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L1[00:10:59] <Shuud​oushi> %tonk
L2[00:11:00] <MichiBot> Gadsbudlikins! Shuud​oushi! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 9 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L3[00:11:01] <MichiBot> Shuudoushi's new record is 1 hour, 9 minutes and 10 seconds! Shuudoushi also gained 0.00115 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #9 => #7. (Overtook Ocawesome101) Need 0.00252 more points to pass deq​ubed!
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L6[00:27:36] <Inari> Gotta say
L7[00:27:38] <Inari> I hate the nether
L8[00:27:49] <Izaya> the twilight forest is better
L9[00:28:07] <Izaya> actually, know what I like much better than the nether? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17096
L10[00:28:31] <Inari> finding a nether fortress is just a PITA, and the new biomes don't help
L11[00:30:09] <Inari> Izaya: that sounds neat
L12[00:30:26] <Ariri> Making nether tunnels in vanilla with that basalt biome is also a PITA
L13[00:31:16] <Inari> In fact, I just hate any moment in minecraft that has you find something with the only guidance being "idk, walk around, lol"
L14[00:32:21] <Va​ur> %sip
L15[00:32:23] <MichiBot> You drink a sour chocolate potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus! Vaur hears a maniacal laugh as their cursor flips upside down!
L16[00:34:31] <Shuud​oushi> Inari: likewise...
L17[00:36:05] <Inari> Like searching 3 hours for a stupid swamp biome for slime
L18[00:36:05] <Inari> xD
L19[00:36:16] ⇦ Quits: Inari (~Pinkishu@p4fd95f74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)
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L21[00:51:23] <herbert_west> Hi @vaur
L22[00:51:34] <Ar​iri> Took me a second to realize it wasn’t a good blender + green screen
L23[00:51:57] <Va​ur> hello
L24[00:52:26] <herbert_west> @vaur reanimation is interesting
L25[00:52:58] <Va​ur> I'm sorry, what are you talking about ?
L26[00:53:20] <herbert_west> @vaur bringing the dead back to life
L27[00:53:23] <Michiyo> herbert_west, don't ping random people with your random ramblings
L28[00:53:45] <herbert_west> Its related to my name
L29[00:54:05] <Ariri> That doesn't change the fact you're still bothering people
L30[00:56:12] ⇦ Quits: Vaur (~vaur@56.ip-149-202-44.eu) (Ping timeout: 198 seconds)
L31[01:04:39] <Izaya> https://neue.city/media/d13a0daac5ffae4d7ee1ce95909b1410fe3363e50690f9b54b7f51942483df2d.png
L32[01:05:47] <herbert_west> uwu
L33[01:05:58] <Izaya> no uwu
L34[01:06:02] <Izaya> this is a no uwu zone
L35[01:06:12] <herbert_west> owo
L36[01:06:17] <Izaya> ...
L37[01:06:24] <Ariri> relatable
L38[01:06:31] <Ariri> the Thinkpad part, I mean
L39[01:06:39] * Izaya clutches X220
L40[01:06:41] <herbert_west> Izaya, do you use a bsd
L41[01:06:42] <ThePi​Guy24> no \w\, we are now banning the letter w
L42[01:06:55] <herbert_west> omo
L43[01:06:55] <ThePiGuy24> nice formatting
L44[01:07:10] <Ariri> e have banned it
L45[01:07:13] <ThePiGuy24> no *w*, we are now banning the letter w
L46[01:07:17] <ThePiGuy24> fixed
L47[01:07:20] <herbert_west> umu
L48[01:07:28] <ThePiGuy24> and now it looks shot on discord
L49[01:07:34] <Izaya> we're banning all 3 letter words
L50[01:07:36] <herbert_west> ThePiGuy24, woah bro
L51[01:07:48] <herbert_west> You're on the other side of the telephone too
L52[01:07:48] <Ariri> rip all and bro
L53[01:07:55] <Shuud​oushi> Wtf lol
L54[01:08:05] <Izaya> fug
L55[01:08:11] <herbert_west> ThePiGuy24, how are you on both ends of the telephone
L56[01:08:13] <Ariri> wut have u dun
L57[01:08:27] <ThePiGuy24> A) this isnt a telephone, B) because i can
L58[01:08:35] <Shuud​oushi> Lmfao
L59[01:09:02] <herbert_west> I hope you don't rack up high bills
L60[01:09:28] <ThePiGuy24> yet again, still not a telephone
L61[01:09:29] <Izaya> seems like a phone to me
L62[01:09:38] <Ariri> moshi moshi?
L63[01:09:38] <herbert_west> Yeah Izaya
L64[01:09:43] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/rMg0Szc3VKgvBeZ3/20210128_12h09m29s_grim.png
L65[01:10:04] <Izaya> just so we're clear I'm not agreeing with you I'm being a pest
L66[01:10:05] <Ariri> nice flat ui
L67[01:10:20] <herbert_west> Yes pests are interesting
L68[01:10:29] <Ariri> no.
L69[01:10:32] <Izaya> Ariri: thinking about switching to that NeXTSTEP GTK theme
L70[01:10:46] <herbert_west> Are humans pests?
L71[01:10:48] <Izaya> and using a vaporwave wallpaper
L72[01:11:05] <herbert_west> Vaporwave is annoying
L73[01:11:09] <Ariri> vaporwave yes
L74[01:11:11] <ThePiGuy24> Izaya: do it
L75[01:11:25] <Izaya> wallpaper isn't widely shown in phosh though :<
L76[01:11:38] <herbert_west> I never understood the appeal of vaporwave
L77[01:12:02] <Izaya> send portrait vaporwave wallpapers
L78[01:12:03] <herbert_west> If you want 80s nostalgia you already have a lot of good death metal and thrash thats legit from the 80s...or whatever other genre you prefer
L79[01:12:09] <ThePiGuy24> is a good a e s t h e t i c
L80[01:12:18] <CompanionCube> Izaya: onestepback?
L81[01:12:23] <Izaya> yees
L82[01:12:31] <herbert_west> Its just excessively heavy and bright
L83[01:12:31] <CompanionCube> orly?
L84[01:12:50] <Izaya> the nice thing at the moment is that I have Numix-ArchBlue on my desktop, laptop and phone
L85[01:12:54] <Ar​iri> not biased on the vapor wave front btw
L86[01:12:55] <Izaya> c o n s i s t e n c y
L87[01:12:59] <Ar​iri> https://tinyurl.com/y2q3dgua
L88[01:13:10] <herbert_west> what
L89[01:13:17] <herbert_west> how do you have a linux on your phone
L90[01:13:29] <Izaya> by having linux on my phone?
L91[01:13:32] <herbert_west> how
L92[01:13:43] <herbert_west> Never heard of such a thing before
L93[01:13:48] <CompanionCube> izaya bought a pinephone
L94[01:13:49] <Izaya> I built it from source and flashed it to the internal storage
L95[01:13:56] <herbert_west> woah bro
L96[01:14:00] <CompanionCube> or was that someone else
L97[01:14:09] <herbert_west> where did you get the parts
L98[01:14:15] <herbert_west> oh wait
L99[01:14:17] <herbert_west> you just mean
L100[01:14:21] <herbert_west> you took a normal android
L101[01:14:31] <herbert_west> and then flashed a desktop linux image onto it
L102[01:14:41] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/08da1e7d05efe2f82acbb70cbf147f038f992a3e50f9187811ce78d575cdf43b.png
L103[01:14:49] <herbert_west> how'd you get drivers for the touchscreen and so on
L104[01:14:50] <Ar​iri> Izaya: https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/w8mPg4ejnKYdHQR some vapor wave stuff in here, with the color tuned one I’m currently using
L105[01:15:00] <Izaya> mainline kernel B)
L106[01:15:19] <herbert_west> woah bor
L107[01:15:25] <Elfi> I want a pinephone :<
L108[01:15:33] <Ar​iri> Ok there’s actually one, gotta find the others and toss em in there
L109[01:15:33] <herbert_west> so the pinephone devs wrote the drivers
L110[01:15:44] <herbert_west> i mean they probably own their hardwares so yeah
L111[01:15:56] <Izaya> no I imagine they used off-the-shelf parts with existing support
L112[01:16:05] <Izaya> but honestly I haven't thought about it
L113[01:16:28] <herbert_west> yeah
L114[01:16:31] <herbert_west> I meant that
L115[01:16:35] <herbert_west> since the hardware is their choice
L116[01:16:37] <ThePiGuy24> what why has my pinephone been returned to shipper by DHL
L117[01:16:40] <CompanionCube> also who needs BSD, haiku better desktop OS \s
L118[01:16:45] <CompanionCube> ThePiGuy24: brexit?
L119[01:16:48] <Izaya> CompanionCube: this but unironically
L120[01:16:49] <Elfi> That reminds me, I haven't heard back from a seller that offered evaluation kits for their displays
L121[01:16:51] <herbert_west> oh yeah
L122[01:16:53] <Michiyo> Because DHL
L123[01:16:53] <Izaya> Haiku for PinePhone when
L124[01:16:56] <herbert_west> who was I asking the bsd question to
L125[01:16:57] <Michiyo> Fuck DHL.
L126[01:16:59] <ThePiGuy24> idk they didnt give a reason
L127[01:16:59] <herbert_west> Izaya, was that you
L128[01:17:10] <herbert_west> ThePiGuy24, customs?
L129[01:17:14] <Izaya> Ariri: I'm all about sharing so here are mine https://nextcloud.shadowkat.net/index.php/s/R9jWYHZD68qNxqb?path=%2FPhone
L130[01:17:17] <CompanionCube> i would blame brexit
L131[01:17:23] <Izaya> please be gentle with my internet connection
L132[01:17:28] <CompanionCube> because it's past january and everything is fucked
L133[01:17:29] <herbert_west> what
L134[01:17:49] <herbert_west> Do you consider Brexit a good decision or a bad decision CompanionCube
L135[01:17:59] <ThePiGuy24> Brexit was a terrible decision
L136[01:18:03] * CompanionCube vaguely gestures
L137[01:18:06] <CompanionCube> what do you think lol
L138[01:18:10] <herbert_west> Many people were saying Brexit is great
L139[01:18:47] <Izaya> Ariri: I like g2mn10dpavk51.jpg
L140[01:18:50] <herbert_west> CompanionCube, hw much did the shipping cost
L141[01:18:50] <CompanionCube> Many people were saying Trump is great :P
L142[01:18:54] <herbert_west> wheres pinephone based in
L143[01:18:55] <herbert_west> usa?
L144[01:19:08] <CompanionCube> herbert_west: fucked if i know, i'm not the one who bought it :p
L145[01:19:30] <Ariri> I tossed in like 8 or 9 more I could find immediately, they can be cropped to portrait and still look good if they aren't already
L146[01:19:39] <ThePiGuy24> hong kong
L147[01:19:55] <Ariri> Ooh some of these are nice
L148[01:20:01] <CompanionCube> does the UK even have a deal with HK and/or China yet?
L149[01:20:09] <ThePiGuy24> afaik, no
L150[01:20:10] <Izaya> wouldn't trust anything from the US
L151[01:20:16] <Ariri> I dig the space ones, Izaya
L152[01:20:18] <herbert_west> PINE64 SBC and accessories next shipment date will be on December 31st 2020 – Ships from Shenzhen China.
L153[01:20:18] <herbert_west> PINEPHONE-KDE Plasma – Estimate to be dispatched in mid of January 2021 – Ships from Hong Kong. The tracking number will be posted once the shipment dispatched.
L154[01:20:34] <Izaya> Ariri: I got the space tourism posters from NASA
L155[01:20:47] <herbert_west> USA is good
L156[01:20:52] <Ariri> I should set up my auto-get-everything-cool-from-NASA thing again
L157[01:20:52] <Izaya> disagree
L158[01:20:53] <herbert_west> It has a lot of good death metal
L159[01:21:01] <CompanionCube> ThePiGuy24: do you think you'll be on the hook for lame brexit customs monies?
L160[01:21:06] <herbert_west> I didn't mean politically, I have no commehnt on that
L161[01:21:20] <herbert_west> ThePiGuy24, do you work customs
L162[01:21:42] <ThePiGuy24> CC: wdym, do you mean will i pay customs?
L163[01:21:47] <Ariri> >ASPX vector art
L164[01:21:48] <Shuud​oushi> %tonk
L165[01:21:48] <MichiBot> Hooray! Shuud​oushi! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 9 minutes and 10 seconds (By 1 minute and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L166[01:21:49] <MichiBot> Shuudoushi's new record is 1 hour, 10 minutes and 48 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00003 x 2 = 0.00006)
L167[01:21:50] <CompanionCube> yes
L168[01:21:57] <Ariri> Now I want to make a wallpaper with the Krait Phantom
L169[01:21:58] <Izaya> Ariri: I like the cobra vaporwave one
L170[01:22:04] <herbert_west> Izaya, how did you know of such obscure phones
L171[01:22:04] <CompanionCube> pointless tonk much?
L172[01:22:13] <herbert_west> wht does tonk do
L173[01:22:25] <Va​ur> its a game herbert
L174[01:22:27] <Shuud​oushi> Yeah, math was off a bit
L175[01:22:41] <ThePiGuy24> CC: yes i assume i will have to pay customs, but where or when i still have yet to find out
L176[01:22:45] <Va​ur> %sip
L177[01:22:46] <MichiBot> You drink a sedimented salmon potion (New!). Vaur gains a negligible amount of luck.
L178[01:22:49] <Ariri> The ED community has a lot of talent with SPVFA and such, might see if they have anything I can put in there
L179[01:22:55] <herbert_west> reject vaporwave, embrace thrash and speed
L180[01:22:59] <Shuud​oushi> Huffed too much paint dust at work today
L181[01:23:13] <herbert_west> How do you feel @shuudoushi
L182[01:23:16] <herbert_west> did it make you high
L183[01:23:20] <CompanionCube> ThePiGuy24: very on-brand for the situation, yes.
L184[01:23:32] <Izaya> Ariri: https://nextcloud.shadowkat.net/index.php/apps/files_sharing/publicpreview/R9jWYHZD68qNxqb?fileId=486336&file=/krait-bp.png pls work
L185[01:23:38] <Izaya> hm.
L186[01:23:45] <ThePi​Guy24> ah its just DHL being DHL https://tinyurl.com/y2fnzmaa
L187[01:23:46] <Ariri> Izaya, do you think minimalist/vector-like art of this would be nice (w/o the bars ofc) https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/XG4eBWMdt6DdJPa/preview
L188[01:23:49] <herbert_west> its very tiny Izaya
L189[01:23:50] <Shuud​oushi> No, i just can't get the taste of blue fucking paint out of my hair
L190[01:24:04] <Shuud​oushi> %s/hair/mouth
L191[01:24:05] <MichiBot> <Shuudoushi> No, i just can't get the taste of blue fucking paint out of my mouth
L192[01:24:06] <Izaya> https://nextcloud.shadowkat.net/index.php/apps/files_sharing/publicpreview/R9jWYHZD68qNxqb?fileId=486336&file=/krait-bp.png&x=9999x9999&a=true
L193[01:24:18] <Shuud​oushi> I'm fucking tired, ok...
L194[01:24:19] <Izaya> huh.
L195[01:24:30] <Izaya> anyway
L196[01:24:35] <Izaya> go up a level and look for krait-bp
L197[01:24:35] <herbert_west> its fucking tiny bro
L198[01:24:38] <Izaya> there's a site with blueprints
L199[01:24:41] <herbert_west> you are posting 64 pixel pngs
L200[01:24:45] <ThePiGuy24> thanks DHL, very cool
L201[01:25:05] <herbert_west> whats those blurprints for
L202[01:25:29] <Ariri> Ah found it
L203[01:25:39] <Ariri> herbert_west, elite: dangerous ships
L204[01:26:01] <herbert_west> game looks pretty
L205[01:26:04] <herbert_west> thanks
L206[01:27:06] <herbert_west> Ariri, bro
L207[01:27:11] <herbert_west> where do you find out about such obscure phones
L208[01:27:23] <Ariri> I think after the SRV race on Saturday, I'll take my Chieftain and Phantom and go out for a photo shoot
L209[01:27:34] <herbert_west> what
L210[01:27:37] <Izaya> mamba and mkii stronk
L211[01:27:50] <herbert_west> oh
L212[01:27:53] <Ariri> I use the MK2 for PvE, Phantom as my rat ship/bubble taxi
L213[01:28:19] <Izaya> why is the mamba allowed to be so pretty
L214[01:28:30] <Ariri> herbert_west, I'm not sure I'm the one to be asking, but I'd assume just reading up on new products and stuff on tech-related forums and news
L215[01:28:48] <Ariri> I want a Mamba at some point for something
L216[01:28:57] <i develo​p things> herbert_west: the pinephone is designed to run linux. running android on it is actually difficult.
L217[01:29:01] <Izaya> they're objectively worse than the FDL
L218[01:29:02] <herbert_west> how much did they have to modify the code to make it work
L219[01:29:09] <Izaya> but it's like
L220[01:29:11] <herbert_west> is it arm
L221[01:29:11] <Ariri> True, but they look much better
L222[01:29:14] <herbert_west> or x64
L223[01:29:18] <herbert_west> or something obscure
L224[01:29:21] <i develo​p things> it's ARM, and it runs mostly mainline linux
L225[01:29:23] <Ariri> s/they/the Mamba
L226[01:29:25] <MichiBot> <Ariri> True, but the Mamba look much better
L227[01:29:34] <Izaya> you could drive a sedan AE86, and it would perform slightly better than the liftback
L228[01:29:46] <herbert_west> @i develop things thanks
L229[01:29:46] <Izaya> or you could drive the liftback and be happier because it's prettier
L230[01:29:50] <Izaya> even if it turns slightly worse
L231[01:29:54] <Izaya> https://files.catbox.moe/da7l0w.jpg
L232[01:30:14] <Ariri> FDL is kind of overused anyways, so that's another reason to get the Mamba
L233[01:30:19] <Izaya> yee
L234[01:30:23] <Ariri> I don't want to look like a meta-driven ganker, too
L235[01:30:26] <Izaya> FDL is the meta but fuck the meta
L236[01:30:32] <Ariri> ^
L237[01:30:42] <Izaya> https://files.catbox.moe/4sqhdn.jpg
L238[01:30:49] <herbert_west> Must be a lot of work to modify linux to make it workable on that phone
L239[01:30:52] <Izaya> I want the Mamba but in the same blue as my bike
L240[01:31:01] <Ariri> Oooh
L241[01:31:04] <herbert_west> and also writing drivers for touch and so on
L242[01:31:05] <Ariri> Blue Mamba, I likeyy
L243[01:31:55] <ThePiGuy24> linux has supported ARM for a long while
L244[01:32:24] <ThePiGuy24> in fact it is pretty much the only os supporting ARM, unless you want RiscOS (the true ARM OS :p)
L245[01:32:25] <herbert_west> even if the kernel works there, it must have taken some work to fit the user spaces and especially desktop shit to work there
L246[01:32:34] <Izaya> tfw no RISC OS machine
L247[01:32:36] <Ar​iri> Izaya: Chieftain is so fun to fly too, handles like a small ship https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/5sMCgSTEyb4y8JQ/preview
L248[01:32:39] <ThePiGuy24> windows on arm is windows so noone wants that
L249[01:32:40] <Izaya> hey does it work on the RPi4?
