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L1[00:21:41] <dequbed> Fucking hell. One of my colonists dad fell from the sky, I rescued him but he didn't want to join. Not my problem, he was Jealous anyway. Not a week later that same dad has apparenlty joined some random tribal faction that *hates* us and has joined a raid on our colony, punches on of my colonists in the face, gets shot and now my other colonist is sad cause his dad died.
L2[00:24:00] <grantlmul> rimworld?
L3[00:24:23] <dequbed> Rimworld.
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L7[00:33:53] <Kristo​pher38> I got a couple, and the female has an ugly modifier -40
L8[00:34:43] <Kristo​pher38> So the male has a mood modifier "this is how I feel around my lover" and it's something like -3 cause she's so ugly and it makes me kinda sad
L9[00:36:32] <dequbed> I have two lesbians that refuse to start dating while being at a constant +100 because that's apparently just how the game is implemented.
L10[00:38:27] <Amanda> dequbed: the game has disaster lesbians!?
L11[00:38:48] <Amanda> or is it just that they don't allow same-sex relationships
L12[00:40:17] <dequbed> Amanda: No but in vanilla females have 1/8th the chance of males to approach the other party in a relationship. I have Psychology (a mod) so the binary straight/gay is replaced by the kinsey scale but I feel like they didn't modify the approach chance.
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L14[00:41:02] <Amanda> dequbed: so: Disaster lesbians. :D
L15[00:41:51] <dequbed> Amanda: Ye. Just checked. They are +100, perfect compatability. 0.34% romance chance. Yeah no. Of to marry jail you go.
L16[00:42:05] <Amanda> marry jail?
L17[00:42:34] <dequbed> DF has basically the same problem. There the solution is simple. Just pair up dwarfs, and lock them to their quarters until they marry.
L18[00:42:44] <Amanda> I see
L19[00:42:48] <grantlmul> i was typing that
L20[00:42:48] <dequbed> Well DF has it for /all/ relationships not just lesbian ones.
L21[00:42:50] <grantlmul> :(
L22[00:43:07] <Amanda> "Sorry, you two caught something very dangerous, we need to lock you two up in isolation."
L23[00:43:22] <Amanda> Patent Record sais: The Big Gay
L24[00:43:29] <dequbed> Problem is I can't exactly lock my crafter #1, constructor #2 and constructor #1, crafter #2 in their quarters for an extended amount of time either.
L25[00:44:09] <grantlmul> BREAKING NEWS: new pandemic replaces COVID-19, called gayitis
L26[00:47:48] <dequbed> Ariri: Wanna be a sassy catgirl scientist colonist? :p
L27[00:47:49] <dequbed> Ariri: Wanna be a sassy catgirl scientist colonist? :p
L28[00:47:54] <dequbed> FFs.
L29[00:48:10] <grantlmul> why/how did you send the same message twice
L30[00:48:28] <dequbed> Cause my enter key got stuck
L31[00:48:36] <grantlmul> test
L32[00:48:44] <grantlmul> hmm
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L34[00:56:18] <grantlmu1> i now have irssi
L35[00:56:39] <grantlmu1> wait
L36[00:56:47] <grantlmu1> thats a 1 not an l
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L41[01:37:19] <Amanda> %choose factory or irradiate
L42[01:37:19] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I had a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about "irradiate"
L43[01:37:36] <Amanda> %roll 1d2-1
L44[01:37:36] <MichiBot> 2-1 => 1
L45[01:37:49] <Amanda> %choose en or jp
L46[01:37:50] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Haven't you always gone with "jp"? Hm, maybe not.
L47[01:37:57] * Amanda nods sagely
L48[01:38:14] * Amanda snugs up around Elfi, loads up the last two episodes of The Misfit of Demon King Acadamy
L49[01:38:32] * Amanda catches a whiff of herself in the process, decides it's time for the rain box first.
L50[01:41:39] <Amanda> dequbed: I have decided that there's not 1/8th chance of a girl asking another girl out, it's a 1/8th chance of it being seen as a romantic request, "You're pretty" "Thanks!"
L51[01:42:51] <dequbed> Amanda: Given those two "I wanna do you" "Sure" [...] "wait like relationship style? ... oooooooohh" with the last part not happening the first few times <.<
L52[01:47:50] * grantlmul checks if /me is a thing or something like that
L53[01:48:05] * grantlmul is confirmed to be stupid
L54[01:48:56] <grantlmul> yep
L55[01:54:05] <Amanda> dequbed: .... oppa relationship style
L56[01:54:18] * Amanda hides in a pocket-dimension
L57[01:54:39] <dequbed> Amanda: I'm going to rename this colonies fat lazy cat after you if you keep teasing me :p
L58[01:54:46] <Amanda> :P
L59[01:55:18] <dequbed> It's a norwegian forest cat and she has done /nothing/ but sit around, eat, yell at us if we didn't feed her fast enough and occasionally cuddled with a select few. Useless I tell you, useless.
L60[01:57:04] <Amanda> sounds like a perfectly respectable lifestyle!
L61[01:57:20] <Amanda> also similar to me, a long-hair breed
L62[01:57:27] <Amanda> and larger than usual, IIRC
L63[01:57:57] <dequbed> Yeah
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L66[02:01:25] <grantlmul> welcome back
L67[02:02:20] <dequbed> Amanda: Worst part is I have like useful animals, including a dire wolf that dropped together with us but Minla is like "nah I'm cool, gimme more food though"
L68[02:06:46] <Ar​iri> dequbed: Sure thing
L69[02:06:58] <Ar​iri> ^~^
L70[02:07:53] <dequbed> @Ariri you technically have a husband but he's a pyromaniac and a sickly doctor soooo.... yeah. But he runs fast!
L71[02:19:38] <Ar​iri> I can work with that
L72[02:20:21] <Ar​iri> opens a space time rift using pyrotechnics
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L75[02:22:13] <dequbed> @Ariri he's also really rude and insults way to many people with large-caliber guns for his health.
L76[02:22:21] <grantlmul> thunderbird :)
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L78[02:43:48] <Amanda> dequbed: surely she just sees that your people can hunt just fine, no need to help with murder presents!
L79[02:52:25] <Ar​iri> dequbed, haha
L80[02:53:20] <dequbed> Amanda: Welcome to the colony, don't let Стрелка eat you :p
L81[02:55:43] <Ar​iri> %translate ru en Стрелка
L82[02:55:43] <MichiBot> Arrow
L83[03:09:38] <Amanda> %tell Inari inari~~~ stop shrinking the furniture! https://i.imgur.com/Kbp8Pn6.jpg
L84[03:09:38] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L85[03:10:31] <Amanda> dequbed: perfect! Simulation infiltrated, time to meow at the disaster lesbians untill they kiss
L86[03:17:24] <Izaya> nerds
L87[03:17:35] <Izaya> in your opinion, what is the correct keybind to go back
L88[03:18:09] <Amanda> Mouse 5
L89[03:18:44] <Izaya> technically a keybind, I'll allow it
L90[03:18:48] <Amanda> I've not used anything else since getting a mouse with them
L91[03:19:27] <Amanda> Amusingly factorio bonds it as an alternative for inventory.. which happens to also close nose gui elements
L92[03:19:27] <Izaya> but like
L93[03:19:39] <Izaya> if you were implementing software where it made sense
L94[03:19:45] <Izaya> what would you bind to back?
L95[03:19:54] <Amanda> Close most gui*
L96[03:20:19] <Izaya> thinkpad keyboard actually has a "go back a page" key
L97[03:20:35] <Izaya> it's not as well supported as I'd like
L98[03:20:47] <Amanda> I was getting to none XK....
L99[03:20:59] <Amanda> Going to joke*
L100[03:21:12] <Amanda> I should proofread
L101[03:21:20] <Amanda> I'm not going to, but I should
L102[03:24:53] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: Alt-left arrow or maybe just backspace
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L104[03:52:11] <Amanda> %tell Inari also: did you really think destroying my (soul) would stop me from coming back to life?
L105[03:52:11] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L106[03:52:53] * Amanda tucks back in around Elfi, having meowed at the disaster lesbians for awhile, zzzmews after a day of hard work
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L109[04:47:35] <Ocawesome101> o/
L110[04:47:38] <Ocawesome101> been a minute
L111[04:47:46] <Ocawesome101> or 2880
L112[04:53:57] <ThePi​Guy24> 1 +/- ∞
L113[04:54:23] <Ocawesome101> lmao
L114[04:58:00] <Ocawesome101> AEAEAEAE
L115[04:58:14] <Ocawesome101> how do i make file:write(str) not write a newline? it's getting annoying
L116[05:00:52] <ThePi​Guy24> it shouldnt?
L117[05:01:04] <ThePi​Guy24> does the string have a newline?
L118[05:01:15] <Ocawesome101> i mightve figured out what i was doing
L119[05:01:25] <Ocawesome101> more to do with my text editor writing a newline
L120[05:41:37] <Forec​aster> %sip
L121[05:41:37] <MichiBot> You drink a sweet water potion (New!). A genie appears out of the empty bottle, turns it into a pie, then vanishes.
L122[06:06:34] <Snai​lDOS> In roblox, its a Lua Based scripting environment, this means, there must be a way to create a functioning OS is stroed in a Datastore.
L123[06:18:14] <Ocawesome101> if you create a way to have some form of terminal and I/O, then sort of yes
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L126[06:37:12] <Snai​lDOS> HMM
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L128[08:15:39] <Michiyo> https://preview.redd.it/vwq6kmjw0jp51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1856c159c88e7549344c956654a7cdcccf061988
L129[08:16:45] <Forec​aster> shouldn't it be `isChoking()`
L130[08:16:48] <Forec​aster> who wrote this
L131[08:19:35] <Michiyo> I mean, that's one of the problems yes.
L132[08:19:36] <Michiyo> :P
L133[08:19:43] <Michiyo> found on r/badcode
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L136[08:33:19] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L137[08:33:19] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Compan​ionCube, you were not able to beat Ar​iri's record of 9 hours, 2 minutes and 16 seconds this time. 8 hours, 45 minutes and 17 seconds were wasted! Missed by 16 minutes and 58 seconds!
