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L3[00:30:40] <Izaya> heheh
L4[00:30:46] <Izaya> ocvm over ssh on an e-reader
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L6[01:04:01] <Klea​dron> I introduce the "only for me license"
L7[01:04:08] <Klea​dron> you can't use my code or program in any way
L8[01:04:14] <Klea​dron> :)
L9[01:13:34] <Amanda> Well then, that's unfortunate.
L10[01:15:18] <Izaya> Ariri: does this video make any sense to you https://anime.website/media/7195718d0505dc1df1b625fa1d7a37386380c9dad718dd49d99f773fe058a9c0.mp4
L11[01:18:27] <Amanda> I was going to jokingly link one of the private gitweb repos on my homelab and say "Oh, I use that here." but... turns out, gitweb will happily read from projects not explictly listed in it's projects.list given a valid path in it's directory.
L12[01:18:52] <Amanda> ( I have now fixed that oversight in my git hosting )
L13[01:57:56] <Elfi> That's literally just "all rights reserved" fullstopo
L14[01:58:00] <Elfi> *fullstop
L15[01:59:53] <Ar​iri> Izaya: I don't remember watching that but somehow I immediately knew it was a Kurosai video
L16[01:59:54] <Ar​iri> Anyways, it does make sense to me, but to explain it in simple non-zoomer english is out of my present ability, so put shortly it's a sh*tpost made from the conversation of Paul Rudd with himself
L17[02:00:05] <Ar​iri> https://youtu.be/huH-NMv1ad4
L18[02:00:05] <MichiBot> People day 99 of quarantine : "Look at us" #PaulRudd #Livingwithyourself | length: 58s | Likes: 18,523 Dislikes: 201 Views: 775,317 | by CONTAGIOUS | Published On 2/12/2019
L19[02:01:25] <Ar​iri> Unrelated: no one here would happen to have an auto-rotating screen based on orientation script that I could steal, would they?
L20[02:05:39] <Amanda> I do,but it's written in The Screams Of The Damned, so viewing it would be to forfit your sanity
L21[02:10:40] <Ar​iri> fair enough
L22[02:12:17] <Amanda> Also I lent the usb drive containing it to an eldrich abomination, and they're notorious for not giving back things they've borrowed
L23[02:16:02] <Ar​iri> sounds like [insert joke regarding a well-known character here]
L24[02:18:46] <pay​onel> @Trainfan91 mod pack failed to load. said i needed unuparts 4.3.1 and mts 19.15.4 for UNU civilian vhicles
L25[02:19:29] <Ocawes​ome101> Ah, Minecraft Transport Simulator
L26[02:36:06] <Ar​iri> ...
L27[02:36:13] <Ar​iri> I put KDE on Pop Os
L28[02:36:19] <Ar​iri> OS*
L29[02:36:26] <Ar​iri> so i have K-Pop OS
L30[02:54:07] <bad at​ vijya> @Ariri 🗞️
L31[02:55:05] <Ar​iri> fair
L32[03:08:55] <Elfi> Also Izaya, the only thing that makes sense in that video is that it plays the love theme from Megaman Legends 1
L33[03:09:01] <Elfi> I can recognize it
L34[03:29:45] <Amanda> %tell Inari hey hey hey! I found the "pay attention to me" button! https://i.imgur.com/WYTPWZE.gifv
L35[03:29:45] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L36[03:31:22] <Amanda> Did vidya just serve ariri papers?
L37[03:32:13] <Amanda> I mean, it's a bad joke, but hardly worth a lawsuit
L38[03:38:07] <bad at​ vijya> i just found out that
L39[03:38:09] <bad at​ vijya> in titanfall 2
L40[03:38:16] <bad at​ vijya> the satchel charge clips into the flag stand in capture the flag
L41[03:38:29] <bad at​ vijya> much hilarity ensues as the flag keeps exploding the enemy
L42[03:44:23] <Izaya> just spent two hours at 100km/h
L43[03:44:23] <Izaya> comf
L44[03:57:13] <Izaya> I think my bike's idle is too low though
L45[03:57:35] <Izaya> or maybe the low-speed jets are partially clogged
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L48[04:20:45] <Amanda> That's entirely too many kilo musicals per hour, Izaya
L49[04:21:17] * Amanda coalesses into a pile of floof by Elfi, zzzmews
L50[04:21:20] <Amanda> Night nerds
L51[04:25:01] <Saphire> Mmh
L52[04:25:10] <Saphire> Izaya: https://saphi.re/color
L53[04:26:52] <Izaya> two-tone blue?
L54[04:37:46] <Izaya> from a post on fedi:
L55[04:37:48] <Izaya> > I suspect that I spend fewer cycles on compiling software than most people burn using terrible editors. Atom, for example, boasted that they got the "draw a character on the screen" latency *down* from 8ms to 5.6ms: http://blog.atom.io/2017/06/22/a-new-approach-to-text-rendering.html . On the latest model MacBook Pro at the time--it is inadvisable to pretend that the authors of that
L56[04:37:50] <Izaya> editor were using a different computer than that--that's 17 million cycles, just for drawing the rune on the screen.
L57[04:44:00] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L58[04:44:00] <MichiBot> Crud! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 16 minutes and 28 seconds (By 2 hours, 22 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L59[04:44:01] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points! plus 0.008 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.17256255, Position #1
L60[04:46:47] <Izaya> ThePiGuy24: https://i.4cdn.org/hr/1620973899374.jpg
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L62[05:08:29] <Izaya> https://anime.website/media/fff890f7228ff3d95ee7471f0678e51015c620103b78233a8c554ab552030139.png
L63[05:12:33] <Izaya> CompanionCube: currently listening to some people in #lainchan debug NFS in genera
L64[05:12:46] <CompanionCube> oh?
L65[05:13:06] <CompanionCube> did you link them the standard install guide?
L66[05:13:22] <Izaya> what they're doing is mostly going over my head tbh
L67[05:13:51] <Izaya> neat stuff though https://pomf.lain.la/f/b31ib2ta.png https://pomf.lain.la/f/o4190zq.png
L68[05:13:54] <CompanionCube> https://archives.loomcom.com/genera/genera-install.html
L69[05:14:36] <CompanionCube> iirc it's anonymous NFSv2 since none of the authentication stuff works in the modern era.
L70[05:15:01] <Izaya> UDP mode sunrpc NFS
L71[05:15:14] <CompanionCube> there's also the build that claims NFSv3 from someone else later on.
L72[05:16:21] <CompanionCube> can has logs when they're finished?
L73[05:16:47] <Izaya> remind me tomorrow and I'll grep it for you
L74[05:18:12] * CompanionCube is assuming the remembered to patch the X11.
L75[05:19:29] * CompanionCube also assumes they have a copy the source code for the VLM.
L76[05:19:37] <CompanionCube> or rather, *a* build of it.
