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L1[00:00:25] <stephan48> Thistle? HCF?
L2[00:03:04] <Elfi> Thistle is a 6502 core for OC, and HCF is "Halt and Catch Fire"
L3[00:04:14] <Elfi> I pulled up the repo and I cannot find an HCF in the instruction table
L4[00:09:50] <Amanda> Might have been part of one of my weird dreams then
L5[00:23:48] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p200300eaef0baf4772adc39b3f23b5dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L6[00:35:27] * Amanda curls back up around Elfi, teaches her the secret wing-flutter patterns to generate infinite coffee
L7[00:38:04] <lunar_sam> https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/tsukiko-vm
L8[00:38:09] <lunar_sam> a
L9[00:38:38] <lunar_sam> still coming along but today i got somewhere close to getting closures to work
L10[00:38:56] <lunar_sam> upvalues are still not correctly implemented and neither are literally any metamethods
L11[01:11:37] <stephan48> Elfi: thanks
L12[01:58:47] <walksanato​r. B⃢ot.> %tonk
L13[01:58:47] <MichiBot> Bingo! walksanato​r. B⃢ot.! You beat Redston​eParkour's previous record of 4 hours, 37 minutes and 38 seconds (By 24 minutes and 8 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L14[01:58:48] <MichiBot> walksanator. B⃢ot.'s new record is 5 hours, 1 minute and 47 seconds! walksanator. B⃢ot. also gained 0.002 (0.0004 x 5) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #12 => #11. (Overtook PwnagePineapple) Need 0.00078 more points to pass TechT​astic!
L15[01:59:26] <TechT​astic> Fuck
L16[01:59:38] <TechT​astic> I was just verifying it was time XD
L17[02:21:34] * Amanda meows sleepily to elfi about her day doing ghetto electrical engineering then tearing apart the basement more
L18[02:21:56] <Elfi> oh boy, the best kind of electrical engineering
L19[02:22:10] * Elfi is perpetually trying to flutter coffee into existence
L20[02:22:43] <Amanda> We cut an extension cord in half then attached a wall socket to one end!
L21[02:23:06] <Amanda> But hey, now the OTN thingy from Verizon in the basement is also plugged into the ups I bought
L22[02:23:52] * Amanda lays her head on elfi, does a heccen zzzmew
L23[02:24:11] <Amanda> Night girls and others
L24[02:26:18] <stephan48> sleep well!
L25[03:23:17] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I have the OpenFM addon installed and im curious what can I do with a radio
L26[03:26:17] <Mic​hiyo> You can play .mp3 files, and (some) streaming radio
L27[03:26:44] <Mic​hiyo> I've not done anything with it in years though, so it's likely the internet has moved on from icecast vorbis streaming audio
L28[03:27:32] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Michiyo: You can play .mp3 files, and (some) streaming radio
L29[03:27:33] <DiamondC​reeper_6> how do I stream radio
L30[03:27:44] <Mic​hiyo> you give it a radio stream URL
L31[03:28:00] <DiamondC​reeper_6> hmm. where can i find a stream URL
L32[03:28:31] <DiamondC​reeper_6> and do I have to power it/hook it up to a OC computer in order to work?
L33[03:29:06] <Mic​hiyo> You don't *HAVE* to, but it does have OC and CC API support so you can control it
L34[03:29:33] <Mic​hiyo> And you just have to go find some streaming radio site, most of them will give you a URL you can plug into a media player, it may, or may not, work in OpenFM
L35[03:29:52] <DiamondC​reeper_6> Idk how to find one, Im dumb af XD
L36[03:30:03] <walksanato​r. B⃢ot.> what CC api?
L37[03:30:07] <DiamondC​reeper_6> ill try looking one up, does twitch work?
L38[03:30:11] <walksanato​r. B⃢ot.> is OpenFM a addon mod
L39[03:30:21] <Mic​hiyo> >DiamondCreeper_6: ill try looking one up, does twitch work?
L40[03:30:21] <Mic​hiyo> No, nor does Youtube, or anything like that
L41[03:30:22] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >walksanator. B⃢ot.: is OpenFM a addon mod
L42[03:30:22] <DiamondC​reeper_6> its an addon mods for OC
L43[03:30:22] <Izzy> streaming audio, not video
L44[03:30:39] <Mic​hiyo> http://s03.diazol.hu:7060/speedfm-hq see if this works, if so I can link you to a directory that might be handy
L45[03:30:46] <walksanato​r. B⃢ot.> ah if you were using CC with Computronics you could try youcube
L46[03:30:49] <Izzy> http://www.abc.net.au/res/streaming/audio/aac/radio_national.pls
L47[03:31:04] <walksanato​r. B⃢ot.> it uses yt-dlp so it can use... alot of sites
L48[03:31:36] <Mic​hiyo> OpenFM is a mod, that can be used as an addon for OC and CC. Unlike the rest of my mods that are direct addons for OC
L49[03:31:47] <Mic​hiyo> but it can also be 100% standalone
L50[03:32:40] <Mic​hiyo> >Izzy: http://www.abc.net.au/res/streaming/audio/aac/radio_national.pls
L51[03:32:40] <Mic​hiyo> this is unlikely to work as it's AAC, but I'd be happy to be wrong.
