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L2[00:00:55] <Klea​dron> the lua mods would have the ultimate backwards and forwards compatibility
L3[00:04:17] <Amanda> not really.
L4[00:06:42] <asie> http://git.asie.pl/asie-minecraft/minetestbridge
L5[00:07:44] <immibis> don't Bukkit mods already have backwards and forwards compatibility, if they only use Bukkit stuff?
L6[00:07:52] <asie> sort of
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L9[00:08:03] <AmandaC> hey, Comcast, can you not?
L10[00:08:08] *** AmandaC is now known as Amanda
L11[00:09:07] <Forec​aster> Comcast does not a lot of things all the time from what I've heard
L12[00:09:18] <Sagh​etti> can relate
L13[00:09:25] <Sagh​etti> comcast sucks really bad
L14[00:09:39] <Amanda> connection's been spotty since this afternoon
L15[00:14:54] <hyphe​rionsa> Seems to worldwide as we have the same issues in south africa since yesterday already
L16[00:17:22] <Amanda> It's them damn sea-foxes, chewing on the undersea cables
L17[00:25:22] <Klea​dron> time to pour more lava into the ocean
L18[00:27:37] <t20kdc> Amanda: ...sea-foxes?
L19[00:28:51] <t20kdc> ...are those... even a thing? I'm pretty sure they are not a thing.
L20[00:29:33] <t20kdc> 'a thing' here meant in the sense of 'existing'.
L21[00:32:40] <Amanda> t20kdc: it has to be, since foxes are clearly to blame for all the world's problems
L22[00:33:39] <Amanda> ... well that's unfortunate.
L23[00:34:29] <Amanda> opentablet's middle-button doesn't work under the MC Eternal pack, and I have zero idea why
L24[00:35:46] <Amanda> wait...
L25[00:36:11] <Amanda> I...d on't think I understand how SidedProxy works
L26[00:36:27] <Amanda> Either that, or this is serisouly fuckered: [19:35:34] [Netty Server IO #1/INFO] [opentablets/CLIENT]: Collecting data...
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L28[00:57:08] <asie> Amanda: SidedProxy just means the dedicated server gets the server variant instantiated
L29[00:57:13] <asie> and the client gets the client variant instantiated
L30[00:57:23] <asie> it doesn't magically route methods based on thread
L31[00:57:34] <asie> it's a way to avoid crashes due to missing client or (very rarely) dedicated server classes
L32[01:02:49] <Amanda> I see. so there's really not much point to having a seperate logger for client and server thorugh that, then.
L33[01:12:43] <Amanda> ...what
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L35[01:32:03] <Ar​iri> If I drag-drop a file onto a shortcut/batch file, can I get it's file path?
L36[01:33:25] <Ocawes​ome101> >batch
L37[01:34:10] <Ocawes​ome101> why, in the year two thousand twenty, do anyone except 83920469-year-old people use batch scripts
L38[01:35:22] <Klea​dron> because they are extremely easy to create and use
L39[01:35:46] <Michiyo> TIL I'm 83920469 years old
L40[01:35:59] <Ocawes​ome101> I suppose it's kind of the Windows alternative to shell scripts maybe ish?
L41[01:36:34] <Klea​dron> it is quite literally a shell script is it not
L42[01:36:47] <Klea​dron> wait
L43[01:36:58] <Klea​dron> yeah?
L44[01:37:34] <Kristo​pher38> the new cool thing is powershell
L45[01:37:57] <Klea​dron> powershell is so excruciatingly slow
L46[01:39:27] <Ocawes​ome101> tmabi
L47[01:39:48] <Ocawes​ome101> on my DESKTOP (fast SSD) it took a couple seconds to launch
L48[01:44:18] <ThePi​Guy24> is there any way to remove the colour from a cable?
L49[01:44:53] <Amanda> try combining it with a bucket of water maybe? That's how you do it for AE at least.
L50[01:45:21] <hyphe​rionsa> And how to cover up the OC cable in a wall?
L51[01:46:17] <Amanda> Depends on the version, I don't think it was added back in 1.12 yet
L52[01:46:28] <ThePi​Guy24> combining with water removes colour, but not NBT, placing and breaking again removes the NBT though
L53[01:50:39] <murlocking> If i use 'robot.swing()' where does the block goes? First empty slot ?
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L55[01:51:45] <Amanda> I think it defaults to the currently selected slot
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L61[02:02:05] <Kristo​pher38> murlocking: iirc first slot that it fits to, starting from the selected one
L62[02:03:16] <Kristo​pher38> so if the selected slot is 4, it's gonna first check slot 4, next slot 5, and so on, up to the last slot, and then wrap around and start checking slot 1, 2 and 3, and if it didn't find any slot, the block just drops in the world
L63[02:06:23] <Amanda> okay. I have no idea why this is dying, but it hasto be a bug in my mod, somehow.
L64[02:06:36] <Amanda> I can't use my mi-- no... no way
L65[02:06:50] <Amanda> fuck, I already closed MC
L66[02:08:28] <Amanda> msh, probablem for future-amnda
L67[02:08:46] * Amanda snugs up around Elfi, loads up some stories to read
L68[02:19:54] <hyphe​rionsa> Um should this setting be like this in the config? ```disablePersistence=false```
L69[02:20:41] <hyphe​rionsa> Ugh nevermind, maybe I should read the full thing
L70[02:23:43] <Kristo​pher38> disable = false, that means the persistence is enabled
L71[02:25:17] <hyphe​rionsa> I saw now after reading the message again. Is there a way to increase logging by OC? I am still trying to figure out why my PC's are crashing with no errors
L72[02:44:13] <murlocking> @Kristopher thank you
L73[02:45:16] <Kristo​pher38> I wrote an inventory tracking script for a robot if you're interested :P
L74[02:46:46] <Kristo​pher38> As in, it tracks all inventory changes in the background and keeps a representation of the inventory as a table
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L77[03:35:28] <hyphe​rionsa> Okay so turns out the computer persistence issue is caused by the Ender IO oc conduit causing components to disconnect. So back to having cables running all over the walls 😩
L78[03:41:58] <Amanda> I've never had issues like that
L79[03:42:23] <Amanda> At least not with the OC conduits
L80[03:42:59] <Amanda> There is (was?) Similar bugs in the OC cables I contributed to YNot that was due to nbt not being saved
L81[03:48:32] <hyphe​rionsa> Now why do I have them? My setup is like this, my server in underground in a server room. The screen and keyboard is above ground connected with a OC conduit. When I connect them like this, either the screen freezes up, or the computer shuts down. When I use the exact same setup, but replace the OC conduit with OC Cable, the computer functions as normal... What versions are you using, cause I had a build like this before that worked perfectly,
L82[03:48:32] <hyphe​rionsa> but that was a while ago and I can't remember how many times I upgraded the mods in that time frame
L83[03:55:56] <hyphe​rionsa> Now why do I have them? My setup is like this, my server is underground in a server room. The screen and keyboard is above ground connected with a OC conduit. When I connect them like this, either the screen freezes up, or the computer shuts down. When I use the exact same setup, but replace the OC conduit with OC Cable, the computer functions as normal... What versions are you using, cause I had a build like this before that worked perfectly,
L84[03:55:56] <hyphe​rionsa> but that was a while ago and I can't remember how many times I upgraded the mods in that time frame [Edited]
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L86[04:16:53] <Amanda> I'm on whatever version of enderio is on the eternal pack
L87[04:19:49] <hyphe​rionsa> And you have the latest eternal pack?
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L90[04:25:31] <hyphe​rionsa> And which oc version you using?
L91[04:33:51] <Amanda> Latest from the CI server
L92[04:34:48] <Amanda> Rather,I was. Now I'm using a version I've compiled myself with a patch I've got in PR for now
L93[04:34:56] <hyphe​rionsa> I will try. I'm guessing something is wrong with my setup
L94[04:42:30] <Amanda> %tell Inari inari~ you can't just download brains from 2020 into navy sailors who are braindead and have them serve in your space force to subjugate a planet, they'll need some time to acclimate to the fact 28000 years have passed!
L95[04:42:30] <MichiBot> Amanda: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L96[04:43:04] * Amanda tucks in around Elfi, zzzmews
L97[04:44:40] <Amanda> %tell Inari also make sure you provide proper medical papers for the antiviral ameobea you're having them wear on off duty time to meet their family!
L98[04:44:40] <MichiBot> Amanda: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L99[04:45:09] <Amanda> Right, time to sleep. Night needs
L100[04:45:13] <Amanda> Nerds*
L101[04:47:08] <Ocawes​ome101> command piping is difficult D:
L102[04:53:23] <Klea​dron> what's the basic concept of command piping? i'm curious
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L104[04:57:50] <Ocawes​ome101> @Kleadron first, what OS are you currently using?
