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L1[01:33:26] <My​ros> I just got multiple components with the same id. If i understand it right they are "quantum" linked, right? so if i write on one disk all the others have the same content?
L2[01:34:59] <My​ros> https://tinyurl.com/2k9x6g3o
L3[01:35:08] <My​ros> does this have the same effect with ram?
L4[01:35:30] <My​ros> or how does it work for like experience upgrades?
L5[01:39:10] <Amanda> That'll only apply to disks and other disk-like objects
L6[01:39:30] <Amanda> Because it's not a feature, it's a side-effect of how data is stored
L7[01:39:37] <ThePi​Guy24> for most components, it doesnt really matter iirc, but for things that have to be unique (cases, network cards, disks, and maybe things that you interact with by uid)
L8[01:52:06] <My​ros> so using ram with the same id does not half the capacity?
L9[01:52:16] <My​ros> is there a way to remove the given id?
L10[01:53:27] <ThePi​Guy24> i think recrafting is a thing, where you just throw an item in a crafting table and it gives you a "clean" item
L11[01:56:45] <My​ros> like this? https://tinyurl.com/2mnnaak2
L12[01:59:29] <ThePi​Guy24> ah, i guess its not a thing then
L13[02:03:23] <Amanda> Putting two ram in with the same uuid might cause only one of them to be detected.
L14[02:03:50] <Amanda> The uuid is meant to be as it's name implies, universally unique
L15[02:04:38] * Amanda meows at elfi, asks her to stop using her silly straw to suck all the mana out of space
L16[02:06:04] <Amanda> %choose be responsible or halucinate
L17[02:06:04] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: "halucinate" is for cool kids!
L18[02:06:17] <Amanda> %8ball ltgk?
L19[02:06:17] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I don't think that's a question...
L20[02:06:22] <Amanda> Bah
L21[02:06:38] <Amanda> %8ball low-temp goat kitten?
L22[02:06:38] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Signs point to yes
L23[02:06:48] <Amanda> Hrm
L24[02:07:30] <Amanda> %splash @Inari with mutable toxictop potion
L25[02:07:31] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable toxictop potion (New!) that splashes onto @Inari. @Inari turns into a blue turtle girl until they have an octiron potion.
L26[02:07:46] <My​ros> lel
L27[02:08:26] * Amanda lays her head on elfi, does a heccen zzzmew
L28[02:09:19] <My​ros> is it possible that battery upgrades give me a way to remote energy that way?
L29[02:09:35] <My​ros> and database upgrades share its contents?
L30[02:09:42] <My​ros> like diesks?
L31[02:11:12] <Amanda> I doubt it. Disks only work that way because the uuid is used as a filename in the save dir. Like I said, it's not a feature, just an implementation detail that affects disks that way
L32[02:11:44] <Amanda> Db upgrades and batteries both probably store the data in the nbt
L33[02:11:57] <Amanda> Anyway, zzzmews means sleeps, night girls
L34[02:20:39] <My​ros> good night, and thx
L35[02:32:47] <My​ros> is there any documentation for the trading upgrade?
L36[02:34:16] <Delta​theta> Has anyone tested Vivecraft compatability lately?
L37[02:55:44] <My​ros> https://tinyurl.com/2qw7vzuu
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L39[04:44:14] <CompanionCube> Izaya: https://twitter.com/MysteryHacker1/status/1565555082388594688
L40[05:02:33] <Va​ur> %tonk
L41[05:02:33] <MichiBot> Wow! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 4 hours, 14 minutes and 43 seconds (By 2 hours, 55 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L42[05:02:34] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 7 hours, 10 minutes and 21 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.01465 (0.00293 x 5) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L43[05:30:37] <Izaya> CompanionCube: neat!
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L51[07:11:08] <prismatic> OC has no forms of power gen other than carpeted capacitors, right?
L52[07:11:21] <prismatic> is there a way to discharge a robot or drone?
L53[07:12:54] <Redston​eParkour> >prismatic: OC has no forms of power gen other than carpeted capacitors, right?
L54[07:12:54] <Redston​eParkour> Well the creative computer generates infinite power and there are generator / solar panel upgrades for robots (and maybe also drones)
L55[07:13:14] <prismatic> Yea, but what about storage?
