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L1[00:00:49] <Vexatos> you should probably focus on getting that stuff off .-.
L2[00:01:01] <Vexatos> best of luck :/
L3[00:02:16] <Michiyo> I've gotta move the websites down, Jenkins and GitLab servers are fairly important. I'm running a City of Heroes bootleg server that... well I'm just going to have to get the SQL Data and shut the rest down.
L4[00:02:38] <Michiyo> @gamax92 has a VM on here, I have no idea what he has on it
L5[00:02:59] <Izaya> Aha, UUIDs are good, but smartctl -–all /dev/sdb | grep -i 'Serial'
L6[00:09:09] <Lizzy> hmm, just realised that proxmox can only do weekly backups with it's built-in stuff, that's a bit meh
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L8[00:19:11] <CompanionCube> Izaya: isn't that usually visible in /dev/disk/by-id though?
L9[00:24:11] <Izaya> smartctl isn't returning anything useful anyway
L10[00:24:48] <Izaya> ata-ST2000DM001-1ER164_W4Z1BNN4
L11[00:25:09] <Lizzy> smart has never returned anything useful for me
L12[00:25:40] <Lizzy> had a drive that was consistantly failing. smart said it was OK despite the error count rising every few sectors that were read
L13[00:26:21] <Izaya> this is fine
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L19[00:43:33] <Izaya> CompanionCube: I don't think even USPS could break this
L20[00:43:39] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/_czz2t8IJd0r_gjW/w762Pn4UT-iYD5BfKL-rEg.jpg
L21[00:43:41] <CompanionCube> :D
L22[00:43:44] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/wLXCglzfRPcK-BLc/r9KLzFAaQ464oSGpIWohKw.jpg
L23[00:44:03] <CompanionCube> such bubblewrap
L24[00:44:05] <CompanionCube> very pop
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L26[00:48:26] <Lizzy> hmm, i'm contemplating if i should change my mariadb galera cluster to just primary & replica (for doing backups to not lock up the primary) since 3 nodes all running on the same box probably isn't needed for what i have running through it currently
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L28[01:24:39] <Amanda> %tell Inari Good news! I've attached a 30-year old japanese buisness man's soul to your soul for your next life in a magical world!
L29[01:24:41] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L30[01:28:15] <Michiyo> go go plesk migration
L31[01:28:44] <Michiyo> oooooor not
L32[01:36:34] <Michiyo> there it goes
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L39[04:02:47] <Yeehawlerz101> can someone give me the rundown on how to get a robot to boot to open os?
L40[04:03:11] <Yeehawlerz101> I'm trying to find resources and I cant find a thing on the wiki
L41[04:11:27] <Michiyo> Easiest method would likely be to install OpenOS on the drive and then assemble the robot with it
L42[04:12:36] <DaCompu​terNerd> pretty sure robots also can be assembled with a disk drive thing to let them read floppies
L43[04:21:57] <Elfi> Indeed they can
L44[04:22:11] <Elfi> You can install a floppy drive as an upgrade container
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L47[04:42:00] <superminor2> Lizzy: proxmox actually can do daily backups, just hold ctrl to select more then one day at once in the dropdown
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L49[04:50:32] <Ocawesome101> do metatables not apply to _G?
L50[05:02:30] <Ocawesome101> because i'm having issues with them
L51[05:02:42] <Ocawesome101> specifically `__newindex`
L52[05:05:49] <Ocawesome101> i'm setting it to `__newindex = function(t,K,V) if t[K] then error("attempt to replace protected table entry") else print("SET", K) rawset(t, K, V) end end` and while it prints `SET, <thing>` when i set a field it doesn't error when i try to assign to an existing one
L53[05:09:55] <Izaya> ever considered that dwm is an anagram of WMD
L54[05:14:35] <Forec​aster> %sip
L55[05:14:35] <MichiBot> You drink a soft aegisalt potion (New!). Forecaster's feet tingle briefly.
L56[05:14:50] <Forec​aster> Ack
L57[05:15:23] <Ar​iri> Izaya: Wheeled Mobile Device?
L58[05:15:41] <Izaya> sure
L59[05:16:36] <Ar​iri> Willy Managing Driver
L60[05:19:14] <Izaya> Ariri: you were talking about e-readers, your thoughts on the market?
L61[05:20:14] <Ariri> What specifically? Buying an ereader?
L62[05:20:24] <Izaya> yeah
L63[05:21:24] <Ariri> I think since eInk is still relatively new, its a bit more pricey than it will be in a year's time, but overall, the bang for your buck is not bad, and there's a good variety for preferences and support in respective locations
L64[05:21:50] <Ariri> Some eReaders that are a bit fancy are absurdly priced, even if you could basically call them tablets, but overall, not bad
L65[05:22:58] <Ariri> Kobo has some really good ones, are basically on par with Amazon, without having to get into their ecosystem, which Im really glad for in this timeline
L66[05:23:45] <Izaya> yeah I've had Kobo recommended to me a few times
L67[05:23:48] <Izaya> must be something to it
L68[05:24:26] <Ariri> They've got an Overdrive feature, which Ive read allows you to get books from your local library onto it
L69[05:25:13] <Ariri> Havent gotten one yet, but I did a few hours of research into eReaders of a similar range (sub 250, especially in the 150s range) and they seem the best with little compromise; and the no-Amazon ecosystem bonus
L70[05:26:18] <Izaya> yeah amazon is a non-option for me
L71[05:28:35] <Ariri> Im in the US, so I could, but I dont trust them all that much and dont want to get stuck with someone who I dont at least partially trust (like Apple, for arguments sake)
L72[05:29:21] <Izaya> I mean they're available here
L73[05:29:27] <Izaya> books are the only thing amazon sells here, more or less
L74[05:34:45] <Izaya> but I don
L75[05:34:51] <Izaya> t want to touch anything they sell, sorta thing
L76[05:35:03] <Izaya> though, Kobo stuff apparently runs a ... bespoke Linux distro
L77[05:35:23] <Izaya> figured I'd probably end up at least modifying it a little
L78[05:35:43] <Izaya> https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader
L79[05:36:59] <Ar​iri> Yeah, I figured you’d like that too; plus Amazon doesn’t support nearly as many file types as Kobo, not even ePub
L80[05:37:10] <Ar​iri> bc they want you to get trapped in their stuff, likely
L81[05:39:46] <Izaya> OG Aura H20 for $145
L82[05:44:46] <Izaya> Ariri: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/133506686477 ordered this
L83[05:45:42] <Ariri> Nice
L84[05:45:47] <Ariri> Beat me to it :P
L85[05:46:36] <Izaya> will provide feedback eventually™
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L87[06:13:59] <Forec​aster> Can you even get an Amazon ebook off of their platform and into a reader
L88[06:14:32] <Forec​aster> I mean you can, I've ripped some books of there, but it's a pain
L89[06:14:55] <Forec​aster> And they don't want you to do that of course
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L92[06:19:32] <Michiyo> %p
L93[06:19:34] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mic​hiyo 0.58s
L94[06:19:39] <Michiyo> %p
L95[06:19:40] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mic​hiyo 0.69s
L96[06:19:43] * Amanda collapses into a pile of floof around Elfi, stares ruefully at the traitorous clock
L97[06:20:20] * Michiyo sighs
L98[06:20:32] * Michiyo bashes head against... everything
L99[06:22:08] * Amanda replaces Michiyo's skull with marshmallow, passes out now that she's out of halucinatioms
L100[06:22:30] <Amanda> Night nerds
L101[06:23:38] <Michiyo> night Amanda
L102[06:25:15] <Ar​iri> ni ni
L103[06:39:14] <Ocawesome101> hmmm
L104[06:39:43] <Ocawesome101> __newindex is fired when performing `tab[k] = v` even when `tab[k]` already exists, right?
L105[06:40:13] <Ocawesome101> it doesn't seem to be, and ONLY for _G, and it's annoying me to no end
L106[06:50:47] <fingercomp> it's called newindex because it's only called for new indeces
L107[06:51:00] <Ocawesome101> see
L108[06:51:19] <Ocawesome101> it seems to work properly (ie the way i want it to) for things other than _G
L109[06:51:49] <Ocawesome101> ...no, damnit
L110[06:52:08] <Ocawesome101> is there something i can set that gets called on *every* assignment operation?
