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L1[00:45:14] <Amanda> %choose zzzmews or responsible bottle pushing over
L2[00:45:14] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Once you get a taste of "responsible bottle pushing over" you can't stop.
L3[00:45:31] <Amanda> Sounds addictive
L4[00:49:33] <Amanda> @Nadja remember, just because you invented a new transistor which is good for trams doesn't mean you can hide in the walls of the school from the Valkyries and her away from them, better to hide in the trams which are going around the Soviet Union, gathering workers and potato sacks and hiding from the robot cleaners
L5[00:51:24] * Amanda lays her tail across her own face, laying her head on elfi to bury her in the floof and protecc her from the smoke, does a heccen zzzmew
L6[00:51:27] <Amanda> Night girls
L7[01:00:41] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> %tonk
L8[01:00:41] <MichiBot> Fiddlesticks! PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)! You beat vau​r06's previous record of 13 hours, 15 minutes and 52 seconds (By 27 minutes and 24 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L9[01:00:42] <MichiBot> PwnagePineapple (He/Him)'s new record is 13 hours, 43 minutes and 16 seconds! PwnagePineapple (He/Him) also gained 0.00644 (0.00046 x 14) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #8. Need 0.059938 more points to pass walksanato​r. B⃢ot.!
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L12[04:18:43] <forec​aster> %sip
L13[04:18:44] <MichiBot> You drink an aligned quicksilver potion (New!). forecaster grows whiskers until they eat a pie.
L14[04:18:50] <forec​aster> Ohno
L15[04:19:52] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> %sip
L16[04:19:53] <MichiBot> You drink a viscous avesmingo potion (New!). PwnagePineapple (He/Him)'s radiation level goes up by 2. PwnagePineapple (He/Him)'s radiation level is 2. (Rem. uses: 0)
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L18[05:59:45] <Vaur> %tonk
L19[05:59:45] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Vaur, you were not able to beat PwnagePineapple (He/Him)'s record of 13 hours, 43 minutes and 16 seconds this time. 4 hours, 59 minutes and 4 seconds were wasted! Missed by 8 hours, 44 minutes and 12 seconds!
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L21[06:19:25] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L22[07:49:40] ⇦ Quits: Hawk777 (~Hawk777@2607:c000:829a:3600:f801:b161:c532:8b93) (Quit: Leaving.)
L23[07:53:42] <lili​rine> Are OC 1.8.2's changes all serversided?
L24[07:53:47] <lili​rine> Will my players need to update?
L25[07:56:48] <forec​aster> Your should always update both server and client
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L28[12:17:52] * Amanda meows and looks around
L29[12:20:34] * Amanda offers elfi some breakfast pancakes
L30[12:37:13] <Amanda> CompanionCube, Izzy: https://glauca.space/@q/110513256538174560
L31[12:37:54] <Amanda> hec it, @nadja too
L32[12:39:07] <nadja> I follow Q already (hell, I lasered her rM2), it's fun, isn't it? :D
L33[12:39:18] <Amanda> someone linked that elsenet
L34[12:39:49] <Amanda> That's brilliant though
L35[12:42:36] <Izzy> Amanda: you know, I was going to sleep tonight
L36[12:42:38] <Izzy> maybe not now
L37[12:42:41] <Izzy> >.>
L38[12:43:02] <Amanda> Izzy: if it helps, they shut down entirely once the RCE was fixed, suppossedly because they were being DDoS'd
L39[12:45:28] <sky​moo> are you doing greg tech
L40[12:47:53] <Na​dja> Izzy: believe me, you *do not* want to know the state of the worlds CAs. Like this is not even close to the weirdest and stupidest shit that happens on the regular there
L41[12:51:23] <Izzy> :blobcatnotlike:
L42[14:44:15] <forec​aster> %sip
L43[14:44:17] <MichiBot> You drink a shimmering sapphire potion (New!). Suddenly there's a swarm of wasps behind forecaster that chase them for 44 seconds!
L44[14:44:34] <forec​aster> dangit
L45[15:03:25] <techt​astic> %down
L46[15:03:26] <MichiBot> You drink a cloudy pussplum potion (New!). techtastic turns into a quicksilver fox otter boy until someone turns off a lamp.
