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L6[00:30:20] <ThePi​Guy24> ohgod not cyrrilic comic sans
L7[00:33:53] <CompanionCube> is it faux-cryillic or actual cryillic?
L8[00:46:42] <ThePi​Guy24> actual
L9[00:47:03] <ThePi​Guy24> "друг", the russian word for "friend"
L10[00:47:56] <ThePi​Guy24> in latin alphabet it would be "drug", pronounced "droog"
L11[00:49:11] <Ar​iri> Oof, I went outside and thought I had my computer glasses on, except it’s not nearly strong enough to make the orange tint that the sky has
L12[00:49:40] <Ar​iri> People jogging in this have crazy lung capacity
L13[00:55:12] <Ar​iri> Michiyo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/iqcacf/oregons_sky_during_wildfires_vs_nether_with_night/
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L15[01:39:00] <Bri​anH> @MGR True, but making a game that you think will make profit just because some other company did it gets old
L16[01:39:39] <M​GR> I haven't heard about any big flops in the genre lately, so I think it can be assumed that they are still turning a profit
L17[01:40:02] <Bri​anH> It's like battle royale I already feel like its going to get out of hand
L18[01:40:48] <M​GR> Oh sure, but I'm just offering a reasonable explanation for why they keep getting made
L19[01:43:42] <Bri​anH> I just find it interesting because, in classical gaming, the success of game consoles was generally led on top by how many good games were developed, as well as the publishers / developers that targeted such a console to develop those games on, and games that were similar were not generally renouned.
L20[01:43:55] <Bri​anH> big change over the years
L21[01:44:31] <Bri​anH> I don't know if you remember but between the 80s and the 90s there were hundreds of game consoles and people only remember a small handful of them
L22[01:44:54] <Bri​anH> some of them were doomed to be dead before they even hit the shelves
L23[01:45:27] <Bri​anH> It was funny too because they all failed for many different reasons
L24[01:46:01] <M​GR> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983 it was before my time but I'm aware of it
L25[01:46:07] <Bri​anH> yep
L26[01:46:44] <Bri​anH> It is said that the NES is what pulled us out of that
L27[01:46:58] <Bri​anH> by some
L28[01:48:57] <M​GR> Quite possible
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L30[02:11:12] <CompanionCube> wasn't it FPSes and MMOs before battle royale?
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L32[03:44:09] <Amanda> I'd say you're rather lucky, Sophia. Zombies have been going out of style, in place of battle royal/open-world/crafting
L33[03:45:34] * Amanda snugs up around Elfi, prepares for sleeps
L34[03:57:34] <Izaya> Any of you nerds have a good way to get stuff like my server's TPS and such into Grafana?
L35[03:57:50] <Izaya> The prometheus exporter sponge plugin doesn't work, and sponge makes the server absolutely chug
L36[03:59:14] <Izaya> Telegraf has a plugin for Minecraft, but it only does the scoreboard.
L37[04:00:23] <Izaya> Maybe I should write something to run rcon commands and provide a Prometheus endpoint
L38[04:21:18] <CompanionCube> Izaya: today on government idiocy: thinking that you can make something not-illegal under international law by passing a domestic law saying so.
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L43[05:35:28] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/pVxw9MD.png
L44[05:38:50] <Ko​dos> %tonkout
L45[05:38:51] <MichiBot> Woooo! Ko​dos! You beat your own previous record of 7 hours, 52 minutes and 46 seconds (By 1 hour, 25 minutes and 46 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L46[05:38:52] <MichiBot> Ko​dos has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points! plus 0.016 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.46819, Position #8 Need 0.04066 more points to pass simo​n816!
L47[07:09:18] <dequbed> Izaya: No. Stop. Get some help.
L48[07:09:30] <Izaya> why
L49[07:09:35] <Forec​aster> %sip
L50[07:09:37] <MichiBot> You drink a muddy mithril potion (New!). For about a second Forecaster knows the location of a great treasure.
L51[07:09:38] <dequbed> You're doing devops again
L52[07:09:45] <Izaya> yes B)
L53[07:10:35] <Izaya> dequbed: you will be suitably horrified to know I'm spewing commands over rcon to parse the output of to get numbers
L54[07:10:57] <dequbed> That's about as good as it gets with mc servers so not more horrified than before.
L55[07:17:01] <dequbed> CompanionCube: Oh yeah bytheby but wtf are your guvernment people smoking and where can I get some of that?
L56[07:18:26] <CompanionCube> dequbed: you wouldn't want it; side effects include nationalist delusion and voluntary self-harm
L57[07:20:37] <CompanionCube> (at the very least you'd see *admitting it* is a mistake....)
L58[07:22:32] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L59[07:22:32] <MichiBot> Awesome! Compan​ionCube! You beat Ko​dos's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 43 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L60[07:22:33] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 1 hour, 43 minutes and 41 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00173 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.0678864 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L61[08:42:18] <Sap​hire> Izaya: is your mc server still there?
L62[08:43:12] <Izaya> It's still here, but I presently only have the memory to run one at a time
L63[08:43:53] <Sap​hire> Hmm?
L64[08:44:06] <Sap​hire> Was just uh. Remembering about it.
L65[08:45:00] <Sap​hire> ... And how I got pissed off someone dug out the above bedrock area and left ugly unlit cave full of fucking zombies and shitty walls you can't navigate in
L66[08:54:10] <k00​lk4t> is there any like NES emulator
L67[08:59:51] <dequbed> To run on OC? No. Write one though, that'd be funny.
L68[09:00:19] <dequbed> Not that it's particularly possible with the current lua arch but I'm sure you'll figure that out :)
L69[09:09:24] <Michiyo> https://i.redd.it/i0wfalbhkem51.jpg
L70[09:20:13] <Ar​iri> I-is that bad?
L71[09:32:39] <Izaya> been playing with fold-up solar array designs
L72[09:33:18] <Izaya> this design tempts clang, but it's >2x the density of the last try
L73[09:33:24] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/D_DS58dFxZ_RShQr/2020-09-11-18-32-14-172.jpg
L74[09:33:24] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/Ve5PalTGGEnVG8Hn/2020-09-11-18-31-09-596.jpg
L75[09:35:01] <Izaya> The idea is that when docking/near other ships, they're folded together, then folded against the hull of the ship.
L76[09:37:46] <Ar​iri> Izaya: whats yours criteria for a good design, other than what you just said
L77[09:38:03] <Ar​iri> Might think of some stuff till i fall asleep
L78[09:38:29] <Izaya> I'm trying to design stuff that is economical enough to use on a solar sailer design
L79[09:38:58] <Izaya> So I'm looking for lightweight and compact
L80[09:39:03] <Ar​iri> Economical being panel density?
L81[09:39:06] <Ar​iri> Ah
L82[09:44:50] <Izaya> This version wobbles less than the last, also.
