L1[00:00:32] 
<Saghetti>
where you can ~~mock my terrible c code~~ check out the
source
<Saghetti>
where you can ~~mock my terrible c code~~ check out the
sourceL2[00:00:39] <Saghetti>
it's 1% finished though
<Saghetti>
it's 1% finished thoughL3[00:00:44] <Kristopher38> never played any of the
pokemon games, let me google how that particular one looks
<Kristopher38> never played any of the
pokemon games, let me google how that particular one looksL4[00:00:55] <Saghetti>
the only thing that i've completed so far is dungeon
rendering
<Saghetti>
the only thing that i've completed so far is dungeon
renderingL6[00:01:27] <Kristopher38> nice colorful themes,
tile-map, topdown look, rpg UI
<Kristopher38> nice colorful themes,
tile-map, topdown look, rpg UIL7[00:01:38] <Kristopher38> nice
<Kristopher38> niceL8[00:01:46] <Saghetti>
using the beach cave tileset
<Saghetti>
using the beach cave tilesetL9[00:01:56] <Kristopher38> I bet you're having fun
writing this
<Kristopher38> I bet you're having fun
writing thisL10[00:02:04] <Saghetti>
mad props to the pmd romhackers who were able to dump all of the
tileset data
<Saghetti>
mad props to the pmd romhackers who were able to dump all of the
tileset dataL11[00:02:09] <Saghetti>
and reverse engineer the formats
<Saghetti>
and reverse engineer the formatsL12[00:02:17] <Saghetti>
without them, this entire thing wouldn't be possible
<Saghetti>
without them, this entire thing wouldn't be possibleL13[00:02:34] <Saghetti>
yeah, this is a lot more fun than terrabungee tbh
<Saghetti>
yeah, this is a lot more fun than terrabungee tbhL14[00:02:47] <Saghetti>
only thing that i don't like is mingw
<Saghetti>
only thing that i don't like is mingwL15[00:02:59] <Kristopher38> I've noticed on the olc
server
<Kristopher38> I've noticed on the olc
serverL16[00:03:53] <Kristopher38> there's almost always extra
hassle on windows to set up things so that they compile
properly
<Kristopher38> there's almost always extra
hassle on windows to set up things so that they compile
properlyL17[00:05:05] <Saghetti>
yeah
<Saghetti>
yeahL18[00:05:38] <Saghetti>
that's why I have separate mingw32 build targets inside of my
config
<Saghetti>
that's why I have separate mingw32 build targets inside of my
configL19[00:05:47] <Saghetti>
(clientmingw32 and servermingw32)
<Saghetti>
(clientmingw32 and servermingw32)L20[00:05:59] <Saghetti>
they have all of the extra arguments and crap that mingw
needs
<Saghetti>
they have all of the extra arguments and crap that mingw
needsL21[00:06:49] <Saghetti>
couldn't get cygwin to work because it needs an xorg server to be
running, and that's too non-user friendly
<Saghetti>
couldn't get cygwin to work because it needs an xorg server to be
running, and that's too non-user friendlyL22[00:07:16] <Kristopher38> does it? ugh I've only ever
tried cygwin once
<Kristopher38> does it? ugh I've only ever
tried cygwin onceL23[00:07:24] <Ariri>
Michiyo: How much did you get the Prusas for? Been looking to get a
3d printer (once I replace my paper printer) but dont want to spend
too much on it for light use
<Ariri>
Michiyo: How much did you get the Prusas for? Been looking to get a
3d printer (once I replace my paper printer) but dont want to spend
too much on it for light useL24[00:08:31] <Kristopher38> i've been still slowly
working on my OC self replicating robot project, and on a part of
an autocrafting system with OC, specifically machine crafting with
thermal's machines, it's going to connect into a bigger system
which manages the whole storage and standard crafting as well
<Kristopher38> i've been still slowly
working on my OC self replicating robot project, and on a part of
an autocrafting system with OC, specifically machine crafting with
thermal's machines, it's going to connect into a bigger system
which manages the whole storage and standard crafting as wellL25[00:08:48] <Michiyo> I bought the kit,
which means I assembled it for $798.27 including shipping
L26[00:08:51] <Saghetti>
console apps work fine, but sdl2 says "Failed to find video
device"
<Saghetti>
console apps work fine, but sdl2 says "Failed to find video
device"L27[00:09:20] <Ariri>
Ah
<Ariri>
AhL28[00:09:37] <Michiyo> Roommate and I
assembled it in about 6 hours or so
L29[00:09:42] <Kristopher38> oh
<Kristopher38> ohL30[00:09:43] <Michiyo> came with a spool
of PLA
L31[00:09:57] <Ariri> Not
bad
<Ariri> Not
badL32[00:10:05] <Michiyo> I'll be getting the
MMU kit come tax season
L33[00:10:10] <Michiyo> so I'll be able to
do neat stuff with that
L34[00:10:14] <Kristopher38> would this be related to
what libs get linked when you're on cygwin?
<Kristopher38> would this be related to
what libs get linked when you're on cygwin?L35[00:10:24] <t20kdc> Saghetti: https://www.msys2.org/ <- this is generally more
usable
L36[00:10:35] <Kristopher38> I might be talking absolute
gibberish rn
<Kristopher38> I might be talking absolute
gibberish rnL37[00:10:53] <Michiyo> I ordered by kit
with just the single textured bed sheet, I was going to grab the
smooth but I've not seen a reason to.
L38[00:11:00] <Michiyo> the textured PEI
sheet has been amazingf
L39[00:11:00] <t20kdc> (note though that
msys2 is for building Windows applications while using a Unixy
build environment)
L40[00:11:30] <Saghetti>
when googling around for cygwin sdl2, it turned out that I had to
have an xorg server running
<Saghetti>
when googling around for cygwin sdl2, it turned out that I had to
have an xorg server runningL41[00:11:36] <Saghetti>
it compiles just fine
<Saghetti>
it compiles just fineL42[00:12:09] <Saghetti>
and my experience with lua programming from OC is going to help me
a lot here, too
<Saghetti>
and my experience with lua programming from OC is going to help me
a lot here, tooL43[00:12:32] <Saghetti>
looking to integrate Lua with the server to allow for plugins and
modding
<Saghetti>
looking to integrate Lua with the server to allow for plugins and
moddingL44[00:12:40] <Kristopher38> I've seen that coming
<Kristopher38> I've seen that comingL45[00:12:59] <Kristopher38> I want to integrate lua
into my raycaster-dungeon project that i'm writing in c++
<Kristopher38> I want to integrate lua
into my raycaster-dungeon project that i'm writing in c++L46[00:13:13] <Ariri>
Noice
<Ariri>
NoiceL47[00:13:15] <Saghetti>
yeah, I have msys installed
<Saghetti>
yeah, I have msys installedL48[00:13:22] <Saghetti>
but I'm just going to use mingw for now
<Saghetti>
but I'm just going to use mingw for nowL49[00:13:51] <Saghetti>
as the real problem is things like bsd sockets and pthreads not
being available on mingw
<Saghetti>
as the real problem is things like bsd sockets and pthreads not
being available on mingwL50[00:14:03] <Kristopher38> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719164927121686548/734876762881654826/unknown.png
<Kristopher38> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719164927121686548/734876762881654826/unknown.pngL51[00:14:07] <Kristopher38> (ignore the window
title)
<Kristopher38> (ignore the window
title)L52[00:14:32] <Kristopher38> did you get wrappers for
pthreads?
<Kristopher38> did you get wrappers for
pthreads?L53[00:14:39] <Saghetti>
yeah
<Saghetti>
yeahL54[00:15:02] <Saghetti>
I was just about to mention that pthreads-win32 worked great for my
purposes
<Saghetti>
I was just about to mention that pthreads-win32 worked great for my
purposesL57[00:15:17] <Ariri>
Testing my Gryphon-class fighter mock: Its already proven itself in
pirate surprises, but SSTO possibility is unknown. Else itll be a
very fast vtol with a redundant jump drive
<Ariri>
Testing my Gryphon-class fighter mock: Its already proven itself in
pirate surprises, but SSTO possibility is unknown. Else itll be a
very fast vtol with a redundant jump driveL58[00:15:23] <Saghetti>
that raycasing engine looks pretty cool
<Saghetti>
that raycasing engine looks pretty coolL59[00:16:45] <Ariri>
Thanks
<Ariri>
ThanksL60[00:17:13] <Kristopher38> I've got a soft spot for
2.5D graphics feel
<Kristopher38> I've got a soft spot for
2.5D graphics feelL61[00:18:01] ⇦
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L62[00:18:13] <Kristopher38> like the one in TES
Arena
<Kristopher38> like the one in TES
ArenaL64[00:19:01] <Ariri>
Fun
<Ariri>
FunL65[00:19:26] <dequbed> Ariri: Just get a
Polyjet Eden! They are a joy to work with.
L66[00:19:44] <Kristopher38> @Ariri those curves look
really good, the ship itself reminds me of space shuttle
<Kristopher38> @Ariri those curves look
really good, the ship itself reminds me of space shuttleL67[00:20:46] <Ariri>
Thank thank
<Ariri>
Thank thankL68[00:20:46] <Ariri> It
probably looks more like a Fed. style space shuttle than the
gryphon fighter
<Ariri> It
probably looks more like a Fed. style space shuttle than the
gryphon fighterL70[00:21:32] <Kristopher38> @Saghetti i'm adding
support for importing maps from Tiled editor, so almost everything
would be data-driven
<Kristopher38> @Saghetti i'm adding
support for importing maps from Tiled editor, so almost everything
would be data-drivenL71[00:21:45] <Kristopher38> and it'd be easily moddable
that way
<Kristopher38> and it'd be easily moddable
that wayL72[00:22:16] <Kristopher38> though i'm probably
overextending the scope of this project
<Kristopher38> though i'm probably
overextending the scope of this projectL73[00:22:37] <Saghetti>
I'm thinking of using Lua to do all of the map generation for
openpmd
<Saghetti>
I'm thinking of using Lua to do all of the map generation for
openpmdL74[00:22:44] <Saghetti>
faster prototyping
<Saghetti>
faster prototypingL75[00:23:17] <Kristopher38> that's fair
<Kristopher38> that's fairL76[00:23:26] <Saghetti>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HuJIEOtTYCtSHK6R-sp4LC2gk1RDL_mfoFL6Qn_wdkE/edit
<Saghetti>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HuJIEOtTYCtSHK6R-sp4LC2gk1RDL_mfoFL6Qn_wdkE/editL77[00:23:30] <Kristopher38> you could even reload
mid-game :D
<Kristopher38> you could even reload
mid-game :DL78[00:23:46] <Kristopher38> oh wow
<Kristopher38> oh wowL79[00:23:54] <Saghetti>
this is the document containing the reverse engineered dungeon
generation algorithm
<Saghetti>
this is the document containing the reverse engineered dungeon
generation algorithmL80[00:23:57] <Ocawesome101> my primary
project for a while now (3-4 months!) is monolith
L81[00:24:07] <Ocawesome101> did i mention
the manual pages are all online?
L82[00:24:10] <Saghetti>
it would be a massive pain to write all this in c
<Saghetti>
it would be a massive pain to write all this in cL83[00:24:15] <Kristopher38> I've noticed nintendo has a
large concentration of autists reverse engineering their
stuff
<Kristopher38> I've noticed nintendo has a
large concentration of autists reverse engineering their
stuffL84[00:24:45] <Saghetti>
therefore I won't (or maybe I will, if I need the speed or
smth)
<Saghetti>
therefore I won't (or maybe I will, if I need the speed or
smth)L85[00:25:04] <Saghetti>
the people who reverse engineered this are pretty cool though
<Saghetti>
the people who reverse engineered this are pretty cool thoughL86[00:25:18] <Kristopher38> like, name any other
company that gets that much of its stuff reverse engineered
<Kristopher38> like, name any other
company that gets that much of its stuff reverse engineeredL87[00:25:27] <Saghetti>
none
<Saghetti>
noneL88[00:25:34] <dequbed> Ariri: Less
sarcastic though: At a lab I worked at they bought some rather
cheap chinese printers for some comparatively good results. On the
order of 200-400 EUR. Might be a decent starting point.
L89[00:25:54] <Kristopher38> i'm not saying autists in a
bad way
<Kristopher38> i'm not saying autists in a
bad wayL90[00:26:08] <dequbed> I mean if you can,
totally go for that Eden as well. But they are a fucking pain and a
half in the ass.
L91[00:26:51] <Kristopher38> this is good kind of
autism
<Kristopher38> this is good kind of
autismL92[00:26:56] <Ariri> I
was worried you werent sarcastic and I nearly gave up on the
premise
<Ariri> I
was worried you werent sarcastic and I nearly gave up on the
premiseL93[00:26:56] <Ariri> I
was thinking an Ender around that range, still looking around
<Ariri> I
was thinking an Ender around that range, still looking aroundL94[00:28:38] <dequbed> Ariri please don't
buy the Printer costing literally 6 figures and being able to print
soft materials and interlocking mechanism unless you *need* that.
And then keep in mind that they cost about 2 EUR per gram to print.
And they are annoying as *fuck* to work with and to properly clean
the soluble stabilizer you need a washing solution + machine
running you another 5 figures.
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L97[00:29:27] <Ariri>
Thanks for the advice :^P
<Ariri>
Thanks for the advice :^PL98[00:30:04] <Ocawesome101> who is
zsh?
L99[00:30:26] <Amanda> @Kristopher38 I
mean.. every console has a lot of reveng stuff, for homebrew,
cracks, etc
L100[00:31:18] <Amanda> Microsoft put
unresetablle fuses in one of the xboxes to make it so they could
update, and force never allowing a downgrade, just to get done in
by a bug in the DVD drives firmware
L101[00:31:25] <dequbed> I mean they are
tons of fun; You can print moving mechanism to a insane degree of
accuracy, print in 8 colours for the lulz, do overhands like
there's no tomorrow and print micrometer-thin walls .... but the
material refill is 300 EUR for the smallest size of the cheapest
material and goes up two order of mag for the fancy shit.
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L103[00:32:16] <dequbed> Also they are
literally tons of fun because those bitches are *heavy*.
L104[00:33:27] <dequbed> They are the
electric discharge machine kind of fun: Felt cute, might kill you
later.
L105[00:36:00] <Saghetti>
why get one of those when you can just use OC's 3d printers?
<Saghetti>
why get one of those when you can just use OC's 3d printers?L106[00:36:15] <Kristopher38> gottem 👌
<Kristopher38> gottem 👌L107[00:36:22] <Ocawesome101> ayy
L108[00:36:43] <Saghetti>
PSA: winsock is trash
<Saghetti>
PSA: winsock is trashL109[00:36:48] <Saghetti>
ok back to programming now
<Saghetti>
ok back to programming nowL110[00:36:59] <Saghetti>
oh and all the other win32 APIs*
<Saghetti>
oh and all the other win32 APIs*L111[00:37:01] <dequbed> Because OC's
printer doesn't work on the principle of "Everything is a
conductor if you just make it a plasma" Saghetti.
L112[00:37:15] <Amanda> winsock is the
"Can I copy your homework" "Just make it
different" of the Berkey Sockets, isn'tit?
L113[00:37:16] <Ocawesome101>
s/winsock/windows/
L114[00:37:16] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
windows is the "Can I copy your homework" "Just make
it different" of the Berkey Sockets, isn'tit?
L115[00:37:23] <Ocawesome101>
ooooops
L116[00:37:39] <Ocawesome101> s/winsock is
trash/windows is trash/
L117[00:37:39] <MichiBot> <Saghetti>
PSA: windows is trash
L118[00:37:42] <Ocawesome101> there
L119[00:37:46] <Ocawesome101> ftfy
L120[00:39:46] <Kristopher38> I started writing quick and
dirty text editor just because I felt like it
<Kristopher38> I started writing quick and
dirty text editor just because I felt like itL121[00:39:54] <Ocawesome101> oh?
L122[00:40:00] <Ocawesome101> for OC or
IRL?
L123[00:40:15] <Kristopher38> The real reason is that I
want to use GPU buffers in it
<Kristopher38> The real reason is that I
want to use GPU buffers in itL124[00:40:18] <Kristopher38> For OC
<Kristopher38> For OCL125[00:40:22] <Ocawesome101> i see
L126[00:40:29] <Kristopher38> And to show you that it's
doable 😠
<Kristopher38> And to show you that it's
doable 😠L127[00:40:35] <Ocawesome101>
hahahaha
L128[00:40:47] <Ocawesome101> the Monolith
editor works fairly well
L129[00:41:02] <Ocawesome101> and the
OpenNT editor.... is really buggy but can technically edit, save,
and load files
L130[00:41:32] <Kristopher38> I refuse to learn to edit
with vimmy commands so I'm gonna write my own :D
<Kristopher38> I refuse to learn to edit
with vimmy commands so I'm gonna write my own :DL131[00:41:53] <Kristopher38> But more seriously it's
gonna be a fun exercise
<Kristopher38> But more seriously it's
gonna be a fun exerciseL132[00:41:54] <Ocawesome101> learn vled,
i've even got a manpage on it
L133[00:41:56] <Ocawesome101> :P
L134[00:42:11] <dequbed> Ariri: Y'know
just selective sinter as additive machining and use only edm for
substractive. Because sometimes you just have to burn a few hundred
liters of oil to get shit done; https://youtu.be/HLrXnSLO2OE
L135[00:42:13] <MichiBot> Senkerodieren
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L136[00:42:18] <Kristopher38> I haven't coded in a quick
and dirty way in a while
<Kristopher38> I haven't coded in a quick
and dirty way in a whileL137[00:42:43] <Ocawesome101> which init
system would be fastest on a 25mhz 486, systemd or sysvinit? i'm
gonna try to cross compile LFS
L138[00:43:04] <Ariri>
dequbed: Wow
<Ariri>
dequbed: WowL139[00:43:47] <CompanionCube> sysvinit is
crappier but simpler
L140[00:45:47] <dequbed> Ariri: You know
the fun part about EDM? Those amps flow through a
"non-conductive" oil; a spark momentarily plasmafies the
oil. Consequently it conducts because *everything* is a conducter
if you make it a plasma and the spark takes of a bit of the
material being machined. EDM is /mental/.
L141[00:46:34] <dequbed> Also the reason
why it burns of and fills the room with a pleasant smell: Turns out
the oil doesn't like that whole "being plasmafied" thingy
and prefers to just burn and smell afterwards.
L142[00:46:37] <Amanda> WEll what do you
expect of a machine meant to make a safe farming area in the
nuclear wastes?
L143[00:47:22] <Ariri>
Crazy
<Ariri>
CrazyL144[00:47:39] <Vexaton> why is it fuming
so much
L145[00:47:46] <Vexaton> that looks like
hydrochloric acid
L146[00:48:06] <dequbed> Vexaton: What
about the "being turned into literal PLASMA and cooking
off" did you miss?
L147[00:48:20] <Vexaton> well if your oil
starts fuming you might have a problem
L148[00:48:27] <Vexaton> please don't
breathe that in
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L150[00:48:56] <dequbed> Amanda: also you
laugh but EDM is one of the safer ways of machining uranium
:p
L151[00:48:59] <Ariri>
Essential essences
<Ariri>
Essential essencesL152[00:49:56] <Vexatos> I mean any mass
around uranium is a safer way of handling uranium
L153[00:50:05] <dequbed> Vexatos: I'm
aware your speciality is chemistry not machining but still; we have
thought of that. This is normal operation, only speed turned to
eleven. The fumes are noxious but we're not talking "Evacuate
the building" toxic either way.
L154[00:50:15] <Vexatos> well not
toxic
L155[00:50:18] *
Amanda looks at proto-earth. Looks at mars, lightbulb!
L156[00:50:22] <Vexatos> more like
"can clog up your lungs"
L157[00:50:31] <Vexatos> "reduce lung
capacity"
L158[00:50:32] <Vexatos> etc
L159[00:50:47] <dequbed> "kill you
ded"
L160[00:50:48] <dequbed> etc
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L162[00:50:55] <Vexatos> machining oil is
not as bad as tar
L163[00:50:59] <dequbed> There are no old
welders either.