L111[06:52:35] <fingercomp> don't store anything in the table directly
L112[06:52:59] <fingercomp> use __index to proxy the values
L113[06:53:36] <fingercomp> then __newindex will be called every time you assign something
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L116[07:27:58] <Forec​aster> %sip
L117[07:27:58] <MichiBot> You drink a smooth avesmingo potion (New!). The potion bottle insults Forecaster's haircut.
L118[07:28:10] <Forec​aster> >:
L119[07:40:42] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L120[07:40:43] <MichiBot> Dagnammit! Compan​ionCube! You beat Ocawes​ome101's previous record of 7 hours, 29 minutes and 21 seconds (By 48 minutes and 40 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L121[07:40:44] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk points! plus 0.007 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.21123944. Position #2 => #1 (Overtook Forecaster)
L122[07:40:50] <CompanionCube> aw yiss
L123[07:45:08] <Ar​iri> heckgosh you
L124[07:48:50] <Izaya> galaxy brain idea
L125[07:48:58] <Izaya> actually use the meshing capabilities of minitel
L126[07:49:01] <Izaya> only use T1 wireless cards
L127[07:49:35] <Izaya> they're cheaper than wired modems and basically designed for minitel
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L129[08:20:49] <Izaya> ~w modem
L130[08:20:49] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:modem
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L132[08:51:29] <Izaya> I wish you could upgrade T2 or T1 cases to have a floppy drive rather than a HDD slot
L133[08:52:45] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/RXmNjDR.png
L134[09:23:51] <Forec​aster> Aww man
L135[09:23:58] <Forec​aster> My first place D:
L136[09:24:34] <Forec​aster> %redshell CompanionCube
L137[09:24:35] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Unfortunately you missed with a 9 vs 14.
L138[09:24:42] <Forec​aster> Dammit
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L144[11:52:43] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L145[11:53:59] <Bri​anH> That's a big hard drive Izaya
L146[11:54:05] <Bri​anH> much bigger than my 650MB one
L147[11:55:30] <Izaya> replacement drive for the failed drive in my RAID array
L148[11:56:05] <Izaya> yay I've got enough computers that I can actually communicate between them
L149[11:56:34] <Izaya> tfw running the WoL beacon and Minitel on the same port because your machines all have T1 wireless cards
L150[12:01:29] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/tPsA2Qln0IqN55yt/2020-08-31_18.00.33.png
L151[12:03:15] <Izaya> Ariri: https://zerotsu.z0ne.moe/pleroma/97bb7ca263fc053099a7e31b6e232ed694dbe049b6c10665a7cd02f8aa8f9c59.png
L152[13:21:55] <Lizzy> superminor2, except i didn't want daily backups, i want to be able to do monthly backups for the containers/vms that only need in-frequent backups
L153[13:45:18] * Inari sells Ariri an Amanda feet compilation
L154[13:45:22] <Inari> .
L155[13:45:32] <Inari> Amanda: pls
L156[13:58:00] <Bri​anH> Izaya: Nice dust covers.
L157[13:58:37] <Izaya> ?
L158[13:59:51] <Amanda> %bite Inari
L159[13:59:51] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is trying to bite Ina​ri! They have 5 minutes if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
L160[14:03:07] * Izaya mumbles something about anklebiters
L161[14:05:31] <Inari> %dodge
L162[14:05:31] <MichiBot> Inari managed to partially dodge Amanda. With a 15 vs 12 Inari only takes half of the 5 damage.
L163[14:05:36] <Inari> Amanda: rud
L164[14:05:37] <Inari> e
L165[14:07:48] <Bri​anH> Looks like my buddy put in the air conditioning unit
L166[14:07:56] <Bri​anH> for temperature control and oxygen
L167[14:08:01] <Bri​anH> http://tinyurl.com/yyhto4ar
L168[14:08:11] <Bri​anH> The hood is on rotors so it moves up and down 😄
L169[14:08:52] <Bri​anH> v8 hydrogen engine with a startup battery to pump hydrogen from the o2 gen behind the batteru a hydrogen buffer tank, and a largerr one on the side of the frame with a fuel line to the engine
L170[14:09:18] <Izaya> cute
L171[14:09:32] <Izaya> which mod adds those pipes
L172[14:09:37] <Inari> Amanda: you'd prefer the other kind of compilation? 😊
L173[14:09:43] <Bri​anH> S conveyors, I love them
L174[14:09:50] <Izaya> aaah
L175[14:09:59] <Bri​anH> Under the dump bed: http://tinyurl.com/y5pfbjbq
L176[14:10:03] <Bri​anH> you can see the fuel line and my toolbox storage crate
L177[14:10:40] <Izaya> last I was on a planet I was playing with hoverbike designs https://social.shadowkat.net/media/f7b68f0c1ba38165a65e30c0e919cc9babae7af2230dd2a1a3f47240e1d585fe.webm
L178[14:10:45] <Bri​anH> Inside the truck its pretty good visibility for what it is
L179[14:10:55] <Bri​anH> Driving in first person is actually doable
L180[14:10:57] <Izaya> %remindme 5m start server again
L181[14:10:57] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "start server again" at 08/31/2020 06:15:57 AM
L182[14:11:11] <Bri​anH> http://tinyurl.com/y6brkdcn
L183[14:11:52] <Bri​anH> That thinjg fluers nice
L184[14:12:00] <Bri​anH> What do you use to capture your screen?
L185[14:12:29] <Izaya> just the usual OBS
L186[14:14:10] <Amanda> Inari I'm not sure what kind of "other compilation" you mean, but I've got the strangest desire to bite you again
L187[14:14:21] <Inari> Amanda: See YT link in other net
L188[14:14:21] <Inari> :D
L189[14:14:51] <Bri​anH> Ah that's a good idea. I'm going to try
L190[14:15:46] <Izaya> OBS + Blender VSE + ffmpeg postprocessing
L191[14:15:49] <Izaya> can't go wrong
L192[14:15:57] <MichiBot> Izaya REMINDER: start server again
L193[14:16:07] * Izaya starts server again
L194[14:16:27] <Izaya> Amanda, Ariri: next time I'll reminder myself so I don't forget to start the spengies server like today
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L198[15:02:47] <Forec​aster> neat https://youtu.be/Lv_hdcZAsSc
L199[15:02:50] <MichiBot> Per Aspera Gamescom 2020 Trailer (4k) | length: 1m 11s | Likes: 19 Dislikes: 0 Views: 137 | by Raw Fury | Published On 31/8/2020
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L201[15:21:46] <Inari> Neat indeed
L202[15:51:51] * Amanda takes out a camera she found under Inari's bed in a shoebox, takes a picture
L203[15:52:32] <Ar​iri> rises from slumber, deep in thought
L204[15:53:02] <Ar​iri> Izaya: If I set my computer to sleep, do my dedicated Ram sticks have Rem cycles?
L205[15:53:30] <Amanda> I should really watch S2 of Re:Zero
L206[15:53:35] <Ar​iri> Do they dream about each other?
L207[16:03:52] <Amanda> @Ariri you have weird dream thoughts.
L208[16:04:21] <Amanda> Though I can't really besmirch you for it. I had a dream I was testpiloting russian aliens mech designs, and helping build them
L209[16:07:31] <Ar​iri> Sometimes I can surprise myself with my dreams
L210[16:07:32] <Ar​iri> Had a battle with Tony Stark at one point bc i was genetically enhanced/engineered with stealth and repulsor implants; and he wanted to both test me and know who’s technology I had or something
L211[16:07:56] <Ar​iri> Amanda: Was ir anything like Pacific Rim?
L212[16:08:35] <Amanda> Ariri: more like space engineers. The mechs were small-grid vehicles, and I kept getting in a fight with the aliens, and my sister, about what size thruster to use to keep it aloft.
L213[16:09:00] <Amanda> Also at one point there was a gunner seat overlapping the pilot's seat and dream-me said something like "Let the gunner think he's a pilot!"
