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L1[00:40:33] <Amanda> %choose very early sleeps or irradiate
L2[00:40:34] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: You'll want to go with "very early sleeps".
L3[00:40:42] <Amanda> Sounds good
L4[00:40:57] * Amanda collapses into a pile of floof around elfi, passes out
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L8[01:17:37] <prisma> man, I really want to build an internet in OC
L9[01:17:39] <prisma> on the server I play on
L10[01:18:47] <prisma> we have zetta industries, so I could also implement some form of banking system using nfc cards
L11[01:20:35] <Izaya> you can also charge people for power with the power meter
L12[01:30:40] <prisma> oh yeah
L13[01:30:57] <prisma> could have them set up a quantum entangloporter channel
L14[01:31:28] <Ariri> mmmekanism
L15[01:31:42] <prisma> and then use the rf meter to disable/enable flow to that entangloporter
L16[01:31:51] <prisma> entangloporters could also be used for item purchases
L17[01:33:26] <prisma> there's forestry trading
L18[01:33:27] <prisma> but
L19[01:33:30] <prisma> that's item-for-item
L20[01:34:42] <Izaya> consider
L21[01:34:49] <Izaya> mail-order stuff
L22[01:35:10] <prisma> oh?
L23[01:35:12] <Izaya> ZI mail upgrade for a robot
L24[01:35:35] <prisma> i can't find anything about that on the wiki
L25[01:35:46] <prisma> how it work?
L26[01:36:05] <Izaya> No idea tbh
L27[01:36:14] <Izaya> I just remember wanting to try it
L28[01:37:12] <Izaya> Skye: Does AFH have Forestry?
L29[01:37:19] <prisma> AFH?
L30[01:37:28] <prisma> also I wonder
L31[01:37:32] <prisma> could you automate bees with OC
L32[01:37:36] <Skye> Izaya: no.
L33[01:37:38] <prisma> I guess you can
L34[01:37:48] <prisma> As long as it has item slots, robots can take from it right?
L35[01:37:49] <prisma> and insert
L36[01:38:07] <prisma> imagine an OC version of an ae2 me syste,
L37[01:38:10] <prisma> system*
L38[01:39:03] <Izaya> damn.
L39[01:39:30] <Izaya> prisma: I have a bigge networked storage system with storage drawers
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L42[01:40:21] <coderunner16> ok
L43[01:40:27] <coderunner16> uhh
L44[01:40:33] <coderunner16> does this work ingame
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L46[01:41:26] <Izaya> search is a little slow but could be optimised
L47[01:42:50] <Skye> Izaya, want to add it
L48[01:43:54] <prisma> i dont think there is storage drawers in this pack :(
L49[01:43:56] <Izaya> forestry does a lot of things and the pack isn't balanced for them
L50[01:44:18] <Izaya> and I just want it for the mailbox
L51[01:44:48] <Izaya> but that would make your cargo trains mildly redundant
L52[01:44:57] <prisma> what exactly is AFH
L53[01:47:57] <Ocawes​ome101> izaya: two questions
L54[01:48:07] <Ocawes​ome101> 1) does your pack have a build of OC with gpu buffers in it
L55[01:48:16] <Ocawes​ome101> 2) where can i find a link to this pack
L56[01:49:33] <prisma> and if I may add a third: is there a server? havent played on a server where people actually understand OC in aaaaages
L57[01:49:46] <Ocawes​ome101> i think izaya runs a server
L58[01:50:07] <prisma> i haven't played with people who understand OC in forever
L59[01:50:15] <Izaya> 1) perhaps, but I'm not on my computer
L60[01:50:30] <Izaya> 2) https://games.shadowkat.net
L61[01:51:26] <Izaya> 3) see 2
L62[01:53:31] <prisma> "OpenComputers v1.7.5+468053600"
L63[01:53:44] <prisma> Ocawesome: is this a build with buffers?
