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L7[03:05:24] <Amanda> Elfi~ @Inari stole the chapters for the story in reading!
L8[03:05:41] <Amanda> Anyways, who hit fast forward
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L11[04:17:18] * Amanda looks up again, sees the foxen hit fast forward again, grumbles and turns into a pile of floof by elfi for a heccen zzzpurr
L12[05:30:35] <Forec​aster> %sip
L13[05:30:36] <MichiBot> You drink a boiling iron potion (New!). Forecaster: Nothing seemed to happen...
L14[05:30:43] <Forec​aster> Aww
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L20[07:37:43] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L21[07:37:44] <MichiBot> Woah! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 6 hours, 58 minutes and 58 seconds (By 48 minutes and 35 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L22[07:37:45] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 7 hours, 47 minutes and 34 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00567 (0.00081 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.05581152 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L25[11:11:29] * Amanda meows and looks around
L26[11:14:34] <Forec​aster> The nerve!
L27[11:18:13] <Amanda> %bite Forecaster
L28[11:18:13] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is trying to bite Forec​aster! They have 5 minutes if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
L29[11:18:15] <MichiBot> Amanda is biting Forecaster for 1d6 => 1 damage!
L30[11:20:48] * Amanda offers Elfi some meowning snackies, curls up to protecc and read to her
L31[12:06:12] <Dee​(H)> Hello, I'd like to ask what's the problem here https://tinyurl.com/2q5llead
L32[12:08:15] <Redston​eParkour> that already looks like some mod integration issue. Can you post the code of the program here?
L33[12:11:01] <Dee​(H)> How can I copy the code?
L34[12:13:57] <Redston​eParkour> Well uhh... best thing you can do is opening the hard disk folder with an external file manager and from there just uploading the file as an attachment
L35[12:16:37] <Redston​eParkour> Said folder is in your world directory, under opencomputers/*x*, where *x* would be replaced with the full address of the HDD
L36[12:19:49] <Dee​(H)> There are only commands in it like "edit.lua", "rm.lua", "mount.lua", etc.
L37[12:20:11] <Dee​(H)> Oh wait nvm
L38[12:20:13] <Dee​(H)> wrong folder
L39[12:20:21] <Dee​(H)> https://tinyurl.com/2dwnlks5
L40[12:20:27] <Dee​(H)> this is the command file
L41[12:24:35] <Redston​eParkour> ok this is weird
L42[12:26:50] <Amanda> What version of java are you using?
L43[12:27:50] <Dee​(H)> It says I have the latest java
L44[12:28:03] <Amanda> er, what verion of Lua I meant
L45[12:28:15] <Dee​(H)> How can I check that?
L46[12:28:22] <Amanda> in the lua commandline enter _VERSION
L47[12:32:23] <Forec​aster> Ow D:
L48[12:35:51] <Dee​(H)> Like this? https://tinyurl.com/2m9uzydh
L49[12:36:09] <Amanda> the lua shell, not the regular shell
L50[12:36:18] <Dee​(H)> Oh
L51[12:36:22] <Dee​(H)> How can I do that?
L52[12:36:41] <Amanda> type "lua" then enter _VERSION
L53[12:37:11] <Dee​(H)> https://tinyurl.com/2qlbuozc
L54[12:37:19] * Amanda sighs
L55[12:37:32] <Amanda> lua, newline, _VERSION
L56[12:37:37] <Amanda> not one line
L57[12:37:51] <Dee​(H)> Oh
L58[12:37:52] <Dee​(H)> My bad
L59[12:37:59] <Dee​(H)> It says Lua 5.3
L60[12:39:54] <Redston​eParkour> Switch to Lua 5.2 as that doesn't have the issue
L61[12:41:10] <Dee​(H)> Thank you all
L62[12:54:29] <Redston​eParkour> It appears to have already been fixed in a later dev build
L63[12:56:29] <Dee​(H)> Oh
L64[13:39:04] <Amanda> %choose waves or halucinate
L65[13:39:04] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Out of these two choices? I'd say "halucinate".
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L69[14:20:37] <luna​r_sam> https://tinyurl.com/2jlt3gmx
L70[14:20:45] <luna​r_sam> @Ariri Izaya: I'm working on it again
L71[14:20:56] <luna​r_sam> got a minor fix in the code, and some ease of use stuff for later
L72[14:21:22] <luna​r_sam> basically just made it easier for me to add all kinds of different variations of items :P
L73[14:53:36] <Ar​iri> ooo
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L75[14:57:01] <AR2​000> @Ariri what is it ?
L76[14:58:27] <AR2​000> What is ossm ?
L77[14:58:50] <AR2​000> @lunar_sam what is it?
L78[15:00:21] <luna​r_sam> opensolidstate
L79[15:00:33] <luna​r_sam> currently only adds (E)EPROM cards
L80[15:00:48] <luna​r_sam> which i vaguely remember abusing when we had them on Ariri's server
L81[15:01:06] <luna​r_sam> also now it Should(tm) not crash when adding the romfs bios
L82[15:02:18] <lunar_sam> since it now uses `Class.getResourceAsStream` instead of `resourceManager.getResource`
L83[15:03:14] <lunar_sam> _also_ artifacts should now show in the github repo's actions
L84[15:05:01] <lunar_sam> ahhhhh it didn't work correctly
L85[15:05:31] <lunar_sam> well at least it doesn't crash now
L86[15:09:35] <AR2​000> >lunar_sam: also now it Should(tm) not crash when adding the romfs bios
L87[15:09:35] <AR2​000> Nice. Embeded devices with a PROM instead of a hdd. Maybe you could make it compatible with the microcontroller drones and robot as a cheaper alternative to hdd
L88[15:09:54] <lunar_sam> it should work in 'em
L89[15:10:00] <lunar_sam> it's just a card
L90[15:10:23] <AR2​000> Nice
L91[15:11:37] <lunar_sam> https://xmpp.404.city:5280/usershare/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/VhietewKPIEuDzzL2Ji25BOjMxvay7I9ezcjuV3W/2022-10-17_11.04.30.png
L92[15:11:48] <AR2​000> Is there a programmer block to connect one to a PC ? Since it's a card it would take a slot in the computer and they are few.