L52[03:32:56] <Izzy> they also have an MP3 version I think
L53[03:33:06] <Izzy> it was just what I have in cantata
L54[03:33:18] <Mic​hiyo> If the link I posted works then https://dir.xiph.org/ you can right click the "Play" links and copy the link and paste it into the URL bar in the UI
L55[03:33:54] <DiamondC​reeper_6> thanks dude!
L56[03:34:15] <Mic​hiyo> Let me know if it still works.. like I said it's been years since I've touched it
L57[03:34:24] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Izzy: http://www.abc.net.au/res/streaming/audio/aac/radio_national.pls
L58[03:34:24] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I clicked on this and It downloaded a file, what do I do with it
L59[03:34:29] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Michiyo: Let me know if it still works.. like I said it's been years since I've touched it
L60[03:34:29] <DiamondC​reeper_6> it works
L61[03:34:34] <Mic​hiyo> \o/
L62[03:34:56] <Izzy> you may be able to paste the link into OpenFM, might need to replace 'aac' with 'mp3' though
L63[03:35:07] <Mic​hiyo> If you want to try Izzy's link then just copy / paste it
L64[03:35:12] <Mic​hiyo> What Izzy said :P
L65[03:35:22] <DiamondC​reeper_6> paste it in what file
L66[03:35:46] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I need a file path to place it in so I can make it work
L67[03:35:56] <Izzy> it's a link
L68[03:35:58] <Izzy> paste the LINK
L69[03:36:53] <DiamondC​reeper_6> alright
L70[03:37:28] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I clicked on the link and it downloaded this strange file and was wondering where to put it but ill try just copying the link instead of clicking on it
L71[03:40:10] <DiamondC​reeper_6> so then what does the speaker do in OpenFM?
L72[03:41:25] <Mic​hiyo> You link it with the... whatever I called the linking tool, and it will play sound from that location as well. So you can cover my area with a single radio
L73[03:42:03] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Izzy: http://www.abc.net.au/res/streaming/audio/aac/radio_national.pls
L74[03:42:03] <DiamondC​reeper_6> pasted the link and it made my game freeze completely
L75[03:42:33] <Izzy> I take it it doesn't support AAC then :D
L76[03:42:47] <DiamondC​reeper_6> yup
L77[03:43:05] <Mic​hiyo> Audio playback in Java is... a massive PITA
L78[03:43:19] <DiamondC​reeper_6> had to use task manager to close the game completely
L79[03:43:28] <Mic​hiyo> MP3 and OGG were all I could ever get working well
L80[03:43:47] <DiamondC​reeper_6> you were the creator of the addon!?
L81[03:43:49] <Mic​hiyo> it *SHOULD* have tried for ~30 seconds then barfed an error on the console and not killed your game
L82[03:43:53] <Mic​hiyo> Yes.
L83[03:44:03] <DiamondC​reeper_6> Ah!
L84[03:44:25] <DiamondC​reeper_6> so I guess i cant play that streaming platform instead I use the first link you sent me
L85[03:44:31] <DiamondC​reeper_6> to make it work
L86[03:44:51] <Mic​hiyo> anything that streams in mp3 or ogg *should* work
L87[03:45:13] <Mic​hiyo> I know that sometimes streams can insert ads in a way that breaks the stream, but you should just have to hit stop and then play again
L88[03:45:27] <DiamondC​reeper_6> Is there a mp3 radio station link that plays dubstep music nonstop?
L89[03:46:46] <DiamondC​reeper_6> just curious
L90[03:47:50] <Izzy> probably, but I hope not
L91[03:48:02] <DiamondC​reeper_6> aw cmon I love dubstep
L92[03:48:27] <DiamondC​reeper_6> one of my favorite electronic music genres
L93[03:48:55] <Mic​hiyo> >DiamondCreeper_6: Is there a mp3 radio station link that plays dubstep music nonstop?