L105[04:57:53] <Ocawes​ome101> rip izaya
L106[05:00:06] <Ocawes​ome101> if you're on Linux or macOS it'll be easier to demonstrate
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L108[05:11:39] <Klea​dron> I use Windows 7 @Ocawesome101
L109[05:11:55] <Ocawes​ome101> ah ok
L110[05:12:01] <Ocawes​ome101> so
L111[05:12:10] <Ocawes​ome101> on *NIX systems such as Linux
L112[05:12:13] <Ocawes​ome101> in most shells
L113[05:12:29] <Ocawes​ome101> one can run `command | command2 | command3` etc
L114[05:12:40] <Ocawes​ome101> and the output of each command will be the input of the next
L115[05:12:58] <Klea​dron> interesting
L116[05:13:08] <Ocawes​ome101> it's really really useful
L117[05:13:33] <Izaya> first command gets io.input() from the terminal
L118[05:13:37] <Ocawes​ome101> bash also has and (&&) and or (||)
L119[05:13:42] <Izaya> last one's io.output() goes to the terminal
L120[05:13:48] <Ocawes​ome101> basically yes
L121[05:13:51] <Izaya> connect the ones in between in a chain
L122[05:14:05] <Ocawes​ome101> that's what I'm tryna to but it hard
L123[05:14:11] <Ocawes​ome101> *do
L124[05:14:26] <Izaya> do you have pipe primitives to wrap with buffers?
L125[05:14:42] <Ocawes​ome101> uhh
L126[05:15:27] <Ocawes​ome101> I have a `stream` API which lets me make a stream, returning an "input" table (one process' stdio) and an "output" table (the inverse of the "input" table). both act on the same buffer.
L127[05:16:48] <Izaya> hm
L128[05:16:52] <Izaya> then it should just be glue
L129[05:17:21] <Ocawes​ome101> this is what I'm currently doing
L130[05:17:30] <Ocawes​ome101> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/eguluhumiw
L131[05:17:44] <Ocawes​ome101> it doesn't redirect back to the terminal properly though
L132[05:18:41] <Izaya> at a guess, you may not be hitting the last one
L133[05:19:01] <Izaya> because you're doing it for i = 1, #cmds, 2
L134[05:19:01] <Ocawes​ome101> eh?
L135[05:19:09] <Ocawes​ome101> oh
L136[05:19:11] <Ocawes​ome101> true
L137[05:19:18] <Ocawes​ome101> even `ls | echo` doesn't work
L138[05:19:26] <Izaya> I'd say try writing it so you have a last output or similar
L139[05:19:31] <Izaya> and iterate over each process
L140[05:19:37] <Ocawes​ome101> oh ok
L141[05:19:46] <Ocawes​ome101> will try, thank you :)
L142[05:20:20] <Klea​dron> i suspect the commands or programs need to be made a certain way in order to support piping?
L143[05:20:34] <Ocawes​ome101> no actually
L144[05:20:44] <Ocawes​ome101> they just read and write to stdio
L145[05:21:02] <Klea​dron> hm
L146[05:21:30] <Ocawes​ome101> it doesn't get passed as program arguments though
L147[05:21:44] <Ocawes​ome101> so what you actually have to do is `ls | cat`
L148[05:23:05] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L149[05:23:06] <MichiBot> By my throth! Compan​ionCube! You beat Squi​dDev's previous record of <0 (By 8 hours, 35 minutes and 27 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L150[05:23:07] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 8 hours, 35 minutes and 27 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00859 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L151[05:23:20] <CompanionCube> seriously?
L152[05:23:23] <Klea​dron> whatever the hell does "By my throth!" mean
L153[05:23:41] <Ocawes​ome101> exactly what it says
L154[05:23:53] <Klea​dron> wtf is michibot's throth
L155[05:24:05] <CompanionCube> M
L156[05:24:10] <Ocawes​ome101> it's her throth
L157[05:24:11] <Ocawes​ome101> duh
L158[05:24:29] <CompanionCube> I am now 0.05 tonkpoints ahead, that's enough
L159[05:24:38] <Klea​dron> oh i was thinking of froth
L160[05:24:57] <CompanionCube> and a gooc chunk of that lead is without actually tonking ouf
L161[05:25:00] <Ocawes​ome101> :P{
L162[05:25:23] <CompanionCube> i wonder how will get *those* points now
L163[05:44:41] <Klea​dron> ask excruciatingly nicely
L164[05:46:50] <Klea​dron> i should come up with a different name for my window system
L165[05:46:55] <Klea​dron> i think i might name it WinBob
L166[05:47:21] <Klea​dron> Bob in reference to the face you might see around in it
L167[05:48:16] <Klea​dron> i am not putting OS in it because firstly it isn't an OS and secondly that's been overdone
L168[06:30:41] <Forec​aster> %sip
L169[06:30:41] <MichiBot> You drink a porous pink potion (New!). Forec​aster zones out for 5 minutes.
L170[06:54:09] <ThePi​Guy24> i do that anyway
L171[06:59:53] <CompanionCube> is the face the MS Bob face?
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L173[08:01:13] <Klea​dron> no but that's a great opportunity for a reference
L174[08:01:35] <Klea​dron> ooh
L175[08:01:39] <Klea​dron> i could call it window man
L176[08:01:43] <Klea​dron> the window manager
L177[08:02:01] <Klea​dron> and window man gets upset at you when you break his shit
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L179[08:39:36] <Forec​aster> weird
L180[08:40:10] <Forec​aster> transposer.getStackInSlot(side, slot) returns nil for an empty slot
L181[08:41:01] <Forec​aster> transposer.getAllStacks(side) returns a "minecraft:air" stack for empty slots
L182[08:41:07] <Forec​aster> inconsistant :|
L183[08:41:15] <Sagh​etti> transposers are cool, i should check them out
L184[08:46:17] <Forec​aster> hm, I guess it had to return something to make the table behave
L185[09:10:25] <Forec​aster> ...wut
L186[09:10:37] <Forec​aster> in a single slot storage drawer the drawer slot is not slot 1
L187[09:10:49] <Forec​aster> there's an empty slot there for some reason
L188[09:20:33] <Izaya> auto-insertion purposes
L189[09:20:49] <Izaya> if you move items into there it gets distributed to the right spot
L190[09:21:00] <Forec​aster> ah
L191[09:21:13] <Izaya> most useful with drawer controllers
L192[09:23:44] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/y8rrusfp
L193[09:23:53] <Sagh​etti> progress
L194[09:25:32] <Sagh​etti> ive been trying to get controls working, but docs are few and far between
L195[09:26:02] <Sagh​etti> fsr the keyPress and keyUnpress events don't ever get called
L196[09:26:21] <Forec​aster> too much pressure
L197[09:26:25] <Sagh​etti> and the scroll wheel can only track scrolling up and down
L198[09:26:33] <Sagh​etti> too much pressure is right
L199[09:26:41] <ThePi​Guy24> nice
L200[09:26:51] <Sagh​etti> i need to get this done for a YT video
L201[09:27:08] <Sagh​etti> also it renders slow AF because every pixel is drawn individually
L202[09:27:27] <Sagh​etti> drawing the pixels to the Graphics object takes longer than actually 3d rendering the frame
L203[09:28:18] <Sagh​etti> and the Graphics.drawARGB function is perfect, but i can't get it working
L204[09:28:42] <Sagh​etti> it's supposed to take in an array of 24-bit color values and write them to the display
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L206[09:29:20] <Sagh​etti> but it just draws nothing
L207[09:29:30] <Sagh​etti> once again, this is mostly due to the lack of docs
L208[09:30:14] <Sagh​etti> and me needing to assume what some of the parameters mean
L209[09:30:41] <Sagh​etti> especially the "scanLength" and "offset" values
L210[09:32:56] <Sagh​etti> they appeared to be for the start and size of the array, but even with the correct values (to the best of my knowledge), it just drew nothing
L211[09:33:12] <Sagh​etti> also it runs at 1FPS
L212[09:33:53] <Izaya> and yet it ~breathes~ runs
L213[09:34:04] <Sagh​etti> it does
L214[09:34:12] <Sagh​etti> but not good enough
L215[09:34:49] <Sagh​etti> like that's not good enough for a yt video
L216[09:35:09] <Sagh​etti> it needs to be playable, and not just run
L217[09:35:09] <Izaya> just run it as a timelapse
L218[09:35:13] <ThePi​Guy24> did they say it needs to run well :p
L219[09:35:25] <Sagh​etti> yeah he asked if it was going to improve
L220[09:35:26] <Izaya> 30x speed
L221[09:35:55] <Sagh​etti> i said yes, if i can optimize the drawing routines
L222[09:36:33] <Sagh​etti> and running at timelapse is pretty much cheating
L223[09:36:44] <Sagh​etti> also this needs to run on less powerful hardware
L224[09:37:16] <Izaya> minecraft on a turing machine
L225[09:37:26] <Sagh​etti> the simulator is ~1.2GHZ, while my target device is 624MHZA
L226[09:37:30] <Sagh​etti> MHz*
L227[09:38:07] <ThePi​Guy24> so basically 0.5FPS currently
L228[09:38:18] <Sagh​etti> yeah I guess
L229[09:38:41] <Sagh​etti> well the timer calls the update function every 1000ms
L230[09:38:59] <Sagh​etti> any faster and the device cant keep up and hangs
L231[09:39:06] <Sagh​etti> a while true loop doesn't work
L232[09:39:17] <Sagh​etti> just hangs and crashes
L233[09:39:35] <Sagh​etti> so there's no real game loop
L234[09:40:25] <Sagh​etti> bigger problem: i can't find dev tools for that version
L235[09:40:33] <Sagh​etti> BBOS 5.0
L236[09:40:42] <Sagh​etti> only one i can find is 7.1
L237[09:40:55] <Sagh​etti> and trust me, ive searched hard
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L239[09:43:33] <Sagh​etti> the update site http://www.blackberry.com/developers/jar/win/java contains all the versions of the software
L240[09:43:39] <Sagh​etti> but it's dead
L241[09:43:56] <Izaya> archive.org?
