L1[00:49:52] <Amanda> %choose halucinate and
cubes or just halucinate
L2[00:49:52] <MichiBot> Amanda: "just
halucinate" is for cool kids!
L3[00:50:02] <Amanda> %8ball goat
kitten?
L4[00:50:02] <MichiBot> Amanda: [ The
Bowling ball doesn't answer ]
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L8[01:19:08] <Izaya> I need faster memory so
memtest86 takes less time
L9[01:32:47] 
<bad at
vijya> time to finally order my pinephone
<bad at
vijya> time to finally order my pinephoneL10[01:32:49] <bad at
vijya> :)
<bad at
vijya> :)L11[01:34:54] <bad at
vijya> anyways, once i get it, i plan on doing some
fuckery
<bad at
vijya> anyways, once i get it, i plan on doing some
fuckeryL12[01:35:34] <Izaya> Oh wow, memory tuning
makes a lot of difference
L13[01:35:59] <bad at
vijya> oh
<bad at
vijya> ohL14[01:36:01] <bad at
vijya> damnit
<bad at
vijya> damnitL15[01:36:04] <bad at
vijya> gonna have to wait a while
<bad at
vijya> gonna have to wait a whileL16[01:36:15] <Izaya> I can't take my cheap
sticks below 10-11-10 but that's a 500MB/s improvement over stock
timings at 1800Mhz
L17[01:36:28] <bad at
vijya> just a bit shy of the $200, oh well
<bad at
vijya> just a bit shy of the $200, oh wellL18[01:36:31] <bad at
vijya> i'll get it soon™️
<bad at
vijya> i'll get it soon™️L19[01:37:04] <bad at
vijya> at that point, i can also get stuff like a plain rear
cover and whatnot
<bad at
vijya> at that point, i can also get stuff like a plain rear
cover and whatnotL20[01:37:14] <bad at
vijya> i also gotta get the serial cable because of what i plan
to be doing B)
<bad at
vijya> i also gotta get the serial cable because of what i plan
to be doing B)L21[01:38:47] <Izaya> tfw no clear case
pinephone
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L23[01:43:57] <bad at
vijya> so
<bad at
vijya> soL24[01:44:45] <bad at
vijya> i added a new blocking rule to ublock for when i have the
misfortune of browsing fandom.com so those godawful featured videos
will go away
<bad at
vijya> i added a new blocking rule to ublock for when i have the
misfortune of browsing fandom.com so those godawful featured videos
will go awayL25[01:45:25] <bad at
vijya> i'm so tired of seeing "+2301402315245231343%"
flashing in the bottom corner of my screen when all i want to do is
get more info on something from ace combat or look up a pixy quote
for shitposting purposes
<bad at
vijya> i'm so tired of seeing "+2301402315245231343%"
flashing in the bottom corner of my screen when all i want to do is
get more info on something from ace combat or look up a pixy quote
for shitposting purposesL26[01:46:07] <Michiyo> Fuck fandom.
L27[01:46:36] <Michiyo> I made my own wiki
for a game, because I couldn't fucking stand Fandom.
L28[01:47:15] <bad at
vijya> yeah
<bad at
vijya> yeahL29[01:47:25] <bad at
vijya> so fucking annoying
<bad at
vijya> so fucking annoyingL30[01:49:26] ⇨
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sites tbh
L32[01:50:48] <Izaya> Works well
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L34[02:10:41] <MisterRogers> Question,
robot.swing() is suppose to break the block in front of it
right?
L35[02:11:01] <MisterRogers> Assuming it
has a pickaxe in it's bottom left slot?
L36[02:17:02] <MisterRogers> The dig
program doesn't seem to be working either, am I missing
something?
L37[02:34:42] <Amanda> Can you upload a
screenshot of the robot ui?
L39[02:38:37] <MisterRogers> The return
value is True, blsvk irc.
L40[02:38:52] <MisterRogers> The return
value is "True, block"
L41[02:39:08] <Bob> you
need to swing until its broken
<Bob> you
need to swing until its brokenL42[02:39:29] <Bob> iirc
🤔
<Bob> iirc
🤔L43[02:39:54] <Amanda> Also what block area
your trying to break? Do you have chunk protection enabled?
L44[02:40:30] <Amanda> s/area your/are
you/
L45[02:40:30] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
Also what block are you trying to break? Do you have chunk
protection enabled?
L46[02:41:16] <MisterRogers> Amanda,
regular cobble.. Do I need to put rotbot.swing in a loop?
L47[02:41:28] <Amanda> I don't think
so
L48[02:42:01] <Amanda> If that was the
issue, the dig program would be working
L49[02:42:44] <MisterRogers> Right...
L50[02:42:56] <Amanda> ~w robot
L51[02:42:57] <Bob> its
odd that it returns true then 🤔
<Bob> its
odd that it returns true then 🤔L52[02:43:12] <MisterRogers> I could be
wrong, let me double check.
L53[02:43:44] <MisterRogers> May take a
while.
L54[02:44:17] <MisterRogers> Restarting
MC...
L55[02:44:26] <Amanda> The reason I asked
for a screenshot of to see if you've put it in the bar at the
bottom of the inventory, or still in the inventory
L56[02:45:12] <MisterRogers> It's the
bottom, bottom bar... in the tool slot.
L57[02:45:37] <Amanda> If you've claimed
the chunks with ftb chunks I think you need to do something to
allow the robot to work
L58[02:46:32] <MisterRogers> There aren't
any permissions on the chunk as far as I'm aware.
L59[02:46:48] <Izaya> the something is
disable ftb chunks IIRC
L60[02:48:16] <MisterRogers> IHaven't got
FTB chunks installed...
L61[02:53:20] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> I have a generel
question to modded MC: FTB Utilities alows the ussage of homes but
currently only 1 is possible. Also it restricts the usage of the
cmd for 3 minutes. I couldn't find any configuration file for this.
Anybody who knows how to change the values for that?
<Marcel|Chaoschaot234> I have a generel
question to modded MC: FTB Utilities alows the ussage of homes but
currently only 1 is possible. Also it restricts the usage of the
cmd for 3 minutes. I couldn't find any configuration file for this.
Anybody who knows how to change the values for that?L62[03:04:04] <MisterRogers> I was wrong,
it returns false, "block:.
L63[03:04:16] <MisterRogers> Which is still
weird.
L64[03:05:17] <MisterRogers> "true if
the robot could interact with the block or entity in front of it,
false otherwise"
L65[03:05:28] <MisterRogers> "If
successful the secondary parameter describes what the robot
interacted with and will be one of 'entity', 'block' or
'fire'."