L94[03:48:55] <Mic​hiyo> I'm sure you can find one that does, but I don't know of one off hand, and I'm not googling it :P
L95[03:49:19] <Mic​hiyo> Just make sure that they give you a direct link to the stream, and not just some web player.
L96[03:50:44] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Michiyo: Just make sure that they give you a direct link to the stream, and not just some we…
L97[03:50:44] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I bet im not gonna notice that and do something stupid that will crash my game 😂
L98[03:51:11] <Izzy> face_with_tears_of_joy seems a little off for the game crashing but carry on
L99[03:51:52] <DiamondC​reeper_6> its more like a laughing emoji tbh
L100[03:52:29] <DiamondC​reeper_6> hope it doesnt freeze my game completely once I join my world
L101[03:53:08] <walksanato​r. B⃢ot.> @TechTastic i am starting work on the parser module
L102[03:53:35] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Michiyo: You link it with the... whatever I called the linking tool, and it will play sound …
L103[03:53:36] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I dont get it, do I put in a custom sound or something?
L104[03:54:05] <Mic​hiyo> what?
L105[03:54:18] <Mic​hiyo> The speaker is just a speaker. You link it to the radio and it plays the same thing the radio is playing
L106[03:55:06] <Mic​hiyo> There is a tool, of some sort, I have no idea what I called it back then, you (sneak?) click the radio and the speaker.
L107[03:55:22] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I guess its a waste of resources to craft it then
L108[03:55:44] <DiamondC​reeper_6> Because the radio itself is acting like a speaker rn
L109[03:55:45] <Mic​hiyo> Well, if you don't want to hear the sound from further away, then yes.
L110[03:56:07] <DiamondC​reeper_6> Oh! so its a sound extender?
L111[03:56:10] <Mic​hiyo> The radio will always be a speaker, but it has a range
L112[03:56:56] <Mic​hiyo> and yes, like a range extender
L113[03:58:29] <DiamondC​reeper_6> looked linking tool in JEI and it didnt pop up with the item
L114[03:58:35] <DiamondC​reeper_6> whats the exact item name?
L115[03:59:40] <Mic​hiyo> *shrug* have I mentioned I've not touched this mod in *years*?
L116[04:00:03] <Mic​hiyo> "RadioTuner"?
L117[04:00:05] <Mic​hiyo> maybe?
L118[04:00:11] <DiamondC​reeper_6> Found it! worked!
L119[04:00:21] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Michiyo: "RadioTuner"?
L120[04:00:21] <DiamondC​reeper_6> thanks
L121[04:00:44] <Mic​hiyo> Seriously though, the last non "add some translation BS" commit was 2018
L122[04:00:49] <Mic​hiyo> and it was fixing broken CC compat
L123[04:01:00] <DiamondC​reeper_6> what does CC stand for?
L124[04:01:01] <Mic​hiyo> 2017 was the last bugfix
L125[04:01:04] <Mic​hiyo> ComputerCraft
L126[04:01:08] <DiamondC​reeper_6> ah
L127[04:01:10] <Mic​hiyo> the *other* lua Computer mod
L128[04:01:33] <DiamondC​reeper_6> the PCs in that mod are too easy to craft
L129[04:01:44] <DiamondC​reeper_6> and confusing to navigate through
L130[04:06:05] <DiamondC​reeper_6> also Im trying to see what the alarm block does in OpenSecurity
L131[04:06:11] <DiamondC​reeper_6> just installed it XD
L132[04:07:06] <DiamondC​reeper_6> sorry for too many questions
L133[04:08:03] <Mic​hiyo> It's an alarm.. :D
L134[04:08:28] <Mic​hiyo> https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenSecurity/wiki/Alarm
L135[04:08:34] <Mic​hiyo> There is also a tab in the ingame OC manual
L136[04:12:31] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I see in the wiki that custom sounds for the alarm can be put in:
L137[04:12:32] <DiamondC​reeper_6> minecraft/mods/OpenSecurity/assets/opensecurity/sounds/alarms
L138[04:12:44] <DiamondC​reeper_6> but im curious what type of files will it accept
L139[04:12:50] <DiamondC​reeper_6> mp3? OGG?
L140[04:14:41] <Forec​aster> wav works I believe
L141[04:20:27] <DiamondC​reeper_6> then I guess ill have to search up for those junk files
L142[04:20:34] <DiamondC​reeper_6> that I have
L143[04:27:54] <DiamondC​reeper_6> how do I deactivate the alarm
L144[04:28:08] <DiamondC​reeper_6> tried to put false inside () and it didnt work
L145[04:30:48] <DiamondC​reeper_6> how do I set an alarm
L146[04:30:56] <DiamondC​reeper_6> using th stealarm() command
L147[04:35:21] <Mic​hiyo> Read the wiki?
