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<Kleadron>
yeah
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<Kleadron>
bit of a shame NEI requires JEI now
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<Kleadron>
it's probably just more of a shell over JEI
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<BrianH> I
just wish there was an alternative available to it and I am
surprised there isn't
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<BrianH>
for 1.12.2
L7[00:02:46]
<BrianH> It
may fix the rendering issues
L8[00:03:51]
<Ariri>
JEI=> rendering issues?
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L13[00:13:52] <Galaxy> NOT TERRIBLE
CAMPSITE WIFI LET'S GOOOOOO
L14[00:48:41] <Amanda> campsite wifi?
L15[00:48:43] <Amanda> Kids these
days.
L16[00:48:56] *
Amanda cuddles up around Elfi for the night
L17[00:51:06]
<Ocawesome101> monolith's package manager
doesn't quiiiiiiiite work properly for some reason :/
L18[01:00:35]
<Ocawesome101> i wrote a component doc
viewer
L19[01:00:46]
<Ocawesome101> it doesn't just display
output, it also formats it slightly
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L25[01:29:05] <MichiBot> Mon Jun 22
11:30:56 PDT 2020 @WatchMixer: Mixer Partners, streamers, and
community - today, we've got some very big news for you.
L26[01:30:08]
<Ariri>
Lizzy: Cool, now Facebook can psychoanalyze how long people watch
Mixer streams for :D
L27[01:30:08]
<Ariri>
{Who watches stuff on Mixer? Serious question)
L28[01:30:25] <Lizzy> I know Forecaster
used to stream there
L29[01:30:37] <Lizzy> and their API was
actually quite sane
L30[01:31:11] <Lizzy> I was going to
implement it in my discord bot but since it's shutting down in a
month i'm not gonna bother
L31[01:31:57]
<Ariri>
Interesting, because Ive nearly never heard anyone stream or watch
stuff on there, barring money-grabbers like Ninja
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<DaComputerNerd> That's a zipbomb
alright
L41[02:47:32] <CompanionCube> is it a
zipbomb if it's not actually a zip? :think:
L42[02:50:31]
<AdorableCatgirl> compression nuke
L43[02:50:33]
<AdorableCatgirl> t h e r e
L44[02:54:16]
<AdorableCatgirl> i forgot how to math but
uh
L46[02:57:00]
<AdorableCatgirl> 84 bytes -> 3
PiB
L47[02:57:18]
<AdorableCatgirl> i belive
L48[02:58:48]
<AdorableCatgirl> sorry, fucked up, it's
952 PiB
L49[03:15:52]
<Ariri> ~w
gpu
L50[03:15:58]
<Ariri>
~wiki gpu
L51[03:16:13]
<Ariri>
~doc gpu
L52[03:16:19]
<Ariri> I
always forget..
L53[03:19:20]
<Ariri> Can
I use multiple GPUs in one machine for different screens, each with
different information?
L54[03:49:46]
<DaComputerNerd> I think so?
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<DaComputerNerd> I'd imagine you could
bind them to individual screens or something
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<Ocawesome101> @Ariri yes you can, and
Monolith does it for you if you're so inclined ;)
L61[04:30:52]
<Ariri>
That’s alright, thanks, it’s going to be for my base control
terminals, I plan on having one screen for each
section/sub-system
L62[04:31:31]
<Ocawesome101> and how many screens does
that equate to?
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<BrisingrAerowing> Ariri: If you’re going
to have more than 3 screens, you may want to do a client-server
system where each server displays a different set of data.
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L70[05:06:18] <Izaya> Ariri: what the fuck
is that
L71[05:06:35] <Izaya> CompanionCube: my
internal optimise says "yay, mainstream ARM Linux
machines"
L72[05:06:42] <Izaya> optimist*
L73[05:06:53] <Izaya> the rest of me says
"Apple continues the war on its users"
L74[05:13:05] <CompanionCube> Izaya: eh, we
don't know enough to use that quote yet
L75[05:14:20] <CompanionCube> the binary
translator should be interesting though, and i imagine we're both
curious if they'll reuse iboot, retain UEFI, or take a 3rd
option
L76[05:14:31] <Izaya> ofw pls
L77[05:14:51] <Izaya> I'd consider an Apple
machine if it was a comfy Linux machine with ofw
L78[05:14:59] <CompanionCube> not going to
happen, but irony would be 10/10
L79[05:15:30] <CompanionCube> Izaya: inb4
'port ofw to pinebook
L80[05:15:41] <Izaya> Don't put ideas in my
head.
L81[05:15:53] <Izaya> Counter-idea
though
L82[05:16:06] <CompanionCube> can't be
*that* hard, probably has ARM support already as a base :p
L83[05:16:08] <Izaya> stick a pine64 board
in a ThinkPad, then port ofw to it
L84[05:16:32] <Izaya> because nothing is
sufficiently compelling to replace my X220 yet
L86[05:18:04] <Izaya> > Darwin
L87[05:18:06] *
Izaya squints
L88[05:18:18] <Izaya> yeah the OLPC project
had ofw
L89[05:18:45] <CompanionCube> repo's under
the actual *creator* of ofw, btw
L90[05:18:58] <Izaya> neat
L91[05:20:18] <CompanionCube> aarch64 would
likely be more work than a straight-port though
L92[05:20:43] <Izaya> do you think software
for Apple ARM machines will be aaarch64?
L93[05:21:06] <CompanionCube> apple already
ditched 32-bit ARM so yes
L94[05:21:36] <Izaya> Apple Advanced
Reduced Instruction Set Computing Machine Architecutre 64
L95[05:22:53] <CompanionCube> hah, sounds
better than the vaguely-pretentious 'Apple Silicon'
L96[05:24:16] <CompanionCube> also there's
new UI guidelines, and they manage to out-GNOME GNOME.
L97[05:24:28] <Izaya> Impressive.
L98[05:24:53] <Izaya> Also, you discount
that they could refer to such a processor as triple-A
L99[05:26:31] <CompanionCube> you mean
triple-Ayy, surely
L100[05:27:11] <Izaya> Say it in the same
voice Jim Sterling does and you have it exactly how I think of
it.
L101[05:27:44] <CompanionCube> that's what
i was going for yes
L102[05:28:05] <Izaya> > phone makes
notification sound
L104[05:28:11] <Izaya> > no
notification on my computer
L105[05:28:13] <Izaya> o.o
L106[05:29:40] <Izaya> that feels very
GNOME
L108[05:33:13] <CompanionCube> and the
change to the share symbol wins the 'most pointless' award
L109[05:33:30] <Izaya> I thought they
removed it?
L110[05:33:51] <CompanionCube> it showed
up on firefox earlier v0v
L112[05:34:14] <Izaya> confused me a bit
but wouldn't be out of character
L113[05:35:16] <CompanionCube> the
surrounding text says it's still there, so...
L114[05:36:10] <CompanionCube> speaking of
firefox, i stumbled upon a sad bug that they're wanting to drop the
usage of native theming for content processes :(
L115[05:36:39] <Izaya> For content
processes
L116[05:36:48] <Izaya> so that's inside
the document view?
L117[05:36:52] <CompanionCube> yes
L118[05:36:59] <CompanionCube> i like my
onestepback scrollbar :(
L119[05:37:49] <Izaya> You already lost
Firefox addons, they still haven't fixed text boxes, what's one
more thing? :^)
L120[05:37:57]
<Ariri>
Izaya: Like I said, a total monstrosity that i’m going to be
tearing down and rebuilding
L121[05:38:37] <CompanionCube> Izaya: i
only lost one addon to webextensions
L122[05:38:52] <CompanionCube> overbite ff
:(
L123[05:38:59] <Izaya> Not a Tree-Style
Tabs user?
L124[05:39:04] <Izaya> Ariri: but what is
it
L125[05:39:08] <CompanionCube> that one
has a webextension
L126[05:39:16] <CompanionCube> and i use
tabcenter redux instead
L127[05:39:27] <Izaya> yeah and the webext
version is fucking garbage
L128[05:39:44] <Izaya> can't even revert
to tab groups because they removed those
L129[05:39:44] <CompanionCube> oh?
