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L1[00:05:06] <Amanda> %choose loot the base or ONWARDS!
L2[00:05:07] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: The sands of time whisper to me... they're saying "loot the base".
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L4[00:15:07] <bad at​ vijya> i should work on tsuki at some point
L5[00:41:53] <Ariri> %choose code or work
L6[00:41:53] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: Out of these two choices? I'd say "work".
L7[00:45:36] <Va​ur> %tonk
L8[00:45:36] <MichiBot> Blast! Va​ur! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of 3 hours, 5 minutes and 48 seconds (By 1 hour, 50 minutes and 59 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L9[00:45:37] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 4 hours, 56 minutes and 47 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0074 (0.00185 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.02267207 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L10[00:46:21] <Ariri> %remindme 4h start on the timelines maybe?
L11[00:46:21] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "start on the timelines maybe?" in 4h at 04/29/2021 04:46:21 AM
L12[01:04:42] <Amanda> %oclogs
L13[01:04:43] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/?dir=logs/%23oc
L14[01:06:39] <Amanda> %remindme 12h take a propaganda at the regex you nicked from izaya to figure out why it's eating the : in corded messages
L15[01:06:40] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "take a propaganda at the regex you nicked from izaya to figure out why it's eating the : in corded messages" in 12h at 04/29/2021 01:06:39 PM
L16[01:08:14] <Amanda> %remindme 12h30m or maybe it's weechat doing it
L17[01:08:15] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "or maybe it's weechat doing it" in 12h30m at 04/29/2021 01:38:14 PM
L18[01:35:01] <bad at​ vijya> i have an idea for a thing i wanna make in space engineers, modding-wise
L19[01:35:42] <bad at​ vijya> more reactors 👀
L20[01:35:43] <Ariri> inb4 its a weapon of mass destruction
L21[01:35:49] <Ariri> close enough
L22[01:36:23] <bad at​ vijya> modular reactors
L23[01:36:41] <bad at​ vijya> build your own reactor cores and turbines and whanot
L24[01:36:56] <Ariri> I think someone made something like that, but not sure how complex it is or if it's still updated
L25[01:37:05] <Ariri> idr anything about turbines though
L26[01:42:04] <bad at​ vijya> 😔 the hard part will be models
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L28[01:45:42] <sosigs> hello?
L29[01:45:58] <bad at​ vijya> quick, everybody stay silent
L30[01:46:01] <Ar​iri> ok
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L33[02:15:51] <Va​ur> %sip
L34[02:15:52] <MichiBot> You drink an oxidised ferozium potion (New!). Vaur falls into a shaft and drop 4 floors!
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L37[03:54:35] * Amanda gently lifts Elfi onto her nose, deposits her into her floof, curls up around and zzzmews
L38[03:54:43] <Amanda> Night nerds
L39[04:19:49] <Amanda> %remindme 8h investigate why some builds failed in hydra
L40[04:19:49] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "investigate why some builds failed in hydra" in 8h at 04/29/2021 12:19:49 PM
L41[04:20:11] * Amanda drapes her tail over Elfi, actually zzzmews now that she's caught up on her alerts
L42[04:34:55] <Izaya> Amanda: I noticed that but don't care enough to investigate
L43[04:46:22] <MichiBot> Ariri REMINDER: start on the timelines maybe?
L44[05:57:11] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L45[05:57:11] <MichiBot> Darn! Compan​ionCube! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 4 hours, 56 minutes and 47 seconds (By 14 minutes and 46 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L46[05:57:12] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.944071. Position #1
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L48[06:54:22] <Va​ur> %tonk
L49[06:54:22] <MichiBot> Golly! Va​ur! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 57 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L50[06:54:23] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 57 minutes and 10 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00095 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.03272207 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L51[06:54:41] <Va​ur> %sip
L52[06:54:42] <MichiBot> You drink a powdery sky potion (New!). Vaur's nails turn silver until the next time they hug someone.
L53[07:03:17] <Ar​iri> @bad at vijya https://youtu.be/bb3G4_OLQyU
L54[07:03:17] <MichiBot> Missile Warning | length: 18s | Likes: 10,230 Dislikes: 62 Views: 137,003 | by Atomic Dude | Published On 28/4/2021
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L71[11:18:57] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L72[11:18:58] <MichiBot> Yay! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 57 minutes and 10 seconds (By 3 hours, 27 minutes and 24 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L73[11:18:59] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 4 hours, 24 minutes and 35 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00346 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.16852462 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L78[12:19:50] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: investigate why some builds failed in hydra
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L81[13:06:40] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: take a propaganda at the regex you nicked from izaya to figure out why it's eating the : in corded messages
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L83[13:38:15] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: or maybe it's weechat doing it
L84[13:39:19] * Amanda groggily stares at MichiBot
L85[13:39:28] <Amanda> I was having a nice dream, damnit
L86[13:39:39] <Amanda> Damn you past-amanda
L87[13:44:07] <Forec​aster> maybe you shouldn't let you ping yourself when you're sleeping
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L90[13:46:40] * Amanda was dreaming she had to cuddle an alien who accidentally sent herself and her brother beffore first-contact, because they need non-romantic/sexual cuddles to use their powers.
