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L16[03:42:28] <Forecaster> %potion
L17[03:42:29] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a smelly yellow potion (New!)
L18[03:42:32] <Forecaster> %sip ^
L19[03:42:32] <MichiBot> Forecaster knows the exact location of a particular molecule of oxygen for a second.
L20[03:42:45] <Forecaster> dang I lost track of it
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L24[05:05:09] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/fff02916e507e3c888258533cb983b38365bbe8fb06eaf10d4013d16df5b7a35.webm
L25[05:13:11] <Forecaster> Wut
L26[05:13:25] <t20kdc> ...MichiBot, what are these 'tells' you tell me of?
L27[05:14:33] <Izaya> Forecaster: seems p straightforward to me
L28[05:14:38] <Izaya> "Freedom, except for suzuki riders."
L29[06:08:34] <Forecaster> Wut
L30[06:08:49] <Izaya> I can't really simplify it any more
L31[06:39:44] <Forecaster> %potion
L32[06:39:44] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a sweet metal potion (New!)
L33[06:39:48] <Forecaster> %sip ^
L34[06:39:48] <MichiBot> Forecaster turns into a lizardgirl.
L35[06:39:56] <Forecaster> huh
L36[07:20:37] <Bob> bruhµ
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L38[07:43:05] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L39[07:44:31] <Forecaster> hi vex, have a sweet metal potion!
L40[07:44:49] <Vexatos> D:
L41[07:48:21] <Forecaster> what, it's definitely not a trick!
L42[07:56:26] <t20kdc> I can vouch for Forecaster that it will not to anything to you that Forecaster hasn't done to themself.
L43[07:56:37] <t20kdc> *do anything
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L45[08:25:26] <AmandaC> @Forecaster "User has a sudden, unshakable feeling that (inventory item) is out to get them" here, have an effect
L46[08:26:22] <Forecaster> I might add that when I've fixed the inventory system
L47[08:26:38] <AmandaC> Good, another reason to fix the inventory system now
L48[08:27:02] <AmandaC> Get to work on that tech tree!
L49[08:27:36] <Forecaster> fix inventory system <- complete mysql conversion <- find replacement for db versioning system <- stop being lazy
L50[08:34:26] <AmandaC> Right, that first one is easy
L51[08:34:43] * AmandaC lights a fire under @Forecaster's chair
L52[08:35:10] <AmandaC> The burnings will continue until laziness is decreased
L53[08:35:37] <Forecaster> I think that'll have the opposite effect if my chair is destroyed :P
L54[08:35:47] <Forecaster> I wont be able to sit at my computer anymore
L55[08:35:57] <AmandaC> So you'll just have to stand at it
L56[08:36:04] <AmandaC> Or kneel
L57[08:36:20] <Forecaster> my mouse and keyboard are attached to the chair
L58[08:36:33] <AmandaC> wat
L59[08:40:04] <stephan48> g59
L60[08:41:09] <Forecaster> what?
L61[08:41:30] <McMaartenz> %tonk
L62[08:41:30] <MichiBot> I'm sorry McMaartenz, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 9 hours, 30 minutes and 17 seconds this time. 8 hours, 47 minutes and 38 seconds were wasted! Missed by 42 minutes and 39 seconds!
L63[08:41:36] <McMaartenz> What?
L64[08:41:46] <McMaartenz> Are my calculations that bad
L65[08:41:48] <McMaartenz> Omg
L66[08:41:54] <McMaartenz> ;-;
L67[09:06:53] <Forecaster> apparently :P
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L69[10:53:43] <Leothehero2110> quick question: would Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ixigumekat
L70[10:53:43] <Leothehero2110> store each line of a file to it's own part of the table indexed with the line numbers?
L71[10:53:55] <Leothehero2110> quick question: would
L72[10:53:56] <Leothehero2110> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/itumunoqof
L73[10:53:56] <Leothehero2110> store each line of a file to it's own part of the table indexed with the line numbers? [Edited]
L74[10:55:11] <Leothehero2110> %tonk
L75[10:55:11] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Leothehero2110, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 9 hours, 30 minutes and 17 seconds this time. 2 hours, 13 minutes and 41 seconds were wasted! Missed by 7 hours, 16 minutes and 35 seconds!
L76[10:56:41] <Lizzian> i think you'd want `file:readLine()` for that (not 100% sure if thats a thng in lua)
L77[10:57:39] <Leothehero2110> `file:read()` is equivalent to `file:read("*l")` which reads one line in the stream
L78[10:59:34] <Bob> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/milunemovi
L79[10:59:34] <Bob> You mean store in a table the lines and their positions in a file ?
L80[10:59:51] <Leothehero2110> I'm building an FTP program
L81[10:59:56] <Leothehero2110> I want to store a file to a table
L82[10:59:59] <Bob> because f[line] does instert the whole file and sets the line as a key
L83[11:00:01] <Leothehero2110> with the line structure intact
L84[11:00:23] <Bob> so you want to get the files in a directory and save them to a table for then later use
L85[11:00:29] <Leothehero2110> yes
L86[11:00:41] <Leothehero2110> well; get a specified file from io.read()
L87[11:00:45] <Leothehero2110> not all the files in a directory
L88[11:01:10] <Bob> Well then the host receives the string
L89[11:01:13] <Bob> lookups for the file
L90[11:01:19] <Bob> if fount then returns it ?
L91[11:01:36] <Bob> shouldn't it rather be just an OC filesystem API trick or
L92[11:01:48] <Leothehero2110> i'm broadcasting it over a network; and the limit is 8192 bytes so I want to separate it by line so that it doesnt go over the limit
L93[11:02:08] <Leothehero2110> i'm broadcasting it over a network; and the limit is 8192 bytes per message so I want to separate it by line so that it doesnt go over the limit [Edited]
L94[11:02:26] <Bob> yo uwant to bascailly cut a file with 8192 bytes volume
L95[11:02:32] <Bob> i mean lines can be more than 8192 bytes
L96[11:03:10] <Leothehero2110> they can; but I'll get to that problem later. This is literally my second batch of programs that I'm writing in lua
L97[11:03:12] <Forecaster> AmandaC: http://tinyurl.com/yyo66tey
L98[11:03:41] <Bob> @Leothehero2110 you better use string:gmatch(maxsize)
L99[11:03:44] <Bob> and then send each match
L100[11:03:47] <AmandaC> I see
L101[11:03:55] <Bob> or gsub
L102[11:04:03] <Bob> i'm not an expert with strings tho
L103[11:04:17] <Bob> and in Lua they are immutables so it will be slow as hecc
L104[11:04:30] <Bob> but still
L105[11:04:35] <Bob> i mean 8kb is already alot
L106[11:04:41] <Leothehero2110> I'm sending it as a byte stream and not as a character stream
L107[11:04:52] <Leothehero2110> 8kb is only 2 EEPROMs
L108[11:05:44] <Leothehero2110> quick question: would
L109[11:05:45] <Leothehero2110> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/mayuxezeho
L110[11:05:45] <Leothehero2110> store each line of a file to it's own part of the table indexed with the line numbers? [Edited]
L111[11:06:10] <AmandaC> line-based isn't a very good idea, what if there's a very long line?
L112[11:06:16] <Bob> ^
L113[11:06:18] <Bob> as i sai
L114[11:06:18] <Bob> d
L115[11:06:22] <Leothehero2110> I'll solve that problem laterrrrr
L116[11:06:25] <Bob> also network messages are only strings so
L117[11:06:33] <Bob> and file sare basically very long strings
L118[11:06:38] <Leothehero2110> network messages can be sent as numbers instead of strings
L119[11:06:45] <Leothehero2110> strings have 2 bytes of overhead
L120[11:07:00] <Leothehero2110> --wait one second
L121[11:07:06] <Leothehero2110> rereading the api documentation
L122[11:07:14] <Bob> OC isn't your typical computer lol
L123[11:07:41] <Leothehero2110> ok change of plani'm using strings!
L124[11:07:41] <AmandaC> just repeatedly `io.read(4096)` and send the result
L125[11:07:44] <Leothehero2110> ok change of plan i'm using strings! [Edited]
L126[11:07:46] <Bob> ¨
L127[11:07:48] <Bob> ^
L128[11:07:53] <Leothehero2110> oh ok that's simple
L129[11:07:56] <Leothehero2110> i'll do that
L130[11:08:00] <Bob> io.read(maxsize)
L131[11:08:06] <Bob> then change that to whatever you want
L132[11:08:15] <Bob> OC transfer is strings
L133[11:08:19] <Bob> only strings
L134[11:08:22] <Bob> you convert everything to strings
L135[11:08:27] <AmandaC> No?
L136[11:08:41] <AmandaC> numbers, bools, strings, can all be transfered using modem messages
L137[11:08:51] <Bob> Well yea
L138[11:08:54] <Leothehero2110> quick question: io.read(4096); does that work when a file is openned? does the computer consider the file as the shell and user input?
L139[11:09:01] <Bob> file:read(size)
L140[11:09:09] <Leothehero2110> oh ok
L141[11:09:11] <Leothehero2110> thanks#
L142[11:09:12] <Leothehero2110> thanks [Edited]
L143[11:09:15] <Bob> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L151[11:39:32] <Sparky> How am I supposed to make a navigation upgrade if uncraftable potions are unobtainable?