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L79[07:01:07] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L80[07:01:08] <MichiBot> Bingo! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 17 minutes and 7 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L81[07:01:09] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 17 minutes and 7 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00229 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.1901203 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L83[07:08:44] <bad at​ vijya> i am here now
L84[07:33:16] <bad at​ vijya> oh yeah, tsuki's filesystem
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L86[07:35:07] <bad at​ vijya> i should get on that
L87[07:35:13] <bad at​ vijya> shouldn't be too hard
L88[07:35:24] <bad at​ vijya> i say
L89[07:35:36] <bad at​ vijya> knowing damn well it will be
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L94[09:51:20] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L95[09:51:20] <MichiBot> Aw jeez! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 17 minutes and 7 seconds (By 33 minutes and 5 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L96[09:51:21] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.8885307, Position #3 Need 0.1861203 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L98[10:34:10] <Izaya> CompanionCube, Skye, y's gonna get smashed? https://letsalllovela.in/media/4528ac72b7290a32e09a607fcf16c4479dd7f286d5a278b02c7fb47a63f8985d.jpg
L99[10:37:11] <stephan48> but please do it in one sitting
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L108[12:04:16] <Totoro_jr> What is this ???
L109[12:04:34] <dequbed> An IRC channel
L110[12:04:46] <Totoro_jr> In MC ?!
L111[12:04:55] <dequbed> No, not exactly
L112[12:05:09] <Totoro_jr> Ah ok
L113[12:05:10] <dequbed> The channel is hosted on the EsperNet. The client you're using is in MC
L114[12:05:12] <Forec​aster> technically the channel is outside of minecraft, it's just accessible within minecraft
L115[12:05:30] <Totoro_jr> wow it's fun
L116[12:06:21] <dequbed> Totoro_jr: Also %hello
L117[12:06:22] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L119[12:34:08] <Amanda> Have you heard the good mews?
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L122[12:48:14] <Forec​aster> is it pizza?
L123[12:48:24] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L124[12:48:24] <MichiBot> Heckgosh! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 57 minutes and 3 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L125[12:48:25] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 57 minutes and 3 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00295)
L126[12:48:29] <Amanda> How did you know!
L127[12:48:35] * Amanda noms all the pizza in the multiverse
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L129[12:59:32] <ThePi​Guy24> Izaya: since you keep sending me somewhat cursed soviet stuff, heres some in return, here is a friend using a cursed old soviet era battery charger to charge the battery in their citroen bx https://tinyurl.com/yez679d9
L130[13:00:05] <Izaya> damn where do I get one of those
L131[13:00:10] <Izaya> that's a e s t h e t i c
L132[13:00:13] <Amanda> Thievery!
L133[13:00:23] <Izaya> wires look pretty sketchy though
L134[13:00:47] <ThePi​Guy24> is perfectly safe comrade
L135[13:00:52] <Forec​aster> what wires? all I see is spaghetti
L136[13:01:14] <dequbed> Izaya: It's a battery charger. It's not like there'll be large amounts of current
L137[13:01:32] <Izaya> most of them I've worked with double as jump-starters
L138[13:01:56] <ThePi​Guy24> that would be a feature, this is a soviet appliance, no features here
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L140[13:11:31] <Izaya> also is that a like
L141[13:11:33] <Izaya> cardboard front?
L142[13:13:21] <ThePi​Guy24> i think its just very aged plastic
L143[13:13:57] <Izaya> has the texture of rough cardboard in the image
L144[13:14:01] <Izaya> it's an ... interesting look
L145[13:14:50] <ThePi​Guy24> also dont mind the cursed air hose, that was the previous owners doing (or so im told)
L146[13:15:39] <Izaya> I'm enjoying the two hand grenades
L147[13:16:03] <ThePi​Guy24> that is part of the cursed citroen suspension stuff
L148[13:21:37] <Izaya> if you hit a bump too hard it pulls the pin and the engine cavity detonates?
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L152[13:37:38] <Bob> salut
L153[13:37:47] <Bob> hi
L154[13:38:52] <Forec​aster> %hello
L155[13:38:52] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L158[13:41:49] <Forec​aster> kbye
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L165[14:47:04] <sohzy_> wait so what exactly is this channel used for?
L166[14:47:27] <Izaya> it's the OpenComputers channel
L167[14:47:33] <Izaya> I'm not sure what more can be added to that
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L169[14:49:46] <ThePi​Guy24> there are sometimes discussions here
L170[14:56:31] <Amanda> not often, but sometimes
L171[14:56:40] <Amanda> more often it's just the endless howling of the damned
L172[14:58:15] <Train​fan91> @payonel good morning; what did you find out?
L173[14:58:42] <pay​onel> modpack start failed, said it was missing 2 mods. see earlier message i sent you
L174[15:00:11] <Train​fan91> @payonel unu should go in resourcepaks if zip
L175[15:01:04] <Train​fan91> this is so it only need the trains; not the dependicies
L176[15:01:30] <Train​fan91> btw what hours are your active hours?
L177[15:02:30] <Train​fan91> @payonel if that doesn't work delete the unu pack entirely; for what u are doing it's optional
L178[15:03:13] <Elfi> Remember folks that not everyone uses EsperNet for Minecraft, particularly those among the old guard
L179[15:03:30] <Elfi> Oh, wait, that's the OC IRC client
L180[15:04:11] <Elfi> Disregard what I said lmfao
L181[15:04:23] * Elfi goes back to the oldbie corner
L182[15:04:44] * Amanda snugs up around Elfi, yawns
L183[15:05:09] <pay​onel> @Trainfan91 i try not to spend too much time putting together mod packs from individual files and lists for repros from users. i'll continue to put it together to run your pack, but for the future, you should bundle your files in a way that others (such as mod devs) have nothing to do but copy files to minecraft dir, and run it
L184[15:05:21] <pay​onel> not copy these here, these files over here. if this is a zip, copy that over there.
L185[15:05:50] <pay​onel> hoenstly, it should as easy as "mv files-from-trainfan91/* path/to/minecraft/"
L186[15:06:25] <pay​onel> elfi: i used to be anti discord, irc will live past the heat death of the universe, as we all know
L187[15:06:35] <pay​onel> but SOO many of my communities i'm a part of now are discord only
L188[15:06:47] <pay​onel> so, i had this open all the time anyways /me shrugs
L189[15:07:04] <Amanda> I still only end up launching discord when I get into some specific games mood
L190[15:07:20] <Train​fan91> @payonel is the upload page still active? ill just give whole instance pre-setup
L191[15:07:31] <Elfi> I'm anti-discord but begrudgingly using it because there is unfortunately no better options for ease of access
L192[15:08:14] <Elfi> ...at least where there isn't an IRC presence I can use instead =3=
L193[15:08:28] <Train​fan91> what could discord do better in your opinion?
L194[15:08:32] <Elfi> I'm also a bitter bitch and shun communities that explicitly took members away from equivalent communities on IRC
L195[15:08:54] <Amanda> Elfi: verifying my sight-rading, is that meant to be that kissy face that a lot of anime like to use for "sarcastic comment"?