L64[01:54:21] <Ocawes​ome101> idk, but it's definitely a git build
L65[01:54:37] <Ocawes​ome101> that looks like the beginning of a commit hash
L66[01:55:42] <prisma> aw, no stargates in pack :(
L67[01:55:50] <prisma> guess I'll have to get creative
L68[01:56:10] <prisma> oh? there's a coin mod
L69[01:56:15] <Izaya> EIO teleporters tho
L70[01:56:16] <prisma> time to implement internet banking
L71[01:56:26] <prisma> the telepads?
L72[01:56:37] <Izaya> yee
L73[01:56:45] <prisma> you have to set a config option to allow x/y/z changing via computers
L74[01:56:59] <Izaya> also we have a minitel network up and running
L75[01:57:03] <prisma> oh?
L76[01:57:07] <prisma> how does minitel work again?
L77[01:58:09] <Izaya> but we are currently operating under communism
L78[01:58:14] <Ocawes​ome101> that reminds me, i need to add minitel support to cynosure
L79[01:58:16] <prisma> a shared economy eh?
L80[01:58:20] <prisma> communism good and best
L81[01:58:24] <Ocawes​ome101> transparently, via the networking api :^)
L82[01:58:52] <Izaya> in that all the regulars live in one big house with a shared storage system
L83[01:59:08] <prisma> and what about the non-regulars
L84[01:59:20] <prisma> which would be... me, probably
L85[01:59:23] <Izaya> Ocawesome: brb implementing the minitel API on top of your API
L86[01:59:27] <Izaya> iunno
L87[01:59:30] <Izaya> 😀
L88[02:00:07] <prisma> does the fact that I plan to regularly play make me a regular? ;P
L89[02:00:26] <Izaya> perhaps
L90[02:01:00] <prisma> smh, no matrix server
L91[02:01:02] <Izaya> it was a statement about the current regulars though
L92[02:01:05] <prisma> oh
L93[02:01:11] <Izaya> XMPP or bust
L94[02:01:24] <prisma> >based on xml
L95[02:01:46] <Ocawes​ome101> Izaya: see https://github.com/ocawesome101/oc-cynosure under `docs/netapi.txt`
L96[02:01:55] <Ocawes​ome101> if you want to implement minitel support go right ahead
L97[02:01:56] <Izaya> > using a document retrieval protocol for instant messaging
L98[02:02:18] <prisma> doesn't matrix have it's own protocol?
L99[02:02:31] <Izaya> it's all over HTTP
L100[02:02:35] <prisma> oh
L101[02:02:41] <Izaya> JSON over HTTP
L102[02:02:41] <Izaya> icky
L103[02:03:00] <prisma> when are we getting something like matrix or signal over tcp
L104[02:03:13] <Izaya> that's called XMPP
L105[02:03:22] <prisma> is it securely e2ee?
L106[02:03:41] * Izaya gives prisma OMEMO
L107[02:03:54] <prisma> Huh.
L108[02:04:33] <Izaya> summarily, all the problems matrix solves, XMPP solved 15 years ago, better
L109[02:04:59] <Te​ris> And Discord solves them even better 🙂
L110[02:05:09] <prisma> but discord isn't e2ee
L111[02:05:11] <prisma> by any meaning
L112[02:05:17] <Ariri> that would be Izaya's college thesis or somethin
L113[02:05:26] <Izaya> Teris: > can't host your own
L114[02:05:32] <Izaya> [x] doubt
L115[02:05:32] <Te​ris> I stand by my statement
L116[02:05:51] <Ocawes​ome101> what does discord do that xmpp doesn't?
L117[02:05:53] <prisma> discord is alright for simple communication in very large groups
L118[02:06:19] <prisma> Izaya: xmpp clients for android?
L119[02:06:27] <Izaya> conversations
L120[02:06:55] <prisma> "buy now"
L121[02:06:57] <prisma> anything.. free?
L122[02:07:00] <Izaya> ???