L83[09:52:26] <Izaya> well, that's a tad cryptic https://i.imgur.com/SyFDwdp.png
L84[10:07:25] <Izaya> What if I... made the outer shell out of solar panels
L85[10:07:36] <B​ob> the whole ship is a solar panel
L86[10:55:43] <GreaseMonkey> [20:00:19] <dequbed> Not that it's particularly possible with the current lua arch but I'm sure you'll figure that out :) <-- there's an x86 emulator for OC
L87[10:55:54] <GreaseMonkey> the purpose was to make it possible to run ZZT
L88[10:56:19] <GreaseMonkey> it turns out that it can also run Elite at a good framerate
L89[11:04:29] <dequbed> GreaseMonkey: Problem is timing or rather the sensitivity of games to said timing. What would be very much possible is to run a NES emulator and stream IO. Then however you would get some playability issues with the quasi zero-latency environment NES games were programmed for.
L90[11:25:38] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/ELjJRYD48_GhgwSb/2020-09-11-20-25-15-591.jpg
L91[11:25:47] <Izaya> Perhaps a tad overkill but I like it.
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L93[11:59:44] <dequbed> Izaya: It does look properly solar-sailer-y though
L94[12:03:36] <Izaya> The solar panels make a wonderful door.
L95[12:12:02] <Train​fan91> c64 on oc?
L96[12:12:13] <Train​fan91> commagdore i mean...
L97[12:12:30] <Izaya> Maybe the VIC-20, slowly.
L98[12:12:56] <Train​fan91> what about lunatic86?
L99[12:13:18] <Train​fan91> what CLOSE to dos compatible
L100[12:13:46] <Train​fan91> that's CLOSE to dos compatible [Edited]
L101[12:13:47] <Lizzy> Michiyo, https://i.redd.it/x8g4t3ounam51.jpg
L102[12:14:06] <Lizzy> just need some stop signs for the fire :P
L103[12:16:46] <Train​fan91> anyone wanna try commadoe 64 request?
L104[12:16:59] <Train​fan91> anyone wanna try commadore 64 request? [Edited]
L105[12:34:51] <dequbed> I like how you managed to missspell the commodore 64 in three different ways
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L108[12:59:48] <Kristo​pher38> Some of the graphics modes of c64 wouldn't be doable in oc, and then there's the stuff that would require accurate cycle-accurate emulation
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L110[13:17:58] <Kristo​pher38> Spelled accurate twice, nice
L111[13:34:44] <Amanda> commadoor
L112[13:34:56] * Amanda hides inside a tree in Elfi's grove
L113[14:08:54] <Amanda> s/inside/up/
L114[14:08:55] <MichiBot> * Amanda hides up a tree in Elfi's grove
L115[14:29:01] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: spengies is fiiiine in 1680x105
L116[14:29:27] <bad at​ vijya> *1050
L117[14:32:56] <Izaya> Amanda, Elfi:
L118[14:33:00] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/WEQJHLch9WjPDKfy/mpv-shot0003.jpg
L119[14:33:06] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/hiY3tkGRtUAOxBAx/2020-09-11-23-32-24-659.jpg
L120[14:33:43] <Izaya> I have the sails folding out the wrong way and all
L121[14:33:53] <Izaya> but I think it'll do for a neat similar design
L122[14:34:28] <Izaya> also it folds out to this
L123[14:34:34] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/08kVeDCKyTcV-TCq/2020-09-11-23-34-13-741.jpg
L124[14:35:40] <Izaya> I'm using the solar panels as hangar doors :3
L125[14:46:22] <Sap​hire> https://github.com/jonathandturner/rhai ooh
L126[14:58:49] <dequbed> Izaya: Can I have your automatic man page generator thingy for PsychOS?
L127[14:59:06] <Izaya> https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-PsychOS2/src/branch/master/lib/doc.lua
L128[14:59:11] <dequbed> Thank you <3
L129[15:04:33] <Sap​hire> ...I kinda want to make an addon for OC to use Rhai <.<
L130[15:11:56] <dequbed> Shelly Plugs are surprisingly non-shitty. That being said I haven't opened one up and dumped the firmware and for the sake of my sanity I doubt I ever will.
L131[15:16:29] <Izaya> > We're not flying, we're falling with style!
L132[15:16:39] <Izaya> me @ SE planets
L133[15:17:04] <dequbed> s/falling/failing/
L134[15:17:07] <MichiBot> <Izaya> > We're not flying, we're failing with style!
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L136[15:19:35] <ThePi​Guy24> %s/flying/failing/
L137[15:19:36] <MichiBot> <Izaya> > We're not failing, we're failing with style!
L138[15:22:58] <Sap​hire> Shelly plugs?
L139[15:24:46] <stephan48> wifi controlled smart plugs?
L140[15:25:24] <dequbed> Ye, those
L141[15:26:34] <dequbed> Nothing more than an tiny MCU driving a 16A capable relais. Well I *hope* it can actually switch 16A and not just /carry/ 16A but it's a group of Bulgarians, I assume they have done their homework.
L142[15:26:45] <dequbed> tiny, wifi-enabled MCU that is.
L143[15:32:22] <dequbed> They support MQTT, so if you ever wanted to broadcast the second-accurate duty time and power draw of all your applicances to everybody managing to get into your LAN they are the way to go. Because let's be honest, who sets up authentication on a MQTT broker? :)
L144[15:42:00] <ThePi​Guy24> chances are if you are using wifi smart plugs, you arent too interested in security anyway
L145[15:42:24] <bad at​ vijya> i use my own smart plugs
L146[15:42:31] <bad at​ vijya> i control em through RS232
L147[15:42:47] <bad at​ vijya> there are wires running all over the house
L148[15:42:50] <bad at​ vijya> to plugs
L149[15:42:54] <bad at​ vijya> from the controller
L150[15:43:03] <Inari> %sip
L151[15:43:03] <MichiBot> You drink a stirring water potion (New!). Inari feels much better!
L152[15:43:10] <Inari> Nice!
L153[15:43:16] <Inari> Water is good for you kids
L154[15:43:22] <Snai​lDOS> %tonk
L155[15:43:23] <MichiBot> Darn! Snai​lDOS! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of 1 hour, 43 minutes and 41 seconds (By 6 hours, 37 minutes and 9 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L156[15:43:24] <MichiBot> SnailDOS's new record is 8 hours, 20 minutes and 50 seconds! SnailDOS also gained 0.01324 (0.00662 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #16 => #14. (Overtook Saghetti) Need 0.008 more points to pass Mim​iru!
L157[15:43:32] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 Chances are you didn't look at any solution close enough to make that statement based on facts
L158[15:43:34] <dequbed> %shrug
L159[15:43:35] <MichiBot> deq​ubed: No you shrug!
L160[15:43:35] <Snai​lDOS> :o POG
L161[15:44:02] <Snai​lDOS> Heweo everyone
L162[15:44:18] <ThePi​Guy24> no its just that alоt of networked "smart" devices have terrible security vulnrabilities
L163[15:44:35] <Izaya> that's why you put them on their own network without internet access
L164[15:44:40] <dequbed> ^
L165[15:44:50] <ThePi​Guy24> too bad most dont
L166[15:44:55] <Snai​lDOS> What.. Are you guys talking about?
L167[15:45:04] <Snai​lDOS> What "device" is this now.
L168[15:45:08] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 chances are, I DO.
L169[15:45:14] <Izaya> you can also use an obnoxious PSK because nobody but you ever has to put it into anything, and you can usually automate it
L170[15:45:24] <Snai​lDOS> ..? Thonk
L171[15:45:35] <Izaya> if it's wireless, that is
L172[15:46:31] <Snai​lDOS> Ohh.