L66[03:05:52] <MisterRogers> Maybe the docs
are outdated.
L67[03:08:22] <MisterRogers> https://i.imgur.com/WOkU3WP.png
L68[03:08:36] <MisterRogers> ^ - My
setup
L69[03:09:51] <MisterRogers> Robot
components: https://i.imgur.com/g0KoRg3.png
L70[03:20:38] <MisterRogers> Might still be
server protections...
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L75[05:16:34] <Forecaster> %tonkout
<Forecaster> %tonkoutL76[05:16:35] <MichiBot> Boo-yah!
Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 11
minutes and 16 seconds (By 8 hours, 18 minutes and 22 seconds)! I
hope you're happy!
L77[05:16:36] <MichiBot> Forecaster has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points!
plus 0.016 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
1.69599097, Position #2 Need 0.08394894 more points to pass
CompanionCube!
L78[05:18:40] *
Amanda curls up around Elfi, loses cohesion, turning into a pile of
floof
L79[05:18:45] <Amanda> Night nerds
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L81[05:37:52] <Izaya> https://pluralistic.net/2020/12/05/trusting-trust/
L82[07:56:49] <bad_at_vijya> hm
L83[08:15:16] <Z0idberg>
Whee
<Z0idberg>
WheeL84[08:19:03] <CompanionCube> Izaya: i was
recently reading a guix article about bootstrapping, because
they're Very Serious about avoiding this problem....
L85[08:19:27] <CompanionCube> iirc they
recently got the bootstrap size to ~60MB
L86[09:14:14] <Patchi>
%chug
<Patchi>
%chugL87[09:14:15] <MichiBot> You drink a light
orange potion (New!). Patchi gains the ability to talk to bricks
until they sneeze.
L88[09:31:16] <Forecaster> my SSD is here!
<Forecaster> my SSD is here!L89[09:31:30] <Forecaster> it's smaller than I
expected...
<Forecaster> it's smaller than I
expected...L90[09:31:38] <Forecaster> for some reason I expected it
to be about the size of a ram stick
<Forecaster> for some reason I expected it
to be about the size of a ram stickL91[09:39:51] <Forecaster> now comes the fun part,
backing up everything important from the old main drive and then
beginning the new system installation
<Forecaster> now comes the fun part,
backing up everything important from the old main drive and then
beginning the new system installationL92[09:52:08] ⇦
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L94[10:14:49] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d23bAqGtImo this is
the content I live for
L95[10:14:50] <MichiBot> The Lost
McDonald's Game Iceberg(er), explained | length: 15m 13s
| Likes: 4,468 Dislikes:
67 Views: 31,703 | by Nick
Robinson | Published On 6/12/2020
L96[10:23:42] <Forecaster> And so it begins, and of
course everything locks up when I'm trying to back things to
<Forecaster> And so it begins, and of
course everything locks up when I'm trying to back things toL97[10:23:56] <Forecaster> And so it begins, and of
course everything locks up when I'm trying to back things up
[Edited]
<Forecaster> And so it begins, and of
course everything locks up when I'm trying to back things up
[Edited]L98[10:25:18] <Forecaster> it's like this system doesn't
want to be replaced or something
<Forecaster> it's like this system doesn't
want to be replaced or somethingL100[10:59:15] <bad_at_vijya> gah
L101[10:59:20] <bad_at_vijya> i can't get
anything to work
L102[10:59:27] <bad_at_vijya> will try
again tomorrow
L103[10:59:28] <bad_at_vijya> or
something
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L105[11:18:03]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L106[11:30:33] <SnailDOS>
too much.
<SnailDOS>
too much.L107[11:30:50] <SnailDOS>
thats way too much xD
<SnailDOS>
thats way too much xDL108[11:33:30]
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L109[11:39:58] <Kristopher38> Nah that's normal
amount
<Kristopher38> Nah that's normal
amountL110[11:40:50] <Izaya> Organisation could
use some work
L113[11:52:12] <ThePiGuy24> %tonk
<ThePiGuy24> %tonkL114[11:52:13] <MichiBot> Potzblitz!
ThePiGuy24! You beat Forecaster's previous record of <0 (By 6
hours, 35 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L115[11:52:14] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24's new
record is 6 hours, 35 minutes and 38 seconds! ThePiGuy24 also
gained 0.00659 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #6. Need
0.08232056 more points to pass Lizzy!
L116[11:53:26] <Izaya> colours!
L117[11:53:36] <ThePiGuy24> ^
<ThePiGuy24> ^L118[11:56:03] <lucsoft>
farben!
<lucsoft>
farben!L119[12:30:27] ⇦
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L131[14:08:46] <Georggi>
Hey guys, a quick question about lua coroutines, do they share
memory? Because I seem to get computer halted error when I try to
access element in a table by index from main loop.
<Georggi>
Hey guys, a quick question about lua coroutines, do they share
memory? Because I seem to get computer halted error when I try to
access element in a table by index from main loop.L132[14:09:15] <Kristopher38> they should
<Kristopher38> they shouldL133[14:09:18] <Kristopher38> post code
<Kristopher38> post codeL134[14:09:26] <Kristopher38> we won't be able to offer
much help otherwise
<Kristopher38> we won't be able to offer
much help otherwiseL135[14:23:22] <Georggi>
You can check the code here https://git.114-7.com/georggi/lua-openos-programs/-/blob/master/python/lua/libs/async.lua#L18
<Georggi>
You can check the code here https://git.114-7.com/georggi/lua-openos-programs/-/blob/master/python/lua/libs/async.lua#L18L136[14:23:22] <Georggi>
This is for eeprom only system, so I've been doing a lot of
customization, but the error definitely happens at the line linked
as there is only one 3-second beep
<Georggi>
This is for eeprom only system, so I've been doing a lot of
customization, but the error definitely happens at the line linked
as there is only one 3-second beepL137[14:26:00] ⇦
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L138[14:26:14] <Georggi>
This is on 1.7.10 btw
<Georggi>
This is on 1.7.10 btwL139[14:34:10] <Georggi>
Just understand it, what computer halted supposed to even
mean
<Georggi>
Just understand it, what computer halted supposed to even
meanL140[14:34:19] <Georggi>
Is it java error or smth?