L130[05:39:51] <Izaya> as such, waterfox
it is
L131[05:39:56] <Izaya> even if I don't
trust it at all
L132[05:39:57] <CompanionCube> oh was for
garbage btw
L133[05:40:13] <Izaya> It was all the
little things.
L134[05:40:16]
<Ariri>
It’s supposed to be a version of the VAH for my AdvRocketry machine
automation, rocket deployment, and some missile silos but it looks
bloody awful
L135[05:40:27] <CompanionCube> Izaya: tfw
only embeddable browser is webkit :(
L136[05:40:38] <Izaya> It was part of the
page context rather than the interface
L137[05:40:44] <Izaya> It didn't work
properly because of that
L138[05:40:51] <Izaya> and you couldn't
actually do a hide unless hovered thing
L139[05:41:10] <Izaya> Made it
nigh-unusable when you use your browser in portrait most of the
time
L140[05:41:26] <Izaya> (Portrait is the
correct orientation to view documents in your document viewer, of
course.)
L142[05:42:15] <Izaya> Beyond scroll bars,
will it make any significant difference?
L143[05:42:41] <Izaya> The scroll bar in
my browser is already one of those shitty GNOME ones with no
controls so I don't care that much myself
L144[05:42:48] <CompanionCube> i imagine
the rest are the little less-obvious/universal things
L145[05:43:28] <CompanionCube> like UA
default colours or the theming of certain HTML elements
L146[05:43:54] <Izaya> yeah like text
boxes
L147[05:44:01] <CompanionCube> former's
usually overriden and the latter's not as blatant
L148[05:44:08] <Izaya> which according to
this are FINALLY fixed as long as you let Firefox ignore your
themes anyway
L149[05:44:23] <CompanionCube> oh?
L151[05:45:24] <Izaya> this explains the
light Adwaita themed scroll bar I was pointedly ignoring
L152[05:45:52] <CompanionCube> ah
L154[05:49:52] <Izaya> "We did it
half-assed, it didn't work properly, and now we're removing
it."
L155[05:50:03] <Izaya> Thanks Mozilla,
championing the user's interests as usual.
L156[05:50:36] <CompanionCube> when
mozilla copies chrome down to the behavioural level
L157[05:50:41] <CompanionCube> badum
tish
L158[05:51:32] <Izaya> > So if you use
a dark theme, start FF with it's bright variant via the variable
and pick a dark theme from AMO you like.
L159[05:51:43] <Izaya> Ah yes, I see you
don't use themes.
L160[05:51:51] <Izaya> I see you have no
interest in consistency.
L161[05:52:07] <Izaya> ngl I regard my web
browser as a lost cause because of this stupid shit
L162[05:52:08] <Izaya> but still
L163[05:52:32] <CompanionCube> still you
shouldn't make it worse?
L164[05:52:42] <Izaya> I wouldn't actively
try to >.>
L165[05:53:38] <CompanionCube> at least
not entirely a waste as it would apparently improve the sandbox as
content processes would no longer need direct X11 or whatever
L166[05:53:58] <Izaya> Ah good, now
Mozilla can handle the compositing
L167[05:54:04] <Izaya> I don't know which
is worse.
L168[05:54:11] <CompanionCube> they
already do that anyway :p
L169[05:54:36] <CompanionCube> webrender
when?
L170[05:55:10] <CompanionCube> also re
waterfox...just remembered the lulzworthy acqusition
L171[05:57:29] <Izaya> yeah x_x
L172[05:57:45] <Izaya> still the most up
to date fork with XUL though
L173[05:59:45] <CompanionCube> an
embeddable engine that isn't webkit or blink would be nice. Servo's
just a prototype though and GeckoView's for Android, so...
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L175[06:01:22] <CompanionCube> ...come to
think of it, will this impact thunderbird?
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L177[06:03:13] <CompanionCube> inb4 'use
GNUStep's Mail app'
L178[06:03:23] <Izaya> do it coward
L179[06:03:31] <CompanionCube> thing
apparenrtly was updated
L180[06:03:54] <CompanionCube> a few
months ago, and it doesn't look completely terrible...
L181[06:04:40] <CompanionCube> for best
results, use it with the appropriately retro sdf.org account
:D
L182[06:06:14] <CompanionCube> 1987 is
only two years before the first NeXTStep release, after
all...
L184[06:08:11] <CompanionCube> ooh, which
megastructure?
L185[06:08:19] *
CompanionCube should make his empire soon, right?
L186[06:08:43] <Izaya> yee
L187[06:08:46] <Izaya> always good
fun
L188[06:09:08] <Izaya> it's the uh,
Nidavellir Hyperforge from Gigastructural Engineering
L189[06:13:36] <CompanionCube> anyway, i
call preemptive dibs on the 'war' comment if arm-mac uses iboot
and/or has worse linux support
L190[06:15:30] *
CompanionCube does wonder if running iOS apps on the new ARM macOS
will result in design...issues.
L191[06:16:06] <CompanionCube> but then
again i guess 'Throughout macOS 11, windows adopt visual touches
that recall iOS interfaces.' answered that already.
L192[06:26:24]
<AdorableCatgirl> Izaya: let's make our
own we browser
L193[06:28:59]
<Ariri> The
Firebook product line would probably be disputed between Amazon and
Mozilla, should either of them go that route
L194[06:30:03] <CompanionCube>
AdorableCatgirl: statements made by an insane person
L195[06:30:19] <CompanionCube> Ariri:
oh?
L196[06:33:57] <CompanionCube> consider
that firefox is 22.2 million lines of code.
L197[06:39:58]
<Ariri>
O.O
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<AdorableCatgirl> CC: i'm trying to write
a compression algorithm. your point?
L200[07:17:45]
<AdorableCatgirl> also
it's
working
L201[07:18:09]
<AdorableCatgirl> i got a natural 3:1 on a
TGA file
L202[07:18:32]
<AdorableCatgirl> i mean
L203[07:18:36]
<AdorableCatgirl> it's a TGA tho
L204[07:18:38]
<AdorableCatgirl> so there's that
L206[07:19:34]
<AdorableCatgirl> something seems wrong
here
L207[07:19:54]
<AdorableCatgirl> and i bet if i disable
the RLE part of the code, it'll output fine
L209[07:23:05]
<AdorableCatgirl> y e p
L210[07:29:54]
<Ariri> Now
compress it 40800:1
L211[07:30:17] <CompanionCube> compression
algos are reasonable
L212[07:30:21] <CompanionCube> the web
ain't
L213[07:30:48] <CompanionCube> in random
ios good news: 'users will be able to change their default browser
and default email app.'
L214[07:38:43]
<AdorableCatgirl> Ariri: I got a better
ratio for you
L215[07:39:18]
<AdorableCatgirl>
12767097070738285:1
L216[07:52:09]
<Ariri>
Great, now compress my neurons so I can actually remember what I
had planned for later
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L218[08:15:20]
<Kristopher38> Alright, that's probably
some special data
L219[08:15:45]
<Kristopher38> Now compress the same data
with your algorithm and compare it to lzss or something else
L220[08:16:19]
<Kristopher38> And I mean, some real world
data
L221[08:18:50]
<AdorableCatgirl> @Kristopher38 i handmade
the file :P
L222[08:19:16]
<AdorableCatgirl> i started handmaking the
files to test the decompressor
L223[08:19:22]
<AdorableCatgirl> my compressor is
godawful
L224[08:26:51] <Izaya> this is the most
galaxy brained strategy I've used in a while
L225[08:27:02] <Izaya> the fallen empire
next to me woke up while I was at war
L226[08:27:26] <Izaya> and now I'm
constantly at war to avoid them demanding I become a satellite
because I don't have the ability to beat them into submission
L227[08:34:55] <CompanionCube> i've done
the same thing in EU4
L228[08:35:14] <CompanionCube> except with
personal-unions instead of satellites
L229[08:36:02] <Izaya> If it were
subsidiary or vassal I'd consider it
L230[08:36:14] <Izaya> but I'm not giving
up any of my fuckin science output
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<Saghetti>
i got a few people and together we beat chapter 1 of PMD
L234[08:57:47]
<Saghetti>
it was great
L235[08:58:01]
<Saghetti>
but now i need to figure out how the fuck to resample raw PCM
audio
L236[08:58:16]
<Saghetti>
because discord is is 48khz and my emulator outputs 44.1khz
L237[09:01:29]
<Forecaster> what's PMD
L238[09:02:19]
<Forecaster> ... wait what
L239[09:02:37]
<Forecaster> I think my carrier flight
controller greeted me with "oh seven commander"
L240[09:03:14]
<Forecaster> did they really...
