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L1[00:14:48] <The_Stargazer> Huh.
L2[00:14:49] <The_Stargazer> Windows Explorer and my USB flash drive... do not appear to be compatible.
L3[00:14:49] <The_Stargazer> Just inserting it hangs Windows Explorer.
L4[00:15:07] <CompanionCube> wtv
L5[00:15:12] <CompanionCube> *wtf
L6[00:15:22] <The_Stargazer> exactly
L7[00:15:29] <The_Stargazer> i have no idea why it does this
L8[00:16:54] <The_Stargazer> oh, and the entire desktop has now gone.
L9[00:16:54] <The_Stargazer> thanks, windows.
L10[00:17:24] <The_Stargazer> it doesn't want to start
L11[00:17:24] <The_Stargazer> and this is why windows is horrible.
L12[00:19:13] <The_Stargazer> ah, it was waiting for a service
L13[00:19:43] <The_Stargazer> oh boy
L14[00:19:44] <The_Stargazer> manually inputting 100 links
L15[00:19:44] <The_Stargazer> f u n
L16[00:22:47] <The_Stargazer> wat.
L17[00:22:57] <The_Stargazer> it doesn't even recognize the drive if i plug it into a usb 2 port
L18[00:23:46] <The_Stargazer> so much for backwards compatibility
L19[00:24:03] <The_Stargazer> windows is stupid.
L20[00:24:26] <CompanionCube> alternatively
L21[00:24:37] <CompanionCube> perhaps drive is kill?
L22[00:24:53] <The_Stargazer> works on other devices
L23[00:25:06] <CompanionCube> oh
L24[00:25:28] <The_Stargazer> and it does work in a usb 3 port... if "work" includes "unable to actually use"
L25[00:27:03] <The_Stargazer> oh now it works in a usb 2 port.. same issues.
L26[00:27:13] <The_Stargazer> i guess i could try rebooting
L27[00:32:05] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/4887c644dd8792ba7fec8c25cd3def79559bc06fd142dcaddcc12f725de25eed.jpg https://social.shadowkat.net/media/f1c9769ddfc25ba0bce8d8bcc2addf1aa16da6af9508d2e4cb2837353b7ceab1.jpg
L28[00:32:39] <The_Stargazer> nope, not even reboot works :I
L29[00:48:45] <Elfi> Yorhaaaaa
L30[00:53:08] <The_Stargazer> the drive could be kill because other drives work..
L31[00:53:24] <The_Stargazer> but I don't get why it works in other devices
L32[00:53:35] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> what means 160x50 as max resolution? 160x50 T3 monitors?
L33[00:53:48] <Izaya> 160x50 characters
L34[00:53:53] <The_Stargazer> ^
L35[00:54:02] <The_Stargazer> is it height/width or width/height?
L36[00:54:07] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> ah ok, well, but what is then the max sized T3 screen?
L37[00:54:12] <Izaya> Width by height
L38[00:54:14] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> 10x10 or 20x10?
L39[00:54:17] <Izaya> 8x6 blocks
L40[00:54:23] <Izaya> I believe
L41[00:54:38] <The_Stargazer> it's configurable though
L42[01:28:57] <Forecaster> %tonkout
L43[01:28:57] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You gotta tonk before you can tonk out. For this transgression the timer has been reset.
L44[01:29:15] <Forecaster> Oh
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L46[01:59:00] <CompanionCube> Izaya: well, now discord has blatantly lied about feature sup[ort
L47[01:59:18] <CompanionCube> also apparently even their electronshit apparently has cross-platform disparity
L48[01:59:19] <Izaya> Oh?
L49[01:59:46] <asie> what'd i miss
L50[02:01:29] <CompanionCube> Izaya: asie: they advertised a streaming feature as something 100% of users could use
L51[02:01:42] <CompanionCube> turns out it's windows-only whoops
L52[02:03:08] <CompanionCube> (also, apparently the electronshit doesn't do spellcheck on linux. I guess that's an advantage of the web client? ;p)
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L54[02:04:43] <Izaya> Nice
L55[02:06:36] <CompanionCube> this was a serious comment: '100% of the users who could use it'
L56[02:06:47] <CompanionCube> tautological comment is tautological.
L57[02:07:29] <CompanionCube> (oh, and apparently 'windows' might not include 'windows 7')
L58[02:08:14] <The_Stargazer> WHAT
L59[02:08:17] <The_Stargazer> MY USB WORKS NOW
L60[02:08:33] <The_Stargazer> windows is weird
L61[02:12:07] <Izaya> CompanionCube: oh so it only supports what
L62[02:12:12] <Izaya> 40% of installs? nice
L63[02:12:18] <The_Stargazer> so apparently trying to rename a folder.. breaks it, again.
L64[02:12:42] <CompanionCube> https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360036344171-Spellcheck-on-linux this just makes it sadder
L65[02:14:09] <Izaya> tfw have to click through ublock warnings
L66[02:14:11] <Izaya> nice
L67[02:14:56] <Izaya> lmao good to see they're listening to community feedback
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L69[02:19:10] <The_Stargazer> Renaming folders shouldn't break everything...
L70[02:19:11] <The_Stargazer> but hey, that's Windows for you.
L71[02:19:33] <CompanionCube> Izaya: imagine being electronshit and still being this bad at cross-platformness
L72[02:19:44] <CompanionCube> perhaps the hardware is more to blame
L73[02:19:50] <Izaya> seems average for electronshit tbh
L74[02:20:01] <Izaya> it's low effort so anything that takes more than the minimum doesn't get done
L75[02:20:08] <The_Stargazer> okay, if I let it just load it works.
