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L1[00:00:14] <Amanda> keeping the exact smae ABI in forge would mean an ever-expanding compat layer
L2[00:00:44] <prisma> it kinda exists
L3[00:00:48] <prisma> is called Fabric
L4[00:01:14] <prisma> fabric doesn't just break things willy-nilly afaik
L5[00:02:28] <Amanda> %choose laptop naptime again?
L6[00:02:28] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: No, maybe tomorrow.
L7[00:02:45] <Amanda> .... I'm not leaving my laptop on overnight for no reason, MichiBot
L8[00:03:11] <prisma> Why not
L9[00:03:31] <Amanda> not worth the wear/tear on the [sh]dd
L10[00:03:48] <prisma> huh, I leave my computer on all the time
L11[00:03:57] <prisma> and I've got an SSD
L12[00:04:38] <prisma> never noticed any issues
L13[00:04:52] <prisma> might be because its a samsung ssd tho lmao
L14[00:04:54] <Amanda> I used to do that when linux would lock up or similar on suspend, but since it works fine, I'mma let my laptop nap
L15[00:05:10] <prisma> Linux good & best
L16[00:05:20] <Amanda> I had to replace the HDD once in my laptop, and just replacedthe SSD the other day for morestorage
L17[00:05:31] <prisma> From what to what?
L18[00:05:46] <Amanda> 1-250 to 500
L19[00:05:47] <prisma> I've got a 500gb ssd in rn but I might upg to a 1tb soon
L20[00:06:07] <Amanda> I also set it up so my laptop blows away / every boot. :D
L21[00:06:33] <prisma> ?
L22[00:06:45] <Amanda> my root drive is a tmpfs.
L23[00:07:00] <prisma> why
L24[00:07:21] <Amanda> Helps identify state that I might care about that isn't somewhereI'dthink to back up
L25[00:07:32] <Amanda> But mostly: For fun
L26[00:07:46] <prisma> then I'm guessing `/usr` and `/home` are on seperate partitions?
L27[00:07:58] <prisma> wait this is irc we don't have markdown
L28[00:08:00] <prisma> im stupid
L29[00:08:25] <Amanda> `/home` is, `/usr` isn'tmuch used in NixOS, beyond basic compat
L30[00:08:28] <prisma> nixos?
L31[00:08:34] <Amanda> NixOS can boot with literally just /boot and /nix
L32[00:08:35] <prisma> never heard of that one
L33[00:08:56] <Amanda> declaritive config is fun
L34[00:09:13] <Amanda> also easy roll-backs
L35[00:09:20] <prisma> hmm, should I move my games off my SSD and onto my external HDD
L36[00:09:22] <Amanda> all for "free"
L37[00:12:35] <Amanda> Literally the only things on my ssd isthe OS, and anything I install that's managd by Nix
L38[00:12:49] <Amanda> all my data, games, etc is on the spinning rust.
L39[00:13:15] * Amanda collapses into a pile of floof near Elfi
L40[00:13:21] <Amanda> going to unplug now, expect weird typos
L41[00:30:00] <Amanda> %choose waves or hallucinate
L42[00:30:00] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I received a message from future you, said to go with "hallucinate".
L43[00:30:32] <Ha​cka> is tis-3d the only one on fabric atm
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L49[00:44:43] <Amanda> > <Ha​cka> is tis-3d the only one on fabric atm
L50[00:44:43] <Amanda> Someone was working on a fabric oc1.16 port, got stuck with you shit
L51[00:44:50] <Amanda> With gpu shit
L52[00:44:55] <Amanda> Thanks, android
L53[00:46:00] <ThePiGuy24> %p
L54[00:46:01] <MichiBot> Ping reply from ThePi​Guy24 0.7s
L55[01:02:02] <Amanda> %choose early bed time?
L56[01:02:02] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Yes! Do it now!
L57[01:02:13] <Amanda> Fine, fine
L58[01:02:30] * Amanda curls up around elfi, proteccs and zzzmews
L59[01:02:32] <Amanda> Night nerds
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L61[01:06:23] <Snai​lDOS> :HelloWink: hello
L62[02:41:38] <Izaya> Amanda: ugh, steam too? good thing I installed it for OBS I guess. fucking lennartware.
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L64[02:47:35] <Izaya> kill me now >.>
L65[02:56:34] <ThePiGuy24> %p
L66[02:56:36] <MichiBot> Ping reply from ThePi​Guy24 0.7s
L67[02:56:52] <ThePiGuy24> cant tell if its just my internet or other things
L68[03:29:06] <TheDespai​rfulGamer> Hello, I want to write to an eeprom a program that will allow a drone to use wifi, is this doable? I am using oc for mc 1.10.2
L69[03:34:41] <fingercomp> I don't see why it wouldn't be
L70[03:35:31] <fingercomp> (unless, of course, you meant the real-world wireless network protocols)
L71[03:59:33] <TheDespai​rfulGamer> >finge​rcomp: I don't see why it wouldn't be
L72[03:59:33] <TheDespai​rfulGamer> nope
L73[03:59:53] <TheDespai​rfulGamer> anyways I found this Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/pikemeceli
L74[04:00:17] <TheDespai​rfulGamer> and I need a program to connect my pc to it, in game pc that is.