L91[13:47:40] <Amanda> Also there were train spirits that stole resources from the local villagers who thought it was me
L92[13:49:29] <Amanda> Oh hey, Space Haven alpha 12 is in experimental now. \o/
L93[13:49:41] <Amanda> logistics robots here I come
L94[13:50:06] <Amanda> %choose do the investigation past-amanda wanted or spaaace
L95[13:50:07] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Elementary dear Watson, "do the investigation past-amanda wanted" is the obvious choice!
L96[13:55:11] <Amanda> Can someone on the discord side send a message place?
L97[13:55:19] <Amanda> please*
L98[13:56:52] <Amanda> %oclogs
L99[13:56:53] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/?dir=logs/%23oc
L100[13:56:55] <st​e48> nope
L101[13:57:19] <Amanda> Welp, I broke it entirley.:D
L102[13:57:37] <stephan48> :D
L103[13:57:49] <Amanda> sed another?
L104[13:57:53] <st​e48> maybe
L105[13:58:03] <stephan48> 29.155753 <+Corded> <st​e48> maybe
L106[13:58:06] <Amanda> Well, I see that now, can you send :D thrhrough discord
L107[13:58:13] <st​e48> :D
L108[13:58:17] <Amanda> perfect
L109[13:58:43] <Amanda> Izaya: it's the script's fault. in the return for msg_cb add a : before `{text}`
L110[13:58:52] <Izaya> aaah
L111[13:58:56] <st​e48> this is a test with a couple ":" sprinkled in just so Amanda can test why her regexes filter ":" out :D
L112[13:58:57] <Izaya> I'll look into it later
L113[13:59:01] <Amanda> ( Apparently the preceeding : is also nessary )
L114[13:59:12] <Amanda> ( removing that is what caused it to stop working entirley )
L115[13:59:29] <stephan48> send a couple more ":"
L116[13:59:49] <Amanda> It wasn't the regex, actually, it was the script talking to weechat wrong
L117[13:59:56] <i_develo​p_things> ::::::::(:(:(::::
L118[14:00:00] <Izaya> https://assets.octodon.social/media_attachments/files/106/146/120/772/341/992/original/b8deea2134a03ba8.jpg
L119[14:00:03] <Amanda> ( BUt wrong in way tht it'd not beobvious that it was wrong )
L120[14:00:33] <Amanda> Right, now to check hydra
L121[14:01:11] <Amanda> Hrm
L122[14:01:12] <stephan48> your Continous (Dis)Integration System?
L123[14:02:15] <Amanda> Hrm.
L124[14:02:18] <dequbed> stephan48: Hey! :D
L125[14:02:28] <stephan48> hey dequbed!
L126[14:02:55] <Izaya> if ARK would stop crashing my GPU drivers that'd be great
L127[14:02:55] <dequbed> stephan48: Don't you hate it when your software slows down because it hits L3 cache too much in it's hot path? :P
L128[14:03:03] <Izaya> no I will not disable my 266Mhz overclock
L129[14:03:47] * Izaya burns
L130[14:03:48] <stephan48> dequbed: sure, sounds like a real problem.... one which i never even bothered or had the pleasure to debug :D
L131[14:04:02] <Izaya> dequbed: just get more cache
L132[14:04:13] <stephan48> currently looking slightly annoyed at this ever boosting ryzen 3600
L133[14:04:15] <dequbed> Izaya: Funnily enough, that's the "solution"
L134[14:04:32] <dequbed> stephan48: Anyway, wanna hear about my latest project? 0:3
L135[14:04:42] <stephan48> l3 is usually the shared cache between cpu cores/dies?
L136[14:04:47] <stephan48> sure they are always fun :D
L137[14:04:49] <Izaya> daaaaamn the PPC 7450 has like 4M of cache
L138[14:04:56] <Kristo​pher38> don't know if anyone said this already but for some reason webhook avatars are broken
L139[14:05:18] <stephan48> l1 being per core, l2 shared by adjacent cores(same die) i think
L140[14:05:21] <Izaya> maybe instead of running Lua on the eMac under Linux I'll run it on bare metal entirely in cache
L141[14:05:29] <Kristo​pher38> when you post on irc and I see it on discord, your avatars are default discord avatar
L142[14:05:37] <ThePi​Guy24> ^
L143[14:05:41] <dequbed> stephan48: It is. In this case the problem is that a lot of locking has to happen and you can either do that via L1/L2 and invalidating writes or via syncing on L3. Both are tradeoffs in terms of read/write speed compared to each other.
