L1[00:00:34] 
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> You can do without if you connect the power
source directly to the computer but wires are usually quite a nice
thing to have
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> You can do without if you connect the power
source directly to the computer but wires are usually quite a nice
thing to haveL2[00:03:14] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> >Kristopher38: Hawk777: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llr-lM0pIME&t=0s
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> >Kristopher38: Hawk777: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llr-lM0pIME&t=0sL3[00:03:15] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> I was just thinking "wow how could they
bring themselves to write all that lua" and then I see it's
actually written in Rust hahaha
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> I was just thinking "wow how could they
bring themselves to write all that lua" and then I see it's
actually written in Rust hahahaL4[00:03:48] <Kristopher38> he actually started writing
it all in lua originally
<Kristopher38> he actually started writing
it all in lua originallyL5[00:03:57] <Kristopher38> but had to reimplement
mutexes and all
<Kristopher38> but had to reimplement
mutexes and allL6[00:04:25] <Kristopher38> so he switched to running
it off-minecraft in the end
<Kristopher38> so he switched to running
it off-minecraft in the endL7[00:07:57] <Hawk777> Haha I’m not the
biggest fan of Lua either; that’s why I wrote OC-Wasm—well, partly
that, and partly because I thought writing something like Rust
would be easy to port to OC2 once it arrives (swap out the hardware
layer, keep the business logic).
L8[00:08:05] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Every time I try to write something large in lua
I start to lose my mind because the language really wants me to
write in a procedural or OOP style but has no types
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Every time I try to write something large in lua
I start to lose my mind because the language really wants me to
write in a procedural or OOP style but has no typesL9[00:08:39] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> And so it becomes really strenuous to keep tabs
on what's going where and what attributes are in what object
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> And so it becomes really strenuous to keep tabs
on what's going where and what attributes are in what objectL10[00:09:34] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> I've found better success in using a functional
style that's more focused on passing simple structs around but Lua
is very verbose with the word `function() end` being a lambda and
that gets quite clunky as well
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> I've found better success in using a functional
style that's more focused on passing simple structs around but Lua
is very verbose with the word `function() end` being a lambda and
that gets quite clunky as wellL11[00:10:05] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> >Hawk777: Haha I’m not the biggest fan of Lua
either; that’s why I wrote OC-Wasm—well, partly that, …
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> >Hawk777: Haha I’m not the biggest fan of Lua
either; that’s why I wrote OC-Wasm—well, partly that, …L12[00:10:05] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Is that for OC2?
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Is that for OC2?L13[00:10:10] <Hawk777> OC1.
L14[00:10:19] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Ooo really? That means I could use it
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Ooo really? That means I could use itL15[00:10:21] <Hawk777> It’s an
architecture that runs Wasm.
L16[00:10:26] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Exciting!
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Exciting!L17[00:10:28] <Hawk777> Maybe; I thought
you were stuck on 1.10? Or was that someone else?
L18[00:10:42] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> That was me, yes
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> That was me, yesL19[00:10:55] <Hawk777> You might be able
to backport it. I don’t have any interest in doing so myself.
L20[00:11:09] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> I am willing to make sacrifices for Rust
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> I am willing to make sacrifices for RustL21[00:11:12] <Hawk777> https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/oc-wasm
L22[00:12:55] <Hawk777> IMO not a lot of
point writing something like that for OC2, since OC2 runs native
code, so I’d just compile my Rust (or whatever else) to RISC-V
machine code instead.
L23[00:13:41] <lunar_sam>
i have yet to make zorya for OC2 lmao
<lunar_sam>
i have yet to make zorya for OC2 lmaoL24[00:14:23] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> I'm not too read-up on OC2 so I don't know the
details. I just knew it was going to make it easier to use other
languages with OC
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> I'm not too read-up on OC2 so I don't know the
details. I just knew it was going to make it easier to use other
languages with OCL25[00:15:07] <Hawk777> It’s a RISC-V
emulator. It runs Linux.
L26[00:15:21] <Hawk777> It communicates
with components via something that looks vaguely like a serial port
over which you shovel JSON.
L27[00:15:23] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> On whose computer?
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> On whose computer?L28[00:15:25] <Hawk777> That’s about all I
know.
L29[00:15:28] <Hawk777> Your own, running
Minecraft.
L30[00:15:35] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> How do servers work then?
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> How do servers work then?L31[00:15:35] <Hawk777> The RISC-V emulator
is inside the Minecraft mod AFAIK.
L32[00:15:47] <Hawk777> Presumably the
emulator runs on the server, just like in OC1 where the Lua VM
does?
L33[00:15:52] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Do people "own" computers and take
responsibility for them?
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Do people "own" computers and take
responsibility for them?L34[00:16:01] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Oh I see
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Oh I seeL35[00:16:08] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> That sounds scary from a security point of
view
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> That sounds scary from a security point of
viewL36[00:16:13] <Hawk777> Why?
L37[00:16:37] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> I guess if it's a VM then all the sandboxing is
already handled
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> I guess if it's a VM then all the sandboxing is
already handledL38[00:16:54] <Izaya> no scarier than
OC1
L39[00:16:54] <Hawk777> TBH it’s probably
*more* secure than OC1, where Lua was run in a library written in
native code. I *think* the OC2 RISC-V emulation is written in Java,
which means no e.g. buffer overflows out of your fake memory and
stuff.
L40[00:17:25] <Amanda> %choose halucinate
or spaaaace
L41[00:17:25] <MichiBot> Amanda:
halucinate'os, for a complete breakfast!
L42[00:17:39] <Amanda> Hrm. It's rather
late for breakfast, but time is meaningless anyway, so okay
L43[00:17:53] *
Amanda flops down around Elfi with a bowl of
halucinate'os
L44[00:19:01] <Izaya> speaking of
"surely someone didn't do all that in Lua"
L45[00:19:04] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/c9f3.jpg
L46[00:19:17] <lunar_sam> god
L47[00:19:35] <lunar_sam> that reminds me,
i stil have yet to make my awesomewm interface
L48[00:19:43] <lunar_sam> i want the funny
three buttons at the bottom like android
L49[00:20:16] <Izaya> I may yet bludgeon a
back button into software
L50[00:20:35] <lunar_sam> just make it
send, what
L51[00:20:45] <lunar_sam> mouse 4?