L47[15:03:45] <techt​astic> https://tenor.com/view/cute-pets-pets-adorable-pets-fun-pets-fun-pet-gif-24268579
L48[15:10:39] * Amanda leaves some bread out for Elfi, hoping for milk and mead: https://www.tumblr.com/yourplayersaidwhat/719416310048653312/we-saved-their-milk-stole-their-bread-and-left?source=share
L49[15:17:16] * Elfi nibbles bread, falls asleep on table
L50[15:17:28] <Elfi> Need... coffee z.z
L51[15:19:04] * Amanda summons some coffee for Elfi
L52[15:19:21] * Elfi climbs into cup and zzz
L53[15:22:15] <forec​aster> That's a drowning hazard!
L54[15:41:38] <Vaur> %sip
L55[15:41:38] <MichiBot> You drink an unaligned black potion (New!). Vaur thinks "What if, like, *we* are the potions man?". This makes no sense whatsoever.
L56[15:48:42] <Amanda> Don't worry, I'll fish Elfi out before she starts drowning
L57[16:12:10] <walksanato​r. B⃢ot.> %tonk
L58[16:12:11] <MichiBot> I'm sorry walksanator. B⃢ot., you were not able to beat PwnagePineapple (He/Him)'s record of 13 hours, 43 minutes and 16 seconds this time. 10 hours, 12 minutes and 25 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours, 30 minutes and 51 seconds!
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L60[16:24:46] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Walks bruh
L61[16:27:22] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Now I have to wait 13 hours before I can tonk out
L62[16:47:28] <techt​astic> XD
L63[16:47:55] <techt​astic> Thats 1 AM for me XD
L64[16:54:05] <Amanda> Hrm.
L65[16:54:31] <Amanda> pmOS has a testing repo for my ereader
L66[17:12:08] <Amanda> %choose halucinate or try and be productive
L67[17:12:08] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: The sands of time whisper to me... they're saying "halucinate".
L68[17:17:21] <stephan48> which is?
L69[17:26:06] <Vaur> %sip
L70[17:26:06] <MichiBot> You drink a runny tiberium potion (New!). The bottle turns into a nectar trident.
L71[17:26:34] <vau​r06> >stephan48: which is?
L72[17:26:34] <vau​r06> halucinate is amanda's creole for reading
L73[17:27:04] <stephan48> i mean the reader :P
L74[17:28:19] <vau​r06> >stephan48: i mean the reader :P
L75[17:28:19] <vau​r06> I blame you for asking a vague question which lead to an answer that didn't satisfy 😛
L76[17:28:55] <stephan48> i figured as much regarding your answer and what she means but its always nice to get confirmation :P
L77[17:33:41] <Amanda> stephan48: Kobo Clara HD
L78[17:40:15] <Amanda> Hrm, I'd have to learn how to disassemble it first it seems
L79[17:42:03] <Amanda> It's got an internal SD card with the system on it, apparently
L80[18:16:14] <techt​astic> welp, got my Kettle down, just need to fix this rendering issue https://tinyurl.com/233fnhjq
L81[18:45:21] <Vaur> %sip
L82[18:45:21] <MichiBot> You drink a sour silver potion (New!). Vaur has no memory of drinking a potion.
L83[18:45:25] <Vaur> %sip
L84[18:45:46] <Vaur> >Having another potion seems like a really bad idea right now... Wait 9 minutes and 55 seconds.
L85[18:45:52] <Vaur> you sit on a throne of lies !
L86[19:13:58] <Vaur> %sip
L87[19:13:58] <MichiBot> You drink a shaky cyan potion (New!). It tastes salty.
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L89[19:43:20] <Vaur> %sip
L90[19:43:20] <MichiBot> You drink an unaligned titanium potion (New!). A swinging blade comes flying towards Vaur from nowhere! They fail to evade it with a 10 vs DC 16 and takes 1d​8 => 6 damage.
L91[19:48:42] <Amanda> %splash @inari with mutable diamond potion
L92[19:48:43] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable diamond potion (New!) that splashes onto @inari. @inari turns into a chocolate dragon girl for 3 hours.
L93[20:57:18] <Comput​erCoco> Ayya so I haven't seen this writen down anyware, but it seems to me from my testing that network cards are limited to 1 packet sent per tick, is this correct?