L138[08:33:49] <CompanionCube> fml
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L143[09:42:40] <Ar​iri> rip CC
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L146[10:08:08] <zccafa3> Hello everyone. First time & message here. I am new to Lua language, I was wondering if one of you could reccomend any good resources or examples of some Lua coding convention / style guide. (I have already read through the following style guide http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaStyleGuide )
L147[10:10:19] <Forec​aster> it wasn't enough?
L148[10:14:30] <zccafa3> I'm sure its probably plenty. But wanted a feel for if (there are) and how popular styles differ
L149[10:14:44] <zccafa3> I'm sure its probably sufficient*. But wanted a feel for if (there are) and how popular styles differ
L150[10:20:43] <Forec​aster> just look on github?
L151[10:22:05] <Forec​aster> these are my OC projects: https://gitlab.theender.net/Forecaster/OC-programs/-/tree/master
L152[10:24:23] <Kristo​pher38> Shameless plug https://github.com/Kristopher38/OC-Von-Neumann-probe
L153[10:24:36] <Kristo​pher38> Pretty big project of mine
L154[10:26:12] <zccafa3> Thank you both, will have a flick through :)
L155[10:28:45] <Kristo​pher38> Though indentation in mine might be a bit fucked at places because visual studio code chooses to use tabs and spaces interchangeably
L156[10:29:08] <Kristo​pher38> So it looks misaligned on github
L157[10:31:57] <Forec​aster> when I say projects I really mean "assorted small programs"
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L160[11:05:57] <ubq​323> are there any good opencomputers servers
L161[11:06:10] <ubq​323> preferably ones without computercraft as well
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L163[11:18:44] <Forec​aster> %sip
L164[11:18:44] <MichiBot> You drink a stirring transparent potion (New!). Wheels are briefly square.
L165[11:25:51] <Forec​aster> %splash Inari
L166[11:25:51] <MichiBot> Forecaster flings a shiny radiation potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari's hair glows the color of tuna until they tonk.
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L168[11:42:18] <T-D​ark> How does the event api work? I've taken a look at the code, and it appears that just about everything is done by calling `event.register()`, but who takes care of actually, you know, calling the handlers that this function registers?
L169[11:43:48] <T-D​ark> There's a big pile of code that might be doing that, but it appears to simply sleep until the next event shows up, yet events are somehow non-blocking?
L170[11:44:29] <Forec​aster> what are you trying to do
L171[11:46:57] <T-D​ark> Learning, for the most part.
L172[11:47:10] <Kristo​pher38> I took a glance at event.lua and it seems the handlers are actually called here on this line https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/lib/event.lua#L72
L173[11:48:14] <T-D​ark> I saw that too, but that line is under the redefinition of `computer.pullSignal`, which blocks waiting for an event
L174[11:49:10] <T-D​ark> Thing is, `event.listen` works without blocking, so whatever handles actually calling the callback must be doing so without blocking other code
L175[11:51:07] <Kristo​pher38> brb i'll explain it to you in a moment
L176[11:51:17] <Kristo​pher38> phone call
L177[11:51:23] <T-D​ark> sure, thanks a lot!
L178[12:11:01] <Kristo​pher38> @T-Dark so the flow looks like this: you register the callback with `event.listen`, then you run your code, and you must yield to the operating system for your callbacks to be processed
L179[12:11:10] <Kristo​pher38> here, I made a little flowchart http://tinyurl.com/y6n3668k
L180[12:12:17] <Kristo​pher38> you can yield to the os by calling `event.pull` or `os.sleep` (which internally calls `event.pull`)
L181[12:12:49] <Kristo​pher38> oh and you need to specify some small timeout I think but I might be wrong on that
L182[12:13:33] <Forec​aster> calling `os.sleep(0)` does yield
L183[12:16:05] <Kristo​pher38> it does but what I'm not sure about is, does it process unprocessed events?
L184[12:16:23] <Kristo​pher38> I mean, when the timeout is 0
L185[12:16:41] <Kristo​pher38> @T-Dark so the flow looks like this: you register the callback with `event.listen`, then you run your code, and you *must* yield to the operating system for your callbacks to be called [Edited]
L186[12:16:45] <Forec​aster> I believe it does
L187[12:16:55] <Snai​lDOS> Who knows NGINX?
L188[12:16:56] <Forec​aster> but if there are none in the queue it immidiately continues
L189[12:17:26] <Forec​aster> @SnailDOS what about it?
L190[12:17:53] <Snai​lDOS> I have 2 domains DNS forwarded to one IP.
L191[12:18:10] <Snai​lDOS> I need a reverse proxy to split them up, Domain 1 /var/www1 domain 2 /var/www2
L192[12:18:18] <Snai​lDOS> I also need examples for subdomains
L193[12:18:31] <Snai​lDOS> I had everything running Apache but I hated it, I want to move on.
L194[12:18:33] <Izaya> you want to look into virtual servers, basically
L195[12:18:49] <Izaya> "nginx virtual server" or similar
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L197[12:18:53] <Snai​lDOS> Is it hard-
L198[12:19:44] <T-D​ark> @Kristopher38
L199[12:19:44] <T-D​ark> Huh, that's interesting. Are you sure there's no other way at all to yield? Because I basically never use `event.pull`, but events work anyway.
L200[12:19:45] <T-D​ark> As a sidenote, does this mean that if I register a callback that just loops forever I can delay timers until opencomputers decides to crash my program with `too long without yielding`?
L201[12:21:04] <fingercomp> you can yield by calling an indirect component method, but you won't get events this way and event handlers won't be run
L202[12:21:17] <Snai​lDOS> Wait, Izaya I dont have nginx installed
L203[12:21:20] <Snai​lDOS> What do I install
L204[12:21:22] <fingercomp> other than that, it's usually `os.sleep`, `event.pull` or `component.pullSignal` on OpenOS
L205[12:21:35] <Snai​lDOS> nginx webserver, nginx reverse proxy, or both or what?
L206[12:21:41] <Snai​lDOS> or do I install nginx and it installs everything.
L207[12:21:49] <Kristo​pher38> fingercomp: this is a different kind of yielding, let's not confuse him further
L208[12:21:59] <Kristo​pher38> also `computer.pullSignal`*
L209[12:22:02] <Kristo​pher38> forgot about that one
L210[12:22:05] <Izaya> sudo apt-get install nginx
L211[12:22:17] <Snai​lDOS> And what about php support?
L212[12:22:20] <Snai​lDOS> Does that come with it?
L213[12:22:26] <Izaya> depends on distro
L214[12:22:42] <Snai​lDOS> thank you very much
L215[12:22:46] <Izaya> usually involves another package though
L216[12:22:47] <Snai​lDOS> i appreciate that.
L217[12:22:51] <Snai​lDOS> tysm
L218[12:24:10] <Kristo​pher38> @T-Dark If you show me your code I could maybe assess where the yielding happens
L219[12:25:24] <Kristo​pher38> and yes, if you register a callback that loops forever you'll get `too long without yielding` just like you'd get running an infinite loop outside of a callback
L220[12:28:56] <T-D​ark> https://pastebin.com/2jcXFQgn - Code (library)
L221[12:28:56] <T-D​ark> https://pastebin.com/YJupuh0Y - code that calls it
L222[12:30:14] <T-D​ark> (gotta go, I'll be back in... probably a few hours. If you could PM me your answer, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, just ping me, and I'll read it when I'm back)
L223[12:44:38] <dequbed> Izaya: Would Apache no be easier to setup?
L224[12:45:17] <Izaya> I don't understand the question, but the point was to not use apache
L225[12:45:22] <Forec​aster> `SnailDOS: I had everything running Apache but I hated it, I want to move on.`
L226[12:45:33] <dequbed> Ah, missed that sorry
L227[12:58:41] <Snai​lDOS> I dont want to use apache.
L228[12:58:44] <Snai​lDOS> Not updated much
L229[12:58:48] <Snai​lDOS> Also, Which RAID is the one that all drives are used together to get the most storage and if one dies they all die?
L230[12:58:48] <Snai​lDOS> I need to get the most storage out here.
L231[12:59:49] <dequbed> @SnailDOS RAID0 and you don't need RAID.
L232[13:00:20] <Snai​lDOS> RAID 0
L233[13:00:22] <Snai​lDOS> I just remebered.
L234[13:00:27] <Snai​lDOS> Well yes but actually no.
L235[13:00:30] <Snai​lDOS> I have a server.
L236[13:00:32] <Snai​lDOS> another one now
L237[13:00:33] <Snai​lDOS> yay
L238[13:00:43] <dequbed> So why do you need RAID then?
L239[13:00:46] <Snai​lDOS> ~~ Well I already have 3 but anyway ~~
L240[13:00:57] <Snai​lDOS> Because... How do you use it without raid...
L241[13:01:01] <Snai​lDOS> You need raid for a server..
L242[13:01:07] <Snai​lDOS> I have a built in raid controller.
L243[13:01:12] <Snai​lDOS> I want to link all 6 drives togeather.
L244[13:01:13] <dequbed> You don't need RAID for a server.
L245[13:01:17] <Snai​lDOS> So, I'll use raid.
L246[13:01:28] <Snai​lDOS> You dont NEED it, but You need it when you have like 6 drives.
L247[13:01:39] <dequbed> No, you don't need RAID even if you have 6 drives.
L248[13:01:51] <Snai​lDOS> I like raid-
L249[13:02:12] <dequbed> You can use RAID if you have 6 drives and want a continous file system but you should check first if the cost outweight the benefit.
L250[13:02:35] <Snai​lDOS> I know- But I have been using raid since I got my first server.
L251[13:02:37] <Snai​lDOS> I love raid
L252[13:02:41] <dequbed> @SnailDOS that's okay. "I like to do it" is a *much* better reason than "You NEED it but I don't know WHY".
L253[13:02:55] <Snai​lDOS> I want a continues file system too.
L254[13:03:02] <Snai​lDOS> Alright then.
