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L1[11:38:03] ⇨ Joins: Neo (Neo!~Neo@eos.pc-logix.com)
L2[11:38:09] <Mimiru> Oh
L3[11:38:16] <Bob> fooled
L4[11:38:16] <Mimiru> There he is.
L5[11:38:16] <Mimiru> welp, who knows how long that was down.
L6[11:38:16] <Mimiru> answer, roughly 2 days
L7[11:38:16] <Forecaster> all of time, and none of it!
L8[11:38:17] <Mimiru> ffs.
L9[11:38:20] <Forecaster> https://youtu.be/6YozL_Mg3Tk?t=384
L10[11:38:20] <MichiBot> Better Than Minecon 2016 - Opening Ceremony | length: 14m 6s | Likes: 15 Dislikes: 2 Views: 1,394 | by Corjaantje | Published On 2/1/2016
L11[11:38:27] <Bob> N~~SA~~ EO is spying again on us
L12[11:38:30] <Forecaster> polyzium ^
L13[11:38:53] <Forecaster> that shows the video thingy asie made I think
L14[11:39:05] <Bob> bad apple
L15[11:39:54] <Forecaster> more concrete example (same video) https://youtu.be/6YozL_Mg3Tk?t=464
L16[11:39:55] <MichiBot> Better Than Minecon 2016 - Opening Ceremony | length: 14m 6s | Likes: 15 Dislikes: 2 Views: 1,394 | by Corjaantje | Published On 2/1/2016
L17[11:40:35] <Inari> Stil waiting fro charset
L18[11:41:35] <polyzium> Is that 160x50?
L19[11:41:51] <Forecaster> possibly
L20[11:41:54] <polyzium> I'm talking about his 320x200 codec
L21[11:41:56] <polyzium> lemme send a link
L22[11:42:00] <polyzium> https://git.asie.pl/asie-minecraft/Nadeshicodec/src/branch/master/lua/rin.lua
L23[11:42:03] <polyzium> oops
L24[11:42:05] <polyzium> full source link
L25[11:42:36] <ayangd> Can a robot differentiate different floppies?
L26[11:43:20] <Forecaster> floppies have ids
L27[11:43:47] <Bob> ^
L28[11:44:03] <Bob> their filesystem component addresses are different
L29[11:44:05] <Bob> so component proxy
L30[11:44:09] <Bob> or mnt if open ops is here
L31[11:44:15] <Bob> or mnt if openos is here [Edited]
L32[11:44:48] <ayangd> Ah, yes.. Right..
L33[11:47:45] <payonel> @Bob copying over natives for oc won't work. oc verifies the natives before loading them
L34[11:48:54] <payonel> @tell th3freddy your issue with oc and natives on ubuntu -- this issue is important to me. please make a github issue or contact me here again to discuss
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L36[11:49:20] <EveryOS> %help
L37[11:49:20] <MichiBot> EveryOS: Command list: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/help
L38[11:50:46] <polyzium> Only on ubuntu?
L39[11:50:52] <polyzium> Why is ubuntu having so much trouble recently
L40[11:51:10] <payonel> i run ubuntu without issue, and it isn't only ubuntu
L41[11:51:19] <Mimiru> payonel, %tell, not @tell :P
L42[11:51:24] <payonel> agris has the same issue, on denvua...or something like that
L43[11:51:43] <payonel> %tell @tell tell the thing for me
L44[11:51:43] <MichiBot> payonel: @tell will be notified of this message when next seen.
L45[11:51:50] <Mimiru> ._.
L46[11:51:52] <payonel> %tell th3freddy your issue with oc and natives on ubuntu -- this issue is important to me. please make a github issue or contact me here again to discuss
L47[11:51:52] <MichiBot> payonel: th3freddy will be notified of this message when next seen.
L48[11:51:53] <payonel> :)
L49[11:51:53] * Mimiru pokes payonel
L50[11:51:58] <Mimiru> lol
L51[11:52:05] <polyzium> Seems fine for me
L52[11:52:12] <payonel> polyzium: fine for me as well :)
L53[11:52:18] <payonel> but i need to figure out what is going on
L54[11:53:29] <polyzium> Can you debug?
L55[11:53:41] <payonel> i could, but i dont have a repro
L56[11:56:01] <polyzium> payonel, remember last time we talked about the cursor in my client thingy?
L57[11:56:32] <polyzium> Is there any way to make it blink slowly without affecting events?