L94[20:57:44] <AR2​000> >ComputerCoco: Ayya so I haven't seen this writen down anyware, but it seems to me from …
L95[20:57:44] <AR2​000> Not exactly
L96[20:58:27] <AR2​000> There is 2 types of components call : direct and indirect
L97[20:58:27] <AR2​000> sending a msg with a network card is a indirect call, and will force a delay
L98[20:58:43] <Comput​erCoco> And that delay is a whole tick?
L99[20:58:58] <Comput​erCoco> Or rather, till the next tick
L100[21:00:01] <AR2​000> Looks like 3.5ms me (tested in ocelot)
L101[21:00:46] <Comput​erCoco> Hmmm...
L102[21:00:46] <Comput​erCoco> But when I try sending network messages as fast as possible, Im rate limited to 20 a second, or once a tick
L103[21:00:53] <AR2​000> Nevermind : 0.05s
L104[21:00:55] <Comput​erCoco> Maybe its something else slowing it down
L105[21:00:59] <AR2​000> so yes, on tick
L106[21:01:05] <Comput​erCoco> oh
L107[21:01:52] <AR2​000> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/qajivoqesa
L108[21:02:18] <Comput​erCoco> um doesn't computer.uptime() measure only in tick accurecy?
L109[21:02:44] <AR2​000> While it wait for 0.05s, it might not wait for the next tick, but I may be completly wrong
L110[21:02:59] <AR2​000> >ComputerCoco: um doesn't computer.uptime() measure only in tick accurecy?
L111[21:03:00] <AR2​000> idk
L112[21:03:06] <Comput​erCoco> hmmm
L113[21:03:14] <Comput​erCoco> Well either way from testing this seems to be the case
L114[21:04:37] <AR2​000> A good way to know if a component call will be indirect is to check if it will have to interract/communicate with a other PC or entity/block in the world
L115[21:05:41] <Comput​erCoco> Good to know, and direct calls don't force wait time, but theres a cost for each of them, and theres a limit right?
L116[21:05:56] <Comput​erCoco> Based on the cpu
L117[21:06:11] <AR2​000> direct call have a energy cost, like indserect ones, but don't have a delay yes
L118[21:06:20] <Comput​erCoco> coolio
L119[21:06:30] <AR2​000> there is a limit called the 'call budget'
L120[21:06:39] <Comput​erCoco> yeye, Ive heard
L121[21:06:45] <AR2​000> like you said, each CPU has it's limit before forcing a delay
L122[21:06:47] <Comput​erCoco> I wish there was a way to measure it in game
L123[21:06:59] <AR2​000> You can see it in Ocelot
L124[21:07:10] <AR2​000> That's not in game
L125[21:07:25] <AR2​000> https://tinyurl.com/24n6uetw
L126[21:11:38] <Comput​erCoco> yea but I was hoping to see it in game and stuff, maybe even have my code react or warn me based on it
L127[21:11:48] <kristo​pher38> i vaguely remember that network cards are indeed limited to 1 message per tick
L128[21:12:07] <kristo​pher38> not sure where i know that from
L129[21:12:39] <kristo​pher38> (perhaps the call cost for them is so high that it will eat up your call budget with 1 call only)
L130[21:12:54] <kristo​pher38> i imagine this is done to prevent spamming the network
L131[21:15:06] <Comput​erCoco> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/amutahitil
L132[21:17:13] <Comput​erCoco> if I understand correctly, even with more than 8 data parts, the whole packet is still limited to 8KiB anyway, wouldn't that be the main thing stopping from nuking computers?
L133[21:17:23] <ar2​000> You could fill the memory with too much data in the event queue
L134[21:17:44] <Comput​erCoco> Yea but thats packet size dependent right? Not data parts dependent
L135[21:17:48] <ar2​000> Multi part is technically bigger in memory
L136[21:19:31] <Comput​erCoco> True, but isn't it only 2 bits of overheard per each part, and doesn't it still count towards the limit?
L137[21:19:32] <Comput​erCoco> As in weather I have 3 thousand one charecter strings or one 3 thousand char string, wouldn't they both be capped by the size limit?