L144[14:05:50] <Kristo​pher38> makes it really hard to differentiate between people
L145[14:05:51] * Izaya never set an avatar fwiw
L146[14:06:13] <Kristo​pher38> Izaya: at least you had the first letter of your nickname as your avatar, and a distinct color
L147[14:06:16] <Corded> * <st​e48> does not even have the feature on showing avatar icons next to the message
L148[14:06:19] <ThePi​Guy24> yeah that
L149[14:06:36] <Kristo​pher38> letter was on a distinct background*
L150[14:07:01] <Kristo​pher38> all I see now is https://tinyurl.com/yj8swh7t
L151[14:07:25] <dequbed> stephan48: Anyway, two current projects. One is me conn'ing the German Federal Guvernment and next up the EU and a few banks into paying me to write FOSS software I would have written anyway and the other one is literal money printing using <mumble mumble NDA> crypto :'D
L152[14:07:52] <stephan48> i am waiting on a new pi 4 8gb so i can virtualize my homeassistant on it.. and then the current home for HA will be my new beside pi4 replacing a pi3 :D it will use a tpm and a HSM to allow cron jobs to obtain ssh certificates securely
L153[14:08:16] <dequbed> stephan48: Why no NVIDIA Jetson / -"- Nano?
L154[14:08:22] <stephan48> dequbed: uhhh conning govs sounds awesome
L155[14:09:11] <Amanda> %remindme 24h check if https://nixpk.gs/pr-tracker.html?pr=121093 is ready, if so update nix repo.
L156[14:09:12] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "check if https://nixpk.gs/pr-tracker.html?pr=121093 is ready, if so update nix repo." in 24h at 04/30/2021 02:09:11 PM
L157[14:09:49] <dequbed> The latter one is the "Wait shit L3 cache is too slow" program. It's rare that my job is "make this piece of software as fast as possible, money is *not* an issue". I love those kinda jobs :3
L158[14:09:52] <Amanda> If it's not ready then, I'll do a manual update to use master fr that
L159[14:10:00] <stephan48> :D
L160[14:10:17] <stephan48> working for banks or with crypto miners?
L161[14:10:20] <Amanda> now: Logistics robots! Wonder if I'll have to start over again
L162[14:10:32] <stephan48> hrm, jetson nano is squal in price to the pi4 8tb. has only 2 gb, so not usefull for replacing the 4gb one.. on the bedside where i will need less performance i kind of have space constraints
L163[14:11:12] <stephan48> also it has no DSI for display it seems
L164[14:11:29] <dequbed> stephan48: I can neither confirm or deny any details on that currently. NDA and all that. I can only give you the same offer to give you an evening of details on optimizing software in 6 or so months
L165[14:11:41] <stephan48> ;D
L166[14:12:06] <stephan48> dequbed: so basically you are now at a point where you run around in assembler trying to beat the last bit of performance out of cpus?
L167[14:12:13] <Amanda> %choose continue with the HSS Sapphic Pride or start a new save
L168[14:12:14] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I've learned anything in life it's that you always pick "continue with the HSS Sapphic Pride"
L169[14:13:37] <dequbed> stephan48: Actually at the moment I'm still able to get performance in high level code (Rust specifically). The starting point wasn't exactly optimized. But the "Fuck that noise, NASM it is" point is not far off.
L170[14:13:54] <stephan48> same offer? what! after your share of money is printed that knowledge won't be worth anythign anymore :D my main problem is that i am less of a dev/hardware guy both more the ops noob. i know about dev/Hardware and co. through.. so real optimization of scripting stuff is rarely in the books.
L171[14:13:59] * stephan48 nods
L172[14:14:29] <stephan48> but i always like to listen to other peoples ramblings, if not for the idea where to ask next time i get into that problem domain
L173[14:14:31] <dequbed> And I'm pretty sure the Jetson has DSI and not only that but you can actually use it because it's documented, contrary to the Pi.
L174[14:15:11] <dequbed> stephan48: "Same offer" because I told Kristopher38 the same. If you're not planning into getting into software engineering then it's not that useful though.
L175[14:15:35] <stephan48> ah
L176[14:15:40] <stephan48> :D
L177[14:18:41] <dequbed> stephan48: Unrelated but if you manage to get the Pi's DSI working with a non-Pi-Foundation screen please tell me about it, I need that for a Project of mine
L178[14:18:53] <stephan48> ah right i only have it with a foundation screen
L179[14:19:02] <stephan48> and a hdmi one on my primary workdesk
L180[14:19:41] <stephan48> so i can have the pi somewhere else... mainly the GPIO breakout cable not dangling from the wall mount
L181[14:20:02] <stephan48> what does not work?
L182[14:20:27] <dequbed> Pff just use DSI over coax ;)
L183[14:21:00] <stephan48> and yes the jetson nano has DSI, i dont know what picture this amazon.de seller used and why the crap they avertise 2GB... while nvidia says the board is only available with 4GB
L184[14:21:22] <dequbed> With DSI and 3rd party screens? AFAICT the configuration of the DSI IP in the BCM is completely undocumented if you don't give Broadcom a few million. So it's not "doesn't work", it's a "you can't configure it because you have no idea how"
L185[14:21:26] <stephan48> i looked up the only DSI-on-the-pi-like connector i could find and it told me it was for a camera
L186[14:22:08] <stephan48> so either it has the exact some specs as the pi screen or you are crapped
L187[14:22:34] <stephan48> yea that annoys me too... the closedness of the platform
L188[14:23:12] <dequbed> Pretty much. I'd like to invest time in that just to spite Broadcom but that doesn't pay the bills.