L152[11:40:05] <Forecaster> uncraftable things tend to be unobtainable
L153[11:40:18] <Forecaster> are you talking about what a recipe is shown as in NEI or similar?
L154[11:40:48] <Sparky> Yes
L155[11:40:56] <Forecaster> it may accept any potion
L156[11:41:00] <Sparky> http://tinyurl.com/yyvyjdnp
L157[11:42:44] <AmandaC> %roll 1d4 1d3 1d2
L158[11:42:44] <MichiBot> [2] + [2] + [1] = 5
L159[11:47:14] <Sparky> @Forecaster The recipe in JEI was wrong
L160[11:47:46] <Forecaster> yeah potions and similar things are sometimes shown wrong
L161[11:49:56] <Sparky> It also required a map in the middle.. and just a bottle of water at the bottom
L162[11:55:59] <MichiBot> Lizzy REMINDER: fix Athar's interfaces and adjust ssh ports on vms
L163[11:56:21] <MichiBot> Lizzy REMINDER: also the gitlab sevrer cause it's being a bitch
L164[11:56:27] <Lizzy> Thanks MichiBot
L165[12:00:20] <AmandaC> bottles of water are techinically potions in the MC engione
L166[12:18:16] <Sparky> My computer won't boot. Post code is 2 quick beeps
L167[12:18:26] <MGR> Use the analyzer on it
L168[12:19:11] <Bob> 2 beeps
L169[12:22:44] <Sparky> Didn't have LUA bios installed
L170[12:23:57] <MGR> Well, now you know what to fix ?
L171[12:39:44] <Sparky> How do I fix this? https://i.imgur.com/bA5TCI3.png
L172[12:41:23] <MGR> I *think* you have to call the programs separately, or use the pipe operator
L173[12:41:30] <MGR> Which is |
L174[12:42:27] <Sparky> I was trying to follow this guide https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1430-drone-tree-farmer/
L175[12:42:51] <Sparky> Trying to get something from pastebin to my black eeprom
L176[12:42:57] <Sparky> Trying to get something from pastebin to my blank eeprom [Edited]
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L178[12:46:16] <Mimiru> Failed to open for writing usually means that you're on a read only FS
L179[12:46:34] <Mimiru> AKA, you've not installed OpenOS, you're running from the floppy
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L181[12:56:42] <Sparky> Oh sweet, you were right @Mimiru
L182[13:09:22] <Mimiru> \o/
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L191[14:07:57] <Lizzy> %tonk
L192[14:07:58] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Lizzy, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 9 hours, 30 minutes and 17 seconds this time. 3 hours, 12 minutes and 46 seconds were wasted! Missed by 6 hours, 17 minutes and 30 seconds!
L193[14:08:05] <Lizzy> wat
L194[14:08:07] <Lizzy> ih
L195[14:08:13] <Lizzy> record is 9 hours
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L197[14:10:23] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YF8vecQWYs still a great song \o/
L198[14:10:24] <MichiBot> 美波「カワキヲアメク」MV | length: 4m 14s | Likes: 367,630 Dislikes: 2,118 Views: 19,781,474 | by 美波 | Published On 29/1/2019
L199[14:11:01] <simon816> I think a graph of tonk record vs tonk fails would be interesting. there seems to be more failures the higher the record is
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L202[14:16:34] <Corded> * <Kodos> resets his timer
L203[14:18:41] <Inari> %potion
L204[14:18:42] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a sour quicksilver potion (New!)
L205[14:18:43] <Inari> %drink ^
L206[14:18:43] <MichiBot> Inari's toes turn invisible.
L207[14:23:32] <Inari> No AmandaC can't attack them!
L208[14:23:36] <Inari> *Now
L209[14:24:15] * AmandaC bites Inari's hand-toes instead
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L212[14:26:35] <Inari> AmandaC: You're supposed to be busy!
L213[14:27:00] <AmandaC> @Z0idburg you've ruined me. FORTH is actually looking interesting and practical
L214[14:27:20] <AmandaC> Inari: they're waiting for the stabbing to take effect
L215[14:27:35] <Zef> Forth is rude
L216[14:27:53] <Inari> AmandaC: I thought bleeding out was rather quick
L217[14:29:25] <AmandaC> @Z0idburg I'm looking at some hackaday stuff the realised how nice it's rpn was for stuff like dsls. `Blinktask activate` -- activate this task as blinktask. `Blinktask idle`, make it idle
L218[14:29:49] <Inari> That sounds like a markov chain
L219[14:30:49] <AmandaC> Reading the ancient starting forth book now
L220[14:36:28] <Kodos> %potion
L221[14:36:29] <MichiBot> Kodos: You get a fragrant tuna potion (New!)
L222[14:36:34] <Kodos> %drink ^
L223[14:36:34] <MichiBot> The bottle is a spear.
L224[14:36:40] <Kodos> o.O
L225[14:43:04] <Temia> %quaff fragrant pink potion
L226[14:43:04] <MichiBot> Temia turns into a turtleturtleboy.
L227[14:43:10] <Temia> wut
L228[14:43:17] <Temia> %quaff fragrant strawberry potion
L229[14:43:17] <MichiBot> Temia has no memory of drinking a potion.
L230[14:44:18] <Inari> The heck is a quaff
L231[14:45:11] <Temia> It's a verb.
L232[14:45:18] <Inari> %define quaff
L233[14:45:25] <Inari> %search urban quaff
L234[14:45:25] <Temia> Mostly reserved for drinking potions in roguelikes
L235[14:45:25] <MichiBot> Inari: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quaff - *Urban Dictionary: quaff*: "quaff (kwaaff) - The revolting burp one has just before vomit spews from one's esophagus, at which point one knows there is no turning back (Here come da ..."
L236[14:45:31] <Temia> ...
L237[14:45:35] <Temia> That's... not it.
L238[14:45:43] <Temia> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quaff
L239[14:45:59] <Inari> :p
L240[14:46:20] * Inari eyes Temia
L241[14:46:28] <Inari> %search urban Temia
L242[14:46:29] <MichiBot> Inari: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Temia - *Urban Dictionary: Temia*: "Jul 9, 2014 ... The girl with a really huge booty. She's nice and really smart."
L243[14:46:38] <Temia> .
L244[14:46:43] <Temia> EXCUSE
L245[14:46:49] <Inari> Heh
L246[14:46:52] * Temia axe rampage +_+
L247[14:47:34] <Z0idburg> %search urban inari
L248[14:47:35] <MichiBot> Z0idburg: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Inari - *Urban Dictionary: Inari*: "Inari is one of the most prettiest girls you will ever met they may be mean at some time and hard to live with but it all works out they are so kind and caring and ..."
L249[14:48:45] <Z0idburg> Well that was unexpected
L250[14:49:03] <Z0idburg> %search urban Izaya
L251[14:49:04] <MichiBot> Z0idburg: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Izaya - *Urban Dictionary: Izaya*: "Izaya very often can put too much trust in people and they always break him. All an Izaya ever wants is the ability to prove himself worthy of leadership or of ..."
L252[14:49:09] <Z0idburg> gotta know
L253[14:49:50] <Inari> I'm pretty and Temia has a big booty
L254[14:49:52] <Inari> Good to know
L255[14:50:02] <Z0idburg> lol
L256[14:50:11] <Z0idburg> No comment
L257[14:50:22] <Inari> Wait
L258[14:50:27] <Inari> Z0idburg is Izaya
L259[14:50:38] <Temia> I--
L260[14:50:40] * Temia huff >T
L261[14:50:43] * Temia axes Inari
L262[14:50:51] <Inari> Ow D:
L263[14:50:57] <Inari> Temia: Have you considered you might be a horse?
L264[14:50:58] * Inari runs
L265[14:51:23] * Temia GETTEEEER TOMAHAAAAWK
L266[14:51:30] * Temia lobs her axe at :T
L267[14:51:34] <Inari> D:
L268[15:06:15] * CompanionCube rides Inari
L269[15:06:33] <Inari> Uhhh
L270[15:06:34] <Inari> what
L271[15:08:38] <CompanionCube> problem?
L272[15:08:46] <Inari> Yes
L273[15:08:49] <Inari> %stab CompanionCube
L274[15:08:50] * MichiBot stabs CompanionCube with a Wind-up Sadu doing 12 damage
L275[15:09:06] <CompanionCube> i had that coming
L276[15:09:26] <Inari> Wheres asie anyway
L277[15:11:03] <Lizzy> %search urban Lizzy
L278[15:11:03] <MichiBot> Lizzy: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lizzy - *Urban Dictionary: Lizzy*: "She is a smart and beautiful girl! her smile lights up an entire room and she has a lot of junk in her trunk. if you have a bestfriend Lizzy you are so lucky. she is so ..."
L279[15:11:07] <Inari> AmandaC: Myaa-nee!