L214[16:10:27] <Ar​iri> Outstanding move
L215[16:10:59] <Amanda> also when I say mechs, it was just what my dream caleld them. They were more like flying gun platforms
L216[16:11:58] <Ar​iri> Hmm... that makes me wonder if it’s possible to have a floating base in SE
L217[16:12:13] <Ar​iri> viable, rather, for klang
L218[16:12:31] <Amanda> I think idle thoughts of a large flying base were what inspired the dream
L219[16:12:58] <Amanda> Like that platform thingy the avengers have (had? I've not watched the movies )
L220[16:13:51] <Ar​iri> Helicarriers, yes
L221[16:16:53] <Forec​aster> Hellocarrier
L222[16:16:59] <Forec​aster> Byecarrier
L223[16:23:42] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L224[16:23:43] <MichiBot> Waesucks! Forec​aster! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 8 hours and 43 minutes)! I hope you're happy!
L225[16:23:44] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 8 hours and 43 minutes! Forecaster also gained 0.00872 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook CompanionCube)
L226[16:24:11] <Ar​iri> dagnabbit i was going to steal it just now because dream thoughts made me forget to when i woke up
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L228[16:29:39] <Michiyo> Hey.. have I ever mentioned how fucking slow ESXi is over SCP?
L229[16:29:46] <Michiyo> Cause holy fuck damn.
L230[16:30:18] <Michiyo> 7.5 hours to backup a 16.3GB VM
L231[16:30:26] <Ar​iri> o_O
L232[16:30:34] <Michiyo> my biggest VM is 1.1TB
L233[16:30:46] <Michiyo> I don't think I'm getting all of that off today.
L234[16:31:40] <Ar​iri> Thats what.. 500 or something hours at that speed?
L235[16:32:00] <Michiyo> I'm not even going to try to do the math honestly
L236[16:33:12] <Ar​iri> Its about 1:2, so yeah, 500+ hours
L237[16:33:20] <Ar​iri> Crikey
L238[16:33:26] <Forec​aster> %calc (7.5/16.3)*1100
L239[16:33:26] <MichiBot> (7.5/16.3)*1100 => (0.46012273)*1100
L240[16:33:36] <Forec​aster> err
L241[16:33:43] <Ar​iri> %calc (0.46012273)1100
L242[16:33:44] <MichiBot> (0.46012273)1100 => 0.460122731100
L243[16:33:46] <Michiyo> 304GB, 1.1TB, 615GB, 262GB, 250GB, 250GB, 611GB
L244[16:33:54] <Michiyo> my remaining backups.
L245[16:34:26] <Forec​aster> 506.13 hours
L246[16:34:38] <Michiyo> 3 weeks to backup ONE vm.
L247[16:34:40] <Ar​iri> Does prolonged disk activity and slow speeds have a higher risk/decrease lifespan more so than short high-speed bursts?
L248[16:34:49] <Forec​aster> seems I need to debug calc a bit
L249[16:35:28] <Michiyo> ESXi limits its own resource usage to give more resources to the VMs.
L250[16:35:35] <Michiyo> usually I'd be fine with that, if there was a switch.
L251[16:35:37] <Michiyo> there is not.
L252[16:36:25] <Michiyo> and this is a server sitting in Canada, not like I can just mount it as an NFS share, or grab the data via another OS.
L253[16:37:09] <Michiyo> I know one thing. I'm not going to do ESXi again.
L254[16:37:11] *** MajGenRelativity_ is now known as MajGenRelativity
L255[16:37:27] <Lizzy> Michiyo, my offer still stands if you want a vm/container to just dump stuff on
L256[16:37:54] <Lizzy> %calc 844-220
L257[16:37:55] <MichiBot> 844-220 => 624
L258[16:38:40] <Lizzy> i only have about 624GB of free space on my server but within those limits you can throw pretty much anything on there if you need
L259[16:41:41] <Vexatos> Michiyo, can you not somehow increase the bandwidth?
L260[16:42:10] <Michiyo> Vexatos, nope.
L261[16:44:38] <Lizzy> https://www.reddit.com/r/vmware/comments/90ys32/esx_limiting_scp_copy_speed/ one of the comments here is saying to use vmcp to a nfs share or similar as a faster way to do things, perhaps you could use that in some way?
L262[16:44:48] <Michiyo> Lizzy, my Plesk install alone is ~250GB I could use an Ubuntu VM for that. I also need atleast one IPv4 and 6 if you can spare
L263[16:45:00] <Michiyo> All of those are if you have the server sitting in the same LAN as you.
L264[16:45:08] <Lizzy> ah
L265[16:45:20] <Lizzy> and yeah i can spin something up
L266[16:45:49] <Michiyo> Plesk would keep my websites alive atleast.
L267[16:46:16] <Lizzy> question: do you need any special kernel modules or would a basic ubuntu install do?
L268[16:46:56] <Michiyo> I'm not 100% sure what all plesk likes.. I've never had to do anything special though.
L269[16:47:02] <Lizzy> okay cool
L270[16:47:16] <Michiyo> I've been running on 20.04
L271[16:47:23] <Michiyo> but in theory 18+ will be fine
L272[16:47:36] <Lizzy> i think i have a template for something 18+
L273[16:48:30] * Lizzy should probably go check which of her virtual IPs are currently unnalocated
L274[16:49:19] <Lizzy> actually, Michiyo can plesk handle being behind a NAT (at least for v4, v6 i can sorta direct route)
L275[16:49:27] <Inari> R18? owo
L276[16:49:46] <Michiyo> Ah.. I.. have no idea Lizzy
L277[16:49:55] <Ar​iri> %inari
L278[16:49:56] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: http://i.imgur.com/XoYgHyi.gif
L279[16:50:37] <Lizzy> Michiyo, hmm, i think most stuff should be okay with it, does plesk use any specific ip binds for you or can it just listen on everything
L280[16:50:53] <Michiyo> yeah I have to assign specific IPs
L281[16:51:32] <Lizzy> hmm, okay. let me go see which of my IPs i'm not using so i can route it to the stuff
L282[16:51:54] <Michiyo> ooh, I finally got a reply from the guy I do server admin work for
L283[16:52:24] <Michiyo> if I can make it ONE more month, Naomi's checks start up and we're fine <_<
L284[16:54:23] <Lizzy> Michiyo, how much ram roughly?
L285[16:55:14] <Michiyo> I'm not sure honestly, the box it's on also runs Jenkins and a ton of other stuff, so RAM usage is all over the place.
L286[16:55:37] <Michiyo> I don't need the jenkins and stuff on your side..
L287[16:55:40] <Michiyo> just the web stuff.
L288[16:56:00] <Lizzy> i think i can spare about 40GB or so before i start running into issues with running out of ram
L289[16:56:17] <Michiyo> I.. don't think I need that much :P the entire box has 12 lol
L290[16:56:23] <Lizzy> ah, cool
L291[16:58:52] <Lizzy> ow
L292[16:59:06] <Lizzy> thanks ovh control panel for blinding me
L293[16:59:13] <Michiyo> WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE
L294[17:00:24] <Lizzy> come on OVH, load the damn ip stuff so i can set/get the mac for this virtual ip
L295[17:00:45] <Ar​iri> MUDAH MUDAH MUDAH all the photoreceptor cells
L296[17:01:27] <Michiyo> Damn it.
L297[17:01:39] <Michiyo> the only thing he needs me for right now is something I have never used.
L298[17:01:46] <Lizzy> :/
L299[17:03:54] <Lizzy> there we go
L300[17:11:30] <Lizzy> %calc 8192*2
L301[17:11:30] <MichiBot> 8192*2 => 16384
L302[17:15:56] <Vexatos> very good maths
L303[17:16:28] <Ar​iri> I have up till then memorized but forget the 32768 or whatever number
L304[17:16:39] <Ar​iri> %calc 16384*2
L305[17:16:39] <MichiBot> 16384*2 => 32768
L306[17:16:46] <Ar​iri> oh
L307[17:16:51] <Amanda> apparently not!
L308[17:17:26] <Amanda> I do powers of two in my head when trying to get to sleep.