L173[15:46:40] <bad at​ vijya> oh wait
L174[15:46:49] <bad at​ vijya> i have a shitty linksys router i can use for smart devices
L175[15:46:51] <Snai​lDOS> Chromecast on its own WiFi :GWpingKanyeLUL:
L176[15:46:57] <bad at​ vijya> 802.11g
L177[15:47:00] <dequbed> I mean if you want to go completely the oH lOoK aT mE i'M sO sAfE way, just have a CAN-bus around the entire building connecting everything.
L178[15:47:00] <bad at​ vijya> 👀
L179[15:47:15] <bad at​ vijya> dequbed: you joke but
L180[15:47:19] <dequbed> I don't.
L181[15:47:21] <bad at​ vijya> i almost did that
L182[15:47:27] <dequbed> I *have* a CAN bus in my flat.
L183[15:47:30] <dequbed> For *exactly* that.
L184[15:47:33] <Snai​lDOS> I think I'm dumb. This is irl right.
L185[15:47:39] <Snai​lDOS> Not oc..
L186[15:47:42] <bad at​ vijya> oh great
L187[15:47:45] <dequbed> But I don't claim it makes me safe. Or that I'm safer than the guy using MQTT over TLS.
L188[15:47:46] <bad at​ vijya> also yes
L189[15:47:47] <bad at​ vijya> this is irl
L190[15:47:56] <Snai​lDOS> 😄 I'm smart then.
L191[15:47:59] <bad at​ vijya> oh nah, i just don't trust myself to make things safe
L192[15:48:06] <ThePi​Guy24> that reminds be that my beeb has an rs485 port on the back, might make use of that :p
L193[15:48:06] <Snai​lDOS> I'm rlly not but anyway.
L194[15:48:12] <bad at​ vijya> so i just hardwire everything like the madman i am
L195[15:48:15] <Snai​lDOS> Talking about safety I don't have ddos protection.
L196[15:48:21] <Snai​lDOS> And my servers run on my same network.
L197[15:48:23] <bad at​ vijya> I need to start doing rs485 shit
L198[15:48:26] <Snai​lDOS> And I don't have firewall.
L199[15:48:30] <Snai​lDOS> Happy now?
L200[15:48:30] <Snai​lDOS> Xd
L201[15:48:45] <bad at​ vijya> ok
L202[15:48:54] <bad at​ vijya> i run my servers on my main network
L203[15:49:01] <Snai​lDOS> Well actually I now run on differant networks for saftry.
L204[15:49:05] <Snai​lDOS> THINK WHAT
L205[15:49:16] <Snai​lDOS> NANI I!?!?
L206[15:49:19] <bad at​ vijya> wut
L207[15:49:34] <Snai​lDOS> Saftry alarm nee noo
L208[15:49:47] <bad at​ vijya> i don't exactly see the problem with this one
L209[15:49:58] <Snai​lDOS> It's not bad unless you expose ports.
L210[15:50:06] <dequbed> @"bad at vijya" I almost made my LED-wall controllable via DMX512 i.e. RS-485. But then I took a long hard look in the mirror, figured that the drapings look shit and did something else instead. I'm good at things.
L211[15:50:11] <Snai​lDOS> I really... Don't know... Im not good at network.
L212[15:50:22] <bad at​ vijya> since i do m u h firewalls and i'm phasing out samba
L213[15:50:23] <bad at​ vijya> so
L214[15:50:25] <Izaya> got my servers on a different subnet but really that's just convenience
L215[15:50:28] <Snai​lDOS> This will make you all cry... I'm using my default providers router.. You guys crying now?
L216[15:50:29] <Izaya> and flexing with an L3 switch
L217[15:50:38] <bad at​ vijya> nah
L218[15:50:44] <bad at​ vijya> i used a MI424WR for
L219[15:50:44] <Snai​lDOS> what how..
L220[15:50:46] <bad at​ vijya> a long time
L221[15:50:48] <Izaya> I use mine; as a modem B)
L222[15:50:53] <Snai​lDOS> I use tewstra hehehe
L223[15:50:57] <Izaya> > telstra
L224[15:50:59] <Snai​lDOS> HEHEHEHEH NBN HEHEHEH
L225[15:51:00] <Izaya> this does make me cry
L226[15:51:06] <dequbed> Izaya: VDSL2 modems are way too expensive.
L227[15:51:08] <Snai​lDOS> Yes.
L228[15:51:11] <Snai​lDOS> HOWEVEE
L229[15:51:16] <Snai​lDOS> It is a business plan.
L230[15:51:18] <Izaya> dequbed: they basically don't exist
L231[15:51:28] <Snai​lDOS> Sooo. It is smart boi Time.
L232[15:51:28] <bad at​ vijya> MoCA modems are stupidly expensive for what they are
L233[15:51:34] <Snai​lDOS> And it's xtra fast internet.
L234[15:51:38] <dequbed> Izaya: No they do. ALL-NET has them plenty. Just expensive plenty.
L235[15:51:48] <Snai​lDOS> Wait so if I have adsl. Can I get a router on the net. Plug and play it?
L236[15:51:52] <Snai​lDOS> With telstra?
L237[15:51:57] <Snai​lDOS> Just like that?
L238[15:52:08] <bad at​ vijya> i can get a MI424WR Rev I for less than a third of the price of a MoCA modem
L239[15:52:09] <Izaya> dequbed: there's less VDSL modems than ADSL2 modems and there's less ADSL2 modems than ADSL modems and there's a lot less ADSL modems than dialup ones
L240[15:52:27] <bad at​ vijya> and that sob has GiB ethernet
L241[15:52:46] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/ca54fa9aaf2bedf4907169ddb77ba9d32d3fa66748114d7448e548048ea888dd.webm
L242[15:52:47] <bad at​ vijya> *Gib
L243[15:52:48] <bad at​ vijya> whatever
L244[15:52:50] <dequbed> Izaya: Honestly, I just want fiber q.q
L245[15:52:57] <Izaya> so do I q_q
L246[15:53:04] <bad at​ vijya> currently
L247[15:53:07] <bad at​ vijya> i'm on LTE
L248[15:53:08] <bad at​ vijya> :(
L249[15:53:14] <Izaya> did you know
L250[15:53:16] <bad at​ vijya> verizon hasn't set up the internet here yet
L251[15:53:22] <Izaya> most people in australia have faster mobile internet than home internet
L252[15:53:23] <dequbed> (for less money than what my bf would charge to get me FTTH because that's his job and stuff)
L253[15:53:33] <Izaya> "20Mbps is enough for anyone" ~ the previous prime minister, more or less
L254[15:53:34] <Snai​lDOS> DID YOU KNOW MY LINE IS COPPER?
L255[15:53:36] <bad at​ vijya> and i think doing dial up over the phone service would be faster than the LTE
L256[15:53:36] <Snai​lDOS> reeeee
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L258[15:54:08] <Snai​lDOS> > Wait so if I have adsl. Can I get a router on the net. Plug and play it?
L259[15:54:08] <Snai​lDOS> @SnailDOS still curious.