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L243[09:49:09] <Sagh​etti> archive.org only goes back to 2013 for the blackberry downloads
L244[09:49:19] <Sagh​etti> just two years too late
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L246[09:49:37] <Sagh​etti> nvm, four
L247[09:49:43] <Sagh​etti> but still
L248[09:54:08] <CompanionCube> Saghetti: maybe i could ask some others Elsewhere(tm)?
L249[09:57:14] <Sagh​etti> that would be great
L250[09:58:10] <Sagh​etti> hold on
L251[09:58:13] <Sagh​etti> https://swdownloads.blackberry.com/Downloads/contactFormPreload.do?code=DC727151E5D55DDE1E950767CF861CA5&dl=0A360EA0B8874AF27D7A9098C0AA86C3&check1=A#
L252[09:58:17] <Sagh​etti> this could be it
L253[09:58:24] <Sagh​etti> seems a bit too new though
L254[09:58:31] <Sagh​etti> might still have support
L255[09:59:04] <Sagh​etti> but hold on
L256[09:59:06] <Sagh​etti> https://web.archive.org/web/20100411062315/http://na.blackberry.com/eng/developers/javaappdev/javasdk5.jsp
L257[09:59:13] <Sagh​etti> now THIS is the actual download
L258[09:59:19] <Sagh​etti> for 5.0
L259[09:59:29] <Sagh​etti> but the actual download link is borked
L260[09:59:41] <Sagh​etti> it's right there, it's the correct version
L261[09:59:58] <Sagh​etti> but alas, broken links
L262[10:00:06] <Sagh​etti> slams head against wall
L263[10:02:00] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/y93hmnd9
L264[10:02:07] <CompanionCube> http://swdownloads.blackberry.com/Downloads/contactFormPreload.do?code=DC727151E5D55DDE1E950767CF861CA5&dl=64708E60AB0D8A0A60409FE3DF90EF9B&check1=A# i am currentlt downloading a 5.0 .exe
L265[10:02:19] <Sagh​etti> the bane of my existence
L266[10:02:21] <Sagh​etti> wait WHAT
L267[10:02:43] <Sagh​etti> HOW
L268[10:02:55] <Sagh​etti> IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS FOR YEARS
L269[10:03:34] <CompanionCube> i googled for 'blackberry java sdk 5' and one of the resulrs was 'previous versions', the title was 7.0 but it was a list of many versions
L270[10:05:17] <Sagh​etti> is this because im using duckduckgo?
L271[10:05:28] <Sagh​etti> i can literally only find 7.1
L272[10:05:45] <Forec​aster> I said before, DDG is worse at searching than google :P
L273[10:05:59] <Forec​aster> it doesn't have the same results
L274[10:06:09] <CompanionCube> https://developer.blackberry.com/bbos/java/download/previousjdeversions/
L275[10:07:44] <Sagh​etti> holy shit
L276[10:07:51] <Sagh​etti> this is all I have ever wanted and more
L277[10:07:58] <Sagh​etti> thank you SO much
L278[10:09:12] <Sagh​etti> i will archive all of these tomorrow
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L280[10:12:05] <Sagh​etti> %hug CompanionCube
L281[10:12:20] <Sagh​etti> dang it
L282[10:12:51] <Forec​aster> there is only pet
L283[10:13:13] * CompanionCube accepts hug from Saghetti
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L286[10:36:53] <Izaya> ~w math
L287[10:36:53] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-math
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L289[11:39:50] <Forec​aster> oh... right
L290[11:39:59] <Forec​aster> touch event don't work for unbound screens...
L291[11:40:00] <Forec​aster> hm
L292[11:41:35] <Inari> @Forecaster bind them then? :3
L293[11:42:02] <Forec​aster> I'm using one gpu and switch screens to update them
L294[11:42:27] <Forec​aster> until now I forgot that meant that touch events wouldn't work on those screens
L295[11:42:28] <Inari> Amanda: 🤔
L296[11:43:11] <Forec​aster> I could put in a pile of gpus I guess...
L297[11:44:22] <Forec​aster> or I can just put in a central screen to allow claiming inputs
L298[11:44:37] <Forec​aster> while leaving the status screens above the inputs/outputs
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L300[11:54:08] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> ugh
L301[12:09:12] <Forec​aster> ?
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L303[12:27:48] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krW7CiVv3uw
L304[12:27:48] <MichiBot> [V2] Corona race meme (covid-19 growth by country) | length: 48s | Likes: 8,215 Dislikes: 165 Views: 159,379 | by Kori | Published On 7/4/2020
L305[13:06:32] <hyphe​rionsa> Um how the hell does a computer run out of memory running just openos with (no custom script) while it has the maximum ram it can take
L306[13:07:22] <Inari> By using more ram than it has
L307[13:08:23] <hyphe​rionsa> But is that normal? I mean the computer was in idle on the openos command line? The one computer that I had running a script was fine, but two others that were just running openos shut down with Out of memory erros
L308[13:08:28] <hyphe​rionsa> But is that normal? I mean the computer was in idle on the openos command line? The one computer that I had running a script was fine, but two others that were just running openos shut down with Out of memory errors [Edited]
L309[13:13:13] <Forec​aster> is it consistant?
L310[13:14:24] <B​ob> never ran out of meme here, altough i have acces to the higher tiers of mem sticks
L311[13:14:53] <hyphe​rionsa> First time ever this happened. I am using 1.7.5.199. I would have expected the pc running the script to be out of memory and not the idling ones. And as with the persistence, no errors on the game log
L312[13:15:15] <hyphe​rionsa> > never ran out of meme here, altough i have acces to the higher tiers of mem sticks
L313[13:15:15] <hyphe​rionsa> @Bob The two that shutdown are servers with 4x Tier 3.5 ram sticks
L314[13:15:37] <B​ob> okay so there's no way that happens
L315[13:15:38] <Forec​aster> were they installed before updating the mod perhaps?
L316[13:15:52] <Forec​aster> if so you should re-install OpenOS on them
L317[13:15:58] <hyphe​rionsa> One of them yes. The other one was build after upgrading
L318[13:17:13] <hyphe​rionsa> And for some reason the only way I can use OC conduits with OC is by placing a drone with chunkloader upgrade on top or next to my server. Then they seem to stay one. If I use the OC Cable, I don't have to do that
L319[13:18:06] <hyphe​rionsa> And for some reason the only way I can use OC conduits with OC is by placing a drone with chunkloader upgrade on top or next to my server. Then they seem to stay on. If I use the OC Cable, I don't have to do that [Edited]
L320[13:19:08] <B​ob> i never had problems with OC EIO conduits or OC cables
L321[13:19:18] <B​ob> that's just a weird issue
L322[13:21:05] <hyphe​rionsa> > that's just a weird issue
L323[13:21:05] <hyphe​rionsa> @Bob You telling me. Apparently I'm the only one with that issue and I just can't get it fixed or get to the cause of it. In the past I had a whole power station and railroad powered by OC that had all it's components connected with OC conduits, but don't ask me what version of the mods I was using
L324[13:21:44] <B​ob> yeah apparently...