L76[02:20:15] <The_Stargazer> but i'm not going to attempt to rename the folder.
L77[02:20:29] * CompanionCube will enjoy firefox's spellchecking
L78[02:21:37] <CompanionCube> (also, given the library is already used/works elsewhere...wouldn't this be less than the minimum\0
L79[02:22:47] <Izaya> guessing
L80[02:22:50] <Izaya> something didn't work
L81[02:22:55] <Izaya> for an arbitrary reason
L82[02:23:08] <Izaya> but it worked on what their managers would test on
L83[02:23:10] <Izaya> so they shipped it
L84[03:04:37] <The_Stargazer> chrome appears to always hang a download when it's complete
L85[03:04:37] <The_Stargazer> ..another reason why chrome is stupid
L86[03:05:14] <The_Stargazer> `60.3/60.3 MB, 0 secs left`
L87[04:19:14] <Bob> File checking usually
L88[04:19:34] <Bob> or some anti virus thing
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L93[05:51:32] <Test> what
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L95[06:13:52] <Bob> yes what
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L99[07:46:50] <MihaChehov> о,зашёл
L100[07:48:20] <Inari> Yeah, that
L101[07:52:45] <Bob> Yes
L102[08:00:29] <AdorableCatgirl> CompanionCube: W7 doesn't support spell check, only Windows 10. Something something spellcheck API
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L104[08:01:59] <AdorableCatgirl> Spellcheck doesn't even work on Android correctly :^) It just freaks out.
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L106[08:17:41] <Izaya> AdorableCatgirl: https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/00d6aaa6-df0d-4718-8a08-ccfa5cf98e06/Jmh3A5MrSYq8MJB254nagQ.mp4
L107[08:18:07] <Izaya> Listen to that horrid sandpaper whine q_q
L108[08:19:15] <AdorableCatgirl> Izaya: can't rn
L109[08:20:02] <Kodos> I'm out of the loop, what can I do with these 'Lumens' from Keybase
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L112[09:11:27] <Saphire> Kodos: give them to me!
L113[09:11:41] <Saphire> ...seriously I had some random just request them from me. FFS
L114[09:13:53] <Saphire> wait
L115[09:13:58] <Saphire> there's no way to report an user?
L116[09:31:12] <Forecaster> what's Lumens?
L117[09:35:40] <Lizzy> some cryptocurrency thing that keybase teamed up with or something?
L118[09:39:06] <Forecaster> ah
L119[09:49:35] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/309529094452936705/622790692640522259/FB_IMG_1568554678165.jpg
L120[09:55:37] <Forecaster> %sip
L121[09:55:44] <MichiBot> You drink a light void potion (New!). The sun turns into a giant baby face for a second. It's horrific.
L122[09:55:53] <Forecaster> agh
L123[10:06:33] <Inari> %sip
L124[10:06:33] <MichiBot> You drink a resonating white potion (New!). The bottle turns into an apple.
L125[10:06:44] * Inari eats it
L126[10:06:46] <Inari> Oh wait
L127[10:06:49] <Inari> I'm not supposed to eat today
L128[10:11:04] <AmandaC> Why not?
L129[10:21:13] * AmandaC paws at Inari "Why can't you eat?"
L130[10:21:48] <Inari> AmandaC: It's a fasting day!
L131[10:22:01] <AmandaC> I see
L132[10:22:04] * Elfi munches on fishburger, shares with Amanda
L133[10:22:11] <Forecaster> it's kind of slow actually
L134[10:22:20] * AmandaC politely declines, cuddles Elfi anyway
L135[10:22:28] * AmandaC is a weird kitteh that doesn't like fish
L136[10:22:43] <Elfi> Oh :o Okay
L137[10:22:46] * Elfi noms fishburger
L138[10:22:54] <AdorableCatgirl> borger
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L141[11:26:00] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/db7496d8-64bf-4e52-a2ad-78e4536e4985/NMaoBu8eShKzKmgVWvhn8w.jpg
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L144[11:48:59] <Inari> Elfi: I've been trying to feed her fish for gaes!
L145[11:49:01] <Inari> *ages
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L147[12:13:18] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L148[12:13:19] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 10 hours, 44 minutes and 21 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.01074)
L149[12:13:18] <MichiBot> Voldemort! CompanionCube! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 10 hours, 44 minutes and 21 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L150[12:23:46] <FeherNeoH> w...wat?
L151[12:24:00] <FeherNeoH> noone tonked for 10 hours after a tonkout???
L152[12:25:26] <CompanionCube> apparently
L153[12:29:07] <asie> yeah
L154[12:30:17] <Inari> %sip
L155[12:30:17] <MichiBot> You drink a fragrant rock potion (New!). Inari feels slightly slower.
L156[12:30:42] <Inari> %warp
L157[12:30:43] <MichiBot> You end up in a dimension populated by pigs.
L158[12:30:49] <Inari> Tasty
L159[12:33:05] <CompanionCube> %loot
L160[12:33:05] <MichiBot> CompanionCube: You get a loot box! It contains a Magic Lua 5.5 interpreter! (25%) (25%)
L161[12:33:11] <CompanionCube> ooh, nice
L162[12:35:22] <AdorableCatgirl> %loot
L163[12:35:24] <MichiBot> AdorableCatgirl: You get a loot box! It contains a picture of a crudely drawn appendage. (100%)
L164[12:35:31] <AdorableCatgirl> %inv list
L165[12:35:31] <MichiBot> AdorableCatgirl: Here's my inventory: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/inventory
L166[12:36:55] <AdorableCatgirl> %inv add JIT DRM
L167[12:36:56] * MichiBot summons 'JIT DRM' and adds to her inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L168[12:37:45] <AdorableCatgirl> %inv add Cross-platform platform specific cross-platform code
L169[12:38:00] <AdorableCatgirl> huh there's a cooldown to inv add
L170[12:38:02] <AdorableCatgirl> kewl
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L172[12:40:21] <Forecaster> I wonder why :P
L173[12:40:41] <Forecaster> %Inv count
L174[12:40:58] <Forecaster> %inv count
L175[12:40:59] <MichiBot> The inventory contains 396 items.