<Georggi>
Is it java error or smth?L141[14:34:28] <Georggi>
Is it java\scala error or smth? [Edited]
<Georggi>
Is it java\scala error or smth? [Edited]L142[14:38:22] <Georggi>
Also, OC version is MC1.7.10-1.7.5.5.13 in GTNH pack
<Georggi>
Also, OC version is MC1.7.10-1.7.5.5.13 in GTNH packL143[14:38:43] <ThePiGuy24> computer halted means that it
finished the execution of all code, including the OS
<ThePiGuy24> computer halted means that it
finished the execution of all code, including the OSL144[14:39:34] <Georggi>
Well, considering it did that in the middle of if statement, I
guess that is unlikely:/
<Georggi>
Well, considering it did that in the middle of if statement, I
guess that is unlikely:/L145[14:42:09] <Kristopher38> Let me read through your
code
<Kristopher38> Let me read through your
codeL146[14:44:01] <Kristopher38> Where do you actually call
one of those functions that you defined?
<Kristopher38> Where do you actually call
one of those functions that you defined?L147[14:44:41] <Georggi>
https://git.114-7.com/georggi/lua-openos-programs/-/blob/master/python/lua/programs/fission/turbine_controller_bios.lua
<Georggi>
https://git.114-7.com/georggi/lua-openos-programs/-/blob/master/python/lua/programs/fission/turbine_controller_bios.luaL148[14:44:53] <Georggi>
Note, the bios itself is auto-generated
<Georggi>
Note, the bios itself is auto-generatedL149[14:45:02] <Georggi>
but async.run is called
<Georggi>
but async.run is calledL150[14:45:17] <Georggi>
After all, I fixed plenty of other stuff in it by now
<Georggi>
After all, I fixed plenty of other stuff in it by nowL151[14:46:25] <Georggi>
async library is loaded by load(lz4.extract(compressed async
library code))()
<Georggi>
async library is loaded by load(lz4.extract(compressed async
library code))()L152[14:46:48]
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L153[14:47:28] <Amanda> That's a very old
version of MC, there was a bug that could cause "Computer
halted" and would also sometimes wipe hdds, I'd suggest
updating to the latest dev build on the Jenkins instance
L154[14:47:33] <Amanda> er
L155[14:47:36] <Amanda> s/MC/OC/
L156[14:47:36] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
That's a very old version of OC, there was a bug that could cause
"Computer halted" and would also sometimes wipe hdds, I'd
suggest updating to the latest dev build on the Jenkins
instance
L157[14:48:02] <Vexatos> this might not be
related
L158[14:48:04] <Georggi> I
could check it on the latest version, sure
<Georggi> I
could check it on the latest version, sureL159[14:48:12] <Vexatos> computer halted
could also mean there is actually no run loop
L160[14:48:17] <Vexatos> where would the
loop be, anyway
L161[14:48:39] <Amanda> I assumed that
they checked the generated code to make sure the async.run was
actually called
L162[14:48:43] <Vexatos> async.run just
seems to process tasks
L163[14:48:54] <Vexatos> not actually have
a run loop
L164[14:49:43] <Georggi>
async_resume resumes coroutines, unless there is something else
needed there?
<Georggi>
async_resume resumes coroutines, unless there is something else
needed there?L165[14:50:24] <Georggi>
Async run is definitely called, it goes up to the L18 in listener
function than halts
<Georggi>
Async run is definitely called, it goes up to the L18 in listener
function than haltsL166[14:50:57] <Georggi>
So coroutine is also executed.
<Georggi>
So coroutine is also executed.L167[14:51:47] <Kristopher38> maybe `signal` isn't a
table?
<Kristopher38> maybe `signal` isn't a
table?L168[14:51:50] <Georggi>
Maybe I misunderstood something about lua coroutines, they are
executed sequentially, but can be yielded manually
<Georggi>
Maybe I misunderstood something about lua coroutines, they are
executed sequentially, but can be yielded manuallyL169[14:52:08] <Georggi>
Maybe I misunderstood something about lua coroutines, they are
executed sequentially, but can be yielded manually, right?
[Edited]
<Georggi>
Maybe I misunderstood something about lua coroutines, they are
executed sequentially, but can be yielded manually, right?
[Edited]L170[14:52:15] <Amanda> no. They're
cooperative multitasking, you can only execute them manually, and
you're expected to do that yourself
L171[14:52:16] <Georggi>
Maybe I misunderstood something about lua coroutines, they are
executed sequentially, but can be yielded manually, right and then
resumed? [Edited]
<Georggi>
Maybe I misunderstood something about lua coroutines, they are
executed sequentially, but can be yielded manually, right and then
resumed? [Edited]L172[14:52:46] <Georggi>
Well, I am executing them manually, right.
<Georggi>
Well, I am executing them manually, right.L173[14:52:47] <Amanda> lua does not
execute them for you, at least not OClua
L174[14:53:07] <Georggi>
async_resume executes them, so should be good there
<Georggi>
async_resume executes them, so should be good thereL175[14:53:09] <Vexatos> you use yield()
to switch between active coroutines
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L177[14:54:15] <Amanda> Also does
computer.beep actually freeze execution?
L178[14:54:17] <Georggi>
and yield is coro.yield (I am just aliasing global variables so
minifier can actually rename them)
<Georggi>
and yield is coro.yield (I am just aliasing global variables so
minifier can actually rename them)L179[14:54:21] <Georggi>
It does
<Georggi>
It doesL180[14:54:40] <Georggi>
and coroutine.yield is coro.yield (I am just aliasing global
variables so minifier can actually rename them) [Edited]
<Georggi>
and coroutine.yield is coro.yield (I am just aliasing global
variables so minifier can actually rename them) [Edited]L181[14:55:54] <Georggi>
Everywhere where ```_table.insert(signals...``` is called signal is
a table
<Georggi>
Everywhere where ```_table.insert(signals...``` is called signal is
a tableL182[14:56:20] <Georggi>
Besides, that shouldn't cause computer halted error
<Georggi>
Besides, that shouldn't cause computer halted errorL183[14:56:22] <Kristopher38> you're not checking if
signals isn't empty
<Kristopher38> you're not checking if
signals isn't emptyL184[14:56:38] <Georggi> I
am checking that when I insert
<Georggi> I
am checking that when I insertL185[14:57:10] <Kristopher38> what does that have to do
with it
<Kristopher38> what does that have to do
with itL186[14:57:25] <Kristopher38> if signals is empty,
table.remove returns nil
<Kristopher38> if signals is empty,
table.remove returns nilL187[14:57:39] <Kristopher38> but as you say, this might
be unrelated
<Kristopher38> but as you say, this might
be unrelatedL188[14:58:02] <Georggi>
Oh, actually, that may be true.