L260[15:54:48] <bad_at_vijya> so
L261[15:55:09] <bad_at_vijya> i hope verizon actually gives me ethernet instead of the MoCA bullshit they used to pull
L262[15:55:10] <Snai​lDOS> Ono he betrayed us.. He's not using discord now..
L263[15:55:14] <Snai​lDOS> I shock
L264[15:55:31] <bad_at_vijya> i don't want to have to use the absolutely ancient actiontec router
L265[15:55:37] <bad_at_vijya> also my internet is eating shit and dying
L266[15:55:52] <bad_at_vijya> like i said, basically on mobile internet on my desktop
L267[15:55:53] <bad_at_vijya> :(
L268[15:56:03] * dequbed patpats
L269[15:56:05] <dequbed> there there
L270[15:56:12] <Izaya> my dude if you're not using XMPP what are you doing
L271[15:56:24] <bad_at_vijya> i wonder if i can get 3G on cricket........
L272[15:56:25] <dequbed> Using IRC my dude
L273[15:56:32] <Izaya> valid, carry on my dude
L274[15:56:37] <bad_at_vijya> my 3G is faster than my LTE
L275[15:56:38] <bad_at_vijya> like
L276[15:56:41] <bad_at_vijya> 90% of the time
L277[15:57:18] <bad_at_vijya> fuck
L278[15:57:20] <bad_at_vijya> probably not
L279[15:57:30] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/fb7ac642df19a1712a35fae2097cdb911776c0a5bb414635d4ca606d519616f9.webm
L280[15:57:32] <dequbed> If I walk outside the city borders of Berlin I drop from 300Mbps LTE to no mobile internet whatsoever within seconds.
L281[15:57:41] <stephan48> ^
L282[15:57:45] <bad_at_vijya> [x] nice
L283[15:57:48] <stephan48> but just outside Hamburg
L284[15:58:08] <bad_at_vijya> depending on how the wind blows
L285[15:58:12] <Izaya> there's a phone tower on the property where I work
L286[15:58:12] <bad_at_vijya> and if a plane just flew over
L287[15:58:32] <Izaya> work has the worst signal of anywhere around here
L288[15:58:33] <bad_at_vijya> i sometimes get sub 30 kbit/s
L289[15:58:38] <dequbed> bad_at_vijya: Just do EME-reflection internet! It's the new hotness
L290[15:58:42] <Izaya> also 3G doesn't have data routed any more
L291[15:59:05] <bad_at_vijya> f
L292[15:59:13] <stephan48> mostly only 2G over here between my home city and work city
L293[15:59:43] <bad_at_vijya> i wanna get my pinephone
L294[15:59:43] <stephan48> besides being in a village them some crappy LTE with perfect reception but no real throuput
L295[15:59:50] <bad_at_vijya> so i don't have to do hacks to get my fuckin hotspot
L296[16:00:20] <Teris> Huh
L297[16:00:27] <Teris> I didn't know that
L298[16:01:02] <bad_at_vijya> the pinephone has higher specs than my current phone
L299[16:01:10] <stephan48> i am really interested in getting a pinephone somewhen later this year
L300[16:01:13] <bad_at_vijya> mfw
L301[16:01:22] <stephan48> mfw?
L302[16:01:23] <Izaya> Mine turned up yesterday /o/
L303[16:01:30] <bad_at_vijya> *tfw but whatever
L304[16:01:36] <bad_at_vijya> anyways
L305[16:01:48] <Izaya> the pinephone convergence package has better specs than my current phone
L306[16:01:54] <Izaya> the OG pinephone has the same specs
L307[16:01:57] <Izaya> my phone came out in 2015
L308[16:02:02] <stephan48> convergence package?
L309[16:02:09] <bad_at_vijya> HOLY FUCK
L310[16:02:11] <bad_at_vijya> 3GB OF RAM
L311[16:02:12] <bad_at_vijya> IN A PHONE
L312[16:02:24] <Izaya> 3GB RAM + 32GB storage, comes with a cute USB-C "dock"
L313[16:02:26] <bad_at_vijya> 32GB OF STORAGE
L314[16:02:33] <Teris> That's not much compared to some other phones....
L315[16:02:34] <bad_at_vijya> i really like the dock
L316[16:02:35] <bad_at_vijya> tbh
L317[16:02:41] <bad_at_vijya> that's all of my yes
L318[16:02:45] <bad_at_vijya> i know which to get
L319[16:02:49] <bad_at_vijya> it'll be worth the $200
L320[16:02:51] <Inari> Really not tha tmuch
L321[16:02:53] <Izaya> Teris: yeah but think, you won't have half of it taken up by android
L322[16:03:12] <Teris> Even if you assume that much wastage other phones still have more
L323[16:03:18] <bad_at_vijya> >other phones
L324[16:03:23] <bad_at_vijya> the best phone i've used was a uh
L325[16:03:25] <bad_at_vijya> moto g4
L326[16:03:27] <bad_at_vijya> non-plus
L327[16:03:27] <Izaya> sure, but then you're still stuck with android
L328[16:03:35] <Teris> Fine with me
L329[16:03:44] <Izaya> don't get me wrong, there are better value phones
L330[16:03:50] <dequbed> Izaya: Even then, I don't think Memory has ever been an issue with my phone
L331[16:03:54] <Teris> I'm just saying the specs aren't particularly noteworthy
L332[16:04:26] <Izaya> Teris: it's 2015 budget phone specs and I'm okay with that
L333[16:04:32] <Izaya> it's nothing massive, but it's not expensive
L334[16:04:37] <Teris> Yes
L335[16:04:44] <Izaya> well, compared to the shit coming out now, at any rate
L336[16:08:59] <bad_at_vijya> i love the dock
L337[16:09:01] <bad_at_vijya> holy fuck
L338[16:09:33] <bad_at_vijya> i can just plug it into ethernet and update everything
L339[16:09:43] <bad_at_vijya> since i have a place to set it with my setup
L340[16:10:34] <Izaya> I know I bitched about it yesterday but it's a shame that the video out is HDMI, I'll need an adaptor to connect it to anything >.>
L341[16:11:15] <Izaya> Figures for cheap ARM gear though
L342[16:11:38] <bad at​ vijya> yea
L343[16:11:49] <bad at​ vijya> got a raspi in my drawer
L344[16:11:50] <bad at​ vijya> lmao
L345[16:12:02] <Snai​lDOS> Raspiii
L346[16:12:06] <Izaya> "cheap" $370 but whatever
L347[16:12:42] <Snai​lDOS> Can I install open os on arduino...
L348[16:12:48] <Snai​lDOS> Intense stinks.
L349[16:13:00] <Snai​lDOS> No not stinks it stonks
L350[16:13:04] <bad at​ vijya> no, unless you port lua
L351[16:13:12] <Snai​lDOS> WUUaaa
L352[16:13:16] <Snai​lDOS> It has eeprom due
L353[16:13:35] <Izaya> consider:
L354[16:13:55] <dequbed> Your misunderstanding of information technology realities does not make them any less of said realities SnailDOS.