L241[09:05:47]
<Forecaster> oh huh, Mixer is shutting
down
L242[09:07:55]
<Saghetti>
pokemon mystery dungeon
L243[09:17:03]
<Ariri>
Forecaster: yup, they really do say oh seven, and its great
L244[09:17:23]
<Forecaster> huh, I did not expect
that
L245[09:19:09] <Michiyo> o7
L246[09:19:12] <Michiyo> lol.. ah
right
L247[09:19:24]
<Ariri>
Wasnt expecting a GalNet article either, but FDev has been
surprising us
L248[09:19:32]
<Forecaster> yeah, that's a common
greeting in elite
L249[09:19:38]
<Forecaster> yeah, that's a common
greeting in E:D [Edited]
L250[09:19:47]
<Forecaster> what galnet article?
L251[09:19:48] <Michiyo> it took me a
second.. it's 1:20 am lol
L252[09:19:50]
<Ariri>
Sometimes its the entire conversation
L253[09:20:13]
<Ariri>
Michiyo: Thanks for reminding me that Im up later than I had
planned @.@
L254[09:20:19] <Michiyo> and yeah' I've
o7'd quiet a bit in EvE too
L255[09:20:21] <Michiyo> lol
L256[09:20:28]
<Ariri>
Forecaster: The one on the launcher, you didnt see?
L257[09:20:46]
<Ariri>
Unless Im mixing up my labels
L258[09:21:09]
<Forecaster> none of them stand out to
me
L259[09:21:14]
<Ariri> I
read Eve initially and said, yeah, makes sense
L260[09:21:36]
<Ariri> Its
the only one there
L261[09:21:53]
<Ariri>
GalNet news hasnt come out in a while
L262[09:22:20]
<Forecaster> oh, yeah
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<Forecaster> "optimum yield range
exceeded"
L266[09:41:21]
<Forecaster> godammit
L267[09:41:23]
<Forecaster> why though
L268[09:41:26]
<Forecaster> D:
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L271[09:57:28] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L272[09:57:29] <MichiBot> Fudge!
SquidDev! You beat Lizzy's previous record of 2 hours, 10 minutes
and 16 seconds (By 8 hours, 16 minutes and 51 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L273[09:57:30] <MichiBot> SquidDev has
stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.01 tonk
points! plus 0.009 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to
50% because stealing) Current score: 1.08875. Position #1
L274[10:36:11]
<Saghetti>
%tonk
L275[10:36:13] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket!
Saghetti! You beat SquidDev's previous record of <0 (By 38
minutes and 42 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L276[10:36:14] <MichiBot> Saghetti's new
record is 38 minutes and 42 seconds! Saghetti also gained 0.00065
tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #14 => #13.
(Overtook Izaya) Need 0.01985 more points to pass Mimiru!
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L280[11:06:14]
<Saghetti>
other people at 3 am: binge watching or smth
L281[11:06:15]
<Saghetti>
me at 3 am: designing shitty ISA
L282[11:42:25] <Lizzy> SMART: I have 150
bad sectors on this disk.
L283[11:42:35] <Lizzy> SMART: We're
OKAY!
L284[11:42:53]
<Saghetti>
DUMP
L285[11:42:57]
<Saghetti>
i cant even type
L286[11:43:00]
<Saghetti>
DUMB*
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L288[12:04:50]
<Saghetti>
aaaaa
L289[12:04:56]
<Saghetti>
designing an ISA is hard
L290[12:05:49]
<Saghetti>
i really wanted to use 2 byte instructions and (optional) 4 byte
data
L291[12:06:03]
<Saghetti>
but making it actually sane is hard
L292[12:06:18]
<Saghetti>
i really want to have all instructions used incrementally
L293[12:06:45]
<Saghetti>
but how am I going to decide it other than a 65536 entry
table?
L294[12:08:16]
<Saghetti>
256kb used for the function lookup table alone
L295[12:08:33]
<Saghetti>
let alone the actual code that performs the instructions
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L297[12:11:07]
<Saghetti>
i could cut down on unnedded instructions like MOV R0 [R0+R0]
L298[12:11:15]
<Saghetti>
which probably won't ever be used
L299[12:11:23]
<Saghetti>
but that makes it inconsistent
L300[12:19:33]
<ThePiGuy24> %tonk
L301[12:19:34] <MichiBot> Dogast!
ThePiGuy24! You beat Saghetti's previous record of 38 minutes and
42 seconds (By 1 hour, 4 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L302[12:19:35] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24's new
record is 1 hour, 43 minutes and 21 seconds! ThePiGuy24 also gained
0.00108 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #6. Need
0.08195 more points to pass simon816!
L304[12:21:40]
<Saghetti>
meanwhile in ARM land
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L307[13:21:37] <stephan48> g48
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L310[13:24:33]
<Forecaster> AmandaClone is online
L311[13:33:00] ***
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L312[13:34:56] <Inari> g48?
L313[14:07:34]
<BrianH>
Playing without jei is harder than I remember
L314[14:07:55]
<Forecaster> why would you do such a
thing
L315[14:08:08]
<BrianH>
Every time i open my inventory it crashes
L316[14:08:19]
<Forecaster> ah
L317[14:08:51]
<BrianH> It
complains about not being able to render something so I removed the
mod it was trying to render the object from
L318[14:09:28]
<BrianH>
Kept happening but from anothermod, so I was like well it's not the
items from the mods
L319[14:10:07] <Izaya> .choose kaguya or
ds9
L320[14:10:13]
<BrianH>
It's complaining about lwjgl saying you can't use a particular
opengl function in a particular way,
L321[14:10:15] <Izaya> %choose kaguya or
ds9
L322[14:10:16] <MichiBot> Izaya: Out of
these two choices? I'd say "ds9".
L323[14:10:37]
<BrianH> So
I was like, well portobello not a driver issue. I updated my
drivers anyways
L324[14:11:02]
<BrianH>
Next thing I did was turn off shaders in optimise
L325[14:11:09]
<BrianH>
Optifine*
L326[14:11:12]
<BrianH>
Still happens
L327[14:11:32] <Lizzy> %tonk
L328[14:11:33] <MichiBot> Sard! Lizzy!
You beat ThePiGuy24's previous record of 1 hour, 43 minutes and 21
seconds (By 8 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L329[14:11:34] <MichiBot> Lizzy's new
record is 1 hour, 51 minutes and 59 seconds! Lizzy also gained
0.00028 (0.00014 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position
#4. Need 0.04113 more points to pass Forecaster!
L330[14:12:02]
<BrianH> I
have no leads from the crash log and I don't know what to do at
this point. I even upgraded jei. My friends that play on my server
with same settings and everything can not reproduce it
L331[14:21:13]
<BrisingrAerowing> I’ve seen that before.
Your instance may be broken. You should try reinstalling it.
L332[14:21:56] <Izaya> payonel: can I
unlimit ocvm's memory?
L333[14:21:59] <Izaya> for...
reasons.
L334[14:26:13] <Amanda> Izaya: set ot to
math.huge
L335[14:26:33] <Amanda> it*
L336[14:26:53] <Izaya> that easy?