L75[04:00:46] <TheDespai​rfulGamer> like a normal modem code
L76[04:12:20] <fingercomp> uh, I'm quite sure this isn't even valid Lua
L77[04:12:38] <fingercomp> unless the relay bot messed the code up
L78[04:13:25] <fingercomp> ...which it did, yes; sorry, then
L79[04:17:21] <fingercomp> so, is the code doing something you don't expect?
L80[04:22:39] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L81[04:22:39] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 36 minutes and 3 seconds (By 4 hours, 4 minutes and 30 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L82[04:22:40] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points! plus 0.01 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.57401255, Position #1
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L84[04:38:15] <NoselessVillager> Hello there everyone!
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L86[04:48:28] <ThePiGuy24> %p
L87[04:48:29] <MichiBot> Ping reply from ThePi​Guy24 0.71s
L88[04:48:34] <ThePiGuy24> bah
L89[06:15:11] <dequbed> Izaya: PipeWire isn't lennartware you twat <.<
L90[06:18:14] <ThePi​Guy24> recreated my fursona in mc ;p (with tails mod) https://tinyurl.com/yjzzdsl7
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L93[06:21:09] <Izaya> dequbed: technically, I think it'd be wimware
L94[06:23:37] <dequbed> Izaya: Yes, it would.
L95[06:24:23] <ThePi​Guy24> michealware
L96[06:24:24] <ThePi​Guy24> which micheal? who knows.
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L98[07:02:06] <Va​ur> %tonk
L99[07:02:06] <MichiBot> Goshhawk! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 39 minutes and 27 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L100[07:02:07] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 2 hours, 39 minutes and 27 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00266)
L101[07:06:02] <Izaya> dequbed: think this is enough planets? https://social.shadowkat.net/media/9cc29013f9a13a6ffe8452ce888076f58afb1086687f3cd8e1d1bd20c3f027e3.png
L102[07:08:58] <dequbed> Izaya: It's definitely a start. 1x habitable planets?
L103[07:10:08] <Izaya> wild space
L104[07:10:23] <Izaya> got several colonisation ships en route, plus a bunch of planets terraforming
L105[07:13:39] <dequbed> Sure, it's a start
L106[07:29:01] <MalkC​ontent> I'm finally building a new pc irl and it really made me miss this mod 😅
L107[07:33:35] <MalkC​ontent> so basically, just trying to say thank you to anyone who helped make this thing
L108[07:33:35] <MalkC​ontent> a very memorable experience :)
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L112[08:17:56] <TPG24> %p
L113[08:17:57] <MichiBot> Ping reply from TP​G24 0.35s
L114[08:18:12] <TPG24> slightly less terrible than earlier
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L117[08:23:43] <YoPester> hi
L118[08:24:41] <YoPester> Anyone is there?
L119[08:25:00] <ThePi​Guy24> perhaps
L120[08:25:08] <YoPester> oh
L121[08:25:17] <SoraFi​restorm> can't confirm; not here
L122[08:25:25] <YoPester> what?
L123[08:25:58] <SoraFi​restorm> I'm... not here
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L126[08:40:17] <YoPester> hi
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L130[08:51:26] <YoPester> why nobody chats
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L132[08:52:49] <SoraFi​restorm> sometimes the chat is just quiet
L133[08:53:12] <SoraFi​restorm> the vast majority of the American users are probably asleep
L134[08:53:39] <SoraFi​restorm> because it's almost 2/3/4/5 AM, depending on the timezone
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L139[09:43:47] <YoPester> hi
L140[09:45:37] <YoPester> i have a bug
L141[09:45:41] <YoPester> that i cant read weather
L142[09:45:47] <YoPester> the json.lua is broken
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L149[11:41:25] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L150[11:41:25] <MichiBot> Gadsbudlikins! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 39 minutes and 27 seconds (By 1 hour, 59 minutes and 51 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L151[11:41:26] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.58401255, Position #1
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L154[12:04:09] <YoPester> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SEND HELP THERE IS TORNADO ON OUR CITY (roleplay btw)
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L156[12:34:52] * Elfi blinks.
L157[12:36:32] <Amanda> Not sure what kind of help they expect.
L158[12:42:40] <S3> Well hey
L159[12:42:54] <S3> I think I will forever favor irssi
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L163[13:06:01] <Inari> Amanda: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850276396390547466/852853729865498664/unknown.gif
L164[13:06:37] <Amanda> Inari: Let mee innnnnnn~
L165[13:11:04] <Va​ur> %tonk
L166[13:11:04] <MichiBot> Dad-Sizzle! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 29 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L167[13:11:05] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 29 minutes and 38 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00149)
L168[13:13:40] <S3> %tonka truck
L169[13:13:56] <S3> That needs to be an easter egg
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L172[13:51:09] <YoPester> HELLO?
