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L1[00:02:19] <Ar​iri> it's a commodity for barter or service in the future where interstellar travel and the desire to profit is commonplace
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L4[00:19:50] <Va​ur> %tonk
L5[00:19:55] <MichiBot> Dagnammit! Va​ur! You beat n​il's previous record of 2 hours, 21 minutes and 54 seconds (By 1 hour, 44 minutes and 20 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L6[00:19:56] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 4 hours, 6 minutes and 14 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00522 (0.00174 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.03316845 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L7[00:24:10] <Ariri> dequbed, i like it already https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/LZqyxGWDrNRmR7y/preview
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L10[01:23:10] <Ariri> *there's a mochi recipe* :)
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L12[01:24:17] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/30307cfaa50db12326afeb40585d614f033433140a882bd15540b5d5ec0dcf36.jpg
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L14[01:26:16] <Va​ur> %sip
L15[01:26:16] <MichiBot> You drink a ripe bombastium potion (New!). Vaur gains an additional bone.
L16[01:30:46] <Amanda> @vaur what ariririri said. I was making a joke about yet another correction
L17[01:31:52] <Amanda> But I don't remember much about E:D so I went sideways to startrek and pulled "ferengi gold" out of the litter tray filler
L18[01:33:04] <Amanda> %choose boot back up after rain box for purple stories or wait until tomorrow
L19[01:33:05] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I've heard "boot back up after rain box for purple stories" is in these days
L20[01:33:54] <ThePi​Guy24> why is my internet doing this
L21[01:39:54] <Amanda> Insufficient scritchies to the internet cat goddess
L22[01:52:40] <Z0id​berg> Amanda: lolol
L23[02:04:32] <Michiyo> %p
L24[02:04:34] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mic​hiyo 0.68s
L25[02:11:25] <Izaya> made an issue about my pinephone modem woes https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/issues/1074
L26[02:16:39] <Amanda> Izaya: does it work after a reboot?
L27[02:16:44] <Izaya> nope
L28[02:16:47] <Amanda> Jrm
L29[02:16:50] <Izaya> I've tried that several times a day for a week
L30[02:26:51] <Amanda> @Z0idberg was that to the NE meme I sent you this meowning?
L31[02:48:45] <i_develo​p_things> Izaya: just use arch :P
L32[02:49:06] <Izaya> don't tempt me
L33[02:50:10] <i_develo​p_things> *tempts izaya https://github.com/dreemurrs-embedded/pine64-arch*
L34[02:51:14] <Sagh​etti> can we tempt you?
L35[02:53:35] <Izaya> neat
L36[03:23:54] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/2fa3631aa22b06eb2426c628a5eb722f1deebd16264ef17be06065571c8e5959.png
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L39[03:31:51] <Sagh​etti> goog
L40[04:10:26] <Ariri> goog
L41[04:10:29] <Ariri> boog
L42[04:10:30] <Ariri> borg
L43[04:15:52] <Amanda> Google's closure is library namespaces everything under goog.
L44[04:16:09] <Amanda> JS*
L45[04:17:17] <Amanda> Hey, who authorized the time to tick over to a new day!?
L46[04:19:41] * Amanda snugs up around Elfi, proteccs and zzzmews
L47[04:19:44] <Amanda> Night nerds
L48[04:21:25] <Ariri> gnight
L49[04:24:34] <n​il> gn
L50[04:27:09] <n​il> %tonk
L51[04:27:09] <MichiBot> Woah! n​il! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 4 hours, 6 minutes and 14 seconds (By 1 minute and 1 second)! I hope you're happy!
L52[04:27:10] <MichiBot> nil's new record is 4 hours, 7 minutes and 16 seconds! nil also gained 0.0001 (0.00002 x 5) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.41588939 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L53[04:41:14] <Va​ur> %sip
L54[04:41:14] <MichiBot> You drink a gloomy iron potion (New!). When Vaur drinks the last drop, a bucket of water materializes above their head and dumps its contents over them. Vaur avoids the bucket and it's content! (13 vs DC 8)
L55[05:16:04] <Ariri> Anyone knows/is an expert on Morse code by chance?
L56[05:17:02] <Va​ur> errr, just look an alphabet online ? its only letters replaced into . and -
L57[05:19:16] <Ariri> Trust me mate, I know the morse alphabet
L58[05:19:38] <Ariri> the problem here is the audio we're working with is sped up and compressed (by YT)
L59[05:19:50] <Va​ur> oh rip then
L60[05:26:46] <bad at​ vijya> goog
L61[05:44:16] <Klea​dron> %give XNA Framework 3.1
L62[05:44:17] * MichiBot searches through her inventory for a bit. "I couldn't find anything..."
L63[05:44:36] <Klea​dron> =[
L64[05:44:48] <Forec​aster> %syntax give
L65[05:44:48] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: %give Target:string [Item:string]
L66[05:45:34] <Klea​dron> %give MichiBot XNA Framework 3.1
L67[05:45:34] * MichiBot accepts XNA Framework 3.1 and adds it to her inventory
L68[05:45:46] <Klea​dron> good
L69[06:49:11] <n​il> %give everyone a PS3 toolchain
L70[06:49:12] * MichiBot searches through her inventory for a bit. "I couldn't find anything..."
L71[06:49:46] <n​il> %give nil XNA Framework 3.1
L72[06:49:46] * MichiBot searches through her inventory for a bit. "I couldn't find anything..."
L73[06:50:08] <Klea​dron> %give nil a wooden spoon
L74[06:50:09] * MichiBot searches through her inventory for a bit. "I couldn't find anything..."
L75[06:50:21] <n​il> Kleadron: rude!
L76[06:50:28] <Klea​dron> what's wrong with spoons :(
L77[07:04:52] <Bene​dani> %consume
L78[07:04:53] <MichiBot> You drink a forked pearlpeas potion (New!). Benedani feels the need to smash.
