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L1[00:08:02] <Amanda> %choose nomad or nixos
L2[00:08:02] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I tried reading my tea leaves this morning. There was something about death and doom. Anyway, go with "nomad"
L3[00:08:09] <Amanda> HRm
L4[00:08:21] <Amanda> No.
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L6[01:13:46] <Z0id​berg> https://tinyurl.com/2c7sspag
L7[01:14:15] <Z0id​berg> When you order a haddock sandwich and they five you an entire fucking haddock filet in a bulkie roll
L8[01:22:08] <stephan48> what annoys me greatly with linux hibernation is that you can't reserve swap space for that like with hiberfil.sys under windows.
L9[01:22:39] <stephan48> sure you might lug around a 32gb deadspace but atleast you don't accidentially can fill the space meant for hibernation by normal swapping
L10[01:25:11] <Amanda> stephan48: I'm not sure if it's a swapfile thing or if something in my setup seriously breaks hibernation, but I've not the spoons to debug esoteric 30+ year old standards-based systems
L11[01:25:23] <Amanda> Or is ACPI more from the 2000s
L12[01:25:42] <stephan48> lets call it system from hell
L13[01:25:52] <stephan48> way too much magic foo involved in that process
L14[01:26:15] <Amanda> Pleaee, Lucy would never create that complicated of a torture device. She'd kick you in the tits and call it good enough
L15[01:26:48] <stephan48> i mean ACPI and hibernation/sleep/etc.
L16[01:26:55] <Amanda> :P
L17[01:26:59] <stephan48> with swapfile i read - on the archlinux wiki i think - you need to give it special config so it can be found properly on boot
L18[01:27:08] <Amanda> ah
L19[01:27:17] <lunar_sam> oh, yeah
L20[01:27:24] <lunar_sam> i never got hibernation to work
L21[01:27:25] <Amanda> Got a link handy? If not I'll do some digging when I'm more spoonful
L22[01:27:28] <stephan48> as the kernel is in a weird state between technically not being able to mount the disks because it might interfere with prior state
L23[01:27:31] <stephan48> moment
L24[01:27:45] <lunar_sam> then again, my laptop doesn't like resuming as is
L25[01:27:49] <stephan48> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation_into_swap_file
L26[01:28:02] <Amanda> At the moment I may have just gasoline'd my entire nixos setup and lit a match, but we'll see shortly
L27[01:28:04] <stephan48> jup thats the stuff i read
L28[01:28:41] <Amanda> Roll that beautiful Evaluation Error footage! https://hydra.camnet.site/jobset/homelab/nix#tabs-evaluations
L29[01:29:26] <Amanda> Oh that's why it's not updating, I forgot to git push
L30[01:29:45] <stephan48> i had hibernation either work consistently 9,5/10 times or not at all with a given hardware
L31[01:30:10] <Amanda> I'd expect it's just me missing some magic kernel cmdline stuff in this case, since It'd a system76 laptop
L32[01:30:21] <Amanda> It's*
L33[01:30:36] <stephan48> like with this fairly normal hp elitebook 8640p or the dell precision mini pc it works nicely. with a pinebook pro... well i need a debug cable to see where the kernel is crapping itself after loading the state
L34[01:30:47] <stephan48> almost as fun to debug hibernation as debugging kexec
L35[01:30:48] <lunar_sam> i have had nothing but issues with hibernation with my laptop
L36[01:30:49] <lunar_sam> lol
L37[01:31:33] <lunar_sam> fairly normal asus x555qa but oh well
L38[01:31:43] <lunar_sam> apparently other laptops with the same APU have the same issues as me
L39[01:31:55] <stephan48> fun i had with "hybrid sleep" under windows... was awesome, quick wakeup and i could pull the plug to do cold hibernation when needed. until some feature update after which i enabled wsl2
L40[01:32:32] <stephan48> it seemed to still work... and then i found out that it does silently not as soon as hyperv is enabled. it would have been nice if it just told me... maybe? pretty please
L41[01:32:55] <stephan48> yea laptops are magic part stores full of wonders in all regards linux
L42[01:33:07] <stephan48> usually parts work nicely but when it comes to edge cases... wellll
L43[01:33:28] <stephan48> (except that windows wants a reboot.. or a crash every couple weeks that is)
L44[01:33:38] <lunar_sam> oh well
L45[01:33:49] <lunar_sam> at least the audio stack doesn't crash all the time on my laptop
L46[01:33:59] <lunar_sam> _unlike my pinephone_
L47[01:34:42] <Amanda> Speaking of, I need to get around to fixing my pinephone.