L164[00:51:02] <Vexatos> but anything
insoluble in your lungs is pretty bad
L165[00:51:05] <Amanda> on what timescale
though, dequbed
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L167[00:51:22] <Amanda> sure it might not
suffocate you immediately, but...
L168[00:52:02] <Vexatos> so how does this
work, is it like welding just in oil?
L169[00:52:29] <dequbed> Amanda: Which
one? The kill you ded? If you insist on directly inhaling the
wonderful cooking oil, probably quicker rather than slower. If you
do a bare minimum of precautions and personal safety all the other
things will kill you first.
L170[00:53:38] <Vexatos> from what it
looks like you just melt away a shape?
L171[00:53:47] <dequbed> Vexatos: Yes,
exactly except the arc is not contiuous, not meant to heat up
workpiece or electrode, the distance is extremely small, nothing
melts and its an substractive machining process instead of an
additive one.
L172[00:53:59] <Vexatos> so that's why
it's called erosion
L173[00:54:10] <Vexatos> so you just
vapourize your shape into the thing layer by layer
L174[00:54:28] <dequbed> Sorry, I'm being
sarcastic. It's nothing like welding at all except for that it uses
electricity.
L175[00:54:44] <Vexatos> I mean sounds
literally like welding to me
L176[00:54:51] <dequbed> More or less. The
erosion happens due to the plasma generated from the dielectric
fluid
L177[00:54:55] <Vexatos> except you remove
stuff instead of adding it
L178[00:55:33] <Vexatos> so I assume this
only works if your material is conductive?
L179[00:55:36] <dequbed> Well I mean just
like with welding you use power and after a few steps the end
result is different from what you started with.
L180[00:55:40] <Vexatos> since it probably
is the cathode
L181[00:55:44] <dequbed> Yes it does
L182[00:56:17] <Vexatos> I see
L183[00:56:18] <dequbed> I mean just like
with arc welding plasma is involved somewhere
L184[00:56:29] <dequbed> But that's the
extend of it.
L185[00:57:00] <Vexatos> well the
mechanism is identical
L186[00:57:05] <Vexatos> just the purpose
is different
L187[00:57:05] <dequbed> No, not at
all.
L188[00:58:08] <Vexatos> with a plasma
cutter you make gas plasma to remove material, here you make oil
plasma to remove material
L189[00:58:56] <Vexatos> this having the
advantage that nothing melts
L190[00:59:18] <dequbed> It's much closer
to plasma cutting than to welding.
L191[01:00:04] <Vexatos> well in a welder
you use plasma to intentionally melt the material
L192[01:00:54] <Vexatos> dequbed, I assume
you can make the anode into like specific shapes to get different
shapes out of the eroded piece?
L193[01:01:28] <Vexatos> what material are
they made of
L194[01:01:35] <Vexatos> graphite?
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L196[01:19:29] <dequbed> Vexatos: Depends.
Graphite, Copper & Platinum are common but sometimes expensive
stuff like Palladium is used if the cheaper materials don't cut
it.
L197[01:19:43] <Vexatos> how large are
they usually
L198[01:19:52] <dequbed> As large as you
need them to be
L199[01:20:05] <dequbed> You can EDM
nanomachinery, you can EDM a plane in one go if you want.
L200[01:20:15] <Vexatos> something tells
me buying a 20 gram Pd anode isn't exactly common
L201[01:20:34] <Vexatos> unless it
is
L202[01:20:38] <dequbed> Generally small
because EDM is slooooooooooow. You get as close as possible with
other ways.
L203[01:20:38] <Vexatos> in which case how
much money do you have
L204[01:21:18] <dequbed> Vexatos: EDM is
*very* rare. Space industry, military style rare. Platinium is on
the "cheap" list for a reason.
L205[01:21:38] <Vexatos> well platinum is
not THAT expensive compared to the other noble metals
L206[01:22:06] <dequbed> We're talking
"uh yeah I need to weld these two pieces of high temperature
ceramics together, can I use your laser real quick"
rare.
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L208[01:22:41] <Vexatos> oh Pd is not
actually that expensive
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L210[01:22:43] <Vexatos> well
L211[01:22:44] <Vexatos> it is
L212[01:22:49] <Vexatos> but not as much
as I thought
L213[01:22:53] <dequbed> Palladium is only
1.8k per ounce.
L214[01:22:58] <Vexatos> €160 for a
gram
L215[01:23:04] <Vexatos> for normal
purity
L216[01:23:08] <Vexatos> €300 for high
purity
L217[01:23:52] <Vexatos> the most
expensive material I ever worked with was like €500 for a
gram
L218[01:23:58] <Vexatos> but I only used 4
miligrams
L219[01:23:59] <dequbed> But yeah that was
also fun. The 1.5kW infrared laser that welds ceramics. The class 4
laser that's only class 4 because there is nothing more deadly than
class 4.
L220[01:24:58] <Vexatos> high current
machines in my work are much different
L221[01:25:21] <Vexatos> they are usually
precise measuring devices
L222[01:25:26] <Vexatos> or parts of
them
L223[01:25:31] <Vexatos> like the magnet
in an NMR
L224[01:26:03] <dequbed> Vexatos: Well
that laser can measure the precise thickness of the material you
put in: Turn it on, wait a few seconds and the thickness will be
precisely 0".
L225[01:26:08] <Vexatos> I also used a
high-current electron gun before but that was in a vacuum so no
plasma thankfully
L226[01:26:38] <Vexatos> at 10e-12
mbar
L227[01:27:03] <Vexatos> trying to
remember what machine we have has the strongest laser
L228[01:27:33] <dequbed> Vexatos: Also
funny that, the lab had a precision measuring lab attached.
"Precision" that is. Temperature controlled to a degree
Celsius, SEM, that kind of stuff.
L229[01:27:38] <dequbed> I should have
played with that more.
L230[01:28:10] <Vexatos> hm yes that is
precision
L231[01:28:39] <Vexatos> I ran exactly
linear thermal gradients from 30 kelvin to 450 kelvin in 5
minutes
L232[01:28:50] <dequbed> I mean in
chemistry controlled to a degree is probably pretty shit but this
is machining and controlled to a degree was so that material
expansion wasn't a factor.
L233[01:28:53] <Vexatos> try heating
anything that much that quickly with that precision
L234[01:29:18] <Vexatos> SEM is cool
though
L235[01:29:19] <dequbed> No I mean the
entire lab was controlled to a degree. As in ... the
building.
L236[01:29:35] <Vexatos> oh our labs are
all controlled to 23.0°C
L237[01:29:49] <Vexatos> the good ones,
anyway
L238[01:29:52] <dequbed> See, that's what
I mean: Nothing special to you :p
L239[01:30:12] <Vexatos> I mean our labs
are something noone could ever afford
L240[01:30:22] <dequbed> Except you did
apparently.
L241[01:30:27] <dequbed> So *somebody*
could
L242[01:30:31] <Vexatos> public uni means
public funds
L243[01:30:42] <dequbed> Still
"somebody"
L244[01:30:45] <Vexatos> yes
L245[01:31:13] <Vexatos> chemistry is
sadly something you cannot really do as a hobby because of the
sheer upfront cost
L246[01:31:21] <dequbed> My uni is making
semiconductor devices from solid monocrystaline diamonds. Because
they can.
L247[01:31:38] <dequbed> Talk about
upfront cost, ey ^
L248[01:32:04] <Vexatos> well something
like an SEM is still remotely affordable
L249[01:32:20] <Vexatos> assuming you're
somewhat rich
L250[01:33:14] <Vexatos> you'll have spent
two million euros just to get a most basic tiny laboratory room
built with all the safety requirements involved
L251[01:33:33] <Vexatos> dequbed, ooh
that's super cool
L252[01:33:57] <Vexatos> one group here
makes metalorganic semiconductors
L253[01:34:13] <dequbed> You can spend two
millions on one machine in semiconductor manufacturing and be
exactly two millions into your lab with nothing actually done
yet.
L254[01:34:56] <Vexatos> why would you do
semiconductor manufacturing as a hobby
L255[01:35:03] <Vexatos> that's a bit more
obscure than chemistry
L256[01:35:04] <dequbed> Because it's
/fun/
L257[01:35:24] <Vexatos> but you can make
organic semiconductors in a chem lab :P
L258[01:35:24] <dequbed> And I mean that
literally. Semiconductor manufacturing is *fun*.
L259[01:35:49] <Vexatos> (have fun
crystallizing them)
L260[01:36:53] <dequbed> Combine that with
the fact that the lab I worked at had their own PCB production
street, ceramic devices laser (for smd resistors, caps etc) and
other fun stuff I could have build my own computer. As in - build
every last part myself.
L261[01:37:34] <Vexatos> what field was
that even in
L262[01:37:38] <Ocawesome101> neat
:p
L263[01:37:39] <Vexatos> engineering or
materials chemistry
L264[01:37:43] <dequbed> Vexatos:
Mechatronik.
L265[01:37:49] <Vexatos> ah
L266[01:38:15] <dequbed> Labor speziell:
Fertigungsverfahren in der Mechatronik -> allll the
manufacturing.
L267[01:39:21] <Vexatos> Berlin :U
L268[01:39:29] <dequbed> Hey kids, wanna
build your own PCBs on these here ceramic platters so you don't
need dedicated resistors? Well put on your googles, we'll make some
SCIENCE>
L269[01:39:54] <Vexatos> mechatronics as a
field always sounded to me like a "let's just hire one guy to
do all the work" field
L270[01:40:12] <dequbed> Just like
DevOps!
L271[01:40:41] <dequbed> DevOps: When you
have work for an entire IT department and budget for a singular
intern.
L272[01:40:48] <Vexatos> "programmer
engineer electronics technician that also works the
lathe"
L273[01:41:22] <Vexatos> devops was
invented literally for that I guarantee it
L274[01:41:36] <dequbed> Think of it as
the ultimate project manager: Doesn't know how to do exactly but
knows enough to know that it's complex and might be an issue and
what an expert should about sound like.
L275[01:42:27] <Vexatos> "jack of all
trades" isn't exactly a good thing in engineering though, is
it
L276[01:42:33] <dequbed> Vexatos: No it
is.
L277[01:42:36] <Vexatos> in the end you
will have to specialize on something
L278[01:42:37] <dequbed> And it's very
much required.
L279[01:43:09] <dequbed> Vexatos: No you
don't. Projects die because bad managers hire a bunch of experts
with no idea what they actually need from them or who does what in
the first place.
L280[01:43:27] <Vexatos> but then you just
need a project manager
L281[01:43:40] <dequbed> Vexatos: Yeah and
that guy is a Mechatroniker.
L282[01:43:43] <Vexatos> one who does none
of the things that mechatronics is about but exclusively does
project management
L283[01:43:57] <Vexatos> never touches a
machine in his life
L284[01:44:11] <Vexatos> only needs to
know who to ask
L285[01:44:41] <dequbed> Yeah and how
exactly does that person learn that again?
L286[01:44:50] <Vexatos> in chemistry,
everyone is pretty specialized, and for everything else you ask
others for help
L287[01:45:05] <dequbed> Vexatos:
chemistry is but one engineering discipline.
L288[01:45:41] <Vexatos> there is no real
"project manager" because everyone is sitting on the same
table to organize stuff as a team I guess
L289[01:46:03] <Vexatos> so it's different
to industrial fields I guess
L290[01:46:28] <dequbed> If I ask you to
build a thingy involving a bunch of disciplines are you able to a)
figure out which disciplies this all touches b) which
specializations in those disciplines you need c) figure out who to
ask?
L291[01:46:32] <Vexatos> dequbed, chemical
engineering is a separate field
L292[01:46:56] <dequbed> Because a MBA
does not and those get called as project managers often. And then
are surprised when the project fails.
L293[01:47:15] <Vexatos> dequbed, I mean
figuring out who you need to solve a task is step 1 of any
project
L294[01:47:39] <dequbed> Yes and a good
way to start is having a Mechatroniker.
L295[01:47:56] <Vexatos> I am starting my
doctorate project in october and the first thing we did was call
different groups that might want to cooperate with us
L296[01:48:04] <Vexatos> for the things we
cannot do ourselves
L297[01:48:07] <dequbed> Who can in a
pinch get you 60-70% of the way there without having to call an
expert.
L298[01:48:20] <Vexatos> I see
L299[01:48:59] <Vexatos> in chemistry,
those people don't really exist, everyone is an expert, but
everyone also (supposedly) knows enough about all the other
chemistry to figure out any related requirements
L300[01:49:23] <Vexatos> always depends on
the person, of course
L301[01:49:39] <dequbed> Because see the
Mechatroniker can tell that the idea the mechengs have is super
smart but will fuck over the EE without a cause rooted in EE, can
tell that the EE in a way they understand so they can work around
and *then* go talk to the machining guys to get it done.
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L303[01:50:09] <Vexatos> as theoretical
chemists, we rely a lot on others to do experiments for us, so
knowing who to ask and how much work to expect from them is quite
essential
L304[01:50:16] <dequbed> Vexatos: Yes,
again. Chemistry is but one discipline. It's fractally complex but
the same is true for EE, ME, SE.
L305[01:51:00] <Vexatos> industrial
chemistry has separate fields like chemical engineering and process
engineering
L306[01:51:23] <Vexatos> materials
chemistry is also much closer to engineering than pure
chemistry
L307[01:51:28] <dequbed> A Mechatroniker
is the glue and common ground communication medium that can tie
together the ME, EE and SE that otherwise simply have no common
language outside from Electrical fields behaving somewhat like
Liquids.
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L309[01:52:10] <Vexatos> dequbed, to me
that sounds like you're studying an engineering degree to end up in
a management role
L310[01:52:34] <dequbed> Vexatos:
Fractally complex. You can talk back all you want. This is not
about wether chemistry is not super complex and has different
fields. It's about that ME has just as much of both. And you have
no common language with a ME and without something in between you
*will* fuck up.
L311[01:52:48] <Vexatos> well yea
L312[01:52:57] <dequbed> Vexatos: So what?
Managing a project well is rewarding in its own right and pays just
as well.
L313[01:53:18] <dequbed> Just because you
didn't do something with your hands does not mean you weren't
important to the process.
L314[01:53:20] <Vexatos> I just think
studying an engineering degree with the goal of not end up
engineering anything is kind of a waste?
L315[01:53:33] <Vexatos> but you do
you
L316[01:53:58] <dequbed> Yes because
reviewing circuits with EE, talking static and dynamic loads with
ME and debating a few core assertions of their code with SE is
*somehow* not engineering.
L317[01:54:01] <dequbed> Vexatos,
wtf?
L318[01:55:12] <Vexatos> like an architect
who never ends up building a single house or a roofer who doesn't
make roofs, you know
L319[01:55:17] <Vexatos> or a chemist who
doesn't do chemistry
L320[01:55:57] <Vexatos> One of the main
reasons I wouldn't want to go into industrial chemistry... most
chemists there end up in some sort of planning/management role that
sounds boring as shit, and according to people who work in those
roles actually is boring as shit
L321[01:56:07] <Vexatos> it just happens
to have eight times their previous pay
L322[01:56:16] <dequbed> Vexatos: Are you
trying to spite me or am I that hard to understand? No architect
*ever* builds a house, they *can't*. Civil engineers build houses
ffs.
L323[01:58:48] <Vexatos> s/build/design/
happy now
L324[01:58:49] <MichiBot> <dequbed>
Vexatos: Are you trying to spite me or am I that hard to
understand? No architect *ever* designs a house, they *can't*.
Civil engineers build houses ffs.
L325[01:59:14] <Vexatos> (not to mention
that architects do in fact often help *build* the house)
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L327[02:00:07] <dequbed> Vexatos: No. Pure
architects do not possess the skills necessary to build a house
that doesn't fall down. That's the job of a civil engineer. That
can be the same person sometimes but architecture is not and will
never be civil engineering.
L328[02:00:37] <Vexatos> my mum is an
engineer in architecture and she learnt how to construct various
types of houses found where I live
L329[02:00:55] <dequbed> You are pissed
that I call chemistry an engineering discipline but can't tell the
art part of building of the engineering part. Solid.
L330[02:00:59] <Vexatos> no
L331[02:01:06] <Vexatos> chemistry is very
much 50% engineering
L332[02:01:28] <Vexatos> well my field
really isn't but others are much more
L333[02:01:49] <Vexatos> synthetic
chemistry really is as much a craft as it is a science
L334[02:01:51] <dequbed> Building a house
is 50% art, 50% engineering; The former is called Architecture
"Architektur" and the latter civil engineering
"Bauingeneurswesen".
L335[02:02:12] <Vexatos> well my mum is
"Ingenieur der Architektur"
L336[02:02:39] <dequbed> Auch bekannt als
Bauingeurswesen mit Architekturfokus. Danke das du meine Punkte
unterstreichst.
L337[02:03:21] <Vexatos> that is not what
she studied
L338[02:03:24] <Vexatos> that was a
separate field
L339[02:04:17] <Vexatos> anyways, my
original point is that I'm just at odds with the thought of
studying something for so many years only to end up in a management
role where you watch others do the stuff you learnt
L340[02:04:42] <Vexatos> idk I wouldn't
want that, but again you do you
L341[02:04:50] <Vexatos> those jobs are
almost always much better paid, anyway
L342[02:04:55] <dequbed> Yeah and you're
free to be so. But that's a) not what Mechatronik is about, or ever
was b) is as far from what I study as you can get.
L343[02:05:26] <Vexatos> well you did say
that was what it was, a project management job
L344[02:05:58] <dequbed> Yeah. Which is
decidedly not the same as "a management role where you watch
others do the stuff you learnt"
L345[02:06:36] <Vexatos> depends on how
hands-on your research is
L346[02:06:45] <Vexatos> in the industry
it is almost always the same thing
L347[02:07:13] <Vexatos> you just delegate
jobs to others who are paid less than you while you fill out design
documents and reports :/
L348[02:07:46] <dequbed> Vexatos: I'm
sorry if you only had shitty project experiences but rest assured
that in good projects that is not the only thing a project manager
gets to do. And the pay isn't different.
L349[02:08:01] <Vexatos> sounds too good
to be true
L350[02:08:25] <dequbed> Well apparently I
and the projects I work on are fake. Huh, fooled me.
L351[02:08:34] <Vexatos> well you told me
you work at uni
L352[02:08:39] <Vexatos> that's much
different from the industry
L353[02:08:43] <dequbed> No I
didn't?
L354[02:08:50] <Vexatos> you talked about
labs at your uni
L355[02:08:56] <Vexatos> like the
semiconductor one
L356[02:08:59] <dequbed> Yeah. In *past
tense*.
L357[02:09:40] <Vexatos> I see
L358[02:09:46] <Vexatos> maybe you're
lucky then
L359[02:09:56] <dequbed> I don't work
there anymore. My current gig is much more fun than deadly
machinery and even more deadly beauracracy.
L360[02:10:34] <Vexatos> I only ever heard
horror stories about graduates in industry landing a bureaucracy
job where all the cool work is done by technicians and all the
boring work by you
L361[02:11:35] <dequbed> Technicans are
the heros of any project anyway. Turns out if you teach engineers
their entire academic careers that they are better than the
"fools" who didn't study they start to believe it .
L362[02:11:57] <Vexatos> technicians get
to do all the cool work >_<
L363[02:12:16] <dequbed> Technicians can
actually *do* the cool work, different to most engineers.
L364[02:12:34] <Vexatos> and they are
still less well paid
L365[02:12:37] <Vexatos> because yes
L366[02:13:44] <dequbed> Yeah, that's a
stupid thing I do differently. Technicans with experience are worth
just as much as engineers are.
L367[02:13:59] <Vexatos> one of the
reasons a master's degree and PhD are basically mandatory in
chemistry. With anything less, you are underqualified the research
side because not enough education, and also underqualified for the
practical side because technicians have five times your lab
experience
L368[02:14:34] <dequbed> Vexatos: Where
did you study again?
