L1[00:01:27] <Amanda> also I feel like there
has to be a batter way to do these String consturctions than
`"string literal".to_string()`
L2[00:01:43] <Amanda> better*
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<20kdc>
time to add to the list of innovations other people have gotten to
first: "system log terminal window via syslog
event"
<20kdc>
time to add to the list of innovations other people have gotten to
first: "system log terminal window via syslog
event"L8[01:39:09] <Izaya> isn't that in most
unix-likes?
L9[01:42:04] <20kdc>
...what on earth is neoex
<20kdc>
...what on earth is neoexL10[01:42:39] <20kdc>
excuse me I need to go dig through some stuff, I don't think
Windows naming is in 20kdc standards, brb
<20kdc>
excuse me I need to go dig through some stuff, I don't think
Windows naming is in 20kdc standards, brbL11[01:43:01] <20kdc>
wait, no, answer is because it's not 20kdc code
<20kdc>
wait, no, answer is because it's not 20kdc codeL12[01:45:47] <20kdc>
anyway, this just reaffirms that I need to never ever break
KittenOS NEO compatibility
<20kdc>
anyway, this just reaffirms that I need to never ever break
KittenOS NEO compatibilityL13[01:49:28] <Vaur>
%tonkout
<Vaur>
%tonkoutL14[01:49:28] <MichiBot> Awesome! Vaur!
You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 13 minutes and 51
seconds (By 1 hour, 16 minutes and 43 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L15[01:49:29] <MichiBot> Vaur has tonked
out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006
bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.07156255,
Position #1
L16[01:53:35] <Amanda> @20kdc wait, didn't
I do something like that in my oc repo?
L17[01:54:05] <20kdc>
Cats count as "other people", right?
<20kdc>
Cats count as "other people", right?L18[01:54:18] <Amanda> :P
L19[01:54:46] <Amanda> I wasn't sure if you
were talking about mine,I suspected as much from "neoex"
though -- I'm shit at naming, just s/ui/ex/ -- neo
extensions!
L20[01:55:18] <Amanda> You're welcome to
yoink the app-t-syslog if you'd like
L21[01:55:37] <Amanda> I just needed it
forsomething or other when working with the rest of my abomination
of code
L22[01:56:22] <20kdc>
nah, I won't yoink it
<20kdc>
nah, I won't yoink itL23[01:56:32] <20kdc>
good to see that event works as intended though
<20kdc>
good to see that event works as intended thoughL24[01:57:12] <Amanda> I think elsewhee in
my mess of code I have one that will spit the events out over
minitel using Izaya's syslog format
L25[01:57:56] <Amanda> let's see
L26[01:59:43] <Amanda> hm, guess not
L27[02:00:05] <Amanda> at least that's the
only file containing an instance of
"_kosneo_syslog"
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/499989250494955531/841090061650231336/unknown.png
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L32[03:07:20] *
Amanda tucks in around Elfi, zzzmews
L33[03:07:27] <Amanda> Night nerds
L34[03:26:05] <Amanda> %remindme 8h epubify
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/38682/of-men-and-dragons
L35[03:26:07] <MichiBot> I'll tell you
"epubify https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/38682/of-men-and-dragons"
in 8h at 05/10/2021 11:26:05 AM
L36[03:26:30] *
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L38[04:22:10] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L39[04:22:11] <MichiBot> Hooray!
CompanionCube! You beat Vaur's previous record of <0 (By 2
hours, 32 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L40[04:22:12] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's
new record is 2 hours, 32 minutes and 41 seconds! CompanionCube
also gained 0.00254 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2.
Need 0.05507155 more points to pass Vaur!
L41[05:09:49] <Ariri> Izaya, ordered that
lenovo ultrabook thingo and going to toss Linux on it, any advice
on software or script stuff I should download/make or anything of
the sort
L42[05:18:16] <bad at
vijya> install gentoo /s
<bad at
vijya> install gentoo /sL43[05:32:02] <Saghetti>
genthree
<Saghetti>
genthreeL44[06:05:21] ⇦
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L45[06:08:22] <bad at
vijya> i love when i'm the only person playing the objective in
a game
<bad at
vijya> i love when i'm the only person playing the objective in
a gameL46[06:17:40] <Izaya> Ariri: krira
L47[06:17:43] <Izaya> krita*
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L50[06:24:39] <Blue_595>
>20kdc: Cats count as "other people", right?
