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<ThePiGuy24> ohgod not cyrrilic comic
sans
L7[00:33:53] <CompanionCube> is it
faux-cryillic or actual cryillic?
L8[00:46:42]
<ThePiGuy24> actual
L9[00:47:03]
<ThePiGuy24> "друг", the russian
word for "friend"
L10[00:47:56]
<ThePiGuy24> in latin alphabet it would be
"drug", pronounced "droog"
L11[00:49:11]
<Ariri>
Oof, I went outside and thought I had my computer glasses on,
except it’s not nearly strong enough to make the orange tint that
the sky has
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<Ariri>
People jogging in this have crazy lung capacity
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<BrianH>
@MGR True, but making a game that you think will make profit just
because some other company did it gets old
L16[01:39:39]
<MGR> I
haven't heard about any big flops in the genre lately, so I think
it can be assumed that they are still turning a profit
L17[01:40:02]
<BrianH>
It's like battle royale I already feel like its going to get out of
hand
L18[01:40:48]
<MGR> Oh
sure, but I'm just offering a reasonable explanation for why they
keep getting made
L19[01:43:42]
<BrianH> I
just find it interesting because, in classical gaming, the success
of game consoles was generally led on top by how many good games
were developed, as well as the publishers / developers that
targeted such a console to develop those games on, and games that
were similar were not generally renouned.
L20[01:43:55]
<BrianH>
big change over the years
L21[01:44:31]
<BrianH> I
don't know if you remember but between the 80s and the 90s there
were hundreds of game consoles and people only remember a small
handful of them
L22[01:44:54]
<BrianH>
some of them were doomed to be dead before they even hit the
shelves
L23[01:45:27]
<BrianH> It
was funny too because they all failed for many different
reasons
L25[01:46:07]
<BrianH>
yep
L26[01:46:44]
<BrianH> It
is said that the NES is what pulled us out of that
L27[01:46:58]
<BrianH> by
some
L28[01:48:57]
<MGR> Quite
possible
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L30[02:11:12] <CompanionCube> wasn't it
FPSes and MMOs before battle royale?
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L32[03:44:09] <Amanda> I'd say you're
rather lucky, Sophia. Zombies have been going out of style, in
place of battle royal/open-world/crafting
L33[03:45:34] *
Amanda snugs up around Elfi, prepares for sleeps
L34[03:57:34] <Izaya> Any of you nerds have
a good way to get stuff like my server's TPS and such into
Grafana?
L35[03:57:50] <Izaya> The prometheus
exporter sponge plugin doesn't work, and sponge makes the server
absolutely chug
L36[03:59:14] <Izaya> Telegraf has a plugin
for Minecraft, but it only does the scoreboard.
L37[04:00:23] <Izaya> Maybe I should write
something to run rcon commands and provide a Prometheus
endpoint
L38[04:21:18] <CompanionCube> Izaya: today
on government idiocy: thinking that you can make something
not-illegal under international law by passing a domestic law
saying so.
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<Kodos>
%tonkout
L45[05:38:51] <MichiBot> Woooo! Kodos! You
beat your own previous record of 7 hours, 52 minutes and 46 seconds
(By 1 hour, 25 minutes and 46 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L46[05:38:52] <MichiBot> Kodos has tonked
out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points! plus 0.016
bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.46819,
Position #8 Need 0.04066 more points to pass simon816!
L47[07:09:18] <dequbed> Izaya: No. Stop.
Get some help.
L48[07:09:30] <Izaya> why
L49[07:09:35]
<Forecaster> %sip
L50[07:09:37] <MichiBot> You drink a muddy
mithril potion (New!). For about a second Forecaster knows the
location of a great treasure.
L51[07:09:38] <dequbed> You're doing devops
again
L52[07:09:45] <Izaya> yes B)
L53[07:10:35] <Izaya> dequbed: you will be
suitably horrified to know I'm spewing commands over rcon to parse
the output of to get numbers
L54[07:10:57] <dequbed> That's about as
good as it gets with mc servers so not more horrified than
before.
L55[07:17:01] <dequbed> CompanionCube: Oh
yeah bytheby but wtf are your guvernment people smoking and where
can I get some of that?
L56[07:18:26] <CompanionCube> dequbed: you
wouldn't want it; side effects include nationalist delusion and
voluntary self-harm
L57[07:20:37] <CompanionCube> (at the very
least you'd see *admitting it* is a mistake....)
L58[07:22:32] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L59[07:22:32] <MichiBot> Awesome!
CompanionCube! You beat Kodos's previous record of <0 (By 1
hour, 43 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L60[07:22:33] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's
new record is 1 hour, 43 minutes and 41 seconds! CompanionCube also
gained 0.00173 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need
0.0678864 more points to pass Forecaster!
L61[08:42:18]
<Saphire>
Izaya: is your mc server still there?
L62[08:43:12] <Izaya> It's still here, but
I presently only have the memory to run one at a time
L63[08:43:53]
<Saphire>
Hmm?
L64[08:44:06]
<Saphire>
Was just uh. Remembering about it.
L65[08:45:00]
<Saphire>
... And how I got pissed off someone dug out the above bedrock area
and left ugly unlit cave full of fucking zombies and shitty walls
you can't navigate in
L66[08:54:10]
<k00lk4t>
is there any like NES emulator
L67[08:59:51] <dequbed> To run on OC? No.
Write one though, that'd be funny.
L68[09:00:19] <dequbed> Not that it's
particularly possible with the current lua arch but I'm sure you'll
figure that out :)
L70[09:20:13]
<Ariri>
I-is that bad?
L71[09:32:39] <Izaya> been playing with
fold-up solar array designs
L72[09:33:18] <Izaya> this design tempts
clang, but it's >2x the density of the last try
L75[09:35:01] <Izaya> The idea is that when
docking/near other ships, they're folded together, then folded
against the hull of the ship.
L76[09:37:46]
<Ariri>
Izaya: whats yours criteria for a good design, other than what you
just said
L77[09:38:03]
<Ariri>
Might think of some stuff till i fall asleep
L78[09:38:29] <Izaya> I'm trying to design
stuff that is economical enough to use on a solar sailer
design
L79[09:38:58] <Izaya> So I'm looking for
lightweight and compact
L80[09:39:03]
<Ariri>
Economical being panel density?
L81[09:39:06]
<Ariri>
Ah
L82[09:44:50] <Izaya> This version wobbles
less than the last, also.
L84[10:07:25] <Izaya> What if I... made the
outer shell out of solar panels
L85[10:07:36]
<Bob> the
whole ship is a solar panel
L86[10:55:43] <GreaseMonkey> [20:00:19]
<dequbed> Not that it's particularly possible with the
current lua arch but I'm sure you'll figure that out :) <--
there's an x86 emulator for OC
L87[10:55:54] <GreaseMonkey> the purpose
was to make it possible to run ZZT
L88[10:56:19] <GreaseMonkey> it turns out
that it can also run Elite at a good framerate
L89[11:04:29] <dequbed> GreaseMonkey:
Problem is timing or rather the sensitivity of games to said
timing. What would be very much possible is to run a NES emulator
and stream IO. Then however you would get some playability issues
with the quasi zero-latency environment NES games were programmed
for.