L196[15:08:55] <Elfi> Simply put, not to be discord. the design is flawed
L197[15:08:56] <pay​onel> @Trainfan91 yes it is. but you don't need to worry about it 🙂 i'm happy to poke at it again
L198[15:09:06] <Elfi> Amanda: right you are
L199[15:09:09] <Amanda> :D
L200[15:09:13] <pay​onel> i'm just not at my gaming machine atm to move the files
L201[15:09:14] <Train​fan91> ty
L202[15:09:26] <Amanda> I forgot howmuch World Trigger loved to use that art style until Iw as watching S2 a while ago
L203[15:09:42] <Elfi> I am also an old bitch who still uses text emotes fite me
L204[15:09:43] <Amanda> like all the icons for the commentator's view had that fae
L205[15:09:47] <Elfi> (9 '-')9
L206[15:10:31] <Amanda> <(-.-<) Dancing slepy kirby!
L207[15:10:44] <Train​fan91> @payonel when are MOST mods available to talk? sometimes the green light is lit but nobody's home...
L208[15:11:21] <Train​fan91> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L209[15:11:27] <Amanda> You know everyone's here by choice, not as a financial/buisness obligation, right trianfan?
L210[15:11:45] <Amanda> There's no fixed schedule
L211[15:11:48] <pay​onel> sometimes even when i shouldn't be available, i am 🙂
L212[15:11:53] <pay​onel> and sometimes when i could be, i'm not
L213[15:12:01] <Amanda> %ocstats may have some better idea on when mostpeople are active though
L214[15:12:03] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/ssstats/oc/index.html
L215[15:12:10] <Elfi> tbh I've been deputized as a chanop and IRCop so many times over so many years, whenever it happens I usually just... leave
L216[15:12:15] <Elfi> Or say in no uncertain terms "fuck you pay me"
L217[15:12:21] <Train​fan91> sorry to bother u @payonel may i ask what time zone u live in?
L218[15:12:40] <Train​fan91> im eastern if it helps...
L219[15:12:44] <pay​onel> but i would say, i'm PROBABLY not going to be on between ... 0700 UTC and 1300 UTC
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L221[15:14:23] * Amanda deputises Elfi as queen of the boops
L222[15:14:32] <Elfi> :o
L223[15:14:37] * Elfi boops Amanda
L224[15:14:48] * Amanda quickly turns her head, sneezes
L225[15:15:03] <Train​fan91> eww covid
L226[15:15:21] <Train​fan91> i hope amanda was wearing mask
L227[15:15:28] <Elfi> Like, no shit though, one time it happened in an FFXIV community, some drama with the second-in-command IMMEDIATELY interrupted, and I was already dealing with hard burnout from the game itself, so I was like "yeah, don't need this"
L228[15:16:08] <M​GR> I'm not sure how functional ocstats is
L229[15:16:19] <M​GR> Whenever I click a username I get an error
L230[15:16:31] <M​GR> The main page does seem mostly up to date though
L231[15:16:40] <Train​fan91> someone told me all final fantasy games are seprate form one another; (unlike kingdom hearts) is this true?
L232[15:16:40] <Elfi> The main page is dating back to April 7th
L233[15:17:20] <Train​fan91> Amanda can i be king of trains?
L234[15:17:35] <Elfi> Trainfan91: More or less. There are spinoffs of the mainline titles to cover sequels and the like, and the rare corner case
L235[15:18:31] <Elfi> Final Fantasy XII for example is based on Ivalice as established by the independent spinoff Final Fantasy Tactics, while Final Fantasy IV had a sequel in the After Years, Final Fantasy X had X-2, and all those VII spinoffs...
L236[15:18:44] <Train​fan91> elfi how do we feel about tifa's breast reduction?
L237[15:19:20] <Elfi> You think our tits are incompressible or something? >_>
L238[15:19:22] <Train​fan91> to me it's ok as it's square's character...
L239[15:20:10] <Train​fan91> incompressible?
L240[15:21:19] <Elfi> tl;dr her clothes are just being more realistic, coming from a woman
L241[15:21:48] <Elfi> Because there are clothing options that can reduce the profile of our breasts, especially things like sports bras for athletic purposes (like Tifa's case), up to and including binders for transmasc and gender-nonconforming folks that flatten them outright
L242[15:21:52] <The King ​of Trains> ok; so better bra and more poly then; lol
L243[15:22:29] <The King ​of Trains> polygons i mean
L244[15:23:07] <The King ​of Trains> i SWEAR tifa used to have a rack as bad as ps1 lara
L245[15:25:39] <The King ​of Trains> @payonel pls pm me when back to work at fix ok?
L246[15:31:15] <Elfi> On the subject of final fantasy, may I introduce everyone to its composer and guinness world record holder Masayoshi Soken https://clips.twitch.tv/KindSuspiciousRutabagaJKanStyle-aL31oPQ2O3fXfp5S
L247[15:31:29] <Elfi> to FFXIV's composer rather, rather
L248[15:34:14] <The King ​of Trains> Elfi what does he hold a record for?
L249[15:34:24] <Elfi> Most compositions in a single video game
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L251[15:34:40] <The King ​of Trains> how many?
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L253[15:34:53] <Elfi> When the record was granted, 384
L254[15:35:16] <Elfi> And that was... two expansions ago in FFXIV
L255[15:35:26] <Elfi> So it's only grown since then
L256[15:35:29] <The King ​of Trains> O_o
L257[15:35:37] <Elfi> yep
L258[15:35:50] <The King ​of Trains> are they any good though?
L259[15:36:09] <Elfi> I mean, yeah. They're pretty boss and cover a diverse range of genres
L260[15:36:34] <The King ​of Trains> dude MUST have been overworked...
L261[15:36:58] <The King ​of Trains> considering there's no unions laws in japan
L262[15:37:01] <t20kdc> maybe FFXIV has just been around a really long time
L263[15:37:11] <Elfi> I think he has a genuine love and talent for the craft considering how he pulls stunts like this
L264[15:37:32] <dequbed> So it turns out the LD50 for the nori I have at home is about 126kg. I'm positive I'm not going to eat that much in a single sitting.
L265[15:37:51] <Elfi> That's over the body weight of most people
L266[15:38:00] <The King ​of Trains> ld50
L267[15:38:05] <Amanda> Ah yes, final fantasy fifty, the really-really final fantasy
L268[15:38:07] <pay​onel> i'm surprised we dont have more bugs in mods with ItemStack duplications
L269[15:38:09] <Elfi> I think the LD50 is the least of your concerns trying to consume that much
L270[15:38:26] <pay​onel> i just figured out how to fix transposers removing items from component inventories
L271[15:38:37] <t20kdc> Amanda: to be fair given that XIV is even a thing...
L272[15:38:49] <pay​onel> also, i wish a i had a really dew to drink right now
L273[15:38:50] <The King ​of Trains> anyone know WHY it's called final fanasy?