L250[01:32:55] <ThePiGuy24> afaik RiscOS does work on pi 4
L251[01:32:58] <herbert_west> ThePiGuy24, still a nicer option than android
L252[01:33:02] <Izaya> I think I have a chieftan
L253[01:33:10] <herbert_west> does win 7 work on arms
L254[01:33:28] <ThePiGuy24> only windows 10 has an ARM version i think
L255[01:33:28] <Izaya> or maybe it was that one friend that had a chieftan
L256[01:33:52] <CompanionCube> Izaya: i mean, probably?
L257[01:34:00] <Ariri> It's not as great as other similar ships (Krait Mk2 for instance) for just NPC combat, considering its AX lore, but its so responsive
L258[01:34:09] <CompanionCube> 'Overview. As of RISC OS 5.28, the Raspberry Pi 4B is officially supported by RISC OS. The Raspberry Pi 400 requires a RISC OS 5.29 ROM'
L259[01:34:19] <Izaya> can it do multi-core?
L260[01:34:23] <M​GR> Windows RT was Windows on ARM if my memory serves
L261[01:34:28] <CompanionCube> has risc os ever done multicore?
L262[01:34:28] <herbert_west> obscure fucking phones
L263[01:34:32] <Izaya> no idea
L264[01:34:38] <M​GR> Yes
L265[01:34:46] <M​GR> It's Windows 8-ish on ARM
L266[01:35:12] <Izaya> MGR: yeah between like, XP and 7 only x86 and x86_64 were supported
L267[01:35:26] <Izaya> and itanium? I think? maybe?
L268[01:35:30] <i develo​p things> the pinephone has already sold more units than the original ubuntu phone and the (openmoko?) combined iirc
L269[01:35:38] <dequbed> ThePiGuy24: You can count the microprocessor architectures that NetBSD does *not* run on on one hand after a dynamite accident.
L270[01:35:41] <ThePiGuy24> Izaya: it doees appear that RiscOS does work on the Pi 4
L271[01:35:41] <ThePiGuy24> %s/doees/does
L272[01:35:44] <MichiBot> <ThePiGuy24> Izaya: it does appear that RiscOS does work on the Pi 4
L273[01:35:45] <Ariri> herbert_west, can you avoid cursing repeatedly? You've been told before that there may be children present here, since it's a Minecraft-related channel.
L274[01:35:54] <herbert_west> Oh
L275[01:35:58] <herbert_west> Good point
L276[01:36:00] <herbert_west> Sorry
L277[01:36:04] <dequbed> Ariri: *concern*
L278[01:36:11] <ThePiGuy24> xd
L279[01:36:19] <Ariri> shush dequbed
L280[01:36:22] <M​GR> Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and Windows 2008 supported Itanium
L281[01:36:25] <Izaya> ThePiGuy24: I'm far too inclined to buy a 400, even if it's like $150, just so I can have a (not quite) Archimedes
L282[01:36:28] <herbert_west> @i develop phones bro I'd so love just having a normal linux on a phone
L283[01:36:37] <CompanionCube> Izaya: apparently riscos never went preemptive, never mind multicore
L284[01:36:47] <Izaya> yeah I knew it was still cooperative
L285[01:36:47] <herbert_west> its so horrendous how you need a super beefy machine to run android studio
L286[01:37:05] <herbert_west> it'd be nice to just build normal linux programs on a normal machine
L287[01:37:10] <herbert_west> and have them work on my phone
L288[01:37:23] <CompanionCube> technically you can just use termux for that
L289[01:37:41] <Izaya> but if you had multiple cores, you could potentially do that more effectively if you made sure no program used all cores
L290[01:37:42] <herbert_west> for a very limited (but still quite decent) range of tasks
L291[01:37:58] <herbert_west> that can run in a limited user space terminal environment
L292[01:37:59] <herbert_west> but still
L293[01:38:02] <herbert_west> even that is quite good
L294[01:38:14] <ThePiGuy24> Izaya: also works on the 400
L295[01:38:17] <CompanionCube> Izaya: more problematic is that the kernel is described as single-tasking...
L296[01:38:33] <herbert_west> I always thought why people just didn't build a phone with a normal sane desktop os
L297[01:38:41] <herbert_west> like a windows 7 phone or a linux desktop phone
L298[01:38:42] <herbert_west> etc
L299[01:38:47] <ThePiGuy24> because that requires x86
L300[01:38:57] <herbert_west> Thank god its finally happening now
L301[01:39:03] <ThePiGuy24> and x86 isnt what one would call power efficient
L302[01:39:05] <herbert_west> ThePiGuy24, was x86 difficult on battery power?
L303[01:39:25] <herbert_west> whatever the root causes, its very nice its finally happening now
L304[01:39:26] <ThePiGuy24> yes
L305[01:42:15] <herbert_west> uwu
L306[01:44:45] <herbert_west> @i develop things do you exist on this side of the telephone?
L307[01:47:03] <herbert_west> damn
L308[01:47:06] <herbert_west> why'd it get silent
L309[01:47:30] <M​GR> Because nobody is talking
L310[01:47:34] <M​GR> 🙃
L311[01:47:43] <herbert_west> Deep
L312[01:48:02] <herbert_west> how do you dm to the other end
L313[01:48:35] <i develo​p things> #%discord
L314[01:48:37] <i develo​p things> uhh
L315[01:48:42] <i develo​p things> %discord
L316[01:48:42] <MichiBot> i develo​p things: https://discord.gg/0hVukoQ2KYm2aoXh
L317[01:49:01] <herbert_west> so you can't from this end
L318[01:49:10] <herbert_west> you have to join the othe end of the telephone yourself it seems
L319[01:49:16] <i develo​p things> iirc you can, somehow, through corded, but i could be wrong. not sure
L320[01:49:26] <herbert_west> %help
L321[01:49:27] <MichiBot> herber​t_west: Command list: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/help
L322[01:49:39] <Izaya> time to cook up something to use the ambient light sensor to set the theme
L323[01:49:42] <Izaya> B)
L324[01:49:42] <i develo​p things> it would involve messaging corded
L325[01:49:49] <M​GR> Why do you want to DM people?
L326[01:50:05] <M​GR> Before, your DMs were not taken well
L327[01:50:08] <herbert_west> when a thread would be preferable to separate from the public chat
L328[01:50:31] <Izaya> may I suggest asking first
L329[01:50:43] <herbert_west> Of course
L330[01:50:44] <Izaya> so you can get shot down without having to go through the effort of figuring out how to send a PM
L331[01:51:44] <Ariri> Ouch
L332[01:51:46] <Izaya> just seems like a more efficient use of energy :)
L333[01:56:36] <herbert_west> Can you use this pinephone as a phone
L334[01:56:58] <i develo​p things> i do
L335[01:57:02] <M​GR> Have you done any research of your own?
L336[01:57:05] <i develo​p things> as long as you don't need MMS it works pretty well
L337[01:57:31] <herbert_west> yeah i don't need mms
L338[01:58:36] <Ariri> See: https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone
L339[01:59:20] <Ariri> I should get a Pinephone when I become adept at actually using Linux
L340[01:59:21] <herbert_west> >2GB of LPDDR3 RAM
L341[01:59:22] <herbert_west> Gos on to show
L342[01:59:41] <i develo​p things> it's not that bad actually
L343[01:59:46] <i develo​p things> the GPU is the weakest part
L344[01:59:46] <herbert_west> if you are able to use sane languages
L345[01:59:50] <herbert_west> you can do with much less ram
L346[01:59:52] <herbert_west> no
L347[01:59:53] <herbert_west> I meant
L348[01:59:57] <Izaya> Ariri: best way to learn is to do B)
L349[02:00:00] <i develo​p things> oh yeah
L350[02:00:00] <herbert_west> How wasteful jvms are of memory
L351[02:00:13] <Izaya> most android software doesn't even run on the JVM any more
L352[02:00:28] <Izaya> the whole system is just insanely wasteful, google malware or not
L353[02:00:48] <Ariri> Izaya, I know, but I'm defunct in the brain and need to set more time aside to fix my current Linux server issues :/
L354[02:00:50] <herbert_west> even if ti doesn't the origina lcode was written in ja va and thus probably still has hefty data structures
L355[02:01:05] <Ariri> My drive pool is still buggered and files disappeared
L356[02:01:15] <herbert_west> Ariri, you don't need to know anything to use desktop linux bro
L357[02:01:29] <Izaya> this is now a no bro zone
L358[02:01:35] <Izaya> I'm sick of hearing it
L359[02:01:38] <herbert_west> esp on such a locked down hardware as a phone
L360[02:01:39] <Izaya> (sis is still allowed)
L361[02:01:56] <Ariri> I've used the desktop, I know it's simple. I was more referring to actually using it the way Izaya uses it, to experiment and configure as desired
L362[02:02:08] <herbert_west> yeah
L363[02:02:09] <Izaya> don't use linux like I use it
L364[02:02:12] <Izaya> that's the path to insanity
L365[02:02:13] <herbert_west> thats beyond me
L366[02:02:15] <herbert_west> I am a low iq person
L367[02:02:30] <CompanionCube> Izaya: instead of bro, bruh?
L368[02:02:41] <ThePiGuy24> despite the "low" specs of the pinephone, its still an upgrade from my current phone :P
L369[02:02:42] <herbert_west> I am bad with computers
L370[02:02:43] <Izaya> bruh has very different connotations
L371[02:02:51] <ThePiGuy24> Брат
L372[02:02:59] <herbert_west> ThePiGuy24, are you ukrainian
L373[02:03:02] <ThePiGuy24> no
L374[02:03:05] <Ariri> I'd just like a lightweight phone for me to automate and customize anyways, because I dislike Android and my current mobile dd is iOS
L375[02:03:08] <CompanionCube> herbert_west: then get an iDevice; badumtish i feel bad now
L376[02:03:09] <herbert_west> then why are you speaking ukrainian
L377[02:03:13] <ThePiGuy24> English, i just know some russian
L378[02:03:15] <CompanionCube> it's a bad joke ik
L379[02:03:23] <herbert_west> istuff is costly hipster nonsense
L380[02:03:24] <ThePiGuy24> and it was russian, not ukrainian :p
L381[02:03:32] <herbert_west> just like anything "mechanical" or anything "gaming"
L382[02:03:33] <herbert_west> same concept
L383[02:03:51] <Izaya> tfw everything mechanical is costly hipster nonsesense
L384[02:03:54] <herbert_west> have you seen the keyboard hipsters?
L385[02:04:01] <Izaya> aight everyone, sell your ICE vehicles
L386[02:04:06] <M​GR> Mechanical keyboards are more reliable though
L387[02:04:15] <Ariri> Izaya, I've already done that
L388[02:04:18] <herbert_west> I find them noisy and hard to type
L389[02:04:19] <Ariri> B)
L390[02:04:36] <ThePiGuy24> no i like my cars made of frozen water :p
L391[02:04:42] <Izaya> you can pry mine from my cold dead hands
L392[02:04:42] <herbert_west> I think some people just like noises and flashy lights
L393[02:04:44] <M​GR> They are noisy, but I don't have problems typing
L394[02:04:52] <Izaya> (as will probably be necessary when I die)
L395[02:04:56] <herbert_west> mgr do you know
L396[02:04:59] <M​GR> Yes
L397[02:05:18] <herbert_west> there are people who are paying hundreds of dollars for keyoboards and for rubber sheets
L398[02:05:30] <herbert_west> who pays hundreds of dollars for a rubber sheet
L399[02:05:32] <Izaya> love to get me some rubber sheets
L400[02:05:50] <Ariri> yummy
L401[02:05:57] <i develo​p things> there are mechanical keyboards that are quiet and feel good
L402[02:05:59] <herbert_west> MGR bro
L403[02:06:04] <i develo​p things> i have a cheap one that is loud and feels good
L404[02:06:05] <i develo​p things> and i like it
L405[02:06:18] <Izaya> imagine not using a Dell L100
L406[02:06:20] <CompanionCube> worse are the people who would convert retro keyboards because why
L407[02:06:23] <herbert_west> so whats the difference between so called mechs and normal keyboards anyways
L408[02:06:26] <Izaya> best heyboard under $10
L409[02:06:26] <i develo​p things> (brown switches are popular)
L410[02:06:35] <M​GR> herbert, I will leave you to do your own research on that
L411[02:06:40] <M​GR> you clearly need to learn that skill
L412[02:06:42] <Izaya> I still need to decide on switches for my keyboard kit
L413[02:06:44] <i develo​p things> mechanical keyboards actually have physical switches as opposed to rubber-dome-based capacitance
L414[02:06:46] <herbert_west> I had an oldschool keyboard
L415[02:06:47] <Ariri> Why would you say you don't like them and proceed to ask what they are
L416[02:06:51] <herbert_west> back when they were normal
L417[02:06:58] <herbert_west> and not in the era of their hipster cargo cult resurgence
L418[02:07:00] <Izaya> Ariri: hivemind B)
L419[02:07:09] <herbert_west> and trust me I quite like when modern keyboards came
L420[02:07:12] <Ariri> Figured :D
L421[02:07:21] <herbert_west> I had used one Ariri
L422[02:07:26] <herbert_west> from a buddy
L423[02:07:34] <i develo​p things> i have a keyboard from about 2000
L424[02:07:34] <herbert_west> since mine was broken
L425[02:07:37] <herbert_west> and I hated it
L426[02:07:44] <i develo​p things> it's dome-based but quite nice to type on nonetheless
L427[02:07:46] <i develo​p things> though i don't use it
L428[02:07:49] <i develo​p things> (much)
L429[02:07:59] <herbert_west> yeah and the nice thing is that oldschool trve kvlt mechanical keyboards didn't cost an arm and a half
L430[02:08:07] <Izaya> I suspect that older rubber dome boards are nicer because the rubber has stiffened
L431[02:08:07] <herbert_west> they cost just normal for their era
L432[02:08:14] <herbert_west> no
L433[02:08:16] <herbert_west> spring based ones
L434[02:08:19] <herbert_west> not rubber domes
L435[02:08:25] <i develo​p things> that, most macbook keyboards, and my pinebook pro's keyboard are my favorite laptop keyboards i've ever used
L436[02:08:26] <ThePiGuy24> Only mechanical keyboard i have is from my beeb
L437[02:08:35] <Izaya> scissor switch keyboards are <3
L438[02:08:46] <i develo​p things> i head the IBM model M is awesome
L439[02:08:49] <i develo​p things> hear*
L440[02:08:52] <i develo​p things> gotta go now bye
L441[02:08:55] <Izaya> o/
L442[02:08:55] <herbert_west> yeah hear is all we do
L443[02:09:02] <Ariri> sayonara
L444[02:09:08] <herbert_west> hasta la vista
L445[02:09:17] <Izaya> I would fuck, marry and/or kill for a ThinkPad 600X keyboard with a USB plug
L446[02:09:48] <Ariri> I like the 'and/or' part of that statement
L447[02:09:53] <herbert_west> Izaya, I have a feeling its an artificially bloated market...ie the actual costs to amke these things are very low and they are selling it for high prices due to hipsters having made up a too high value on them
L448[02:10:17] <Izaya> Ariri: all 3 are optional but if necessary I'd do all 3
L449[02:10:21] <herbert_west> See for example CDs in the 90s
L450[02:10:31] <herbert_west> or vinyl records in modern periods
L451[02:10:45] <Ariri> I gather, along with you really liking that keyboard
L452[02:10:59] <Ariri> Never used it to my knowledge
L453[02:11:01] <Izaya> I'm half inclined to make my own adaptor tbh
L454[02:11:03] <herbert_west> whats the older kind of laptop keyboard called
L455[02:11:06] <Izaya> I have one
L456[02:11:13] <Izaya> but like
L457[02:11:20] <Izaya> another project for the shelf, I guess
L458[02:11:30] <herbert_west> on that note why aer modern laptop keybords so costly
L459[02:11:41] <Ariri> now that's relatable
L460[02:13:05] <herbert_west> external kbs can be gotten at 5-6 dollars, whereas this laptop shit began at around 20
L461[02:13:43] <herbert_west> btw I should add, there's nothing wrong with having a hobby of keyboards
L462[02:13:57] <herbert_west> all power to you
L463[02:14:11] <Izaya> I'd love one of those Tadpole laptops too
L464[02:14:17] <Izaya> imagine having a SPARC laptop
L465[02:15:22] <herbert_west> I honestly just prefer chiclets
L466[02:15:28] <herbert_west> Fast and quiet
L467[02:16:11] <Izaya> Ariri: https://files.catbox.moe/qe7yx8.jpg
L468[02:16:26] <Izaya> not the 600X, but that design is fun
L469[02:16:45] <herbert_west> woah where'd you get these obscure laptops from
L470[02:17:09] <Izaya> by doing something you don't seem to do a lot of
L471[02:17:12] <Izaya> reading
L472[02:17:16] <herbert_west> how difficult or easy it is to unscrew it Izaya
L473[02:17:31] <herbert_west> My next purchase I'll be prioritizing something thats easy to open up
L474[02:17:37] <herbert_west> and replace innards
L475[02:17:42] <CompanionCube> there's you talking about keyboards
L476[02:17:44] <Ariri> Not sure what you mean by the last two messages, but I dig that design
L477[02:17:48] <herbert_west> what
L478[02:17:53] <herbert_west> I am not talking about keyboarsd now
L479[02:18:03] <CompanionCube> and me using a random OEM old-ass PS/2 keyboard ;)
L480[02:18:10] <herbert_west> Ariri, as in soemthing thats easier to disassemble and replace parts inside
L481[02:18:12] <Ariri> I like that it has all the nav keys too
L482[02:18:27] <herbert_west> for example, the audio jack
L483[02:18:29] <Izaya> I had a ProBook with the nav keys to the right of the keyboard
L484[02:18:32] <Izaya> that was nice
L485[02:18:48] <Izaya> design doesn't seem to have been popular though
L486[02:19:11] <Ariri> Oh, so that's what ignore does, neat
L487[02:19:13] <herbert_west> CompanionCube, absolutely nothing wrong with that
L488[02:19:19] <Ariri> Not you btw Izaya
L489[02:19:20] <herbert_west> I commend you on your anti-hispter attitude
L490[02:19:21] <CompanionCube> herbert_west: exactly
L491[02:19:26] <herbert_west> Don't be swayed by bs trends
L492[02:19:53] <Izaya> I am contractually obligated to link this page https://www.gboards.ca/product/gergo
L493[02:20:07] <CompanionCube> though the machine that the keyboard is originally for got replaced
L494[02:20:28] <herbert_west> I wasn't being sarcastic just in case you got that vibe
L495[02:20:48] <CompanionCube> i didn't
L496[02:20:57] <herbert_west> Trends come and go, only truth and death remain constant
L497[02:21:07] <CompanionCube> you forgot the taxes
L498[02:21:17] <Ariri> Izaya, would that be good for stuff like macros/custom keys?