L91[11:25:47] <Izaya> Perhaps a tad
overkill but I like it.
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L93[11:59:44] <dequbed> Izaya: It does look
properly solar-sailer-y though
L94[12:03:36] <Izaya> The solar panels make
a wonderful door.
L95[12:12:02]
<Trainfan91> c64 on oc?
L96[12:12:13]
<Trainfan91> commagdore i mean...
L97[12:12:30] <Izaya> Maybe the VIC-20,
slowly.
L98[12:12:56]
<Trainfan91> what about lunatic86?
L99[12:13:18]
<Trainfan91> what CLOSE to dos
compatible
L100[12:13:46]
<Trainfan91> that's CLOSE to dos
compatible [Edited]
L102[12:14:06] <Lizzy> just need some stop
signs for the fire :P
L103[12:16:46]
<Trainfan91> anyone wanna try commadoe 64
request?
L104[12:16:59]
<Trainfan91> anyone wanna try commadore 64
request? [Edited]
L105[12:34:51] <dequbed> I like how you
managed to missspell the commodore 64 in three different ways
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L108[12:59:48]
<Kristopher38> Some of the graphics modes
of c64 wouldn't be doable in oc, and then there's the stuff that
would require accurate cycle-accurate emulation
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<Kristopher38> Spelled accurate twice,
nice
L111[13:34:44] <Amanda> commadoor
L112[13:34:56] *
Amanda hides inside a tree in Elfi's grove
L113[14:08:54] <Amanda> s/inside/up/
L114[14:08:55] <MichiBot> * Amanda hides
up a tree in Elfi's grove
L115[14:29:01]
<bad at
vijya> Izaya: spengies is fiiiine in 1680x105
L116[14:29:27]
<bad at
vijya> *1050
L117[14:32:56] <Izaya> Amanda, Elfi:
L120[14:33:43] <Izaya> I have the sails
folding out the wrong way and all
L121[14:33:53] <Izaya> but I think it'll
do for a neat similar design
L122[14:34:28] <Izaya> also it folds out
to this
L124[14:35:40] <Izaya> I'm using the solar
panels as hangar doors :3
L126[14:58:49] <dequbed> Izaya: Can I have
your automatic man page generator thingy for PsychOS?
L128[14:59:11] <dequbed> Thank you
<3
L129[15:04:33]
<Saphire>
...I kinda want to make an addon for OC to use Rhai <.<
L130[15:11:56] <dequbed> Shelly Plugs are
surprisingly non-shitty. That being said I haven't opened one up
and dumped the firmware and for the sake of my sanity I doubt I
ever will.
L131[15:16:29] <Izaya> > We're not
flying, we're falling with style!
L132[15:16:39] <Izaya> me @ SE
planets
L133[15:17:04] <dequbed>
s/falling/failing/
L134[15:17:07] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
> We're not flying, we're failing with style!
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<ThePiGuy24> %s/flying/failing/
L137[15:19:36] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
> We're not failing, we're failing with style!
L138[15:22:58]
<Saphire>
Shelly plugs?
L139[15:24:46] <stephan48> wifi controlled
smart plugs?
L140[15:25:24] <dequbed> Ye, those
L141[15:26:34] <dequbed> Nothing more than
an tiny MCU driving a 16A capable relais. Well I *hope* it can
actually switch 16A and not just /carry/ 16A but it's a group of
Bulgarians, I assume they have done their homework.
L142[15:26:45] <dequbed> tiny,
wifi-enabled MCU that is.
L143[15:32:22] <dequbed> They support
MQTT, so if you ever wanted to broadcast the second-accurate duty
time and power draw of all your applicances to everybody managing
to get into your LAN they are the way to go. Because let's be
honest, who sets up authentication on a MQTT broker? :)
L144[15:42:00]
<ThePiGuy24> chances are if you are using
wifi smart plugs, you arent too interested in security anyway
L145[15:42:24]
<bad at
vijya> i use my own smart plugs
L146[15:42:31]
<bad at
vijya> i control em through RS232
L147[15:42:47]
<bad at
vijya> there are wires running all over the house
L148[15:42:50]
<bad at
vijya> to plugs
L149[15:42:54]
<bad at
vijya> from the controller
L150[15:43:03] <Inari> %sip
L151[15:43:03] <MichiBot> You drink a
stirring water potion (New!). Inari feels much better!
L152[15:43:10] <Inari> Nice!
L153[15:43:16] <Inari> Water is good for
you kids
L154[15:43:22]
<SnailDOS>
%tonk
L155[15:43:23] <MichiBot> Darn! SnailDOS!
You beat CompanionCube's previous record of 1 hour, 43 minutes and
41 seconds (By 6 hours, 37 minutes and 9 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L156[15:43:24] <MichiBot> SnailDOS's new
record is 8 hours, 20 minutes and 50 seconds! SnailDOS also gained
0.01324 (0.00662 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position
#16 => #14. (Overtook Saghetti) Need 0.008 more points to pass
Mimiru!
L157[15:43:32] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24
Chances are you didn't look at any solution close enough to make
that statement based on facts
L158[15:43:34] <dequbed> %shrug
L159[15:43:35] <MichiBot> dequbed: No you
shrug!
L160[15:43:35]
<SnailDOS>
:o POG
L161[15:44:02]
<SnailDOS>
Heweo everyone
L162[15:44:18]
<ThePiGuy24> no its just that alоt of
networked "smart" devices have terrible security
vulnrabilities
L163[15:44:35] <Izaya> that's why you put
them on their own network without internet access
L164[15:44:40] <dequbed> ^
L165[15:44:50]
<ThePiGuy24> too bad most dont
L166[15:44:55]
<SnailDOS>
What.. Are you guys talking about?
L167[15:45:04]
<SnailDOS>
What "device" is this now.
L168[15:45:08] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24
chances are, I DO.
L169[15:45:14] <Izaya> you can also use an
obnoxious PSK because nobody but you ever has to put it into
anything, and you can usually automate it
L170[15:45:24]
<SnailDOS>
..? Thonk
L171[15:45:35] <Izaya> if it's wireless,
that is
L172[15:46:31]
<SnailDOS>
Ohh.
L173[15:46:40]
<bad at
vijya> oh wait
L174[15:46:49]
<bad at
vijya> i have a shitty linksys router i can use for smart
devices
L175[15:46:51]
<SnailDOS>
Chromecast on its own WiFi :GWpingKanyeLUL:
L176[15:46:57]
<bad at
vijya> 802.11g
L177[15:47:00] <dequbed> I mean if you
want to go completely the oH lOoK aT mE i'M sO sAfE way, just have
a CAN-bus around the entire building connecting everything.
L178[15:47:00]
<bad at
vijya> 👀
L179[15:47:15]
<bad at
vijya> dequbed: you joke but
L180[15:47:19] <dequbed> I don't.