L52[00:20:45] <lunar_sam> or was it mouse
5
L53[00:20:55] <Izaya> that won't work for
everything because software sucks
L54[00:21:11] <lunar_sam> the back button
doesn't always work in android
L55[00:21:22] <Izaya> going to have a
complicated setup for making some combination of fake keypresses,
mouse buttons, and ghost clicks
L56[00:21:27] <lunar_sam> bad software
exists
L57[00:21:35] <Izaya> as in "press
'back' to click on the top right corner"
L58[00:21:40] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Mouse5 I think
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Mouse5 I thinkL59[00:22:01] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Mouse4 is "go forward again"
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Mouse4 is "go forward again"L60[00:22:16] <lunar_sam> anyways, i might
do some fuckery with virtual outputs and whatnot
L61[00:22:20] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> ...Now I'm doubting myself
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> ...Now I'm doubting myselfL63[00:22:55] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> I have been vindicated
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> I have been vindicatedL65[00:23:43] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> "Error: attempted to call a nil
value"
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> "Error: attempted to call a nil
value"L66[00:24:05] <Izaya> :p
L67[00:24:13] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Now you get to crawl across 10,000 lines of code
to find the mistake :)))
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Now you get to crawl across 10,000 lines of code
to find the mistake :)))L68[00:24:20] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> It could be literally anywhere because
tables
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> It could be literally anywhere because
tablesL69[00:24:27] <Izaya> can't relate
tbh
L70[00:24:54] <Izaya> the errors are
usually suitably specific IME
L71[00:25:04] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/e55e.png
L72[00:25:04] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Ah that's good
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Ah that's goodL73[00:25:20] <lunar_sam> wonder why i'm
being blasted by I/O usage
L74[00:25:24] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> I think it's just because I get too excited with
the way I use tables
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> I think it's just because I get too excited with
the way I use tablesL75[00:25:40] <Izaya> OOP is best used in
small doses :)
L76[00:26:08] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Hahaha
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> HahahaL77[00:26:19] <lunar_sam> lol
L78[00:26:26] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Those error messages look entertaining
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Those error messages look entertainingL79[00:26:32] <lunar_sam> Izaya: tsuki on
"""real""" hardware soon
L80[00:26:40] <lunar_sam> by real i mean
VMs
L81[00:26:58] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Everything is virtual
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Everything is virtualL82[00:26:59] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> Nothing is real
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> Nothing is realL84[00:29:07] <lunar_sam> the real question
is: how will i pull off multi core madness
L85[00:29:27] <lunar_sam> ~also how will i
get Tsuki to run on my P3 machine~
L86[00:31:10] <Aggressive
Post-It Note> With great trepidation and many long
nights?
<Aggressive
Post-It Note> With great trepidation and many long
nights?L87[00:31:56] <lunar_sam> i don't have any
easy to work with video cars
L88[00:31:58] <lunar_sam> *cards
L89[00:32:23] <Izaya> serial port
L90[00:32:41] <lunar_sam> fair enough
L91[00:32:52] <lunar_sam> got uhhh
L92[00:32:54] <lunar_sam> three of
those
L93[00:32:55] <lunar_sam> lol
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peer)
L97[01:25:55] <Ocawesome101> social security: A national
number for a people that doesn't want one, on an id card that fails
at id, given to everyone, except when it isn't, for a program
that's universal, except when it's not.
<Ocawesome101> social security: A national
number for a people that doesn't want one, on an id card that fails
at id, given to everyone, except when it isn't, for a program
that's universal, except when it's not.L98[01:26:00] <Ocawesome101> -- CGP Grey
<Ocawesome101> -- CGP GreyL99[01:26:41] ⇨
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L101[03:20:36] <sapphicfettucine> after way too much
work
<sapphicfettucine> after way too much
workL102[03:20:44] <sapphicfettucine> OS-less rendering in
OC2
<sapphicfettucine> OS-less rendering in
OC2L103[03:29:58] <ThePiGuy24> nice
<ThePiGuy24> niceL104[04:13:46] *
Amanda curls up around Elfi, meows happy facts about
squirrels
L105[04:13:58] *
Amanda zzzmews
L106[04:14:01] <Amanda> Night nerds
L107[04:16:00] <sapphicfettucine> gnight!
<sapphicfettucine> gnight!L108[04:52:39] ⇦
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L109[04:54:52] <DaComputerNerd> OC2 seems cool
<DaComputerNerd> OC2 seems coolL110[05:00:37] <DaComputerNerd> %tonk
<DaComputerNerd> %tonkL111[05:00:37] <MichiBot> DaComputerNerd:
You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L112[05:00:53] <Daviana>
isnt OC2 like suuuuuper early in development tho
<Daviana>
isnt OC2 like suuuuuper early in development thoL113[05:01:38] <DaComputerNerd> Yeah
<DaComputerNerd> YeahL114[05:02:54] <DaComputerNerd> %tonk C6ED6
<DaComputerNerd> %tonk C6ED6L115[05:02:55] <MichiBot> Blast!
DaComputerNerd! You beat Michiyo's previous record of 6 hours, 36
minutes and 34 seconds (By 7 minutes and 19 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L116[05:02:56] <MichiBot> DaComputerNerd's
new record is 6 hours, 43 minutes and 54 seconds! DaComputerNerd
also gained 0.00084 (0.00012 x 7) tonk points for stealing the
tonk. Position #9. (Overtook CompanionCube) Need 0.00068 more
points to pass nil!
L117[05:03:28] <DaComputerNerd> Could have sworn I've
done that before. I guess it probably reset at some point
<DaComputerNerd> Could have sworn I've
done that before. I guess it probably reset at some pointL118[05:08:08] <Daviana>
still sad that no opencomputers update anymore
<Daviana>
still sad that no opencomputers update anymoreL119[05:10:31] <sapphicfettucine> >Daviana: isnt OC2
like suuuuuper early in development tho
<sapphicfettucine> >Daviana: isnt OC2
like suuuuuper early in development thoL120[05:10:31] <sapphicfettucine> it's pretty usable by
now honestly
<sapphicfettucine> it's pretty usable by
now honestlyL121[05:10:38] <sapphicfettucine> still very alpha but
you can do a fair bit already
<sapphicfettucine> still very alpha but
you can do a fair bit alreadyL122[05:10:44] <Daviana>
yeah but not anywhere near as much content as OC1
<Daviana>
yeah but not anywhere near as much content as OC1L123[05:10:53] <Daviana>
plus i shamefully do not understand linux
<Daviana>
plus i shamefully do not understand linuxL124[05:17:09] <DaComputerNerd> I did have a couple
questions on it
<DaComputerNerd> I did have a couple
questions on itL125[05:17:10] <Daviana>
so apparently some guy named fnuecke last made a commit on dec 27th
2021 on the github
<Daviana>
so apparently some guy named fnuecke last made a commit on dec 27th
2021 on the githubL126[05:17:14] <Daviana>
for 1.12.2
<Daviana>
for 1.12.2L127[05:17:36] <Daviana>
sad, i really liked opencomputers and i wanted to bring it to my
1.16 pack, but it's looking less and less likely
<Daviana>
sad, i really liked opencomputers and i wanted to bring it to my
1.16 pack, but it's looking less and less likelyL128[05:18:42] <DaComputerNerd> I gather OC2 emulates a
RISC-V system. On looking into the architecture, I wondered about
what extensions for the instruction set are available
<DaComputerNerd> I gather OC2 emulates a
RISC-V system. On looking into the architecture, I wondered about
what extensions for the instruction set are availableL129[05:19:03] <Daviana>
yeah see that hurts my little brain
<Daviana>
yeah see that hurts my little brainL132[05:19:22] <DaComputerNerd> Ah nice
<DaComputerNerd> Ah niceL133[05:19:25] <Daviana> i
understood openos because it was lua, which is good for a simpleton
such as myself
<Daviana> i
understood openos because it was lua, which is good for a simpleton
such as myselfL134[05:19:26] <DaComputerNerd> I also wonder if and how
components can be accessed at that level
<DaComputerNerd> I also wonder if and how
components can be accessed at that levelL135[05:19:44] <sapphicfettucine> yes, with a bit of
work
<sapphicfettucine> yes, with a bit of
workL136[05:20:04] <DaComputerNerd> Are they just mapped to a
part of the address space?