L148[04:35:32] <Mic​hiyo> It gives you the methods, and an example
L149[04:39:00] <Forec​aster> Psh, reading is for nerds!
L150[04:39:36] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> kickflips off a cliff with eagles in the background
L151[04:46:17] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Michiyo: Read the wiki?
L152[04:46:18] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I didnt say how
L153[04:47:12] <Mic​hiyo> Except the part that literally tells you how
L154[04:47:13] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I just put in the sound name and it gave me a bunch of text errors
L155[04:47:32] <DiamondC​reeper_6> followed the exact example
L156[04:47:39] <Forec​aster> Not the text errors!
L157[04:47:48] <Forec​aster> Those are the worst!
L158[04:48:18] <Mic​hiyo> Crystal Ball is in the ship, if you want help with errors post then
L159[04:48:20] <Mic​hiyo> Them..
L160[04:48:25] <Mic​hiyo> Also I'm cooking sooooo
L161[04:48:43] <DiamondC​reeper_6> do I just send a screenshot then
L162[04:50:01] <Mic​hiyo> No, I want you to painstakingly perfectly type out exactly the error message.
L163[04:50:07] <Mic​hiyo> Or, yes, screenshot
L164[04:50:12] <Mic​hiyo> Ya know which ever is easier
L165[04:50:42] <DiamondC​reeper_6> https://tinyurl.com/2zcxjytj
L166[04:51:10] <DiamondC​reeper_6> this is all i get
L167[04:51:37] <Mic​hiyo> Did you *actually* follow *exactly* what it says on the wiki?
L168[04:51:47] <Mic​hiyo> Ya know.... EXACTLY?
L169[04:52:01] <DiamondC​reeper_6> do i need to put in the sound name in between the ""?
L170[04:52:04] <Mic​hiyo> alarm.setAlarm("klaxon2")
L171[04:52:10] <Mic​hiyo> Idk.. what looks different?
L172[04:52:24] <Mic​hiyo> Also the error says it wants a string
L173[04:52:31] <Mic​hiyo> And you gave it nothing
L174[04:52:51] <Mic​hiyo> Because you told it to get the value of the variable klaxon2... which I'm assuming doesn't exist?
L175[04:57:36] <Forec​aster> This is painful to watch
L176[04:58:55] <DiamondC​reeper_6> fixed it
L177[04:59:05] <DiamondC​reeper_6> now time to add the custom alarm sounds!
L178[05:00:14] <Mic​hiyo> I'm 90% sure it can only do ogg, as it uses the default minecraft audio system
L179[05:00:33] <Mic​hiyo> I cant find the code that adds the sounds to the hash map on my phone though
L180[05:00:40] <DiamondC​reeper_6> just used a mp3 to ogg converter to convert the sound file to a ogg file
L181[05:06:18] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I have 182 mods loaded! 😈
L182[05:12:37] <Forec​aster> I'm not sure why that's relevant
L183[05:13:42] <Forec​aster> %sip
L184[05:13:43] <MichiBot> You drink a safe automato potion (New!). Forecaster turns into a grathnode platypus girl until they see a bird.
L185[05:13:58] <Forec​aster> Time to go bird watching
L186[05:23:09] <DiamondC​reeper_6> so what is your healpful tip on how to find a radio station stream thats an mp3
L187[05:30:39] <Forec​aster> google
L188[05:40:25] <DiamondC​reeper_6> google didnt help me for shit unfortunately
L189[05:41:11] <Forec​aster> google harder!
L190[05:41:16] <Mic​hiyo> Find a site that list streams.... then see if they are ogg/mp3 or other. I'm not going to do the work for you.
L191[05:41:48] <Mic​hiyo> download something like VLC or whatever, plug the stream URL into it, check the codec info it'll tell you what it is
L192[05:45:28] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Forecaster: google harder!
L193[05:45:28] <DiamondC​reeper_6> still never helps!!
L194[05:45:43] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Michiyo: download something like VLC or whatever, plug the stream URL into it, check the cod…
L195[05:45:43] <DiamondC​reeper_6> alright! will do!
L196[05:46:09] <Forec​aster> never? I guess we can throw google away then, it's useless
L197[05:46:46] <DiamondC​reeper_6> I tried googling dubstep radio station streams and all it did is give me garbage sites
L198[05:47:20] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Michiyo: If the link I posted works then https://dir.xiph.org/ you can right click the "Play…
L199[05:47:20] <DiamondC​reeper_6> that dont lead me to links like this
L200[05:49:08] <DiamondC​reeper_6> is https://www.internet-radio.com/stations/dubstep/ a good website to find OGGs and MP3s?