L181[15:47:21]
<bad at
vijya> i almost did that
L182[15:47:27] <dequbed> I *have* a CAN
bus in my flat.
L183[15:47:30] <dequbed> For *exactly*
that.
L184[15:47:33]
<SnailDOS>
I think I'm dumb. This is irl right.
L185[15:47:39]
<SnailDOS>
Not oc..
L186[15:47:42]
<bad at
vijya> oh great
L187[15:47:45] <dequbed> But I don't claim
it makes me safe. Or that I'm safer than the guy using MQTT over
TLS.
L188[15:47:46]
<bad at
vijya> also yes
L189[15:47:47]
<bad at
vijya> this is irl
L190[15:47:56]
<SnailDOS>
😄 I'm smart then.
L191[15:47:59]
<bad at
vijya> oh nah, i just don't trust myself to make things
safe
L192[15:48:06]
<ThePiGuy24> that reminds be that my beeb
has an rs485 port on the back, might make use of that :p
L193[15:48:06]
<SnailDOS>
I'm rlly not but anyway.
L194[15:48:12]
<bad at
vijya> so i just hardwire everything like the madman i am
L195[15:48:15]
<SnailDOS>
Talking about safety I don't have ddos protection.
L196[15:48:21]
<SnailDOS>
And my servers run on my same network.
L197[15:48:23]
<bad at
vijya> I need to start doing rs485 shit
L198[15:48:26]
<SnailDOS>
And I don't have firewall.
L199[15:48:30]
<SnailDOS>
Happy now?
L200[15:48:30]
<SnailDOS>
Xd
L201[15:48:45]
<bad at
vijya> ok
L202[15:48:54]
<bad at
vijya> i run my servers on my main network
L203[15:49:01]
<SnailDOS>
Well actually I now run on differant networks for saftry.
L204[15:49:05]
<SnailDOS>
THINK WHAT
L205[15:49:16]
<SnailDOS>
NANI I!?!?
L206[15:49:19]
<bad at
vijya> wut
L207[15:49:34]
<SnailDOS>
Saftry alarm nee noo
L208[15:49:47]
<bad at
vijya> i don't exactly see the problem with this one
L209[15:49:58]
<SnailDOS>
It's not bad unless you expose ports.
L210[15:50:06] <dequbed> @"bad at
vijya" I almost made my LED-wall controllable via DMX512 i.e.
RS-485. But then I took a long hard look in the mirror, figured
that the drapings look shit and did something else instead. I'm
good at things.
L211[15:50:11]
<SnailDOS>
I really... Don't know... Im not good at network.
L212[15:50:22]
<bad at
vijya> since i do m u h firewalls and i'm phasing out
samba
L213[15:50:23]
<bad at
vijya> so
L214[15:50:25] <Izaya> got my servers on a
different subnet but really that's just convenience
L215[15:50:28]
<SnailDOS>
This will make you all cry... I'm using my default providers
router.. You guys crying now?
L216[15:50:29] <Izaya> and flexing with an
L3 switch
L217[15:50:38]
<bad at
vijya> nah
L218[15:50:44]
<bad at
vijya> i used a MI424WR for
L219[15:50:44]
<SnailDOS>
what how..
L220[15:50:46]
<bad at
vijya> a long time
L221[15:50:48] <Izaya> I use mine; as a
modem B)
L222[15:50:53]
<SnailDOS>
I use tewstra hehehe
L223[15:50:57] <Izaya> > telstra
L224[15:50:59]
<SnailDOS>
HEHEHEHEH NBN HEHEHEH
L225[15:51:00] <Izaya> this does make me
cry
L226[15:51:06] <dequbed> Izaya: VDSL2
modems are way too expensive.
L227[15:51:08]
<SnailDOS>
Yes.
L228[15:51:11]
<SnailDOS>
HOWEVEE
L229[15:51:16]
<SnailDOS>
It is a business plan.
L230[15:51:18] <Izaya> dequbed: they
basically don't exist
L231[15:51:28]
<SnailDOS>
Sooo. It is smart boi Time.
L232[15:51:28]
<bad at
vijya> MoCA modems are stupidly expensive for what they
are
L233[15:51:34]
<SnailDOS>
And it's xtra fast internet.
L234[15:51:38] <dequbed> Izaya: No they
do. ALL-NET has them plenty. Just expensive plenty.
L235[15:51:48]
<SnailDOS>
Wait so if I have adsl. Can I get a router on the net. Plug and
play it?
L236[15:51:52]
<SnailDOS>
With telstra?
L237[15:51:57]
<SnailDOS>
Just like that?
L238[15:52:08]
<bad at
vijya> i can get a MI424WR Rev I for less than a third of the
price of a MoCA modem
L239[15:52:09] <Izaya> dequbed: there's
less VDSL modems than ADSL2 modems and there's less ADSL2 modems
than ADSL modems and there's a lot less ADSL modems than dialup
ones
L240[15:52:27]
<bad at
vijya> and that sob has GiB ethernet
L242[15:52:47]
<bad at
vijya> *Gib
L243[15:52:48]
<bad at
vijya> whatever
L244[15:52:50] <dequbed> Izaya: Honestly,
I just want fiber q.q
L245[15:52:57] <Izaya> so do I q_q
L246[15:53:04]
<bad at
vijya> currently
L247[15:53:07]
<bad at
vijya> i'm on LTE
L248[15:53:08]
<bad at
vijya> :(
L249[15:53:14] <Izaya> did you know
L250[15:53:16]
<bad at
vijya> verizon hasn't set up the internet here yet
L251[15:53:22] <Izaya> most people in
australia have faster mobile internet than home internet
L252[15:53:23] <dequbed> (for less money
than what my bf would charge to get me FTTH because that's his job
and stuff)
L253[15:53:33] <Izaya> "20Mbps is
enough for anyone" ~ the previous prime minister, more or
less
L254[15:53:34]
<SnailDOS>
DID YOU KNOW MY LINE IS COPPER?
L255[15:53:36]
<bad at
vijya> and i think doing dial up over the phone service would be
faster than the LTE
L256[15:53:36]
<SnailDOS>
reeeee
L257[15:54:07]
⇨ Joins: bad_at_vijya
(~sam@88.sub-174-226-9.myvzw.com)
L258[15:54:08]
<SnailDOS>
> Wait so if I have adsl. Can I get a router on the net. Plug
and play it?
L259[15:54:08]
<SnailDOS>
@SnailDOS still curious.
L260[15:54:48] <bad_at_vijya> so
L261[15:55:09] <bad_at_vijya> i hope
verizon actually gives me ethernet instead of the MoCA bullshit
they used to pull
L262[15:55:10]
<SnailDOS>
Ono he betrayed us.. He's not using discord now..
L263[15:55:14]
<SnailDOS>
I shock
L264[15:55:31] <bad_at_vijya> i don't want
to have to use the absolutely ancient actiontec router
L265[15:55:37] <bad_at_vijya> also my
internet is eating shit and dying
L266[15:55:52] <bad_at_vijya> like i said,
basically on mobile internet on my desktop
L267[15:55:53] <bad_at_vijya> :(
L268[15:56:03] *
dequbed patpats
L269[15:56:05] <dequbed> there there
L270[15:56:12] <Izaya> my dude if you're
not using XMPP what are you doing
L271[15:56:24] <bad_at_vijya> i wonder if
i can get 3G on cricket........