<Blue_595>
>20kdc: Cats count as "other people", right?L51[06:24:39] <Blue_595>
yes
<Blue_595>
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L55[08:49:18] <CompanionCube>
%tonkout
L56[08:49:19] <MichiBot> Yippee!
CompanionCube! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 32
minutes and 41 seconds (By 1 hour, 54 minutes and 26 seconds)! I
hope you're happy!
L57[08:49:20] <MichiBot> CompanionCube has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points!
plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
1.026491, Position #2 Need 0.04507155 more points to pass
Vaur!
L58[08:56:24] <Bob>
>Amanda: also I feel like there has to be a b…
<Bob>
>Amanda: also I feel like there has to be a b…L59[08:56:24] <Bob>
Amanda: Re &str into String, there isn't sadly iirc, but with
the lots of string clonning there was, im quite sure you could just
have used a string slice in the first place, as you can always
build a String from a slice
<Bob>
Amanda: Re &str into String, there isn't sadly iirc, but with
the lots of string clonning there was, im quite sure you could just
have used a string slice in the first place, as you can always
build a String from a sliceL60[09:13:33] <nil>
%tonk
<nil>
%tonkL61[09:13:33] <MichiBot> Golly! nil! You
beat CompanionCube's previous record of <0 (By 24 minutes and
14 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L62[09:13:34] <MichiBot> nil's new record
is 24 minutes and 14 seconds! nil also gained 0.0004 tonk points
for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.44662939 more points to
pass Forecaster!
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L70[11:17:22] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya: very
nice
L71[11:17:43] <Izaya> though I'd suggest
some sort of dividing line there
L72[11:17:55] <Izaya> maybe style it to
look like |s?
L73[11:26:06] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER:
epubify https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/38682/of-men-and-dragons
L74[11:38:57] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL75[11:38:58] <MichiBot> Yikes! Vaur! You
beat nil's previous record of 24 minutes and 14 seconds (By 2
hours, 1 minute and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L76[11:38:59] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record
is 2 hours, 25 minutes and 24 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00202
tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L77[11:43:28] <Llamato>
For anyone interested in an update. My SimpleComponent block is
still not working. I noticed that my recipes also don't work. I'm
not sure if those two problems are related or not. I think I might
need more general modding help then OpenComputers help
specifically.
<Llamato>
For anyone interested in an update. My SimpleComponent block is
still not working. I noticed that my recipes also don't work. I'm
not sure if those two problems are related or not. I think I might
need more general modding help then OpenComputers help
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L80[12:17:54] <Llamato> I
also just noticed that my mcmod.info file is not being read
correctly.
<Llamato> I
also just noticed that my mcmod.info file is not being read
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L86[14:24:22] <kinkinkijkin> i can't figure
out how to build openpython's latest commit for my server so im
porting the OS on it to the older ver of openpython on curse
L87[14:25:22] <kinkinkijkin> yes i tried
the gradle wrapper, didn't work no matter which ver of gradle i
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L89[14:33:35] <Elfi> Oof, what a pain
L90[14:33:45] <Elfi> Do they not have their
own CIs even?
L91[14:46:58] <dequbed> %remindme 3h Check
Amanda's Rust code snippet
L92[14:46:58] <MichiBot> I'll tell you
"Check Amanda's Rust code snippet" in 3h at 05/10/2021
05:46:58 PM
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L94[15:06:05] <kinkinkijkin> elfi, the
entire mod is abandoned
L95[15:06:26] <kinkinkijkin> developer
unfortunately didn't have the time to put in the work on it
needed
L96[15:06:53] <kinkinkijkin> the latest
commit is from late 2019 and the repo is archived
L97[15:23:22] <Elfi> Ah, that's too
bad
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L102[15:44:13] <MGR>
%bye
<MGR>
%byeL103[15:44:13] <MichiBot> Oh, well, bye I
guess...
