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L1[00:09:11] * Amanda
continues popping popcorn in Liizzii's email
client
L2[00:10:33] * Amanda
snuggles up on top of Elfi's roof to hide the hole she
accidentally put in it from the landfairy
L3[00:23:27] <nadja> Amanda: My fediverse is
on fire. And I'm sure you have something to do with that,
although I'm not sure how yet <.<'
L4[00:24:05] <Amanda> nadja: must have
spread from my instance
L5[00:24:35] <Amanda> Mines been smouldering
since September
L6[00:26:02] <Amanda> I'm concerning
making a db backup then just trying a delete of all non-local
users, see if it can pull the history and shit out from that
L7[00:26:12] <Amanda> Considering*
L8[00:26:23] <nadja> Amanda: Mine has
started *really* burning about one and a half weeks ago.
L9[00:34:44] <Amanda> I'm still annoyed
that pleroma is coded in a way where it can't handle multiple
rows but didn't bother to make postgres constraints for
it
L10[00:49:43]

<DiamondCreeper_6> what 1.12.2 mod
increases mob spawn rate? because night time feels barron af!
L11[00:59:48]

<Brisingr
Aerowing> You can use something like InControl to configure mob
spawning.
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<Vaur>
%sip
L15[03:01:48] <MichiBot> You drink a
concentrated octiron potion (New!). After drinking the potion Vaur
notices a label that says "Side effects may include giggle
fits and excessive monologuing."
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L18[04:36:29]

<Mimiru>
Oh, right... THIS is why I hate fucking touching Minecraft!
L19[04:37:00]

<Mimiru>
ProjectRed released for 1.18! Awesome! Except it requires a newer
forge version than I'm running... so I have to update.
L20[04:37:57]

<Mimiru>
Update forge, and then I get a metric ton of mods that are now
throwing errors, likely because of some hugely breaking API change
from Forge, within the same fucking game version
L21[04:38:08]

<Mimiru>
because fuck your players, and your developers.
L22[04:38:58]

<Mimiru>
/rant
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<Mimiru>
Well, fuck it I still can't even load a fucking world
L25[05:05:50]

<Mimiru> so
meh
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<Vaur>
%tonkout
L29[05:14:23] <MichiBot> Jeepers! Vaur!
You beat your own previous record of 6 hours, 34 minutes and 47
seconds (By 11 minutes and 43 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L30[05:14:24] <MichiBot> Vaur has tonked
out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points! plus 0.01
bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.5876465,
Position #1
L31[05:14:34] ⇦
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L35[05:57:08] <Izzy> it is done, I
think
L36[06:23:23]

<Forecaster> %redshell Vaur
L37[06:23:24] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You
hit Vaur! They lost 0.08651807 tonk points which you gain!
Congratulations! Position #3 => #1 (Overtook Vaur)
L38[06:23:30]

<Forecaster> Nice
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L42[07:05:33]

<Saphire>
@getItemFromBlock btw what /is/ the state of the port? Does it
compile, etc?
L43[07:58:25]

<getItemFromBlock> It does not compile, I
am still fixing all of the Lua errors
L44[07:58:26]

<getItemFromBlock> I did not have that
much time to work on the project this week, but next week will be
more productive
L45[07:58:26]

<getItemFromBlock> I hope to have fixed
most of the Lua related errors next week, but then there will be
other problems to solve (such as replacing scorge)
L46[07:59:48]

<getItemFromBlock> Also note that we might
convert the Scala code to Java at some point, depending on the
options we have
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L50[09:56:47]

<Saphire>
Ah, Lua errors? O:
L51[09:57:54]

<getItemFromBlock> I meant Scala
errors
L52[09:58:12]

<getItemFromBlock> My bad
L53[09:58:23]

<Saphire>
Ah x3
L54[10:06:02]

<Saphire>
@getItemFromBlock btw the the screen rendering stuff might be
missing shader selection ^^'
L55[10:08:43]

<getItemFromBlock> I have not looked into
that yet, but maybe it got removed in the 1.16 port ?
L56[10:08:55]

<Saphire>
*shrug!*
L57[10:09:15]

<Saphire> I
copied some code over into a little thing I'm messing around
and had to add that in
L58[10:09:21]

<Saphire>
Maybe I just missed it
L59[10:44:35] *
Amanda meows and looks around for who gave her so many tireds so
suddenly last night
L60[10:47:53]

<getItemFromBlock> Also I had to
remove/remake some stuff because of changes in MC and forge code,
so this might be because of this
L61[11:01:12] *
Amanda replaces all of Izzy's hair ties with cat
headbands
L62[11:01:33] <Izzy> ah, safety cat
ears
L63[11:01:36] <Izzy> very good
L64[11:04:30] <Amanda> Don't worry,
they're definitely not enchanted to turn you into a proper
catenby
L65[11:26:01]

<Forecaster> sus
L66[11:27:39]

<Forecaster> I need a server monitor with
remote video so I don't have to go down to the basement to
check why one of my servers aren't responding anymore
L67[11:27:59] <Amanda> Pikvm?
L68[11:28:56]