L255[13:05:46] <Inari> Forecaster: rude
L256[13:06:04] <Inari> Amanda: not sure why you put soul in parenthesis
L257[13:09:06] <Snai​lDOS> Holy shit! I bought this server expecting 1TB and it turns out I have 3.5TB !
L258[13:09:12] <Snai​lDOS> Free storage :GWseremePeepoGGERS:
L259[13:17:48] <Forec​aster> I have 6 drives in my media server, no raid
L260[13:18:01] <Snai​lDOS> Alright alright. I just prefer raid.
L261[13:18:56] <Forec​aster> rather I have the drives mirrored so if one fails my date will be safe
L262[13:19:08] <dequbed> @Forecaster who are you dating? :p
L263[13:19:22] <Snai​lDOS> Is it rare for a drive to fail.
L264[13:19:26] <Forec​aster> what?
L265[13:19:29] <Snai​lDOS> I'm getting concerned now.
L266[13:19:37] <dequbed> @Forecaster "my date will be safe"
L267[13:19:44] <Forec​aster> you say that, I've had drives fail
L268[13:19:47] <Forec​aster> data*
L269[13:19:54] <dequbed> Props to you for caring for your partner though @Forecaster ;)
L270[13:19:54] <Snai​lDOS> I only just started initialising the drives.
L271[13:19:58] <Snai​lDOS> I can change it.
L272[13:20:06] <Forec​aster> I don't have a partner
L273[13:20:18] <Forec​aster> from what I've seen raid cause a lot of issues :P
L274[13:20:21] <dequbed> @SnailDOS Depends on your definition of rare. It happens but not often enough that you need to care.
L275[13:20:30] <Snai​lDOS> ONO
L276[13:20:37] <dequbed> @Forecaster lemme tease you for your spelling mistakes ;)
L277[13:20:39] <Snai​lDOS> Alright well what raid do you recommend then.
L278[13:20:48] <Snai​lDOS> Since it has 3.5tb
L279[13:20:50] <dequbed> @SnailDOS depends on your workload.
L280[13:20:57] <Snai​lDOS> It's just a website server.
L281[13:21:01] <Snai​lDOS> For nginx.
L282[13:21:12] <dequbed> The amount of storage is completely unrelated to RAID. I have about 65TB in unraided storage.
L283[13:21:12] <Snai​lDOS> Many sites will run there.
L284[13:21:22] <Snai​lDOS> Holy shit what NANI?
L285[13:21:43] <Snai​lDOS> No I'm just stating the face that I have 3.5 I'm happy to even mirror the drives.
L286[13:21:50] <Snai​lDOS> That's alot of storage though lmao
L287[13:21:51] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L288[13:22:01] <Snai​lDOS> Shut up >:(
L289[13:22:03] <dequbed> No RAID. That is a kind of workload that doesn't benefit from RAID - other than not having to care because storage just kinda exists as one block device. In which case I'd use RAID 10 because sure why not.
L290[13:22:12] <Forec​aster> I have a mirrored 4TB drive for my tv shows in my server
L291[13:22:39] <Snai​lDOS> Well....
L292[13:22:44] <Snai​lDOS> Imma do.. Raid 1
L293[13:22:47] <Snai​lDOS> Is that good.
L294[13:22:47] <Forec​aster> in theory if one of the drives fail I can just replace it, assign the new drive to the mirror group and it will be re-synced
L295[13:22:56] <Snai​lDOS> 6 discs.
L296[13:23:04] <dequbed> With 6 drives RAID 1 is kind of the worst of all worlds.
L297[13:23:12] <Forec​aster> I dunno, I've never used any kind of raid system
L298[13:23:16] <Snai​lDOS> Well what do I do then.
L299[13:23:22] <Snai​lDOS> I need this server up tonight.
L300[13:23:38] <dequbed> Well what do you want to achieve? Then pick the solution that solves that problem the best.
L301[13:23:38] <Forec​aster> just use the drives as they are?
L302[13:24:36] <Snai​lDOS> I want my data to be safe
L303[13:24:40] <dequbed> Define safe.
L304[13:24:41] <Snai​lDOS> and I dont really care about performance
L305[13:24:53] <Snai​lDOS> One drive fails I can recreate.
L306[13:25:09] <dequbed> okay. So make regular backups
L307[13:25:17] <Snai​lDOS> I cant be bothered
L308[13:25:24] <dequbed> Then you data will never be safe.
L309[13:25:27] <Snai​lDOS> I want raid 😠
L310[13:25:29] <Snai​lDOS> lmao
L311[13:26:11] <dequbed> If you want RAID then do RAID. If you're not planning to go with our suggestion but do it your way that is completely fine, it's your hardware and your time, you are free to do whatever.
L312[13:26:35] <dequbed> But don't go like "What should I do but oh also within these completely arbitrary parameters that make no sense now figure it out for me plz"
L313[13:27:39] <Forec​aster> This seems to be a pretty good overview of the different raid systems
L314[13:27:39] <Forec​aster> https://www.prepressure.com/library/technology/raid
L315[13:27:47] <dequbed> If you want a suggestion that *actually* fits your usecase: have a JBOD array. You don't care about anything, especially not data parity because let's not kid ourselves if you can't be bothered to backup you can't be bothered to recreate a RAID array.
L316[13:29:07] <dequbed> Gives you one large storage the approximate size of all disks added together so you can just go mkfs.{your choice} /dev/jbod and have a single fs that just works.
L317[13:30:51] <Snai​lDOS> ok im doing raid 10
L318[13:30:56] <Snai​lDOS> Ya?
L319[13:31:17] <dequbed> Stop asking us for permission to fuck up your system.
L320[13:31:38] <Snai​lDOS> HOW WILL IT FUCK UP MY SYSTEM
L321[13:31:58] <dequbed> That's not the point, the point was the asking permission part.
L322[13:33:04] <Forec​aster> do note the headline that says `RAID is no substitute for back-ups!` :P
L323[13:33:43] <dequbed> @SnailDOS With todays software the worst that you can possibly do is lose all you data, ruin the OS and have to set it up again. Do a cost-benefit analysis, don't do it, your choice. If you want sensible answers, ask sensible questions. Again.
L324[13:34:36] <Snai​lDOS> Well do you think raid 10 is good
L325[13:34:58] <dequbed> You have asked that question before. I have given you the answer before. I'll do it again: It depends on your usecase.
L326[13:35:02] <Amanda> Inari: because it's a paraphrasing, the show is from used the word source
L327[13:36:22] <dequbed> RAID 10 in theory is a decent technology. The implementation by LVM is also very stable and can be relied on. That's about as much information that I can give your for the super vague question "Is RAID10 good?"
L328[13:37:11] <Forec​aster> my media server's mirroring just uses Windows partition manager
L329[13:37:39] <Forec​aster> no clue if that counts as raid or not
L330[13:39:04] <dequbed> @SnailDOS so in reality the question becomes this: Are you willing to follow an advice I or Forecaster or somebody else here will give you regardless of your biases? In that case both of us have a suggestion for you. If you do not then please stop trying to justify your biases and pre-made choices using our knowledge. That just stinks.
L331[13:39:34] <Forec​aster> Encase your drives in resin and they will never break, guaranteed
L332[13:41:41] <dequbed> Can't break if they can't spin
L333[13:42:11] <Forec​aster> and also you can't plug anything into them, it's perfect
L334[13:42:26] <Lizzy> that's why you plug it in before you put it in resin
L335[13:42:33] <dequbed> And no oxygen to rust/oxydize contacts
L336[13:42:43] <dequbed> Lizzy: No that would completely remove one benefit!
L337[13:43:04] <dequbed> As soon as you plug it in somebody can hack it. Everything connected can be hacked after all!
L338[13:43:40] <Forec​aster> I'm connected to my computer via this controller I'm holding, does that mean I can be hacked?
L339[13:43:58] <dequbed> YES! Drop that controller immediately Forecaster and do a virus check!
L340[13:44:19] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/y6otocnz
L341[13:44:30] <Forec​aster> Found this huge ice ring, not a single hotspot...
L342[13:44:32] <Forec​aster> >:
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L344[13:48:41] <openpoor> hi
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L346[13:48:54] <Forec​aster> %bye
L347[13:48:54] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Oh, well, bye I guess...
L348[13:56:07] <Amanda> Inari: this is from the same show that I quoted earlier: "Did you really think stopping time would prevent me from moving?"
L349[13:56:39] <Amanda> s/this/it's/
L350[13:56:39] <MichiBot> <Amanda> Inari: it's is from the same show that I quoted earlier: "Did you really think stopping time would prevent me from moving?"
L351[13:56:53] <Izaya> remember
L352[13:56:56] <Izaya> RAID is not a backup
L353[13:57:00] <Izaya> RAID kills bugs
L354[13:59:59] <Amanda> RAID Assasinates Important Data
L355[14:00:11] <Amanda> ( If you're Michiyo )
L356[14:00:37] <dequbed> RAID Accidentallies Important Data - it's seldom malics
L357[14:01:02] <Kristo​pher38> @T-Dark the reason for your callbacks working is quite simple - after you register them your program exits, but the timers you registered persist. The shell that you exit to after your program finishes calls event.pull and your callbacks get processed
L358[14:04:26] <Amanda> oops, I left Factorio open overnight
L359[14:04:40] <Amanda> At least it was paused...
L360[14:18:52] <Snai​lDOS> ok im conclusion I use raid 6
L361[14:18:58] <Snai​lDOS> ok im conclusion I use raid 5 [Edited]
L362[14:19:13] <Izaya> 4... 3... 2... 1... done!
L363[14:20:25] <Snai​lDOS> wait
L364[14:20:28] <Snai​lDOS> so I created it.
L365[14:20:35] <Snai​lDOS> in dell raid config
L366[14:20:39] <Snai​lDOS> I just did initlization
L367[14:20:43] <Snai​lDOS> does it just work now?
L368[14:20:45] <Izaya> > hardware raid
L369[14:20:47] <Izaya> icky
L370[14:21:06] <Vexatos> this is a raid, hand over your hardware
L371[14:22:54] <dequbed> You are in front of the hardware and console yet ask us if it worked. That is not exactly promising, you know?