L274[15:38:52] <dequbed> Elfi: I'm not trying to. It's just that the BzGA (≈ FDA in USA) is *very* adamant about the fact that I should not eat more than 1g of Nori per day
L275[15:38:57] <pay​onel> amanda: can you get me a drink?
L276[15:39:13] <Elfi> Because Fighting Fantasy was already taken and the producer was ready to drop out of gamedev if it failed
L277[15:39:14] * Amanda beams a mug of @payonel's favourite carbonated beverage in front of him
L278[15:39:21] <pay​onel> omg thank you
L279[15:39:23] <The King ​of Trains> %sip
L280[15:39:23] <MichiBot> You drink a molten violet potion (New!). The King of Trains feels a strong urge to recycle the potion bottle.
L281[15:39:42] <The King ​of Trains> lol
L282[15:39:46] <Corded> * <pay​onel> hugs amanda unless not accepted :)
L283[15:39:48] <Elfi> The latter is the basis for a popular misconception that it was going to be Square's swan song, but in reality they just wanted that "Ef Ef" sound
L284[15:40:29] <Elfi> ...Honestly imagine if it was a timeline where it was Fighting Fantasy instead and they struck a deal with the western rightsholders
L285[15:41:05] <The King ​of Trains> elfi are you talking to me?
L286[15:41:13] <Elfi> No, to Payonel
L287[15:41:17] <Elfi> Or wait, no
L288[15:41:23] <Elfi> I misread I guess it was to you, lmao
L289[15:41:40] <Elfi> I haven't had both cups of coffee yet and I'm going through some shit so I don't promise lucidity even then
L290[15:41:48] <pay​onel> i played ff1 and ff3 (jp ff6) for hundreds and hundreds of hours of my childhood life
L291[15:42:03] <pay​onel> i played a small bit of 7. and then never played any later titles
L292[15:42:28] <Elfi> FF6 was where it peaked tbh, you picked a good time to hop off
L293[15:42:32] <The King ​of Trains> i thought it was square was going to foreclose and and they wanted to publish something REALLY exceptional before selling
L294[15:42:59] <Elfi> Nah, that's a popular misconception
L295[15:43:03] <The King ​of Trains> ff 6 us or japan
L296[15:43:19] <The King ​of Trains> ok cool
L297[15:43:29] <pay​onel> there is no (i think) ff6 US
L298[15:43:35] <pay​onel> us goes 1, 2, 3, 7
L299[15:43:42] <pay​onel> jp has them all
L300[15:43:59] <Elfi> There is no distinct "FF6 US", re-releases just put it back in the right order
L301[15:44:03] <pay​onel> us 1 = jp 1; us 2 = jp 4, us 3 = jp 6
L302[15:44:07] <Elfi> Excepting the SNES Mini I guess
L303[15:44:07] <pay​onel> then they are the same
L304[15:44:27] <The King ​of Trains> stupid question; how do mechanical hdd's work? there's magnets in there correct?
L305[15:44:28] <Elfi> But that's also banking on nostalgia
L306[15:44:45] * dequbed hands Elfi a mug of coffee with exaclty two dollops of milk
L307[15:45:04] <Forec​aster> mechanical hard drives definitely operate on nostalgia
L308[15:45:14] <Elfi> Correct, they use rare earth magnets and electromagnetism to read and write magnetic data stored on platters of glass coated in ferrous material
L309[15:45:18] <Forec​aster> and prayers
L310[15:45:20] <Elfi> bless you dequbed
L311[15:45:27] <Elfi> You know exactly how I like it
L312[15:45:33] <dequbed> I do ;)
L313[15:45:38] <The King ​of Trains> Elfi; i need a mug of steam; care to pass me one?
L314[15:46:22] <Elfi> I can give you a cup of water and a match, the rest is up to you
L315[15:46:30] <The King ​of Trains> nvm lol
L316[15:46:39] * t20kdc passes The King of Trains a mug containing the abstract concept of a program that installs steam on a computer.
L317[15:47:07] <The King ​of Trains> lol i mean boiled water...
L318[15:47:25] <The King ​of Trains> not the gaben engine
L319[15:47:42] <Forec​aster> it'd have to be an upside-down mug
L320[15:47:59] <The King ​of Trains> or have a lid....
L321[15:48:09] <Forec​aster> but then how'd you drink it
L322[15:48:57] <The King ​of Trains> same way all trains do; put in boiler
L323[15:49:25] <The King ​of Trains> i am coal fired
L324[15:49:56] <Forec​aster> but the boiler makes the steam, you don't put steam into it
L325[15:50:42] <The King ​of Trains> i'll wait for condensation to take place then...
L326[15:51:19] <The King ​of Trains> forcaster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv7jvyslRek
L327[15:51:19] <MichiBot> All Toasters Toast Toast | length: 24s | Likes: 10,442 Dislikes: 147 Views: 748,860 | by PolasRetroCafe | Published On 4/9/2006
L328[15:57:37] <pay​onel> setInventorySlotContents should not be a thing
L329[15:57:50] <pay​onel> forge api should have only allow a swap method
L330[15:57:59] <Vampyre> there were condenser steam trains build specially for deserts
L331[16:02:50] <Forec​aster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Ns_n_7QzU
L332[16:02:50] <MichiBot> This Kawasho 5.5-inch Color CRT from 1988 | length: 19m 48s | Likes: 5,854 Dislikes: 51 Views: 76,512 | by LGR Blerbs | Published On 14/5/2021
L333[16:12:00] <dequbed> Ariri: Oh also, did you end up making the mochi? ;)
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L335[16:27:05] <Ar​iri> dequbed: I honestly forgot to get stuff to make it when I went for a grocery run
L336[16:27:19] <Ar​iri> should be a good indication of how likely i am to screw up making it
L337[16:28:06] <Amanda> %choose continue trying to find halucinations or irradiate
L338[16:28:06] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: You *could* do "continue trying to find halucinations", I guess.
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L340[16:30:01] <Ar​iri> why tho >.>
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L342[16:31:57] <dequbed> @Ariri You should still try ;) Even if you mess up. The second time is always easier and so on ;)
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L344[16:36:55] <The King ​of Trains> %choose YAAY or JOSH
L345[16:36:55] <MichiBot> The King ​of Trains: Somebody once told me to roll with "YAAY"
L346[16:38:02] <The King ​of Trains> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XRXs-QHkq0
L347[16:38:02] <MichiBot> YEEY or JOOJ? | length: 25s | Likes: 14,588 Dislikes: 462 Views: 955,449 | by ugotaphonenumber | Published On 10/3/2013
L348[16:39:14] <The King ​of Trains> %choose barrel roll or aileron roll
L349[16:39:14] <MichiBot> The King ​of Trains: I'm 40% "aileron roll"!