L176[12:41:06] <Forecaster> That's why
L177[12:41:12] <AdorableCatgirl> we almost to 400
L178[12:41:32] <Forecaster> Maybe I should purge it
L179[12:41:35] <AdorableCatgirl> noooo
L180[12:41:50] <AdorableCatgirl> i don't wanna lose the all new 2001 Isuzu Trooper
L181[12:42:19] <Forecaster> Delete anything older than a year
L182[12:42:51] <AdorableCatgirl> >49 years ago
L183[12:43:19] <AdorableCatgirl> also cmon
L184[12:43:24] <AdorableCatgirl> we need to get to 500
L185[12:43:55] <AdorableCatgirl> %inv add Cross-platform platform specific code
L186[12:43:55] * MichiBot summons 'Cross-platform platform specific code' and adds to her inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L187[12:44:05] <AdorableCatgirl> yes it is michibot
L188[12:44:07] <AdorableCatgirl> yes it is
L189[12:46:29] <CompanionCube> maybe whenever you add something
L190[12:46:41] <CompanionCube> something else goes missing from the inventory
L191[12:46:50] <CompanionCube> (or has a chance to)
L192[12:47:35] <AdorableCatgirl> %loot Izaya
L193[12:47:35] <MichiBot> AdorableCatgirl: You stab Izaya! It dropped a broken .tif. (100%)!
L194[12:47:44] <AdorableCatgirl> yikes
L195[12:48:01] <CompanionCube> %loot AdorableCatgirl
L196[12:48:44] <AdorableCatgirl> you have FAILED
L197[12:52:23] <CompanionCube> %loot AdorableCatgirl
L198[12:52:23] <MichiBot> CompanionCube: You stab AdorableCatgirl! It dropped a sealed unmarked canister. (100%)!
L199[12:52:31] <CompanionCube> what's inside
L200[12:54:33] <AdorableCatgirl> 36 TB of foxgirl hentai
L201[12:55:54] <Forecaster> %sip
L202[12:55:54] <MichiBot> You drink a solid ocean potion (New!). Forecaster's toes turn invisible until they say the word "Blatherskite".
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L205[13:06:40] <Zef> I got an adding machine from 1919
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L210[13:17:26] <Zef> Is rs.getBundledInput() supposed to return a table?
L211[13:17:36] <Zef> And are the values supposed to be like 254?
L212[13:18:03] <Bob> it returns a table ?
L213[13:18:07] <Bob> iirc
L214[13:18:12] <Bob> ive used charset wires
L215[13:18:17] <Zef> http://tinyurl.com/yxgwvnvw
L216[13:18:26] <Zef> I'm using projectred
L217[13:18:45] <Zef> White seems to be [0] and for some reason is 254 when on
L218[13:21:28] <Zef> I might have to use cc, I've got no idea why oc is doing that
L219[13:21:57] <FeherNeoH> it does that because:
L220[13:22:13] <FeherNeoH> 1: project red uses 0-255 instead of 0-15
L221[13:22:23] <Zef> It's based off of binary
L222[13:22:26] <FeherNeoH> 2: you get a table when you don't specify the color to read
L223[13:22:39] <Zef> I swear it used to just give the number value
L224[13:22:44] <Zef> Rather than this table
L225[13:23:08] <FeherNeoH> rs.getBundledInput(sides.left, color.white)
L226[13:23:16] <FeherNeoH> and it will only give you one value
L227[13:23:37] <Zef> Well I need the whole range of the cable
L228[13:23:46] <Zef> And the number itself is much more useful to me
L229[13:23:53] <FeherNeoH> but...
L230[13:23:55] <FeherNeoH> what?
L231[13:24:04] <FeherNeoH> you read 16 wires
L232[13:24:18] <FeherNeoH> are you expecting a bitfield or what?
L233[13:24:19] <Zef> And why would it's behavior be white = 254, orange = 253 and so on
L234[13:24:42] <Zef> I'm going to make a redstone CPU and don't feel like buiding a ton of memory for it
L235[13:24:45] <FeherNeoH> that's because signal strength decreases by 1 every block
L236[13:25:00] <Zef> How in the world does that make *any* sense at all
L237[13:25:03] <FeherNeoH> and you have orange one block farther than white
L238[13:25:30] <FeherNeoH> try it, switch up white and orange where you are sending the signals fronm
L239[13:25:32] <FeherNeoH> *from
L240[13:25:47] <FeherNeoH> white will be 253, orange will be 254
L241[13:26:13] <FeherNeoH> if you have more than 254 blocks of cabling, you won't get any signal
L242[13:26:18] <Zef> What the fuck
L243[13:26:23] <FeherNeoH> that's how project red works
L244[13:26:41] <FeherNeoH> signal falls just like on regular redstone
L245[13:26:46] <Zef> I thought that projectred had no signal degregation
L246[13:26:49] <FeherNeoH> but you have 256 steps, not 16
L247[13:27:18] <FeherNeoH> yes, it has
L248[13:27:35] <FeherNeoH> but it's way less noticable unless you are using it with computers
L249[13:27:37] <AdorableCatgirl> yea it do
L250[13:27:51] <FeherNeoH> one rarely uses analog over project red anyways
L251[13:28:05] <asie> project red has signal degradation, absolutely
L252[13:28:11] <asie> charset wires do too
L253[13:28:17] <AdorableCatgirl> i wanted to but i realized it's not a great idea
L254[13:28:25] <asie> i think bluepower was the only one which truly had no degradation. not sure about redlogic.