L93[15:12:06] <lunar_sam> you just
L94[15:12:10] <lunar_sam> connect it in the PC
L95[15:12:11] <lunar_sam> program it
L96[15:12:14] <lunar_sam> take it out
L97[15:12:17] <lunar_sam> put it in the robot
L98[15:12:41] <lunar_sam> also T1 isn't electronically erasable but since i don't know how to make items not despawn all you have to do is run it through the assembler :P
L99[15:13:03] <lunar_sam> if i could figure out how to stop an item from despawning, i might make it so you need to leave it in the sun to wipe it :P
L100[15:13:05] <AR2​000> I'm just used to having gpuT3, network, data and internet card in a srv
L101[15:13:13] <lunar_sam> i mean
L102[15:13:16] <lunar_sam> you can remove one
L103[15:13:18] <lunar_sam> just to flash the card
L104[15:13:56] <AR2​000> Yeah.
L105[15:15:00] <AR2​000> I just thought since it's storage, having it in a hdd slot could make sense. Maybe a variant a little more expensive.
L106[15:15:22] <AR2​000> IRL you can use a ssd in the same place as a hdd
L107[15:15:24] <lunar_sam> there is such a thing
L108[15:15:29] <lunar_sam> also it's not an SSD!!!!!!
L109[15:15:43] <lunar_sam> it's only 64k or 128k
L110[15:15:54] <lunar_sam> and the T1 version isn't even electronically erasable
L111[15:16:07] <lunar_sam> and the other two can only be fully erased
L112[15:16:09] <lunar_sam> not erased by block
L113[15:17:50] <AR2​000> Do you have a unmanaged EEPROM ? The one that goes in the bios slot ?
L114[15:17:50] <AR2​000> That would fix the ||non existent|| issue
L115[15:18:16] <lunar_sam> the idea is you write it once and you can use it to store a more complicated program than you could on just the normal EEPROM
L116[15:18:23] <lunar_sam> is the normal EEPROM not already unmanaged?
L117[15:18:59] <lunar_sam> i made the EEPROM cards for a very specific purpose and that was flashing an archive to it and booting an OS off of that :P
L118[15:19:05] <AR2​000> >lunar_sam: is the normal EEPROM not already unmanaged?
L119[15:19:05] <AR2​000> It can store one file / string. 2 to be exact. You don't have to bother with sectors
L120[15:19:38] <lunar_sam> it let me do more complex stuff with drones and uCs
L121[15:19:45] <AR2​000> The 2nd "file" can be used to store datas like config and program state but is way smaller
L122[15:20:33] <lunar_sam> i mean yeah
L123[15:22:25] <AR2​000> Anyway, nice project
L124[15:22:25] <AR2​000> ||I'm just a idiot who will probably never use this mod anyway so feel free to ignore me||
L125[15:23:35] <AR2​000> For the item despawn issue, check if you can lie on the time it got dropped. I saw a vid about wireless redstone abusing this value
L126[15:23:39] <lunar_sam> i'm gonna be working out SoCs soon
L127[15:23:56] <lunar_sam> basically just a CPU you can cram a card and some RAM in
L128[15:23:56] <Izaya> the real reason the mod exists is because I kept complaining about the unreliability of netbooting PsychOS on drones
L129[15:24:08] <lunar_sam> more or less
L130[15:24:22] <lunar_sam> Izaya: psychos on chip
L131[15:24:25] <lunar_sam> :P
L132[15:24:32] <Izaya> could one consider that the
L133[15:24:36] * Izaya clears throat
L134[15:24:39] <Izaya> psyche processor?
L135[15:24:43] <lunar_sam> heh
L136[15:24:51] <lunar_sam> ya got a giggle out of me on that
L137[15:25:04] <Izaya> a joke a decade in the making
L138[15:25:15] <AR2​000> >lunar_sam: basically just a CPU you can cram a card and some RAM in
L139[15:25:15] <AR2​000> A microcontroller. Like the esp or Arduino that have i2c and serial integrated plus ram and storage
L140[15:25:47] <lunar_sam> i mean, i guess?
L141[15:25:49] <lunar_sam> it's moreso
L142[15:25:58] <lunar_sam> you can have many of the components you'd want in a system
L143[15:26:12] <AR2​000> Yep.
L144[15:26:13] <lunar_sam> in a single CPU so you can have even more components
L145[15:26:18] <lunar_sam> _but_
L146[15:26:45] <lunar_sam> i'm not sure how i'm gonna balance it yet
L147[15:26:48] <lunar_sam> lol
L148[15:27:13] <lunar_sam> on one hand, i want it usable on uCs and drones
L149[15:27:21] <lunar_sam> on the other hand, it would be really nice for tablets
L150[15:27:35] <lunar_sam> where i could just make it so the CPU tier is (item tier)-1
L151[15:27:36] <AR2​000> But there need to be a compromise.