L369[02:14:42] <Vexatos> bremen
L370[02:14:51] <dequbed> Ah, I'm
sorry
L371[02:15:19] <Vexatos> most of the uni
sucks but the chemistry and physics departments are the only decent
parts
L372[02:15:39] <Vexatos> and some
engineering fields
L373[02:15:57] <Vexatos> I could tell you
horror stories about the CS degree all day
L374[02:16:03] <dequbed> Well, if I ever
hear of a project/company by good people that need a theoretical
chemist I'll keep you in mind :p
L375[02:16:17] <Vexatos> our research
groups are all very nice
L376[02:16:20] <dequbed> In bremen that
is. But it being bremen, don't hold your breath.
L377[02:16:31] <Vexatos> as I said we
don't really have project leaders in our groups
L378[02:16:47] <Vexatos> we agree on stuff
as a team from the start with everyone having roughly equal
sayx
L379[02:16:49] <Vexatos> say*
L380[02:17:10] <Vexatos> the horror
stories I heard are from colleagues, former colleagues, other
people in the field I know
L381[02:18:50] <Vexatos> I have no plans
of going into the industry, at least in chemistry it sounds
horribly boring despite being 3x-8x the pay
L382[02:19:06] <dequbed> Everybody has
horror stories. A potential customer of me one said he'd prefer
giving the programming job to the mechanical engineer he had
because "they write better documentation"
L383[02:19:27] <Vexatos> (valid reason
considering some CS graduates I have seen the bachelor project
of)
L384[02:19:46] <dequbed> Vexatos: Not
valid when we were talking about having me write software for
them.
L385[02:19:51] <Vexatos> ouch
L386[02:20:07] <Michiyo> What exactly is
documentation?
L387[02:20:14] <Amanda> can you eat
it?
L388[02:20:17] <Vexatos> Michiyo, that's
when you add // or # in front of the lines
L389[02:20:20] <Amanda> If not,
notinterested
L390[02:20:26] <Michiyo> Ah! Right so I
have TONS of that then!
L391[02:20:31] <Vexatos> like # TODO
document this
L392[02:20:35] <Izaya> Documentation is a
state of mind
L393[02:20:37] <dequbed> Anyway was nice
yelling in your general direction, but it is bed time for moi
Vexatos. Potentially you should consider that as well.
L394[02:21:06] <Vexatos> I don't need
sleep I am on my well-deserved holiday HAHA
L395[02:21:07] <dequbed> Michiyo: It's
that thing that everbody wants but nobody has. It's cake. Cake. Now
I want cake. Nomnomnom
L396[02:21:10] <Vexatos> first days off
since february
L397[02:21:26] <dequbed> Vexatos: 4 day
workweek says lol.
L398[02:21:28] <Vexatos> and I'll finally
be earning money starting october
L399[02:21:32] <Michiyo> last
"holiday" I took, I took a week off... and worked 4 of
the 5 days
L400[02:21:37] <Michiyo> I also worked the
5th.
L401[02:21:43] <dequbed> Michiyo: Stop it
:<
L402[02:21:45] *
Izaya smugs in 2.5 days a week
L403[02:22:00] <Vexatos> dequbed, come to
academia we have 70 hour work weeks with 27 hour pay
L404[02:22:01] <Amanda> Izaya: so you're
saying you're available for outsourcing, got it.
L405[02:22:03] <Michiyo> Because it seems
no one can do my job.
L406[02:22:25] <Michiyo> so at this point,
I'm capped on PTO, and.. I can't use it.
L407[02:22:29] <Vexatos> Michiyo, you are
INDISPENSABLE
L408[02:22:31] <Vexatos> ask for a
raise
L409[02:22:35] <Michiyo> But BOTH of my
co-workers? taking long weekends.
L410[02:22:36] <Vexatos> *cough*
L411[02:22:38] <Michiyo> and dumping their
shit on me.
L412[02:22:46] <dequbed> Vexatos: Come to
"We pay you properly Inc." where you work 4 days a week
and get payed for 5.
L413[02:22:55] <Vexatos> Michiyo, o boi my
mum has one of those coworkers, and the boss LOVES them
L414[02:23:07] <Vexatos> they get away
with anything
L415[02:23:19] <Michiyo> I just got a
raise, 2.5% of a maximum 3%
L416[02:23:20] <Amanda> Vexatos: probably
spends the time they're not working on what they should be kissing
ass. :P
L417[02:23:25] *
Amanda puts her laptop away
L418[02:23:35] <Vexatos> Amanda, they are
neighbors
L419[02:23:39] <Michiyo> Annual raises,
yay.
L420[02:24:29] <Michiyo> I also have a
meeting tomorrow, about the program I wrote that will save my
company the salary of 4-5 people for ~10 months...
L421[02:24:47] <Vexatos> my work is
technically considered public service so I will be getting a set,
publicly known rate with a guaranteed raise of like 3% a year
L422[02:24:51] <Michiyo> I got 1 (one)
token for our company store for my effort.
L423[02:25:10] <dequbed> Michiyo: Have you
considered a) quitting that job and letting yourself get hired as
contractor for 10x the pay?
L424[02:25:21] <Michiyo> If only.
L425[02:26:10] <Michiyo> A.) They don't
hire external for that kinda stuff, and B.) I'm already not going
to make rent this month, I don't need to make it worse.
L426[02:26:15] <Vexatos> I keep telling my
mum to be a bit more demanding at her job since the company would
literally go bankrupt within 3 months if she leaves, she finally
managed to get a decent deal with the boss after all these
years
L427[02:26:15] <dequbed> Making yourself
indispensable and then going "baaaiiii~" is a tried and
true way of achieving that Michiyo
L428[02:26:53] <Vexatos> being an
indispensable employee is generally pretty good
L429[02:27:08] <Vexatos> problem is the
boss has to be aware you're indispensable
L430[02:27:14] <dequbed> If you can deal
with the stress that is.
L431[02:27:22] <dequbed> Vexatos: Taking a
long leave does that for most companies.
L432[02:27:42] <Vexatos> they already have
trouble if she takes a week off hweh
L433[02:28:14] <Vexatos> pro tip: if
you're on vacation, turn off your phone
L434[02:28:46] <dequbed> Michiyo: What
order of magnitude are your monthly expenses? Is that on the level
of "lets set up a gofundme for "FUCKYOU"-Money so
Michiyo gets payed properly"?
L435[02:29:28] <Vexatos> I don't think
that's a good solution
L436[02:29:55] <Michiyo> The entire
company relies on one of my programs as it manages users on our 3rd
party hosting platform. Without it only 2 people can do password
resets, user/agency creation and disables.
L437[02:30:20] <Michiyo> my department
relies on a ton of the tools I've written.. the best part I wasn't
even brought on for Development.. lol
L438[02:30:48] <Amanda> You remembered the
kill switches, right?
L439[02:30:54] <Amanda> I mean
L440[02:30:55] <Michiyo> *sighs*
L441[02:30:56] <dequbed> Vexatos:
"Pay me properly or I leave. I have the next three months
already financed so this raise of 300% is a take it or never see me
again and watch your company crumble" IS a good idea.
L442[02:30:56] <Michiyo> no.
L443[02:30:57] *
Amanda ocughs
L444[02:31:26] <dequbed> If you can get
another job within 3 months that is.
L445[02:31:43] <Vexatos> as a programmer?
during covid?
L446[02:31:48] <Michiyo> lol dequbed that
would be awesome :P but that's the question isn't it. I got SUPER
lucky here, I'm a high school dropout with a GED.
L447[02:31:59] <Michiyo> I don't have a
degree, I don't have any certifications...
L448[02:32:06] <Michiyo> I'm 100% self
taught on everything I know.
L449[02:32:08] <dequbed> Michiyo: A HS
dropout that casually maintains how many FOSS repos exactly?!
L450[02:32:17] <Vexatos> I mean the US is
way more lenient regarding the "no degree" thing than
Germany
L451[02:32:26] <dequbed> Vexatos: Fuck no
it isn't.
L452[02:32:28] <Vexatos> over here you
don't even need to bother if you don't have that piece of
paper
L453[02:32:49] <dequbed> Vexatos: I get
payed 50 EUR/h with no paper.
L454[02:32:58] <Vexatos> again you were
lucky
L455[02:32:59] <Amanda> I've heard that
that doesn't matter to most employers in CS areas, as long as
you've got other experience. Writing tools that are a main part of
your previous jobs workflows... might count
L456[02:33:01] <dequbed> Mostly by saying
"Fuck you, I know what I'm worth."
L457[02:33:17] <Michiyo> I'm not hourly..
but I think my salary breaks down to like $25 an hour
L458[02:33:30] <Vexatos> that is more than
me
L459[02:33:30] <Michiyo> unless we count
ALL of the hours I work, then it's about $.45
L460[02:33:43] <dequbed> Michiyo: You are
an US citizen, aren't you?
L461[02:33:48] <Michiyo> Yep
L462[02:34:06] <dequbed> Are you up for
remote (dev) work in Europe or CA?
L463[02:34:17] <Michiyo> I'm technically
working remote now heh
L464[02:34:38] <Michiyo> Not much
technical to it I suppose.
L465[02:34:41] <dequbed> Cool. I'll have a
look around. Most teams around me are english by default and can
use a good Java dev.
L466[02:35:08] <Vexatos> If you want a
raise you'd have to risk something, anyway. Got any worker
protections over there in uh wherever you were, was it
florida?
L467[02:35:11] <Michiyo>
s/good/mediocre/
L468[02:35:12] <MichiBot> <dequbed>
Cool. I'll have a look around. Most teams around me are english by
default and can use a mediocre Java dev.
L469[02:35:12] <Michiyo> :P
L470[02:35:42] <Michiyo> I'm in Oregon,
100% right to work AKA, you wore yellow, you're fired.
L471[02:35:47] <Vexatos> ah oregon
L472[02:35:50] <Vexatos> basically the
same
L473[02:35:57] <Vexatos> *vaguely points
westward*
L474[02:36:04] *
Amanda can't tell if Vexatos is being facetious
L475[02:36:04] <dequbed> Michiyo: I've
seen your code, I've seen other people's code being payed double
your official wage. Stop selling yourself short.
L476[02:36:14] <Vexatos> Amanda, it's all
one ocean away
L477[02:36:22] <Vexatos> oregon definitely
has the better weather
L478[02:36:26] <dequbed> It's *ALLL* Trump
country!
L479[02:36:41] <Amanda> Oh wait, I
misparsed.
L480[02:36:49] <Vexatos> this week it's
rained properly for the first time in a long time
L481[02:36:57] <Vexatos> nice weather at
last
L482[02:37:02] <Michiyo> It tried to ran
here last weekend... it changed its mind.
L483[02:37:06] <Amanda> I though you said
that Michiyo's state had excelent worker protections, which uh... I
don't htink is the case *anywhere* in the US
L484[02:37:07] <Michiyo> come winter I'll
drown lol
L485[02:37:34] <Amanda> Anyway, I need to
unplug and unwind,bbl from my mobile
L486[02:37:44] <Izaya> non-billionaires
are second class citizens
L487[02:37:54] <Vexatos> oregon and
washington are probably my least disliked states
L488[02:37:58] <Vexatos> simply because of
the weather
L489[02:38:02] <Michiyo> My meeting
tomorrow with our VP of Development, and son of the owner of the
company may change things.. but we'll see.
L490[02:38:25] <Vexatos> you have to make
sure your boss knows how essential you are
L491[02:38:31] <Vexatos> and your software
in particular
L492[02:38:32] <Michiyo> *my* boss
knows.
L493[02:38:37] <Michiyo> IDK about *his*
boss lol
L494[02:38:41] <Vexatos> well whoever is
responsible for your paycheck
L495[02:38:53] <Vexatos> or whoever can
convince your boss to change that
L496[02:39:29] <Vexatos> I mean you are
already being paid more than me but you probably also have much
higher living expenses
L497[02:40:02] <Vexatos> if you want a
raise you need to figure out how much you think you're worth the
company
L498[02:40:15] <Vexatos> which to me
sounds like "quite a lot"
L499[02:40:21] <Michiyo> my half of the
rent is currently $1550, plus other expenses. Don't know how that
tracks to the rest of the world really
L500[02:40:33] <Vexatos> that's uh
L501[02:40:35] <Michiyo> I know it's
INSANE compared to Arkansas which I moved from ~2 years ago
L502[02:40:38] <Vexatos> why is that
insane
L503[02:40:48] <Vexatos> why is it that
insane*
L504[02:41:06] <Michiyo> We rent a
townhouse with roommates. I moved from a *house* with a mortgage of
$450 a month
L505[02:41:23] <Vexatos> I mean you can
pay these numbers in certain German cities
L506[02:41:26] <Michiyo> my *half* of rent
is 3x what I paid for a house.
L507[02:42:08] <Vexatos> I am not gonna
disclose how much we pay because I don't want to make you sad but
I'll also say that I compensate for that with having a nearly 90
minute commute to work
L508[02:42:39] <Vexatos> living on the
ourskirts has some advantages
L509[02:42:43] <Vexatos> outskirts*
L510[02:43:08] <Michiyo> my commute when I
was working @ the office was about 35-40 minutes
L511[02:43:18] <Michiyo> I'm WFH now due
to Covid though, so it's about 30 seconds.
L512[02:43:53] <Vexatos> sadly I cannot
negotiate that the commute expenses dropped due to WFH be added to
my salary
L513[02:45:27] <Vexatos> either way, best
of luck Michiyo :P
L514[02:45:38] <Michiyo> My boss had been
pushing for our department to be WFH for a while, Covid just kinda
forced the issue.
L515[02:45:40] <Vexatos> may you get a
raise one day
L516[02:45:51] <Michiyo> lol, thank you
Vexatos <3
L517[02:46:30] <Vexatos> $1500 for rent
though that is almost my entire monthly salary
L518[02:49:31] <Vexatos> Michiyo, actually
both my professor and I noticed that we were, or at least felt,
quite a bit more productive at home than at work, so we'll be doing
more WFH after covid too
L519[02:49:46] <Vexatos> which is really
nice
L520[02:50:08] <Michiyo> Most of my actual
work is after normal business hours.
L521[02:50:15] <Michiyo> So I did most of
my work from home anyway.
L522[02:50:22] <Vexatos> ah
L523[02:50:32] <Michiyo> But I still put
in 8 hours 8:30 - 5
L524[02:50:34] <Vexatos> well that already
helps
L525[02:50:39] <Michiyo> then 5-..
whenever :p
L526[02:51:00] <Vexatos> my work is mostly
through ssh anyway, and at home I have three monitors and a
familiar operating system so everything was just... faster
L527[02:51:51] *
Michiyo nods
L528[02:52:08] <Vexatos> It's still kind
of a miracle I managed to finish my thesis on time through the
whole covid thing, basically everything just worked smoothly from
home
L529[02:52:10] <Michiyo> we RDP for WFH,
and I have 3 monitors here as well
L530[02:52:32] <Vexatos> I spent 2 of my
24 thesis weeks actually on campus
L531[02:52:35] <Vexatos> kinda
insane
L532[02:52:52] <Vexatos> (two weeks before
the initial lockdown)
L533[02:53:50] <Vexatos> I am the only
master graduate in my entire department this semester
L534[02:54:14] <Vexatos> everyone else
could only even start in june because the labs reopened, I was the
only one who didn't have to do any lab work
L535[02:54:24] <Vexatos> such a weird
year
L536[02:54:38] <dequbed> Vexatos: Germany
had no lockdown.
L537[02:56:00] <Vexatos> sure did, the uni
is still closed unless you have special permission
L538[02:56:20] <Vexatos> most universities
do lectures remotely now
L539[02:56:40] <Vexatos> half of the lab
courses are cancelled
L540[02:56:48] <dequbed> Vexatos: Yes. Not
a lockdown. You don't get yelled at, held at gunpoint or shot and
for going outside.
L541[02:57:38] <Vexatos> well there are
penalties for being seen without mask in public transport or
buildings, and you will get yelled at and thrown out for being on
campus without permission
L542[02:58:06] <Vexatos> but the initial
lockdown was the weeks when all stores had to close
L543[02:58:13] <dequbed> Which again, IS
NOT A LOCKDOWN.
L544[02:58:17] <Vexatos> it is
L545[02:58:22] <Vexatos> everyone called
it that so it was
L546[02:58:53] <dequbed> Fuck it, I don't
have energy for this discussion.
L547[02:59:18] <Vexatos> literally every
news agency called it a lockdown I don't know why you'd be upset
over that word
L548[02:59:18] <Vexatos> whatever
L549[03:01:21] <dequbed> Because in other
countries people got locked into their homes, had guns pointed at
their faces, couldn't go shopping our leave their abusive husbands
for one minute but the fine germans are pissed that now they have
to put a piece of cloth in front of their ugly faces. You had no
lockdown you priviledged fuck.
L550[03:01:36] <Vexatos> yes we did
L551[03:01:48] <Vexatos> just a less
severe one
L552[03:02:52] <Vexatos> I was not allowed
to enter my workplace for a month, all stores were closed, that is
also a lockdown
L553[03:02:59] <Vexatos> just because
other people had it worse doesn't mean it wasn't
L554[03:03:03] <dequbed> Yes, one where
*nothing* was locked down. Oh well, too bad *you* didn't get to go
outside but hey we had a lockdown as well and I couldn't go to this
50000-people congress. Just as bad, amiright!
L555[03:03:19] <Vexatos> noone said
that?
L556[03:03:29] <dequbed> You did
L557[03:04:13] <Izaya> Michiyo: am I
missing something or is the way to remotely administer windows
really RDP?
L558[03:04:17] <Vexatos> just because some
lockdowns involved locking people in their homes and some involved
locking down public buildings doesn't mean one of those weren't a
lockdown dequbed why are you so upset about terminology
L559[03:04:22] <Vexatos> Izaya, it
is
L560[03:04:32] <Izaya> Been doing that
with my SE server and it just feels wrong
L561[03:04:34] <Vexatos> remmina on
windows works nicely for that
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L563[03:05:01] <Vexatos> been using RDP
for windows machines during my project involving electron
guns
L564[03:05:11] <Izaya> I installed the
universal terminal server patch :^)
L565[03:05:18] <dequbed> Vexatos: Because
terminology forms images. And calling something that isn't a
lockdown a lockdown makes everbody, including you, relativize
actual lockdowns. Germany had none whatsoever, stop calling it one
just because the media is wrong about it as well.
L566[03:05:31] <Vexatos> so rest assure
Izaya that even the most expensive scientific equipment with
state-of-the-art technology is still using a windows 10 machine and
RDP for connecting to it
L567[03:05:56] <Vexatos> dequbed, yea sure
lemme quickly change our concept of language
L568[03:06:06] <Izaya> It feels like
VNCing into a Linux machine so you can access a vty
L569[03:06:08] <Izaya> Feels wrong
L570[03:06:10] <Vexatos> it does
L571[03:06:17] <Vexatos> but it's
literally how you do it
L572[03:06:33] <Izaya> This pains me
infinitely
L573[03:06:35] <dequbed> Vexatos: Most
media outlets don't call Hoecke a fascist. Doesn't make it
technically correct that he isn't and doesn't make it morally
correct to not call him one. Hoecke is a fascist, Germany had no
lockdown, call shit as it is ffs.
L574[03:06:38] <Vexatos> I open excel
through RDP to look at auto generated graphs
L575[03:06:50] <Vexatos> Izaya, did I
mention that the way data was processed was excel macro
scripts?
L576[03:06:56] <Vexatos> on that one
machine
L577[03:07:23] <Vexatos> dequbed, words
mean what the majority thinks they mean, sorry to tell you
L578[03:07:31] <dequbed> Vexatos: EXACTLY
YOU FUCK
L579[03:07:42] <dequbed> STOP CALLING A
THING THAT WAS NOT A LOCKDOWN A LOCKDOWN ALREADY KTHXBYE
L580[03:07:44] <Vexatos> dequbed, I'd
appreciate if you stop insulting me
L581[03:07:46] <Michiyo> Woah woah,
alright, let's calm down a bit.