L58[11:57:03] <payonel> polyzium: it's probably not an issue to slow down blinking with the latest openos
L59[11:57:33] <polyzium> Yeah but your cursor code is tied to events right
L60[11:58:30] <polyzium> If I try to slow it down, keyboard polling also slows down
L61[11:59:21] <payonel> "cursor code is tied to events" no, not really
L62[11:59:25] <payonel> there are layers of indirection
L63[11:59:48] <payonel> but there was a bug that the "current" pulling event coroutine was disrupting the lowest timeout
L64[11:59:57] <payonel> so anyways, with the latest version of openos, you should be fine
L65[12:00:43] <polyzium> I'll try putting cursor blinking into a coroutine and see
L66[12:05:08] <payonel> polyzium: it already is
L67[12:05:09] <payonel> :)
L68[12:05:13] <payonel> everything is a coroutine
L69[12:05:19] <payonel> that's not the point i was trying to make
L70[12:05:48] <payonel> get the latest builds from our dev server and test a slower cursor, let me know if it is an issue
L71[12:07:39] <Bob> what is the coroutine switch order
L72[12:07:47] <Bob> im wondering how does it switches from many coroutines
L73[12:08:22] <payonel> switch order? at its core there is a call to pairs to cycle registrants
L74[12:08:28] <payonel> so, it is "unordered"
L75[12:09:18] <polyzium> I'm currently playing on a server rn
L76[12:09:23] <polyzium> so can't download (yet)
L77[12:09:49] <bauen1> payonel: btw if you have too much time a slight explanation of the magic behind 'cursor.read' would be helpfull
L78[12:11:47] <polyzium> The problem is that if I have a second handleEvent() with blinkCursor(0.5) in it, it pulls all the screen data in half a sec
L79[12:12:03] <polyzium> I want it to pull all the time but remain the cursor to blink at 0.5
L80[12:13:38] <polyzium> and if I use the function as is the printing stuff derps
L81[12:13:48] <polyzium> So I'm kinda lost now
L82[12:31:37] <Ariri> %choose eBay or Amazon
L83[12:31:37] <MichiBot> Ariri: Out of these two choices? I'd say "Amazon".
L84[12:31:50] <Ariri> Tch
L85[12:37:10] <EveryOS> %choose Minecraft with necessary computer mods or Terraria
L86[12:37:10] <MichiBot> EveryOS: My grandfather always told me that "Minecraft with necessary computer mods" is the way to go!
L87[12:39:03] <EveryOS> With the computer mods, MC rules, otherwise, it is Terraria, even though I have an out of date XBox version.
L88[12:41:51] <Bob> ~~ho dare you not play modded terraria~~
L89[12:43:30] <payonel> polyzium: you want to pull data all the time, without affecting the cursor, and you want that handler to also print?
L90[12:44:29] <payonel> bauen1: the cursor doesn't have docs partially because docs for it would take a lot of work, but also because i'm not in love with its current form. i think i can clean it up further
L91[12:44:50] <polyzium> payonel, other function does the printing, not handleEvent()
L92[12:44:55] <payonel> but the main benefit of the cursor lib was to allow applications to define custom cursor behavior, without having to reimplement a lot of what the cursor does
L93[12:45:00] <polyzium> But roughly speaking yes
L94[12:45:06] <payonel> polyzium: but the same coroutine?
L95[12:45:41] <payonel> polyzium: the reason i ask is because multithreading is simple, unless you're also trying to print
L96[12:45:54] <polyzium> Same coroutine yes
L97[12:45:59] <payonel> it is best to have 1 thread manage user input/output
L98[12:46:11] <polyzium> Because if I do in separate threads everything starts to derp
L99[12:46:17] <payonel> yeah, derpy
L100[12:46:23] <payonel> i have good plans to improve that, btw
L101[12:46:27] <payonel> make it more realisitic
L102[12:46:30] <payonel> but not today
L103[12:47:04] <payonel> polyzium: so does your system take user input?
L104[12:47:11] <polyzium> Yes, using events
L105[12:47:19] <payonel> ah
L106[12:47:30] <payonel> you want to use events, but with cursor blinking
L107[12:47:34] <payonel> but not for io.read()
L108[12:47:50] <polyzium> io.read() doesn't IMMEDIATELY send the character after receiving it
L109[12:47:53] <AmandaC> %8ball chair?
L110[12:47:54] <MichiBot> AmandaC: I don't think that's a question...
L111[12:48:00] <AmandaC> %8ball steal chair?
L112[12:48:00] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Reply hazy, try again
L113[12:48:02] <bauen1> payonel: that's why i'm asking lol
L114[12:48:10] <payonel> polyzium: oh you specifically want key codes, not just any event?
L115[12:48:10] <AmandaC> bah
L116[12:48:14] <polyzium> Yeah
L117[12:48:16] <polyzium> key codes
L118[12:48:21] <polyzium> Once a key is received it gets sent
L119[12:48:31] <payonel> yeah. openos io could really use a raw mode
L120[12:48:32] <polyzium> Not just a string like io.read()
L121[12:49:15] <bauen1> if i'm understanding everything correctly 'cursor.read' does the event dispatching and 'cursor.echo' does the magic of displaying the cursor ?
L122[12:49:50] <bauen1> and handle does some more magic to append pressed keys onto the buffer ?