L272[15:56:25] <dequbed> Using IRC my
dude
L273[15:56:32] <Izaya> valid, carry on my
dude
L274[15:56:37] <bad_at_vijya> my 3G is
faster than my LTE
L275[15:56:38] <bad_at_vijya> like
L276[15:56:41] <bad_at_vijya> 90% of the
time
L277[15:57:18] <bad_at_vijya> fuck
L278[15:57:20] <bad_at_vijya> probably
not
L280[15:57:32] <dequbed> If I walk outside
the city borders of Berlin I drop from 300Mbps LTE to no mobile
internet whatsoever within seconds.
L281[15:57:41] <stephan48> ^
L282[15:57:45] <bad_at_vijya> [x]
nice
L283[15:57:48] <stephan48> but just
outside Hamburg
L284[15:58:08] <bad_at_vijya> depending on
how the wind blows
L285[15:58:12] <Izaya> there's a phone
tower on the property where I work
L286[15:58:12] <bad_at_vijya> and if a
plane just flew over
L287[15:58:32] <Izaya> work has the worst
signal of anywhere around here
L288[15:58:33] <bad_at_vijya> i sometimes
get sub 30 kbit/s
L289[15:58:38] <dequbed> bad_at_vijya:
Just do EME-reflection internet! It's the new hotness
L290[15:58:42] <Izaya> also 3G doesn't
have data routed any more
L291[15:59:05] <bad_at_vijya> f
L292[15:59:13] <stephan48> mostly only 2G
over here between my home city and work city
L293[15:59:43] <bad_at_vijya> i wanna get
my pinephone
L294[15:59:43] <stephan48> besides being
in a village them some crappy LTE with perfect reception but no
real throuput
L295[15:59:50] <bad_at_vijya> so i don't
have to do hacks to get my fuckin hotspot
L296[16:00:20] <Teris> Huh
L297[16:00:27] <Teris> I didn't know
that
L298[16:01:02] <bad_at_vijya> the
pinephone has higher specs than my current phone
L299[16:01:10] <stephan48> i am really
interested in getting a pinephone somewhen later this year
L300[16:01:13] <bad_at_vijya> mfw
L301[16:01:22] <stephan48> mfw?
L302[16:01:23] <Izaya> Mine turned up
yesterday /o/
L303[16:01:30] <bad_at_vijya> *tfw but
whatever
L304[16:01:36] <bad_at_vijya>
anyways
L305[16:01:48] <Izaya> the pinephone
convergence package has better specs than my current phone
L306[16:01:54] <Izaya> the OG pinephone
has the same specs
L307[16:01:57] <Izaya> my phone came out
in 2015
L308[16:02:02] <stephan48> convergence
package?
L309[16:02:09] <bad_at_vijya> HOLY
FUCK
L310[16:02:11] <bad_at_vijya> 3GB OF
RAM
L311[16:02:12] <bad_at_vijya> IN A
PHONE
L312[16:02:24] <Izaya> 3GB RAM + 32GB
storage, comes with a cute USB-C "dock"
L313[16:02:26] <bad_at_vijya> 32GB OF
STORAGE
L314[16:02:33] <Teris> That's not much
compared to some other phones....
L315[16:02:34] <bad_at_vijya> i really
like the dock
L316[16:02:35] <bad_at_vijya> tbh
L317[16:02:41] <bad_at_vijya> that's all
of my yes
L318[16:02:45] <bad_at_vijya> i know which
to get
L319[16:02:49] <bad_at_vijya> it'll be
worth the $200
L320[16:02:51] <Inari> Really not tha
tmuch
L321[16:02:53] <Izaya> Teris: yeah but
think, you won't have half of it taken up by android
L322[16:03:12] <Teris> Even if you assume
that much wastage other phones still have more
L323[16:03:18] <bad_at_vijya> >other
phones
L324[16:03:23] <bad_at_vijya> the best
phone i've used was a uh
L325[16:03:25] <bad_at_vijya> moto
g4
L326[16:03:27] <bad_at_vijya>
non-plus
L327[16:03:27] <Izaya> sure, but then
you're still stuck with android
L328[16:03:35] <Teris> Fine with me
L329[16:03:44] <Izaya> don't get me wrong,
there are better value phones
L330[16:03:50] <dequbed> Izaya: Even then,
I don't think Memory has ever been an issue with my phone
L331[16:03:54] <Teris> I'm just saying the
specs aren't particularly noteworthy
L332[16:04:26] <Izaya> Teris: it's 2015
budget phone specs and I'm okay with that
L333[16:04:32] <Izaya> it's nothing
massive, but it's not expensive
L334[16:04:37] <Teris> Yes
L335[16:04:44] <Izaya> well, compared to
the shit coming out now, at any rate
L336[16:08:59] <bad_at_vijya> i love the
dock
L337[16:09:01] <bad_at_vijya> holy
fuck
L338[16:09:33] <bad_at_vijya> i can just
plug it into ethernet and update everything
L339[16:09:43] <bad_at_vijya> since i have
a place to set it with my setup
L340[16:10:34] <Izaya> I know I bitched
about it yesterday but it's a shame that the video out is HDMI,
I'll need an adaptor to connect it to anything >.>
L341[16:11:15] <Izaya> Figures for cheap
ARM gear though
L342[16:11:38]
<bad at
vijya> yea
L343[16:11:49]
<bad at
vijya> got a raspi in my drawer
L344[16:11:50]
<bad at
vijya> lmao
L345[16:12:02]
<SnailDOS>
Raspiii
L346[16:12:06] <Izaya> "cheap"
$370 but whatever
L347[16:12:42]
<SnailDOS>
Can I install open os on arduino...
L348[16:12:48]
<SnailDOS>
Intense stinks.
L349[16:13:00]
<SnailDOS>
No not stinks it stonks
L350[16:13:04]
<bad at
vijya> no, unless you port lua
L351[16:13:12]
<SnailDOS>
WUUaaa
L352[16:13:16]
<SnailDOS>
It has eeprom due
L353[16:13:35] <Izaya> consider:
L354[16:13:55] <dequbed> Your
misunderstanding of information technology realities does not make
them any less of said realities SnailDOS.
L355[16:14:04] <Izaya> an average arduino
has 2K of RAM, 32K of flash, and 512 bytes of EEPROM
L356[16:14:09] ⇦
Quits: bad_at_vijya (~sam@88.sub-174-226-9.myvzw.com) (Ping
timeout: 198 seconds)
L357[16:14:22] <Izaya> that's not enough
of anything to store anything in OC even if you put it in other
places
L358[16:27:11]
<SnailDOS>
Wait
L359[16:27:18]
<SnailDOS>
Did you just say 2k for ram..
