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L1[00:24:47] <Amanda> I've not opened the file that link gave me, but I assume you just did what @20kdc did for the kittenos Meo installer, and it's a super long comment at the end of the file
L2[00:34:00] * Amanda snuggles up around Elfi, meows her stories to her since she's getting bored of watching the machines work
L3[00:34:15] * Elfi petpet
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L5[02:14:50] * Amanda meows sleepily at elfi about how she's going to see a neat farm in upstate New York soon, where all the children's show mascots live
L6[02:16:01] * Amanda does a heccen zzzmew, dreams about fun new pranks to teach her fairy frens
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L8[03:38:26] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L9[03:38:27] <MichiBot> Waesucks! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 11 hours, 43 minutes and 54 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L10[03:38:28] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 11 hours, 43 minutes and 54 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.01173 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.23842 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L16[05:54:52] <ThePi​Guy24> >Izaya: meanwhile I'm sitting here wishing lua was used in web browsers and javascrip…
L17[05:54:52] <ThePi​Guy24> same
L18[05:54:53] <ThePi​Guy24> fuck js
L19[05:55:08] <Izaya> look at the upside
L20[05:55:15] <Izaya> Lua exists and doesn't have JS's tooling
L21[05:55:35] <ThePi​Guy24> atleast this exists https://fengari.io/
L22[06:02:34] <Izaya> > 215KB
L23[06:02:47] <Izaya> you'd have to have an absolutely massive page to justify using that huh
L24[06:04:10] <ThePi​Guy24> yeah but think about it
L25[06:04:14] <ThePi​Guy24> you get to not use js
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L28[06:59:57] <rate​r193> I was playing with OC2, and it is REALLY cool
L29[07:00:51] <rate​r193> it would be awesome if the network hub had a simulated programmable router like cisco or something
L30[07:01:06] <rate​r193> so that way users could gain real world experience for configuring and setting up networks
L31[07:01:21] <rate​r193> considering their is already a simulated linux environment
L32[07:01:44] <Izaya> I haven't used OC2 but the way you do that sort off thing in OC is to slap a server in a rack with multiple network interfaces and write some software to do the routing
L33[07:01:57] <rate​r193> the main reason for this is because it just acts like a hub, and floods the packets to all other users
L34[07:02:16] <rate​r193> yeah, its not normal OC
L35[07:02:43] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/28y9l6tk
L36[07:02:55] <rate​r193> i have been using OC ever since 1.12
L37[07:03:03] <rate​r193> i think, i might have actually used it longer than that
L38[07:03:29] <rate​r193> OC2 is definitely going down the right route because it will allow users to gain basic linux knowledge
L39[07:03:44] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/28vjee44
L40[07:03:56] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/2ye58dg5
L41[07:04:20] <Izaya> I hope OC2 ends up at feature parity with OC one day
L42[07:04:21] <rate​r193> if anyone is interested in playing with OC2, on a server, i will be setting up a server this weekend specifically for OC2, if anyone wants to play with the mod on a server
L43[07:04:33] <rate​r193> yeah i agree
L44[07:04:42] <rate​r193> it has potential
L45[07:05:12] <rate​r193> currently, it only has a redstone sensor block, but i dont think it can do much more than that
L46[07:05:27] <rate​r193> however, it was updated a month and a half ago
L47[07:05:35] <rate​r193> so i hope he continues to update it
L48[07:05:40] <rate​r193> i am really enjoying OCII
L49[07:07:19] <rate​r193> also, you dont have a LUA OS by default anymore
L50[07:07:26] <rate​r193> its a fully simulated linux environment
L51[07:07:30] <B​ob> somebody's gotta reimplement OpenOS in OC2
L52[07:07:32] <B​ob> and if nobody takes the bother, i have all my summer
L53[07:07:43] <B​ob> >rater193: its a fully simulated linux environment
L54[07:07:43] <B​ob> its a RISC-V environement
L55[07:07:46] <B​ob> the fact that you can run linux is a side effect of that
L56[07:07:47] <rate​r193> @Bob i definitely will give it a shot
L57[07:08:21] <B​ob> im just doing my research on how can i bend Rust into dynamic linking everything
L58[07:08:54] <rate​r193> btw, OC2 uses a version of linux called "buildroot"
L59[07:08:57] <B​ob> as it likes to consume so much damn space for binaries and link everything so tight, thats sure good for speed and modern platforms but it hurts here
L60[07:09:00] <rate​r193> incase anyone wants to do research into it
L61[07:09:40] <B​ob> isnt buildroot just a c toolchain thats meant to build linux
L62[07:09:47] <B​ob> linux there is linux
L63[07:09:51] <B​ob> its just been built trought buildroot's presets
L64[07:10:45] <B​ob> if you ever want to use Rust on OC2 <https://github.com/big-lip-bob/RustOC2Template/&gt;, shameless self plug
L65[07:11:55] <rate​r193> buildroot is used to just have a emulated environment, including things like permissions, libraries, bins, and even the way it pulls OS events.