L337[14:27:11] <Amanda> should be
L338[14:27:31] <Izaya> neat
L339[14:27:41] <Amanda> unless payonel is
doing something clever with the allocater than I'd do
L340[14:30:28]
<Forecaster> %choose keep mining or Unity
or MichiBot
L341[14:30:29] <MichiBot> Forecaster:
Some "MichiBot" sounds nice
L342[14:30:39]
<Forecaster> if you say so MichiBot
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L344[14:31:05] <Amanda>
"MichiBot" says the totally un-biased Michibt
L345[14:31:56]
<Forecaster> well really it's pretty
brave, like volunteering for surgery
L346[14:36:32] <Izaya> Should we
confiscate the knives?
L347[14:37:17] <Lizzy> nah
L348[14:37:29]
<ThePiGuy24> More knife = More
successery
L349[14:41:21]
<Forecaster> Oh that's okay, I won't be
needing those for this part
L350[14:41:33]
<AdorableCatgirl> compression is
complicated
L351[14:41:34] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> starts chainsaw
L352[14:42:26] <Amanda> What is this,
Theme Hospital?
L353[14:45:47]
<Forecaster> What do you mean I have a
100% success rate and nothing has gone wrong ever
L354[14:47:22] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> puts sheet over abomination that has been
assembled wrong
L355[14:47:43] <Izaya> No mistakes, only
happy accidents.
L356[14:47:52] *
Izaya gets out paintbrushes and red paint bucket
L357[14:49:27]
<Kristopher38> I've constructed a
hydrogen-based mining ship for survival in SE
L358[14:49:45]
<Kristopher38> as always, it turned out
blocky
L359[14:50:05] <Izaya> almost as if
aerodynamics is irellevant in space
L360[14:50:10] <Izaya> the borg have it
right
L361[14:52:40]
<Kristopher38> I mean, big and
blocky
L362[14:53:14]
<Kristopher38> being big is less desirable
for mining cause you're moving in tight spaces
L363[14:57:35] <Amanda> just addmore
drills
L364[14:57:41] <Amanda> problem
solved
L365[15:07:01]
<Kristopher38> I did, I've got 8 drills
D:
L366[15:07:22]
<Kristopher38> inb4 that isn't many
L367[15:07:33] <Amanda> I mean
L368[15:07:50] <Amanda> The drill machine
Lizzy made for us in space has like 16 I think? Or was it 25?
L369[15:09:16] <Amanda> I thinkit was 25,
a 5x5 wall of the things
L370[15:13:30] <Lizzy> it was 5x5,
yeah
L371[15:13:38] <Lizzy> at least for the
large grid one
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L374[15:30:15] <Amanda> %bap Inari
L375[15:30:16] <MichiBot> Amanda baps
Inari with ender pearls!
L376[15:36:20] <Inari> D:
L377[15:36:21] <Inari> Hey
L378[15:36:25] <Inari> %fling at
Amanda
L379[15:36:25] <MichiBot> Inari flings
-1000000 cobblestone in a random direction. It hits the ground near
Amanda
L380[15:36:26] *
MichiBot An adventurer came by and claimed -1000000 cobblestone was
the artifact they were looking for to save their
village.
L381[15:45:41] <Inari> %splash
Amanda
L382[15:45:42] <MichiBot> You fling a
fragrant tan potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. The fluid
burns as it splashes onto Amanda who takes 2d6 => [2,3] acid
damage.
L383[15:45:47] <Inari> rip
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L385[15:46:19] <Amanda> %dodge
L386[15:46:20] <MichiBot> Amanda manages
to dodge the fragrant tan potion Inari threw with an 18 vs 14. It
splashes onto a unicorn that was standing next to you.
L387[15:46:30] <Inari> Poor unicorn
L388[15:46:32] <Inari> how could you
L389[15:46:47] <Amanda> MEh, they're a
pest
L390[15:47:36] <Amanda> They breed more
rapidly than rabbits
L391[15:50:10]
<Kristopher38> holy shit
L393[15:51:28]
<Kristopher38> and it mined a very long,
over 10km long tunnel with twists and turns
L394[15:54:46]
<Kristopher38> the entrance is literally
20 meters near our base but we always missed it
L395[15:56:09]
<DaComputerNerd> huh
L396[15:56:15]
<DaComputerNerd> has it come through any
ore?
L397[15:56:36]
<Kristopher38> nope
L398[15:56:41]
<DaComputerNerd> lol
L399[15:57:16]
<Kristopher38> but it mined so deep that
the gravity at the place where it currently is is 0.06g compared to
0.25g at the surface (gravity in SE is based on how far you're from
the surface of the planet)
L400[15:58:12]
<Kristopher38> oh wait the reactor fuel
ran out long time ago probably
L401[15:58:22]
<Kristopher38> it now works thanks to
creative mode
L402[16:20:45] <Inari> Oh ffs
L403[16:20:48] <Inari> It's 2020
L404[16:21:00] <Inari> Why do web video
players still randomly break when you move around
L405[16:22:14]
<AdorableCatgirl> because web
L406[16:22:41]
<AdorableCatgirl> i found some bangin
eurobeat because of meme
L407[16:23:04]
<AdorableCatgirl> based AC7
community
L408[16:35:51]
<Forecaster> %splash Inari
L409[16:35:52] <MichiBot> You fling a
gloopy cerulium potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari's
radiation level goes up by 2 until their next sip of water.
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L412[17:05:22]
<Kodos>
%tonk
L413[17:05:23] <MichiBot> By my throth!
Kodos! You beat Lizzy's previous record of 1 hour, 51 minutes and
59 seconds (By 1 hour, 1 minute and 49 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L414[17:05:24] <MichiBot> Kodos's new
record is 2 hours, 53 minutes and 49 seconds! Kodos also gained
0.00206 (0.00103 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position
#9. Need 0.0471 more points to pass DaComputerNerd!
L415[17:18:48] <Amanda> %splash Inari with
mutable tan potion
L416[17:18:49] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable tan potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari turns
into a frog boy for 23 seconds.
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L419[17:34:36] <Inari> rude
L420[17:34:38] <Inari> %splash
Amanda
L421[17:34:39] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable naqahdah potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda
turns into a amethyst unicorn for 6 moons.
L422[17:34:50] <Inari> Ohno
L423[17:34:59] <Inari> You're a pest
now
L424[17:38:17] <Amanda>
%counterspell
L425[17:38:18] <MichiBot> Amanda fails to
Counterspell the mutable naqahdah potion Inari threw with a 6 vs
14.
L426[17:38:24] <Amanda> D:
L427[17:38:35] <Inari> heh
L428[17:38:53] <Elfi> %splash Amanda with
antidote
L429[17:38:53] <MichiBot> You splash
Amanda with some antidote. Amanda reverts to their original state
before any potions.
L430[17:39:07] *
Amanda meows thanks to Elfi, cuddles up around
L431[17:43:13]
<Forecaster> amethyst unicorn sounds a lot
more rare than a regular unicorn though
L432[17:44:23] <Inari> Dunno, what are
their breeding habbits like?
L433[17:48:19]
<DaComputerNerd> dwarf fortress has taught
me that unicorns are evil
L434[17:48:40] <Inari> Not that water is
scary?
L435[17:58:42] <t20kdc> %splash
Inari
L436[17:58:42] <MichiBot> You fling a
boiling solarium potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. A bard
starts playing a lute behind Inari. They don't stop.
L437[17:58:53] <t20kdc> There are many
things that are "not scary".
L438[17:58:59] <t20kdc> This is one of
them.
L440[17:59:52] <t20kdc> If there is one
thing I know is always true, it is that MichiBot is extraordinarily
evil.
L441[18:05:14]
<DaComputerNerd> %splash t20kdc
L442[18:05:15] <MichiBot> You fling a soft
pearlpeas potion (New!) that splashes onto t20kdc. t20kdc gained
one million tonk points.