<DaComputerNerd> Are they just mapped to a
part of the address space?L137[05:20:44] <sapphicfettucine> iirc, they're a VirtIO
console device
<sapphicfettucine> iirc, they're a VirtIO
console deviceL138[05:21:11] <sapphicfettucine> i'm working on it
slowly so if you want i can ping you when i have something to show
about interacting with the device api at the bare metal level
<sapphicfettucine> i'm working on it
slowly so if you want i can ping you when i have something to show
about interacting with the device api at the bare metal levelL139[05:21:46]
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L141[05:21:59] <DaComputerNerd> Sure
<DaComputerNerd> SureL142[05:22:27] <sapphicfettucine> but yeah, the layout is
that you have some base components as memory-mapped to the address
space - like the console and the projector
<sapphicfettucine> but yeah, the layout is
that you have some base components as memory-mapped to the address
space - like the console and the projectorL143[05:22:57] <sapphicfettucine> and others are mmap'ed
but specifically through the virtio specification which has it's
own set of behaviours
<sapphicfettucine> and others are mmap'ed
but specifically through the virtio specification which has it's
own set of behavioursL144[05:59:52] <CompanionCube> Izaya: now
on scottish labour: a council candidate is none other than former
leader of the flippin orange order.
L145[06:00:05] <CompanionCube> Skye: Lizzy
^
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L149[06:51:50] <Bob> i
havent figured out yet how either the screen or the projector
work
<Bob> i
havent figured out yet how either the screen or the projector
workL150[06:52:06] <Bob> i've
seen there are additional `hvc` devices but so far never tried
anything
<Bob> i've
seen there are additional `hvc` devices but so far never tried
anythingL151[07:06:37] ⇦
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L152[07:15:01] <Ocawesome101> it might be interesting to
make an OS for OC2 that just runs Lua
<Ocawesome101> it might be interesting to
make an OS for OC2 that just runs LuaL153[07:15:11] <Ocawesome101> e.g. LuPi2 but for
OC2
<Ocawesome101> e.g. LuPi2 but for
OC2L154[07:15:23] <Ocawesome101> (and ideally with fewer
irritating heisenbugs)
<Ocawesome101> (and ideally with fewer
irritating heisenbugs)L155[07:15:59] <CompanionCube> maybe
something lightereeight than a full kernel
L156[07:16:26] <Ocawesome101> yeah, probably, though
memory restrictions are less of a concern
<Ocawesome101> yeah, probably, though
memory restrictions are less of a concernL157[07:24:19] <Bob> tbh,
OpenOS in OC2
<Bob> tbh,
OpenOS in OC2L158[07:24:24] <Bob> thats
all i want to see
<Bob> thats
all i want to seeL159[07:24:38] <Bob> maybe
some extentions amd C Lib abilities sure but still, base
OpenOS
<Bob> maybe
some extentions amd C Lib abilities sure but still, base
OpenOSL160[07:24:55] <Bob>
altough to have fast component interaction and what not, C Libs
would still be used
<Bob>
altough to have fast component interaction and what not, C Libs
would still be usedL161[07:25:04] <Bob> or
even better yet Run Lua ontop of some runtime
<Bob> or
even better yet Run Lua ontop of some runtimeL162[07:27:32] <sapphicfettucine> >Bob: i havent
figured out yet how either the screen or the projector work
<sapphicfettucine> >Bob: i havent
figured out yet how either the screen or the projector workL163[07:27:32] <sapphicfettucine> it's a
framebuffer
<sapphicfettucine> it's a
framebufferL164[07:27:41] <sapphicfettucine> on linux it's mapped to
/dev/fb0
<sapphicfettucine> on linux it's mapped to
/dev/fb0L165[07:28:13] <CompanionCube> standard
fbdev, huh?
L166[07:28:28] <sapphicfettucine> 640x480 rgb 565. just
write pixel data there and works like a charm
<sapphicfettucine> 640x480 rgb 565. just
write pixel data there and works like a charmL167[07:28:35] <sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube:
standard fbdev, huh?
<sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube:
standard fbdev, huh?L168[07:28:36] <sapphicfettucine> yeep
<sapphicfettucine> yeepL169[07:29:15] <CompanionCube> inb4
revival of 2D accel for OC2 :p
L170[07:30:15] <sapphicfettucine> my current testing is
just "can i get it to go faster by simply stripping out the
OS"
<sapphicfettucine> my current testing is
just "can i get it to go faster by simply stripping out the
OS"L171[07:37:48] <Bob>
zamn
<Bob>
zamnL172[07:38:07] <Bob>
>CompanionCube: inb4 revival of 2D accel for OC2 :p
<Bob>
>CompanionCube: inb4 revival of 2D accel for OC2 :pL173[07:38:07] <Bob>
there's a PR that plans to add GPU acceleration to OC2, we might
get DOOM to run
<Bob>
there's a PR that plans to add GPU acceleration to OC2, we might
get DOOM to runL174[07:38:25] <Bob> we
must get DOOM running on OC2
<Bob> we
must get DOOM running on OC2L175[07:38:47] <CompanionCube> virtio-gpu
or something else?
L176[07:38:56] <sapphicfettucine> virtio gpu
<sapphicfettucine> virtio gpuL177[07:39:26] <sapphicfettucine> it's on the sedna repo
iirc
<sapphicfettucine> it's on the sedna repo
iircL178[07:39:33] <CompanionCube> also can't
you just software render DOOM
L179[07:39:48] <CompanionCube> you never
said anything about performance
L180[07:39:48] <sapphicfettucine> very likely
<sapphicfettucine> very likelyL181[07:40:13] <Bob> that
too but still
<Bob> that
too but stillL182[07:40:16] <Bob> the
faster the better
<Bob> the
faster the betterL183[07:41:04] <Forecaster> >DaComputerNerd: Could
have sworn I've done that before. I guess it probably reset at some
poi…
<Forecaster> >DaComputerNerd: Could
have sworn I've done that before. I guess it probably reset at some
poi…L184[07:41:05] <Forecaster> We reset each newyears
<Forecaster> We reset each newyearsL185[07:42:28] <sapphicfettucine> someday i will perform
my evil plan
<sapphicfettucine> someday i will perform
my evil planL186[07:42:33] <sapphicfettucine> of running h264 on
oc2
<sapphicfettucine> of running h264 on
oc2L187[07:42:47] <sapphicfettucine> it is technically
possible, compilation wise, but i need to up the default ram
sizes
<sapphicfettucine> it is technically
possible, compilation wise, but i need to up the default ram
sizesL189[07:45:59] <Bob>
>sapphicfettucine: of running h264 on oc2
<Bob>
>sapphicfettucine: of running h264 on oc2L190[07:46:00] <Bob>
plausible for small enough video sizes tbh
<Bob>
plausible for small enough video sizes tbhL191[07:46:44] <sapphicfettucine> the problem is more 1.