L104[16:08:28] <Vaur>
%tonkout
<Vaur>
%tonkoutL105[16:08:29] <MichiBot> Geez! Vaur! You
beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 25 minutes and 24 seconds
(By 2 hours, 4 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L106[16:08:30] <MichiBot> Vaur has tonked
out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006
bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.08358255,
Position #1
L107[16:30:24] <nil>
%tonk
<nil>
%tonkL108[16:30:25] <MichiBot> Yippee! nil!
You beat Vaur's previous record of <0 (By 21 minutes and 55
seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L109[16:30:26] <MichiBot> nil's new record
is 21 minutes and 55 seconds! nil also gained 0.00037 tonk points
for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.44625939 more points to
pass Forecaster!
L110[17:46:59] <MichiBot> dequbed
REMINDER: Check Amanda's Rust code snippet
L111[18:05:46] <Bob>
👀
<Bob>
👀L112[18:09:36] <kamray23>
so uhh
<kamray23>
so uhhL113[18:09:48] <kamray23>
whats the deal with oc
<kamray23>
whats the deal with ocL114[18:10:14] <Katie> What's the deal
with airline food?
L115[18:10:39] <kamray23>
like
<kamray23>
likeL116[18:10:48] <kamray23>
is this thing still being developed by anyone or is it just
like
<kamray23>
is this thing still being developed by anyone or is it just
likeL117[18:10:52] <kamray23>
dead in the water
<kamray23>
dead in the waterL118[18:11:04] <dequbed> Katie: Something
something tastebuts something altidude something just shitty food
;P
L119[18:11:15] <kamray23>
i saw an oc2 in development and a fork of oc for 1.16
<kamray23>
i saw an oc2 in development and a fork of oc for 1.16L120[18:12:16]
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L121[18:12:32] <Katie> payonel doesn't
have a lot of free time, and there aren't huge problems that
require fixing. No one has stepped up to do a port to 1.13 or later
and finished it.
L122[18:12:32] <kamray23> so its irc and
discord put together
L123[18:12:36] <kamray23> that's
interesting
L124[18:12:37] <dequbed> Well yes, OC is
not seeing the amount of time put into it than it used to. OC2 is
the worst named mod around, it has nothing to do with OC. The 1.16
forks are by two or three people that want to see OC in 1.16
L125[18:13:07] <kamray23> alright that's
understandable
L126[18:13:15] <kamray23> enough
L127[18:13:26] <Forecaster> at least it tells you it's a
computer mod
<Forecaster> at least it tells you it's a
computer modL128[18:13:33] <kamray23> i mean it's not
an ideal situation really
L129[18:13:35] <Forecaster> there are mods with worse
names
<Forecaster> there are mods with worse
namesL130[18:13:44] <kamray23>
yeah there are
<kamray23>
yeah there areL131[18:13:56] <kamray23>
also i can talk in two places at one in one place
<kamray23>
also i can talk in two places at one in one placeL132[18:13:58] <kamray23>
this is amazing
<kamray23>
this is amazingL133[18:14:01] <kamray23> oooooo
L134[18:14:20] <dequbed> Around the OC
ecosystem it's currently linked to Forecaster. It's of course not
the worst named mod of all mods ever. -.-
L135[18:15:28] <kamray23> oc2?
L136[18:16:07] <kamray23> it looks a lot
like a clone of oc from scratch from what i can see from skimming
the repo
L137[18:16:17] <kamray23> but it's
obviously not and it's unfinished
L138[18:16:36] <dequbed> It's by the same
person that made OC and it's a completely different mod around the
RISC-V ISA instead of Lua.