L372[14:23:25] <Snai​lDOS> nvm
L373[14:23:37] <dequbed> In other words have you tried reading the instructions? They generally come with a section where they tell you to check the status/health of the array.
L374[14:24:04] <Izaya> I really need to swap out that failed drive...
L375[14:24:10] <Izaya> And put in that memory...
L376[14:24:39] <Forec​aster> %choose it worked, it didn't work, it's on fire! Panic!
L377[14:24:39] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: I want a divorce. I'm taking half the "it worked".
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L379[14:58:59] <Brisingr​Aerowing> https://reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/j0nyy5/me_having_fun_in_the_nether/
L380[14:59:03] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Sound on
L381[14:59:17] <Izaya> jhc Dictor Who has a lot of special episodes
L382[15:03:03] <Forec​aster> it's just a remix of "Never gonna give you up"
L383[15:03:25] <Amanda> %remindme 2h check on Dad's laptop's updates
L384[15:03:25] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "check on Dad's laptop's updates" at 09/27/2020 04:03:25 PM
L385[15:04:10] <Amanda> Izaya: at leastone a year since 200...5?
L386[15:04:41] <Izaya> try 10.5 a year since 2005
L387[15:05:06] <Izaya> https://www.thetvdb.com/series/doctor-who-2005/seasons/official/0
L388[15:05:16] <Izaya> admittedly not all of these are actual episodes of the show
L389[15:05:19] <Izaya> but fuckin hell
L390[15:06:07] <Amanda> Izaya: yeah, looks like a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that maybe was available on the BBC app
L391[15:06:28] <Amanda> like the 3-5m companion shows Animes sometimes do
L392[15:08:03] <Izaya> I'm cleaning out my torrents folder so I had to move them into the right spot
L393[15:08:12] <Izaya> normally with special episodes you look at the like
L394[15:08:14] <Izaya> 4
L395[15:08:25] <Izaya> and you figure "yeah these are numbered as specials I'll just apply regex"
L396[15:09:59] <Lizzy> urghh windows why are you shit at formatting paritions on anything other than a standard hard drive / ssd?
L397[15:10:21] <Lizzy> meh, will deal with that later
L398[15:10:33] <Forec​aster> you can't format people Lizzy
L399[15:11:12] * Lizzy formats @Forecaster
L400[15:11:14] <Izaya> you can laminate them though
L401[15:11:16] <Lizzy> Just you watch me!
L402[15:13:58] <Lizzy> meanwhile, i've been messing around in blender https://files.lizzian.uk/zion/200927_5cc5bf9ce98.png
L403[15:14:31] <Forec​aster> what is that
L404[15:14:50] <Forec​aster> it looks like a cart
L405[15:15:36] <Lizzy> https://files.lizzian.uk/zion/200927_6f3f5ce8ee2.png extruded it a bit, should give a clearer picture
L406[15:15:51] <Forec​aster> ah
L407[15:16:05] <Forec​aster> I didn't see the lines on the sides
L408[15:27:17] <Snai​lDOS> I love that
L409[15:27:19] <Snai​lDOS> Looks awsome
L410[15:34:03] <Izaya> nothing quite as satisfying as an organised media library
L411[15:35:21] <Forec​aster> I need a drawing prompt
L412[15:35:47] <Amanda> The Extensial dread we all feel daily while doomscrolling
L413[15:35:58] <Lizzy> Amanda, stop stealing my thoughts
L414[15:36:31] * Amanda looks down at the thought bubble, looks over to Lizzy
L415[15:36:48] <Forec​aster> that's just "Scream" by Picasso
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L417[15:41:17] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/y6rhpapq
L418[15:41:39] <Forec​aster> I don't like this brush
L419[15:43:49] <Forec​aster> Amanda there you go
L420[15:43:59] <Amanda> HAHAHA
L421[15:44:02] <Amanda> Bah
L422[15:44:05] <Forec​aster> and Lizzy I guess
L423[15:44:43] <Amanda> still getting used to having a capslock key again, instead of three controls
L424[15:49:00] <dequbed> Amanda, Ariri: Girls, we're getting hot tubs in this colony. And making it a bunker painted red with the blood of our enemies. But that's besides the point. HOT TUBS!
L425[15:49:24] <Forec​aster> hot tubs filled with blood?
L426[15:49:41] <dequbed> Ew no Hot tubs filled with clean filtered ground water.
L427[15:49:49] <dequbed> The blood goes on the neoconcrete outside walls.
L428[15:50:34] <Snai​lDOS> h o t t u b s
L429[15:51:11] <Snai​lDOS> You know it took 3 hours to set up raid?
L430[15:51:19] <dequbed> We do now.
L431[15:51:29] <Snai​lDOS> To init drives?
L432[15:51:33] <Snai​lDOS> I regret using it
L433[15:51:34] <Forec​aster> I reject the knowledge
L434[15:51:35] <Snai​lDOS> 🤦‍♂️
L435[15:51:36] <Forec​aster> I know nothing
L436[15:51:42] <Snai​lDOS> anyway time to setup nginx
L437[15:51:54] <Snai​lDOS> I like that name... nginx..
L438[15:52:37] <Snai​lDOS> installing
L439[15:52:39] <Forec​aster> in case you know know it's pronounced "Engine Ex"
L440[15:52:47] <Snai​lDOS> oh
L441[15:52:48] <Snai​lDOS> nvm
L442[15:52:54] <Forec​aster> don't know*
L443[15:53:02] <Snai​lDOS> lmao
L444[15:53:16] <Snai​lDOS> nn ginx I thought it was
L445[15:53:20] <Snai​lDOS> -=-
L446[15:53:28] <Izaya> n-jinks
L447[15:53:29] <Snai​lDOS> very high quality grammar.
L448[15:53:36] <Snai​lDOS> I thought it was nn ginx
L449[15:53:41] <Snai​lDOS> installed
L450[15:53:44] <Snai​lDOS> long live ubuntu
L451[15:54:00] <Snai​lDOS> time to follow digital dreams guide now
L452[15:54:08] <Forec​aster> I don't know where you get that extra n from
L453[15:54:23] <Snai​lDOS> dont ask
L454[15:54:59] <Izaya> ah yes, all of my favourite tracks https://imgur.com/of9PGQu.png
L455[15:55:08] <Snai​lDOS> lmao
L456[15:56:00] <Snai​lDOS> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/inequhufor
L457[15:56:08] <Snai​lDOS> NANI?! How do I do subdomains
L458[15:56:11] <Snai​lDOS> google time
L459[15:56:16] <Snai​lDOS> wait what
L460[15:56:18] <Snai​lDOS> WHAT
L461[15:56:21] <Snai​lDOS> wrong config lmao sorry
L462[15:57:24] <Forec​aster> I need to add some kinda prompt generator to MichiBot it seems
L463[15:57:36] <Amanda> %newtopic
L464[15:57:37] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: #2 Hey did you hear that AUTOMATIC_MAIDEN reminds you that MineChem is incorrect
L465[15:58:07] <dequbed> What, no! MineChem is perfectly precise!
L466[15:59:05] <Kristo​pher38> You people seem to be fond of vtubers https://twitter.com/LewdGamer/status/1310188071984521216
L467[15:59:05] <MichiBot> Sun Sep 27 12:02:33 UTC 2020 @LewdGamer: Hololive VIrtual YouTuber managing company Cover suspends Kiryu Coco and Akai Haato for 3 weeks for mentioning Taiw… <https://t.co/0v9eVLKINY&gt;
L468[16:00:03] <dequbed> Isn't Covercorp Japanese?
L469[16:00:11] <Snai​lDOS> thonk
L470[16:01:09] <Kristo​pher38> What difference does it make if it operates in China?
L471[16:02:22] <dequbed> That the Japanese are much more willing to piss of the Chinese at high costs than the Chinese are willing to go to jail.
L472[16:02:29] <Snai​lDOS> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/megafozuci
L473[16:02:33] <Snai​lDOS> wtf?
L474[16:02:57] <Snai​lDOS> wrong fs
L475[16:02:58] <dequbed> @SnailDOS what did you expect to happen?
L476[16:02:59] <Snai​lDOS> no please dont be corrupt
L477[16:02:59] <Snai​lDOS> ono
L478[16:03:11] <Snai​lDOS> uhm maybe to mount..
L479[16:03:13] <dequbed> Do a brain think real quick.
L480[16:03:20] <dequbed> What exactly did you just tell the puter?
L481[16:03:24] <dequbed> And why did it not work.
L482[16:03:38] <dequbed> Because you see, garbage in, garbage out.
L483[16:03:39] <Snai​lDOS> well number one
L484[16:03:52] <Snai​lDOS> i think its because I didnt mount it
L485[16:03:55] <Snai​lDOS> and number two
L486[16:03:59] <Snai​lDOS> what the fuck did I just select?
L487[16:04:05] <Snai​lDOS> I meant sdb2
L488[16:04:17] <simon816> bingo
L489[16:04:21] <Snai​lDOS> ah there we go
L490[16:04:26] <Snai​lDOS> i am so smart
L491[16:04:29] <Snai​lDOS> as you can see
L492[16:04:36] <Lizzy> (x) to doubt
L493[16:04:45] <Snai​lDOS> kms
L494[16:04:52] <Snai​lDOS> the backup wasnt in a file
L495[16:04:55] <Snai​lDOS> its all scattered
L496[16:04:59] <Snai​lDOS> i hate my life smh
L497[16:05:13] <Izaya> imagine being the director of an anime and knowing you'll never top Eureka Seven music-wise
L498[16:05:34] <dequbed> @SnailDOS going half the speed, measuring twice and thinking before you issue any command / do any cut will make you lose much less data, material, fingers and shed less tears.
L499[16:05:56] <Snai​lDOS> lmao
L500[16:06:00] <Snai​lDOS> I selected raid 5
L501[16:06:03] <Snai​lDOS> and uhm
L502[16:06:06] <Snai​lDOS> the server-
L503[16:06:07] <Snai​lDOS> is making this wiered
L504[16:06:08] <Izaya> Measure twice, cut once, fill gaps.