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L174[13:52:30] * Amanda beams a thimble full of necter in front of Elfi, snugs up around
L175[13:53:31] <Amanda> %choose halucinate or continue idly staring at the code window
L176[13:53:32] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I've learned anything in life it's that you always pick "halucinate"
L177[14:15:22] * Inari melts all over Amanda
L178[14:15:58] <Amanda> rude
L179[14:17:38] <stephan48> was probably just an halucination
L180[14:31:00] <Inari> it's way too hot
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L182[14:52:26] <Z0id​berg> No idea how hot it is
L183[14:59:51] <Inari> apparently like 28 degrees, but actually morel ike 35 :P Not sure how hot exactly in my room though
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L185[15:27:01] <Inari> f
L186[15:42:50] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check if https://nixpk.gs/pr-tracker.html?pr=126142 is merged
L187[15:59:50] <Forec​aster> why is it so hard to connect a phone to a computer so you can use the computer as a handsfree
L188[16:22:47] <Inari> Amanda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfeFVSpGiWY oh no, its attacking
L189[16:22:48] <MichiBot> Cat climbing a human shadow of the colossus style | length: 16s | Likes: 60,601 Dislikes: 292 Views: 938,001 | by Webmz Funstuff | Published On 20/4/2017
L190[16:23:05] <Inari> @Forecaster a handsfree?
L191[16:23:51] <Forec​aster> use the headset connected to the computer for the phone
L192[16:56:26] <Amanda> @Forecaster if android.pair when playing media. Though I'm not sure if Windows will allow it
L193[16:56:57] <Amanda> But the audio source profile is only enabled for every bluetooth when it's playing media
L194[16:57:10] <Amanda> Source: I have my laptop paired to my TV for this
L195[17:03:40] <Amanda> "OUT OF THE WAY JACKASS!" the TCO suddenly shouted the ancient Terran movemet warning."
L196[17:15:09] * Elfi sip nectar sleepily
L197[17:16:39] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L198[17:16:39] <MichiBot> Woah! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 29 minutes and 38 seconds (By 2 hours, 35 minutes and 56 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L199[17:16:40] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.59401255, Position #1
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L205[18:53:54] <Inari> https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/eMo98nbC5CbPp_p328sjoerl8TfhRMkox3aSTxXBtjQ/%3Fformat%3Djpg%26name%3Dmedium/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/E3ZLwAvWUAAqnJL mhmm pre-seasoned
L206[18:59:23] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L207[18:59:23] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 42 minutes and 44 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L208[18:59:24] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 42 minutes and 44 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00171 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.0526703 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L211[19:34:25] <Forec​aster> seems like a nice place https://tinyurl.com/yjt6f7zu
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L215[19:38:51] <Maxim> привет
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L218[19:41:42] <Dima> привет
L219[19:42:14] <Flee​tari> Are there any news between oc and 1.16
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L222[19:42:35] <Flee​tari> I heard something about oc2 but its very unplayable
L223[19:42:51] <Flee​tari> I heard something about oc2 but people say its very unplayable [Edited]
L224[19:43:01] <Forec​aster> oc2 isn't really oc2, it's just a new computer mod
L225[19:43:05] <Flee​tari> Yea
L226[19:43:11] <Flee​tari> Not even lua i think
L227[19:43:16] <Forec​aster> correct
L228[19:43:23] <Flee​tari> Sad cause im used to it
L229[19:43:37] <Forec​aster> the last that was heard about oc on 1.16 was someone trying to port it, but stopped due to some issues
L230[19:43:52] <Flee​tari> Are original developers still working on it?
L231[19:44:01] <SoraFi​restorm> oh? what would you even do that wasn't Lua?
L232[19:44:14] <SoraFi​restorm> what other good choices are there lol
L233[19:44:51] <Forec​aster> lower level emulation if I understand it correctly
L234[19:45:52] <SoraFi​restorm> yeah, but the question there is like
L235[19:45:56] <SoraFi​restorm> how low do you go?
L236[19:46:18] <Flee​tari> Visual programming lmfao
L237[19:46:30] <SoraFi​restorm> there's a point at which it becomes so low-level it stops being even moderately useful
L238[19:46:50] <Forec​aster> who said it was supposed to be useful
L239[19:46:53] <Flee​tari> Oh wait tis 3d looks similar to oc
L240[19:46:57] <Flee​tari> Is it?
L241[19:47:08] <Forec​aster> it is not
L242[19:47:25] <Flee​tari> well it does have computers
L243[19:47:45] <Forec​aster> of a sort yes
L244[19:48:30] <SoraFi​restorm> like, I can definitely understand how for some folks that could be fun... but also like... tbh there's a large degree to which most people (including me) probably wouldn't bother with it if you can't really use it for any 'pratical' purposes
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L246[19:49:19] <Forec​aster> and that's fine
L247[19:49:31] <dequbed> @SoraFirestorm OC2 is a bare RISC-V CPU emulator in MC mod form
L248[19:49:45] <Flee​tari> >SoraFi​restorm: like, I can definitely understand how for…
L249[19:49:45] <Flee​tari> Oc?
L250[19:49:46] <SoraFi​restorm> well, at least that part has been done right :)
L251[19:53:09] <SoraFi​restorm> Would these computers be able at all to interact with the Minecraft world? Or would it be... just an emulated RISC-V machine?
L252[19:53:19] <dequbed> Well of course you have peripherals
L253[19:54:18] <SoraFi​restorm> what prompted the change?