L309[17:17:36] <Ar​iri> I should try that
L310[17:17:49] <Ar​iri> Might be easier than nuclear physics nonsense
L311[17:18:01] <Amanda> "1 and 1 is 2. 2 and 2 is 4..."
L312[17:18:45] <Ar​iri> Powers of two are probably my only strong suit in arithmetic because of computers and minecraft
L313[17:19:10] <Amanda> I hate math. and I blamethe US education system fro that.
L314[17:19:17] <Amanda> "No! You're doing math wrong!"
L315[17:20:09] <Ar​iri> The best part is, the common core standard makes you explain your reasoning, which you can still get wrong
L316[17:20:27] <Amanda> ofc, because it doesn't match the reasoning in the book, it's clearly not correct!
L317[17:20:28] <Ar​iri> I love the meme “I don’t know how, but you used the wrong equation and got the right answer”
L318[17:20:55] <Ar​iri> mfw just get a free online textbook and copy the answers
L319[17:21:08] <Ar​iri> i am common core
L320[17:22:22] <Amanda> I like the "borrowing numbers to balance stuff" approch to math. like 7+9 is 8+8 so 16.
L321[17:22:38] <Amanda> Teachers hated that
L322[17:22:58] <Forec​aster> I that
L323[17:23:02] <Forec​aster> I do that*
L324[17:23:19] <Amanda> So eventually I stopped trying in math class.
L325[17:23:38] <Lizzy> i still do that, or sometimes if they can't be equaled out, then i just move numbers around till they're at values that my brain has memorized
L326[17:23:48] <Michiyo> I know one thing though... this is all over and I can afford a box again, I'm NOT going ESXi
L327[17:24:17] <Lizzy> yeah, from your mentionings of it i never want to touch it
L328[17:24:28] <Michiyo> It's REALLY nice..
L329[17:24:33] <Michiyo> except for all the things that aren't
L330[17:24:37] <Ar​iri> Tis is the problem with education
L331[17:24:37] <Ar​iri> Still based off of old standards when puberty happened older, so now many children are thinking its pointless in middle school, and career searching is too late
L332[17:25:10] <Ar​iri> I think there’s like 60-70% of students in their last two years who haven’t even narrowed their career interests?
L333[17:25:52] <Lizzy> tbh, i've been in actual work for the last 5 years and even i don't know what i want my career to be
L334[17:26:52] <Lizzy> Michiyo, I've been really impressed with Proxmox so far. haven't done much with it's QEMU-based vm stuff but i haven't had Skye or SCJ complain about lack of performance (granted they're probably not running much on there, but still)
L335[17:26:52] <Ar​iri> Which is fine, but colleges applications are expensive, and going in undeclared reduces the chance of acceptance in most cases
L336[17:27:47] <Lizzy> it makes using containers a lot easier and also less overhead than full-fat vms
L337[17:28:11] <Lizzy> all of my stuff (bar solder because fuck trying to set that up again) is now container-based
L338[17:30:04] <Vexatos> @Ariri, not if you live in a country where college is free :/
L339[17:30:26] <Vexatos> it's actually a big problem in Germany that people start studying without really knowing yet where they want to go, just that they want to study *something*
L340[17:30:55] <Vexatos> leading to a massive lack of people getting trained in non-university professions
L341[17:31:27] <Vexatos> smh corded not splitting on comma
L342[17:31:38] * Lizzy splits Vexatos
L343[17:31:46] <Vexatos> :(
L344[17:32:10] <Michiyo> Yeah.. commas are valid Discord name characters
L345[17:32:20] <Vexatos> pretty sure everything is valid discord name characters
L346[17:32:23] <Vexatos> other than special spaces
L347[17:33:06] <Ar​iri> >free college in Germany
L348[17:33:06] <Ar​iri> >collegeboard in the US charged the full 100+ for each test during covid despite it being 2 questions vs a full 3 hour test
L349[17:33:43] <ThePi​Guy24> woo capitalism, dont ya love it
L350[17:34:31] <Vexatos> imagine finishing uni with more money than you started with and no loan
L351[17:34:32] <Michiyo> k, note to self. Plesk doesn't like 19.10, update to 20.04 lol
L352[17:34:49] <Vexatos> Michiyo, 19.10 is not getting updates anymore anyway
L353[17:35:10] <Vexatos> it reached end of life a couple months ago
L354[17:35:12] <Vexatos> july I think
L355[17:35:14] <Michiyo> Vexatos, re free college https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/5PimYpwkFAW7MjB
L356[17:35:55] <Vexatos> :I
L357[17:37:21] <Lizzy> Michiyo, i can re-make the container with a 20.04 image if you want, 19.10 was just the latest i had on hand at the time of creating the container
L358[17:37:26] <Michiyo> Nah that's fine
L359[17:37:31] <Michiyo> I'm dist-upgrading now
L360[17:37:39] <Lizzy> okay
L361[17:37:50] <Lizzy> i haven't personally tried that so let me know how it goes
L362[17:37:56] <Michiyo> heh, will do :p
L363[17:38:33] <Lizzy> though speaking of updates, i should probably go through and do some on my containers
L364[17:39:06] <Michiyo> Lizzy, 20.04.1 LTS
L365[17:39:22] <Lizzy> is that the one you need, or the one you're upgrading to?
L366[17:39:31] <Michiyo> That's the one it just upgraded to
L367[17:39:38] <Lizzy> oh cool
L368[17:39:59] <Michiyo> looks like it finished with 0 issue
L369[17:40:04] <Lizzy> yaay
L370[17:40:27] <Michiyo> installing plesk and it's required packages now
L371[17:41:04] <Lizzy> cool beans
L372[17:41:12] <Michiyo> s\'\\
L373[17:41:21] * Michiyo slaps sed and herself
L374[17:42:25] <Lizzy> oh i know why i didn't have a 20.04 image on hand, it's cause when i last used 20.04 on a full-fat vm, it's netplan thing really pissed me off so i said "fuck it" and just used 19.10
L375[17:42:59] <Michiyo> UGH yes.
L376[17:43:03] <Michiyo> Netplan is pure evil.
L377[17:43:34] <Lizzy> i don't think i've had to deal with that with the containers yet because proxmox/lxc just handles what i needed it for
L378[17:43:48] <Michiyo> Plesk likes the LTS versions of Ubuntu though, so 18.04 or 20.04
L379[17:43:59] <Michiyo> That.. sounds so nice <_<
L380[17:44:01] <Lizzy> i think my issue was adding ipv6 addresses with OVH's backwards-ass setup
L381[17:44:28] <Vexatos> .-. ok so my plesk login password _is_ working and I managed to get all my data off of it at least
L382[17:45:04] <Michiyo> Vexatos, sorry about.. not offering more assistance last night with that.
L383[17:45:22] <Michiyo> I realized that I wasn't being a very helpful admin
L384[17:45:24] <Vexatos> I mean you're in way more trouble than me and my shitty wiki here
L385[17:45:36] <Vexatos> very understandable
L386[17:45:59] <Michiyo> The good news is Lizzy has given me a VM and I'm installing Plesk
L387[17:46:04] <Forec​aster> admins? helpful? that can't be real
L388[17:46:05] <Michiyo> I can migrate everything over ASAP
L389[17:46:28] * Lizzy sccidentially turns of Forecaster's irc account
L390[17:46:33] <Vexatos> @Forecaster I admin the PCs we got at work and I am the only one ever wanting new stuff so I am very helpful towards myself
L391[17:46:34] <Michiyo> lmao
L392[17:47:40] <Vexatos> does plesk do some sort of auto backup or something
L393[17:47:46] <Michiyo> Yeah
L394[17:47:55] <Vexatos> because I get a zip file that's perfectly up to date
L395[17:48:02] <Michiyo> Ah, no not that ;P
L396[17:48:03] <Vexatos> right in the root of the domain
L397[17:48:08] <Michiyo> No idea where that came from...
L398[17:48:14] <Vexatos> for both of my sites
L399[17:48:18] <Michiyo> it might have been me when I was moving your data from the old machine ot the new one
L400[17:48:24] <Vexatos> a sneaky cronjob?