L505[16:06:13] <Snai​lDOS> woooa... wooaaa... sound
L506[16:06:23] <Snai​lDOS> like a spinning weird idek
L507[16:06:27] <Snai​lDOS> its really annoying
L508[16:06:28] <dequbed> Izaya: Measure twice, cut once and if you messed up get out the welder.
L509[16:06:40] <Lizzy> hard drives usually spin, yes
L510[16:06:44] <dequbed> ^
L511[16:06:48] <Snai​lDOS> nonono
L512[16:06:52] <Snai​lDOS> oh od
L513[16:06:56] <Snai​lDOS> idek how to explain it
L514[16:07:02] <Snai​lDOS> its like a buzzing noise
L515[16:07:13] <Forec​aster> this is what MichiBot said right http://tinyurl.com/y5y2frqs
L516[16:07:16] <dequbed> Servers also tend to have fans, yes.
L517[16:07:16] <Lizzy> sounds like a you problem
L518[16:07:17] <Snai​lDOS> its sas...
L519[16:07:21] <Snai​lDOS> but my others dont-
L520[16:07:31] <Kristo​pher38> I believe they've got a branch in China, and China being itself is probably too big of a market to lose
L521[16:07:34] <Snai​lDOS> stop it, I have 3 other servers and they dont make that sound
L522[16:07:36] <Izaya> SnailDOS' server be like https://redd.it/iz1yq2
L523[16:07:38] <Izaya> cc Ariri
L524[16:07:43] <Snai​lDOS> I closed the case and its shut up now.
L525[16:07:57] <Forec​aster> @Amanda
L526[16:08:33] <dequbed> @SnailDOS well should the disks do a rapid unplanned disassembly I advice not standing in the rotation plane, glass going a few hundred kph does some damage ;p
L527[16:09:24] <Snai​lDOS> alright then-
L528[16:09:38] <Snai​lDOS> My servers are defiantly not in a office.
L529[16:09:44] <Snai​lDOS> where I am there most of the time
L530[16:09:49] <Snai​lDOS> stares at cabinet ono
L531[16:10:14] <Snai​lDOS> # You should look at the following URL's in order to grasp a solid understanding
L532[16:10:15] <Snai​lDOS> # of Nginx configuration files in order to fully unleash the power of Nginx.
L533[16:10:16] <Snai​lDOS> ah yes
L534[16:10:20] <Snai​lDOS> a true developer
L535[16:10:26] <Snai​lDOS> but no thanks.
L536[16:10:50] <Izaya> note to self: provide no help to SnailDOS till he reads the documentation like the configuration file suggested
L537[16:11:18] <dequbed> note to self: Get enough popcorn for all of #oc so we can enjoy that fallout better
L538[16:11:39] * Izaya slides dequbed a rum and ginger beer
L539[16:11:44] <Lizzy> dequbed, i prefer ice cream and cookies myself
L540[16:11:51] <dequbed> AP-I or AP-HE against raiders? I think AP-HE scares the others off better...
L541[16:11:55] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> prepares some cola and chocolate
L542[16:11:59] <Snai​lDOS> BRO ITS SO LOUD
L543[16:12:01] * dequbed writes down all the channels wishes on a shopping list
L544[16:12:05] <Snai​lDOS> THE STUPID SERVER
L545[16:12:08] <Snai​lDOS> its like SPINNING
L546[16:12:10] <dequbed> BRB guys getting snacks!
L547[16:12:14] <Snai​lDOS> I dont even know how to explain it
L548[16:12:22] <Izaya> hold up I gotchu
L549[16:12:23] <Snai​lDOS> I NEVER heard this sound before
L550[16:12:32] <Lizzy> hmm, that sounds like a _you_ problem
L551[16:12:42] <dequbed> Well I mean you have only set up .. how many servers? Not like you know all of the sounds by now, do you?
L552[16:12:45] <Snai​lDOS> imagine a ball on a stick, in a massive cylinder, MASSIVE, and your just standing there and its spins.
L553[16:12:46] <Izaya> https://dailydot.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/images/original/2012/3/11/Leekspin.gif
L554[16:12:49] <Snai​lDOS> That's what it sounds like.
L555[16:13:24] <Snai​lDOS> I never heard this sound-
L556[16:13:27] <dequbed> Hm you ARE right.
L557[16:13:32] <Snai​lDOS> Defective hard disk?
L558[16:13:36] <Snai​lDOS> Sounds interesting.
L559[16:13:38] <dequbed> That does sound ... like a _you_ problem.
L560[16:13:58] <dequbed> Have you tried calling Dell support? I'm sure they'll get a kick out of this :D
L561[16:14:01] * Lizzy high-fives dequbed
L562[16:14:33] * dequbed slides Lizzy ice cream and cookies, continues to sip Izaya's rum
L563[16:14:37] <Snai​lDOS> Humming sound actually.
L564[16:14:39] <Snai​lDOS> no
L565[16:14:45] * Lizzy noms
L566[16:14:51] <Snai​lDOS> Its Toshiba discs
L567[16:15:18] <Snai​lDOS> I have very bad memory with toshiba...
L568[16:15:27] <Snai​lDOS> Flashbacks to a exploding drive
L569[16:15:37] <Izaya> I finished Re:Zero and Ascendance of a Bookworm, which I'd been putting off, tonight.
L570[16:15:51] <Izaya> Maybe I should read before sleeping today.
L571[16:16:27] <dequbed> Izaya: Maybe you should *write* before sleeping today
L572[16:17:08] <Izaya> I would but screens are blue light and my handwriting is worse than useless
L573[16:17:21] <dequbed> have you tried a) redshift
L574[16:17:22] <Izaya> and also I need to have enough ideas solidified
L575[16:17:52] <Snai​lDOS> nginx: configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf test is successful
L576[16:17:54] <Snai​lDOS> EYYYYY
L577[16:20:12] <Snai​lDOS> oh no
L578[16:20:15] <Snai​lDOS> OH NO
L579[16:20:20] <Snai​lDOS> it doesn't work
L580[16:20:21] <Snai​lDOS> oNO
L581[16:20:51] <dequbed> Have you tried turning it on and off again?
L582[16:21:53] <Snai​lDOS> no
L583[16:21:57] <Snai​lDOS> i restarted the service
L584[16:21:57] <Snai​lDOS> so
L585[16:21:59] <Snai​lDOS> close enough
L586[16:31:40] <Snai​lDOS> got it
L587[16:31:43] <Snai​lDOS> just typed URL wrong.
L588[16:34:53] <S3> izaya: I've seen that gif before..
L589[16:35:00] <S3> I wonder where
L590[16:35:24] <Forec​aster> it's really old... it's from Bleach
L591[16:36:19] <Snai​lDOS> Dude-
L592[16:36:25] <Snai​lDOS> Php isnt intalling in nginx
L593[16:36:26] <Snai​lDOS> yay
L594[16:39:13] <Snai​lDOS> 🤨
L595[16:43:26] <Amanda> Delicious oil processing spaghetti! https://nc.ddna.co/s/Jqsgn93esSirtXw
L596[16:47:22] <dequbed> In a shocking turn off events that surprised nobody the pretty socialite that just wants to make everybody happy won the election as major that only she ran for with all votes but one (her own, she voted for her husband)
L597[16:54:47] <Snai​lDOS> BAD GATEWAY
L598[16:54:48] <Snai​lDOS> using php
L599[16:54:49] <Snai​lDOS> nice
L600[16:57:08] <dequbed> Thugs took an entirety of 37 silver Schutzgeld from me. I can live with that.
L601[17:03:25] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check on Dad's laptop's updates
L602[17:03:42] <Forec​aster> dequbed are you a catgirl?
L603[17:05:51] <Amanda> %remindme 30m check again
L604[17:05:51] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "check again" at 09/27/2020 04:35:51 PM
L605[17:06:11] <dequbed> @Forecaster potentially. Who's asking?
L606[17:06:27] <Forec​aster> uh, me?
L607[17:06:31] <Forec​aster> who else would it be
L608[17:06:50] <dequbed> I mean if you prefer to think of me as a catgirl do so
L609[17:07:06] <Ko​dos> Woo I'm on my PC for the first time in over a year
L610[17:07:12] <Ko​dos> No more phonecord
L611[17:07:24] <Forec​aster> works for me I guess
L612[17:07:38] <dequbed> Why are you asking?
L613[17:07:54] <Forec​aster> I'm drawing
L614[17:08:21] <Amanda> speaking of, where did that comic you drew of my oopsie into the planet get put, dequbed?
L615[17:08:27] <Michiyo> Welcome back to the PC Master Race @Kodos :P
L616[17:08:31] <dequbed> Ah okay. Well yes you can draw me as catgirl if you want
L617[17:08:40] <dequbed> Amanda: Into my drafts folder <.<
L618[17:08:54] <Amanda> haha
L619[17:08:57] <dequbed> Haven't had time/energy to refine it yet. Should but I'm playing rimworld
L620[17:09:22] <Amanda> hehe
L621[17:09:25] <Amanda> fair enough. :3
L622[17:09:34] <dequbed> I'll get to it, I promise!
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L624[17:21:39] <Forec​aster> Lizzy, dequbed http://tinyurl.com/y3c6qyj5
L625[17:22:46] <dequbed> @Forecaster Aww, that's cute :)
L626[17:23:12] <Amanda> I read the box as "ctrl-c", was confused
L627[17:23:12] <dequbed> Thank you
L628[17:24:53] <Forec​aster> it's really a doodle, not a drawing, I didn't construct anything and used a weird random brush
L629[17:25:54] <Forec​aster> but I've drawn worse things while using construction and references...
L630[17:35:51] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check again
L631[17:38:19] <!0§A.​pjals™> oh no http://tinyurl.com/y2832kra
L632[17:38:38] <Michiyo> %ohno
L633[17:38:38] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo: ohno
L634[17:46:30] <Ar​iri> kawaii desu
L635[17:47:16] <Ar​iri> gives scrithes to the Dequbed catgirl
L636[17:47:38] <Izaya> you're playing with fire
L637[17:48:08] * dequbed purrs
L638[17:49:37] <Forec​aster> I didn't time this session (I wish I had), instead I generously gave myself 10 points for it, but now I'm on -0.5 points...