L189[14:23:36] <dequbed> stephan48: Hey, say ... do you wanna piss of a large multinational corp for shits and giggles? :3
L190[14:23:47] <stephan48> ideally i would like a secureboot capable SBC with a tpm2 for this project... except for development, make it boot securely into a readonly FDE fs and do its job.
L191[14:24:01] <stephan48> yes but it does not pay my bills
L192[14:24:11] <stephan48> might even mean bad job security
L193[14:26:07] <dequbed> stephan48: Yeah, saaaame. Anyway you could probably hook up a TPM to this thing if you really wanted: https://beagleboard.org/beaglev ;)
L194[14:26:46] <Elfi> Yeah, the DSI spec is a clusterfuck, and is only electrical--there is no mechanical specification, every pinout's different
L195[14:27:20] <stephan48> yea
L196[14:28:04] <dequbed> And it's not available for non-MIPI members. Memberships start at 5 figure annually iirc.
L197[14:28:16] <stephan48> doing that with the pi now. ultimatively this might move to a small PC allowing me said shenanigans, but that is overkill.
L198[14:28:17] <Elfi> It's a shame, really, a better-defined spec would've given the Pi a lot better tools than, say... *waves SPI screen that can't actually go fast enough to drive itself*
L199[14:29:06] <dequbed> I mean the Pi at least has DPI if you're fine with losing all of your IO pins.
L200[14:29:21] <stephan48> DPI?
L201[14:29:30] <stephan48> from the original idea the pi was nice... but sadly it kind of outlived its time. the focus is not there to make it a open platform.
L202[14:29:49] <dequbed> Parallel display interface. Basically direct serial pixel (RGB) data.
L203[14:29:54] <stephan48> there are not much alternatives through if you want a similar specced SoC
L204[14:29:57] <Elfi> Well, direct parallel
L205[14:30:07] <Elfi> It uses the majority of your GPIO pins to drive itself
L206[14:30:42] <dequbed> Serial in that each pixel is sent after another, you have dedicated vsync and hsync pins.
L207[14:30:51] <Elfi> Yeah
L208[14:31:24] <Elfi> I do wonder if the DPI spec is flexible enough to pull the least significant bits low without much trouble, or double them up
L209[14:32:24] <dequbed> You can get proper 60 FPS, 24-bit colour VGA video out of that if you do the traces right. But you rarely find screens or chips that like to work with it for higher than VGA resoultion.
L210[14:32:26] <stephan48> the cat complained to me... apparently i left stuff on the sill over the radiator.. and it was not warm enough for her comfort.
L211[14:32:37] <stephan48> she litterally growled.
L212[14:34:39] <dequbed> Well treat your cat better :p
L213[14:35:33] <dequbed> Our cat got his food microwaved to be up to temp.
L214[14:36:23] <dequbed> To be fair, that was mostly because he'd gobble it down no matter what and if we didn't microwave it he got hiccups.
L215[14:55:37] <Forec​aster> `"New solar-panelled pavement to be trialed in Barcelona"`
L216[14:56:33] <Forec​aster> it continues!
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L218[15:42:08] <dequbed> stephan48: unrelated sidenote but when this pandemic is over you should come visit and bring stuff to throw under the SEM. It gets boring only doing Si structures :P
L219[15:43:58] <stephan48> SEM? Si? :D
L220[15:44:04] <stephan48> where is over again? Hessen?
L221[15:44:13] <stephan48> i need a map :D
L222[15:44:20] <dequbed> Rasterlektronenmikroskop, Silicon Semiconductors and Berlin ;)
L223[15:44:24] <stephan48> ahh
L224[15:44:29] <stephan48> almost close then!
L225[15:44:30] <stephan48> :D
L226[15:44:58] <stephan48> its not too far from Hamburg
L227[15:47:12] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L228[15:47:13] <MichiBot> By my throth! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 4 hours, 24 minutes and 35 seconds (By 3 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L229[15:47:14] <MichiBot> Va​ur has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.003 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.91984893. Position #2 Need 0.02422207 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L231[15:53:57] <stephan48> dequbed: do you have that at home or is it in the workplace?
L232[16:05:49] <dequbed> stephan48: Neiter :P
L233[16:06:06] <dequbed> It's at a makerspace I'm was shanghai'd into building.
L234[16:06:18] <dequbed> I don't quite have the space at home for a SEM ... yet.
L235[16:06:48] <stephan48> shanghai'd?
L236[16:07:24] <stephan48> nice to see a shared space for such tools, usually they are not cheap or easy to aquire/access. through i guess you will need a introduction to it anyway to use it
L237[16:08:46] <dequbed> Do you know that when you hang out in a place and do stuff and then someday somebody goes "yeah for that ask dequbed she knows how that works" and the next thing you know you get an inventory sticker and headpats and are now part of the staff? yeah, kinda like that.
L238[16:09:04] <stephan48> ;D
L239[16:09:09] <stephan48> yes
L240[16:10:05] <dequbed> I have been inventory stickered three times now q.q
L241[16:10:26] <stephan48> by the same people? or atleast different stickers?