L56[07:13:23] <prismatic> Sorry, I should've clarified
L57[07:13:29] <prismatic> OC capacitors *can* store power iirc
L58[07:13:29] <Vexatos> if you want storage, you build capacitors
L59[07:13:35] <Vexatos> they get a bonus from being next to each other
L60[07:13:44] <prismatic> yeah, but what about storage to capacitors
L61[07:13:44] <Vexatos> so if you build them in large cuboids, you get the most storage capacity
L62[07:13:52] <Vexatos> capacitors *are* the storage
L63[07:13:57] <prismatic> no like
L64[07:13:59] <prismatic> from a drone or robot
L65[07:14:11] <prismatic> assuming a pure-OC environment, ruling out carpeted because they need mobs, is a charger (the block) worth it at all
L66[07:14:16] <Vexatos> you can use battery upgrades for those
L67[07:14:22] <prismatic> ohIforgotaboutthat
L68[07:14:32] <Vexatos> chargers let you charge robots and drones
L69[07:14:43] <Vexatos> that are near it
L70[07:14:45] <prismatic> they need an external power source though right?
L71[07:14:56] <Vexatos> chargers are just part of the OC network
L72[07:15:10] <Vexatos> so you can charge them from the network, however you end up powering that
L73[07:15:18] <prismatic> tl;dr: writing an autonomous drone swarm; assuming a pure-OC environment should a drone prioritize a charger or permanent data storage (via a tier 1 computer or something)
L74[07:15:31] <prismatic> I don't recall any methods of discharging a drone
L75[07:15:48] <Redston​eParkour> well autonomous drone swarm probably means wireless card
L76[07:15:51] <Vexatos> drones cannot discharge other than by operating
L77[07:16:08] <Vexatos> if they communicate wirelessly anyway then they don't need any storage
L78[07:16:12] <prismatic> @RedstoneParkour: or internet card, heh
L79[07:16:16] <Vexatos> and you can just write their firmware to be controlled by the host
L80[07:16:21] <prismatic> oh yeah good point
L81[07:16:24] <prismatic> memory limitations though?
L82[07:16:29] <Vexatos> well you gotta code properly
L83[07:16:34] <prismatic> yeah but like
L84[07:16:40] <prismatic> not much I can do to optimize text :P
L85[07:16:44] <Redston​eParkour> just move the data to the host computer
L86[07:16:46] <Vexatos> drones can hold like half a megabyte of RAM no
L87[07:16:46] <prismatic> other than like, compression
L88[07:16:50] <prismatic> oh ok
L89[07:16:57] <Vexatos> yes
L90[07:16:59] <prismatic> @RedstoneParkour the idea is that initially there *is* no host
L91[07:17:06] <Redston​eParkour> oh
L92[07:17:12] <Vexatos> the last time I made a drone setup, all the firmware did was take commands from the control computer
L93[07:17:22] <Redston​eParkour> that will be quite hard
L94[07:17:24] <Vexatos> and then the EEPROM data contained the ID of the host
L95[07:17:26] <prismatic> absolutely!
L96[07:17:28] <prismatic> that's why it's fun
L97[07:17:29] <Vexatos> and that is the only thing I changed between drones
L98[07:17:34] <Redston​eParkour> as all data will have to be stored on the drones
L99[07:17:39] <prismatic> or, a tier 1 computer
L100[07:17:44] <prismatic> use that as data storage
L101[07:17:45] <Vexatos> @RedstoneParkour I did that for a sorting system in 2019
L102[07:17:58] <Vexatos> it's not that bad
L103[07:18:02] <prismatic> alternatively internet card although I feel like that's kinda cheaty
L104[07:18:21] <prismatic> my goal is that the initial drone should be able to make "worker" drones given zero starting resources
L105[07:18:49] <Redston​eParkour> you're gonna need a robot for that as afaik drones can't craft
L106[07:18:52] <prismatic> for that it needs a geolyzer at the very least I would say
L107[07:18:57] <prismatic> hmm good point
L108[07:19:24] <prismatic> ok, so switch it to a robot - no problem, goal is the same
L109[07:19:32] <prismatic> given zero starting resources the robot should be able to make more of itself
L110[07:19:37] <Redston​eParkour> well now you have access to permanent storage
L111[07:19:38] <prismatic> (if anything, using a robot makes it FAR easier too)
L112[07:20:31] <Redston​eParkour> so 0 starting resources means no OC energy network meaning we're gonna have to use either the generator upgrade or the solar upgrade
L113[07:20:42] <prismatic> yup, my plan was solar
L114[07:21:02] <prismatic> probably with a generator upgrade
L115[07:21:04] <prismatic> do solars stack?