<Georggi>
Oh, actually, that may be true.L189[15:02:44] <Georggi>
Yeah, that was probably the problem, thanks a lot.
<Georggi>
Yeah, that was probably the problem, thanks a lot.L190[15:03:02] <Kristopher38> np
<Kristopher38> npL191[15:03:50] <Forecaster> jeez, I've spent all day
waiting for files to copy, I haven't even installed the SSD
yet
<Forecaster> jeez, I've spent all day
waiting for files to copy, I haven't even installed the SSD
yetL192[15:03:56] <Forecaster> system migration is
fun...
<Forecaster> system migration is
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L198[16:36:16] <Georggi>
May I ask lua lords, why ```0 and 1``` returns 1?...
<Georggi>
May I ask lua lords, why ```0 and 1``` returns 1?...L199[16:37:19] <lucsoft>
because 1 == true
<lucsoft>
because 1 == trueL200[16:38:19] <Georggi>
and 0 is true? xd
<Georggi>
and 0 is true? xdL201[16:38:21]
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L202[16:38:25] <Georggi>
and 0 == true? xd [Edited]
<Georggi>
and 0 == true? xd [Edited]L203[16:38:40] <lucsoft>
no 0 == false
<lucsoft>
no 0 == falseL204[16:38:54] <Georggi>
so why false and true gives true?:/
<Georggi>
so why false and true gives true?:/L205[16:39:06] <Georggi>
so why ```false and true``` gives true?:/ [Edited]
<Georggi>
so why ```false and true``` gives true?:/ [Edited]L206[16:39:25] <Georggi> I
mean, no, false and true works properly
<Georggi> I
mean, no, false and true works properlyL207[16:39:26] <lucsoft>
false and true just returns the last
<lucsoft>
false and true just returns the lastL208[16:39:26] <Georggi>
yeah
<Georggi>
yeahL209[16:39:48] <Georggi>
true and false\false and true return false always
<Georggi>
true and false\false and true return false alwaysL211[16:39:54] <lucsoft>
and this wis 1 == true is not true in lua https://tinyurl.com/y3wl737f [Edited]
<lucsoft>
and this wis 1 == true is not true in lua https://tinyurl.com/y3wl737f [Edited]L212[16:39:55] <lucsoft>
*lua
<lucsoft>
*luaL213[16:40:07] <lucsoft>
and this with 1 == true is not true in lua https://tinyurl.com/y3wl737f [Edited]
<lucsoft>
and this with 1 == true is not true in lua https://tinyurl.com/y3wl737f [Edited]L214[16:40:46]
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L223[17:25:42] <SquidDev> 1 isn't equal to
true, but they're both truthy.
L224[17:25:52] <SquidDev> Types have to
match exactly in Lua.
L225[17:42:47] <Forecaster> Woo, SSD is in, setup has
begun!
<Forecaster> Woo, SSD is in, setup has
begun!L226[17:44:49] <Forecaster> Weird, only two of the now
four drives appeared in the drive selection dialogue...
<Forecaster> Weird, only two of the now
four drives appeared in the drive selection dialogue...L227[17:45:07] <lucsoft>
rip
<lucsoft>
ripL228[17:45:10] <Forecaster> Fortunately one of them was
the new one
<Forecaster> Fortunately one of them was
the new oneL229[17:46:39] <Forecaster> Oh, Hm...
<Forecaster> Oh, Hm...L230[17:46:52]
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L231[17:47:13] <Forecaster> It booted back into the
install usb after restarting...
<Forecaster> It booted back into the
install usb after restarting...L232[17:47:17] <Forecaster> Sigh
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L234[17:52:09] <Forecaster> Hrm
<Forecaster> HrmL235[17:52:23] <Forecaster> The new drive is a no
show
<Forecaster> The new drive is a no
showL236[17:53:35] <Forecaster> As is the old boot
drive...
<Forecaster> As is the old boot
drive...L237[17:58:21] <Forecaster> Bah, I'll have to disconnect
all other drives for now I guess
<Forecaster> Bah, I'll have to disconnect
all other drives for now I guessL238[18:00:42] <Forecaster> "No bootable
devices"...
<Forecaster> "No bootable
devices"...L239[18:00:47] <Forecaster> Hrm
<Forecaster> HrmL240[18:01:27] <Forecaster> Let's try installing again
with no other drives
<Forecaster> Let's try installing again
with no other drivesL241[18:02:13] <lucsoft>
what ssd did you buy?
<lucsoft>
what ssd did you buy?L242[18:03:42] <Forecaster> Kingston SSD SA2000, 1TB MVMe
PCIe M.2, 2200r/2000w MB/s
<Forecaster> Kingston SSD SA2000, 1TB MVMe
PCIe M.2, 2200r/2000w MB/sL243[18:05:31] <Forecaster> Maybe the bios need to be
updated
<Forecaster> Maybe the bios need to be
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L245[18:07:25] <Forecaster> Yeah that didn't do it...
Installation went fine, but it didn't show up as a boot
option
<Forecaster> Yeah that didn't do it...
Installation went fine, but it didn't show up as a boot
optionL246[18:12:07] <Forecaster> There are two newer bios
versions
<Forecaster> There are two newer bios
versionsL247[18:12:15] <Forecaster> Guess I'll try that
<Forecaster> Guess I'll try thatL248[18:20:06] <Bob>
@Georggi, in Lua, only `nil` and `false` are falsy, the rest is
truthy and why would anumber be false
<Bob>
@Georggi, in Lua, only `nil` and `false` are falsy, the rest is
truthy and why would anumber be falseL249[18:20:34] <Georggi>
in most languages 0 is false
<Georggi>
in most languages 0 is falseL251[18:20:55] <Bob> that
just shows that the language has silent type convertion
<Bob> that
just shows that the language has silent type convertionL252[18:20:55] <Kristopher38> Not in Lua though
<Kristopher38> Not in Lua thoughL253[18:21:27] <Bob>
silent type convertion is bad
<Bob>
silent type convertion is badL254[18:21:38] <Georggi>
in C 0 is false, what now?
<Georggi>
in C 0 is false, what now?L255[18:21:45] <Georggi> C
is bad?