<Forecaster> yeah probably
L69[11:32:03]

<Forecaster> but my servers don't
have HDMI, so I'd need a converter as well
L70[11:34:44] <Amanda> Oh right, I almost
forgot
L71[11:35:00] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster
with mutable ruby potion
L72[11:35:01] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable ruby potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster.
@Forecaster turns into a crocodile until they have a nap.
L73[11:36:01] <Izzy> heh, doubt
there's much professional gear with HDMI
L74[11:37:05] <Izzy> one imagines for
servers they kept shipping VGA until RAMDACs got too inconvenient
then swapped over to DP, and workstations would've used DVI in
between
L75[11:54:09]

<Forecaster> mine are VGA
L76[12:30:37] <Amanda> %choose see a cable
about a UPS or play something, work is for weenies
L77[12:30:37] <MichiBot> Amanda: A nearby
lamp replies "Not play something, work is for
weenies!".
L78[12:30:49] <Amanda> fiiiine
L79[12:30:58] <Amanda> I guess first
I'll check my weekly update PRs
L80[12:41:46] <Amanda> %remindme 1h check
ansible PRs
L81[12:41:46] <MichiBot> I'll tell you
"check ansible PRs" in 1h at 10/18/2023 01:41:46 PM
L82[13:41:46] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER:
check ansible PRs
L83[14:30:11] <Amanda> nadja: I can't
seem to read your message in the matrix dm
L84[14:33:33] <Amanda> nadja: still no
luck, "view source" says: ""body":
"** Unable to decrypt: DecryptionError: The sender's
device has not sent us the keys for this message.
**""
L85[14:34:14]

<Forecaster> who needs keys, just
bruteforce it
L86[14:34:39] *
Amanda takes a boltcutter to @Forecaster's door
L87[14:35:03]

<Forecaster> that won't work, my door
doesn't have any bolts
L88[14:35:10] <Amanda> Sure it does, the
hinges
L89[14:37:14]

<Forecaster> there are no hinges, the
hinges are an illusion!
L90[14:40:28] <Amanda> %fling @Forecaster a
spoon
L91[14:40:28] <MichiBot> Amanda is
flinging something at @Forecaster! They have 5 minutes if they
want to attempt to %defend against it!
L92[14:40:52] <MichiBot> Amanda flings a
spoon in a random direction. It hits @Forecaster in their spleen.
They take 1d4 => 3 damage!
L93[14:42:17]

<Forecaster> ow, my spleen! D:
L95[15:29:09]

<Forecaster> @S3 works much better with a
1M resistor it turns out
L96[15:30:40]

<S3> I knew
it
L97[15:31:28]

<Forecaster> the calculation for the coil
doesn't work out though, and I don't see why
L99[15:31:32]

<S3> I mean
I had a 90% certainty
L100[15:31:43]

<S3>
Uh
L101[15:31:52]

<Forecaster> I'm pretty sure
there's no 25V on the multimeter
L102[15:32:13]

<Forecaster> it looks like it's off
by an order of magnitude, but I think the values are right...
L103[15:32:14]

<S3> No you
just need to set it above 25V
L104[15:32:23]

<S3> So
like if there's a 50 or something for example
L105[15:32:30]

<Forecaster> what?
L106[15:32:47]

<S3> I mean
you already know this, it just moves the decimal point that's
all
L107[15:33:01]

<Forecaster> I mean that the multimeter is
measuring 2.2V, but the math shows it should read 25V
L108[15:33:14]

<S3>
Ohh
L109[15:33:31]

<S3> I
thought you meant Theres no 25V seetting on the dial
L110[15:33:45]

<Forecaster> I'm fortunately not
*that* stupid
L111[15:33:54]

<S3> Right
I was confused
L112[15:34:02]

<S3> I was
like there's no way you didn't know that 🙂
L113[15:34:16]

<S3> But I
wasn't going to laugh either
L114[15:34:47]

<Forecaster> I'm using a 25mA led
lightbulb, and a 1M resistor, which is what I've plugged into
the formula from the datasheet, but something's gotta be
wrong
L115[15:34:54] <Amanda> %choose cubes or
continue staring at editor like it kicked your me
L116[15:34:55] <MichiBot> Amanda: If
I've learned anything in life it's that you always pick
"cubes"
L117[15:35:19]

<S3> Are
you also including the voltage drop of the led?
L118[15:35:51]

<Forecaster> I don't know what that
would be
L119[15:36:06]

<Forecaster> could that account for 22
something volts?
L120[15:36:08]

<Forecaster> I have no idea
L121[15:36:46]

<S3> You
can use Kirchoff law of voltage actually. I don't think you
need to worry about it. Your math should be working
L122[15:36:48]

<Forecaster> I guess I could measure the
voltage drop if I really wanted to
L123[15:37:06]

<S3> The
one thing I can think about is if it's actually measuring 22
volts and your decimal point is off
L124[15:37:48]

<S3> Change
that dial to 200 instead of 20 maybe
L125[15:37:59]

<S3> See
what you get then
L126[15:38:14]