L254[19:54:27] <dequbed> Nothing
L255[19:54:37] <dequbed> There was no change
L256[19:54:37] <SoraFi​restorm> just for fun lol aight
L257[19:54:52] <dequbed> OC2 is not OC. It has little to do with OC.
L258[19:55:11] <dequbed> Outside of the name which is down to
L259[19:55:18] <dequbed> "programmers are bad at naming things" :p
L260[19:55:30] <SoraFi​restorm> :P
L261[19:55:37] <Flee​tari> Yuh it says the title is temporary
L262[19:56:09] <Flee​tari> I guess i could use cc tweaked but cc is ugly and not as complex/full of cool features and addons
L263[19:56:26] <dequbed> Granted Snagar originally wrote OC and now writes OC2 but that is not all that relevant here.
L264[19:56:38] <SoraFi​restorm> CC also isn't really balanced
L265[19:56:45] <SoraFi​restorm> or at least it wasn't back in the ancient days
L266[19:57:01] <Flee​tari> Wait is oc2 java
L267[19:57:10] <dequbed> Jep
L268[19:57:12] <SoraFi​restorm> Where's the repo for OC2?
L269[19:57:19] <dequbed> https://github.com/fnuecke/oc2/
L270[19:58:03] <SoraFi​restorm> Interesting
L271[20:01:21] <Flee​tari> Wonder if oc2 has robots or other stuff from oc
L272[20:01:29] <dequbed> It has robots
L273[20:01:32] <SoraFi​restorm> Probably not yet
L274[20:01:35] <SoraFi​restorm> oh ok nvm
L275[20:01:38] <SoraFi​restorm> don't listen to me lmao
L276[20:01:48] <Flee​tari> Maybe i should give it a. Chance
L277[20:02:03] <SoraFi​restorm> I'd consider giving it a shot yeah
L278[20:02:07] <dequbed> Have fun
L279[20:02:13] <Flee​tari> Have you tried it?
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L283[20:07:24] <Mic​hiyo> ffs.... anyone here have experience with SFP+ networking?
L284[20:07:49] <dequbed> @Michiyo jackie & Kilobyte
L285[20:08:21] <Mic​hiyo> I bought a pair of 2 port cards. and a single cable.... I look at my cards and the fucking ports are labeled RX and TX... and now I'm wondering if I'm fucked >_>
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L289[20:14:05] <SoraFi​restorm> I'm impressed how fast it is
L290[20:14:27] <SoraFi​restorm> OC has always felt a bit sluggish to me
L291[20:15:41] <Kilobyte> Michiyo: SFP+ is bidirectional, SFP+ modules exist in both bidirectional ("BiDi") and one fiber per direction mode, the latter being cheaper
L292[20:16:16] <Kilobyte> if the word BiDi isn't involved, assume its duplex
L293[20:17:25] <dequbed> Do you mean dual-simplex? Duplex would be bidirectional over shared medium
L294[20:17:56] <Kilobyte> if you are talking fiber, "duplex" generally means two fibers next to each other
L295[20:18:04] <dequbed> Ah okay
L296[20:18:10] <Kilobyte> same if you are buying ethernet cable
L297[20:20:24] <Ko​dos> Anyone know dates for the summer sale on steam
L298[20:21:54] <SoraFi​restorm> kinda wish the built-in env had a compiler/assembler lol
L299[20:24:17] <Forec​aster> oh cool, you can resupply from vehicles now without having to board and disembark again
L300[20:30:09] <Kilobyte> also, if buying BiDi - you must make sure that the opposite modules are matching. BiDi modules are using different wavelengths for send and receive. so if one is sending on 1550nm and receiving on 1310nm, you'de have to ensure the other end uses the opposite configuration
L301[20:31:39] <Kilobyte> duplex modules generally send and receive on the same wavelength
L302[20:37:24] <Kilobyte> This is also a handy source for a nice introduction to fiber connections: https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/3gx5dz/ysk_if_you_dont_about_fiber_optics_and_how_they/
L303[20:38:48] <Kilobyte> single-mode is getting cheaper to the point where depending on your vendor single mode cable is actually cheaper than multi mode
L304[20:45:56] <bad at​ vijya> 👀
L305[20:51:23] <jackie> I guess I'm late to the fiber party :P
L306[20:54:36] <jackie> @Michiyo What exact cards and what cable have you bought?
L307[20:55:23] <bad at​ vijya> i need to assemble a new server some day
L308[20:56:00] <jackie> I'm currently waiting for all the parts for my new server to arrive so I can assemble it
L309[20:56:55] <bad at​ vijya> heh
L310[20:57:07] <bad at​ vijya> i'm still rocking absolutely ancient penryn chips
L311[20:57:42] <bad at​ vijya> though the main reason i need a new server is because it's starting up less and less often ._.