L443[18:05:42] <t20kdc> And that believing
in the heart of the MichiBot will ensure that the right random
numbers always fall into your metaphorical deck of cards.
L444[18:08:00] <Skye> %tonkpoints
L445[18:08:01] <MichiBot> Skye: I can't
find a record, so you have 0 points.
L446[18:08:05] <Skye> %tonkpoints
t20kdc
L447[18:08:05] <MichiBot> Skye: I can't
find a record, so you have 0 points.
L448[18:08:36] <Michiyo> (It doesn't
actually add points)
L449[18:08:41] <Michiyo>
%tonkleaders
L451[18:08:51] <Skye> %tonk
L452[18:08:53] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Skye,
you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 2 hours, 53 minutes and
49 seconds this time. 1 hour, 3 minutes and 30 seconds were wasted!
Missed by 1 hour, 50 minutes and 18 seconds!
L453[18:08:59] <Skye> AAAAAA
L454[18:09:13] <Skye> %points
L455[18:09:14] <MichiBot> Skye: skyem123
has 9223372036854779999 points
L458[18:09:18] <Skye> yeah
L459[18:09:30] <Michiyo> Skye++
L460[18:09:31] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
skyem123 now has 9223372036854780000 points
L461[18:09:44] <Skye> t20kdc--
L462[18:09:47] <Skye> wait
L463[18:09:48] <Skye> oh no
L464[18:09:53] <t20kdc> Michiyo++
L465[18:09:53] <MichiBot> t20kdc: Michiyo
now has 12 points
L466[18:09:59] <Skye> yeah uh
L467[18:10:00] <Skye> my points
L468[18:10:01] <Skye> uhhh
L469[18:10:04] <Skye> shenanigans
L470[18:10:07] <t20kdc> wait, is my name
unsubtractable
L471[18:10:15] <Michiyo> you can't take
points
L472[18:10:15] <Skye> t20kdc++
L473[18:10:16] <MichiBot> Skye: t20kdc now
has 2 points
L474[18:10:24] <Skye> I once had negative
points
L475[18:10:29] <t20kdc> t20kdc--
L476[18:10:30] <Skye> due to integer
overflow
L477[18:11:10] <t20kdc> darn, how am I
supposed to sacrifice my own points so that the random number
generator will magically protect me from potions
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L481[18:24:22]
<Ariri>
Skye++
L482[18:24:23] <MichiBot> Ariri: skyem123
now has 9223372036854780001 points
L483[18:50:10] <Elfi> That's a lotta
points
L484[19:02:41] <Inari> %points
L485[19:02:41] <MichiBot> Inari: Neppy
has 5873.0 points
L486[19:03:24] *
dequbed has to stock up on popcorn and salt mine equipment for the
fallout of the linking chances in macOS Big Sur 11
L487[19:03:34] <dequbed> I can hear the
yelling from here and I'm not even using macOS :D
L488[19:05:13]
<ThePiGuy24> %points
L489[19:05:14] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24:
%points has 0 points
L490[19:05:27]
<ThePiGuy24> hmmm
L491[19:06:02]
<ThePiGuy24> it appears to be interpreting
the command as an argument
L492[19:10:51] <Amanda> linking chances?
Or changes, dequbed?
L493[19:12:32] <dequbed> Amanda: linking
changes, sorry.
L494[19:12:53] <Amanda> follup question:
What changes?
L495[19:13:01] <dequbed> Apparently
they're dropping application-provided .dylibs and are planning to
get by on a system-managed symbol cache instead.
L496[19:13:08] <Amanda> I see
L497[19:13:19] <Amanda> so, static link or
bust, now?
L498[19:13:49]
<AdorableCatgirl> wh-what
L499[19:13:50] <dequbed> Not quite. You
can dlopen() a library you need and if the system cache knows the
stuff you want you still get it linked dynamically
L502[19:14:42] <dequbed> sorry,
system-application provided. You yourself can still do whatever the
fuck you want of course. It *is* a computer
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L504[19:15:45] <dequbed> I feel like this
chance may push a similar one in Linux, especially by the
systemd-crowd. Poettering doesn't exactly like dynamic
linking.
L505[19:23:43] <Skye> dequbed, cursed
idea: dyanmic linking FS
L506[19:24:02] <dequbed> dynamic linking
what?
L508[19:24:45] <Skye> basically if you
have no real DL files, could you make an FS that mimics them
L509[19:24:48] <Skye> like
L510[19:25:27]
<Forecaster> %sip
L511[19:25:28] <MichiBot> You drink a
goopy redstone potion (New!). Forecaster gains one research
point.
L512[19:25:54]
<Forecaster> I just tried Shipbreaker and
it's great
L513[19:26:00]
<Forecaster> I can't wait for the full
game
L514[19:27:41] <dequbed> Skye: You mean
like you dunno, dlopen() a library but your loader first checks
into something else as VFS? If yes, that's exactly what Linux'
ldcache does. It's a smart idea, which is one of the reason why
we've been doing it for the last three decades.\
L515[19:29:21]
<Kristopher38> @Forecaster where is it
available?
L516[19:29:28]
<Forecaster> on steam
L517[19:29:38]
<Forecaster> it's early access
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L521[20:02:05]
<Forecaster> err, why did it copy is as a
png...
L523[20:24:27] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L524[20:24:27] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 2 hours,
53 minutes and 49 seconds this time. 2 hours, 15 minutes and 34
seconds were wasted! Missed by 38 minutes and 14 seconds!
L525[20:31:10]
<Forecaster> ooh
L528[20:52:22] <Elfi> so FLUFFY
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L530[21:19:56] <t20kdc> dequbed: I hereby
propose that someone tell freenode #esoteric that Mac OS X is a new
esoteric programming platform
L531[21:20:53] <t20kdc> because, frankly,
their approach was getting stupid around the time Metal happened,
and now it's gone past that
L532[21:21:04] <t20kdc> ("their"
here being Apple's)
L533[21:21:47] <t20kdc> how many times
will Apple decide that, you know what, programmers just... haven't
gone through sufficient pain yet
L534[21:22:26] <t20kdc> soon they'll have
a new universal programming platform that will just literally be
befunge or something
L535[21:24:07] <CompanionCube> oh?
L536[21:24:21] <CompanionCube> what makes
the recent ARM news esoteric specifically?
L537[21:29:24]
<Ariri>
Just watching it now, and Im most impressed by the SoCs, lol.
L538[21:32:13] <CompanionCube> Ariri:
Rosetta 2 is laso interesting, and given that kernel extensions
seem to still be a thing I hopefully won't be needing those dibs on
the 'continues the war' comement to Izaya.
L539[21:32:46]
<Kristopher38> %discord
L541[21:34:08]
<Ren>
@payonel I'm having a severe issue that makes it so that I can't
actually download anything via pastebin
L543[21:34:08]
<Ren>
something to do with ssl certs apparently
L544[21:34:26]
<Ren> this
affects both Opencomputers and, with a different error,
Computercraft
L545[21:35:02] <Amanda> @Ren update youe
java 8 version
L546[21:35:22]
<Ren> I'm
on Java 1.8.0_251 64bit
L547[21:35:26]
<Ren> I was
told recently that was the newest
L548[21:35:38]
<Ren> I was
told recently that was the newest
L549[21:35:38]
<Ren> but
if it's not I'll do that [Edited]
L550[21:35:57]
<Ariri>
CompanionCube: Rosetta 2 and Universal 2 both interest me, and
being able to run mobile apps natively is a huge plus for
testing
L551[21:36:00] <Amanda> if not that, then
something on your network might be mitm-ing it
L552[21:36:11]
<Ariri> (Im
pretty sure that wasnt already a thing)
L553[21:36:26]
<Ren> i
can't imagine why that would happen
L554[21:36:39]
<Ren> I can
access the internet in all other ways just fine
L556[21:36:47]
<Ren>
absolutely I can
L557[21:37:07]
<Ariri>
Ren: As Amanda said, its more likely something buggy with your
network, I would first check for something with your DNS or if you
have some kind of network filter then try disabling it
L558[21:37:20]
<Ariri> I
know campus/organization filters can give certificate issues
L559[21:37:26]
<Ren> this
is just on a home network
L560[21:37:35]
<Ren> no
filter that I'm aware of
L561[21:37:45] <Amanda> is this on a
server or in single-player?