L350[16:39:43] <The King ​of Trains> guess im barrel rolling then
L351[16:59:27] <Forec​aster> %sip
L352[16:59:27] <MichiBot> You drink a wild copper potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus! It sent a message to all of Forecaster's friends telling them that they love them!
L353[16:59:40] <Forec​aster> Ohno
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L356[17:41:18] <Ar​iri> dequbed: true
L357[17:45:51] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> %sip
L358[17:45:52] <MichiBot> You drink a fiery tomato potion (New!). TheOriginalGolem comes face to face with a basilisk! TheOriginalGolem is turned to stone until they have an apple (11 vs DC 14)
L359[17:47:38] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> %choose open computers or open cumputers
L360[17:47:39] <MichiBot> TheOrigi​nalGolem: Oh no, not "open cumputers" again! I'll have "open computers" instead.
L361[17:47:48] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Good bot
L362[17:47:48] <Vampyre> a golem turning to stone... hmz...
L363[17:48:08] <The King ​of Trains> doesn't basilisk kill though? that's was i remember form harry potter
L364[17:48:16] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Lets try again
L365[17:48:20] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> %sip
L366[17:48:26] <Forec​aster> different kind of basilisk
L367[17:48:28] <The King ​of Trains> vamp what if he's an iron golem
L368[17:48:54] <The King ​of Trains> more breakable
L369[17:48:56] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Or a lava
L370[17:49:13] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Lava to obsidian
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L372[17:49:20] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Geology
L373[17:50:03] <The King ​of Trains> @TheOriginalGolem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mh-TsFCsmk
L374[17:50:04] <MichiBot> Screw you i'm gonna go play minecraft CLIP | length: 13s | Likes: 3,255 Dislikes: 46 Views: 62,215 | by minecraft soft | Published On 24/2/2019
L375[17:52:11] <The King ​of Trains> nah i'm not; not at least until @payonel fixes my prob...
L376[17:52:21] <Vampyre> ah, maybe it's an apple tree golem, that will sort itself out
L377[17:52:45] <Vampyre> although... I guess that would be an ent
L378[17:53:04] <The King ​of Trains> vamp wouldn't the apples turn to stone?
L379[17:53:23] <pay​onel> eh?
L380[17:53:25] <The King ​of Trains> they're attached after all
L381[17:53:28] <Vampyre> a stone apple is still an apple ;-)
L382[17:53:50] <Vampyre> in cavemen times, that's how they did photoshop... stone apples
L383[17:54:19] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Oh yeah, i wanted to ask, can i ask code stuff in this channel, if not then which channel?
L384[17:54:34] <Forec​aster> yes
L385[17:55:14] <The King ​of Trains> photoshop in ussr: https://tinyurl.com/yzz6u3r6
L386[17:55:50] <The King ​of Trains> article https://www.openculture.com/2017/08/long-before-photoshop-the-soviets-mastered-the-art-of-erasing-people-from-photographs-and-history-too.html
L387[17:57:06] <The King ​of Trains> sorry about that @payonel didn't know that worked in mid sentence...
L388[17:57:31] <The King ​of Trains> either way any results?
L389[17:57:51] <pay​onel> sorry doing other things today
L390[17:57:55] <pay​onel> haven't even loaded up your world
L391[17:58:08] <The King ​of Trains> ok take your time...
L392[17:58:11] <pay​onel> test it in a flat creative world, spawn two /oc_sc machines and set it up
L393[17:58:29] <pay​onel> use t2 wireless, see how it gos
L394[17:58:30] <pay​onel> use t2 wireless, see how it goes [Edited]
L395[18:00:19] <Va​ur> %tonk
L396[18:00:19] <MichiBot> Wah! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 2 hours, 57 minutes and 3 seconds (By 2 hours, 14 minutes and 50 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L397[18:00:20] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 5 hours, 11 minutes and 54 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00675 (0.00225 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
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L399[18:03:01] <aprofile> hi
L400[18:03:13] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> %sip
L401[18:03:14] <MichiBot> You drink a hairy citrus potion (New!). TheOriginalGolem sees the sky briefly flash solid dark blue then go back to normal.
L402[18:04:09] <Va​ur> %hi
L403[18:04:26] <aprofile> dead chat
L404[18:04:40] <Va​ur> %hello
L405[18:04:40] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L407[18:05:05] <Va​ur> lol, that was fast
L408[18:05:07] <Forec​aster> sigh
L409[18:05:15] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Oh, i remember what i wanted to ask, how the hell do you get to parts of code to run along side each other? My current solution is really bad, as it has the program split in 2 separate programs, which is not working out great
L410[18:05:48] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Oh, i remember what i wanted to ask, how the hell do you get 2 parts of code to run along side each other? My current solution is really bad, as it has the program split in 2 separate programs, which is not working out great [Edited]
L411[18:06:02] <pay​onel> @TheOriginalGolem well first of all, there is no concurrent code execution in Lua
L412[18:06:17] <Forec​aster> @TheOriginalGolem what are you doing exactly?
L413[18:06:23] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> >pay​onel: <@!302855421897605121> well first of all, there i…
L414[18:06:24] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Damn
L415[18:06:30] <Forec​aster> there are different solutions for different situations
L416[18:06:31] <pay​onel> but besides that, there are multiple options for "paralell" process/function execution in OpenOS
L417[18:07:10] <pay​onel> there are really two options:
L418[18:07:10] <pay​onel> 1. function callbacks on events
L419[18:07:10] <pay​onel> 2. threads
L420[18:07:17] <pay​onel> the other options are really subsets of those two
L421[18:07:38] <pay​onel> (and TECHNICALLY...threads are event driven...so really there is 1...but that's a deep implementation detail)
L422[18:08:38] <pay​onel> events: https://ocdoc.cil.li/api:event
L423[18:08:39] <pay​onel> threads: https://ocdoc.cil.li/api:thread
L424[18:08:51] <pay​onel> personally, i love threads
L425[18:09:04] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> >Forec​aster: there are different solutions for different situa…
L426[18:09:04] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Control panel that needs to do constant adjustments while displaying stuff and accepting user input
L427[18:09:34] <Forec​aster> constant adjustments of what?
L428[18:09:41] <Forec​aster> based on some machine?
L429[18:09:45] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> >pay​onel: personally, i love threads
L430[18:09:45] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> I'll give threads a go, i tried coroutines and those sucked, so I'll try it out
L431[18:09:52] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> >Forec​aster: based on some machine?
L432[18:09:52] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Yes
L433[18:10:03] <pay​onel> @TheOriginalGolem don't do tty i/o on a thread. it'll confuse the ui
L434[18:10:11] <Forec​aster> if that machine has an event you probably want to use that
L435[18:10:12] <pay​onel> well. i mean, don't do tty input
L436[18:10:19] <pay​onel> like, io.read() on tty
L437[18:10:21] <Forec​aster> if not you probably want to use a timer event
L438[18:10:43] <pay​onel> @TheOriginalGolem
L439[18:10:50] <pay​onel> is the user typing input? or mouse input?