L499[02:21:34] <herbert_west> CompanionCube, you know whats the core psychology of a hipster?
L500[02:21:36] <Ariri> I want something like a StreamDeck for OBS and general scripting
L501[02:21:40] <herbert_west> Its essentially a cargo cult
L502[02:21:53] <herbert_west> If you don't know what that word means, Wikipedia provides a better definition than I could
L503[02:22:29] <Izaya> Ariri: see their smaller products
L504[02:22:30] <CompanionCube> i could make cheap shots at the obvious linux targets but i don't feel like it
L505[02:22:34] <Izaya> they're all completely programmable
L506[02:22:42] <Izaya> literally teensy modules for the interface
L507[02:22:45] <herbert_west> what linux targets
L508[02:23:25] <Ariri> >15 USD Faunchpad
L509[02:23:26] <Ariri> Ooh
L510[02:24:12] <Izaya> don't miss the 16 USD programming socks
L511[02:24:54] <herbert_west> wait iz
L512[02:25:08] <herbert_west> I think i've seen you somewhere
L513[02:25:23] <Izaya> (full disclosure: I know the guy that makes these from lainchan and he gave me a $20 discount if I would suggest his stuff when I saw people talking about keyboards and it seemed appropriate)
L514[02:25:39] <herbert_west> the thigh highs?
L515[02:25:48] <Izaya> the keyboards
L516[02:25:51] <Ariri> Lol
L517[02:25:54] <Izaya> I imagine he just distributes the programming socks
L518[02:26:12] <CompanionCube> i was thinking 'wasn't programming socks just a meme'
L519[02:26:38] <herbert_west> femboys are definitely not a meme
L520[02:26:46] <herbert_west> They exist in flesh and blood
L521[02:27:05] <Ariri> I'm always wearing socks, so whenever I'm programming I have 'programming socks'
L522[02:27:13] <Ariri> Correlation is causation, humu humu
L523[02:27:22] <herbert_west> those are a different kind of socks
L524[02:27:30] <Izaya> they have to be long enough to have programming-enhancing effects
L525[02:27:33] <herbert_west> and they are often paired with a skirt
L526[02:27:44] <herbert_west> Does not count if you are a girl
L527[02:27:59] <Ariri> I dislike short socks
L528[02:28:12] <Ariri> I don't own any anymore
L529[02:28:26] <Izaya> ended up in the habit of getting longer socks and rolling them down over the top of my boots thanks to work
L530[02:28:29] <herbert_west> do you go out in public in your gear too Ariri
L531[02:28:34] <Izaya> stops rocks getting into my shoes
L532[02:28:50] <herbert_west> What do you work?
L533[02:28:59] <Izaya> a job
L534[02:29:12] <herbert_west> Yeah what kind of job
L535[02:29:15] <Ariri> I wear socks when I go in public, because I usually wear shoes
L536[02:29:28] <Izaya> oh also
L537[02:29:35] <Izaya> fun loophole I found
L538[02:29:51] <Izaya> it might not be entirely normal socially for a guy to wear tall boots
L539[02:29:59] <Izaya> unless they're motorcycle boots
L540[02:30:00] <Izaya> B)
L541[02:30:13] <Ariri> Swag++
L542[02:30:22] <herbert_west> I never heard anyone complaining about men wearing long boots
L543[02:30:27] <herbert_west> the cowboy types have long boots i think
L544[02:30:43] <Ariri> Those are more medium
L545[02:30:57] <Izaya> also
L546[02:31:10] <Izaya> can you think of any better shit-kickers than bike boots?
L547[02:31:13] <Izaya> B)
L548[02:31:33] <Ariri> True
L549[02:31:58] <Izaya> if they had steel caps they'd be better for that but then if you came off you'd chance cutting your toes off
L550[02:31:59] <herbert_west> Ah you work in toilet design
L551[02:35:56] <Izaya> also
L552[02:35:59] <Izaya> due to reasons
L553[02:36:08] <Izaya> I have a korean thinkpad keyboard
L554[02:36:17] <Izaya> for the xx00 series
L555[02:38:49] <herbert_west> Izaya, you know
L556[02:38:56] <Izaya> no
L557[02:38:59] <herbert_west> in some senses australia has it good compared to europe
L558[02:39:45] <herbert_west> I just realized this fact
L559[02:43:37] <Ariri> Izaya, check out my racing T-9 build https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/knRAdLbWiFd5K4C
L560[02:44:23] <Izaya> > 1369m/s
L561[02:44:26] <Izaya> damn
L562[02:45:06] <Ariri> I wish I was recording it
L563[02:45:12] <Ariri> My acceleration was insane
L564[02:46:39] <Izaya> also the teardown wallpaper reminded me that for a while I had the "bootloader unlocked; your warranty is void" screen as my phone's wallpaper for a while
L565[02:46:42] <Izaya> when I was using the G3
L566[02:47:14] <Ariri> Haha
L567[02:48:04] <Izaya> how cute, telling me what I want to hear
L568[02:48:57] <Ariri> cute janai yo
L569[02:49:08] <Ariri> also, no context: https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/dDBdgJ6CsztqEtP
L570[02:50:34] <Izaya> that sounds dangerous
L571[02:50:43] <Izaya> is it yours
L572[02:51:37] <Izaya> oh the folder wouldn't have had my favourite one in it
L573[02:51:58] <Izaya> https://files.catbox.moe/sgn5ow.jpg
L574[02:52:08] <Va​ur> %tonk
L575[02:52:08] <MichiBot> Darn it! Va​ur! You beat Shuud​oushi's previous record of 1 hour, 10 minutes and 48 seconds (By 19 minutes and 31 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L576[02:52:09] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 30 minutes and 19 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00066 (0.00033 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.0069 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L577[02:52:12] <Ar​iri> No
L578[02:52:12] <Ar​iri> Even if I were to not name my FC something cool like Deucalion, I would put ‘safe haven’ or something because ‘strip club’ doesn’t fit with a certain shaak too well
L579[02:52:17] <Ar​iri> ;P
L580[02:53:00] <Ar​iri> Ooh, Cupola module
L581[02:53:15] <Ar​iri> I also like that the black is a proper black
L582[02:54:17] <Izaya> Ariri irl: https://files.catbox.moe/yedewq.jpg
L583[02:55:44] <Ar​iri> I wish I had that much mouse room
L584[02:56:04] <Ar​iri> Also thought it was a flipped image because the mouse is on the left, but the dates are the right way around
L585[03:09:51] <Ariri> Izaya, MkII is nice, but for exploration, speed, and general utility, Phantom: https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/TJxNfMiqLLqGBMT
L586[03:10:07] <Izaya> naw
L587[03:10:10] <Ariri> Also much more preferable than the ASP X imo
L588[03:10:22] <Izaya> MkII is more flexible, but the Phantom is lighter
L589[03:10:37] <Ariri> True
L590[03:10:47] <Ariri> Also biased because of that boost sound
L591[03:11:00] <Izaya> if you're leaving the bubble then the Phantom is probably the way to go
L592[03:11:17] <Izaya> You have the boost sound, I have the big rectangular engines
L593[03:11:48] <Ariri> I've got big rectangular engine
L594[03:11:54] <Ariri> 600m/s zoom
L595[03:12:34] <Ariri> I could probably redo my MkII to do 400 w/o boost, but it might be paper hull at that point
L596[03:14:07] <Izaya> I just love the way the engines stick out like that https://files.catbox.moe/b1dt8v.jpg https://files.catbox.moe/higebk.jpg
L597[03:15:26] <Ariri> Agreed
L598[03:15:55] <Izaya> I wanna do a MkII in SE at some point
L599[03:15:56] <Ariri> Also love being able to see your class 2 weapons
L600[03:16:15] <Izaya> next time I play I want that "thrust causes rotation" mod
L601[03:16:27] <Ariri> Ooh yeah
L602[03:16:36] <Izaya> maybe disable the ion engines
L603[03:16:51] <Izaya> make H2 the way to go
L604[03:17:02] <Ariri> I wanted to make custom Fuel Rat paint jobs for the Kraits, DBX, ASP X, and a few others but FDev said no ;-;
L605[03:17:12] <Izaya> tfw
L606[03:17:56] <Ariri> I kind of would want another chemical to color the H2 engines plumes
L607[03:18:03] <Ariri> If I could that is
L608[03:18:14] <Izaya> I'd love some blue H2 engine thingos
L609[03:18:20] <Ariri> Exactly
L610[03:18:29] <Ariri> totemo kakui
L611[03:18:31] <Izaya> actually, I wonder if I could set up something for LH2/LOX engines in SE
L612[03:18:54] <Izaya> nuclear H2 rockets
L613[03:18:56] <Izaya> B)
L614[03:19:06] <Izaya> oooh, and modify the tanks to have boiloff if not powered
L615[03:19:07] <Ariri> I was thinking about that too
L616[03:19:20] <Ariri> Radiate an atmosphere :)
L617[03:19:30] <Izaya> amosphere scoops too
L618[03:19:36] <Ariri> Yes
L619[03:19:52] <Ariri> %choose apex, ksp, or something else
L620[03:19:53] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: Elementary dear Watson, "something else" is the obvious choice!
L621[03:20:36] <Ariri> Well now I don't know what something else should be
L622[03:21:08] <Izaya> gonna put some food on and play some KSP myself
L623[03:21:23] <Ariri> %choose apex; now or later
L624[03:21:23] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: now apex
L625[03:22:11] <Ariri> Still not sure what to do in the 2 days for my Minmus sat to reach there 5 days before my SSTO and lander
L626[03:22:30] <Ariri> Also neat how the probe is getting there way earlier despite being launched nearly 2 days later
L627[03:22:43] <Izaya> automate passenger contracts with KOS
L628[03:22:56] <Izaya> run the game while watching anime to make cash
L629[03:23:00] <Ariri> I haven't gotten any other passenger contracts
L630[03:23:12] <Izaya> it takes about 40 minutes to launch and land at KSC
L631[03:23:39] <Ariri> Also feel like I'd spend longer scripting it than actually doing the contracts >.>
L632[03:23:48] <Izaya> do you have an ascent script?
L633[03:24:14] <Ariri> I made one, but it's not great
L634[03:24:28] <Izaya> mine is terrible
L635[03:24:31] <Izaya> but it's still profitable
L636[03:24:35] <Ariri> Brain is lacking in the code department
L637[03:24:51] <Izaya> here's your descent script
L638[03:24:54] <Izaya> https://w1r3.net/DATsQL.txt
L639[03:25:09] <Ariri> Mine makes it to where I need, at a certain apoapsis, but I don't know why the controls don't unlock
L640[03:25:34] <Izaya> will plan a maneuver to deorbit and overshoot the KSC
L641[03:25:52] <Ariri> That's pretty neat actually
L642[03:26:08] <Izaya> it can be reasonably accurate https://social.shadowkat.net/media/daf1874e260393c08932dd5887200ab69e27acb24845b2a6d56f7d8674dd85fb.jpg
L643[03:26:42] <Ariri> next level hoverslam
L644[03:26:50] <Izaya> 100% unpowered landing
L645[03:26:55] <Izaya> all parachutes
L646[03:27:12] <Ariri> I kind of want to make a Starship and/or Falcon X for Mars and/or Moho
L647[03:27:15] <Ariri> I mean Duna
L648[03:27:19] <Izaya> here's my ascent script https://w1r3.net/BEDTLR.txt
L649[03:27:41] <Izaya> it sucks with low TWR or high drag rockets
L650[03:27:53] <Izaya> and will ruin your day if you have a high TWR rocket with no control surfaces
L651[03:28:02] <Ariri> define good TWR
L652[03:28:14] <Izaya> 1.8 is my preferred lower bound
L653[03:28:19] <Izaya> but I have launched 1.05 with it
L654[03:28:30] <Ariri> Should be doable then
L655[03:28:48] <Ariri> My avg TWR in an ascent stage is 2
L656[03:28:53] <Izaya> good, good
L657[03:29:01] <Izaya> it aims for an 80km ap
L658[03:29:03] <Izaya> but only roughly
L659[03:29:17] <Izaya> make sure you have enough dV to circularise in a single stage
L660[03:29:25] <Izaya> it doesn't cope with it very well if you have to stage
L661[03:29:46] <Ariri> Ah
L662[03:29:57] <Izaya> bonus points: use these two scripts on your booster
L663[03:30:17] <Izaya> so you can have it ascend, detach, plan a maneuver for itself and switch back
L664[03:30:33] <Izaya> (the ascent part can be staged, by the way, just not the circularisation burn)
L665[03:31:02] <Ariri> Do you put a kOS thing on your booster as well to have it descend?
L666[03:31:22] <Ariri> I tried it when making hoverslam but I didn't test w/o
L667[03:33:59] <Izaya> yeah
L668[03:34:09] <Izaya> and a probe core
L669[03:35:14] <Izaya> usual design is engine(s) at the bottom, big tank, fins on the tank, fairing, one size smaller service bay with probe core and kOS module, and a decoupler on top of that
L670[03:40:08] <Ariri> Gotcha
L671[03:40:43] <Ariri> Off topic, but it's weird how I came back to this game after like two months and did better than I ever did
L672[03:40:43] <Izaya> also you can clip the bigge kOS module into service bays
L673[03:40:48] <Ariri> Right off the bat
L674[03:41:20] <Ariri> Is there any difference between kOS modules other than disk space?
L675[03:41:26] <Ariri> and EC
L676[03:41:34] <Izaya> maybe power usage?
L677[03:41:45] <Izaya> probably size?
L678[03:42:05] <Ariri> Hmm
L679[03:42:20] <Ariri> Was wondering if any had like a limit on ops/sec or something
L680[03:42:28] <Ariri> Probably not though
L681[03:50:45] <Izaya> lighter, too
L682[03:52:01] <ThePiGuy24> still quite angery at DHL
L683[03:52:16] <Michiyo> Seriously, fuck DHL, I've never had luck with them
L684[03:53:36] <Izaya> https://files.catbox.moe/1sulph.webm
L685[03:53:39] <herbert_west> Michiyo, what service is good for international shipping?
L686[03:55:08] <bad at​ vijya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwKhMzdpu9Y
L687[03:55:09] <MichiBot> look it's you | length: 4s | Likes: 89,466 Dislikes: 297 Views: 1,066,833 | by lain | Published On 14/10/2019
L688[03:55:28] <bad at​ vijya> herbert_west: buy a helicopter and profit
L689[03:56:37] <herbert_west> @bad at vijya but how will I get amazon et al to let me to just pick up their package from their original warehouse
L690[03:56:49] <bad at​ vijya> so
L691[03:56:57] <bad at​ vijya> all you gotta do is strap hellfire missiles to it
L692[03:57:03] <herbert_west> ok?
L693[03:57:34] <Ariri> I don't see what's confusing here
L694[03:57:51] <bad at​ vijya> yeah
L695[03:58:03] <bad at​ vijya> alternatively: use an AIM-2
L696[03:58:10] <bad at​ vijya> AIR-2, rather
L697[03:58:18] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya: counterpoint to helicopter: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Antonov_An-225_Beltyukov-1.jpg
L698[03:58:24] <bad at​ vijya> (i am legally required to say this is a joke)
L699[03:58:30] <ThePiGuy24> I wonder how feasable it would be to get a train over the channel and pick it up from the european warehouse :thonk:
L700[03:58:48] <Ariri> there's a highway from LA to tokyo so probably
L701[03:58:53] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: alright, but, how feasible is it for me to buy one?
L702[03:59:03] <Izaya> given there is exactly one in existence
L703[03:59:05] <herbert_west> ThePiGuy24, choo choo
L704[03:59:08] <Izaya> roughly 1 in 8 billion
L705[03:59:11] <bad at​ vijya> damn
L706[03:59:58] <ThePiGuy24> get a vulcan, is another chungo plane that there is more than 1 of :p
L707[04:00:17] <ThePiGuy24> only really one operationalish but more than one exist
L708[04:00:21] <bad at​ vijya> i'll just buy a Tu-114 from japan smh
L709[04:01:24] <Izaya> me @ everyone https://social.shadowkat.net/media/5139df6e1f87dd50f40d1f93460ddf662f85bc5ef0d39f51711d1a563f2f3726.jpg
L710[04:02:40] <ThePiGuy24> Izaya when writing PsychOS :p
L711[04:02:52] <bad at​ vijya> me when writing fox-dos
L712[04:02:56] <Izaya> look man
L713[04:03:02] <Izaya> I write it, only I *have to* read it
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L715[04:06:13] <bad at​ vijya> hmm
L716[04:06:33] <bad at​ vijya> i might throw the foxfs driver into the init.lua
L717[04:06:40] <bad at​ vijya> so i can have the full foxfs driver
L718[04:09:28] <ThePi​Guy24> when can we have sideloading roms :p
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L720[04:13:38] <Amanda> 1I feel like Ishould move my EM cannon to the south pole...
L721[04:31:07] <Izaya> EM cannon? Dare I ask?
L722[04:33:02] <Amanda> DSP, not KSP
L723[04:33:15] <Izaya> oh
L724[04:33:22] <Izaya> still
L725[04:34:57] <Amanda> For launching the dyson swarm
L726[04:35:09] <Izaya> laser pushers?
L727[04:44:24] <herbert_west> Izaya, space is dark
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L729[04:54:59] <Izaya> Ariri: https://cybre.ams3.digitaloceanspaces.com/media_attachments/files/008/500/445/original/74f342c96ce86e23.jpg
L730[04:55:43] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L731[04:55:43] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! Compan​ionCube! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 1 hour, 30 minutes and 19 seconds (By 33 minutes and 15 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L732[04:55:44] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 2 hours, 3 minutes and 35 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.0011 (0.00055 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.03384 more points to pass Va​ur!
L733[04:55:47] <Ariri> im shoorketh
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L735[05:04:02] <herbert_west> %tonk
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L738[05:10:47] <i develo​p things> I should write OC-DOS 2: OCFS demo and better architecture
L739[05:11:02] <i develo​p things> Or maybe IDT-DOS
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L741[05:11:07] <i develo​p things> Idk
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L743[05:15:24] <Ariri> idk-dos
L744[05:32:05] <Izaya> > A declassified May 1990 CIA report citing open-source intelligence material states that the software for the Buran spacecraft was written in "the French-developed programming language known as Prolog",[20] possibly due to confusion with the name PROLOGUE.
L745[05:36:21] <Ariri> :?
L746[05:39:11] <bad at​ vijya> mine is called Fox-DOS because it lives on FoxFS
L747[05:41:58] <bad at​ vijya> and FoxFS DOS is a lot of letters
L748[05:42:12] <Izaya> FFS-DOS
L749[05:42:24] <bad at​ vijya> anyways, F2-DOS
L750[05:42:28] <bad at​ vijya> how about that
L751[05:42:36] <bad at​ vijya> i forgot to ctrl-a/backspace
L752[05:42:42] <bad at​ vijya> before posting F2-DOS
L753[05:43:16] <i develo​p things> F2?