L152[15:27:36] <AR2​000> Get half the ram/storage of the used component ? Slower component calls to the integrated cards
L153[15:28:32] <AR2​000> >lunar_sam: where i could just make it so the CPU tier is (item tier)-1
L154[15:28:32] <AR2​000> (max item tier)-1
L155[15:28:32] <AR2​000> Only T1 and T2 card
L156[15:28:52] <lunar_sam> i mean, yeah
L157[15:29:05] <lunar_sam> either that or give it a very low max complexity
L158[15:29:16] <lunar_sam> so if you want that T3 card you can't have any extra RAM
L159[15:29:22] <lunar_sam> and you can't have any other cards
L160[15:29:49] <AR2​000> Max complexity depends on the base cpu
L161[15:30:31] <AR2​000> If you do that, you could remake the APU's recipe
L162[15:30:55] <lunar_sam> yeah, it's kinda the idea that it's the more customizable cousin of the APU
L163[15:31:04] <AR2​000> I would really be interested in a CPU with integrated T3 data card
L164[15:31:50] <AR2​000> I use the data card a lot in my banking system. Mostly server side because of the need for a card
L165[15:32:19] <AR2​000> But being able to put it in the CPU, even if slower would be nice
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L168[16:03:06] <Va​ur> %sip
L169[16:03:07] <MichiBot> You drink a powdery coral potion (New!). Vaur grows whiskers until they have a woolly emerald potion.
L170[16:04:26] <Dee​(H)> Is it possible to make chatbot with open computers?
L171[16:04:30] <Dee​(H)> If so, how?
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L175[16:14:55] <Ocawes​ome101> i feel like if anything the stuff in the SoC should be _faster_
L176[16:17:58] <S​ky> %sip
L177[16:17:58] <MichiBot> You drink a resonating automato potion (New!). As Sky drinks the potion they become the target of a wad of llama spit! They fail to evade it with a 6 vs DC 12 and takes 1d​4 => 3 damage.
L178[16:24:05] <Va​ur> >Dee(H): Is it possible to make chatbot with open computers?
L179[16:24:05] <Va​ur> what kind of chatbot ?
L180[16:27:07] <lunar_sam> aaaa all i want to do is get the OC settings object
L181[16:27:09] <lunar_sam> brain hurty
L182[16:31:59] <lunar_sam> i will just go to bed
L183[16:32:00] <lunar_sam> deal with this later
L184[16:32:22] <lunar_sam> (tomorrow)
L185[16:34:55] <lunar_sam> though at least i know how i'll do SoCs now :P
L186[16:37:43] <lunar_sam> i really wish the 1.12 forge docs weren't fucking GONE
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L188[16:40:28] <lunar_sam> anyways
L189[16:40:30] <lunar_sam> i'm off to bed
L190[16:40:35] <lunar_sam> i actually wrote something today
L191[16:40:37] <lunar_sam> yippie
L192[16:42:39] <lunar_sam> tomorrow i get to figure out item capabilities and getting the OC config
L193[16:44:43] <AR2​000> i have a suggestion : programmable card. You craft it with a eeprom, and it exposes methods a computer can use.
L194[16:44:43] <AR2​000> In practice you could use it for things like a SIM, TPM or other small things
L195[16:45:44] <lunar_sam> i was gonna make a microncontroller on a card
L196[16:46:02] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> OpenSecurity was supposed to get smart cards that did that, but they never happened :/
L197[16:46:25] <lunar_sam> lol
L198[16:46:31] <lunar_sam> i'm in a programming mood again
L199[16:46:35] <lunar_sam> might make cool stuff
L200[16:46:42] <lunar_sam> working my way up to the uberhard GPU
L201[16:49:19] <lunar_sam> i'm thinking i'll probably just pass around the "VRAM" state when the computer with said GPU is first loaded and then just send deltas
L202[16:49:34] <lunar_sam> how to render onto existing screens is probably gonna be the hard part
L203[16:49:39] <lunar_sam> since i don't wanna reinvent the horse
L204[16:49:41] <lunar_sam> wheel
L205[16:49:46] <lunar_sam> reinvent the wheel
L206[16:51:05] <AR2​000> basic card (the crafting component) CPU t1, EEPROM, RAM T1 + other crafting items
L207[16:51:05] <AR2​000> The eeprom component would still be accessible from the inner program to store some datas like settings or id or updates / programming if not in read only
L208[16:51:06] <AR2​000> The card init method return a table with all methods and property (allow use of metatables)
L209[16:51:08] <AR2​000> uberhard GPU ?
L210[16:53:15] <lunar_sam> just gonna be a hell of a project
L211[16:53:44] <lunar_sam> also
L212[16:53:46] <lunar_sam> for the card
L213[16:53:54] <lunar_sam> it's just gonna be a "case" you put in an assembler
L214[16:54:28] <AR2​000> You should work together on the smart card / microcontroller on a card. They are almost the same thing
L215[16:54:38] <AR2​000> >lunar_sam: it's just gonna be a "case" you put in an assembler
L216[16:54:38] <AR2​000> That's a robot
L217[16:54:48] <lunar_sam> it's gonna be the same sort of thing
L218[16:54:49] <lunar_sam> just
L219[16:54:51] <lunar_sam> a card
L220[16:55:05] <AR2​000> maybe a card base in a assembler
L221[16:55:09] <lunar_sam> you put your CPU, RAM, and optional card (or two for the T3+ one)
L222[16:55:13] <lunar_sam> in the assembler
L223[16:55:15] <lunar_sam> get card out
L224[16:55:31] <lunar_sam> maybe if you put a battery in the upgrade slot it can stay on while the computer is off :P
L225[16:55:44] <AR2​000> + the eeprom for the prog the card run
L226[16:56:05] <lunar_sam> oh yeah
L227[16:56:07] <lunar_sam> the EEPROM
L228[16:56:14] <lunar_sam> also, for EEPROM flashing
L229[16:56:17] <lunar_sam> that's a DIY thing :P
L230[16:56:48] <lunar_sam> make your own protocol or w/e
L231[16:56:53] <AR2​000> you can do the same thing as for the drone. You can craft a finished drone with a eeprom to replaceit
L232[16:57:21] <lunar_sam> i'm just gonna give you a few different "pipes"
L233[16:57:29] <lunar_sam> oh yeah, i should make the EEPROM card but as an upgrade
L234[16:57:31] <lunar_sam> hm
L235[16:57:34] <lunar_sam> that could be neat
L236[16:57:45] <lunar_sam> was gonna do something similar with flash storage
L237[16:58:05] <AR2​000> EEPROM is flash
L238[16:58:05] <AR2​000> Don't make it more difficult than it need to be
L239[16:58:21] <lunar_sam> as in
L240[16:58:31] <lunar_sam> it'll emulate an unmanaged drive
L241[16:58:35] <lunar_sam> very small but very fast
L242[16:58:48] <AR2​000> Dont
L243[16:58:53] <lunar_sam> ???