L312[20:58:35] <Kilobyte> my home "server" is a PC Engines APU2 thats also a router
L313[20:58:44] <bad at​ vijya> heh
L314[20:59:20] <bad at​ vijya> i got a PE2950 and slowly upgraded it to make it not hot garbage https://tinyurl.com/ye2bm9bn
L315[20:59:22] <bad at​ vijya> it's now just warm garbage
L316[20:59:31] <jackie> I'm currently renting a server at hetzner and it's starting to get slow (especially io because of slow spinning rust but the i7-4770 isn't a beast either) so I'm currently building a new one with dequbed to put into colocation that should be *much* faster
L317[21:00:00] <bad at​ vijya> ah
L318[21:00:12] <bad at​ vijya> i have my server sitting in my room
L319[21:00:33] <bad at​ vijya> honestly probably not gonna build a proper server, just gonna put some beefy components in a PC case and call it a day
L320[21:00:35] <bad at​ vijya> lmao
L321[21:01:01] <bad at​ vijya> wonder how much CPUs are going for on ebay
L322[21:01:40] <bad at​ vijya> wack
L323[21:01:41] <jackie> I have my NAS for that :P (some avoton atom board from supermicro in an old hp ml320 case. works well enough for what I need and is nice and silent)
L324[21:02:20] <Amanda> I use an Intel NUC as my homelab
L325[21:02:52] <bad at​ vijya> could get a R9 3900X(T) for relatively cheap
L326[21:03:04] <Mic​hiyo> Jackie, sorry just back from dropping wife off @ work https://www.ebay.com/itm/182543678010 and https://www.ebay.com/itm/392574500168
L327[21:03:09] <bad at​ vijya> cheaper than what i paid for at least
L328[21:03:14] <jackie> NUCs are nice pieces of hardware. At chaos congress we had one in yolocolo with thunderbolt SSD and 10G network interface :P
L329[21:03:42] <Forec​aster> sigh... it's great when you enter your SRV to escape from a settlement you've been tagged at, but boarding takes so long they have time to blow up the SRV...
L330[21:04:00] <bad at​ vijya> honestly getting a new server isn't too high on my priorities since
L331[21:04:01] <bad at​ vijya> uh
L332[21:04:06] <bad at​ vijya> my car is in need of many things
L333[21:04:18] <jackie> Michiyo: ignore the RX/TX Label. Those just label where on Duplex SFP+ Fiber transceivers the RX and TX side of the Fiber usually goes. it's just misleading...
L334[21:04:35] <Mic​hiyo> Oh thank fuck lol
L335[21:04:40] <Mic​hiyo> Thanks Jackie!
L336[21:04:54] <Mic​hiyo> this is my first time with stuff like this heh
L337[21:05:12] <jackie> be careful with thos cards though. they run extremely hot when not in a server airflow environment. I use exactly those at university. when not in a server case you need to actively cool them with a fan
L338[21:05:48] <jackie> (I had one in my PC for testing and it reached 80°C at idle after <10 minutes)
L339[21:05:54] <Mic​hiyo> yeah, these are going into server chassis
L340[21:06:08] <jackie> ok that should be fine then
L341[21:06:43] <Mic​hiyo> I'm running iSCSI over 1GB and I can feel that I'm saturating the link.. lol
L342[21:06:53] <Mic​hiyo> so these cards are going to be my new iSCSI link
L343[21:07:26] <jackie> ah ^^
L344[21:07:26] <jackie> yeah I got 10G gear for our proxmox/CEPH cluster at university and the speed improvement definitely is noticeable (jumbo frames also help a lot)
L345[21:07:51] <Kilobyte> Upgraded my network between hypervisors to 10 GBit. Can recommend
L346[21:08:01] <Kilobyte> (at work that is)
L347[21:08:12] <Kilobyte> VM migrations live are much faster now
L348[21:08:29] <Mic​hiyo> No switch for now (didn't have the $400+ for that) so I'm just going nic to nic
L349[21:08:52] <bad at​ vijya> speaking of things getting hot
L350[21:08:56] <bad at​ vijya> wow the ram in my PE2950 gets hot
L351[21:09:05] <bad at​ vijya> fbdimm moment
L352[21:09:34] <Mic​hiyo> These dell servers are like... 11 years old, but they handle my work just fine. Just wish I could get a GPU working in there for Plex hardware encoding
L353[21:09:55] <jackie> I'm currently moving to a new flat and layed fiber to all rooms there (one cat7 and one duplex OS2 per room as I couldn't fit two cat7 through the tubes). Now I have 10G from my NAS to my PC :>
L354[21:10:10] <bad at​ vijya> wew
L355[21:10:12] <Mic​hiyo> Nice
L356[21:10:18] <bad at​ vijya> i should do something like that at some point
L357[21:10:25] <bad at​ vijya> i don't even need particularly long fiber runs
L358[21:10:34] <bad at​ vijya> all my PCs are in about the same place
L359[21:10:55] <jackie> Michiyo: We are using stone-aged G6 and G7 HP Proliatns at university (or rather the universitie's formula student team) too because we don't pay for the power and got them for free from local companies :P