L360[16:27:30]
<SnailDOS>
Lol I didn't relize how under rated it was.
L361[16:27:58]
<SnailDOS>
No dequbed, I meant as surely there is something like open os...
Not lua... C cuz it's some c language whatever it is.
L362[16:28:07]
<SnailDOS>
I havnt touched my surdiono in about like idek
L363[16:30:23] <Izaya> "beam
dispersers"
L364[16:30:26] <Izaya> mirrors as
chaff
L365[16:30:31] <Izaya> I love it
L366[16:35:15]
<Xandaros>
@SnailDOS There is no way you could run OpenOS on your typical
Arduino, but if you use a proper processor instead (like on a
raspi, or even something like an ESP32), you could probably do
it.
L367[16:35:15]
<Xandaros>
It will be a lot of effort, though, since you'll have to get Lua
working on it and then implement all the component APIs.
L368[16:35:15]
<Xandaros>
And for what? There's really not much point, just install Linux
instead.
L369[16:35:49] <Izaya> ESP32 could be a
nice target for it
L370[16:36:10]
<Kristopher38> You could even run Lua on
esp8266
L371[16:36:16] <Izaya> Not beefy enough to
run a real OS but has a bare-metal Lua environment
L372[16:36:19]
<Kristopher38> iirc
L373[16:36:28] <Izaya> yeah NodeMCU
L374[16:36:33]
<Xandaros>
NodeMCU did make me think of it, yeah
L375[16:37:21]
<Kristopher38> Ngl I'd like to run Lua on
an esp
L376[16:37:50]
<Xandaros>
Never used it, though, so I don't actually know what it does for
you. ESP32 with NodeMCU is probably the best option if you really
want to get OpenOS to run on real hardware.
L377[16:37:50]
<Xandaros>
ARM processors like the rpi are a pain to work with, x86 processors
are even worse. Most microcontrollers are probably not powerful
enough...
L378[16:39:16]
<Xandaros>
I guess the big question is existing software support. If you end
up writing your own keyboard driver, display driver, storage medium
driver, file system, ...
L379[16:39:16]
<Xandaros>
It'll be a big project
L380[16:39:25] <dequbed> SnailDOS
"something like open os". There are execution
environments for arduino, yes. Not the point. My point is that your
question shows your knowledge of things related lacking depth. Not
an issue per se, I'm no expert on chemistry. But then again I don't
annoy Vex with stupid statements of Chemistry based on my
surface-level knowledge but disregarding the knowledge that my
knowledge is surface-level.
L381[16:39:34] <Izaya> Man, I'd love an OC
machine with an e-ink display
L382[16:39:48] <dequbed> Izaya: Don't give
me stupid ideas.
L383[16:39:59] <Izaya> dequbed: they're my
stupid ideas >.>
L384[16:40:10] <Izaya> if I had a terminal
emulator on this e-reader I'd already have what I want
L385[16:40:11]
<Kristopher38> Why e-ink?
L386[16:40:39] <dequbed> Izaya: Don't give
me your stupid ideas either, I have enough on my own.
L387[16:40:57]
<Kristopher38> Those have little use
besides ereaders because of their response time
L388[16:41:09] <dequbed> And
watches.
L389[16:41:10]
<Kristopher38> I can't imagine running a
terminal on one of those
L390[16:41:45]
<Kristopher38> I haven't seen an e-ink
watch but I guess that's a valid use case aswell
L391[16:42:13] <dequbed> My watch has eink
and it's the best thing.
L392[16:42:28] <Izaya> tfw terrorist
watch
L393[16:42:43]
<SnailDOS>
Esp..?
L394[16:42:45]
<SnailDOS>
Huh
L395[16:43:18]
<SnailDOS>
I SMELL E INK...are those kindles good? Pog
L396[16:43:28] <dequbed> FFS
SnailDOS.
L397[16:43:49]
<Kristopher38> Esp is like an Arduino but
with WiFi, (very) roughly speaking
L398[16:43:52]
<SnailDOS>
Well I'm just curious.
L399[16:43:53]
<SnailDOS>
Ohh.
L400[16:44:02]
<SnailDOS>
Wait want there like some custom firmware for those..
L401[16:44:14]
<SnailDOS>
On github or smthing.... - =- I don't even know..
L402[16:44:35]
<Xandaros>
Alright, I'm out. My head hurts from all the face palming
L403[16:44:38]
<SnailDOS>
Which one do you recommend. Do they even have basic needs.
L404[16:44:53]
<SnailDOS>
clearly this community loves me
L405[16:45:04] <dequbed> Yes exactly, you
don't know. We have established that much. *sigh*. Look honey I
don't mean to discourage you from learning. But I *encourage* you
strongly to learn without annoying the people that could teach
you.
L406[16:45:22]
<SnailDOS>
Wdym annoying.
L407[16:45:30]
<SnailDOS>
I wanted to know about the kindle lol
L408[16:45:40] <dequbed> Then ask a
kindle-related community.
L409[16:45:54] <Izaya> Or look it up, I
guess.
L410[16:45:58]
<SnailDOS>
Like I know it won't run it. Obviously. But is there some random
crap out there that does something.
L411[16:46:16]
<SnailDOS>
alright. I just saw talk about kindles here before 👀
L412[16:46:18] <dequbed> Again. Ask a
kindle-related community - which this is not - or look it up.
L413[16:46:33]
<SnailDOS>
ok
L414[16:47:32]
<SnailDOS>
Really a pi would be the best thing to get open os running on. And
as per mentioned if I wanted to have lua on it etc etc.
L415[16:47:33] <dequbed> Yes, this channel
devolves into stupid discussions about all sorts of things,
technological, psychological and political. But if you want to be
part of a discussion without being regarded annoying or simply
noise then you need to be on the same magnitude of understanding to
the other people discussing.
L416[16:47:42]
<SnailDOS>
Isn't there emulators?
L417[16:47:51]
<SnailDOS>
Alright :)
L418[16:47:57]
<SnailDOS>
I'll.. Try.. Ig..
L419[16:48:31] <dequbed> Which you aren't
yet. So Please, if you want to learn about a topic ask about that
directly. Expect to be ignored, shunted or worse laughed at.
There's a reason as well teaching is a job that costs the taxpayer
millions.
L420[16:48:33]
<Kristopher38> Look into LuPi2
L421[16:49:27]
<Kristopher38> Or just run openOS in ocvm
I guess
L422[16:49:45]
<SnailDOS>
Alright then.
L423[16:49:49]
<Xandaros>
It's not even that they are ignorant, it's how they go about it.
Pretending to know things they clearly don't. And this meme-y
language is just so cringeworthy, I jsut can't
L424[16:49:57]
<SnailDOS>
I have many pis lying around.
L425[16:50:18] <Izaya> So many words to
say nothing useful
L426[16:50:18]
<SnailDOS>
I don't pretend I know things in clearly trying to understand
things.
L427[16:50:24] <dequbed> But be more
specific. If your question is "Hey S3 uh could you tell me
what's the difference between the B6800 and B7800, Wikipedia is
*really* light on that" You might get a good response. If your
question is "lol what's an eink" expect to be ignored or
sent to google.