<Georggi> C
is bad?L256[18:22:02] <Forecaster> OH
<Forecaster> OHL257[18:22:04] <Forecaster> here we go
<Forecaster> here we goL258[18:22:05] <Bob>
yeah
<Bob>
yeahL259[18:22:12] <Forecaster> updating the bios seems to
have done it
<Forecaster> updating the bios seems to
have done itL260[18:22:47] <Bob> old C
doesn't really have a bool type so
<Bob> old C
doesn't really have a bool type soL261[18:22:52] <Bob> it
can't be applied until C90
<Bob> it
can't be applied until C90L262[18:23:37] <Forecaster> if that hadn't worked I would
have been ready to panic
<Forecaster> if that hadn't worked I would
have been ready to panicL263[18:24:11] <Georggi>
It's not about silent type conversion, as a matter of fact, lua
does that too
<Georggi>
It's not about silent type conversion, as a matter of fact, lua
does that tooL264[18:24:23] <Bob>
there's only one case
<Bob>
there's only one caseL265[18:24:39] <Bob>
number and string arithmetic, but only when tonumber()
succeeds
<Bob>
number and string arithmetic, but only when tonumber()
succeedsL266[18:25:47] <Georggi>
still it does it here, languages have some silent type conversion
and that is ok
<Georggi>
still it does it here, languages have some silent type conversion
and that is okL267[18:26:05] <Georggi>
The point is, this conversion does not make sense, and is on the
level of some js stuff imo
<Georggi>
The point is, this conversion does not make sense, and is on the
level of some js stuff imoL268[18:26:24] <Georggi>
Not the conversion itself even
<Georggi>
Not the conversion itself evenL269[18:26:29] <Bob> JS
can remain in its world of bad decisions
<Bob> JS
can remain in its world of bad decisionsL270[18:26:31] <Georggi>
but ```and```
<Georggi>
but ```and```L271[18:26:51] <Kristopher38> Lua internally uses a macro
isFalse or something like that to determine truthiness of a
value
<Kristopher38> Lua internally uses a macro
isFalse or something like that to determine truthiness of a
valueL272[18:27:08] <Amanda> JS Is far from the
only language with non-static typing
L273[18:27:24] <Kristopher38> And by its design, only nil
and false are false'y
<Kristopher38> And by its design, only nil
and false are false'yL274[18:27:28] <Georggi>
php5, python, that is fine
<Georggi>
php5, python, that is fineL275[18:27:45] <Bob> being
dynamically typed isn't bad
<Bob> being
dynamically typed isn't badL276[18:27:48] <Georggi>
but by design, 0 is true:/
<Georggi>
but by design, 0 is true:/L277[18:27:59] <Georggi>
but by design, 0 is true'y:/ [Edited]
<Georggi>
but by design, 0 is true'y:/ [Edited]L278[18:28:57] <Amanda> it's so you can do
if optionalNumberArg then ... end, I assume
L279[18:29:01] <Kristopher38> I mean, what are we even
discussing
<Kristopher38> I mean, what are we even
discussingL280[18:29:10] <Georggi>
It's is just not quite in line with other languages, that's the
first language I saw this being the case:/
<Georggi>
It's is just not quite in line with other languages, that's the
first language I saw this being the case:/L281[18:29:20] <Kristopher38> Well yeah
<Kristopher38> Well yeahL282[18:29:30] <Bob> why
would you want 0 to be false though
<Bob> why
would you want 0 to be false thoughL283[18:29:41] <Kristopher38> Oh jesus
<Kristopher38> Oh jesusL284[18:29:46] <Kristopher38> Alright I'm outta
here
<Kristopher38> Alright I'm outta
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L286[18:34:06] <Georggi>
for instance, for this ((status or 0) and 1)*15, where status is
bool
<Georggi>
for instance, for this ((status or 0) and 1)*15, where status is
boolL287[18:34:10] <Georggi>
for instance, for this ```((status or 0) and 1)*15```, where status
is bool [Edited]
<Georggi>
for instance, for this ```((status or 0) and 1)*15```, where status
is bool [Edited]L288[18:35:42] <Bob> this
will always be equals to 15
<Bob> this
will always be equals to 15L289[18:35:54] <Georggi> I
mean yeah, I know
<Georggi> I
mean yeah, I knowL290[18:36:02] <Georggi>
because 0 is true'y
<Georggi>
because 0 is true'yL291[18:36:16] <Bob>
`status and 0 or 15`
<Bob>
`status and 0 or 15`L292[18:37:48] <Georggi>
ok, well, maybe you can do it in a different way, sure. I've said
my point tho, lua is weird ont in this case
<Georggi>
ok, well, maybe you can do it in a different way, sure. I've said
my point tho, lua is weird ont in this caseL293[18:37:52] <Georggi>
ok, well, maybe you can do it in a different way, sure. I've said
my point tho, lua is weird one in this case. [Edited]
<Georggi>
ok, well, maybe you can do it in a different way, sure. I've said
my point tho, lua is weird one in this case. [Edited]L294[18:38:32] <Bob> i can
understand that you would want to convert a bool to [0,1] but you
pointed out the fact that 0 isn't false
<Bob> i can
understand that you would want to convert a bool to [0,1] but you
pointed out the fact that 0 isn't falseL295[18:38:36]
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L296[18:39:00] <Georggi>
It's fine that it's weird, you can get around that anyways.
<Georggi>
It's fine that it's weird, you can get around that anyways.L297[18:40:33]
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L298[18:42:02] <Forecaster> wellp, new system is
online
<Forecaster> wellp, new system is
onlineL299[18:42:12] <Forecaster> now come the most fun part of
re-installing stuff
<Forecaster> now come the most fun part of
re-installing stuffL300[18:42:22] <Forecaster> and trying to restore
settings and things
<Forecaster> and trying to restore
settings and thingsL301[18:42:23] <Forecaster> woop
<Forecaster> woopL302[18:42:31] <Forecaster> at least it takes no time to
boot up now
<Forecaster> at least it takes no time to
boot up nowL303[18:44:44] <lucsoft>
hdd to ssd upgrade?
<lucsoft>
hdd to ssd upgrade?L304[18:44:50] ⇦
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L306[18:48:16] <Forecaster> failing hdd to ssd
<Forecaster> failing hdd to ssdL307[18:49:02] <Forecaster> It took about 15 minutes if
not more for it to log in, with disk usage sitting solidly at
100%
<Forecaster> It took about 15 minutes if
not more for it to log in, with disk usage sitting solidly at
100%L308[18:50:18] <Forecaster> I wish chrome would sync
plugin settings too and not just the plugins themselves...