L79[07:12:54] <Bene​dani> ez https://tinyurl.com/yzhm6r6c
L80[07:13:28] <Forec​aster> %smash
L81[07:13:29] <MichiBot> Forecaster smashes a pot. A small fairly appears, swirls around you. You feel as if you have multiple hearts now, weird.
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L83[07:25:39] <Klea​dron> %drink
L84[07:25:39] <MichiBot> You drink a porous amethyst potion (New!). Kleadron's favourite shirt suddenly disintegrates.
L85[07:25:50] <Klea​dron> \🖕
L86[07:44:17] <kinkinkijkin> has anyone made a file access lib for computronics tapes?
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L91[09:03:47] <Izaya> file access lib?
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L95[09:43:52] <kinkinkijkin> filesystem lib, but treating the tape as a single file
L96[09:48:38] <Izaya> ah
L97[09:48:59] <Izaya> I wrote a thing to add a device to /dev/ a while back but it was abnormally slow and I never bothered to figure out why
L98[09:49:17] <Izaya> Wonder if I could port the PsychOS tape stuff to OpenOS...
L99[09:53:13] <kinkinkijkin> since my tape needs are all in-server for distributing media and large programs through the server, I might just make my own tapefs
L100[09:54:10] <Izaya> well
L101[09:54:28] <Izaya> OpenOS's filesystem.mount function can take a component proxy rather than just an address
L102[09:54:35] <Izaya> no need to make a vcomponent like I ended up doing so much
L103[09:55:29] <Izaya> this may be of interest https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/blob/master/MTFS/OpenOS/usr/bin/importfs.lua
L104[09:57:54] <kinkinkijkin> the big issue with using the floppy/hdd filesystem tools is that the tape can only be read/written a byte at a time, and has to be manually seeked to that byte
L105[09:58:06] <kinkinkijkin> but I don't know, it might be like that for the hdds as well
L106[09:58:12] <kinkinkijkin> I haven't checked
L107[09:58:37] <kinkinkijkin> oh wait you meant something else
L108[09:58:42] <kinkinkijkin> reading code now I guess
L109[09:59:27] <Izaya> writing a dumb filesystem proxy that allows access to tape drives and pretends to be a filesystem probably isn't too hard
L110[10:00:03] <Izaya> each time a file is opened and a new handle is created you'd have to keep track of the location on the tape because there's only one r/w head
L111[10:00:26] <kinkinkijkin> yep
L112[10:00:39] <kinkinkijkin> thankfully seeking is accurate
L113[10:00:45] <kinkinkijkin> unlike real life tapes
L114[10:00:59] <M​GR> You could use something like a flash translation layer to organize that data
L115[10:01:02] <Izaya> you could either do it in the dumb-but-easy way; seek to the start then seek to the right location, or you could do it the hard way and do maths on the read heads
L116[10:01:31] <Izaya> or yeah, treat it as a block device with a backend that only reads blocks at a time and keep a cache
L117[10:01:43] <kinkinkijkin> the dumb way saves memory, might be worth doing honestly
L118[10:01:59] <Izaya> not really
L119[10:02:26] <Izaya> it's easier to implement but you have to keep track of the r/w head location of each file either way
L120[10:02:30] <Izaya> s/file/file handle/
L121[10:02:31] <MichiBot> <Izaya> it's easier to implement but you have to keep track of the r/w head location of each file handle either way
L122[10:02:57] <kinkinkijkin> yes, but I can keep an fs record at the beginning of the tape
L123[10:03:28] <Izaya> ... right, but what if the same tape drive is opened twice?
L124[10:03:56] <kinkinkijkin> hmm
L125[10:04:06] <Izaya> you could also say "fuck it" and don't bother tracking it at all
L126[10:04:25] <Izaya> and if the same tape drive is opened multiple times that's on the user
L127[10:04:34] <kinkinkijkin> could keep the fs record and seek-to-file then read the entire file when needed, but that's... horribly inefficient
L128[10:04:59] <Izaya> that'd end up wasting a heap of memory each time, and you'd still have to keep track of the read location in the file :p
L129[10:05:17] <kinkinkijkin> yep
L130[10:05:45] <kinkinkijkin> I'm not particularly experienced with filesystems, I'm thinking of this too much like a packed file to be honest
L131[10:09:24] <Izaya> are you after an archive of files on the tape, or just a single file on the tape, or?
L132[10:10:38] <kinkinkijkin> a method of packing a file of multiple objects optimized for tape, and a way of having the OS treat it like a file
L133[10:10:44] <Izaya> a file?
L134[10:10:46] <Izaya> a single file?
L135[10:10:57] <kinkinkijkin> similar to how tapes of software were distributed for c64 and such
L136[10:11:00] <Izaya> the whole tape, one file?
L137[10:11:16] <kinkinkijkin> a whole tape for what is essentially an archive of sorts?
L138[10:11:55] <kinkinkijkin> a packed file, a file made of multiple files packed with all needed metadata collected in only one spot
L139[10:12:00] <Forec​aster> that's what a filesystem is
L140[10:12:06] <kinkinkijkin> im aware
L141[10:12:26] <Izaya> okay so you want to expose the tape as a file so programs that operate on files can treat it like an archive?
L142[10:12:44] <Izaya> s/archive/archive file/
L143[10:12:44] <MichiBot> <Izaya> okay so you want to expose the tape as a file so programs that operate on files can treat it like an archive file?