L242[16:10:45] <Kristo​pher38> mfw I moved to a big city, part of me wanted to attend the local hackerspace, but then the pandemic hit
L243[16:11:03] <stephan48> i am attracting gameserver and strange LDAP folks somehow.
L244[16:11:19] <dequbed> Do not remind me about LDAP please q.q
L245[16:11:31] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 do it!
L246[16:11:45] <Kristo​pher38> I mean, when it's all over, sure
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L248[16:13:15] <Kristo​pher38> though by the time this end I'll probably get my own scope T_T
L249[16:13:21] <stephan48> ;D that why i seem to attract these things. nobody wants to do that.
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L251[16:13:58] <stephan48> i might end up changing jobs again, which should give me much more free time when the pandemic is over
L252[16:13:59] <Kristo​pher38> ends*
L253[16:13:59] <dequbed> stephan48: It's not that I don't do LDAP. It's that I do way too much LDAP already.
L254[16:16:23] <stephan48> a colleague showed me our "giftschrank"(poisonshelf) whe i joined the company
L255[16:17:10] <stephan48> basically a longish list of stuff everybody hates... LDAP, VOIP, HTTP, various other things. and i was like... yea why do you have all the nice things but are missing the word "Printers" on there?
L256[16:17:16] <stephan48> they looked at me quite weirdly
L257[16:17:59] <dequbed> Don't tell me you like Printers? <.<
L258[16:18:20] <stephan48> no... thats why i told them that i am missing Printers on that list
L259[16:18:53] <stephan48> everything else you can handle but Printers? damn it... a colleague once told me... everytime i have to touch a printer it takes a blood toll of me.
L260[16:18:59] <dequbed> Good. I was debating performing an exorcism on you if you were to like printers.
L261[16:19:04] <stephan48> ;D
L262[16:19:14] <stephan48> granted he was the guy who took them apart and cleaned them inside out but....
L263[16:19:24] <stephan48> you dont have to tell that bit
L264[16:20:17] <stephan48> if the printer is lighter than me... its probably gonna annoy me... because it might be my responsibility.. if its heavier than me... we probably have a support contract for it and I can tell everyone asking to call someone else \o/
L265[16:20:44] <stephan48> the result=never have a office printer in my vicinity!
L266[16:21:43] <stephan48> the only exception to that role what that 150kg koycera beast which printed the medical letters and bills. but its was so damn reliable they could not even screw up filling the 2k paper into it
L267[16:56:32] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L268[16:56:32] <MichiBot> Yeah! Compan​ionCube! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 9 minutes and 19 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L269[16:56:33] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 1 hour, 9 minutes and 19 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00116 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L270[17:03:44] <CompanionCube> stephan48: how strange are the LDAP folks
L271[17:03:52] <bad at​ vijya> god i hate printers
L272[17:20:33] <stephan48> CompanionCube: they exist!
L273[17:20:40] * stephan48 looks at his mirror
L274[17:46:28] <Amanda> %choose hallway; central or ends or central and ends
L275[17:46:29] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: central and ends hallway
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L280[18:32:20] <immibis> %help choose
L281[18:32:34] <immibis> %choose foo or bar; baz or quux
L282[18:32:34] <MichiBot> imm​ibis: quux foo or bar
L283[18:32:41] <immibis> %choose foo; bar; baz or quux
L284[18:32:41] <MichiBot> imm​ibis: What?!
L285[18:33:00] <immibis> that's an odd feature
L286[18:34:56] <Forec​aster> %choose what, $; yes it is! or no it isn't!
L287[18:34:57] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: what, yes it is
L288[18:35:27] <Forec​aster> huh, missed the exclamation mark, interesting
L289[18:42:48] <n​il> %choose what $1? $2!; the fuck or the hell; idk or uh...
L290[18:42:48] <MichiBot> n​il: What?!
L291[18:44:15] <n​il> yeah, what
L292[18:44:43] <Forec​aster> you can't have multiple semi-colons
L293[19:29:00] <Sagh​etti> &choose ;;
L294[19:29:07] <Sagh​etti> %choose ;;
L295[19:29:08] <MichiBot> Sagh​etti: No, maybe tomorrow.
L296[19:29:10] <Sagh​etti> ok
L297[19:52:33] <Ecm​aXp> Will OpenPython2 run based on embedded Linux?
L298[19:54:09] <idkma​nwhat> i seen some people talking about oc2
L299[19:54:25] <idkma​nwhat> is that some sort of joke
L300[19:54:30] <idkma​nwhat> or an actual mod
L301[19:54:43] <Ecm​aXp> an actual mod base on Sangar's work
L302[19:54:43] <idkma​nwhat> since i dont think oc gonna be ported to 1.16
L303[19:54:54] <Ecm​aXp> https://github.com/fnuecke/oc2
L304[19:54:55] <idkma​nwhat> has it improved any bit
L305[19:54:56] <Ecm​aXp> :blobcat:
L306[19:55:10] <idkma​nwhat> since when i saw it
L307[19:55:13] <Forec​aster> not "based on", it is sangars work
L308[19:55:22] <idkma​nwhat> it was pretty bare bones
L309[19:55:48] <idkma​nwhat> can you use the computers in that oc2
L310[19:55:57] <Ecm​aXp> If the wording wasn't correct, it's usually because Google Translator still doesn't work well.