<Forecaster> I wish chrome would sync
plugin settings too and not just the plugins themselves...L309[18:51:33] <Forecaster> And my old drives aren't
showing up after plugging them back in... Hrm
<Forecaster> And my old drives aren't
showing up after plugging them back in... HrmL310[18:57:01] <Forecaster> This is not ideal
<Forecaster> This is not idealL311[18:57:19] <Forecaster> why are they not appearing...
did I change something in the bios
<Forecaster> why are they not appearing...
did I change something in the biosL312[18:59:14]
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L314[18:59:35] <Forecaster> but I don't think that should
affect drives showing up in windows in any way...
<Forecaster> but I don't think that should
affect drives showing up in windows in any way...L315[18:59:51] <Michiyo> Some boards
disable some SATA ports when the m.2 is in use.
L316[18:59:54] <Michiyo> so, swap
ports
L317[19:00:06] <Forecaster> oh, what D:<
<Forecaster> oh, what D:<L319[19:00:34] <Forecaster> might need to run an update
to get drives in place
<Forecaster> might need to run an update
to get drives in placeL320[19:00:42] <Forecaster> drivers*
<Forecaster> drivers*L321[19:00:52] <Forecaster> but also drives, I
suppose
<Forecaster> but also drives, I
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L323[19:18:39] <Forecaster> Standard SATA AHCI
Controller: `This device cannot start. (Code 10) An I/O adapter
hardware error has occurred.`
<Forecaster> Standard SATA AHCI
Controller: `This device cannot start. (Code 10) An I/O adapter
hardware error has occurred.`L324[19:18:48] <Forecaster> well I don't need you anyway
D:<
<Forecaster> well I don't need you anyway
D:<L325[19:19:41] <Forecaster> lets try getting some MB
drivers
<Forecaster> lets try getting some MB
driversL326[19:26:48] <Forecaster> hm, well the error in the
device manager went away, but still no drive
<Forecaster> hm, well the error in the
device manager went away, but still no driveL327[19:26:57] <Forecaster> I guess changing ports is
next then
<Forecaster> I guess changing ports is
next thenL328[19:34:30] <Forecaster> okay, so it disables SATA
connector 4 & 5 when the M.2 is in use
<Forecaster> okay, so it disables SATA
connector 4 & 5 when the M.2 is in useL329[19:34:41] <Forecaster> but 0,1,2, and 3 should still
work
<Forecaster> but 0,1,2, and 3 should still
workL330[19:34:51] <Forecaster> but the drive isn't showing
up anyway....
<Forecaster> but the drive isn't showing
up anyway....L331[19:35:05] <Forecaster> (I'm just trying with a
single drive at the moment)
<Forecaster> (I'm just trying with a
single drive at the moment)L332[19:49:22] <Forecaster> bah, why wont they show
up
<Forecaster> bah, why wont they show
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L335[20:02:31] <Forecaster> oh...
<Forecaster> oh...L336[20:02:34] <Forecaster> okay then
<Forecaster> okay thenL337[20:02:57] <Forecaster> I had to enable
"External SATA support" for each port in the bios
<Forecaster> I had to enable
"External SATA support" for each port in the biosL338[20:03:10] <Forecaster> and now the drives are back
like nothing happened
<Forecaster> and now the drives are back
like nothing happenedL339[20:03:59]
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L340[20:04:28] <Forecaster> now's the question, do I just
dump program and appdata folders back, or do I pick and
choose...
<Forecaster> now's the question, do I just
dump program and appdata folders back, or do I pick and
choose...L341[20:04:29] <Forecaster> hm
<Forecaster> hmL342[20:08:35] <Forecaster> probably... but I think I'll
go through all of that tomorrow
<Forecaster> probably... but I think I'll
go through all of that tomorrowL343[20:08:58] <Michiyo> I need to move
the rest of the stuff off of Lizzy's server today I suppose
L344[20:09:35] <Michiyo> OH lmao... oclogs
hasn't updated in a while because I'm a derp.
L345[20:10:13] <Forecaster> ugh, so many little programs
to re-install to get everything working the way I want it to
<Forecaster> ugh, so many little programs
to re-install to get everything working the way I want it toL346[20:21:42] <Forecaster> oh
<Forecaster> ohL347[20:21:53] <Forecaster> and I need to get my audio
set up again too
<Forecaster> and I need to get my audio
set up again tooL348[20:21:55] <Forecaster> wonderfull
<Forecaster> wonderfullL349[20:33:37] <Ariri> Is
there anything to know about developing ML stuff for mobile apps?
Was looking to use TensorFlow or ConvNet to make an ANN for some
file analysis trickery
<Ariri> Is
there anything to know about developing ML stuff for mobile apps?
Was looking to use TensorFlow or ConvNet to make an ANN for some
file analysis trickeryL350[20:40:04] <Michiyo> Ok, I'm moving
Neo, everyone quiet! :P
L351[20:41:08] <Michiyo> Oh... hmm
L352[20:41:11] <Michiyo> hold off on
that
L353[20:41:12] <Michiyo> lol
L354[20:42:17] <Michiyo> I'm confused
:D
L355[20:44:42] <Michiyo> I also
accidentally typed exit on the Proxmox console, and it looks to
have broken console access
L356[20:45:41] <Forecaster> that's bad
<Forecaster> that's badL357[20:46:36] <Michiyo> woo I can still
SSH in
L358[20:49:41] <Forecaster> that's good!
<Forecaster> that's good!L359[20:54:37]
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L360[20:54:48] <Forecaster> aw man, I was going to do
that earlier but got distracted by system migration >:
<Forecaster> aw man, I was going to do
that earlier but got distracted by system migration >:L361[20:54:49] *** Server sets mode: +ntz
L362[20:55:17] <Michiyo> Well...
annoyingly THAT'S an unlogged tonk
L363[20:55:18] <Michiyo> lol..
L364[20:55:30] <CompanionCube> Forecaster:
i'd say odds are good you will temporarily reclaim #1 at some point
this month
L365[20:55:54] <CompanionCube> but anyway,
for the logs
L366[20:55:57] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L367[20:56:08] <Michiyo> %tonk
L368[20:56:18] <Michiyo> Ah, right admins
don't override timeouts anymore.
L369[20:56:19] <Forecaster> 15 minutes...
<Forecaster> 15 minutes...L370[20:56:45] <Forecaster> not for tonk, and tonk and
tonkout share a timeout now
<Forecaster> not for tonk, and tonk and
tonkout share a timeout nowL371[20:57:25] <Forecaster> I made it to the admin
override can be ignored for specific timeout instances :P
<Forecaster> I made it to the admin
override can be ignored for specific timeout instances :PL372[20:57:58] <Forecaster> I made it so the admin
override can be ignored for specific timeout instances :P
[Edited]
<Forecaster> I made it so the admin
override can be ignored for specific timeout instances :P
[Edited]L373[20:57:59] <Kodos> So
my tonkout didn't count or what?