L754[05:43:43] <bad at​ vijya> Fox Fs
L755[05:43:44] <i develo​p things> FoxFS > FF > F2?
L756[05:43:47] <bad at​ vijya> yes
L757[05:43:54] <i develo​p things> I see
L758[05:45:53] <Izaya> F2 for file menu
L759[05:50:45] <bad at​ vijya> honestly
L760[05:50:47] <bad at​ vijya> that'd be neat
L761[05:50:57] <bad at​ vijya> the F keys do functions in the shell
L762[05:51:09] <bad at​ vijya> i just found this in my screenshots folder
L763[05:51:10] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y4g2cdz3
L764[05:51:21] <Izaya> F2 is unavailable, unfortunately
L765[05:51:24] <i develo​p things> Lmao
L766[05:53:35] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: why's that?
L767[05:53:38] <bad at​ vijya> oh
L768[05:53:39] <bad at​ vijya> wait
L769[05:55:48] <CompanionCube> Izaya: prolog is one of those not-tiny languages where you never hear it being used for anything
L770[05:56:19] <herbert_west> Its a very obscure language
L771[05:56:25] <Izaya> I hear prolog is used for developing skynet
L772[05:56:28] <herbert_west> The main thing is most people don't understand logic
L773[05:56:36] <herbert_west> Logic is a very difficult and mathematical topic
L774[05:57:17] <Izaya> Ariri: I'm reading about the Buran program and they got a development and debugging environment written for them by a university and together the package was called PROLOGUE
L775[05:59:50] <Ariri> Oh
L776[05:59:57] <Ariri> I can see the confusion
L777[06:00:16] <bad at​ vijya> FoxFS source is already mildly cursed
L778[06:01:03] <herbert_west> @bad at vijya do you know logic?
L779[06:01:29] <herbert_west> ie the branch of mathematics
L780[06:04:25] <ThePi​Guy24> ah yes one of my famous™️ quotes
L781[06:04:45] <herbert_west> what
L782[06:05:29] <ThePi​Guy24> the image bad at vijya posted
L783[06:05:42] <Ar​iri> What do I say https://tinyurl.com/y6d9m4dy
L784[06:06:10] <ThePi​Guy24> yes
L785[06:06:49] <Ariri> I'm so conflicted about this
L786[06:07:28] <Ariri> >Are internet culture and memes not related? >Why is yes and no the only options for a this or that question?
L787[06:09:08] <ThePiGuy24> is dankmemes about (internet culture || memes)
L788[06:10:28] <Ariri> But at the same time, the meme above should really not be related to internet culture
L789[06:10:35] <Ariri> big yabai moment
L790[06:12:27] <bad at​ vijya> logic is too logical
L791[06:12:31] <bad at​ vijya> i just write cursed filesystems
L792[06:12:44] <bad at​ vijya> a particular snippet from foxfs's driver
L793[06:12:48] <bad at​ vijya> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/nunelihaxa
L794[06:16:38] <Ariri> dequbed, remember my rover problem?
L795[06:19:30] <Izaya> hmm
L796[06:19:40] <Izaya> continue series I was reading, or read The Outcasts of Heaven's Belt
L797[06:20:35] <Ariri> %roll 1d2
L798[06:20:35] <MichiBot> 2
L799[06:21:58] <Izaya> Outcasts of Heaven's Belt it is
L800[06:22:53] <Ariri> Izaya, any KSP moosiks or some chill soundtrack?
L801[06:25:12] <Izaya> got a whole list for your consideration
L802[06:25:57] <Ariri> Fire away
L803[06:26:17] <Ariri> And speaking of fire, how do you like my 'strut blocked EVA hatch because of poor planning' solution? https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/wNcCZ6DBxewdZxJ/preview
L804[06:26:48] <Izaya> You seem to be making a habit of it.
L805[06:27:08] <Ariri> No that's the same rover
L806[06:27:13] <Ariri> I just sort of left it there
L807[06:28:19] <Izaya> https://w1r3.net/ykLoYT.txt
L808[06:28:53] <Ariri> >hatches are obstructed, can't exit
L809[06:28:54] <Ariri> wot
L810[06:29:35] <Izaya> tl;dr Stellaris, Endless Space 1 and 2, Aldnoah.Zero, WH40K mechanicus, Brigador, Terraria, The Expanse and FTL OSTs, plus some assorted Stellardrone
L811[06:30:32] <Ariri> no kidding about list
L812[06:30:43] <Izaya> I don't fuck around
L813[06:30:51] <Izaya> also I have most of those in FLAC
L814[06:30:53] <Ariri> I can see that
L815[06:31:01] <Izaya> the most important one though
L816[06:31:04] <Izaya> https://au.ytprivate.com/watch?v=ZzMt1A7yBIk
L817[06:32:39] <Izaya> thinking about packing each album into its own squashfs file
L818[06:32:59] <Izaya> issue is I'd end up with a fstab as long as the M1
L819[06:33:22] <Ariri> Oh, game thought the part that fell off was still attached, can EVA now
L820[06:33:32] <Izaya> switched to it and back?
L821[06:33:42] <Ariri> Disassembled it and it worked
L822[06:33:46] <Ariri> quicksave-load didn't
L823[06:33:55] <Izaya> aha
L824[06:34:35] <Ariri> I'll put these (whatever I can find) into a big soundcloud playlist and/or download them, thanks
L825[06:35:28] <Izaya> I don't have a reaction image for mild disgust, so you'll have to take this textual representation instead.
L826[06:35:35] <Izaya> Hey, know what I like about old anime?
L827[06:35:50] <Izaya> 4:3 fits nicely into the bottom half of a 16:10 display
L828[06:37:08] <Ariri> Yeah yeah Soundcloud bad and compressed
L829[06:37:43] <Ariri> But I usually just listen to music on mobile, so I want it synced without the PITA that is iTunes on anything that's not Mac
L830[06:38:21] <Izaya> just remembered that apple devices can't deal with webm or opus(?)
L831[06:38:24] <Izaya> lmao
L832[06:38:47] <Ariri> I have to open your webms in VLC if I view them on mobile, yeah
L833[06:39:01] <Ariri> Idk about Opus though
L834[06:39:57] <Izaya> opus I'm iffy about because it's so widely used for VOIP
L835[06:40:22] <Izaya> given it's pretty much the best lossy audio codec
L836[06:40:51] <Izaya> (preemptive bugger off with your experimental codecs and vendor-specific garbage)
L837[06:41:38] <Ariri> I like iOS enough to still dd it, but I don't agree with *all* the propietary nonsense
L838[06:42:03] <Ariri> It's software mainly driven for those who don't understand what they're using well enough, so w/e
L839[06:45:06] <Izaya> that wasn't directed at you specifically
L840[06:45:19] <Izaya> but I do define apple's special snowflake not-FLAC and not-opus as proprietary garbage
L841[06:45:48] <Izaya> unrelated but this outfit is cute https://social.shadowkat.net/media/7d5178b77b5ed356b3f090eb9e3d79431d321f70842d2d71010722856ec4514b.jpg
L842[06:48:21] <Ko​dos> TIL This is a thing https://puu.sh/Hbfvr/77e6c0380e.png
L843[06:48:42] <Ariri> Is that... Emilia?
L844[06:48:55] <Izaya> >.> <.< noooo
L845[06:49:23] <Ariri> If you told me she was a different character, I would believe you
L846[06:49:42] <Ariri> That's vastly different from her personality previouslyt
L847[06:49:43] <Izaya> I've said too much already.
L848[06:50:06] <Izaya> https://i.redd.it/quhpjovqm0e61.png
L849[06:50:52] <Ariri> think wisely before you choose
L850[06:52:45] <Izaya> I need a second set of media control buttons >.>
L851[06:56:36] <Ariri> May I recommend the Faunchpad
L852[06:56:48] <Ariri> Sorry
L853[06:57:07] <Izaya> I take it you got a discount too? :p
L854[06:57:33] <Ariri> Lol
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L857[07:01:54] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L858[07:01:54] <MichiBot> Potzblitz! Compan​ionCube! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 3 minutes and 35 seconds (By 2 minutes and 35 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L859[07:01:55] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.20619, Position #3 Need 0.02984 more points to pass Va​ur!
L860[07:03:51] <Ariri> I can see why the Mun colony designs I've seen usually lack solar panels or have lots of batts
L861[07:03:54] <Ariri> Long nights
L862[07:07:49] <Izaya> heh, my rep is nearly as high as my other campaign save
L863[07:10:48] <Izaya> 16 days until my probe leaves kerbin's SOI
L864[07:10:49] <Izaya> what a pain
L865[07:12:08] <Ariri> Is it big? My probe took only 2.5 days to reach Minmus's SOI, and is on an escape course unless I capture
L866[07:12:34] <Ariri> I don't know enough about orbital mechanics as I should tbh
L867[07:12:41] <Izaya> no but I'm trying to match kerbin's orbit
L868[07:12:45] <Izaya> so I didn't want to use much dV
L869[07:12:56] <Izaya> and lmao imagine knowing anything about orbital mechanics
L870[07:13:03] <Ariri> Oh
L871[07:13:06] <Izaya> maneuver nodes go brr
L872[07:13:30] <Ariri> Speaking of which, how can I get probes to be able to use manuever node targeting
L873[07:13:46] <Izaya> if it has a kOS module on it, lock steering to nextnode.
L874[07:14:11] <Ariri> Isn't there a vanilla way of doing it too?
L875[07:14:22] <Ariri> I know pilots are limited by skill
L876[07:14:29] <Izaya> imagine it's based on probe core level
L877[07:14:41] <Izaya> > no passenger missions
L878[07:14:43] <Izaya> ree
L879[07:15:24] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L880[07:16:14] <Ariri> I wonder if I can laze my way out of building my colony in space and landing it properly
L881[07:16:38] <Izaya> anime with a classical music intro
L882[07:16:41] <Izaya> this is most unusual
L883[07:17:22] <Ariri> reminds me of all the anime versions of renaissance/enlightenment figures
L884[07:19:21] <Izaya> ah shit
L885[07:19:32] <Izaya> looks like we're landing sans the landing module
L886[07:19:42] <Izaya> ... actually, I don't think we'll be landing
L887[07:19:45] <Izaya> :|
L888[07:20:00] <Ariri> Make sure to grab your science before you go splat
L889[07:20:16] <Izaya> gonna do a low orbit and send the MkII MunFlea instead
L890[07:20:31] <Ariri> This is the part where you use the explosion of the heat shield at just the right second and kill you excess momentum
L891[07:20:46] <Amanda> oops. It's 0200
L892[07:20:50] <Amanda> guess I'll sleep
L893[07:20:52] <Amanda> night nerds
L894[07:21:01] <Ariri> good night
L895[07:23:09] <Izaya> so [mild concern] in that the MkIII Mun Flea's engines are too tall to safely land with
L896[07:24:34] <Izaya> hmhm
L897[07:24:52] <Izaya> I could use an engine plate and a coupling to deal with the aerodynamics of this thign
L898[07:25:05] <Izaya> > test new MunFlea
L899[07:25:09] <Izaya> > landing legs instantly explode
L900[07:25:16] <Izaya> what did it mean by this
L901[07:25:29] <Ariri> it means you're going in the right direction
L902[07:25:40] <Ariri> down
L903[07:26:10] <Izaya> alright so I have the engine bound to retract when you deploy the landing gear
L904[07:28:04] <Shuud​oushi> Izaya @MGR holy shit my dudes, i don't ever want to hear shit about how I treat fuck tards from either of y'all xD https://tinyurl.com/y4l5cv8j
L905[07:28:50] <Izaya> Can you say I was wrong?
L906[07:29:37] <Shuud​oushi> Fuck no i can't, but i did wake the housemates when I started belly laughing from reading that little exchange lololol
L907[07:31:02] <Izaya> worth it
L908[07:31:15] <Shuud​oushi> 1000% lulz
L909[07:32:34] <Shuud​oushi> I hate these fucking messenger ads... Every time one comes on, i think i got a message -_-
L910[07:33:12] <Ariri> Facebook Messenger? If so, there's your problem :P
L911[07:34:19] <Izaya> I don't do as many multi-stage missions as I should.
L912[07:34:40] <Shuud​oushi> Yeah yeah yeah. I got some weird friends that think phones are spy equipment, yet readably use social media
L913[07:35:31] <Shuud​oushi> I wonder if that "ad block" DNS server is still a thing
L914[07:35:41] <Izaya> pihole my dude
L915[07:35:51] <Izaya> alright let's see if this very aerodynamic monstrosity can fly
L916[07:35:51] <Ariri> For the record, I hardly use social media at all, and phones have been used for surveillance
L917[07:35:59] <Ariri> PiHole is love
L918[07:36:09] <Ariri> (Pihole?)
L919[07:36:32] <Izaya> y'know
L920[07:36:42] <Izaya> I was joking about ThinkPad-san being my one true love
L921[07:36:43] <Izaya> but it's not true
L922[07:36:57] <Izaya> Rockomax RE-M3 "Mainsail" is my one true love
L923[07:37:28] <Ariri> Seems like your type of explosion controller
L924[07:38:18] <Ariri> I hardly make rockets big enough to fit them sadly
L925[07:38:44] <Izaya> the MunFlea MkII is a monstrosity
L926[07:38:51] <Izaya> it low-key bankrupts me every time I launch one
L927[07:39:07] <Izaya> just from the sheer amount of LH2 involved
L928[07:39:42] <Izaya> on the upside
L929[07:39:49] <Izaya> the aerodynamics helper thingo works
L930[07:39:51] <Ariri> My face is that meme where the dude blinks his eyes and opens them in shock/surprise
L931[07:39:52] <Izaya> so that's good
L932[07:40:10] <Izaya> let's see if I can save some weight by having external LH2 tanks instead
L933[07:40:24] <Izaya> ... or I could strap some SRBs to it.
L934[07:40:28] <Ariri> I'm assuming you have more than 35% rep and therefore lots of funds, so that's quite a statemtn
L935[07:40:49] <Izaya> no I'm on 38% rep and 800k funds or so
L936[07:40:55] <Izaya> still on day 1
L937[07:41:33] <Ariri> Did you restart?
L938[07:41:39] <Izaya> no
L939[07:41:45] <Ariri> nani
L940[07:41:56] <Izaya> KSP wears me out and I've been trying to make as much use of my game time as possible
L941[07:42:05] <Izaya> it hasn't actually helped I'm going to end up being last on the Mun
L942[07:42:39] <Ariri> I've been trying to be efficient too, but that's impressive
L943[07:43:20] <Izaya> protip
L944[07:43:44] <Izaya> aerodynamic nose cone + 06-12 fuel tank adaptor holds more than a 1.25m hemispherical fuel tank
L945[07:44:04] <Izaya> if you wanna be real fancy you can put a parachute on top instead
L946[07:44:16] <Ariri> :o
L947[07:45:37] <Izaya> also I put a cursed aerodynamic solution onto this thing
L948[07:45:42] <Shuud​oushi> Ariri: ofc phones have been used for surveillance, but uncle sam doesn't give two shits about some twat from po-dunk nowhere
L949[07:45:43] <Izaya> the top of the rocket is small and irregular
L950[07:46:04] <Izaya> so I slapped a decoupler, an upside down fairing, and a nose cone on the top
L951[07:46:27] <Shuud​oushi> shudders
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L953[07:46:41] <Shuud​oushi> Why you do that tho izaya...
L954[07:46:48] <Izaya> aerodynamics are important
L955[07:46:50] <Ariri> True, but Google and you local police department would like to know exactly where you were from 0800 to 1400 yesterday with more context if they so please
L956[07:46:56] <Izaya> if I don't do that the rocket cartwheels into the upper atmosphere
L957[07:47:08] <Ariri> s/you/your
L958[07:47:08] <MichiBot> <Ariri> True, but Google and your local police department would like to know exactly where you were from 0800 to 1400 yesterday with more context if they so please
L959[07:47:37] <Shuud​oushi> Ariri: your local police need a federal warrant for that
L960[07:47:53] <Izaya> hm
L961[07:47:56] <Izaya> okay
L962[07:47:57] <Izaya> well
L963[07:48:03] <Izaya> parachutes on SRBs + fuel tanks?
L964[07:48:05] <Izaya> not so useful.
L965[07:48:09] <Ariri> Not really, since it's Google's data, and they cooperate
L966[07:48:17] <Izaya> they just slam into each other
L967[07:48:28] <Shuud​oushi> Google on the other hand, yeah they just track you every 30 seconds
L968[07:48:31] <Ariri> Seperatron time
L969[07:49:17] <Shuud​oushi> Ariri: unless you're in california (yes, i know YOU are, but still), a federal warrant is required
L970[07:49:22] <Ariri> I was directly referring to Securovault or whatever they like to call it (Google) information being available to access by police
L971[07:49:33] <Ariri> No federal warrant, afaik, was needed.
L972[07:49:48] <Izaya> first stage has a TWR of 4.5 B)
L973[07:50:00] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L974[07:50:01] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! Forec​aster! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 48 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L975[07:50:01] <Izaya> gravity has no power here
L976[07:50:02] <Ariri> stronks
L977[07:50:02] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 48 minutes and 6 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.0008 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L978[07:50:25] <Inari> Waow
L979[07:50:32] <Inari> DSP sure got popular.
L980[07:50:34] <Shuud​oushi> Basic info only and gps data is one ping every 6 hours. It's too much data otherwise
L981[07:51:03] <Shuud​oushi> Inari: guten Morgen, wie geht's
L982[07:51:28] <Izaya> guys help my SRBs are bending
L983[07:51:33] <Ariri> You're either not reading what I'm saying correctly/I'm not being clear, or you severely underestimate Google's history
L984[07:51:40] <Ariri> Izaya, moar struts
L985[07:51:42] <Shuud​oushi> MOAR STRUTS!!!
L986[07:51:54] <Izaya> galaxy brain idea, BRB gotta go to the VAB
L987[07:52:16] <Inari> @Shuudoushi Etwas müde :P Und noch viel zu tun, aber sonst okay
L988[07:53:18] <Izaya> I wish KSP had a narrator function like - oh hey it's doing cartwheels - minecraft so it could try to make sense of [parachutes deploy] and [explosions from below] at the same time
L989[07:53:45] <Shuud​oushi> Inari: gut
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L992[07:54:11] <Izaya> I need a stronker launch vehicle
L993[07:54:14] <Izaya> the mainsail is good but ???
L994[07:54:18] <Inari> German feels awkward to write on the net
L995[07:54:25] <Ariri> Have you tried 2
L996[07:54:35] <Shuud​oushi> Izaya: lmfao. Wait till i get a new PC built, I'll make a mod just for that lol
L997[07:54:58] <Izaya> > reentry in 30s
L998[07:55:04] <Izaya> > burn time 4m30s
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L1001[07:55:18] <Ariri> polmao
L1002[07:55:19] <Shuud​oushi> Event log >> TTS
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L1005[07:55:39] <Izaya> ...
L1006[07:55:42] <Shuud​oushi> Inari: oof, but same lol
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L1008[07:55:47] <Izaya> Shuudoushi stop giving me terrible ideas
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L1010[07:56:00] <Izaya> I can have kOS write to the archive and tail -f piped into espeak
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L1014[07:56:09] <Shuud​oushi> Izaya: stfu and do it, coward!