L582[03:08:13] <Izaya> Let's uh, lock this
down
L583[03:08:28] <dequbed> Michiyo Vexatos
sorry. that was uncalled for. But /whew/ germans piss me off at the
moment.
L584[03:09:03] <Vexatos> dequbed, if
person A shoots person B it's a shooter, if person A shoots 100
people it's also a shooter
L585[03:09:10] <Vexatos> the severity
doesn't change the word
L586[03:09:21] <dequbed> Vexatos: The
second one would be called a mass shooter.
L587[03:09:36] <Vexatos> then people
locked into their homes can be called a total lockdown
L588[03:09:41] <Vexatos> thank you for
this conversation
L589[03:10:04] <dequbed> And a person that
only hurts people but doesn't shoot them isn't called a
shooter.
L590[03:10:22] <Vexatos> anyways Izaya I
have SO many stories from that research project. the high-tech
machines were controlled with powershell scripts and the output
data plotted using excel macros
L591[03:10:32] <Vexatos> it was a
dream
L592[03:10:59] <Izaya> Nightmares are
subsets of dreams yes
L593[03:11:05] <Vexatos> yes
L594[03:11:18] <Vexatos> the day I started
the project I was taught how to run the scripts
L595[03:11:20] <Vexatos> I was like
L596[03:11:22] <Vexatos> this is
dumb
L597[03:11:41] <Vexatos> so I wrote a
script to automate what they used to be doing manually for the past
2 years with like 6 lines
L598[03:12:01] <Vexatos> I was like ???
the guy who taught me how to use them was literally the original
author of those scripts
L599[03:13:04] <Vexatos> dequbed, just
because people didn't get shot doesn't mean a lockdown didn't
happen. stores closed, public buildings closed. People weren't
allowed to meet. that *is* a lockdown and it was an infringement on
constitutional rights
L600[03:13:21] <Vexatos> it is a lockdown
by definition because things got locked down
L601[03:13:59] <Vexatos> Izaya, oh also
that job basically consisted of opening the same two valves in
different orders for eight hours a day and plotting some data in
excel but it was fun somehow
L602[03:14:01] <dequbed> Vexatos:
Whatever, this will only get me angry again. But sure, have it your
way. But you *are* getting your laws wrong :)
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L604[03:14:38] <Michiyo> Alright guys,
c'mon
L605[03:15:18] <Vexatos> dequbed, article
8 >_>
L606[03:15:23] <Vexatos> stop
nitpicking
L607[03:15:50] <Ocawesome101> o/
L608[03:15:56] <Vexatos> o7
L609[03:15:57] <Michiyo> Look damn it. I
have to go get some Milk and bread. Keep it civil please
L610[03:16:14] <dequbed> Vexatos: I'm not
going to discuss law with you. You are wrong, end of discussion.
Ask any lawyer, like I did.
L611[03:16:29] <Vexatos> yea yea
L612[03:17:25] <dequbed> The worst
infringement that happened the entire pandemic was Berlin pulling
out nazi law and requiring ID and *checks notes* germany letting
thousands of people die/drown/shuffle of this mortal coil
L613[03:18:23] <Vexatos> the lockdown
wasn't really bad but many stores in my village are now close to
dying
L614[03:18:35] *
CompanionCube remembers a random fact that a german court actually
ruled calling hoecke fascist is based on verifiable fact. From what
I've read about him, seems about right.#
L615[03:18:53] <Vexatos> yea I read that
story that was funny
L616[03:19:18] <Vexatos> also yea that's
pretty much spot on
L617[03:19:23] <dequbed> Yeah and I'm not
happy about the mismanagement that happened either.
L618[03:19:57] <dequbed> But "shops
dying because nobody expects sudden hardships" is not a
violation of human rights at least.
L619[03:20:12] <Vexatos> well no
L620[03:20:20] <Vexatos> there was no
violation of human rights I don't think
L621[03:20:22] <Vexatos> not directly
anyway
L622[03:21:09] <Vexatos> article 8 of the
GG was violated but for good reason and that was pretty much all.
Now we're dealing with the fallout from that
L623[03:21:22] <dequbed> Well except
germany being directly resposible for humans drowning in the
meditteranean and the one giant human rights violation that is
europes immigration policy
L624[03:21:38] <dequbed> Vexatos: It
wasn't. Stop trying to lawyer because you're failing hard at
it.
L625[03:21:39] <Vexatos> which has
everything to do with the covid lockdown how?
L626[03:21:50] <Vexatos> those are
completely separate issues >_>
L627[03:21:57] <dequbed> Vexatos:
Uhm?
L628[03:21:58] <dequbed> No.
L629[03:22:01] <dequbed> No they are
not.
L630[03:22:07] <dequbed> For the sake of
my sanity, they are not.
L631[03:22:49] <dequbed> Germany letting
people in cramped prison camps that did nothing wrong but be born
into a warzone die of infection and now a pandemic has to do with
said pandemic, please.
L632[03:23:02] <Vexatos> but it was an
issue before the pandemic too
L633[03:23:08] <dequbed> No, not this
badly.
L634[03:23:58] <dequbed> Germany letting
people drown by forcing rescue ships to stay in harbours citing
covid issues has to do with said diseases.
L635[03:24:29] <Vexatos> that's not just
Germany that's all the EU and that has also been the case before,
just the reasoning was different
L636[03:24:32] <dequbed> The one and only
article that is and was violated constantly during this pandemic
was Article 1.
L637[03:24:43] <Vexatos> I don't see how
that is directly related to the covid lockdown in march
L638[03:25:05] <Vexatos> I am only talking
about the period between mid march and mid april in case that
wasn't clear
L639[03:25:21] <Vexatos> where stores were
completely closed
L640[03:26:35] <Vexatos> the dumb stuff
happening in the mediterranean is a separate issue
L641[03:26:57] <Vexatos> that you just
brought in for a reason I don't understand
L642[03:27:57] <dequbed> Because it's not
separate. It's a human rights violation which is an *actual*
violation of the German constitution.
L643[03:28:11] <dequbed> Compared to Art.
8 which was *again* not violated. Ever.
L644[03:28:56] <Vexatos> you managed to
turn me being happy about finally finishing my thesis in chemistry
into a discussion about how germany is contributing to the refugee
crisis in the mediterranean
L645[03:29:09] <Vexatos> that is some
major leaps you've taken there
L646[03:29:47] <S3> oh hey its
vexatoast
L647[03:29:48] <Vexatos> I don't want to
talk about the latter because I am not an expert in whatever
political issues are involved with that
L648[03:29:50] <Vexatos> hi S3
L649[03:29:54] <dequbed> I started a
discussion about terminology which you turned into being wrong
about laws which I turned into actual violation of law
L650[03:30:19] <Vexatos> yea except you
brought up the terminology complaint and you brought up the law
complaint
L651[03:30:32] <Vexatos> despite noone
giving a shit >_>
L652[03:30:33] <dequbed> You brought up
Art.8 GG.
L653[03:30:52] <Vexatos> yes which is like
clearly violated because we literally did forbid indoor meetings
for a month
L654[03:31:04] <Vexatos> so formally it
was
L655[03:31:06] <dequbed> You are *still*
wrong about law.
L656[03:31:14] <Vexatos> yea sure I
am
L657[03:31:23] <PeachMaster> Hello! I've seen that in the
Java API for OpenComputers, you can return Lua tables, but how do
we do nested objects within them (from Java)
<PeachMaster> Hello! I've seen that in the
Java API for OpenComputers, you can return Lua tables, but how do
we do nested objects within them (from Java)L658[03:31:33] <S3> I keep on reading
Article 8 Good Game
L659[03:31:35] <Vexatos> @PeachMaster I
don't think you can
L660[03:31:40] <Vexatos> maybe you can put
a hashmap inside a hashmap?
L661[03:31:43] <Vexatos> you could try
that
L662[03:31:55] <Vexatos> or an arraylist
inside an arraylist
L663[03:31:59] <Vexatos> I am not sure if
that would work
L664[03:32:05] <Vexatos> otherwise you may
have to use a userdata object
L665[03:32:35] <Vexatos> i.e. a subclass
of li.cil.oc.api.machine.Value
L666[03:32:41] <Vexatos> read the
documentation of that in case you need it
L667[03:32:57] <PeachMaster> Hmm, okay. Where is the
documentation, btw?
<PeachMaster> Hmm, okay. Where is the
documentation, btw?L668[03:33:12] <Vexatos> directly in the
API as javadoc
L669[03:33:18] <Vexatos> see <https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/java/li/cil/oc/api/machine/Value.java>
L670[03:33:20] <PeachMaster> Okay, I'll look into
it.
<PeachMaster> Okay, I'll look into
it.L671[03:33:34] <dequbed> Vexatos: Art.8 GG
which there says: "[..] Fuer Versammlungen unter freiem Himmel
kann dieses Recht [..] auf Grund eines Gesetzes beschraenkt
werden". This law notably being the IfSG of 2001, last rev
2020. No violation happened.
L672[03:33:35] <Vexatos> (select branch
for whatever minecraft version you're modding on)
L673[03:33:52] <Vexatos> dequbed,
"unter freiem Himmel"
L674[03:33:58] <Vexatos> it was also
forbidden indoors
L675[03:35:00] <Vexatos> @PeachMaster
Actually I am pretty sure nested hashmaps should work
L676[03:35:03] <dequbed> Vexatos: Where
the right to healt fights with the right to come together.
Constitutional Law is very explicit about it, read the IfSG if you
want details :)
L677[03:35:09] <Izaya> Amanda: https://assets.octodon.social/media_attachments/files/104/753/259/224/694/729/original/e97cbc03c40e3381.jpg
L678[03:35:16] <S3> WOAH... Since when has
Github had code navigation
L679[03:35:19] <S3> That's awesome.
L680[03:35:20] <ThePiGuy24> our cat
<ThePiGuy24> our catL681[03:35:30] <Vexatos> soviet cat
L682[03:35:38] <Vexatos> ☭
L683[03:35:41] <PeachMaster> Alright, I'll try the Nested
Hashmaps.
<PeachMaster> Alright, I'll try the Nested
Hashmaps.L684[03:36:01] <ThePiGuy24> да товарищ
<ThePiGuy24> да товарищL685[03:36:13] <S3> Honestly, that's
pretty much what Lua tables of Lua tables would be
L686[03:36:44] <Vexatos> OC's abstraction
isn't nonsensical, S3
L687[03:36:48] <Vexatos> it's just been so
long
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L689[03:37:21] <Izaya> My vision is
~augmented~ abstract
L690[03:39:16] <Izaya> Hm, thoughts if I
want an auto-generated Antique Atlas style map of an entire
world?
L691[03:39:30] <Vexatos> would look cool
printed out
L692[03:39:41] <Vexatos> actually would
look insanely good as a woodcarving
L693[03:39:47] <S3> @ThePiGuy: 나는 러시아어를
몰라
L694[03:40:09] <Vexatos> or a
pyrography
L695[03:40:49] <S3> I read that as
pornography and I was confused
L696[03:40:50] <Izaya> [Laser
intensifies]
L697[03:40:57] <Vexatos> laser
indeed
L698[03:40:59] <Ocawesome101> i did too
tbh
L699[03:41:11] <Vexatos> y'all have dirty
minds
L700[03:41:13] <Vexatos> wash them
regularly
L701[03:41:15] <Izaya> But nah I can't
figure out how to get that without teleporting a player
around
L702[03:41:37] <S3> When you live in the
woods for 30+ years you start seeing things
L703[03:41:38] <S3> :P
L704[03:42:01] <Vexatos> you could make
another mod that hooks into the region data and the AA mod to
generate the map?
L705[03:42:28] <Vexatos> I never had to
manually load region data but I know it's possible
L706[03:42:37] <Izaya> I guess x_x
L707[03:42:46] <Vexatos> dynmap famously
does just that
L708[03:42:57] <Izaya> Then I'd need to
set up a dev env and install an IDE
L709[03:43:10] <Vexatos> although that's
not exactly the paragon of good code
L710[03:43:25] <Izaya> rcon and a script
may be the way to go
L711[03:43:25] <Vexatos> Izaya, ooor you
teleport the player around
L712[03:43:56] <Izaya> yeah x_x
L713[03:44:05] <Izaya> Least work if most
messy
L714[03:44:15] <Vexatos> if you're only
doing it once
L715[03:44:19] <Vexatos> you can automate
it
L716[03:44:38] <S3> Then again
L717[03:44:42] <Vexatos> if you have
access to the world you can type it directly in the server
console
L718[03:44:47] <Vexatos> with any script
of your choice
L719[03:44:50] <S3> If you live in the
desert for a lot of years down under I bet you start seeing things
too
L720[03:45:08] <S3> Izaya would have to
attest to that
L721[03:45:18] <Izaya> I live in
town
L722[03:45:26] <Vexatos> I don't think
anyone actually lives in the desert part
L723[03:45:30] <Izaya> I see these
horrible things called people
L724[03:45:39] <Vexatos> australia's
population is like 99.9% coast
L725[03:46:04] <Vexatos> Izaya, have you
tried staying away from that
L726[03:46:09] <S3> Really? I don't see
why nobody would live in the desert part
L727[03:46:24] <Vexatos> S3, most people
don't like dust in their shoes
L728[03:46:26] <Vexatos> that's why
L729[03:46:27] <S3> IF you can get water
somehow
L730[03:46:29] <Izaya> yes that has been
my approach so far and it works well
L731[03:46:33] <Vexatos> that is the only
reason
L732[03:46:37] <Izaya> S3: why live in the
desert tho
L733[03:46:50] <S3> People say the same
thing about us
L734[03:46:50] <Izaya> the main positive
is that nobody does
L735[03:47:03] <S3> Why live in the woods
away from civilization?
L736[03:47:13] <S3> There are quite a few
of us that live 100% off grid
L737[03:47:16] <Izaya> maine has nice
scenery and seems nice despite the cold climate
L738[03:47:27] <Izaya> there's nothing out
west
L739[03:47:33] <S3> well there is the
coast
L740[03:47:43] <S3> but I'm talking
northwest Maine
L741[03:47:45] <Izaya> scenery is either
grass, sand, or rocks
L742[03:48:06] <Izaya> I see little appeal
beyond the fact that there's very few people out there
L743[03:48:21] <Vexatos> I like living in
a small-ish village
L744[03:48:21] <S3> I actually considered
buying a 750 acre lot here
L745[03:48:32] <Vexatos> you have good
stores but not many people
L746[03:48:32] <S3> its not connected to
anything, and has its own internal road system
L747[03:48:42] <Vexatos> and rent is
cheap
L748[03:48:44] <Vexatos> good middle
gorund
L749[03:48:45] <Vexatos> ground*
L750[03:48:51] <S3> There is one store in
my town
L751[03:48:54] <S3> and thats it
L752[03:49:00] <Vexatos> my village
actually has five >_>
L753[03:49:06] <Vexatos> I still do not
understand how they keep surviving
L754[03:49:09] <S3> the gas pumps there
you can only use during the day too
L755[03:49:11] <Vexatos> some are
literally next to one another
L756[03:49:20] <Vexatos> we do not have
enough people to sustain five supermarkets
L757[03:49:27] <Izaya> I kinda wanna get a
decent size property somewhere west of the GDR, with a creek
L758[03:49:28] <Izaya> Set up something
comfy and off-grid
L759[03:49:31] <Vexatos> it's one of those
unsolved mysteries of humanity
L760[03:49:31] <S3> I once had to tell myt
work I was going to be late because the gas pumps werent open
yet
L761[03:49:43] <S3> my boss who lives in
another state did not understand at all
L762[03:50:08] <Izaya> Vexatos: money
laundering
L763[03:50:10] <Vexatos> Izaya, german
democratic republic? that's been dead for some 30 years now
L764[03:50:10] <S3> closest gas station
from there is half an hour
L765[03:50:25] <Izaya> No the great
dividing range
L766[03:50:28] <Vexatos> ah
L767[03:50:30] <Vexatos> makes sense
L768[03:50:39] <Izaya> The mountain range
running north-south along the east coast of australia
L769[03:51:01] <Vexatos> that ought to be
called Big Line of Hills
L770[03:51:19] <BrianH> is
there a mountain range on the west side?
<BrianH> is
there a mountain range on the west side?L771[03:51:43] <Izaya> Nothing as
significant to my knowledge
L772[03:52:09] <Izaya> There's several
there but they don't have the same ecological impacts as the
GDR
L773[03:52:26] <Izaya> Because like, east
of it is tropical and subtropical rainforest, naturally
L774[03:52:29] <Izaya> west is d r y
L775[03:52:50] <Vexatos> S3, Germany is
very... dense. with 35% forest area and like 40% farmland and it
still has 30% of the US in inhabitants on 1% the area, you
basically rarely drive much between villages, unless you live in
the very northeast for example
L776[03:53:12] <Vexatos> everything's
close-ish together
L777[03:53:22] <Vexatos> so there is
always a petrol station somewhere
L778[03:53:23] <S3> Interesting
L779[03:54:04] <Vexatos> I think only like
15% of Germany's ares has any sort of road or building on it
L780[03:54:10] <Vexatos> and 80 million
people live there
L781[03:54:29] <S3> According to Google,
Maine residents are 61.3% rural
L782[03:54:35] <Vexatos> so villages and
towns are quite densely packed
L783[03:54:53] <S3> My town has somewhere
between 1000-1500 people in 40 square miles.
L784[03:55:06] <S3> The one I grew up in
was the same area but 600 people
L785[03:55:12] <Vexatos> my next villages
are 5km to the west, 6km to the south, 4km to the north and 8km to
the northeast
L786[03:55:29] <S3> and the closest city
is 30,000
L787[03:55:38] <Vexatos> my closest city
is 600k
L788[03:55:44] <S3> Our largest city is
aboyt 60K
L789[03:55:47] <Vexatos> well depends on
what you call city
L790[03:55:50] <Izaya> technically this is
a city with 35k people
L791[03:55:53] <Vexatos> there is one that
is 30k almost the same distance away
L792[03:55:55] <Izaya> It's shit.
L793[03:55:58] <Izaya> Worst city
ever.
L794[03:56:14] <Michiyo> Ok, did any more
yelling happen whilst I was out?
L795[03:56:14] <S3> SOme of ours are not
so great anymore.
L796[03:56:21] <S3> drugs have kind of
taken over
L797[03:56:26] <Vexatos> Michiyo, not
much
L798[03:56:50] <S3> Plus there are people
from out of state that move in and they won't even talk to you its
weird af
L799[03:57:03] <Michiyo> Well, it's more
than I'd like but I'll allow it
L800[03:57:05] <Vexatos> I am pretty sure
I still have moderator rights but I also don't really care
L801[03:57:30] <Michiyo> !flags
Vexatos
L802[03:57:34] <Michiyo> +Verv
L803[03:57:48] <Vexatos> not IRC but to
whatever the kick / ban command on the bot is
L804[03:58:17] <Vexatos> it's been a
while
L805[03:58:21] <Michiyo> no you have +r
which means you have +r Enables use of the KICK, KICKBAN, BAN and
UNBAN commands.
L806[03:58:27] <Vexatos> ah I see
L807[03:58:29] <Vexatos> well
whatever
L808[03:58:41] <Vexatos> I don't mind
being insulted but it was getting a bit too political for this
channel
L809[03:59:12] <Vexatos> S3, how does that
work
L810[03:59:21] <Vexatos> do people just
move there and never make friends with their neighbors?
L811[04:00:03] <Michiyo> I live in an
apartment complex with roommates, I hardly know the roommates, much
less the neighbors :P
L812[04:00:04] <S3> pretty much I guess.