L639[17:49:39] <Forec​aster> :|
L640[17:50:10] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L641[17:50:10] <MichiBot> Wah! Forec​aster! You beat Ar​iri's previous record of 9 hours, 2 minutes and 16 seconds (By 14 minutes and 34 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L642[17:50:11] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points! plus 0.008 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.55392584. Position #1
L643[17:58:38] <Ariri> Figures that whenever I want to save fuel, do the math, and carefully make sure Ill be alright, SE decides to suck up ALL of my uranium into phantom power and send me 6000km of course
L644[17:58:39] <Ariri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/cPS3oayKqYCMnen/preview
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L646[18:01:26] * Izaya smugs in renewables
L647[18:01:39] <Forec​aster> renewable smugs
L648[18:03:03] <Ariri> I had 50kg of Ur. It said 2 days of power, with them running at low and having the solars at full; explain
L649[18:03:24] <Kristo​pher38> Uranium go brrrrr
L650[18:03:29] <Ariri> Now Im just adrift at 170m/s, ffs
L651[18:04:00] <Izaya> My Little Laser: Phasers Are Magic
L652[18:04:17] <Ariri> I turned them off.
L653[18:06:16] <Ariri> Im going to need an actual miracle to get out of this
L654[18:09:38] <Izaya> Ah, early 2000s sci-fi,
L655[18:10:09] <Izaya> That's a motorcycle jacket not a pilot suit
L656[18:11:26] <Forec​aster> close enough
L657[18:17:58] <Ariri> Oh my friends are dead from the loss of oxygen
L658[18:20:44] <Forec​aster> ohno
L659[18:21:25] <Ariri> They abandoned me, smh
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L661[18:53:59] <S3> this heavy armor tank
L662[18:54:09] <S3> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/479Ymifj/image.png
L663[18:54:19] <S3> should make it easier to steal ice from pirates
L664[18:57:35] <Ariri> Izaya, I cannot turn my ship, no matter how many gyros I override or I spin the mouse
L665[18:57:39] <Ariri> I dont understand why
L666[18:57:59] <Forec​aster> did you glue a compass needle to the hull somewhere?
L667[19:01:43] <Ariri> If I cant turn towards the sun, Im dead, and the pirates are circling
L668[19:01:56] <Ariri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/EB4gk3WXNa2oe3y/preview
L669[19:02:10] <Forec​aster> oh dear
L670[19:05:27] <Ariri> >2000 arc fuel
L671[19:05:35] <Ariri> Guess I know where some of the uranium went...
L672[19:05:58] <Amanda> oops
L673[19:06:22] <Ariri> Assemblers are buggy as hell with it, bc it makes100
L674[19:06:45] <Amanda> yeah,I think the mod is defining the output wrong orsomething
L675[19:07:02] <Amanda> like some metadata disagrees with the logic part
L676[19:07:37] <dequbed> "Queued: Deconstructing Caribou" Yes rimworld, we're going to "deconstruct" that live animal. Whatever makes you happy.
L677[19:08:09] <Amanda> that's some rosy language for slaughter...
L678[19:20:31] <Forec​aster> sigh
L679[19:20:59] <Forec​aster> next month I need to start putting aside some money for a complete system replacement
L680[19:22:20] <Forec​aster> I can barely run anything anymore
L681[19:26:34] <Forec​aster> i7-4790K isn't cutting it
L682[19:28:44] <Ariri> >smugs in renewables >has a less than 4 million kg ship
L683[19:29:12] <Ariri> Ive got 30+ panels and its not enough power to go forward
L684[19:32:25] <Forec​aster> this is such a huge difference :| http://tinyurl.com/y2wm32nk
L685[19:38:04] <Inari> I mean, yeah
L686[19:40:03] <Forec​aster> I essentially have to replace everything
L687[19:42:07] <Forec​aster> kinda sucks cause I recently got a new GPU and RAM, but it'll take me several months to be able to afford this anyway...
L688[19:42:47] <Forec​aster> maybe I'll wait for the next GPU or CPU generation
L689[19:43:15] <Ar​iri> i9 seems kind of overkill unless you’re doing 4k gaming and/or streaming or something tbh
L690[19:43:49] <Ar​iri> I spent less than 700 usd on my whole rig two years ago and can still play gta v at medium high, elite at ultra in 1080 30fps
L691[19:44:06] <Forec​aster> maybe, but it'll also last longer before the next upgrade
L692[19:44:15] <dequbed> I mean its your money, if it pleases you go for it but what are you looking at for workloads. I specced a heavy CAD workstation out a month ago and didn't even go close that processing power
L693[19:44:29] <dequbed> And I mean a "don't upgrade for another 10 years like my current one" workstation
L694[19:44:43] <Ar​iri> I suppose, if you’re going for like, 12 year upgrade cycles and not accounting for changes in libraries and etc
L695[19:45:56] <Forec​aster> Space Engineers run at like 15 fps currently
L696[19:46:20] <Forec​aster> Elite is fine, it's CPU heavy games that cause issues
L697[19:46:29] <dequbed> And you're *sure* SE is CPU-bound?
L698[19:46:52] <dequbed> As in total CPU power not just single thread performance?
L699[19:47:06] <Forec​aster> no
L700[19:47:18] <Ar​iri> I’ve got a 4core smt that maxes at 3.4ghz, and SE doesn’t go anywhere close to maxing on any core
L701[19:47:40] <Ar​iri> my gpu maxes, but I’m playing medium high at 1080 on a 500$ rig so
L702[19:48:09] <Forec​aster> I have all the visual settings as low as they'll go
L703[19:50:22] <Forec​aster> the i7-4790K has 4 cores and 8 threads
L704[19:50:36] <Forec​aster> and 4 Ghz
L705[19:51:12] <dequbed> I mean 4 cores at 4 GHz is quite a lot of processing power :)
L706[19:51:37] <Ar​iri> Maybe it’s just me, but if I were to future proof a rig rn for about 6 years, I wouldn’t spend over 400$ for any single part
L707[19:51:49] <Ar​iri> And I think that’s reasonable
L708[19:52:11] <Ar​iri> Also assuming 1080 at highest, 4K is another story
L709[19:52:31] <Forec​aster> I don't have 4K anything
L710[19:53:03] <dequbed> Ariri I would, the one I'm debating to build is about 2000 total, the GPU was about 800 of that. But I hate replacing computers so I am planning on not for at least 8 years, better 10
L711[19:53:24] <dequbed> s/was/would be/
L712[19:53:25] <MichiBot> <dequbed> Ariri I would, the one I'm debating to build is about 2000 total, the GPU would be about 800 of that. But I hate replacing computers so I am planning on not for at least 8 years, better 10
L713[19:53:43] <Ar​iri> Yeah, GPUs are expensive af rn
L714[19:54:11] <dequbed> Yes especially since I as well want good OpenCL performance ^^'
L715[19:54:18] <Ar​iri> 1500$ for the new rtx costs more than my pc, ps4, and xbox one all combined
L716[19:55:11] <Ar​iri> I think I’ve had my desktop for like 2 years now? I think the only thing I stand to benefit from buying other than a new kit of ram is a dedicated gpu
L717[19:55:44] <Ar​iri> Can still game fairly decently, not really stream at the same time though
L718[19:57:33] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/y3rdoqud
L719[19:57:33] <Forec​aster> just loaded into my world in SE and things are looking like this
L720[19:57:33] <Forec​aster> >100 fps currently
L721[19:57:33] <Forec​aster> but eventually something happens and it drops to 15 fps for some reason
L722[19:57:34] <Ar​iri> That’s your current rig that you want to upgrade from?
L723[19:57:34] <M​GR> The GPU in my current rig is dying 😦
L724[19:57:41] <Forec​aster> I don't know how else I'd get a screencap, so yes :P
L725[19:58:02] <Ar​iri> I’m saying that in disbelief, because that’s far better than mine
L726[19:58:19] <Ar​iri> I literally have an APU, I blame your fps drops on Windows or something
L727[19:58:32] <Ar​iri> “System” was using 15% just now when I was looking
L728[19:58:53] <Forec​aster> it's possible it's a hard drive issue?
L729[19:59:20] <Forec​aster> when I boot up my drive usage is at 100% for like 5-10 minutes before settling down
L730[19:59:21] <Ar​iri> If you have 32gb of ram and your drives are healthy I don’t see how, page filing shouldn’t kick in yet
L731[19:59:35] <Ar​iri> Yeah Windows is just like that^
L732[19:59:35] <dequbed> Ariri: I have an AMD Phenom II Deneb from 2009 and I can still play most games decently well. The biggest issues I have is the 8GB memory limit.
L733[19:59:41] <M​GR> It could be a HDD issue
L734[19:59:50] <Ar​iri> I let it sit for 15 min to get its stuff going on my 5400rpm hdd
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L736[19:59:57] <M​GR> I'd upgrade to an SSD over changing out any other part in the screenshot
L737[19:59:58] <Forec​aster> this is a recent issue
L738[20:00:12] <dequbed> Defragment your drive :p
L739[20:00:16] <Ar​iri> dequbed: wow
L740[20:00:30] <Ar​iri> Defragging should be automatic but can’t hurt to check, yeah
L741[20:00:55] <Forec​aster> but that only happens with the C drive anyway
L742[20:00:57] <Ar​iri> Even before I moved my page file to an SSD, I was able to play SE above 30fps at all times unless klang boom
L743[20:01:01] <Forec​aster> steam runs off of my E drive
L744[20:01:04] <dequbed> Ariri: Have I told you yet that I hate replacing computers? When I say "don't upgrade for 10+ years" I mean "DON'T upgrade for 10+ years"
L745[20:01:38] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/y6b93adk
L746[20:02:07] <Ar​iri> Forecaster: Windows still likes to run libraries and/or dependcies from C sometimes, but the main game files will come from E
L747[20:02:29] <Forec​aster> the C drive is the oldest drive and could probably do with being replaced, maybe with an SSD
L748[20:02:50] <Ar​iri> You can do the smart check or whatever from performance monitor somewhere
L749[20:02:55] <Forec​aster> you can see in the screenshot I posted that the game files were being loaded from E
L750[20:02:59] <Ar​iri> resource monitor
L751[20:03:18] <dequbed> Ariri: But yeah new computer probs around new year definitely after the Tree-festival craze in the western hemisphere. Hopefully the only replacement for a long long while.