L562[21:37:56]
<Ariri> Are
you using a custom DNS server and/or a work/school issues
machine?
L563[21:37:56]
<Ren> i'm
going to test it modside by making a fresh instance with only
opencomputers
L564[21:37:56]
<Ren> This
is singleplayer
L565[21:37:59]
<Ariri>
issued*
L566[21:38:37]
<Ren> no to
the latter, I don't think so to the former-- wait, I have a
theory
L567[21:38:38]
<Ren> I'm
connected to ZeroTier One, I use that because I can't forward my
own ports
L568[21:38:41]
<Ren> let
me try without that on
L569[21:38:59]
<Ariri> If
you go the pastebin link in your browser that youre trying to
download from, do you see the lock icon to indicate you have an ssl
connection?
L570[21:39:29]
<Ren>
where, in the address bar?
L571[21:39:55]
<Ariri>
Likely
L572[21:39:57]
<payonel>
@Ren also make sure youre using our dev buidls, i added a Agent fix
for our internet calls
L573[21:40:18] <Amanda> that woulnd't
present as an SSL issue would it, payonel?
L574[21:40:19]
<Ren> yeah
there's a lock, says the connection is secure
L575[21:40:53]
<Ren> i
didn't know dev builds were an option, are they on
curseforge?
L576[21:40:53]
<Ren> right
now i'm trying without ZT1
L577[21:41:09]
<Ren> i
didn't know dev builds were an option, are they on
curseforge?
L578[21:41:10]
<Ren> right
now i'm trying without ZT1 as my only change [Edited]
L580[21:41:22]
<Ren> if
that doesn't work I will try a fresh instance
L581[21:41:28]
<Ren> if
that doesn't work I will try a fresh instance w/ only OC
[Edited]
L583[21:41:49]
<Ariri>
Also in the MOTD of the channel are other relevant links
L584[21:42:09]
<Ren> ah,
thanx
L585[21:43:01]
<Ren> I've
always wanted to be able to use OpenComputers to something
resembling its full extent since I like the modularity moreso than
compcraft, though no disses on the latter intended
L586[21:43:13]
<Ren> and I
just love the aesthetic of lots of glowy server racks
L587[21:44:44] <CompanionCube> Ariri: i
imagine it's just a generic machine cluster
L588[21:45:37] <Skye> dequbed, wait what
is ldcache?
L589[21:46:23] <CompanionCube> it could be
aesthetic, it could be a build/testfarm, could be something else.
Obviously we can't tell from a sreeenshot.
L590[21:47:24] <CompanionCube> imo
'Universal 2' isn't interesting, it's just a re-run of PPC/Intel
universal and multi-arch binaries in general
L591[21:47:51]
<Ariri> Hmm
yeah
L592[21:47:51]
<Ariri> I
thought there mightve been a primary function for something to do
with silicon design since they said it was a lab for it, but I dont
really know much chip design yet
L593[21:48:08]
<Ren> OK,
disabling Zerotier One did nothing, I'm going to make a fresh
twitch instance next
L594[21:48:25] <CompanionCube> could be
FPGAs, perhaps?
L595[21:48:30] <CompanionCube> or running
design simulations?
L596[21:49:18]
<Ariri>
FPGA as in field programmable gate array?
L597[21:49:54]
<Ariri>
That would be interesting
L598[21:51:58] <Lizzy> %tonk
L599[21:51:59] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Lizzy,
you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 2 hours, 53 minutes and
49 seconds this time. 1 hour, 27 minutes and 31 seconds were
wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 26 minutes and 17 seconds!
L600[21:52:08] <Lizzy> bleh
L601[21:53:26]
<Ren> is
there a way to power an OC computer with no other mods
installed
L602[21:53:37]
<Ren> I
just realized I have no capacitor or anything for this test
L603[21:53:40]
<Ren> I
just realized I have no prefilled capacitor or anything for this
test [Edited]
L604[21:54:21]
<payonel>
@Ren if testing, use a creative computer case for inf power
L605[21:54:30]
<Ren>
o
L606[21:54:40]
<Forecaster> Creative case or turn off
power in the config, or use carpeted capacitors
L607[21:56:05]
<Ren> okay,
running it solo also didn't fix the problem
L608[21:56:06]
<Ren> I'll
try the dev build now
L609[21:58:40]
<Ren> yep,
same error
L610[21:59:09]
<Ren> fresh
forge install, opencomputers 1.7.5.212, no other mods installed,
zerotier one removed
L611[21:59:29]
<Ren> let
me check my firewall and my router settings
L612[21:59:36]
<Ren>
firewall is off completely
L613[22:05:19]
<Ren> I am
on the newest Java
L614[22:11:11]
<Ren> I
wonder if it has any connection to my seeming total inability to
port forward as of recently
L615[22:14:02]
<Ren> good
news, I found the issue!
L616[22:14:18]
<Ren>
Kaspersky was killing the connection attempt
L617[22:14:24]
<Ren> as
soon as I disabled it, pastebin run worked without even restarting
minecraft
L618[22:14:31]
<Ren> I
will try to find a less nuclear option than completely disabling
kaspersky
L619[22:14:36]
<Ren> I
will try to find a less nuclear option than completely disabling
kaspersky, but I otherwise have fixed my issue [Edited]
L620[22:25:04] <dequbed> t20kdc: Let's be
real here. Ripping out and replacing the linker under macOS is much
less worse than under Linux, given how the ecosystem seems to work
from my limited experience.
L621[22:26:16] <t20kdc> dequbed:
LD_LIBRARY_PATH exists. Having a dynamic linker, even if the
ecosystem of libraries is flawed, is infinitely better than
chopping out the functionality altogether.
L622[22:27:06] <dequbed> Skye: Without
going to much into linking detail, the
~kernel~~libc~it'scomplicated-provided dynamic loader under linux
makes a runable memory image from an ELF file. /etc/ld.so.cache is
a cache system used to make that process faster.
L623[22:28:21] <dequbed> t20kdc:
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not a thing on macOS. It is not an universal
thing in the first place and not required for a linker to function
or to be POSIX-compliant. And *additionally* they are *NOT*
removing dynamic linking capability alltogether. dyld, now version
3, is still around.
L624[22:29:01] <dequbed> s/dynamic
linking/dynamic loading/
L625[22:29:03] <MichiBot> <dequbed>
t20kdc: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not a thing on macOS. It is not an
universal thing in the first place and not required for a linker to
function or to be POSIX-compliant. And *additionally* they are
*NOT* removing dynamic loading capability alltogether. dyld, now
version 3, is still around.
L626[22:30:16] <t20kdc> dequbed: I was
stating in reference to your note about Linux. Anyway. If an
application can still bundle libraries and use dynamic loading then
there's no problem. It's just that Apple's decisions as of late
lead me to assume trouble.
L627[22:31:01] <t20kdc> dequbed: (Again,
Metal is insanity. It's nice that Valve basically bailed them out
with acquiring and open-sourcing MoltenVK, but it's also something
that should never have had to have been done.)
L628[22:31:11]
<Forecaster> oh no
L630[22:31:22]
<Forecaster> my non-existant netflix
account is on hold
L631[22:32:07]
<Saghetti>
mugshots.com1@gmail.com
L632[22:32:09]
<Saghetti>
hmm
L633[22:32:14]
<Forecaster> super legit
L634[22:32:21]
<Saghetti>
yep
L635[22:32:27]
<Saghetti>
that's netflix alright
L636[22:32:33]
<Ren> The
tablet from creative mode doesn't seem to actually be usable
L637[22:32:44]
<Ren> it
boots (blinking entry symbol on the sprite) but is a black screen
internally
L638[22:32:57]
<Ren>
should I just build my own? it lists the components in the tooltip
and nothing seems to be missing
L639[22:33:08] <dequbed> t20kdc: I have no
experience with Metal so I can't comment on that. The chance to
loading behaviour still allows for dlopen(). It still requires it
actually. You are now simply redirected to cached symbols in a
system-managed cache instead of loading a standalone dylib from
your hard drive.