L280[15:11:48] <Lizzy> "she has a lot of junk in her trunk" I don't want none of this junk shit, get it off me already
L281[15:12:10] <Inari> Haha
L282[15:12:34] * AmandaC baps Inari
L283[15:12:48] <Inari> AmandaC: sour cream banana jelly~
L284[15:16:32] <AmandaC> "we can't cite all the mechanics in this book, but believe us, it's not a miracle"
L285[15:20:25] <Leothehero2110> noob question; do I put the autorun.lua file in /home or in the main root after doing `..`
L286[15:20:49] <Zef> I don't think autorun.lua would autrun
L287[15:20:52] <Zef> I don't think autorun.lua would autorun [Edited]
L288[15:21:10] <Leothehero2110> https://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:autorun_options
L289[15:22:39] <Lizzy> root of whatever drive you want it on
L290[15:22:59] <Lizzy> if you just want something to run on startup though, put it in /home/.shrc
L291[15:26:54] <Z0idburg> ok guys
L292[15:26:58] <Z0idburg> whats the best mutt breed
L293[15:27:02] <Z0idburg> for a medium sized dog
L294[15:28:39] ⇦ Quits: ashka_ (ashka_!~postmaste@baptiste-huve.fr) (Ping timeout: 189 seconds)
L295[15:46:02] <gamax92> note to self: partially connected video cable can cause computer to barely function apparently
L296[15:46:27] <Lizzy> aha, i figured out why my gitlab server wasn't responding properly on the internal networks, i mixed up the virtual network assignments in virt-manager so they were on the wrong networks
L297[15:47:20] <Forecaster> probably helps to... uh... not do that, I guess :P
L298[15:47:36] <Lizzy> yup
L299[15:48:50] <Lizzy> but now, with the exception of athar which hasn't yet been put on my internal "Hyperloop" network, everything else is accessible from the host system via the hyperloop network
L300[15:49:49] <Lizzy> so now to go through and block off all the outside ssh connections for all my virtual servers
L301[15:51:25] <S3> Inari: Since when am I Izaya?
L302[15:52:15] <Z0idburg> OOH
L303[15:52:34] <Z0idburg> %search urban Lizzy
L304[15:52:35] <MichiBot> Z0idburg: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lizzy - *Urban Dictionary: Lizzy*: "She is a smart and beautiful girl! her smile lights up an entire room and she has a lot of junk in her trunk. if you have a bestfriend Lizzy you are so lucky. she is so ..."
L305[15:52:53] <Lizzy> i did that a while ago...
L306[15:53:06] <Z0idburg> Oh. I wasn't paying attention for a bit lol
L307[15:53:14] <Z0idburg> So then I wonder
L308[15:53:22] <S3> %search urban S3
L309[15:53:22] <MichiBot> S3: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=S3 - *Urban Dictionary: S3*: "Stands for Solid Snake Shit. Used when you have performed something stealthy or sneaky. Sometimes can have semi-illicit connections."
L310[15:55:14] <S3> ..
L311[15:56:27] <S3> @enthalpy this is all your fault.
L312[15:56:40] <Temia> You're pretty good
L313[16:06:10] *** Roy_Mustang is now known as A_D
L314[16:07:38] <Forecaster> %potion
L315[16:07:38] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a sweet rød potion (New!)
L316[16:07:43] <Forecaster> %sip ^
L317[16:07:43] <MichiBot> It tastes salty.
L318[16:07:50] <Forecaster> aw
L319[16:34:24] ⇦ Quits: t20kdc (t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139326-aztw33-2-0-cust441.18-1.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 198 seconds)
L320[16:34:27] <Enthalpy> @Z0idburg I blame ubuguru.
L321[16:34:58] ⇨ Joins: Lil_Pipp (Lil_Pipp!webchat@c-98-247-90-110.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
L322[16:35:31] <S3> ubuguru
L323[16:37:35] <Lil_Pipp> So, I have a question - Does the Big Reactors Grid Control script work with OpenOS 1.7.4? I'm trying to use it to monitor and adjust my reactor and it's staying the file does not exist when it shows the file does exist when I do ls, figuring maybe version incompatibilities?
L324[16:39:14] ⇨ Joins: ashka (ashka!~postmaste@baptiste-huve.fr)
L325[16:45:03] <Mimiru> Lil_Pipp, that doesn't sound like a version issue to me.
L326[16:45:58] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (Vexatos!~Vexatos@p200300C1072F5F4625093ED5CEAC5395.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 190 seconds)
L327[16:50:10] <Forecaster> What are you doing exactly?
L328[16:51:17] <Z0idburg> p3bk4c
L329[16:51:18] <Z0idburg> error
L330[16:52:59] <Lizzy> %remindme 19h Give games server access to the HyperLoop and secure it down the same as the rest
L331[16:53:00] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "Give games server access to the HyperLoop and secure it down the same as the rest" at 04/18/2019 11:52:59 AM
L332[16:56:44] <Mimiru> Hmm fuck it, everyone else has tried.
L333[16:56:46] <Mimiru> %search urban Mimiru
L334[16:56:47] <MichiBot> Mimiru: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Amaya&page=2 - *Urban Dictionary: Amaya*: "means night rain in japanese. is mostly used for a girls name. watashi wa Amaya desu. (my name is Amaya). #nori#mimiru#naruto#nicole#jade#taylor."
L335[16:56:55] <Mimiru> Neat :p
L336[16:59:18] ⇦ Quits: flappy (flappy!~flappy@88-113-149-197.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout: 190 seconds)
L337[16:59:27] ⇨ Joins: Vexatos (Vexatos!~Vexatos@p200300C1072F5F28D8B3D375669DFA80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
L338[16:59:27] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L339[17:01:37] <Bob> B i g R e a c t o r s
L340[17:04:55] ⇦ Quits: Inari (Inari!~Pinkishu@pD9E8E987.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)
L341[17:12:44] <Kodos> %search urban Kodos
L342[17:12:45] <MichiBot> Kodos: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=I voted for kodos - *Urban Dictionary: I voted for kodos*: "Homer is suggesting by this statement that the world would be a better place if the rest of the world had voted Kodos (another alien) into power. In truth if either ..."
L343[17:13:12] <Kodos> Broken Link is broken
L344[17:13:39] <Bob> %search urban Bob
L345[17:13:40] <MichiBot> Bob: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=B.O.B. - *Urban Dictionary: B.O.B.*: "Nicole Kidman's latest movie, Rabbit Hole, was a B.O.B. $5 million in production costs, made ... Cindy got stood up for her date, so she whipped out her B.O.B."
L346[17:44:06] <S3> That is NSFW
L347[17:44:07] <S3> :D
L348[17:48:29] <ModEngineer> can ummm. opencomputers 3dm be more than a block tall
L349[17:48:44] <AmandaC> 3dm?
L350[17:48:51] <ModEngineer> 3d models
L351[17:48:53] <ModEngineer> 3d printer
L352[17:48:57] <AmandaC> no
L353[17:49:03] <Z0idburg> well
L354[17:49:06] <Z0idburg> can you stack them?
L355[17:49:14] <ModEngineer> yeah i guess
L356[17:49:23] <Z0idburg> if you can stack them then I would assume so
L357[17:49:37] <Z0idburg> I've never tried it
L358[17:50:29] <AmandaC> You can place them against eachother, but you'll have to manually split the model into multiple parts
L359[17:50:41] <ModEngineer> which is difficult
L360[17:50:42] <AmandaC> I'm guessing that;s what @Z0idburg means
L361[17:51:01] <Z0idburg> I don't see why that is difficult
L362[17:51:03] <Z0idburg> seems trivial to me
L363[17:51:16] <Z0idburg> ever taken calculus?
L364[17:51:51] <ModEngineer> i'm just a lazy bum ok?
L365[17:52:23] <Z0idburg> In calculus it's common to split up an object you are integrating into multiple sections
L366[17:52:37] <ModEngineer> well, i havent yet taken calculus
L367[17:54:00] <Z0idburg> study it early!
L368[17:54:07] <Z0idburg> granted
L369[17:54:18] <Z0idburg> 3D printing has nothing to do with calc in what I am talking about
L370[17:54:54] <Mimiru> %bap @"Z0idburg"
L371[17:54:55] * MichiBot baps @"Z0idburg" with the Magic EvenStr13! (25%)
L372[17:55:05] <Z0idburg> WHuyyyyyyyy
L373[17:55:08] <Z0idburg> why you so mean to meee
L374[17:55:52] <Mimiru> Why not?
L375[17:57:13] <AmandaC> @Z0idburg https://nc.ddna.co/s/gg9FjQQjJ8tZprN Blinky light get!
L376[17:58:20] <Mimiru> This share is password-protected :P
L377[17:58:32] <Mimiru> well fine, I didn't wanna see a blinky light anyway lol
L378[17:58:44] <AmandaC> fixed
L379[17:58:55] <AmandaC> It's not the actual blinky light. I'll do that if you'd like. :P
L380[17:59:14] <AmandaC> I accidentally clicked "password protect" apparently
L381[17:59:35] <Mimiru> heh
L382[18:01:50] <AmandaC> Mimiru: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ADzZuVUyPBhdq6R9A
L383[18:02:02] <Mimiru> I'm very tempted to try powerline networking..
L384[18:02:24] <AmandaC> Mimiru: my co-admin uses that for his PS4, it's very unreliable
L385[18:02:29] <Mimiru> Blinky light!
L386[18:02:46] <Mimiru> Well, the issue I'm running into is router is on the bottom floor on one end of our townhouse
L387[18:02:52] <Mimiru> and I'm on the top floor on the other.
L388[18:03:19] <Temia> %quaff sweet pink potion
L389[18:03:20] <MichiBot> It tastes bitter.
L390[18:03:25] <Temia> D:
L391[18:03:34] <Mimiru> While I can connect to the wifi, I've been having major issue recently when trying to work from home, mainly that my RDP sessions die every 30 or so seconds.
L392[18:04:14] <Temia> %quaff sweet strawberry potion
L393[18:04:14] <MichiBot> The bottle is a dagger.
