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<CyborgPotato> %tonk
L7[04:21:50] <MichiBot> Hooray!
CyborgPotato! You beat Vaur's previous record of <0 (By 10
hours, 10 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L8[04:21:51] <MichiBot> CyborgPotato's new
record is 10 hours, 10 minutes and 38 seconds! CyborgPotato also
gained 0.01018 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #8. Need
0.0422728 more points to pass ThePiGuy24!
L9[05:41:03] <Izaya> dequbed: there's like 8
variants of Ethics and Civics now wtf
L10[05:44:14]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> Is there a way to prevent a
drone from turning off when it changes dimensions
L11[05:55:32] <Izaya> it's not a way to
prevent it but you could have a wake-on-LAN beacon on the other
side
L12[05:57:23]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> would it be possible to do
wake-on-LAN over a tunnel card?
L13[05:57:50]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> i mean linked card
L14[05:58:06] <Izaya> never tried
L15[05:58:09] <Izaya> solid maybe
though
L16[06:00:02]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> how would i make the
wake-on-lan
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L18[06:00:52] <Izaya> setWakeMessage is the
call name
L19[06:00:58] <Izaya> then you send that
message
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<MR_SPᐰGETTY> so setWakeMessage in the
bios of the drone and send the message from the computer?
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<Ariri>
> Getting the whole structure up to 20 tesla involves a two-week
process
L26[06:30:22]
<Ariri>
towards the end of that paragraph.... am i totally misparsing that
or is that an absolutely crazy difference
L28[06:34:09]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> that thing looks like a
surface pro
L29[06:40:52] <Izaya> Ariri:
digitiser?
L30[06:41:43]
<Ariri>
Izaya: probably, it's got their new Precision Pen 3 thingo so I'd
assume so
L31[06:41:57]
<Ariri>
%s/assume/assume it has one
L32[06:41:57] <MichiBot> <Ariri>
Izaya: probably, it's got their new Precision Pen 3 thingo so I'd
assume it has one so
L33[06:42:28]
<Ariri> and
Wacom at that, given what my current (recent-gen) is equipped
with
L34[06:42:49]
<Ariri>
current ultrabook*
L35[06:42:54]
<Ariri>
can't type
L36[06:46:35]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> Izaya: so setWakeMessage in
the bios of the drone and send the message from the computer?
L37[06:47:16] <Izaya> yup
L38[06:47:21]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> ok
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L41[06:56:04] <Izaya> Ariri: looks neat,
guess it'll depend if it gets pmOS support
L42[06:56:08] <Izaya> I have no patience
for Android
L43[06:56:45]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> Izaya: how do i use
setWakeMessage?
L44[06:57:01] <Izaya> ~w modem
L46[06:57:27]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> oh i set it for teh modem
component i thought i needed to set it for the drone
L47[06:57:36] <Izaya> yeah it's
per-component
L48[07:00:30]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> i was tring to set teh wake
message for the drone component not the whole drone
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L50[07:02:55]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> i set the message to be sent
to be the same as the wake message but when i run teh function teh
drone does not get turned on
https://tinyurl.com/ygo64dor
L51[07:07:18] <Izaya> try
setWakeMessage(message,true)
L52[07:09:59]
<Kodos>
Wake on LAN beacons can just be microcontrollers, can't they?
L53[07:10:08]
<Kodos>
Slap a solar panel on top of that baby and voila
L54[07:10:26]
<Kodos>
Well, maybe a solar panel and a capacitor
L55[07:12:15] <Izaya> been doing some
Thinking about wireless networking at my base
L56[07:12:28] <Izaya> might end up with a
router on each corner
L57[07:12:36] <Izaya> also doing GPS
duty
L58[07:13:43] <Izaya> also I'm going to be
putting small bee facilities around the world in different biomes -
including the end - so I'm thinking what I'll end up doing is also
having a computer there to act as a wireless router
L59[07:13:52]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> adding teh true in teh drone
worked
L60[07:14:00] <Izaya> neat!
L61[07:14:18] <Izaya> good to know it works
with linked cards
L62[07:14:31] <Izaya> if you want a cursed
suggestion
L63[07:15:03] <Izaya> you can have a wake
message followed by actual commands when you have the fuzzy param
for setWakeMessage
L64[07:15:18] <Izaya> so you could just
re-send the same message repeatedly until you get an
acknowledgement
L65[07:24:53]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> whats the entity id for
drones?
