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L1[00:00:50] <Klea​dron> yeah
L2[00:01:15] <Klea​dron> bit of a shame NEI requires JEI now
L3[00:01:34] <Klea​dron> it's probably just more of a shell over JEI
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L5[00:02:33] <Bri​anH> I just wish there was an alternative available to it and I am surprised there isn't
L6[00:02:39] <Bri​anH> for 1.12.2
L7[00:02:46] <Bri​anH> It may fix the rendering issues
L8[00:03:51] <Ar​iri> JEI=> rendering issues?
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L13[00:13:52] <Galaxy> NOT TERRIBLE CAMPSITE WIFI LET'S GOOOOOO
L14[00:48:41] <Amanda> campsite wifi?
L15[00:48:43] <Amanda> Kids these days.
L16[00:48:56] * Amanda cuddles up around Elfi for the night
L17[00:51:06] <Ocawes​ome101> monolith's package manager doesn't quiiiiiiiite work properly for some reason :/
L18[01:00:35] <Ocawes​ome101> i wrote a component doc viewer
L19[01:00:46] <Ocawes​ome101> it doesn't just display output, it also formats it slightly
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L23[01:28:51] <Ar​iri> Izaya: Ive built a monstrosity next to you https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/mwmtwZHPS3YBq4J/preview
L24[01:29:04] <Lizzy> https://twitter.com/WatchMixer/status/1275134189738713088 byebye mixer
L25[01:29:05] <MichiBot> Mon Jun 22 11:30:56 PDT 2020 @WatchMixer: Mixer Partners, streamers, and community - today, we've got some very big news for you.
L26[01:30:08] <Ar​iri> Lizzy: Cool, now Facebook can psychoanalyze how long people watch Mixer streams for :D
L27[01:30:08] <Ar​iri> {Who watches stuff on Mixer? Serious question)
L28[01:30:25] <Lizzy> I know Forecaster used to stream there
L29[01:30:37] <Lizzy> and their API was actually quite sane
L30[01:31:11] <Lizzy> I was going to implement it in my discord bot but since it's shutting down in a month i'm not gonna bother
L31[01:31:57] <Ar​iri> Interesting, because Ive nearly never heard anyone stream or watch stuff on there, barring money-grabbers like Ninja
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L38[02:38:45] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> compression ratio 40800:1 http://tinyurl.com/ybz7bgq7
L39[02:40:44] <DaCompu​terNerd> That's a zipbomb alright
L40[02:46:42] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i'm afraid http://tinyurl.com/y74ra529
L41[02:47:32] <CompanionCube> is it a zipbomb if it's not actually a zip? :think:
L42[02:50:31] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> compression nuke
L43[02:50:33] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> t h e r e
L44[02:54:16] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i forgot how to math but uh
L45[02:54:28] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i have the power to kill http://tinyurl.com/y7attvd9
L46[02:57:00] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 84 bytes -> 3 PiB
L47[02:57:18] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i belive
L48[02:58:48] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> sorry, fucked up, it's 952 PiB
L49[03:15:52] <Ar​iri> ~w gpu
L50[03:15:58] <Ar​iri> ~wiki gpu
L51[03:16:13] <Ar​iri> ~doc gpu
L52[03:16:19] <Ar​iri> I always forget..
L53[03:19:20] <Ar​iri> Can I use multiple GPUs in one machine for different screens, each with different information?
L54[03:49:46] <DaCompu​terNerd> I think so?
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L56[03:50:24] <DaCompu​terNerd> I'd imagine you could bind them to individual screens or something
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L60[04:12:30] <Ocawes​ome101> @Ariri yes you can, and Monolith does it for you if you're so inclined ;)
L61[04:30:52] <Ar​iri> That’s alright, thanks, it’s going to be for my base control terminals, I plan on having one screen for each section/sub-system
L62[04:31:31] <Ocawes​ome101> and how many screens does that equate to?
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L67[04:45:38] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Ariri: If you’re going to have more than 3 screens, you may want to do a client-server system where each server displays a different set of data.
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L70[05:06:18] <Izaya> Ariri: what the fuck is that
L71[05:06:35] <Izaya> CompanionCube: my internal optimise says "yay, mainstream ARM Linux machines"
L72[05:06:42] <Izaya> optimist*
L73[05:06:53] <Izaya> the rest of me says "Apple continues the war on its users"
L74[05:13:05] <CompanionCube> Izaya: eh, we don't know enough to use that quote yet
L75[05:14:20] <CompanionCube> the binary translator should be interesting though, and i imagine we're both curious if they'll reuse iboot, retain UEFI, or take a 3rd option
L76[05:14:31] <Izaya> ofw pls
L77[05:14:51] <Izaya> I'd consider an Apple machine if it was a comfy Linux machine with ofw
L78[05:14:59] <CompanionCube> not going to happen, but irony would be 10/10
L79[05:15:30] <CompanionCube> Izaya: inb4 'port ofw to pinebook
L80[05:15:41] <Izaya> Don't put ideas in my head.
L81[05:15:53] <Izaya> Counter-idea though
L82[05:16:06] <CompanionCube> can't be *that* hard, probably has ARM support already as a base :p
L83[05:16:08] <Izaya> stick a pine64 board in a ThinkPad, then port ofw to it
L84[05:16:32] <Izaya> because nothing is sufficiently compelling to replace my X220 yet
L85[05:17:47] * CompanionCube looks https://github.com/MitchBradley/openfirmware/tree/master/cpu/arm
L86[05:18:04] <Izaya> > Darwin
L87[05:18:06] * Izaya squints
L88[05:18:18] <Izaya> yeah the OLPC project had ofw
L89[05:18:45] <CompanionCube> repo's under the actual *creator* of ofw, btw
L90[05:18:58] <Izaya> neat
L91[05:20:18] <CompanionCube> aarch64 would likely be more work than a straight-port though
L92[05:20:43] <Izaya> do you think software for Apple ARM machines will be aaarch64?
L93[05:21:06] <CompanionCube> apple already ditched 32-bit ARM so yes
L94[05:21:36] <Izaya> Apple Advanced Reduced Instruction Set Computing Machine Architecutre 64
L95[05:22:53] <CompanionCube> hah, sounds better than the vaguely-pretentious 'Apple Silicon'
L96[05:24:16] <CompanionCube> also there's new UI guidelines, and they manage to out-GNOME GNOME.
L97[05:24:28] <Izaya> Impressive.
L98[05:24:53] <Izaya> Also, you discount that they could refer to such a processor as triple-A
L99[05:26:31] <CompanionCube> you mean triple-Ayy, surely
L100[05:27:11] <Izaya> Say it in the same voice Jim Sterling does and you have it exactly how I think of it.
L101[05:27:44] <CompanionCube> that's what i was going for yes
L102[05:28:05] <Izaya> > phone makes notification sound
L103[05:28:09] <CompanionCube> also i wasn't joking, look at those sidebars/titlebars: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/overview/whats-new-in-macos/
L104[05:28:11] <Izaya> > no notification on my computer
L105[05:28:13] <Izaya> o.o
L106[05:29:40] <Izaya> that feels very GNOME
L107[05:32:16] <CompanionCube> https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/images/sidebar-1_2x.png in particular, also ~roundrect all the things~
L108[05:33:13] <CompanionCube> and the change to the share symbol wins the 'most pointless' award
L109[05:33:30] <Izaya> I thought they removed it?
L110[05:33:51] <CompanionCube> it showed up on firefox earlier v0v
L111[05:33:59] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/LTNI01Z.png
L112[05:34:14] <Izaya> confused me a bit but wouldn't be out of character
L113[05:35:16] <CompanionCube> the surrounding text says it's still there, so...
L114[05:36:10] <CompanionCube> speaking of firefox, i stumbled upon a sad bug that they're wanting to drop the usage of native theming for content processes :(
L115[05:36:39] <Izaya> For content processes
L116[05:36:48] <Izaya> so that's inside the document view?