L244[16:59:05] <lunar_sam> it'd just be an upgrade you could put in uCs, drones, tablets, etc
L245[16:59:06] <AR2​000> Why make thing more complicated than they need to be
L246[16:59:16] <AR2​000> Like you said : don't reinvent the wheel
L247[16:59:41] <AR2​000> Just use a EEPROM as the storage medium for the program and data. It can hold both already
L248[17:00:20] <lunar_sam> for
L249[17:00:21] <lunar_sam> more
L250[17:00:23] <lunar_sam> storage
L251[17:00:40] <lunar_sam> but in the case of _flash_ it'd be read/write on the block level
L252[17:00:48] <lunar_sam> the EEPROM card would be where you put an OS
L253[17:01:06] <lunar_sam> the flash would be where you store data for it
L254[17:01:22] <Na​dja> >AR2000: I use the data card a lot in my banking system. Mostly server side becau…
L255[17:01:22] <Na​dja> What for? :D
L256[17:01:26] <lunar_sam> the EEPROM can only fit like 10k of normal code once it's minified and compressed
L257[17:01:28] <AR2​000> Yeah, that would work. But just give it your prom then
L258[17:01:48] <lunar_sam> do not ask _why_ i know this by the way
L259[17:02:02] <AR2​000> >Nadja: What for? :D
L260[17:02:02] <AR2​000> Accounts files are AES encrypted and signed
L261[17:02:03] <AR2​000> The data on the debit cards are also signed by the srv
L262[17:02:04] <lunar_sam> Izaya and @Ocawesome101 know though :P
L263[17:02:09] <Forec​aster> you *should* reinvent the horse
L264[17:02:15] <Forec​aster> horses could be so much better
L265[17:02:32] <Na​dja> >AR2000: Accounts files are AES encrypted and signed
L266[17:02:32] <Na​dja> The data on the debit cards …
L267[17:02:32] <Na​dja> Wait data card has AES? Neat :D
L268[17:02:39] <AR2​000> https://tenor.com/view/epona-horses-zelda-glitch-video-games-gif-16109241
L269[17:03:22] <lunar_sam> anyways, flash vs eeprom thing would be
L270[17:03:23] <Forec​aster> hey now, Epona was best horse
L271[17:03:28] <AR2​000> >Nadja: Wait data card has AES? Neat :D
L272[17:03:29] <AR2​000> T2 have it
L273[17:03:29] <AR2​000> For signatures you need a T3
L274[17:03:29] <lunar_sam> i'm probably gonna be buffing the EEPROM
L275[17:03:58] <lunar_sam> T3 going to 256k, T1 and T2 going to 128k
L276[17:04:08] <AR2​000> T1 can do inflate/deflate compression, base64 decode/encode and crc32 md5 sha256
L277[17:04:14] <lunar_sam> (i really should just make a config lol)
L278[17:04:43] <Na​dja> Ah, I only remember the hashes and ECDH functionality from the data cards. But it makes sense ^^
L279[17:04:47] <AR2​000> >lunar_sam: i'm probably gonna be buffing the EEPROM
L280[17:04:48] <AR2​000> OpenSecurity have a config that let you write more data in the EEPROM when using the card writer to do it
L281[17:04:56] <lunar_sam> anyways, T1 flash would be 4K, T2 flash would be 8K, and T3 flash would be 16K
L282[17:05:02] <AR2​000> >Nadja: Ah, I only remember the hashes and ECDH functionality from the data cards…
L283[17:05:02] <AR2​000> ECHD is T3
L284[17:05:16] <lunar_sam> > <AR2​000> OpenSecurity have a config that let you write more data in the EEPROM when using the card writer to do it
L285[17:05:22] <lunar_sam> i mean the prom cards
L286[17:05:23] <AR2​000> https://ocdoc.cil.li/component:data
L287[17:05:24] <lunar_sam> lol
L288[17:06:05] <Na​dja> >AR2000: https://ocdoc.cil.li/component:data
L289[17:06:05] <Na​dja> I wrote parts of that wiki page. It has just been ages :P
L290[17:06:14] <AR2​000> lol
L291[17:06:31] <AR2​000> thx a lot for this page. it helped a lot
L292[17:06:55] <Na​dja> Not much, the real heros of the wiki were rarely in IRC :P
L293[17:07:20] <AR2​000> >Nadja: I wrote parts of that wiki page. It has just been ages :P
L294[17:07:20] <AR2​000> Maybe you can update this page : https://ocdoc.cil.li/component:modem
L295[17:07:20] <AR2​000> The `maxPacketSize()\ method doesn't exists anymore
L296[17:07:47] <lunar_sam> the idea with flash is that it'd be extremely fast read and writes but small and expensive, while EEPROMs are larger, cheaper, still have fast reads, but abysmally slow writes, and then there's HDDs which are middle of the road
L297[17:08:38] <Na​dja> >AR2000: Maybe you can update this page : https://ocdoc.cil.li/component:modem
L298[17:08:38] <Na​dja> Th…
L299[17:08:38] <Na​dja> I don't think my wiki account even exists anymore
L300[17:08:46] <AR2​000> >lunar_sam: the idea with flash is that it'd be extremely fast read and writes but sm…
L301[17:08:47] <AR2​000> stupid question : what is the limiting factor in OS regarding IO speed ? The HDD tier or the CPU tier ?