L311[19:57:23] <Ecm​aXp> I've found several works, and if my predictions are correct, I'm expecting embedded Linux (with additional work from Sangar) in OC2.
L312[19:57:49] <idkma​nwhat> so in future we could make oc2 run dos
L313[19:57:54] <idkma​nwhat> like actual dos
L314[19:57:58] <idkma​nwhat> msdos
L315[19:57:58] <Ecm​aXp> I no longer have to struggle to use Python on OC.
L316[19:58:10] <Ecm​aXp> (~ develop plugin mod)
L317[19:58:27] <idkma​nwhat> i hope oc2 can produce 3d
L318[19:58:36] <idkma​nwhat> for windows 3.0 era
L319[19:58:45] <idkma​nwhat> in future
L320[19:59:13] <Ecm​aXp> The CPU architecture is RISC-V based and may require more work than expected.
L321[19:59:21] <i_develo​p_things> OC2 is RISC-V, so no DOS unless you write one
L322[19:59:32] <Ecm​aXp> Yes, so sad.
L323[19:59:44] <idkma​nwhat> embedded linux can run emulated dos
L324[20:00:15] <Ecm​aXp> emulated embedded linux will emulated dos
L325[20:00:30] <Ecm​aXp> :blobcatgoogly:
L326[20:01:18] <i_develo​p_things> idk if it has the RAM for that
L327[20:01:34] <idkma​nwhat> well it does have for asie emulator
L328[20:01:39] <idkma​nwhat> oc
L329[20:01:55] <idkma​nwhat> the 8088 emulator for oc is kinda broken
L330[20:02:54] <i_develo​p_things> the 8086 emulator for OC is written in Lua but OC2 emulates a RISC-V CPU so you can run whatever on it
L331[20:02:55] <i_develo​p_things> mostly
L332[20:04:05] <idkma​nwhat> idevelopthings but the 8086 wont even run on Oc computers
L333[20:04:21] <idkma​nwhat> the directories are probably destroyed
L334[20:04:34] <i_develo​p_things> gotta create them, it's a bit jank
L335[20:04:55] <idkma​nwhat> ?
L336[20:05:01] <Ecm​aXp> ?
L337[20:05:22] <idkma​nwhat> ah so you have to compile for it to work
L338[20:05:37] <i_develo​p_things> no
L339[20:05:44] <i_develo​p_things> you just have to make the correct directories
L340[20:06:21] <idkma​nwhat> im too dumb for that
L341[20:09:35] <Ecm​aXp> Anyway, if I can actually use OpenComputer2, I need to create a CPython library or patch for builtin libraries
L342[20:10:07] <idkma​nwhat> ecma
L343[20:10:13] <Ecm​aXp> yes?
L344[20:10:33] <idkma​nwhat> since its based of risc-v architecture would stuff online written for risc-v work on the oc2 computers
L345[20:11:02] <Ecm​aXp> yes
L346[20:11:32] <Ecm​aXp> So I don't have to develop add-on mods anymore. (like OpenPython)
L347[20:11:43] <Ecm​aXp> So I don't need to develop add-on mods anymore. (like OpenPython) [Edited]
L348[20:11:46] <idkma​nwhat> https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/riscv_fpga/attachments/slides/3992/export/events/attachments/riscv_fpga/slides/3992/fosdem20.pdf
L349[20:13:36] <Ecm​aXp> https://github.com/buildroot/buildroot/blob/master/package/python3
L350[20:15:04] <idkma​nwhat> the embedded linux is a downgrade from openOs
L351[20:15:36] <Ecm​aXp> what is mean "downgrade"
L352[20:15:47] <Ecm​aXp> low level? or anything else
L353[20:16:53] <idkma​nwhat> embedded linux is mainly used for special purpose devices
L354[20:17:34] <idkma​nwhat> https://tinyurl.com/yfuv22yr
L355[20:18:54] <Ecm​aXp> I don't think there is any reason why python won't work unless it's compileable, disk and memory constraints.
L356[20:19:44] <idkma​nwhat> yea
L357[20:19:48] <idkma​nwhat> for that
L358[20:20:11] <idkma​nwhat> but games are mainly made on general purpose computers
L359[20:20:36] <idkma​nwhat> it will be alot harder to port stuff from opencomputers to opencomputers 2
L360[20:20:36] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L361[20:21:02] <Ecm​aXp> That's probably why we need a RISC-V emulator.
L362[20:21:28] <idkma​nwhat> risc-v is at raspberry pi level
L363[20:21:37] <Ecm​aXp> I am most likely not porting micropython to OC2. We already provide a way to build the latest CPython as a package in buildroot.