L66[07:12:11] <rate​r193> at least from what ive gathered so far with using it
L67[07:12:20] <rate​r193> but ive only just started using it for about a hour
L68[07:12:32] <B​ob> all buildroot is is a toolchain
L69[07:12:36] <rate​r193> ah
L70[07:12:44] <B​ob> to build linux for embedded systems like OC2's RISC-V one
L71[07:13:06] <B​ob> it has premade templates, makefiles and stuff to get linux up and running
L72[07:13:19] <B​ob> Linux is sitll Linux, despite being build with buildroot
L73[07:20:01] <rate​r193> im still enjoying it lol
L74[07:22:01] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/22jva6ga
L75[07:22:28] <rate​r193> im playing around with creating a verbose output for the devices for the computer
L76[07:25:21] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/26fgftb2
L77[07:27:07] <B​ob> mind that the Lua devices library is slow af
L78[07:27:19] <B​ob> saphinefettucine rewrote it in Rust for Lua and leveraged a x6 speedup already
L79[07:27:28] <B​ob> LuaJIT should be coming to RISC-V soon
L80[07:34:41] <dequbed> Ah, how I missed the "entirely, fundamentally wrong — but extremely confident about it"-crowd. :'D
L81[07:48:36] * asie bonks dequbed around a bit
L82[07:48:47] <asie> let them have their fun
L83[07:48:50] <asie> it's a minecraft mod
L84[07:49:51] <dequbed> Ouch! yes ma'am o.o
L85[07:50:07] <rate​r193> oh crap
L86[07:50:23] <asie> if you're going to complain about them being "entirely, fundamentally wrong", educate, not laugh
L87[07:50:25] <asie> cheers
L88[07:51:03] <rate​r193> i agree lol
L89[07:51:06] <dequbed> asie: I did. Bob is *still* trying to dynamically link Rust. At this point I *will* laugh for my own sanity's sakec
L90[07:51:17] <asie> oh
L91[07:51:30] <asie> most modern languages don't focus on dynamic linking as much
L92[07:51:43] <asie> it causes more problems than it solves, and hard drive space is plentiful, and some optimizations click much better with static linking
L93[07:52:12] <dequbed> FFS I did not become a compiler engineer to reinvent global object stores because people refuse to think. No thanks fuck off and all that.
L94[07:52:24] <asie> wait you're a compiler engineer? shit
L95[07:52:42] <asie> where do I offer my tribute. do I burn an effigy in your name or do you accept mere worship
L96[07:52:57] <asie> what's the secret to LLVM backend develop-*runs*
L97[07:53:04] <dequbed> Your bonks were justified. But *fucking hell* I get to laugh at Bob :p
L98[07:53:23] <asie> my problem is that a lot of younger devs get discouraged off programming by such an approach
L99[07:53:30] <asie> I know many who struggle due to this kind of impact
L100[07:53:51] <asie> and, well, modding skews young and idealistic and buzzwordy and hyperpop!
L101[07:54:02] <dequbed> asie: I do not accept worship, safe that time and energy to solve actual problems. You're a very talented programmer we need more of you solving more problems <3
L102[07:54:23] <asie> yeah I'm not sure "porting gcc-ia16 to GCC 12" is an *actual* problem
L103[07:54:28] <asie> but I'm sure slowly solving it lol
L104[07:54:57] <dequbed> Oh totally I always prefer to educate. But I don't like repeating myself. I'm not a tape deck, I'm an engineer.
L105[07:55:01] <rate​r193> i was curious
L106[07:55:07] <rate​r193> i aparently can ssh into my own server
L107[07:55:24] <asie> dequbed: Yeah, sometimes it's just better to let them figure out things themselves if they want to
L108[07:55:26] <rate​r193> but because i have it setup to use ssh keys it was denied
L109[07:55:33] <rate​r193> but it ACTUALLY tried to connect to my ssh server o_o
L110[07:55:40] <asie> I'm very sensitive to discouragement. Many artistic fields have a lot of toxicity in this vein, and some programming spaces too
L111[07:55:42] <asie> SO I'm a bit oversensitive
L112[07:55:49] <dequbed> understandable
L113[07:55:54] <asie> Especially as computer mods are very much a gateway to programming
L114[07:56:03] <asie> and, in my incredible naivete, I am helping raise more competitors to my job position
L115[07:56:04] <dequbed> and good on you for calling it out too!
L116[07:56:09] <asie> thanks for being understanding
L117[07:56:11] <asie> it's appreciated
L118[07:56:12] <dequbed> toxic envs need be challenged
L119[07:56:26] <asie> absolutely
L120[07:56:28] <asie> glad we're on the same page lol
L121[07:56:39] <dequbed> always were :p
L122[07:56:43] <asie> either way we're still working (very slowly) on OC1 updates
L123[07:56:44] <B​ob> ill slowly but surely figure out how to make dynamic libs in Rust, also thinking about just going dynamic dispatching instead because screw serde
L124[07:56:48] <asie> I really hope to get 1.7.6 out this week
L125[07:56:52] <asie> and then 1.8.0-alpha1 shortly after
L126[07:56:59] <dequbed> \o/
L127[07:57:06] <asie> not sure if much more dev will happen, but we found the best testing group of all
L128[07:57:09] <asie> GT:NH pack developers
L129[07:57:37] <Kristo​pher38> oh boy
L130[07:57:48] <Kristo​pher38> I imagine they're very eager
L131[07:57:57] <B​ob> oh yeah they have their own fork and all
L132[07:58:01] <asie> yes
L133[07:58:05] <asie> we're working on upstreaming ~80% of it
L134[07:58:07] <B​ob> i'm trying to sneak OC into the CubicChunks test server i'm at
L135[07:58:13] <asie> yeah 1.7.6 will fix the GUIs
L136[07:58:20] <B​ob> hence the CC fix and other things im doing
L137[07:58:27] <asie> @Kristopher38 we already solved or are looking to solve a few bugs they couldn't figure out
L138[07:58:33] <asie> so absolutely
L139[07:58:35] <B​ob> once exams are done, ill fork your fixed forge gradle thing and commit the things i had in mind originally
L140[07:58:42] <asie> sure
L141[07:59:07] <B​ob> i just had issues with the Scala SDK last time so i was like eh for a later time ig
L142[07:59:37] <Kristo​pher38> asie: I love how this played out
L143[07:59:47] <asie> don't expect me to stick around for long
L144[07:59:54] <asie> i have more projects than time, and i'm only paid for my job
L145[08:00:25] <Kristo​pher38> understandable
L146[08:00:46] <B​ob> i mean, you still did an impressive job given the little time still
L147[08:01:07] <B​ob> with a correctly configured gradle setup, it should be easier for everyone to contribute in any case
L148[08:01:28] <asie> yep
L149[08:01:33] <asie> but 1.7/1.12 aren't too popular
L150[08:01:38] <asie> and I'd rather see more new dev happen to OC2
L151[08:10:14] <dequbed> you saw our cursed oc2 fork?