L440[18:11:19] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> >pay​onel: is the user typing input? or mouse input?
L441[18:11:19] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Clicking on screen button and dials
L442[18:11:35] <Forec​aster> use event listeners for those too
L443[18:11:38] <Vampyre> sounds more like you want events
L444[18:11:44] <pay​onel> i never got around to rewriting the cursor library stack in the tty code to be robust against threading. i have a solution, but it'll take me quite a lot of time to rewrite that part of openos
L445[18:11:56] <pay​onel> yeah, use events
L446[18:12:02] <Forec​aster> you don't really need threads, just use events :P
L447[18:12:21] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Ok, I'll give it a try
L448[18:12:39] <pay​onel> @TheOriginalGolem in the openos shell ,just run `dmesg` and click with your mouse
L449[18:13:04] <Vampyre> if you are worried about the events taking too long, then just make the events add an event to a global event queue and handle it when you have time in your main loop
L450[18:20:45] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Wait, so event.listen() wont stop other parts from running? Rather pause it when it gets the required signal and then allow normal execution to continue, am i getting that right?
L451[18:21:28] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Wait, so event.listen() wont stop other parts from running? Rather pause it when it gets the required signal, execute its function and then allow normal execution to continue, am i getting that right? [Edited]
L452[18:22:01] <Forec​aster> essentially yes
L453[18:22:38] <Forec​aster> when an event happens, the next time the thread yields it will be able to process an event, then continue
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L455[18:23:11] <Inari> nep
L456[18:23:32] <Inari> Amanda: haha
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L458[18:26:15] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> >Forec​aster: when an event happens, the next time the thread y…
L459[18:26:15] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Just tried it out, and it works for what i need, thanks to all who helped
L460[18:26:28] <Forec​aster> the bill is in the mail
L461[18:28:12] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> Do you accept lua-coin?
L462[18:28:48] <TheOrigi​nalGolem> But seriously, just thinking about it now, it would probably be a nightmare trying to make a crypto in lua
L463[18:29:01] <dequbed> Crypto in Lua has been done
L464[18:29:16] <Forec​aster> I mean, Minecraft already has blocks
L465[18:29:23] <Forec​aster> All you need is a chain
L466[18:29:25] <Vampyre> crypto coins are just crypto, any language can do crypto
L467[18:29:27] <dequbed> Both as in "cryptography" and in "cryptocurrency"
L468[18:29:32] <ThePi​Guy24> 1.16 has chain
L469[18:32:00] <Va​ur> >Forec​aster: All you need is a chain
L470[18:32:00] <Va​ur> minecraft already has chain
L471[18:32:03] <Va​ur> 😄
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L473[18:44:30] <Forec​aster> Oc isn't on 1.16
L474[18:48:38] <Va​ur> hopefully one day ? 🙂
L475[18:54:39] <ThePi​Guy24> someone was working on a port but i dont think they are anymore
L476[19:02:25] <bad at​ vijya> oh god oh fuck why do i hear spanish guitars https://tinyurl.com/yh87jjgm
L477[19:02:57] <ThePi​Guy24> noone expects the spanish inquisition
L478[19:03:58] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yzkdawmp
L479[19:04:20] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/ygely8d3
L480[19:07:54] <B​ob> Anyone using proton with a gaming mouse ? i can't get any games under proton to see the additional mouse buttons
L481[19:09:12] <B​ob> altough it does recognize mousewheel right and left tf?
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L484[20:32:24] <kamr​ay23> not sure if it was this modpack creators idiocy or whether oc is just dumb
L485[20:32:38] <kamr​ay23> but apparently one of the default recipes used "book" as an oredict name
L486[20:32:50] <kamr​ay23> minecraft books by default do not match that
L487[20:33:09] <kamr​ay23> certain other mods have items which do but are usually uncraftable manuals you acquire in some other way
L488[20:33:20] <kamr​ay23> that made crafting the manual literally impossible
L489[20:33:39] <dequbed> Definitely modpack idiocy
L490[20:37:44] <ThePi​Guy24> Izaya: here have a citroen in some anime idk https://www.imcdb.org/i838246.jpg
L491[20:41:12] <ThePi​Guy24> (this image is courtesy of the same serbian (dont think i mentioned this before) friend)
L492[20:42:56] <dequbed> At this point I'm conviced Discord has a god complex. From their privacy statement: "For example, we may collect or share personal data to help resolve an urgent medical situation."
L493[20:43:23] <ThePi​Guy24> "ah yes lets comvince the people we are the good guys"
L494[20:43:46] <bad at​ vijya> yuck
L495[20:43:57] <bad at​ vijya> i really should get on writing my XMPP client
L496[20:45:28] <ThePi​Guy24> that reminds me of my cursed IRC extension antics
L497[20:47:01] <Kristo​pher38> dequbed: looks like they collect e.g. suicide info
L498[20:47:21] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 Looks like they have a god complex.
L499[20:54:31] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L500[20:54:31] <MichiBot> You fling a solid dirt potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda gains the ability to summon safety pins until someone stabs them.
L501[20:54:36] * Inari runs
L502[20:54:44] <Inari> Actually
L503[20:54:46] <Inari> %stab Amanda
L504[20:54:46] <MichiBot> In​ari is trying to stab Ama​nda! They have 1 minute if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
L505[21:04:03] <Amanda> rude!
L506[21:04:10] <Amanda> I was working on switching banks, baka fox
L507[21:04:18] <Ar​iri> dequbed: I think that may based off of precedence, but it's presence and reasoning seem rather arbitrary
L508[21:04:32] <Amanda> dequbed: see, this is why I wanted to use her to calculate terminal velocity!
L509[21:06:34] <Forec​aster> you not going to see if the stab hit? :P
L510[21:06:46] <Amanda> It's been more than a minute.
L511[21:06:56] <Forec​aster> that doesn't work
L512[21:07:04] <Forec​aster> if it did the attack would have hit automatically
L513[21:07:11] <Amanda> %counteratack
L514[21:07:13] <Amanda> %counterattack
L515[21:07:24] <Forec​aster> it just sits in the queue I think
L516[21:07:25] <Amanda> %counter
L517[21:07:36] <Forec​aster> %alias defend
L518[21:07:36] <Amanda> %defend
L519[21:07:36] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Invalid arguments. %defend Action:string [Item:string]
L520[21:07:37] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: 'defend' aliases: [block, guard, deflect, parry, counterspell, dodge]
L521[21:07:44] <Amanda> %counterspell
L522[21:07:45] <MichiBot> Amanda failed to counterspell Inari wielding imperialism. With a 7 vs 12 Amanda takes the full 3 damage.
L523[21:07:53] <Amanda> rude!
L524[21:08:38] <Amanda> Inari's imperalistic expansion must be stopped!
L525[21:09:27] <dequbed> @Ariri It's Discord. Data collection for personal enrichment go brrrrrrr
L526[21:14:04] <Ar​iri> Of course, but this specifically was phrased based on a prior event, I think
L527[21:16:20] <Amanda> Welcome to america, where you only have rights if you're either too rich or too poor to be sued!