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L326[13:22:45] <Izaya> I've had issues with the conduits
L327[13:22:50] <Izaya> primarily on chunk borders
L328[13:22:59] <hyphe​rionsa> > I've had issues with the conduits
L329[13:22:59] <hyphe​rionsa> @Izaya#0000 What issues did you have?
L330[13:23:20] <Izaya> when they got reloaded strange things would happen, it'd cross-connect networks until I replaced the conduits
L331[13:24:17] <hyphe​rionsa> Okay well that I don't get. From what I can notice, it's seems that the OC Conduits causes the components to disconnect when they are unloaded
L332[13:24:49] <Izaya> I've also had issues with adaptors and IE machines
L333[13:24:56] <Izaya> After a chunk reload they'd just disappear
L334[13:25:25] <hyphe​rionsa> > After a chunk reload they'd just disappear
L335[13:25:26] <hyphe​rionsa> @Izaya#0000 I also had those issues, but mine was no such component errors in the scripts
L336[13:26:23] <B​ob> is there a mod that loads a cluster of chunks when one of them laods ?
L337[13:26:29] <B​ob> cause chunk border issues will always remain one
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L340[13:41:35] <Izaya> unrelated thought: it's nice that the @ in front and the #0000 at the end doesn't break pinging, at least in this client
L341[14:23:38] <Forec​aster> @payonel the `cp` program seems to ask to overwrite by default, that makes the `-i: prompt before overwrite` option a bit strange doesn't it?
L342[14:32:31] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L343[14:32:31] <MichiBot> By my throth! Squi​dDev! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of 8 hours, 35 minutes and 27 seconds (By 33 minutes and 57 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L344[14:32:32] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points! plus 0.008 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.18774. Position #8 Need 0.00028 more points to pass DaCompu​terNerd!
L345[14:33:53] <Izaya> that's normal cp behavior
L346[14:34:28] <Forec​aster> it's normal behavior to have an option that doesn't do anything? :P
L347[14:34:44] <Izaya> oh, point taken
L348[14:35:02] <Izaya> normal behavior is to just clobber your files
L349[14:35:37] <Forec​aster> -i should be changed to make it not prompt before overwriting
L350[14:36:20] <Forec​aster> I don't know what you're talking about
L351[14:37:03] <fingercomp> @Forecaster shell.setAlias("cp", "cp -i") in /etc/profile.lua
L352[14:37:53] <Forec​aster> what
L353[14:38:24] <Forec​aster> oh
L354[14:38:32] <Forec​aster> I see
L355[14:50:21] <Forec​aster> ...
L356[14:51:01] <Forec​aster> I should look into making the factories get the program from the master server on startup
L357[14:51:19] <Forec​aster> that'd probably be nice for future updates
L358[14:51:58] <Forec​aster> though sending files over the network might be annoying
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L360[16:39:29] <Amanda> oh... that's unfortunate
L361[16:40:26] <Amanda> so... t20kdc if you're going to mainline the screen blanking.. might wantto make sure that on boot they get turned back on
L362[16:40:48] <t20kdc> Amanda: ...wait, they don't?
L363[16:40:53] <Amanda> Appears not
L364[16:41:05] <t20kdc> Amanda: ...I thought I covered that. I'm pretty sure I covered that.
L365[16:41:08] <Amanda> either that or I didn't charge it enough
L366[16:41:44] <t20kdc> Amanda: ...Just checked. I definitely covered that.
L367[16:42:03] <Amanda> okay, I guess I didn't charge the tablet enough then
L368[16:53:33] <Ocawes​ome101> OCVM appears to not have `screen.turn{On,Off}`
L369[17:00:30] <Amanda> Vexatos: you know the OC apis, how would I get the conversion rate from FE -> OC Energy from an external mod? :D
L370[17:01:05] <Vexatos> Settings.get() :^)
L371[17:01:25] <Amanda> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.12/src/main/java/li/cil/oc/api/API.java#L28 ?
L372[17:01:38] <Vexatos> https://github.com/Vexatos/Computronics/blob/68516d21aabf287813c879824715105e1dde14d2/src/main/java/pl/asie/computronics/integration/buildcraft/pluggable/DroneStationPluggable.java#L130
L373[17:02:02] <Vexatos> I mean
L374[17:02:07] <Vexatos> you can also manually ask the config sure
L375[17:02:20] <Vexatos> I just hook core OC because computronics does that anyway
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L382[18:07:44] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L383[18:07:44] <MichiBot> By my throth! Forec​aster! You beat Squi​dDev's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 35 minutes and 13 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L384[18:07:45] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 hours, 35 minutes and 13 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00359 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.04547 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L385[18:09:19] <Amanda> Who knew, forge crashes if you use AttachCapabilityEvent to attach your capability provider to every ItemStack under the sun.
L386[18:09:44] <Forec​aster> what about the ones above the sun?
L387[18:10:25] <Amanda> Grr.
L388[18:10:33] <Amanda> I can't figure out how to tell if this itemstack is a tablet.
L389[18:10:45] <Amanda> instanceof Tablet doesn't work
L390[18:11:28] <Forec​aster> can you use the unlocalized name?
L391[18:11:37] <immibis> itemstack.getItem() instanceof TabletItem probably?
L392[18:11:41] <immibis> (I don't know the OC code)
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L394[18:12:02] <immibis> I would expect Tablet to be OC's internal data about the tablet, and there will be a separate TabletItem which defines the item type for minecraft
L395[18:13:37] <Amanda> I assume `li.cil.oc.common.item.Tablet` is the tablet item
L396[18:15:42] <Amanda> Fuck it, let's print the itemStack and the java classof the item for everything!
L397[18:15:56] <Sagh​etti> i think it already does that in the logs
L398[18:15:59] <immibis> it looks like OC has a class that wraps items
L399[18:16:02] <Sagh​etti> (dont quote me on that though)
L400[18:16:08] <immibis> so their item is a Delegator which has a field which holds a Tablet
L401[18:17:04] <immibis> you might need to look it up by ID
L402[18:17:12] <Amanda> ... what Item(1xitem.oc.misc@0: null
L403[18:17:18] <Amanda> how is the canonncalName null!?
L404[18:17:24] <immibis> opencomputers:tablet or whatever it's actually called
L405[18:17:47] <Amanda> I wanted to avoid hard-coding by the item id, but I g uess I have no sane choice
L406[18:18:18] <immibis> as long as it's a string and not a number, it's probably okay
L407[18:19:54] <Amanda> how do I get `opencomputers:misc` out of an itemStack,, though?
L408[18:21:04] <Forec​aster> stack.getUnlocalizedName()
L409[18:25:42] <Amanda> ..... I cause an NPE in EnderIO now. :D
L410[18:25:54] <Forec​aster> woo
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L412[18:52:27] <Amanda> :D The capability is not being attached! Aand MC crashes because I did it bad. :D
L413[18:55:40] <Amanda> now I need to figure out how to get an EntityPLayerMP into my capability so that I can get the TabletWrapper I need
L414[18:58:29] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i want to add RF stuff to OSSM but that requires working on OSSM
L415[18:59:40] <Amanda> the IEnergyStorage capability is stupid-simple. Plumbing it into the correct space, with the correct fields is proving to be the problem.
L416[19:00:47] <Amanda> There, perfect: Tablet.get(itemStack, Minecraft.getMinecraft().player)
L417[19:01:08] <Amanda> Multiplayer? What's that?
L418[19:02:40] <Inari> %pet Amanda
L419[19:02:40] <MichiBot> Inari is petting Amanda with slimey sword. Amanda regains 1d4 => 4 hit points! Slimey sword melted in the sun...
L420[19:10:45] <Kristo​pher38> why is this allowed
L421[19:10:45] <Kristo​pher38> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/sinuqapaxi
L422[19:11:20] <Inari> What part of it?
L423[19:11:21] <Kristo​pher38> and then each closure, at a[1] and a[2] will have their own separate version of y
L424[19:11:30] <Inari> Yeah
L425[19:11:44] <Kristo​pher38> big pepee
L426[19:12:20] <Inari> Because the function automatically captures all variable in scopes above it, and since y is local, it's specific to this loop
L427[19:12:22] <Kristo​pher38> I dunno, coming from a different langs, `y` would cease existing when the loop finishes
L428[19:12:58] <Kristo​pher38> but eh, I get why this happens
L429[19:13:29] <Kristo​pher38> it's just that it's gonna cause me so many headaches to implement handling this properly
L430[19:25:07] <Sagh​etti> i'm currently archiving all the blackberry JDE versions
L431[19:25:09] <Sagh​etti> all of them
L432[19:28:09] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/ybprbzlf
L433[19:28:19] <Sagh​etti> it's glorious
L434[19:28:27] <Sagh​etti> CompanionCube: once again, thank you so much
L435[19:32:35] <Inari> @Kristopher38 other languages like?