They come from places my friends have told me that if you say hello
to them on the street they give you really odd looks
L813[04:00:13] <Michiyo> back in Arkansas
we were pretty close to our neighbors though
L814[04:00:45] <Vexatos> I'm from a
village where everyone knows everyone
L815[04:00:47] <Vexatos> so everyone's
friendly
L816[04:01:25] <Michiyo> The city we live
in is ~27k people, right on the edge of Portland, OR
L817[04:01:37] <Vexatos> but in Germany,
generally people would also look at you weirdly if you talked to
them as a complete stranger
L818[04:01:52] <Michiyo> Portland is
653k
L819[04:01:58] <Vexatos> one nice thing
about Germany is that you can walk through town without anyone ever
bothering you
L820[04:02:06] <Vexatos> because noone
would talk to you unless they have a legit reason
L821[04:02:10] <Izaya> That's not
normal?
L822[04:02:16] <Vexatos> apparently
not
L823[04:02:19] <Michiyo> the US annoys me
in that :P
L824[04:02:28] <Michiyo> Random stranger
please don't ask me about my day..
L825[04:02:30] <S3> haha Michiyo I was
just mentioning Portland Maine which is our biggest and that's
60K
L826[04:02:34] <Vexatos> When I was in
norway, it was full of people who walked up to you to ask for
donations and stuff
L827[04:02:36] <Michiyo> you don't care,
and I would likely scare you for life.
L828[04:02:44] <Izaya> I have lived in
this house for 6 years and I have never interacted directly with a
neighbor
L829[04:02:52] <Vexatos> and in the US
that's apparently pretty common to just talk to strangers on the
street
L830[04:02:59] <Michiyo> can
confirm.
L831[04:03:05] <Ocawesome101> what
algorithms are usually used for signature verification?
L832[04:03:05] <S3> I don't spend much
time in Portland because that's where all the scary people
live
L833[04:03:06] <Izaya> The only place
people do that here is in shopping centres
L834[04:03:07] <Vexatos> because it is
seen as polite
L835[04:03:17] <S3> we call those people
"From away" or "outsiders"
L836[04:03:23] <Izaya> and I find that
wearing my bike gear wards that off
L837[04:03:43] <Vexatos> Ocawesome101,
depends on the signature?
L838[04:03:54] <Ocawesome101> like, for
executables
L839[04:04:06] <Vexatos> depends how they
were signed
L840[04:05:10] <S3> Ever seen a real ghost
train Izaya ?
L841[04:05:14] <Vexatos> Izaya, it's a
good idea to look just weird enough that noone would want to bother
you but not weird enough to be suspicious, bike gear is pretty
decent for that :P
L842[04:05:33] <Vexatos> anyways, it's
about holy shit o'clock for me
L843[04:05:33] <Izaya> Would you believe
that wearing an armoured black leather jacket makes strangers less
inclined to talk to you?
L844[04:05:35] <Vexatos> (5 a.m.)
L845[04:05:39] <Vexatos> so I'll go take a
slep
L846[04:05:43] <Vexatos> good night
L847[04:05:47] <S3> Lol wow Vex go to
bed
L848[04:05:48] <Izaya> slep well
L849[04:05:51] <Ocawesome101> night
vex
L850[04:06:09] <Vexatos> I don't need
sleep right now I am on holiday :D
L851[04:06:19] <Vexatos> but my body does
I am starting to get nauseous
L852[04:06:21] <Vexatos> so good night
>_<
L853[04:06:21] <Izaya> S3: probably not, I
avoided observing trains in brisbane
L854[04:06:39] <S3> If you go to the north
maine woods, and start making your way west of eagle lake, you will
eventually find this in a small clearing:
L855[04:06:56] <Izaya> An express train
will pass the station in. 3. Minutes.
L856[04:06:56] <Izaya> [Cargo train
noises]
L857[04:06:59] <S3> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5C4lKXwx/image.png
L858[04:07:20] <Izaya> Looks pretty solid
to me
L859[04:07:44] <S3> It used to go to
Canada, they tore the railroad out many many years ago and it was
cheaper to leave the trains there than it was to transport
them
L860[04:08:04] <Izaya> I found a fun thing
on OSM the other day
L861[04:08:22] <Ocawesome101> OSM?
L862[04:08:24] <Izaya> At the
NSW/Queensland border there's a spot where the train line loops
over itself
L863[04:08:28] <Izaya> OpenStreetMap
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L865[04:08:36] <S3> OSM is cool
L866[04:08:41] <Ocawesome101> i see
L867[04:08:43] <S3> Huh
L868[04:08:43] <Ocawesome101> neat
L869[04:08:57] <Ariri>
Cable/pipe management game on point^
<Ariri>
Cable/pipe management game on point^L870[04:08:59] <S3> so if you were an
asshole you could route it so the train just goes in an infinite
loop?
L871[04:09:03] <Izaya> Turns out that they
built the line from opposite ends
L872[04:09:26] <Izaya> And they were like
70m off, vertically
L873[04:09:53] <Izaya> So to avoid too
steep an incline they made it corkscrew up
L874[04:10:00] <Ariri>
outstanding move
<Ariri>
outstanding moveL875[04:10:04] <S3> The union pacific was
built from opposite ends too, I forget how far they were off but
they dug a tunnel through the rocky mountain range
L876[04:10:17] <dequbed> How do you get a
train line 70 meters off?!
L877[04:10:38] <Ariri>
when you look at the schematics from the top instead of the
side
<Ariri>
when you look at the schematics from the top instead of the
sideL878[04:11:08] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/v4cJNQG8Zx6E5t1k/ds1wh9lITZyhnW5XceSEvw.jpg
L879[04:12:02] <Izaya> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougal_Spiral
L880[04:12:09] <Izaya> 30m, sorry
L881[04:12:17] <S3> I can't find the
ammount of error for the union pacific but the union pacific
railroad was built from two separate ends and it's 1,912
miles
L882[04:12:42] <S3> It's hard to find the
actual length of it without looking back because its got 32,000
miles of track now..
L883[04:12:53] <S3> which is more track
than the circumference of the earth wtf
L884[04:13:04] <Ocawesome101> dang
L885[04:13:21] <S3> nbut yeah looks like
the original was 1,900 miles about
L886[04:13:27] <Izaya> How do I get actual
units from miles again? x1.6?
L887[04:13:34] <S3> YEs
L888[04:13:40] <Ocawesome101> a mile is
1.6km so yes
L889[04:14:27] <S3> I think they were a
few hundered feet off from eachother when they got to the end
L890[04:14:30] <Izaya> that's like, 55kkm,
damn
L891[04:14:43] <S3> they were blasting
through the rockies or something and heard eachother's explosion
vibrations
L892[04:14:58] <Michiyo> I know ONE
railroad was only off by a few inches
L893[04:15:07] <S3> yeah thinmg is that
that includes every other track that comes off of it
L894[04:15:33] <Ocawesome101> SHA-256
returns 64 bytes, right?
L895[04:16:11] <S3> thats like saying
Maine has 4.18 million miles of road
L896[04:16:44] <S3>
9f86d081884c7d659a2feaa0c55ad015a3bf4f1b2b0b822cd15d6c15b0f00a08
L897[04:16:46] <S3> Start counting
L898[04:16:55] <Ocawesome101> hah
L899[04:17:10] <S3> Yes it does
L900[04:17:20] <S3> I just learned
something AMAZING
L901[04:17:41] <Izaya> Divide by 8 and you
get the actual amount of data
L902[04:17:55] <Ocawesome101> appears to
be 32 when you don't put it in hex form
L903[04:18:13] <S3> There are 46,800 miles
of roads in Maine
L904[04:18:32] <S3> There are more miles
of road in maine than there are in Alaska
L905[04:18:41] <S3> which is our largest
state
L906[04:19:43] <Ariri> %js
String.("9f86d081884c7d659a2feaa0c55ad015a3bf4f1b2b0b822cd15d6c15b0f00a08").length
<Ariri> %js
String.("9f86d081884c7d659a2feaa0c55ad015a3bf4f1b2b0b822cd15d6c15b0f00a08").lengthL907[04:19:59] <S3> and... Maine is 5% the
size of Alaska according to Google
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L909[04:20:04] <Ocawesome101> dang
L910[04:20:10] <Ariri> it
doesnt help that I dont know how to use that part of js
<Ariri> it
doesnt help that I dont know how to use that part of jsL911[04:20:26] <S3> %js 1
L912[04:20:28] <MichiBot> 1
L913[04:20:43] <Michiyo> %js
"9f86d081884c7d659a2feaa0c55ad015a3bf4f1b2b0b822cd15d6c15b0f00a08".length
L914[04:20:43] <MichiBot> 64
L915[04:20:53] <S3> %js
Array(16).join("wat" - 1) + " Batman!"
L916[04:20:54] <MichiBot>
NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Batman!
L917[04:20:58] <Ariri> For
some reason I thought that was willy
<Ariri> For
some reason I thought that was willyL918[04:21:03] <S3> That's my favorite but
everyone knew
L919[04:21:09] <Ariri>
silly* and was going to be laughed at
<Ariri>
silly* and was going to be laughed atL920[04:21:28] <dequbed> Ariri: Would be
you be surprised to learn that SHA-256 returns 256 bits of hash?
;)
L921[04:21:46] <S3> AHAHAHHAHAHA I was
waiting for someone ti point that out
L922[04:21:51] <Michiyo> :P
L923[04:21:52] <S3> I was going to say
something but heheh
L924[04:21:55] <Corded> * <Ariri>
gasps in rsa
L925[04:22:10] <S3> I'm just surprised it
too that long until dequbed had to say it
L926[04:22:39] <Ariri> Now
I want hashbrowns
<Ariri> Now
I want hashbrownsL927[04:22:46] <dequbed> Also, since that
logic is infallible SHA3 returns 3 bits of hash and Whirlpool
returls `rlpool` bits of data
L928[04:22:51] <S3> Ocawesome101: All you
gotta do is / 8
L929[04:23:10] <Ocawesome101> eh,
w/e
L930[04:23:27] <dequbed> So, don't use
Whirlpool if you need a numeric amount of hash bits is what I'm
saying!
L931[04:23:39] <Ocawesome101> lol
L932[04:23:43] <Ariri>
Scrambled bits of egg with a side of disk platter slices,
anyone?
<Ariri>
Scrambled bits of egg with a side of disk platter slices,
anyone?L933[04:23:44] <S3> I am using Jenkins
hashing in my Lua stuff its easy to implement and suits my
needs
L934[04:24:03] <S3> and I'm using it to
generate 32 bit hashes
L935[04:24:28] <S3> It's good enough for
making hash tables
L936[04:24:37] *
CompanionCube tries to think of a joke involving DES;
can't.
L937[04:25:00] <dequbed> DES *is* the
joke
L938[04:25:28] <CompanionCube> oh, i've
got one
L939[04:26:44] <CompanionCube> you've all
heard of the Standard Text Editor, ed. To secure your text files,
encrypt them using the Data Encryption Standard. No need for any
bloated 'Advanced' stuff here!
L940[04:27:09] *
CompanionCube prepares to be pelted for making the above
joke.
L941[04:27:29] <Ocawesome101> %pelt
L942[04:27:34] <Ocawesome101> %pelt
CompanionCube
L943[04:28:01] <CompanionCube> try a
different attack?
L944[04:28:21] <Ocawesome101> %stab
CompanionCube
L945[04:28:21] <MichiBot> Ocawesome101 is
trying to stab CompanionCube! They have 5 minutes if they want to
attempt to %defend against it!
L946[04:28:27] <CompanionCube>
%defend
L947[04:28:27] <MichiBot> Specify an
action as the first parameter: block, guard, deflect, parry,
counterspell, dodge
L948[04:28:34] <CompanionCube> %defend
dodge
L949[04:28:34] <MichiBot> CompanionCube
failed to dodge Ocawesome101 wielding the secret stash of toilet
paper. With a 4 vs 12 CompanionCube takes the full 3 damage.
L950[04:28:38] <CompanionCube> :(
L951[04:28:40] <Ocawesome101> haha
L952[04:28:51] <Michiyo> you can also just
%dodge
L953[04:28:56] <Michiyo> or, %block
L954[04:28:57] <Michiyo> etc
L955[04:29:03] <CompanionCube>
Ocawesome101: was it at least the good stuff or was it 1-ply
garbage?
L956[04:29:27] <Ocawesome101> it was 1-ply
garbage, the better stuff i use as toilet paper
L957[04:29:30] <Ocawesome101> :P
L958[04:29:50] <CompanionCube> tfw not
even stabbed with *good* toilet paper
L959[04:43:44] <Izaya> hey
L960[04:43:46] <Izaya> hey
L961[04:43:48] <Izaya> wanna see something
funny?
L962[04:44:18] <Ocawesome101> sure?
L963[04:44:20] <Ariri>
:O
<Ariri>
:OL964[04:44:37] <Izaya> https://hackers.town/system/media_attachments/files/002/489/766/original/88da5cb3c9797ecc.png
L965[04:45:03] <ThePiGuy24> ah yes what a great
idea
<ThePiGuy24> ah yes what a great
ideaL966[04:45:08] <Izaya> someone in another
channel reminded me of that post and lmao
L967[04:45:14] <Ocawesome101> well
then
L968[04:45:36] <Ariri>
Discord is hate bc no removing phone 2fa + totp not counting as
verified
<Ariri>
Discord is hate bc no removing phone 2fa + totp not counting as
verifiedL969[04:46:08] <Izaya> That's the reason
you hate it? Not all the other scummy stuff they do?
L970[04:46:15] <Izaya> Isn't that just
them continuing the war on their own users?
L971[04:46:40] <ThePiGuy24> the only reason i still use
it is because i cant convince my friends not to
<ThePiGuy24> the only reason i still use
it is because i cant convince my friends not toL972[04:46:49] <Ariri>
%s/verified/verified + [etc etc etc]
<Ariri>
%s/verified/verified + [etc etc etc]L973[04:46:50] <MichiBot> <Ariri>
Discord is hate bc no removing phone 2fa + totp not counting as
verified + [etc etc etc]
L974[04:47:36] <ThePiGuy24> although i kinda feel in the
mood to hack up the client to use it as a frontend for irc :p
<ThePiGuy24> although i kinda feel in the
mood to hack up the client to use it as a frontend for irc :pL975[04:48:10] <Ariri> mfw
discord data pkg after 1 year of use with analytics on = 1000% of
2.5yr data pkg after analytics disabled and 'deleted'
<Ariri> mfw
discord data pkg after 1 year of use with analytics on = 1000% of
2.5yr data pkg after analytics disabled and 'deleted'L976[04:48:18] <ThePiGuy24> though that would probably
net me a cease and decist
<ThePiGuy24> though that would probably
net me a cease and decistL977[04:48:23] <Izaya> there's already
half a dozen ways to use a document viewer to access IRC smh
L978[04:48:36] <ThePiGuy24> yeah ik
<ThePiGuy24> yeah ikL979[04:48:55] <ThePiGuy24> also i still have the view
that electron is a crime
<ThePiGuy24> also i still have the view
that electron is a crimeL980[04:48:55] <Izaya> on a mostly
unrelated note
L981[04:49:16] <Izaya> it amuses me that I
am talking to Discord users from an XMPP client with IRC as the
middle ground
L982[04:50:18] <ThePiGuy24> oh and im also writing a 3d
renderer in oc because im masochistic
<ThePiGuy24> oh and im also writing a 3d
renderer in oc because im masochisticL983[04:51:09] <ThePiGuy24> wireframe for now but maybe
not later
<ThePiGuy24> wireframe for now but maybe
not laterL984[04:51:35] <Ocawesome101> ok now turn
it into a minecraft client so we can run it with zenith's minecraft
server and finally run minecraft in minecraft
L985[04:51:46] <Izaya> cursed
L986[04:51:50] <ThePiGuy24> no im not that
masochistic
<ThePiGuy24> no im not that
masochisticL987[04:52:01] <Izaya> what if minecraft
but it's rendered in 2D and played like dwarf fortress
L988[04:52:38] <Ocawesome101> i actually
have considered making something like that
L989[04:52:58] <Izaya> I have like 3/4 of
something like that written
L990[04:53:39] <Izaya> can render scenes
and move around, modify them at runtime, only thing missing is
blocks having different properties
L991[04:56:59]
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L992[04:57:09] <ThePiGuy24> oh and this 3d renderer was
started before gpu buffers were added :p
<ThePiGuy24> oh and this 3d renderer was
started before gpu buffers were added :pL993[04:57:23] <ThePiGuy24> so no inneficient drawing for
me :p
<ThePiGuy24> so no inneficient drawing for
me :pL994[04:58:06] <ThePiGuy24> well its using subpixels so i
only need to call gpu.set for the height of the screen
<ThePiGuy24> well its using subpixels so i
only need to call gpu.set for the height of the screenL995[04:59:08] <Izaya> dequbed: holy shit
it exists https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/dynamic-trees-forestry
L996[05:00:29] <Izaya> > dynamic
twilight forest trees
L997[05:05:46] <Ocawesome101> why not port
it to buffers?
L998[05:06:28] <ThePiGuy24> because the pack i play on
doesnt have a version of oc that has buffers
<ThePiGuy24> because the pack i play on
doesnt have a version of oc that has buffersL999[05:07:55] <Ocawesome101> ah
L1000[05:07:57] <Ocawesome101> fair
L1001[05:13:28] <ThePiGuy24> ok cool my brain says no
sleep
<ThePiGuy24> ok cool my brain says no
sleepL1002[05:13:53] <S3> So all I need is a
real time clock now and I can use the gpu pallette to make
animations
L1003[05:14:37] <ThePiGuy24> real time is overrated
<ThePiGuy24> real time is overratedL1004[05:14:43] <S3> Not really
L1005[05:15:09] <S3> It's important when
the performance of the system is already unreliable
L1006[05:15:23] <S3> on real hardware it
wasn't needed
L1007[05:15:42] <S3> because you could
precisely predict, within nanosecconds, how much error there was
going to be
L1008[05:15:45] <bad at
vijya> ez
<bad at
vijya> ezL1009[05:21:20] <Izaya> S3:
computer.uptime()
L1010[05:21:29] <Izaya> also, https://oc.cil.li/topic/1985-realtime-real-world-time-in-opencomputers/
L1011[05:22:37] <S3> Ok, so my next
wonder is, if I change the pallette, does it change the existing
pixels colors on the screen
L1012[05:22:50] <S3> I was going to test
it but I don't have MC loaded
L1013[05:22:58] <Izaya> > when a real
company does a bad apple demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4GrfLQImYg
L1014[05:22:58] <MichiBot> BAD APPLE
demo on 2.7" Sharp memory display | length: 38s |
Likes: 69 Dislikes: 2 Views: 1,565 | by Adafruit
Industries | Published On 25/8/2020
L1015[05:23:23] <ThePiGuy24> S3: i belive it does
<ThePiGuy24> S3: i belive it doesL1016[05:23:56] <S3> This is very
good
L1017[05:24:56] <ThePiGuy24> just tested: it does
<ThePiGuy24> just tested: it doesL1018[05:25:44] <S3> I wish the pallette
was more like 64 colors but this will do
L1019[05:26:07] <S3> Even the NES had
56
L1020[05:29:22] <S3> OH
L1021[05:29:52] <S3> if I can swap the
collor pallette at least 50 fps I can give the illusion of 32
colors, I did forgot about that trick
L1022[05:29:58] <S3> simply by blurring
the two colors together
L1023[05:30:26] <ThePiGuy24> not a great trick if your
game runs at <50fps
<ThePiGuy24> not a great trick if your
game runs at <50fpsL1024[05:30:56] <S3> Right. I was just
thinking about how fast I could do it
L1025[05:33:00] <S3> Now if only I could
do something like the way that you used to be able to use hardware
interrupts to copy pixels on the screen, and no, I don't mean like
a copy routine, I'm thinking about a very different kind of
copy
L1026[05:39:59] <bad at
vijya> Izaya: are bad apple tests the norm now?