L1015[07:56:14] <Izaya> watch me
L1016[07:56:44] <Izaya> dequbed: this is why I like my high-TWR rockets
L1017[07:56:56] <Izaya> glad I kept the nosecone because lmao we're dipping back into the atmosphere
L1018[07:57:02] <Ariri> Morgan Freeman: And this is the part where everything went wrong and the world began to end.
L1019[07:57:16] <Shuud​oushi> Lulz
L1020[07:57:26] <Izaya> okay let's strap some more ... everything onto this
L1021[07:58:27] <Shuud​oushi> Unless it can yeet 100k tons to another galaxy, it's trash, try again
L1022[07:58:29] <Shuud​oushi> Lol
L1023[07:58:49] <Izaya> needs more reaction wheels
L1024[07:58:54] *** TPG24 is now known as ThePiGuy24
L1025[07:58:58] <Izaya> needs more mainsails
L1026[07:59:20] <Ariri> Wasn't kidding about the 'everything' part
L1027[07:59:22] <Shuud​oushi> Solid fuel all the things!
L1028[07:59:32] <Izaya> you've heard of SSTO
L1029[07:59:39] <Izaya> but are you ready for SFTO?
L1030[07:59:43] <Izaya> Solid Fuel To Orbit (and beyond)
L1031[07:59:46] <Shuud​oushi> XD
L1032[08:00:06] <Izaya> I don't have a 2.5m service bay
L1033[08:00:13] <Izaya> so I have an unstaged fairing instead
L1034[08:00:15] <Shuud​oushi> Make one
L1035[08:00:20] <Ariri> Super F*cking Terrifying Object?
L1036[08:00:29] <Izaya> no that comes next
L1037[08:00:36] <Izaya> it has no less than 8 LVT-N NERV rockets
L1038[08:00:49] <Shuud​oushi> It's like 10min in blender if you don't give a fuck about pretty colors
L1039[08:00:57] <Izaya> I mean there's one in the game already
L1040[08:01:02] <Izaya> I haven't unlocked it yet
L1041[08:01:06] <Izaya> hence kludging it with fairings
L1042[08:01:16] <Izaya> it occurs to me
L1043[08:01:23] <Izaya> that even if the mainsail + booster don't make orbit
L1044[08:01:34] <Ariri> I am beyond comprehending anything that's going to happen in Izaya's campaign (without Freeman's narration ofc)
L1045[08:01:43] <Shuud​oushi> Add moar booster?
L1046[08:01:44] <Izaya> they're more likely to get me there before I reenter the atmosphere
L1047[08:01:55] <Izaya> than if I jettison them before leaving the atmosphere
L1048[08:01:59] <Izaya> or put more simply
L1049[08:02:03] <Izaya> "fuck it, we're doing it live"
L1050[08:02:11] <Shuud​oushi> XD
L1051[08:02:37] <Shuud​oushi> it was at this moment, he knew, he fucked up
L1052[08:02:40] <Shuud​oushi> Lmao
L1053[08:02:58] <Izaya> even with more reaction wheels
L1054[08:03:01] <Izaya> it still cartwheels
L1055[08:03:04] <Izaya> goddamnit
L1056[08:03:12] <Shuud​oushi> Need to buzz my head again... But cold...
L1057[08:03:24] <Izaya> MORE FINS
L1058[08:03:34] <Shuud​oushi> "stabilizer" boosters!!!
L1059[08:03:43] <Izaya> see
L1060[08:03:49] <Izaya> I feel like this is a definite struts situation
L1061[08:03:50] <Izaya> not boosters
L1062[08:03:53] <Shuud​oushi> MOAR GIMBAL!!!!
L1063[08:03:58] <Izaya> it moves and I don't want it to
L1064[08:03:59] <Izaya> y'know?
L1065[08:04:28] <Shuud​oushi> ALL PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED WITH BOOSTERS!!!
L1066[08:04:34] <Shuud​oushi> And gimbal
L1067[08:05:24] <Izaya> Ariri: if it makes you feel any better
L1068[08:05:34] <Izaya> my campaign is an exercise in endless throwing shit at the wall until it works
L1069[08:05:34] <ThePi​Guy24> SSTS, Single Stage To Sol
L1070[08:05:36] <Shuud​oushi> Boosters at the top, and the bottom. Good ol "push/pull"
L1071[08:06:02] <Izaya> I'm taking the elon musk approach of "blow up lots of rockets on the launchpad"
L1072[08:06:20] <Shuud​oushi> Lolol
L1073[08:06:54] <Izaya> why does my rocket keep flipping :<
L1074[08:06:55] <Ar​iri> Your next sentence is: “blow up the launch pad”
L1075[08:07:07] <Izaya> let's see if it does better without the cursed fairing
L1076[08:07:10] <Ar​iri> Where are the reaction wheels
L1077[08:07:18] <Izaya> more or less centre of mass
L1078[08:07:24] <Shuud​oushi> Because it needs MOAR BOOSTERS!!!
L1079[08:07:38] <Ar​iri> Put some at the top too?
L1080[08:07:59] <Ar​iri> If there is a definite “up” at this point that is
L1081[08:08:00] <Izaya> reaction wheels for you and for you and for you
L1082[08:08:15] <Shuud​oushi> I always put my reaction wheels away from the center of mass myself...
L1083[08:08:34] * Izaya coughs
L1084[08:08:35] <Izaya> My engineers tell me that
L1085[08:08:39] * Izaya reads paper
L1086[08:08:46] <Izaya> I should be shot for my crimes. Huh.
L1087[08:08:52] <Izaya> Wonder who wrote that.
L1088[08:08:53] <Shuud​oushi> Lmfao
L1089[08:09:03] <Ar​iri> You should probably listen to your engineers
L1090[08:09:04] <Shuud​oushi> It was bill
L1091[08:10:00] <Shuud​oushi> It's not truly cursed, till it deletes the plant upon physics load
L1092[08:10:23] <Shuud​oushi> Planet*
L1093[08:10:46] <Izaya> cartwheeling rocket yay
L1094[08:10:47] <Ar​iri> Izaya takes “go big or go home” to a new level
L1095[08:11:32] <Izaya> Ariri: I once launched a station fuel module using nothing but the fuel module itself, two Mainsails and two Fujis
L1096[08:11:46] <Shuud​oushi> Hey, upside, if it deleted the planet upon physics load, you technically got it into space with no effort :D
L1097[08:11:54] <Ar​iri> https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-mark-huh-what-confused-gif-4995479
L1098[08:13:01] <Izaya> so a fuel contains fuel, yes?
L1099[08:13:05] <Izaya> fuel which is also reaction mass?
L1100[08:13:16] <CompanionCube> Izaya: images of your abomination?
L1101[08:13:19] <Shuud​oushi> Yes
L1102[08:13:34] <Izaya> the current one or the station
L1103[08:13:44] <CompanionCube> the current onne
L1104[08:13:55] <Shuud​oushi> We must bare eyes upon the killer of god!
L1105[08:14:04] <Ar​iri> I get ‘what’ you did, just not everything else you’re doing
L1106[08:14:19] <Ar​iri> what’s that command
L1107[08:14:21] <Ar​iri> %quote
L1108[08:14:22] <MichiBot> Quote #4: <Ko​dos> Life is too short for matching socks.
L1109[08:14:54] <Ar​iri> bah humbug i can’t be bothered
L1110[08:15:11] <Izaya> okay design mildly improved hopefully
L1111[08:15:21] <Izaya> two sets of two 1.8m reaction wheels at either end
L1112[08:15:28] <Shuud​oushi> With moar booster?
L1113[08:15:32] <Izaya> yees
L1114[08:15:38] <Shuud​oushi> Yes :3
L1115[08:15:54] <Izaya> what if I put boosters on my boosters
L1116[08:16:04] <Shuud​oushi> FULL SEND! SMOKING HOLE OR BUST, DAMN IT!
L1117[08:16:17] <CompanionCube> inb4 'RCS to orbit'
L1118[08:16:22] <Izaya> shuu you're encouraging my already bad tendencies
L1119[08:16:22] <Shuud​oushi> You can never have too much booster
L1120[08:16:27] <Izaya> CompanionCube: that's what you call NSTO
L1121[08:16:30] <Izaya> no stages to orbit
L1122[08:17:17] <Shuud​oushi> Does getting to orbit with decouplers alone count as nsto?
L1123[08:17:32] <Izaya> if you activate them with action groups or kOS, yes
L1124[08:17:46] <Izaya> new version doesn't flip out!
L1125[08:17:51] <Shuud​oushi> WOOT!
L1126[08:18:03] <Izaya> good, I was running out of money for reaction wheels.
L1127[08:18:16] <CompanionCube> Izaya: <dril joke here>
L1128[08:19:18] <CompanionCube> at least is no longer derp and instead interesting, though?
L1129[08:19:45] <Izaya> fuckin
L1130[08:19:46] <Izaya> nosecone
L1131[08:19:53] <Izaya> pulled off my solar panels
L1132[08:20:08] <Shuud​oushi> Lol
L1133[08:20:08] <Izaya> tell you what though
L1134[08:20:10] <Izaya> we are in stable orbit
L1135[08:20:35] <Izaya> 3.8km/s of dV to play with
L1136[08:20:43] <CompanionCube> who needs those anyway, decoupling was 100% planned
L1137[08:21:06] <Shuud​oushi> Need sleep, peace y'all
L1138[08:21:11] <Izaya> o/
L1139[08:21:18] <Izaya> okay new plan
L1140[08:21:23] <Izaya> eject nosecone at 60km
L1141[08:21:29] <Izaya> because it keeps ruining my day
L1142[08:21:34] <Izaya> actually, let's see if this flies iwthout
L1143[08:21:43] <CompanionCube> yeet noisecone into orbif
L1144[08:21:50] <CompanionCube> because noisecone sucks
L1145[08:22:01] <Izaya> y'know
L1146[08:22:05] <Izaya> I have this teensy little SRB
L1147[08:22:10] <Izaya> for times just like this
L1148[08:23:05] <Izaya> know what I like about kOS?
L1149[08:23:11] <Izaya> I can launch my rocket before physics settles.
L1150[08:25:50] <Izaya> https://w1r3.net/psjeFk.jpg
L1151[08:26:31] <Izaya> https://w1r3.net/oUpkdJ.jpg
L1152[08:26:36] <Izaya> https://w1r3.net/gqJTZb.jpg
L1153[08:28:08] <Izaya> 1.2km/s below 30km
L1154[08:28:11] <Izaya> nice
L1155[08:29:37] <Izaya> oh damn
L1156[08:29:43] <Izaya> I'm gonna make orbit with just the booster
L1157[08:29:47] <Izaya> no LH2 depletion necessary
L1158[08:31:11] <Izaya> not sure how to feel about this working.
L1159[08:31:42] <Izaya> but I do know that if it's going to make it to orbit I need to add a probe core to the booster
L1160[08:33:07] <Ar​iri> The SKS flag really completes the craft
L1161[08:33:26] <Izaya> It really does, doesn't it? :D
L1162[08:33:43] <Izaya> What's a space program without some planetary pride?
L1163[08:34:34] <Izaya> this time it flips
L1164[08:34:36] <Izaya> wtf
L1165[08:34:50] <Izaya> is this thing really so unreliable that it doesn't matter what I do, sometimes it'll fuck me?
L1166[08:36:56] <Izaya> gonna thrust limit the mainsail until the first stage is dumped
L1167[08:38:00] <Ar​iri> This is usually the part where a wise person would say ‘start over,’ but I’m even if I was wise, I’m going to bed
L1168[08:38:05] <Ar​iri> Have fun kids
L1169[08:38:26] <Izaya> o7
L1170[08:38:34] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/fa2a08cca6354c1fc8726727ef96046b51f02ea969db4a5e04efcc6bd2c3c437.jpg
L1171[08:39:04] <Ar​iri> nice
L1172[08:39:04] <Ar​iri> o7
L1173[08:39:55] <Izaya> None of the boosters went boom this time!
L1174[08:39:57] <Izaya> This never happens!
L1175[08:47:37] <CompanionCube> who needs an SKS flag when you have hammer and sickle of glorious Kerbal People's Union.
L1176[08:48:24] <Izaya> I explain away "revert to launch" with "none of the failures are publicised"
L1177[08:50:56] <CompanionCube> Izaya: and then it leaks when a booster lands on something noticeable!
L1178[08:51:15] <Izaya> Kerbin is fortunately free of such things.
L1179[08:52:28] <CompanionCube> said before you somehow land one on a part of KSC :p
L1180[08:52:42] <Izaya> That was a great success, though.
L1181[08:52:49] <Izaya> Such precision.
L1182[08:53:09] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/daf1874e260393c08932dd5887200ab69e27acb24845b2a6d56f7d8674dd85fb.jpg
L1183[08:53:33] <ThePiGuy24> lerpolation
L1184[09:08:49] <SquidDev> %tonk
L1185[09:08:50] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! Squi​dDev! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 48 minutes and 6 seconds (By 30 minutes and 42 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1186[09:08:51] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new record is 1 hour, 18 minutes and 49 seconds! SquidDev also gained 0.00051 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #9 => #8. (Overtook Ocawesome101) Need 0 more points to pass Shuud​oushi!
L1187[09:09:20] <SquidDev> "Need 0 more points to pass Shuud​oushi!" ⬅ 🤔
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L1190[09:17:50] <ThePi​Guy24> %tonkleaders
L1191[09:17:50] <MichiBot> ThePi​Guy24: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L1192[09:18:11] <ThePi​Guy24> https://tinyurl.com/yy5ry2ez
L1193[09:18:33] <SquidDev> Oh, I understand why. Just mildly amused by it.
L1194[09:18:41] <SquidDev> Really we should both be #7, but that's far too much hassle.
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L1197[10:30:38] <dequbed> Izaya: > me a wrinkled brain: *does the maths* > you, a smooth brain: solid fuel to orbit and beyond.
L1198[10:33:42] <dequbed> Also I'm 80% sure KSP does not simulate that but gyroscopes and other reaction wheels can only ever generate a moment, never thrust. So they should be right on the CoM
L1199[10:36:44] <Inari> I reallly don't know why the nether exists like this
L1200[10:37:00] <Inari> Hours of tedious low-reward high-risk exploration, who doesn't like it
L1201[10:37:07] <Izaya> as a hell analog it's too much like purgatory
L1202[10:53:03] <Izaya> dequbed: brute force works B)
L1203[10:53:16] <Izaya> it rarely works well, but it does work
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L1206[11:01:20] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L1207[11:01:21] <MichiBot> Yeah! Squi​dDev! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 18 minutes and 49 seconds (By 33 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1208[11:01:22] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.001 tonk points! Current score: 0.00724, Position #8 => #7 (Overtook Shuudoushi) Need 0.00152 more points to pass deq​ubed!
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L1220[12:59:52] <dequbed> Izaya: Also now go land on the VAB from orbit
L1221[13:05:41] * Amanda rolls off the log in Elfi's grove she was sleeping on, meows
L1222[13:06:03] <Va​ur> %tonk
L1223[13:06:04] <MichiBot> Waesucks! Va​ur! You beat Squi​dDev's previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 4 minutes and 43 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1224[13:06:05] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 2 hours, 4 minutes and 43 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00208 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.00562 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L1225[13:06:10] <Amanda> ~4h of sleep ultimately. This is fine.
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L1228[13:49:43] <cranbe​rryjam> https://tinyurl.com/y2mq7deg
L1229[13:49:54] <cranbe​rryjam> how do i run this
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L1236[15:09:40] <i develo​p things> @cranberryjam run whatever it put in /usr/bin
L1237[15:10:30] <i develo​p things> Oppm just deals with package installation and removal. Packages usually contain libraries and/or commands you can just straight up run in the shell.
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L1240[16:45:17] <Inari> %splash Amanda with mutable potion
L1241[16:45:18] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable mithril potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda turns into a redstone turtle until they exit the room.
L1242[16:47:31] <minas_tirith> %tonk
L1243[16:47:32] <MichiBot> minas_​tirith: You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L1244[16:57:36] <Ar​iri> Amanda: that means it’s nap time
L1245[17:01:22] <Ariri> Wow, my sleep tracker got a major UI overhaul including statistics that would help a normal person be more mindful of their patterns
L1246[17:01:27] <Ariri> It's a good thing I can't read
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L1248[17:04:36] <SquidDev> %tonk
L1249[17:04:37] <MichiBot> Fiddlesticks! Squi​dDev! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 2 hours, 4 minutes and 43 seconds (By 1 hour, 53 minutes and 49 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1250[17:04:38] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new record is 3 hours, 58 minutes and 32 seconds! SquidDev also gained 0.0057 (0.0019 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #7 => #6. (Overtook dequbed) Need 0.00219 more points to pass bau​en1!
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L1252[17:07:52] <Ocawesome101> hello there
L1253[17:08:12] <Ocawesome101> just replaced the keyboard on this thing and omg it feels so much better
L1254[17:08:52] <Ocawesome101> (15 year old laptop that saw heavy use for years, of course the keyboard had gone to crap :P)
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L1256[17:16:22] <i_develop_things> remind me how i switch tabs in irssi?
L1257[17:18:17] <Amanda> @Ariri I wish, my ADHD meds don't let me go back to sleep once I've taken them
L1258[17:18:35] <Amanda> %bite Inari
L1259[17:18:35] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is trying to bite Ina​ri! They have 5 minutes if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
L1260[17:19:19] <Ariri> Oh yeah, forgot about those
L1261[17:20:38] <bad at​ vijya> uhhh
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L1263[17:21:10] <badatvijya> alt-arrows
L1264[17:23:31] <i_develop_things> not on a mac, apparently
L1265[17:23:51] <minas_tirith> where'd the pine guy go
L1266[17:24:03] <i_develop_things> who're you
L1267[17:24:03] <minas_tirith> i_develop_things, welcome to this side of the telephone!
L1268[17:24:04] <minas_tirith> Finally
L1269[17:24:10] <i_develop_things> ah same person
L1270[17:24:12] <minas_tirith> We talked yesterday?
L1271[17:24:14] <i_develop_things> yeah here i am
L1272[17:24:21] <i_develop_things> you're using a different name so y'know
L1273[17:24:22] <minas_tirith> Yeah
L1274[17:24:25] <minas_tirith> oh
L1275[17:24:27] <minas_tirith> yeah
L1276[17:24:55] <i_develop_things> also, how many times do we have to tell you it isn't a telephone?