L123[12:49:56] <payonel> bauen1: yes. cursor has 4 functions: read, echo, move, and handle
L124[12:50:25] <payonel> oh and update ... i need to check the code
L125[12:51:58] <bauen1> i think that does the actually appending of the buffer and doing the right move
L126[12:52:05] <payonel> ah yep. read() returns the data (btw, for polyzium's concern, cursor read is where the raw input mode would go)
L127[12:52:09] <polyzium> Actually my client code is quite shit, I should do a rewrite at some point
L128[12:52:46] <payonel> echo should be the only place output is written. move is for logical movement of the cursor data and offset, and update is to update its internal buffer
L129[12:53:44] <payonel> bauen1: cursor.read reads until a newline in the buffer, splits at the newline, and returns the first part
L130[12:54:12] <payonel> cursor is the "keyboard driver", the idea was to separate the tty from the internals of keyboard events
L131[12:54:28] <payonel> so cursor.read takes events and handles them until there is a "line" of input
L132[12:55:02] <bauen1> that makes sense, thanks a lot
L133[12:55:09] <bauen1> %tonk
L134[12:55:10] <MichiBot> Consarn it! bauen1! You beat Lizzy's previous record of 2 hours, 11 minutes and 48 seconds (By 1 hour, 2 minutes and 32 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L135[12:55:11] <MichiBot> bauen1's new record is 3 hours, 14 minutes and 20 seconds! bauen1 also gained 0.00312 (0.00104 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L136[12:55:30] <payonel> polyzium: in the future, you would be able to switch the input mode to raw, and get each key code, not line
L137[12:55:41] <Mimiru> %msp
L138[12:55:43] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mimiru 1237.0ms
L139[12:55:48] <Mimiru> ._.
L140[12:55:52] <Mimiru> %msp
L141[12:55:53] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mimiru 508.0ms
L142[12:55:59] <payonel> polyzium: but for today, you can write some code that will likely break in future openos updates, if that is okay with you
L143[12:56:01] <Forecaster> that's a lot of miniseconds
L144[12:56:59] <ayangd> *mini*seconds
L145[12:57:21] <Mimiru> %msp
L146[12:57:22] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mimiru 504.0ms
L147[12:57:31] <Mimiru> butwhythough.gifv
L148[12:57:51] <polyzium> payonel, so should I leave it as-is or use cursor's read thingy?
L149[12:58:31] <payonel> polyzium: do you have oc open and can test something?
L150[12:58:37] <payonel> @msp
L151[12:58:42] <payonel> %msp
L152[12:58:43] <MichiBot> Ping reply from payonel 417.0ms
L153[12:58:50] <Forecaster> well it's not tinyseconds
L154[12:58:53] <Forecaster> or ts
L155[12:59:02] <Mimiru> %p
L156[12:59:03] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mimiru 0.52s
L157[12:59:08] <payonel> %p
L158[12:59:09] <MichiBot> Ping reply from payonel 0.48s
L159[12:59:18] <payonel> %mimiru
L160[12:59:21] <Mimiru> I wonder if something is limiting MichiBot's timing..
L161[12:59:22] <payonel> hmm. not a command
L162[12:59:28] <polyzium> payonel, Yep I do
L163[12:59:40] <Forecaster> it's all the counting she has to do for tonks
L164[12:59:49] <Forecaster> definitely
L165[13:00:21] <polyzium> This new stuff right now is undocumented
L166[13:00:44] <payonel> polyzium: imagine you have an event handler: `local function event_handler(...) end`
L167[13:00:59] <payonel> polyzium: correct, undocumented because i need to be free to change it
L168[13:01:14] <payonel> but, the changes i make will be similar enough that you should be able to adapt it
L169[13:01:20] <payonel> "should" :)
L170[13:01:55] <polyzium> Nothing special about event handlers
L171[13:02:00] <polyzium> they are jsut copied from the docs
L172[13:02:06] <payonel> but, try this (again, might change): term.read( { handle = function(self, ...) event_handler(...) return self.super.handle(self, ...) end } )
L173[13:02:27] <payonel> polyzium: THAT wasn't the part that would change, my term read's handle is the "not promised" part
L174[13:06:35] <polyzium> What should that do?