<bad at
vijya> Izaya: are bad apple tests the norm now?L1027[05:40:23] <S3> Whys that
L1028[05:40:39] <S3> Ok so we have 240
colors in all
L1029[05:40:43] <S3> I'm looking at the
API
L1030[05:41:03] <S3> I hope that the gpu
allows me to have at least two buffers display at the same time. It
would be even better if one of the colors was transparent
L1031[05:42:19] <S3> Something more
important is copying between buffers
L1032[05:42:26] <ThePiGuy24> yes i really wish transparent
was a colour
<ThePiGuy24> yes i really wish transparent
was a colourL1033[05:42:31] <Ocawesome101> you can
blit from buffer to buffer
L1034[05:42:58] <Ocawesome101> and you
can blit multiple buffers to the screen, they don't have to be
buffers of the whole screen
L1035[05:43:58] <S3> I saw the partial
thing. can you layer them on top of eachother?
L1036[05:44:30] <S3> to be fair, two
layers is all you ever need
L1037[05:44:31] <S3> but
L1038[05:44:53]
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Cervator)
L1039[05:45:26] <S3> I don't see anything
aboyt a transparent color
L1040[05:47:13] <S3> I admit it would be
nice if the GPU had a built in print
L1041[05:47:51] <S3> But that's the least
of my worries
L1042[05:50:14] <Ocawesome101> you can't
do transparency unfortunately
L1043[05:50:20] <Ocawesome101> what are
you attempting to make?
L1044[05:52:42] <S3> I was going to try
and make a demo for OC
L1045[05:52:57] <S3> you know kind of
like a c64, nes, genesis, etc demo
L1046[05:53:46] <ThePiGuy24> the demoscene is cool
<ThePiGuy24> the demoscene is coolL1047[05:54:03] <ThePiGuy24> pushing hardware to its
limits, then a little bit further
<ThePiGuy24> pushing hardware to its
limits, then a little bit furtherL1048[05:55:20] <S3> Most of what I need
seems to be here
L1049[05:55:33] <S3> A palette is the
first requirement
L1050[05:55:37] <S3> and being able to
change it on the flu
L1051[05:55:39] <S3> fly*
L1052[05:57:12] <ThePiGuy24> from my testing it seems that
you can only change a pallete colour like 30-40 times a
second
<ThePiGuy24> from my testing it seems that
you can only change a pallete colour like 30-40 times a
secondL1053[05:57:17] <ThePiGuy24> which sucks
<ThePiGuy24> which sucksL1054[05:57:27] <Ocawesome101> also with
the 240 available colors what more do you need
L1055[05:57:59] <S3> That may be
enough
L1056[05:58:25] <ThePiGuy24> usually in demos, switching
palette colours is a very fast way to update many pixels at
once
<ThePiGuy24> usually in demos, switching
palette colours is a very fast way to update many pixels at
onceL1057[05:58:28] <S3> so for example, The
NES was usually around 50-60 fps depending on performance of the
game
L1058[05:58:33] <S3> but it was
interlaced
L1059[05:58:41] <S3> and every frame drew
only half the screen
L1060[05:58:47] <S3> At least in
NTSC
L1061[05:58:53] <S3> the tv only drew it
25 fps
L1062[05:58:57] <S3> Least mine
L1063[05:58:59] <Izaya> delete NTSC
L1064[05:59:04] <Ocawesome101> i
see
L1065[05:59:06] <ThePiGuy24> ntsc is shit
<ThePiGuy24> ntsc is shitL1066[05:59:15] <ThePiGuy24> pal is much better
<ThePiGuy24> pal is much betterL1067[05:59:21] <S3> PAL was
simpler
L1068[05:59:25] <S3> I wouldn't say it
was better
L1069[05:59:31] <Izaya> I would.
L1070[05:59:51] <ThePiGuy24> nearly every aspect is
better
<ThePiGuy24> nearly every aspect is
betterL1071[05:59:58] <Izaya> NTSC artifacting
is neat but... no.
L1072[06:00:52] <S3> Artifacting is
avoidable in NTSC, and it can happen in PAL too
L1073[06:01:25] <S3> I will say though,
if I were to make my own hardware, I wouldn't use either, I would
use VGA
L1074[06:01:28] <ThePiGuy24> sometimes its desirable
<ThePiGuy24> sometimes its desirableL1075[06:01:28] <S3> VGA is extremely
simple.
L1076[06:01:47] <ThePiGuy24> VGA is in my mind;
irreplacable
<ThePiGuy24> VGA is in my mind;
irreplacableL1077[06:01:59] <ThePiGuy24> its too simple to fail
<ThePiGuy24> its too simple to failL1078[06:02:36] <ThePiGuy24> and it has outlived
interfaces that were meant to replace it
<ThePiGuy24> and it has outlived
interfaces that were meant to replace itL1079[06:02:37] <S3> on my homebrew multi
board computer I was considering of making a VGA thing for it
L1080[06:03:14] <S3> Most of it is pretty
easy, video memory and buffering, even double buffering and things
are simple concepts. The problem was sprite functionality
L1081[06:03:38] <ThePiGuy24> sprites usually need
dedicated hardware
<ThePiGuy24> sprites usually need
dedicated hardwareL1082[06:03:59] <ThePiGuy24> as they are difficult to pull
of at a reasonable speed in software usually
<ThePiGuy24> as they are difficult to pull
of at a reasonable speed in software usuallyL1083[06:04:12] <ThePiGuy24> %s/of/off
<ThePiGuy24> %s/of/offL1084[06:04:12] <MichiBot>
<ThePiGuy24> as they are difficult to pull off at a
reasonable speed in software usually
L1085[06:04:16] <S3> I had no problem
with just drawing sprites to the screen, the idea was that the font
would be sprites, 8x10 actually so they fit nice in 640x480
L1086[06:04:29] <Ocawesome101>
simple
L1087[06:04:33] <S3> but the issue was
drawing sprites on top of eachother, or transparency
L1088[06:04:33] <ThePiGuy24> use unscii 8 :p
<ThePiGuy24> use unscii 8 :pL1089[06:04:36] <Ocawesome101> implement
sprites using buffers
L1090[06:04:45] <S3> heh
L1091[06:04:57] <S3> layering is probably
the best way to do it
L1092[06:05:05] <S3> I think the genesis
had 3 layers
L1093[06:05:40] <S3> background.
foreground, and sprite layer actually. I never did any genesis
programming so I don't know if you can use the other layers for
sprites or if only the sprite layer can read sprite memory
L1094[06:05:44] <ThePiGuy24> probably the easiest way to
do it on a modern homebrew computer is to just run the cpu at a
faster speed and do it in software
<ThePiGuy24> probably the easiest way to
do it on a modern homebrew computer is to just run the cpu at a
faster speed and do it in softwareL1095[06:05:55] <S3> well you know
thepiguy
L1096[06:06:04] <S3> some systems did
that
L1097[06:06:22] <S3> I think you had to
do that with one of the Atari's, I can't remember which
L1098[06:06:33] <ThePiGuy24> ST?
<ThePiGuy24> ST?L1099[06:06:36] <S3> Perhaps
L1100[06:06:56] <S3> One of them, only
had like a 7 pixel buffer
L1101[06:08:05] <S3> But anyways, I was
thinking of keeping sprite memory off of video ram
L1102[06:08:16] <S3> and doing some kind
of DMA thing
L1103[06:08:44] <S3> so what you would do
is in the video memory you would spcify pointers in main
memory
L1104[06:09:13] <S3> and it would DMA
them between the frames into the buffer, which my buffer was
exactly 640 pixels wide and 1 pixel tall
L1105[06:09:37] <S3> VGA is practical
because there's a lot of time between every line and a lot of time
between every frame
L1106[06:12:44] <S3> The other idea was
to have sprite buffers in video ram and then just DMA the ones I
want to use on the screen every frame.
L1107[06:13:23] <ThePiGuy24> well theres dual port ram
which you can read/write to independently
<ThePiGuy24> well theres dual port ram
which you can read/write to independentlyL1108[06:13:43] <S3> That stuff is
toxic
L1109[06:14:21] <ThePiGuy24> how so?
<ThePiGuy24> how so?L1110[06:22:08] <S3> There's many
different kinds of dual ported memory, but it is henerally
expensive compared to single ported and if you look at how those
systems worked back then, they never used the stuff, it's just not
needed.
L1111[06:22:43] <Izaya> just run the RAM
at twice the speed of the processor
L1112[06:22:52] <S3> right
L1113[06:23:44] <S3> well I can't
remember where my notes are but I believe my DMA runs 24x processor
speed
L1114[06:23:50] <S3> somewhere around
there
L1115[06:24:03] <S3> I use the cycle
stealing approach and run the cpu 1 of those cycles
L1116[06:24:13] <S3> all of the rest are
DMA copies
L1117[06:24:39] <S3> the DMA and MMU are
in the same CPLD
L1118[06:24:55] <S3> and the MMU has its
own dedicated SRAM for allocating memory mapped IO
L1119[06:25:05] <S3> (which you can write
to)
L1120[06:25:43] <S3> What runs even
faster than the DMA is the data bus because it's serial
L1121[06:26:10] <S3> and what I want to
do is use toslink diodes
L1122[06:26:32] <S3> and just use the
same fiber you use for apdif or so, I found the diodes and
connectors online for cheap
L1123[06:29:00] <S3> Basically the MMU
keeps track of an IO port number and a remote memory address, and
part of the DMA system handles the transmission of the data to the
destination IO boards onto their memory
L1124[06:29:47] <S3> This is also how
multiple CPUs can talk to eachother if I wanted to make an
additional CPU mainboard I can just connect it via a fiber cable
and it's done.
L1125[06:32:38] <S3> The CPU consists of
its own CPLD that manages stack memory and connects to the MMU/DMA
controller as well as a PAD memory chip which in a normal computer
you would refer to as main memory. It's basically just an SRAM chip
that you can place things in that aren't being processed on the
stack.
L1126[06:34:02] <S3> and finally you have
dictionary memory, which I can either use the beginning of the PAD
for or I can use a dedicated SRAM chip for that too. I'll probably
just use the PAD memory, and use a 64K chip for that or so
L1127[06:34:16] <S3> ideally even 16K
would be enough
L1128[06:35:04] <S3> If I needed a lot of
auiliary memory, I could just build a memory board with even
megabytes of memory and connect it to a fiber port
L1129[06:35:11] <S3> then just map it in
the MMU
L1130[06:35:58] <S3> Izaya: stop me from
monologue-ing :P
L1131[06:46:31] <Ocawesome101> night
nerds, ima sign off
L1132[06:47:08]
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probably going to bed.)
L1133[06:48:58]
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DBotThePony)
L1134[06:50:14] <Izaya> > see neat
mod
L1135[06:50:17] <Izaya> > oh that
seems useful
L1136[06:50:25] <Izaya> > author:
asiekierka
L1137[06:50:32] <Izaya> seal of quality I
see
L1138[06:57:15] <S3> I wonder if I can do
a boing ball with 16 colors
L1139[06:57:24] <S3> The original uses
32
L1140[06:57:31] <ThePiGuy24> like the amiga demo :p
<ThePiGuy24> like the amiga demo :pL1141[06:57:39] <S3> That's the
point
L1142[07:15:08] <ThePiGuy24> ayy i got continuous tape
playback working
<ThePiGuy24> ayy i got continuous tape
playback workingL1143[07:16:01] <BrianH> oh?
<BrianH> oh?L1144[07:16:23] <BrianH> you mean like tape changing
without interruption?
<BrianH> you mean like tape changing
without interruption?L1145[07:16:31] <ThePiGuy24> no
<ThePiGuy24> noL1146[07:16:55] <ThePiGuy24> basically using the tape as
an audio buffer, playing a stream from the computer
<ThePiGuy24> basically using the tape as
an audio buffer, playing a stream from the computerL1147[07:17:06] <BrianH> hmm.
<BrianH> hmm.L1148[07:17:17] <BrianH> whats the sample rate like
<BrianH> whats the sample rate likeL1149[07:17:25] <ThePiGuy24> same as normal
<ThePiGuy24> same as normalL1150[07:17:43] <BrianH> so now what you need is an in
game microphone
<BrianH> so now what you need is an in
game microphoneL1151[07:17:50] <BrianH> and generate FSK data
<BrianH> and generate FSK dataL1152[07:17:57] <BrianH> and use it to network
computers
<BrianH> and use it to network
computersL1153[07:18:21] <ThePiGuy24> i know im insane but im not
that insane
<ThePiGuy24> i know im insane but im not
that insaneL1154[07:20:04] <BrianH> lol
<BrianH> lolL1155[07:20:31] <ThePiGuy24> eh it even works on chunks as
small as 1.5k
<ThePiGuy24> eh it even works on chunks as
small as 1.5kL1157[07:20:43] <MichiBot> Isaac Miell
- Dial up modem remix | length: 2m 1s | Likes:
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Published On 16/1/2012
L1158[07:21:31] <ThePiGuy24> now to make it play straight
from the internet :p
<ThePiGuy24> now to make it play straight
from the internet :pL1159[07:21:37] <BrianH> LOL
<BrianH> LOLL1160[07:21:57] <BrianH> you could make it support
MOC
<BrianH> you could make it support
MOCL1161[07:21:58] <ThePiGuy24> not even sure whether i can
read fast enough for that
<ThePiGuy24> not even sure whether i can
read fast enough for thatL1162[07:22:10] <BrianH> that's what buffers are for
<BrianH> that's what buffers are forL1163[07:22:21] <ThePiGuy24> uh, 2kb/tick
<ThePiGuy24> uh, 2kb/tickL1164[07:22:27] <ThePiGuy24> 40kb/s
<ThePiGuy24> 40kb/sL1165[07:22:30] <ThePiGuy24> thats fine
<ThePiGuy24> thats fineL1166[07:22:37]
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L1167[07:22:41] <ThePiGuy24> only need 6kb/s
<ThePiGuy24> only need 6kb/sL1168[07:23:08] <BrianH> so then you should be able to
throw it into a buffer then no problem and never worry about
underrun
<BrianH> so then you should be able to
throw it into a buffer then no problem and never worry about
underrunL1169[07:23:29] <ThePiGuy24> eh i just pretend
underrunning doesnt exist :p
<ThePiGuy24> eh i just pretend
underrunning doesnt exist :pL1170[07:23:36] <BrianH> lol
<BrianH> lolL1171[07:23:58] <Izaya> ah yes
L1172[07:24:13] <Izaya> the debian
package is a script to download a .tar.gz and unpack it with a
postinstall command
L1173[07:24:18] <Izaya> hold still while
I glass you
L1174[07:26:09] <BrianH> huh grafx2 is available for
haiku
<BrianH> huh grafx2 is available for
haikuL1175[07:27:08] <Forecaster> %tonkout
<Forecaster> %tonkoutL1176[07:27:08] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Forecaster, you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 8 hours,
24 minutes and 3 seconds this time. 8 hours, 17 minutes and 57
seconds were wasted! Missed by 6 minutes and 5 seconds!
L1177[07:27:15] <Forecaster> Dammit
<Forecaster> DammitL1178[07:29:21] <Forecaster> I forgot the 9 minutes
<Forecaster> I forgot the 9 minutesL1179[07:30:00] <ThePiGuy24> ok it works?
<ThePiGuy24> ok it works?L1180[07:30:07] <ThePiGuy24> it sorta works
<ThePiGuy24> it sorta worksL1181[07:30:15] <ThePiGuy24> but it is not great at
all
<ThePiGuy24> but it is not great at
allL1182[07:36:04] <ThePiGuy24> sounds like its repeating
each chunk twice
<ThePiGuy24> sounds like its repeating
each chunk twiceL1183[07:36:22] <ThePiGuy24> sometimes thrice or
more
<ThePiGuy24> sometimes thrice or
moreL1184[07:37:13] <ThePiGuy24> oh
<ThePiGuy24> ohL1185[07:37:54] <ThePiGuy24> the internet component always
returns 2048 bytes, spread across multiple reads
<ThePiGuy24> the internet component always
returns 2048 bytes, spread across multiple readsL1186[07:38:06] <ThePiGuy24> well thats irritating
<ThePiGuy24> well thats irritatingL1187[07:47:15] <ThePiGuy24> after a bit of fuckery its
working
<ThePiGuy24> after a bit of fuckery its
workingL1188[07:48:21] <S3> you can't read the
Internet component buffer at once?
L1189[07:48:32] <ThePiGuy24> sadly not
<ThePiGuy24> sadly notL1190[07:49:43] <S3> Weird
L1191[07:52:48] <Izaya> So uh
L1192[07:52:57] <Izaya> anyone know what
the current preferred game <-> IRC connector is?
L1193[07:53:06] <Izaya> game being
Minecraft, of course
L1194[07:53:47] <S3> I liked the one that
looked kind of like whats that command line client everone seems to
like..
L1195[07:53:56] <S3> starts with a
w..
L1196[07:54:04] <S3> I hate it, but I use
irssi so whatever
L1197[07:54:11] <Izaya> weechat
L1198[07:54:15] <S3> yes
L1199[07:54:21] <S3> somebody made a
weechat lookalike
L1200[07:54:27] <S3> I don't remember if
it was gamax or what
L1201[07:54:31] <Izaya> ... as a
Minecraft mod?
L1202[07:54:40] <S3> OH
L1203[07:54:43] <S3> I thought you mean
OC
L1204[07:54:48] <Izaya> nah nah
L1205[07:54:49] <ThePiGuy24> i know that matterbridge/link
is one way
<ThePiGuy24> i know that matterbridge/link
is one wayL1206[07:54:51] <S3> as a minecraft mod I
have no idea
L1207[07:55:00] <Izaya> matterlink is
about a trillion times more complex than I'd like
L1208[07:55:42] <Izaya> and it has the
usual Nikky features of poor documentation, compiling JVM code from
source, and unnecessary complexity
L1209[07:55:53] <Izaya> I used to use
EiraIRC but that isn't updated
L1210[07:56:26] <Izaya> Huh, Devotion IRC
got an update
L1211[07:56:27] <S3> Modern IRC protocol
data is complicated
L1212[07:56:29] <Izaya> Maybe I'll try
that
L1213[07:56:41] <S3> I like the
traditional protocol spec
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L1217[07:58:05] <wolfpan> wow
L1218[07:58:34] <S3> ?
L1219[07:58:54] <wolfpan> interesting
program
L1220[07:59:38] <S3> Using WocChat are
we
L1221[07:59:52] <wolfpan> sure
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L1225[08:19:53] <ThePiGuy24> now i need to make some sort
of terrible "api" that allows me to convert
mp3/wav/flac/whatever streams into dfpwm on the fly :p
<ThePiGuy24> now i need to make some sort
of terrible "api" that allows me to convert
mp3/wav/flac/whatever streams into dfpwm on the fly :pL1226[08:54:39] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL1227[08:54:39] <MichiBot> You drink a
fiery lime potion (New!). Once empty the potion bottle fills with a
different potion.
L1228[08:54:50] <Forecaster> %sip again
<Forecaster> %sip againL1229[08:54:50] <MichiBot> This doesn't
seem to be a potion I recognize... Make sure it has an appearance
and consistency keyword, and the word "potion" in
it.
L1230[08:55:07] <Forecaster> %sip again potion
<Forecaster> %sip again potionL1231[08:55:07] <MichiBot> You drink a
cloudy weather potion (New!). A bunch of people in white coats
approach Forecaster. They successfully evaded it with a 20 vs DC
12!
L1232[08:55:35] <Forecaster> Cloudy weather huh, that's
pretty accurate for where I am
<Forecaster> Cloudy weather huh, that's
pretty accurate for where I amL1233[08:56:09] <ThePiGuy24> the way that sentence is
phrased makes it seem like the people in white coats successfully
avoided you
<ThePiGuy24> the way that sentence is
phrased makes it seem like the people in white coats successfully
avoided youL1234[08:58:45] <Forecaster> Everything after the last
period is the same no matter what the event is
<Forecaster> Everything after the last
period is the same no matter what the event isL1235[08:59:17] <Forecaster> I should expand it to allow
specifying the fail and success strings probably
<Forecaster> I should expand it to allow
specifying the fail and success strings probablyL1236[09:03:41]
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L1238[09:24:40] <Izaya> hm
L1239[09:25:09] <Izaya> if I could get
MultiMC to run different commands based on the platform I could
make this auto-update easily enough on well-set-up systems
L1240[09:26:30] <ThePiGuy24> just dont release it for
windows :p
<ThePiGuy24> just dont release it for
windows :pL1241[09:26:44] <Izaya> the plan was to
noop on windows
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L1243[09:34:25] <Izaya> but run a script
to pull a git repo on systems where that's practical
L1244[09:35:00] <ThePiGuy24> just package separate windows
and good os ones
<ThePiGuy24> just package separate windows
and good os onesL1245[09:39:14] <euan>
yo could someone help me out thank you
<euan>
yo could someone help me out thank youL1246[09:39:25] <euan>
i'm trying to get a tape to work
<euan>
i'm trying to get a tape to workL1247[09:39:41] <euan>
it would really help
<euan>
it would really helpL1248[09:39:43] <ThePiGuy24> what problem are you
having?