L401[17:48:25] <Vexatos> oh
L402[17:48:27] <Vexatos> maybe that
L403[17:48:33] <Vexatos> the wiki hasn't gotten an update since january
L404[17:48:44] <Michiyo> that's about when I spun up the new web server
L405[17:49:07] <Vexatos> well I am not complaining
L406[17:50:04] <Michiyo> lol
L407[17:50:11] <Michiyo> I'm about to start the migration to the new box
L408[17:50:12] <Forec​aster> who doesn't love mysterious zip files
L409[17:52:29] <Lizzy> @Forecaster I'm about to upgrade my gitlab server, are you actively pushing/pulling from it at the moment?
L410[17:54:01] <Forec​aster> nope
L411[17:54:22] <bad at​ vijya> holy fuck
L412[17:54:31] <bad at​ vijya> dual universe has been a dumpster fire so far
L413[17:55:05] <Forec​aster> sounds fun
L414[17:55:06] <bad at​ vijya> it's amazing how broken the game is
L415[17:55:27] <bad at​ vijya> wHAT DO I EXPECT FROM A GAME THAT DOES COMMUNICATION WITH A SERVER OVER HTTP
L416[17:55:33] <bad at​ vijya> AND DOES ALL SIM STUFF ON THE CLIENT
L417[17:55:37] <ThePi​Guy24> oof
L418[17:55:51] <bad at​ vijya> yeah i was trying to find my friend's mining hole
L419[17:56:17] <bad at​ vijya> didn't appear
L420[17:56:20] <bad at​ vijya> because mining is clientside
L421[17:56:24] <bad at​ vijya> then synced with server
L422[17:56:47] <bad at​ vijya> also they didn't secure their website correctly
L423[17:56:54] <ThePi​Guy24> nice
L424[17:57:08] <bad at​ vijya> so they just reset everyone's passwords
L425[17:57:08] <bad at​ vijya> and
L426[17:57:12] <bad at​ vijya> the reset page is broken
L427[17:57:15] <bad at​ vijya> http://tinyurl.com/y5dq44fd
L428[17:57:37] <ThePi​Guy24> beautiful
L429[17:57:43] <Forec​aster> `undefined` well there's your problem
L430[17:58:07] <Forec​aster> but if the error is undefined, that means, there is no error
L431[17:58:16] <ThePi​Guy24> problem solved
L432[17:58:55] <bad at​ vijya> i've been having many laughs over this game
L433[17:59:11] <bad at​ vijya> it's like spengies but made in gamebryo
L434[17:59:24] <ThePi​Guy24> ohgod
L435[17:59:51] <bad at​ vijya> it also only uses a max of 8 cores
L436[17:59:54] <bad at​ vijya> which is
L437[17:59:57] <bad at​ vijya> *threads
L438[17:59:59] <bad at​ vijya> which is a
L439[18:00:00] <bad at​ vijya> thing
L440[18:00:17] <bad at​ vijya> it also runs worse than arma
L441[18:00:20] <ThePi​Guy24> not terrible, but far from idea
L442[18:00:21] <ThePi​Guy24> l
L443[18:00:22] <bad at​ vijya> and it runs worse than spengies
L444[18:00:32] <bad at​ vijya> when you spawn in like
L445[18:00:37] <bad at​ vijya> a bunch of massive shit
L446[18:00:52] * Michiyo steals @"bad at​ vijya" 's enter key
L447[18:01:09] <bad at​ vijya> ohno
L448[18:01:12] <ThePi​Guy24> also why does spengies sound like a really australian word?
L449[18:01:19] <bad at​ vijya> i must use ctrl-j
L450[18:01:42] * Michiyo steals @"bad at​ vijya" 's keyboard
L451[18:01:55] <Corded> * <ThePi​Guy24> steals @bad at vijya
L452[18:02:05] <Michiyo> also.. neato new bug with my tab script
L453[18:02:30] <Michiyo> if I try to @ bad here, I get @"ad at​ vijya"
L454[18:02:38] <bad at​ vijya> but yeah, this game has been an experience--oof
L455[18:03:22] <Michiyo> OH EM EFF GEE PLESK INITIALIZE ALREADY
L456[18:03:33] <Forec​aster> no!
L457[18:04:55] ⇦ Quits: Ocawesome101 (~ocawesome@38.65.248.78) (Ping timeout: 204 seconds)
L458[18:05:04] <ThePi​Guy24> plesk machine broke
L459[18:07:45] <Ar​iri> plesk machine go ---
L460[18:08:42] <bad at​ vijya> plesk machine go k̸͚̇i̸͂͝l̷͊͐l̷͇̓ ̸̠̂m̴̱͝e̶̬̕ ̸͈͗n̴̈́͝o̵̖͠ẅ̶͠
L461[18:09:07] <Lizzy> hexchat decided that needed to be on 2 lines
L462[18:09:27] <ThePi​Guy24> gotta love unicode
L463[18:20:12] <dequbed> @Ariri Not just free but if you can't afford free you get a 0% interest loan from the state. With super light conditions which were of course modified for COVID and have stuff like extra money if you're a parent.
L464[18:20:41] <Vexatos> not 0%
L465[18:20:45] <Vexatos> half of the money is free entirely
L466[18:20:49] <Vexatos> the other half is 0%
L467[18:21:09] <dequbed> Yes I know. But we're already making them depressed stop making it worse.
L468[18:21:14] <Michiyo> q_q
L469[18:21:16] <Ar​iri> tis the blessings of smaller countries that know how to manage themselves properly... and social distance, smfh at these infection charts
L470[18:21:38] <Vexatos> 5 years after uni finishes, you'll get the report in the mail, and if you can pay it back all at once you can get another 10% off.
L471[18:21:47] <Ar​iri> D: just stop hurting yourselves already, damn americans!
L472[18:21:49] <Vexatos> otherwise you can pay it back over the course of 30 years or so
L473[18:22:09] <Ar​iri> stay inside like me, your friendly neighborhood introvert
L474[18:22:14] <Forec​aster> the US is basically made out of many tiny countries that are terrible at managing themselves
L475[18:22:20] <Vexatos> @Ariri Germany isn't all that much smaller it has about a third of the population of the US
L476[18:23:16] <Vexatos> @Forecaster they are united in being bad at managing themselves?
L477[18:23:19] <Vexatos> is that what the name means
L478[18:23:21] <Ar​iri> It’s smaller in size by a fair bit and a third definitely helps
L479[18:23:22] <Ar​iri> Plus rough history has a way of making for more enlightened actions down the road, whereas the us has won wars it really shouldn’t have
L480[18:23:54] <Ar​iri> we’re united when it suits our needs for the most part, of for electing/impeaching politicians who are that bad
L481[18:24:07] <Vexatos> @Ariri well more than that it thinks it won wars that it didn't
L482[18:24:48] <Ar​iri> Ah yes, the red white and blue diodes flashed brightly with that statement, acknowledging its validity
L483[18:25:01] <dequbed> @Ariri If Germany would have learned from its history it would look very different today. Europe being more social democrat has less to do with rough history and more with who moved to the US vs who stayed.
L484[18:25:02] <Vexatos> the US are weird
L485[18:25:29] <Ar​iri> Oh well, I’m going to stray away from politics and country bashing now because yeah opinions
L486[18:25:43] <Vexatos> move to europe we have easy health care and free education
L487[18:25:46] <Forec​aster> opinions?! on the internet?! never!
L488[18:25:48] <Ar​iri> dequbed: fair point
L489[18:26:31] <Ar​iri> Vexatos: when i was a wee younger, i had seriously debated moving to the uk and joining the yogscast, it seemed much better than what was going on here at the time
L490[18:26:48] <Vexatos> dequbed, more like after the war the western nations realized that a social democracy is pretty much the best form of government we got right now
L491[18:27:14] <Forec​aster> %sip
L492[18:27:14] <MichiBot> You drink a smooth oculemon potion (New!). Forecaster gains an additional bone.
L493[18:27:31] <Ar​iri> what’s that, 209 now?
L494[18:27:33] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> puts the bone in a vault for later
L495[18:27:44] <Vexatos> @Ariri the UK has expensive education and bad health care
L496[18:27:56] <dequbed> > UK > Bad healthcare
L497[18:28:05] <dequbed> The NHS would like to have a word with you there.