L152[08:13:00] <B​ob> oh i'd love to look into OC2 deeper lol
L153[08:13:07] <B​ob> but i can't even begin to comprehend whats going on
L154[08:13:23] <B​ob> With OC1, it was quite trivial from playing it but here
L155[08:14:27] <asie> dequbed: not really no
L156[08:15:26] <dequbed> asie: proper smart network switch & VXLAN adapter for outernet connections. You can probably still SSH in a computer on our test server
L157[08:15:38] <dequbed> See twitter and all that :p
L158[08:18:13] <asie> oh, that
L159[08:18:15] <asie> yeah
L160[08:18:17] <asie> i've seen *that*
L161[08:20:21] <dequbed> We're one fulltable storage solution away from doing an AS entirely in OC2
L162[09:13:59] <Forec​aster> %sip
L163[09:13:59] <MichiBot> You drink a molten oculemon potion (New!). Forecaster's favourite pants suddenly disintegrates.
L164[09:14:06] <Forec​aster> aw man
L165[09:39:51] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/2yypfh3w
L166[09:39:58] <rate​r193> I got it working with openos
L167[09:39:59] <rate​r193> somewhat
L168[09:40:02] <rate​r193> i renamed it to UnopenOS
L169[09:40:05] <rate​r193> XD
L170[09:40:20] <rate​r193> im playing around with it atm
L171[09:44:54] <rate​r193> CRAP
L172[09:44:55] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/2yn8qtx7
L173[09:44:59] <rate​r193> i cant terminate XDXD
L174[09:45:04] <rate​r193> LMFAO
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L177[10:22:30] <luna​r_sam> I LOVE DYNAMIC LINKING
L178[10:22:46] <luna​r_sam> except when it fights me
L179[10:31:02] <Forec​aster> if you like it so much you should marry it
L180[10:35:00] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/2baebjef
L181[10:35:12] <rate​r193> i re-implemented the term API
L182[10:35:23] <Forec​aster> origonal
L183[10:35:38] <rate​r193> yeah, OC2 is really cool
L184[10:35:51] <rate​r193> i love the fact it has a simulated linux OS that works really well xD
L185[10:36:35] <rate​r193> the sad part is i have to recreate openos
L186[10:36:36] <rate​r193> entirely
L187[10:36:44] <B​ob> do it in Zig
L188[10:36:53] <rate​r193> zig?
L189[10:37:09] <Forec​aster> ```
L190[10:37:10] <Forec​aster> Welcome! This OS is an attempt to as closely as possible recreate the original OpenOS from Open Computers 1! Feel free to report any bugs or suggest features!
L191[10:37:10] <Forec​aster> ```
L192[10:37:33] <B​ob> >rater193: zig?
L193[10:37:33] <B​ob> yeah we can use anything that compiles to RISC-V
L194[10:37:34] <rate​r193> yeah it should only take me a few days to recreate OpenOS for OC2
L195[10:37:50] <rate​r193> if i had more free time i could knock it out in just a few hours xD
L196[10:38:03] <B​ob> technically you can
L197[10:38:08] <B​ob> just reuse the base OpenOS code
L198[10:38:13] <B​ob> you just have to make an adapter for it
L199[10:38:18] <rate​r193> Hmmm...
L200[10:38:35] <rate​r193> i would rather just have a list of all its capabilities, and add them in 1 by 1, so i can format it to work exactly for OC2
L201[10:38:59] <rate​r193> also, i want to learn more about OC2's environment so i want to recreate it from the ground up 😛
L202[10:39:05] <B​ob> all you'd need to implement is this technically https://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:custom_oses
L203[10:39:09] <B​ob> anything that isnt in base Lua
L204[10:40:01] <rate​r193> oh!
L205[10:40:04] <rate​r193> that link is useful
L206[10:40:05] <rate​r193> thanks
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L208[10:41:02] <B​ob> the hardest would probably be `computer.pullSignal`
L209[10:41:19] <rate​r193> yeah i would probably have to make some sort of interpreter to allow it to translate into OC2
L210[10:41:24] <B​ob> what
L211[10:41:27] <rate​r193> but i think it is completely doable
L212[10:41:28] <B​ob> just use Lua 5.4
L213[10:42:03] <rate​r193> i want to implement all of the features from the origonal OC, so that way people (in theory) can just slap their old OC crap onto the system and go 🙂
L214[10:42:32] <B​ob> besides the fact that almost all components from OC1 dont exist in OC2
L215[10:42:57] <rate​r193> yeah i know... but i can create a "simulated" component system though
L216[10:43:07] <rate​r193> so the API functionality will still be there
L217[10:43:21] <rate​r193> it will just have the contents of the function translated into something that OC2 will understand
L218[10:43:23] <B​ob> yeah you can just make it in Lua aswell ?
L219[10:43:34] <rate​r193> partially lua, partially bash/sh
L220[10:43:40] <B​ob> how will bash help
L221[10:43:42] <rate​r193> well, it doesnt even have bash
L222[10:43:43] <B​ob> it cant do anything really
L223[10:43:49] <rate​r193> yes it can
L224[10:43:57] <B​ob> altough for the sake of speed and better flexibility, you'd need to use the C API
L225[10:44:00] <rate​r193> you can use sh to change the font color for example
L226[10:44:02] <rate​r193> using escape codes
L227[10:44:10] <B​ob> why do that, when you can use the frame buffer directly
L228[10:44:23] <rate​r193> hm?