<Kodos> So
my tonkout didn't count or what?L374[20:58:18] <Forecaster> it did, but oclogs isn't
logging stuff right now
<Forecaster> it did, but oclogs isn't
logging stuff right nowL375[20:58:22] <Forecaster> that's what she meant
<Forecaster> that's what she meantL376[20:58:24] <Kodos>
Ah
<Kodos>
AhL377[20:58:32] <Kodos> I
should probably go have coffee
<Kodos> I
should probably go have coffeeL378[21:00:26] <Forecaster> hm, I think there was another
true/false parameter in the timeout class... but what was it
<Forecaster> hm, I think there was another
true/false parameter in the timeout class... but what was itL379[21:02:35] <Forecaster> oh right, perUserLimit
<Forecaster> oh right, perUserLimitL380[21:02:49] <Forecaster> whether the timeout is
per-user or global
<Forecaster> whether the timeout is
per-user or globalL381[21:04:18] <Forecaster> the potion command could use
that one
<Forecaster> the potion command could use
that oneL382[21:04:48] <lucsoft>
what is %tonk ?
<lucsoft>
what is %tonk ?L383[21:04:56] <Forecaster> %tonkleaders
<Forecaster> %tonkleadersL384[21:04:58] <MichiBot> Forecaster:
https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L386[21:05:11] <Forecaster> oh yeah, that is down
<Forecaster> oh yeah, that is downL387[21:06:56] <Forecaster> https://github.com/PC-Logix/LanteaBot/blob/a187f5c2e6ed5d147ac8d19b544724dc9fb4d0fc/src/main/java/pcl/lc/irc/hooks/Tonk.java#L734-L748
<Forecaster> https://github.com/PC-Logix/LanteaBot/blob/a187f5c2e6ed5d147ac8d19b544724dc9fb4d0fc/src/main/java/pcl/lc/irc/hooks/Tonk.java#L734-L748L388[21:12:39] <lucsoft>
why not in Discordia and running on an opencomputer
<lucsoft>
why not in Discordia and running on an opencomputerL389[21:13:02] <Forecaster> what
<Forecaster> whatL390[21:13:21] <lucsoft>
the bot
<lucsoft>
the botL391[21:16:43] <Forecaster> I don't know what the
question is
<Forecaster> I don't know what the
question isL392[21:56:53]
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L394[22:09:49] <Michiyo> Yeah, MichiBot
needs to move off of Lizzy's server, that's next up
L395[22:09:51] <Michiyo> then
Corded..
L396[22:10:16] <Michiyo> Matter of
fact.
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L398[22:10:55] <Michiyo> 3092997 Man
that's a huge PID lol
L399[22:14:23] <Michiyo> Relay is going
down for a bit
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L401[22:18:23] <Amanda> Quick. talak about
the discord-only users while they can't see!
L402[22:20:14] <Michiyo> I've been using
discord so much I just tried to thumbs up your message
L403[22:20:15] <Michiyo> ._.
L404[22:20:34] <Amanda> haha
L405[22:22:00] <Ariri> Silly Discord
users
L406[22:22:07] <CompanionCube> Skye:
https://twitter.com/karlbykarlsmith/status/1335298807022628866
L407[22:22:19] <Michiyo> @lcsoft
"why not in Discordia and running on an opencomputer"
Because MichiBot is an IRC Bot. Also I don't feel like leaving a
Minecraft server up 24/7 to run a bot.
L408[22:22:37] <Michiyo> @lucsoft *
L409[22:22:44] <Michiyo> Damn tab script
eating 'u's
L410[22:22:56] <Michiyo> I still don't
understand why it does that <_<
L411[22:23:09] <Ariri> Nom. u r no
more
L412[22:26:25] <Michiyo> Oh just
realized...
L413[22:26:29] <Michiyo> I tried to ping a
discord user
L414[22:26:33] <Michiyo> and the bridge is
still doen
L415[22:26:34] <Michiyo> go me
L416[22:30:47] <Ariri> I wasn't going to
say anything
L417[22:36:06] <Amanda> I didn't even
notice
L418[22:36:30] <Michiyo> aaaand I can't
sftp to my server suddenly
L419[22:37:49] <dequbed> #oc without
Discord is just #oc with less popcorn to be fair.
L420[22:42:30] <Neo> wtf...
L421[22:43:06] <Neo> FFS! My connection to
my main ZNC instance is flapping
L422[22:43:18] <Michiyo> ...
L423[22:43:27] <Michiyo> .
L424[22:43:30] <Neo> .
L425[22:43:38] <Neo> Damn it!
L426[22:44:46] <Izaya> had a fan sitting
next to my chair for the better part of a year
L427[22:44:55] <Izaya> thought it was
boned and the bearings were gone
L428[22:45:00] <Izaya> turn it on last
night and it just works
L429[22:45:01] <Izaya> neat
L430[22:53:05] <dequbed> Izaya: Pulseaudio
is a stable of OSS enginerding: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/-/merge_requests/227
L431[22:53:29] <dequbed>
s/stable/staple/
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L436[22:54:23] <dequbed> Puh, got that in
just before the Discord kids can see it again. Hello kids.
L437[22:54:57] <Michiyo> It's not working
just yet... <_<
L438[22:55:28] <dequbed> Michiyo: Oh..
well. do tell me when I can tease the people using the inferior IM
protocol :P
L439[22:56:32] <Michiyo> %ping
L440[22:56:33] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Michiyo 0.69s
L441[22:56:46] <Michiyo> MichiBot lives
again
L442[22:56:50] <Michiyo>
%tonkleaders
L443[22:56:50] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L444[22:57:01] <Michiyo> MichiBot's site
ALSO lives again
L445[22:57:05] <Izaya> >
L446[22:57:07] <Izaya> Sorry, but I'm not
going to play this 2 years long game with another project.
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L450[23:00:05] <Michiyo> .
L451[23:00:14] <Michiyo> *sigh*
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L455[23:00:58] <Michiyo> DAMN IT
L456[23:01:38] <Izaya> dequbed: scenario
on fedi last night was prompted by For All Mankind
L457[23:01:56] <Michiyo> Whelp.. I think
I'm on the new Discord API Gateway.. which Corded doesn't
support.
L458[23:02:14] <dequbed> Izaya: The
problem is that depending on which reason you choose you get
totally different outcomes.