L138[21:20:21] <kristo​pher38> There are two parts to this
L139[21:22:48] <kristo​pher38> First has to do with how much memory tables consume, in short - 9 bytes per primitive (double/int64/bool/pointer), for both keys and values, unless the value lies in the array part, then the key is free
L140[21:24:35] <kristo​pher38> So depending on how the event lib stores the data associated with the event it should be either 0 or 9 bytes of overhead per entry (depending on the presence of a key)
L141[21:26:12] <kristo​pher38> Second part has to do with how memory consumption for strings is measured - for some bizarre reason it's as if each character consumes only 0.5 byte :P
L142[21:28:46] <kristo​pher38> Anyway with more possible dataparts (counted in the thousands though) you could in theory take down some low memory systems
L143[21:29:18] <Comput​erCoco> hmm
L144[21:30:07] <kristo​pher38> The "thousands" part is very contrived
L145[21:33:54] <S​3> Somebody asked me how many network ports we have at work and I had to think about it.
L146[21:34:34] <S​3> I calculated roughly 30,000 but after an in depth look it comes out to just under 50,000 ethernet ports.
L147[21:35:11] <techt​astic> >S3: Somebody asked me how many network ports we have at work and I had to think a…
L148[21:35:11] <techt​astic> yep and thats not counting the ephemeral ports that are only open for a short time
L149[21:35:35] <techt​astic> iirc 50+
L150[21:35:52] <S​3> Not talking about TCP/UDP ports
L151[21:36:00] <S​3> talking about Ethernet ports. The ones you plug into.
L152[21:36:05] <techt​astic> OH
L153[21:36:12] <techt​astic> nvm then XD
L154[21:36:23] <S​3> We have just under 50,000 of them available
L155[21:36:42] <S​3> And over 1000 switches.
L156[21:37:14] <S​3> Though covid has definitely brought a steep decline into how many are actively used.
L157[21:37:45] <Amanda> And one mischievous cat who likes to unplug and move the wires around
L158[21:40:48] <S​3> YES!
L159[21:40:49] <S​3> Is that you?
L160[21:41:18] <Amanda> No, that's my field agent, fluffy mcfloofensteine
L161[21:41:24] <S​3> Mischievous cats are always good to have around. They deserve good food.
L162[21:44:45] <techt​astic> they just wanna do a bit of rewiring to make the network closet cleaner :trollface:
L163[21:45:10] <techt​astic> https://tenor.com/view/network-confused-john-travolta-wire-gif-5799547
L164[21:47:49] <lili​rine> I do not know what causes this,
L165[21:48:03] <lili​rine> (translucent screens)
L166[21:48:29] <lili​rine> is this a new feature?
L167[21:48:54] <lili​rine> or is it a "bug" (I say "bug" because it is a cool one)
L168[22:12:29] <Amanda> Did corded not bridge the image, or was there not one posted
L169[22:13:24] <mic​hiyo> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/125649403162656768/1116846131805167726/image.png?width=1289&height=735
L170[22:13:58] <Amanda> No idea if that's intentional
L171[22:14:49] <Amanda> @michiyo also corded should just continue to use usernames when she's been updated. More irc-friendly
L172[22:17:49] <Amanda> Easier on irc bots as well
L173[22:17:50] <Amanda> Maybe MichiBot could have a way of linking nicks instead for cases like @vaur06
L174[22:18:35] <Amanda> Wait, she already does doesn't she? So just the tonk needs to use it?
L175[22:19:02] <ar2​000> Is michibot case sensitive?
L176[22:19:35] <Amanda> I don't think so, fore can still keep his tonks
L177[22:19:56] <Amanda> Which makes sense, irc nicks aren't
L178[22:20:04] <ar2​000> And so should I
L179[22:22:24] <elberond​arkshadow> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ohikufikiq
L180[22:25:53] <elberond​arkshadow> Here's the ticket I opened requesting you enable PVR:
L181[22:25:54] <elberond​arkshadow> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/3626
L182[22:25:54] <MichiBot> Title: Please enable GitHub Private Vulnerability Reporting | Posted by: JLLeitschuh | Posted: Fri Jun 09 22:08:27 UTC 2023 | Status: open
L183[22:26:34] <ar2​000> 😓
L184[22:26:51] <ar2​000> Mods are getting infected with a virus lately
L185[22:27:00] <elberond​arkshadow> I saw that, this isn't that though
L186[22:27:14] <elberond​arkshadow> OC has an actual vulnerability
L187[22:27:42] <elberond​arkshadow> To be fair, so does computer craft
L188[22:29:07] <ar2​000> it's not that, but it could be used to inject the virus. If I understood the vulnerability in the previous issue
L189[22:29:12] <ar2​000> https://youtu.be/BH925m0QKds
L190[22:34:40] <S​3> >techtastic: https://tenor.com/view/network-confused-john-travolta-wire-gif-579954���
L191[22:34:40] <S​3> We have closets that look worse than that because people who shouldn't have had access did.