L436[19:33:15] <Kristo​pher38> C
L437[19:33:20] <Inari> Ah :p
L438[19:33:25] <Inari> Well C is about as unfancy as you get
L439[19:33:27] <Kristo​pher38> except that C doesn't have closures
L440[19:33:37] <Kristo​pher38> let's say C++, it's got lambdas
L441[19:33:44] <Inari> c++ can do that
L442[19:34:07] <Inari> Has capturing lambdas
L443[19:34:48] <Inari> https://hastebin.com/qilepudijo.cpp will write 10 11 10 11
L444[19:42:04] <Kristo​pher38> oh
L445[19:42:08] <Kristo​pher38> well I'm wrong then
L446[19:44:47] <B​ob> C++ functional 👏
L447[19:48:17] <Kristo​pher38> if I wrap the values in tables to be able to use them as pointers it's gonna cosume a fuckton of memory
L448[19:48:26] <Kristo​pher38> if I wrap the values in tables to be able to use them like pointers it's gonna cosume a fuckton of memory [Edited]
L449[19:49:34] <Ocawes​ome101> is your goal to make it work in OpenComputers or just in general?
L450[19:50:06] <Kristo​pher38> in general first but I want to use it in OC eventually
L451[19:50:50] <Ocawes​ome101> that would be neat
L452[19:50:57] <Ocawes​ome101> and puts your memory cap at 2mb
L453[19:52:57] <Kristo​pher38> I mean the biggest overhead is from storing the parsed bytecode in memory
L454[19:53:05] <Ocawes​ome101> :P
L455[19:55:20] <Kristo​pher38> the actual values of variables in the interpreted code are just stored in a table, one per one level in the call stack
L456[19:58:23] <Kristo​pher38> but if I start wrapping all of them in a table that's gonna give me a 300% memory overhead :P
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L460[20:31:31] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L461[20:31:31] <MichiBot> You fling a sour chocolate potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda turns into a tuna dog otter until they have an apple.
L462[20:31:36] <Inari> Heh
L463[20:35:29] <Sagh​etti> %absorb sour chocolate potion
L464[20:35:30] <MichiBot> You drink a sour chocolate potion. Sagh​etti turns into a tuna dog otter until they have an apple.
L465[20:35:33] <Amanda> D:
L466[20:35:35] <Amanda> %sip antidote
L467[20:35:36] <MichiBot> Amanda reverts to their original state before any potions.
L468[20:35:44] <Inari> Lame!
L469[20:42:04] <Klea​dron> %loot the internet
L470[20:42:05] <MichiBot> Klea​​dron: You stab the internet! It dropped a Magic Magic Standards URL! (25%)! (25%) (25%)!
L471[20:43:06] <Forec​aster> hah
L472[20:49:50] <Inari> Thats a lot of 25%
L473[20:57:44] <immibis> 25% factorial?
L474[20:58:09] <immibis> %loot the internet
L475[20:58:09] <MichiBot> imm​ibis: You stab the internet! It dropped the bottom of a barrel. (Junk)!
L476[20:58:21] <immibis> %loot sour chocolate potion
L477[20:59:13] <Amanda> who knew, spamming the log with 41 messages every player tick causes lag.
L478[20:59:33] <immibis> %loot sour chocolate potion
L479[20:59:33] <MichiBot> imm​ibis: You stab sour chocolate potion! It dropped a Shiny collection of Ariri's hair! (10%) (10%)!
L480[20:59:40] <immibis> who writes these things
L481[21:00:24] <Forec​aster> the people who added the things to the inventory
L482[21:00:25] <Forec​aster> :P
L483[21:00:33] <Amanda> It works!
L484[21:01:10] <Amanda> It's ugly as sin, but it works
L485[21:01:28] <Vexaton> %inv add circular dichroism
L486[21:01:28] * MichiBot summons 'circular dichroism' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L487[21:10:26] <Amanda> Goddesses help us: https://gitlab.darkdna.net/amanda/mc-opentablets/-/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/net/darkdna/amanda/mc/opentablets/OpenTablets.kt#L100-180
L488[21:11:13] <Amanda> I have no idea if that'll even work on a dedicated server.
L489[21:11:34] <Amanda> but at this point, I don't care, I'm way out of spoons for this
L490[21:30:51] <Kristo​pher38> Oh, this might prove very useful https://craftinginterpreters.com/closures.html
L491[21:35:51] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> whoa kotlin
L492[21:35:52] <Kristo​pher38> and the explanations are even based on lua, sweet
L493[21:38:34] <Amanda> %choose halucinate or check for irradiation
L494[21:38:34] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A wizard is never late, and sometimes engages in some "check for irradiation".
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L496[22:01:32] <Sagh​etti> %inv add obama
L497[22:01:32] * MichiBot summons 'obama' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L498[22:01:58] <Sagh​etti> %inv add general protection fault
L499[22:02:25] <Klea​dron> it encountered a general protection fault while doing that
L500[22:08:02] <Sagh​etti> ohno
L501[22:08:30] <Sagh​etti> %inv add ';--
L502[22:08:30] * MichiBot summons '';--' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
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L504[22:09:08] <Sagh​etti> %inv add general protection fault
L505[22:09:18] <Sagh​etti> ok
L506[22:11:20] <AshleighTheCutie> hmmm
L507[22:11:29] <AshleighTheCutie> IRC is currently pegging out my network
L508[22:11:32] <AshleighTheCutie> something is wrong
L509[22:12:18] <AshleighTheCutie> IRC only sends and receives when text is sent and received, no?
L510[22:12:31] <Lizzy> yeah
L511[22:12:53] <AshleighTheCutie> as soon as I fired up wocchat, the network switch went nuts with outgoing traffic
L512[22:13:14] <AshleighTheCutie> or incoming, not sure
L513[22:13:18] <Ar​iri> Dont touch my hair
L514[22:13:22] <Lizzy> wait, oc network switch ir irl network switch?
L515[22:13:28] <AshleighTheCutie> IRL
L516[22:13:49] <Lizzy> hmm, could be flashing cause of the individual packets
L517[22:13:59] <AshleighTheCutie> and i'm running this instance of wocchat in a public server
L518[22:14:12] <AshleighTheCutie> no, its nonstop, even with nothing being sent or recived
L519[22:14:39] <Lizzy> wait, so are you hosting the server locally or are you in minecraft connected to a server that's hosted elsewhere?
L520[22:15:22] <AshleighTheCutie> it's hosted in my room
L521[22:16:11] <AshleighTheCutie> nothing showing in tcptrack on the server
L522[22:16:23] <AshleighTheCutie> (except my MC instance connection)
L523[22:16:39] <Lizzy> then it's most likely your mc connection that's making the switch blink
L524[22:16:52] <AshleighTheCutie> no, that's between ports 2 and 3
L525[22:16:57] <Lizzy> the blinking lights on most network switches don't signify anything other than 'dataflow'
L526[22:17:07] <AshleighTheCutie> this activity is on port 1, which is the incoming internet line
L527[22:17:07] <Lizzy> s/dataflow/there's data flowing
L528[22:17:08] <MichiBot> <Lizzy> the blinking lights on most network switches don't signify anything other than 'there's data flowing'
L529[22:17:28] <AshleighTheCutie> i have a light for dataflow, for FDX/Col, and for 100MBPS connection speed
L530[22:18:05] <AshleighTheCutie> nothing weird in tcptrack, huh
L531[22:18:17] <AshleighTheCutie> is there a tcptrrack equal for UDP traffic?
L532[22:18:31] <Lizzy> you could always try Wireshark
L533[22:18:52] <AshleighTheCutie> Wireshark doesnt work in a console
L534[22:19:05] <Lizzy> there's a TUI version of it i think
L535[22:19:14] <Lizzy> i think it's called Tshark
L536[22:19:39] <AshleighTheCutie> nailed it, DLing now
L537[22:21:17] <Lizzy> wireshark/tshark will show you pretty much everything, including the tcp state control packets (which would also make a network switch light blink)
L538[22:21:28] <AshleighTheCutie> what's port 22?
L539[22:21:32] <Lizzy> ssh
L540[22:22:13] <AshleighTheCutie> it's scorlling so fast the LCD is ghosting
L541[22:22:28] <AshleighTheCutie> tmux is very unhappy
L542[22:22:52] <Lizzy> hmm, sounds like someone might be trying to break into your server, happens a bit
L543[22:23:16] <AshleighTheCutie> well, they cant do that if the internet is disconnected!