L139[18:16:46] <kamray23> ah but that
might be more fun
L140[18:16:48] <Katie> OC2's only
similarity with OC is "OC"
L141[18:17:10] <kamray23> i've been
wondering if any of those 1.16 ports will ever be made official or
not
L142[18:17:20] <kamray23> since people
seem to have already gone through the trouble to do that
L143[18:17:22] <dequbed> It's not the
second iteration of OC, it's not the next stage of development of
OC. It's a separate mod, independent of OC in all but name
L144[18:17:40] <Katie> AFAIK, none of the
1.16 ports ACTUALLY work
L145[18:17:47] <Katie> Unless that's
changed since I last checked
L146[18:18:23] <Ocawesome101> the one that's gotten
furthest got given up on at OpenGL screen rendering iirc
<Ocawesome101> the one that's gotten
furthest got given up on at OpenGL screen rendering iircL147[18:18:36] <kamray23> hmm
L148[18:18:37] <kamray23> that's
like
L149[18:18:46] <kamray23> ehhhh
L150[18:19:16] <kamray23> i just wanted to
implement a lisp machine architechture but since ive last looked at
the mod its like
L151[18:19:23] <kamray23> degenerated into
a state of
L152[18:19:30] <kamray23> not
alive-ness
L153[18:19:36] <kamray23> surprisingly
lively IRC though
L154[18:19:50] <dequbed> Which stops you
from adding a LISP architecture ... how exactly? o.O
L155[18:20:19] <kamray23> well i was
wondering if there were newer versions than 1.12 at first because i
can't get TE to work properly on 1.12.2 for some reason
L156[18:20:23] <kamray23> maybe i messed
something up
L157[18:20:33] <Ocawesome101> TE -> Thermal
Expansion?
<Ocawesome101> TE -> Thermal
Expansion?L158[18:20:35] <kamray23> also i have *no*
idea how to make new architechtures
L159[18:20:37] <kamray23> oh yeah
L160[18:20:39] <kamray23> yeah it is
L161[18:20:48] <Ocawesome101> works fine for me
<Ocawesome101> works fine for meL162[18:21:12] <kamray23> i have like a
vague idea from trying it once years ago but at this point i'm
entirely lost
L163[18:21:18] <kamray23> and the wiki is
less than helpful
L164[18:21:39] <dequbed> Oh yeah best
documentation is the code in that regard
L165[18:21:44] <kamray23> why lisp?
because it is the easiest thing to implement
L166[18:21:48] <kamray23> yeah im skimming
oc-js rn
L167[18:22:26] <dequbed> Don't worry,
nobody is questioning the choice of language, if anything we're
questioning why you haven't done it yet :P
L168[18:22:42] <kamray23> honestly i'm a
bit dumbfounded as to why LISP wasn't the obvious choice
L169[18:23:01] <dequbed> Because Lua is
easier to learn for non-programmers
L170[18:23:03] <kamray23> i mean god
RISC-V is a sexy architechture in one regard and i can respect OC2
for trying to go with it
L171[18:23:06] <kamray23> i guess?
L172[18:23:12] <kamray23> but LISP is
just
L173[18:23:17] <kamray23> almost always
better
L174[18:23:20] <kamray23> better looking
anyway
L175[18:23:20] <dequbed> Nah
L176[18:23:51] <Ocawesome101> i've been doing a little
bit of lisp recently
<Ocawesome101> i've been doing a little
bit of lisp recentlyL177[18:23:53] <kamray23> anyone here made
addons to oc?
L178[18:24:26] <kamray23> i get the
general idea but i have no idea on exactly how i should create a
project for myself since that's always the problem for me
L179[18:24:47] <kamray23> i decide to do a
java project up until i run into eclipse's project creation widget
and give up
L180[18:25:05] <Ocawesome101> simple, use gradle and vim
instead :^)
<Ocawesome101> simple, use gradle and vim
instead :^)L181[18:25:34] <kamray23> oh yeah
L182[18:25:37] <kamray23> i should use
vim
L183[18:25:43] <kamray23> no experience
with gradle though i'll look into that
L184[18:25:48] <dequbed> kamray23: Also
OC2 was a means to an end. Snagar wanted to learn RISC-V so he
wrote an interpreter and a mod to test the interpreter. He didn't
think of the mod first. Same story for Scala and OC kinda :P
L185[18:26:10] <kamray23> i mean many
projects are means to an end
L186[18:26:18] <kamray23> i wrote a todo
plugin to learn vimscript
L187[18:26:40] <kamray23> and i wrote an
os kernel to learn x86
L188[18:26:52] <kamray23> but god java is
scary
L189[18:27:08] <dequbed> Use Scala then.
Or Kotlin :P
L190[18:27:17] <kamray23> well i've been
thinking about that
L191[18:29:15] <kamray23> if i'd have to
choose a language to use with java it'd have to be kotlin
though
L192[18:29:40] <kamray23> since it's not
there to mess things up but to be a better java
L193[18:29:43] <kamray23> i think?