L459[23:02:24] <Izaya> yeah :D
L460[23:03:28] <dequbed> Izaya: Like I
started from von Braun not joining the VfR resulting in the V2
never getting developed resulting in Goddard never getting the
Attention from the Navy he deserved but Russia still developing
Rockets.
L461[23:05:35] <dequbed> Handwaved a
reason why the CCCP was /less/ interested so that Sputnik happened
in the 1960s instead but from there it rabbitholed into a tree of
scenarios ranging from Mars colonies (which Russia wanted more than
Moon bases) over we're all communists now because America lost the
third war (or we're all dead) to russia being flattened and most
space research never happening.
L462[23:05:56] <Michiyo> Great news for
folks who didn't like the Discord bridge...
L463[23:05:59] <Michiyo> It's dead for a
while.
L464[23:06:23] <dequbed> I'm sorry
Michiyo, that sounds like a lot of additional work and annoyance
for you.
L465[23:09:12] <Michiyo> anyone know a
quick way to see differences between a fork and the source?
L466[23:09:28] <Michiyo> hopefully with
the source at a specific commit
L467[23:09:32] <CompanionCube> doesn't
github have a nice UI for this?
L468[23:09:37] <Michiyo> IDK maybe
L469[23:09:45] <CompanionCube> repo
link?
L470[23:10:30] <Michiyo> Oh
L471[23:10:30] <Michiyo> https://github.com/DV8FromTheWorld/Yui/compare/master...CaitlynMainer:master
L472[23:10:32] <Michiyo> Neat...
L473[23:10:35] <dequbed> Michiyo: In the
console you can just do `git diff tree-ish tree-ish` there both
tree-ish can be commits. So you could do `git diff master
0715ae`
L474[23:12:26] <Michiyo> bleh
L475[23:13:37] <Michiyo> This MAY not be
as bad as I'm thinking.. let's see
L476[23:14:09] <Izaya> dequbed: okay well,
if it did happen in the 80s, what would be different
technologically?
L477[23:15:20] <dequbed> Izaya: Nothing.
computers add fuckall to the mix until the very modern age with
heavy simulations.
L478[23:17:57] <dequbed> The sensors would
have been slightly better but only slightly because you mustn't
forget that a lot of sensor development happened *because* of the
space race, not the other way around.
L479[23:19:31] <dequbed> We'd be behind on
rocket chemistry somewhat given that the Germans didn't spend
excessive amounts of money into alternative fuel research and
neither did the americans until the late 60s. The Russians never
cared, they were the leaders at making cyogenic stuff back
then.
L480[23:19:59] <dequbed> And also had a
basically infinite supply of kerosene.
L481[23:29:09] <Michiyo>
java.lang.AbstractMethodError:
org.gradle.api.plugins.quality.internal.AbstractCodeQualityPlugin.configureConfiguration(Lorg/gradle/api/artifacts/Configuration;)
L482[23:29:10] <Michiyo> ffs
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L484[23:38:13] <dequbed> Izaya: A thing to
note though, at the "beginning" of the space race, the
american were years behind. When they managed to carry about 15kg
to LEO the Russians were like "we just yeeted 1.3 tons of
satellite (Sputnik 3) into LEO". The Americans catched up
quickly though because their megalomaniac approach to rocket
surgery worked better than the RAID approach the russians
took.
L485[23:38:54] <dequbed> The thing is
though with more modern fabrication techiques that could have been
different though meaning the Russians might have not let the
Americans catch up and actually got their N-1 equivalent off the
ground.
L486[23:39:55] <dequbed> After all the
Soyuz is now the most used and safest rocket there is.
L487[23:40:03] <Michiyo> I'mma go jump off
a bridge now
L488[23:40:03] <Michiyo> AFK!
L489[23:40:31] <Izaya> in this series the
divergence from real history is > rocket engineer Sergei Korolev
survived the 1966 surgery which killed him in the real world, and
subsequently was able to fix the previously fatal flaws in the N-1
rocket.
L490[23:41:00] <dequbed> That ... is more
unlikely than an meteroid wiping out NASA.
L491[23:41:15] <Izaya> :D
L492[23:41:17] <dequbed> The N1 had such
fundamental flaws in it's engine design that you would never make
it reliable.
L493[23:42:34] <Izaya> > first stage
remains the most powerful rocket stage ever built
L494[23:42:35] <Izaya> Daaaamn
L495[23:44:37] <dequbed> Izaya: Wanna see
crazy Russian rockets? The Энергия, Energija. Originally the
carrier rocket for the Buran space plane. Plans called for a heavy
version (lol) that had 175t of payload to LEO. For reference, the
Saturn V had 120.
L496[23:45:44] <Izaya> > second attempt
resulting in the vehicle crashing back onto its launch pad shortly
after liftoff and causing one of the largest artificial non-nuclear
explosions in human history
L497[23:45:46] <dequbed> lol because the
Энергия is the second biggest rocket ever successfully launched,
after the Saturn V. And the Russians wanted a "heavy"
version of that. Kinda like when they designed Царь-бомба and were
like "but we can make it go bigger boom!"
L498[23:45:51] <Izaya> man that N1 must've
been something
L499[23:47:30] <dequbed> Actually.. Izaya
now that I think about it, if the design bureau of the N-1 had
modern computers for aeronamic designs at their hand and the
manufacturing capability of the 80s maybe they would actually had
made many fewer errors.
L500[23:47:44] <dequbed>
s/aeronamic/aerodynamic/
L501[23:47:44] <MichiBot> <dequbed>
Actually.. Izaya now that I think about it, if the design bureau of
the N-1 had modern computers for aerodynamic designs at their hand
and the manufacturing capability of the 80s maybe they would
actually had made many fewer errors.
L502[23:48:10] <dequbed> Maybe it /could/
have worked that is. Which is a scary though because the rocket is
crazy.
L503[23:49:02] <Izaya> Any spacecraft is
just a weapon with more steps, after all.
L504[23:49:13] <Izaya> Well, propelled
spacecraft.
L505[23:51:17] <Izaya> dequbed: did I poke
you with the russian ground-effect planes like a few months
ago?
L506[23:51:32] <dequbed> Don't think
so
L507[23:52:35] <Izaya> apparently there
were a decent few ekranoplans built in the USSR
L508[23:52:53] <Izaya> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Bartini_VVA-14.jpg
L509[23:55:45] <dequbed> Neat
L510[23:59:03] <Izaya> I wonder if one
could make that SE wings mod mimic the ground effect