L117[05:36:52] <CompanionCube> yes
L118[05:36:59] <CompanionCube> i like my onestepback scrollbar :(
L119[05:37:49] <Izaya> You already lost Firefox addons, they still haven't fixed text boxes, what's one more thing? :^)
L120[05:37:57] <Ar​iri> Izaya: Like I said, a total monstrosity that i’m going to be tearing down and rebuilding
L121[05:38:37] <CompanionCube> Izaya: i only lost one addon to webextensions
L122[05:38:52] <CompanionCube> overbite ff :(
L123[05:38:59] <Izaya> Not a Tree-Style Tabs user?
L124[05:39:04] <Izaya> Ariri: but what is it
L125[05:39:08] <CompanionCube> that one has a webextension
L126[05:39:16] <CompanionCube> and i use tabcenter redux instead
L127[05:39:27] <Izaya> yeah and the webext version is fucking garbage
L128[05:39:44] <Izaya> can't even revert to tab groups because they removed those
L129[05:39:44] <CompanionCube> oh?
L130[05:39:51] <Izaya> as such, waterfox it is
L131[05:39:56] <Izaya> even if I don't trust it at all
L132[05:39:57] <CompanionCube> oh was for garbage btw
L133[05:40:13] <Izaya> It was all the little things.
L134[05:40:16] <Ar​iri> It’s supposed to be a version of the VAH for my AdvRocketry machine automation, rocket deployment, and some missile silos but it looks bloody awful
L135[05:40:27] <CompanionCube> Izaya: tfw only embeddable browser is webkit :(
L136[05:40:38] <Izaya> It was part of the page context rather than the interface
L137[05:40:44] <Izaya> It didn't work properly because of that
L138[05:40:51] <Izaya> and you couldn't actually do a hide unless hovered thing
L139[05:41:10] <Izaya> Made it nigh-unusable when you use your browser in portrait most of the time
L140[05:41:26] <Izaya> (Portrait is the correct orientation to view documents in your document viewer, of course.)
L141[05:41:58] <CompanionCube> bugzilla link btw: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1411425
L142[05:42:15] <Izaya> Beyond scroll bars, will it make any significant difference?
L143[05:42:41] <Izaya> The scroll bar in my browser is already one of those shitty GNOME ones with no controls so I don't care that much myself
L144[05:42:48] <CompanionCube> i imagine the rest are the little less-obvious/universal things
L145[05:43:28] <CompanionCube> like UA default colours or the theming of certain HTML elements
L146[05:43:54] <Izaya> yeah like text boxes
L147[05:44:01] <CompanionCube> former's usually overriden and the latter's not as blatant
L148[05:44:08] <Izaya> which according to this are FINALLY fixed as long as you let Firefox ignore your themes anyway
L149[05:44:23] <CompanionCube> oh?
L150[05:44:41] <Izaya> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1158076
L151[05:45:24] <Izaya> this explains the light Adwaita themed scroll bar I was pointedly ignoring
L152[05:45:52] <CompanionCube> ah
L153[05:49:13] <CompanionCube> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1411425#c19 today on sad 'giving up' comments. Even though since user content/chome CSS exists....and GTK3 themes are CSS....you get me Izaya?
L154[05:49:52] <Izaya> "We did it half-assed, it didn't work properly, and now we're removing it."
L155[05:50:03] <Izaya> Thanks Mozilla, championing the user's interests as usual.
L156[05:50:36] <CompanionCube> when mozilla copies chrome down to the behavioural level
L157[05:50:41] <CompanionCube> badum tish
L158[05:51:32] <Izaya> > So if you use a dark theme, start FF with it's bright variant via the variable and pick a dark theme from AMO you like.
L159[05:51:43] <Izaya> Ah yes, I see you don't use themes.
L160[05:51:51] <Izaya> I see you have no interest in consistency.
L161[05:52:07] <Izaya> ngl I regard my web browser as a lost cause because of this stupid shit
L162[05:52:08] <Izaya> but still
L163[05:52:32] <CompanionCube> still you shouldn't make it worse?
L164[05:52:42] <Izaya> I wouldn't actively try to >.>
L165[05:53:38] <CompanionCube> at least not entirely a waste as it would apparently improve the sandbox as content processes would no longer need direct X11 or whatever
L166[05:53:58] <Izaya> Ah good, now Mozilla can handle the compositing
L167[05:54:04] <Izaya> I don't know which is worse.
L168[05:54:11] <CompanionCube> they already do that anyway :p
L169[05:54:36] <CompanionCube> webrender when?
L170[05:55:10] <CompanionCube> also re waterfox...just remembered the lulzworthy acqusition
L171[05:57:29] <Izaya> yeah x_x
L172[05:57:45] <Izaya> still the most up to date fork with XUL though
L173[05:59:45] <CompanionCube> an embeddable engine that isn't webkit or blink would be nice. Servo's just a prototype though and GeckoView's for Android, so...
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L175[06:01:22] <CompanionCube> ...come to think of it, will this impact thunderbird?
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L177[06:03:13] <CompanionCube> inb4 'use GNUStep's Mail app'
L178[06:03:23] <Izaya> do it coward
L179[06:03:31] <CompanionCube> thing apparenrtly was updated
L180[06:03:54] <CompanionCube> a few months ago, and it doesn't look completely terrible...
L181[06:04:40] <CompanionCube> for best results, use it with the appropriately retro sdf.org account :D
L182[06:06:14] <CompanionCube> 1987 is only two years before the first NeXTStep release, after all...
L183[06:07:06] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/f72d525a9292054a83ddd32590d67aa973b4e9ea5a4c3467a2506a9eac63ed3a.jpg
L184[06:08:11] <CompanionCube> ooh, which megastructure?
L185[06:08:19] * CompanionCube should make his empire soon, right?
L186[06:08:43] <Izaya> yee
L187[06:08:46] <Izaya> always good fun
L188[06:09:08] <Izaya> it's the uh, Nidavellir Hyperforge from Gigastructural Engineering
L189[06:13:36] <CompanionCube> anyway, i call preemptive dibs on the 'war' comment if arm-mac uses iboot and/or has worse linux support
L190[06:15:30] * CompanionCube does wonder if running iOS apps on the new ARM macOS will result in design...issues.
L191[06:16:06] <CompanionCube> but then again i guess 'Throughout macOS 11, windows adopt visual touches that recall iOS interfaces.' answered that already.
L192[06:26:24] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> Izaya: let's make our own we browser
L193[06:28:59] <Ar​iri> The Firebook product line would probably be disputed between Amazon and Mozilla, should either of them go that route
L194[06:30:03] <CompanionCube> AdorableCatgirl: statements made by an insane person
L195[06:30:19] <CompanionCube> Ariri: oh?
L196[06:33:57] <CompanionCube> consider that firefox is 22.2 million lines of code.
L197[06:39:58] <Ar​iri> O.O
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L199[07:17:08] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> CC: i'm trying to write a compression algorithm. your point?
L200[07:17:45] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> also it's working
L201[07:18:09] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i got a natural 3:1 on a TGA file
L202[07:18:32] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i mean
L203[07:18:36] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> it's a TGA tho
L204[07:18:38] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> so there's that
L205[07:19:30] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> ah http://tinyurl.com/y8mfvq7j
L206[07:19:34] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> something seems wrong here
L207[07:19:54] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> and i bet if i disable the RLE part of the code, it'll output fine
L208[07:23:04] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> http://tinyurl.com/y9t5t8gw
L209[07:23:05] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> y e p
L210[07:29:54] <Ar​iri> Now compress it 40800:1
L211[07:30:17] <CompanionCube> compression algos are reasonable
L212[07:30:21] <CompanionCube> the web ain't
L213[07:30:48] <CompanionCube> in random ios good news: 'users will be able to change their default browser and default email app.'