<Forecaster> The decimal point is visible
on the display though
L127[15:38:50]

<Forecaster> The only difference between
20 and 200 is the decimal precision
L128[15:39:05]

<S3> Yeah
but if you are measuring > 20 volts and you have it set to 20 it
can cause the meter to show the decimal point in an odd place
L129[15:39:39]

<S3>
Because the voltage measured will be out of the tolerance
zone
L131[15:40:38]

<Forecaster> Pretty sure this meter
doesn't do that
L132[15:41:06]

<Forecaster> If the measurement is off the
scale it shows 0L
L133[15:41:12]

<S3> Cool.
That theory is debunked. Yay
L134[15:41:27]

<S3> Yeah
some do
L135[15:41:39]

<S3> I have
some older meters that do weird things
L137[15:41:59]

<S3> They
like wrap around in the register or something and the decimal does
weird shit on mine
L138[15:42:09]

<S3>
That's nice.
L139[15:42:16]

<S3> I wish
mine was that smart
L140[15:42:31]

<Forecaster> I'd guess it's the
voltage drop then probably
L141[15:43:30]

<S3>
Kirchoff law, if you don't know it by the way is just that all
voltages, and all current entering and leaving any node on your
circuit will always sum to 0
L142[15:44:01]

<S3> So
like, if you know that a voltage or current is in one half of the
circuit you know what it is in the other half
L143[15:44:38]

<Forecaster> I know that the input voltage
is 230V
L144[15:44:43]

<S3>
Example, you have a 10 volt battery and two resistors and one
resistor measures at 4V, that means the other resistor has to be
6.
L145[15:45:15]

<S3> All of
the components in series has to measure to the total voltage across
the circuit
L146[15:45:18]

<Forecaster> ah, you meant the voltage
across the limiting resistor
L147[15:46:03]

<Forecaster> except that's in
paralel
L148[15:46:14]

<S3> The
led has its own resistance too. The current limiting resistor
included. Do you have a schematic drawing of this circuit?
L149[15:46:43]

<S3>
I'm just mentioning this in case you think you have some oddly
unexplained voltage
L150[15:46:47]

<Forecaster> the led bulb is technically
not in the circuit though
L151[15:47:10]

<Forecaster> it's in the primary
circuit that goes through the coil (ie what is being
measured)
L152[15:47:37]

<Forecaster> the coil circuit only has the
limiting resistor and the rectifier and the meter
L153[15:48:14]

<Forecaster> I'll draw it, hold
on
L154[15:48:43]

<S3> You
don't have to, I was just thinking I'm throwing ideas
that area probably not helping
L156[15:49:04]

<Mimiru> A
rectifier you say?
L157[15:49:56]

<S3> I have
this in brain idea of what your circuit looks like because
it's simple, but that's not always helpful
L158[15:51:30]

<S3> Either
way I definitely apologize that I'm probably doing the
opposite of helping, doesn't matter that I went to school for
EE & CE lol. That was a long time ago.
L159[15:53:05]

<S3> A full
bridge rectifier!!!
L161[15:56:32]

<Forecaster> here it is, in all it's
paint glory
L162[15:57:16]

<Forecaster> considering I have done none
of that you're leagues ahead of me 😛
L163[15:57:56]

<Forecaster> and you definitely helped
when you said to try a bigger resitor, it got me the result I
wanted
L164[15:58:14]

<Forecaster> all that's left is to
hook it up to the pi and see it if catches fire or not
L165[15:59:29]

<S3>
That's actually a way better drawing than expected. I
couldn't make straight lines like that ahahaha
L166[15:59:54]

<Mimiru>
paint has a line tool :P
L167[16:00:17]

<S3>
Where's your current limiting resistor in this
L168[16:00:30]

<Mimiru>
above the rectifier, below the coil
L169[16:00:38]

<S3> Yeah
but I get sidetracked trying to make the lines straight
L170[16:00:39]

<Forecaster> oh, yeah, I forgot to label
it
L171[16:01:24]

<S3> Well
that's just a sampling resistor for a test point
L173[16:01:59]

<Mimiru>
looking at the previous breadboard circuits, that's the only
resistor
L174[16:02:04]

<Forecaster> yes
L175[16:02:13]

<S3> It
doesn't really do any current limiting it's just
providing a potential difference.
L176[16:02:17]

<Forecaster> the test point is the output
of the rectifier
L177[16:02:43]

<S3>
Interesting
L178[16:03:32]

<Forecaster> the multimeter has it's
own limiting resistance
L179[16:08:01]

<Forecaster> the most fun part of this is
once everything is working I have to put it together in some way
that it all fits inside a light switch socket with some room left
over (for the normal wiring)
L180[16:08:26]

<Forecaster> this is mainly why I got an
IC rectifier, because I could have easily made one, but it would
have been bigger
L181[16:17:57]

<S3> Yeah I
don't know what's popular now but a lot of times
it's 1M ohm
L182[16:18:13]