L498[18:28:08] <Vexatos> anyone with mental health issues can write novels about the NHS
L499[18:28:15] <Ar​iri> but game videos = fun!
L500[18:28:28] <dequbed> Vexatos: As if Germany or France have better mental health policies <.<
L501[18:29:31] <Vexatos> from what I know at least we don't have literal years of wait times for appointments
L502[18:30:13] <dequbed> Depends on what you need and how far you are willing to travel. But >1y is quite possible even in big cities with general psychotherapy.
L503[18:30:48] <Vexatos> the french health system also collapsed near the start of covid, I recall they sent patients to Germany because their hospitals were full. Germany did quite well in terms of capacity during the first big wave of infections
L504[18:30:54] <dequbed> It has become better in Germany in recent years but it's not /good/ by any stretch of the definition.
L505[18:31:11] <Vexatos> Germany's advantage is the high capacity and number of large hospitals
L506[18:31:15] <dequbed> That is a .... terrible comparison in /so/ many ways.
L507[18:31:38] <Vexatos> but I heard good things about the french healthcare system in general
L508[18:31:48] <Vexatos> especially when it comes to how easy it is
L509[18:32:49] <dequbed> The French, Italian, British and German Healtcare systems are among the best/most efficient in the world. But they are roughly equal. It's not a case of Germany having the best healthcare in all respects which you make it sound like a little bit at the moment.
L510[18:33:09] <Vexatos> the NHS is really cool because you get treated first and payment is handled after the fact
L511[18:33:19] <Michiyo> hey, can we all agree that they all kick the US Health Care system's ass?
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L513[18:33:23] <Vexatos> but it's horribly underfunded from what I know
L514[18:33:39] <Vexatos> it *would* be great if it had money
L515[18:33:49] <dequbed> Michiyo: Last I checked most African countries can kick your health care system's ass. :p
L516[18:33:58] <Vexatos> yea pretty much
L517[18:34:11] <Ar​iri> Oof
L518[18:34:15] <Michiyo> Yeah, I mean...
L519[18:34:17] <Michiyo> I can't argue.
L520[18:34:23] <dequbed> @Ariri I wish I was kidding.
L521[18:35:08] <Vexatos> I heard for particularly expensive surgeries it's cheaper to fly to Germany or the UK, get it done, take a week long holiday, and fly back
L522[18:35:37] <Vexatos> also the whole "your health care runs through your employer" thing that makes absolutely no sense
L523[18:35:39] <Ar​iri> michiyo, have you seen the covid stats?
L524[18:35:52] <dequbed> Vexatos: Easily. You can get a better surgery sometimes, fly first class and still be cheaper overall.
L525[18:36:01] <Ar​iri> we not only can’t argue, it’s actually against it
L526[18:36:03] <Michiyo> @Ariri, I try to avoid making my depression worst.
L527[18:36:11] <Michiyo> worse*
L528[18:36:44] <dequbed> @Ariri Soooo how about moving to Germany. I'm sure you can still destroy the universe using our shitty internet.
L529[18:37:05] <Lizzy> implying the us' general internet is much better
L530[18:37:33] <Vexatos> I have a story from my professor when he was working in California, he had to get a tooth checked, but his employer (a famous university) only covered inspections from one particular dentist. Said dentist knew of course, so whenever he checked someone employed at the uni, he'd tend to tell the patient they had to pull the tooth, since that would not be covered by the rates the uni set and he could ask for however much he liked
L531[18:37:34] <dequbed> Lizzy: Compared to Germany? It is. More expensive at times, but much better.
L532[18:37:38] <Ar​iri> Michiyo: I don’t actively look at it either, but sometimes it pops up or I see memes about it and I just say “...”
L533[18:38:42] <Vexatos> dequbed, my internet now cuts out twice a day and I have outages every month, but at least it's 50 Mbps
L534[18:38:55] <Ar​iri> dequbed: H-hey it’s not like I actively try to destroy it... it just sorta happens sometimes
L535[18:38:55] <Ar​iri> But considering that space time hasn’t folded in on itself and strange matter hasn’t infected the visible universe yet, i’d say i’ve done a great job in maintaining cosmic balance!
L536[18:39:00] <Michiyo> one thing I gotta say, my internet is pretty damn nice :P
L537[18:39:03] <Vexatos> living the bourgeois life in Germany
L538[18:39:12] <Michiyo> 500/500 $70 a month
L539[18:39:19] <Ar​iri> Damn!
L540[18:39:25] <Michiyo> I could get 1G for like $30 more?
L541[18:39:30] <Ar​iri> I wish i had a price like that
L542[18:39:36] <Vexatos> Germany has bad internet outside of cities and the most expensive electricity in the world, but the rest is pretty great
L543[18:39:46] <Ar​iri> it’s like 120 or something for me for 400/40 max
L544[18:39:53] <Vexatos> (having your own servers at home will cost you)
L545[18:39:59] <Michiyo> our Electricity is pretty good too since we have a TON of hydro power
L546[18:40:18] <dequbed> Michiyo: How's your blackout rate though? Germany tends to just .. not have blackouts.
L547[18:40:18] <Vexatos> it's about 0.25 EUR/kWh
L548[18:40:19] <Michiyo> Up to 1000 kWh: 6.329 ¢ per kWh. >1000 kWh: 7.051 ¢ per kWh
L549[18:40:30] <Michiyo> I've had.. one power outage in the 2 years we've been here
L550[18:40:31] <Ar​iri> cali is moving to 90% renewable :D
L551[18:40:44] <Vexatos> During reconstruction, Germany moved basically all last-mile electricity below the ground
L552[18:40:56] <Michiyo> yeah most of our power is underground here too
L553[18:40:58] <Vexatos> so the only electricity poles you'll see are high-voltage long-distance ones
L554[18:41:10] <dequbed> Michiyo: That's neat. Average in Germany is I think 5 minutes per year black out on average but realistically speaking it's only brown-outs that last for a few seconds each.
L555[18:41:12] <Vexatos> couple that with a quake-free country, and you basically have no outages ever
L556[18:41:14] <Michiyo> back in Arkansas NOTHING was underground unless you were in the 1/2 million dollar neighborhoods
L557[18:41:33] <Amanda> Inari: remember, it's perfectly possible to freeze all atoms and light particles in the world in place, but you can't pause time, because time doesn't exist.
L558[18:42:05] <Ar​iri> time is a linear human construct for the perceiving the 4th dimension
L559[18:42:09] <dequbed> Amanda: If you'd freeze all particles wouldn't the energy just re-singularlize the universe?
L560[18:42:12] <Vexatos> Michiyo, your power is literally less than a third of our price
L561[18:42:26] <Amanda> dequbed: just god things™
L562[18:42:31] <Ar​iri> evidence: when i play games time goes by faster than when i work
L563[18:42:53] <dequbed> @Ariri Do you perceive the 5th dimension though?
L564[18:43:09] <Vexatos> to freeze all particles you'd have to destroy all energy
L565[18:43:16] <Ar​iri> I can neither confirm nor deny that question.
L566[18:43:22] <Ar​iri> Vexatos: yeah, and?
L567[18:43:27] <Vexatos> and you cannot do that
L568[18:43:46] <Forec​aster> you just have to remove the energy from the universe, then put it back :P
L569[18:43:46] <dequbed> @Ariri What was, will be; what will be, was.
L570[18:44:05] <Ar​iri> Vexatos: if that’s what you think, foolish mortal
L571[18:44:26] <Ar​iri> dequbed: and what is, will be and was
L572[18:44:28] <Vexatos> if someone exists who can do that stuff please write a peer-reviewed paper on it
L573[18:44:53] <dequbed> I don't think god has any peers. Last I checked she works alone.