L428[16:50:57]
<SnailDOS>
I didnt...- ok
L429[16:52:00] <dequbed> Also, I don't
know your age and I do not care in the slightest. But look how
everybody here is writing, then look at how you are writing. Notice
something? Adjusting to the communities standards of communication
is common curtesy :)
L430[16:52:37] <dequbed> Before you joined
I can not remember ever reading the word Pog - whatever that
actually means.
L431[16:52:55] <dequbed> In this channel
that is.
L432[16:53:19] <Izaya> Isn't it some
rubber collectible monster thingo from the 80s?
L433[16:53:23]
<Ariri>
play of the game, i presume, seems to be a trending twitch
thing
L434[16:53:26]
<Ariri> ie
poggers
L435[16:53:33]
<SnailDOS>
Yep. Again don't think tf but like it is phone.. It is also 12:00
at night here.. And.. Pog is.. :GWseremePeepoGGERS: <-- emote.
Nvm your not on discord sigh just remembered.
L436[16:53:34] <Izaya> I seem to remember
Jim Sterling being low-key obsessed with them a few years
back
L437[16:53:37]
<Ariri>
oh
L438[16:53:45]
<SnailDOS>
^ you got it lol
L439[16:54:22] <dequbed> S3: Also also
sorry for pinging you; don't bother responding I am *very* aware
they are completely different machines. If you however happen to
have a manual for a Burroughs B7700 or B7800 laying around I am
very interested in a copy :)
L440[16:54:31]
<Ariri> My
sources consistent of streaming anime girls, so i was not
confident
L441[16:55:03]
<SnailDOS>
"Look how everyone is speaking... Adjust.." I truly would
like to write fancy but when it's late i tend to Type
differently.
L442[16:55:15]
<SnailDOS>
And auto correct makes everything just way worst.
L443[16:55:38] <dequbed> @SnailDOS well
that's good to know. In that case if you're on twitch or whatever
people use nowadays do feel free to write that way. But in here it
just makes you seem .. like a kid, really.
L444[16:55:43]
<Ariri> No
one is asking you to type ‘fancy’ from what I gather, just better
questions
L445[16:56:25]
<SnailDOS>
No as in correct punction, and correct wording.
L446[16:56:31]
<MGR> If
autocorrect truly makes things worse, have you considered disabling
it?
L447[16:57:02] <dequbed> I mean maybe you
do say "Pog" after every sentence, yell half of it half
the time. In that case ugh... sure? I guess?
L448[16:57:17]
<Ariri> I
mean... if you’re understandable, I’m not going to be picky on
grammar and punctuation
L449[16:57:42] <dequbed> Also, more
importantly, please stay on one line. Maybe in Discords interface
it's not annoying, in IRC it very much is.
L450[16:59:28]
<SnailDOS>
But my sentences are unreadable lol. Yes I actually tend to flood.
Many people do not like me doing that. It's just a habit of
pressing enter or touching enter in my case I'm trying to get out
of it :). Now I actually never used a IRC client don't get mr wrong
I am sorry if anyone is shocked but what is a good client or which
one do you guys use?
L451[16:59:30] <dequbed> @SnailDOS And -
for my part - finally; don't take this as we want you to leave. I
want no such thing, I am happy with every new community member
trying to contribute. But I would like to see you adjust to how #oc
works and then may even be able to use the absolute trove of
knowledge that the people in here represent :)
L452[16:59:50]
<SnailDOS>
No I know. Again remember I think weirdly at this time :)
L453[17:00:14]
<MGR> Have
you considered interacting with the community at an earlier
time?
L454[17:00:46]
<SnailDOS>
Uhm.what do you mean?
L455[17:01:03]
<Ariri>
SnailDOS try looking around for ‘irc clients (platform)’ on a
search engine, but I personally recommend HexChat
L456[17:01:57]
<Xandaros>
My favourite IRC client is weechat. Don't know if that runs on
Windows, though
L457[17:02:09]
<SnailDOS>
And with my examing of previous chat logs- I actually would go on
google. Another thing to complain about. This phone.. Is very. Very
slow. I legit cannot multitask without the phone freezing up. So
that's why I ask pathetic questions. (And then I google it
xd)
L458[17:02:17]
<MGR> If
you can't think straight at this time, have you considered talking
to us earlier in the day, when you can think straight?
L459[17:02:18]
<Ariri>
WeChat is on the windows store
L460[17:02:25]
<MGR>
HexChat is the IRC client I use
L461[17:02:37] <Izaya> removing google is
the best way to speed up a phone B)
L462[17:02:46]
<Xandaros>
weechat, not wechat. Different things
L463[17:02:51]
<Ariri>
Izaya is right^^^
L464[17:03:13]
<Ariri>
Xandaros, thought so, which is why I specified
L465[17:03:51]
<SnailDOS>
Thanks.. I'll look into it. It always seemed interesting. Hexchat
is mentioned alot. I'll check it out. Uhm talking earlier. Not when
I game I game. Then I go to sleep and I'm like oh ye.. I wanna see
what ppl are doing. Again, a habit. Thanks Xandaros if I SPELT that
rrectly cuz of autocorrrvt smh. Im going to disable it at this
point.
L467[17:04:18]
<Xandaros>
Looks like WeeChat only runs on Windows with Cygwin. Probably not
worth it for an IRC client 😛
L468[17:04:54]
<SnailDOS>
^ Agreed
L469[17:04:54]
<SnailDOS>
. Cygwin,i had interesting experiences with that.
L470[17:05:27]
<MGR> Well,
now you run into another problem
L471[17:05:45]
<MGR> If
you're not willing to put in effort to talk to us, why should we
put in effort to talk to you?
L472[17:06:50] <dequbed> @MGR Because
that's not what any of this is about.
L473[17:06:59]
<SnailDOS>
Because.. Uhm... I have time now.....??
L474[17:07:19] <dequbed> @SnailDOS
disregard what MGR said. It's about being nice, not about putting
in efford.
L475[17:08:05]
<SnailDOS>
I think he's regarding too that I was game before.. When I say
gaming I mean minecraft. Minecraft as in skyfactory which btw has
open computers which I was messing around on :)
L476[17:08:07]
<MGR> You
said people should adjust to the standards of #oc, does that not
require some effort?
L477[17:08:18]
<SnailDOS>
What do you mean by effort.
L478[17:09:18] <dequbed> @MGR no it does
not. Respecting the rules of a community is not
"effort".
L479[17:09:38]
<Ariri> I
think we're being a bit too imposing now
L480[17:09:51] <Izaya> > meet you at
high noon
L481[17:09:54] <Izaya> > space
battle
L482[17:09:54]
<MGR> I
think we're defining effort differently here
L483[17:09:57] <Izaya> what did they mean
by this?