<S3> I
think my is ilioscope is the same
L183[16:30:56] <Amanda> %choose lunch
time?
L184[16:30:56] <MichiBot> Amanda: After
all, why shouldn't you "lunch time"?
L185[16:31:08] <Amanda> Because it's
effort, and I'm le lazy
L186[16:31:10] <Amanda> but okay.
L187[16:32:36]

<Forecaster> I had a pizza for
lunch/dinner because I felt lazy
L188[16:32:46]

<Forecaster> and also because pizza
tasty
L189[16:33:47] <Amanda> I'm heating
some frozen hashbrown patties
L190[16:35:10]

<Forecaster> #brown patties!
L191[16:36:08] <Amanda> not
scunthropebrown, hashbrown
L192[16:36:59]

<S3> I had
sushi
L193[16:37:12]

<S3> I get
it almost every day because it's cheap here
L194[16:37:20]

<S3> At
least every day I don't bring a lunch
L195[16:40:47] <Liizzii> > <Izzy>
heh, doubt there's much professional gear with HDMI
L196[16:41:06] <Liizzii> from what
I've seen from the few new servers we have at work, DP won out
i think
L197[16:41:13] <Liizzii> though VGA is
still somewhat standard
L198[16:43:30] <Amanda> Maine, which
hasn't yet evolved sexual dimorphism, has sushi?
L199[16:43:49] <Amanda> interesting
L200[16:44:28]

<Vaur>
%tonk
L201[16:44:30] <MichiBot> Hooray! Vaur!
You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 11 hours, 30 minutes
and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L202[16:44:31] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 11 hours, 30 minutes and 6 seconds! No points gained for
stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.0115)
L203[16:48:03] <Liizzii> granted my
experience with "new" (newer than5-ish years or so) is
limited cause my workplace doesn't have the budget to go and
swap all our servers out if we don't need to
L204[17:29:36] *
stephan48 hands Liizzii an Axe
L205[17:29:38] ⇦
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L206[17:29:43] <stephan48> well good luck
in forcing them?
L207[17:31:10]

<Forecaster> I don't think an axe is
going to increase the budget by much
L208[17:37:21] <Liizzii> I'd rather
get a pay rise than buy new servers we're not really hurting
for right now :P
L209[17:38:43] <Liizzii> soon will be
getting one tho, just waiting on HR to move their slow butts
L210[18:02:56] *
Amanda gives Liizzii a box of matches
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<Vaur>
%sip
L213[18:29:28] <MichiBot> You drink a
porous strawberry potion (New!). Tonk moved back 4 hours. (Rem.
uses: 0)
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())
L215[18:52:36] <Amanda> Well, for
absolutely no raisen I have updated my oc2 zig fuckery to zig
0.11
L216[18:59:37]

<S3>
@Forecaster make me stop
L217[18:59:52]

<Forecaster> ?
L219[19:00:11]

<S3> I was
testing some things
L220[19:00:19]

<Forecaster> That's the website I
use
L221[19:00:23]

<S3> So
like
L222[19:00:28]

<S3>
falstad is great for ideal circuits
L223[19:00:46]

<S3> I
really like every circuit but I wish it had a more friendly
UI
L224[19:00:50]

<S3> you
can't type in values
L225[19:01:08]

<S3> By the
way, that transformer is actually a current controlled voltage
source.
L227[19:01:41]

<S3> I just
punched in your equation on your data sheet
L228[19:01:57]

<Forecaster> Huh
L229[19:02:22]

<S3> I
didn't think about the fact though that that resistor value
gives you like a 1.6 kV jump
L230[19:02:32]

<S3> Oh
wait
L231[19:02:39]

<S3> its
because I have a 75Ohm load on the AC line XD
L232[19:02:44]

<S3> No
wonder
L233[19:04:33]

<S3>
I'm so used to adding a 75Ohm resistor there for line
impedence
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L235[19:18:19]

<Forecaster> seems to be a pretty good
approximation of the current circuit
L237[19:22:50]

<S3> Wait
why is the LED on the other side of the rectifier?
L238[19:23:34]

<Forecaster> it's where the voltmeter
would be
L239[19:24:56]

<S3> This
is kindof what I did
L241[19:25:08]

<S3> the
550 was a calculation of an average LED light bulb in a house
L242[19:25:17]

<S3> so
that's assuming a 550Ohm AC load
L243[19:25:50]

<S3> then,
a voltage divider brings the transformer down to a reasonable
voltage
L244[19:25:55]

<Forecaster> with just a probe instead of
the led I get 230V at the output instead
L245[19:25:56]

<S3> those
need to be a high resistance by the way
L246[19:26:10]

<Forecaster> which tells me all the
resistances are wrong
L247[19:26:26]

<S3>
uh
L248[19:26:41]

<S3>
You're US right?
L249[19:27:02]

<S3>
We're working with 110-130 120V @ 60Hz?
L250[19:27:18]

<Forecaster> no
L251[19:27:23]

<S3> Oh
fun
L252[19:27:25] <Amanda> They're
actually martian
L253[19:27:27]

<Forecaster> it's 230V
L254[19:27:29]