L229[10:44:33] <B​ob> you're on linux, `/dev/fb0` is a thing
L230[10:44:38] <rate​r193> now im curious, how?
L231[10:44:39] <rate​r193> 😮
L232[10:44:51] <B​ob> again, gets down to how linux works
L233[10:45:00] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/27jg9uyc
L234[10:45:01] <B​ob> it has a framebuffer device accessible in `/dev`
L235[10:45:03] <B​ob> among many others
L236[10:45:06] <B​ob> then its `/dev/fb1` probably
L237[10:45:15] <B​ob> also its a socket
L238[10:45:19] <B​ob> its not a directory
L239[10:45:23] <rate​r193> yeah i saw
L240[10:45:28] <rate​r193> i navigated into /dev
L241[10:45:31] <rate​r193> and did a ls
L242[10:45:39] <B​ob> there's also the component bus `hvc0`
L243[10:45:54] <rate​r193> mind if i dm you about questions for this?
L244[10:46:05] <rate​r193> i would definitely love to colaborate with you on this a bit more
L245[10:46:13] <rate​r193> anything to provide a better experience for whoever uses the platform 🙂
L246[10:47:23] <rate​r193> man, if i could make it so they could change things on a pixel by pixel basis, that would be amazing! 😄
L247[10:48:05] <luna​r_sam> i think you don't have the framebufer dev unless you have a projector
L248[10:48:17] <rate​r193> crap 😦
L249[10:48:30] <luna​r_sam> (don't quote me)
L250[10:48:30] <rate​r193> yeah, i just tried, it didnt work
L251[10:48:38] <rate​r193> you cnat draw pixels directly to the screen
L252[10:48:42] <rate​r193> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/wigapuvaru
L253[10:48:47] <rate​r193> i grabbed a snipplet from the internet
L254[10:50:04] <B​ob> >lunar_sam: (don't quote me)
L255[10:50:04] <B​ob> guess then the screen is a tty, we can still use stdout i guess then as a last resort
L256[10:50:53] <lunar_sam> do we have the modified fonts from OC so we can use braile to draw :v
L257[10:51:14] <B​ob> eh
L258[10:51:30] <B​ob> direct FB access would be funnier
L259[10:51:56] <lunar_sam> it would be but there's probably net limitations
L260[10:51:59] <B​ob> esp since people want a virtio-gpu in sedna, thus the screens being pure ttys seems useless
L261[10:52:10] <B​ob> well the projector did it, albeit slowly
L262[10:52:22] <lunar_sam> keyword: slowly
L263[10:52:34] <B​ob> i'm not asking for 4K footage on OC2 lol
L264[10:52:46] <B​ob> just a handful of images to draw funny pepe pics
L265[10:52:58] <lunar_sam> lol
L266[10:53:18] <lunar_sam> i want it for dumber reasons
L267[10:53:27] <B​ob> fair fair
L268[10:55:21] <lunar_sam> in fact, even if i can't do with framebuffers
L269[10:55:26] <lunar_sam> i'll do it without em
L270[10:56:12] <lunar_sam> i will, however, need dequbed's fork for uhhhhh
L271[10:56:13] <lunar_sam> reasons
L272[10:57:06] <B​ob> live 4chan /pol/ thread huh
L273[10:57:14] <dequbed> it's on github somewhere lunar_sam
L274[11:03:16] <lunar_sam> @Bob that's too simple and kinda just dumb
L275[11:03:23] <lunar_sam> i want cool dumb B)
L276[11:04:23] <B​ob> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L277[11:11:55] <lunar_sam> basically
L278[11:11:58] <lunar_sam> i want to play audio :P
L279[11:15:24] <lunar_sam> i have an idea of how to do it, too
L280[11:21:13] <Forec​aster> https://xkcd.com/2633/
L281[11:21:37] <Forec​aster> Wonder what other weird hotlines there could be
L282[11:34:22] * Amanda yawns, stretchies, meows and looks around
L283[11:36:36] * Amanda goes looking for where Elfi's nightly adventures took her, so she can protecc
L284[11:46:24] <Forec​aster> %sip
L285[11:46:24] <MichiBot> You drink a smelly jumbonium potion (New!). Forecaster turns into a bear pig girl until they have a nap.
L286[11:46:39] <Forec​aster> but I can't nap at work
L287[11:48:57] <Amanda> Don't worry, I'm sure your work won;t have you shipped to a research lab
L288[11:55:44] * Elfi zzz on Amanda's back
L289[11:57:32] <Fe​ris> can i somehow listen for http request with internet api?
L290[11:57:44] <Amanda> no
L291[11:58:05] <Amanda> You can not send messages into OC without initiating it in OC first, like opening a socket
L292[11:58:24] <Forec​aster> pretty sure I told you that yesterday
L293[11:58:24] <Fe​ris> then how i can "initiate it:
L294[11:59:03] <Amanda> open a socket to your external service
L295[11:59:11] <Amanda> I forget what it's function is called
L296[11:59:52] <Fe​ris> https://tinyurl.com/2dcl2pba
L297[11:59:59] <Fe​ris> this?
L298[12:00:16] <Fe​ris> https://tinyurl.com/2aak8fdz
L299[12:00:20] <Forec​aster> yes
L300[12:00:40] <Fe​ris> but my english is not so good and i dont understand it 100%
L301[12:00:54] <Forec​aster> take the code and experiment with it
L302[12:01:01] <Fe​ris> okay
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L304[12:13:04] <Fe​ris> https://tinyurl.com/25pu4hve
L305[12:14:19] <Fe​ris> https://tinyurl.com/24z39teh
L306[12:23:43] <Va​ur> %sip
L307[12:23:44] <MichiBot> You drink a seeping crimson potion (New!). Vaur feels the need to use "%shell".
L308[12:43:24] <Z0id​berg> Interesting.
L309[12:43:36] <Z0id​berg> @Feris I have thought about doing something like this before.