L394[18:04:25] * Temia dies. Again.
L395[18:04:48] <ModEngineer> egg *yolks* are an *eggcelent* way of *eggspressing* oneself
L396[18:04:57] <ModEngineer> *eggscuse* the pun
L397[18:05:02] <ModEngineer> please do not *pun*ish me
L398[18:06:03] <Bob> time to summon the %slap command
L399[18:06:21] <AmandaC> %shell @ModEngineer
L400[18:06:21] * MichiBot loads Forecaster's left shoe into a shell and fires it. It strikes the ground near @ModEngineer, dmod and AmandaC. They each take 4, 2 and 3 splash damage respectively.
L401[18:06:28] <AmandaC> hey! D:
L402[18:06:50] <Bob> oofskies
L403[18:06:52] <ModEngineer> %slap
L404[18:06:55] <ModEngineer> %help
L405[18:06:56] <MichiBot> ModEngineer: Command list: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/help
L406[18:07:11] <ModEngineer> %js
L407[18:07:21] <ModEngineer> %js console.log("hi");
L408[18:07:25] <ModEngineer> what is the %js command?
L409[18:07:34] <ModEngineer> %lua
L410[18:07:47] ⇦ Quits: Izaya (Izaya!~izaya@210-1-218-92-cpe.spintel.net.au) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
L411[18:07:50] <ModEngineer> what are these commands?
L412[18:08:03] <ModEngineer> %attack poke @Bob
L413[18:08:05] <AmandaC> %lua for i=1,5 do print "Hello"
L414[18:08:05] <MichiBot> main:1: 'end' expected near <eof>
L415[18:08:07] <AmandaC> %lua for i=1,5 do print "Hello" end
L416[18:08:07] <MichiBot> Hello | Hello | Hello | Hello | Hello
L417[18:08:26] <ModEngineer> wait]
L418[18:08:27] <AmandaC> don't bother trying to break it / crash the bot. Smarter people have tried
L419[18:08:43] <Bob> %lua for char in "Hello World":gmatch(".") do print(char) end
L420[18:08:44] <MichiBot> main:1: 'do' expected near ':'
L421[18:08:46] <AmandaC> ( And if you do succeed, all you'll get is a ban and an angry Mimiru )
L422[18:08:52] <ModEngineer> really
L423[18:08:56] <Bob> Time
L424[18:08:57] <Bob> to
L425[18:08:57] <ModEngineer> i want to crash the bot
L426[18:08:58] <Bob> test
L427[18:09:01] <ModEngineer> %bap
L428[18:09:01] * MichiBot flails at the darkness
L429[18:09:05] <ModEngineer> %bap
L430[18:09:06] * MichiBot flails at the darkness
L431[18:09:12] <ModEngineer> %attack poke
L432[18:09:13] * MichiBot flails at nothingness with OC documentation
L433[18:09:13] <Mimiru> %ignore @"ModEngineer"
L434[18:09:13] <AmandaC> %bap @ModEngineer
L435[18:09:14] <MichiBot> User added to ignore list
L436[18:09:15] * MichiBot baps @ModEngineer with the pawprint stamp
L437[18:09:47] <ModEngineer> noice
L438[18:11:04] <ModEngineer> %lua print("yeet")
L439[18:11:04] <ba7888b72413a16a> I forgot, do relays themselves take up a component?
L440[18:11:12] <Bob> for i=math.mininteger,math.maxinteger,1/math.maxinteger do *Something very hogging like table deepcopying* end
L441[18:11:38] <ModEngineer> %blame @Bob
L442[18:11:45] <AmandaC> You're ignored, @ModEngineer
L443[18:11:52] <ModEngineer> oh nooo
L444[18:11:53] <Bob> :GWjiangoOmegaLUL:
L445[18:12:01] <ModEngineer> oh ok
L446[18:12:04] <Mimiru> GWjiangoOmegaLUL indeed
L447[18:12:07] <ModEngineer> i just got banned from the bot
L448[18:12:19] <ModEngineer> nuuuuuu ?
L449[18:12:20] <Bob> Angry Mimiru appears
L450[18:12:33] <ModEngineer> may i post pure cringe?
L451[18:12:47] <ModEngineer> something i made for randomness
L452[18:12:50] <Bob> #spam channel when
L453[18:13:11] <ModEngineer> bob, may i send you the dumbest thing ever?
L454[18:13:47] <AmandaC> Hey, Amazon, whenever you're ready to deliver my Flux and Solder, that'd be greeeaaatttt
L455[18:14:04] <Bob> Please no, I'm already getting heavily assaulted in dms
L456[18:14:08] <ModEngineer> oh ok
L457[18:14:16] <Mimiru> @Bob spam channel go.
L458[18:14:34] <Bob> Thanks :)
L459[18:14:46] <Bob> Now #oc should be a better place
L460[18:14:49] <Bob> hopefully...
L461[18:15:03] <AmandaC> doubtful, nublets never learn
L462[18:15:18] <Bob> /shrug
L463[18:15:25] <Mimiru> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L464[18:15:43] <Bob> Exactly
L465[18:16:02] <ModEngineer> *does /tts*
L466[18:16:14] <AmandaC> %8ball is showers the hero of the ages with the sword and helping hand?
L467[18:16:14] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Without a doubt
L468[18:16:33] * AmandaC grabs a sword, goes to sit in the rain
L469[18:17:14] <Mimiru> tts is disabled except for mods
L470[18:17:29] <Mimiru> For example
L471[18:17:35] <Mimiru> I can do this if I want.
L472[18:17:54] <Zef> you ass
L473[18:18:00] <Mimiru> lmfao
L474[18:18:04] <Zef> Why do I have tts enabled
L475[18:18:16] <ModEngineer> does this even work
L476[18:18:20] <ModEngineer> no it does not
L477[18:18:20] <Mimiru> Just incase we need to test the emergency broadcast system
L478[18:18:41] <ModEngineer> what are all these bots?
L479[18:18:43] <ModEngineer> which mimiru is it
L480[18:18:55] <ModEngineer> is this mimiru real or is this one the bot mimiru?
L481[18:19:07] <Mimiru> I
L482[18:19:09] <Mimiru> Have
L483[18:19:12] <Mimiru> No
L484[18:19:15] <Mimiru> Idea
L485[18:19:18] <AmandaC> We are a hive mind with mpd
L486[18:19:18] <Mimiru> you
L487[18:19:19] <Mimiru> What
L488[18:19:21] <Mimiru> mean.
L489[18:19:27] <Bob> tts should be burned to ashes
L490[18:19:38] <ModEngineer> i dont hear tts
L491[18:19:52] <ModEngineer> do you
L492[18:19:55] <Bob> disabled in setting
L493[18:20:04] <ModEngineer> ||yeet||
L494[18:20:21] <Bob> Also Android discord
L495[18:20:27] <Bob> i bet it lacks tts even
L496[18:20:31] <Mimiru> https://drive.pc-logix.com/index.php/s/8QzGcyzt3H6o938 indeed
L497[18:21:13] <ModEngineer> *angers mimiru*
L498[18:21:18] <ModEngineer> memeru
L499[18:21:19] <ModEngineer> sorry
L500[18:21:22] <Mimiru> The bot messages are IRC users, Corded is a IRC <-> Discord bridge
L501[18:21:22] <ModEngineer> just...
L502[18:21:23] <ModEngineer> sorry
L503[18:21:31] <ModEngineer> ah
L504[18:21:40] <ModEngineer> but what's with the bots without profiles
L505[18:21:41] <Mimiru> and it uses WebHooks to "impersonate" users
L506[18:22:01] <Bob> It's a trap
L507[18:22:03] <AmandaC> Temia: I thought we asked yeetus to stop yeeting people out of the cycle of reincarnation
L508[18:22:07] <ModEngineer> ohhh
L509[18:22:14] <Bob> Here just to confuse you all along
L510[18:22:37] <ModEngineer> so what the hank is michibot?
L511[18:22:39] <ModEngineer> it's a webhook?
L512[18:22:43] <ModEngineer> just...
L513[18:22:45] <ModEngineer> i am confused
L514[18:22:49] <AmandaC> It's an irc bot
L515[18:22:52] <Mimiru> ^
L516[18:23:22] <AmandaC> Think of corded as someone in a crowded room with a radio, making silly voices to relay messages back and forth
L517[18:23:33] <Mimiru> lol, accurate.
L518[18:23:36] <ModEngineer> lol
L519[18:24:05] <Bob> ^ ~~thats literally how it works~~
L520[18:24:07] <ModEngineer> and also, you cut off my access to bots
L521[18:24:08] <ModEngineer> nice
L522[18:24:09] <ModEngineer> thanks
L523[18:24:12] <ModEngineer> i feel
L524[18:24:14] <ModEngineer> congratulated
L525[18:24:21] <AmandaC> No, only MichiBot
L526[18:24:24] <Bob> All for the good or bad of everyone
L527[18:24:36] <ModEngineer> oof
L528[18:24:42] <ModEngineer> *@everyone*
L529[18:24:47] <ModEngineer> oops
L530[18:24:51] <ModEngineer> didnt think that would work
L531[18:24:52] <ModEngineer> oops
L532[18:24:58] <Bob> Corded doesn't have much stuff so
L533[18:25:00] <Mimiru> It didn't
L534[18:25:03] <ModEngineer> go ahead. ban me ?