<S3>
LOL
L255[19:27:46] <Amanda> A martian gator to
be specific
L256[19:27:54]

<S3> ok, so
it's also probably 50Hz
L257[19:28:11]

<Forecaster> yes
L258[19:28:43]

<S3> The
LEDs are probably also a different internal resistance too
L259[19:29:11]

<S3> maybe
more like 1k
L260[19:31:38]

<S3> You
don't need an op amp, but it's a super useful way to near
100% isolate curcuits. That's why there's an op amp with
a feedback direct to the inverting input
L261[19:31:43]

<S3> it
just puts out whatever voltage comes in
L262[19:32:06]

<S3> but
the point is to bring it down to like 2.5 or so volts
L263[19:32:12]

<S3> (the
voltage divider)
L264[19:32:39] <Liizzii> what program is
it that you guys are using for those circuit diagrams? it looks
similar to one I used in school a long time ago if the little dots
on the paths animate and i haven't been able to find it
since
L266[19:33:25] <Liizzii> ooh it's a
website, nice
L267[19:33:32] <Liizzii> think the one i
used was logic-something
L268[19:33:39] <Liizzii> but again, this
was 10+ years ago
L269[19:34:06]

<S3>
It's pretty good for quick things. It's only great for
ideal testing though. It doesn't do any temperature based
deviation or anything.
L270[19:34:15]

<S3>
Probably logicsim?
L271[19:34:36] <Liizzii> sounds like
it
L272[19:34:41]

<S3> You
might like this site:
L274[19:34:51]

<S3> This
site is great, except it makes my laptop heat up
L275[19:34:54]

<Forecaster> I used it when I figured out
my dc current reversing circuit
L276[19:35:22]

<Forecaster> it's very good for
quickly experimenting with simple circuits
L277[19:35:31]

<Forecaster> this more complex stuff is a
bit beyond me
L278[19:35:43]

<S3>
circuits get really whack in the real world
L279[19:35:56]

<S3> You
can plan out a circuit to peform a certain way all day and still
have it come out weird
L280[19:36:26]

<S3>
Sometimes, you will think you did everything right, and then while
testing, you'll be questioning how the hell you are somehow
reading a sourcing current on ground, and going, wtf?!
L282[19:38:24]

<S3> You
basically invented an expensive hbridge
L284[19:39:06]

<S3> Used
with moptor controls to control direction of motors on robots and
stuff we made in high school
L285[19:39:20]

<Forecaster> that's what it was
called yeah
L286[19:39:37]

<Forecaster> how'd you make this
cheaper than with two transistors?
L287[19:39:53]

<S3> manual
switches that we pulled out of a grab bag box
L288[19:39:54]

<S3> so I
mean
L289[19:39:56]

<S3> not
really cheaper
L290[19:40:08]

<S3> we
just flipped them by hand XD
L291[19:40:24]

<Forecaster> right, well that doesn't
fit my application 😛
L292[19:41:08]

<S3> We
also used these
L294[19:41:21]

<Forecaster> This is for switching a
bi-stable relay (the one that controls the mains circuit in the
same system where the current measurement circuit is going)
L295[19:41:28]

<S3> you
just send an 8 bit number to the parallel port ona computer and it
would turn on/off those motors
L296[19:41:42]

<S3> if you
wanted a computer on a robot that is
L297[19:41:48]

<S3> we
would duct tape laptops to them
L298[19:41:49]

<Forecaster> that would not fit in a light
switch socket unfortunatley
L299[19:41:52]

<S3>
haha
L300[19:41:58]

<Forecaster> nor would the laptop
L301[19:42:09]

<S3> These
were like, hacky robots the size of your laptop or so but taller
with wheels
L302[19:42:18]

<Forecaster> I've seen those
L303[19:42:21]

<S3> Ran on
QBASIC
L304[19:42:38]

<Forecaster> not in person, never made one
either obviously
L305[19:42:45]

<S3> we
built them out of things like plastic electrical boxes taped
together or pieces of metal we found
L306[19:42:57]

<S3> It was
pretty crude looking
L307[19:43:09]

<Forecaster> I wish I got to do that when
I was younger
L308[19:43:24]

<Forecaster> now I could do that, but I
don't have time
L309[19:43:32]

<S3> Time
is everything 😄
L310[19:43:49]

<Forecaster> though I do get to work with
industrial robots instead, so I guess I kinda got there in the
end
L311[19:44:33]

<S3> My
wife threw a milk out of my nose curve ball the other day when she
randomly asked, "If we had kids what would you like to
accomplish first?"
L312[19:45:26]

<Forecaster> ah yes, the ambition ender
milestone
L313[19:45:45]

<S3> They
were waiting for an answer and it was like, uh oh
L314[19:47:09]

<S3> Maybe
I should buy a CT transformer and play with it. It could be useful
for my own purposes A friend of mine may want to run servers in a
rack on my fiber connection, so I need away of logging power usage
and for costs.
L315[19:47:31]

<Forecaster> also, it should tell you
something about my competency with this stuff with the fact that it
took some effort to figure out the construction of an h-bridge,
given how they're actually fairly simple
L316[19:48:01]