L192[22:34:50] <S​3> Also: https://tinyurl.com/2xjeahyd
L193[22:34:54] <S​3> What the inside of a system76 laptop looks like.
L194[22:44:02] <elberond​arkshadow> https://github.com/JLLeitschuh/security-research/security/advisories/GHSA-95qx-gfrp-3rjm
L195[22:48:12] <asie> Well, then
L196[22:49:48] <CompanionCube> 404
L197[22:50:25] <asie> well, yes
L198[22:53:07] <Amanda> guessing it'd only work for contributors
L199[22:53:33] <CompanionCube> oh, i thought it was a security advisory for sometihng else
L200[23:05:01] <elberond​arkshadow> Hey Devs,
L201[23:05:01] <elberond​arkshadow> Trying to run the unit tests in the codebase, but getting compilation errors in IJ, of the scala code. What JDK version should I be using to compile?
L202[23:06:28] <elberond​arkshadow> Looks like the GitHub actions use JDK 8, so I'l ltry that out
L203[23:08:40] * Amanda lays on Elfi's ship, stopping her from into spacing
L204[23:09:35] <Amanda> You will not into space today Elfi, I demand scritchies forst
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L206[23:09:44] <asie> Only Java 8 for pre-1.13 Minecraft versions, yes.
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L208[23:10:00] <asie> Likewise the Gradle version - we're existing on a pile of hacks here, in the Minecraft modding world.
L209[23:10:05] <elberond​arkshadow> Interesting. I didn't know you could integrate discord and IRC
L210[23:10:23] <Amanda> That's via @Corded
L211[23:10:53] <Amanda> She pretends to be us on discord using webhooks
L212[23:11:25] <mic​hiyo> Corded is slightly broken due to the username updates and I'm not sure what exactly I'm going to do about it.
L213[23:11:33] <elberond​arkshadow> > Likewise the Gradle version - we're existing on a pile of hacks here, in the Minecraft modding world.
L214[23:11:33] <elberond​arkshadow> I've gathered 🤣
L215[23:11:33] <elberond​arkshadow> My big HTTP download of dependencies research project started with Minecraft modders, thinking that they wouldn't be thinking abotu security of their build. But I quickly found that the entire industry was vulnerable. :laughing_tears:
L216[23:12:00] <elberond​arkshadow> https://infosecwriteups.com/want-to-take-over-the-java-ecosystem-all-you-need-is-a-mitm-1fc329d898fb
L217[23:12:16] <Hawk777> Well, you know, https://xkcd.com/2347/
L218[23:12:29] <elberond​arkshadow> Minecraft modders ended up being a foot note in that overall article :laughing_tears:
L219[23:12:40] <asie> There's a fair few exploits found in Minecraft mods, though most typically don't breach the game's own ecosystem.
L220[23:13:16] <elberond​arkshadow> Hawk777, that little project is actually the scope of my entire job these days. I work for the Open Source Security Foundation as a security researcher
L221[23:13:25] <asie> One big problem with CC and OC security that's "left unsaid" is that they allow an user to essentially write and read arbitrary files to the filesystem, which could be used as a setup for another mod bug in theory
L222[23:13:35] <asie> The files are confined to a special directory, yes
L223[23:13:53] <elberond​arkshadow> https://openssf.org/community/alpha-omega/
L224[23:13:53] <elberond​arkshadow> > “Alpha” will work with the maintainers of the most critical open source projects to help them identify and fix security vulnerabilities, and improve their security posture. “Omega” will identify at least 10,000 widely deployed OSS projects where it can apply automated security analysis, scoring, and remediation guidance to their open source maintainer communities.