speed 2. memory usage
<sapphicfettucine> the problem is more 1.
speed 2. memory usageL192[07:48:21] <ThePiGuy24> i still have yet to mess
about with oc2
<ThePiGuy24> i still have yet to mess
about with oc2L193[07:48:26] <ThePiGuy24> i probably should seems
fun
<ThePiGuy24> i probably should seems
funL194[07:48:40] <ThePiGuy24> and seems to allow for more
cursed shit than oc1
<ThePiGuy24> and seems to allow for more
cursed shit than oc1L195[07:48:59] <Bob> yeah,
use Rust :)
<Bob> yeah,
use Rust :)L196[07:50:13] <sapphicfettucine> it 100% allows more
cursed shit it's great
<sapphicfettucine> it 100% allows more
cursed shit it's greatL197[07:51:13] <Bob>
<https://github.com/big-lip-bob/RustOC2Template/>
obligatory shameless self plug
<Bob>
<https://github.com/big-lip-bob/RustOC2Template/>
obligatory shameless self plugL198[07:58:18] <ThePiGuy24> >Bob: yeah, use Rust
:)
<ThePiGuy24> >Bob: yeah, use Rust
:)L199[07:58:18] <ThePiGuy24> sorry i still have my dignity
xd
<ThePiGuy24> sorry i still have my dignity
xdL200[07:58:38] <ThePiGuy24> also why would i use rust
when i have c ;p
<ThePiGuy24> also why would i use rust
when i have c ;pL201[07:59:10] <sapphicfettucine> if you want using raw
pointers to feel like more of a thrill because of not using them
for most things?
<sapphicfettucine> if you want using raw
pointers to feel like more of a thrill because of not using them
for most things?L202[07:59:10] <ThePiGuy24> i want to do cursed shit, i
want to mismanage my memory, i want to segfault
<ThePiGuy24> i want to do cursed shit, i
want to mismanage my memory, i want to segfaultL203[07:59:37] <Bob> can
we make OC2 kernel panic
<Bob> can
we make OC2 kernel panicL204[07:59:44] <ThePiGuy24> probably
<ThePiGuy24> probablyL205[07:59:49] <sapphicfettucine> just don't put enough
ram in
<sapphicfettucine> just don't put enough
ram inL206[07:59:50] <Bob>
escape the simulation
<Bob>
escape the simulationL207[08:00:06] <sapphicfettucine> >ThePiGuy24: i want
to do cursed shit, i want to mismanage my memory, i want to
segfault
<sapphicfettucine> >ThePiGuy24: i want
to do cursed shit, i want to mismanage my memory, i want to
segfaultL208[08:00:06] <sapphicfettucine> 🤝
<sapphicfettucine> 🤝L209[08:00:11] <sapphicfettucine> i regularly do this in
rust
<sapphicfettucine> i regularly do this in
rustL210[08:00:24] <Bob> i
have `unsafe` in my code
<Bob> i
have `unsafe` in my codeL211[08:00:38] <sapphicfettucine> to quote a
friend,
<sapphicfettucine> to quote a
friend,L212[08:00:38] <sapphicfettucine> > those who say you
should never use an `unsafe {}` block in rust are just jealous of
those who can
<sapphicfettucine> > those who say you
should never use an `unsafe {}` block in rust are just jealous of
those who canL213[08:00:49] <ThePiGuy24> also rusts syntax bothers
me
<ThePiGuy24> also rusts syntax bothers
meL214[08:01:01] <ThePiGuy24> and its annoyingly different
keywords
<ThePiGuy24> and its annoyingly different
keywordsL215[08:01:16] <sapphicfettucine> i like it because i
like functional languages but am too perpetually exhausted to
re-learn lisp
<sapphicfettucine> i like it because i
like functional languages but am too perpetually exhausted to
re-learn lispL216[08:01:31] <sapphicfettucine> so it hits a nice
middle ground for me
<sapphicfettucine> so it hits a nice
middle ground for meL217[08:01:42] <Bob> the
syntax isnt that bad
<Bob> the
syntax isnt that badL218[08:01:45] <Bob> i
dont see why all people hate it
<Bob> i
dont see why all people hate itL219[08:01:48] <Bob> it
makes sense
<Bob> it
makes senseL220[08:01:53] <Bob> sure
the turbofish is a weird addition
<Bob> sure
the turbofish is a weird additionL222[08:01:56] <Bob> but
its perfectly inline
<Bob> but
its perfectly inlineL223[08:02:03] <Bob> we
can do the same lol
<Bob> we
can do the same lolL224[08:02:09] <sapphicfettucine> at least we can agree,
hopefully
<sapphicfettucine> at least we can agree,
hopefullyL225[08:02:16] <sapphicfettucine> that both it and
c
<sapphicfettucine> that both it and
cL226[08:02:27] <sapphicfettucine> have in common being
better than golang syntaz
<sapphicfettucine> have in common being
better than golang syntazL227[08:02:31] <sapphicfettucine> have in common being
better than golang syntax [Edited]
<sapphicfettucine> have in common being
better than golang syntax [Edited]L228[08:02:40] <ThePiGuy24> idk ive never touched
golang
<ThePiGuy24> idk ive never touched
golangL229[08:02:46] <Bob>
golang lul
<Bob>
golang lulL230[08:02:51] <Bob> we
have LuaJIT, no thanks
<Bob> we
have LuaJIT, no thanksL231[08:02:57] *
CompanionCube locks sapphic in a haskell purely-functional
room
L232[08:03:13] <ThePiGuy24> though one syntax i hate is
python, despite it being the language i use most
<ThePiGuy24> though one syntax i hate is
python, despite it being the language i use mostL233[08:03:32] <ThePiGuy24> just, fuck indentation based
syntax, its horrible
<ThePiGuy24> just, fuck indentation based
syntax, its horribleL234[08:04:13] <Bob> my
condolences
<Bob> my
condolencesL235[08:04:16] <Bob>
haskell isnt that had tbh
<Bob>
haskell isnt that had tbhL236[08:04:30] <Bob> at
least it isnt scheme
<Bob> at
least it isnt schemeL237[08:04:32] <Bob>
🤢
<Bob>
🤢L238[08:04:46] <ThePiGuy24> >CompanionCube: _locks
sapphic in a haskell purely-functional room_
<ThePiGuy24> >CompanionCube: _locks
sapphic in a haskell purely-functional room_L239[08:04:46] <ThePiGuy24> tfw you lock up the entire
concept of lesbians
<ThePiGuy24> tfw you lock up the entire
concept of lesbiansL240[08:05:27] <sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube:
_locks sapphic in a haskell purely-functional room_
<sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube:
_locks sapphic in a haskell purely-functional room_L241[08:05:27] <sapphicfettucine> i don my magical cape
and chant the magic words
<sapphicfettucine> i don my magical cape
and chant the magic wordsL242[08:05:31] <sapphicfettucine>
accursedUnutterablePerformIO
<sapphicfettucine>
accursedUnutterablePerformIOL243[08:05:31] <CompanionCube> locking up
abstract concepts is very haskell tbf
L244[08:06:20] <sapphicfettucine> >Bob: at least it
isnt scheme
<sapphicfettucine> >Bob: at least it
isnt schemeL245[08:06:20] <sapphicfettucine> pouts in lisp
enjoyer
<sapphicfettucine> pouts in lisp
enjoyerL246[08:07:02] <sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube:
locking up abstract concepts is very haskell tbf
<sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube:
locking up abstract concepts is very haskell tbfL247[08:07:03] <sapphicfettucine> yeah it is absolutely
haskell
<sapphicfettucine> yeah it is absolutely
haskellL248[08:07:17] <CompanionCube> also oh no
i am defeated
L249[08:07:29] <sapphicfettucine> > Yield not to its
blasphemous call! Flee traveller! Flee or you will be corrupted and
devoured!