L214[07:38:43] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> Ariri: I got a better ratio for you
L215[07:39:18] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 12767097070738285:1
L216[07:52:09] <Ar​iri> Great, now compress my neurons so I can actually remember what I had planned for later
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L218[08:15:20] <Kristo​pher38> Alright, that's probably some special data
L219[08:15:45] <Kristo​pher38> Now compress the same data with your algorithm and compare it to lzss or something else
L220[08:16:19] <Kristo​pher38> And I mean, some real world data
L221[08:18:50] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> @Kristopher38 i handmade the file :P
L222[08:19:16] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i started handmaking the files to test the decompressor
L223[08:19:22] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> my compressor is godawful
L224[08:26:51] <Izaya> this is the most galaxy brained strategy I've used in a while
L225[08:27:02] <Izaya> the fallen empire next to me woke up while I was at war
L226[08:27:26] <Izaya> and now I'm constantly at war to avoid them demanding I become a satellite because I don't have the ability to beat them into submission
L227[08:34:55] <CompanionCube> i've done the same thing in EU4
L228[08:35:14] <CompanionCube> except with personal-unions instead of satellites
L229[08:36:02] <Izaya> If it were subsidiary or vassal I'd consider it
L230[08:36:14] <Izaya> but I'm not giving up any of my fuckin science output
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L232[08:57:34] <Sagh​etti> i made a discord bot that allows you to play DS games http://tinyurl.com/y9ll95r4
L233[08:57:44] <Sagh​etti> i got a few people and together we beat chapter 1 of PMD
L234[08:57:47] <Sagh​etti> it was great
L235[08:58:01] <Sagh​etti> but now i need to figure out how the fuck to resample raw PCM audio
L236[08:58:16] <Sagh​etti> because discord is is 48khz and my emulator outputs 44.1khz
L237[09:01:29] <Forec​aster> what's PMD
L238[09:02:19] <Forec​aster> ... wait what
L239[09:02:37] <Forec​aster> I think my carrier flight controller greeted me with "oh seven commander"
L240[09:03:14] <Forec​aster> did they really...
L241[09:05:47] <Forec​aster> oh huh, Mixer is shutting down
L242[09:07:55] <Sagh​etti> pokemon mystery dungeon
L243[09:17:03] <Ar​iri> Forecaster: yup, they really do say oh seven, and its great
L244[09:17:23] <Forec​aster> huh, I did not expect that
L245[09:19:09] <Michiyo> o7
L246[09:19:12] <Michiyo> lol.. ah right
L247[09:19:24] <Ar​iri> Wasnt expecting a GalNet article either, but FDev has been surprising us
L248[09:19:32] <Forec​aster> yeah, that's a common greeting in elite
L249[09:19:38] <Forec​aster> yeah, that's a common greeting in E:D [Edited]
L250[09:19:47] <Forec​aster> what galnet article?
L251[09:19:48] <Michiyo> it took me a second.. it's 1:20 am lol
L252[09:19:50] <Ar​iri> Sometimes its the entire conversation
L253[09:20:13] <Ar​iri> Michiyo: Thanks for reminding me that Im up later than I had planned @.@
L254[09:20:19] <Michiyo> and yeah' I've o7'd quiet a bit in EvE too
L255[09:20:21] <Michiyo> lol
L256[09:20:28] <Ar​iri> Forecaster: The one on the launcher, you didnt see?
L257[09:20:46] <Ar​iri> Unless Im mixing up my labels
L258[09:21:09] <Forec​aster> none of them stand out to me
L259[09:21:14] <Ar​iri> I read Eve initially and said, yeah, makes sense
L260[09:21:36] <Ar​iri> Its the only one there
L261[09:21:53] <Ar​iri> GalNet news hasnt come out in a while
L262[09:22:20] <Forec​aster> oh, yeah
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L265[09:41:19] <Forec​aster> "optimum yield range exceeded"
L266[09:41:21] <Forec​aster> godammit
L267[09:41:23] <Forec​aster> why though
L268[09:41:26] <Forec​aster> D:
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L271[09:57:28] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L272[09:57:29] <MichiBot> Fudge! Squi​dDev! You beat Li​zzy's previous record of 2 hours, 10 minutes and 16 seconds (By 8 hours, 16 minutes and 51 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L273[09:57:30] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.01 tonk points! plus 0.009 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.08875. Position #1
L274[10:36:11] <Sagh​etti> %tonk
L275[10:36:13] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket! Sagh​etti! You beat Squi​dDev's previous record of <0 (By 38 minutes and 42 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L276[10:36:14] <MichiBot> Saghetti's new record is 38 minutes and 42 seconds! Saghetti also gained 0.00065 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #14 => #13. (Overtook Izaya) Need 0.01985 more points to pass Mim​iru!
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L280[11:06:14] <Sagh​etti> other people at 3 am: binge watching or smth
L281[11:06:15] <Sagh​etti> me at 3 am: designing shitty ISA
L282[11:42:25] <Lizzy> SMART: I have 150 bad sectors on this disk.
L283[11:42:35] <Lizzy> SMART: We're OKAY!
L284[11:42:53] <Sagh​etti> DUMP
L285[11:42:57] <Sagh​etti> i cant even type
L286[11:43:00] <Sagh​etti> DUMB*
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L288[12:04:50] <Sagh​etti> aaaaa
L289[12:04:56] <Sagh​etti> designing an ISA is hard
L290[12:05:49] <Sagh​etti> i really wanted to use 2 byte instructions and (optional) 4 byte data
L291[12:06:03] <Sagh​etti> but making it actually sane is hard
L292[12:06:18] <Sagh​etti> i really want to have all instructions used incrementally
L293[12:06:45] <Sagh​etti> but how am I going to decide it other than a 65536 entry table?
L294[12:08:16] <Sagh​etti> 256kb used for the function lookup table alone
L295[12:08:33] <Sagh​etti> let alone the actual code that performs the instructions
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L297[12:11:07] <Sagh​etti> i could cut down on unnedded instructions like MOV R0 [R0+R0]
L298[12:11:15] <Sagh​etti> which probably won't ever be used
L299[12:11:23] <Sagh​etti> but that makes it inconsistent
L300[12:19:33] <ThePi​Guy24> %tonk
L301[12:19:34] <MichiBot> Dogast! ThePi​Guy24! You beat Sagh​etti's previous record of 38 minutes and 42 seconds (By 1 hour, 4 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L302[12:19:35] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24's new record is 1 hour, 43 minutes and 21 seconds! ThePiGuy24 also gained 0.00108 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #6. Need 0.08195 more points to pass simo​n816!
L303[12:21:32] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/y8snhlt2
L304[12:21:40] <Sagh​etti> meanwhile in ARM land
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L307[13:21:37] <stephan48> g48
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L310[13:24:33] <Forec​aster> AmandaClone is online
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L312[13:34:56] <Inari> g48?
L313[14:07:34] <Bri​anH> Playing without jei is harder than I remember
L314[14:07:55] <Forec​aster> why would you do such a thing
L315[14:08:08] <Bri​anH> Every time i open my inventory it crashes
L316[14:08:19] <Forec​aster> ah
L317[14:08:51] <Bri​anH> It complains about not being able to render something so I removed the mod it was trying to render the object from
L318[14:09:28] <Bri​anH> Kept happening but from anothermod, so I was like well it's not the items from the mods
L319[14:10:07] <Izaya> .choose kaguya or ds9
L320[14:10:13] <Bri​anH> It's complaining about lwjgl saying you can't use a particular opengl function in a particular way,
L321[14:10:15] <Izaya> %choose kaguya or ds9
L322[14:10:16] <MichiBot> Iz​aya: Out of these two choices? I'd say "ds9".
L323[14:10:37] <Bri​anH> So I was like, well portobello not a driver issue. I updated my drivers anyways
L324[14:11:02] <Bri​anH> Next thing I did was turn off shaders in optimise
L325[14:11:09] <Bri​anH> Optifine*
L326[14:11:12] <Bri​anH> Still happens
L327[14:11:32] <Lizzy> %tonk
L328[14:11:33] <MichiBot> Sard! Li​zzy! You beat ThePi​Guy24's previous record of 1 hour, 43 minutes and 21 seconds (By 8 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L329[14:11:34] <MichiBot> Lizzy's new record is 1 hour, 51 minutes and 59 seconds! Lizzy also gained 0.00028 (0.00014 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.04113 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L330[14:12:02] <Bri​anH> I have no leads from the crash log and I don't know what to do at this point. I even upgraded jei. My friends that play on my server with same settings and everything can not reproduce it
L331[14:21:13] <Brisingr​Aerowing> I’ve seen that before. Your instance may be broken. You should try reinstalling it.