L302[17:08:57] <lunar_sam> yes
L303[17:09:12] <Na​dja> @Liizzii-chan Liz love, can you give me a new wiki account or is that somebody else's playground?
L304[17:09:16] <lunar_sam> it's both
L305[17:09:23] <Amanda> I think it's Sangar's playground?
L306[17:09:33] <Forec​aster> can't you just register one?
L307[17:09:39] <Forec​aster> I thought it was open
L308[17:09:47] <Na​dja> Since when do we have registration on the wiki?!
L309[17:09:49] <Na​dja> o.O
L310[17:10:01] <Forec​aster> since a very long time
L311[17:10:08] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> Since forever? https://ocdoc.cil.li/start?do=register
L312[17:10:11] <lunar_sam> lmao
L313[17:10:42] <AR2​000> Why does this field even exists ? https://tinyurl.com/2munvr45
L314[17:10:51] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> Anti bot
L315[17:10:52] <Na​dja> >🎃Michiyo🎃: Since forever? https://ocdoc.cil.li/start?do=register
L316[17:10:53] <Na​dja> Definitely not, my account had to be created by Snagar or Liz!
L317[17:10:57] <Na​dja> initial one
L318[17:11:01] <Na​dja> Back in yes long ago
L319[17:11:07] <Forec​aster> to trick people who refuse to follow instructions
L320[17:11:09] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> I've had an account since very early on, and I created it.
L321[17:11:48] <AR2​000> I should make one and do the edit myself, but english is not my native language, and my spelling is pretty bad
L322[17:12:05] <AR2​000> Unless there is a review feature I prefer to make comment and let other ppl do it
L323[17:12:10] <Na​dja> >AR2000: I should make one and do the edit myself, but english is not my native l…
L324[17:12:10] <Na​dja> I didn't notice. Can't be that bad
L325[17:12:13] <Forec​aster> Use spell check
L326[17:12:20] <lunar_sam> gonna be real with you, i didn't notice that english isn't your native language
L327[17:12:21] <Forec​aster> you'll probably be fine
L328[17:12:23] <lunar_sam> lmfao
L329[17:12:32] <Ocawes​ome101> ^ this
L330[17:12:40] <Amanda> @AR2000 I'm guessing what Michiyo said is the truth. It's labeld something that most spam bots will assume is required, and then the server can just check if it's != "" and shadowban the bots
L331[17:12:45] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> Shit, English *IS* my native language and I still screw it up.
L332[17:12:49] <AR2​000> >Nadja: I didn't notice. Can't be that bad
L333[17:12:49] <AR2​000> First time someone is telling me that. Is my English better than my French ?
L334[17:12:51] <Amanda> Me speak gud
L335[17:13:12] <Amanda> But I don't speak English, I speak AMERICAN!!!111oneoneone
L336[17:13:15] <Forec​aster> I on the other hand never make misteaks
L337[17:13:25] <AR2​000> Just make a CAPTCHA.
L338[17:13:25] <Lui​hum> English isn't actually my first language (I'm Brazilian) but I've come to using it so much I literally think in English
L339[17:13:30] <lunar_sam> mmm steaks
L340[17:13:38] <AR2​000> >Luihum: English isn't actually my first language (I'm Brazilian) but I've come to…
L341[17:13:38] <AR2​000> relatable
L342[17:13:46] <Amanda> @AR2000 why compromise privady, when that'll stop most stupid auto-spam wiki bots?
L343[17:13:50] <AR2​000> when you work in IT, you spend you time reading english
L344[17:14:15] <Na​dja> >AR2000: First time someone is telling me that. Is my English better than my Fren…
L345[17:14:15] <Na​dja> I never heard or read your french, so how would I know? :P
L346[17:14:25] <Liizzi​i-chan> >Nadja: <@125573811327205376> Liz love, can you give me a new wiki account or is that s…
L347[17:14:25] <Liizzi​i-chan> @Sangar
L348[17:14:30] <Forec​aster> >Luihum: English isn't actually my first language (I'm Brazilian) but I've come to usi…
L349[17:14:31] <Forec​aster> For me it is the result of recording YouTube videos for a number of years
L350[17:14:37] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> No need, registrations are a thing :P
L351[17:14:57] <Na​dja> >🎃Michiyo🎃: No need, registrations are a thing :P
L352[17:14:57] <Na​dja> Yes but annoying Snagar is a worthy cause in and of itself. >:D
L353[17:15:04] <AR2​000> >Amanda: <@256917157559009281> why compromise privady, when that'll stop most stup…
L354[17:15:04] <AR2​000> How does it compromise privacy ? Everything is anon and no data is saved (except the training data for img recognition)
L355[17:15:25] <Amanda> AR2000 I highly doubt that. It's google.
L356[17:15:26] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> Nothing is saved except the stuff that is!
L357[17:15:43] <Amanda> And I say this as a long-time google fangirl
L358[17:15:47] <AR2​000> And the stuff that is has nothing to do with the user
L359[17:16:06] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> Reminder, if a project/product is free, then you are the product.