<sapphicfettucine> > Yield not to its
blasphemous call! Flee traveller! Flee or you will be corrupted and
devoured!L250[08:07:36] <CompanionCube> even though
i think it's deprecated
L251[08:07:53] <sapphicfettucine> the specific header
is
<sapphicfettucine> the specific header
isL252[08:07:59] <sapphicfettucine> "Deprecated and
unmentionable"
<sapphicfettucine> "Deprecated and
unmentionable"L253[08:08:28] <ThePiGuy24> i cant tell whether you are
making shit up or whether haskell is just absurd enough to be like
that
<ThePiGuy24> i cant tell whether you are
making shit up or whether haskell is just absurd enough to be like
thatL254[08:08:37] <CompanionCube> no it
L255[08:08:39] <sapphicfettucine> i am being 100%
serious
<sapphicfettucine> i am being 100%
seriousL256[08:08:41] <CompanionCube> it's a real
function
L257[08:08:49] <sapphicfettucine> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/bytestring-0.11.3.0/docs/Data-ByteString-Internal.html#g:10
<sapphicfettucine> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/bytestring-0.11.3.0/docs/Data-ByteString-Internal.html#g:10L258[08:08:49] <CompanionCube> used in one
of the built-in libs iirc
L259[08:09:08] <sapphicfettucine> > This
"function" has a superficial similarity to
unsafePerformIO but it is in fact a malevolent agent of chaos. It
unpicks the seams of reality (and the IO monad) so that the normal
rules no longer apply. It lulls you into thinking it is reasonable,
but when you are not looking it stabs you in the back and aliases
all of your mutable buffers. The carcass of many a seasoned Haskell
programmer lie strewn at its feet.
<sapphicfettucine> > This
"function" has a superficial similarity to
unsafePerformIO but it is in fact a malevolent agent of chaos. It
unpicks the seams of reality (and the IO monad) so that the normal
rules no longer apply. It lulls you into thinking it is reasonable,
but when you are not looking it stabs you in the back and aliases
all of your mutable buffers. The carcass of many a seasoned Haskell
programmer lie strewn at its feet.L260[08:09:27] <Bob>
Haskell people played too much DnD
<Bob>
Haskell people played too much DnDL261[08:09:35] <Bob> i
think ill stay with Rust
<Bob> i
think ill stay with RustL262[08:09:39] <ThePiGuy24> lmao
<ThePiGuy24> lmaoL263[08:09:49] <CompanionCube> if i wanted
to destroy the room i would invoke unsafeCoerce.
L264[08:09:51] <sapphicfettucine> my favourite gender is
"threatening descriptions of unsafe functions"
<sapphicfettucine> my favourite gender is
"threatening descriptions of unsafe functions"L266[08:10:33] <ThePiGuy24> i would try haskell but its
syntax scares me
<ThePiGuy24> i would try haskell but its
syntax scares meL267[08:10:57] <sapphicfettucine> have you read the
technical interview series
<sapphicfettucine> have you read the
technical interview seriesL268[08:11:07] <sapphicfettucine> it will make you more
scared of it
<sapphicfettucine> it will make you more
scared of itL270[08:11:25] <ThePiGuy24> i dont think i want to at
this point
<ThePiGuy24> i dont think i want to at
this pointL271[08:11:42] *
CompanionCube knows someone very into type theory
L272[08:11:43] <sapphicfettucine> (it's also just an
extremely fun read and series and i highly recommend it)
<sapphicfettucine> (it's also just an
extremely fun read and series and i highly recommend it)L273[08:12:02] <sapphicfettucine> and also has the wisest
quote to ever be put to paper
<sapphicfettucine> and also has the wisest
quote to ever be put to paperL274[08:12:09] <sapphicfettucine> Message contained 4 or
more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/kiditoteqe
<sapphicfettucine> Message contained 4 or
more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/kiditoteqeL275[08:12:15] <CompanionCube> i would be
a liar if i said it wasn't confusing
L276[08:12:40] <sapphicfettucine> but do you have a
minute to hear about the word of our lord the monad
<sapphicfettucine> but do you have a
minute to hear about the word of our lord the monadL277[08:13:01] <CompanionCube> a monad is
just a monoid in the category of endofunctors
L278[08:13:20] <CompanionCube> those are
Words I know.
L279[08:13:27] <sapphicfettucine> god
<sapphicfettucine> godL280[08:13:28] <sapphicfettucine> yea
<sapphicfettucine> yeaL281[08:13:35] <sapphicfettucine> yea
<sapphicfettucine> yeaL282[08:13:42] <CompanionCube> do not ask
about the divine meaning of these worss
L283[08:13:54] <Bob>
>sapphicfettucine:
<Bob>
>sapphicfettucine:L284[08:13:54] <Bob> why
is it "an `&`" and not "a `&`"
<Bob> why
is it "an `&`" and not "a `&`"L285[08:14:00] <CompanionCube> (did i do
the meme right)
L286[08:14:07] <sapphicfettucine> >Bob: why is it
"an `&`" and not "a `&`"
<sapphicfettucine> >Bob: why is it
"an `&`" and not "a `&`"L287[08:14:07] <sapphicfettucine> great question
<sapphicfettucine> great questionL288[08:14:14] <sapphicfettucine> i'd guess
<sapphicfettucine> i'd guessL289[08:14:19] <sapphicfettucine> "an immutable
reference"
<sapphicfettucine> "an immutable
reference"L290[08:14:33] <Bob> fair,
i call it shared reference
<Bob> fair,
i call it shared referenceL291[08:14:33] <sapphicfettucine> but it does read
weird
<sapphicfettucine> but it does read
weirdL292[08:14:38] <Bob>
yeah
<Bob>
yeahL293[08:14:46] <sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube: (did
i do the meme right)
<sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube: (did
i do the meme right)L294[08:14:46] <sapphicfettucine> i don't remember but
monads are the peak of comedy regardless
<sapphicfettucine> i don't remember but
monads are the peak of comedy regardlessL295[08:14:53] <Bob> wtf
is a monad?