L332[14:21:56] <Izaya> payonel: can I unlimit ocvm's memory?
L333[14:21:59] <Izaya> for... reasons.
L334[14:26:13] <Amanda> Izaya: set ot to math.huge
L335[14:26:33] <Amanda> it*
L336[14:26:53] <Izaya> that easy?
L337[14:27:11] <Amanda> should be
L338[14:27:31] <Izaya> neat
L339[14:27:41] <Amanda> unless payonel is doing something clever with the allocater than I'd do
L340[14:30:28] <Forec​aster> %choose keep mining or Unity or MichiBot
L341[14:30:29] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Some "MichiBot" sounds nice
L342[14:30:39] <Forec​aster> if you say so MichiBot
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L344[14:31:05] <Amanda> "MichiBot" says the totally un-biased Michibt
L345[14:31:56] <Forec​aster> well really it's pretty brave, like volunteering for surgery
L346[14:36:32] <Izaya> Should we confiscate the knives?
L347[14:37:17] <Lizzy> nah
L348[14:37:29] <ThePi​Guy24> More knife = More successery
L349[14:41:21] <Forec​aster> Oh that's okay, I won't be needing those for this part
L350[14:41:33] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> compression is complicated
L351[14:41:34] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> starts chainsaw
L352[14:42:26] <Amanda> What is this, Theme Hospital?
L353[14:45:47] <Forec​aster> What do you mean I have a 100% success rate and nothing has gone wrong ever
L354[14:47:22] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> puts sheet over abomination that has been assembled wrong
L355[14:47:43] <Izaya> No mistakes, only happy accidents.
L356[14:47:52] * Izaya gets out paintbrushes and red paint bucket
L357[14:49:27] <Kristo​pher38> I've constructed a hydrogen-based mining ship for survival in SE
L358[14:49:45] <Kristo​pher38> as always, it turned out blocky
L359[14:50:05] <Izaya> almost as if aerodynamics is irellevant in space
L360[14:50:10] <Izaya> the borg have it right
L361[14:52:40] <Kristo​pher38> I mean, big and blocky
L362[14:53:14] <Kristo​pher38> being big is less desirable for mining cause you're moving in tight spaces
L363[14:57:35] <Amanda> just addmore drills
L364[14:57:41] <Amanda> problem solved
L365[15:07:01] <Kristo​pher38> I did, I've got 8 drills D:
L366[15:07:22] <Kristo​pher38> inb4 that isn't many
L367[15:07:33] <Amanda> I mean
L368[15:07:50] <Amanda> The drill machine Lizzy made for us in space has like 16 I think? Or was it 25?
L369[15:09:16] <Amanda> I thinkit was 25, a 5x5 wall of the things
L370[15:13:30] <Lizzy> it was 5x5, yeah
L371[15:13:38] <Lizzy> at least for the large grid one
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L374[15:30:15] <Amanda> %bap Inari
L375[15:30:16] <MichiBot> Amanda baps Inari with ender pearls!
L376[15:36:20] <Inari> D:
L377[15:36:21] <Inari> Hey
L378[15:36:25] <Inari> %fling at Amanda
L379[15:36:25] <MichiBot> In​ari flings -1000000 cobblestone in a random direction. It hits the ground near Ama​nda
L380[15:36:26] * MichiBot An adventurer came by and claimed -1000000 cobblestone was the artifact they were looking for to save their village.
L381[15:45:41] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L382[15:45:42] <MichiBot> You fling a fragrant tan potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. The fluid burns as it splashes onto Amanda who takes 2d​6 => [2,3] acid damage.
L383[15:45:47] <Inari> rip
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L385[15:46:19] <Amanda> %dodge
L386[15:46:20] <MichiBot> Amanda manages to dodge the fragrant tan potion Inari threw with an 18 vs 14. It splashes onto a unicorn that was standing next to you.
L387[15:46:30] <Inari> Poor unicorn
L388[15:46:32] <Inari> how could you
L389[15:46:47] <Amanda> MEh, they're a pest
L390[15:47:36] <Amanda> They breed more rapidly than rabbits
L391[15:50:10] <Kristo​pher38> holy shit
L392[15:50:44] <Kristo​pher38> long time ago someone left a mining ship mining downwards with thrust override and forgot about it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338355995124301824/724998413795721328/unknown.png
L393[15:51:28] <Kristo​pher38> and it mined a very long, over 10km long tunnel with twists and turns
L394[15:54:46] <Kristo​pher38> the entrance is literally 20 meters near our base but we always missed it
L395[15:56:09] <DaCompu​terNerd> huh
L396[15:56:15] <DaCompu​terNerd> has it come through any ore?
L397[15:56:36] <Kristo​pher38> nope
L398[15:56:41] <DaCompu​terNerd> lol
L399[15:57:16] <Kristo​pher38> but it mined so deep that the gravity at the place where it currently is is 0.06g compared to 0.25g at the surface (gravity in SE is based on how far you're from the surface of the planet)
L400[15:58:12] <Kristo​pher38> oh wait the reactor fuel ran out long time ago probably
L401[15:58:22] <Kristo​pher38> it now works thanks to creative mode
L402[16:20:45] <Inari> Oh ffs
L403[16:20:48] <Inari> It's 2020
L404[16:21:00] <Inari> Why do web video players still randomly break when you move around
L405[16:22:14] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> because web
L406[16:22:41] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i found some bangin eurobeat because of meme
L407[16:23:04] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> based AC7 community
L408[16:35:51] <Forec​aster> %splash Inari
L409[16:35:52] <MichiBot> You fling a gloopy cerulium potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari's radiation level goes up by 2 until their next sip of water.
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L412[17:05:22] <Ko​dos> %tonk
L413[17:05:23] <MichiBot> By my throth! Ko​dos! You beat Li​zzy's previous record of 1 hour, 51 minutes and 59 seconds (By 1 hour, 1 minute and 49 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L414[17:05:24] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record is 2 hours, 53 minutes and 49 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.00206 (0.00103 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #9. Need 0.0471 more points to pass DaCompu​terNerd!
L415[17:18:48] <Amanda> %splash Inari with mutable tan potion
L416[17:18:49] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable tan potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari turns into a frog boy for 23 seconds.
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L419[17:34:36] <Inari> rude
L420[17:34:38] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L421[17:34:39] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable naqahdah potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda turns into a amethyst unicorn for 6 moons.
L422[17:34:50] <Inari> Ohno
L423[17:34:59] <Inari> You're a pest now
L424[17:38:17] <Amanda> %counterspell
L425[17:38:18] <MichiBot> Amanda fails to Counterspell the mutable naqahdah potion Inari threw with a 6 vs 14.
L426[17:38:24] <Amanda> D:
L427[17:38:35] <Inari> heh
L428[17:38:53] <Elfi> %splash Amanda with antidote
L429[17:38:53] <MichiBot> You splash Amanda with some antidote. Amanda reverts to their original state before any potions.
L430[17:39:07] * Amanda meows thanks to Elfi, cuddles up around
L431[17:43:13] <Forec​aster> amethyst unicorn sounds a lot more rare than a regular unicorn though
L432[17:44:23] <Inari> Dunno, what are their breeding habbits like?
L433[17:48:19] <DaCompu​terNerd> dwarf fortress has taught me that unicorns are evil
L434[17:48:40] <Inari> Not that water is scary?
L435[17:58:42] <t20kdc> %splash Inari
L436[17:58:42] <MichiBot> You fling a boiling solarium potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. A bard starts playing a lute behind Inari. They don't stop.
L437[17:58:53] <t20kdc> There are many things that are "not scary".
L438[17:58:59] <t20kdc> This is one of them.
L439[17:59:09] <Inari> ?
L440[17:59:52] <t20kdc> If there is one thing I know is always true, it is that MichiBot is extraordinarily evil.
L441[18:05:14] <DaCompu​terNerd> %splash t20kdc
L442[18:05:15] <MichiBot> You fling a soft pearlpeas potion (New!) that splashes onto t20kdc. t20kdc gained one million tonk points.
L443[18:05:42] <t20kdc> And that believing in the heart of the MichiBot will ensure that the right random numbers always fall into your metaphorical deck of cards.