L1277[17:24:58] <i_develop_things> :^)
L1278[17:25:07] <minas_tirith> it looks like a telephone to me
L1279[17:25:15] <minas_tirith> Did you just join this end
L1280[17:25:23] <i_develop_things> 30ish minutes ago yeah
L1281[17:25:27] <i_develop_things> i've been on here before though
L1282[17:25:28] <minas_tirith> :)
L1283[17:27:13] <minas_tirith> i_develop_things, where'd pine guy go
L1284[17:36:12] <minas_tirith> i_develop_things, what kind of things do you develop
L1285[17:36:44] <i_develop_things> wdym pine guy
L1286[17:37:07] <minas_tirith> pineguy24 or something
L1287[17:37:11] <i_develop_things> ohhhh
L1288[17:37:16] <i_develop_things> thepiguy24
L1289[17:37:21] <i_develop_things> i have no idea
L1290[17:37:30] <minas_tirith> Yeah
L1291[17:37:38] <i_develop_things> i mostly develop things for OpenComputers currently, though i have also written a couple text editors
L1292[17:37:48] <i_develop_things> two of which are Actually Good:tm:
L1293[17:38:08] <minas_tirith> What did you write the editors in
L1294[17:38:13] <i_develop_things> Lua, of course!
L1295[17:38:34] <minas_tirith> How do you find these obscure languages?
L1296[17:38:37] <i_develop_things> i might try rewriting one of them in another language at some point, idk
L1297[17:38:47] <minas_tirith> Do you like C
L1298[17:38:49] <i_develop_things> lua isn't terribly obscure, just not very popular
L1299[17:39:07] <i_develop_things> C is okay, i don't use it a lot because there are many conveniences that higher-level languages have that C doesn't
L1300[17:39:16] <minas_tirith> C is very pleasant
L1301[17:39:20] <i_develop_things> i've written a couple small programs in C
L1302[17:39:24] <minas_tirith> such as
L1303[17:39:26] <minas_tirith> ?
L1304[17:39:36] <i_develop_things> `segmentation fault (core dumped)` is the bane of my effing existence
L1305[17:39:52] <i_develop_things> i wrote clones of `cat` and `wc` following a guide
L1306[17:39:58] <i_develop_things> couple other small programs
L1307[17:40:02] <i_develop_things> nothing noteworthy
L1308[17:40:17] <minas_tirith> If you've written complex things like text editors, memory management should have become second habit
L1309[17:40:29] <i_develop_things> lua has a garbage collector
L1310[17:40:33] <i_develop_things> it's interpreted
L1311[17:40:41] <minas_tirith> hows the type system
L1312[17:40:47] <i_develop_things> still really fast (like 10-20x faster than python in some cases)
L1313[17:40:59] <i_develop_things> type system? lua? hahahaha no
L1314[17:41:08] <i_develop_things> it's dynamically typed
L1315[17:41:10] <minas_tirith> Dynamic typing is headache fuel
L1316[17:41:15] <i_develop_things> honestly i like it
L1317[17:41:22] <i_develop_things> it's convenient in more cases than not
L1318[17:41:29] <minas_tirith> I like having a compiler point out a whole class of bugs
L1319[17:41:32] <i_develop_things> and you can still get the type of the value assigned to a variable
L1320[17:41:36] <minas_tirith> I'll probably try learning C++ or Rust next
L1321[17:41:51] <i_develop_things> fortunately lua is relatively simple so debugging usually isn't too hard
L1322[17:42:14] <i_develop_things> plus OC has `checkArg(n, argument, type1, type2, ...)` which makes argument checking really easy
L1323[17:42:48] <minas_tirith> Thats certainly a pleasant feature to have
L1324[17:42:50] <minas_tirith> Still
L1325[17:43:02] <i_develop_things> i understand the appeal of static typing
L1326[17:43:10] <i_develop_things> it makes returning errors more difficult though IMO
L1327[17:43:13] <minas_tirith> Dynamic typing means a whole class of bugs that get easily detected by a compiler are instead converted to a "halting problem" class of problem
L1328[17:43:31] <i_develop_things> ex. lua convention is to return `true` on success and `nil, errorMessage` on failure
L1329[17:43:45] <i_develop_things> `true` can also be the result of the function
L1330[17:43:49] <minas_tirith> There are many methods of error management available
L1331[17:44:53] <i_develop_things> https://github.com/ocawesome101/vle is the best editor i've written
L1332[17:45:13] <i_develop_things> very vim-like, supports basic syntax highlighting
L1333[17:46:00] <minas_tirith> I don't know vim
L1334[17:46:11] <i_develop_things> not the most optimized (redraws the entire screen on every keystroke :/) but It Works
L1335[17:46:22] <i_develop_things> https://github.com/ocawesome101/tle is much more optimized and more user-friendly
L1336[17:46:32] <i_develop_things> has somewhat fewer features, though
L1337[17:47:52] <i_develop_things> (TLE only redraws a couple things on every keystroke, most of the time, making it much faster)
L1338[17:48:01] <i_develop_things> they both require a competent VT100 terminal
L1339[17:48:34] <badatvijya> i'm still working on foxfs
L1340[17:48:39] <badatvijya> it's pretty comfy so far
L1341[17:48:54] <minas_tirith> badatvijya, hey
L1342[17:48:59] <minas_tirith> I see you came over to our side too
L1343[17:49:09] <minas_tirith> Was it getting hard to speak from the telephone?
L1344[17:49:38] <badatvijya> what
L1345[17:50:05] <i_develop_things> it's not a telephone, it's a bridge: %corded
L1346[17:50:06] <MichiBot> i_develo​p_things: Cor​ded is a relay between IRC and Discord. The user talking is between the <>
L1347[17:50:15] <badatvijya> anyways
L1348[17:50:17] <badatvijya> i uh
L1349[17:50:19] <i_develop_things> ogod this terminal does not like displaying unicode
L1350[17:50:29] <minas_tirith> i_develop_things, what terminal is it
L1351[17:50:31] <badatvijya> decided to stick 10 exocets on a plane in KSP
L1352[17:50:55] <i_develop_things> minas_tirith: it's the default terminal for Mac OS Snow Leopard
L1353[17:50:56] <i_develop_things> 10.6.3
L1354[17:51:00] <i_develop_things> from about 2010 iirc
L1355[17:51:15] <i_develop_things> runs extremely well even on this Core Duo machine
L1356[17:51:19] <minas_tirith> Yeah encodings and locales are a very subtle and obscure topic
L1357[17:51:43] <minas_tirith> are you running macos on a non-mac machine?
L1358[17:52:04] <minas_tirith> I have seen many programmers prefer macos...why is that so?
L1359[17:52:24] <i_develop_things> no, it's a core duo early 2006 macbook pro
L1360[17:52:28] <i_develop_things> i replaced the keyboard today
L1361[17:52:32] <Ariri> Linux-y windows when it comes to dev stuff
L1362[17:52:47] <i_develop_things> i prefer linux for dev work but macOS is my second choice by a long shot
L1363[17:52:49] <i_develop_things> windows is awful
L1364[17:52:49] <badatvijya> god
L1365[17:52:55] <minas_tirith> Windows is nice
L1366[17:52:57] <Ariri> Non apple dev stuff that is, the libraries changing every year is a PITA for app devs
L1367[17:52:57] <badatvijya> i can't believe it snowed here
L1368[17:53:37] <minas_tirith> Snow is nice
L1369[17:54:08] <i_develop_things> windows is a pile of proprietary crap
L1370[17:54:13] <minas_tirith> So is mac
L1371[17:54:32] <i_develop_things> mac OS is at least unix-like (certified UNIX, at least for a while)
L1372[17:54:52] <minas_tirith> I don't know unix
L1373[17:54:54] <i_develop_things> i can't speak for NT but the user-facing bit of windows is terribly inconsistent and often unstable / slow
L1374[17:55:09] <Ariri> Mac is propiertary, but it's MUCH better than Windows in terms of performance and long-term usability
L1375[17:55:09] <i_develop_things> if you know linux, you know the gist of unix
L1376[17:55:14] <i_develop_things> ^^^^
L1377[17:55:29] <minas_tirith> It is said that trve kvlt unix is quite different from linux
L1378[17:55:35] <i_develop_things> ex. if this laptop had shipped with windows we would've thrown it out ten years ago
L1379[17:55:37] <minas_tirith> The bsd people claim they are closer to pure unix
L1380[17:55:38] <minas_tirith> But idk
L1381[17:55:40] <Ariri> Linux >>> everything though
L1382[17:55:53] <badatvijya> tsuki when
L1383[17:55:55] <Ariri> *pretty much everything common
L1384[17:55:56] <i_develop_things> instead, we still have it 15 years later and it's somehow almost as responsive as my modern i5-equipped linux machine
L1385[17:56:07] <minas_tirith> It appears people go down the path of bsd after being disillusioned with everything else
L1386[17:56:10] <i_develop_things> BSD is a Unix iirc?
L1387[17:56:25] <minas_tirith> They say they are more trve kvlt unix than linux
L1388[17:56:28] <badatvijya> what about opensolaris
L1389[17:57:02] <minas_tirith> The history of unix is very obscure and murky
L1390[17:58:02] <i_develop_things> ken thompson and dennis ritchie, the founders of modern computing, have largely been forgotten by most of the world
L1391[17:58:17] <i_develop_things> yet steve jobs is widely renowned
L1392[17:58:19] <minas_tirith> Ken, Dennis and Doug are quite well known
L1393[17:58:22] <minas_tirith> Not at all forgotten
L1394[17:58:34] <i_develop_things> in the techie community they're fairly well known
L1395[17:58:42] <Ariri> steve jobs was a ceo of a company, so it's a bit different
L1396[17:58:46] <Ariri> like bill gates
L1397[17:58:47] <i_develop_things> in the wider world they are not
L1398[17:58:54] <minas_tirith> Dennis was a brilliant man
L1399[17:59:04] <minas_tirith> is
L1400[17:59:53] <i_develop_things> didn't dennis ritchie and brian kernigan (misspelled his last name) write the original C?
L1401[18:00:11] <i_develop_things> i have their second-gen "The C Programming Language" book
L1402[18:00:46] <minas_tirith> I think dennis and ritchie wrote the language
L1403[18:01:00] <minas_tirith> I think dennis and ken wrote the language
L1404[18:01:08] <i_develop_things> i was gonna say.... :P
L1405[18:01:27] <i_develop_things> i thought unix was mostly ken's idea, where C was dennis's
L1406[18:01:37] <minas_tirith> Its very murky
L1407[18:02:25] <i_develop_things> i saw a video by Computerphile where the host had Brian in for an interview and they were discussing the history of unix
L1408[18:02:30] <CompanionCube> %sip
L1409[18:02:31] <MichiBot> You drink a sweet pink potion (New!). After drinking the potion CompanionCube realizes the bottle has their face on it.
L1410[18:02:36] <i_develop_things> could've just been him, though, not sure
L1411[18:02:50] <i_develop_things> i'd look for it but this laptop really doesn't run youtube very well
L1412[18:03:04] <CompanionCube> badatvijya: it's illumos now, opensolaris was killed by oracle remember?
L1413[18:03:33] <CompanionCube> also boo facebottle
L1414[18:04:09] <badatvijya> oh
L1415[18:04:11] <badatvijya> oof
L1416[18:04:17] <minas_tirith> Hi badatvijya
L1417[18:04:36] <CompanionCube> it's been a decade since that happened lmao
L1418[18:04:58] <i_develop_things> hmmmmm yes youtube is a bloated modern website
L1419[18:05:02] <i_develop_things> who would've thought it?
L1420[18:05:15] <minas_tirith> Yes
L1421[18:05:19] <minas_tirith> the bloat is really a lot
L1422[18:05:26] <minas_tirith> but the videos are decently compressed
L1423[18:05:37] <minas_tirith> Youtube is light as a feather compared to dailymotion
L1424[18:05:45] <i_develop_things> hahahahahahahaha
L1425[18:06:01] <i_develop_things> could've been this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rPPqm44xLs
L1426[18:06:03] <MichiBot> Mainframes and the Unix Revolution - Computerphile | length: 15m 4s | Likes: 8,024 Dislikes: 61 Views: 388,766 | by Computerphile | Published On 19/7/2013
L1427[18:06:20] <minas_tirith> Whats funny
L1428[18:07:07] <minas_tirith> i_develop_things, websites have become heavier than videogames these days
L1429[18:07:18] <i_develop_things> idk, have you tried running minecraft?
L1430[18:07:27] <i_develop_things> * with large amounts of mods
L1431[18:07:30] <minas_tirith> Haven't
L1432[18:07:48] <M​GR> Then why are you here?
L1433[18:08:01] <Ariri> MGR++
L1434[18:08:04] <minas_tirith> But mods means unvetted code written by randoms
L1435[18:08:20] <minas_tirith> Can't expect it to be held to as high standards as core game
L1436[18:08:35] <Ariri> omegalol
L1437[18:08:39] <Michiyo> Minecraft... high standards.
L1438[18:08:40] <i_develop_things> have you ever looked at minecraft's code? lmao
L1439[18:08:41] <Michiyo> lmfao
L1440[18:08:45] <i_develop_things> i hear it's horrible
L1441[18:08:48] <minas_tirith> has its code been released
L1442[18:09:30] <i_develop_things> 1.16.4 + sodium + lithium + phosphor runs anywhere from 10 to 50x faster than base 1.16.4
L1443[18:09:38] <i_develop_things> nah, it's been decompiled though
L1444[18:09:57] <minas_tirith> i thought java had some means to make decomp tougher
L1445[18:10:10] <i_develop_things> mojang has released deobfuscation maps
L1446[18:10:13] <Michiyo> ^
L1447[18:10:50] <CompanionCube> also it's java, obsfuscation doesn't really impede decomp that much to begin with
L1448[18:11:01] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L1449[18:11:03] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forecaster, you were not able to beat SquidDev's record of 3 hours, 58 minutes and 32 seconds this time. 1 hour, 6 minutes and 26 seconds were wasted! Missed by 2 hours, 52 minutes and 6 seconds!
L1450[18:11:10] <Forec​aster> shoot
L1451[18:11:16] <minas_tirith> Hi
L1452[18:11:20] <Ariri> You should see the custom jars and GC flags needed to make *vanilla* minecraft run smoothly in multiplayer
L1453[18:11:30] <M​GR> If you don't use OC or any other mods, why did you join the channel for a Minecraft mod?
L1454[18:11:36] <Va​ur> %sip
L1455[18:11:37] <Vexatos> in terms of code quality, minecraft is most certainly one of the worst minecraft mods
L1456[18:11:38] <MichiBot> You drink a liquid rubium potion (New!). Vaur's bed is suddenly slightly less comfortable for 2 hours.
L1457[18:11:42] <M​GR> You might have missed my earlier question about that
L1458[18:11:45] <minas_tirith> gc flags are interesting...sometimes it seems the jvm does not honor memory limits
L1459[18:11:46] <Ariri> or with more efficiency, to put more accurately
L1460[18:11:47] <SquidDev> I dunno, it's getting better.
L1461[18:11:52] <M​GR> Vexatos, it at least has better crash logs than Stellaris
L1462[18:11:57] <CompanionCube> as to the 'high standard' of vanilla
L1463[18:12:00] <M​GR> You can at least find out what caused the crash
L1464[18:12:04] <SquidDev> Can't think of any mods which use profunctor optics
L1465[18:12:08] <CompanionCube> there is a reason bedrock exists
L1466[18:12:09] <Vexatos> the year is 2021 and the game still contains notchcode
L1467[18:12:59] <minas_tirith> The knowledge required to make a 3d video game run smoothly is dark and obscure, one should not be quick to judge
L1468[18:13:51] <badatvijya> the world gen hurts
L1469[18:13:59] <Ariri> Reminds me of another mystery that is dark and obscure
L1470[18:14:12] <minas_tirith> and if the 3d rendering core is being done in the java itself (as opposed to calling opengl apis and so on) it would certainly add some performance limits
L1471[18:14:13] <Vexatos> minas_tirith, dw we had eleven years to judge
L1472[18:14:29] <Vexatos> ah yes I only do rendering in the java
L1473[18:14:39] <M​GR> minas_tirith, did you see my question?
L1474[18:14:40] <i_develop_things> it uses OpenGL
L1475[18:14:44] <M​GR> I'm genuinely interested in the answer
L1476[18:14:48] <Vexatos> reminder to rend the java
L1477[18:14:48] <SquidDev> The rendering isn't really the worst bit. It's more ... well, everything.
L1478[18:14:54] <badatvijya> ^
L1479[18:15:01] * A_D looks at DFU
L1480[18:15:11] <minas_tirith> i_develop_things, I see
L1481[18:15:13] <CompanionCube> Vexatos: the modern thing is to rendering in the Kotlin.
L1482[18:15:27] <Vexatos> yea for the three people that do that
L1483[18:15:32] <badatvijya> do rendering in JRuby smh
L1484[18:15:40] <Vexatos> do rendering in LuaJ
L1485[18:16:04] <SquidDev> Still better than nashorn!
L1486[18:16:15] <Vexatos> didn't that die a couple of years ago
L1487[18:16:18] <Vexatos> because noone used it
L1488[18:16:20] <minas_tirith> Why is what I said ridiculous? If one can't or does not want to use opengl, one would most probably have to do the rendering with your own software
L1489[18:16:30] <Michiyo> MichiBot uses nashorn! lol
L1490[18:16:36] <Vexatos> minas_tirith, you only have two options and one of them is opengl
L1491[18:16:45] <minas_tirith> don't tell me the other is directx
L1492[18:16:50] <SquidDev> Vulkan?
L1493[18:16:50] <A_D> rolling your own rendering sounds like a fantastic idea that could only be performant
L1494[18:16:53] <A_D> and vulkan
L1495[18:16:55] <A_D> is the other option
L1496[18:16:56] <badatvijya> vulkan
L1497[18:17:02] <Vexatos> opengl and vulkan are the only graphics APIs implemented for all graphics cards and operating systems
L1498[18:17:03] <CompanionCube> the other's clearly Metal \s
L1499[18:17:03] <A_D> and its a FAR better and faster option
L1500[18:17:05] <minas_tirith> Because if worst comes to worst, one can write a software renderer
L1501[18:17:16] <badatvijya> or you know, you could also use [insert proprietary api here]
L1502[18:17:17] <A_D> meh there are metal <-> vulkan translation layers
L1503[18:17:29] <Vexatos> minas_tirith, well something still has to tell the graphics chip what to render
L1504[18:17:32] <Vexatos> and that uses opengl
L1505[18:17:33] <CompanionCube> A_D: and good thing too.
L1506[18:17:34] <Vexatos> so good luck
L1507[18:17:37] <SquidDev> At least MC is using VBOs now.
L1508[18:17:44] <Vexatos> yea at least there's that
L1509[18:17:45] <A_D> CompanionCube: yeah because no one uses metal :D
L1510[18:17:52] <minas_tirith> Vexatos, I mean what do normal softwares like X use to draw graphics?
L1511[18:18:07] <A_D> X as in X11?