L528[21:18:56] <dequbed> Amanda: Also yes I understand but still foxes are friends
L529[21:25:21] <Amanda> so if she's not a fox, I can do science with her?
L530[21:25:31] <Amanda> %splash Inari with mutable redstone potion
L531[21:25:31] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable redstone potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari turns into a rainbow frog girl until someone stabs them.
L532[21:26:30] <Inari> Amanda: rude
L533[21:29:13] <t20kdc> Inari: so, question of the present potion effect, do you prefer being a rainbow-frog-girl or being stabbed...
L534[21:30:21] <Inari> just stab me with something that doesn't hurt
L535[21:30:37] * dequbed stabs Inari with a shark plushy
L536[21:30:47] <Inari> :p
L537[21:34:03] <bad at​ vijya> man
L538[21:34:09] <bad at​ vijya> it's so nice what you can do with only CSS
L539[21:34:28] <ThePi​Guy24> no its horrifying
L540[21:34:43] <bad at​ vijya> oh i meant with the `:hover` selector
L541[21:34:52] <bad at​ vijya> i mean animations are really cool too
L542[21:34:52] <bad at​ vijya> but
L543[21:34:55] <ThePi​Guy24> hover is alright
L544[21:34:57] <ThePi​Guy24> just
L545[21:35:00] <bad at​ vijya> i only used them once
L546[21:35:15] <bad at​ vijya> i used hover to expand images when you mouse over them on my imageboard
L547[21:35:20] <ThePi​Guy24> js exists for a reason
L548[21:35:35] <bad at​ vijya> >js exists for a reason
L549[21:35:42] <bad at​ vijya> imagine forcing users to run JS
L550[21:36:06] <Amanda> and that reason is NEtscapeNavagator wanted to have simple interations possible without involving Java Applets
L551[21:36:07] <bad at​ vijya> also combining SVGs and CSS gets you really wacky stuff
L552[21:36:16] <ThePi​Guy24> go ahead, try using any website with js disabled
L553[21:36:21] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yh58xmf9
L554[21:36:40] <bad at​ vijya> i'm making a website though @ThePiGuy24
L555[21:36:42] <ThePi​Guy24> that blur effect messes with my eyes
L556[21:36:54] <bad at​ vijya> lmao
L557[21:36:56] <ThePi​Guy24> keeps trying to make them refocus
L558[21:37:04] <bad at​ vijya> i don't need JS for what i'm doing
L559[21:37:47] <Vampyre> we don't need JS where we're going... hell probably...
L560[21:38:06] <bad at​ vijya> It works extremely well without it https://tinyurl.com/ygv7bwwb
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L563[21:50:18] <Inari> Yeah, tons of sites these days require JS
L564[21:50:56] <Inari> @"bad at vijya" at some point I'll have to ask why people like CSS but hate on JS
L565[21:52:02] <Inari> CSS keeps getting more convluted and complicated, CSS files aren't exactly small either, the layouting engine isn't free computation-wise, and if you try to do stuff in CSS only without JS it can get big and laggy pretty fast
L566[21:52:56] <Ocawes​ome101> perhaps you could say it's seen a... cascade of features?
L567[21:54:52] <bad at​ vijya> 👀 it even looks good in elinks https://tinyurl.com/yjpnmdhl
L568[21:55:27] <bad at​ vijya> Inari: well, i also keep a lot of my CSS pretty minimal
L569[21:55:46] <bad at​ vijya> the most intensive thing i have is a funny glow filter and the logo animation
L570[21:56:05] <Izaya> if it were saner I'd say CSS isn't turing complete but JS is
L571[21:56:17] <Izaya> alas, CSS+HTML5 is turing complete
L572[21:56:30] <Kristo​pher38> people like CSS?
L573[21:56:37] <Inari> and being turing complete is bad?
L574[21:57:44] <Izaya> for stuff you evaluate unchecked from remote untrusted sources, it doesn't help
L575[21:59:08] <Ocawes​ome101> for things like animations CSS is IMO at least easier than JS
L576[22:01:52] <bad at​ vijya> god https://tinyurl.com/ygc5e6k3
L577[22:01:57] <bad at​ vijya> fixed the alignment issue and it looks so fuckin good
L578[22:02:01] <bad at​ vijya> in elinks
L579[22:08:41] <bad at​ vijya> 👀 https://tinyurl.com/yk6sa69t
L580[22:09:14] <Inari> "Porn"
L581[22:10:03] <ThePi​Guy24> always gotta have a porn category
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L583[22:14:15] <bad at​ vijya> yea yea
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L587[23:13:18] <t20kdc> the thing is
L588[23:13:25] <t20kdc> and I realize this may seem like a terrible take
L589[23:13:34] <t20kdc> we should have had either CSS or JS
L590[23:14:31] <t20kdc> instead, browsers get an ever-expanding set of layout features to cover increasingly specific layout cases,
L591[23:14:46] <t20kdc> while also including a JS engine that can perform any computation needed to implement any given layout feature, but isn't allowed to actually implement that.
L592[23:15:07] <t20kdc> to me, this seems stupid.
L593[23:19:51] <t20kdc> meanwhile, CSS+HTML5 may be turing complete but it's not actually capable of using that turing-completeness in meaningful ways to implement layout features sanely
L594[23:20:19] <t20kdc> instead, it relies on dedicated browser-level code for each individual layout feature
L595[23:21:16] <t20kdc> this approach is surprisingly scalable if you allow there to only ever be, like, two meaningful browser vendors
L596[23:23:54] <t20kdc> basically, what I'm saying is, in retrospect, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the universe if interactive web-apps had been based entirely on scriptable SVG.
L597[23:24:17] <t20kdc> it would have made a lot more sense than what actually happened.
L598[23:29:42] <t20kdc> so to summarize, the problem with CSS is that you need an encyclopedic knowledge of CSS in order to use it because it can't meaningfully implement everything in the universe (arguably nor should it be expected to).
L599[23:30:28] <t20kdc> but the problem is, it tries to, not via extensibility, but by case-specific properties layered within case-specific properties
L600[23:32:51] <t20kdc> you'd think flexbox would be the exception, but then of course flexbox has it's own distinct architectural model of how things work (a linear list, wrapping, etc.) -
L601[23:32:54] <The King ​of Trains> % stab MichiBot
L602[23:33:14] <t20kdc> so of course then someone thinks "but what about anything remotely resembling a table or grid" and now CSS Grid is a thing
L603[23:33:20] <The King ​of Trains> %stab MichiBot
L604[23:33:22] * MichiBot uses a book titled "THe King in Yellow" to vaporize The King ​of Trains who takes [7,5,8,8,6,6,2,3,2,9] damage. The book titled "THe King in Yellow" was suddenly outlawed and confiscated by the MIB.