L444[18:08:00] <Skye> %tonkpoints
L445[18:08:01] <MichiBot> Sk​ye: I can't find a record, so you have 0 points.
L446[18:08:05] <Skye> %tonkpoints t20kdc
L447[18:08:05] <MichiBot> Sk​ye: I can't find a record, so you have 0 points.
L448[18:08:36] <Michiyo> (It doesn't actually add points)
L449[18:08:41] <Michiyo> %tonkleaders
L450[18:08:41] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L451[18:08:51] <Skye> %tonk
L452[18:08:53] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Skye, you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 2 hours, 53 minutes and 49 seconds this time. 1 hour, 3 minutes and 30 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 50 minutes and 18 seconds!
L453[18:08:59] <Skye> AAAAAA
L454[18:09:13] <Skye> %points
L455[18:09:14] <MichiBot> Sk​ye: skyem123 has 9223372036854779999 points
L456[18:09:16] <Skye> oh
L457[18:09:17] <Skye> um
L458[18:09:18] <Skye> yeah
L459[18:09:30] <Michiyo> Skye++
L460[18:09:31] <MichiBot> Michiyo: skyem123 now has 9223372036854780000 points
L461[18:09:44] <Skye> t20kdc--
L462[18:09:47] <Skye> wait
L463[18:09:48] <Skye> oh no
L464[18:09:53] <t20kdc> Michiyo++
L465[18:09:53] <MichiBot> t20kdc: Michiyo now has 12 points
L466[18:09:59] <Skye> yeah uh
L467[18:10:00] <Skye> my points
L468[18:10:01] <Skye> uhhh
L469[18:10:04] <Skye> shenanigans
L470[18:10:07] <t20kdc> wait, is my name unsubtractable
L471[18:10:15] <Michiyo> you can't take points
L472[18:10:15] <Skye> t20kdc++
L473[18:10:16] <MichiBot> Skye: t20kdc now has 2 points
L474[18:10:24] <Skye> I once had negative points
L475[18:10:29] <t20kdc> t20kdc--
L476[18:10:30] <Skye> due to integer overflow
L477[18:11:10] <t20kdc> darn, how am I supposed to sacrifice my own points so that the random number generator will magically protect me from potions
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L479[18:18:57] <Inari> Elfi: https://imgur.com/gallery/FBvumVU birbs
L480[18:22:18] <Sk​ye> I finished my drawing! http://tinyurl.com/y8gdrprc
L481[18:24:22] <Ar​iri> Skye++
L482[18:24:23] <MichiBot> Ariri: skyem123 now has 9223372036854780001 points
L483[18:50:10] <Elfi> That's a lotta points
L484[19:02:41] <Inari> %points
L485[19:02:41] <MichiBot> In​ari: Neppy has 5873.0 points
L486[19:03:24] * dequbed has to stock up on popcorn and salt mine equipment for the fallout of the linking chances in macOS Big Sur 11
L487[19:03:34] <dequbed> I can hear the yelling from here and I'm not even using macOS :D
L488[19:05:13] <ThePi​Guy24> %points
L489[19:05:14] <MichiBot> ThePi​Guy24: %points has 0 points
L490[19:05:27] <ThePi​Guy24> hmmm
L491[19:06:02] <ThePi​Guy24> it appears to be interpreting the command as an argument
L492[19:10:51] <Amanda> linking chances? Or changes, dequbed?
L493[19:12:32] <dequbed> Amanda: linking changes, sorry.
L494[19:12:53] <Amanda> follup question: What changes?
L495[19:13:01] <dequbed> Apparently they're dropping application-provided .dylibs and are planning to get by on a system-managed symbol cache instead.
L496[19:13:08] <Amanda> I see
L497[19:13:19] <Amanda> so, static link or bust, now?
L498[19:13:49] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> wh-what
L499[19:13:50] <dequbed> Not quite. You can dlopen() a library you need and if the system cache knows the stuff you want you still get it linked dynamically
L500[19:14:05] <dequbed> Seen here first: https://twitter.com/mycoliza/status/1275305517066227712
L501[19:14:07] <MichiBot> Mon Jun 22 22:51:43 PDT 2020 @mycoliza: CURSED IMAGE CURSED IMAGE <https://t.co/IbyTglQCjR&gt;
L502[19:14:42] <dequbed> sorry, system-application provided. You yourself can still do whatever the fuck you want of course. It *is* a computer
L503[19:15:42] *** Vexaton is now known as Vexatos
L504[19:15:45] <dequbed> I feel like this chance may push a similar one in Linux, especially by the systemd-crowd. Poettering doesn't exactly like dynamic linking.
L505[19:23:43] <Skye> dequbed, cursed idea: dyanmic linking FS
L506[19:24:02] <dequbed> dynamic linking what?
L507[19:24:06] <Skye> um
L508[19:24:45] <Skye> basically if you have no real DL files, could you make an FS that mimics them
L509[19:24:48] <Skye> like
L510[19:25:27] <Forec​aster> %sip
L511[19:25:28] <MichiBot> You drink a goopy redstone potion (New!). Forecaster gains one research point.
L512[19:25:54] <Forec​aster> I just tried Shipbreaker and it's great
L513[19:26:00] <Forec​aster> I can't wait for the full game
L514[19:27:41] <dequbed> Skye: You mean like you dunno, dlopen() a library but your loader first checks into something else as VFS? If yes, that's exactly what Linux' ldcache does. It's a smart idea, which is one of the reason why we've been doing it for the last three decades.\
L515[19:29:21] <Kristo​pher38> @Forecaster where is it available?
L516[19:29:28] <Forec​aster> on steam
L517[19:29:38] <Forec​aster> it's early access
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L520[20:01:44] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/y7r3r7st
L521[20:02:05] <Forec​aster> err, why did it copy is as a png...
L522[20:02:07] <Forec​aster> https://i1.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/flickering.gif?resize=640%2C656&ssl=1
L523[20:24:27] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L524[20:24:27] <MichiBot> I'm sorry CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 2 hours, 53 minutes and 49 seconds this time. 2 hours, 15 minutes and 34 seconds were wasted! Missed by 38 minutes and 14 seconds!
L525[20:31:10] <Forec​aster> ooh
L526[20:31:10] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/ydyuwxe6
L527[20:51:41] <Lizzy> Elfi, https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/hebrgl/beautiful_elephant_hawk_moth_found_in_my_garden_uk/
L528[20:52:22] <Elfi> so FLUFFY
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L530[21:19:56] <t20kdc> dequbed: I hereby propose that someone tell freenode #esoteric that Mac OS X is a new esoteric programming platform
L531[21:20:53] <t20kdc> because, frankly, their approach was getting stupid around the time Metal happened, and now it's gone past that
L532[21:21:04] <t20kdc> ("their" here being Apple's)
L533[21:21:47] <t20kdc> how many times will Apple decide that, you know what, programmers just... haven't gone through sufficient pain yet
L534[21:22:26] <t20kdc> soon they'll have a new universal programming platform that will just literally be befunge or something
L535[21:24:07] <CompanionCube> oh?
L536[21:24:21] <CompanionCube> what makes the recent ARM news esoteric specifically?
L537[21:29:24] <Ar​iri> Just watching it now, and Im most impressed by the SoCs, lol.
L538[21:32:13] <CompanionCube> Ariri: Rosetta 2 is laso interesting, and given that kernel extensions seem to still be a thing I hopefully won't be needing those dibs on the 'continues the war' comement to Izaya.