L66[07:27:44]
<MR_SPᐰGETTY> nvm i had the mod id as
open_computers instead of opencomputers
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L70[07:48:23] <dequbed> Izaya: Only two
good ones though. Revolutions and one of the many -expanded -redux
-redesign and I just stopped trying to find it and use
Revolutions
L71[08:03:59] <dequbed> Ariri: If you're
talking about the 20 tesla number, yes that is a very big
number.
L72[08:06:11] <dequbed> It's sensationally
big too that is, if that number is really true, it sets new records
in its own right. ITER is working with something about 13T and has
problems keeping their magnet from tearing itself apart. The LHC
uses 8T magnets and those were top of the line back when they were
made.
L73[08:10:30] <dequbed> To give you a
perspective: The forces the TF coil of ITER has to work with are on
the same ballpark as lifting the french aircraft carrier
"Charles de Gaulle" with it's 42.500t displament right
out of the water
L74[08:17:57] <dequbed> But regardless, I
am wary about any news on the fusion front. Fusion has since the
1950's been a technology that has always been merely ten years
away, and this sounds to me like another instance of that.
L75[08:19:56] <dequbed> Not that I'm trying
to knock their achievement here. Building large high-temperature
superconducting magnets is hard and this is an important step in
the right direction.
L76[08:21:28] <dequbed> But ITER has had
several years more time spend researching, several billion euros
more funding, and many more people, and yet their very wary to give
out any hard time scales. People giving out hard timeframes are
often trying to sell you something in this field.
L77[08:22:54] <dequbed> In short, sometimes
new that are too good to be true are in fact simply not true.
L78[08:23:00] <dequbed> news*
L79[08:25:55] <dequbed> Also, their much
less realistic number isn't even the self-sufficient reactor by
2025. It's their viable commercial reactor in the 2030s. Fusion
engineering is hard and there are many problems to be solved first.
Like for example what, to us as a society, are the acceptable
safety levels of a reactor that has even fewer safety switches than
a fission reactor?
L80[08:27:22]
<Vaur>
lol
L82[08:27:22] <MichiBot> Wed Sep 08
20:59:19 UTC 2021 @pcgamer: Earlier this week, multiple news
outlets in India claimed that Pakistan's airforce bombed
Afghanistan's Panjshir re… <
https://t.co/CSmrLeGuKG>
L83[08:30:09] <dequbed> Especially given
that all current fusion designs are reliant on cryogenic
superconducting magnets, magnets that have this nasty habit of
being able to spontanously "quench", that is lose their
superconductivity and instantly destroy their magnetic field*. And
when you need that magnetic field to store as much plasma as
possible in an as small area as possible you can start to see the
problem.
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L85[08:32:22] <dequbed> Fusion reactors
tend to not have a scram. Not that they need one like fission
reactors do, but "how do you get this reactor in a safe state
before the magnetic field breaks down and the very hot plasma
inside it blows it up" is still a problem being solved.
L86[08:34:59] <dequbed> And if you think
cooling a fission reactor is hard, fusion reactors are a whole
different problem. "High temperature" superconductor
doesn't mean warm. It means "we can get there with liquid
nitrogen instead of liquid helium, SCORE!".
L87[08:38:50] <dequbed> There's a lot of
research on that front though and there have been recorded
superconductors at room temperature. But all of the ones I am aware
of are only superconductors under pressures comparable to the
centre of the earth.
L88[08:40:46]
<Forecaster> huh, this robot uses Lua as
the scripting language
L89[08:40:47]
<Forecaster> interesting
L90[08:43:10] <dequbed> Lastly; about that
asterisk at quenching: *Quenching doesn't happen really
instantanously but it's a positive feedback loop inside
supercondutors that where local areas stop being superconductive,
heat up a lot and thus expand the zone of non-superconductivity and
increading the problem. And they can start with something as
innocent as a crystal fault line due to manufacturing tolerances
that will always happen.
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L93[08:49:29] <Izaya> these are
cursed
L94[09:04:03] <dequbed> @Ariri It's not all
doom and gloom mind you. France has an incredible engineering
culture and some of the best engineers in the world and so far
every single problem ITER forsaw or found have been solved or have
some very promising approaches being developed. It's also one of
the best countries for this kind of sensitive engineering given the
countries incredible good track record of nuclear safety and
general acceptance in the populance.
L95[09:06:21] <dequbed> And unless some
fundamental changes happen in how we as humanity consume power the
need for the kind of giant scale energy generation fusion is posed
to become will only increase, so I for one am positive that fusion
will happen and that it will happen in my lifetime.