L225[23:13:53] <elberond​arkshadow> I'm a part of Omega
L226[23:14:16] <Amanda> Wasn't it you asie who found that some big closed source mod was doing bytexode fuckery to hide a shadow ban or something?
L227[23:14:40] <asie> No
L228[23:14:47] <asie> (But those things happened too yes)
L229[23:14:56] <elberond​arkshadow> > One big problem with CC and OC security that's "left unsaid" is that they allow an user to essentially write and read arbitrary files to the filesystem, which could be used as a setup for another mod bug in theory
L230[23:14:56] <elberond​arkshadow> > The files are confined to a special directory, yes
L231[23:14:56] <elberond​arkshadow> I poked at attempting to break out of CC's simulated filesystem many, many years ago
L232[23:15:08] <elberond​arkshadow> Didn't find anything
L233[23:15:16] <as​ie> The more interesting approach is to try to use another mod to access the simulated filesystem
L234[23:15:19] <elberond​arkshadow> I know more now though, I could take another look
L235[23:15:29] <as​ie> RedLogic on 1.7.10 had a bug where an identifier stored in an NBT tag was appended to a filename without sanitization
L236[23:15:54] <elberond​arkshadow> Any of you familiar with Black Hat/DEF CON
L237[23:16:00] <as​ie> Of course
L238[23:16:04] <as​ie> Anyhow, it's 1:15 AM, I have to go to bed
L239[23:16:41] <as​ie> Regarding the advisory above - after initial analysis of the problem, I expect a fix to go out tomorrow (or, well, today).
L240[23:16:44] <elberond​arkshadow> A filesystem vulnerability for me to poke at too:
L241[23:16:44] <elberond​arkshadow> https://youtu.be/UgGhEfdUSvQ?t=1247
L242[23:16:58] <elberond​arkshadow> That's my talk I gave at DEF CON last year
L243[23:17:30] <elberond​arkshadow> > Anyhow, it's 1:15 AM, I have to go to bed
L244[23:17:31] <elberond​arkshadow> No worries!
L245[23:17:43] <as​ie> Thank you for the work you do
L246[23:17:52] <as​ie> Sorry you had to run into an almost-abandoned Minecraft mod along the way
L247[23:18:08] <elberond​arkshadow> > I expect a fix to go out tomorrow (or, well, today)
L248[23:18:09] <elberond​arkshadow> I'd appreciate being able to review a diff before you ship it.
L249[23:18:17] <as​ie> Can do.
L250[23:18:35] <elberond​arkshadow> > Sorry you had to run into an almost-abandoned Minecraft mod along the way
L251[23:18:35] <elberond​arkshadow> Par for the course. Most OSS projects are abandoned as it turns out, or unresponsive. You're doing quite well by comparison
L252[23:19:04] <as​ie> Good night!
L253[23:19:11] <elberond​arkshadow> You too! :laughing_tears:
L254[23:24:52] <forec​aster> I'm going to guess you use the light theme
L255[23:25:08] <elberond​arkshadow> Who, me? For security research?
L256[23:25:25] <as​ie> It's the emote, it has a white opaque background
L257[23:25:40] <elberond​arkshadow> I used whatever came up first
L258[23:26:08] <elberond​arkshadow> I don't use the light theme, no 😆
L259[23:26:36] <elberond​arkshadow> Hrm... looks like running the `test` task in gradle doesn't actually run the tests
L260[23:28:07] <as​ie> There's only one and it hasn't been ran in years
L261[23:28:26] <as​ie> It concerns the internal graph built for communication between blocks and entities only
L262[23:28:51] <as​ie> Who, us? Good coding practices?
L263[23:29:23] <elberond​arkshadow> I can probably fix that, I used to work for Gradle. I'll create a PR if I get it to work.