L539[21:32:46] <Kristo​pher38> %discord
L540[21:32:47] <MichiBot> Kristo​pher38: https://discord.gg/0hVukoQ2KYm2aoXh
L541[21:34:08] <R​en> @payonel I'm having a severe issue that makes it so that I can't actually download anything via pastebin
L542[21:34:08] <R​en> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477911926312140820/725080252681814037/unknown.png
L543[21:34:08] <R​en> something to do with ssl certs apparently
L544[21:34:26] <R​en> this affects both Opencomputers and, with a different error, Computercraft
L545[21:35:02] <Amanda> @Ren update youe java 8 version
L546[21:35:22] <R​en> I'm on Java 1.8.0_251 64bit
L547[21:35:26] <R​en> I was told recently that was the newest
L548[21:35:38] <R​en> I was told recently that was the newest
L549[21:35:38] <R​en> but if it's not I'll do that [Edited]
L550[21:35:57] <Ar​iri> CompanionCube: Rosetta 2 and Universal 2 both interest me, and being able to run mobile apps natively is a huge plus for testing
L551[21:36:00] <Amanda> if not that, then something on your network might be mitm-ing it
L552[21:36:11] <Ar​iri> (Im pretty sure that wasnt already a thing)
L553[21:36:26] <R​en> i can't imagine why that would happen
L554[21:36:39] <R​en> I can access the internet in all other ways just fine
L555[21:36:40] <Amanda> can you load https://pastebin.com in your browser?
L556[21:36:47] <R​en> absolutely I can
L557[21:37:07] <Ar​iri> Ren: As Amanda said, its more likely something buggy with your network, I would first check for something with your DNS or if you have some kind of network filter then try disabling it
L558[21:37:20] <Ar​iri> I know campus/organization filters can give certificate issues
L559[21:37:26] <R​en> this is just on a home network
L560[21:37:35] <R​en> no filter that I'm aware of
L561[21:37:45] <Amanda> is this on a server or in single-player?
L562[21:37:56] <Ar​iri> Are you using a custom DNS server and/or a work/school issues machine?
L563[21:37:56] <R​en> i'm going to test it modside by making a fresh instance with only opencomputers
L564[21:37:56] <R​en> This is singleplayer
L565[21:37:59] <Ar​iri> issued*
L566[21:38:37] <R​en> no to the latter, I don't think so to the former-- wait, I have a theory
L567[21:38:38] <R​en> I'm connected to ZeroTier One, I use that because I can't forward my own ports
L568[21:38:41] <R​en> let me try without that on
L569[21:38:59] <Ar​iri> If you go the pastebin link in your browser that youre trying to download from, do you see the lock icon to indicate you have an ssl connection?
L570[21:39:29] <R​en> where, in the address bar?
L571[21:39:55] <Ar​iri> Likely
L572[21:39:57] <pay​onel> @Ren also make sure youre using our dev buidls, i added a Agent fix for our internet calls
L573[21:40:18] <Amanda> that woulnd't present as an SSL issue would it, payonel?
L574[21:40:19] <R​en> yeah there's a lock, says the connection is secure
L575[21:40:53] <R​en> i didn't know dev builds were an option, are they on curseforge?
L576[21:40:53] <R​en> right now i'm trying without ZT1
L577[21:41:09] <R​en> i didn't know dev builds were an option, are they on curseforge?
L578[21:41:10] <R​en> right now i'm trying without ZT1 as my only change [Edited]
L579[21:41:13] <Ar​iri> CompanionCube: Out of curiosity (and because I like the look of the lab) do you have an idea of the machine cluster in the background's function is? https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/sHr5Tn8YFeQ4xRT/preview
L580[21:41:22] <R​en> if that doesn't work I will try a fresh instance
L581[21:41:28] <R​en> if that doesn't work I will try a fresh instance w/ only OC [Edited]
L582[21:41:34] <Ar​iri> @Ren Dev builds are available here https://ci.cil.li/
L583[21:41:49] <Ar​iri> Also in the MOTD of the channel are other relevant links
L584[21:42:09] <R​en> ah, thanx
L585[21:43:01] <R​en> I've always wanted to be able to use OpenComputers to something resembling its full extent since I like the modularity moreso than compcraft, though no disses on the latter intended
L586[21:43:13] <R​en> and I just love the aesthetic of lots of glowy server racks
L587[21:44:44] <CompanionCube> Ariri: i imagine it's just a generic machine cluster
L588[21:45:37] <Skye> dequbed, wait what is ldcache?
L589[21:46:23] <CompanionCube> it could be aesthetic, it could be a build/testfarm, could be something else. Obviously we can't tell from a sreeenshot.
L590[21:47:24] <CompanionCube> imo 'Universal 2' isn't interesting, it's just a re-run of PPC/Intel universal and multi-arch binaries in general
L591[21:47:51] <Ar​iri> Hmm yeah
L592[21:47:51] <Ar​iri> I thought there mightve been a primary function for something to do with silicon design since they said it was a lab for it, but I dont really know much chip design yet
L593[21:48:08] <R​en> OK, disabling Zerotier One did nothing, I'm going to make a fresh twitch instance next
L594[21:48:25] <CompanionCube> could be FPGAs, perhaps?
L595[21:48:30] <CompanionCube> or running design simulations?
L596[21:49:18] <Ar​iri> FPGA as in field programmable gate array?
L597[21:49:54] <Ar​iri> That would be interesting
L598[21:51:58] <Lizzy> %tonk
L599[21:51:59] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Lizzy, you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 2 hours, 53 minutes and 49 seconds this time. 1 hour, 27 minutes and 31 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 26 minutes and 17 seconds!
L600[21:52:08] <Lizzy> bleh
L601[21:53:26] <R​en> is there a way to power an OC computer with no other mods installed
L602[21:53:37] <R​en> I just realized I have no capacitor or anything for this test
L603[21:53:40] <R​en> I just realized I have no prefilled capacitor or anything for this test [Edited]
L604[21:54:21] <pay​onel> @Ren if testing, use a creative computer case for inf power
L605[21:54:30] <R​en> o
L606[21:54:40] <Forec​aster> Creative case or turn off power in the config, or use carpeted capacitors
L607[21:56:05] <R​en> okay, running it solo also didn't fix the problem
L608[21:56:06] <R​en> I'll try the dev build now
L609[21:58:40] <R​en> yep, same error
L610[21:59:09] <R​en> fresh forge install, opencomputers 1.7.5.212, no other mods installed, zerotier one removed
L611[21:59:29] <R​en> let me check my firewall and my router settings
L612[21:59:36] <R​en> firewall is off completely
L613[22:05:19] <R​en> I am on the newest Java
L614[22:11:11] <R​en> I wonder if it has any connection to my seeming total inability to port forward as of recently
L615[22:14:02] <R​en> good news, I found the issue!
L616[22:14:18] <R​en> Kaspersky was killing the connection attempt
L617[22:14:24] <R​en> as soon as I disabled it, pastebin run worked without even restarting minecraft
L618[22:14:31] <R​en> I will try to find a less nuclear option than completely disabling kaspersky
L619[22:14:36] <R​en> I will try to find a less nuclear option than completely disabling kaspersky, but I otherwise have fixed my issue [Edited]
L620[22:25:04] <dequbed> t20kdc: Let's be real here. Ripping out and replacing the linker under macOS is much less worse than under Linux, given how the ecosystem seems to work from my limited experience.
L621[22:26:16] <t20kdc> dequbed: LD_LIBRARY_PATH exists. Having a dynamic linker, even if the ecosystem of libraries is flawed, is infinitely better than chopping out the functionality altogether.
L622[22:27:06] <dequbed> Skye: Without going to much into linking detail, the ~kernel~~libc~it'scomplicated-provided dynamic loader under linux makes a runable memory image from an ELF file. /etc/ld.so.cache is a cache system used to make that process faster.
L623[22:28:21] <dequbed> t20kdc: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not a thing on macOS. It is not an universal thing in the first place and not required for a linker to function or to be POSIX-compliant. And *additionally* they are *NOT* removing dynamic linking capability alltogether. dyld, now version 3, is still around.
L624[22:29:01] <dequbed> s/dynamic linking/dynamic loading/
L625[22:29:03] <MichiBot> <dequbed> t20kdc: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not a thing on macOS. It is not an universal thing in the first place and not required for a linker to function or to be POSIX-compliant. And *additionally* they are *NOT* removing dynamic loading capability alltogether. dyld, now version 3, is still around.
L626[22:30:16] <t20kdc> dequbed: I was stating in reference to your note about Linux. Anyway. If an application can still bundle libraries and use dynamic loading then there's no problem. It's just that Apple's decisions as of late lead me to assume trouble.