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L313[14:10:22] <lunar_sam> man
L314[14:10:23] <cooki> henlo
L315[14:10:27] <lunar_sam> IPs for geolocation was a mistake
L316[14:10:56] <Amanda> I'm quite sure a small farm in Kansas would agree with you
L317[14:12:31] <cooki> this is confusing, like i know what users and operators are, but what is the voiced "rank"
L318[14:12:50] <Amanda> Means they can talk if the operators set mode +m
L319[14:12:55] <cooki> ah
L320[14:13:40] <cooki> so people with voiced can just bypass the mute then?
L321[14:13:47] <Amanda> yes
L322[14:13:50] <cooki> kk
L323[14:14:17] <Amanda> It's sometimes used in larger channels to allow vetted people to still talk if a botnet decides to spam the channel
L324[14:14:27] <Amanda> in #oc it's just a meaningless badge
L325[14:14:39] <cooki> hm
L326[14:14:54] <cooki> im guessing people form the oc irc can also join this?
L327[14:15:12] <cooki> like the actual irc in mc
L328[14:15:16] <Amanda> Yes
L329[14:15:19] <cooki> cool
L330[14:15:21] <Amanda> And using other clients as well
L331[14:15:36] <Amanda> For instance, I'm using an IRC <-> Matrix bouncer/bridge
L332[14:15:40] <cooki> hm
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L334[14:22:47] <Z0id​berg> Matrix is cool. I despise the inner workings of activity pub. The protocols underneath are disgusting. But the idea of activityub and federated networks? Awesome.
L335[14:24:04] <Z0id​berg> There is no reason to use JSON for something like that, and I've actually been looking into whether or not it'd be worth developing a new protocol similar to activitypub but more efficient.
L336[14:24:28] <dequbed> No, no it wouldn't
L337[14:27:25] <dequbed> And unrelated but Matrix does not use ActivityPub, it uses it's own HTTP-based Protocol
L338[14:27:31] <dequbed> still JSON though
L339[14:27:45] <Z0id​berg> Huh. I really thought it used activitypub
L340[14:27:57] <dequbed> nope
L341[14:28:36] <dequbed> that would violate the long-standing tradition of matrix to ignore every pre-existing standard available and roll their own version of it :p
L342[14:29:04] <Z0id​berg> HTTP is bad enough though as well really. Even HTTP/3 is just piling on more shit to an age old mime payload ASCII protocol.
L343[14:31:12] <Z0id​berg> For the dumb purposes of experimentation, some friends of mine and I have talked about the idea of an MQTT based federated network for ourselves to handle event payloads.
L344[14:32:37] <Z0id​berg> MQTT is not necessarily better in every case, but it's super useful as a binary pub/sub protocol
L345[14:32:56] <Amanda> So JSON over MQTT, got it
L346[14:33:50] <dequbed> Ah the irony of replacing an efficient established protocol because it's apparently text based with a protocol that's mostly text.
L347[14:34:48] <dequbed> But yes, MQTT as an explicit pub/sub protocol is definitely better at being a pub/sub protocol than the CRUD-Protocol is
L348[14:35:51] <Z0id​berg> Being text based isn't necessarily inherently bad, I mean IRC was text based to be super simple to implement clients for. I am starting to question though if "web browsing" is something I'd be willing to give up.
L349[14:36:13] <Amanda> Says the person on Discord
L350[14:36:27] <Amanda> Discord is just web browsers + Websockets
L351[14:36:28] <dequbed> ^
L352[14:36:34] <Z0id​berg> Right
L353[14:36:35] <dequbed> Like c'mon
L354[14:36:35] <Amanda> Also JSON'
L355[14:36:44] <Z0id​berg> OMG I wish Discord would update their version of electron in use at least
L356[14:36:51] <dequbed> Be reasonable. HTTP is good at what it is designed for
L357[14:37:14] <Z0id​berg> Question is, is HTTP good for what we use it for 😛
L358[14:37:26] <Z0id​berg> I mean HTTP was designed for one shot transmissions.
L359[14:37:40] <dequbed> If you can map what you need to CRUD patterns then yes.
L360[14:37:51] <Z0id​berg> sure.
L361[14:37:57] <dequbed> And chat fits that.
L362[14:38:04] <Z0id​berg> But I mean when people start using it as a continuous streaming protocol
L363[14:38:12] <dequbed> they dont
L364[14:38:13] <Z0id​berg> it starts to get scary
L365[14:38:21] <dequbed> they use websockets for that
L366[14:38:25] <Amanda> I mean. Websockets are an HTTP superset
L367[14:38:44] <Z0id​berg> that's what I mean. websockets are just on top of HTTP at the end of the day
L368[14:39:08] <dequbed> no they are streaming established over HTTP
L369[14:39:20] <dequbed> Like RTP is established over SIP
L370[14:39:28] <Amanda> I'll take websockets over letting any random website open arbitary sockets
L371[14:39:30] <Z0id​berg> Exactly. HTTP wasn't really meant for that though.
L372[14:40:32] <dequbed> Huh what?
L373[14:40:56] <dequbed> Session establishment is exactly the kind of CRUD HTTP is good at
L374[14:41:07] <Z0id​berg> The session part is fine.
L375[14:41:13] <Z0id​berg> session establishment*
L376[14:41:36] <Amanda> You know once the HTTP headers are done with, it's no longer HTTP right?
L377[14:42:02] <dequbed> Yeah
L378[14:42:07] <dequbed> websockets is not HTTP
L379[14:42:12] <dequbed> Far from it
L380[14:42:37] <dequbed> you can then send HTTP over the ws multiplexed stream again
L381[14:42:59] <dequbed> thats how you get a lot of control channel functionality back.