L535[18:25:05] <Bob> The star bot is MichiBot
L536[18:25:20] <Bob> i didn't saw anything
L537[18:25:22] <Mimiru> @everyone isn't enabled for anyone lower than Moderator
L538[18:25:30] <MGR> kdja;flkdsjl;fkjsdl;af
L539[18:25:30] <ModEngineer> *@everyone*
L540[18:25:30] <Bob> BRUH
L541[18:25:31] <logan2611> umm
L542[18:25:33] <ModEngineer> y is it blue
L543[18:25:38] <kingofxbox> :whateven:
L544[18:25:36] <god in gopher form> :d
L545[18:25:39] <god in gopher form> sdfasdfasdfsad
L546[18:25:39] <MGR> MY PAIN
L547[18:25:40] <Mimiru> And Corded :P
L548[18:25:40] <Bob> :GWmythicalHyperREEEE:
L549[18:25:43] <Xav101> good job
L550[18:25:43] <logan2611> ping city
L551[18:25:43] <Dudblockman> Lol
L552[18:25:49] <Dudblockman> Welcome to chaos
L553[18:25:50] <Xav101> @Dudblockman hello there
L554[18:25:51] <TheDrummer> @everyone
L555[18:25:51] <MGR> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/524209283974561792/562950587361132554/SmartSelect_20190124-212902_YouTube.gif
L556[18:25:52] <Bob> Mimiru you made a mistakr
L557[18:25:52] <Meelock> God damn it
L558[18:25:53] <AshIndigo> Oh god mimiru why
L559[18:25:53] <Mimiru> TIL, Corded inerits it
L560[18:25:54] <Deoxys_0> LOL
L561[18:25:56] <ModEngineer> @everyone
L562[18:25:57] <Bob> so feking horrible
L563[18:25:58] <AshIndigo> Also hi xav
L564[18:26:02] <Dudblockman> Population, everyone
L565[18:26:12] <Temia> lmao
L566[18:26:12] <MGR> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/495550664605302794/537785777937973248/SmartSelect_20190123-063115_YouTube.gif
L567[18:26:15] <ModEngineer> eggcelent yolks
L568[18:26:25] <Bob> Triggered
L569[18:26:25] <Skye> oops
L570[18:26:27] <Mimiru> It's blue, yes, but it didn't notify everyone.. unlike Corded.. who it seems can do that
L571[18:26:31] <Dudblockman> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/80/5a/b9/805ab9b7df503a32a161b831e7d4770b.gif
L572[18:26:43] <Mimiru> Hai guys! :D
L573[18:26:45] <MGR> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/524209283974561792/562950486190456832/SmartSelect_20190201-205029_YouTube.gif
L574[18:26:50] <AmandaC> Mimiru: might want to fix that before some nublet starts abusing michibot for it
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L576[18:26:57] <MGR> OH CRAP YEAH
L577[18:27:00] <MGR> You gotta fix that
L578[18:27:03] <Bob> Can we rename #oc to #spam
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L580[18:27:20] <MajGenRelativity> @/everyone
L581[18:27:22] <TOASTERSTRUDELIAN> @everyone yeet
L582[18:27:26] <Zef> Good job
L583[18:27:27] <MGR> DANGIT
L584[18:27:27] <Bob> oh
L585[18:27:27] <logan2611> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
L586[18:27:29] <Dudblockman> NOOOOOOOOOO
L587[18:27:29] <Bob> f
L588[18:27:30] <Bob> u
L589[18:27:31] <MGR> I knew it when I saw that name
L590[18:27:32] <LilNoU> REEEE
L591[18:27:35] <Zef> Ban them
L592[18:27:36] <Bob> :GWlulurdMmmYea:
L593[18:27:36] <Mimiru> Well.. I think it's a limitation of Webhooks
L594[18:27:37] <MGR> https://imgur.com/a/YbsOmln
L595[18:27:40] <MGR> BAN THEM
L596[18:27:41] <Mimiru> So go blame discord.
L597[18:27:41] <TheDrummer> @everyone stop spamming
L598[18:27:42] <ModEngineer> oof
L599[18:27:42] <Temia> Incoming bans
L600[18:27:44] <MGR> BAN THEM ALL
L601[18:27:44] <Deoxys_0> these are not real bots, are they?
L602[18:27:46] <SuperCoder79> is this an out of season april fools joke?
L603[18:27:50] <Dudblockman> So we need to sanitize the input
L604[18:27:53] <ModEngineer> *bans me for being toasterstrudelian*
L605[18:27:53] <Bob> Can i borrow the banhammer @Mimiru ?
L606[18:27:54] <MGR> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/087/263/210.gif
L607[18:27:56] <TheDrummer> Yo @SuperCoder79
L608[18:27:59] <SuperCoder79> hi
L609[18:28:00] <TheDrummer> Fancy meeting you here
L610[18:28:01] <Mimiru> cause neither the Corded, or Bots role has access
L611[18:28:04] <Temia> Smooth
L612[18:28:12] <AmandaC> Brilliant
L613[18:28:15] <MGR> Make Corded insert a /
L614[18:28:16] <hilariousppp> oh boi
L615[18:28:37] <AmandaC> Good jorb discord
L616[18:28:37] <Kleadron> gg
L617[18:28:38] <Mimiru> I'll likely make corded replace that with "I'm a moron" or something :D
L618[18:28:39] <Bob> string.gsub("@everyone","everyone")
L619[18:28:43] <Khionu> Webhooks can tag AtEveryone, and the content isn't filtered by a bot
L620[18:28:50] <Khionu> This is... lovely
L621[18:28:52] <enbyspaghetti> yeet
L622[18:29:08] <Vexatos> Mimiru, how does corded even insert zero-width spaces on text
L623[18:29:15] <Vexatos> is it at regular intervals
L624[18:29:17] <MGR> Yes, replace it with "I'm a moron"
L625[18:29:21] <Deoxys_0> nice fake bots lol
L626[18:29:22] <MGR> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/161183383966318592/521732999386103810/dbs116_HD_1.gif
L627[18:29:26] <Temia> And this is why I ultimately prefer IRC
L628[18:29:27] <Vexatos> because I have seen instances of "vex" not ping me
L629[18:29:33] * Temia sips coffee
L630[18:29:35] <Bob> @Deoxys_0 *webhooks*
L631[18:29:43] <Mimiru> Vexatos, it's as close to the middle of the matched nick as possible
L632[18:29:44] <Deoxys_0> :kappa:
L633[18:29:47] <LuMistry> I got pinged
L634[18:29:48] <ModEngineer> *messages @everyone through irc*
L635[18:29:52] <Vexatos> Mimiru, but there is no "vex" here
L636[18:29:58] <Vexatos> and I set hexchat to make that ping me
L637[18:30:15] <Temia> Mod, quit digging your own grave
L638[18:30:18] <Mimiru> yeah it doesn't just stick zws in the middle of everything
L639[18:30:26] <Vexatos> weird
L640[18:30:29] <Bob> @LuMistry There was an @everyone accidental ping outbreak then someone started abusing
L641[18:30:31] <Vexatos> could someone try pinging me like that
L642[18:30:34] <LuMistry> Yes
L643[18:30:35] <Mimiru> It's only supposed to do so in the middle of a nick
L644[18:30:36] <LuMistry> I see that
L645[18:30:41] <Bob> Exuse us for the perturbations
L646[18:30:51] <Bob> :GWjianBEAND:
L647[18:31:02] <Vexatos> test test vex test
L648[18:31:03] <MGR> https://imgur.com/a/kdtrYA7
L649[18:31:04] <Vexatos> yea
L650[18:31:07] <Vexatos> that doesn't ping me
L651[18:31:08] <Vexatos> how odd
L652[18:31:23] <Vexatos> perhaps the bridgebot plugin is interfering
L653[18:31:23] <Bob> Lemme just try to Vex
L654[18:31:26] <Vexatos> wait
L655[18:31:27] <Z0idburg> Oh hello vex a toast
L656[18:31:28] <Vexatos> that worked
L657[18:31:31] <Vexatos> that did not
L658[18:31:32] <Vexatos> wat
L659[18:31:36] <Vexatos> is it case sensitive
L660[18:31:37] <Vexatos> since when
L661[18:31:40] <Bob> vex =/ Vec
L662[18:31:44] <Bob> Vex*
L663[18:31:44] <AmandaC> since NOW
L664[18:31:49] <Bob> Well there you go
L665[18:31:55] <Temia> Time to update the highlights to Vex\>?
L666[18:31:57] <Vexatos> someone try again? the lowercase version
L667[18:32:02] <Bob> vex
L668[18:32:03] <Vexatos> thanks
L669[18:32:04] <Bob> vex
L670[18:32:05] <Vexatos> it works now
L671[18:32:06] <Vexatos> how odd
L672[18:32:08] <Bob> Here
L673[18:32:11] <Temia> How vexing
L674[18:32:13] <Bob> test vex ?