L752[20:03:35] <Forec​aster> SE fps is now averaging around 70 fps
L753[20:03:45] <Ar​iri> dequbed: Stick a catgirl sticker on it for good luck
L754[20:04:01] <dequbed> Ariri: Will do. Is Windows 10 good yet?
L755[20:04:20] <dequbed> ... Windows 10 *is* the latest windows, isn't it? <.<
L756[20:04:22] <Ar​iri> dequbed: F*ck no, if you dd Linux don’t even try it
L757[20:04:27] <Ar​iri> It is
L758[20:04:29] <M​GR> It is the latest Windows
L759[20:04:45] <Forec​aster> it's fine, except this latest harddrive usage issue
L760[20:04:49] <Ar​iri> It’s borderline intolerable on older machines
L761[20:04:59] <dequbed> @Ariri don't have that choice I need 3D CAD & CAM that's not a) FreeCAD b) BRL-CAD. And then you *need* winderps
L762[20:05:02] <Amanda> dequbed/Lizzy/Skye: Do I need both sets of signals here, or would just the top one work? (Turn-around loop)
L763[20:05:03] <Ar​iri> I get frustrated with it on my rig
L764[20:05:09] <Amanda> er: https://nc.ddna.co/s/qe7GNi7EgqGR3ft
L765[20:05:14] <Forec​aster> which I still believe is because the drive may be bad
L766[20:05:41] <Ar​iri> dequbed: In that case, read a lot of articles on how to make Windows be your slave and stop all that spywareceap
L767[20:05:45] <Ar​iri> crap*
L768[20:05:57] <dequbed> Ariri: Can you make Windows not hate Linux yet or should I completely sidestep the issue and just get two separate drives for Linux and Windows?
L769[20:06:26] <Amanda> dequbed: but clearly other bootloaders/bootentries are VIRUSES!!!111oneoneone
L770[20:06:33] <Ar​iri> I’ve dual booted windows and linux on multiple occasions, if that’s what you’re trying, but it’d be safer to put them separately
L771[20:06:48] <Ar​iri> “oneoneone” haha
L772[20:07:10] <dequbed> Amanda: I would keep both but I generally never have bidirectional rails
L773[20:07:25] <dequbed> But having only the upper one will keep the single-wide strip free
L774[20:08:13] <Amanda> I thought I took a higher-level screenshot, but it seems I didn't, it's night now, but it's a bit of a mess. I should reallyt move the depot somewhere else
L775[20:08:26] <Ar​iri> I’m going to eat brunch, but considering I’ve got 16gb of ram on a Ryzen 5 2400G (APU) with no overclock, I think your problems lie in your HDD if at all among the hardware, Forecaster
L776[20:08:34] <M​GR> I agree
L777[20:08:39] <Ar​iri> Your rig is an upgrade to me, lol
L778[20:08:55] <Forec​aster> Ryzen? what?
L779[20:09:09] <dequbed> Ariri yeah I want dual-boot. I program in Linux and I'm not keen on learning a new OS there but I definitely need to be able to run Windows. Maybe a VM would suffice though, depends on if I need the GPU from windows I presume?
L780[20:09:23] <Ar​iri> https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-2400g
L781[20:09:29] <Amanda> dequbed: this is the full area. I've been slowly creeping up the depot (left) https://nc.ddna.co/s/MNFXmykxWpXB2GQ
L782[20:09:29] <M​GR> Are you making a joke, or do you not know what Ryzen is?
L783[20:09:56] <Ar​iri> dequbed: Yeah, your VM would be your best bet if you can open the gpu up to its liking
L784[20:10:24] <dequbed> Amanda: Ah okay in that case I'd only use the upper set
L785[20:10:24] <Ar​iri> Especially if you’re going to use it for a few things and not too often, plus snapshots are handy
L786[20:10:45] <dequbed> We got a Kiwi! \o/ (the animal, not the fruit)
L787[20:11:39] <dequbed> Ariri: Duly noted. I'll try VM first and if that doesn't perform figure out how to dualboot proper.
L788[20:11:50] <Forec​aster> oh, I misread, I thought you implied that's what I was using
L789[20:12:24] <bad at​ vijya> how the fuck do i set up a spengies server on linux
L790[20:12:32] <dequbed> You don't.
L791[20:12:33] <Forec​aster> ask Izaya
L792[20:12:40] <Forec​aster> he did it
L793[20:12:40] <dequbed> But ask Izaya he got it to run using WINE
L794[20:12:47] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: how
L795[20:12:59] <dequbed> Izaya is asleep
L796[20:13:12] <bad at​ vijya> goddamnit
L797[20:13:22] <dequbed> %notify Izaya hey yes go tell @"bad at vijya" how2SEonWINE pls
L798[20:13:29] <dequbed> What's the command? ,.,
L799[20:13:35] <Forec​aster> tell
L800[20:13:36] <Ko​dos> %tonkout
L801[20:13:37] <MichiBot> Ko​dos: You gotta tonk before you can tonk out. For this transgression the timer has been reset.
L802[20:13:37] <dequbed> %tell Izaya hey yes go tell @"bad at vijya" how2SEonWINE pls
L803[20:13:38] <MichiBot> deq​ubed: Izaya will be notified of this message when next seen.
L804[20:13:45] <Ko​dos> Right
L805[20:14:32] <Ko​dos> %tonk
L806[20:17:49] <Forec​aster> huh, weird
L807[20:18:28] <Forec​aster> the Performance Monitor diagnostic says the cpu was 100% busy, but the task manager graphs disagrees...
L808[20:23:03] <Ar​iri> @bad at vijya He uses Torch, if that helps at all
L809[20:23:09] <bad at​ vijya> ye
L810[20:23:15] <bad at​ vijya> tbh
L811[20:23:17] <bad at​ vijya> i think i might just
L812[20:23:23] <bad at​ vijya> not do a spengies server
L813[20:23:27] <Ar​iri> I’ll send some screenshots he posted later when I get back to my computer and look at the channel
L814[20:23:34] <bad at​ vijya> maybe gmod or something
L815[20:23:48] <bad at​ vijya> 'cause i can do gmod and mc at the same time pretty easily
L816[20:24:05] <Ar​iri> Gmod is probably easier tbh
L817[20:24:27] <bad at​ vijya> unfortunately, i won't be able to multithread doriftu
L818[20:24:37] <bad at​ vijya> fuckin
L819[20:24:44] <bad at​ vijya> so both are gonna kinda suck
L820[20:24:48] <bad at​ vijya> being on an L5420
L821[20:25:22] <Forec​aster> ah, it happened
L822[20:25:34] <Forec​aster> now SE is running at around 12 fps all of a sudden
L823[20:25:43] <ThePi​Guy24> blame clang
L824[20:25:51] <Forec​aster> though only when I have it focused
L825[20:26:09] <Ar​iri> there’s that too, i think shift f11 or one of the modifiers with f11 brings up stats
L826[20:26:31] <Forec​aster> but my graphs are still fine... http://tinyurl.com/y6pqkx3o
L827[20:26:45] <dequbed> @Forecaster out of curiosity do you have any other HID than mouse/keyboard plugged in?
L828[20:27:06] <Forec​aster> yeah I have an xbox conroller
L829[20:27:15] <dequbed> Mind unplugging that for a moment
L830[20:27:34] <Forec​aster> done
L831[20:28:06] <Ar​iri> Windows does like to pause apps sometimes to load the controller stuff
L832[20:28:17] <dequbed> If that helped blame Keen just not knowing how to program event loops
L833[20:28:18] <Ar​iri> At least for RL and Elite i’ve seen it
L834[20:28:32] <Forec​aster> it didn't
L835[20:28:51] <Forec​aster> still ~10 fps when in focus, >100 when not
L836[20:28:53] <Ar​iri> Maybe just try a general driver update
L837[20:28:58] <Ar​iri> Not from Windows, ofc
L838[20:29:22] <ThePi​Guy24> ~~unplug your monitor for fps boost~~
L839[20:29:31] <Ar​iri> Or if you can get a DKDX binary for windows use that instead of the native DirectX
L840[20:29:57] <Forec​aster> no fps is not a boost
L841[20:30:40] <ThePi​Guy24> no rendering = better fps
L842[20:31:38] <Ar​iri> no computer = lower electricity bill
L843[20:31:46] <Forec​aster> oh, the amd program isn't running...
L844[20:32:01] <Forec​aster> my g-driver is about two months out of date it appears
L845[20:32:01] <Ar​iri> Radeon software is kinda jank for me
L846[20:32:11] <Ar​iri> Do make sure it doesn’t make any overlays
L847[20:32:39] <Forec​aster> no I have all of that turned off
L848[20:33:21] <Forec​aster> it does claim my gpu doesn't meet the minimum requirements for SE
L849[20:33:22] <Ar​iri> Also I close the normal Discord client when I play SE, dunno if that’ll affect you
L850[20:33:32] <Ar​iri> It does that for me too I think
L851[20:33:42] <Ar​iri> 570 is better than what I have iirc so
L852[20:34:59] <Forec​aster> not sure why discord would cause it to randomly cliff wall-drop my fps
L853[20:35:23] <Ar​iri> Bc the Discord client sucks as much as Windows? It hits my CPU harder than SE does at times
L854[20:35:27] <Ar​iri> Very intermittent
L855[20:36:03] <Forec​aster> it's never caused issues for me thankfully, unlike certain other things
L856[20:36:33] <Ar​iri> I’ve yet to hear anything good about it, so I guess you either have great timing in checking tskmgr or you’re lucky
L857[20:36:55] <Forec​aster> probably just lucky
L858[20:37:11] <M​GR> I've never had problems with it either
L859[20:37:12] <Forec​aster> and I always have taskmanager open since the hard drive issue began
L860[20:39:00] <Ar​iri> Considering how much telemetry it sends by default, I’m surprised
L861[20:39:04] <Forec​aster> I wish it could show a graph for a single process
L862[20:42:48] <Forec​aster> that's not good http://tinyurl.com/y5vevo9m
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L864[20:52:03] <Forec​aster> yeah okay... it wont install...