L255[13:28:27] <FeherNeoH> I use it
L256[13:28:30] <FeherNeoH> but it's a pain
L257[13:28:52] <asie> signal degradation allows for significant performance optimizations, which is why mods generally continue to utilize it
L258[13:28:56] <FeherNeoH> (I use it for my railway station, 16 parallel switches controlled by a single color)
L259[13:29:01] <asie> without it, the only other option is building graphs, and that's Hard
L260[13:29:41] <FeherNeoH> even more so when doing it inside the game
L261[13:30:03] <FeherNeoH> when you have a separate process handling the whole signaling system, it's way less painful
L262[13:30:14] <Zef> okay so I think I know how I can work around it
L263[13:30:25] <Zef> just gonna be a lot bigger of a pain, and probably why I didn't do this before
L264[13:30:53] <FeherNeoH> just bitshift them into a single number as logic values instead of numbers
L265[13:31:07] <FeherNeoH> then drop the table reference
L266[13:31:44] <Zef> I'm going to iterate through the table from 0 to 15, and change the values into 0 and 1. Then multiply it by 2 to the power of the table position
L267[13:31:49] <Zef> And use that for an array of memory
L268[13:32:07] <FeherNeoH> or just bitshift it together
L269[13:32:17] <Zef> Bitshifting sometimes confuses me
L270[13:32:19] <FeherNeoH> and you won't even need to keep an array
L271[13:32:23] <Zef> I'm not in the most thinky mood right now
L272[13:32:33] <AdorableCatgirl> i finally have become powerful
L273[13:32:39] <FeherNeoH> Sometimes it helps that I normally use C/ASM
L274[13:32:51] <AdorableCatgirl> i have SO MANY ROUNDS FOR MY REVOLVER
L275[13:33:01] <AdorableCatgirl> and i have a RIOT SHIELD
L276[13:33:34] <Zef> Well the array is to store the redstone CPU's memory
L277[13:33:44] <FeherNeoH> *opens the wardrobe*
L278[13:33:48] <Zef> And then I figure I can write something to let me easily view it and manipulate it
L279[13:34:03] <FeherNeoH> who needs a revolver when I have a katana and a G36 (airsoft) right here?
L280[13:38:13] <AdorableCatgirl> tbh i need to get a fox
L281[13:38:28] <FeherNeoH> I need to get an IRL fox
L282[13:48:19] <CompanionCube> Izaya: https://i.redd.it/uex8ljqcfjl31.png
L283[13:52:49] <Kleadron> don't give me power http://tinyurl.com/y3tdfcvu
L284[13:55:09] <FeherNeoH> I didn't even try it on my GTX 760 yet
L285[14:03:09] <Zef> oh
L286[14:03:12] <Zef> oh no
L287[14:03:33] <Zef> so the redstone_changed event returns the number value of the world side it's on
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L289[14:03:51] <Zef> But the rs.getBundledInput expects the number value in relation to the case
L290[14:04:24] <FeherNeoH> w....
L291[14:04:27] <FeherNeoH> what?!?!
L292[14:04:31] <asie> wonder if that's a bug
L293[14:04:48] <FeherNeoH> Let's just say OpenOS is Windows based
L294[14:04:55] <FeherNeoH> and thus it's inconsistent
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L296[14:09:11] <Zef> https://pastebin.com/uzd091jL
L297[14:09:38] <Zef> So I originally used relative sides for the variables at the top
L298[14:09:57] <Zef> Then realized those don't match with the numbers I was getting back from the event, so I changed them
L299[14:10:18] <Zef> And then now rs.getBundledInput isn't working because it's expecting relative directions
L300[14:12:09] <AdorableCatgirl> http://tinyurl.com/yyrhg4jh
L301[14:12:10] <AdorableCatgirl> http://tinyurl.com/y6zzwrxx
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L307[15:23:24] <Kleadron> >Let's just say OpenOS is Windows based
L308[15:23:24] <Kleadron> >and thus it's inconsistent
L309[15:23:24] <Kleadron> idk just about every linux distro ive seen isn't that much better compared to windows' inconsistancy
L310[15:23:28] <Kleadron> > Let's just say OpenOS is Windows based
L311[15:23:28] <Kleadron> > and thus it's inconsistent
L312[15:23:28] <Kleadron> idk just about every linux distro ive seen isn't that much better compared to windows' inconsistancy [Edited]
L313[15:28:57] <AdorableCatgirl> i'd beg to differ
L314[15:29:35] <FeherNeoH> anything that lets one theme GTK apps can be automatically considered inconsistent
L315[15:36:03] <AdorableCatgirl> fair
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L320[18:04:17] <AmandaC> %choose cheezburger or kinda-cheezburger?
L321[18:04:27] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Elementary dear Watson, "cheezburger" is the obvious choice!
L322[18:06:42] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> Hey, I am just starting right now, with my planned programm and want to know, if I would write my own libs or smth. similar, if I should put special files into special folders.