L360[21:11:04] * Amanda cuddles Elfi, loads up her stories and halucinates some more
L361[21:11:19] <bad at​ vijya> i had to get new CPUs for my PE2950
L362[21:11:25] <bad at​ vijya> so i just was like
L363[21:11:37] <bad at​ vijya> "fuck it, the L5420 is still faster than the Q6600 i used to use"
L364[21:12:02] <bad at​ vijya> still power hungry but not nearly as bad as the chips that were in it
L365[21:13:10] <jackie> L5420 sounds like a simmilar CPU gen I have in the cluster at uni ^^
L366[21:13:10] <jackie> Old and power hungry but does the job
L367[21:13:18] <bad at​ vijya> uhhhh, X5365s if i remember correctly
L368[21:13:31] <bad at​ vijya> basically what happened is one of the CPUs started to fail so i was like
L369[21:13:40] <bad at​ vijya> "huh, there are 50W TDP chips, those sound nice"
L370[21:14:21] <bad at​ vijya> $11 a pop
L371[21:14:50] <bad at​ vijya> totally worth it. as a bonus, my server didn't sound like a fighter jet taking off
L372[21:15:38] <bad at​ vijya> ah, no, it had X5450s in it when i got it
L373[21:15:48] <bad at​ vijya> which are also very power hungry so
L374[21:15:49] <Mic​hiyo> Dell r815 with 4x8/16's and 256GB RAM, a 715 with 2x6/12's, and and a 510 with... I'm not sure exactly but my 20TB storage array
L375[21:16:20] <bad at​ vijya> wew
L376[21:16:32] <bad at​ vijya> i only have 32GB of RAM in my PE2950
L377[21:16:37] <bad at​ vijya> and that runs HOT AS FUCK
L378[21:16:48] <Mic​hiyo> the 815 runs proxmox for all of my VMs, with iSCSI mounted storage from the 510
L379[21:17:11] <bad at​ vijya> the fbdimms run hotter than the cpus https://tinyurl.com/ygcsom8e
L380[21:17:13] <bad at​ vijya> it's incredible
L381[21:17:21] <Mic​hiyo> Toasty
L382[21:17:28] <jackie> https://chaosfield.at/s/rack_back.jpg https://chaosfield.at/s/rack_front.jpg The newest piece of hardware in this rack is my backup server and not owned by the formula student team :P
L383[21:17:57] <jackie> (also sadly those racks in the univeritie's datacenter don't really allow for nice power cable management)
L384[21:18:00] <Mic​hiyo> I recently built my rack, I moved it from an Ikea lack rack.. lol
L385[21:18:07] <bad at​ vijya> i wonder how expensive server chassis are
L386[21:18:12] <Mic​hiyo> now it's in a 2x4 rack :P
L387[21:18:12] <bad at​ vijya> if they're too expensive
L388[21:18:16] <bad at​ vijya> i'll do it my fucking self
L389[21:18:49] <jackie> not that bad. a 2u case from intertech with redundant PSU and fans costs around 350€ (250€ of that are the PSU)
L390[21:19:34] <jackie> Inter-Tech ASPower 2U Redundant 500W and Inter-Tech 2U-20255 are what I got for the new server
L391[21:20:45] <bad at​ vijya> i also need to build a rack
L392[21:20:53] <bad at​ vijya> my server is currently just sitting on a shelf
L393[21:22:40] <bad at​ vijya> funnily enough, this might be a "gotta build it myself" project because i don't see a box with all the things i need
L394[21:24:03] <bad at​ vijya> i have an odd need to mount a 240mm radiator in a server, do not ask why
L395[21:24:21] <dequbed> why?
L396[21:25:23] <bad at​ vijya> i said don't ask why
L397[21:25:25] <bad at​ vijya> 🔫
L398[21:29:14] <Forec​aster> why not?
L399[21:46:40] <Mic​hiyo> I want to get another of these cards and a few meters of DAC and connect my desktop to the fileserver over 10GB... lol
L400[21:48:34] <Forec​aster> Sounds excessive, you should do it
L401[21:49:15] <Forec​aster> also
L402[21:49:33] <Forec​aster> https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/skatebird-is-kickflappin-into-homemade-skateparks-in-august
L403[21:50:20] <jackie> Michiyo: for desktop I'd get a mellanox connect-x 2 or 3. They produce waaaay less heat ^^
L404[21:50:43] <Forec​aster> with a pun name like that who can say no
L405[21:52:14] <jackie> o.o those cards got expensive. I paid 50€ each for connectx-3 and 30€ for connectx-2 cards about a year ago
L406[21:58:09] <Amanda> Must be useful for some cryptocurrency fad or another
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L408[21:59:01] <Mic​hiyo> Jackie just gonna strap a 2x120mm AIO loop on it :P
L409[21:59:16] <Kilobyte> jackie: How much are they now?
L410[21:59:54] <jackie> Michiyo: lol
L411[22:00:03] <jackie> Kilobyte: around double that
L412[22:00:07] <Mic​hiyo> https://www.ebay.com/itm/353226740571?hash=item523df4535b:g:ROEAAOSw0Ktfe0k9 $37 isn't bad...
L413[22:00:53] <Amanda> I have decided all tech problems come down to cryptocyrrency. Out of printer ink? Damn cryptocurrency!