L123[02:07:05] <Izaya> f-droid my dude
L124[02:07:09] <prisma> it's $6
L125[02:07:11] <prisma> on play
L126[02:07:24] <Izaya> why do you have google malware on your phone
L127[02:07:35] <prisma> i have the play store and thats it
L128[02:07:51] <prisma> i do also have f-droid though
L129[02:07:56] <Izaya> that implies google play services also
L130[02:08:06] <prisma> i like my games okay
L131[02:08:15] <Izaya> anyway, yeah, f-droid
L132[02:08:44] <prisma> i have as little google apps as possible
L133[02:09:15] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/x2SlpfbAIcvX-JpY/20210821_11h08m54s_grim.png
L134[02:09:27] <prisma> at some point I should install some version of youtube
L135[02:09:39] <prisma> that's not google youtube
L136[02:10:06] <prisma> also izaya, i need the play store to download the apps for my network
L137[02:10:20] <prisma> specifically 2degrees data clock so I can buy data by time
L138[02:10:30] <Izaya> hi from dino on linux 5.12.12-postmarketos-allwinner by the way
L139[02:10:39] <prisma> does postmarketos work on a nexus 5
L140[02:10:49] <prisma> last I checked it wasn't in the list
L141[02:10:53] <prisma> of supported devices
L142[02:10:54] <Izaya> probably somewhat
L143[02:10:58] <Izaya> but probably not well
L144[02:11:06] <prisma> yeah I just put lineage 18.1 on my phone
L145[02:12:42] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/ddosvtMnxkYwk1Hd/20210821_11h12m21s_grim.png
L146[02:12:56] <prisma> nice
L147[02:13:01] <prisma> i wish i could afford a pinephone
L148[02:13:30] <Izaya> 300 AUD was rather steep
L149[02:13:45] <prisma> oh I forgot you lived in au
L150[02:13:50] <prisma> thatd be even pricier for me then
L151[02:13:53] <prisma> whats the rate from aud to nzd
L152[02:14:01] <Izaya> but the same price as my last phone for almost the same specs? sure why not >.>
L153[02:14:10] <Izaya> anything to escape android
L154[02:14:22] <prisma> what is wrong with android?
L155[02:14:27] <prisma> im curious
L156[02:14:39] <Izaya> everything on top of the kernel
L157[02:14:59] <prisma> oh
L158[02:15:01] <prisma> oh yeah
L159[02:15:05] <prisma> got a ps2
L160[02:15:07] <prisma> a few days ago
L161[02:15:13] <prisma> its pretty nice, ngl
L162[02:15:13] <Izaya> it's not designed to be used for general purpose computing and phones are general purpose computers in tiny cases
L163[02:15:26] <prisma> i see
L164[02:16:11] <Izaya> there's also the part where google is sabotaging AOSP
L165[02:16:16] <prisma> what?
L166[02:16:53] <Izaya> (see the ars technica article, title's along the lines of controlling open-source by any means necessary)
L167[02:17:34] <prisma> tfw
L168[02:17:37] <prisma> >left other minecraft open
L169[02:17:41] <prisma> >wondering why system is slow
L170[02:20:07] <Ariri> oh yeah
L171[02:20:16] <Ariri> "android is open-source"
L172[02:20:21] <Ariri> >.>
L173[02:22:36] <Izaya> Technically correct
L174[02:22:41] <Izaya> the best kind of correct
L175[02:25:58] <prisma> Izaya: is server down?
L176[02:26:15] <prisma> i can't ping the server or connect
L177[02:26:59] <prisma> and 'tuwr.at' redirects to some racing site
L178[02:27:06] <prisma> got a feeling the domain name changed
L179[02:33:40] <Izaya> test server
L180[02:33:44] <Izaya> shadowkat.net
L181[02:33:47] <prisma> is that the main server?