L382[14:43:01] <Amanda> Once the headers are done with, it's just a simple binary encapsulation protocol reusing the same HTTP socket
L383[14:43:23] <dequbed> but ws itself replaces HTTP entirely on that socket
L384[14:43:29] <Amanda> ^
L385[14:43:32] <Z0id​berg> Is it actually binary or is it base64?
L386[14:43:34] <Z0id​berg> I never looked
L387[14:44:01] <dequbed> Saying WS is just HTTP is like saying HTTPS is just TLS because the TLS handshake is used to establish the HTTP connection
L388[14:44:04] <Amanda> binary, IIRC. But it's just for the encapsulation, it doesn't care about what you're sending, it just handles wrapping it and feming it
L389[14:44:22] <Amanda> framing evem
L390[14:44:32] <Amanda> There is no forced femeninsation in WS
L391[14:45:23] <Z0id​berg> So at least we're not dealing with situations like SMTP
L392[14:45:53] <Z0id​berg> I noticed that all of the attachments in email messages get encoded as base64, at least from my server, I was like, wtf?
L393[14:46:08] <Amanda> Hystarical raisons
L394[14:46:08] <Z0id​berg> Just a waste for large attachment sizes.
L395[14:46:46] <Amanda> Like we said, once the headers are processed to say "This is a websocket connection" it's no longer HTTP
L396[14:47:05] <Amanda> I'm not even sure that the server sends back a HTTP response header
L397[14:47:22] <Amanda> but it's been a very long time since I looked at that
L398[14:47:24] <Z0id​berg> Hm. How does out of band control work at that point then. Do you have to create a new connection?
L399[14:47:46] <Z0id​berg> If so that's not too bad I suppose.
L400[14:47:50] <dequbed> No
L401[14:47:59] <dequbed> its multiplexed. I told you.
L402[14:48:20] <Z0id​berg> weird. I'm not sure I like that
L403[14:48:34] <dequbed> You better.
L404[14:48:54] <dequbed> Because good luck finding something that doesn't do it this way -.-
L405[14:49:07] <dequbed> Multiplexing is the correct approach here.
L406[14:53:19] <Amanda> Clearly clients should open dozens of connections for indipendent purposes, as God intended
L407[14:53:31] <Z0id​berg> Nah not with TCP.
L408[14:53:52] <Z0id​berg> Now if this were UDP, it could be a different story, since what consists of a connection is now up to the application itself.
L409[14:54:56] <Z0id​berg> At that point having multiple sockets open wouldn't greatly increase any overhead
L410[14:56:43] <Z0id​berg> Now what is stupid is the ridiculous count of TCP connections usually made to access many websites honestly.
L411[14:56:46] <dequbed> I too would like to live in a world without NAT
L412[14:56:50] <Z0id​berg> It makes dialup essentially useless now
L413[14:57:27] <Amanda> So what you're saying is an improvement for HTTP would be to multiplex multiple requests onto one socket. Have I got the protocol for you: HTTP/2
L414[14:57:30] <Z0id​berg> Because the TCP connections accessing every resource often time out due to the speed of handling TCP handshakes and acknowledgements
L415[14:58:03] <M​GR> >Z0idberg: It makes dialup essentially useless now
L416[14:58:03] <M​GR> Yes, I'm sure *that's* what makes dialup essentially useless
L417[14:58:06] <Z0id​berg> Right we can do that it's not always possible
L418[14:58:18] <Amanda> HTTP/2 is also semi-binary, with short compressed codes for all standardised HTTP headers
L419[14:58:55] <Z0id​berg> @MGR dialup is more than capable of displaying the contents of most web pages, if it were done using a single TCP connection, which like I said isn't always possible when we're talking about multiple CDNs just to display a page
L420[14:59:11] <M​GR> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L421[14:59:14] <M​GR> Whatever you want to believe
L422[14:59:22] <Z0id​berg> I work with modems on a regular basis for my own experiements. It is plenty fast enough for non-video content.
L423[14:59:53] <Z0id​berg> if we're not talking about downloading large ammounts of data
L424[15:01:02] <Forec​aster> can they download ram though
L425[15:05:06] <rate​r193> ugh
L426[15:05:10] <rate​r193> i was playing around with oc2
L427[15:05:18] <rate​r193> and this happened when i went to go back to edit my file..
L428[15:05:18] <rate​r193> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/rubesefewu
L429[15:05:26] <Z0id​berg> Back in school I used 1200 baud modems to form a pub/sub weather balloon network on VHF. It was perfectly fine and as fast as instant minus the fact that it was one frequency therefore there were collisions at times. It actually worked really well. It all depends on the data you're transmitting. For something like dialup, you don't have to worry about collisions, it's full duplex, and usually point to point to the carrier. 56K may seem slow to
L430[15:05:26] <Z0id​berg> you, heck, even 38 or 19K is just fine.
L431[15:05:35] <rate​r193> https://tinyurl.com/25do9sfx
L432[15:05:43] <rate​r193> rip!
L433[15:05:57] <Z0id​berg> @MGR I used to do ssh on 19.2K every day and it was as responsive as my 50 meg fiber connection
L434[15:06:15] <Z0id​berg> at least in how it felt
L435[15:06:34] <Z0id​berg> So it's absolutely relative
L436[15:07:00] <Forec​aster> >rater193: and this happened when i went to go back to edit my file..
L437[15:07:00] <Forec​aster> Too much edit, dial it back
L438[15:09:39] <M​GR> >Z0idberg: So it's absolutely relative
L439[15:09:40] <M​GR> https://discord.com/channels/125649403162656768/125649403162656768/986646056592883812 https://discord.com/channels/125649403162656768/125649403162656768/986646071734329474
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L441[15:50:54] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L442[15:50:55] <MichiBot> Uh-oh! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 11 hours, 43 minutes and 54 seconds (By 28 minutes and 32 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L443[15:50:56] <MichiBot> Va​ur has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.012 tonk points! plus 0.011 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 2.11228625. Position #1
L444[15:51:26] <Va​ur> sweet, sweet points
L445[16:05:17] <Forec​aster> %redshell Vaur
L446[16:05:17] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Unfortunately you missed with a 8 vs 14.