L96[09:10:07] <ben_mkiv> wasn't there
already a setup which worked?
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L98[09:10:33] <dequbed> ben_mkiv: Define
"worked"
L99[09:11:13] <ben_mkiv> or wait, i
probably meant the ITER project
L100[09:11:57] <ben_mkiv> i thought that
thing already did test runs
L101[09:13:00] <ben_mkiv> personally i
pretty much like the approaches of fission reactors that can
further process all the nuclear waste
L102[09:13:44] <ben_mkiv> but then, it's
probably not so easy to get all the stuff back from where it's
now
L103[09:14:03] <dequbed> We have managed
the fusion of several nuclei into heavier isotopes already. ITER
itself has not because that's not the point of ITER.
L104[09:14:50] <dequbed> There are a bunch
of experimental fusion reactors spread around the world, many of
which can do fusion already. But none of those can do fusion that
produces more energy than it consumes.
L105[09:15:31] <ben_mkiv> ok, and ITAR is
a promising approach to get more out than putting in?
L106[09:17:12] <dequbed> No, ITER is a
project to build the largest Tokamak reactor yet.
L107[09:17:36] <dequbed> Ah sorry, I
misread
L108[09:18:13] <dequbed> Yes, ITER is
trying to become energy net positive and it's been so far very
promising.
L109[09:18:47] <ben_mkiv> neat
L110[09:19:51] <ben_mkiv> i'm just reading
an article about it, and i like how most of it sounds familiar
thanks to mekanism :D
L111[09:20:07] <dequbed> It's still a
research reactor though, so their currently only trying to beat the
current record of getting 2/3 of the energy back that was set by
the *previous* european reactor.
L112[09:20:48] <dequbed> Beating by over
an order of magnitude though, hoping to get some tenfold return.
But not on a continoous basis, only in bursts.
L113[09:22:00] <dequbed> But managing that
will allow us to do most of the fundamental research and get the
experience required to figure out what it would take to build an
actual fusion power plant.
L114[09:22:32] <ben_mkiv> yea
L115[09:23:39] <dequbed> How that will
look is impossible to say right now, there are simply too many
unknown-unknown, which is why I'm hesitant about anybody giving
hard timelines for fusion power.
L116[09:24:31] <ben_mkiv> i'm pretty sure
the final reactor will have spinning cubes inside
L117[09:25:23] <ben_mkiv> i'll just send
them my minecraft save as reference
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L120[10:08:04]
<MGR>
Dequbed, are you saying that it's not an easy to task to build a
giant diamond anvil and use metallic hydrogen for the
superconducting magnets? Impossible
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<CyborgPotato> %tonkout
L123[10:32:36] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
CyborgPotato, you were not able to beat CyborgPotato's record of
10 hours, 10 minutes and 38 seconds this time. 6 hours, 10 minutes
and 46 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours, 59 minutes and 51
seconds!
L124[10:51:03] <dequbed> @MGR well getting
metallic hydrogen sulfide / hydrogen phosphorate — which *is* a
superconductor — isn't the hard part. *Keeping* it metallic and not
actively killing your personell is the problem :P
L125[10:52:42] <dequbed> Pure metallic
hydrogen would be significantly less toxic but we don't really know
if that is a superconductor yet last I checked
L126[10:58:53]
<MGR> Yes,
and that was all part of the joke
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<Forecaster> seems plausible
L130[11:43:16]
<CyborgPotato> see no reason not to be the
case
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<SparkyFox>
>Corded: reborn has joined #oc on IRC
L134[12:04:08]
<SparkyFox>
hexagons are naturus...shape
L135[12:04:13]
<SparkyFox>
natures
L136[12:11:22]
<SparkyFox>
especially in structure, take bee hives and Giant's
Causeway(ireland) though for saturn, i dont have an explanation
other than a massive football
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L140[12:39:29]
<ThePiGuy24> nice
L141[12:39:44]
<ThePiGuy24> the elbrus
L142[12:39:50]
<ThePiGuy24> "russian
microprocessor"
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<Z0idberg>
I find UUIDv1 to be a lot more valuable
L145[13:06:17]
<Z0idberg>
Most of the time when I want a UUID, I find that I actually want
UUIDv1 instead of 4
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<Z0idberg>
the chances of UUID 4 colliding are practically zilch, but you
still should check for that. With uuid 1 it wraps around at 3603
AD
L150[13:09:32]
<Z0idberg>
and you don't need to waste processing time checking for a
collision chance
L151[13:10:46]
<Z0idberg>
With one of my projects I am using a ULID instead because it is
sortable.