<Bob> wtf
is a monad?L296[08:15:01] <sapphicfettucine> Option<T>
<sapphicfettucine> Option<T>L297[08:15:14] <Bob>
🙃
<Bob>
🙃L298[08:15:24] <CompanionCube> someone
made an entire parody song about that question
L299[08:15:33] <CompanionCube> watch it on
youtube some time
L300[08:15:42] <sapphicfettucine> it's a kind of type
that wraps another type and adds some description to it
<sapphicfettucine> it's a kind of type
that wraps another type and adds some description to itL301[08:16:02] <sapphicfettucine> so with option<T>
it wraps T and adds the description of whether T is null or
not
<sapphicfettucine> so with option<T>
it wraps T and adds the description of whether T is null or
notL302[08:16:13] <sapphicfettucine> and then you can apply
functions to that wrapped type, like map()
<sapphicfettucine> and then you can apply
functions to that wrapped type, like map()L303[08:17:31] <sapphicfettucine> there is
<sapphicfettucine> there isL304[08:17:34] <sapphicfettucine> cursed maths behind
this
<sapphicfettucine> cursed maths behind
thisL305[08:17:50] <sapphicfettucine> but in the end you can
just think of it as like the rust option type
<sapphicfettucine> but in the end you can
just think of it as like the rust option typeL306[08:20:24] <CompanionCube> things can
get spookier like when you do computation in the type
checker.
L307[08:21:16] <CompanionCube>
alternatively
L308[08:21:34] <Bob> i
like math but i have no clue whatever the pretty haskell graphs say
at any time
<Bob> i
like math but i have no clue whatever the pretty haskell graphs say
at any timeL309[08:21:35] *
CompanionCube blesses sapphicfettucine with symbolics genera for
oc2
L310[08:21:53] <sapphicfettucine> BLESSED
<sapphicfettucine> BLESSEDL311[08:21:59] <sapphicfettucine> [rpg item acquiring
sound]
<sapphicfettucine> [rpg item acquiring
sound]L312[08:22:34] <sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube:
things can get spookier like when you do computation in the type
checker.
<sapphicfettucine> >CompanionCube:
things can get spookier like when you do computation in the type
checker.L314[08:25:12] <CompanionCube> the
official x86_64 ported emulator may be unobtanium but the source to
the older bootleg ported emulator is out there to poke at :p
L315[08:25:43] <sapphicfettucine> oooh
<sapphicfettucine> ooohL316[08:25:55] <sapphicfettucine> i might take a look
tomorrow 👁️
<sapphicfettucine> i might take a look
tomorrow 👁️L317[08:26:34] <sapphicfettucine> you just gotta love
lisp machines
<sapphicfettucine> you just gotta love
lisp machinesL318[08:27:06] <CompanionCube> dunno what
the RAM requirements were like but given the era it's probably in
the same ballpark range
L319[08:27:10] <sapphicfettucine> wait lmao
<sapphicfettucine> wait lmaoL320[08:27:30] <sapphicfettucine> the modern genera runs
on Apple M1?
<sapphicfettucine> the modern genera runs
on Apple M1?L321[08:27:45] <sapphicfettucine> wild
<sapphicfettucine> wildL322[08:27:59] <CompanionCube> that's the
unobtanium port isn't it?
L323[08:28:30] <sapphicfettucine> "Portable Genera
2.0"
<sapphicfettucine> "Portable Genera
2.0"L324[08:30:10] <CompanionCube> :)
L325[08:35:27] <CompanionCube> building it
on regular x86_64 linux required a little patching, and iirc it's
CPU specific so RISC-V would involve significant effort(tm)
L326[08:36:32] <sapphicfettucine> architecture
specificity my beloathed
<sapphicfettucine> architecture
specificity my beloathedL327[08:37:06] <sapphicfettucine> the tragic necessity to
understand the sand we cursed into thinking
<sapphicfettucine> the tragic necessity to
understand the sand we cursed into thinkingL328[08:39:36] <CompanionCube> the
'actually legit' stuff would probably also be easier
L329[08:43:38] <CompanionCube> (given
RISC-V, the original alpha/powerpc bits are probably closer
inspiration wise than the later x86_64 hacking.)
L330[10:33:36]
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L331[10:33:36]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L332[12:02:10] <Izaya> %tell Ariri
https://media.gameliberty.club/media/media_attachments/files/107/902/591/829/127/575/original/f8a0a470567170df.mp4
L333[12:02:11] <MichiBot> Izaya: Ariri
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L334[12:11:33] <Bob> gotta
research the linux architecture from 0 with OC2
<Bob> gotta
research the linux architecture from 0 with OC2L335[12:13:35] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL336[12:13:35] <MichiBot> Wild!
Forecaster! You beat DaComputerNerd's previous record of 6 hours,
43 minutes and 54 seconds (By 26 minutes and 46 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L337[12:13:36] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 7 hours, 10 minutes and 40 seconds! Forecaster also
gained 0.00315 (0.00045 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
Position #3. Need 0.06999432 more points to pass Michiyo!
L338[12:26:04] *
Amanda meows and looks around, does a big heccin yawn
L339[12:26:34] <Amanda> 6h of sleep
according to my sleep tracker
L340[12:26:41] <Amanda> Let's goo
L341[12:27:05] <Forecaster> to sleep again
<Forecaster> to sleep againL342[12:30:59] <Amanda> I wish, the birbs
are being loud
L343[12:33:31] <Izaya> need to get a
sound-targeting laser
L344[12:33:57] <Amanda> what we need to do
is seal off th eback porch again so they can't nest
L345[13:09:00] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL346[13:09:00] <MichiBot> You drink a
powdery tiberium potion (New!). Forecaster suddenly craves
pie.
L347[13:09:19] <Forecaster> tiberium pie
<Forecaster> tiberium pieL348[13:15:49] <Forecaster> huh
<Forecaster> huhL349[13:16:05] <Forecaster> I did not know for loops in
Python could have an else caluse
<Forecaster> I did not know for loops in
Python could have an else caluseL350[13:16:09] <Forecaster> I did not know for loops in
Python could have an else clause [Edited]
<Forecaster> I did not know for loops in
Python could have an else clause [Edited]L351[13:17:45] <Forecaster> it's apparently always
executed at the end after the iterator finishes
<Forecaster> it's apparently always
executed at the end after the iterator finishesL352[14:38:02] <Forecaster> why are there no 24V to 8V
power regulator ships >:
<Forecaster> why are there no 24V to 8V
power regulator ships >:L353[14:38:09] <Forecaster> chips not ships
<Forecaster> chips not shipsL354[15:08:33] <Forecaster> ah well, getting a 24 to 12V
converter instead I guess
<Forecaster> ah well, getting a 24 to 12V
converter instead I guessL355[15:08:39] <Forecaster> 12 is roughly 8 anyway
<Forecaster> 12 is roughly 8 anywayL356[15:27:12] <BrisingrAerowing> https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/champagne-recalled-due-to-possible-presence-of-ecstasy.939009
<BrisingrAerowing> https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/champagne-recalled-due-to-possible-presence-of-ecstasy.939009L357[16:29:57] <Forecaster> I wonder how that
happened
<Forecaster> I wonder how that
happenedL358[16:59:26] <Vaur> fuck
python tuples, who even uses that shit
<Vaur> fuck
python tuples, who even uses that shitL359[16:59:44] <Vaur>
never found an use for those
<Vaur>
never found an use for thoseL360[16:59:54] <sapphicfettucine> the tuple defender has
logged on
<sapphicfettucine> the tuple defender has
logged onL361[17:00:10] <Vaur>
please enlighten me
<Vaur>
please enlighten meL362[17:00:53] <sapphicfettucine> syntatically neat and
interoperability with lists makes them not a bother if you don't
want them
<sapphicfettucine> syntatically neat and
interoperability with lists makes them not a bother if you don't
want themL363[17:01:14] <Vaur> no
but
<Vaur> no
butL364[17:01:46] <Vaur> the
reason I upset against them, is because its something that often
come back into coding test
<Vaur> the
reason I upset against them, is because its something that often
come back into coding testL365[17:01:47] <Bob> my
condolences
<Bob> my
condolencesL366[17:02:09] <Vaur> I've
never ever used them
<Vaur> I've
never ever used themL367[17:03:12] <Forecaster> are you kidding me...