<S3>
Honestly it looks easier on a picture like above than it gets when
you're actually doing it. It's easy to get
confused.
L317[19:48:20]

<S3> In our
robotics courses we had many of us often accidently wired something
backwards
L318[19:48:28]

<Forecaster> well I found diagrams of
them
L319[19:48:29]

<S3> ended
up with either magic smoke or it only moving one direction,
etc
L320[19:48:57]

<Forecaster> but it took a certain amount
of fiddling with it in falstad to figure out how the transistors
went together for it to work the way I wanted
L321[19:49:49]

<Forecaster> I specifically needed two
distinct inputs (outputs on the pi) to control each direction
L322[19:49:57]

<Forecaster> and a single output
L323[19:51:00]

<Forecaster> also, one of the few things I
dislike about falstad is how some components only go in certain
orientations
L324[19:51:25]

<Forecaster> which is why the transistors
are placed in such a weird way in the polarity switcher
L325[19:54:54]

<Forecaster> I should take apart one of my
light switches and measure the hole before I'm ready to start
assembling the first circuit
L326[19:56:35]

<S3>
Falstad also does weird things from time to time. I think that
perhaps it has a problem determining superpositions to measure from
and it freaks out. I never thoroughly tested them and I'm sure
the developer is aware and maybe even be a limitation
L327[19:57:02]

<Forecaster> I haven't done anything
complex enough to encounter that
L328[20:00:12]

<S3> So
earlier when I was drawing that circuit I had an op amp enter a
werird state where it was saturating into a square wave and it was
bleeding current from the voltage divider, which, op amps have
ideally infinite input resistance, though that's not really
actually true
L329[20:00:37]

<S3> The
solution was to replace the op amp and the load resistor. Just
odd
L330[20:05:33]

<Forecaster> Also, I need to find a bigger
led bulb and plug it into the circuit
L331[20:05:56]

<Forecaster> dial in the resistance to try
to get it to not exceed 3V while still being detectable
hopefully
L332[20:20:27] <Amanda> %choose
laptopnaptime?
L333[20:20:28] <MichiBot> Amanda:
I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that.
L334[20:20:40] <Amanda>
Laptopnaptime.
L335[21:06:53] <Amanda> %give MichiBot a
dream of pair 'a dice
L336[21:06:54] *
MichiBot accepts the dream of pair 'a dice and adds it to her
inventory
L337[21:11:26] <Liizzii> bah, wanna fast
forward to next wednesday so i can watch the next episode of
eminence in shadow
L338[21:11:42] <Izzy> same but nov
10
L339[21:11:54] <Izzy> for the next season
of For All Mankind
L340[21:14:08]

<Kristopher38> Izzy: I watched first few
episodes and disliked the focus on politics and very infantile way
of some decisionmaking presented there
L341[21:14:58]

<Kristopher38> I think I lost it at
"the president said that the ||first american woman on the
moon must be pretty||"
L342[21:15:04] <Izzy> I dislike the amount
of Interpersonal Bullshit that goes on
L343[21:15:12] <Izzy> but there's
only so much hard sci-fi out there
L344[21:15:51]

<Kristopher38> do you recommend any
L345[21:17:27] <Izzy> The Expanse is
excellent, especially the books. Moonlight Mile is neat, though
hard to find a copy of. Planetes is an easy recommend. Avatar (blue
people) is surprisingly hard sci-fi, but mostly in the
worldbuilding. Stowaway was neat too.
L346[21:18:44]

<Kristopher38> will check those out
L347[21:19:55] <Izzy> Tsuki to Laika to
Nosferatu gets an honorable mention too; I'm not sure I'd
say it's good, but it's charming and definitely hard
sci-fi.
L348[21:21:53]

<Kristopher38> careful, you'll wake
up sam
L349[21:23:22] <Izzy> oh! Rocket Girls,
too
L350[21:24:02] <Liizzii> do the rocket
girls kiss?
L351[21:24:13] <Izzy> no, as they are
related
L352[21:24:20] <Liizzii> aww
L353[21:25:59] <Amanda> Now I'm
reminded of that one magical girl anime where the secret to magic
is Yuri bait
L354[21:26:11] <Amanda> ( kisses on the
cheek / forehead )
L355[21:26:38] <Amanda> (though, sending
that, a lot of MG anime is Yuri bait)
L356[21:26:51] <Izzy> aight Gandi is gonna
kick me out, who should I pay to host my email?
L357[21:28:21] <Liizzii> I'd like to
say i'm a good email host. though my email setup isn't in
a state of being able to have not-me using it right now
L358[21:29:08]

<Mimiru>
Depending on what you need I might be able to help
L359[21:29:42] <Amanda> If you give me
scritchies I'll secretly just host your email with
Google
L360[21:29:50] <Liizzii> ah yes
L361[21:29:56] <Liizzii> Izzy hosting
their email with google
L362[21:30:06] <Liizzii> they'll love
that :D
L363[21:30:27]