L144[10:13:09] <kinkinkijkin> yes
L145[10:13:25] <kinkinkijkin> and, as well, a method of reading the filesystem in this archive file
L146[10:13:38] <Izaya> hmmmm
L147[10:13:59] <kinkinkijkin> sorry, language is not my best suit
L148[10:14:26] <Izaya> making the tape act like a file seems like an unnecessary layer of abstraction when one could write a program that presents an archive on a tape as a filesystem
L149[10:14:53] <kinkinkijkin> I'm trying to figure which of the two I want to do
L150[10:15:05] <Izaya> though having a tape node means that it's archive-type-agnostic
L151[10:15:22] <Forec​aster> it sounds like you just want to store files on the tape, like a filesystem
L152[10:15:31] <Forec​aster> calling it an "archive" seems to just be confusing
L153[10:15:49] <Izaya> but it also means you need a separate program to access the files
L154[10:15:51] <kinkinkijkin> this is for games distribution, so it doesn't actually need to be accessible by OS
L155[10:15:55] <kinkinkijkin> therefore an archive
L156[10:15:58] <Izaya> aaah
L157[10:16:20] <kinkinkijkin> maaaaybe for installer packages too
L158[10:16:40] <Izaya> in PsychOS I have a thing that mounts archive files to a read-only filesystem for packages
L159[10:16:42] <Izaya> https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-PsychOS2/src/branch/master/lib/pkgfs.lua
L160[10:16:54] <Izaya> might be of use depending on which approach you go for
L161[10:17:13] <kinkinkijkin> someone on the server is writing a gemini-like webserver for example and eventually we want to have it so new users can quickly set it up on their computers
L162[10:17:31] <kinkinkijkin> along with a new network stack
L163[10:17:38] <Izaya> a new network stack, eh?
L164[10:17:41] <Izaya> any interesting design ideas?
L165[10:17:55] <kinkinkijkin> idk, I haven't looked at her implementation much
L166[10:18:32] <kinkinkijkin> afaict it works with name addresses, so no need for DNS or anything like that
L167[10:18:44] <Izaya> oh nice, like Minitel
L168[10:18:45] <kinkinkijkin> just edit /etc/hostname and people can connect to you by your hostname
L169[10:18:55] <Izaya> very like Minitel :3
L170[10:19:16] <Izaya> > Set up to build a cross-compiler from x86_64-pc-linux-gnu to powerpc-none-eabi.
L171[10:19:21] <Izaya> now we're cooking with gas >:D
L172[10:19:51] <kinkinkijkin> yeah she was looking at minitel, but she didn't like minitel's specifics very much
L173[10:20:16] <kinkinkijkin> i think she set up a network with minitel and is basically working to make something she likes more but keep the network working with small changes at a time?
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L175[10:20:32] <Izaya> should get em on here or in #SKSDev
L176[10:20:40] <Izaya> I'd love to hear their opinions and thoughts on it
L177[10:20:53] <Izaya> the specifics they dislike, etc
L178[10:21:16] <Izaya> and what changes they made to better suit them
L179[10:42:28] <Izaya> main.out: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, with debug_info, not stripped
L180[10:42:30] <Izaya> we have life!
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L182[11:36:41] <kinkinkijkin> hmm, I want to read four bytes as a 32-bit number, given the data as a table of bytes. is there a way to do this in lua, or possibly opencomputers specifically?
L183[11:37:39] <Izaya> string.unpack may interest you
L184[11:38:29] <Forec​aster> woo, I can finally make tech blocks!
L185[11:39:06] <Forec​aster> oh, or not
L186[11:39:13] <Forec​aster> I need optronics too apparently
L187[11:39:14] <Forec​aster> shoot
L188[11:39:19] <Izaya> https://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/manual.html#6.4.2
L189[11:42:59] <dequbed> Ariri: Now you have an excuse to learn more german :P
L190[11:45:06] <kinkinkijkin> does lua have a discard operator?
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L192[11:59:53] <Kristo​pher38> what's a discard operator 🤔
L193[12:17:20] <Izaya> https://lain.com/media/9113a4f597b90077e2e69ba2ebf130f84373b25914edef1ef349510b22d1aa04.jpg
L194[12:17:51] <dequbed> cats!
L195[12:19:47] <dequbed> Izaya: https://youtu.be/W6ZSyDpwHAI
L196[12:19:47] <MichiBot> 165 | You're a cat now | length: 10s | Likes: 13,485 Dislikes: 16 Views: 120,643 | by Telepurte | Published On 3/5/2021
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L198[12:47:53] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L199[12:47:56] <MichiBot> Huzzah! Forec​aster! You beat n​il's previous record of 4 hours, 7 minutes and 16 seconds (By 4 hours, 13 minutes and 29 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L200[12:47:57] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk points! plus 0.007 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.8322007. Position #3 Need 0.10586185 more points to pass Va​ur!
L201[12:48:09] <Forec​aster> %greenshell CompanionCube
L202[12:48:11] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Unfortunately you missed with a 1 vs 10.
L203[12:48:15] <Forec​aster> damn
L204[12:48:23] <Forec​aster> Vaur is a lot easier to hit
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L206[12:59:50] <Izaya> https://blobcdn.blob.cat/blobcatfiles/d02d5d5542990cddc99e796b966d0561d57dbeb7f4639a7fd71bf6f1b3280798.jpg
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L209[13:17:36] <Amanda> dequbed: I spent like, a minute tryin gto figure out why sound wasn't working on my phone before I realised that video jusst doesn't have any sound.
L210[13:17:50] <dequbed> Amanda: Sorry <3
L211[13:18:04] <Amanda> The perils of running a developer preview
L212[13:18:27] <Forec​aster> I did that too
L213[13:18:53] <Amanda> "Is this a bug due to running untested software, or WAT"
L214[13:19:49] <Forec​aster> I just thought "did I mute something?"