<Forecaster> are you kidding me...L368[17:03:24] <Forecaster> remember that php4 thing I
mentioned the other day
<Forecaster> remember that php4 thing I
mentioned the other dayL369[17:03:31] <Forecaster> I'm looking at the database
now
<Forecaster> I'm looking at the database
nowL370[17:03:34] <sapphicfettucine> what php thing
<sapphicfettucine> what php thingL371[17:03:41] <sapphicfettucine> there's so many bad php
things
<sapphicfettucine> there's so many bad php
thingsL372[17:03:42] <Vaur>
from: Forecaster php4
<Vaur>
from: Forecaster php4L373[17:03:55] <Forecaster> it stores the account
passwords unencrypted...
<Forecaster> it stores the account
passwords unencrypted...L374[17:04:09] <sapphicfettucine> >sapphicfettucine:
there's so many bad php things
<sapphicfettucine> >sapphicfettucine:
there's so many bad php thingsL375[17:04:10] <sapphicfettucine> (my favourite being the
gender enum)
<sapphicfettucine> (my favourite being the
gender enum)L376[17:04:20] <Vaur> >
Forecaster — 01/03/2022
<Vaur> >
Forecaster — 01/03/2022L377[17:04:20] <Vaur> >
he has a PHP4 website that wont work in modern PHP servers that he
needs updated
<Vaur> >
he has a PHP4 website that wont work in modern PHP servers that he
needs updatedL378[17:04:31] <Forecaster> this is someones
myfirstwebsite
<Forecaster> this is someones
myfirstwebsiteL379[17:04:31] <sapphicfettucine> oh god
<sapphicfettucine> oh godL380[17:04:35] <sapphicfettucine> i'm so sorry
<sapphicfettucine> i'm so sorryL381[17:05:13] <Vaur>
sounds like someone hired an intern to do a full time employee
job
<Vaur>
sounds like someone hired an intern to do a full time employee
jobL382[17:06:32] <Forecaster> also, one password?
<Forecaster> also, one password?L383[17:06:34] <Forecaster> 3 characters
<Forecaster> 3 charactersL384[17:06:38] <Forecaster> just 3 letters
<Forecaster> just 3 lettersL385[17:06:41] <sapphicfettucine> >Vaur: sounds like
someone hired an intern to do a full time employee job
<sapphicfettucine> >Vaur: sounds like
someone hired an intern to do a full time employee jobL386[17:06:41] <sapphicfettucine> you underestimate how
bad corporate dev is
<sapphicfettucine> you underestimate how
bad corporate dev isL387[17:07:04] <sapphicfettucine> there are government
websites that still use java applets out in the world
<sapphicfettucine> there are government
websites that still use java applets out in the worldL388[17:07:55] <Vaur> I
don't know enough about java programming or website programming to
understand what that means
<Vaur> I
don't know enough about java programming or website programming to
understand what that meansL389[17:08:38] <sapphicfettucine> imagine if flash
<sapphicfettucine> imagine if flashL390[17:08:41] <sapphicfettucine> but in java
<sapphicfettucine> but in javaL391[17:08:49] <Vaur> I
see
<Vaur> I
seeL393[17:11:01] <Vaur> got
screwed on problem solving because ... I didn't know how to do an
average 🤣
<Vaur> got
screwed on problem solving because ... I didn't know how to do an
average 🤣L394[17:11:19] <Forecaster> do you know now?
<Forecaster> do you know now?L395[17:11:40] <Vaur> sum
/ count
<Vaur> sum
/ countL396[17:11:54] <Vaur> I
looked it up, but run out of time
<Vaur> I
looked it up, but run out of timeL397[17:12:38] <Forecaster> I got to a job interview once
where I got a test where you were supposed to write code that did
something with the Fibonacci sequence
<Forecaster> I got to a job interview once
where I got a test where you were supposed to write code that did
something with the Fibonacci sequenceL398[17:12:51] <Forecaster> at that time I had never
heard of the Fibonacci sequence
<Forecaster> at that time I had never
heard of the Fibonacci sequenceL399[17:13:18] <Vaur>
rough
<Vaur>
roughL400[17:13:36] <Vaur> I've
heard of it but no clue what the algo is either
<Vaur> I've
heard of it but no clue what the algo is eitherL401[17:13:37] <Forecaster> now where the heck have they
hidden the db connection details in this garbage
<Forecaster> now where the heck have they
hidden the db connection details in this garbageL402[17:14:12] <Forecaster> the fibonacci sequence is
simply start with either 0, 1 or 1, 1
<Forecaster> the fibonacci sequence is
simply start with either 0, 1 or 1, 1L403[17:14:23] <Forecaster> the next number is the sum of
the last two numbers in the sequence
<Forecaster> the next number is the sum of
the last two numbers in the sequenceL404[17:14:52] <Forecaster> that's it
<Forecaster> that's itL405[17:15:02] <Forecaster> and I wasn't allowed to look
anything up during that test
<Forecaster> and I wasn't allowed to look
anything up during that testL406[17:15:41] <Vaur> yeah
that's the dumbest thing you can ask for an interview
<Vaur> yeah
that's the dumbest thing you can ask for an interviewL407[17:16:13] <Forecaster> the task was something like
"Generate and list the first n numbers in the fibonacci
sequence"
<Forecaster> the task was something like
"Generate and list the first n numbers in the fibonacci
sequence"L408[17:17:09] <Forecaster> ah, found the db
details
<Forecaster> ah, found the db
detailsL409[17:21:29] <Forecaster> `Can not connect: DB Error:
extension not found`
<Forecaster> `Can not connect: DB Error:
extension not found`L410[17:21:31] <Forecaster> great
<Forecaster> greatL411[17:24:58] <Forecaster> it uses PEAR, I guess that
might be what's missing
<Forecaster> it uses PEAR, I guess that
might be what's missingL412[17:29:47] <Forecaster> oh no, it was that the
connection string told it to use "mysql" instead of
"mysqli", since the mysql connection is apparently
completely removed
<Forecaster> oh no, it was that the
connection string told it to use "mysql" instead of
"mysqli", since the mysql connection is apparently
completely removedL413[17:37:46] <Forecaster> oh god
<Forecaster> oh godL414[17:38:02] <Forecaster> of course the site has a
"Forgot password" thing
<Forecaster> of course the site has a
"Forgot password" thingL415[17:38:08] <Forecaster> I'm sure you can guess what
that does
<Forecaster> I'm sure you can guess what
that doesL416[17:39:25] <Vaur> send
the stored password in clear from the db by email to the customer
😄
<Vaur> send