L201[05:50:13] <DiamondC​reeper_6> also sorry to ping you twice Michiyo Xd
L202[05:50:19] ⇦ Quits: Michiyo (~Michiyo@50.39.216.251) (Quit: Leaving)
L203[05:50:33] <Mic​hiyo> I'm just going to kill Discord and IRC, so no worries...
L204[05:50:41] <DiamondC​reeper_6> what is IRC?
L205[05:50:46] <CompanionCube> lol
L206[05:51:00] <Forec​aster> it's a shame we got rid of google
L207[05:51:08] <DiamondC​reeper_6> sorry im brain dead atm
L208[05:52:29] <Forec​aster> I'm always braindead, but I don't let that stop me from kickflipping off of cliffs
L209[05:52:48] <DiamondC​reeper_6> XD
L210[05:52:57] <DiamondC​reeper_6> you gonna die from that
L211[05:53:06] <DiamondC​reeper_6> because of fall damage
L212[05:53:41] <DiamondC​reeper_6> and why are you gonna kill discord!?
L213[05:53:49] <DiamondC​reeper_6> Michiyo?
L214[05:53:57] <Forec​aster> she's already left...
L215[05:54:23] <DiamondC​reeper_6> she quit admin?
L216[05:54:28] <DiamondC​reeper_6> 😓
L217[05:54:34] <Forec​aster> ...no
L218[05:54:40] <Forec​aster> she closed discord
L219[05:54:52] <DiamondC​reeper_6> ah
L220[05:55:21] <DiamondC​reeper_6> so what charactor is your pfp from?
L221[05:55:40] <Forec​aster> I dunno, some thing or something
L222[05:55:46] <DiamondC​reeper_6> damn
L223[05:56:04] <DiamondC​reeper_6> guess i shall copy the image and use google lens
L224[05:56:17] <DiamondC​reeper_6> to find out
L225[05:57:29] <DiamondC​reeper_6> damn it
L226[05:57:35] <DiamondC​reeper_6> it didnt save the actual image
L227[06:03:02] <Forec​aster> unfortunate
L228[07:24:38] <DiamondC​reeper_6> >Forecaster: unfortunate
L229[07:24:39] <DiamondC​reeper_6> do you have the link to the image?
L230[07:24:59] <Forec​aster> nope
L231[07:35:54] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L232[07:35:54] <MichiBot> Yippee! Compan​ionCube! You beat walksanato​r. B⃢ot.'s previous record of 5 hours, 1 minute and 47 seconds (By 35 minutes and 20 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L233[07:35:55] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.480415. Position #2 => #1 (Overtook Forecaster)
L234[07:36:29] <CompanionCube> %drink
L235[07:36:29] <MichiBot> You drink an endless red potion (New!). CompanionCube's nails turn the color of octiron until they have a tan potion.
L236[07:36:34] <CompanionCube> I see.
L237[07:39:00] <Forec​aster> I'll help! %splash CompanionCube tan
L238[07:39:00] <MichiBot> You fling an oxidised tan potion (New!) that splashes onto CompanionCube. Sitting down suddenly seems like a really terrible idea.
L239[08:15:10] <Va​ur> %sip
L240[08:15:10] <MichiBot> You drink a forked radiation potion (New!). Vaur's toes turn invisible for 10 moons.
L241[09:01:10] ⇨ Joins: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p200300eaef0baf86cd7b58e33264a48c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
L242[09:01:10] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L243[11:35:26] <Agitate​d Alice> Hmm, my friend who has zero interest in minecraft has suddenly taken an interest in figuring out if we can hook into forge through JNI because i was sad over not being able to write minecraft mods with C
L244[11:36:06] <Agitate​d Alice> %drink
L245[11:36:06] <MichiBot> You drink a dull oculemon potion (New!). Wheels are briefly square.
L246[11:36:15] <Agitate​d Alice> hey thats just minecraft wtf
L247[11:55:17] <Forec​aster> now now, no need to become agitated
L248[11:55:24] <Forec​aster> besides, minecraft has round wheels
L249[11:55:45] <Redston​eParkour> thats def possible, as oc uses an external dll for lua
L250[12:05:53] <Amanda> A mod in JNI would be extremely slow. The java <-> C translation is expensive
L251[12:07:12] <Amanda> Also I'm pretty sure you'd still need to write some java for it
L252[12:09:18] * Amanda meows and looks around, wonders who took all her blankets
L253[12:09:33] <Forec​aster> it was the blanket gremlins!