L627[22:31:01] <t20kdc> dequbed: (Again, Metal is insanity. It's nice that Valve basically bailed them out with acquiring and open-sourcing MoltenVK, but it's also something that should never have had to have been done.)
L628[22:31:11] <Forec​aster> oh no
L629[22:31:13] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/yauvoywx
L630[22:31:22] <Forec​aster> my non-existant netflix account is on hold
L631[22:32:07] <Sagh​etti> mugshots.com1@gmail.com
L632[22:32:09] <Sagh​etti> hmm
L633[22:32:14] <Forec​aster> super legit
L634[22:32:21] <Sagh​etti> yep
L635[22:32:27] <Sagh​etti> that's netflix alright
L636[22:32:33] <R​en> The tablet from creative mode doesn't seem to actually be usable
L637[22:32:44] <R​en> it boots (blinking entry symbol on the sprite) but is a black screen internally
L638[22:32:57] <R​en> should I just build my own? it lists the components in the tooltip and nothing seems to be missing
L639[22:33:08] <dequbed> t20kdc: I have no experience with Metal so I can't comment on that. The chance to loading behaviour still allows for dlopen(). It still requires it actually. You are now simply redirected to cached symbols in a system-managed cache instead of loading a standalone dylib from your hard drive.
L640[22:33:13] <Forec​aster> the creative tablet should work
L641[22:33:44] <dequbed> It may mean that the DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH hint works differently with system-provided libraries and it may make application startup faster. I haven't tried yet and I probably won't for quite a while.
L642[22:34:07] <dequbed> s/chance/change/
L643[22:34:09] <MichiBot> <dequbed> t20kdc: I have no experience with Metal so I can't comment on that. The change to loading behaviour still allows for dlopen(). It still requires it actually. You are now simply redirected to cached symbols in a system-managed cache instead of loading a standalone dylib from your hard drive.
L644[22:34:45] <t20kdc> dequbed: It's less a matter of having experience with Metal and more a matter of "they went and made their own proprietary Vulkan-like graphics API when Vulkan exists". It's a big matter of "why???".
L645[22:35:54] <R​en> so, if I connect a rack to a computer, how would I get the functions associated with a board in the rack? Computronics has some custom boards like the Light Board but it doesn't list the functions in the wiki
L646[22:36:08] <R​en> so, if I connect a rack to a computer, or have a server in the same rack, how would I get the functions associated with a board in the rack? Computronics has some custom boards like the Light Board but it doesn't list the functions in the wiki [Edited]
L647[22:36:29] <Amanda> t20kdc: doesn't Metal pre-date Vulkan by a year ot two?
L648[22:36:43] <dequbed> two years according to wikipedia.
L649[22:37:10] <dequbed> So the question to "Why?" answers itself as "because OpenGL is actually bad and Apple went and fixed it in a typical propietary way"
L650[22:37:10] <R​en> oh, more technically phrased question, how can I get the functions associated with a component
L651[22:37:31] <Forec​aster> @Ren open the lua prompt, type `component.<tab>` to cycle through available components
L652[22:37:52] <Forec​aster> then `component.nameofcomponent.<tab>` to cycle through it's fields
L653[22:38:02] <Kristo​pher38> you can cycle those? :o
L654[22:38:06] <Forec​aster> then `component.nameofcomponent.<tab>` to cycle through its fields [Edited]
L655[22:38:08] <Forec​aster> yes
L656[22:38:08] <t20kdc> dequbed: Huh. Ok. TIL. I guess that makes... more sense then. It doesn't explain why it took Valve to fix the mess once Vulkan came around, but it's at least something.
L657[22:38:17] <CompanionCube> Metal existing makes sense
L658[22:38:18] <Kristo​pher38> TIL
L659[22:38:25] <Forec​aster> the lua prompt has tab completion for those
L660[22:38:36] <CompanionCube> what does not make sense is Apple wanting only Metal.
L661[22:38:44] <Kristo​pher38> that's a really useful feature, I've been using OC for half a year and didn't notice
L662[22:38:45] <dequbed> t20kdc: The question rather becomes why did they roll their own instead of using Mantle but again, Apple, propietary.
L663[22:39:00] <Amanda> CompanionCube: it doesn't, until you consider that they just want people to be writing stuff stuck in their garden
L664[22:39:19] <CompanionCube> Amanda: i meant 'make sense from a non-walled-garden POV'
L665[22:39:46] <Amanda> The entire point of Apple in the last decade+ was building up the walled garden
L666[22:39:56] <Amanda> s/was/is/
L667[22:39:56] <MichiBot> <Amanda> The entire point of Apple in the last decade+ is building up the walled garden
L668[22:40:00] <Forec​aster> @Ren some component methods will have documentation built in which you get just by typing for example `component.modem.send` into the lua prompt (no parenthesis because you don't want to call it)
L669[22:40:08] <dequbed> Amanda: And also squeezing as much money from it as possible
L670[22:40:20] * CompanionCube agrees with Amanda
L671[22:40:29] <CompanionCube> but it was more from a 'what should happen' POV.
L672[22:41:00] <dequbed> Or in other words: Apple is a garden with very high walls and a 100-ton press perfectly fitted in those walls. Have fun.
L673[22:42:01] <Amanda> don't be silly, dequbed
L674[22:42:08] <Amanda> the press is only over the developer area
L675[22:42:35] <Amanda> because apple cares ony about their own developers
L676[22:42:47] <dequbed> Well to be fair, Apple likes to charge a bunch for their very propietary shitty hardware
L677[22:43:12] <t20kdc> didn't Apple invent the "literally somehow worse than secure boot" chipset
L678[22:43:26] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> so
L679[22:43:28] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> tbh
L680[22:43:32] <CompanionCube> Amanda: do they even care about their own developers, though?
L681[22:43:42] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i don't test if anything i make works on windows or mac
L682[22:44:07] <Amanda> CompanionCube: I have to assume they do, since I've not heard of their offices having revolving doors for developer interviews and exits
L683[22:44:08] <CompanionCube> their public behaviour would suggest otherwise
L684[22:44:09] <Kristo​pher38> apple has plenty of bad hardware designs
L685[22:44:09] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> if it works on windows, it's amazing
L686[22:44:18] <CompanionCube> or do you mean their own employees
L687[22:44:25] <CompanionCube> vs the devs for their platform
L688[22:44:28] <Amanda> their own employees
L689[22:44:31] <CompanionCube> ah
L690[22:44:39] <t20kdc> I try to get my stuff to work on Windows and Mac via asking someone to test, but if Mac support becomes infeasible due to them pulling stupid nonsense, then there's just plain nothing I can do
L691[22:45:10] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i genuinely don't know if luacomp works in windows
L692[22:45:11] <Skye> what firmware will apple uise for ARM
L693[22:45:13] <Ar​iri> They seemed to emphasize on the easiness of transitions between platforms/software, which I suppose can be interpreted both ways
L694[22:45:14] * CompanionCube can't remembet the specifics of the T2 chip being worse than secure boot.
L695[22:45:20] <Skye> OpenFirmware, or EFI?
L696[22:45:28] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> it should? but w/e
L697[22:45:28] <CompanionCube> Skye: lol openfirmware ain't happening
L698[22:45:31] <t20kdc> CompanionCube: something about being unable to access the hard disk from ubuntu on pain of forced system crash, IIRC
L699[22:45:51] <CompanionCube> the most likely options are iboot or ARM UEFI imo
L700[22:45:59] <CompanionCube> a third option's possible but unlikely.
L701[22:46:07] <Amanda> probably whatever their iphones use
L702[22:46:20] <CompanionCube> Amanda: that would be iboot, yes
L703[22:46:43] <Skye> thing is
L704[22:46:48] <Skye> how locked down will apple make their boot
L705[22:46:53] <dequbed> Yes.
L706[22:46:57] <Ar​iri> Tbh the only Apple product I have no real desire to ever own, despite having gotten a free Mac Mini from a friends work for dev purposes (which I dont even use) is a Mac, it seems to lack a lot of the typical polish
L707[22:47:14] <CompanionCube> Skye: well, so far we know kernel extensions are still A Thing
L708[22:47:17] <Ar​iri> Skye: Considering all the 'privacy' and 'secure enclave
L709[22:47:22] <Ar​iri> stuff, a lot
L710[22:47:53] <Ar​iri> With the new SoC on Macs, theyll probably bring most of that over, so theyll want to lock it down pretty heavy, or have those features disablable
L711[22:48:07] <Ar​iri> (disableable? able to be disabled?)