L215[13:21:20] <Forec​aster> This is my ship now https://tinyurl.com/yz62p5wk
L216[13:21:29] <Forec​aster> I'm on alpha 12 now
L217[13:21:33] <Forec​aster> I've got robuts
L218[13:22:38] <Forec​aster> hm, I could use a different spot for the cryopods so I can put in another engine
L219[13:23:42] <Amanda> You should move the grow beds into a closed-off room with a CO2 Producer, humans don't generate enough CO2 for plants alone anymorein A12
L220[13:24:00] <Amanda> And gas scrubber will still remove CO2,I think?
L221[13:24:16] <Forec​aster> yeah, but I don't have fertilizer for those anyway
L222[13:24:21] <Amanda> ah
L223[13:24:26] <Forec​aster> and they live fine on the slime stuff
L224[13:25:27] <Forec​aster> although the CO2 level is 30, and the planter says the growth rate is 100%?
L225[13:25:35] <Forec​aster> I don't know
L226[13:29:42] <Forec​aster> on the one that hasn't run out of fertilizer yet
L227[13:33:40] <Forec​aster> is there a way to produce energy cells?
L228[13:36:41] <Forec​aster> ...why are the cells more expensive than the energy blocks https://tinyurl.com/yhybqd8w
L229[13:36:55] <Forec​aster> the cells are a component of the blocks...
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L235[14:00:42] <Va​ur> %tonk
L236[14:00:43] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 12 minutes and 47 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L237[14:00:44] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 12 minutes and 47 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00121 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.03195845 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L240[14:08:06] <M​GR> %bye
L241[14:08:06] <MichiBot> Oh, well, bye I guess...
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L243[14:20:41] <kinkinkijkin> well, made a very basic file reading/packing/writing for tapes, tempted to just move on to making a light pack filesystem now
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L245[14:30:55] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: jeez, this should be ready by now: https://nixpk.gs/pr-tracker.html?pr=121093
L246[14:31:16] <Amanda> finally!
L247[14:57:14] <Amanda> .. why the hell is pcscd trying to read every file in /etc when there's perfectly-valid /etc/reader.conf
L248[14:57:43] <Amanda> I mean, yes, the nixpkgs package is wrong in this case as well, but why the hell is pcscd doing that
L249[15:30:53] <Forec​aster> hm, I think the cellbyte wiki for Space Haven is a bit outdated
L250[15:31:17] <Forec​aster> it claims energy cells can be produced in a "Cell Fuser", but there is no such facility it seems
L251[15:32:43] <Forec​aster> also a zero-atmo environment doesn't prevent fires, but it does make it go out almost immidiately
L252[15:34:51] <Amanda> yeah, in alpha 11 or 10 they reduced the number of highly-specialised machines
L253[15:35:53] <Forec​aster> well they forgot to assign some recipes to other machines it seems :P
L254[15:36:05] <Amanda> nope, it's in the optronics fabricator(?)
L255[15:36:12] <Forec​aster> oh
L256[15:36:14] <Amanda> Or did you mean the wiki
L257[15:36:25] <Forec​aster> then just the wiki
L258[15:36:34] <Amanda> It's mentioned in the research tooltip for the fabricator
L259[15:36:47] <Forec​aster> so it is
L260[15:37:09] <Forec​aster> I glossed over that because when I read it I didn't know what energy cells were for
L261[15:39:36] <Amanda> ls
L262[15:40:33] <Forec​aster> dir
L263[15:46:31] <Vampyre> echo *
L264[15:46:41] <Vampyre> also, %drink coffee
L265[15:46:43] <MichiBot> Vam​pyre: Vampyre has some coffee. It's hot and bitter.
L266[15:47:30] <bad at​ vijya> time to back up everything from my old box and set it up on my new box
L267[15:47:43] <bad at​ vijya> which is the same box with an up to date distro installed
L268[15:50:29] <Forec​aster> there's a hole in space https://tinyurl.com/yzel63a4
L269[15:50:31] <Forec​aster> a spacehole
L270[15:52:41] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yh6f686z
L271[15:52:55] <Izaya> I'll need to do that with mine soon enough >.>
L272[15:53:04] <Izaya> debian 9 is oldstable already
L273[15:53:04] <bad at​ vijya> oh?
L274[15:53:16] <bad at​ vijya> i was on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
L275[15:53:22] <bad at​ vijya> lmao
L276[15:53:27] <Izaya> > C# is LEGIBLE
L277[15:53:29] <Izaya> debatable
L278[15:53:37] <bad at​ vijya> from when i didn't know how to linux
L279[15:54:04] <n​il> %sip
L280[15:54:04] <MichiBot> You drink a sour platinum potion (New!). The next glass of water nil has tastes like Spice.
L281[15:54:08] <n​il> %tonk
L282[15:54:09] <MichiBot> Darn it! n​il! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 1 hour, 12 minutes and 47 seconds (By 40 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L283[15:54:10] <MichiBot> nil's new record is 1 hour, 53 minutes and 25 seconds! nil also gained 0.00136 (0.00068 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.43302939 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L284[15:54:23] <bad at​ vijya> anyways, my backups are gonna take a hot minute
L285[15:54:26] <bad at​ vijya> gonna get more coffee
L286[15:54:32] <bad at​ vijya> and dig out my CD drive
L287[15:54:43] <Izaya> to put your coffee into?
L288[15:54:47] <bad at​ vijya> no
L289[15:54:49] <n​il> why
L290[15:54:57] <bad at​ vijya> to put an arch installer on
L291[15:55:06] <bad at​ vijya> also, wait
L292[15:55:07] <Vampyre> is rsyncing it over not easier instead of dvd's?