L254[12:10:11] <Amanda> Damn blanket gremlins, I thought we had a deal, they're supposed to steal @Inari's blankets instead of mine!
L255[12:14:29] <Forec​aster> yes, how strange that they broke that agreement...
L256[12:14:39] <Forec​aster> it can't have been because someone bribed them or anything
L257[12:14:51] * Amanda eyes Forecaster suspiciously
L258[12:17:37] <Forec​aster> %sip 's nonchalantly
L259[12:17:37] <MichiBot> You drink a warm octiron potion (New!). Forecaster turns into a sheep bear until they steal the moon.
L260[12:17:46] <Forec​aster> dangit MichiBot
L261[12:26:37] <Agitate​d Alice> >Amanda: A mod in JNI would be extremely slow. The java <-> C translation is expensive
L262[12:26:38] <Agitate​d Alice> hmm thanks skynet you are right on that one
L263[12:26:43] <Agitate​d Alice> i should just learn java really
L264[12:26:56] <Agitate​d Alice> how hard is it even if i already know c++
L265[12:27:10] <Agitate​d Alice> i just remember 4 digit character count hello world and never looking further into it
L266[12:27:12] <Forec​aster> sounds like some famous last words
L267[12:27:24] <Forec​aster> it was nice knowing you
L268[12:27:31] <Amanda> cout << "HEllo world"?
L269[12:28:04] <Agitate​d Alice> std::cout << "Hello World!\n";
L270[12:29:02] <Agitate​d Alice> but java is like you gotta write the entire new testament to get to the right context where you can then write a lengthy tangly thing that looks like an object pointer object pointer dereference to print hello world, or at least i remember it like that,
L271[12:29:30] <Izzy> welcome to OOP hell
L272[12:31:40] <Agitate​d Alice> my own oop in c++ never gets that stanky but i also do least possible moving parts type engineering so that probably part of the reason
L273[12:32:05] <Izzy> you know you've entered OOP hell when an IDE is no longer recommended, but rather required
L274[12:34:22] <Amanda> To be fair, there's a few LSPs for stuff that used to require an IDE
L275[12:34:39] <Amanda> I think Kotlin has one, and I think the eclipse foundation is maintaining one for java
L276[12:36:11] <Amanda> Microsoft maintains one for c#
L277[12:36:25] * Saphire pats Izzy
L278[12:36:49] <Izzy> require in this context meaning along the lines of "while technically possible, not practical to edit in a 'plain' text editor"
L279[12:37:20] <Saphire> I am really unsure of a scenario where you want to honestly constantly program a language in a plain text editor?
L280[12:37:24] <Amanda> I wrote a fair but of SE scripts in nvim using omnisharp
L281[12:37:52] <Izzy> my vimrc is three lines
L282[12:38:03] <Saphire> ...how?
L283[12:38:35] <Amanda> Need to use an older version of omnisharp though, Microsoft ripped out the compat for MSBuild as "legacy" ( even though new projects is visual studio still use it )
L284[12:38:38] <Izzy> syntax on, dumb autoindent, and hybrid absolute/relative line numbers
L285[12:39:30] <Izzy> this has more than suited my needs
L286[12:41:18] <Izzy> oh, 4 lines on my laptop, because I have a keybind to look up the definition of a word under the cursor
L287[12:43:06] <Izzy> maybe it's because I mostly write lua and bash so I don't need to check docs often
L288[12:43:25] <Izzy> but if more than that is required to be productive maybe it's overcomplicated
L289[12:43:27] <Izzy> food for thought
L290[12:45:21] <Forec​aster> I *am* getting hungry...
L291[12:45:36] <Izzy> coming for brains, huh
L292[12:45:42] <Izzy> well you won't find any here!