L48[01:34:54] <lunar_sam> found my issue too
L49[01:35:00] <Amanda> I can't update it because the nixos rebuild image size is too large for the internal storage
L50[01:35:21] <stephan48> how is the pinephone as mobile connected device?
L51[01:35:36] <lunar_sam> vaguely remember it being an issue with the CPU not being able to keep up so the RT proccess is killed
L52[01:35:38] <stephan48> too bad that they don't support 5G broadband :(
L53[01:35:52] <lunar_sam> pinephone is overwhelmingly
L54[01:35:53] <lunar_sam> okay
L55[01:36:08] <lunar_sam> needs a proper slide out keyboard imo but that's just me
L56[01:36:15] <stephan48> thats a fun thing with lenovo laptops... fan control is overwhelmingly done in software under windows it seems :P
L57[01:36:17] <lunar_sam> also the battery life is _awful_
L58[01:36:30] <lunar_sam> like, screen on time
L59[01:36:32] <stephan48> which can crash... which gives way to almost instant thermal death
L60[01:36:35] <stephan48> mh.
L61[01:36:40] <lunar_sam> but that's with the stock modem firmware
L62[01:36:49] <stephan48> i thought about getting one as a mobile router with an interface
L63[01:36:51] <lunar_sam> i haven't flashed the new community made firmware
L64[01:36:59] <lunar_sam> don't
L65[01:37:01] <Amanda> I'm mostly planning to use mine as a little datapad thingy, not a phone
L66[01:37:12] <stephan48> got a couple cheap xiomai phones for that now
L67[01:37:15] <lunar_sam> oh wait as a mobile router
L68[01:37:24] <lunar_sam> i was gonna say
L69[01:37:30] <lunar_sam> it's terrible as a home router
L70[01:37:30] <lunar_sam> lol
L71[01:37:34] <stephan48> heh
L72[01:37:44] <lunar_sam> there's a huge perf hit to wired connections
L73[01:38:30] <stephan48> basically what i need is a wifi chip which is capable of 802.11s/mesh on 2,4 and 5 ghz wifi
L74[01:38:48] <stephan48> the rest of the equiation will be handled via external routers/access points.
L75[01:39:04] <lunar_sam> no 5GHz iirc?
L76[01:39:07] <stephan48> ah
L77[01:39:09] <lunar_sam> could be wrong
L78[01:39:13] <lunar_sam> could have configured it wrong
L79[01:39:16] <lunar_sam> i don't use wifi :P
L80[01:39:38] <stephan48> if it does somewhat around 200-400Mbit via usb-c ethernet... that would also work
L81[01:39:55] <lunar_sam> *don't do it on the pinephone, but
L82[01:39:57] <lunar_sam> ethernet is
L83[01:39:58] <lunar_sam> iffy
L84[01:40:01] <stephan48> it only needs to breakout to a switch, as the uplink will usually be away slower
L85[01:40:06] <stephan48> way*
L86[01:40:14] * stephan48 nods.
L87[01:40:18] <lunar_sam> dunno why, maybe it's just NM, but i get a huge perf hit
L88[01:40:31] <lunar_sam> specifically to actually using my data, despite using the TTL trick
L89[01:40:56] <stephan48> the other contenders will be a rpi4... maybe some of these funny bananapi router boards if they can drive a touch display.