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L153[14:23:24] <Izaya> you guys wanna see
something odd
L155[14:30:10]
<Z0idberg>
I can't read it
L156[14:30:36]
<Z0idberg>
looks foreign to me
L157[14:31:27]
<Ariri> wat
count
L158[14:32:59]
<Ariri>
dequbed: I wrote a short article on tokamak fusion and the history
of fusion in general, but you still taught me a number of things
:D
L159[14:33:06] <Izaya> I think there's
font rendering bugs
L160[14:33:12] <Izaya> but the fun part is
that I'm p sure that's xaw
L161[14:38:42]
<Zekromaster
(he/she/they)> >Ariri: dequbed: I wrote a short article on
tokamak fusion and the…
L162[14:38:42]
<Zekromaster
(he/she/they)> I guest read about ITER and holy shit 1.5 Km2 of
FUSION CHAMBER ALONE?
L163[14:38:58]
<Zekromaster
(he/she/they)> *Km3
L164[14:39:23]
<Z0idberg>
uh yeah
L165[14:39:33]
<Z0idberg>
iter has been a project for a couple decades or so
L166[14:39:46]
<Ariri> The
primary thing that got me there was 20T for 30W, but I also didn't
have a good scale for how much a T was other than in like planetary
magnetic fields, so thanks
L167[14:39:47]
<Ariri> As
far as reaching breakeven, I think a few reactors have; but, as you
say, the need for a SCRAM and this "quenching" problem
which I didn't know the proper term for still makes it far from
commercially viable
L168[14:39:47]
<Ariri>
Soon though, ™️, I have hope
L169[14:39:50]
<Z0idberg>
it's our largest fusion reactor, and I think it is supposed to be
finishing construction sometime soon
L170[14:40:03]
<Ariri>
^
L171[14:40:16]
<Zekromaster
(he/she/they)> Yeah, never really dug in depth into fusion.
Knew there was something going on to get a net positive one, but
didn't really read much about it
L172[14:40:27]
<Z0idberg>
I remember reading about the iter project well before it began
construction from a popular mechanics magazine of the 90s
L173[14:40:37]
<Z0idberg>
maybe early 00s
L174[14:41:01]
<Z0idberg>
I don't think it was called iter yet
L175[14:41:27]
<Zekromaster
(he/she/they)> >Ariri: The primary thing that got me there
was 20T for 30W, but I…
L176[14:41:28]
<Zekromaster
(he/she/they)> How did the saying go? "Fusion is alway 30
years away"?
L177[14:41:58]
<Z0idberg>
something like that yeah
L178[14:42:05]
<Z0idberg>
I think it was like 20 - 50 years
L179[14:42:19]
<Z0idberg>
According to google:
L180[14:42:22]
<Z0idberg>
"As of May 2021 ITER is over 78% complete toward first plasma.
Start is scheduled for late 2025. The start of the project can be
traced back to 1978 when the European Commission, Japan, United
States, and USSR joined together for the International Tokamak
Reactor (INTOR) Workshop."As of May 2021 ITER is over 78%
complete toward first plasma. Start is scheduled for late 2025. The
start of the project can be traced back to 1978 when the Eu
L181[14:42:22]
<Z0idberg>
Commission, Japan, United States, and USSR joined together for the
International Tokamak Reactor (INTOR) Workshop.
L182[14:42:22]
<Ariri> 20
years iirc
L183[14:42:43]
<Z0idberg>
1978
L184[14:43:13]
<Z0idberg>
I was almost born lol
L185[14:43:19]
<Z0idberg>
but not quite yet
L186[14:44:07]
<Ariri> and
yeah, ITERs vacumn vessel is something like 20m by 11m
L187[14:44:42]
<Ariri>
well over 8000 tonnes when done
L188[14:45:41]
<Ariri> i
like how JET uses microphones to hear the reactor in
operation
L189[14:45:41]
<Ariri> i
thought that was pretty neat and potentially useful
L190[14:50:53]
<Z0idberg>
y u no JFET
L191[14:50:55]
<Z0idberg>
😛
L192[14:51:19]
<Z0idberg>
JFETs are cool
L194[14:58:13] <Izaya> Saphire: there's no
elaboration included but I just came across the following line on
tvtropes and thought it might be relevant to your interests: Wings
of Renewal, an anthology of dragon-themed Solarpunk short
stories.