<ThePiGuy24> what problem are you
having?L1249[09:40:16] <euan>
so i have all the parts for the computer and drives
<euan>
so i have all the parts for the computer and drivesL1250[09:40:24] <euan>
i have a tape floppy
<euan>
i have a tape floppyL1251[09:40:41] <euan>
the cassette is in the drive
<euan>
the cassette is in the driveL1252[09:41:02] <euan>
and i have the link to my dfpwm file
<euan>
and i have the link to my dfpwm fileL1253[09:41:28] <euan>
when i trying to right "tape write <file url>
<euan>
when i trying to right "tape write <file url>L1254[09:42:02] <ThePiGuy24> what error does it
give?
<ThePiGuy24> what error does it
give?L1256[09:45:51]
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L1257[09:45:57] <ThePiGuy24> cp /mnt/410/usr/bin/tape.lua
/usr/bin/tape.lua
<ThePiGuy24> cp /mnt/410/usr/bin/tape.lua
/usr/bin/tape.luaL1258[09:46:22] <euan>
btw i'm really new to this
<euan>
btw i'm really new to thisL1259[09:46:30] <euan>
should have mentioned
<euan>
should have mentionedL1260[09:49:44]
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L1263[10:04:47] <euan>
pain
<euan>
painL1264[10:06:48] <Inari> Hmm
interesting
L1265[10:06:52] <Inari> This site has no
passwords
L1266[10:07:06] <Inari> Instead you enter
your mail and it sends you a code that you then enter to
login
L1267[10:07:23] <Inari> I wonder what the
security implications are. Seems nicer than passwords at
least
L1268[10:09:54] <euan>
i just wanna hit tape write 😭
<euan>
i just wanna hit tape write 😭L1269[10:14:32] <Inari> ?
L1271[10:15:28] <MichiBot> https://towerofawesome.org is DOWN
L1272[10:15:34] <Forecaster> Crud
<Forecaster> CrudL1273[10:17:21] <Inari> rip
L1274[10:28:48] <Forecaster> Hopefully it's just my
external ip that changed...
<Forecaster> Hopefully it's just my
external ip that changed...L1275[10:36:47] <Forecaster> I really need to get around
to making my server auto update that
<Forecaster> I really need to get around
to making my server auto update thatL1276[10:45:49]
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Lizzy is now known as Lizziananana
L1280[12:25:42] <dequbed> Izaya:
\o/
L1281[12:29:31] <dequbed> Izaya: Also
having multimc maintain a git-annex repo was absolute pain and we
defaulted back to $updaterscript
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L1284[13:03:07] <S3> I never liked
multimc
L1285[13:03:14] <S3> the source code of
that thing is a mess
L1286[13:06:32] <S3> Looks like I a
ditching IDEA. now that I got the projects importing and gradle
working finally the want it takes several seconds for characters to
type when I type them
L1287[13:07:04] <S3> Maybe vscode has
some really nice plugins
L1288[13:26:53] <S3> HAHAHAHAHA
L1289[13:27:05] <S3> Installing Java
language plugins uninstalled visual studio code
L1290[13:27:30] <S3> I have never seen
anything like it
L1291[13:50:16] <DaComputerNerd> lol
<DaComputerNerd> lolL1292[13:50:23] <DaComputerNerd> how did you do that
<DaComputerNerd> how did you do thatL1293[13:52:48] <S3> I don't know but it
was messed up, even removed the entire folder off disk
L1294[13:53:05] <DaComputerNerd> impressive
<DaComputerNerd> impressiveL1295[13:53:21] <DaComputerNerd> i like that multimc
actually works on linux
<DaComputerNerd> i like that multimc
actually works on linuxL1296[13:54:02] <S3> I think I got it to
work on FreeBSD but I never put a PR in
L1297[13:54:16] <Izaya> as opposed to
not?
L1298[13:54:16] <S3> I DID however put in
a PR recently for OCVM FreeBSD support
L1299[13:54:18] *
Izaya squints
L1300[13:54:49] <S3> lol
L1301[13:55:04] <Izaya> I don't remember
much from when I used the vanilla launcher
L1302[13:55:11] <Izaya> but it was a jar
file that just werked
L1303[13:56:36] <S3> Using my toaster is
fun
L1304[13:56:56] <S3> I wait in front of
it for to start smoking and try to pull out the toast / bagel
before it catches fire
L1305[13:57:14] <S3> if it catches fire I
can Pop it ouut still, wait for it to cool then put it back in to
get the ammount of brown I like
L1306[13:57:25] <DaComputerNerd> multimc works perfectly
on fedora
<DaComputerNerd> multimc works perfectly
on fedoraL1307[13:58:05] <Izaya> I gather they
replaced the vanilla launcher with a web browser
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L1309[14:00:36] <S3> huh
L1310[14:04:46] <dequbed> Izaya: That
sounds ergh. The technic launcher just uses FX which is bad enough
with modern java.
L1311[14:06:05] <Izaya> Haven't used it
myself but [x] do not want
L1312[14:06:16] <Izaya> also I realised I
already have the perfect OC emulation machine
L1313[14:06:18] <Izaya> 6 of them,
even
L1314[14:06:24] <dequbed> o no
L1315[14:07:01] <Izaya> the IdeaPad S10e
has a 1C2T 1.6Ghz Intel Atom processor, 2GB of RAM, a 160GB HDD,
and a 1024x576 display
L1316[14:10:06] <BrianH> I think it'd be cool to make a
mini OC block IRL with OCVM on it
<BrianH> I think it'd be cool to make a
mini OC block IRL with OCVM on itL1317[14:10:17] <BrianH> and little blocks you can add on
for screen etc
<BrianH> and little blocks you can add on
for screen etcL1318[14:10:47] <Izaya> I was planning
for a thin client strapped to the back of a 1280x1024 LCD
L1319[14:11:07] <Izaya> something like a
500Mhz Geode, 256M of RAM and a little bit of flash
L1320[14:12:59] <Izaya> the idea would be
to write a tiny init wrapper that spawns an ocvm/lupi instance on a
different vty for each CPU thread
L1321[14:14:23] <S3> port OCVM to DOS and
just run freedos
L1322[14:14:24] <S3> :D
L1323[14:14:38] <S3> but you would need
to provide some os functions that DOS doesnt have
L1324[14:14:43] <Izaya> I mean, it'd be
less overhead
L1325[14:14:45] <Izaya> but also
L1326[14:14:47] <Izaya> no
L1327[14:24:58] <S3> I think Unicode
would be fun
L1328[14:25:09] <Izaya> https://expired.mentality.rip/media/d7044703ef656a53fd568d6b5a5d2d1fa57be3193c91fb82b839a33e279d2352.jpg
L1329[14:26:09] <dequbed> Izaya: If that
were common mentality we had at least less people that don't use
turn indicators - they payed for them after all
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L1332[14:35:01] <Amanda> dequbed: but the
people who don't are the people who can afford to buy large things
just to use small parts of it
L1333[14:35:13] <Amanda> Say, BMW
drivers
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L1338[14:56:35] <S3> I use my bblinkers
but as a driver you should be paying attention to the other
drivers' motives and not their blinkers
L1339[14:56:39] <S3> sometimes, you can't
see them
L1340[14:57:03] <Amanda> the blinkers are
meant to convey motive
L1341[14:57:13] <S3> But again sometimes
you can't see the blinkers
L1342[14:57:30] <Amanda> if you can't see
the blinkers, you're tailgating
L1343[14:57:34] <S3> Like on my truck,
they are hidden from many angles.
L1344[14:57:36] <S3> right
L1345[14:57:58] <S3> and people love to
tailgate, except when I'm driving my truck though, people stay the
fuck away from my truck for some reason
L1346[14:58:11] <S3> they usually give me
a couple hundred feet by my guess
L1347[14:58:56] <S3> Though there was
this one time at an intersection on a hill, where somebody was
literally right behind me and it was like, if I roll back, you
won't have any car left..
L1348[14:59:19] <S3> fortunately, I
didn't
L1349[15:00:19] <S3> the other thing is
if you're right behind me I can't see you at all, and a lot of
people don't realize that if you can't see my face in my side
mirrors or my spot mirrors, I can't see you
L1350[15:00:36] <S3> That's true with all
big trucks
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L1353[15:04:27] <Inari> %pet Amanda
L1354[15:04:28] <MichiBot> Inari is
brushing Amanda with A dohexahedrian. Amanda regains 1d4 => 1
hit points!
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L1356[15:10:59] <Lizziananana>
%tonk
L1357[15:10:59] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Lizziananana, you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 8 hours,
24 minutes and 3 seconds this time. 7 hours, 43 minutes and 51
seconds were wasted! Missed by 40 minutes and 12 seconds!
L1358[15:26:23] <Izaya> I mean, here,
people use indicators, and so do I
L1359[15:26:55] <Izaya> Unfortunately,
fairing-mount blinkers aren't the most visible
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L1361[15:32:35] <Amanda> that's what hand
signals are for, are they not, Izaya?
L1362[15:33:00] <Amanda> At least in my
state there's hand signals for motorcyclesto use, and bicycles on
public roads are also meantto use them
L1363[15:33:25] <Izaya> yeah but I have
blinkers smh
L1364[15:34:08] <Izaya> Thinking I might
switch to clear housing with orange bulbs
L1365[15:38:34] <MGR>
Around here at least, most people wouldn't recognize a hand signal
if they saw one
<MGR>
Around here at least, most people wouldn't recognize a hand signal
if they saw oneL1366[15:39:10] <Kodos>
Fun idea I just had for a new tonk thing; bonus for how many failed
attempts at a steal
<Kodos>
Fun idea I just had for a new tonk thing; bonus for how many failed
attempts at a stealL1367[15:39:20] <Kodos>
If you tonk out successfully after thinking
<Kodos>
If you tonk out successfully after thinkingL1368[15:39:26] <Kodos>
Tonking
<Kodos>
TonkingL1369[15:48:19] <S3> Maybe a super saiyan
mode
L1370[15:48:22] <S3> !tonkasaurus
L1371[15:48:41] <S3> !tonkatruck
L1372[15:49:08] <Michiyo> The
tonkening
L1373[15:49:32] <Ariri>
dramatic tonk music plays
<Ariri>
dramatic tonk music playsL1374[15:56:56] <Amanda> @MGR oh I don't
doubt they people wouldn't recognise them. They're barely covered
in the drivers ed booklets
L1375[15:58:17] <Forecaster> @Kodos you're gonna have to
elaborate on that
<Forecaster> @Kodos you're gonna have to
elaborate on thatL1376[16:04:29] <Inari> %sip
L1377[16:04:30] <MichiBot> You drink a
viscous diamond potion (New!). Inari gains the proportional
strength of a dryad until their next sip of water.
L1378[16:04:50] <Inari> Neat
L1379[16:06:03] <Inari> Feature
idea
L1380[16:06:05] <Inari> Tarot
reading
L1381[16:07:21] <Ariri>
Carrot reading
<Ariri>
Carrot readingL1382[16:07:27] <Ocawesome101> lol
L1383[16:07:35] <Inari> %fling at
@Ariri
L1384[16:07:35] <MichiBot> Inari is
flinging something at @Ariri! They have 5 minutes if they want to
attempt to %defend against it!
L1385[16:07:59] <Ariri>
%deflect using Peko’s carrots
<Ariri>
%deflect using Peko’s carrotsL1386[16:07:59] <MichiBot> Ariri fails to
deflect the Царь Бомба flung at them by Inari with a 5 vs 10,
taking the full 1 damage.
L1387[16:08:30] <Michiyo> %translate en
Царь Бомба
L1388[16:08:31] <MichiBot> Царь
Бомба
L1389[16:08:36] <Michiyo> %translate ru
en Царь Бомба
L1390[16:08:37] <MichiBot> King
Bomb
L1391[16:08:40] <Michiyo> Ah..
L1392[16:08:48] <Inari> I lack
context
L1393[16:08:49] <Michiyo> 1 damage...
'King'
L1394[16:08:50] <Michiyo> hmm
L1395[16:09:07] <Inari> Oh
L1396[16:09:10] <Inari> I see the
contxt
L1397[16:09:51] <Ariri>
%translate en ru SHADOWBALL
<Ariri>
%translate en ru SHADOWBALLL1398[16:09:52] <MichiBot> ТЕНЕВОЙ
ШАР
L1399[16:10:25] <Ariri>
%flip ^
<Ariri>
%flip ^L1400[16:10:25] <MichiBot> Ariri:
(╯°□°）╯РАШ ЙОВЕНЕТ
L1401[16:11:14] <Michiyo> Yeaaah super
not shocked that didn't work well :P
L1402[16:11:59] <Ariri>
I didn’t expect it to, was just curious
<Ariri>
I didn’t expect it to, was just curiousL1403[16:12:20] <Ariri>
Russian alphabet is interesting
<Ariri>
Russian alphabet is interestingL1404[16:13:37] <Kodos>
Okay so let’s say I tonk for 8 hours. Then 4 people try to steal.
Then I tonk out successfully. I get 8 hours worth of points plus
the consecutive hours bonus pluuus something like a 1.04x
multiplier for withstanding 4 steal attempts. Maybe not that high
of a multiplayer but something like the consecutive hours
bonus
<Kodos>
Okay so let’s say I tonk for 8 hours. Then 4 people try to steal.
Then I tonk out successfully. I get 8 hours worth of points plus
the consecutive hours bonus pluuus something like a 1.04x
multiplier for withstanding 4 steal attempts. Maybe not that high
of a multiplayer but something like the consecutive hours
bonusL1405[16:14:10] <Kodos>
It would be a way to earn more points faster
<Kodos>
It would be a way to earn more points fasterL1406[16:14:33] <Ariri>
I like the idea
<Ariri>
I like the ideaL1407[16:15:23] <Ariri>
Maybe even the closer one gets to stealing the tonk, the higher the
multiplier
<Ariri>
Maybe even the closer one gets to stealing the tonk, the higher the
multiplierL1408[16:15:57] <S3> Oh crap
L1409[16:16:07] <S3> I just remembered I
need to configure MC to test the gpu features
L1410[16:16:17] <S3> as I doubt they'd
work in ocvm
L1411[16:16:39] <Ocawesome101>
correct
L1412[16:16:43] <Ocawesome101> they might
at some point
L1413[16:16:47] <Ocawesome101> but not
currently
L1414[16:16:53] <Forecaster> what if someone successfully
tonks
<Forecaster> what if someone successfully
tonksL1415[16:18:06] <Ariri>
As is is fine imo, stealing already has a multiplier incentive
doesn’t it?
<Ariri>
As is is fine imo, stealing already has a multiplier incentive
doesn’t it?L1416[16:18:35] <Forecaster> not really
<Forecaster> not reallyL1417[16:18:54] <Forecaster> technically it's a penalty
for not-stealing :P
<Forecaster> technically it's a penalty
for not-stealing :PL1418[16:19:35] <S3> Trying to think how
I am going to achieve this with only a 16 color palette
L1419[16:19:37] <Ariri>
I was just throwing ideas, to which I think was an alternative tonk
mode concept
<Ariri>
I was just throwing ideas, to which I think was an alternative tonk
mode conceptL1420[16:19:39] <S3> its so tiny
L1421[16:19:58] <Ariri>
put some water and mix them up
<Ariri>
put some water and mix them upL1422[16:20:09] <S3> pulling this off
usually requires having duplicate palette entries
L1423[16:26:35] <S3> OH CRAP, this may be
a problem
L1424[16:27:14] <Kodos>
Yeah I was going to say if someone steals successfully current
behavior would occur. The bonus for defending would simply
incentivize following up a tonk with a tonkout
<Kodos>
Yeah I was going to say if someone steals successfully current
behavior would occur. The bonus for defending would simply
incentivize following up a tonk with a tonkoutL1425[16:27:42] <S3> so the set palette
function only lets you set one palette entry at a time. I need to
be able to set more than one at a time. I might modify the OC
source to allow me to do that
L1426[16:28:50] <S3> otherwise it's going
to cause a lot of visual issues
L1427[16:34:51] ***
Lizziananana is now known as Lizzianyanyanyanya
L1428[16:37:13] <k00lk4t> How do i edit the original
init.lua?
<k00lk4t> How do i edit the original
init.lua?L1429[16:37:25] <k00lk4t> every time i do "edit
init.lua" it opens a brand new file
<k00lk4t> every time i do "edit
init.lua" it opens a brand new fileL1430[16:37:29] <k00lk4t> i dont know much OC so
<k00lk4t> i dont know much OC soL1431[16:37:46] <Forecaster> probably because it doesn't
exist in the current path
<Forecaster> probably because it doesn't
exist in the current pathL1432[16:37:47] <MGR>
Are you in the same directory as init.lua?
<MGR>
Are you in the same directory as init.lua?L1433[16:37:57] <k00lk4t> @MGR whats the directory of
init.lua?
<k00lk4t> @MGR whats the directory of
init.lua?L1434[16:38:09] <MGR>
Good question
<MGR>
Good questionL1435[16:38:18] <MGR>
Try checking ```/```
<MGR>
Try checking ```/```L1436[16:38:36] <MGR>
If it's not there, you'll have to look around
<MGR>
If it's not there, you'll have to look aroundL1437[16:38:37] <k00lk4t> yeah it comes up when i do
"ls /"
<k00lk4t> yeah it comes up when i do
"ls /"L1438[16:38:59] <MGR>
Ok, then you have to set that as your current directory and then
edit it
<MGR>
Ok, then you have to set that as your current directory and then
edit itL1439[16:39:02] <k00lk4t> how?
<k00lk4t> how?L1440[16:39:08] <MGR>
```cd /```
<MGR>
```cd /```L1441[16:39:11] <k00lk4t> k thanks
<k00lk4t> k thanksL1442[16:39:16] <Forecaster> or `edit /init.lua`
<Forecaster> or `edit /init.lua`L1443[16:39:28] <k00lk4t> thanks!
<k00lk4t> thanks!L1444[16:39:45] <k00lk4t> how do i Ctrl+a
<k00lk4t> how do i Ctrl+aL1445[16:40:03] <k00lk4t> i want to select
everything
<k00lk4t> i want to select
everythingL1446[16:40:06] <Forecaster> you can't
<Forecaster> you can'tL1447[16:40:19] <k00lk4t> oh so i have to manually delete
it
<k00lk4t> oh so i have to manually delete
itL1448[16:40:19] <k00lk4t> ok
<k00lk4t> okL1449[16:40:31] <k00lk4t> or i can just Ctrl K
<k00lk4t> or i can just Ctrl KL1450[16:41:21] <k00lk4t> ok so i accidentally just fried
my drive by deleting init.lua
<k00lk4t> ok so i accidentally just fried
my drive by deleting init.luaL1451[16:41:23] <k00lk4t> on accident
<k00lk4t> on accidentL1452[16:41:24] <k00lk4t> uh
<k00lk4t> uhL1453[16:41:29] <k00lk4t> how can i apply this code
<k00lk4t> how can i apply this codeL1455[16:41:43]
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L1456[16:41:55] <k00lk4t> some bloke always gives my
computer a virus and i want a password
<k00lk4t> some bloke always gives my
computer a virus and i want a passwordL1457[16:44:34] <k00lk4t> i really need some security
so
<k00lk4t> i really need some security
soL1458[16:44:45] <Forecaster> put up a decoy
<Forecaster> put up a decoyL1459[16:45:17] <S3> Looking at the code
for the gpu stuff
L1460[16:45:27] <k00lk4t> @Forecaster na
<k00lk4t> @Forecaster naL1461[16:45:40] <MGR>
Kill the dude who keeps giving your computer a virus
<MGR>
Kill the dude who keeps giving your computer a virusL1462[16:45:45] <k00lk4t> @MGR pvp is off
<k00lk4t> @MGR pvp is offL1463[16:46:14] <MGR>
Can players take damage from machines?