<Mimiru>
lol
L364[21:31:25] <Amanda> I made this state
of the art web ui, it's available at Gmail
L365[21:31:25] <Amanda> Com!
L366[21:31:44]

<S3>
I've been hosting my email from ramnode for about 5 years or
so now
L367[21:31:51]

<S3> Before
that it was ovj
L368[21:32:00]

<S3>
Ovh*
L369[21:32:15] <Liizzii> been self-hosting
mine for some time, at least the last 5 years
L370[21:32:40]

<Mimiru> I
have a SMTP relay on OVH, since my ISP blocks port 25
*grumble*
L371[21:33:03]

<Mimiru>
But email is hosted in a machine I can go down stairs and slap if
it gets too bad. lol
L372[21:33:09] <Izzy> I only have two
mailboxes but I kinda just don't want to think about it
L373[21:33:16] <Izzy> it's a pain in
the ass
L374[21:33:26] <Liizzii> i don't have
to think about mine too much
L375[21:33:38]

<Forecaster> I let my registrar host my
email that I barely use
L376[21:33:49] <Liizzii> other than
monitoring for the occasional spam bot and just drop it's IP
in the raw table
L377[21:33:52]

<Forecaster> it's very convenient
because I don't have to think about it at all
L378[21:33:59] <Izzy> Forecaster:
that's what I was doing
L379[21:34:02] <Liizzii> though after
blocking most of china, email spam is less
L380[21:34:04]

<Forecaster> I quickly gave up on
self-hosting because it was a huge pain
L381[21:34:05] <Izzy> but now gandi wants
me to pay separately
L382[21:34:19]

<S3>
I'm working towards using a dynamic mail alias table, so that
I can match a prefix or something when I send emails s
authenticated, allowing me to make up email addresses for signing
up to things that alias back to the real account
L383[21:34:24]

<Mimiru> I
do hate email hosting... lol
L384[21:34:41] <Izzy> they want like
$70/year to store 100K of data or so
L385[21:34:49]

<Mimiru> I
have a catchall address that just forwards back to my main account
lol
L386[21:35:04]

<Forecaster> I'm paying for domains +
mail hosting
L387[21:35:07] <Liizzii> hmm, actually i
lie
L388[21:35:18] <Liizzii> it's really
easy for me to add new domains and such to my postfix config
L389[21:35:19]

<Mimiru> So
if you send to fuckyou@pc-logix.com it is forwarded to me (and then
again to my gmail lol)
L390[21:35:37]

<Forecaster> I think I get like 5 actual
mailboxes plus like 100 alias adresses
L391[21:35:38]

<S3> That
way if I want to stop subscribing to a service that doesn't
let me unsubscribe (fuck you new York times) then I can just remove
the alias my smtpd made when I signed up.
L392[21:35:42] <Izzy> which registrar are
you with Forecaster?
L393[21:35:58]

<Forecaster> Loopia, it's a europeian
one
L394[21:36:22]

<S3> I use
name cheap but that is p probably us based I never checked
L395[21:36:42]

<Forecaster> actually it's unlimited
aliases
L396[21:36:59]

<Forecaster> 25 GB of email space
L397[21:37:24]

<S3>
That's a ton
L398[21:37:32] <Izzy> impressively, their
separate email costs more than gandi's
L399[21:38:26]

<S3> I
block html and stuff like that so they biggest space abusers for me
are attachments
L400[21:38:43] <Liizzii> Izzy, I can offer
you basic "it just works" email + imap access, no storage
quotas and Proxmox Mail Gateway doing anti-spam for $0 (cause
i'm already hosting it for myself, so adding another
user/domain wont hurt, especially with how much fail2ban spams my
sysadmin address)
L401[21:39:18] <Izzy> Liizzii: if I
don't find a reasonably priced alternative I might take you up
on that
L402[21:39:19]

<S3> The
spam filter just filters the html tags out on receive so I
don't have to do it from the client
L403[21:39:20] <Michiyo> I can offer the
same, without PMG for anti-spam
L404[21:39:44] <Izzy> (trying to avoid
mixing """business""" and friends if
I can though, y'know?)
L405[21:40:16] <Izzy> after all, I need
this mailbox to know when people have discarded my job
applications
L406[21:40:27]

<Forecaster> I pay about $67 a year I
think
L407[21:41:57]

<Forecaster> which I consider reasonable
with how well it works and their simple but decent web interface
both for managing stuff and their email client
L408[21:43:11] <Liizzii> I can also offer
webmail. though i should probably update it and you'd probably
be better with a normal desktop client anyway
L409[21:43:32] <Izzy> I just use
thunderbird \o/
L410[21:43:37] <Liizzii> same
L411[21:43:48] <Liizzii> i just have the
webmail for when i'm not with my laptop
L412[21:43:53] <Izzy> speaking of, the
interface went weird for like two days
L413[21:44:05] <Izzy> all the tab titles
were black and unreadable on the dark grey background
L414[21:44:08]