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L195[18:30:10] <dequbed> "better
Java" aren't the words I'd use
L196[18:30:51] <kamray23> morjens
L197[18:30:55] <kamray23> eh i guess
L198[18:31:03] <kamray23> i'd say it's
better java because i find java to be disgusting
L199[18:31:14] <kamray23> scala just seems
like a whole different beast
L200[18:31:25] <kamray23> however i do
like haskell
L201[18:31:28] <kamray23> sooooo
L202[18:32:21] <dequbed> Personal
preference aside, Kotlin doesn't try to "be a better
Java" simply because Kotlin doesn't try to be Java in the
first place.
L203[18:32:50] <dequbed> The same way
Scala doesn't try to be a "better Java" and F# doesn't
try to "be a better C#"
L204[18:33:08] <kamray23> well Kotlin just
is a better java though
L205[18:33:19] <dequbed> How so?
L206[18:34:48] <kamray23> well firstly i
enjoy the syntax immensely
L207[18:34:52] <kamray23> reminds me a lot
of rust
L208[18:35:12] <kamray23> it also just has
a lot of that syntactic sugar you expect from modern
languages
L209[18:35:22] <kamray23> functional
programming not being an afterthought is very nice
L210[18:35:32] <dequbed> So Kotlin is
"a better Java" because you like it more. Got it.
L211[18:35:37] <kamray23> yeah
L212[18:36:05] <kamray23> it's a better
java because it's better suited to modern development
L213[18:36:21] <Bob> its
made by jetbrains
<Bob> its
made by jetbrainsL214[18:36:28] <kamray23> with all of its
syntactic sugar and losing the try-catch spam and all of that
L215[18:36:28] <Bob> the
pioneers of IntelliJ
<Bob> the
pioneers of IntelliJL216[18:36:39] <Bob> ofc
they'd just see how fucking bad Java is with time and make a better
lang
<Bob> ofc
they'd just see how fucking bad Java is with time and make a better
langL217[18:36:52] <kamray23> and i mean i
don't even really like jetbrains
L218[18:36:56] <kamray23> i think they're
kinda dumb
L219[18:37:08] <kamray23> i use eclipse
usually for a reason when i don't have anything better
L220[18:37:12] <kamray23> it's free
L221[18:37:29] <kamray23> and not like
free as in beer but free as in freedom
L222[18:37:52] <kamray23> idea is free
under apache 2.0 for the free version i believe?
L223[18:37:52] <dequbed> "i think
they're kinda dumb" is an interesting take on JetBrains.
L224[18:38:10] <kamray23> well i mean i
don't like large corporations is the point
L225[18:38:23] <kamray23> it's very nice
that they use their resources to contribute to free projects
L226[18:38:54] <Bob>
bruh
<Bob>
bruhL227[18:38:58] <Bob>
that's insulting lol
<Bob>
that's insulting lolL228[18:39:02] <Bob>
IntelliJ community is free
<Bob>
IntelliJ community is freeL229[18:39:13] <Bob> and
Ultimate is really only needed if you need heavy integration into
big Java libraries
<Bob> and
Ultimate is really only needed if you need heavy integration into
big Java librariesL230[18:39:18] <kamray23> it is yeah
L231[18:39:20] <Bob> you
wont ever need spring or what not for MC modding
<Bob> you
wont ever need spring or what not for MC moddingL232[18:39:33] <kamray23> but it's missing
a lot of what you'd like for larger projects
L233[18:39:33] <Bob> and
they provide student licenses
<Bob> and
they provide student licensesL234[18:39:39] <Bob> how
so tho
<Bob> how
so thoL235[18:39:58] <kamray23> many languages
are only available on community through community plugins
L236[18:40:05] <kamray23> not that it
matters when you have a strong community
L237[18:40:16] <Bob> yeah
its rather big
<Bob> yeah
its rather bigL238[18:40:23] <Bob> i use
the Rust plugin on CLion and its flawless if i might say
<Bob> i use
the Rust plugin on CLion and its flawless if i might sayL239[18:40:26] <Bob> i use
the Rust plugin on CLion and its flawless if i might say so
[Edited]
<Bob> i use
the Rust plugin on CLion and its flawless if i might say so