L544[22:23:22] <AshleighTheCutie> bye for a bit
L545[22:23:30] <Lizzy> if you have a firewall utility (ufw or firewall-cmd are some defaults), try blocking all ssh traffic not from the network
L546[22:23:33] <Klea​dron> bluetooth ethernet cables
L547[22:24:26] <Sagh​etti> no
L548[22:24:28] <Lizzy> %tell AshleighTheCutie if you have a firewall utility (ufw or firewall-cmd are some defaults), try blocking all ssh traffic not from the network
L549[22:24:28] <MichiBot> Lizzy: AshleighTheCutie will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L552[22:33:15] <AshleighTheCutie> whatever it was stopped after i disconnected the internet for a few minutes
L553[22:34:28] <AshleighTheCutie> Lizzy: the issue with blocking all SSH traffic not from the network, is that i use it to remote in from other locations to do admin things
L554[22:34:38] <Lizzy> ah
L555[22:35:01] <Lizzy> in that case make sure that password authentication and root login can't be done remotely
L556[22:35:02] <AshleighTheCutie> and not all my devices have OpenVPN installed or functional
L557[22:35:13] <AshleighTheCutie> password auth is completely off
L558[22:35:19] <AshleighTheCutie> and root user is disabled
L559[22:35:30] <Lizzy> that's good
L560[22:35:42] <Lizzy> cause if there's an open ssh port, people will keep attempting to get in
L561[22:36:00] * Lizzy has many emails from fail2ban for ssh
L562[22:36:02] <AshleighTheCutie> the SSH was my laptop itself, i was SSHed in
L563[22:36:24] <AshleighTheCutie> i have no clue what the internet traffic was, it wasn't the server
L564[22:36:31] <AshleighTheCutie> at least, it wasnt in Wireshark
L565[22:38:22] <AshleighTheCutie> i might change the ssh port to something nondefault
L566[22:46:58] <Vexaton> @Forecaster isn't this your kinda game? just found it it seems kinda neat https://store.steampowered.com/app/1122120/
L567[22:55:22] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L568[22:55:22] <MichiBot> Gadsbudlikins! Squi​dDev! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 3 hours, 35 minutes and 13 seconds (By 1 hour, 12 minutes and 24 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L569[22:55:23] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.003 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.19624. Position #8 => #7 Need 0.03284 more points to pass Ocawes​ome101!
L570[22:55:33] <Lizzy> %tonk
L571[22:55:33] <MichiBot> Potzblitz! Li​zzy! You beat Squi​dDev's previous record of <0 (By 11 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L572[22:55:35] <MichiBot> Lizzy's new record is 11 seconds! Position #3. Need 0.15452 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L573[22:55:46] <Vexaton> %tonk
L574[22:55:49] <AshleighTheCutie> wait wot
L575[22:55:51] <Vexaton> D:
L576[22:56:00] <AshleighTheCutie> why is the tonk so low
L577[22:57:57] <Forec​aster> What do you mean
L578[22:58:24] <AshleighTheCutie> ah, it got reset
L579[23:00:07] <Forec​aster> Vexaton: looks interesting, will have a closer look when I have time
L580[23:00:12] *** Vexaton is now known as Vexatos
L581[23:00:19] <Vexatos> heh
L582[23:00:26] <Vexatos> It showed up as new game on my store page
L583[23:00:38] <Vexatos> and I was like hohum a management game I wonder who likes those
L584[23:03:45] <Ocawes​ome101> how the fk do OOP classes work
L585[23:03:50] <Ar​iri> Can't they change the SSH port? It's not much but it's adds a bit of guesswork. I personally have 3 different ones for each ssh server
L586[23:04:10] <AshleighTheCutie> i might change it
L587[23:05:04] <Ar​iri> They'd have to a port scan and all that jazz
L588[23:05:04] <Ar​iri> And thanks for reminding me to change my temp ssh passwords and only allow rsa to login
L589[23:05:37] <AshleighTheCutie> i never use passwords on SSH
L590[23:05:43] <AshleighTheCutie> too dangerous
L591[23:06:30] <Forec​aster> Pff, nobody likes management games...
L592[23:06:40] <Vexatos> RSA? What about ed25519 though :^)
L593[23:06:42] <Ar​iri> Mine are internal only, I just hadn't gotten around to doing it yet as I don't have a good organization for my ssh-keys
L594[23:06:53] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> works on management game in Minecraft
L595[23:07:42] <AshleighTheCutie> i use the key management software that comes with the Linux distro, or I use indiviual files
L596[23:08:03] <Ar​iri> Vexatos: I used ed25519 on my pi but rsa-2048 for my file server isn't bad either, I'm still learning number theory (adds it to the calender bc the last time they picked up the book was 2 months ago) so I can do some crypto work
L597[23:08:28] <AshleighTheCutie> I honestly forget what crypto im using
L598[23:08:35] <AshleighTheCutie> it may be the default tbh
L599[23:08:42] <Vexatos> default is RSA
L600[23:08:45] <Ar​iri> AshleighTheCutie: I wouldn't mind that, but I use my home laptop, mobile, pc, etc all to login. I suppose I could use my Pi as a bridge to them all....
L601[23:09:23] <Vexatos> well I copy my keys over manually
L602[23:09:26] <Vexatos> to all my devices
L603[23:09:31] <Vexatos> that is the safest option
L604[23:09:33] <AshleighTheCutie> I only have 2 laptops that i SSH from, so I just copy keys manually
L605[23:09:45] <Vexatos> or rather I have one key for each if I can
L606[23:09:55] <Vexatos> but for work machines that can be hard
L607[23:10:20] <Vexatos> @Forecaster how is that going by the way?
L608[23:10:28] <Vexatos> looked very cool a few uh weeks ago
L609[23:10:29] <Ar​iri> Is there a security key that can store ssh things
L610[23:10:29] <Ar​iri> Oh wait, they added support for that now huh
L611[23:10:43] <AshleighTheCutie> what?
L612[23:10:49] <Ar​iri> I should get an OnlyKey (or whatever the good open-source kickstarter one was)
L613[23:11:10] <B​ob> @Ocawesome101 in Lua or ?
L614[23:14:14] <Ar​iri> AshleighTheCutie: I think I read OpenSSH can now use security keys for authentication, instead of an on-device private key.
L615[23:14:15] <Ar​iri> I also need to hurry up and figure out how to pen test my network bc I have way too many vulnerabilites
L616[23:14:28] <AshleighTheCutie> define security key
L617[23:14:45] <AshleighTheCutie> i thought the keys I was copying WERE the security keys
L618[23:14:48] <Ar​iri> %wiki security key
L619[23:14:49] <MichiBot> Ar​​iri: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_token - *Security token - Wikipedia*: "A security token is a peripheral device used to gain access to an electronically restricted resource. The token is used in addition to or in place of a password. It acts like an electronic key to access something."
L620[23:14:55] <Ar​iri> Maybe
L621[23:15:02] <Ar​iri> They sort of are
L622[23:15:15] <Ar​iri> Its a asymetric encryption, instead of a password
L623[23:16:18] <AshleighTheCutie> hm
L624[23:16:27] <Ar​iri> But what a security key is: a usb device that stores/generates an on-drive private key, and it all stays on it. If you've heard of pam2 authentication for ssh via YubiKey, its similar. I thinks its also called FIDO or U2F
L625[23:16:57] <AshleighTheCutie> hm, never used a YubiKey or even looked into it
L626[23:17:35] <Ar​iri> It's a great alternative to TOTP apps, or you can make that backup, and much faster and secure. Less MITM stuff
L627[23:17:43] <AshleighTheCutie> TOTP?
L628[23:18:02] <Ar​iri> Time-dependent One Time Password (something like that)
L629[23:18:07] <AshleighTheCutie> ah
L630[23:18:13] <AshleighTheCutie> like Google Authencator
L631[23:18:16] <Ar​iri> Instead of SMS and email verification for gmail, reddit, github, etc
L632[23:18:26] <Ar​iri> Pretty popular, as is u2f now
L633[23:18:31] <Ar​iri> Yes exactly
L634[23:18:38] <Ar​iri> I'd recommend Authy personally
L635[23:18:47] <Lizzy> you can use PGP for ssh authentication and then can put that on a yubikey. it's how i auth with ssh on my laptop/whatever device
L636[23:18:52] <Ar​iri> Great multi-device support
L637[23:18:57] <Ar​iri> ^
L638[23:19:05] <AshleighTheCutie> Nintendo only works with Google Auth.