L264[23:29:23] <elberond​arkshadow> I know it's probably not important, but if I can get tests working, it will give me a place to test the vulnerability further and give you more insights into if the scope is worse than I thought just looking at the source code
L265[23:30:22] <as​ie> Don't spend too much time on it, as I said - most downstream users will never receive the update anyway
L266[23:30:28] <elberond​arkshadow> Got it working
L267[23:30:42] <elberond​arkshadow> Two lines of code changed, three if you include the import
L268[23:31:02] <elberond​arkshadow> 😆
L269[23:31:04] <as​ie> That's fine, feel free to make a PR and I'll look at it when I wake up tomorrow
L270[23:32:52] <elberond​arkshadow> I was wrong... 4 lines changed https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/3627/files
L271[23:35:52] <Vexatos> security vulnerabilities in mods really aren't much of an issue to bother thinking about, aside from stuff like client-to-client RCE
L272[23:36:35] <Vexatos> why even bother hacking a mod when you can just politely ask someone to test your new jar file
L273[23:37:19] <as​ie> >Vexatos: security vulnerabilities in mods really aren't much of an issue to both…
L274[23:37:19] <as​ie> the problem is most downstream users of a mod aren't even aware of its featureset
L275[23:37:22] <as​ie> modpacks...
L276[23:37:33] <Vexatos> I guess
L277[23:37:45] <Vexatos> OC is probably the most underused mod in existence
L278[23:37:51] <Vexatos> in terms of install to user ratio
L279[23:38:11] <Vexatos> during the 1.12 era every single mod pack contained it and noone used it
L280[23:38:45] <Izzy> computercraft is cheaper
L281[23:39:21] <Vexatos> computercraft also didn't exist during that exact era as it happened to coincide with dan going AWOL before squiddev picked it back up
L282[23:41:21] <Vexatos> but yea idk OC is obviously an exception since it allows writing data to the server in a way
L283[23:41:37] <Hawk777> Honestly, for a long time, before I got more involved, I thought of OC as just “CC but your executing code doesn’t randomly disappear once in a while because you walked too far away from the computer”. Which was benefit enough for me to prefer it.
L284[23:42:32] <Izzy> it still does sometimes
L285[23:42:35] <Izzy> but not always
L286[23:42:54] <Hawk777> In CC you mean?
L287[23:43:12] <Hawk777> Whereas OC even keeps things running across quitting and restarting MC.
L288[23:43:35] <Hawk777> I assumed CC hadn’t changed that.
L289[23:43:40] <Hawk777> These days I just like that OC has pluggable architectures.
L290[23:44:08] <Hawk777> And also I’m playing 1.12 so I don’t really have much choice.
L291[23:44:34] <Vexatos> I assume the largest userbase for OC is 1.7.10 still
L292[23:44:38] <Vexatos> though we have no data for that
L293[23:45:09] <Vexatos> the demographic that plays GTNH and the demographic that would actually consider using OC overlap pretty well
L294[23:45:40] * Hawk777 never touched GregTech (I assume that’s what GTNH is)
L295[23:46:01] <Vexatos> yea it's basically the gregtech modpack to end all other modpacks ever made
L296[23:46:31] <Vexatos> been actively maintained since 2014 to the point they forked every abandoned 1.7 mod they could to fix bugs and add features, and wrote coremod patches for those they couldn't fork
L297[23:47:20] <Vexatos> it is still getting regular updates and has a fairly large player base which is why I made that statement
L298[23:47:28] <Hawk777> For me, I did mainly IndustrialCraft²/RedPower/BuildCraft/Thermal/Railcraft/ComputerCraft back in the beta 1.8 (I think) days, and then moved to mainly Immersive/Thaumcraft/Thermal/Railcraft/OpenComputers for release 1.12.
L299[23:47:42] <Hawk777> Wow, that seems pretty crazy.
L300[23:47:43] <Vexatos> I only started playing modded MC in 1.2.5
L301[23:48:23] <Vexatos> and I was heavily involved in the community between 1.6 and 1.12
L302[23:48:35] <Vexatos> so for around 6-7 years
L303[23:49:07] <Hawk777> That’s right around the time I wasn’t upgrading because RedPower.
L304[23:49:12] <Vexatos> though I never actually played the game much
L305[23:49:26] <Vexatos> these days I mod an entirely different game that I never even played at all
L306[23:49:31] <Vexatos> I just don't play games I guess
L307[23:54:22] <kristo​pher38> >Vexatos: I just don't play games I guess
L308[23:54:22] <kristo​pher38> this hits close to home
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