[Edited]L240[18:40:31] <kamray23> it's also rather
bloated
L241[18:40:36] <dequbed> kamray23: To be a
bit blunt have you considered that a) you're not all that well
informed b) somewhat out of your depth in a channel like this
filled with Kernel devs, compiler engineers and software engineers
decades your senior? :)
L242[18:40:56] <Forecaster> I use plugins for languages
in Ultimate
<Forecaster> I use plugins for languages
in UltimateL243[18:41:03] <kamray23> i mean i have a
decade of experience as well
L244[18:41:06] <Bob>
wouldn't call myself a senior but i do code for the 4th year
now
<Bob>
wouldn't call myself a senior but i do code for the 4th year
nowL245[18:41:10] <Bob>
plugins are always nice
<Bob>
plugins are always niceL246[18:41:11] <Forecaster> it doesn't get more languages
than community
<Forecaster> it doesn't get more languages
than communityL247[18:41:15] <Bob>
ultimate or not
<Bob>
ultimate or notL248[18:41:26] <Bob>
IntelliJ ultimate is just more Java centered features by
Jetbrains
<Bob>
IntelliJ ultimate is just more Java centered features by
JetbrainsL249[18:41:28] <Bob> you
can always use plugins yes
<Bob> you
can always use plugins yesL250[18:41:29] <Forecaster> at least not the ones I
use
<Forecaster> at least not the ones I
useL251[18:41:56] <kamray23> im just saying i
don't like jetbrains as i don't like the idea of creating a giant
piece of "do-it-all" software and then locking half the
features behind a paywall
L252[18:42:05] <kamray23> the good thing
is that their community edition is free software
L253[18:42:07] <Ariri> Izaya, is my
understanding of Krita being more towards illustration than GIMP
correct?
L254[18:42:08] <Ocawesome101> my projects are small
enough that i just use shell scripts and Vim for development
<Ocawesome101> my projects are small
enough that i just use shell scripts and Vim for developmentL255[18:42:12] <kamray23> under a
permissive license but yeah
L256[18:42:14] <kamray23> yeah vim is
good
L257[18:42:16] <kamray23> i like vim
L258[18:42:21] <Ocawesome101> gimp is manipulation, krita
is art
<Ocawesome101> gimp is manipulation, krita
is artL259[18:42:25] <Ocawesome101> more or less
<Ocawesome101> more or lessL260[18:42:25] <kamray23> no bloat, only
does what i want it to do
L261[18:42:29] <kamray23> absolutely
L262[18:42:32] <Ariri> I see
L263[18:42:36] <Bob> i use
Notepad++ for Lua and always had
<Bob> i use
Notepad++ for Lua and always hadL264[18:42:43] <dequbed> Ariri: Yeah,
Krita is more focused on drawing than gimp which has better tooling
for image manip. Both can do both however.
L265[18:42:48] <kamray23> np++ is nice but
i really enjoy vim
L266[18:42:50] <kamray23> it's just
L267[18:42:52] <Bob>
small, fast and very nice feature set
<Bob>
small, fast and very nice feature setL268[18:42:53] <kamray23> the best text
editor for me
L269[18:42:59] <kamray23> vim is
small-ish
L270[18:43:00] <Bob>
NP++'s multicursor is just godlike
<Bob>
NP++'s multicursor is just godlikeL271[18:43:04] <kamray23> its no emacs
that's for sure
L272[18:43:09] <Bob> i use
nvim on mobile
<Bob> i use
nvim on mobileL273[18:43:11] <Ariri> Might get both, see
which one works nicer with stylus
L274[18:43:19] <kamray23> neovim supports
lua
L275[18:43:24] <dequbed> Ariri: Krita
works better with Stylii
L276[18:43:34] <Bob> nvim
does use lua plugins
<Bob> nvim
does use lua pluginsL277[18:43:42] <Bob> and
you can use any lang as soon as you have a langauge server
<Bob> and
you can use any lang as soon as you have a langauge serverL278[18:43:45] <kamray23> i'd have hoped
it could support some kind of vimlisp
L279[18:43:49] <kamray23> maybe it will in
the future
L280[18:43:49] <Bob> as
nvim 5.0 supports finally iirc
<Bob> as
nvim 5.0 supports finally iircL281[18:44:06] <kamray23> why do you code
on mobile though?