L639[23:19:11] <Ar​iri> "Some tokens may store cryptographic keys that may be used to generate a digital signature, or biometric data, such as fingerprint details. Some may also store passwords.[1] Some designs incorporate tamper resistant packaging, while others may include small keypads to allow entry of a PIN or a simple button to start a generating routine with some display capability to show a generated key number. Connected tokens utilize a variety of interfaces
L640[23:19:11] <Ar​iri> including USB, near-field communication (NFC), radio-frequency identification (RFID), or Bluetooth. Some tokens have an audio capability designed for vision-impaired people."
L641[23:19:37] <Ar​iri> Challenge-response and all that stuff happens on the key
L642[23:19:51] <Lizzy> google's authenticator app is TOTP, so any app which can do that can support nintendo
L643[23:19:59] <Lizzy> which reminds me i should probably go make sure that's set up
L644[23:20:01] <Forec​aster> I've only started two weeks ago or so
L645[23:20:04] <AshleighTheCutie> wonder what code it runs, prolly Java ME
L646[23:20:20] <Forec​aster> I only started two weeks ago or so [Edited]
L647[23:20:23] <Ar​iri> Yeah, all totp apps work, companies usually just say Google Auth for simplicity
L648[23:20:51] <AshleighTheCutie> hm
L649[23:20:59] <AshleighTheCutie> wonder if authy works on a smartwatch
L650[23:21:04] <Ar​iri> You can even get some that have-
L651[23:21:12] <Ar​iri> I have an Apple Watch and it has the Authy app
L652[23:21:22] <Ar​iri> -have fingerprint or touch-capacitors
L653[23:21:35] <Ar​iri> (security key I mean)
L654[23:21:38] <AshleighTheCutie> authy is not on android wear
L655[23:21:47] <Forec​aster> Vexatos and I only stared posting pictures a week ago or something like that :P
L656[23:21:49] <Ar​iri> Humbug
L657[23:21:59] <Vexatos> maybe it was a week ago I don't know D:
L658[23:22:02] <Ar​iri> Bitwarden I think also does it if you have their premium
L659[23:22:14] <Ar​iri> Not sure though
L660[23:22:15] <Forec​aster> What is time
L661[23:22:37] <Vexatos> idk the last few weeks have just been a continuous blur of work from home
L662[23:22:51] <Forec​aster> Anyway the factory code works, I just need to write an installer thingy for it
L663[23:23:11] <Forec​aster> Then I can move on to the master server finally
L664[23:23:15] <Ar​iri> AshleighTheCutie: I'd recommend a SoloKey and Yubikey personally, they have wide usages. A Thetis for backup if you can spring for it.
L665[23:23:30] * Lizzy sighs
L666[23:23:37] <Lizzy> why is Thunderbird's search so shit?
L667[23:24:00] <Vexatos> @Ariri KeepassXC supports TOTP
L668[23:24:24] <Vexatos> Lizzy, quick search or full text search
L669[23:24:26] <Ar​iri> For free?
L670[23:24:28] <Vexatos> it has two search bars for me
L671[23:24:29] <AshleighTheCutie> im broke so likely wont be getting anything like that
L672[23:24:32] <Vexatos> @Ariri it's FOSS
L673[23:24:49] <Ar​iri> So is Bitwarden
L674[23:24:52] <Vexatos> and exists for PC and android
L675[23:25:00] <Ar​iri> Except for a few features
L676[23:25:02] <Ocawes​ome101> @Bob in general
L677[23:25:04] <Forec​aster> Vexatos if you have time I can use you for the next test :P
L678[23:25:09] <Vexatos> well keepassxc has all everything free forever
L679[23:25:17] <Forec​aster> Whenever that will be
L680[23:25:21] <Vexatos> it's a fork of keepassx after it died which is a port of keepass to not-windows
L681[23:25:39] <Vexatos> and it's really good
L682[23:25:43] <Lizzy> Vexatos, whatever the one along the top on the same bar as the "get messages" button
L683[23:25:43] <AshleighTheCutie> hm
L684[23:25:46] <Forec​aster> I just treated with someone today and it was mostly successful
L685[23:25:49] <AshleighTheCutie> i'll have to look into it
L686[23:25:55] <Vexatos> the android app also supports fingerprint unlocking the database
L687[23:26:02] <Forec​aster> I just tested with someone today and it was mostly successful [Edited]
L688[23:26:05] <Ar​iri> AshleighTheCutie: I'm pretty tight on money too, but it was definetely worth it. (PS: If you have Amazon in your area, getting a Thetis key and adding a review after sending them your order number will get you a fre backup)
L689[23:26:14] <Ar​iri> Vexatos: I'll take a look at that.
L690[23:26:24] <Vexatos> Lizzy, if it opens a new tab it's the full text search
L691[23:26:39] <Vexatos> and that one has been quite alright in my experience
L692[23:27:19] <Ar​iri> Is it a local password manager? (ie no cloud syncing)
L693[23:27:22] <Lizzy> then it's the full text one. and it managed to find a message containing "nintendo" from trello in 2019 but not the one from nintendo themselves that'd be this year
L694[23:29:49] <Lizzy> there, got 2fa set up on my NSO account now
L695[23:30:24] <Vexatos> @Ariri yes
L696[23:30:27] <Vexatos> it's literally a single file
L697[23:30:32] <Vexatos> an encrypted database
L698[23:30:42] <Vexatos> you can copy it wherever you like, make copies, or have multiple files
L699[23:30:50] <Vexatos> you can also specify how much you want it encrypted
L700[23:30:56] <Vexatos> i.e. how long it should take to unlock
L701[23:31:05] <Vexatos> with quite high precision
L702[23:31:10] <Ar​iri> Ah. That's why. A good second back up option though.
L703[23:31:24] <AshleighTheCutie> yeah, not useful for me
L704[23:31:26] <Vexatos> you can obviously just sync the database file with any sync service you want
L705[23:31:40] <Vexatos> not that you should have your passwords in the cloud anyway that's moronic
L706[23:32:01] <AshleighTheCutie> I just use LastPass with a massive password
L707[23:32:08] <Ar​iri> It's still encrypted, with only on-device decryption
L708[23:32:16] <Vexatos> is what they say
L709[23:32:27] <Vexatos> single point of failure always nice for crypto
L710[23:32:31] <AshleighTheCutie> LastPass doesnt even know your password
L711[23:32:33] <Ar​iri> AshleighTheCutie: Ouch, I used to use Lastpass too, but they didn't encrypt their vault for a while (not sure if they even do)
L712[23:32:34] <Vexatos> they say
L713[23:32:48] <Vexatos> case in point ^
L714[23:32:51] <AshleighTheCutie> hmm, I'll look into that, brb
L715[23:32:52] <Ar​iri> Bitwarden is way better, with passcode locks for the browser extension
L716[23:33:12] <Vexatos> if there is one thing you should be extremely paranoid about it's your password storage >_>
L717[23:33:13] <Ar​iri> Vexatos: Lastpass isn't open source, Bitwarden is
L718[23:33:20] <Vexatos> so is keepassxc
L719[23:33:24] <Vexatos> and that one is actually local only
L720[23:33:29] <Vexatos> with absolutely no monetary incentives
L721[23:33:46] <Ar​iri> Of course, but on iOS it's not easily feasible to sync passwords daily
L722[23:33:55] <Vexatos> well noone uses ios
L723[23:33:57] <Vexatos> :^)
L724[23:34:13] <Ar​iri> Well that's why it has nothing to purchase, it's local. Bitwarden is cloud-synced.
L725[23:34:29] <Lizzy> is there any decent self-hosted password managers that can be used for syncing between different devices (even those that a conventional file syncing thing wouldn't exactly work on)?
L726[23:34:30] <Ar​iri> :\
L727[23:34:34] <Vexatos> well there are keepass clients for ios
L728[23:34:38] <Vexatos> obviously
L729[23:34:59] <AshleighTheCutie> LastPass does that, so I'd assume others can too
L730[23:35:04] <Ar​iri> Lizzy: If there was a Nextcloud passwords app for mobile, then perhaps that.
L731[23:35:24] <Vexatos> Lizzy, keepassxc literally just maintains encrypted database files, easiest scenario you have a single file to sync
L732[23:35:28] <Vexatos> and you can use anything you like for that
L733[23:35:34] <Vexatos> be it ssh or seafile or syncthing or
L734[23:35:43] <Vexatos> nextcloud too ofc
L735[23:36:08] <Lizzy> i don't use nextcloud, annoys me too much
L736[23:37:20] <Vexatos> as I said I copy my keepass storage manually because I am paranoid about this
L737[23:37:36] <Vexatos> but any cloud file host that you trust would work
L738[23:37:38] <Ar​iri> There aren't even an iOS APKs for self-hosted storage apps (passwords, email, etc) so idk what other options are there
L739[23:37:43] <Vexatos> I know someone who just uses sshfs
L740[23:38:00] <AshleighTheCutie> dear god
L741[23:38:02] <Vexatos> @Ariri keepassXC FAQ seems to recommend an app called strongbox
L742[23:38:23] <AshleighTheCutie> LastPass is taking FOREVER to export the passwords into Bitwarden
L743[23:38:26] <Ar​iri> Vexatos: It's a good approach, but mobile syncing is my issue. I constantly move between workspaces
L744[23:38:27] <AshleighTheCutie> it just locked up
L745[23:38:37] <AshleighTheCutie> and it errored out
L746[23:38:43] <Ar​iri> AshleighTheCutie: What client? Browser extension or web app?