L675[18:32:14] <Vexatos> looks like the wildcard broke
L676[18:32:17] <Vexatos> in hexchat
L677[18:32:21] <Vexatos> yea thanks guys
L678[18:32:22] <S3> WAT is going on
L679[18:32:27] <Bob> Alor
L680[18:32:27] <Vexatos> S3, I am fixing my client
L681[18:32:30] <Vexatos> ;^)
L682[18:32:31] <Bob> alot*
L683[18:32:34] <Vexatos> alot D:
L684[18:32:40] <Vexatos> alot will be missed
L685[18:32:40] <Bob> Disxord ppl got triggered 3 times
L686[18:32:47] <S3> Fix it by uninstalling Hexchat
L687[18:32:48] <Bob> I broke the alot machine
L688[18:32:49] <S3> and install WSL with irssi or weechat
L689[18:32:52] <Vexatos> but hexchat is nice
L690[18:33:14] <Vexatos> S3, does it have https://git.io/fjYNC
L691[18:33:19] <Deoxys_0> @everyone (test)
L692[18:33:21] <S3> There's one massive flaw with hexchat
L693[18:33:24] <Aivech> Vexatoast
L694[18:33:25] <Deoxys_0> interesting
L695[18:33:36] <S3> if you join a server with 50 channels in it hexchat often crashes instantly
L696[18:33:37] <Vexatos> @Aivech that's me
L697[18:33:38] <S3> on Windows
L698[18:33:51] <S3> if it doesn't it will freeze for a while
L699[18:33:52] <Vexatos> S3, see your problem isn't hexchat
L700[18:34:21] <Mimiru> TOASTERSTRUDELIAN, you may or may not notice... your messages aren't going anywhere..
L701[18:34:27] <Mimiru> other than to +o's in the channel
L702[18:34:33] <Vexatos> Because I never had hexchat crash on linux
L703[18:34:34] <ModEngineer> hmm
L704[18:34:37] <Bob> @Deoxys_0 the webhooks have the ability to ping everyone
L705[18:34:37] <Vexatos> I only uh
L706[18:34:38] <ModEngineer> wait
L707[18:34:41] <ModEngineer> i crashed hexchat
L708[18:34:43] <Vexatos> Press Ctrl+Q by accident sometimes
L709[18:34:49] <Vexatos> *cough*
L710[18:34:52] <Vexatos> why does that exist
L711[18:35:02] * Mimiru facepalms
L712[18:35:05] <Deoxys_0> why have you guys attempted to merge a Discord server with an IRC server?
L713[18:35:10] <S3> Well the other problem I have with Hexchat is that it is derived from Xchat.. Ychat to be acurate I think which suffered from a lot of arbitrary root execution exploits over the years.
L714[18:35:18] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 because people started using discord
L715[18:35:18] <ModEngineer> cuz they can
L716[18:35:31] <Deoxys_0> transition to Discord only? lol
L717[18:35:31] <Vexatos> S3, hexchat is very nice
L718[18:35:32] <Bob> And discord is kool and unkool at the same time
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L720[18:35:37] <Vexatos> and it's easy to write python plugins
L721[18:35:43] <Bob> There are alot of ppl using IRC
L722[18:35:44] <AmandaC> @Deoxys_0 because the IRC came first, then the children decided that IRC wasn't new enough, and wanted a discord.
L723[18:35:44] <S3> So I find Hexchat kind of scary
L724[18:35:47] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 but IRC is way superior
L725[18:35:47] <Bob> and not wanting discord
L726[18:35:54] <Deoxys_0> LOL
L727[18:35:57] <S3> I think it has more than python support
L728[18:35:58] <Vexatos> My favourite example if you need one?
L729[18:36:03] <ModEngineer> i got banned on irc
L730[18:36:04] <ModEngineer> wow
L731[18:36:04] <S3> I think it has Perl scripting too
L732[18:36:05] <ModEngineer> gg
L733[18:36:06] <Vexatos> S3, yea lua and perl
L734[18:36:17] <Deoxys_0> I've been in and off IRC a few times and
L735[18:36:21] <Deoxys_0> Discord is far superior IMO
L736[18:36:28] <Bob> Nah
L737[18:36:29] <AmandaC> You're goin to get banned on discord too if you continue being a troll, @ModEngineer
L738[18:36:36] <Bob> ^^
L739[18:36:38] <ModEngineer> ok fine
L740[18:36:40] <ModEngineer> i wont be
L741[18:36:40] <Bob> :GWmythiFeelsBannedMan:
L742[18:36:49] <ModEngineer> ***@everyone***
L743[18:36:53] <AmandaC> "Feels Banned Man"
L744[18:36:56] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 I will fondly remember BTM 2017 where we specifically chose IRC+Mumble over discord for the convention, and then the very weekend BTM happened, the discord servers died twice, one of the times for over an hour
L745[18:36:58] <S3> So, Discord has some massive advantages over current IRC daemons, however IRC is a much simpler protocol
L746[18:37:06] <ModEngineer> did i get permbanned from irc
L747[18:37:11] <S3> the BNF for IRC is very short
L748[18:37:15] <Vexatos> which is exactly why we were not affected
L749[18:37:29] <ModEngineer> what does bnf mean
L750[18:37:36] <Deoxys_0> Discord is more widely popular than IRC as far as I know..... it's a great place to make friends and find communities
L751[18:37:39] <AmandaC> Burkey Notation Furries
L752[18:37:42] <Bob> IRC is so simple you can recreate ir in OC
L753[18:37:44] <S3> Backus Naur Form
L754[18:37:52] <ModEngineer> thanks
L755[18:37:54] <Bob> while doing an discord integration will require an external bpt
L756[18:37:57] <Zef> *furries?*
L757[18:38:03] <Bob> *wat*
L758[18:38:03] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 and it is a great place if you enjoy server outages and CPU spikes
L759[18:38:08] <Bob> ^
L760[18:38:09] <ModEngineer> now i can spam through my opencomputer located on a remote server in canada hosted by shockbyte
L761[18:38:13] <ModEngineer> jk
L762[18:38:15] <ModEngineer> i wouldnt
L763[18:38:21] <Zef> Like server outages don't happen on irc
L764[18:38:22] <Deoxys_0> lol
L765[18:38:24] <Vexatos> esper has a net split every half a year or so for a few minutes
L766[18:38:28] <S3> basically BNF allows you to make a ruleset of grammar
L767[18:38:30] <S3> for parsing
L768[18:38:36] <Vexatos> but that's hardly comparable to how garbage discord's servers are
L769[18:38:44] <ModEngineer> wait
L770[18:38:44] <Bob> Vex youre right on that part, especially since hardware acceleration doesn't work with my cursed hardware and eats 100% of my cpu when opened
L771[18:38:51] <ModEngineer> will the ban show my IP address on the ban?
L772[18:38:55] <Deoxys_0> you guys running toasters? lol
L773[18:38:57] <S3> It's useful for describing programming languages and things
L774[18:38:59] <Deoxys_0> I don't have CPU issues with Discord
L775[18:39:01] <Bob> @Deoxys_0 ye
L776[18:39:09] <Bob> Well my pc is not bad
L777[18:39:09] <Vexatos> @Bob should I mention that discord voice doesn't work at all for many linux users right now, and hasn't been for three months?
L778[18:39:13] <Vexatos> it has not been fixed yet
L779[18:39:27] <S3> I had no trouble with Discord on Linux
L780[18:39:28] <Deoxys_0> steam open + discord open + chrome open = ~4% average CPU usage, !26% memory
L781[18:39:29] <Bob> I struggle to get it working with windows
L782[18:39:35] <Vexatos> As in, voice chat will start eating more and more CPU until it locks the entire discord process
L783[18:39:35] <S3> but then again I don't use mainstream Linux distros
L784[18:39:40] <Deoxys_0> steam open + discord open + chrome open = ~4% average CPU usage, ~26% memory [Edited]
L785[18:39:42] <Vexatos> after anything from 20 to 60 minutes
L786[18:39:45] <Bob> I can't get linux since no drivers wprm
L787[18:39:47] <Bob> work*
L788[18:39:56] <Vexatos> it's glorious
L789[18:40:05] <ModEngineer> Hey, just asking, will my IP show in the banned users list?
L790[18:40:10] <AmandaC> yes
L791[18:40:11] <Deoxys_0> I've been in Discord voice chat sessions for as long as 5 hours lol
L792[18:40:12] <Bob> Go look
L793[18:40:15] <S3> I think they probably do Bob, you probably just need to use the correct ones and / or load firmware
L794[18:40:17] <Deoxys_0> and haven't had any issues
L795[18:40:17] <Temia> I haven't had issues with spiralling death with discord voice
L796[18:40:18] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 on linux?
L797[18:40:26] <S3> It's hard to find systems drivers aren't avalable for anymore on Linux
L798[18:40:27] <Deoxys_0> I'm on windows lol
L799[18:40:28] <Temia> Granted, I run it through apulse
L800[18:40:35] <Bob> Try on the superior system Linux
L801[18:40:35] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 then you should learn to read
L802[18:40:37] <Bob> and you will see
L803[18:40:38] <ModEngineer> @AmandaC were you replying to me?
L804[18:40:38] <S3> The driver thing was a problem back when I started using Linux
L805[18:40:44] <Deoxys_0> "superior system" *can't run Discord*
L806[18:41:04] <Temia> I'm literally running discord just fine
L807[18:41:06] <Bob> Windows : for defects in windows do print(defects) end
L808[18:41:07] <AmandaC> I prefer IRC over discord, because it's where most of my friends are.