L414[22:01:04] <jackie> Michiyo: on ebay.at/ebay.de the price has gone up way higher than that. interesting
L415[22:01:08] * Amanda nods sagely, goes backto halucinating
L416[22:01:14] <Kilobyte> When network hardware is better investment than other stuff
L417[22:01:27] <Mic​hiyo> Fair enough Amanda :P
L418[22:02:20] <Ocawes​ome101> cynosure now has fake pre-emptive multitasking :^)
L419[22:02:24] <Ocawes​ome101> i hijacked `load()`
L420[22:02:48] <Ocawes​ome101> cc Izaya: immense levels of cursedness
L421[22:03:04] <Kilobyte> You may need to flash the connect x 2 with stock firmware, but both the tooling and the firmware are provided by mellanox
L422[22:03:20] <jackie> and msflint (the flash tool) works well
L423[22:03:28] <Kilobyte> They sometimes come with branded firmware which only accepts branded optics
L424[22:03:35] <bad at​ vijya> gross
L425[22:03:38] <Kilobyte> jackie: afaik it's even open source
L426[22:03:43] <jackie> it is
L427[22:04:10] <jackie> but most cards from ebay already have unbranded firmwares flashed
L428[22:04:16] <Kilobyte> Eh, most SFP(+) and similar devices only accept branded optics
L429[22:04:33] <Kilobyte> *shrug* fs.com sells fake branded optics
L430[22:04:53] <Kilobyte> (and even tooling to rebrand them in-the-field)
L431[22:05:12] <jackie> Kilobyte: I don't own any hardware that only accept certain branded optics and I have quite a lot of SFP+ equipment :P
L432[22:05:31] <Kilobyte> It's a bit annoying but there's worse things
L433[22:05:50] <jackie> primary offenders are big datacenter switches from HP/Aruba and Cisco
L434[22:05:53] <Kilobyte> jackie: because you only have MikroTik and stuff
L435[22:06:38] <jackie> and mellanox and cisco and hp branded qlogic
L436[22:07:01] <Kilobyte> jackie: basically any major vendor. Some provide you an option to disable that "feature". Others accept third-party but spam your logs
L437[22:07:12] <jackie> (If you count SFP non-plus too then netgear, tplink and dlink too but those are cheap switches)
L438[22:07:21] <jackie> Kilobyte: juniper?
L439[22:07:53] <Kilobyte> Afaik they at least bitch at you, I'm not sure if they actually prevent you from using it
L440[22:08:26] <Kilobyte> Haven't actually used juniper myself yet
L441[22:08:35] <jackie> me neither ^^
L442[22:09:44] <Kilobyte> HP is probably worst offender, having at least 4 different codings which are incompatible - and I believe one of them actually does challenge/response auth
L443[22:09:55] <jackie> yep
L444[22:10:43] <Kilobyte> The Flexfabric at work is pretty chill, it only screams at you in its logs
L445[22:11:15] <Kilobyte> The ProCurve I have completely refuses to work with wrong coding iirc
L446[22:11:37] <Kilobyte> Without option for bypass
L447[22:11:40] <Mic​hiyo> Now I'm worried about these HP cards I have....
L448[22:11:59] <jackie> those are fine
L449[22:12:38] <Kilobyte> Network cards usually are. Switches are another story
L450[22:12:43] <jackie> they are rebranded qlogic cards and even with the HP firmware they ate everything I threw at them
L451[22:13:17] <jackie> (even the Cisco 10G fabric extender modules I usually misuse as multimode SFP+ modules in non-cisco equipment as I got a handful of them for free)
L452[22:13:54] <Mic​hiyo> Yeah, I caught the qlogic connection with some quick googling.
L453[22:14:58] <jackie> If used in an HP server, leave the hp firmware (but upgrade to latest, they had some nasty bugs in older firmware versions). If not hp server you could reflash to unbranded firmware but it shouldn't hurt to leave them hp branded
L454[22:15:25] <Mic​hiyo> yeah all of my servers are dell, I'm not going to mess with the firmware if I can avoid it
L455[22:15:39] <Kilobyte> You should be fine
L456[22:16:07] <Kilobyte> The HP firmware is able to better communicate errors with your BMC on HP hardware - that's about it
L457[22:16:11] <jackie> just make sure they are running the latest version. I had some nasty problems with older firmware versions
L458[22:16:38] <jackie> Kilobyte: primarely temperature so the server can regulate the fans better
L459[22:17:11] <Kilobyte> Ah, I did not know that
L460[22:18:20] <jackie> if you plug in any pcie cards into an hp server that the iLo does not know how to read temperatures from it will ramp up the fans to almost max speed
L461[22:18:39] <Mic​hiyo> No thanks. lmao
L462[22:18:54] <Kilobyte> Wtf quasseldroid, why is every time I open the app there's a "jackie: " prefilled
L463[22:19:33] <Amanda> Kilobyte: QD decided you must CC jackie on everything
L464[22:19:42] <jackie> Michiyo: well in a datacenter environment it's definitely the thing you want it to do instead of risking overheating of components
L465[22:20:12] <Kilobyte> Amanda: I mean I can try - but I'll probably regret it next time I see him
L466[22:20:32] <jackie> :P
L467[22:20:36] <Mic​hiyo> I'm just glad I moved them from the foot of my bed.