L323[18:06:42] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> E. g. in /home only the executable file and under /lib and/or /usr other files, which are needed for my programm or can I also just go ahead and putting the hole thing in /home/myProgamm ?
L324[18:07:20] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> Hey, I am just starting right now, with my planned programm and want to know, if I should write my own libs or smth. similar, if I should put special files into special folders.
L325[18:07:21] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> E. g. in /home only the executable file and under /lib and/or /usr other files, which are needed for my programm or can I also just go ahead and putting the hole thing in /home/myProgamm ? [Edited]
L326[18:07:44] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> Hey, I am just starting right now, with my planned programm and want to know, if I should write my own libs or smth. similar, into special folders.
L327[18:07:44] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> E. g. in /home only the executable file and under /lib and/or /usr other files, which are needed for my programm or can I also just go ahead and putting the hole thing in /home/myProgamm ? [Edited]
L328[18:08:43] <Bob> @Marcel|Chaoschaot234 in OpenOS, user libs usually go in /usr/lib
L329[18:08:58] <Bob> But you can put anywhere package.path points to
L330[18:09:08] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> ok
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L332[18:11:05] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> could you give me a good example structure so that I am be able to export it later, if I am done with my programm and thinking, that it should be made public?
L333[18:11:33] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> Better to have such a structure from the beginning instead of doing it to late ^^
L334[18:12:21] <Bob> I just give files and point libs, you can make installers
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L336[18:14:44] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> Uhm, what are point libs?
L337[18:14:53] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> or do you mean pointing to a lib file?
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L340[18:17:31] <Bob> tell to user to get x lib
L341[18:17:50] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> now I am confused X.X
L342[18:19:21] <Izaya> Marcel: /usr/lib for libraries, /usr/bin for executables
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L345[18:19:37] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> and what can go into /home?
L346[18:19:45] <Izaya> ideally, nothing
L347[18:19:45] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> config files?
L348[18:19:50] <Izaya> config files go in /etc
L349[18:20:05] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> ah ok
L350[18:20:59] <Izaya> /home is the user's home folder and shouldn't be touched by programs unless expressly instructed to
L351[18:21:00] <Bob> the way anything is done in linux cause its good
L352[18:21:05] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> then I must first create a folder called /lib since usr/lib does not exists an in those folders I can create a subfolder with my program name, rigth?
L353[18:21:18] <Izaya> mkdir /usr/lib /usr/bin
L354[18:21:24] <Bob> ^
L355[18:21:30] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> then I must first create a folder called /lib since usr/lib does not exists and in those folders I can create a subfolder with my program name, rigth? [Edited]
L356[18:21:34] <Izaya> and I'm not sure how require interacts with subfolders sorry
L357[18:21:50] <Bob> isnt it with .
L358[18:21:59] <Bob> like . = /
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L360[18:23:14] <Bob> And having a folder in lib with your nick is good to seprarate libraries from you and others
L361[18:25:56] <CompanionCube> Izaya: well
L362[18:26:02] <CompanionCube> per-user config files could go in /home
L363[18:26:11] <CompanionCube> but openos doesn't really have the concepts needed for that
L364[18:26:24] <Bob> no real users
L365[18:26:31] <Bob> just /home
L366[18:26:44] <Bob> we need manjaro within OC
L367[18:26:55] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> manjaro?
L368[18:27:01] <Bob> ?
L369[18:27:11] <CompanionCube> nah, why not ~install gentoo~
L370[18:27:20] <Bob> Arch Linux mmm
L371[18:27:33] <Izaya> please
L372[18:27:37] <Izaya> anything but less stable arch
L373[18:27:42] * Izaya bans manjaro
L374[18:28:01] <CompanionCube> also didn't they have package install scripts that had rather important issues
L375[18:28:09] <Bob> I still have no idea wich distro to pick
L376[18:28:38] <CompanionCube> well, what do you want from one/
L377[18:29:59] <CompanionCube> Izaya: re manjaro, look at https://gitlab.manjaro.org/packages/core/manjaro-system/blob/master/manjaro-update-system.sh lol
L378[18:34:33] <Bob> all i really need is working nvidia drivers tbh and being better than windows in most aspects
L379[18:34:55] <Bob> compiling on windows still gives me nightmares
L380[18:35:01] <Bob> :clap:
L381[18:37:51] <Izaya> I mean, something ubuntu-derived would probably fit
L382[18:51:41] <AdorableCatgirl> >working nvidia drivers
L383[18:51:44] <AdorableCatgirl> sorry those don't exist
L384[18:51:46] <AdorableCatgirl> anywhere
L385[18:54:40] <Izaya> ^
L386[18:54:50] <Izaya> https://torrentfreak.com/platform-exclusives-could-boost-piracy-uk-govt-report-notes/
L387[18:55:07] <AdorableCatgirl> Izaya: click click click click click the bomb has been planted click click click click click terrorists win click click click click click
L388[18:55:27] <AdorableCatgirl> the glock is the ultimate weapon
L389[19:09:34] <Izaya> HSPA+ makes me wanna die
L390[19:12:27] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> is there a way, to test/write your program out of minecraft?
L391[19:12:38] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> and yes, I have access to the server files
L392[19:13:21] <Izaya> Marcel: ocvm
L393[19:13:42] <Izaya> https://github.com/payonel/ocvm
L394[19:14:35] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> uhm, nice but is there an already compiled executable and not smth. which runs like linux?
L395[19:14:52] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> because I play on windows ^^
L396[19:15:12] <Izaya> that is going to be a no, it's uh
L397[19:15:18] <Izaya> it doesn't work on windows
L398[19:15:26] <Izaya> you could try under WSL I guess, apparently that works
L399[19:16:12] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> and what about the debian for windows from the store which I use instead of connecting over putty to my root?