L293[15:55:17] <bad at​ vijya> i finally have access to btrfs
L294[15:55:19] <Vampyre> or are you being smart and making an offline backup? ;-)
L295[15:55:19] <bad at​ vijya> 👀
L296[15:55:33] <bad at​ vijya> oh, i'm making an offline backup
L297[15:55:54] <Vampyre> heh, always smart thing to do indeed
L298[15:56:04] <bad at​ vijya> but it's just a giant `tar -c ... | lzma > ...`
L299[15:56:06] <bad at​ vijya> fuckfest
L300[15:56:29] * Izaya gives bad_at_vijya squashfs
L301[15:56:35] <Izaya> what if you could make archives that you can mount
L302[15:56:44] <Vampyre> keeping it simple and with tried and tested tools is with backups best anyway
L303[15:56:44] <n​il> bad at vijya: `... > /dev/null` - this is how you have infinite space for the backups
L304[15:57:12] <bad at​ vijya> i coulda used squashfs but tar was just
L305[15:57:12] <bad at​ vijya> easier
L306[15:57:17] <bad at​ vijya> to use in this case
L307[15:57:28] <bad at​ vijya> now that i've begun to learn tar
L308[15:57:42] <Vampyre> I'm almost 100% sure that someone out there must have made a tarfs for fuse or something ;-)
L309[15:57:46] <bad at​ vijya> though i'll be using cpio64 once i get lcpio working again :^)
L310[15:58:34] <Izaya> you can mount most archives I've come across with gvfs at least
L311[15:58:39] <Izaya> but squashfs is less jank
L312[16:00:01] <bad at​ vijya> i had to back up a buncha huge directories that wouldn't fit in tmpfs so
L313[16:00:19] <bad at​ vijya> oh
L314[16:00:24] <bad at​ vijya> i can have multiple sources
L315[16:00:24] <bad at​ vijya> pain
L316[16:00:27] <bad at​ vijya> oh well
L317[16:02:45] <bad at​ vijya> anyways
L318[16:02:49] <bad at​ vijya> off to find a CD drive
L319[16:03:14] <bad at​ vijya> a dvd drive
L320[16:03:15] <bad at​ vijya> even better
L321[16:03:17] <bad at​ vijya> :)
L322[16:07:51] <Snai​lDOS> Oo
L323[16:08:12] <Izaya> oO
L324[16:10:01] <bad at​ vijya> i must now find a power cord
L325[16:10:06] <bad at​ vijya> i have the brick, but not the cord
L326[16:11:10] <Snai​lDOS> My God. Just as I am about to go to sleep my magic mirror decides to reboot...
L327[16:11:13] <Snai​lDOS> rip my eyes
L328[16:11:25] <Izaya> hate it when my sheet of foil and glass reboots
L329[16:11:26] <Snai​lDOS> who the heck made raspian so white and bright...
L330[16:11:31] <Izaya> https://expired.mentality.rip/media/61bf0a7ed0daaeb7f375026d8d2dc3489b678b528676b5d8059fc1a23f3d68af.png
L331[16:11:46] <Snai​lDOS> what in the w-
L332[16:12:01] <Snai​lDOS> mm very yummy loafs
L333[16:13:05] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: A
L334[16:13:07] <Izaya> senko-bagel for new firefox logo
L335[16:13:17] <bad at​ vijya> i can't find my box of assorted power cords
L336[16:13:39] <bad at​ vijya> like, it's a box of those cords you plug into computers, laptop chargers, etc
L337[16:13:47] <bad at​ vijya> both the three and two prong ones
L338[16:14:03] <Izaya> the IEC, circle-IEC and figure 8 cables?
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L340[16:14:53] <bad at​ vijya> yes
L341[16:15:05] <Izaya> stuff with figure-8 cables always freaked me out
L342[16:15:07] <Izaya> like, fucker has no ground
L343[16:15:40] <Izaya> I know logically that it's probably fine, but still, the wall socket has a ground pin, use it >.>
L344[16:16:15] <dequbed> Izaya: Honestly, C# is just slightly more reasonable Java with less platforms supported. Change my mind ;)
L345[16:16:22] <bad at​ vijya> this is america, though
L346[16:16:30] <Izaya> I never said java was better
L347[16:16:36] <bad at​ vijya> some people still have sockets with two pins
L348[16:16:37] <bad at​ vijya> smh
L349[16:16:55] <bad at​ vijya> also don't you know HOW MUCH that GROUND PIN costs to HAVE
L350[16:16:56] <Izaya> just that C#'s IRandomBullshitBullshitBullshitBullshitBullshitBullshitInterfaces aren't really what I call legible :p
L351[16:16:59] <bad at​ vijya> like jeez izaya
L352[16:17:10] <bad at​ vijya> think about the poor, poor companies
L353[16:17:19] <dequbed> Izaya: Fair
L354[16:17:29] <bad at​ vijya> i shouldn't have to point out this is sarcasm, but this is sarcasm
L355[16:18:25] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya: then the power companies would have to wire the ground! to the ground!
L356[16:18:27] <Izaya> how terrible.
L357[16:19:50] <bad at​ vijya> i s2g this box only appears when i don't need it
L358[16:19:54] <bad at​ vijya> but when i need it, it disappears
L359[16:20:48] <dequbed> Izaya: Unrelated but two-pin cables still have "ground" in most all electric configurations.