L712[22:48:26] <CompanionCube> lol the page needs KS
L713[22:48:29] <CompanionCube> *JS
L714[22:48:33] <CompanionCube> it's static content lol
L715[22:48:42] <CompanionCube> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/installing_a_custom_kernel_extension
L716[22:49:02] <CompanionCube> can't be iOS-tier lockdown if this exists, but we'll have to learn more.
L717[22:50:19] <Ar​iri> Actually I just remembered, bio auth already exists, so Macs already have something like a Secure Enclave, and along with that page CC just sent, its possible it may not be much more locked than it already is
L718[22:50:22] <CompanionCube> I believe they have a desire to ditch this eventually, but their approach is incrementally replacing kernels APIs with new ones.
L719[22:51:41] <Ar​iri> The only real alluring factor of the Mac to me is that raw performance on one chip, barring the unreleased benchmarks. 3 simulataneous 4K streams with real-time editing sounds pretty nice, but maybe thats because Ive never had a desktop with a dedicated GPU before
L720[22:53:32] <Ar​iri> %choose finish that AMV that you've been putting off or work on some MochiBot stuff
L721[22:53:34] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: The sands of time whisper to me... they're saying "work on some MochiBot stuff".
L722[22:53:50] <Ar​iri> Thanks talking hourglass
L723[22:58:03] <Amanda> Remember, the hourglass will not threaten to stab you, and, in fact, can not speek
L724[22:58:25] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i ate the hourglass
L725[22:58:38] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> it was very a time consuming task
L726[22:58:53] <Amanda> %stab @AdorableCatgirl
L727[22:58:54] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is stabbing @AdorableCatgirl with alot for 1d4 => 3 damage! Alot was shiny enough to be claimed by a dragon.
L728[22:59:28] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> it's crows
L729[22:59:36] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> crows steal the shiny things
L730[22:59:39] <CompanionCube> %inv add spinning pinwheel
L731[22:59:41] * MichiBot summons 'spinning pinwheel' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L732[22:59:44] <Amanda> and dragons hoard shiny things
L733[22:59:54] <Ar​iri> And donkeys
L734[22:59:59] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> %imv add spinning beachball of death
L735[23:00:03] <Ar​iri> they hoard donkeys
L736[23:00:12] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> fuck
L737[23:00:15] <Ar​iri> AC: imv -> inv
L738[23:00:19] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> forgot the cooldown
L739[23:00:23] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oh
L740[23:00:29] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> %inv add spinning beachball of death
L741[23:00:40] ⇦ Quits: Inari (~Pinkishu@p508ef10b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)
L742[23:00:43] <Ar​iri> It seems theres both
L743[23:03:18] <Amanda> %choose laptop takes a nap?
L744[23:03:19] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Oh yes, definitely!
L745[23:03:40] * Amanda snugs up around Elfi, loads up her new shiny and starts some halucinating
L746[23:04:46] <Ar​iri> gives Amanda a shiny ball with strange engravings to toy with in the meantime
L747[23:12:50] <Ar​iri> Is it just me or is GitHub's option to use the security key instead of only requiring a password for major account changes something that should be more widespread
L748[23:29:01] <CompanionCube> speaking of GitHub, apparently they refreshes the UI
L749[23:29:36] <CompanionCube> I guess it's not a bad referesh, the most awkward thing is the asymentry between the repo and top bar.
L750[23:30:22] <CompanionCube> smol circular profile is probably annoying for other people but not me
L751[23:43:33] <Ar​iri> this is a cool feature, instant immediate ping, banner saying urgent notif from Discord, and this message: https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/Y2ZqYyebw8XQmfA/preview
L752[23:43:40] <Kristo​pher38> >not a bad refresh
L753[23:43:55] <Kristo​pher38> they added border-radius on everything 🤢
L754[23:44:03] <CompanionCube> I've seen worse
L755[23:44:12] <CompanionCube> Like the new youtube earlier this month. Or New Reddit.
L756[23:44:28] <Izaya> aiming to blend with Apple stuff, no doubt
L757[23:44:42] <CompanionCube> Izaya: ~roundrect ALL THE THINGS~
L758[23:45:03] <CompanionCube> your thoughts?
L759[23:45:24] <Izaya> about?
L760[23:45:26] <Michiyo> @Ariri yep I got that once upon a time too, scares the shit out of me that other non helpful people can do the same thing though lol
L761[23:45:33] <Ar​iri> looks at Discord and slack UI
L762[23:45:50] <CompanionCube> the mediocre-at-best UI refresh?
L763[23:46:04] <Izaya> looks just as bad as always
L764[23:46:18] <Izaya> remember, I don't use it, I don't remember what it's meant to look like
L765[23:46:34] <Ar​iri> Michiyo: I know right, and it was instant. As soon as I hit git push it blared at me
L766[23:46:54] <Michiyo> yep.
L767[23:47:01] <CompanionCube> hah
L768[23:47:02] <Ar​iri> Speaking of which, that prompts me to the do the Git guide immediately, because I might not have noticed that
L769[23:47:07] <CompanionCube> surprisingly enough
L770[23:47:15] <CompanionCube> my dark theme of choice is basicallu intact, woo
L771[23:47:51] <Ar​iri> stuffs Github into an electron shell and changes its css
L772[23:48:15] <CompanionCube> - the developers of the github 'desktop' app, probably
L773[23:49:53] <lesbian​linguine> :D worked out how to get a bit more quality out of Nadeshicodec with VRAM
L774[23:50:18] <lesbian​linguine> tbh the new github UI isn't baaad, but i think it flows less nicely
L775[23:51:01] <lesbian​linguine> it looks more apple-y and fancy, sure, but idk it just doesn't feel natural enough
L776[23:51:24] <CompanionCube> hence why it's not bad, just mediocre
L777[23:51:34] <lesbian​linguine> yeah
L778[23:51:46] <lesbian​linguine> unlike the horror that is new reddit
L779[23:52:00] <CompanionCube> or the youtube homepage
L780[23:52:00] <Ar​iri> Is it bad that I cant tell the difference?
L781[23:52:02] <R​en> any recommendations for an OC-based redstone control program
L782[23:52:04] <Izaya> friendly reminder that both github and reddit have RSS feeds
L783[23:52:16] <Ar​iri> Izaya: For what?
L784[23:52:52] <Izaya> reddit lets you get the entire content of a given subreddit, though the format leaves an amount to be desired
L785[23:52:58] <Ar​iri> @Ren Write one of your own to do customizable logic. Im working on one that will use a lot of component and redstone conditions
L786[23:53:05] <Izaya> github you can subscribe to your own private feed or various parts of a project
L787[23:53:14] <CompanionCube> found on reddit: 'It's a really bad sign when your new design is mistaken for a CSS bug LUL.'
L788[23:54:07] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/Dnracef.png
L789[23:54:46] ⇦ Quits: MajGenRelativity (~MajGenRel@c-73-123-203-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving)
L790[23:54:47] <Ar​iri> Izaya: Where can I find this? I just skimmed through settings and dont see it
L791[23:54:53] <CompanionCube> ...linux mint?
L792[23:54:55] <Ar​iri> Izaya: Heh, Helltaker
L793[23:55:07] <Izaya> CompanionCube: I support a fair few machines with it
L794[23:55:28] <Izaya> Ariri: just slap .rss after the subreddit
L795[23:55:46] <Ar​iri> What about for Github?
L796[23:55:52] <Ar​iri> Might put it on my mirror
L797[23:56:02] <Izaya> Private feed is on your dashboard at the bottom IIRC
L798[23:56:24] <Ar​iri> Ah found it, thanks
L799[23:56:32] <Izaya> Other stuff, I know there's a feed for releases, as User/Project/releases.atom
L800[23:58:30] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/oWvhnWx.png
L801[23:58:38] <Izaya> > when most of the front page is this
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