L400[19:16:43] <Izaya> >to your root
L401[19:16:46] <Izaya> [concern]
L402[19:16:53] <Izaya> but that's either WSL or WSL2 so it's worth a shot I guess
L403[19:17:06] <CompanionCube> Izaya: today on ukpol: the PM's plan of openly defying the law of the land and the expressed will of our sovereign parliament
L404[19:17:12] <CompanionCube> continues
L405[19:17:32] <Izaya> CompanionCube: if he gets impeached before trump I'm going to be mildly incensed
L406[19:17:36] <Izaya> I'll lose $5
L407[19:17:53] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> would you help me to set it up correctly Izaya?
L408[19:17:55] <CompanionCube> does the bet literally say impeachement
L409[19:18:02] <CompanionCube> because if it does you can't ever wib
L410[19:19:03] <CompanionCube> the PM can be forced out by a vote of confidence though, and he doesn't have the votes to win any that gets called
L411[19:19:06] <Izaya> I mean I'm mostly joking but my mum and I have been arguing over whether brexit will happen before trump gets booted for a while
L412[19:19:30] <Izaya> Marcel: I can have a go, but I have no knowledge of the quirks of WSL
L413[19:20:42] <AmandaC> %8ball rain time?
L414[19:20:43] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Ask again later
L415[19:20:52] <AmandaC> Rain time
L416[19:20:58] <AmandaC> %8ball put the laptop away?
L417[19:20:58] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Outlook not so good
L418[19:21:02] <AmandaC> okay
L419[19:22:14] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> wait ... Makefile will automaticly be used when I do "make ocvm" isn't this right?
L420[19:22:27] <Izaya> make reads the Makefile yes
L421[19:22:46] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> nice, then I should only need to clone/copy the hole repro
L422[19:22:57] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> and install dependencies for compiling before
L423[19:23:19] <Izaya> that's uh
L424[19:23:22] <Izaya> usually the case
L425[19:23:31] <Izaya> sometimes you have to do ./configure and that'll make the makefile
L426[19:23:40] <Izaya> but ocvm doesn't have a configure script
L427[19:23:44] <The_Stargazer> ^
L428[19:24:33] <CompanionCube> Izaya: don't forget 'make install' sometimes
L429[19:24:46] <The_Stargazer> or 'make build' (I think?)
L430[19:25:09] <CompanionCube> (plain 'make' will run whatever target is defined as 'all')
L431[19:25:30] <The_Stargazer> and if there's no 'all' target?
L432[19:26:47] <CompanionCube> 'Make will look for a Makefile called Makefile and will build the default target, the first target in the Makefile.'
L433[19:27:14] <The_Stargazer> ah
L434[19:27:22] <CompanionCube> the 'all' thing is apparently just a GNU convention
L435[19:28:13] <The_Stargazer> so if the targets are defined as, say.. build, install, ..., will running just 'make' run the 'build' target?
L436[19:28:25] <CompanionCube> yep
L437[19:28:27] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> oh and I am correct that I must manually add other mods lua files, when I need them, rigth?
L438[19:28:44] <Izaya> other mods' lua files?
L439[19:28:53] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> immersive engineering
L440[19:28:58] <The_Stargazer> uh
L441[19:29:03] <The_Stargazer> OC will hook into it automatically iirc
L442[19:29:17] <Izaya> well uh
L443[19:29:26] <Izaya> ocvm probably won't have the relevant components emulated
L444[19:29:33] <The_Stargazer> oh, yeah
L445[19:29:39] <The_Stargazer> ocvm can't do that as far as I know
L446[19:29:55] <Izaya> though, you asked for write/test your software
L447[19:30:16] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> well, for gui testing it is still fine
L448[19:30:30] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> as I could add the relevant content after all is finished and working well
L449[19:30:42] <Izaya> you can edit the files in your world save
L450[19:30:54] <Izaya> .minecraft/saves/worldname/opencomputers/disk-uuid/
L451[19:30:56] <The_Stargazer> if you plan to edit it while mc is running, turn off file buffering
L452[19:30:59] <Izaya> ^
L453[19:31:06] <The_Stargazer> saves a lot of time
L454[19:31:15] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> ok
L455[19:31:26] <Izaya> The_Stargazer: what if I told you you only need to pull and reinsert the drive with it turned on
L456[19:31:30] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> well, uploading it to pastee/pastebin should do the trick with updateing it
L457[19:31:32] <The_Stargazer> w h a t
L458[19:31:52] <Izaya> the config option is, I believe, bufferChanges
L459[19:31:56] <The_Stargazer> although, won't that cause issues if OpenOS is running on that drive?
L460[19:32:00] <Izaya> well yes
L461[19:32:10] <Izaya> but you only need to reboot the computer, not minecraft
L462[19:32:34] <The_Stargazer> why are changes buffered anyway?
L463[19:32:48] <Izaya> so you can't hammer the server with I/O
L464[19:32:59] <Izaya> wouldn't want someone writing 1 byte every tick to an SSD
L465[19:33:13] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> ok, to be directly: What I want is to write my stuff in an IDE with such support like IntellIJ it does or like VC-Studio does or similar IDEs
L466[19:33:28] <The_Stargazer> uhhh
L467[19:33:34] <The_Stargazer> elaborate please
L468[19:33:58] <Izaya> SSDs have a limited number of write cycles
L469[19:34:03] <Izaya> and it's in cells of like, 512 bytes
L470[19:34:13] <Izaya> so you want to minimise writes
L471[19:34:21] <CompanionCube> isn't that overstated a little nowadays?