L360[16:21:49] <dequbed> And it's not a safety issue anyway :P
L361[16:24:40] <bad at​ vijya> power cable acquired
L362[16:26:04] <bad at​ vijya> wait
L363[16:26:23] <bad at​ vijya> can i pipe in stuff from `find` to tar
L364[16:27:29] <bad at​ vijya> unfortunate, i can't
L365[16:29:31] <dequbed> That's what xargs is for :P
L366[16:30:56] <bad at​ vijya> man
L367[16:31:00] <bad at​ vijya> this dvd drive is getting old
L368[16:32:23] <bad at​ vijya> i somehow misplaced my entire stack of CDs
L369[16:35:46] <Forec​aster> well that was interesting
L370[16:36:19] <Forec​aster> a Millitary Alliance ship and a Slavers Guild ship was in this sector
L371[16:37:11] <Forec​aster> the Millitary Alliance attacked the slaver ship and destroyed it, the slavers sent a distress call to me, I sent over a shuttle, rescued one survivor and freed a slave, took both as refugees
L372[16:37:33] <Forec​aster> then the MA ship started scanning me because they were suspicious I was harboring their enemies
L373[16:39:34] <bad at​ vijya> CDs acquired
L374[16:39:42] <bad at​ vijya> now linux doesn't want to see my CD drive
L375[16:40:02] <bad at​ vijya> i wonder if this drive is slowly dying
L376[16:40:04] <Forec​aster> so it's just a D drive
L377[16:45:26] <ThePi​Guy24> uncompacted disc
L378[16:46:10] <bad at​ vijya> wait fuck
L379[16:46:14] <bad at​ vijya> THESE ARE ONLY 700MB
L380[16:46:25] <Izaya> as CDs tend to be
L381[16:47:10] <bad at​ vijya> why do i remember 800MB cds
L382[16:47:16] <bad at​ vijya> am i the idiot here
L383[16:47:40] <Izaya> p sure 750 was as big as they got
L384[16:50:14] <bad at​ vijya> oh wait
L385[16:50:16] <bad at​ vijya> mode 2 exists
L386[16:50:20] <bad at​ vijya> i know what i must do
L387[16:51:06] <bad at​ vijya> aha!
L388[16:51:14] <bad at​ vijya> mode 2 will give me enough room
L389[17:06:46] <Forec​aster> godammit
L390[17:06:52] <Forec​aster> I need chemical refining too
L391[17:06:53] <Forec​aster> :|
L392[17:07:28] <Vampyre> max is 99 minutes on a cdr, but most burners don't support that
L393[17:11:36] <Vampyre> also, @bad at vijya, mode2 has a boatload less ecc then mode 1 data, which you might not want to use if this is for backups
L394[17:11:42] <Vampyre> cdr's degenerate
L395[17:12:05] <dequbed> Using CD in 2021 for backups is questionable either way.
L396[17:12:16] <bad at​ vijya> i'm using it for an arch installer
L397[17:12:18] <bad at​ vijya> well, was going to
L398[17:12:30] <bad at​ vijya> i sacrificed a flash drive instead
L399[17:13:04] <i_develo​p_things> archlinux 2019.12 is only ~640M
L400[17:13:08] <ThePi​Guy24> i only have 1 functioning disc drive atm
L401[17:13:16] <ThePi​Guy24> and its in an old xp era laptop
L402[17:13:21] <Izaya> I have a stack as tall as me
L403[17:13:21] <Vampyre> there are a few flash drive boot tools where you can just dump iso's on your drive and boot them
L404[17:13:45] <ThePi​Guy24> and when i say functioning i mean "functioning"
L405[17:13:46] <i_develo​p_things> the only working disk drive i have is in a laptop from 2006
L406[17:13:52] <i_develo​p_things> everything except disk burning works
L407[17:13:57] <Izaya> time 4 bed
L408[17:13:58] <i_develo​p_things> and disk burning only broke fairly recently
L409[17:14:04] <i_develo​p_things> goodnight izaya
L410[17:14:09] <Izaya> good morning everyone :)
L411[17:14:09] <dequbed> Goodnight Izaya, sleep well and dream sweet <3
L412[17:14:13] <bad at​ vijya> Vampyre: it's less the problem of not being able to boot off of a flash drive and more the fact that all i have are 64GB flash drives
L413[17:14:16] <bad at​ vijya> nite izaya
L414[17:14:34] <bad at​ vijya> oh wait, i misread your message
L415[17:14:42] <Vampyre> how is that a problem? ;-)
L416[17:14:51] <bad at​ vijya> yeye, i see what you mean
L417[17:14:57] <bad at​ vijya> i should probably make something like that
L418[17:15:30] <ThePi​Guy24> man i really do love how much it is raining recently, makes a nice change from the unpleasant heat we had before :p
L419[17:21:16] <bad at​ vijya> anyways, i probably will just make a wacky multi-image boot USB
L420[17:22:11] <bad at​ vijya> i have to build grub2 myself to get lua support
L421[17:22:12] <bad at​ vijya> pain
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L423[17:34:11] <Amanda> cru
L424[18:00:21] <bad at​ vijya> backup is still going
L425[18:00:22] <bad at​ vijya> pain
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L427[18:08:57] <bad at​ vijya> man
L428[18:09:05] <bad at​ vijya> there isn't a bootloader that does quite what i want
L429[18:09:15] <bad at​ vijya> time to just make Zorya on real hardware /s
L430[18:09:32] <bad at​ vijya> although that does sound like a fun project
L431[18:09:36] <bad at​ vijya> well
L432[18:09:38] <bad at​ vijya> "fun"
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L434[18:12:23] <Vampyre> what do you want it to do?