L116[07:21:23] <Redston​eParkour> that means you'll probably mine at night and recharge (while doing work on the surface) at day
L117[07:21:27] <prismatic> also I feel like the solar gen tooltip should say "Generator Upgrade" instead of "Stirling Engine"
L118[07:22:09] <prismatic> "stirling engine" is very ambigous - which mod? OC itself doesn't have anything directly called that either
L119[07:22:23] <Redston​eParkour> the BuildCraft Stirling Engine
L120[07:22:57] <prismatic> 20% the speed of specifically that stirling engine?
L121[07:23:15] <prismatic> that's great except I don't think the speed of that engine is ever directly presented
L122[07:23:24] <prismatic> it varies based on heat, iirc
L123[07:23:39] <prismatic> I think hotter = faster (up to a point) but too hot = kaboom
L124[07:23:51] <prismatic> but yeah: do solars stack?
L125[07:24:39] <Redston​eParkour> not sure
L126[07:26:16] <prismatic> hmm
L127[07:26:21] <prismatic> a tier 1 or so computer is still needed
L128[07:26:24] <prismatic> for EEPROM programming
L129[07:30:16] <prismatic> ah.
L130[07:30:23] <prismatic> don't you love it when the lua interpreter fails to run
L131[07:30:44] <prismatic> Yeah hmm I think I may have found an unrelated bug
L132[07:30:51] <prismatic> "Unable to set any field [] on type net.minecraft.entity.player.EntityPlayer"
L133[07:31:52] <prismatic> on robots, the 'lua' program returns "attempt to call a nil valid (method 'formatted_read')"
L134[07:32:12] <prismatic> also something about a "C-call boundary"?
L135[07:32:26] <prismatic> on a computer spawned with `/oc_sc` it works tho
L136[07:33:48] <prismatic> latest CF jar doesn't appear to work quite right it seems
L137[07:34:20] <prismatic> I would mention payonel but they aren't in #oc
L138[07:34:32] <prismatic> that, or I am blind
L139[07:34:39] <prismatic> but konversation isn't tab-completing it, so
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L143[07:41:29] <Forec​aster> The EEPROM can store some data also
L144[07:43:17] <Forec​aster> prismatic there was a new release of OC just the other day on modrinth
L145[07:44:13] <Forec​aster> https://modrinth.com/mod/opencomputers/version/1.7.6
L146[07:46:29] <Forec​aster> oh wait, that's the same as the latest on CF
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L148[07:46:39] <Forec​aster> but asie is the one who's published that
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L150[07:58:39] <Izaya> "mineOS database" and other statements dreamed up by the utterly insane
L151[07:59:09] <prismatic> the what
L152[07:59:21] <Redston​eParkour> ok i don't think solar upgrades stack
L153[07:59:22] <prismatic> also: OC is on modrinth? huh
L154[08:00:00] <prismatic> also: can microcontrollers craft?
L155[08:00:09] <Forec​aster> no
L156[08:00:11] <prismatic> drones can't and I feel like using a robot takes away the fun of it
L157[08:00:13] <prismatic> :( damn
L158[08:00:14] <Forec​aster> only robots can craft
L159[08:00:25] <prismatic> guess I will have to make a robot that can just craft
L160[08:00:30] <prismatic> so as not to take away the fun
L161[08:01:19] <Redston​eParkour> actually i'm wondering can a microcontroller with a solar upgrade output power to an OC energy net?
L162[08:02:05] <Forec​aster> Yes
L163[08:02:32] <Forec​aster> the OC nets are always unidirectional
L164[08:03:04] <Forec​aster> and the MCU only lacks an external component net
L165[08:03:28] <Forec​aster> I meant bidirectional...