L1512[18:18:09] <Vexatos> opengl
L1513[18:18:12] <badatvijya> opengl
L1514[18:18:13] <A_D> its opengl, IIRC
L1515[18:18:13] <minas_tirith> A_D, yes
L1516[18:18:27] <i_develop_things> OpenGL, sometimes hardware has 2D accelerators but that's not terribly common anymore, most things just use OpenGL
L1517[18:18:28] <CompanionCube> not *only* opengl
L1518[18:18:30] <i_develop_things> i think
L1519[18:18:32] <A_D> or writing stuff to the framebuffer, in the more "it needs to be fast" case
L1520[18:18:32] <minas_tirith> that sounds like bs
L1521[18:18:35] <Vexatos> opengl and vulkan are literally the only two options unless you build your own graphics card
L1522[18:18:39] <CompanionCube> fbdev exists still
L1523[18:18:48] <badatvijya> i mean, sure, you can write to the framebuffer
L1524[18:18:53] <badatvijya> but that's usually pretty fuckin slow
L1525[18:18:54] <Vexatos> you can also not do that
L1526[18:18:55] <minas_tirith> You are sayinmg opengl is the lowest level graphics api for modern hardware
L1527[18:19:03] <A_D> Uh, no
L1528[18:19:08] <i_develop_things> iirc vulkan is lower level?
L1529[18:19:09] <A_D> that would be vulkan, as it stands right now
L1530[18:19:11] <Vexatos> vulkan is more low-level than opengl
L1531[18:19:19] <badatvijya> no, no
L1532[18:19:22] <A_D> actual API wise, vulkan is very low, lower than DX
L1533[18:19:30] <badatvijya> you could write your own video BIOS if you knedw how the chip itself worked
L1534[18:19:30] <Vexatos> also makes it more annoying to use but at least it's also newer so it sucks less
L1535[18:19:31] <badatvijya> probably
L1536[18:19:38] <minas_tirith> does anyone even directly write softwares in vulkan
L1537[18:19:42] <i_develop_things> yes
L1538[18:19:43] <Vexatos> of course
L1539[18:19:44] <badatvijya> yes
L1540[18:19:45] <A_D> yeah?
L1541[18:19:50] * A_D looks at Doom Eternal
L1542[18:19:52] <A_D> or even just
L1543[18:19:53] <SquidDev> Let's get Mojang to drop fully drop immediate mode before we even consider vulkan :p.
L1544[18:20:00] <badatvijya> [looks at doom 2016]
L1545[18:20:01] <A_D> the godlike chunk of code that is DXVK
L1546[18:20:06] <Vexatos> immediate is my favourite SquidDev
L1547[18:20:08] <minas_tirith> so
L1548[18:20:10] <A_D> you want some proof that vulkan is way too fast?
L1549[18:20:19] <CompanionCube> you can even write your own SPIR-V shaders!
L1550[18:20:19] <minas_tirith> this vulkan thing is built in to the graphics chips?
L1551[18:20:20] <i_develop_things> let's just have them integerate sodium, lithium, and phosphor :)
L1552[18:20:24] <minas_tirith> also
L1553[18:20:28] <badatvijya> doom 2016 can run on a Q6600 with vulkan
L1554[18:20:30] <minas_tirith> I don't have any graphics card
L1555[18:20:30] <minas_tirith> btw
L1556[18:20:31] <A_D> you can live translate directx calls to vulkan, polyfill what is missing, and its often FASTER than the original DX
L1557[18:20:32] <Vexatos> it's built into the graphics chip firmware
L1558[18:20:36] <Vexatos> and the driver software
L1559[18:20:37] <A_D> minas_tirith: its a spec
L1560[18:20:45] <i_develop_things> no, it's a software abstraction on top of hardware, as are all APIs
L1561[18:20:49] <badatvijya> i mean
L1562[18:20:51] <minas_tirith> A_D, and is its implementation done on chip level or software level
L1563[18:20:53] <badatvijya> you probably have some sort of GPU
L1564[18:20:57] <A_D> minas_tirith: both.
L1565[18:21:02] <Vexatos> something's gonna display those characters you know
L1566[18:21:04] * i_develop_things has little idea what he's talking about and should be mostly ignored when it comes to graphics
L1567[18:21:07] <Vexatos> so there is a graphics chip somewhere
L1568[18:21:08] <badatvijya> it could be a dedicated PCI-e card
L1569[18:21:11] <minas_tirith> A_D, i mean like is the bulk of it in hardware and software is mostly interface
L1570[18:21:12] <minas_tirith> or
L1571[18:21:14] <badatvijya> on-gpu GPU
L1572[18:21:16] <minas_tirith> more equal division between the two
L1573[18:21:24] <M​GR> :facepalm:
L1574[18:21:25] <badatvijya> onboard GPU
L1575[18:21:27] <A_D> minas_tirith: is the bulk of a CPU hardware, microcode, firmware, or software
L1576[18:21:28] <Vexatos> vulkan itself is the software interface for a graphics card...
L1577[18:21:30] <SquidDev> Intel intercalated graphics is the way to go, as it gets me out of debugging shader issues.
L1578[18:21:33] <Vexatos> just like opengl
L1579[18:21:33] <badatvijya> *on cpu
L1580[18:21:34] <A_D> thats basically what you just asked me
L1581[18:21:41] <SquidDev> *intergrated
L1582[18:21:42] <minas_tirith> I am confused
L1583[18:21:44] <A_D> vulkan is an API, a description of expected behaviour
L1584[18:21:47] <minas_tirith> I never heard of vulkan before
L1585[18:21:52] <A_D> its like opengl
L1586[18:21:54] <Vexatos> executing code directly on the GPU is done with other APIs like OpenCL and CUDA
L1587[18:21:59] <M​GR> The GPU supports the micro-ops that perform graphics operations. Vulkan gets translated by the GPU drive into instructions the GPU schedulers and decoders can understand
L1588[18:21:59] <minas_tirith> Yeah its an api and someone has to make an implementation of the api
L1589[18:22:15] <Vexatos> vulkan serves literally the same purpose as opengl
L1590[18:22:23] <Vexatos> so just think of it as opengl but newer
L1591[18:22:24] <A_D> been around since 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)
L1592[18:22:29] <M​GR> It's like many other programming languages mostly
L1593[18:22:35] <A_D> opengl but newer, faster, and better in every way
L1594[18:22:38] <M​GR> I recommend doing research
L1595[18:22:49] <Vexatos> A_D, raw access is more painful
L1596[18:22:56] <Vexatos> much more boilerplate
L1597[18:23:00] <M​GR> Vexatos is correct
L1598[18:23:06] <i_develop_things> doing actual research is usually a good idea
L1599[18:23:09] <A_D> Vexatos: true, but its still an API, and that boilerplate is reusable, at least
L1600[18:23:12] <i_develop_things> gonna go now, bye
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L1602[18:23:26] <SquidDev> TBH, modern opengl has a lot of boilerplate too. Creating shaders, vbos, etc...
L1603[18:23:28] <A_D> the plans for vulkan may or may not influence the GPU microcode development etc, would depend on manufacturer etc
L1604[18:23:37] <minas_tirith> so if vulkan is fashionable now are the chip makers designing their stuff in a manner that making a vulkan api is as natural as possible? Just like say there might be a similar relation between x64 designers and C compilers.
L1605[18:23:54] <A_D> vulkan is one of many APIs
L1606[18:24:13] <A_D> GPUs need to support whatever the creators want, which means compromises at the hardware level if needed
L1607[18:24:23] <A_D> but going this deep is a great way to make your brain explode
L1608[18:24:28] <A_D> so picture it as a black box
L1609[18:24:34] <A_D> code goes in, dead demons come out
L1610[18:24:34] <minas_tirith> yeah I am very computer-dumb
L1611[18:24:48] <M​GR> I recommend doing research
L1612[18:24:48] <minas_tirith> I have heard very dark things about opengl too
L1613[18:24:53] <M​GR> You need to do that
L1614[18:24:55] <minas_tirith> such as there being a high level language called glsl
L1615[18:25:04] <minas_tirith> that is translated directly by the chip itself
L1616[18:25:08] <M​GR> You also need to explain why you're in a Minecraft modding channel if you don't use mods
L1617[18:25:19] <A_D> glsl is the opengl shader lang, IIRC
L1618[18:25:29] <A_D> I don't do much GPU so this is way out of my depth
L1619[18:25:29] <minas_tirith> mgr I came here from looking at someone
L1620[18:25:41] <A_D> and, dinner time for me
L1621[18:25:44] <A_D> good luck MGR
L1622[18:25:57] <M​GR> Thank you A_D
L1623[18:26:03] <M​GR> minas, I have no idea what that means
L1624[18:26:11] <minas_tirith> I looked inside a user
L1625[18:26:23] <M​GR> minas, I have no idea what that means
L1626[18:26:28] <minas_tirith> whois
L1627[18:26:33] <M​GR> There we go
L1628[18:26:43] <M​GR> Ok, fair enough
L1629[18:27:33] <CompanionCube> the vulkan glsl would be SPIR-V maybe?
L1630[18:27:53] <minas_tirith> And I am sorry if I sound stupid, I am very computer dumb
L1631[18:28:13] <M​GR> Good thing you can do research
L1632[18:30:15] <bad at​ vijya> lmao
L1633[18:30:20] <bad at​ vijya> i need to make mkfs.foxfs too
L1634[19:10:22] <Ariri> E:D Community Stream with the Elite Racers using SRVs if anyone is interested:
L1635[19:10:46] <Ar​iri> https://youtu.be/GESHsAvlGNg
L1636[19:10:46] <MichiBot> September Update - Content Reveal | length: 0 milliseconds | Likes: 306 Dislikes: 0 Views: 0 | by Elite Dangerous | Published On 10/9/2019
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L1639[19:32:21] <badatvijya> today in trying to play vijya
L1640[19:32:27] <badatvijya> the entire soviet union is trying to kill me
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L1643[19:36:40] <CompanionCube> oh?
L1644[19:36:57] <badatvijya> yeah
L1645[19:37:37] <badatvijya> buncha russians screeching at me in the pew pew games
L1646[19:42:49] <minas_tirith> badatvijya, how do you avoid getting bored in video games
L1647[19:50:25] <badatvijya> play multiple different games?
L1648[19:50:30] <badatvijya> of multiple different genres?
L1649[19:51:23] <superminor2> Michiyo: of course my update script still exists
L1650[19:51:33] <superminor2> It still sucks too!
L1651[20:01:13] <Michiyo> lol. Well I'm not using solder currently
L1652[20:02:41] <Va​ur> %sip
L1653[20:02:41] <MichiBot> You drink a light dirt potion (New!). Vaur feels a sudden surge of static electricity.
L1654[20:06:52] <superminor2> Well if for some reason you do want it it's on my github called ss-deploy
L1655[20:07:08] <superminor2> I don't think I saved the "ghast noise" script though, sorry
L1656[20:07:25] <Michiyo> Damn!
L1657[20:07:30] <Michiyo> That was the one I was hoping for..
L1658[20:07:31] <Michiyo> :P
L1659[20:09:04] <superminor2> Are you starting a server again or something?
L1660[20:11:42] <Michiyo> Yeah, I've got a server up
L1661[20:34:01] <Michiyo> superminor2, #pcl-minecraft if you're interested
L1662[20:34:47] <Ar​iri> Izaya: https://youtu.be/rSvBFm_MuXw
L1663[20:34:47] <MichiBot> How to Protect Your Computer from Getting Shot by an MBT | length: 2m 11s | Likes: 228,735 Dislikes: 2,025 Views: 2,606,527 | by Bosnian Ape Society | Published On 1/10/2020
L1664[20:36:18] <Izaya> > In fact, there may be a main battle tank outside your window right now, watching your every move, waiting for you to make a mistake.
L1665[20:37:54] <Izaya> Well then.
L1666[20:38:16] <i develo​p things> lmao
L1667[20:38:30] <Ar​iri> You never know
L1668[20:42:26] <CompanionCube> there's probably a joke here about hungary in 1956 but i can't come up with it
L1669[20:44:03] <Izaya> Ariri, dequbed, Amanda: 1.11.1 is out and flags no longer fall over
L1670[20:44:21] <Ariri> [celebratory noises]
L1671[20:46:49] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: so bought an M1A2
L1672[20:47:02] <Izaya> oh, so you're my threat model
L1673[20:47:14] <bad at​ vijya> 👀
L1674[20:47:33] <Ariri> don't trust bad at vijya if they offer you cake
L1675[20:47:41] <bad at​ vijya> anyways, i need to make the mkfs.foxfs util
L1676[20:47:43] <Ariri> report them to the police immediately
L1677[20:47:48] <i develo​p things> the cake is alie
L1678[20:47:50] <i develo​p things> the cake is a lie [Edited]
L1679[20:48:57] <Ariri> Izaya, is there a way to use Astrogator to plot a Duna intercept asap instead of optimal transfer window?
L1680[20:49:09] <Izaya> don't think so
L1681[20:49:18] <Izaya> best bet is probably brute force if you want it now
L1682[20:49:32] <Ariri> I tried making my own mnv but came up short
L1683[20:49:42] <Ariri> Might try and do some maths to figure it out proper
L1684[21:06:50] <Izaya> fuckin
L1685[21:06:55] <Izaya> SpaceX launch today
L1686[21:07:12] <Izaya> delayed (maybe cancelled?) because FAA paperwork wasn't properly filled out
L1687[21:07:19] <i develo​p things> wow
L1688[21:07:35] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/sci/1611848552770.jpg
L1689[21:10:36] <Ariri> Oof
L1690[21:11:50] <Ariri> %choose get colony set up first with minimum crew and send manned lander + rover to Duna or unmanned lander/sat + rover to Duna followed by colony starter
L1691[21:11:50] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: Why not both? Okay fine. "unmanned lander/sat + rover to Duna followed by colony starter".
L1692[21:27:22] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L1693[21:27:22] <MichiBot> I'm sorry CompanionCube, you were not able to beat SquidDev's record of 3 hours, 58 minutes and 32 seconds this time. 3 hours, 16 minutes and 19 seconds were wasted! Missed by 42 minutes and 13 seconds!
L1694[21:27:26] <CompanionCube> rip
L1695[21:27:38] <CompanionCube> %tonkattempts
L1696[21:27:38] <MichiBot> You have 1 attempt left.
L1697[21:27:38] <SquidDev> >_>
L1698[21:27:44] <SquidDev> That's twice now.
L1699[21:42:56] <dequbed> %greenshell SquidDev
L1700[21:42:56] <MichiBot> deq​ubed: Unfortunately you missed with a 4 vs 10.
L1701[21:43:00] <dequbed> dammit
L1702[21:47:15] <dequbed> SquidDev: Also MC using fancy functional constructs does not constitude good code, by a long shot.
L1703[21:49:44] <Izaya> relevant?: https://letsalllovela.in/objects/9955457f-de9b-4791-96db-4662b6012300
L1704[21:50:07] <dequbed> Izaya: Wait so I actually have to play catch up now <.<
L1705[21:50:29] <Izaya> huh?
L1706[21:51:14] <dequbed> haven't booted up KSP in a week or so
L1707[21:56:18] <Izaya> I mean, I haven't been playing a huge amount
L1708[21:56:27] <Izaya> I have been making good use of my time though B)
L1709[21:58:18] <Ar​iri> i thought dequbed was so far ahead they didn’t have time to announce lol
L1710[21:58:25] <Izaya> same tbh
L1711[21:59:04] <Izaya> Gonna have to cancel my first attempt at moon landing, not enough dV to land and come back I don't think
L1712[21:59:12] <Izaya> ... or I could quicksave and try it
L1713[21:59:16] <dequbed> Ah no I spend my week on university stuff, freaking out about the fact that a project I worked on will get featured in Make and uh procrastinating on Tinder and OkCupid <.<
L1714[22:00:24] <Izaya> why is it friday already
L1715[22:01:05] <Ar​iri> despair
L1716[22:02:39] <i develo​p things> hello, bad ideas!
L1717[22:02:48] <i develo​p things> discord on this laptop runs decidedly poorly
L1718[22:02:52] <i develo​p things> and makes the fans spin
L1719[22:03:16] <i develo​p things> (core duo, 2GB memory, firefox, ubuntu 16.04)
L1720[22:03:37] <Izaya> yeah nah that's not even enough memory
L1721[22:03:40] <Izaya> weak CPU and GPU aside
L1722[22:04:22] <i develo​p things> it has a dedicated ATI Mobility X1600 with 128MB of vram
L1723[22:04:31] <i develo​p things> which i think Ubuntu is usin
L1724[22:04:32] <i develo​p things> using
L1725[22:04:40] <i develo​p things> once i'm actually in a channel it isn't that bad
L1726[22:04:47] <i develo​p things> switching channels is extreme pain though
L1727[22:05:36] <i develo​p things> also, ubuntu detects the battery as being fully charged at 7%.... this gives me great amusement
L1728[22:06:13] <i develo​p things> had to boot in legacy mode to get around idiotic graphics driver issues... works pretty well, probably because the hardware is 15 years old
L1729[22:06:35] <Izaya> 15 years is old enough to reverse engineer apple's bullshit
L1730[22:06:44] <Izaya> that's the first gen after they switched from PPC, right?
L1731[22:06:49] <i develo​p things> yep!
L1732[22:06:57] <i develo​p things> still reasonably usable, which is surprising
L1733[22:07:02] <i develo​p things> but pleasant
L1734[22:07:05] <Izaya> cursed for many reasons
L1735[22:08:00] <i develo​p things> 32-bit, can't boot from USB without third-party bootloaders (rEFInd is pretty nice, fortunately), and limited to 3GB of memory as i remember it
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L1738[22:09:04] <i_develop_things> time to ditch discord
L1739[22:09:04] <bad at​ vijya> @i develop things discord runs poorly on most things from before core 2
L1740[22:09:19] <i develo​p things> discord runs poorly even on some modern hardware
L1741[22:09:27] <bad at​ vijya> yep
L1742[22:09:40] <i develo​p things> *most
L1743[22:09:43] <Izaya> you want true pain?
L1744[22:09:49] <i_develop_things> n-no
L1745[22:09:53] <Izaya> open it on something like an eeePC
L1746[22:09:59] <i_develop_things> oh god no
L1747[22:10:08] <Izaya> half the performance of a pentium 3
L1748[22:10:14] <Izaya> 0.5-2GB of RAM
L1749[22:10:16] <Ar​iri> Use Ripcord
L1750[22:10:18] <bad at​ vijya> i have a funny meme
L1751[22:10:23] <i_develop_things> ohhhhh god nooooo
L1752[22:10:24] <Ar​iri> screw electron
L1753[22:10:25] <Izaya> a graphics card only mildly better than a framebuffer
L1754[22:10:31] <Izaya> Ariri: banned
L1755[22:10:31] <bad at​ vijya> discord on linux performs poorly on even my R9 and GTX 1060
L1756[22:10:42] <Ar​iri> kiss my 50mb of ram
L1757[22:11:02] <i_develop_things> discord on linux performs reasonably on my i5-8400 desktop with 32GB of memory lmao
L1758[22:11:32] <Izaya> seeing it shit the bed on an IdeaPad S10e was all I needed to see
L1759[22:11:33] <Ar​iri> Lowkey surprised Discord even supports Linux
L1760[22:11:33] <Izaya> keep it the fuck away from me
L1761[22:11:41] <Izaya> kinda wish it didn't
L1762[22:11:47] <i_develop_things> it's just an electron app
L1763[22:11:49] <bad at​ vijya> streaming breaks discord on linux :^)
L1764[22:11:54] <i_develop_things> probably simple to package
L1765[22:12:08] <Izaya> it's just a webpage how hard can it be :^)
L1766[22:12:09] <i_develop_things> also i've had no issues with streaming, except sometimes audio
L1767[22:12:20] <Ar​iri> Discord might not even still allow custom installation path, so you know
L1768[22:12:21] <Izaya> it's just a webpage, how heavy can it be?