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<Z0idberg>
I has a kitty in my lap
L197[15:08:35]
<Z0idberg>
He's a little over a year now'
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<s_a_m>
send pictures of cat
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<Z0idberg>
One 3 legged cat
L202[15:20:15]
<Forecaster> for a brief moment I thought
there was a giant bat hanging in the window
L203[15:20:20]
<Z0idberg>
Being short haired doesn't prevent him from doing whateverr he
wants
L204[15:20:21]
<Z0idberg>
LOL
L205[15:20:36]
<Z0idberg>
not shored haired, being 3-legged I meant
L206[15:20:49]
<Forecaster> I was about to ask
L207[15:24:32]
<s_a_m> i
love him
L208[15:31:57] <Amanda> tripod!
L209[15:35:07] <Amanda> aww. lame
L210[15:35:29] <Amanda> shooting a
delivery canister full of explosives doesn't do more much more
damage than one full of steel
L211[15:52:44] <Amanda> hrm.
L212[15:53:11] <Amanda> %choose stone
deposit 1 -> Core mining factory or build it somewhere
else
L213[15:53:12] <MichiBot> Amanda:
Somebody once told me to roll with "build it somewhere
else"
L214[15:53:59] <Amanda> hrm, yeah, I'll
turn that into a coal outpost, not ftoo far from the stone
deposit
L215[16:16:06]
<Ocawesome101> Izaya: is that using x11's
drawing apis from like 30 years ago (re font rendering bug)
L216[16:16:31] <Izaya> it looks like
xaw
L217[16:16:37] <Izaya> which is to
say
L218[16:16:38] <Izaya> yes
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L221[16:25:35]
<Michiyo>
Damn it... I've been trying not to get excited for the new Matrix
movie...
L223[16:26:26] <MichiBot>
The Matrix
Resurrections – Official Trailer 1 | length:
2m 53s |
Likes:
284,594 Dislikes:
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Warner Bros. Pictures | Published On 9/9/2021
L224[16:27:07]
<Michiyo>
Also the original GiTS is getting a 4k IMAX remaster this month. so
neat!
L225[16:27:09]
<Ocawesome101> i've heard that the martix
2 and 3 were not as good as the og
L226[16:27:39] <Corded> * <Michiyo>
shrugs
L227[16:27:42]
<Michiyo> I
liked all 3...
L228[16:27:46]
<Forecaster> that's true most of the time
though
L229[16:27:49]
<Michiyo>
Of course... I like all of the Star Wars movies...
L230[16:27:52]
<Michiyo>
soooooo
L231[16:29:01]
<Forecaster> probably because any first
movie is going to evoke feelings of discovering new things, which a
sequel simply can't, because you already know it
L232[16:31:56]
<Ocawesome101> true
L233[16:32:11]
<Ocawesome101> i prefer the star wars
original trilogy over all the others tbh
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L236[16:53:14]
<Forecaster> neat, a huge Shipbreaker
update
L237[17:08:16]
<Kodos>
Oooh what did they add? I've been semi keeping track of that
game
L238[17:08:34]
<Kodos>
Michiyo, yeah I'm hyped for M4 as well
L239[17:10:40]
<Forecaster> more campaign, a new ship, 3D
hab
L240[17:13:17]
<Kodos> Oh
cool
L242[17:15:33] <MichiBot>
World's
Tallest Elephant Toothpaste Volcano (I FINALLY DID IT!!) |
length:
17m 9s | Likes:
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Rober | Published On 4/9/2021
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L245[18:42:11] <Amanda> %choose just do
it?
L246[18:42:11] <MichiBot> Amanda: Boo!
No!
L247[18:42:55] <Amanda> hrm. fuck it,
let's give it a try
L248[18:43:09] <Amanda> see how much my
ADHD bitches
L249[19:08:13]
<Forecaster> %sip
L250[19:08:13] <MichiBot> You drink a
slimy bombastium potion (New!). Forecaster has no memory of
drinking a potion.
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L252[21:02:52]
<Vaur>
%tonk
L253[21:02:52] <MichiBot> Yikes! Vaur!
You beat CyborgPotato's previous record of 10 hours, 10 minutes
and 38 seconds (By 19 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L254[21:02:53] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 10 hours, 30 minutes and 16 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00363 (0.00033 x 11) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position
#2. Need 0.16155866 more points to pass Forecaster!
L255[23:43:15] <Amanda> %choose laptop nap
time?
L256[23:43:15] <MichiBot> Amanda: Boo!
No!