L640[22:33:13]
<Forecaster> the creative tablet should
work
L641[22:33:44] <dequbed> It may mean that
the DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH hint works differently with system-provided
libraries and it may make application startup faster. I haven't
tried yet and I probably won't for quite a while.
L642[22:34:07] <dequbed>
s/chance/change/
L643[22:34:09] <MichiBot> <dequbed>
t20kdc: I have no experience with Metal so I can't comment on that.
The change to loading behaviour still allows for dlopen(). It still
requires it actually. You are now simply redirected to cached
symbols in a system-managed cache instead of loading a standalone
dylib from your hard drive.
L644[22:34:45] <t20kdc> dequbed: It's less
a matter of having experience with Metal and more a matter of
"they went and made their own proprietary Vulkan-like graphics
API when Vulkan exists". It's a big matter of
"why???".
L645[22:35:54]
<Ren> so,
if I connect a rack to a computer, how would I get the functions
associated with a board in the rack? Computronics has some custom
boards like the Light Board but it doesn't list the functions in
the wiki
L646[22:36:08]
<Ren> so,
if I connect a rack to a computer, or have a server in the same
rack, how would I get the functions associated with a board in the
rack? Computronics has some custom boards like the Light Board but
it doesn't list the functions in the wiki [Edited]
L647[22:36:29] <Amanda> t20kdc: doesn't
Metal pre-date Vulkan by a year ot two?
L648[22:36:43] <dequbed> two years
according to wikipedia.
L649[22:37:10] <dequbed> So the question
to "Why?" answers itself as "because OpenGL is
actually bad and Apple went and fixed it in a typical propietary
way"
L650[22:37:10]
<Ren> oh,
more technically phrased question, how can I get the functions
associated with a component
L651[22:37:31]
<Forecaster> @Ren open the lua prompt,
type `component.<tab>` to cycle through available
components
L652[22:37:52]
<Forecaster> then
`component.nameofcomponent.<tab>` to cycle through it's
fields
L653[22:38:02]
<Kristopher38> you can cycle those?
:o
L654[22:38:06]
<Forecaster> then
`component.nameofcomponent.<tab>` to cycle through its fields
[Edited]
L655[22:38:08]
<Forecaster> yes
L656[22:38:08] <t20kdc> dequbed: Huh. Ok.
TIL. I guess that makes... more sense then. It doesn't explain why
it took Valve to fix the mess once Vulkan came around, but it's at
least something.
L657[22:38:17] <CompanionCube> Metal
existing makes sense
L658[22:38:18]
<Kristopher38> TIL
L659[22:38:25]
<Forecaster> the lua prompt has tab
completion for those
L660[22:38:36] <CompanionCube> what does
not make sense is Apple wanting only Metal.
L661[22:38:44]
<Kristopher38> that's a really useful
feature, I've been using OC for half a year and didn't notice
L662[22:38:45] <dequbed> t20kdc: The
question rather becomes why did they roll their own instead of
using Mantle but again, Apple, propietary.
L663[22:39:00] <Amanda> CompanionCube: it
doesn't, until you consider that they just want people to be
writing stuff stuck in their garden
L664[22:39:19] <CompanionCube> Amanda: i
meant 'make sense from a non-walled-garden POV'
L665[22:39:46] <Amanda> The entire point
of Apple in the last decade+ was building up the walled
garden
L666[22:39:56] <Amanda> s/was/is/
L667[22:39:56] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
The entire point of Apple in the last decade+ is building up the
walled garden
L668[22:40:00]
<Forecaster> @Ren some component methods
will have documentation built in which you get just by typing for
example `component.modem.send` into the lua prompt (no parenthesis
because you don't want to call it)
L669[22:40:08] <dequbed> Amanda: And also
squeezing as much money from it as possible
L670[22:40:20] *
CompanionCube agrees with Amanda
L671[22:40:29] <CompanionCube> but it was
more from a 'what should happen' POV.
L672[22:41:00] <dequbed> Or in other
words: Apple is a garden with very high walls and a 100-ton press
perfectly fitted in those walls. Have fun.
L673[22:42:01] <Amanda> don't be silly,
dequbed
L674[22:42:08] <Amanda> the press is only
over the developer area
L675[22:42:35] <Amanda> because apple
cares ony about their own developers
L676[22:42:47] <dequbed> Well to be fair,
Apple likes to charge a bunch for their very propietary shitty
hardware
L677[22:43:12] <t20kdc> didn't Apple
invent the "literally somehow worse than secure boot"
chipset
L678[22:43:26]
<AdorableCatgirl> so
L679[22:43:28]
<AdorableCatgirl> tbh
L680[22:43:32] <CompanionCube> Amanda: do
they even care about their own developers, though?
L681[22:43:42]
<AdorableCatgirl> i don't test if anything
i make works on windows or mac
L682[22:44:07] <Amanda> CompanionCube: I
have to assume they do, since I've not heard of their offices
having revolving doors for developer interviews and exits
L683[22:44:08] <CompanionCube> their
public behaviour would suggest otherwise
L684[22:44:09]
<Kristopher38> apple has plenty of bad
hardware designs
L685[22:44:09]
<AdorableCatgirl> if it works on windows,
it's amazing
L686[22:44:18] <CompanionCube> or do you
mean their own employees
L687[22:44:25] <CompanionCube> vs the devs
for their platform
L688[22:44:28] <Amanda> their own
employees
L689[22:44:31] <CompanionCube> ah
L690[22:44:39] <t20kdc> I try to get my
stuff to work on Windows and Mac via asking someone to test, but if
Mac support becomes infeasible due to them pulling stupid nonsense,
then there's just plain nothing I can do
L691[22:45:10]
<AdorableCatgirl> i genuinely don't know
if luacomp works in windows
L692[22:45:11] <Skye> what firmware will
apple uise for ARM
L693[22:45:13]
<Ariri>
They seemed to emphasize on the easiness of transitions between
platforms/software, which I suppose can be interpreted both
ways
L694[22:45:14] *
CompanionCube can't remembet the specifics of the T2 chip being
worse than secure boot.
L695[22:45:20] <Skye> OpenFirmware, or
EFI?
L696[22:45:28]
<AdorableCatgirl> it should? but w/e
L697[22:45:28] <CompanionCube> Skye: lol
openfirmware ain't happening
L698[22:45:31] <t20kdc> CompanionCube:
something about being unable to access the hard disk from ubuntu on
pain of forced system crash, IIRC
L699[22:45:51] <CompanionCube> the most
likely options are iboot or ARM UEFI imo
L700[22:45:59] <CompanionCube> a third
option's possible but unlikely.
L701[22:46:07] <Amanda> probably whatever
their iphones use
L702[22:46:20] <CompanionCube> Amanda:
that would be iboot, yes
L703[22:46:43] <Skye> thing is
L704[22:46:48] <Skye> how locked down will
apple make their boot
L705[22:46:53] <dequbed> Yes.
L706[22:46:57]
<Ariri> Tbh
the only Apple product I have no real desire to ever own, despite
having gotten a free Mac Mini from a friends work for dev purposes
(which I dont even use) is a Mac, it seems to lack a lot of the
typical polish
L707[22:47:14] <CompanionCube> Skye: well,
so far we know kernel extensions are still A Thing
L708[22:47:17]
<Ariri>
Skye: Considering all the 'privacy' and 'secure enclave
L709[22:47:22]
<Ariri>
stuff, a lot
L710[22:47:53]
<Ariri>
With the new SoC on Macs, theyll probably bring most of that over,
so theyll want to lock it down pretty heavy, or have those features
disablable
L711[22:48:07]
<Ariri>
(disableable? able to be disabled?)