L484[17:10:11]
<SnailDOS>
I hope this didn't start because of me 😓
L486[17:10:33]
<Ariri>
Izaya: I think they mean when solar flare
L487[17:10:49]
<MGR> I'm
saying that if adjustment to adhere to the rules is necessary, that
requires some amount of mental effort to ensure you are
compliant
L488[17:11:07]
<SnailDOS>
Lol
L489[17:11:10]
<MGR> How
are you defining it?
L490[17:11:35] <dequbed> @MGR going off
what Ariri said, could you have said that in an any more imposing
way? o.O
L491[17:11:51]
<MGR> I'm
sorry for giving that impression
L492[17:12:24] <Izaya> Amanda: re EDs, I
re-watched episode ... 3? 4? for reference shots of the Odette II
and yeah, ED1 is better
L493[17:12:25] <dequbed> Anyway, let's
stop that now.
L494[17:12:50] <dequbed> @SnailDOS you are
still welcome, go install HexChat if you find the time :)
L495[17:13:21] <dequbed> And don't worry
about MGR and me bickering, that just how things work around
here.
L496[17:14:10]
<SnailDOS>
Yep will so. It supports command lines. These "IRC"
clients I actually have used before sorry, I remebr now. There are
many ones on github. Quite interesting. Def will do more
research.
L497[17:14:11]
<MGR> I
never meant SnailDOS wasn't welcome
L498[17:14:39] <dequbed> I'm not implying
such. I just want to give a final statement on the issue and move
on.
L499[17:14:50]
<SnailDOS>
No, I understand you, like if I'm up this late why didn't I
communicate before. It's just time is fast and I'm crsppy at time
management.
L500[17:15:09] <dequbed> We all are. For
example Izaya Is. Still. Up.
L501[17:15:22] <Izaya> it's only ... 2
AM
L502[17:15:22] <dequbed> Izaya: Go to bed
:<
L503[17:15:33] <Izaya> This is the last
episode though!
L504[17:15:35]
<Saphire>
highpaws Izaya
L505[17:15:41]
<SnailDOS>
Quick question. Oc is still updated..... Ri.. Right?
L506[17:15:41]
<Saphire>
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
L507[17:16:09]
<SnailDOS>
:GWseremePeepoThink:
L508[17:16:14] <dequbed> @SnailDOS yes,
but at a - pardon the pun - snail's pace.
L509[17:16:31]
<SnailDOS>
Lmao
L510[17:16:57] <dequbed> Mainly because
the maintainers don't have that much free time. But hey, maybe you
will be one of those maintainers doing the herculean task of
keeping a MC mod alive some day :)
L511[17:17:45]
<SnailDOS>
Oh gosh I don't think so. I can't even learn lua. Because I'm so
lazy. Lua is a interesting language. Ig I'll find some guides....
Somewhere.....
L512[17:17:55] <Izaya> %pil
L514[17:17:58]
<SnailDOS>
Is lua fairly new...?
L515[17:18:05] <Izaya> ^ The only guide
you need.
L516[17:18:09]
<Xandaros>
I've actually been wondering: What is holding 1.8 back? There's no
milestone for it on GitHub currently and those Video Ram Buffers
look really really nice. Do want 😄
L517[17:18:15] <Ariri> Izaya, relatable,
and do you have any dinghy shots?
L518[17:18:16] <dequbed> @SnailDOS
Learning languages is hard, don't beat yourself up about it.
L519[17:18:16]
<bad at
vijya> >drop phone
L520[17:18:21]
<SnailDOS>
I never done lua ever.
L521[17:18:22]
<bad at
vijya> >sim slot stops working
L522[17:18:30]
<bad at
vijya> >many reboots later
L523[17:18:32]
<bad at
vijya> >idea
L524[17:18:33]
<SnailDOS>
Do you need to compile it.?
L525[17:18:35] <Izaya> swap to the other
SIM slot
L526[17:18:39]
<bad at
vijya> >drop phone again
L527[17:18:42] <Ariri> SnailDOS, I
recommend Tutorialpoints stuff on Lua
L528[17:18:46]
<bad at
vijya> >sim slot starts working
L529[17:18:50]
<Lizzy-chan> > I've actually been
wondering: What is holding 1.8 back? There's no milestone for it on
GitHub currently and those Video Ram Buffers look really really
nice. Do want 😄
L530[17:18:50]
<Lizzy-chan> @Xandaros real life for some
of the main devs
L531[17:18:56]
<SnailDOS>
OK will do :)
L532[17:19:01]
<bad at
vijya> [meet the engineer]
L533[17:19:07] <dequbed> @Xandaros PR's
are welcome :P
L534[17:19:13]
<Forecaster> @Xandaros video buffers are
in the dev builds
L535[17:19:20]
<Forecaster> build server is linked in the
topic
L536[17:20:19]
<Xandaros>
Yeah, I was just wondering about an official release. dequbed: I
bet they are, but... which issues need to be resolved for 1.8? As I
said, there is no milestone.
L537[17:20:47]
<Forecaster> dev builds aren't
official?
L538[17:20:59] <Ariri> >was 46.1C the
other day, throughout most of it >is 21.7 this morning,
currently shivering
L539[17:21:19]
<SnailDOS>
It's time for me to go. I'm not sure when this server is the most
at active point. I'll have a snoop towmorrow as it's the weekend. I
will checkout irc clients and I again thank you all for explaining
things I should improve on. I'll also try to learn lua.. See how
that goes. Gn! :)
L540[17:21:27] <dequbed> @SnailDOS anyway,
if you want to learn a language, baby steps and keep at it. Get
yourself a book (like a physical one) about Python or Java or Lua
and go through it. If you're still in school, maybe go find a study
buddy for that there and make checking off chapters a weekly,
byweekly thing.
L541[17:21:28]
<Xandaros>
@Forecaster You know what I mean
L542[17:21:47]
<SnailDOS>
^ will do :)
L543[17:21:57] <Ariri> dequbed, any book
reccs for Python?
L544[17:22:17] <dequbed> Ariri: For you,
for somebody else?
L545[17:22:28] <Ariri> For me at the
moment
L546[17:22:41] <dequbed> Ariri: I can give
you like a dozen ebooks if you like that sorta thing.
L547[17:22:54] <Ariri> Yes please, ereader
coming next week
L548[17:29:16] <dequbed> For everybody
else asking the same question, the book with which I learned Python
originally is "Learn Python the Hard Way". Way back when
it was a website only, nowadays it seems to have been turned into a
book:
https://learncodethehardway.org/python/
L549[17:35:56]
<Saphire>
Best thing though
L550[17:36:14]
<Saphire>
Is to not try learning "programming in this language",
but like.. general? Dunno
L551[17:37:57] <Izaya> wait, there was a
dual-audio release of this the whole time?
L552[17:38:28] <Izaya> Guess I'll
die.
L553[17:38:33] <Ariri> Rip
L554[17:39:19] <Izaya> I muxed together
the audio from a dub release onto the video of another the other
day, made my own dual-audio copy
L555[17:39:22] <Izaya> felt clever
L557[17:40:22] <Ariri> Heh
L558[17:49:19]
<Xandaros>
I learn new languages by basically just using them. Come up with
some toy project and implement it in the language I want to
learn
L559[17:55:07] <dequbed> @Xandaros that
works as long as you have previous experience you can heavily rely
on. Does not work if you have to learn something so alien you have
little experience to work with. Haskell, LISP, Prolog are hard to
learn that way compared to the structured approach a well-written
book can give you.