L293[12:45:45] * Izzy cackles into the distance
L294[12:46:33] <Agitate​d Alice> >Saphire: I am really unsure of a scenario where you want to honestly constantly program a …
L295[12:46:33] <Agitate​d Alice> Well I do that, and its a thing programmers of my breed do
L296[12:46:48] <Agitate​d Alice> like my development environment is Notepad++ and an open bash terminal for MSYS2
L297[12:47:12] <Forec​aster> I code pretty much everything in IDEA nowadays
L298[12:48:09] <Agitate​d Alice> I used to do IDE's but when setting up a build target for linux took me 2 days of debugging and zero help from google, manually editing the files in a text editor, then it just ignoring and discarding that
L299[12:48:40] <Agitate​d Alice> i realized it was faster to just uninstall the IDE, get a terminal up and write the command to build myself
L300[12:49:20] <Izzy> I managed to build a C# rimworld mod on linux the other day, felt very clever
L301[12:49:25] <Agitate​d Alice> and if you know your shellscript and cmake you can do some absolutely magical stuff that I havent seen a single IDE pull off flawlessly or with the same degree of control
L302[12:49:28] <Izzy> (I just had to fix the paths and run msbuild)
L303[12:50:07] <Forec​aster> I mainly use python scripts to deploy and assemble various things as needed
L304[12:53:27] <Agitate​d Alice> Eitherway as I always feel the need to emphasize: There is nothing wrong with your language of choice and editor of choice, whether its java or C# with some IDE or if you are chuck moore typing in forth on a micro with a chorded keyboard
L305[12:54:00] <Forec​aster> what, no no, whatever everyone else does is wrong
L306[12:54:11] <Forec​aster> even if they do the same thing you do they're somehow doing it wrong
L307[12:54:41] <Agitate​d Alice> Ive gotten piled up on for saying I dont use rust because I personally cant stomach the syntax of it, so I always include that.
L308[12:55:01] <Agitate​d Alice> oh wait yeah i forgot, gotta keep up my quota of hindpart hattery
L309[12:55:02] <Forec​aster> I haven't even looked at rust
L310[12:55:05] <Agitate​d Alice> good
L311[12:55:14] <Agitate​d Alice> its a memetic hazard, it acts like one at least
L312[12:55:43] <Forec​aster> I know Python, Javascript, PHP, Java, C# and Lua
L313[12:55:56] <Agitate​d Alice> and those are career languages right there
L314[12:56:18] <Forec​aster> I've yet to have a reason to use anything else, unless you count whatever the stuff AutoHotkey uses is
L315[12:56:33] <Izzy> that's whatcha call a domain specific language
L316[12:56:47] <Izzy> probably I've never used AHK
L317[12:57:08] <Forec​aster> it's based on something but I forget what
L318[12:57:25] <Forec​aster> Lisp?
L319[12:57:26] <Forec​aster> maybe
L320[12:57:42] <Agitate​d Alice> hmm i cant think of anything but forth but that is because forth basically becomes a domain/problem specific language as you write out words for the application
L321[12:57:51] <Agitate​d Alice> lisp or forth yeah they are kinda related
L322[12:57:54] <Agitate​d Alice> (kinda)
L323[12:58:06] <Forec​aster> oh, and I know Rapid
L324[13:03:15] <Amanda> I don't think I could even iterate on all the languages I know. I'm a serial polyglot
L325[13:04:11] <Izzy> I try not to know
L326[13:04:18] <Izzy> I hate programming, computers are evil
L327[13:04:23] * Izzy applies for another computer job
L328[13:04:37] <Forec​aster> but if you can't beat em, join em
L329[13:04:42] <Amanda> my brain has a rather easy time taking sutff from one language and converting it into another language's syntax
L330[13:05:02] <Amanda> Shame human languages don't work that logically
L331[13:08:27] <Forec​aster> that's because they weren't made by programmers
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L409[13:38:33] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L410[13:38:33] <MichiBot> Awesome! Forec​aster! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 6 hours, 2 minutes and 39 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L411[13:38:34] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 6 hours, 2 minutes and 39 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00604 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook CompanionCube)
L412[14:00:59] <ThePi​Guy24> >Saphire: I am really unsure of a scenario where you want to honestly constantly progra…
L413[14:01:00] <ThePi​Guy24> my dev environment is literally just tmux with nano in one pane, and a terminal to run the program in another ;3
L414[14:02:42] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Please tell me you at least have syntax highlighting
L415[14:20:25] <ThePi​Guy24> yes, usually
L416[14:24:33] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Lol Idk how I'd function without syntax highlighting and autocomplete
L417[14:26:20] <ThePi​Guy24> i find autocomplete more often than not causes problems for me, usually doing something i dont expect or want
L418[14:27:52] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> VSCode's autocomplete lets me tab through stuff like method params which is super handy
L419[14:56:31] <Kristo​pher38> maybe someone here knows
L420[14:57:14] <Kristo​pher38> how can I *disable* autocomplete in C/python/whatever in vscode while retaining all the other useful stuff like jumping to definitions and whatnot
L421[14:57:50] <Kristo​pher38> i find it distracting and more often than not it's suggesting not the thing i want so i have to use extra effort to cancel the autocomplete
L422[15:49:02] <TechT​astic> I love IntelliSense
L423[15:49:02] <TechT​astic> If I'm lacking the info I just test various "it could be in this class", put a dot, and just scroll through the methods that come up
L424[15:49:03] <TechT​astic> I honestly *should* learn to read documentation proper but it has worked out so far
L425[15:50:50] <TechT​astic> And about the guy wanting to use C to make a mod, there is another mod in a semi-similar vein that uses a C++ physics engine in Minecraft via about 2 layers between the engine itself and Forge/Fabric
L426[15:51:30] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Isn't that VS2?