L712[22:48:26] <CompanionCube> lol the
page needs KS
L713[22:48:29] <CompanionCube> *JS
L714[22:48:33] <CompanionCube> it's static
content lol
L716[22:49:02] <CompanionCube> can't be
iOS-tier lockdown if this exists, but we'll have to learn
more.
L717[22:50:19]
<Ariri>
Actually I just remembered, bio auth already exists, so Macs
already have something like a Secure Enclave, and along with that
page CC just sent, its possible it may not be much more locked than
it already is
L718[22:50:22] <CompanionCube> I believe
they have a desire to ditch this eventually, but their approach is
incrementally replacing kernels APIs with new ones.
L719[22:51:41]
<Ariri> The
only real alluring factor of the Mac to me is that raw performance
on one chip, barring the unreleased benchmarks. 3 simulataneous 4K
streams with real-time editing sounds pretty nice, but maybe thats
because Ive never had a desktop with a dedicated GPU before
L720[22:53:32]
<Ariri>
%choose finish that AMV that you've been putting off or work on
some MochiBot stuff
L721[22:53:34] <MichiBot> Ariri: The
sands of time whisper to me... they're saying "work on some
MochiBot stuff".
L722[22:53:50]
<Ariri>
Thanks talking hourglass
L723[22:58:03] <Amanda> Remember, the
hourglass will not threaten to stab you, and, in fact, can not
speek
L724[22:58:25]
<AdorableCatgirl> i ate the
hourglass
L725[22:58:38]
<AdorableCatgirl> it was very a time
consuming task
L726[22:58:53] <Amanda> %stab
@AdorableCatgirl
L727[22:58:54] <MichiBot> Amanda is
stabbing @AdorableCatgirl with alot for 1d4 => 3 damage! Alot
was shiny enough to be claimed by a dragon.
L728[22:59:28]
<AdorableCatgirl> it's crows
L729[22:59:36]
<AdorableCatgirl> crows steal the shiny
things
L730[22:59:39] <CompanionCube> %inv add
spinning pinwheel
L731[22:59:41] *
MichiBot summons 'spinning pinwheel' and adds to her inventory. I
could get some good swings in with this.
L732[22:59:44] <Amanda> and dragons hoard
shiny things
L733[22:59:54]
<Ariri> And
donkeys
L734[22:59:59]
<AdorableCatgirl> %imv add spinning
beachball of death
L735[23:00:03]
<Ariri>
they hoard donkeys
L736[23:00:12]
<AdorableCatgirl> fuck
L737[23:00:15]
<Ariri> AC:
imv -> inv
L738[23:00:19]
<AdorableCatgirl> forgot the
cooldown
L739[23:00:23]
<AdorableCatgirl> oh
L740[23:00:29]
<AdorableCatgirl> %inv add spinning
beachball of death
L742[23:00:43]
<Ariri> It
seems theres both
L743[23:03:18] <Amanda> %choose laptop
takes a nap?
L744[23:03:19] <MichiBot> Amanda: Oh yes,
definitely!
L745[23:03:40] *
Amanda snugs up around Elfi, loads up her new shiny and starts some
halucinating
L746[23:04:46]
<Ariri>
gives Amanda a shiny ball with strange engravings to toy with in
the meantime
L747[23:12:50]
<Ariri> Is
it just me or is GitHub's option to use the security key instead of
only requiring a password for major account changes something that
should be more widespread
L748[23:29:01] <CompanionCube> speaking of
GitHub, apparently they refreshes the UI
L749[23:29:36] <CompanionCube> I guess
it's not a bad referesh, the most awkward thing is the asymentry
between the repo and top bar.
L750[23:30:22] <CompanionCube> smol
circular profile is probably annoying for other people but not
me
L752[23:43:40]
<Kristopher38> >not a bad refresh
L753[23:43:55]
<Kristopher38> they added border-radius on
everything 🤢
L754[23:44:03] <CompanionCube> I've seen
worse
L755[23:44:12] <CompanionCube> Like the
new youtube earlier this month. Or New Reddit.
L756[23:44:28] <Izaya> aiming to blend
with Apple stuff, no doubt
L757[23:44:42] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
~roundrect ALL THE THINGS~
L758[23:45:03] <CompanionCube> your
thoughts?
L759[23:45:24] <Izaya> about?
L760[23:45:26] <Michiyo> @Ariri yep I got
that once upon a time too, scares the shit out of me that other non
helpful people can do the same thing though lol
L761[23:45:33]
<Ariri>
looks at Discord and slack UI
L762[23:45:50] <CompanionCube> the
mediocre-at-best UI refresh?
L763[23:46:04] <Izaya> looks just as bad
as always
L764[23:46:18] <Izaya> remember, I don't
use it, I don't remember what it's meant to look like
L765[23:46:34]
<Ariri>
Michiyo: I know right, and it was instant. As soon as I hit git
push it blared at me
L766[23:46:54] <Michiyo> yep.
L767[23:47:01] <CompanionCube> hah
L768[23:47:02]
<Ariri>
Speaking of which, that prompts me to the do the Git guide
immediately, because I might not have noticed that
L769[23:47:07] <CompanionCube>
surprisingly enough
L770[23:47:15] <CompanionCube> my dark
theme of choice is basicallu intact, woo
L771[23:47:51]
<Ariri>
stuffs Github into an electron shell and changes its css
L772[23:48:15] <CompanionCube> - the
developers of the github 'desktop' app, probably
L773[23:49:53]
<lesbianlinguine> :D worked out how to get
a bit more quality out of Nadeshicodec with VRAM
L774[23:50:18]
<lesbianlinguine> tbh the new github UI
isn't baaad, but i think it flows less nicely
L775[23:51:01]
<lesbianlinguine> it looks more apple-y
and fancy, sure, but idk it just doesn't feel natural enough
L776[23:51:24] <CompanionCube> hence why
it's not bad, just mediocre
L777[23:51:34]
<lesbianlinguine> yeah
L778[23:51:46]
<lesbianlinguine> unlike the horror that
is new reddit
L779[23:52:00] <CompanionCube> or the
youtube homepage
L780[23:52:00]
<Ariri> Is
it bad that I cant tell the difference?
L781[23:52:02]
<Ren> any
recommendations for an OC-based redstone control program
L782[23:52:04] <Izaya> friendly reminder
that both github and reddit have RSS feeds
L783[23:52:16]
<Ariri>
Izaya: For what?
L784[23:52:52] <Izaya> reddit lets you get
the entire content of a given subreddit, though the format leaves
an amount to be desired
L785[23:52:58]
<Ariri>
@Ren Write one of your own to do customizable logic. Im working on
one that will use a lot of component and redstone conditions
L786[23:53:05] <Izaya> github you can
subscribe to your own private feed or various parts of a
project
L787[23:53:14] <CompanionCube> found on
reddit: 'It's a really bad sign when your new design is mistaken
for a CSS bug LUL.'
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L790[23:54:47]
<Ariri>
Izaya: Where can I find this? I just skimmed through settings and
dont see it
L791[23:54:53] <CompanionCube> ...linux
mint?
L792[23:54:55]
<Ariri>
Izaya: Heh, Helltaker
L793[23:55:07] <Izaya> CompanionCube: I
support a fair few machines with it
L794[23:55:28] <Izaya> Ariri: just slap
.rss after the subreddit
L795[23:55:46]
<Ariri>
What about for Github?
L796[23:55:52]
<Ariri>
Might put it on my mirror
L797[23:56:02] <Izaya> Private feed is on
your dashboard at the bottom IIRC
L798[23:56:24]
<Ariri> Ah
found it, thanks
L799[23:56:32] <Izaya> Other stuff, I know
there's a feed for releases, as User/Project/releases.atom
L801[23:58:38] <Izaya> > when most of
the front page is this