L90[01:41:11] <lunar_sam> i gotta go
L91[01:41:19] <lunar_sam> what i want is a RISC-V phone :v
L92[01:41:26] <stephan48> have fun you two and good luck with spoon recovery :)
L93[01:41:46] <stephan48> i also need to go to bed... the clock is hitting 03:42 really soon
L94[01:51:38] <Amanda> Right, let's see if this works with those kernel params applied
L95[02:05:17] <Amanda> stephan48: So,. those params lead to me finding https://discourse.nixos.org/t/issue-with-hibernate-using-xfce/10453/3 which seems to work, danke for the hint!
L96[02:06:18] <Amanda> Now if only network manager was smart enought to attempt to resolve the IP of my wireguard server _before_ trying to connect and applying the DNS params
L97[02:07:06] <Amanda> Maybe I should just hard-code it, instead of using my dyndns domain. My IP's only changed a handful of times in the last 13 years
L98[02:09:24] <Amanda> NOw, I wonder if my plan to deactivate the swap file during normal use would work...
L99[02:09:45] <Amanda> Now that I've got the kernel magic to point it at the file
L100[02:09:59] <stephan48> yw, glad that it worked :)
L101[02:10:22] <stephan48> Mh. Please report back on that :)
L102[02:14:57] <Amanda> stephan48: Was basing it on https://superuser.com/questions/1147616/hibernation-without-swap-enabled -- nixos-ifying the units, but sadly it doesn't seem to work
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L105[02:17:53] <Amanda> To be specific, manually starting "systemd-hibernate.service" seems to execute the swapon properly, but it's not gettign swappe doff on resume
L106[03:21:56] <Amanda> stephan48: gave up again for tonight, but this is what all I tried: https://git.camnet.site/homelab/nixos/src/branch/master/hosts/x86_64-linux/ita/hardware-configuration.nix#L42-L68
L107[03:22:15] <Amanda> I'll just deal with having the swap file permentyly for now
L108[03:38:17] <Va​ur> %tonk
L109[03:38:18] <MichiBot> Boom! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 7 hours, 6 minutes and 29 seconds (By 2 hours and 17 minutes)! I hope you're happy!
L110[03:38:19] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 9 hours, 23 minutes and 29 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.01824 (0.00228 x 8) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L111[04:21:16] <Amanda> This calls for celebration1
L112[04:21:24] <Amanda> %splash Vaur with mutable potion
L113[04:21:24] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable honey potion (New!) that splashes onto Vaur. Vaur turns into a strawberry frog boy until they exit the room.
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L115[05:33:32] <Amanda> %choose halucinate or be responsible
L116[05:33:32] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A wizard is never late, and sometimes engages in some "be responsible".
L117[05:33:40] <Amanda> boooo
L118[05:33:44] <Amanda> But fair
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L122[05:45:26] * Amanda cackles manically
L123[05:45:31] <Amanda> I've done it!
L124[05:45:33] <Amanda> now: Sleep
L125[05:45:57] * Amanda curls up around Elfi, meows about her progress getting a new httpd/ssl termination system going for her homelab
L126[05:46:33] <Amanda> night nerds
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L136[11:30:50] <lunar_sam> damn izaya died
L137[11:30:58] <Izaya> many such cases
L138[11:31:02] <lunar_sam> oh
L139[11:31:05] <lunar_sam> you return
L140[11:31:21] <lunar_sam> it appears XMPP is having a stroke again
L141[11:31:25] <lunar_sam> amazing
L142[11:31:29] <Izaya> processing firewall rules is a little much for my WRT54GL
L143[11:31:36] <lunar_sam> lmfao
L144[11:31:51] <lunar_sam> i didn't know where the problem was
L145[11:33:37] <lunar_sam> does oc2 come with cpio
L146[11:33:54] <lunar_sam> lol
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L148[11:53:17] <gruetzkopf> oh wow, now that's a classic i havent seen in a long time
L149[12:08:28] <Va​ur> %sip
L150[12:08:29] <MichiBot> You drink a dull sky potion (New!). 3 nearby pebbles suddenly shift slightly in Vaur's direction.