L427[15:51:47] <Va​ur> %sip
L428[15:51:47] <MichiBot> You drink an eroded unobtanium potion (New!). Vaur's skin turn the color of octiron until they stop thinking about it.
L429[15:54:37] <TechT​astic> Yep
L430[15:55:46] <TechT​astic> Krunch (closed source C++ physics engine)
L431[15:55:46] <TechT​astic> Vs Core (version agnostic API and hooks into Krunch)
L432[15:55:46] <TechT​astic> VS2 (abstraction layer between VS Core and Forge/Fabric)
L433[16:38:47] <Amanda> %oclogs
L434[16:38:47] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/?dir=logs/%23oc
L435[16:40:29] <TechT​astic> %tonk
L436[16:40:30] <MichiBot> I'm sorry TechTastic, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 6 hours, 2 minutes and 39 seconds this time. 3 hours, 1 minute and 56 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours and 42 seconds!
L437[17:27:33] <Va​ur> %sip
L438[17:27:33] <MichiBot> You drink a runny tuna potion (New!). It tastes sweet.
L439[17:27:53] <Forec​aster> Sweet runny tuna batman!
L440[18:20:34] <Forec​aster> %sip
L441[18:20:34] <MichiBot> You drink a dusty currentcorn potion (New!). Forecaster's hair grows 3 times longer until they have a grathnode potion.
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L443[18:56:46] <Va​ur> %sip
L444[18:56:46] <MichiBot> You drink a robust toxictop potion (New!). Vaur feels the need to smash. (%smash)
L445[18:56:52] <Va​ur> %smash
L446[18:56:52] <MichiBot> Vaur smashes a pot. 1 large blue gem of some sort fell out.
L447[18:57:07] <Va​ur> throw it into lava !
L448[18:57:32] <Forec​aster> Why'd you throw away free money?!
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L450[20:16:21] <Va​ur> >Forecaster: Why'd you throw away free money?!
L451[20:16:22] <Va​ur> it's not money its useless blue rocks !
L452[20:23:50] <Forec​aster> It's not worthless, a blue rupee is worth 5!
L453[20:42:30] <Amanda> worth five-factorial?
L454[20:45:34] <Amanda> five-factorial what though
L455[20:45:50] <Amanda> %choose space or infinite space or 2d space or continue staring at an empty editor window
L456[20:45:50] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Some "space" sounds nice
L457[20:55:26] <Va​ur> %sip
L458[20:55:26] <MichiBot> You drink a tiny iron potion (New!). Vaur knows the exact location of a particular molecule of oxygen for 29 seconds.
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L461[21:01:19] *** Amanda_ is now known as Amanda
L462[21:02:41] <Amanda> %choose comfort or utility
L463[21:02:41] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: The proof is in the pudding. Definitely "comfort". Hm, this is surprisingly good...
L464[21:49:43] <walksanato​r. B⃢ot.> %tonk
L465[21:49:43] <MichiBot> I'm sorry walksanator. B⃢ot., you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 6 hours, 2 minutes and 39 seconds this time. 5 hours, 9 minutes and 13 seconds were wasted! Missed by 53 minutes and 25 seconds!
L466[21:51:09] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Welp
L467[21:51:11] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Gg
L468[21:52:10] <ThePi​Guy24> discord users really dont have much of an excuse for mistonking
L469[21:52:37] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Yeah
L470[21:52:47] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Missed it by a whole hour too
L471[21:53:17] <ThePi​Guy24> you can literally just search for tonk in the channel and find all occurences of it
L472[21:55:05] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Yup
L473[22:02:33] <Mic​hiyo> IRC users don't either, with the log page, and now, much faster searching
L474[22:05:49] <Va​ur> >ThePiGuy24: you can literally just search for tonk in the channel and find all occu…
L475[22:05:49] <Va​ur> yeah but no, discord search is shit
L476[22:06:00] <Va​ur> its not listing all occurance of tonk ...
L477[22:07:30] <Mic​hiyo> Hmm, maybe I should add a date range option to the search on the log site.. searching tonk takes a good bit because of the number of occurrences
L478[22:13:42] <raha​raga> What's up dudes, anybody around for a quick question?
L479[22:15:09] <ThePi​Guy24> dont ask to ask, just ask
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