L447[16:12:12] <Z0id​berg> @MGR like my video card?
L448[16:12:14] <Z0id​berg> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/244230771232079873/774481277398155294/IMG_20201106_225002.jpg?width=1203&height=902
L449[16:12:21] <Z0id​berg> Dequbed will be like wtf
L450[16:12:37] <M​GR> I have no real opinion on it
L451[16:12:56] <Z0id​berg> It's a 3DFX voodoo chipset 🙂
L452[16:13:45] <M​GR> That was a good card a couple decades ago
L453[16:14:08] <dequbed> @Z0idberg I care way less than you appear to assume. And I too know my way around old tech. I just prefer to replace tech when it becomes obsolete, not several decades later ;)
L454[16:20:00] <Elfi> Obsolesence doesn't really apply if it means playing games only meant for the Glide API
L455[16:20:27] <Elfi> A 3DFX card still has its place in a retro computing computer case
L456[16:23:08] <Elfi> That said there are wrappers aplenty, provided you work around other legacy issues (which there are many)
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L461[16:53:02] <Amanda> %p
L462[16:53:04] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 0.42s
L463[16:53:07] <Amanda> woo
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L473[17:33:32] <Z0id​berg> There's not enough resources in the world to care if other people care or not. I just don't worry about it.
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L475[17:36:26] <Forec​aster> %care-o-meter
L476[17:36:26] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Detecting trace amounts of background caring, but nothing significant
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L481[19:14:33] <Va​ur> %sip
L482[19:14:34] <MichiBot> You drink a prickly green potion (New!). Vaur's left sock is now cursed.
L483[19:18:34] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L484[19:18:35] <MichiBot> Geez! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 27 minutes and 40 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L485[19:18:36] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 hours, 27 minutes and 40 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00346 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.26346 more points to pass Va​ur!
L486[19:32:54] <Amanda> %choose try and reconfigure the entire http stack in the homelab before sister gets home, or work on it tomorrow
L487[19:32:54] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: "try and reconfigure the entire http stack in the homelab before sister gets home", now with 30% fewer deaths caused by negligence!
L488[19:33:53] <Amanda> Hrm. I don't want to kill my sister or mother, so I'll wait until tomorroe
L489[20:31:25] <Forec​aster> %sip
L490[20:31:25] <MichiBot> You drink a smelly yellow potion (New!). Forecaster shrinks by a negligible amount until they stop thinking about it.
L491[20:31:37] <Forec​aster> that's not hard fortunately
L492[20:33:42] <Amanda> the hell
L493[20:34:03] <Amanda> "'/nix/store/3y4wvpi86rcdxn22nzncpxk9n6sqr0cd-nixos-system-34tauri-22.11.20220613.13f08d7' does not depend on '/nix/store/db04kv3k4zag469p4g09ds03wmlkr4g8-reiserfsprogs-3.6.24'" -- then why did it pull it in the rebuild?
L494[20:34:21] <Forec​aster> It just wanted it, as a collectible
L495[20:42:26] <Va​ur> %sip
L496[20:42:26] <MichiBot> You drink a fiery red potion (New!). Vaur is suddenly wearing gloves they don't remember putting on.
L497[20:47:27] <Z0id​berg> hmm. to create a metatable out of _ENV or just compose. Probably just compose.
L498[20:47:41] * Izaya presses the compose key
L499[20:47:45] <Z0id​berg> ha
L500[20:48:46] <Z0id​berg> I'm going to do this Erlang like thing where there's one API that is just composed right into _ENV for processes.
L501[20:49:15] <Z0id​berg> which comes with require(), spawn(), send(), and recv(). Not sure what else it should have.
L502[20:53:16] <Z0id​berg> oh, and yield() of course.
L503[21:03:13] * CompanionCube decomposes Izaya
L504[21:09:24] <Z0id​berg> yield takes .. right? Hmm lemme see
L505[21:09:43] <Z0id​berg> I'm pretty sure this will work:
L506[21:09:43] <Z0id​berg> `coroutine.yield(KERNEL_YC_SEND | KERNEL_YCWAIT && wait, phandle, msg)`
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L508[21:10:41] <Z0id​berg> meaning I can just send a whole list to coroutine.yield
L509[21:10:57] <Amanda> Holy shit, finally. Ventoy is the tool I've been looking for for years ever since someone mentioned something like it off-handedly in #computercraft in the long long ago
L510[21:12:14] <Michiyo> Direct USB boot of ISOs (and others)?
L511[21:12:20] <Michiyo> damn.. nice
L512[21:12:40] <Ocawes​ome101> ventoy is awesome
L513[21:13:16] <Z0id​berg> I've had a PXE boot server with syslinux menu a few times set up
L514[21:13:44] <Amanda> Michiyo: without having to flash the iso directly to the usb, ,too! It'll just work with a iso file plopped into the FAT partition on it!
L515[21:14:09] <Z0id​berg> So it's UEFI
L516[21:14:18] <Z0id​berg> I would think
L517[21:14:33] <Amanda> It supports normal BIOS as well, according to it's page
L518[21:14:39] <Z0id​berg> Hmmmm
L519[21:14:42] <Amanda> https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
L520[21:14:51] <Z0id​berg> I mean it's not impossible considering the MBR is still there
L521[21:14:53] <Z0id​berg> even with GPT
L522[21:14:57] <Amanda> "x86 Legacy BIOS, IA32 UEFI, x86_64 UEFI, ARM64 UEFI and MIPS64EL UEFI are supported in the same way."