L809[18:41:14] <Bob> memory overflow soon
L810[18:41:16] <Deoxys_0> I am aware that Linux is a better system if you're an active developer
L811[18:41:20] <Temia> Granted I don't *like* discord
L812[18:41:25] <Deoxys_0> however, it is a poorer choice if you are more into gaming and other hobbies
L813[18:41:34] <Bob> Well no really depends
L814[18:41:38] <AmandaC> Magic thought: maybe just MAYBE that's the same true for most people who prefer discord.
L815[18:41:40] <ModEngineer> wait
L816[18:41:43] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 oh man I know a guy who used windows until it forcibly updated and his microphone stopped working for good
L817[18:41:50] <Vexatos> so discord isn't working for him either :^)
L818[18:41:54] <Bob> @Vexatos Me ?
L819[18:41:59] <ModEngineer> i didnt get the message, does my ip show in banlist?
L820[18:41:59] <Deoxys_0> I'm not having any issues :L
L821[18:42:02] <Vexatos> he's using linux now
L822[18:42:05] <ModEngineer> b/c i kinda dont want that
L823[18:42:07] <Temia> I don't like it from a technical and design standpoint
L824[18:42:13] <Bob> i wish i could find working drivers
L825[18:42:15] <S3> I'm probably going to make somebody mad, but setting the Windows kernel aside since I won't even talk about that rubbish- the Linux kernel as a whole is very convoluted and kind of annoying to be honest.
L826[18:42:21] <Temia> I hate that more and more people are going to it over IRC
L827[18:42:22] <S3> out of all the systems I've looked at
L828[18:42:25] <Bob> my 8 years old cursed hardware collection just wont
L829[18:42:27] <Vexatos> On an unrelated note, I found out something interesting about discord voice's sound processing
L830[18:42:32] <Deoxys_0> the only issue I have with Linux is that you have to take extra steps to play games and run programs because most of them do not have native Linux supports; from my end, it would make modding Spore (a game I sometimes mod) impossible
L831[18:42:34] <Vexatos> it is actually ONLY optimized for spoken voice
L832[18:42:40] <Deoxys_0> due to Spore having severe limitations with Linux in regards to modding
L833[18:42:43] <Deoxys_0> at least, as far as I know
L834[18:42:44] <CompanionCube> if anyone suggests discord only again i'm stealing temia's axe and murdering them with it.
L835[18:42:45] <Mimiru> @ModEngineer your IP is in the logs from your join. your entire IP is not in the ban list, just a chunk of your host mask.
L836[18:42:46] <Vexatos> it sucks at singing and musical instruments
L837[18:42:47] <CompanionCube> problem?
L838[18:42:58] <ModEngineer> thanks for clarifying
L839[18:43:00] <ModEngineer> just security stuff
L840[18:43:04] <Temia> I will happily loan it to you for that purpose
L841[18:43:19] <Mimiru> Bridge bot is restarting
L842[18:43:23] <Deoxys_0> I'm also going into C++ development, which ideally is best for windows
L843[18:43:30] <ModEngineer> i feel accomplished
L844[18:43:31] <Deoxys_0> (I'm a computer science major)
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L848[18:43:51] <Mimiru> .
L849[18:43:52] <Deoxys_0> it is, but C++ makes heavy use of many things that windows has
L850[18:44:01] <Mimiru> K, let's test in production.
L851[18:44:02] <Bob> I see
L852[18:44:16] <CompanionCube> S3: the NT kernel is itself rather decent
L853[18:44:16] <Bob> isn't there Microsoft's C# ?
L854[18:44:17] <Mimiru> Welp
L855[18:44:21] <AmandaC> C++ isn't any more windows-centric than any other generic systems programming languages
L856[18:44:23] <Deoxys_0> I believe you have a wider range of options in working with C++ on windows than on another operating system
L857[18:44:28] <CompanionCube> all the shittiness is mostly concentrated in the Win32 subsystem
L858[18:44:29] <ModEngineer> hank
L859[18:44:30] <Deoxys_0> because of how C++ relies heavily on libraries
L860[18:44:36] <CompanionCube> ....that's not how it works
L861[18:44:37] <Temia> Um.
L862[18:44:38] <Deoxys_0> and many of these libraries only work on windows
L863[18:44:45] <Deoxys_0> i.e, include <windows.h>
L864[18:44:51] <CompanionCube> ....that's not a C++
L865[18:44:52] * Temia sighs and facepalms
L866[18:44:52] <Venō̠̭͙͔̹̭͊̍͞m͈̐̋̇ͪ̋́̂̕ッ> reee ping
L867[18:44:54] <ModEngineer> i made a computer program that literally floats a tardis on your screen
L868[18:44:56] <CompanionCube> that's the Windows SDK
L869[18:45:01] <Bob> ^
L870[18:45:02] <Bob> Yep
L871[18:45:07] <Deoxys_0> which is tied into C++? idk I'm still a newbie
L872[18:45:08] <Bob> youre messing ip everything
L873[18:45:13] <Vexatos> yea
L874[18:45:15] <Vexatos> I can tell you are >-<
L875[18:45:29] <Deoxys_0> but I get annoyed when people go around saying "Linux is the best" and then hate on anyone who thinks even slightly different
L876[18:45:37] <Bob> I mean even I don't do cpp it seems really strange
L877[18:45:42] <Deoxys_0> I'm not skilled enough nor willing enough to go through the effort to make Linux work
L878[18:45:48] <Deoxys_0> and, as already mentioned, it would break everything Spore related I do
L879[18:45:54] <Deoxys_0> there is no way the Spore Mod API would work on Linux
L880[18:45:55] <Bob> C++ is another C and C is english assembly kind of so cross platform
L881[18:45:58] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 oh me and two guys I know could easily write a book "1001 reasons why windows is bad" my opinion is well-founded
L882[18:46:13] <Deoxys_0> no Spore = no go
L883[18:46:13] <CompanionCube> it's tied into C++ because that's what it's written in and for
L884[18:46:13] <Bob> Vexatos i could help too
L885[18:46:14] <AmandaC> Man, windows is terrible for C++, can't even `#include <linux/fuse.h>`
L886[18:46:22] <CompanionCube> but the relationship is strictly one-way
L887[18:46:33] <Deoxys_0> Spore and Linux do not get along if you have any interesting modding the game :L
L888[18:46:33] * Temia ^5 Amanda
L889[18:46:33] <﹒> yaaay
L890[18:46:36] <Bob> *i use Lua for coding*
L891[18:46:48] <Vexatos> AmandaC, remember when windows 10 came along and broke half the c++ stdlib
L892[18:46:48] <Deoxys_0> even it's creator (the creator of the mod API) has said it will likely never work on Linux
L893[18:46:49] <Vexatos> good times
L894[18:46:55] <Bob> But linux shell is so good for adding libs into Lua
L895[18:46:57] <CompanionCube> how does the Spore Mod API work on windows, do tell?
L896[18:47:08] * Temia ... in the form of petting and earrubs
L897[18:47:11] <AmandaC> Probably binary patchin
L898[18:47:11] <Deoxys_0> it's injection based as far as I know; I'm not the one who made it though
L899[18:47:14] <Deoxys_0> .dll injection
L900[18:47:21] <CompanionCube> ah
L901[18:47:27] <S3> %search urban CompanionCube
L902[18:47:28] <MichiBot> S3: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Weighted Companion Cube - *Urban Dictionary: Weighted Companion Cube*: "While it has been a faithful companion, your companion cube cannot accompany you through the rest of the test. If it could talk - and the Enrichment Center takes ..."
L903[18:47:32] <Vexatos> but uh doesn't monomod do just that
L904[18:47:33] <Deoxys_0> it's not compatible with special launchers for games, which Linux often has to have in order to make any game run
L905[18:47:55] <CompanionCube> injecting shared libraries is easy enough on Linux too
L906[18:47:57] <AmandaC> wine isn't that complex
L907[18:48:06] <CompanionCube> there's a whole tradition of doing it :p
L908[18:48:07] <Deoxys_0> it's not injecting libraries
L909[18:48:12] <Deoxys_0> it alters the code of Spore itself
L910[18:48:15] <Vexatos> but
L911[18:48:16] <Deoxys_0> by injecting code direclty
L912[18:48:23] <Vexatos> have you heard of the monomod project
L913[18:48:23] <AmandaC> esp with fun stuff like PlayOnLinux
L914[18:48:25] <Vexatos> it does just that
L915[18:48:29] <Temia> DLLs are libraries.
L916[18:48:31] <Bob> it can't be that hard
L917[18:48:38] <AmandaC> Dynamic Link L....
L918[18:48:43] <S3> What do you mean special launchers for games
L919[18:48:46] <Deoxys_0> why take the extra steps though if I'm happy with windows?
L920[18:48:49] <CompanionCube> there's LD_PRELOAD, LD_LIBRARY_PATH...
L921[18:48:50] * S3 shakes his head
L922[18:48:52] <Temia> Ay yi yi
L923[18:48:53] <S3> kids these days
L924[18:48:54] <Deoxys_0> ModAPI will not work with wine
L925[18:49:10] <AmandaC> Nobody's forcing you to use Linux, we're just saying that most of your points aren't that big a deal / hard to work around for users
L926[18:49:12] <CompanionCube> what does wine fail to implement correctly, then?
L927[18:49:19] <﹒>
L928[18:49:21] <CompanionCube> I'm sure they'd accept a bug report.
L929[18:49:23] <CookiesBeware> Windows for gaming is still the best option. Programming is up to preference and language.