L1769[22:12:35] <Ar​iri> [internal screaming]
L1770[22:12:38] <i_develop_things> discord on anything except ubuntu gives you a .tar.gz
L1771[22:12:56] <Ar​iri> >14% cpu, 400mb ram, 3mb/disk io
L1772[22:13:21] <Izaya> it's going easy on the RAM then
L1773[22:13:23] <i_develop_things> * any linux except ubuntu
L1774[22:13:25] <Ar​iri> I meant for Windows, because the installer used to suck for a very long time, and probably still does
L1775[22:13:29] <i_develop_things> ahhh
L1776[22:13:30] <Izaya> question
L1777[22:13:35] <i_develop_things> answer
L1778[22:13:36] <Izaya> how much memory is freed if you close it?
L1779[22:13:52] <Ar​iri> The UI? A wee bit
L1780[22:14:11] <i_develop_things> anecdotally i've seen discord use 2GB of memory.... it also starts stuttering horribly at that point
L1781[22:14:13] <Izaya> no I mean
L1782[22:14:15] <Izaya> exit the program entirely
L1783[22:14:34] <Izaya> because the one time I used it it used literally all the memory on a 2GB machine
L1784[22:14:40] <Izaya> and browsers tend to mis-report memory usage
L1785[22:14:55] <Ar​iri> For me it all gets in allocated
L1786[22:14:56] <i_develop_things> have to leave it open for a very long time for it to do that though
L1787[22:14:58] <Izaya> when I close my browser a lot more memory is freed than the process is ostensibly using
L1788[22:14:59] <Ar​iri> unallocated*
L1789[22:15:27] <Ar​iri> But in browser or with the app, it uses so many resources without being in vc or streaming and still stutters and remains sluggish
L1790[22:15:36] <Ar​iri> I’ve not got that bad a computer so like ???
L1791[22:15:52] <i_develop_things> specs?
L1792[22:16:11] <Izaya> but
L1793[22:16:14] <Ar​iri> R52400G, 16GB RAM - 3200MHz
L1794[22:16:21] <i_develop_things> oh yeah that should be fine
L1795[22:16:23] <Izaya> what is the difference in system memory usage between having it open and exiting it
L1796[22:16:27] <ThePi​Guy24> real chads just use the discord api directly without a client
L1797[22:16:30] <i_develop_things> blame bloated discord
L1798[22:16:30] <Ar​iri> but it’s not :/
L1799[22:16:40] <bad at​ vijya> streaming is totally broken on linux for no good reason :^)
L1800[22:16:43] <i_develop_things> nah, *real* chads use IRC
L1801[22:16:45] <Ar​iri> it just got worse as they added more features
L1802[22:16:45] <Izaya> ThePiGuy24: the "telnet to IRC approach"
L1803[22:16:48] <i_develop_things> ....streaming works fine?
L1804[22:16:58] <Ar​iri> I was honestly debating making my own client
L1805[22:17:05] <Izaya> [banned]
L1806[22:17:07] <Ar​iri> similar to IRCs structure
L1807[22:17:10] <bad at​ vijya> - audio doesn't work
L1808[22:17:19] <i_develop_things> iirc i had audio work once
L1809[22:17:20] <Ar​iri> I’ve got my data package downloaded so w/s
L1810[22:17:21] <i_develop_things> at least once
L1811[22:17:22] <bad at​ vijya> - it slows my client down to a crawl after extended streaming
L1812[22:17:32] <bad at​ vijya> - or watching streams, for that matter
L1813[22:18:02] <Ar​iri> imagine gaming on a rig that costs less than 750usd while using a gaming communication platform
L1814[22:18:02] <bad at​ vijya> like
L1815[22:18:04] <Ar​iri> couldn’t be me
L1816[22:18:07] <i_develop_things> but i'm not sure if i can trust the person who i was streaming to to accurately report whether audio was working so idk
L1817[22:18:25] <i_develop_things> mine was about 700USD, though i only paid most of that because generous relatives
L1818[22:18:25] <bad at​ vijya> i've been streaming something i was working on in a guild
L1819[22:18:29] <bad at​ vijya> and oh, discorc crashed
L1820[22:18:33] <bad at​ vijya> discord, even
L1821[22:18:39] <i_develop_things> > discorc
L1822[22:18:43] <i_develop_things> > dis cork
L1823[22:18:55] <i_develop_things> *dis cork*
L1824[22:19:04] <Ar​iri> It also took way too long for phone 2fa to be optional once totp was added
L1825[22:19:16] <Ar​iri> but hey more nitro features
L1826[22:19:24] <Ar​iri> thank you discord v cool
L1827[22:19:53] <Izaya> well, at least more paid walled garden bullshit means you have a little longer till they start selling literally all your mouse movements and keypresses to the highest bidder
L1828[22:20:19] <i_develop_things> ....i just realized that "Ubuntu Web Browser" is now Ubuntu Touch's Morph
L1829[22:20:20] <Ar​iri> I know
L1830[22:20:20] <Ar​iri> Nitro is kind of stupid
L1831[22:20:30] <i_develop_things> neat to see
L1832[22:20:37] <bad at​ vijya> *to the ccp
L1833[22:20:37] <Ar​iri> Get this: One of the first features was animated avatars, yeah?
L1834[22:20:50] <Ar​iri> You don’t see them move until you click/hover on someone’s image
L1835[22:21:05] <Ar​iri> I had to get a plug-in to show gifs move
L1836[22:21:15] <Izaya> inb4 didn't support apng
L1837[22:21:16] <bad at​ vijya> probably because GIFs can crash the mobile client
L1838[22:21:21] <bad at​ vijya> it does not
L1839[22:21:26] <Ar​iri> I’m talking about desktop
L1840[22:21:26] <Izaya> wow, it's garbage!
L1841[22:21:44] <bad at​ vijya> and there's GIFs that can crash desktop
L1842[22:21:49] <CompanionCube> what
L1843[22:21:49] <CompanionCube> how
L1844[22:21:59] <bad at​ vijya> malformed GIFs
L1845[22:22:13] <bad at​ vijya> or was it mp4s
L1846[22:22:24] <CompanionCube> wouldn't those also crash chrome
L1847[22:22:25] <Ar​iri> I get not showing gifs move when posted in chat, but the little 256x256 profile avatars? Come on
L1848[22:22:42] <Ar​iri> Long urls also used to crash it
L1849[22:22:52] <bad at​ vijya> probably
L1850[22:23:41] <i_develop_things> classic discord
L1851[22:23:50] <Izaya> quality engineering
L1852[22:23:59] <bad at​ vijya> classic chrome
L1853[22:24:15] <Ar​iri> stability? QoL? Sensible marketing? we don’t do that here
L1854[22:24:20] <Izaya> almost as if implementing all your software with what is effectively macros in microsoft word is less than ideal
L1855[22:24:45] <bad at​ vijya> don't say that
L1856[22:24:49] <bad at​ vijya> they might actually do it
L1857[22:24:57] <Izaya> they already do
L1858[22:24:58] <i_develop_things> discWord when
L1859[22:25:04] <Izaya> not word, but y'know
L1860[22:25:08] <i_develop_things> discord but made in MS Word
L1861[22:25:13] <bad at​ vijya> yeah excel
L1862[22:25:23] <Ar​iri> also worth mentioning you did have to toggle off data sharing on every client, and doing so reduced data package size by like 90%
L1863[22:25:36] <Ar​iri> Might still have to
L1864[22:25:51] <Izaya> discord but written in brainfuck and running in a brainfuck interpreter implemented as an excel spreadsheet
L1865[22:26:06] <Izaya> still smaller than their node_modules folder
L1866[22:26:18] <Ar​iri> have mercy
L1867[22:26:22] <i_develop_things> might still be faster than their current client :P
L1868[22:26:55] <i_develop_things> > `[STDERR]: [LWJGL] Failed to load a library.` HOW ABOUT YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT LIBRARY IS??
L1869[22:27:25] <i_develop_things> ...might be something with GLFW, interesting
L1870[22:28:01] <i_develop_things> if i can run minecraft 1.16.5 on 32-bit i will be intrigued
L1871[22:28:44] <i_develop_things> ~~ERROR~~ NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class org.lwjgl.glfw.GLFW
L1872[22:29:04] <i_develop_things> :rage:
L1873[22:30:06] <Izaya> https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FEs2f0ziVcAAZ6-o.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig
L1874[22:40:58] <Va​ur> %sip
L1875[22:40:58] <MichiBot> You drink a concentrated aegisalt potion (New!). Vaur falls into a shaft and drop 4 floors!
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L1877[22:50:32] <Izaya> 72k per launch of this MunFlea
L1878[22:50:51] <Izaya> 30k without launch vehicle
L1879[22:50:56] <Izaya> and that's almost entirely recoverable
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L1881[22:58:15] <ThePiGuy24> Vampyre: hows progress on the VGA thing :p
L1882[22:58:46] <Izaya> 3876m/s of dV once in LKO
L1883[22:58:48] <Izaya> B)
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L1886[22:59:40] <ThePiGuy24> wow 7 seconds :p
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L1888[23:01:46] <Ar​iri> Izaya: is that the new Saud Kruger ship coming in Odyssey
L1889[23:02:07] <Izaya> yes
L1890[23:02:10] <Izaya> B)
L1891[23:02:36] <Ar​iri> large hard point is the nose
L1892[23:02:54] <Izaya> XL
L1893[23:02:54] <Ar​iri> best convergence yet
L1894[23:03:28] <Ar​iri> Class 4 hardpoints look so nice
L1895[23:03:39] <Ar​iri> Need to get the city’s
L1896[23:03:41] <Ar​iri> cutter*
L1897[23:03:48] <Izaya> tfw you restrict the throttle to 25% so you can do the node execution more accurately by hand
L1898[23:04:27] <Izaya> behold, the MunFlea MkIIIF, in orbit, with 3.85km/s of dV to play with https://social.shadowkat.net/media/8dd9e62420af3bd59f378466f0f3e974f6b70a1d891fbb686357d05aa8648571.jpg
L1899[23:04:32] <Ar​iri> That sounds like something I do anyways
L1900[23:05:13] <Ar​iri> All biomes science scan + full recovery?
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L1902[23:05:32] <Izaya> Landing and recovery, at least.
L1903[23:05:36] <Izaya> I'm pretty bad at landing tbh
L1904[23:05:56] <Izaya> and the fact that you can't land with the engine firing is somewhat of a problem
L1905[23:06:10] <Ar​iri> There’s a kOS script for it, but I landing is generally easy for me
L1906[23:06:31] <Ar​iri> I make my lander stages sort of... with less dV to put a certain way
L1907[23:09:30] <Ar​iri> inb4 Izaya hover slam with SAS and RCS to keep upright long enough to plant a flag and board
L1908[23:11:56] <Izaya> so much science from orbiting and taking observations
L1909[23:11:58] <Izaya> goddamn
L1910[23:12:13] <Izaya> 514m/s is like
L1911[23:12:16] <Izaya> JUST enough to land, right?
L1912[23:13:21] <Ariri> You mean dV? Sure, if you come in at the right angle
L1913[23:13:35] <Ariri> Rather, if you have the right descent
L1914[23:13:52] <Izaya> how about 450m/s?
L1915[23:14:20] <Ariri> It depends on your insertion I think
L1916[23:14:30] <Ariri> If you had like too much orbital speed
L1917[23:15:02] <Ariri> Actually, put simpler. You need whatever you current velocity is, plus some depending on altitude
L1918[23:15:34] <Ariri> To be most efficient with dV, suicide burn
L1919[23:16:01] <Izaya> hmmmmmmm
L1920[23:16:10] <Izaya> how do I check my RCS dV?
L1921[23:16:27] <Ariri> The engineer thing, if you stuck it on, has an RCS button
L1922[23:16:32] <Ariri> Else in the VAB, its there too
L1923[23:16:51] <Izaya> 0. Because I have no RCS thrusters.
L1924[23:16:54] <Izaya> Fuck.
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L1926[23:17:19] <Ariri> With that craft, I would personally limit to 50 or less, and suicide burn with 5 seconds + burn time before impact
L1927[23:17:54] <Izaya> This is using my MkI MunFlea
L1928[23:17:55] <Ariri> need a bit of room to cancel your inertia, and angle straight down after switching off from retrograde hold
L1929[23:17:57] <Izaya> It's significantly worse.
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L1931[23:18:45] <Ariri> If that stage has a TWR greater than like 3 on the moon, thrust limit to avoid wasting fuel by overcompensating
L1932[23:18:55] <Ariri> And transfer all fuel down if possible
L1933[23:20:01] <Ariri> If you can spare dV, I'm also partial to the 'kill all horizontal velocity and plummet down to suicide burn' approach rather than keep pointing retrograde, though both will work depending on your impact tolerance and mass distrib
L1934[23:20:44] <Izaya> switch to srf, burn retro until 0m/s horizontal, then run your suicide burn?
L1935[23:21:50] <Ariri> Memory tells me I haven't needed to switch to surface velocity manually, because once you're on impact course both indicators should work fine
L1936[23:21:55] <Ariri> tl;dr quicksave and yes
L1937[23:22:50] <Ariri> You can also burn directly horizontal above your retro (like the horizon), should be same effect pretty much, and saves you a tiny bit more dV because you're not wasting it on vertical
L1938[23:23:25] <Ariri> Since you're going to accelerate down anyways, but Mun is forgiving so you don't *need* to
L1939[23:25:01] <dequbed> Izaya: don't forget mmap(2)'d files are considered kernel heap memory and modern browsers use *a lot* of db's with mmap underneath. Debatable if that really counts as "memory usage underreporting"
L1940[23:27:47] <Izaya> the science I got just from being in low orbit of the mun
L1941[23:27:47] <Amanda> Just a constant spray of blue pixels from Aludra II. :D https://nc.ddna.co/s/kH9J3TDGoXtL3oS
L1942[23:27:49] <Izaya> 500 or so
L1943[23:27:52] <Izaya> nice
L1944[23:29:03] <Amanda> I have four arrays of 4 EM cannons launching sails from four eqidistant locations on the planet. Shipping in the sails from my spawn world for now, butI want to move the manufacturing of the sails to Aludra II
L1945[23:29:09] <Ariri> I got like 2300 science from the Mun, because I landed in between midlands, crater, and lowlands
L1946[23:29:17] <Ariri> was v convientnt
L1947[23:29:23] <Ariri> convenient*
L1948[23:29:28] <Izaya> maybe now I should get nuclear engines
L1949[23:29:31] <Izaya> B)
L1950[23:29:52] <Ariri> Amanda, EM cannons? What do
L1951[23:30:24] <Izaya> alternatively
L1952[23:30:27] <Izaya> grid fins
L1953[23:30:28] <Ariri> Izaya, isp of nuclear engines makes me happy, and will probably for you as well
L1954[23:30:40] <Amanda> Ariri: Launch Solar Sails into a dyson swarm, redirecting the sun's rays to power stuff
L1955[23:30:53] <Ariri> Ooh
L1956[23:30:54] <Amanda> ( This isn't KSP )
L1957[23:31:09] <Ariri> Yis, DSP
L1958[23:31:33] <dequbed> Amanda: Are you trying to say KSP can't have a dyson swarm?! I take that challenge personnally!
L1959[23:31:45] <Ariri> Izaya, if you want to make high CofM landers, I'd recommend landing legs to some degree
L1960[23:31:51] <Amanda> dequbed: dew it
L1961[23:31:51] <Ariri> because ground tether is stronk
L1962[23:32:10] <Izaya> CofM?
L1963[23:32:12] <Amanda> I'm currently generating 70MW with my dyson swarm
L1964[23:32:15] <Ariri> center of mass
L1965[23:32:24] <Izaya> ah
L1966[23:32:34] <Ariri> dequbed, station around the Sun?
L1967[23:32:39] <Izaya> the MunFlea MkII+ use the Falcon landing legs
L1968[23:33:02] <Ariri> Oh, I mistook those for airbrakes
L1969[23:33:16] <Izaya> nah it has parachutes for return to Kerbin
L1970[23:33:29] <Izaya> or permanent landing on Lathe I suppose
L1971[23:34:05] <Izaya> high ISP cryo engine
L1972[23:34:06] <Ariri> Debating between going to Eve or Duna first, because I don't want to wait for a Duna transfer window when the obj is to get shortest game time
L1973[23:34:18] <Ariri> between accomplishments that is
L1974[23:34:41] <Ariri> I like the tiny cryo engine for my landers
L1975[23:35:01] <Ariri> Usually put multiple for convience, and thrust limit as desired
L1976[23:35:37] <Ariri> the Nerv is nice, but too tall for me to want to use for landing vertically
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L1978[23:37:50] <Izaya> I have the 1.25m retracting cryo engine on it
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L1980[23:38:10] <Ariri> Retracting?
L1981[23:38:16] <Ariri> Which one does that
L1982[23:38:16] <Izaya> because when stowed it's short enough that there's lots of wiggle room
L1983[23:38:21] <Izaya> the second tier ones
L1984[23:38:29] <Izaya> the ones that really suck in atmosphere
L1985[23:38:32] <Izaya> uh
L1986[23:38:52] <Izaya> CE-18 Pavonis and CE-12 Hecate
L1987[23:39:03] <Ariri> Oh yeah
L1988[23:39:10] <Ariri> Might see what I can do with those
L1989[23:39:15] <Izaya> I have them bound to toggle with the landing gear
L1990[23:39:35] <Izaya> so the idea's going to be to kill horizontal and vertical velocity close to the ground, then toggle the landing gear and drop like a rock
L1991[23:40:40] <Ariri> That's basically what I do, yeah. Usually within 5seconds of impact, depending on burn time
L1992[23:46:25] <Izaya> the eagle has landed :D
L1993[23:47:59] <Izaya> solidly out of fuel and the landing was a tad harder than intended
L1994[23:48:01] <Izaya> but it's there
L1995[23:49:40] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@port-92-192-16-33.dynamic.as20676.net) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L1996[23:50:05] <Ariri> Nice
L1997[23:50:58] <Amanda> Fun thing in DSP: it's easier and more fuel efficient to now slow down when traveling between planets. Just do a litheobrake
L1998[23:51:06] <Amanda> To not*
L1999[23:51:09] <Izaya> design turned out perfect
L2000[23:51:12] <Izaya> I can jump up to the ladder
L2001[23:56:53] <Ariri> My hdd is making brrrt sound
L2002[23:56:55] <Ariri> [concern]
L2003[23:57:05] <dequbed> spinning rust go brrr
L2004[23:59:29] <Ariri> >no backups
L2005[23:59:33] <Ariri> please be gentle
L2006[23:59:59] <Izaya> eeeh
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