L747[23:38:46] <Vexatos> @Ariri well syncthing can keep your files always up to date, as can seafile
L748[23:38:49] <Vexatos> I know about those two
L749[23:39:06] <AshleighTheCutie> LastPass exports as CSV in plaintext
L750[23:39:10] <Vexatos> ah
L751[23:39:10] <Vexatos> yes
L752[23:39:11] <Vexatos> my
L753[23:39:13] <Vexatos> favourite
L754[23:39:25] <Ar​iri> Yeah
L755[23:39:29] <AshleighTheCutie> you copy the plaintext into Bitwarden's import section
L756[23:39:41] <AshleighTheCutie> but it wont give me the plaintext in the first place!
L757[23:39:43] <Ar​iri> It's the only easy way to transfer it, but at it's one time
L758[23:39:57] <Ar​iri> It's the only easy way to transfer it, but at least it's one time [Edited]
L759[23:40:07] <Vexatos> I mean you do you
L760[23:40:32] <AshleighTheCutie> it wont export
L761[23:40:41] <Vexatos> Online password storage services are #1 prime target for hackers so I would never want to put stuff there
L762[23:40:42] <AshleighTheCutie> keeps saying it's taking longer than usual, then gives up
L763[23:41:48] <Ar​iri> It's still encrypted and oss, so I'll take my chance with it. I don't make any password the same and it'd be hard to guess it for any other accounts. Plus, TOTP and U2F security for everything important.
L764[23:42:07] <Ar​iri> If I really wanted, I could use a Yubikey pregenerated hash to secure it further
L765[23:42:21] <Vexatos> keepassxc has all that so
L766[23:42:23] <Vexatos> eh
L767[23:42:47] <Kristo​pher38> @Ocawesome101 it's just a way of grouping together data and functions which operate on that data
L768[23:43:03] <Ar​iri> No I mean (random hash) + password (which is stored in the manager) so they would need my yubikey to login to anything
L769[23:43:14] <AshleighTheCutie> oh ffs
L770[23:43:25] <AshleighTheCutie> export is broken on Firefox
L771[23:43:40] <Ocawes​ome101> @Kristopher38 I figured it out (had to go to Python, which I know). Thanks though :)
L772[23:45:52] <AshleighTheCutie> had to use chrome to export
L773[23:45:59] <AshleighTheCutie> export worked there
L774[23:46:35] <Ar​iri> Yeah. I'd recommend perm-deleting the plaintext file immediately after, and dont import via webpage
L775[23:46:48] <AshleighTheCutie> already imported via webpage, oops
L776[23:47:03] <Lizzy> worked for me with FF (exporting from LP)
L777[23:47:03] <AshleighTheCutie> no file though, didnt use a file
L778[23:47:13] <Ar​iri> It's probably okay, but it's an extra layer.
L779[23:47:21] <Ar​iri> Then clear the clipboard :P
L780[23:47:22] <AshleighTheCutie> and i just cleaned up the clipboard
L781[23:47:37] <Amanda> Vexatos: my family is all using 1Password, and I'll take the security hit just to have the convience of my family all actually using a password manager, without having to debug remotely when it doesn't want to sync on their work wifi or whatever
L782[23:47:55] <Vexatos> Amanda, you joke but I got my mum to use keepass on her phone and laptop in 5 minutes
L783[23:48:26] <Amanda> Vexatos: Sharing passwords is important to us, so for example my dad can get into my bank, or I can get into my sister;s Steam
L784[23:48:35] <Vexatos> I'm like here are the apps just press the button use your fingerprint and there you go
L785[23:48:43] <Ar​iri> AshleighTheCutie: fyi, you can add a passcode if you dont want to type your master password everytime (for which I recommend a bunch of words)
L786[23:49:07] <Ar​iri> (It's per client)
L787[23:49:10] <Vexatos> Amanda, we don't do that but you can just put passwords into different databases so you can have a private and a public one just fine
L788[23:49:22] <Lizzy> my dad and one of my sisters use lastpass (i got a family sub so i could give them access to it) because it's a *little* better than having chrome remember everything, but i wonder if i can get them to switch to something better
L789[23:49:50] <Vexatos> well all I can say is that I made my mum use keepassxc and she figured it out immediately
L790[23:49:53] <AshleighTheCutie> brb
L791[23:49:56] <Lizzy> okay then my lastpass export has a site that has a url of just "http://"....
L792[23:49:56] <Vexatos> didn't expect thatr
L793[23:50:07] <Ar​iri> I think Bitwarden also supports sharing for free. The only paid features I would buy are two-step login and TOTP
L794[23:50:16] <Amanda> Vexatos: that just emeans more points of failure to sync, because there's no way I'lll get my parents to understand copying a file around using MTP on their phone
L795[23:50:41] <Ar​iri> Lizzy: For real? Good thing I switched off
L796[23:50:45] <Vexatos> Amanda, I installed syncthing on both devices and told her as long as her phone and laptop are turned on at the same time they will synchronize
L797[23:51:05] <Amanda> Vexatos: I tried that with my sister, it constantly had issues actually syncing
L798[23:51:19] <Vexatos> it's peer to peer
L799[23:51:23] <Amanda> yes, I know
L800[23:51:26] <Vexatos> it takes up to three minutes to discover the other side from my experience
L801[23:51:33] <Vexatos> but after that it's been pretty smooth
L802[23:51:37] <Vexatos> I use syncthing _a lot_
L803[23:51:46] <Vexatos> I think on this machine I sync like three terabytes of files
L804[23:51:50] <Amanda> but my sister would be on her laptop all day, her phone as well, and it'd still not sync the damn database over reliably
L805[23:52:09] <Vexatos> (not quite as much to my phone)
L806[23:52:48] <Lizzy> @Ariri it's not the only entry, just one of them
L807[23:53:03] <Ar​iri> Still not great
L808[23:53:07] <Lizzy> and might have been an import from chrome or something
L809[23:54:09] <Lizzy> oh
L810[23:54:14] <Lizzy> apple id aparrently
L811[23:54:34] <Lizzy> ah, yeah. found it
L812[23:54:44] <Vexatos> I think cruor even managed to make his grandparents use keepass .-.
L813[23:54:46] <Vexatos> but eh
L814[23:55:07] <Amanda> It's not so much getting them to use it, as debugging issues when they inevitably come up
L815[23:55:19] <Amanda> Like. My dad barely grasps that casting video from his laptop needs his laptop to stay open
L816[23:55:46] <Vexatos> I mean my mum is on the more tech-savvy side
L817[23:55:54] <Vexatos> she's only used her phone for years
L818[23:56:01] <Vexatos> and now finally decided to get a laptop for accounting
L819[23:56:06] <Ar​iri> Wait. My lastpass vault still exists. I forgot to delete it.
L820[23:56:18] <Vexatos> but she had a turbopascal course back at university so she has at least seen a terminal before
L821[23:56:41] <Vexatos> also she did a lot of CAD drawings back in the day I guess
L822[23:57:10] <Vexatos> Amanda, Cruor can tell you stories about his dad
L823[23:57:16] <Vexatos> everything he touches apparently breaks
L824[23:57:46] <AshleighTheCutie> Ariri: I won't be deleting mine just yet, mainly because I'm worried something will mess up with Bitwarden
L825[23:57:48] <Ar​iri> "Your LastPass account has been permanently deleted and all of your data has been purged from our systems." I damn well hope so. Shifty.
L826[23:58:05] <Vexatos> "I swear we are good guys" proceeds to not enforce https
L827[23:58:22] <Ar​iri> AshleighTheCutie: So was I, which is why I waited. I have no regrets though, and would've done it sooner if I remembered. Just make sure you do.
L828[23:58:31] <AshleighTheCutie> oki, i will
L829[23:58:52] <Ar​iri> You can also save the plaintext CSV and super-hard encrypt it in a zip file on a thumbdrive for an off-site backup.
L830[23:59:06] <Ar​iri> Put it in the floorboard :P
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