L3[03:27:08] <Izzy> wrote a proper description of the rtfs format https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-misc/src/branch/master/rtfs/README.md

L4[03:28:02] <Izzy> ... gitea does not do symlinks

L5[03:28:05] <Izzy> cool

L6[03:28:11] <Izzy> https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-misc/src/branch/master/rtfs

L7[03:50:04] <microco​in_1397> >Forecaster:

L8[03:50:04] <microco​in_1397> o_0

L9[04:06:54] <ThePi​Guy24> >ThePiGuy24: if i had a 3d printer then id make a custom bottom plate for the keyboard, bu…

L10[04:06:54] <ThePi​Guy24> well the update on this is that i painstakingly cut a hole in the keyboard case with a boxcutter and secured the oled in after soldering some wire stolen from an old IDE cable to it, only for the iron to break before i could finish the job and solder those to the board. so i popped round to a friends house who let me borrow theirs for a short moment, after which i finally got it working again, until i somehow damaged the ribbon cable o

L11[04:06:55] <ThePi​Guy24> display and now it no longer works again and i cant replace it with a new one due to no soldering iron. fun

L12[04:08:20] <ThePiGuy24> and it seems corded munted that message a little, just ate some characters as it split it into two

L13[04:08:47] <ThePiGuy24> but it vaguely works gramatically ;p

L14[04:33:44] <et​afu> does anyone know if theres any way to make computronics speakers sound less crappy?

L15[04:59:14] <Izzy> speakers? as in, for use with tape drives?

L16[05:13:40] <Ocawes​ome101> %tonk

L17[05:13:42] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Ocawesome101, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 7 hours, 22 minutes and 46 seconds this time. 5 hours, 56 minutes and 35 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 26 minutes and 10 seconds!

L18[05:13:45] <Ocawes​ome101> %sip

L19[05:13:46] <MichiBot> You drink a fluffy röd potion (New!). Ocawesome101: Nothing seemed to happen...

L20[05:38:55] <theoth​erhive> hi so for my 1.18 port, i keep running into issues with scala

L21[05:39:13] <theoth​erhive> is there any technical reason scala was chosen, because i'm considering a re-write in java or kotlin at this point

L22[05:40:07] <theoth​erhive> ( this is for opencomputers )

L23[05:41:44] <Izzy> it was p much because sangar wanted to learn scala, IIRC

L24[05:45:39] <theoth​erhive> ah

L25[05:47:49] <theoth​erhive> ideally i want this port to be as compatible with the original as possible so there's a chance it could be upstreamed but

L26[05:48:00] <theoth​erhive> working with scala is such a pain that i'm not sure that it's worth it

L29[06:52:51] <Forec​aster> %sip

L30[06:52:52] <MichiBot> You drink a dull green potion (New!). Forecaster is suddenly wearing a tiny glove on each finger.

L36[10:19:54] <Liizzii> > Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:

L37[10:19:55] <Liizzii> > libmagickwand-6.q16-6 libmagickcore-6.q16-6 imagemagick-6-common

L38[10:19:57] <Liizzii> > Learn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://ubuntu.com/pro

L40[10:20:14] <Liizzii> wish ubuntu would fuck off with that crap

L42[10:22:01] <Liizzii> I want something that has fairly up-to-date packages

L43[10:22:36] <Izzy> soon: linux mint server edition

L44[10:22:37] <Liizzii> I would use Arch as a base for my containers if there wasn't the risk that if I don't update it regually I might end up fucking something up

L45[10:22:58] <Izzy> shout-out to linux mint for un-fucking ubuntu

L46[10:24:05] <Liizzii> I don't think i have the data anymore because it was old and i needed it's drive for something else, but before I started running Arch fulltime in ~2016 (i think), I ran linux mint

L47[10:25:41] <Liizzii> hmm, for whatever reason firefox has decided that it wont load/render LM's website, oh well

L48[10:26:16] <Izzy> I've ended up administering a bunch of machines for family

L49[10:26:21] <Izzy> and using them myself, even

L50[10:26:25] <Izzy> LM has been pleasant

L51[10:26:34] <Liizzii> LM would be my go-to suggestion for a starter linux distro if people asked me about it

L52[10:26:52] <Izzy> I've got a whole bunch of ansible stuff set up to install all the software and set up users and stuff

L53[10:26:54] <Izzy> very comfy

L54[10:28:51] <Liizzii> at some point when i used it briefly, i did consider suggesting for the more tinker-y of people i know to use Manjaro, but i think I ditched it after like a month or so of using it because I just kept running into random issues with it

L55[10:29:11] <Liizzii> and given manjaro's track record of breaking stuff, that was probably a good bed

L56[10:30:14] <Liizzii> hmm, my nextcloud instance' office suite thing is still broken.... that's a problem for later me to fix

L57[10:31:00] <Izzy> being downstream from arch is asking for pain

L58[10:31:07] <Liizzii> > <Izzy> soon: linux mint server edition

L59[10:31:15] <Izzy> even Valve aren't downstream so much as parallel with SteamOS

L60[10:31:19] <Liizzii> is that an actual thing or just wishful thinking?