L175[13:06:43] <polyzium> For me it just takes a string
L176[13:06:49] <polyzium> like how io.read() would behave
L177[13:06:56] <payonel> it should call event handler for every event that occurs during the term.read
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L183[13:08:07] <Mimiru> gotta save my nicks groupings :P
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L185[13:08:19] <polyzium> So in order to read from the socket I need to emit an event from it or what
L186[13:08:51] <polyzium> TCP connections don't emit events or do they
L187[13:09:20] <polyzium> Or maybe I'm just tired and having trouble understanding
L188[13:09:50] <payonel> the code i gave you provides you a hook, an access, into the internal workings of the cursor
L189[13:10:06] <payonel> right now openos doesn't have a "raw mode" io -- which irl is how we read all key codes
L190[13:10:43] <payonel> this handle hook sample i gave you lets you see the events right when the cursor keyboard-driver is getting them
L191[13:13:05] <Forecaster> Mimiru is a creature of many names
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L193[13:26:56] <polyzium> payonel, yep I can see the events but the whole thread seems to be stuck on this read thing
L194[13:26:59] <polyzium> so it's blocking
L195[13:27:02] <polyzium> What's the point
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L199[13:39:31] <payonel> polyzium: press enter
L200[13:39:48] <polyzium> Tried multiple times
L201[13:39:57] <payonel> or, return false when you want it to end
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L203[13:40:44] <payonel> polyzium: don't print or do anything "cursor" with your event_handler(), btw
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L205[13:42:02] <polyzium> I'm just sending stuff to the socket
L206[13:42:04] <polyzium> nothing else
L207[13:42:30] <payonel> what socket?
L208[13:42:53] <polyzium> the TCP socket
L209[13:43:08] <polyzium> sock.write()
L210[13:43:20] <payonel> well anyways, the handle code i provided should do what you need
L211[13:43:32] <payonel> when you want the term.read to finish, you can have your custom handle method return false
L212[13:43:49] <polyzium> So send the letter and then return false
L213[13:44:38] <payonel> 'sending the letter' i assume is your own event_handler's decision
L214[13:44:47] <payonel> but yes, if handle returns false, the read will end
L215[13:45:07] <polyzium> handleEvent() calls key_down() handler
L216[13:45:23] <polyzium> and key_down() sends characters to the socket
L217[13:45:24] <payonel> sounds like youre talking about your own user code
L218[13:46:33] <payonel> you can also specify `pwchar = ''` if you don't want term to echo the chars
L219[13:46:51] <payonel> so, term.read( { handle = ...., pwchar = '' } )
L220[13:47:21] <polyzium> It still gets blocked. wtf
L221[13:47:38] <payonel> works for me :shrug:
L222[13:47:50] <payonel> are you using a recent build of oc?
L223[13:47:59] <polyzium> Lemme check which version
L224[13:48:19] <polyzium> 1.7.4.153
L225[13:48:40] <payonel> release builds? i thought i mentioned you should be using dev builds
L226[13:49:00] <polyzium> YOu did but I'm on a server right now
L227[13:49:08] <polyzium> so I can't install anything
L228[13:49:39] <payonel> well, you can patch it, but, i bet it should still work on 153, let me check something
L229[13:51:41] <Kaos> hi m8
L230[13:52:12] <Kaos> in latest version of oc when i type 'rs right 15' the screen (tier 3) stop working
L231[13:52:27] <Kaos> can't type anything until i break the item and replace the screen
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L233[13:53:56] <Bob> @Kaos because when the screen gets a redstone signal, it turns off
L234[13:54:07] <Bob> so your screen is on the right and you turn it off
L235[13:54:08] <Kaos> ok lol
L236[13:54:16] <Bob> Yea
L237[13:54:23] <polyzium> payonel, what does self.super.handle do
L238[13:54:40] <polyzium> Superclass's handle() of sorts?
L239[13:54:43] <payonel> yes
L240[13:54:52] <polyzium> Why is that needed
L241[13:55:47] <payonel> it's not, but if you dont call it, you'll need to decide for yourself when to return true or false from handle
L242[13:56:02] <AmandaC> ... why does minecraft have a recipie to turn 3 string into 4?
L243[13:56:14] <payonel> the handle code worked for me on 153's version of the code, sorry
L244[13:56:16] <polyzium> I replaced that with return false and it doesn't block but I get lots of derps
L245[13:56:28] <polyzium> Maybe I'm screwing something up
L246[13:56:46] <AmandaC> wait, I can count. 3 into 2
L247[13:58:03] <polyzium> I tried putting return false into both handleEvent() and key_down() but term.read still blocks stuff
L248[13:58:36] <payonel> i dont see why your own methods return false would have any impact on returning from cursor.handle
L249[13:59:02] <polyzium> However instead of returning that super function I returned false
L250[13:59:09] <polyzium> and doesn't block anymore
L251[13:59:19] <payonel> if you return falsey from cursor.handle, that'll end the read
L252[13:59:30] <polyzium> but in exchange I got a lot of derps
L253[13:59:56] <polyzium> Like pressing the up arrow key gives me the vietnamese letter D
L254[14:00:14] <payonel> this is all your own user code's issues
L255[14:00:42] <payonel> btw, term.read() returns nil when the cursor.handle terminates the read (i.e. returns false)
L256[14:02:35] <polyzium> payonel, oops. Apparently your event handler doesn't return keyboard address
L257[14:02:39] <polyzium> That's why I got derps
L258[14:02:46] <payonel> oh yeah...