L360[17:16:19] <Na​dja> >🎃Michiyo🎃: Reminder, if a project/product is free, then you are the product.
L361[17:16:20] <Na​dja> I'm the product for Linux? D:
L362[17:16:21] <Amanda> Also newer CAPTCHA does browser fingerprinting, to try and suss out bots, only falling back to img recognition as a second tier
L363[17:16:27] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> >Nadja: I'm the product for Linux? D:
L364[17:16:27] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> Yes.
L365[17:16:33] <Na​dja> Oh no :(
L366[17:16:51] <Amanda> nadja: Don't worry, You can read the privady policy at any time, just read all of /dev/zero!
L367[17:17:07] <AR2​000> > google track you, it save your location, ...
L368[17:17:07] <AR2​000> Don't be a idiot, go to your account setting, and disable everything.
L369[17:17:08] <AR2​000> Google assistant can't even work because I told google to stop saving everything. It doesn't know where I am
L370[17:17:10] <Forec​aster> I used to like the non-interaction ReCaptcha until I started having issues registering or similar for no reason because it decided I was suspicious
L371[17:17:11] <Na​dja> Amanda: So I have no privacy?! DD:
L372[17:17:30] <AR2​000> >Amanda: nadja: Don't worry, You can read the privady policy at any time, just rea…
L373[17:17:31] <AR2​000> not /dev/zero, but /dev/random
L374[17:18:08] <Amanda> @AR2000 this assumes a google account.
L375[17:18:21] <lunar_sam> there are some capchas that are just
L376[17:18:22] <lunar_sam> awful
L377[17:18:29] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> This also assumes Google is honest... which LOL.
L378[17:18:42] <Amanda> Let's make a captcha unsolvable for colour blind people!
L379[17:18:48] <Na​dja> >AR2000: not /dev/zero, but /dev/random
L380[17:18:49] <Na​dja> I trust the sentient cat more than the french human on this one. /dev/null it is! :P
L381[17:19:08] <AR2​000> >🎃Michiyo🎃: This also assumes Google is honest... which LOL.
L382[17:19:08] <AR2​000> well, since google assistant is broken because I told google to stop spying on me, I assume they are honest
L383[17:19:18] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> lol. ok then.
L384[17:19:26] <Na​dja> @AR2000 you're also protected by GDPR which most of this server isn't. Calm down.
L385[17:20:02] <AR2​000> True. I almost forgot that the EU is the worst enemy of all the tech giant
L386[17:20:10] <AR2​000> RGPD, USB C, ...
L387[17:20:38] <AR2​000> TLDR : google is nice if you are in the EU
L388[17:20:52] <Lui​hum> >lunar_sam: there are some capchas that are just
L389[17:20:52] <Lui​hum> Reminds me of a hCaptcha one that said "select all the images with a rabbit swimming"
L390[17:21:40] <Na​dja> >AR2000: RGPD, USB C, ...
L391[17:21:40] <Na​dja> Is RGPD the GDPR in french? :D
L392[17:22:13] <AR2​000> >Nadja: Is RGPD the GDPR in french? :D
L393[17:22:13] <AR2​000> yep
L394[17:22:25] <Na​dja> What's it written out?
L395[17:22:28] <Amanda> Also, the USB-C thing needs to be ratified still, I'd not be surprised for Apple to bribe some EU country to avoid doing so
L396[17:23:08] <Forec​aster> didn't Apple put usb-c in their latest phone ahead of it becoming law
L397[17:23:40] <AR2​000> And in France we have the CNIL. They like to give fines, expensive one based on the revenu, not benefit
L398[17:24:00] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> >Forecaster: didn't Apple put usb-c in their latest phone ahead of it becoming law
L399[17:24:01] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> lol... the iPad is USB-C, the iPhone is USB-C to Lightening still AFAIK.
L400[17:24:02] <Amanda> Not that I've heard of? They started including converter thingies, but the EU decided that's not enough. As of 2024 they're required to have usb-c
L401[17:24:07] <Na​dja> Amanda: I don't thing that one needs an unanimous vote so bribing one country won't help
L402[17:24:47] <AR2​000> That's... Illegal now https://tinyurl.com/2jdlzatx
L403[17:24:58] <Amanda> Not until 2024
L404[17:25:01] <Na​dja> and apple was always skirting the already existing law that made USB required for all phones so their exception may just have run out
L405[17:25:42] <Forec​aster> the iPhone 15 is going to have a usb-c port
L406[17:25:53] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> inb4 apple just takes the port off the iPhone...
L407[17:25:58] <AR2​000> Wait until they make a charging protocol incompatible with all other USB C fast chargers
L408[17:26:00] <Amanda> Didn't they just release the 14 this year?
L409[17:26:09] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> Last month even
L410[17:26:12] <Na​dja> >AR2000: Wait until they make a charging protocol incompatible with all other USB…
L411[17:26:13] <Na​dja> You mean like qualcomm?
L412[17:26:34] <Amanda> The MacBooks use USB-PD I believe, so I doubt it
L413[17:26:36] <Forec​aster> 15 is going to come out before 2024, so ahead of the law, which has generated a few articles
L414[17:26:41] <Va​ur> >🎃Michiyo🎃: inb4 apple just takes the port off the iPhone...
L415[17:26:41] <Va​ur> they might very well do
L416[17:27:04] <Na​dja> >Amanda: The MacBooks use USB-PD I believe, so I doubt it
L417[17:27:04] <Na​dja> Ehhh, different market. It would pay of to do it for the iPhone alone.