L61[10:31:27] <Izzy> unfortunately, not as far as I'm aware

L62[10:31:32] <Liizzii> aww

L63[10:32:20] <Liizzii> I did consider NixOS for my containers and stuff cause then I could store all the configs in git and stuff, but I don't have the spoons to learn nix's ecosystem

L64[10:33:06] <Izzy> debian is my happy medium, but I do occasionally wish I had easy access to more recent software

L65[10:33:22] <stephan48> i think Amanda can tell you great spoon draining stories about NixOS...

L66[10:33:29] <Izzy> like, current transmission-daemon has support for renaming files via the API, but not the version in debian 10

L67[10:33:43] <stephan48> debian 10 is oldoldstable :P

L68[10:33:59] <stephan48> so 4 years old at this point

L69[10:33:59] <Izzy> it is! but I've been 100+km from my server since 12 came out

L70[10:34:09] <Liizzii> > <stephan48> i think Amanda can tell you great spoon draining stories about NixOS...

L71[10:34:11] <stephan48> and since 11 came out too? :P

L72[10:34:25] <Izzy> I don't fuck with the virt host if I don't need to

L73[10:34:33] <Liizzii> yeah, that along with my own failed experience of setting it up drove me away from it

L74[10:35:28] <Liizzii> granted my setup was probably about as complicated as you could get from the start.... Root on ZFS, Nvidia Optimus graphics stuff, wanting to use the external outputs that are on the nvidia gpu

L75[10:43:02] <Liizzii> oh fun, looks like the arch repos are gearing up for KDE/Plasma 6, getting a whole load of `replace <kdepkg> with extra/<hdepkg>5?`

L76[10:51:54] <Amanda> @Liizzii I had several mostly uncomplicated setups and it was still breaking almost weekly

L77[10:52:23] <Liizzii> I remember you saying, which is why I just gave up on it

L78[10:52:23] <Amanda> There's simultaneously too much and not enough screening of PRs

L79[10:53:01] <Amanda> Stuff gets improperly deprecated 0 changed, sometimes stuff gets committed that doesn't even compile

L80[10:53:28] <Amanda> And at the same time I've got several year old PRs just gathering dust

L81[10:54:21] <Amanda> Samba needs a PR to it's nixos module to work reliably, I made that pr in like 2020

L82[10:55:49] <Amanda> Without the pr, it will only listen on ipv4 link-local addresses because on boot it's coming up before the network

L83[10:55:51] <Liizzii> do the various nixos channel things not protect against that? Or am i thinking that they're like ubuntu's releases in that only bugfixes / security patches are supposed to be backported?

L84[10:56:45] <Amanda> Granted, I was on unstable, and can't speak for the release channels, but everyone in the nixos matrix insistes that unstable is just rolling release

L85[10:57:37] <Liizzii> those people probably also think that rolling release = no testing just put it out

L86[10:57:37] <Amanda> It's supposed to get fixed before it's even committed to main, and yet it's constantly breaking shit

L87[10:58:21] <Liizzii> urghh, why the fuck is perl still a thing?

L88[10:58:56] <Amanda> Because it's great for turning ink blots into valid programs, clearly

L89[10:59:17] <Liizzii> hmm, ok seems plasma still needs it

L90[11:00:31] <Liizzii> wonder if i can just remove perl from my $PATH

L91[11:01:14] <Liizzii> cause trying to tab complete `cd venv` at times says "oh, do you want to go into vendor_perl?" which is really fucking annoying

L92[11:06:03] <Liizzii> hmm, what would happen if i removed perl from being added to the path....

L93[11:06:05] <Liizzii> lets find out

L94[11:08:43] <Liizzii> seems nothing has broken yet

L95[11:44:17] <Izzy> from fedi: "PHP is a minor evil perpetrated and created by incompetent amateurs, whereas Perl is a great and insidious evil perpetrated by skilled but perverted professionals."

L96[11:45:12] <stephan48> i take offense to the latter.

L97[11:45:33] <stephan48> i am no professional!

L98[12:42:24] <Amanda> I'm le tired, why am I le tired

L99[12:42:38] <Amanda> I blame @Inari, she must have sent this cold at me

L100[12:42:58] <Amanda> my parents come back from europe, and suddenly I have a cold? Coincidence, I think now

L101[12:43:01] <Amanda> s/now/not/

L102[12:43:01] <MichiBot> <Amanda> my parents come back from europe, and suddenly I have a cold? Coincidence, I think not

L103[13:02:01] <Amanda> PHP was originally written in perl, wasn't it?