L282[18:44:14] <Ocawesome101> i'm so used to vim that i
compulsively save with <esc>:w<enter> every few
characters unless i stop myself
<Ocawesome101> i'm so used to vim that i
compulsively save with <esc>:w<enter> every few
characters unless i stop myselfL283[18:44:14] <kamray23> that seems like
a giant pain
L284[18:44:26] <kamray23> yeah it's a big
problem in some places
L285[18:44:27] <dequbed> @Bob I hope you
mean 0.5 otherwise I'm waaaay behind :P
L286[18:44:32] <kamray23> especially when
writing long messages
L287[18:44:42] <kamray23> nvim is still in
development i believe so it's probably 0.5
L288[18:44:47] <kamray23> i've been
thinking about switching to it
L289[18:44:51] <kamray23> actually you
know what let me just do that
L290[18:44:57] <Bob> yeah
i just ommit the first 0 lol
<Bob> yeah
i just ommit the first 0 lolL291[18:45:00] <dequbed> kamray23:
Sarcasm. I am well aware what version nvim is on thanks -.-
L292[18:45:06] <Ariri> dequbed, Is stylii
the plural for stylus or a software of some sort?
L293[18:45:17] <dequbed> Ariri: Plural of
stylus
L294[18:45:25] <Ariri> ah, til
L295[18:45:33] <kamray23> there we
go
L296[18:45:48] <dequbed> Not sure if it's
the actual plural, just what I though'd it be :P
L297[18:46:04] <Forecaster> it's just
"stylus"
<Forecaster> it's just
"stylus"L298[18:46:05] <Ocawesome101> is nvim a reimplementation
or fork of vim/
<Ocawesome101> is nvim a reimplementation
or fork of vim/L299[18:46:08] <Ocawesome101> *?
<Ocawesome101> *?L300[18:46:11] <dequbed> fork
L301[18:46:17] <kamray23> alright
L302[18:46:21] <kamray23> nvim is a fork
yeah
L303[18:46:22] <dequbed> fixing a few
deepish issues that break backwards comp Oca
L304[18:46:25] <Ariri> > The plural
form of stylus is styli or styluses.
L305[18:46:30] <kamray23> and it doesn't
need any extra config for a switch
L306[18:46:32] <kamray23> just
L307[18:46:41] <kamray23> download nvim
instead of vim and all your old config should be fine i think
L308[18:46:45] <Bob> vim's
codebase considered messy, it aims to clean it up so its a fork,
not a ground up re implementation iirc
<Bob> vim's
codebase considered messy, it aims to clean it up so its a fork,
not a ground up re implementation iircL309[18:46:55] <Ocawesome101> fascinating
<Ocawesome101> fascinatingL310[18:46:59] <Ariri> might be one of
those plurals that aren't used often enough for there to be a
strict rule fo rit
L311[18:47:02] <Ariri> for it*
L312[18:48:07] <dequbed> @Ocawesome101
main features are lua(jit) instead of vimscript as main config
language, a msgpack based RPC interface for "remote"
plugins and not working on Atari. Also currently there's work on
rope data structure for text which will probably really break
syntax highlighting but make it fast.
L313[18:49:04] <Ocawesome101> > not working on
Atari
<Ocawesome101> > not working on
AtariL314[18:49:05] <Ocawesome101> ???
<Ocawesome101> ???L315[18:49:23] <dequbed> Vim has lots of
#ifdefs to compile and run on Atari.
L316[18:49:46] <Ocawesome101> ....why
<Ocawesome101> ....whyL317[18:49:52] <dequbed> vim is old.
L318[18:50:03] <Ocawesome101> fair 'nugg
<Ocawesome101> fair 'nuggL319[18:50:07] <Ocawesome101> 'nuff*
<Ocawesome101> 'nuff*L320[18:51:25] <kamray23> urxvt will
literally just not accept ^ today
L321[18:51:28] <kamray23> for some
reason
L322[18:51:36] <kamray23> it just doesnt
do anything if i press the button
L323[18:52:49] <kamray23> i mean i don't
get why neovim chose lua jit compilation over other config
langs
L324[18:53:07] <kamray23> its generally
bad form to just slam in extra languages into projects for the sake
of configuration alone
L325[18:53:07] <dequbed> Because.