L574[18:44:56] <Ar​iri> would be classified though ¯\(ツ)/¯
L575[18:45:01] <Lizzy> wow, i'm glad we don't live in the US or germany because then my dad would be moaning more about the electricity usage. our current rate is about 15p/KWH
L576[18:45:20] <Vexatos> electricity is really the only actually bad thing in Germany
L577[18:45:24] <Vexatos> it's SO freaking expensive
L578[18:45:31] <dequbed> Lizzy: Just move out and heat your apt with servers ¯\(ツ)/¯
L579[18:45:47] <Vexatos> but you can plaster your roof with solar panels
L580[18:45:58] <Lizzy> dequbed, i have an AMD graphics card or two that could help with the heat
L581[18:45:59] <Ar​iri> reverse radiators
L582[18:46:02] <Vexatos> but those are so expensive it's almost not worth it
L583[18:46:08] <Ar​iri> or an i9
L584[18:46:29] <Lizzy> if/when i next upgrade i'ma be going AMD for my cpu
L585[18:46:33] <dequbed> Vexatos: They pay for themselves within 10-30 years and have a lifetime of 60. Not worth it my ass.
L586[18:47:04] <Vexatos> lifetime of 60 *if a storm doesn't throw a branch on it
L587[18:47:21] <Vexatos> our neighbor has solar panels on the roof they have to replace one or two every year
L588[18:47:39] <Amanda> clear solution, get rid of those useless trees!
L589[18:47:40] <Ar​iri> It depends on use case from what I know
L590[18:47:40] <dequbed> It's not very hard to enginerd your roof in a way that solar is profitable.
L591[18:47:49] <Amanda> I mean, they don't even provide wifi, what are they even for.
L592[18:47:58] <Vexatos> it's only safe to do on tall buildings
L593[18:48:07] <dequbed> Amanda: ... brb breeding a tree that provides wifi.
L594[18:48:09] <Ar​iri> Amanda: Can you get of oxygen while you’re at it? it just sits and slows down airplanes
L595[18:48:11] <Vexatos> so 4 or more floors
L596[18:48:29] <Ar​iri> dequbed: just use the cells to provide cellular, duh
L597[18:48:46] <dequbed> Of *COURSE*! It was this easy all along!
L598[18:48:53] <Vexatos> well actually I work on the fourth floor and there's a tree higher than that outside my window
L599[18:49:48] <Forec​aster> pass a law forbidding trees from growing that tall
L600[18:50:18] <Vexatos> on the contrary, large trees are protected so you're not even allowed to be mad at them D:
L601[18:50:29] <Vexatos> otherwise they get offended and sue you
L602[18:50:52] <Amanda> damn sue-happy trees
L603[18:50:56] <Forec​aster> are you saying they're KarEnts?
L604[18:51:19] <Vexatos> how to ban someone from discord over IRC
L605[18:51:56] <Ar​iri> lmao
L606[18:52:27] <Michiyo> Vexatos, an issue I have actively considered. :P
L607[18:53:14] <Vexatos> /kick
L608[19:17:34] <Ocawesome101> ...
L609[19:17:38] <Ocawesome101> wow
L610[19:17:43] <Ocawesome101> there's a thing i'm working
L611[19:17:46] <Ocawesome101> + on
L612[19:17:55] <Ocawesome101> that only works exactly once every 5 times
L613[19:17:57] <Forec​aster> - king
L614[19:18:25] <Ocawesome101> no, never mind, more sporadic than that
L615[19:18:38] <Ocawesome101> but sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, with ZERO code changes
L616[19:18:44] <Ocawesome101> and i hate it
L617[19:20:55] <Ar​iri> sounds like the ol ‘dingy cat is pawing at your instruction set from beyond the grave and thru corporeal time and space at the same time
L618[19:21:03] <Ocawesome101> lol
L619[19:22:28] <Ocawesome101> it seems to be a sandboxing issue
L620[19:22:46] <Ocawesome101> i'm deep-copying _G, but sometimes it misses things
L621[19:27:09] <Ocawesome101> https://pastebin.com/cZPt1rsD is the offending function
L622[19:27:24] <Ocawesome101> i have this exact function in another thing and it works perfectly
L623[19:27:58] <Forec​aster> maybe it actually works terribly in just the right way
L624[19:28:11] <Ocawesome101> see
L625[19:28:25] <Ocawesome101> it works like that in this case roughly one in every 5-7 times
L626[19:33:03] <Ocawesome101> in standard 5.4 it consistently misses `arg`, `package`, and `math`
L627[19:33:54] <Ocawesome101> oop, now it's missing different ones
L628[19:40:19] <Ko​dos> Listen if your code works 100% the first time you’ve done something terribly wrong.
L629[19:40:42] <Ocawesome101> ik lol
L630[19:40:58] <Forec​aster> crud, nested html forms don't work...
L631[19:41:07] <Ocawesome101> any ideas why that code *doesn't* work though? the exact same code works fine in at least two other scenarios, in both of which it is being used in the same manner
L632[19:41:42] <Ko​dos> Without looking at it I’ve not a clue
L633[19:42:01] <Ocawesome101> perhaps look at it?
L634[19:45:38] <Ocawesome101> ...what
L635[19:45:58] <Ocawesome101> i tweaked one tiny little thing and it works now
L636[19:51:10] <Forec​aster> %magic
L637[19:51:10] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/magic.gif
L638[19:54:38] <Ar​iri> Horace Lamb just about sums it up right: "I am an old man now, and when I die and go to heaven there are two matters on which I hope for enlightenment. One is quantum electrodynamics, and the other is the turbulent motion of fluids. And about the former I am rather optimistic."
L639[19:55:13] <Forec​aster> %choose support noscript or don't
L640[19:55:15] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: I received a message from future you, said to go with "don't".
L641[19:57:57] <Forec​aster> https://youtu.be/Bi_Tp1H9CDs
L642[19:57:57] <MichiBot> Retroreflectors; they're everywhere, and they cheat physics (sort of) | length: 22m 45s | Likes: 9,727 Dislikes: 42 Views: 97,610 | by Technology Connections | Published On 31/8/2020
L643[19:58:22] <Forec​aster> interesting stuff
L644[20:00:02] <Amanda> %choose word or worded
L645[20:00:03] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I had a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about "word"
L646[20:06:01] <Forec​aster> MichiBot, professional Microsoft Office support
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L648[20:08:46] <Ar​iri> she excels at it
L649[20:08:52] <Forec​aster> eey
L650[20:08:56] <Michiyo> badumtish
L651[20:10:52] <Forec​aster> also, previously linked video features a guest appearance by a cat, apparently
L652[20:11:20] <Forec​aster> also puns
L653[20:12:03] <Ar​iri> Paw-some
L654[20:14:14] <Forec​aster> %bap Ariri
L655[20:14:20] <MichiBot> Forecaster baps Ariri with the dead meme!
L656[20:36:38] <Ko​dos> ¯\(ツ)/¯
L657[20:37:02] <Ar​iri> \what does this do\
L658[20:37:10] <Ar​iri> \\what does this do\\ [Edited]
L659[20:37:19] <Ar​iri> Nani
L660[20:58:42] <Aj_the_​Infamous> hey does anyone have a good nuclearcraft code for a fission reactor that focuses on fuel effeciency?
L661[22:16:38] <super​minor2> Lizzy: I get it now. Yeah, monthly backups would be great actually. Sorry, I thought you just didn't see you could select multiple days at once.
L662[22:17:04] <Michiyo> I want to stab the OVH panel
L663[22:17:08] <Michiyo> in the face.
L664[22:17:11] <Michiyo> with the OVH panel
L665[22:17:21] <super​minor2> Overall I do like proxmox though. Especially since most of my stuff is running in CTs, really saves resources
L666[22:17:25] * Lizzy offers her ovh panel as more weapons
L667[22:17:34] <Lizzy> superminor2, saaame
L668[22:17:35] <Michiyo> can proxmox do windows?
L669[22:17:41] <super​minor2> I don't know how they manage to make something that bad
L670[22:17:46] <super​minor2> Yeah but only as a vm
L671[22:17:56] <Lizzy> ^
L672[22:18:11] <Michiyo> I.. just want to ditch ESXi..