L364[20:21:59] <Ecm​aXp> raspbeery pi can run python3 enough
L365[20:22:01] <Ecm​aXp> :blobcat:
L366[20:22:13] <idkma​nwhat> embbeded linux is mainly for like machines etc
L367[20:22:25] <Ecm​aXp> yes
L368[20:23:10] <idkma​nwhat> idk why they picked risc-v for oc2 and not arm
L369[20:23:25] <idkma​nwhat> well for others
L370[20:23:31] <idkma​nwhat> its not that big of a issue
L371[20:23:37] <i_develo​p_things> risc-v is easier to emulate or something, perhaps
L372[20:24:15] <idkma​nwhat> https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=0903a1a109a46b6e5&q=https://www.sysgo.com/press-releases/sysgo-adds-risc-v-support-to-its-pikeos-real-time-operating-system&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjtl9SepKTwAhVCtIsKHYG8BZcQFjAGegQIARAC&usg=AOvVaw3ck9HntJSyXGrjXzpOa6UI
L373[20:24:20] <idkma​nwhat> found thid
L374[20:24:52] <Ecm​aXp> I'm also a bit sad that ARM wasn't chosen, but if (embedded) Linux is ported there won't be any better news.
L375[20:25:13] <idkma​nwhat> linux made for industrial machines
L376[20:26:52] <idkma​nwhat> well people tried to add arm architecture to oc
L377[20:26:56] <Ecm​aXp> Think of all the computers in the game as industrial machines. They work with limited resources.
L378[20:26:57] <Vampyre> RISC-V is open source, arm is not. that might have been an influence
L379[20:27:36] <idkma​nwhat> >초록​상자: Think of all the computers in the game as i…
L380[20:27:36] <idkma​nwhat> well i guess people will make games for oc2
L381[20:28:03] <Ecm​aXp> I believe most of the Lua code will also work on OpenComputer2.
L382[20:28:19] <CompanionCube> RISC-V is simpler than ARM
L383[20:28:35] <i_develo​p_things> > easier to emulate
L384[20:29:09] <Ecm​aXp> Thumb, a subset of ARM, is much easier to implement. I've ported the emulator to several languages.
L385[20:29:34] <i_develo​p_things> also i think sangar had already written a RISC-V emulator
L386[20:30:14] <Ecm​aXp> Yes, it has already passed all of the RISC-V test cases, so don't worry any more.
L387[20:30:28] <idkma​nwhat> risc-v is relativly new
L388[20:30:48] <Ecm​aXp> What I'm worried about now is performance (Because JIT is missing) and how much more memory I have to give.
L389[20:31:08] <Ecm​aXp> Probably expect to eat more memory compared to OC1.
L390[20:31:19] <idkma​nwhat> ecma it will most likely
L391[20:31:36] <idkma​nwhat> its based of an actual cpu architecture
L392[20:31:38] <Ecm​aXp> In my prediction, more than 16 megabytes conservatively
L393[20:33:24] <i_develo​p_things> actually i think it works with 8MB or so
L394[20:33:26] <i_develo​p_things> might be 16 tho
L395[20:34:21] <idkma​nwhat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el6CB-h9Lo0
L396[20:34:22] <MichiBot> NES on a 64Bit RISC-V Sipeed MAIX | length: 9m 30s | Likes: 841 Dislikes: 39 Views: 39,226 | by EEVblog2 | Published On 11/3/2019
L397[20:34:23] <CompanionCube> well apparently the memory goes 'up to' 256M per device
L398[20:34:24] <Ecm​aXp> CPython's memory usage is around 4 megabytes.
L399[20:34:46] <idkma​nwhat> since oc2 is based on risc-v
L400[20:34:47] <CompanionCube> and there's a limit of memory used for the whole set of machines
L401[20:34:51] <idkma​nwhat> then this should work
L402[20:35:04] <idkma​nwhat> nes emulator
L403[20:35:21] <Ecm​aXp> Maybe 256M per device is should enough to run everything
L404[20:35:35] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/fnuecke/oc2/blob/1.16.5/src/main/java/li/cil/oc2/common/Config.java
L405[20:36:10] <idkma​nwhat> 256mb per oc2 computer
L406[20:36:11] <idkma​nwhat> ?
L407[20:36:21] <idkma​nwhat> now thats a nice improvement
L408[20:36:27] <Ecm​aXp> It seems like 512 MB
L409[20:36:32] <Ecm​aXp> but this is hard limit
L410[20:36:36] <idkma​nwhat> half a gb
L411[20:37:01] <Ecm​aXp> If many computers are running in-game, they will eat up a lot of server memory.
L412[20:37:13] <Ecm​aXp> :blobnom:
L413[20:37:25] <idkma​nwhat> thats because its emulating an entire architecture
L414[20:37:45] <CompanionCube> EcmaXp: probably the reason for a all-machines limit
L415[20:37:46] <idkma​nwhat> >초록​상자: If many computers are running in-game, they…
L416[20:37:47] <idkma​nwhat> mineOS could benefit from this
L417[20:37:59] <idkma​nwhat> if they ported it to oc2
L418[20:38:00] <Ecm​aXp> My server has 64 gigabytes of physical memory, so I'm not worried about it, but I'm worried about other servers.