<MGR>
Can players take damage from machines?L1464[16:46:16] <k00lk4t> no
<k00lk4t> noL1465[16:46:24] <k00lk4t> i want the password
<k00lk4t> i want the passwordL1466[16:46:27] <k00lk4t> not any other thing
<k00lk4t> not any other thingL1468[16:46:53] <k00lk4t> plus i have no clue of what as i
know nearly nothing about OpenOS and OC
<k00lk4t> plus i have no clue of what as i
know nearly nothing about OpenOS and OCL1469[16:47:43] <Kristopher38> if the wiki is right, then
if you add yourself as a user he won't be able to type on your
computer
<Kristopher38> if the wiki is right, then
if you add yourself as a user he won't be able to type on your
computerL1470[16:47:53] <MGR>
You'll have to insert the OpenOS floppy and run the install program
again
<MGR>
You'll have to insert the OpenOS floppy and run the install program
againL1471[16:48:07] <k00lk4t> @Kristopher38 how do i do
that
<k00lk4t> @Kristopher38 how do i do
thatL1472[16:48:22] <Kristopher38> you go to the lua repl and
uhh
<Kristopher38> you go to the lua repl and
uhhL1473[16:48:44] <Kristopher38>
computer.addUser(username)
<Kristopher38>
computer.addUser(username)L1474[16:49:01] <k00lk4t> lua repl?
<k00lk4t> lua repl?L1475[16:49:22] <Forecaster> lua prompt
<Forecaster> lua promptL1476[16:49:29] <k00lk4t> how do i do that lol
<k00lk4t> how do i do that lolL1477[16:49:31] <Forecaster> aka the lua program
<Forecaster> aka the lua programL1478[16:49:52] <k00lk4t> how doe
<k00lk4t> how doeL1479[16:50:11] <Forecaster> how do you run other
programs?
<Forecaster> how do you run other
programs?L1480[16:50:18] <k00lk4t> i just type their name
<k00lk4t> i just type their nameL1481[16:50:29] <Forecaster> mhm
<Forecaster> mhmL1482[16:50:52] <k00lk4t> whats the name of the lua
program
<k00lk4t> whats the name of the lua
programL1483[16:50:56] <k00lk4t> just "lua"?
<k00lk4t> just "lua"?L1484[16:51:03] <k00lk4t> lua it is
<k00lk4t> lua it isL1485[16:51:14] <Forecaster> nothing will explode if you
get it wrong
<Forecaster> nothing will explode if you
get it wrongL1486[16:51:34] <k00lk4t> @Kristopher38 i wrote
computer.addUser(k00lk4t) and it didnt work
<k00lk4t> @Kristopher38 i wrote
computer.addUser(k00lk4t) and it didnt workL1487[16:51:53] <Kristopher38> you need to put the
username inside quotes
<Kristopher38> you need to put the
username inside quotesL1488[16:52:12] <k00lk4t> oh k
<k00lk4t> oh kL1489[16:52:16] <k00lk4t> i dont know Lua much so
<k00lk4t> i dont know Lua much soL1491[16:58:41] <MichiBot> https://towerofawesome.org is UP
L1492[16:58:47] <Forecaster> wop
<Forecaster> wopL1493[17:00:02] <k00lk4t> great now he stole the fucking
computer
<k00lk4t> great now he stole the fucking
computerL1494[17:30:26] <MGR>
How is this not against the rules?
<MGR>
How is this not against the rules?L1495[17:30:42] <MGR>
If you can't even take damage, thievery should not be allowed
<MGR>
If you can't even take damage, thievery should not be allowedL1496[17:36:15] <S3> TIL Forecaster has a
youtube channel
L1497[17:36:25] <S3> and I now have a
voice to tie to the username
L1498[17:37:12] <S3> Woah what is this
desparados 3
L1499[17:37:25] <S3> it looks like an RTS
of sorts in the 15 seconds I've seen it
L1500[17:37:58] <Forecaster> kind of yeah, except you
control a few "heroes" with certain abilities
<Forecaster> kind of yeah, except you
control a few "heroes" with certain abilitiesL1501[17:38:10] <Kristopher38> OC tutorials when
<Kristopher38> OC tutorials whenL1503[17:40:00] <Kristopher38> cough
<Kristopher38> coughL1504[17:40:37] <S3> You play some
interesting games some I never heard of
L1505[17:41:40] <Forecaster> thanks
<Forecaster> thanksL1506[17:42:02] <Forecaster> AS Oddyssey will end after
two more episodes and be replaced by something else
<Forecaster> AS Oddyssey will end after
two more episodes and be replaced by something elseL1507[17:42:17] <Forecaster> I can't keep playing it with
the terrible performance it has
<Forecaster> I can't keep playing it with
the terrible performance it hasL1508[17:42:31] <Forecaster> not sure how I held out for
33 episodes to begin with...
<Forecaster> not sure how I held out for
33 episodes to begin with...L1509[17:42:41] <S3> Playing it on
PC?
L1510[17:43:00] <Forecaster> I don't have any
consoles
<Forecaster> I don't have any
consolesL1511[17:43:16] <S3> Ah. Its kinda late
but I was curious if the consoles had the same problem
L1512[17:43:25] <S3> They will license
any game today..
L1513[17:43:47] <S3> seems so
anyways
L1514[17:44:07] <Forecaster> this is what happens when
they make a game for consoles first and then do a terrible job
porting it to PC
<Forecaster> this is what happens when
they make a game for consoles first and then do a terrible job
porting it to PCL1515[17:44:54] <S3> Makes sense
L1516[17:45:19] <Forecaster> here's hoping Valhalla runs
better
<Forecaster> here's hoping Valhalla runs
betterL1517[17:45:25] <S3> Except that the
console versions are usually already dumbed down to fit the
hardware, so it's weird that it would get worse in some cases
L1518[17:46:59] <Forecaster> yeah I have no idea how they
do that
<Forecaster> yeah I have no idea how they
do thatL1519[17:47:19] <Forecaster> I read a thread where someone
with the same CPU and GPU as me had no issues running it...
<Forecaster> I read a thread where someone
with the same CPU and GPU as me had no issues running it...L1520[17:47:38] <S3> Reminds me of my
favorite quote from Egoraptor: "You took fun and made it
unfun, how did you even do that?!"
L1521[17:48:09] <Forecaster> well, the game is fun, but
recording it doesn't work
<Forecaster> well, the game is fun, but
recording it doesn't workL1522[17:48:19] <Forecaster> it runs ever so slightly
better if I'm not recording
<Forecaster> it runs ever so slightly
better if I'm not recordingL1523[17:48:43] <S3> If itr was a huge
difference I would have suggested tapping the video output to
another machine
L1524[17:49:15] <Forecaster> probably not enough to make
it much more watchable
<Forecaster> probably not enough to make
it much more watchableL1525[17:49:16] <S3> Though it makes
overlays and things complicated because now you have two computers
to work with
L1526[17:49:36] <Forecaster> I don't have any overlays
when recording for YouTube'
<Forecaster> I don't have any overlays
when recording for YouTube'L1527[17:52:08] <S3> I need a new
nickname.. I've been trying to come up with one for a year or so
now
L1528[17:52:17] <Forecaster> either way I'm going to do
the easy thing and just play something else, Cuphead maybe
<Forecaster> either way I'm going to do
the easy thing and just play something else, Cuphead maybeL1529[17:52:29] <Forecaster> that runs fine :P
<Forecaster> that runs fine :PL1530[17:52:49] <S3> hah
L1531[17:53:07] <S3> I've had a few over
the years
L1532[17:53:44] <Forecaster> I've had two
<Forecaster> I've had twoL1533[17:53:51] <Forecaster> essentially
<Forecaster> essentiallyL1534[17:54:34] <Forecaster> I used to use
"DarkLight" before this one, but that was over a decade
ago
<Forecaster> I used to use
"DarkLight" before this one, but that was over a decade
agoL1536[17:55:13] <MichiBot> Fortnite
OUT, Unreal IN, Epic LOSES Apple TRO | length: 20m 42s |
Likes: 575 Dislikes: 7 Views: 6,749 | by Lawful Masses with
Leonard French | Published On 26/8/2020
L1537[17:56:59] <t20kdc> funny thing
about this mess is, Apple should get anti-trust stuff sent it's
way, but since Epic Games don't actually care about that, they went
for the wrong angle, and complained at Google too for good
measure
L1538[17:57:17] <t20kdc> thing is, right:
"install this Epic Games Store APK" is a valid approach
on Android
L1539[17:57:58] <t20kdc> they had the
freedom to not distribute via the Play Store, which is not what the
situation is for Apple devices
L1540[17:58:40] <t20kdc> where it is
actually kind of as authoritarian as they claim, but since it's
Epic Games, they don't actually care about fixing that
situation
L1541[17:58:49] <t20kdc> they just want
more money
L1542[18:00:12] <t20kdc> the way it
should be - the way it should always have been - is everything
being like PCs, but that's not actually Epic Games's goal
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L1545[18:21:14] <k00lk4t> @MGR its not allowed
<k00lk4t> @MGR its not allowedL1546[18:21:24] <MGR>
Then report him
<MGR>
Then report himL1547[18:21:26] <k00lk4t> i submitted a ticket to the
server
<k00lk4t> i submitted a ticket to the
serverL1548[18:21:32] <k00lk4t> but it takes like 1-2 days
<k00lk4t> but it takes like 1-2 daysL1549[18:21:34] <S3> Interesting
L1550[18:21:39] <S3> so Apple is
attacking Unreal
L1551[18:21:42] <MGR>
Is it a big server?
<MGR>
Is it a big server?L1552[18:23:52] <Forecaster> S3 they tried, but the short
version of the video is, they're not allowed to pull every unreal
engine app, but are still allowed to pull Fortnite while the
proceedings are still ongoing
<Forecaster> S3 they tried, but the short
version of the video is, they're not allowed to pull every unreal
engine app, but are still allowed to pull Fortnite while the
proceedings are still ongoingL1553[18:26:14]
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L1555[19:03:06] <S3> Having trouble
finding where the palette stuff is
L1556[19:03:11] <S3> lets see
L1557[19:03:29] <S3> \there we go
L1558[19:12:58] <S3> Ok so I have a
couple of ideas
L1559[19:13:14] <Forecaster> about what?
<Forecaster> about what?L1560[19:14:20] <S3> I need a way of
editing miltiple palette indexes in OC at once. I'm thinking, wgat
about a getPaletteMemory and setPaletteMemory function type of
thing, which is just a string of palette data, all 16
indexes?
L1562[19:15:22] <S3> that way
setPaletteColor and stuff would be untouched
L1563[19:15:37] <S3> heh
L1564[19:16:17] <S3> If only one palette
index can be set at a time then it will decrease performance a lot,
but also it will cause unsightly updates.
L1565[19:16:50] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL1566[19:16:50] <MichiBot> You drink a
goopy currentcorn potion (New!). Forecaster grows a tail from a
lava until they see a unicorn.
L1567[19:17:00] <Forecaster> oh dear
<Forecaster> oh dearL1568[19:24:05] <S3> lol
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L1574[20:35:35] <KM127PL> hi
L1575[20:36:43] <Forecaster> &hello
<Forecaster> &helloL1576[20:36:46] <Forecaster> %hello
<Forecaster> %helloL1577[20:36:47] <MichiBot> Forecaster:
Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel!
Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide
error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one
line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked
into.
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L1579[20:47:43] <dequbed> S3: Maybe your
cars are designed to different standards but at least here in
Europe I have *never* been in a situation where I could not see
somebodies indicators clearly.
L1580[20:48:28] <dequbed> Michiyo: Царь
Бомба is the Tsar Bomba :p
L1581[20:48:55] <dequbed> How that only
did 1 damage is a mystery :p
L1582[20:48:57] <Ariri>
'King Bomb' is a fairly accurate imo
<Ariri>
'King Bomb' is a fairly accurate imoL1583[20:49:13] <Ariri>
isnt it like 1000mt or something?
<Ariri>
isnt it like 1000mt or something?L1584[20:49:30] <dequbed> Well a Tsar is
closer to a Caesar than a king but details
L1585[20:49:41] <dequbed> It had two
configurations with different yields
L1586[20:49:48] <dequbed> Only the
smaller one was ever tested
L1587[20:49:57] <Forecaster> it's a magical copy that
doesn't necessarily reflect the real thing, unless MichiBot knows
about it
<Forecaster> it's a magical copy that
doesn't necessarily reflect the real thing, unless MichiBot knows
about itL1588[20:50:00] <Ariri>
Ah right
<Ariri>
Ah rightL1589[20:51:03] <k00lk4t> computer.beep() is fun
<k00lk4t> computer.beep() is funL1590[20:52:16] <dequbed> Ariri: Funnily
enough that meant it could be the biggest while one of the cleanest
bombs ever produced in the "small" 50ish Mt configuration
or the biggest dirty bomb in the 100ish postulated config.
L1591[20:52:30] <dequbed> A morbid kind
of funny that
L1592[20:52:51] <Ariri> ...didnt even
think about that
L1593[20:55:31] <dequbed> I mean they
designed a fusion tamper out of U-238 which would have been spread
all over the explosion site for the large config. The
"small" one had a lead one and still got 97% or so of its
energy from fusion.
L1594[20:58:02] ***
Lizzianyanyanyanya is now known as Lizzy
L1595[20:58:25] <Ariri> Crazy to think
how far nuclear weapons have advanced since then, and that could
still wipe out many sq kms in an instant, irradiating dozens
more
L1596[20:59:34] <dequbed> Huh? Nuclear
armament has not improved much since 1961. Delivery method has
which allowed for slightly bigger bombs but the underlying
technology is still mostly the same.
L1597[21:04:31] <Ariri> I suppose I meant
more in quantity and speed
L1598[21:06:33] <dequbed> Ah yes kinda. I
mean it was designed specifically so Russia didn't need to build as
many bombs as the US by simply having bigger ones. Didn't work out
that.
L1599[21:23:22] <Ariri>
Izaya: what in the warp field is this (Code Block pastebined
https://paste.pc-logix.com/vizagagego
<Ariri>
Izaya: what in the warp field is this (Code Block pastebined
https://paste.pc-logix.com/vizagagegoL1600[21:23:39] <Ariri> DOnt click on
that for the love of gof
L1601[21:24:01] <Ariri> god*
L1602[21:24:06] <Izaya> Lost cargo?
L1604[21:24:52] <Izaya> That's a
shark
L1605[21:26:21] <Ariri> Voyager takes a
bite out of the Borg, literally
L1606[21:52:04] <k00lk4t> can i change what sound
computer.beep() makes?
<k00lk4t> can i change what sound
computer.beep() makes?L1607[21:52:15] <Forecaster> what do you mean?
<Forecaster> what do you mean?L1608[21:52:19] <Forecaster> you can change the
pitch
<Forecaster> you can change the
pitchL1609[21:52:25] <Forecaster> it can only beep
<Forecaster> it can only beepL1610[21:54:20] <k00lk4t> @Forecaster yeah i mean how do i
change the pitch
<k00lk4t> @Forecaster yeah i mean how do i
change the pitchL1611[21:54:40] <Forecaster> you pass it an argument or
something
<Forecaster> you pass it an argument or
somethingL1612[21:54:52] <k00lk4t> o
<k00lk4t> oL1613[21:54:52] <k00lk4t> k
<k00lk4t> kL1614[22:25:01] <Michiyo> ~w
computer.beep
L1615[22:25:02] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:computer
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L1621[23:19:40] <CompanionCube>
%tonkout
L1622[23:19:41] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 8
hours, 24 minutes and 3 seconds this time. 8 hours, 8 minutes and
41 seconds were wasted! Missed by 15 minutes and 21 seconds!
L1623[23:19:45] <CompanionCube>
shit
L1624[23:27:57] <Michiyo> ooof
L1625[23:33:38] <Forecaster> A string of bad tonks
recently
<Forecaster> A string of bad tonks
recentlyL1626[23:54:05] <Ocawesome101> well, i
think i put enough fans in my desktop
L1627[23:54:13] <Ocawesome101> while
compiling a kernel on all cores it gets up to about 70C
L1628[23:54:24] <Ocawesome101> and that's
with ~100% load on all cores
L1629[23:55:07] <Izaya> fäns
L1630[23:55:26] <Ocawesome101> and 2
minute compilation times :P
L1631[23:55:45] <Ocawesome101> i'm
compiling it for my 486SX so i went through the config and disabled
a bunch of stuff
L1632[23:55:58] <Ariri>
uses the stock AMD cooler and renders 1080p video
<Ariri>
uses the stock AMD cooler and renders 1080p videoL1633[23:56:02] <Ariri>
You're making me feel bad
<Ariri>
You're making me feel badL1634[23:56:07] <Ocawesome101> :P
L1635[23:56:12] <Ocawesome101> i use the
stock Intel cooler
L1636[23:56:15] <Ocawesome101> on an
i5-8400
L1637[23:56:28] <Ocawesome101> and render
1080p video... with the cpu... using kdenlive. it's quite
slow.
L1638[23:56:35] <Ocawesome101> i haven't
looked at thermals tho
L1639[23:56:39] <Ariri>
ouch
<Ariri>
ouchL1640[23:56:49] <Izaya> $20 chinesium
tower cooler stronk
L1641[23:56:59] <Izaya> Pay no mind to
the grinding noise
L1642[23:56:59] <Ocawesome101> i wonder
when kdenlive will get gpu encoding support
L1643[23:57:03] <Ocawesome101> because
that would be really nice
L1644[23:57:04] <Ariri>
I think I idle in high 30s to low 40s depending on ambient, guessed
from my custom fan curve
<Ariri>
I think I idle in high 30s to low 40s depending on ambient, guessed
from my custom fan curveL1645[23:57:04] <Ocawesome101> lmao
L1646[23:57:12] <Izaya> blender VSE
stronk
L1647[23:57:23] <Ariri>
I really should get a proper cooler.. its an APU...
<Ariri>
I really should get a proper cooler.. its an APU...L1648[23:57:24] <Ocawesome101> i pretty
much have no fan curve except for like 2 of my fans
L1649[23:57:38] <Ocawesome101> the 3 on
top of my case run full throttle all the time as far as i can
tell
L1650[23:57:55] <Izaya> man I turned my
GPU fans all the way up the other day
L1651[23:58:02] <Ocawesome101> this is
what happens when you buy a a $75 gigabyte motherboard
L1652[23:58:05] <Izaya> Fucking jet
engine
L1653[23:58:09] <Ocawesome101> mine does
that running anything really graphically intensive
L1654[23:58:12] <Ocawesome101> and it is
L O U D
L1655[23:58:18] <Ariri>
43dB ambient with case fans DC to the PSU, a ceiling fan, and light
load on the cpu
<Ariri>
43dB ambient with case fans DC to the PSU, a ceiling fan, and light
load on the cpuL1656[23:58:25] <Izaya> I never hit 50%
fan speed with mine tbh
L1657[23:58:28] <Izaya> 3 big fans
L1658[23:59:09] <Ocawesome101> i have
three input one output plus a cpu cooler fan and 2 gpu fans
L1659[23:59:59] <Ariri>
I searched Izaya's thing about a chisneium what not on DDG and got
back a post from.. Xeon Owners' Club? Is there one for i3, i5, i7,
and i9 as well, or is it like a country club
<Ariri>
I searched Izaya's thing about a chisneium what not on DDG and got
back a post from.. Xeon Owners' Club? Is there one for i3, i5, i7,
and i9 as well, or is it like a country club