L182[02:35:48] <Izaya> shadowkat.net is the one I run
L183[02:36:09] <Izaya> main is a matter of perspective
L184[02:40:32] <prisma> fair
L185[02:41:46] <prisma> oh? i notice there's no journeymap
L186[02:42:02] <Izaya> Antique Atlas
L187[02:42:07] <prisma> i see
L188[02:42:18] <Izaya> heads up the pack is exceedingly opinionated
L189[02:42:24] <prisma> explain
L190[02:42:25] <Izaya> specifically mostly my opinions
L191[02:42:55] <prisma> who's house is the immeng house
L192[02:43:16] <Izaya> it's balanced around IE and the bigge multiblock machines
L193[02:43:35] <Izaya> also we have geolosys so don't bother with spelunking
L194[02:43:40] <prisma> wdym
L195[02:44:23] <prisma> wait, antique atlas markers are shared?
L196[02:44:31] <Izaya> yup
L197[02:44:35] <prisma> nice
L198[02:44:43] <Izaya> hence a significant part of the appeal
L199[02:45:38] <prisma> is the immeng house owned by anyone?
L200[02:46:09] <Izaya> most villages will have a house that one of the regulars has set up an outpost in
L201[02:46:24] <Izaya> feel free to use it within reason
L202[02:46:28] <prisma> there's nothing in the immeng house
L203[02:46:32] <prisma> so I guess it's mine now ;D
L204[02:47:56] <Izaya> if you want to see The Base, make a boat, go to the ocean to the east, follow the coast north to the mouth off a river, follow it upstream, take the first right, then follow it until you see the base
L205[02:48:03] <prisma> what is "The Base"?
L206[02:48:14] <Izaya> muh house
L207[02:48:30] <prisma> ah
L208[02:49:11] <Izaya> also we have #SKSDev as the official unofficial server channel
L209[02:49:20] <prisma> i see
L210[02:49:37] <Izaya> helps keep #oc mildly more on topic
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L214[03:26:31] <Ar​iri> more on topic than tonks and potions
L215[03:43:40] <Ocawes​ome101> izaya: what's geolosys?
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L217[03:57:19] <Vlad> #MineOs
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L225[04:29:37] <prisma> dang, 1hr download
L226[04:30:00] <prisma> i guess it *is* nearly 2.8GiB
L227[04:30:57] <prisma> and I'm on a cellular network
L228[04:32:50] <prisma> will adding more downloads decrease the overall speed?
L229[04:32:54] <prisma> i.e. should I do them all at once
L230[04:32:59] <prisma> or one-at-a-time
L231[04:59:59] <ThePi​Guy24> unless the download rate is limited by the server, no
L232[05:00:31] <ThePi​Guy24> my guess is it is your cellular connection that is the bottleneck
L233[05:08:26] <CompanionCube> prisma: iirc there are ways to access the play apps without playstore
L234[05:08:57] <prisma> CompanionCube: oh?
L235[05:08:57] <CompanionCube> but i wouldn't know much i don't bother much with that type of thing despite being an android user
L236[05:09:28] <prisma> my internet banking app would probably throw up if it thought I had a rooted phone though.
L237[05:11:13] <CompanionCube> there's two relevant apps on f-droid, so...
L238[06:18:27] <s_​a_m> Izaya: https://tinyurl.com/yjxp4zlb
L239[06:35:10] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L240[06:35:10] <MichiBot> Heckgosh! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 8 hours, 24 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L241[06:35:11] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 8 hours, 24 minutes and 2 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.0084)
L242[08:04:54] <Ar​iri> sam: get the widowmaker minigun lol
L243[08:04:58] <Ar​iri> laser go brrrr
L244[08:15:03] <Izaya> Ocawesome: makes ores spawn in really big deposits
L245[08:15:08] <dequbed> prisma: microg lineage build. Microg implements enough of the Google App API to make most apps just work out of the box while not implementing any of the data collection by google. You can even install a play store that works.
L246[08:15:48] <dequbed> @Ocawesome101 it's a bad choice of mod given how misconfigured it is in the pack :P
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L249[08:23:04] <Izaya> s_a_m: seconds from disaster?