L326[18:53:20] <dequbed> I ... what?
L327[18:54:33] <kamray23> well lua is a
full on programming language
L328[18:54:40] <kamray23> not really
designed for configuration as its main goal
L329[18:54:43] <dequbed> ...
L330[18:54:51] <dequbed> You really aren't
well informed.
L331[18:55:20] <kamray23> or did neovim
really (re)implement a large part of vim in lua?
L332[18:55:23] <kamray23> because then
that's different
L333[18:57:10] <kamray23> i mean it's kind
of sad vim was create in C because C is very hard to use as a
config/scripting language so we need to keep embedding new
languages into vim all the time
L334[18:58:14] <kamray23> some languages
support compilation into a binary executable with a JIT compiler
being dragged along which enables configuration scripting and
development to all happen in one single language
L335[18:58:33] <dequbed> Hmm, yes yes,
quite.
L336[18:58:39] <dequbed> Please, do keep
talking.
L337[18:59:08] <kamray23> well i mean lua
obviously does too it just turns into bytecode on compilation
L338[18:59:15] <kamray23> then again so do
most high-level languages now
L339[18:59:49] <kamray23> the .net
languages and jvm languages and compiled python obviously
L340[19:00:13] <dequbed> Compiled python,
compared to interpreted python of course :P
L341[19:00:27] <kamray23> well it's the
same thing essentially
L342[19:00:39] <kamray23> i've worked on
the reference python implementation
L343[19:00:49] <kamray23> it's actually a
compiler and a bytecode interpreter in one
L344[19:01:15] <kamray23> like how many
lua interpreters work
L345[19:02:47] <kamray23> so you can get
it to just compile and interpret separately just with CPython
L346[19:03:03] <kamray23> Cython and such
are obviously a whole different class of compilers
L347[19:03:06] <kamray23> well Cython is a
transpiler
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L350[19:06:42] <kamray23> i wonder if
vimscript is actually better than lua simply because its an
evolution of the ex command line or if lua is more powerful because
it isn't
L351[19:18:26] <kamray23> god gradle is
weird
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<bad at
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L367[21:00:29] <kamray23>
whjyyyyy is gradle not working
<kamray23>
whjyyyyy is gradle not workingL368[21:00:32] <kamray23>
stop being so stubborn
<kamray23>
stop being so stubbornL369[21:00:48] <kamray23>
read the jar and stop complaining about no versions being
availableeeeeeeeeeeeeee
<kamray23>
read the jar and stop complaining about no versions being
availableeeeeeeeeeeeeeeL370[21:06:21] <Bob>
lol
<Bob>
lolL371[21:06:32] <kamray23>
nvm i got it to work
<kamray23>
nvm i got it to workL372[21:06:35] <kamray23>
nvm i didn't it crashed
<kamray23>
nvm i didn't it crashedL373[21:06:36] <kamray23>
ffs
<kamray23>
ffsL374[21:08:06] <kamray23>
why does opencomputers not the working
<kamray23>
why does opencomputers not the workingL375[21:12:41] <kamray23>
why is forge modding not the same it used to be
<kamray23>
why is forge modding not the same it used to beL376[21:17:02] <kamray23>
no wait im dumb again
<kamray23>
no wait im dumb againL377[21:21:11] <Kristopher38> it's your typical gradle
experience
<Kristopher38> it's your typical gradle
experienceL378[21:21:20] <Kristopher38> nothing works, everything
is broken
<Kristopher38> nothing works, everything
is brokenL379[21:21:28] <Kristopher38> enjoy your java
<Kristopher38> enjoy your javaL380[21:22:02] <kamray23>
this is exactly why i quit my java projects before the first class
is written
<kamray23>
this is exactly why i quit my java projects before the first class
is writtenL382[21:23:18] <kamray23>
fear me
<kamray23>
fear meL383[21:35:21]
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L385[21:53:46] <Bob>
>Kristopher38: nothing works, everything is broken
<Bob>
>Kristopher38: nothing works, everything is brokenL386[21:53:46] <Bob> my
point
<Bob> my
pointL387[22:35:53] <Izaya> Ariri:
correct
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