L355[16:14:04] <Izaya> an average arduino has 2K of RAM, 32K of flash, and 512 bytes of EEPROM
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L357[16:14:22] <Izaya> that's not enough of anything to store anything in OC even if you put it in other places
L358[16:27:11] <Snai​lDOS> Wait
L359[16:27:18] <Snai​lDOS> Did you just say 2k for ram..
L360[16:27:30] <Snai​lDOS> Lol I didn't relize how under rated it was.
L361[16:27:58] <Snai​lDOS> No dequbed, I meant as surely there is something like open os... Not lua... C cuz it's some c language whatever it is.
L362[16:28:07] <Snai​lDOS> I havnt touched my surdiono in about like idek
L363[16:30:23] <Izaya> "beam dispersers"
L364[16:30:26] <Izaya> mirrors as chaff
L365[16:30:31] <Izaya> I love it
L366[16:35:15] <Xand​aros> @SnailDOS There is no way you could run OpenOS on your typical Arduino, but if you use a proper processor instead (like on a raspi, or even something like an ESP32), you could probably do it.
L367[16:35:15] <Xand​aros> It will be a lot of effort, though, since you'll have to get Lua working on it and then implement all the component APIs.
L368[16:35:15] <Xand​aros> And for what? There's really not much point, just install Linux instead.
L369[16:35:49] <Izaya> ESP32 could be a nice target for it
L370[16:36:10] <Kristo​pher38> You could even run Lua on esp8266
L371[16:36:16] <Izaya> Not beefy enough to run a real OS but has a bare-metal Lua environment
L372[16:36:19] <Kristo​pher38> iirc
L373[16:36:28] <Izaya> yeah NodeMCU
L374[16:36:33] <Xand​aros> NodeMCU did make me think of it, yeah
L375[16:37:21] <Kristo​pher38> Ngl I'd like to run Lua on an esp
L376[16:37:50] <Xand​aros> Never used it, though, so I don't actually know what it does for you. ESP32 with NodeMCU is probably the best option if you really want to get OpenOS to run on real hardware.
L377[16:37:50] <Xand​aros> ARM processors like the rpi are a pain to work with, x86 processors are even worse. Most microcontrollers are probably not powerful enough...
L378[16:39:16] <Xand​aros> I guess the big question is existing software support. If you end up writing your own keyboard driver, display driver, storage medium driver, file system, ...
L379[16:39:16] <Xand​aros> It'll be a big project
L380[16:39:25] <dequbed> SnailDOS "something like open os". There are execution environments for arduino, yes. Not the point. My point is that your question shows your knowledge of things related lacking depth. Not an issue per se, I'm no expert on chemistry. But then again I don't annoy Vex with stupid statements of Chemistry based on my surface-level knowledge but disregarding the knowledge that my knowledge is surface-level.
L381[16:39:34] <Izaya> Man, I'd love an OC machine with an e-ink display
L382[16:39:48] <dequbed> Izaya: Don't give me stupid ideas.
L383[16:39:59] <Izaya> dequbed: they're my stupid ideas >.>
L384[16:40:10] <Izaya> if I had a terminal emulator on this e-reader I'd already have what I want
L385[16:40:11] <Kristo​pher38> Why e-ink?
L386[16:40:39] <dequbed> Izaya: Don't give me your stupid ideas either, I have enough on my own.
L387[16:40:57] <Kristo​pher38> Those have little use besides ereaders because of their response time
L388[16:41:09] <dequbed> And watches.
L389[16:41:10] <Kristo​pher38> I can't imagine running a terminal on one of those
L390[16:41:45] <Kristo​pher38> I haven't seen an e-ink watch but I guess that's a valid use case aswell
L391[16:42:13] <dequbed> My watch has eink and it's the best thing.
L392[16:42:28] <Izaya> tfw terrorist watch
L393[16:42:43] <Snai​lDOS> Esp..?
L394[16:42:45] <Snai​lDOS> Huh
L395[16:43:18] <Snai​lDOS> I SMELL E INK...are those kindles good? Pog
L396[16:43:28] <dequbed> FFS SnailDOS.
L397[16:43:49] <Kristo​pher38> Esp is like an Arduino but with WiFi, (very) roughly speaking
L398[16:43:52] <Snai​lDOS> Well I'm just curious.
L399[16:43:53] <Snai​lDOS> Ohh.
L400[16:44:02] <Snai​lDOS> Wait want there like some custom firmware for those..
L401[16:44:14] <Snai​lDOS> On github or smthing.... - =- I don't even know..
L402[16:44:35] <Xand​aros> Alright, I'm out. My head hurts from all the face palming
L403[16:44:38] <Snai​lDOS> Which one do you recommend. Do they even have basic needs.
L404[16:44:53] <Snai​lDOS> clearly this community loves me
L405[16:45:04] <dequbed> Yes exactly, you don't know. We have established that much. *sigh*. Look honey I don't mean to discourage you from learning. But I *encourage* you strongly to learn without annoying the people that could teach you.
L406[16:45:22] <Snai​lDOS> Wdym annoying.
L407[16:45:30] <Snai​lDOS> I wanted to know about the kindle lol
L408[16:45:40] <dequbed> Then ask a kindle-related community.
L409[16:45:54] <Izaya> Or look it up, I guess.
L410[16:45:58] <Snai​lDOS> Like I know it won't run it. Obviously. But is there some random crap out there that does something.
L411[16:46:16] <Snai​lDOS> alright. I just saw talk about kindles here before 👀
L412[16:46:18] <dequbed> Again. Ask a kindle-related community - which this is not - or look it up.
L413[16:46:33] <Snai​lDOS> ok
L414[16:47:32] <Snai​lDOS> Really a pi would be the best thing to get open os running on. And as per mentioned if I wanted to have lua on it etc etc.
L415[16:47:33] <dequbed> Yes, this channel devolves into stupid discussions about all sorts of things, technological, psychological and political. But if you want to be part of a discussion without being regarded annoying or simply noise then you need to be on the same magnitude of understanding to the other people discussing.
L416[16:47:42] <Snai​lDOS> Isn't there emulators?
L417[16:47:51] <Snai​lDOS> Alright :)
L418[16:47:57] <Snai​lDOS> I'll.. Try.. Ig..
L419[16:48:31] <dequbed> Which you aren't yet. So Please, if you want to learn about a topic ask about that directly. Expect to be ignored, shunted or worse laughed at. There's a reason as well teaching is a job that costs the taxpayer millions.
L420[16:48:33] <Kristo​pher38> Look into LuPi2
L421[16:49:27] <Kristo​pher38> Or just run openOS in ocvm I guess
L422[16:49:45] <Snai​lDOS> Alright then.
L423[16:49:49] <Xand​aros> It's not even that they are ignorant, it's how they go about it. Pretending to know things they clearly don't. And this meme-y language is just so cringeworthy, I jsut can't
L424[16:49:57] <Snai​lDOS> I have many pis lying around.
L425[16:50:18] <Izaya> So many words to say nothing useful
L426[16:50:18] <Snai​lDOS> I don't pretend I know things in clearly trying to understand things.
L427[16:50:24] <dequbed> But be more specific. If your question is "Hey S3 uh could you tell me what's the difference between the B6800 and B7800, Wikipedia is *really* light on that" You might get a good response. If your question is "lol what's an eink" expect to be ignored or sent to google.