L673[22:18:11] <Michiyo> lol
L674[22:18:27] <Lizzy> but the VM can have linux's KVM giving it a boost in performance
L675[22:18:32] <Michiyo> how much of a pain is Proxmox to setup? Buddy at work also uses it but I've never looked into it
L676[22:18:44] <super​minor2> Easy. It's basically debian with a web ui
L677[22:18:45] <Lizzy> not too horrible from what i remember
L678[22:19:09] <Lizzy> granted i did mine through OVH's setup stuff so the actual setup is probably a bit different than what i did
L679[22:19:19] <super​minor2> The only thing you have to do is go in and add the community repository to apt so that you get free updates
L680[22:19:38] <super​minor2> Also make sure you like the IP address you pick because you aren't going to want to change it lol
L681[22:19:59] <Lizzy> IP changing? what do you mean?
L682[22:22:40] <super​minor2> The management IP. I just looked and apparently it is doable now so I either don't remember correctly or it is because I have a cluster and changing the ip address of nodes in a cluster is near impossible.
L683[22:22:41] <super​minor2> That isn't really a complaint I was just mentioning it
L684[22:23:21] <Lizzy> ah, i don't have the money or usage need to justify more than one server so i haven't dealt with that at all
L685[22:23:44] <Michiyo> Well, I'm either going Hyper-V or Proxmox for my next setup then
L686[22:24:02] <Michiyo> I've been using Hyper-V on my home network and I love it.
L687[22:24:37] <Michiyo> ok, well I've got a ton of DNS records to update it seems.
L688[22:24:40] <Lizzy> if you have a lot of windows boxes, then hyperv might make more sense, but linux stuff will probably have less overhead in a container in proxmox
L689[22:24:51] <Michiyo> I do run a lot of Windows..
L690[22:24:57] <Michiyo> but I also run a lot of *nix :p
L691[22:25:08] <Michiyo> ATM I have 9 VMs and it's 5 linux 4 windows IIRC
L692[22:25:30] <Michiyo> yep,
L693[22:25:46] <Michiyo> 3 are for City of Heroes/Space Engineers, #4 is Bast
L694[22:26:22] <Michiyo> the 5 Linux VMs are Web, GitLab, gamax's box old Eos that I keep around in case stuff explodes and a tiny VPN router
L695[22:28:01] <Lizzy> hmm, i mean personally i'd say proxmox because that's what i know and hyperv just gives me headaches whenever i try to use it at work
L696[22:29:44] <Lizzy> also i think my proxmox mailgateway hasn't been accessible via ipv6 for a bit
L697[22:31:26] <Lizzy> meh, will add that to my todo list
L698[22:31:46] <Michiyo> Hmmm
L699[22:31:49] <Michiyo> the migration finished.
L700[22:31:54] <Michiyo> but plesk says I have one domain.
L701[22:32:04] <Michiyo> I don't know how to tell it this.. but I have a lot more than 1 domain.
L702[22:32:14] <Lizzy> lol
L703[22:32:43] <Michiyo> I have a concern.
L704[22:35:07] <Lizzy> uhoh
L705[22:40:41] <Michiyo> .... Plesk
L706[22:40:43] <Michiyo> Wheres my stuff
L707[22:41:02] <CompanionCube> UHOH?
L708[22:42:28] <Michiyo> welp... I hear a bridge calling my name.
L709[22:47:49] <Michiyo> I mean the good news is the data is here
L710[22:48:05] <Michiyo> it's just plesk doesn't think the vhosts are
L711[22:48:09] <Izaya> get hype
L712[22:48:12] <Izaya> rego check today
L713[22:48:19] <Izaya> should have transport by the end of the week
L714[22:50:41] <Michiyo> Lizzy, is 104.248.123.152 one of yours?
L715[22:50:51] <Lizzy> nope, think that's one of yours
L716[22:50:59] <Lizzy> or rather, not mine
L717[22:51:07] <Michiyo> Ah, it looks like a DO address
L718[22:51:08] <Michiyo> hmm
L719[22:52:02] <Michiyo> looks like it's NOT one that I control anymore.
L720[22:52:03] <Michiyo> neato.
L721[22:52:05] <Michiyo> ._.
L722[22:52:28] <Lizzy> 51.86.86 is the range my failovers are for Bode, 213.32.62 is my old range on my vrack that i think is only assigned to Skye's vm (and i think that was just for a transition period, which has probably long passed now.. oh well)
L723[22:53:06] <Michiyo> my.. mouse just quit
L724[22:53:10] <Michiyo> FUCKS SAKE
L725[22:53:36] * Lizzy picks up her youngest kitten who just pounced on Michiyo's mouse
L726[22:53:39] <Lizzy> sorry about that
L727[22:53:48] <Michiyo> totally dead.
L728[22:53:56] <Lizzy> :/
L729[22:54:42] <Skye> Lizzy, meep?
L730[22:55:28] <Lizzy> Skye, was just saying how i think your vm is still using one of my older 213.32.62 addresses (or at least has it assigned according to proxmox)
L731[22:55:34] <Lizzy> also, Skye is a cuutie
L732[22:55:35] <Skye> oops
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L734[22:56:38] <Lizzy> it doesn't really make much difference to me, i don't get any money back by selling the IPs back to ovh and it's only able to operate at 100mbps on my current server (hence me not using them)
L735[22:57:11] <Skye> so my serfer can only operate at 100mbps
L736[22:57:11] <Skye> :P
L737[22:58:04] <Lizzy> err, yes. though you also have the 51.89.86 range which is 10Gig in 1Gig out
L738[22:58:33] <Lizzy> also any ipv6 connections to your vps are going out the 10G/1G interface
L739[22:58:49] <Skye> so wait
L740[22:58:53] <Skye> my VPS uses two things
L741[22:59:21] <Lizzy> your vps has both assigned. it'll be up to whatever your dns records point to as to what's being used
L742[23:00:26] <Lizzy> i think we ran both for a time because when i was moving stuff over you were busy so i just added both
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L745[23:28:02] <CompanionCube> Izaya: TIL: https://jmp.chat/
L746[23:33:32] <Michiyo> \o/
L747[23:33:43] <Michiyo> Theres my list of domains
L748[23:34:24] <Lizzy> woo
L749[23:34:50] <Michiyo> neat and I can even still login using my old info.
L750[23:35:00] <Michiyo> now to move DNS over.
L751[23:40:27] <Ar​iri> it’s always dns
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L753[23:40:55] <Michiyo> Always, without fail.
L754[23:43:30] <Aj_the_​Infamous> welp i guess i dont need that code anymore because i made a work around
L755[23:43:42] <Bri​anH> Whatchya doin
L756[23:44:16] <Aj_the_​Infamous> was trying to get an open computers program for controling a reactor and making it more fuel effecient
L757[23:45:09] <Aj_the_​Infamous> i wanted to get a program but the only reactor control i kept finding was anti explosion control
L758[23:45:28] <Bri​anH> Make your own 😄
L759[23:45:45] <Aj_the_​Infamous> i suck at making code
L760[23:47:13] <Bri​anH> Takes practice
L761[23:47:57] <Bri​anH> nobody comes out of college witha computer science degree having known nothing before they started and can call themselves a good programmer.
L762[23:48:59] <Bri​anH> I went to school myself, but I only got where I was with experience, because I've been doing it for 25 years
L763[23:49:32] <Bri​anH> So my advice, is to work on it, and eventually it will get better 🙂
L764[23:49:35] <Bri​anH> (One would hope)
L765[23:49:50] <Ar​iri> Aj: iirc, the reactor component gives you fuel efficiency, so it shouldnt be too hard to make a small script after some reading of OC and Lua docs
L766[23:51:16] <Izaya> CompanionCube: Yeah it's neat
L767[23:51:50] <Izaya> In other news, just put my bike in for a rego check, only rode it unregistered past a mobile speed camera
L768[23:51:53] <Izaya> This is fine
L769[23:56:46] <Michiyo> "Applying the DNS zone template.: 40%"
L770[23:56:52] <Michiyo> But that's what you said 5 minutes ago!
L771[23:57:29] <Bri​anH> why on earth would it be taking any ammount of time to do that
L772[23:57:49] <Bri​anH> Is this some sort of online DNS zone editor?
L773[23:59:52] <Michiyo> I have a ton of domains and it's having to update all of them from my old IP to my new one
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