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L251[08:38:25] <Izaya> ohey scp supports using sftp as the backend as of 8.7
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L253[09:02:21] <s_​a_m> Izaya: yes
L254[09:02:42] <s_​a_m> god
L255[09:02:53] <s_​a_m> my stomach fucking hurts
L256[09:03:07] <Izaya> finally, some good fucking spaceship design https://www.deviantart.com/william-black/art/Over-Mars-410382989
L257[09:04:52] <Izaya> all the measurements are in US customary units though, which is somewhere between inconvenient and irritating
L258[09:06:27] <s_​a_m> sam feels awful, everything is a fuck
L259[09:14:24] <prisma> dequbed: oh? will my banking app work with microg tho
L260[09:59:17] <dequbed> prisma: Fuck if I know, mine works.
L261[10:00:10] <dequbed> Stuff that doesn't work is usually apps that assume that the API provider is always Google. Google Maps for example *really* doesn't handle the fact that the Maps API provider is OpenStreetMaps well.
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L263[10:35:55] <Izaya> don't really get the whole bank app thing
L264[10:36:19] <Izaya> just use a web browser if you need to check your balance, not like the program will do any different
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L267[10:56:56] <dequbed> Izaya: In my case the banking app is the 2nd factor, not the "see my balance" one. I'd prefer dedicated hardware but that's only available for half my accounts
L268[10:58:40] <Izaya> companies support standard 2FA challenge 2021
L269[10:58:46] * Izaya stares at Steam
L270[10:59:40] <dequbed> Izaya: This app implements "standard 2FA".
L271[11:00:05] <dequbed> Just not TOTP because this is about showing the full transaction and not just giving me a random fucking number.
L272[11:00:22] <Izaya> makes sense
L273[11:00:36] <Izaya> the state government here has an app that you "have to" use
L274[11:00:49] <Izaya> it's TOTP, but you don't get to use your own software for it
L275[11:01:39] <Izaya> so I eviscerated it to get the codes out and add it to my own software
L276[11:02:15] <dequbed> We have a (patented) one-way information transport standard that allows you to use dedicated hardware, but it usually costs extra to be able to use that.
L277[11:02:42] <Izaya> like a cross between a pager and a hardware OTP generator?
L278[11:06:35] <dequbed> Pretty much
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L280[11:08:43] <dequbed> But it uses photodiodes and flicker codes on your screen as information transfer, making it independent of any infrastructure.
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L289[12:37:07] <RayFive> Hello
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L295[12:44:38] <RayFive> Hello
L296[12:49:12] <Forec​aster> %hello
L297[12:49:12] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L304[15:58:23] <RomanRS> hi
L305[15:58:52] <RomanRS> i chatting from my OC computer
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L308[16:35:30] <RomanRS> exit
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L314[17:11:42] <Ko​dos> Anyone know if the OpenSecurity camo mag reader completely hides or are the lights still visible
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L317[17:20:34] <Forec​aster> I think it completely hides it
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L320[17:25:58] <Nam0r> hiiii
L321[17:26:05] <ROMANRS> hi
L322[17:26:20] <ROMANRS> iam minecrafter
L323[17:26:30] <Nam0r> no i am minecrafter
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L326[17:32:12] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L327[17:32:12] <MichiBot> Woooo! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 8 hours, 24 minutes and 2 seconds (By 2 hours, 32 minutes and 59 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L328[17:32:13] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.01 tonk points! plus 0.018 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 2.5705007, Position #2 Need 0.42345185 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L332[18:32:07] <^(Ma​rik☀> Hi
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L335[19:36:05] <Ko​dos> @Forecaster do you know if it still lights up when you swipe
L336[19:37:29] <Forec​aster> I don't remember
L337[20:13:25] <Amanda> %choose noms time?
L338[20:13:25] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Are you sure? Well alright.
L339[20:13:37] <Amanda> I guess I am sure, yeah
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L343[21:58:16] <CompanionCube> today on TERF island: entryist terfs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9FkqJEWEAc7y_V?format=jpg&name=large
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