L428[16:50:57] <Snai​lDOS> I didnt...- ok
L429[16:52:00] <dequbed> Also, I don't know your age and I do not care in the slightest. But look how everybody here is writing, then look at how you are writing. Notice something? Adjusting to the communities standards of communication is common curtesy :)
L430[16:52:37] <dequbed> Before you joined I can not remember ever reading the word Pog - whatever that actually means.
L431[16:52:55] <dequbed> In this channel that is.
L432[16:53:19] <Izaya> Isn't it some rubber collectible monster thingo from the 80s?
L433[16:53:23] <Ar​iri> play of the game, i presume, seems to be a trending twitch thing
L434[16:53:26] <Ar​iri> ie poggers
L435[16:53:33] <Snai​lDOS> Yep. Again don't think tf but like it is phone.. It is also 12:00 at night here.. And.. Pog is.. :GWseremePeepoGGERS: <-- emote. Nvm your not on discord sigh just remembered.
L436[16:53:34] <Izaya> I seem to remember Jim Sterling being low-key obsessed with them a few years back
L437[16:53:37] <Ar​iri> oh
L438[16:53:45] <Snai​lDOS> ^ you got it lol
L439[16:54:22] <dequbed> S3: Also also sorry for pinging you; don't bother responding I am *very* aware they are completely different machines. If you however happen to have a manual for a Burroughs B7700 or B7800 laying around I am very interested in a copy :)
L440[16:54:31] <Ar​iri> My sources consistent of streaming anime girls, so i was not confident
L441[16:55:03] <Snai​lDOS> "Look how everyone is speaking... Adjust.." I truly would like to write fancy but when it's late i tend to Type differently.
L442[16:55:15] <Snai​lDOS> And auto correct makes everything just way worst.
L443[16:55:38] <dequbed> @SnailDOS well that's good to know. In that case if you're on twitch or whatever people use nowadays do feel free to write that way. But in here it just makes you seem .. like a kid, really.
L444[16:55:43] <Ar​iri> No one is asking you to type ‘fancy’ from what I gather, just better questions
L445[16:56:25] <Snai​lDOS> No as in correct punction, and correct wording.
L446[16:56:31] <M​GR> If autocorrect truly makes things worse, have you considered disabling it?
L447[16:57:02] <dequbed> I mean maybe you do say "Pog" after every sentence, yell half of it half the time. In that case ugh... sure? I guess?
L448[16:57:17] <Ar​iri> I mean... if you’re understandable, I’m not going to be picky on grammar and punctuation
L449[16:57:42] <dequbed> Also, more importantly, please stay on one line. Maybe in Discords interface it's not annoying, in IRC it very much is.
L450[16:59:28] <Snai​lDOS> But my sentences are unreadable lol. Yes I actually tend to flood. Many people do not like me doing that. It's just a habit of pressing enter or touching enter in my case I'm trying to get out of it :). Now I actually never used a IRC client don't get mr wrong I am sorry if anyone is shocked but what is a good client or which one do you guys use?
L451[16:59:30] <dequbed> @SnailDOS And - for my part - finally; don't take this as we want you to leave. I want no such thing, I am happy with every new community member trying to contribute. But I would like to see you adjust to how #oc works and then may even be able to use the absolute trove of knowledge that the people in here represent :)
L452[16:59:50] <Snai​lDOS> No I know. Again remember I think weirdly at this time :)
L453[17:00:14] <M​GR> Have you considered interacting with the community at an earlier time?
L454[17:00:46] <Snai​lDOS> Uhm.what do you mean?
L455[17:01:03] <Ar​iri> SnailDOS try looking around for ‘irc clients (platform)’ on a search engine, but I personally recommend HexChat
L456[17:01:57] <Xand​aros> My favourite IRC client is weechat. Don't know if that runs on Windows, though
L457[17:02:09] <Snai​lDOS> And with my examing of previous chat logs- I actually would go on google. Another thing to complain about. This phone.. Is very. Very slow. I legit cannot multitask without the phone freezing up. So that's why I ask pathetic questions. (And then I google it xd)
L458[17:02:17] <M​GR> If you can't think straight at this time, have you considered talking to us earlier in the day, when you can think straight?
L459[17:02:18] <Ar​iri> WeChat is on the windows store
L460[17:02:25] <M​GR> HexChat is the IRC client I use
L461[17:02:37] <Izaya> removing google is the best way to speed up a phone B)
L462[17:02:46] <Xand​aros> weechat, not wechat. Different things
L463[17:02:51] <Ar​iri> Izaya is right^^^
L464[17:03:13] <Ar​iri> Xandaros, thought so, which is why I specified
L465[17:03:51] <Snai​lDOS> Thanks.. I'll look into it. It always seemed interesting. Hexchat is mentioned alot. I'll check it out. Uhm talking earlier. Not when I game I game. Then I go to sleep and I'm like oh ye.. I wanna see what ppl are doing. Again, a habit. Thanks Xandaros if I SPELT that rrectly cuz of autocorrrvt smh. Im going to disable it at this point.
L466[17:03:52] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L467[17:04:18] <Xand​aros> Looks like WeeChat only runs on Windows with Cygwin. Probably not worth it for an IRC client 😛
L468[17:04:54] <Snai​lDOS> ^ Agreed
L469[17:04:54] <Snai​lDOS> . Cygwin,i had interesting experiences with that.
L470[17:05:27] <M​GR> Well, now you run into another problem
L471[17:05:45] <M​GR> If you're not willing to put in effort to talk to us, why should we put in effort to talk to you?
L472[17:06:50] <dequbed> @MGR Because that's not what any of this is about.
L473[17:06:59] <Snai​lDOS> Because.. Uhm... I have time now.....??
L474[17:07:19] <dequbed> @SnailDOS disregard what MGR said. It's about being nice, not about putting in efford.
L475[17:08:05] <Snai​lDOS> I think he's regarding too that I was game before.. When I say gaming I mean minecraft. Minecraft as in skyfactory which btw has open computers which I was messing around on :)
L476[17:08:07] <M​GR> You said people should adjust to the standards of #oc, does that not require some effort?
L477[17:08:18] <Snai​lDOS> What do you mean by effort.
L478[17:09:18] <dequbed> @MGR no it does not. Respecting the rules of a community is not "effort".
L479[17:09:38] <Ar​iri> I think we're being a bit too imposing now
L480[17:09:51] <Izaya> > meet you at high noon
L481[17:09:54] <Izaya> > space battle
L482[17:09:54] <M​GR> I think we're defining effort differently here
L483[17:09:57] <Izaya> what did they mean by this?
L484[17:10:11] <Snai​lDOS> I hope this didn't start because of me 😓
L485[17:10:27] <dequbed> https://paranoidlabs.org/xmpp/files/60ec897e466daa051904a3b49dd12b02d5aa91a4/dbpQXOkbKyTt4blj7fo7hzjqiwMpE4ko7cx0oz9q/sJjsKTpxTf-bwWZQDqeClw.jpg
L486[17:10:33] <Ar​iri> Izaya: I think they mean when solar flare
L487[17:10:49] <M​GR> I'm saying that if adjustment to adhere to the rules is necessary, that requires some amount of mental effort to ensure you are compliant
L488[17:11:07] <Snai​lDOS> Lol
L489[17:11:10] <M​GR> How are you defining it?