L418[17:27:16] <Amanda> True
L419[17:27:37] <AR2​000> They might even remove the port and only use mag safe. Do I have to remind you that wireless charging yield is worst than USB ? We are supposed to save energy, not create tech that waste it
L420[17:28:01] <Na​dja> charging yield. That's a new one :D
L421[17:28:04] <Amanda> I thought the USB-C law was to reduce e-waste from propitary chargers every other version of a drevice
L422[17:28:13] <Amanda> device*
L423[17:28:19] <Na​dja> That was the reason for the original USB law
L424[17:28:56] <Na​dja> Which is sorta the reason why everything uses USB now, so thank the EU and all that :P
L425[17:29:05] <AR2​000> >Amanda: I thought the USB-C law was to reduce e-waste from propitary chargers eve…
L426[17:29:06] <AR2​000> yes, but apple like to be different and love making you buy expensive piece of copper to charge your phone
L427[17:29:14] <Amanda> I mean.
L428[17:29:34] <Amanda> USB-C base charging can still be used, I bet the EU would throw them under the bus if they disabled slow charging from USB-C
L429[17:30:08] <Na​dja> The EU not so much. The USB foundation would revoke their certification thougb
L430[17:30:35] <AR2​000> The EU reacted when websites made it difficult to refuse cookies (not enough in my opinion). If Apple start to make stupid decision they will react
L431[17:30:54] <AR2​000> >Nadja: The EU not so much. The USB foundation would revoke their certification t…
L432[17:30:54] <AR2​000> So no cert = not USB C = illegal
L433[17:31:04] <Na​dja> More or less
L434[17:31:23] <Amanda> Does the law state it has to be certified USB-C, or just use the USB-C connector?
L435[17:31:35] <Na​dja> It's also really expensive to use the USB logo if you're not actually doing USB :P
L436[17:31:55] <Na​dja> The old one says USB certified so I'd assume the new one does as well.
L437[17:34:24] <AR2​000> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/uzuhicodam
L438[17:34:28] <AR2​000> Source : https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755
L439[17:35:03] <AR2​000> Compatibility with standard charge protocol (PD) is mandatory
L440[17:35:08] <Amanda> Oh wow, it even required USB-PD?
L441[17:35:12] <Amanda> nice
L442[17:35:47] <Amanda> Surprised Qualcomm/ Samsung didn't raise a loud stink about that
L443[17:35:49] <AR2​000> So no stupid charge protocol, and all fast charge USB charger will work with all phones
L444[17:36:13] <AR2​000> >Amanda: Surprised Qualcomm/ Samsung didn't raise a loud stink about that
L445[17:36:13] <AR2​000> They don't use PD ?
L446[17:36:31] <Amanda> They both have their own propitary one also using USB-C, no idea if it's still in widespread use
L447[17:38:28] <AR2​000> Tip for all non EU citizen : to disable tracking via cookies (what the GDPR does in the EU), just block 3rd party cookies
L448[17:39:01] <AR2​000> Tip for EU citizen : instead of wasting time revoking cookies, disable 3rd party cookies and accept them, they are already blocked
L449[17:56:07] <Na​dja> >Amanda: Surprised Qualcomm/ Samsung didn't raise a loud stink about that
L450[17:56:07] <Na​dja> Oh, I'm sure they did. But the EUs tends to not care :P
L451[17:56:15] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L452[17:56:15] <MichiBot> Eureka! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 7 hours, 47 minutes and 34 seconds (By 2 hours, 30 minutes and 57 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L453[17:56:16] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.01 tonk points! plus 0.018 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 3.51886524, Position #2 Need 0.02781152 more points to pass Va​ur!
L454[17:56:19] <Na​dja> > EUs
L455[17:56:21] <Na​dja> *sigh*
L456[17:56:30] <Amanda> nadja: I just meand I'd expect I'd have heard of them raising a stink, like how Apple did
L457[17:56:52] <Na​dja> Ah, right
L458[17:57:00] <Amanda> Apple did a huge PR thing to try and turn the citizens against any such changes, didn't they?
L459[17:57:49] <Na​dja> Not that I've noticed, no
L460[17:58:08] <Amanda> And does the law say anything about warrenties? Apple's next move might just be voiding warrenties for non-apple chargers
L461[17:59:27] <Amanda> @Nadja maybe it was just US news outlets they sent press releases to about it
L462[17:59:40] <Amanda> I remember a bunch of news outlets covering the stink apple raised
L463[18:01:57] <AR2​000> I don't care what apple say tbh. I use linux (android and for now popos
L464[18:04:54] <Na​dja> Great. But the rest of the world does care and so it will always also affect you. :)
L465[18:05:14] <AR2​000> yep
L466[18:06:35] <AR2​000> No company should be allowed to refuse to cooperate for simple things like a charger
L467[18:14:56] <Forec​aster> %sip
L468[18:14:56] <MichiBot> You drink a sedimented unobtanium potion (New!). Forecaster's radiation level goes up by 2. Forecaster's radiation level is 2. (Rem. uses: 0)
L469[18:20:42] <Forec​aster> it's the 5Gs!
L470[18:36:56] <Amanda> @Inari Why'd you go and fast-forward time so much last night. I'm sleeby
L471[18:37:42] <Amanda> %splash @Inari with mutable % in retaliation
L472[18:37:42] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable aqua potion (New!) that splashes onto @Inari. @Inari turns into a cat until they have some bacon.
L473[19:03:44] <Va​ur> %sip
L474[19:03:44] <MichiBot> You drink a silent tomato potion (New!). Dramatic music briefly plays in the distance.
L475[19:06:40] <! Little​Timmy52 !> Quick question, say i have 9 energy cubes/way to hold power in an area, is there any way I could get the total precent of power as if it was just one big energy cube/battery. i know you can do that for just 1, but i want to use multiple combined.