L468[22:21:08] <Mic​hiyo> They were usually fairly quiet.. but sometimes man
L469[22:21:13] <jackie> Silence certainly isn't a design goal for rackmount servers :P
L470[22:21:22] <Kilobyte> I'd generally try to stay away from server grade cooling at home
L471[22:21:41] <Kilobyte> Unless I have a soundproof room in my basement
L472[22:22:09] <Forec​aster> Amanda but what if your printer had the ability to autonomously order more ink for itself using cryptocurrency
L473[22:22:19] <jackie> Kilobyte: welllll the cooling of the old vienna scientific cluster would be ok noise-wise (the hardware was submerged in mineral oil and had a cooling loop with radiators on the roof :P)
L474[22:22:21] <Kilobyte> Even then, that equipment takes a lot of energy. The ProCurve I have here has like 100W idle
L475[22:22:32] <Amanda> @Forecaster they'd last even less time than usual
L476[22:22:50] <Kilobyte> jackie: ah liquid cooling - you can do that passively too :P
L477[22:23:08] <Kilobyte> (well almost, you usually still need a pump)
L478[22:23:11] <jackie> not with the amount of heat the cluster nodes produced :P
L479[22:23:23] <Kilobyte> Depends on the size of your radiator
L480[22:23:55] <jackie> the current-old cluster (VSC3) is air cooled and the new VSC4 is water cooled with off-the-shelf water cooled servers from lenovo iirc
L481[22:24:40] * Amanda begins pumping water into Inari's bedroom, to see her thermal properties
L482[22:24:44] <Kilobyte> @Forecaster: not so far away from reality. Some printers are remote monitored and if they get low on ink the vendor will automatically send a new cartridge
L483[22:24:47] <jackie> there were people in the VSC4 room today when I was in the DC but they were too busy for me to just walk in and randomly asking them for a vsc4 tour ^^
L484[22:25:15] <Kilobyte> Or toner the is
L485[22:25:20] <Kilobyte> *that
L486[22:25:58] <Kilobyte> jackie: I doubt many people are at work currently if they don't have a good reason to :P
L487[22:26:08] <Kilobyte> Especially in IT
L488[22:28:24] <Inari> Amanda: D: rude
L489[22:30:32] <Kilobyte> Inari: but now you've got your personal pool
L490[22:31:07] <Inari> I'm a fox, I don't need a pool!
L491[22:31:11] <Inari> also hi, you're alive
L492[22:31:32] <Kilobyte> Yes I am :D
L493[22:31:43] <Kilobyte> Not very active on IRC anymore though
L494[22:31:55] <Inari> Mostly same for me I guess
L495[22:32:25] <Amanda> Inari: at least you have some warning thanks to that damned tenticle pit under your bed to buffer the fllood
L496[22:32:41] <Inari> Also not really playing MC at the moment. May try again on that Izaya server once it gets HW upgrades. But largely I always grow too annoyed with the lag, chunk issues (due to stuff unloading), crashes, etc
L497[22:32:51] <Inari> Amanda: :p
L498[22:32:57] <Inari> Amanda: don't drown them!
L499[22:33:38] <Amanda> Inari: tch, you can't drown plants!
L500[22:33:48] <Inari> of course you can
L501[22:34:21] <Kilobyte> Inari: I should probably again too. I believe I was on there like uhh.. once?
L502[22:34:41] <Kilobyte> Been a couple of years since my last round
L503[22:34:47] <Inari> probably new map anyway then
L504[22:35:08] <Kilobyte> (not quite actually. Around a year ago a nostalgia 1.4 server with a friend)
L505[22:35:11] <Inari> still waiting for someone to make a techmodded MC alternative
L506[22:35:47] <Kilobyte> Someone who I first met on IRC, years later IRL and even layer realised they're the same person
L507[22:36:09] <Inari> haha
L508[22:36:55] <Kilobyte> That reminds me, I wanted to get Auth fully implemented in PackUpdate
L509[22:37:27] <Inari> Well, I was heading to bed, so, good night
L510[22:37:31] <Kilobyte> The backend _should_ work, but I can't test it without implementing the frontend
L511[22:37:39] <Kilobyte> Inari: sleep well!
L512[22:37:56] <Inari> thanks, you too, whenever you go
L513[22:38:03] <Kilobyte> Thanks :D
L514[22:38:29] ⇦ Quits: Inari (~Pinkishu@p4fe7ea24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)
L515[22:40:45] <Kilobyte> I'd love to rewrite PackUpdate in rust, but that'd mean writing some kind of windows/linux/mac polyglot that does not depend on file permissions on Unix
L516[22:42:23] <Kilobyte> My original idea was to have a Shell-Script "foo" and a "foo.bat" at same location and just run "foo" - but that depends on "foo" being executable
L517[22:42:34] <Kilobyte> Which isn't possible using ZIP
L518[22:42:48] <Kilobyte> If someone has an idea - I'm interested
L519[22:43:49] <Kilobyte> I could use a .jar to launch a native binary, but that just feels dirty
L520[23:05:21] <Amanda> .jar calling into rust using jni
L521[23:05:37] <Kilobyte> i'm not sure if thats more cursed or less
L522[23:15:29] <Amanda> %choose cursed; more or less
L523[23:15:29] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: more cursed
L524[23:15:37] <Amanda> ah, guess it's not worth it
L525[23:16:44] <Kilobyte> if i go that that route i might just offer the option to create both OS-specific mmc packs and one with a .jar wrapper. but eh, i'll stay with scala for now. it's a still a pretty good language
L526[23:47:03] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@port-92-192-125-38.dynamic.as20676.net) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
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