the stored password in clear from the db by email to the customer
😄L417[17:39:33] <Forecaster> yep
<Forecaster> yepL418[17:40:14] <Forecaster> I haven't looked at the code
for it, but the "Forgot password" page says "We'll
send your password to you"
<Forecaster> I haven't looked at the code
for it, but the "Forgot password" page says "We'll
send your password to you"L419[17:49:33] <Forecaster> also it's using non-utf8
encoding, but the pages aren't configured for that, so they're not
displaying correctly
<Forecaster> also it's using non-utf8
encoding, but the pages aren't configured for that, so they're not
displaying correctlyL420[18:27:50] <DaComputerNerd> lol
<DaComputerNerd> lolL421[18:28:44] <Forecaster> doing that didn't help
anyway, because apparently something is overriding it and forcing
utf8
<Forecaster> doing that didn't help
anyway, because apparently something is overriding it and forcing
utf8L422[18:28:55] <Forecaster> so instead I had to convert
each file to utf8
<Forecaster> so instead I had to convert
each file to utf8L423[18:43:02]
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error: Connection reset by peer)
L425[19:12:29] <Forecaster> I just checked how the
registration works out of curiosity
<Forecaster> I just checked how the
registration works out of curiosityL426[19:12:57] <Forecaster> there's no password
validation at all beyond pa1 == pa2
<Forecaster> there's no password
validation at all beyond pa1 == pa2L427[19:14:37] <Forecaster> it says "Min 4
characters" on the registration page, but there is no such
check
<Forecaster> it says "Min 4
characters" on the registration page, but there is no such
checkL428[19:36:25] <DaComputerNerd> ....
<DaComputerNerd> ....L429[19:36:33] <DaComputerNerd> So someone could have a
blank password
<DaComputerNerd> So someone could have a
blank passwordL430[19:36:47] <Forecaster> yep
<Forecaster> yepL431[19:38:35] <Forecaster> oh, there are 10 of
those
<Forecaster> oh, there are 10 of
thoseL432[20:37:47] <Michiyo> %tonkout
L433[20:37:47] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket!
Michiyo! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 7 hours, 10
minutes and 40 seconds (By 1 hour, 13 minutes and 31 seconds)! I
hope you're happy!
L434[20:37:48] <MichiBot> Michiyo has
stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk
points! plus 0.007 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to
50% because stealing) Current score: 0.59449. Position #2 Need
0.14664432 more points to pass Vaur!
L435[20:42:50] <Forecaster> oh wait, I see there's a
check on the frontend if the password field is longer than 3
characters
<Forecaster> oh wait, I see there's a
check on the frontend if the password field is longer than 3
charactersL436[20:42:53] <Forecaster> all is well
<Forecaster> all is wellL437[20:44:04] <Forecaster> Somehow there's still 10 rows
in the database where the password column is empty
<Forecaster> Somehow there's still 10 rows
in the database where the password column is emptyL438[20:58:33] <Amanda> ... No, not all is
well, the backend should also check, never trust the input of a
user, espically client-side validation
L439[20:59:08] <Amanda> %choose rain box
or early noms
L440[20:59:08] <MichiBot> Amanda: Pretty
sure I'd want you to go with "early noms"!
L441[20:59:11] <Forecaster> I know, that was 100%
sarcastic
<Forecaster> I know, that was 100%
sarcasticL442[20:59:21] <Forecaster> I've already implemented a
length check in the backend
<Forecaster> I've already implemented a
length check in the backendL443[20:59:46] <Forecaster> for 8 characters, no 4
<Forecaster> for 8 characters, no 4L444[20:59:50] <Forecaster> for 8 characters, not 4
[Edited]
<Forecaster> for 8 characters, not 4
[Edited]L445[21:04:04] <Forecaster> there's also a max length of
25 characters, which is in the database specification, so I can't
do anything about that right now
<Forecaster> there's also a max length of
25 characters, which is in the database specification, so I can't
do anything about that right nowL446[21:04:28] *
Amanda decides to grace the rain box with her presese and decide on
early noms after
L447[22:06:07] *
Amanda meows at Elfi, offers her some pizza (heating
pending)
L448[22:19:13] ⇦
Quits: ben_mkiv
(~ben_mkiv@200116b81472cd00fe3497fffea975f2.dip.versatel-1u1.de)
(Quit: Leaving)
L449[22:57:57] <DaComputerNerd> %tonk
<DaComputerNerd> %tonkL450[22:57:57] <MichiBot> Potzblitz!
DaComputerNerd! You beat Michiyo's previous record of <0 (By 2
hours, 20 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L451[22:57:58] <MichiBot> DaComputerNerd's
new record is 2 hours, 20 minutes and 10 seconds! DaComputerNerd
also gained 0.00234 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #9
=> #8. (Overtook nil) Need 0.00066 more points to pass
Ocawesome101!
L452[22:58:08] <DaComputerNerd> might as well get that
started
<DaComputerNerd> might as well get that
startedL453[22:59:31] <Forecaster> there's a pretty nice catchup
mechanic as well :>
<Forecaster> there's a pretty nice catchup
mechanic as well :>L454[23:01:32] <Forecaster> there are however no ketchup
mechanics
<Forecaster> there are however no ketchup
mechanicsL455[23:05:39] <DaComputerNerd> dangit i was hoping for
ketchup mechanics
<DaComputerNerd> dangit i was hoping for
ketchup mechanicsL456[23:11:10] <Forecaster> They're DLC I'm afraid
<Forecaster> They're DLC I'm afraidL457[23:14:43] <Amanda> tonk
microtransactions ruined my family
L458[23:16:11] *
Elfi nibbles cold pizza, prefers it this way anyway
L459[23:31:12] <Amanda> Elfi: It's mean
tto be heated, but the toaster oven's acting up
L460[23:31:52] <Elfi> I'm fine with this
nonetheless
L461[23:31:56] <Elfi> A bit too tired to
really fuss
L462[23:32:02] *
Amanda giggles
L463[23:32:04] *
Amanda cuddles
L464[23:32:16] *
Amanda offers some drinks to wash it down
L465[23:55:38] <Amanda> The first time
someone said to me: it's only one human, what difference does it
make' I almost drew my sidearm and shot them."- Former Grand
Most High Sma'akamo o, from I Have Ridden the Hasslehoff
L466[23:57:17] <Michiyo> I've not read
that in ages... waiting for more chapters to pile up before I do so
lol