L435[18:14:10] <bad at​ vijya> be scriptable with lua
L436[18:14:15] <bad at​ vijya> i can't get grub's lua module to compile
L437[18:14:17] <bad at​ vijya> :)
L438[18:14:26] <bad at​ vijya> actually, would syslinux work for this
L439[18:14:29] <Vampyre> hmm
L440[18:14:52] <Vampyre> grub is more scriptable then syslinux
L441[18:15:09] <bad at​ vijya> well i know syslinux has a lua module
L442[18:15:11] <bad at​ vijya> that's the thing
L443[18:15:35] <Vampyre> well, in that case, syslinux can be expanded
L444[18:15:45] <Vampyre> and it can boot pretty much the same as grub
L445[18:16:25] <bad at​ vijya> hmm
L446[18:16:47] <bad at​ vijya> syslinux doesn't seem to support loading from ISOs but i could probably extract isos to the partition and have it boot them from there
L447[18:16:49] <bad at​ vijya> 🤔
L448[18:17:38] <Vampyre> no, iso's have a specific way of booting (depending on the type)
L449[18:18:22] <Vampyre> exception being efi iso's, if the iso is in 1 piece (cluster) of the flashdrive
L450[18:18:44] <Vampyre> you can boot those with some efi partition table trickery
L451[18:18:49] <bad at​ vijya> hm
L452[18:18:56] <bad at​ vijya> i will have to figure this out
L453[18:20:03] <bad at​ vijya> ah wait
L454[18:20:05] <bad at​ vijya> i see how to do this
L455[18:23:21] <Vampyre> I guess you can chain memdisk from syslinux, that can load iso's
L456[18:35:00] <bad at​ vijya> ye
L457[18:46:44] <Ariri> dequbed, true
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L459[19:24:37] <Forec​aster> crud...
L460[19:24:46] <Forec​aster> I just got interrupted by a pirate
L461[19:24:54] <Forec​aster> I forgot to rebuild the turret...
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L468[19:40:55] <among> good afternoon fart sniffers
L469[19:41:10] <Forecaster> oh is it you again
L470[19:41:30] <among> no, i'm a smart fella and not a fart smella -W
L471[19:44:07] <among> among us
L472[19:44:26] <among> sus :jermasus: -N
L473[19:44:30] <among> when jerma is sus! -W
L474[19:44:36] <Forecaster> yeah okay
L475[19:44:43] <Forecaster> %ban among
L476[19:44:49] <among> when the imposter is the jerma! -WN
L477[19:44:51] <Forecaster> oh I can't do that
L478[19:44:59] <among> cry more buddy -W
L479[19:44:59] <Forecaster> %tban among 99w
L480[19:45:03] *** among was kicked by zsh ((MichiBot) Reason: | For: 99w | Expires: 03/27/2023 07:45:00 PM))
L481[19:50:12] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L482[19:50:13] <MichiBot> Woooo! Compan​ionCube! You beat n​il's previous record of 1 hour, 53 minutes and 25 seconds (By 2 hours, 2 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L483[19:50:13] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 3 hours, 56 minutes and 3 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00408 (0.00204 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
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L488[21:26:04] <stephan48> Forecaster on IRC?
L489[21:26:07] <stephan48> what?
L490[21:28:30] <ThePi​Guy24> yes you can be on both
L491[21:28:39] <ThePiGuy24> its pretty simple you know
L492[21:36:47] <st​e48> nono its way to hard you see! can't even get my name straight
L493[21:37:12] <dequbed> Being straight is overrated anyway
L494[21:37:32] <st​e48> or right or the same
L495[21:37:49] <stephan48> :D
L496[21:38:22] <ThePi​Guy24> as a not straight, can confirm being straight is overrated
L497[21:39:03] <stephan48> \o/
L498[22:06:56] <Va​ur> %sip
L499[22:06:58] <MichiBot> You drink a molten unobtanium potion (New!). Vaur's shoes are now slightly too large until Sozin's Comet returns.
L500[22:38:19] <Ariri> and being super straight is an indicator of a mental problem
L501[22:38:33] <Ariri> s/super straight/"super straight"
L502[22:38:34] <MichiBot> <Ariri> and being "super straight" is an indicator of a mental problem
L503[22:38:51] * stephan48 runs away from discord regexp substitutions
L504[22:39:05] <CompanionCube> Ariri: isn't it literally a 4chan /pol/ troll or some shit
L505[22:39:44] <stephan48> i mean.... make the trailing / optional... okey if you need to.... but ffs. discord renders it into the resulting text as part of the substitution
L506[22:40:32] <Ariri> CompanionCube, i don't keep up with 4chan like at all, but it was a recent tiktok trend promoting transphobia that was informed of by a friend
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L508[22:40:58] <Ariri> it was brain cell murder to see
L509[22:43:03] <Ar​iri> https://youtu.be/Q-ttGQ_EDR8
L510[22:43:03] <MichiBot> "Super-Straight" TikTok exists and it's as bad as you think | length: 10m 1s | Likes: 85,534 Dislikes: 3,758 Views: 865,846 | by D'Angelo Wallace | Published On 29/3/2021
L511[22:44:46] <dequbed> Ariri: It's all part of my master plan to make you learn german, move your pretty butt over to germany and give you *all* the headpats you always claim you don't deserve >:3
L512[22:44:52] <Klea​dron> that's funny how mention of the word straight causes people to get upset
L513[22:44:59] <Klea​dron> anyway infiniminer :) https://tinyurl.com/ydovsqrn
L514[22:46:03] <CompanionCube> relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheCisOk/comments/lzeu1g/the_super_straight_movement_is_another_4chan/
L515[22:47:25] <Ariri> dequbed, that's evil
L516[22:47:30] <Ariri> that last part in particular
L517[22:47:45] * dequbed headpatpats cute Ariri :3
L518[22:47:59] <Ariri> nein
L519[22:48:09] <Ariri> kein entrag
L520[22:48:11] <dequbed> but ... :(
L521[22:48:16] <Ariri> i dont remember how to spell that
L522[22:48:32] <stephan48> entrag?
L523[22:48:37] <stephan48> what do you want to say?
L524[22:48:38] <dequbed> 'Eintrag" if you mean "no entry found for 'cute Ariri'"
L525[22:48:47] <CompanionCube> https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/05-2021-SF-apartment-leases-nfts-crypto-auction-16147945.php ...
L526[22:49:09] <Ariri> yeah, no entry
L527[22:49:48] <Ariri> CompanionCube, TikTok was also silently hiding anti-SS posts as well
L528[22:49:50] <Amanda> %choose pizza or figure something else out
L529[22:49:51] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: My grandfather always told me that "figure something else out" is the way to go!