L259[14:03:12] <polyzium> Now everything works fine
L260[14:03:16] <payonel> cool :)
L261[14:03:22] <polyzium> I gotta test some live ncurses apps before I push
L262[14:03:52] <payonel> polyzium: again, handle may change in the future
L263[14:05:21] <polyzium> Alright so
L264[14:05:28] <polyzium> I don't need that blinking cursor code anymore
L265[14:05:35] <polyzium> Everythign works fine
L266[14:05:42] <polyzium> only reads from socket on demand
L267[14:08:24] <polyzium> phew
L268[14:08:29] <polyzium> Almost melted my brain
L269[14:08:33] <polyzium> but glad to see it working
L270[14:10:26] <polyzium> payonel, thank you a lot man
L271[14:11:00] <polyzium> Also we should work together on doing all the VT100 rules so it can pass vttest testing program
L272[14:11:06] <Inari> %pet payonel
L273[14:11:07] * MichiBot pets payonel with A sense of dread. 8 health gained!
L274[14:20:05] <Kaos> can i assign in the server rack all sides to a server?
L275[14:21:30] <ben_mkiv> no only one
L276[14:21:37] <Kaos> rip
L277[14:21:38] <Kaos> ok
L278[14:24:45] <Inari> %pet Temia
L279[14:24:50] <Inari> %pet Temia
L280[14:24:51] * MichiBot brushes Temia with (╯°□°）╯hahahahahaha╯）°□°╯). 1 health gained!
L281[14:24:58] <Inari> o.o
L282[14:25:00] <Inari> Creepy
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L285[15:05:37] <Inari> TIL that this is a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvCfVkKZiO0
L286[15:05:37] <MichiBot> 25m Men's Rapid Fire Pistol final - Munich 2013 ISSF World Cup | length: 39m 36s | Likes: 24,965 Dislikes: 5,778 Views: 7,923,761 | by ISSF - International Shooting Sport Federation | Published On 28/5/2013
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L288[15:18:51] <Inari> AmandaC: I found perfection
L289[15:19:18] <Bob> Hmm
L290[15:19:36] <AmandaC> Inari: oh?
L291[15:19:50] <Inari> AmandaC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvmC-leoj9U
L292[15:19:50] <MichiBot> （羊羔毛斗篷)Weaving a Cloack with Fluffy and Soft Lambswool, Never Dread Winter Anymore|Liziqi Channel | length: 5m 49s | Likes: 305,111 Dislikes: 2,162 Views: 6,349,754 | by 李子柒 Liziqi | Published On 19/3/2019
L293[15:27:09] <Izaya> good news everyone!
L294[15:27:11] <Izaya> no work today
L295[15:42:41] <Inari> AmandaC: Where do I get that MC mod
L296[15:42:50] <AmandaC> Inari: which one?
L297[15:42:56] <Inari> The one from the vid I linked
L298[15:42:56] <Inari> :f
L299[15:43:21] <AmandaC> oh, the wool thing? No idea. :D
L300[15:43:48] <Inari> Preferably with VR and beautiful graphics
L301[15:46:45] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L302[15:46:45] <MichiBot> I'm sorry CompanionCube, you were not able to beat bauen1's record of 3 hours, 14 minutes and 20 seconds this time. 2 hours, 51 minutes and 35 seconds were wasted! Missed by 22 minutes and 45 seconds!
L303[15:46:49] <CompanionCube> :(
L304[15:51:09] <Inari> AmandaC: You don't seem to agree with it being perfection though
L305[15:51:27] <AmandaC> Inari: didn't watch it all yet, currently watching something on my own
L306[15:51:35] <Inari> Ah :p
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L308[16:07:22] <Inari> payonel / AmandaC: https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/c5n78l/adorable_kitten_getting_a_scrub/
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L310[16:22:04] <AmandaC> Inari: brushie-brushie
L311[16:22:45] <EveryOS> %warp europe
L312[16:22:45] <MichiBot> You end up in a dimension populated by fish shark girls.
L313[16:23:24] <Forecaster> I guess I could make that accept arguments
L314[16:23:37] <Forecaster> or maybe this is good
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L316[16:55:31] <Joco223> Does `filesystem.remove` remove everything from inside the directory too?
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L321[18:05:00] <Kodos> %warp
L322[18:05:00] <MichiBot> You end up in a dimension inhabited by water.
L323[18:05:08] <Kodos> Welp
L324[18:20:45] <AmandaC> By water, eh?
L325[18:43:55] <Skye> %sip random
L326[18:43:55] <MichiBot> You drink a bubbly emerald potion (New!). Skye looks confused as nothing happens.
L327[18:44:00] <Skye> %warp
L328[18:44:00] <MichiBot> You end up in a world inhabited by clowns.
L329[18:44:05] <Skye> No.
L330[18:44:08] <Skye> %warp
L331[18:44:09] <MichiBot> You end up in a dry world.
L332[18:44:14] <Skye> Eh
L333[18:44:19] <Skye> %warp
L334[18:44:19] <MichiBot> You end up in a dimension populated by lava goat boys.