L166[08:03:28] <Redston​eParkour> well it seems like it doesn't work
L167[08:03:35] <Redston​eParkour> unless i'm using an older version
L168[08:04:00] <Forec​aster> oh, I thought I'd done that at some point
L169[08:04:04] <Forec​aster> maybe I'm misremembering
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L173[08:43:29] <Inari 「オ​兄デレ」「狐っ娘」> https://tinyurl.com/2h3dqywz
L174[08:46:50] <asie> prismatic: please report reproduction steps on https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/3548
L175[08:46:51] <MichiBot> Title: "lua" not works OC 1.7.6 | Posted by: Bumer-32 | Posted: Thu Sep 01 10:04:36 UTC 2022 | Status: open
L176[08:47:57] <asie> payonel is on #oc, just via discord bridge, and also doesn't lurk very often
L177[08:54:35] <asie> I found a bug there, I think
L178[08:54:42] <asie> let's see if it's that bug
L179[08:55:27] <prismatic> asie: I posted repro instructions
L180[08:55:30] <prismatic> - new world
L181[08:55:31] <prismatic> - creatix
L182[08:55:33] <prismatic> - observe
L183[08:55:46] <asie> ah, yes, I reproduced it
L184[08:55:50] <asie> but I'm wondering if it's the same bug now
L185[08:55:54] <asie> that I just found
L186[08:55:57] <prismatic> and not a *different* bug?
L187[08:56:01] <prismatic> there is also a reflection bug; see log
L188[08:56:03] <asie> could be any number of bugs
L189[08:56:06] <asie> yeah I wonder if the two are related
L190[08:56:11] <asie> the reflection bug was a typo on my behalf
L191[08:56:16] <asie> I fixed *that*
L192[08:56:43] <asie> okay, they are not related :(
L193[08:56:48] <prismatic> a minecraft modder making a typo? impossible! /s
L194[08:57:20] <asie> i haven't done this properly in ages
L195[08:57:24] <asie> okay, reflection bug fixed
L196[08:57:26] <prismatic> fair enough
L197[09:00:46] <asie> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/commit/c9530ae0dd9a2426eab8cedef6c241dbb5086c70 this is the commit which broke it
L198[09:00:50] <asie> waiting on payonel for more information
L199[09:01:04] <asie> I do want to release 1.7.7 as this isn't the only regression; but I want to fix the above thing first
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L205[10:41:39] <Forec​aster> %sip
L206[10:41:40] <MichiBot> You drink a shiny grathnode potion (New!). Wheels are briefly square.
L207[13:15:00] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L208[13:15:01] <MichiBot> Goshhawk! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 7 hours, 10 minutes and 21 seconds (By 1 hour, 2 minutes and 5 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L209[13:15:02] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 8 hours, 12 minutes and 27 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00824 (0.00103 x 8) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.270366 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L217[17:08:21] <Forec​aster> %sip
L218[17:08:21] <MichiBot> You drink a runny tiberium potion (New!). A bard behind Forecaster suddenly stops playing. They were most likely eaten by a monster.
L219[17:08:31] <Va​ur> %sip
L220[17:08:31] <MichiBot> You drink an invisible white potion (New!). Vaur has no memory of drinking a potion.
L221[17:08:36] <Forec​aster> Time to run
L222[17:11:09] <Forec​aster> If the potion is invisible, how do we know it's really white...
L223[17:19:01] <asie> 58%sip
L224[17:19:03] <asie> %sip
L225[17:19:03] <MichiBot> You drink a runny dalekanium potion (New!). asie thinks the empty bottle is a snake for 10 moons.
L226[17:20:14] <Forec​aster> someone who likes snakes might be keeping a bottle as a pet for a while
L227[17:20:31] <Forec​aster> until they realize it's not actually a snake
L228[17:27:28] <Izaya> https://pool.jortage.com/sleepingtown/media_attachments/files/108/929/979/418/203/807/original/3dda49503c6c856d.png
L229[17:29:59] <Va​ur> %sip
L230[17:29:59] <MichiBot> You drink a mutable caterium potion (New!). Vaur turns into a rainbow dragon for 54 seconds.