L490[17:11:35] <dequbed> @MGR going off what Ariri said, could you have said that in an any more imposing way? o.O
L491[17:11:51] <M​GR> I'm sorry for giving that impression
L492[17:12:24] <Izaya> Amanda: re EDs, I re-watched episode ... 3? 4? for reference shots of the Odette II and yeah, ED1 is better
L493[17:12:25] <dequbed> Anyway, let's stop that now.
L494[17:12:50] <dequbed> @SnailDOS you are still welcome, go install HexChat if you find the time :)
L495[17:13:21] <dequbed> And don't worry about MGR and me bickering, that just how things work around here.
L496[17:14:10] <Snai​lDOS> Yep will so. It supports command lines. These "IRC" clients I actually have used before sorry, I remebr now. There are many ones on github. Quite interesting. Def will do more research.
L497[17:14:11] <M​GR> I never meant SnailDOS wasn't welcome
L498[17:14:39] <dequbed> I'm not implying such. I just want to give a final statement on the issue and move on.
L499[17:14:50] <Snai​lDOS> No, I understand you, like if I'm up this late why didn't I communicate before. It's just time is fast and I'm crsppy at time management.
L500[17:15:09] <dequbed> We all are. For example Izaya Is. Still. Up.
L501[17:15:22] <Izaya> it's only ... 2 AM
L502[17:15:22] <dequbed> Izaya: Go to bed :<
L503[17:15:33] <Izaya> This is the last episode though!
L504[17:15:35] <Sap​hire> highpaws Izaya
L505[17:15:41] <Snai​lDOS> Quick question. Oc is still updated..... Ri.. Right?
L506[17:15:41] <Sap​hire> THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
L507[17:16:09] <Snai​lDOS> :GWseremePeepoThink:
L508[17:16:14] <dequbed> @SnailDOS yes, but at a - pardon the pun - snail's pace.
L509[17:16:31] <Snai​lDOS> Lmao
L510[17:16:57] <dequbed> Mainly because the maintainers don't have that much free time. But hey, maybe you will be one of those maintainers doing the herculean task of keeping a MC mod alive some day :)
L511[17:17:45] <Snai​lDOS> Oh gosh I don't think so. I can't even learn lua. Because I'm so lazy. Lua is a interesting language. Ig I'll find some guides.... Somewhere.....
L512[17:17:55] <Izaya> %pil
L513[17:17:56] <MichiBot> Iz​aya: https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html#P1
L514[17:17:58] <Snai​lDOS> Is lua fairly new...?
L515[17:18:05] <Izaya> ^ The only guide you need.
L516[17:18:09] <Xand​aros> I've actually been wondering: What is holding 1.8 back? There's no milestone for it on GitHub currently and those Video Ram Buffers look really really nice. Do want 😄
L517[17:18:15] <Ariri> Izaya, relatable, and do you have any dinghy shots?
L518[17:18:16] <dequbed> @SnailDOS Learning languages is hard, don't beat yourself up about it.
L519[17:18:16] <bad at​ vijya> >drop phone
L520[17:18:21] <Snai​lDOS> I never done lua ever.
L521[17:18:22] <bad at​ vijya> >sim slot stops working
L522[17:18:30] <bad at​ vijya> >many reboots later
L523[17:18:32] <bad at​ vijya> >idea
L524[17:18:33] <Snai​lDOS> Do you need to compile it.?
L525[17:18:35] <Izaya> swap to the other SIM slot
L526[17:18:39] <bad at​ vijya> >drop phone again
L527[17:18:42] <Ariri> SnailDOS, I recommend Tutorialpoints stuff on Lua
L528[17:18:46] <bad at​ vijya> >sim slot starts working
L529[17:18:50] <Lizzy​-chan> > I've actually been wondering: What is holding 1.8 back? There's no milestone for it on GitHub currently and those Video Ram Buffers look really really nice. Do want 😄
L530[17:18:50] <Lizzy​-chan> @Xandaros real life for some of the main devs
L531[17:18:56] <Snai​lDOS> OK will do :)
L532[17:19:01] <bad at​ vijya> [meet the engineer]
L533[17:19:07] <dequbed> @Xandaros PR's are welcome :P
L534[17:19:13] <Forec​aster> @Xandaros video buffers are in the dev builds
L535[17:19:20] <Forec​aster> build server is linked in the topic
L536[17:20:19] <Xand​aros> Yeah, I was just wondering about an official release. dequbed: I bet they are, but... which issues need to be resolved for 1.8? As I said, there is no milestone.
L537[17:20:47] <Forec​aster> dev builds aren't official?
L538[17:20:59] <Ariri> >was 46.1C the other day, throughout most of it >is 21.7 this morning, currently shivering
L539[17:21:19] <Snai​lDOS> It's time for me to go. I'm not sure when this server is the most at active point. I'll have a snoop towmorrow as it's the weekend. I will checkout irc clients and I again thank you all for explaining things I should improve on. I'll also try to learn lua.. See how that goes. Gn! :)
L540[17:21:27] <dequbed> @SnailDOS anyway, if you want to learn a language, baby steps and keep at it. Get yourself a book (like a physical one) about Python or Java or Lua and go through it. If you're still in school, maybe go find a study buddy for that there and make checking off chapters a weekly, byweekly thing.
L541[17:21:28] <Xand​aros> @Forecaster You know what I mean
L542[17:21:47] <Snai​lDOS> ^ will do :)
L543[17:21:57] <Ariri> dequbed, any book reccs for Python?
L544[17:22:17] <dequbed> Ariri: For you, for somebody else?
L545[17:22:28] <Ariri> For me at the moment
L546[17:22:41] <dequbed> Ariri: I can give you like a dozen ebooks if you like that sorta thing.
L547[17:22:54] <Ariri> Yes please, ereader coming next week
L548[17:29:16] <dequbed> For everybody else asking the same question, the book with which I learned Python originally is "Learn Python the Hard Way". Way back when it was a website only, nowadays it seems to have been turned into a book: https://learncodethehardway.org/python/
L549[17:35:56] <Sap​hire> Best thing though
L550[17:36:14] <Sap​hire> Is to not try learning "programming in this language", but like.. general? Dunno
L551[17:37:57] <Izaya> wait, there was a dual-audio release of this the whole time?
L552[17:38:28] <Izaya> Guess I'll die.
L553[17:38:33] <Ariri> Rip
L554[17:39:19] <Izaya> I muxed together the audio from a dub release onto the video of another the other day, made my own dual-audio copy
L555[17:39:22] <Izaya> felt clever
L556[17:40:05] <Izaya> https://shigusegubu.club/media/fc3fd3f704463fbe8392bf54470dc7ef0f4d14feaafd8b6b92c1402f1328590f.png
L557[17:40:22] <Ariri> Heh
L558[17:49:19] <Xand​aros> I learn new languages by basically just using them. Come up with some toy project and implement it in the language I want to learn
L559[17:55:07] <dequbed> @Xandaros that works as long as you have previous experience you can heavily rely on. Does not work if you have to learn something so alien you have little experience to work with. Haskell, LISP, Prolog are hard to learn that way compared to the structured approach a well-written book can give you.