L865[20:52:07] <Forec​aster> great
L866[20:52:32] <S3> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uJKD4SCX/image.png
L867[20:53:07] <Forec​aster> this is probably related to this stupid hard drive, which was just now during and after the driver install attempt sitting at 100% again
L868[20:53:12] <S3> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rIzjpfTT/image.png
L869[20:53:15] <S3> My observatory is working great!
L870[20:53:16] <Forec​aster> it only just dropped down to normal levels
L871[20:53:20] <S3> 5 cameras, zoom, you gotta love it
L872[20:53:39] <Forec​aster> I'm starting to think that I need a new system drive and a re-install
L873[20:56:19] <CompanionCube> :( ?
L874[20:57:01] <Forec​aster> the worst part is moving stuff
L875[20:57:10] <Forec​aster> but at least I can get an SSD I guess
L876[20:58:39] <Michiyo> I really wanna grab a 1TB NVME Drive..
L877[20:58:53] <Forec​aster> why?
L878[20:59:07] <Forec​aster> are they fasty?
L879[20:59:07] <Michiyo> For 1TB of NVME storage?
L880[20:59:08] <Michiyo> :P
L881[20:59:19] <Michiyo> Yeah
L882[20:59:33] <Michiyo> just make sure it's an NVME drive, not a SATA over NVME connector.
L883[21:00:00] <dequbed> >1Gbps if done properly, constant time >10ms latency in my measurements. fasty
L884[21:00:01] <Michiyo> m.2 connector
L885[21:00:16] <dequbed> *1GBps
L886[21:00:20] <Michiyo> "NVMe drives have a latency of just a few microseconds, while SATA SSDs have latency in the 30-100 microsecond range. SATA-based SSDs top out around 550 MB/s, while NVMe drives can reach up to 3,500 MB/s on PCIe 3.0. When you look at it from that perspective, it sounds like a done deal NVMe is faster in every way."
L887[21:00:25] <Michiyo> To grab a random google quote
L888[21:00:44] <CompanionCube> huh, apparently shit's going down in armenia/azerbaijan up to and including martial law and fighting
L889[21:00:45] <M​GR> NVMe drives can hit 7GB/s read bandwidth, dequbed
L890[21:00:51] <Ar​iri> got’damn
L891[21:01:10] <Forec​aster> but how many arms and legs do they cost
L892[21:01:13] <dequbed> @MGR NVME drives can max out your PCI-e bus, there is little upper limit to their speed.
L893[21:01:17] <Michiyo> So yeah @"Forec​aster" if your board has an m.2 NVME slot go for it :P
L894[21:01:19] <Ar​iri> 3.14
L895[21:01:31] <M​GR> Yeah, besides your PCIe lane allocation and generation
L896[21:01:35] <Michiyo> the EVO 970 1TB I'm looking at is like 163
L897[21:01:43] <Forec​aster> I don't ever remember what MB I have
L898[21:01:50] <M​GR> 970 Evo vanilla or the EVO Plus?
L899[21:01:55] <Ar​iri> Wish Windows had a nice way of moving to another drive that isn’t just straight cloning
L900[21:01:59] <Michiyo> https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-1TB-MZ-V7E1T0BW/dp/B07BN217QG 970's not the fastest but it's pretty good
L901[21:02:09] <Michiyo> @MGR just 970, not the plus
L902[21:02:16] <M​GR> Ok
L903[21:02:20] <Michiyo> Oh, and it's 168 now
L904[21:02:22] <Michiyo> it went up
L905[21:02:27] <Ar​iri> 160 for a TB? damn not bad
L906[21:02:32] <Michiyo> I ALMOST caught it on super sale...
L907[21:02:37] <Michiyo> they were going for like $80
L908[21:02:45] <Michiyo> But I didn't HAVE $80 lol
L909[21:03:28] <M​GR> WD Blue is $105 for 1TB
L910[21:03:45] <M​GR> HP EX920 is $120
L911[21:03:54] <Ar​iri> 80, whew
L912[21:04:04] <dequbed> I was looking at the 980 Pro for 1TB. Because since I will have PCI-e 4.0 anyway...
L913[21:04:07] <Forec​aster> I could get a Kingston A2000 M.2 1TB for less than $100
L914[21:04:29] <M​GR> 980 Pro is a good drive
L915[21:04:39] <M​GR> Samsung sandbags all their endurance ratings enormously
L916[21:06:03] <dequbed> Eh I don't look for endurance in SSDs. If they start to fail toss em out get new ones. Same with spinning rust same with tires. Different failure kind, still failures.
L917[21:06:18] <M​GR> Yeah
L918[21:06:27] <M​GR> I don't know your workload, so I thought it was worth mentioning
L919[21:06:34] <dequbed> Problem is ya can't do preventative maint. Or get trustworthy ratings on their lifecycle.
L920[21:06:54] <Forec​aster> oh neat, I have a single M.2 connector on my MB
L921[21:07:22] <dequbed> @MGR Honestly, pretty light for what I could be doing. This is for a workstation, not a SAN/NAS. In those I'd be more cautious but there I have tiered storage anyway and everything ends up on tape sooner or later.
L922[21:07:29] <Inari> nvme is love, nvme is life
L923[21:07:47] <Ar​iri> r/datahoarders might have some nice references to for real world results
L924[21:07:52] <Forec​aster> `The SATA3 4/5 connectors will become unavailable when an M.2 SSD is installed.` wait what http://tinyurl.com/y3s4rfbg
L925[21:08:22] <dequbed> Ariri: Yeah they do but they as well have surprisingly low loads. Cloud providers have better data but they are more reluctant to share that data
L926[21:08:45] <Inari> The way you mount nvme is kinda odd though (at least for my motherboard)
L927[21:08:49] <M​GR> 4/5 must be running off a controller that has its lanes shut off and moved to the M.2
L928[21:09:28] <Forec​aster> I have 3 drives plugged in... I'm pretty sure I'm using those
L929[21:10:10] <Ar​iri> move them then
L930[21:10:54] <Forec​aster> oh does this refer to the 2. connector...
L931[21:11:09] <Forec​aster> I thought it was referring to 3.
L932[21:11:19] <Forec​aster> because it is following that line...
L933[21:11:30] <Forec​aster> but now I'm not sure
L934[21:12:04] <dequbed> @MGR y'know what I'd like? PCI-e 5.0 on desktop w/o having to buy POWER or wait two years.
L935[21:12:18] <M​GR> It'll be expensive
L936[21:12:32] <dequbed> Not that much. Zen 4 will probably have it.
L937[21:13:19] <M​GR> Perhaps
L938[21:13:27] <M​GR> I'm holding back my expectations for now
L939[21:14:08] <dequbed> Eh. I'll just go for 4.0. Good enough for me if I'd need the troughput I'd go for POWER anyway.
L940[21:24:34] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L941[21:24:34] <MichiBot> Dad-Sizzle! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 10 minutes and 56 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L942[21:24:35] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 10 minutes and 56 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00118)
L943[21:42:42] <B​ob> http://tinyurl.com/yxjc82uy
L944[21:42:43] <B​ob> 😢
L945[21:43:22] <Forec​aster> Try woman
L946[21:44:30] <Forec​aster> Wait, can an m.2 slot be non-nvme
L947[21:45:35] <dequbed> Well m.2 is just a connector. It provides PCI-e, SATA and USB
L948[21:45:50] <M​GR> Note, not all M.2 slots support all modes
L949[21:46:01] <M​GR> Always check the documentation
L950[21:46:05] <dequbed> But yeah some drop USB or PCI-e or Sata because it's just not there
L951[21:52:37] <Forec​aster> %sip
L952[21:52:37] <MichiBot> You drink a fluffy rainbow potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus! But Forecaster's anti-virus routines destroy it.
L953[22:16:36] <Amanda> %reminders
L954[22:17:01] <Amanda> %remind list
L955[22:17:01] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Upcoming reminders
L956[22:17:02] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: download Re:Zero S2 for binging At 09/30/2020 10:51:23 AM
L957[22:17:03] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: 12h download Re:Zero S2 for binging At 09/29/2020 10:48:46 PM
L958[22:17:10] <Amanda> I see
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L962[22:28:26] <Michiyo> I'm very tempted to drop the SQL stuff on the logs/stats...
L963[22:35:22] <Amanda> %choose pirates or books or pain
L964[22:35:22] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I spy with my robotic eye something beginning with "books"!
L965[22:36:03] <Amanda> bah, Plex indexed it wrong
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L967[22:46:14] <CompanionCube> Izaya: you've heard of big-endian x86, but have you heard of little-endian 68k? https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2020/09/hacking-gopher-client-into-alpha-micro.html
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L969[22:57:32] <Ko​dos> https://puu.sh/Gx2M6/fdba6e978f.png the heck
L970[22:58:06] <bad at​ vijya> my e y e s
L971[22:58:23] <prisma> ah yes, m o j a n k
L972[22:59:00] <prisma> the new logo is horrible imo
L973[23:07:53] <Lizzy> "<Amanda> deq-ubed/Lizzy/Sky-e: Do I need both sets of signals here, or would just the top one work? (Turn-around loop)" just the top one should work, they should path up then around
L974[23:08:26] <Lizzy> also the last two times you've pinged me you managed to do it whilst im in VR lol
L975[23:15:12] <Amanda> haha, sorry
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L977[23:43:17] <Amanda> %choose leave the story for tomorrow or wait some more
L978[23:43:17] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I sense some "wait some more" in your future!
L979[23:46:40] <prisma> TIL IntelliJ will actually process HTML data in a text field (like renaming a class)
L980[23:48:29] <prisma> I wonder if it'll run JS
L981[23:49:05] <prisma> Probably not, but this is interesting.
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