L472[19:34:21] <Izaya> sane OSes do significant write caching
L473[19:34:24] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> if you write a pice of code with functions, that referneces functions from other files which are included over "require" that you can use autocompleate and so on
L474[19:34:26] <The_Stargazer> no, I meant about the IDE thing
L475[19:34:33] <Izaya> oh okay carry on
L476[19:35:03] <The_Stargazer> are the maximum write cycles for HDDs usually lower or higher
L477[19:35:19] <CompanionCube> the concept doesn't exist for HDDs
L478[19:35:28] <CompanionCube> because they're not flash
L479[19:35:30] <The_Stargazer> so HDDs have theoretically infinite write cycles?
L480[19:35:38] <Izaya> but they do have mechanical wear, which kills them eventually
L481[19:35:41] <CompanionCube> ^
L482[19:36:11] <Izaya> Marcel: I don't know anything about Lua support in IDEs, but I do know you can interact directly with the files
L483[19:36:26] <Izaya> I believe a number of people use VS Code for it
L484[19:36:26] <The_Stargazer> if you want a Lua IDE there's ZeroBrane Studio
L485[19:36:32] <Izaya> but that's a web browser so no thanks
L486[19:36:40] <Izaya> (VS Code, that is)
L487[19:36:49] <The_Stargazer> which is worse, Atom or VS Code?
L488[19:37:07] <Izaya> they're both a web browser
L489[19:37:12] <Izaya> I don't see the difference
L490[19:37:40] <The_Stargazer> wait so the fact that atom uses node doesn't bother you?
L491[19:37:55] <CompanionCube> it's all electronshit
L492[19:38:05] <The_Stargazer> is electron a node thing
L493[19:38:15] <Izaya> electron is chrome and nodejs without window decorations
L494[19:38:46] <The_Stargazer> firefox electron when
L495[19:39:08] <CompanionCube> i mean
L496[19:39:12] <CompanionCube> xulrunner used to be a thing
L497[19:39:16] <Izaya> servo exists
L498[19:39:22] <Izaya> which was compatible with the CEF
L499[19:39:23] <CompanionCube> which was basically the same concept
L500[19:39:27] <The_Stargazer> call it neutron :^)
L501[19:39:40] <CompanionCube> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XULRunner
L502[19:39:55] <Izaya> maybe we should neutralise electron :^)
L503[19:40:07] <Izaya> wait that makes it significantly heavier
L504[19:40:28] <Izaya> electrons are like hundreds of times lighter than neutrons
L505[19:40:39] <Izaya> if I remember my high-school physics classes correctly
L506[19:40:42] <The_Stargazer> use a positron
L507[19:41:04] <Izaya> that's illegal
L508[19:41:12] * Izaya applies antimatter to The_Stargazer
L509[19:41:47] <The_Stargazer> how much?
L510[19:42:08] <Izaya> one atom
L511[19:42:11] <Izaya> :^)
L512[19:42:18] <Izaya> is that how that works
L513[19:42:25] <The_Stargazer> hmm
L514[19:42:55] <The_Stargazer> about 15 nanograms have been produced
L515[19:43:21] <The_Stargazer> i have no idea how many atoms that is
L516[19:43:34] <Izaya> more than one
L517[19:44:56] <Izaya> I was just wondering, does anti-matter exist in multi-part things like atoms or
L518[19:45:35] <The_Stargazer> well, there's probably anti-atoms
L519[19:45:50] <Izaya> antoms
L520[19:45:56] <The_Stargazer> iirc there are anti-protons and anti-neutrons
L521[19:48:00] <Izaya> https://www.pine64.org/2019/09/05/september-update-the-pinephone-is-real-shipping-soon/
L522[19:48:02] <Izaya> h y p e
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L524[19:56:25] <AdorableCatgirl> Izaya: HYPE
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L526[20:04:42] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> https://github.com/IgorTimofeev/GUI <<< oh, doesn't knewed that a good gui exists
L527[20:04:46] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> should try this out
L528[20:05:06] <Izaya> >MineOS related
L529[20:05:10] <Izaya> oh nonononono
L530[20:06:22] <Izaya> that stuff is fast and decent but VERY heavy
L531[20:08:18] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> well, I won't use the heavy aspect from it so no double buffer as long as my wanted graphs are fast enough
L532[20:09:33] <Izaya> someone should do some memory profiling of it some time
L533[20:10:38] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> yeah but what I want is simple gui thing but writing an own lib is for me not that easy in lua ^^
L534[20:12:18] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> hardest part would be the live graph for the 6 generators, which should run as single task Izaya
L535[20:13:07] <Izaya> term API window + timer (if polling) or event listener
L536[20:14:14] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> ok
L537[20:14:27] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> https://imgur.com/C7lLaJE <<< this is what it should looks like, after all is written
L538[20:15:45] <Marcel|Chaoschaot234> and to make it less perfomance eeating I wanted to search for the component (e. g. the generators) and adding the correct graph/diagram per component but this should be simply done over "pairs/ipairs" if I am not wrong
L539[20:18:09] <Izaya> you'd want to find the components and stick the ones you want in a table, then iterate over them each time
L540[20:19:45] <Izaya> hm, can't find the docs on multiple windows :|
L541[20:20:14] <Izaya> I used it in here https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-misc/src/branch/master/minitel-chat/chat.lua
L542[20:21:11] <Izaya> you could make a window for each section and run a coroutine to update each window
L543[20:21:50] <Izaya> lets you do all the drawing with VT100 control codes
L544[20:43:09] <AdorableCatgirl> Izaya: We need to make a huge old mass storage silo
L545[20:44:53] <Izaya> store what
L546[20:44:59] <Izaya> we talkin storage drawers?