L335[18:44:26] <Skye> %sip random
L336[18:44:26] <MichiBot> You drink a seeping bavarium potion (New!). It tastes sour.
L337[18:44:31] <Skye> Ew
L338[18:44:33] <Skye> Goodnight
L339[18:52:15] <Mimiru> %sip random
L340[18:52:15] <MichiBot> You drink a gloopy octiron potion (New!). Mimiru now has a mullet for 30 minutes.
L341[18:52:21] <Mimiru> ...
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L345[20:09:12] <EveryOS> I am not done writing my new GUI scoring system. I feel like it will be a huge improvement over my previous blitting approach, but it probably still won't be perfect. First of all, it is only going to use set for now, secondly, just a few random characters could throw it off from the quickest solution. Obviously, I will eventually get to optimizing it now, but for now, I wish to finish a basic approach.
L346[20:09:38] <EveryOS> I am not done writing my new GUI scoring system. I feel like it will be a huge improvement over my previous blitting approach, but it probably still won't be perfect. First of all, it is only going to use set for now, secondly, just a few random characters could throw it off from the quickest solution. Obviously, I will eventually get to optimizing it, but for now, I wish to finish a basic approach. [Edited]
L347[20:10:29] <EveryOS> It is quite annoying how the IRC shows edit's by reprinting the entire message with the edits, meaning that the message essentially gets shown multiple times on the screen.
L348[20:11:39] <Izaya> Just don't make mistakes :^)
L349[20:11:53] <Izaya> or correct them like a normal person, by repeating the short part that was wrong and putting a * at the end
L350[20:12:42] <EveryOS> Discord has an "edit" button, and I tend to forget that it doesn't work that well with the IRC until after I make the edit.
L351[20:13:21] <EveryOS> *At least I didn't go back and edit the word "edit's" to be "edits" in my one message*
L352[20:15:08] <Izaya> Well, it'd just send another message saying "replace message x with this new version, y" to the client
L353[20:15:40] <EveryOS> I was once told it shows all of the edits on the IRC
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L355[20:15:45] <EveryOS> or something
L356[20:18:30] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/zdujMiU.png
L357[20:20:05] <EveryOS> Yea, it redisplayed my one message.
L358[20:20:18] <Izaya> Two messages :^)
L359[20:21:24] <Izaya> No such thing as message deletion, either. Deleting a message is just another message saying to delete a message.
L360[20:21:35] <EveryOS> (:
L361[20:22:02] <EveryOS> I think deletions appear in Discord's audit logs anyways? Or am I mistaken?
L362[20:22:07] <CompanionCube> y u no sort buffers
L363[20:22:18] <Izaya> Dunno, never used Discord myself.
L364[20:22:23] <Izaya> CompanionCube: sorted by network.
L365[20:24:15] <CompanionCube> https://imgur.com/a/1Kwtw6I you can also see me not bothering to /part dead channels
L366[20:24:29] <EveryOS> /part
L367[20:24:41] <EveryOS> What does that do
L368[20:24:50] <Izaya> departs a channel
L369[20:24:53] <CompanionCube> well /part is the opposite of /join
L370[20:25:02] <EveryOS> Ah, ok
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L372[20:36:45] <EveryOS> Gonna test out my new GUI drawing method. Here is hoping that there is not too much debugging that needs done!
L373[20:37:48] <EveryOS> Ok, CTRL+ALT+C is terminate, right? It is not working, gonna have to turn off the thing and repower.
L374[20:38:38] <EveryOS> Ok, first error, field buffer is nil, wow.
L375[20:38:57] <EveryOS> Ah, I see
L376[20:39:44] <EveryOS> Now data is nil
L377[20:39:44] <EveryOS> Ok, hopefully not everything is nil.
L378[20:39:46] <agris> payonel,
L379[20:40:02] <agris> payonel, do you got any more builds for me to test
L380[20:40:24] <agris> payonel, also, don't know if this could be the cause, but a while back in the linux ecosystem there was a big change
L381[20:40:46] <agris> it was either the switch to GCC 5 to 6 or 6 to 7
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L383[20:40:54] <agris> I think 6 to 7
L384[20:41:14] <agris> the big change was an ABI switch in the way binaries are stored
L385[20:41:53] <agris> I think the switch was the linux world switching to ELF executables rather than a.out executable
L386[20:42:01] <agris> not sure if that could be the issue
L387[20:43:13] <CompanionCube> agris: no
L388[20:43:23] <CompanionCube> GCC5 was a C++ ABI change
L389[20:43:38] <CompanionCube> also
L390[20:43:45] <CompanionCube> >using a.out executables for anything ever
L391[20:43:48] <CompanionCube> what decade is this
L392[20:45:12] <CompanionCube> 'Linux also used a.out until kernel 1.2 (March 1995), when it was superseded by ELF for that platform as well' huh, thought it was earlier.