L231[17:30:44] <Forec​aster> fancy dragon, briefly
L232[17:41:36] <Z0id​berg> Idea: Using nixos to deploy RISCV OC2 images
L233[17:41:40] <Z0id​berg> What do you think
L234[17:42:31] <Z0id​berg> Could be super useful.
L235[18:10:03] <Forec​aster> Or doom us all!
L236[18:19:39] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/7ef1.png
L237[18:19:40] <Izaya> sweet
L238[18:26:38] <Izaya> the results aren't ideal
L239[18:27:49] <Izaya> flac -> dfpwm -> opus: https://shadowkat.net/tmp/7175.ogg
L240[18:29:25] <Vexatos> hey I know that one
L241[18:29:33] <Vexatos> make sure you set the bitrate correctly
L242[18:30:33] <asie> fixed another bug for OC 1.7.7 while waiting for the Lua one :P
L243[18:30:34] <Izaya> -b:a doesn't seem to have any particular effect on what ffmpeg is doing
L244[18:30:36] <Izaya> am I stupid
L245[18:33:07] <Vexatos> you use -ar
L246[18:33:08] <Vexatos> I think
L247[18:34:58] <Izaya> double speed (-ar 88100) sounds much better https://shadowkat.net/tmp/f560.ogg
L248[18:35:21] <Vexatos> remember this is DFPWM1a in ffmpeg
L249[18:35:47] <Vexatos> computronics uses DFPWM1a at a sample rate of 48000 in minecraft 1.8 and up
L250[18:36:18] <Vexatos> if you intend to play it in game
L251[18:36:30] <Vexatos> but setting the sample rate seems to work at least
L252[18:42:04] <Izaya> 96000 doesn't sound significantly different https://shadowkat.net/tmp/7f7f.ogg
L253[19:23:31] <ThePi​Guy24> >Izaya: https://pool.jortage.com/sleepingtown/media_attachments/files/108/929/979/418���
L254[19:23:31] <ThePi​Guy24> oh damn, thats neat
L255[19:30:26] <Corded> * <Mic​hiyo> pokes her head in
L256[19:30:32] <Mic​hiyo> Good... Discord seems to have not broken here
L257[19:30:35] <Mic​hiyo> so... that's something
L258[19:30:48] <Forec​aster> agh
L259[19:30:54] <Forec​aster> floating head!
L260[19:32:00] <Corded> * <Mic​hiyo> flips her head upside down and says "Boo!"
L261[19:32:26] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> faints dramatically
L262[20:40:03] <Amanda> %choose halucinate or games or just continue vegging out to waves
L263[20:40:03] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A wizard is never late, and sometimes engages in some "just continue vegging out to waves".
L264[20:42:27] <Va​ur> %sip
L265[20:42:27] <MichiBot> You drink a fragrant yellow potion (New!). Vaur feels a strong urge to recycle the potion bottle.
L266[20:43:26] <Amanda> %splash @Inari with mutable white potion
L267[20:43:26] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable white potion (New!) that splashes onto @Inari. @Inari turns into a bear boy until they stop thinking about it.
L268[20:43:32] <Amanda> D:
L269[20:43:33] * Amanda flees
L270[20:46:18] <Mic​hiyo> That seems like it would be a difficult thing to... not think about >_>
L271[20:56:27] <Forec​aster> Nah, it's beary easy
L272[20:58:37] * Amanda sends Forecaster to pun jail
L273[21:39:37] <Amanda> %choose wait or unplug
L274[21:39:37] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I had a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about "unplug"
L275[21:43:15] <Amanda> %choose lesibab; dungeon goddess or cultivator
L276[21:43:15] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: dungeon goddess lesibab
L277[21:43:23] <ThePi​Guy24> asie: isnt really needed anymore, but here is a probably less horrible and more usable tool (maybe) https://thepiguy24.net/hexcompare/
L278[21:56:01] <ThePi​Guy24> (also maybe broken because idk)
L279[22:19:24] <ThePi​Guy24> (now fixed to be less broken)
L280[22:34:48] ⇦ Quits: Hawk777 (~Hawk777@2607:c000:8287:2f00:3137:e6c1:6c22:b998) (Quit: Leaving.)
L281[22:42:40] <asie> thank you, but i have already checked what I wanted to :D
L282[23:23:33] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p200300eaef139f546eb8023a1b8de42a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
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