<Forecaster> I mainly use a phone
app
L415[21:44:12] <Izzy> but now they're
back to respecting my theme colours
L416[21:44:23] *
Amanda replaces all of Liizzii's emails with pictures of toe
beans
L417[21:44:28] <Izzy> oh, nope, never
mind, it's broken when focused
L418[21:44:35] <Liizzii> or the internet
is being extra spicy and more people are trying to break into my
ssh daemons and fail2ban is banning them
L419[21:44:59]

<Forecaster> I used to use thunderbird
many years ago, but I started hating it when it kept breaking my
plugins constantly during a period and just stopped using it
L420[21:45:27] <Liizzii> Amanda,
that's at least 33k beans just going by the unread emails from
fail2ban alone
L421[21:46:11] <Liizzii> that reminds me,
i'ma go turn off port forwarding to ssh on my home server
cause i don't need it
L422[21:46:39]

<Forecaster> but what if you suddenly
do?!
L423[21:46:53]

<Forecaster> I always have it on, but I
use a non-standard port for it
L424[21:47:02] <Liizzii> i can just go in
via my dedi
L425[21:47:17]

<Forecaster> but that's
cheating
L426[21:51:30]

<Forecaster> all my servers are home
servers
L427[21:51:57] <Michiyo> I have a $7/m OVH
VPS, but everything else is racked downstairs.
L428[21:53:01]

<Forecaster> $7 per minute sounds
expensive
L429[21:53:12] <Michiyo> Eh, you do what
you can ya know.
L430[21:53:36]

<Forecaster> but if it's $7 per mile
thats reasonable
L431[21:53:58] <Izzy> $7 per mole
L432[21:54:56]

<Forecaster> counting the atoms in a
server to calculate the price sounds hard
L433[22:25:10]

<S3> I
think I pay $3/mo for my VPS that runs my email and DNS
L434[22:34:24]

<Forecaster> I have no VPS...es...
L435[22:37:27] <ThePiGuy24> VPS when RPC
(real public client) walks in
L436[22:50:09]

<ComputerCoco> 2 Questions
L438[22:50:09]

<ComputerCoco> 2)
https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/OpenComputers
What is this? Is this a try at OC 1.19? I can't tell what
version of MC its for. I tried loading it in forge 1.19.2 and my
computer basically froze on the "Joining world" screen,
dispite making it to main menu... Hmmm
L439[22:58:59]

<ComputerCoco> Well I got the game to
load, turns out its not a 1.19.2 mod, then did the thing I
should've done first which is check the mcinfo file, which
says its for a forge version thats for minecraft 1.7
L440[22:59:00]

<ComputerCoco> So it doesn't seem its
for a newer version
L441[23:02:18]

<Mimiru>
It's a fork that someone has made to update the mod, and
it's not done... just like every other fork folks have made to
try to update to newer MC versions.
L442[23:02:43]

<ComputerCoco> Yea fair
L443[23:03:12]

<ComputerCoco> I tried myself once
xD
L444[23:08:41] <Izzy> GTNH suggests
1.7.10
L445[23:11:00] <Izzy> can I get a
"fuck neural networks"? "Tensor Processing
Units" have made it very difficult to look up info on the DEC
Text Processing Utility
L447[23:23:58]

<Mimiru>
Wait... I can't use my powered off computer for this?
shit.
L448[23:29:24] ⇦
Quits: Vexatos
(~Vexatos@p200300eaef046b006e826ca4df2face2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
(Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L449[23:30:13] <Izzy> OC wins again (you
can copy EEPROMs without power)
L450[23:38:47] <Liizzii> hmm, so openssh
sends the `OpenSSH <version>` string when it connects, which
you could theoretically use to have some form of TCP
loadbalancer/reverse proxy to allow multiple protocols (e.g. SSH,
HTTPS, probably some others). I wonder if you could get OpenSSH to
send the hostname it wants to connect to in with or before the
version string and then
L451[23:38:47] <Liizzii> have said
loadbalancer/reverse proxy use that to direct the ssh session to
some other destination than a theoretical default.
L452[23:38:55] <Liizzii> could be
interesting to do
L453[23:39:15] <Liizzii> though you could
also just as easily use jump hosts i guess...
L454[23:40:30] <Liizzii> was thinking that
it could be used for stuff like gitlab/gitea, to be able to have
multiple ssh servers "listening" on port 22 of some
public ip
L455[23:40:53] <Liizzii> though the setup
of getting that to work in the first place could just be spent on
using a jump host
L456[23:40:55] <Izzy> there's an
nginx module to do ssh on HTTPS ports
L457[23:41:06] <Izzy> and there's
software to direct your ssh connection based on username
L458[23:41:39] <Amanda> And with some
cursed zenscript you can even transcribe it from a written book
into the eeproms
L459[23:41:42] <Liizzii> oh? i thought the
ssh protocol set up the secure connection before it would send any
credential data
L460[23:43:58] <Liizzii> hmm, i wonder if
any of the bots that try to break into ssh stuff would also try ssh
on https ports... might be an interesting way to have ssh
"listen" on a well-known (and loosely blocked) port and
not have it open on the port bots commonly attacked
L461[23:49:05] *
Liizzii makes a note to research that later, for now it's bed
time