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L153[13:08:49] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L154[13:08:49] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 9 hours, 23 minutes and 29 seconds (By 7 minutes and 1 second)! I hope you're happy!
L155[13:08:50] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points! plus 0.016 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 2.85305625, Position #1
L156[13:09:21] <Forec​aster> huh, I was 10 minutes off with that one apparently...
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L161[15:52:22] <Forec​aster> %sip
L162[15:52:23] <MichiBot> You drink a fiery nectar potion (New!). There's an acidic tinge to the potion... A label on the bottle reads "Who needs internal organs anyway?". Forecaster takes 3d​6 => [1,1,3] acid damage.
L163[15:52:32] <Forec​aster> ouch
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L167[16:36:12] * Amanda snuggles up around Elfi in the cat carrier, as she has another day of travel today
L168[16:38:50] * Elfi sleepy moff noises
L169[16:40:09] <Amanda> How're you doing, elfi?
L170[16:40:24] <Amanda> Is the new cat fren settling in okay?
L171[16:42:46] <Elfi> Yee!
L172[16:42:54] <Elfi> She's doing great
L173[16:43:19] <Amanda> That's good, more cat frens is always nice
L174[16:44:52] <Forec​aster> until they try to eat you
L175[16:46:24] <Amanda> Rude! We'd never try and eat people!
L176[16:56:27] <Forec​aster> That's exactly what a people eater would say > - >
L177[16:58:01] <Amanda> Rude!
L178[16:58:21] <Amanda> %claw Forecaster
L179[16:58:21] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is trying to claw Forec​aster! They have 5 minutes if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
L180[16:58:32] <Forec​aster> %deflect
L181[16:58:33] <MichiBot> Forecaster failed to deflect Amanda. With a 5 vs 12 Forecaster takes the full 1 damage.
L182[16:58:38] <Forec​aster> ow >:
L183[17:02:08] <Forec​aster> %splash amanda water
L184[17:02:15] <MichiBot> I had an exception... ow. Here's the stacktrace: https://paste.pc-logix.com/ibawiwaxeq
L185[17:02:21] <Forec​aster> huh
L186[17:02:27] <Amanda> D;
L187[17:03:41] <Redston​eParkour> You know very well that water and electronics don't mix!
L188[17:03:54] <Forec​aster> %sip water
L189[17:03:54] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: You splash Forecaster with some water. Wait... this isn't water... it's a wild dilithium potion!
L190[17:04:05] <Wat​tana> since nobody seem to have mentioned this: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1NmaODlXY>
L191[17:04:07] <Forec​aster> huh, somethings' wonky there
L192[17:09:46] <Amanda> Forecaster: while you're in there fix pat and pet being switched
L193[17:11:22] <Amanda> %choose halucinate or save it for the plane
L194[17:11:22] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I've learned anything in life it's that you always pick "halucinate"
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L196[17:54:58] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L197[17:54:59] <MichiBot> You fling a smelly aether potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda suddenly craves pie.
L198[18:00:42] <Amanda> D:
L199[18:00:45] <Amanda> Rude fox!
L200[18:00:56] * Amanda eats all of Inari's pie in revenge
L201[18:01:44] <Inari> D:
L202[18:01:47] <Inari> we only made it this afternoon"
L203[18:02:17] <Amanda> nomnomnom fresh pie
L204[18:02:32] * Amanda shares some with Elfi
L205[18:13:15] <Amanda> %splash Inari with mutable tiberium potion
L206[18:13:15] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable tiberium potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari turns into a dryad until someone stabs them.