L523[21:16:43] <Amanda> And to think, I found it because someone off-handedly mentioned it in NixOS's matrix rooms
L524[21:17:07] <Z0id​berg> I think I will do coroutine.yield(KERNEL_YC_SEND | KERNEL_YCWAIT && wait, {phandle, msg}) because, then I can forward the send easily.
L525[21:18:17] <Z0id​berg> ah the && needs to be changed to and
L526[21:18:28] <Z0id​berg> .yield(KERNEL_YC_SEND | KERNEL_YCWAIT and wait, {phandle, msg})
L527[21:42:02] <pay​onel> @zoi
L528[21:45:17] <Amanda> It's a wild @payonel!
L529[21:53:39] <Amanda> aaaaaand he's gone
L530[21:56:08] <Forec​aster> he still lives within our hearts
L531[21:56:51] <Forec​aster> imprisoned forever
L532[21:58:28] <pay​onel> i'm here!
L533[21:58:42] <pay​onel> oh my goodness, so good to hear i'm in someone's heart 🙂
L534[21:58:46] <pay​onel> sorry i've been gone for so long
L535[21:58:52] <pay​onel> i'm starting to find my voice again, slowly
L536[21:59:15] <Amanda> It's a @payonel!
L537[21:59:18] <Amanda> How've you been?
L538[22:06:29] <Ocawes​ome101> oh look it's payonel
L539[22:06:36] <Ocawes​ome101> been a hot minute
L540[22:19:37] <B​ob> its payonel !
L541[22:27:54] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Woo! Payonel!
L542[23:26:54] <pay​onel> @amanda i'm doing okay. I have been dealing with a very painful, and utterly unexpected divorce over the last couple of years, which basically killed my ability to do anything but just breath and go to work. but the storm is passing and though everything has been left destroyed in its wake, the wind is calm
L543[23:27:01] ⇦ Quits: Amanda (~m-yt727s@c-73-165-62-84.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 189 seconds)
L544[23:27:12] <pay​onel> AND amanda quits 🤷
L545[23:27:32] <Michiyo> Yeah the timing on that was.... not great lol
L546[23:27:35] ⇨ Joins: Amanda (~m-yt727s@c-73-165-62-84.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
L547[23:27:43] <pay​onel> wb amanda
L548[23:27:56] <Amanda> Weird, wonder what happen
L549[23:28:18] <Michiyo> "ping timeout" *shrug*
L550[23:28:56] <Amanda> Oh, I guess the modem got restarted for some reason:
L551[23:29:04] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/r0/download/camnet.site/taSIMkxxbLpdJazQStupCUyR/screenshot-1655335727.png
L552[23:29:56] * Michiyo hugs payonel
L553[23:29:59] <Amanda> "time="2022-06-15T19:24:39-04:00" level=error msg="Failed to login: Post \"http://192.168.100.1/cgi-bin/adv_pwd_cgi\": dial tcp 192.168.100.1:80: connect: network is unreachable" source="main.go:151""
L554[23:30:01] <Michiyo> Sorry dude.
L555[23:30:01] <Amanda> Guess so
L556[23:30:07] <pay​onel> i accept all hugs 🙂 thank you
L557[23:30:25] <Michiyo> Since Amanda blipped out
L558[23:30:26] <Michiyo> <^pay​onel> @amanda i'm doing okay. I have been dealing with a very painful, and utterly unexpected divorce over the last couple of years, which basically killed my ability to do anything but just breath and go to work. but the storm is passing and though everything has been left destroyed in its wake, the wind is calm
L559[23:30:49] <Amanda> ah, shit, sorry to hear that @payonel
L560[23:31:38] <pay​onel> yeah. the good part is that i'm no longer married to someone that is unfaithful
L561[23:31:59] <pay​onel> BUT anyways, we're doing some updates for 1.7.6
L562[23:32:18] <pay​onel> there is a 1.8.0 milestone we'll follow up on. i hear that GT um, NH? is really into OC these days
L563[23:32:45] <pay​onel> is isaac still doing crazy networking things? (was that his name?)
L564[23:33:12] <pay​onel> asie is committed to getting our lua updated.
L565[23:33:36] <pay​onel> which is messy for lots of reasons, related to eris. but it'll be good to have multiple people working on that
L566[23:34:38] <Michiyo> @payonel Izaya perhaps?
L567[23:34:46] <pay​onel> yes! izaya
L568[23:35:04] <Izaya> tfw forgotten
L569[23:39:07] <Amanda> What do you mean, Issac?
L570[23:39:09] <Amanda> :P
L571[23:40:46] <Amanda> Izaya: it was you that went and set up a MITM http proxy to scrape metrics from your UPS, wasn't it?
L572[23:40:59] <Izaya> tried too
L573[23:41:15] <Amanda> what brand UPS is it?
L574[23:41:26] <Izaya> Redback Technologies
L575[23:41:29] <Amanda> ah
L576[23:41:40] <Izaya> (and I mean, it's a bigge PV battery, not a UPS, but both are energy storage devices so \o/)
L577[23:42:08] <Amanda> ah
L578[23:42:43] <Amanda> I'm planning on picking up a CyberPower CP1350PFCLCD once I get back from California in July
L579[23:43:00] <Amanda> Plug the networking equipment, and my homelab into it
L580[23:43:01] <Izaya> I think most actual UPSes have some sort of serial or USB thinger
L581[23:43:31] <Amanda> yeah, co-admin recommended this model to me, as it's what he has, but he said there's limited metrics for it, which is sd
L582[23:43:36] <Amanda> sad*
L583[23:43:41] <Michiyo> You should swing through Oregon Amanda :P
L584[23:44:21] <Amanda> Michiyo: haha, I'd be game, but not likely to happen, we're flying in for my pop-pop's 90(?)th birthday
L585[23:44:58] <Amanda> I'm not even sure we're renting a car
L586[23:45:27] <Michiyo> GOtcha
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