L547[20:46:52] <AdorableCatgirl> oh i meant a big ol silo we could store stuff in and request stuff from using a computer
L548[20:47:14] <Izaya> even better
L549[20:47:25] <Izaya> IE crates + drones
L550[20:48:31] <Izaya> 10584 slots per 3 rows
L551[20:48:43] <Izaya> assuming a 14x14 interior
L552[20:48:48] <Izaya> oh, not quite
L553[20:49:38] <Izaya> 10530 because you need a gap for the drone to move between the rows
L554[20:51:20] <AdorableCatgirl> IE?
L555[20:51:22] <AdorableCatgirl> oH
L556[20:51:24] <AdorableCatgirl> yeah
L557[20:51:38] <AdorableCatgirl> also IE crates would let us do a silo still i think
L558[21:02:23] <CompanionCube> Izaya: TIL that impeachment nominally exists in the UK
L559[21:02:30] <CompanionCube> though apparently it hasn't happened since 1806.
L560[21:19:26] <Izaya> Hah?
L561[21:21:42] <CompanionCube> though it seems to be not the term-ender it is in the US
L562[21:23:29] <AdorableCatgirl> a *term*inator
L563[21:27:01] <Izaya> https://github.com/SergiX44/XBackBone
L564[21:27:20] <Izaya> There are people that use ShareX here, right?
L565[22:25:27] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L566[22:25:31] <MichiBot> I'm sorry CompanionCube, you were not able to beat CompanionCube's record of 10 hours, 44 minutes and 21 seconds this time. 10 hours, 12 minutes and 11 seconds were wasted! Missed by 32 minutes and 9 seconds!
L567[22:25:42] <CompanionCube> goddammif
L568[22:26:43] <Izaya> ouch
L569[22:28:19] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/o/1568599679498.jpg
L570[22:36:02] <CompanionCube> %juggle
L571[22:36:05] * MichiBot juggles with more spiked pudding, a fairy, & a tiny packet of dreams
L572[22:36:06] * MichiBot doesn't drop anything
L573[22:36:07] <MichiBot> I did it!
L574[22:47:34] <CompanionCube> %loot
L575[22:47:37] <MichiBot> CompanionCube: You get a loot box! It contains a Magic pink packet of powder! (25%) (25%)
L576[22:47:58] * CompanionCube sprinkles it over everyone
L577[22:48:36] <Izaya> today's dumb E:D ship build:
L578[22:48:51] <Izaya> a mamba with the beefiest engines available, with 100% fixed weapons
L579[22:48:59] <Izaya> can go as fast backwards as most ships can go forwards
L580[22:49:05] <Izaya> so point at them, fire, full reverse
L581[23:13:45] <Ariri> Izaya: I use ShareX, why?
L582[23:14:02] <Izaya> link I posted immediately after
L583[23:14:13] <Izaya> ez self-hosted destination for it
L584[23:14:15] <Ariri> oh yeah just looked
L585[23:14:30] <Ariri> i might look into that actually
L586[23:15:05] <Ariri> neat
L587[23:16:03] <Izaya> oh, immediately before
L588[23:16:07] <Izaya> close enough
L589[23:18:23] <Ariri> %drink
L590[23:18:25] <MichiBot> You drink a light quicksilver potion (New!). Ariri's nails turn the color of rock for 8 moons.
L591[23:18:37] <Izaya> %drunk
L592[23:18:54] <Ariri> heh
L593[23:19:06] <Mimiru> Izaya, nice, if I didn't already point my ShareX to my nextcloud I'd use the heck out of that
L594[23:19:33] <Izaya> :D
L595[23:19:39] <Ariri> that reminds me i should make a nextcloud
L596[23:19:52] <Ariri> especially since my onedrive takes up 500 gigs on my disk
L597[23:20:07] <Ariri> 400 of which are anime series for amvs...
L598[23:20:57] <Izaya> does that mean you're like
L599[23:20:58] <Izaya> paying for it
L600[23:21:02] <Izaya> horrifying
L601[23:21:18] <Ariri> it comes with office 365 so eh
L602[23:22:16] <Izaya> when I was in HS I used Google Drive as a backup destination because I had no storage limit
L603[23:22:57] <Ariri> nice
L604[23:22:57] <Ariri> wait does drive have desktop support?
L605[23:23:08] <Izaya> no idea
L606[23:23:15] <Ariri> hmm
L607[23:23:56] <Ariri> i think it might but honestly its be a hard manage with my 6 google accounts
L608[23:24:13] ⇦ Quits: ba7888b72413a16a (ba7888b72413a16a!~ba7888b72@66.109.211.150) (Quit: https://i.imgur.com/xacQ09F.mp4)
L609[23:29:28] ⇨ Joins: ba7888b72413a16a (ba7888b72413a16a!~ba7888b72@66.109.211.150)
L610[23:42:46] <Izaya> I used some tool to upload individual files
L611[23:42:57] <Izaya> gdrive is a shitshow
L612[23:43:08] <Izaya> Multiple version support is neat tho
L613[23:51:56] <Ariri> Tru
L614[23:52:40] <Ariri> Is there any limits to Nextcloud? Like a speed or size limit per time interval or is it like a proxy for self-hosting
L615[23:54:15] <Ariri> Are*
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