L207[18:13:34] <Inari> :f
L208[18:14:08] * Amanda hangs a sign around Inari "Sacred tree, no carving initials"
L209[18:21:30] * Amanda snuggles back up around Elfi, getting ready to get onto the metal bird
L210[18:25:23] <Amanda> So, in theory I'll now generate entirely new dhcp identities when I connect to the inflight wifi, so if the new vpn doesn't work, I can make my laptop put on funny mustaches
L211[18:25:42] <Amanda> I turned off sending the hostname, and made the id thingy be based on the (fake) mac
L212[18:43:18] <Va​ur> %tonk
L213[18:43:19] <MichiBot> Shoot! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 5 hours, 34 minutes and 29 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L214[18:43:20] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 5 hours, 34 minutes and 29 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00557)
L215[18:50:34] <Amanda> Izaya: what do you use for screen locking / lock screen?
L216[18:52:23] <Forec​aster> white-out, works great!
L217[18:52:41] <Amanda> Hrm, I don't know, sounds blinding
L218[18:52:47] <Amanda> I'll use tar instead
L219[18:52:55] <Amanda> Gotta have that dark mode
L220[19:20:27] * Amanda offers elfi a fairy-sized bit of gum so that her ears don't pop on ascent, bbs/l
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L223[20:22:53] * Elfi draws her initials on Inari with walnut ink
L224[20:32:36] <stephan48> Amanda: good luck with your wifi!
L225[20:45:50] <DaCompu​terNerd> %sip
L226[20:45:51] <MichiBot> You drink a still spice potion (New!). The potion bottle insults DaComputerNerd's haircut.
L227[20:51:37] <Forec​aster> We're gonna have to %smash that bottle
L228[20:51:53] <Forec​aster> ah shoot, too soon
L229[20:51:58] <Forec​aster> %smash that bottle
L230[20:51:59] <MichiBot> Forecaster smashes a pot. The pottery store owner yells at you, time to run away!
L231[20:52:15] <Forec​aster> oh right, that command doesn't take arguments, I should change that
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L233[21:06:24] <Amanda> stephan48: seems like going east has a different provider, at least for this leg of the flight. No free 20min for watching an ad :(
L234[21:06:51] <Forec​aster> how cheap
L235[21:06:51] <Amanda> Will see for the second leg
L236[21:07:40] <stephan48> aww
L237[21:07:55] <Amanda> Granted this was just a 1.5h flight
L238[21:11:18] <Forec​aster> or was it?!
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L241[21:27:52] <Forec​aster> I think some kind of propeller vehicle just went through
L242[21:35:33] <Amanda> Wow, who'd have thought that 41° would nessessitate a severe heat warning
L243[21:35:59] <Amanda> Sorry, 42°
L244[21:36:17] <Mic​hiyo> That depends on the scale you're using :P
L245[21:36:19] <Amanda> It went up a degree since I looked on the plane
L246[21:36:41] <Forec​aster> well, planes change degrees all the time
L247[21:36:43] <Amanda> ~105F
L248[21:37:56] <Amanda> Aka too damn hot, what did you hoomans do!?
L249[21:40:31] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L250[21:40:31] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forecaster, you were not able to beat Vaur's record of 5 hours, 34 minutes and 29 seconds this time. 2 hours, 57 minutes and 12 seconds were wasted! Missed by 2 hours, 37 minutes and 17 seconds!
L251[21:41:01] <Vaur> rip
L252[21:41:42] <Forec​aster> that was on purpose
L253[21:41:50] <Amanda> Likely story
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L256[22:11:44] <Forec​aster> There's that propeller again!
L257[22:14:40] <Amanda> Makes sense, I'm at an airport
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L259[22:41:19] <Amanda> %choose play with miranda or halucinate
L260[22:41:19] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I received a telegram from a long lost relative that only read "play with miranda". Weird.
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L262[23:29:11] <dequbed> Oh vey. TERF island is really planning on doing its name justice again. <.<
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L275[23:59:42] <Amanda> Oh?
L276[23:59:53] <Amanda> What're they doing now?
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