L419[20:38:23] <idkma​nwhat> oc2 will eat up alot of ram
L420[20:38:23] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L421[20:39:29] <CompanionCube> since there's no documentation, anyone go find out what the default size is?
L422[20:39:37] <Ecm​aXp> I don't know how much memory each individual memory item will give the computer.
L423[20:40:05] <idkma​nwhat> ecma
L424[20:40:13] <Ecm​aXp> https://github.com/fnuecke/oc2/blob/dd47da12d5ff4e61426206ea62a1dfc293db8773/src/main/java/li/cil/oc2/common/item/Items.java#L41-L46
L425[20:40:18] <Ecm​aXp> 2, 4, 8 MB
L426[20:40:48] <idkma​nwhat> the computers would be still limited to 16mb
L427[20:41:16] <idkma​nwhat> the 2mb is the lowest tier and 8mb is highest
L428[20:41:46] <Ecm​aXp> server computer will have 32mb?
L429[20:41:52] <idkma​nwhat> i guess
L430[20:41:53] <Ecm​aXp> because more memory slots
L431[20:42:11] <idkma​nwhat> creative ram is probably 16 or 32
L432[20:43:51] <Ecm​aXp> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/motixaxeji
L433[20:44:20] <idkma​nwhat> probably couple kb or 1mb
L434[20:44:32] <idkma​nwhat> something like the commodore 64
L435[20:44:36] <idkma​nwhat> or 128
L436[20:44:51] <idkma​nwhat> or altair 8008
L437[20:45:12] <Ecm​aXp> Is the whole Linux running? Or do I need to prepare a flashable image.
L438[20:45:26] <i_develo​p_things> it comes with linux
L439[20:45:40] <Ecm​aXp> with basic rootfs?
L440[20:45:41] <i_develo​p_things> on a disk that you can put into the computer
L441[20:45:43] <i_develo​p_things> yes
L442[20:45:50] <i_develo​p_things> each computer has 4 RAM slots
L443[20:46:07] <Ecm​aXp> i mean microcontrollers
L444[20:46:11] <Ecm​aXp> T_T
L445[20:46:57] <i_develo​p_things> there are none
L446[20:47:09] <Ecm​aXp> missing or not developed yet
L447[20:47:29] <i_develo​p_things> just computers, robots, disk drives, some energy things, and some basic networking things
L448[20:48:32] <Ecm​aXp> It would be nice if microcontrollers were added later.
L449[20:49:14] <Ecm​aXp> Or blocks that can be operated remotely
L450[20:51:13] <Ecm​aXp> Once the mod is sufficiently developed, I will develop it to be able to call opencomputer devices from Python.
L451[20:51:40] <i_develo​p_things> you probably could already, idk
L452[20:51:42] <Ecm​aXp> I think I can forget about micropython for a while.
L453[20:52:59] <Ecm​aXp> Just like OC Lua provides a robots or sides library, I should do that too.
L454[20:53:11] <Ecm​aXp> or Lua <-> Python interop
L455[20:54:40] <Ecm​aXp> 🌞 is rising. I think I should sleep for a while before it's too late.
L456[20:54:49] <Ecm​aXp> :blobsleeping:
L457[20:55:20] <Ecm​aXp> :blobsleeping: :ac_daydreaming: :python: :BongoBlob:
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L459[21:14:54] <Va​ur> %tonk
L460[21:14:55] <MichiBot> Fiddlesticks! Va​ur! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of 1 hour, 9 minutes and 19 seconds (By 3 hours, 9 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L461[21:14:56] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 4 hours, 18 minutes and 22 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0063 (0.00315 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.01908207 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L463[21:35:44] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yhs8y7kr
L464[21:35:44] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/ygd7zv6h
L465[21:35:49] <bad at​ vijya> laser emplacement prototype
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L467[21:41:20] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L468[21:41:20] <MichiBot> You fling an oxidised moonstone potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. An incredibly fake looking mustache is stuck to Amanda's face until Sozin's Comet returns.
L469[21:42:09] * Amanda glares at Inari
L470[21:43:39] * Inari chuckles becuase the mustache looks silly on Amanda
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L473[23:08:19] <Amanda> %sip antidote
L474[23:08:20] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Amanda reverts to their original state before any potions.
L475[23:08:34] * Amanda snugs back up around Elfi, purrs softly
L476[23:24:25] <Ariri> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/04/algorithms-were-under-fire-at-a-senate-hearing-on-social-media/
L477[23:24:30] <Ariri> cc Izaya
L478[23:29:16] <Amanda> %choose code or irradiate and space
L479[23:29:17] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Pretty sure I'd want you to go with "irradiate and space"!
L480[23:40:14] * Amanda beams another slice of Shoo-fly pie infront of herself, and some for Elfi as well, should she want some
L481[23:55:38] ⇦ Quits: ben_mkiv|afk (~ben_mkiv@2001:16b8:1eb7:2b00:3198:b11a:6868:fda0) (Ping timeout: 189 seconds)
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