L560[17:55:40] <dequbed> Which is why you
should learn all of those at school, university or by yourself
using books because they broaden your horizon and allow you to pick
up new languages easier.
L561[17:56:08]
<Xandaros>
Indeed. This works well if you are familiar with similar languages
already, but isn't that great if it's very different
L562[17:56:09] <Ariri> Yeah, im pretty
towards project based learning but I still like having some
structure or guideline or reference of some sort, since I can use
it at my own speed
L563[17:57:20]
<Forecaster> time for some space pew
pew
L564[17:58:02] <Ariri> Forecaster: hear
about the new story arc?
L565[17:58:37]
<Forecaster> story arc?
L566[17:59:46] <Ariri> I thought you were
talking about ED
L568[18:00:26] <MichiBot>
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L569[18:01:11]
<Forecaster> oh, I missed that video
apparently
L570[18:03:05] <Ariri> Yeah, the fellas at
sagi are hyped for it
L571[18:03:10] <Ariri> especially
souvarine
L572[18:03:24]
<Forecaster> I don't know what that
is
L573[18:04:08] <Ariri> Sagittarius
Eye?
L575[18:13:16]
<Forecaster> ah right
L576[18:14:08]
<Forecaster> so apparently my ISP decided
to charge me a $40 startup fee on this months bill for absolutely
no reason
L577[18:14:20]
<bad at
vijya> oof
L578[18:14:42]
<bad at
vijya> my ISP isn't charging the $99 setup fee now :)
L579[18:15:42]
<Forecaster> I've been a customer since I
moved here several years ago
L580[18:15:48]
<bad at
vijya> huh
L581[18:15:49]
<bad at
vijya> wtf
L582[18:16:12] <Ariri> My ISP did
something silly like that too
L583[19:33:32]
<Forecaster> %sip
L584[19:33:33] <MichiBot> You drink a
bubbly spice potion (New!). A genie appears out of the empty
bottle, turns it into a pie, then vanishes.
L585[19:33:43] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> eats the pie
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<Saphire>
woofs
L589[20:23:22]
<Ariri>
borks as greeting
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L591[20:44:11]
<Shadow_8472> Something tells me that
percistance isn't perfect with the robots.
L592[21:22:38]
<Bob>
lies
L593[21:22:45]
<Bob>
rather chunkloading is an issue
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L595[21:27:28]
<Shadow_8472> What can't be blamed on
chunkloading is autostart.lua not always auto starting.
L596[21:29:02]
<Bob> can't
be, and what's autostart ? it isn't a part of open os im sure
L597[21:29:50]
<Shadow_8472> It's a list of commands that
are supposed to run when a computer or robot starts.
L598[21:29:56]
<MGR> It is
a part of OpenOS
L599[21:30:07]
<MGR> It's
a file you can create in the root directory that's supposed to
always execute on startup
L600[21:30:42]
<Forecaster> In OpenOS you should
use
L601[21:30:43]
<Shadow_8472> I have a robot set up
without a keyboard/mouse that mines out a chunk and shuts
down.
L602[21:30:48]
<Forecaster> %autorun
L603[21:30:49] <MichiBot> Forecaster: In
OpenOS, in the file `/home/.shrc` put a single shell command on
each line
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L606[21:33:34]
<Bob> yaeh
quite sure its autorun
L607[21:33:45]
<Bob> and
only runs when the system boots
L608[21:38:22]
<Kristopher38> @Shadow_8472 list of
commands is .shrc, autorun is a Lua file
L609[21:38:55]
<Shadow_8472> I'm not totally sure about
the exact program, but I do have some script that runs about 1/4 of
the time I boot.
L610[21:39:04]
<Shadow_8472> I'm not totally sure about
the exact program, but I do have some script that runs about 1/4 of
the time I boot my robot. [Edited]
L611[21:40:03]
<Bob> more
of a OpenOS bug then but i can't be like that
L612[21:40:06]
<Bob> its
not random
L613[21:40:48]
<Shadow_8472> What's the pattern,
then?
L614[21:42:27]
<Bob>
executes the file on boot
L615[21:44:55] <Amanda> ... computers dont
reboot when they're unloaded. Are you sure the computer's actually
rebooting?
L616[21:46:34]
<Ariri>
^theres also a chunkloader upgrade for robots anyways
L617[21:51:15]
<Shadow_8472> I'm talking about power
button off and on again.
L618[21:51:46] <Amanda> ... then how is
that a probelem with persistence?
L620[21:52:55]
<Shadow_8472> Because it is two distinct
problems.
L622[22:01:52]
<Bob> you
can always remove the OpenOS middle man
L623[22:02:25]
<Shadow_8472> That was one of my eventual
goals: fit the dig program on an EEPROM.
L624[22:04:37]
<Bob> you
can always minify
L625[22:05:02]
<Shadow_8472> I have to have heard of it
and understand a bit about it first.
L626[22:08:12]
<Shadow_8472> I also heard that the out of
the box dig program has some dependancies on OpenOS.
L627[22:08:43]
<Ariri>
Cursed idea: have the second robot chunkload, place down an energy
cell and charger as needed, direct them both to it with the
waypoint or whatever, and repeat as needed
L628[22:09:17] <Corded> *
<Ocawesome101> hmmms
L629[22:09:31]
<Ocawesome101> should i have the monolith
installer be like the arch linux installer or is that too
complicated
L630[22:10:01]
<Shadow_8472> Again, that would require
special code I haven't written yet. (`@Ariri`)
L631[22:10:16]
<Kristopher38> you should have monolith
installer be just `pastebin run <pastebin chars link>`
L632[22:10:27]
<Kristopher38> make it as goddamn simple
as possible
L633[22:10:41]
<Ocawesome101> currently it's `wget
<file>; ./<file>`
L634[22:10:46]
<Ocawesome101> or something like
that
L635[22:10:49]
<Ariri> I
was just throwing it out there, and ultimately youre going to have
to write/modify something when youre not achieving the desired
resuly
L636[22:10:51]
<Ariri> I
was just throwing it out there, and ultimately youre going to have
to write/modify something when youre not achieving the desired
result [Edited]
L637[22:10:52]
<Kristopher38> notbad
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L639[22:21:39]
<Shadow_8472> I know I'm on an
intermediate step. The long-term goal is to have a program that
reserves some of its inventory for tool slots, carries either an
Enderstorage ender chest or ender pouch, makes use of a larger
tool, and doesn't get stuck under bedrock.
L640[22:22:33]
<Shadow_8472> What I have is a machine to
run the program, not a perfectly ballanced machine/program
combo.
L641[22:26:54]
<Shadow_8472> I know I need to spend some
time and manually copy the dig program, just to get back into
Lua.
L642[23:11:05]
<Bob> you
can always get your code reviewed