L560[17:55:40] <dequbed> Which is why you should learn all of those at school, university or by yourself using books because they broaden your horizon and allow you to pick up new languages easier.
L561[17:56:08] <Xand​aros> Indeed. This works well if you are familiar with similar languages already, but isn't that great if it's very different
L562[17:56:09] <Ariri> Yeah, im pretty towards project based learning but I still like having some structure or guideline or reference of some sort, since I can use it at my own speed
L563[17:57:20] <Forec​aster> time for some space pew pew
L564[17:58:02] <Ariri> Forecaster: hear about the new story arc?
L565[17:58:37] <Forec​aster> story arc?
L566[17:59:46] <Ariri> I thought you were talking about ED
L567[18:00:25] <Ariri> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwvPQpFFNjQ
L568[18:00:26] <MichiBot> Elite Dangerous - New 2 Year Story Arc, Empire Attacked, CGs Returning, New Regular Events | length: 6m 36s | Likes: 1,843 Dislikes: 17 Views: 23,208 | by ObsidianAnt | Published On 10/9/2020
L569[18:01:11] <Forec​aster> oh, I missed that video apparently
L570[18:03:05] <Ariri> Yeah, the fellas at sagi are hyped for it
L571[18:03:10] <Ariri> especially souvarine
L572[18:03:24] <Forec​aster> I don't know what that is
L573[18:04:08] <Ariri> Sagittarius Eye?
L574[18:07:21] <Ariri> https://www.sagittarius-eye.com/
L575[18:13:16] <Forec​aster> ah right
L576[18:14:08] <Forec​aster> so apparently my ISP decided to charge me a $40 startup fee on this months bill for absolutely no reason
L577[18:14:20] <bad at​ vijya> oof
L578[18:14:42] <bad at​ vijya> my ISP isn't charging the $99 setup fee now :)
L579[18:15:42] <Forec​aster> I've been a customer since I moved here several years ago
L580[18:15:48] <bad at​ vijya> huh
L581[18:15:49] <bad at​ vijya> wtf
L582[18:16:12] <Ariri> My ISP did something silly like that too
L583[19:33:32] <Forec​aster> %sip
L584[19:33:33] <MichiBot> You drink a bubbly spice potion (New!). A genie appears out of the empty bottle, turns it into a pie, then vanishes.
L585[19:33:43] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> eats the pie
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L588[20:22:10] <Sap​hire> woofs
L589[20:23:22] <Ar​iri> borks as greeting
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L591[20:44:11] <Shado​w_8472> Something tells me that percistance isn't perfect with the robots.
L592[21:22:38] <B​ob> lies
L593[21:22:45] <B​ob> rather chunkloading is an issue
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L595[21:27:28] <Shado​w_8472> What can't be blamed on chunkloading is autostart.lua not always auto starting.
L596[21:29:02] <B​ob> can't be, and what's autostart ? it isn't a part of open os im sure
L597[21:29:50] <Shado​w_8472> It's a list of commands that are supposed to run when a computer or robot starts.
L598[21:29:56] <M​GR> It is a part of OpenOS
L599[21:30:07] <M​GR> It's a file you can create in the root directory that's supposed to always execute on startup
L600[21:30:42] <Forec​aster> In OpenOS you should use
L601[21:30:43] <Shado​w_8472> I have a robot set up without a keyboard/mouse that mines out a chunk and shuts down.
L602[21:30:48] <Forec​aster> %autorun
L603[21:30:49] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: In OpenOS, in the file `/home/.shrc` put a single shell command on each line
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L606[21:33:34] <B​ob> yaeh quite sure its autorun
L607[21:33:45] <B​ob> and only runs when the system boots
L608[21:38:22] <Kristo​pher38> @Shadow_8472 list of commands is .shrc, autorun is a Lua file
L609[21:38:55] <Shado​w_8472> I'm not totally sure about the exact program, but I do have some script that runs about 1/4 of the time I boot.
L610[21:39:04] <Shado​w_8472> I'm not totally sure about the exact program, but I do have some script that runs about 1/4 of the time I boot my robot. [Edited]
L611[21:40:03] <B​ob> more of a OpenOS bug then but i can't be like that
L612[21:40:06] <B​ob> its not random
L613[21:40:48] <Shado​w_8472> What's the pattern, then?
L614[21:42:27] <B​ob> executes the file on boot
L615[21:44:55] <Amanda> ... computers dont reboot when they're unloaded. Are you sure the computer's actually rebooting?
L616[21:46:34] <Ar​iri> ^theres also a chunkloader upgrade for robots anyways
L617[21:51:15] <Shado​w_8472> I'm talking about power button off and on again.
L618[21:51:46] <Amanda> ... then how is that a probelem with persistence?
L619[21:52:32] <Forec​aster> Ooouch https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/iqpwmr/common_sense_is_not_that_common/
L620[21:52:55] <Shado​w_8472> Because it is two distinct problems.
L621[21:59:09] <Shado​w_8472> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/kiwalumuci
L622[22:01:52] <B​ob> you can always remove the OpenOS middle man
L623[22:02:25] <Shado​w_8472> That was one of my eventual goals: fit the dig program on an EEPROM.
L624[22:04:37] <B​ob> you can always minify
L625[22:05:02] <Shado​w_8472> I have to have heard of it and understand a bit about it first.
L626[22:08:12] <Shado​w_8472> I also heard that the out of the box dig program has some dependancies on OpenOS.
L627[22:08:43] <Ar​iri> Cursed idea: have the second robot chunkload, place down an energy cell and charger as needed, direct them both to it with the waypoint or whatever, and repeat as needed
L628[22:09:17] <Corded> * <Ocawes​ome101> hmmms
L629[22:09:31] <Ocawes​ome101> should i have the monolith installer be like the arch linux installer or is that too complicated
L630[22:10:01] <Shado​w_8472> Again, that would require special code I haven't written yet. (`@Ariri`)
L631[22:10:16] <Kristo​pher38> you should have monolith installer be just `pastebin run <pastebin chars link>`
L632[22:10:27] <Kristo​pher38> make it as goddamn simple as possible
L633[22:10:41] <Ocawes​ome101> currently it's `wget <file>; ./<file>`
L634[22:10:46] <Ocawes​ome101> or something like that
L635[22:10:49] <Ar​iri> I was just throwing it out there, and ultimately youre going to have to write/modify something when youre not achieving the desired resuly
L636[22:10:51] <Ar​iri> I was just throwing it out there, and ultimately youre going to have to write/modify something when youre not achieving the desired result [Edited]
L637[22:10:52] <Kristo​pher38> notbad
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L639[22:21:39] <Shado​w_8472> I know I'm on an intermediate step. The long-term goal is to have a program that reserves some of its inventory for tool slots, carries either an Enderstorage ender chest or ender pouch, makes use of a larger tool, and doesn't get stuck under bedrock.
L640[22:22:33] <Shado​w_8472> What I have is a machine to run the program, not a perfectly ballanced machine/program combo.
L641[22:26:54] <Shado​w_8472> I know I need to spend some time and manually copy the dig program, just to get back into Lua.
L642[23:11:05] <B​ob> you can always get your code reviewed
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