L104[13:19:15] <Ocawes​ome101> %tonk

L105[13:19:17] <MichiBot> Zoinks! Ocawes​ome101! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 7 hours, 22 minutes and 46 seconds (By 42 minutes and 48 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L106[13:19:18] <MichiBot> Ocawesome101's new record is 8 hours, 5 minutes and 35 seconds! Ocawesome101 also gained 0.00568 (0.00071 x 8) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook Forecaster)

L113[15:03:46] <Forec​aster> PHP wasn't written in PHP?

L120[17:08:09] <Forec​aster> %sip

L121[17:08:11] <MichiBot> You drink an excluded lime potion (New!). Forecaster is suddenly more aware of cute things nearby until they say the word "Nyan".

L122[17:08:48] <Forec​aster> good thing there are no cute things here

L123[17:08:54] <Forec​aster> otherwise it'd be distracting

L124[17:30:50] <Amanda> Rude.

L125[17:31:19] <Forec​aster> it doesn't say anything about people

L131[18:08:47] <Phonik> добрій вечер

L132[18:08:59] <Phonik> тут кто-то есть?

L136[19:03:17] <Va​ur> %sip

L137[19:03:18] <MichiBot> You drink a salty rød potion (New!). Vaur's hair grows 4 times longer until they find a broken .mp4.

L138[19:05:15] <Ocawes​ome101> %sip

L139[19:05:15] <MichiBot> You drink a sedimented toxictop potion (New!). Ocawesome101 feels chill.

L140[19:05:18] <Ocawes​ome101> brrrr

L141[19:06:02] <Va​ur> %sip

L142[20:50:02] <et​afu> >Izzy: speakers? as in, for use with tape drives?

L143[20:50:02] <et​afu> yes, these

L144[21:03:29] <Izzy> you can use the tapes at double bitrate for less crunchy sound

L145[21:04:43] <Izzy> (also, thank you discord for encouraging quoting like that so I get pinged on my phone but don't actually see the response until I get back to my desk, just what I said /s)

L146[21:12:13] <Amanda> Izzy: that's just a quirk of corded, it was probably a reply

L147[21:12:56] <Izzy> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/8749.png

L148[21:22:54] <Forec​aster> It was a reply

L149[21:39:20] <Izzy> it is annoying :)

L151[21:45:01] <Amanda> At least we get any context at all

L152[21:48:03] <Forec​aster> Just make your client not ping you if the name is prefixed with a caret

L153[21:48:46] <Izzy> client is working as intended :)

L154[21:52:42] <Forec​aster> Then you'll just have to live with the annoyance

L155[21:53:08] <Amanda> I mean, I know some IRC communities that use that reply format

L156[21:53:21] <Amanda> From before discord was ever a thing

L157[21:54:20] <Forec​aster> But discord invented chatting I'm pretty sure

L158[21:54:47] <Amanda> No, just everything wrong with it! /S

L159[21:56:21] <Izzy> maybe I should just ignore corded entirely ;)

L160[21:56:44] <Izzy> would certainly reduce the number of annoyances

L161[21:59:29] <Izzy> which reminds me I need to pull my tonk-filtering rules too

L162[22:06:32] <Forec​aster> %tonkout

L163[22:06:33] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! Forec​aster! You beat Ocawes​ome101's previous record of 8 hours, 5 minutes and 35 seconds (By 41 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L164[22:06:34] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk points! plus 0.007 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.27797035. Position #2 => #1 (Overtook Ocawesome101)

L165[22:06:56] <Liizzii> %tonk

L166[22:07:10] <Liizzii> damn cooldowns

L167[22:20:45] <Amanda> %choose rain box or halucinate

L168[22:20:47] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: rain box'os, for a complete breakfast!

L169[22:30:15] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable glass potion

L170[22:30:15] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable platinum potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a fox until they find a photo of a potato.

L171[22:30:25] <Liizzii> %tonk

L172[22:30:26] <MichiBot> Lii​zzii: You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk

L173[22:30:39] <Liizzii> %tonk

L174[22:30:40] <MichiBot> Lii​zzii: You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk

L176[22:31:12] <Amanda> You have to give her the code from the linked site

L177[22:31:43] <Liizzii> %tonk C18E6

L178[22:31:44] <MichiBot> Potzblitz! Lii​zzii! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 25 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L179[22:31:45] <MichiBot> Liizzii's new record is 25 minutes and 10 seconds! Liizzii also gained 0.00042 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #26. (Overtook schafhirte 204) Need 0.00153 more points to pass cat​2002!