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L394[20:51:22] <agris> hmm
L395[20:51:29] <agris> this server doesn't track idle times
L396[20:51:44] <Izaya> %seen agris
L397[20:51:44] <MichiBot> agris has not been seen
L398[20:51:48] <Izaya> neat
L399[20:51:53] <agris> CompanionCube, well Gentoo hasn't switched to it till like last year
L400[20:52:04] <agris> %seen payonel
L401[20:52:05] <MichiBot> payonel was last seen 24d 2h 56m 36s ago. Joining
L402[20:52:15] <CompanionCube> %seen CompanionCube
L403[20:52:15] <MichiBot> CompanionCube was last seen 10h 37m 56s ago. Quitting
L404[20:52:34] <CompanionCube> agris: i remember rebuilding @world for 17.0 + GCC
L405[20:52:35] <agris> payonel, when you get the chance, I finished setting up your dev machine. just ssh root@206.212.234.149 with your key
L406[20:53:56] <agris> please be mindful of disk space
L407[20:54:35] <Izaya> >The RC’s crankshaft was assembled from 13 individual pieces with extreme precision using jigs that weighed more than the entire bike’s 250 or so pounds.
L408[20:54:38] <agris> otherwise it's 8G of namespaced bare-metal with 48 cores allocated so builds won't take long
L409[20:54:54] <CompanionCube> wow
L410[20:54:57] <CompanionCube> such power
L411[20:55:01] <CompanionCube> many cores
L412[20:55:56] <agris> cpu and ram I have, disc space not so much
L413[20:56:17] <Izaya> tfw only 15TB disk
L414[20:57:09] <CompanionCube> Izaya: more disk than me :p
L415[20:57:22] <agris> lzaya, how redundant?
L416[20:58:03] <Izaya> that's raw, it's in RAID5 so I only get 12TB usable space
L417[20:58:12] <Izaya> and that's an I not an l
L418[20:58:24] <agris> oh
L419[20:58:30] <Izaya> may I suggest using a font that differentiates better
L420[20:58:35] <agris> you really shouldn't use raid5
L421[20:58:46] <agris> it's dangerous
L422[20:58:48] <CompanionCube> depends on disk size, no?
L423[20:58:49] <Izaya> I should use RAID6 but $$$
L424[20:59:17] <agris> well raid6 is better than raid5 but ideally you'd use a multi-block-device aware filesystem like OpenZFS or HAMMER2
L425[20:59:44] <CompanionCube> i think Izaya is more a btrfs person
L426[20:59:47] <agris> that also has silent corruption detection via checksumming, and the ability to correct them
L427[20:59:49] <Izaya> apparently btrfs' multi-device support is fairly mature now
L428[20:59:58] <agris> CompanionCube, btrfs is not stable
L429[21:00:06] <agris> nor do it's modes make any practical sense
L430[21:00:17] <CompanionCube> Izaya: RAID5/6 is still somewhat shit though, no?
L431[21:00:17] <Izaya> but when I set it up it was not, so ext4 over md
L432[21:00:25] <agris> I've literally raid a btrfs in raid1 corrupt itself
L433[21:00:25] <Izaya> CompanionCube: depends who you ask
L434[21:00:55] <CompanionCube> isn't RAID1 supposed to be one of the good bits
L435[21:01:22] <agris> the only thing btrfs has over zfs is the ability to expand existing non-mirrors
L436[21:01:28] <agris> which, will come to zfs in the future
L437[21:01:46] <CompanionCube> agris: i mean, you can also expand single-disks to mirrors
L438[21:01:52] <CompanionCube> but that's being pedantic :p
L439[21:01:55] <Izaya> I'll use btrfs when it's in the main tree :^)
L440[21:01:59] <Izaya> s/btrfs/zfs/
L441[21:01:59] <MichiBot> <Izaya> I'll use zfs when it's in the main tree :^)
L442[21:01:59] <agris> CompanionCube, well you can already do that in zfs
L443[21:02:14] <CompanionCube> agris: that's my point
L444[21:02:17] <agris> mirrors in zfs are just fancy raid1s, unless it's a mirror of a nested raidz
L445[21:02:37] <CompanionCube> Izaya: so you'll use bcachefs eventually then?
L446[21:02:47] <Izaya> bcachefs sounds interesting
L447[21:02:50] <agris> If I were you, I wouldn't ever put any data i cared about losing on btrfs
L448[21:03:02] <CompanionCube> agris: you don't need to tell me
L449[21:03:08] <Izaya> t. been using btrfs without incident since 2014 or so
L450[21:03:16] <CompanionCube> lookup 'btrfs' in the logs :
L451[21:03:27] <agris> lzaya with how many disk failures or corrupted sectors?
L452[21:03:51] <CompanionCube> (okay, it was not entirely btrfs's fault and it does have good recovery tools.)