L605[23:34:15] <t20kdc> now, CSS Grid and CSS Flexbox are improvements on how other parts of CSS do things because they are more or less comprehensible by a human being
L606[23:34:36] <The King ​of Trains> i guess you can't satb Michibot
L607[23:34:52] <The King ​of Trains> i guess you can't stab Michibot [Edited]
L608[23:35:00] <t20kdc> and why would you try.
L609[23:35:24] <Train​fan91> Cuz AI Is HERESY!
L610[23:35:39] <t20kdc> well since MichiBot ain't AI, you don't have to worry about that
L611[23:35:40] <Train​fan91> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZg1c3BAjbk
L612[23:35:41] <MichiBot> HERESY! Alarm | length: 45s | Likes: 1,985 Dislikes: 17 Views: 125,107 | by Gunner | Published On 12/4/2013
L613[23:36:42] <Train​fan91> well it isn't a servitor or techpriest either...
L614[23:36:57] <Train​fan91> or skitarri...
L615[23:37:09] <t20kdc> you have a very limited set of classifications.
L616[23:37:24] <Train​fan91> 40k rules bro
L617[23:38:47] <Izaya> 40k a shit
L618[23:39:04] <Izaya> no fun allowed: the TTRPG
L619[23:39:33] <Train​fan91> UNLESS some part of it is organic in nature, it is an ai and therefore HERESEY!!!!!!!
L620[23:39:48] <t20kdc> Trainfan91: your computer is heresy
L621[23:40:44] <Train​fan91> t20kdc computers are terminals and controlled by humans; therefore are the execption...
L622[23:40:59] <Izaya> MichiBot is running on a computer
L623[23:41:35] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: turns out vichan api compat was harder than i thought it was
L624[23:41:45] <bad at​ vijya> i guess that'll be a big TODO™️ moment
L625[23:42:07] <Train​fan91> but she can react on her own; therefore abominable intellience...
L626[23:42:18] <Train​fan91> but she can react on her own; therefore abominable intelligence... [Edited]
L627[23:42:49] <t20kdc> to commands expressly given by humans.
L628[23:42:51] <ThePi​Guy24> %stab MichiВot
L629[23:42:51] <MichiBot> ThePi​Guy24 is trying to stab MichiВot! They have 1 minute if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
L630[23:43:46] <Train​fan91> thank you! now let's see if it follows the 3 laws...
L631[23:45:53] <t20kdc> I could give you a formal explaination on how to define just about any computer that isn't designed to harm people as following the 3 laws, but I won't.
L632[23:45:55] <Train​fan91> michibot must be exterminatus'd
L633[23:46:14] <t20kdc> An Exterminatus is planet-wide as far as I am aware.
L634[23:46:14] <Izaya> @Trainfan91
L635[23:46:21] <Vampyre> what's your bef against AI anyway?
L636[23:46:23] <Izaya> there you go, your computer reacted on its own
L637[23:46:26] <Vampyre> beef*
L638[23:46:32] <Izaya> now uninstall discord
L639[23:46:42] <t20kdc> Vampyre: Overadherence to Warhammer 40k as far as I understand it.
L640[23:46:51] <Vampyre> aaah
L641[23:47:01] <Vampyre> ok, something I know nothing about, so nm ;-)
L642[23:47:32] <Train​fan91> terminators for starters; don't forget necrons...
L643[23:47:41] <M​GR> :squint:
L644[23:47:48] <Izaya> Vampyre: imagine terminator but more depressing and without the happy bit at the end of the movies
L645[23:47:50] <M​GR> Terminators aren't AI
L646[23:48:04] <M​GR> At least not in 40K
L647[23:48:05] * t20kdc grabs a bucket of popcorn
L648[23:48:07] <Vampyre> in victorian tmes people were afraid of cars and all the new tech...
L649[23:48:12] <Vampyre> are you a luddite?
L650[23:49:11] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: anyways, i found a fun bug in old luna iterations
L651[23:49:17] <bad at​ vijya> turns out you could post to locked threads
L652[23:49:21] <bad at​ vijya> lmao
L653[23:49:39] <Train​fan91> no, im JUST seeing the worst-case scenario... look at the end of mm legends 2 for that
L654[23:50:01] <bad at​ vijya> i never had any sort of check to see if the thread was locked before adding to it
L655[23:50:18] <bad at​ vijya> anyways, that's fixed now and i'm also making sure that you can't post on boards that don't exist
L656[23:50:20] <bad at​ vijya> as funny as it would be
L657[23:50:59] <Train​fan91> MEGA MAN the ONE robot meant to act as a "savior of mankind" killed all humans at the end of that game...
L658[23:51:07] <Vampyre> the worst case scenario of getting into an airplane is crashing, will you never fly?
L659[23:51:32] <t20kdc> the worst case scenario of laughing is you accidentally choke on your spit. I would not recommend watching anything comedic.
L660[23:51:41] <Train​fan91> i have never flown; check
L661[23:51:50] <Vampyre> heh, even better ;-)
L662[23:52:03] <Vampyre> have you ever lauched?
L663[23:52:08] <Vampyre> laughed*
L664[23:53:06] <Train​fan91> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHBQaowGAHg watch this; it'll explain what i'm fearing...
L665[23:53:06] <MichiBot> Game Theory: How Mega Man DOOMED Humanity! | length: 15m 54s | Likes: 153,546 Dislikes: 2,688 Views: 4,143,281 | by The Game Theorists | Published On 5/7/2020
L666[23:54:06] <t20kdc> I'm sorry, I can't - the worst case scenario about that video is that I actually find it funny, and die as a result.
L667[23:54:35] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya: I like that idea
L668[23:54:52] <t20kdc> Really, though, generalizing from fictional evidence about generalized AIs and applying it to a bot that is about as close to AI as a chess computer is not advisable.
L669[23:55:30] <Vampyre> you should be more afraid of aliens destroying the universe, not earth born AI :-p
L670[23:56:01] <Izaya> especially if the fiction you're generalising is of the No Fun Allowed, Depression Is Mandatory variety
L671[23:56:19] <bad at​ vijya> gAmE tHeOrY
L672[23:56:41] <Train​fan91> i think ailens would be the space commies; like tau...
L673[23:56:42] <t20kdc> Izaya: You seem too smug. You are in violation of emotional restrictions. Take your Prozium II.
L674[23:56:42] <bad at​ vijya> anyways
L675[23:56:57] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: i'm totally gonna have joke hidden boards
L676[23:57:06] <Izaya> literal cold war hysteria
L677[23:58:04] <Train​fan91> no i mean the marxist communist not stalinism
L678[23:58:38] <t20kdc> I was referring to what Izaya was saying in regards to "Depression Is Mandatory".
L679[23:59:16] <t20kdc> Or did you mean in regards to "literal cold war hysteria"?
L680[23:59:20] <t20kdc> I'm confused at this point.
L681[23:59:20] <Train​fan91> and i was refering to izaya
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