L530[22:49:55] <Ariri> not the first time they've done it either
L531[22:50:13] <Klea​dron> for some reason infiniminer actually built correctly this time instead of complaining about missing fonts even when I installed them last time
L532[22:50:17] * dequbed gives Amanda additional scritches
L533[22:50:27] <stephan48> SS as in superstreight or the other thing of german history?
L534[22:50:34] * Amanda purrs softly
L535[22:50:40] <Amanda> Or screenshot
L536[22:50:43] <Ariri> CC: https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/mDDiFQy34sB2kwz/preview
L537[22:51:01] <dequbed> stephan48: It's 4chan. I refuse to believe that one is a coincidence.
L538[22:51:16] <stephan48> i seee.
L539[22:51:18] <Ariri> stephan48, both in this case, the logo for the german thing was malformed into the superstraight movements thing
L540[22:51:31] * stephan48 wheeps
L541[22:51:32] <Amanda> I remember being very confused by inari getting confused by me saying I was sending her a SS
L542[22:51:48] <Ariri> oh dear
L543[22:51:51] <CompanionCube> Ariri: truth
L544[22:52:05] <stephan48> why oh why are humans stupid?
L545[22:52:09] <Klea​dron> I feel like it would be a great time to tell everyone that infiniminer's textures are in specific single files and are occasionally different resolutions
L546[22:52:12] <Ariri> aye
L547[22:52:45] <Amanda> %choose pizza or figure something else out or starve
L548[22:52:45] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I've learned anything in life it's that you always pick "figure something else out"
L549[22:52:46] <dequbed> Amanda: to be fair if you'd say you'll send the SS to me I'd be scared too :P
L550[22:52:52] <Ariri> btw dequbed, I'm totally going to try making mochi and failing
L551[22:53:08] <Ariri> but it'll probably be a tasty mess anyways
L552[22:53:10] <dequbed> Ariri: Make *all* the foods!
L553[22:53:11] <Amanda> dequbed: I'm an ignorant american, didn't know about the historical implications of that, used it as short-hand for screenshot. ::P
L554[22:53:25] <dequbed> Ariri: And tell me if they were any good please <3
L555[22:53:26] <t20kdc> Ariri: the problem with that NFTs image is that those "they have played us for absolute fools" images are usually sarcastic and wrong, while this one is clearly correct
L556[22:53:35] <Ariri> dequbed, will do :)
L557[22:53:44] <Ariri> t20kdc, that's true actually
L558[22:54:03] <dequbed> Amanda: Yeah Americas relationship with history lessons isn't exactly stellar
L559[22:54:12] <Ariri> Like with crypto, I can see part of the idea, but the execution and context is fundamentally flawed
L560[22:55:15] <t20kdc> I would say though that "NO REAL-WORLD USE FOUND" for brute-forcing hashing algorithms is... debatable
L561[22:55:33] <dequbed> Amanda: e.g. You'd be surpised how often I or my sis got asked "How do you celebrate Thanksgiving over at home" :P
L562[22:56:23] <Ariri> t20kdc, tbf, I don't think this meme format is generally well done in terms of how consistent the satire is
L563[22:56:27] <Ariri> like this for example: https://kitsune.cafe/notice/A6rR6mSZKfjU3VPrQO
L564[22:56:39] <Amanda> Those silly Canadians celebrate Thanksgiving a month or two early!
L565[22:56:58] <dequbed> That too
L566[22:57:18] <Ariri> dequbed, goes to show that americans like to celebrate things without knowing the history of it "bc we can"
L567[22:57:21] <Amanda> dequbed: what're you doing for the 4th of July!?!?!?
L568[22:57:25] <Ariri> ^
L569[22:57:35] <t20kdc> Ariri: thing is, that is clearly sarcastic (showing specifically bad games, describing perfectly reasonable cases as 'deranged')
L570[22:57:38] <Ariri> or black history month
L571[22:57:51] <Ariri> actually, i dont want to bring that up
L572[22:57:56] <dequbed> Amanda: The 4th of July is generally the "Be annoyed of the US being obnoxious big shits"-holiday around the world :P
L573[22:58:41] <Ariri> t20kdc, yeah, that's what I mean, this is a prime example of how the format should be, but most of them are not as good
L574[22:58:58] <t20kdc> Ariri: honestly I think the core of the meme format is that "STOP DOING 'X'" is a good choice when 'X' is perfectly reasonable but internally complex
L575[22:59:51] <t20kdc> Ariri: for example, "STOP DOING NEURAL NETWORKS" - "millions of cycles burned yet NO REAL WORLD USE FOUND for looking at anime pictures at 2x resolution"
L576[23:01:03] <Ariri> Tom Scott made a video about an hypothetical rogue AI that only took fruition because its developers were american and launched on the friday before a 4th of july, lol
L577[23:01:22] <Ariri> t20kdc, agreed
L578[23:08:55] <i_develo​p_things> ah yes, earworm
L579[23:08:58] <i_develo​p_things> that was freakty
L580[23:09:01] <i_develo​p_things> freaky
L581[23:09:06] <stephan48> things stephan does instead of sleeping: installing bios, fiddling with cpu and memory voltages to get the shit stable again... because its either fiddling or broken usb \o/
L582[23:27:27] <dequbed> stephan48: things dequbed does instead of sleeping: Spamming a group chat will all the egg memes
L583[23:49:02] <Ariri> my interest is piqued
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L586[23:54:34] <dequbed> Ariri: Why am I not surprised? :P
L587[23:58:25] <Ariri> Probably because you've figured by now that I have a practical degree in memery and certification for low-quality cursed and/or sh*t posting
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