L453[21:03:51] <agris> and have you verified externally your files have not changed?
L454[21:04:31] <agris> CompanionCube, again, my experience with modern btrfs is having a raid1 corrupt itself after testing yanking 1 one the disks while the system was off, and powering it back on
L455[21:04:45] <agris> when it powred back on not even the btrfs recovery tools could save the filesystem
L456[21:04:52] <agris> despite it being a fully balanced raid1
L457[21:05:20] <agris> if a filesystem can't even do a raid1 right I have absolutely no faith in it's ability to do anything even slightly more complex
L458[21:06:29] <agris> and if you actually look at the way the other raidlevels work at the block level in btrfs you wouldn't want to put your data there either. unless you running balance after every single transaction, if the right disk fails at the worst possible moment even your multi-redudant array will fault
L459[21:07:03] <agris> btrfs , as least in the state it's in right now; a gimmick like most hipster javascript frameworks nowadays
L460[21:10:04] <agris> it's really a wonder how it ever got into a linux release rather than staying in the beta or rc kernels
L461[21:15:06] <Gary Gygax> does anyone know when ther Server Rack as added to Open Computers and is it compatible with 1.7.10?
L462[21:17:15] <Gary Gygax> @Zef
L463[21:21:36] <Gary Gygax> @Kodos yo bud
L464[21:21:47] <Gary Gygax> I have a question for yo
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L467[21:40:32] <Kodos> Shoot
L468[21:40:56] <Kodos> @Gary Gygax
L469[21:41:46] <Kodos> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L470[21:57:18] <Gary Gygax> @Kodos if there is an issue with OC what do i do
L471[22:07:52] <Kodos> Depends on the issue
L472[22:08:07] <Kodos> Generally you check GitHub to see if it’s known
L473[22:08:13] <Kodos> Or ask about it here
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L475[22:11:48] <Kodos> However ask me soon because I’m going to sleep in a bit.
L476[22:12:04] <Kodos> And won’t receive highlights
L477[22:23:51] <Gary Gygax> no its fine
L478[22:24:01] <Gary Gygax> go to bed, the issue was resolved by magic i guess
L479[22:24:05] <Gary Gygax> because now it all works
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L482[23:35:53] <payonel> agris: cool, thanks! i'll see what i can learn
L483[23:36:04] <payonel> agris: also, like izaya, i've been using btrfs since around 2014
L484[23:36:09] <payonel> it has worked very very well for me
L485[23:36:23] <agris> payonel, make sure you backup your shit then
L486[23:37:24] <payonel> yeah, i do. but like i said, i've been using it for over 5 years. no incident, works great
L487[23:37:45] <payonel> i swear, it'll be 20 years from now and people will stay love to hate and distrust btrfs
L488[23:38:25] <payonel> s/stay/still/
L489[23:38:25] <MichiBot> <payonel> i swear, it'll be 20 years from now and people will still love to hate and distrust btrfs
L490[23:38:30] <agris> It's only been 5 months since dealing with my last btrfs catastrophic failure
L491[23:38:48] <agris> on known good disks and hardware
L492[23:39:02] <agris> in a lab environment
L493[23:39:22] <agris> on a recent stable kernel
L494[23:39:53] <payonel> what was the failure?
L495[23:40:57] <agris> complete unrepairable filesystem corruption rendering the filesystem unmountable and irrecoverable
L496[23:41:10] <payonel> yeah, but what was the failure?
L497[23:41:53] <agris> I don't know why it failed
L498[23:42:09] <agris> I didn't persue that
L499[23:42:50] <payonel> what kind of "lab environment" does one have when they don't investigate a failure?
L500[23:42:52] <agris> well I did a little but I wasn't going to waste time pulling out a kernel debugger after heading the raw disks, checking logs, dmesgs, and running fsck rooling didn't work
L501[23:43:23] <agris> I determined that the filesystem was not stable enough after that
L502[23:43:38] <payonel> it doesn't take a kernel debugger or logs. you can inspect a btrfs pool with just btrfs tools. there are very detail analysis tools that tell you what type of failure occurred and where
L503[23:47:45] <ben_mkiv> whoever made the new curseforge design.... deserves a special place in some UI Design School
L504[23:48:21] <Mimiru> Oh what in the fuck?
L505[23:48:43] <ben_mkiv> why is the footer not at the end of the page? xD
L506[23:52:14] <ben_mkiv> https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/915910-game-mods-curseforge/suggestions/38018446-revert-back-to-the-old-layout-on-curseforge "The new one looks like simplified garbage." xD
L507[23:58:23] <agris> uh ok
L508[23:58:27] <agris> *uh oh
L509[23:58:29] <agris> what happened
L510[23:58:40] <agris> did they turn it into a tablet interface or something?
L511[23:58:45] * agris dares to look
L512[23:59:24] <ben_mkiv> it looks like they parsed curse.com layout through microsoft frontpage and use it for curseforge.com now
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