L476[19:07:33] <Amanda> read them all then sum them and divide by total
L477[19:09:05] <Forec​aster> read one and divide by 0
L478[19:10:46] <Amanda> Never divide by zero, that's how the foxen get you
L479[19:16:49] <! Little​Timmy52 !> Ok then
L480[19:17:41] <Forec​aster> But how else will you unlock the secrets of the universe without cheat codes?
L481[19:18:04] <Forec​aster> Also what the heck is an energy cube
L482[19:26:18] <Va​ur> its a cube filled with energy obviously
L483[19:26:45] <Va​ur> (real answer: its an energy cell from mekanism mod)
L484[19:27:52] <Forec​aster> If it's not an energon cube it's worthless!
L485[19:41:59] <Dee​(H)> >Vaur: what kind of chatbot ?
L486[19:41:59] <Dee​(H)> like the one you can give simple command, like you write "What's time?" on minecraft chat and it shows you time on the pc
L487[19:42:08] <Dee​(H)> I just need a code to detect player's words
L488[19:43:19] <Forec​aster> Computronics has a thing that allows reading and sending messages to global chat I believe
L489[19:43:53] <Va​ur> that was my impression as well
L490[19:44:55] <Forec​aster> It may or may not be named "ChatBox"
L491[19:47:48] <Dee​(H)> Computronics?
L492[19:48:00] <Forec​aster> It's an addon
L493[19:48:04] <Va​ur> its a complementary mod to OC
L494[19:48:12] <Dee​(H)> Oh
L495[19:48:49] <Dee​(H)> Thank you guys
L496[20:39:39] <Lui​hum> Wait you can read messages with it?
L497[20:42:39] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> https://wiki.vexatos.com/wiki:computronics:chat_box yes
L498[21:08:28] <Amanda> %give MichiBot a tall glass of Dumb Bitch Juice
L499[21:08:28] * MichiBot accepts the tall glass of Dumb Bitch Juice and adds it to her inventory
L500[21:19:39] <Amanda> Rude fox @Inari! Why'd you send a thunder storm at me right when Ig ot in the shower!
L501[21:22:50] <Forec​aster> That's when the results are the most shocking
L502[21:39:33] <Amanda> %splash Forecaster with mutable gold potion
L503[21:39:33] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable gold potion (New!) that splashes onto Forecaster. Forecaster turns into a toad boy until they say the word "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious".
L504[21:41:54] <Brisingr​Aerowing> So PolyMC has been comprimised.
L505[21:42:10] <Brisingr​Aerowing> compromised*
L506[21:42:17] <Amanda> polyMC has, or the github repo has?
L507[21:42:35] <Amanda> Because Github has failed to handle zero-days in their platform several times
L508[21:42:51] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Repo. One of the devs has gone insane and kicked everyone else off the organization.
L509[21:42:58] <Amanda> I see
L510[21:43:14] <Brisingr​Aerowing> https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/y6krsj/psa_polymc_launcher_hss_been_compromised/
L511[21:43:16] <Ocawes​ome101> apparently the other devs are in contact with GH to get the org back
L512[21:43:17] <Brisingr​Aerowing> More info.
L513[21:43:35] <Ocawes​ome101> https://github.com/placeholdermc/placeholdermc is a backup plan if that doesn't work
L514[21:43:55] <Brisingr​Aerowing> I hope they get it back. That crazy dev needs to be kicked off the platform.
L515[21:54:25] <Forec​aster> Amanda: hey D:<
L516[21:54:27] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/PolyMC/PolyMC/commit/ccf282593dcdbe189c99b81b8bc90cb203aed3ee#commitcomment-87068877 lol what the fuck
L517[22:01:36] <Ri​ley> https://github.com/PolyMC/PolyMC/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
L518[22:02:52] <Amanda> Sigh
L519[22:02:57] <Amanda> Guess 4chan decided to be cunts.
L520[22:03:03] <Amanda> What else is new.
L521[22:03:06] <🎃Mic​hiyo🎃> I'm shocked!
L522[22:07:39] <Amanda> In more shocking news: Water is wet.
L523[22:08:02] <Forec​aster> As shocked as a cat taking a shower during a thunder storm?
L524[22:08:16] <Amanda> It wasn't thundeing when I got in!
L525[22:08:37] <Amanda> And, inf act, it seems to have stopped as soon as I got out, further proving @Inari was behind it
L526[22:08:52] <Forec​aster> But it still counts as during
L527[22:37:30] <Ri​ley> https://polymc.dev
L528[22:37:33] <Ri​ley> (sorry)
L529[22:38:41] <Amanda> Don't feed the trolls, they are on a strict diet of bad ideas and faeces
L530[22:39:36] <Amanda> What was that quote? "Don't argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level, the beat you to death with experience."
L531[22:41:58] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime?
L532[22:41:58] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: No, maybe tomorrow.
L533[22:42:14] <Amanda> For the last time MichiBot, I'm not leaving my laptop on overnight
L534[22:42:39] <Amanda> Not when it's not doing something important, like rearranging the universe into random orders to troll @Nadja
L535[22:43:18] * Amanda curls up around Elfi, shows her her game's screen, where she'll be doing game stuff maybe, if she doesn't halucinate
L536[22:56:28] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p200300eaef139f63af2c7260d6d67332.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L537[23:42:51] <Z0id​berg> Izaya: what do you think of the ez80190?
L538[23:43:08] <Z0id​berg> Apparently they are still manufactured
L539[23:43:37] <Z0id​berg> Basically 50 MHz 8 bit z80s
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