L930[18:49:23] <KommandGamer> I just tried to ping everyone. yeet
L931[18:49:25] <ModEngineer> yeet
L932[18:49:29] <ModEngineer>
L933[18:49:29] <Deoxys_0> well i have to go get him
L934[18:49:31] <CompanionCube> also +1 AmandaC
L935[18:49:31] <Deoxys_0> I didn't make the mod API
L936[18:49:33] <ModEngineer>
L937[18:49:34] <ModEngineer>
L938[18:49:37] <ModEngineer> no text
L939[18:49:39] <Deoxys_0> he just told me, as far as I can remember, it won't work on Linux
L940[18:49:41] <S3> Do you know what Wine even does?
L941[18:49:46] <Deoxys_0> not really
L942[18:49:50] <Vexatos> CompanionCube, oh man wine has become so good lately
L943[18:49:51] <Deoxys_0> I find the concept silly though
L944[18:49:55] <Vexatos> like holy poop
L945[18:49:55] <Deoxys_0> I like to just launch games as is
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L949[18:50:10] <Vexatos> I can run basically any game that doesn't have anticheat stuff now
L950[18:50:12] * Temia facepalm x2 combo
L951[18:50:19] <S3> If you don't understand how Wine works, you can't really complain about it...
L952[18:50:32] <Mimiru> Ok, there.
L953[18:50:34] <Vexatos> and considering anticheat software is nothing other than malware I am not too sad about that
L954[18:50:34] <Mimiru> I hope
L955[18:50:36] <Bob> If Nvidia had drivers for linux
L956[18:50:36] <Mimiru> :D
L957[18:50:40] <Bob> that work for me
L958[18:50:41] <AmandaC> @Bob they do?
L959[18:50:58] <Vexatos> how else do you think CUDA computation would work
L960[18:50:58] <CompanionCube> maybe their GPU is one nvidia stopped supporting
L961[18:51:04] <Bob> I need to retry, last time it was a disaster
L962[18:51:15] <Vexatos> CompanionCube, pls I have a GTX 750 you cannot get much older than that on a 64 bit PC
L963[18:51:23] <Vexatos> and that is supported
L964[18:51:26] <Bob> GTX 650 here
L965[18:51:31] <Temia> Maybe, but you've got the option of the binary drivers or nouveau at least
L966[18:51:31] <Deoxys_0> Emd isn't on right now
L967[18:51:37] <Deoxys_0> asked co-developer of the ModAPI instead
L968[18:51:39] <Deoxys_0> he said this
L969[18:51:41] <Deoxys_0> "Recent advancements in Wine have me optimistic regarding the Spore ModAPI Launcher Kit on Linux, though I've yet to see any conclusive results"
L970[18:51:48] <Deoxys_0> and he's a supporter of Linux
L971[18:51:50] <CompanionCube> Temia: for gaming only the former option is realistic, though :p
L972[18:51:53] <Deoxys_0> but doesn't use it because of issues with Spore modding
L973[18:51:55] <Temia> Yeah
L974[18:52:09] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 spore itself definitely runs just fine on linux
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L976[18:52:18] <Temia> Nouveau's making strides at least
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L979[18:52:20] <Mimiru> One more time...
L980[18:52:22] <Mimiru> There we go
L981[18:52:29] <CompanionCube> (doesn't help that nvidia are dicks about nouveau support compared to AMD)
L982[18:52:40] <Deoxys_0> yes, itself.....
L983[18:52:45] <Deoxys_0> but only if you want to play vanilla forever
L984[18:52:51] <Mimiru> K, now that I've pissed everyone off once.
L985[18:52:53] <Mimiru> let's do it again!
L986[18:52:55] <Mimiru> @everyone
L987[18:52:56] <Temia> I mean, they're also dicks about PCI passthrough
L988[18:53:04] <Mimiru> Also @here !
L989[18:53:05] <CompanionCube> true
L990[18:53:14] <AmandaC> I've not played sport in... years at this point
L991[18:53:24] <AmandaC> Spore*
L992[18:53:31] <AmandaC> I should proof-read more often
L993[18:53:35] <S3> The thing is Deoxys_0, Linux can naturally run code in a Windows DLL file out of the box. The problem is kernel calls are not included. Wine basiclaly provides that glue to reimplemented Windows functions that Software looks for. This is why Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator"
L994[18:53:40] <S3> nbecause it's not an emulator
L995[18:53:43] <S3> it's just API glue.
L996[18:53:45] <Mimiru> There, everyone and here is replaced
L997[18:53:48] <Bob> Compat Layer
L998[18:54:01] <Bob> Mimiru can you test them ?
L999[18:54:08] <Mimiru> I literally just did
L1000[18:54:11] <Mimiru> @everyone
L1001[18:54:12] <AmandaC> She just did
L1002[18:54:12] <Mimiru> @here
L1003[18:54:13] <Deoxys_0> well, sadly Spore + Spore mods (even though I'm on hiatus from modding myself) are too important to me
L1004[18:54:13] <Bob> Yayyy
L1005[18:54:16] <Deoxys_0> I like what Linux is
L1006[18:54:17] <Mimiru> that's everyone and here
L1007[18:54:20] <Deoxys_0> but it isn't worth losing Spore
L1008[18:54:28] <Deoxys_0> and frankly right now, it isn't worth the trouble
L1009[18:54:32] <Deoxys_0> if I get Linux, I'll get it on a new computer
L1010[18:54:36] <Deoxys_0> instead of trying to transform my existing one
L1011[18:54:43] <CompanionCube> decent idea
L1012[18:54:47] <AmandaC> If you get a computer for linnux, I highly recommend System76
L1013[18:54:54] <Temia> That's fine, just don't go spreading misinformation about Linux
L1014[18:54:59] <AmandaC> They've been great, even after the warrenty's expored.
L1015[18:55:02] <AmandaC> expired*
L1016[18:55:07] <Bob> They make specially computers to work with linux
L1017[18:55:16] <CompanionCube> (though if you have a decent amount of spare-disk space it may be useful to try a dual-boot)
L1018[18:55:18] <Bob> They made Pop os right ?
L1019[18:55:19] <Deoxys_0> I mean I was correct.... as it stands now, there is no support for the ModAPI on Linux and getting it to work maybe impossible right now
L1020[18:55:32] <Temia> Not really
L1021[18:55:42] <Deoxys_0> nobody in the Spore modding community uses Linux
L1022[18:55:49] <S3> One problem Wine has had back from the early days before Wine 0.x, back in pre 2010 or so when I used Wine for playing games a lot and such.. is that Wine's functions were written very stricly, expecting a sane environment. One interesting thing about Windows is that Windows is actually very forgiving in many aspects, and software doesn't generally crash unless all hell breaks loose. Wine was strict enough at the
L1023[18:55:49] <Deoxys_0> and thus, none of us would know how to make it work
L1024[18:55:53] * CompanionCube hasn't played spore in forever but i have a copy...somewhere.
L1025[18:55:53] <Deoxys_0> someone else would have to step in
L1026[18:55:55] <S3> time that if the functions were available most software for Windows was written poorly
L1027[18:55:58] <S3> so it would break with Wine
L1028[18:56:01] <Mimiru> also.. https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360041582571-Disable-Webhook-messages-from-using-everyone-here
L1029[18:56:02] <Mimiru> lol
L1030[18:56:04] <AmandaC> They sent me another replacement fan for not-much even after the warrenty's ended, and even sent me the instructions to re-install it again
L1031[18:56:25] <CompanionCube> maybe at some point it'd be worth a look
L1032[18:56:26] <Deoxys_0> also, even though there are things like wine and all that
L1033[18:56:28] <Temia> Regardless, everything you said up to that point has been misinformed or erroneous
L1034[18:56:32] <Deoxys_0> most games today are not made with dedicated Linux support
L1035[18:56:39] <Deoxys_0> and right now I'm still early in my major
L1036[18:56:43] <Deoxys_0> so I'm doing more game playing than coding
L1037[18:56:49] <Bob> Actually no
L1038[18:56:53] <Z0idburg> What is your major btw?
L1039[18:56:56] <Deoxys_0> computer science
L1040[18:56:57] <Bob> More and more stuff is being ported ro Linux
L1041[18:56:59] <Z0idburg> OH GOD
L1042[18:57:02] <Z0idburg> I feel bad
L1043[18:57:09] <Bob> Hahaha rip
L1044[18:57:15] <Deoxys_0> this again?
L1045[18:57:15] <Temia> CS major
L1046[18:57:17] <Deoxys_0> I had this on another server
L1047[18:57:19] <Deoxys_0> made me feel awful
L1048[18:57:21] <Temia> that explains everything.
L1049[18:57:24] <Deoxys_0> if you guys are going to make fun of me for my major
L1050[18:57:24] <Vexatos> Everyone I know that studies computer science tells me it's so easy they have nothing to do all day D:
L1051[18:57:26] <Deoxys_0> then I'm leaving
L1052[18:57:32] <Temia> I'm sorry.
L1053[18:57:35] <AmandaC> You know that Steam has like, an entire system set up to make windows games run on linux, right? Look into recent Steam PLay stuff
L1054[18:57:41] <Deoxys_0> I shouldn't be berated over getting a major in something I enjoy
L1055[18:57:43] <Bob> ^^
L1056[18:57:50] <Deoxys_0> also, it varies by semester
L1057[18:57:55] <Z0idburg> Nah I was teasing Deoxys
L1058[18:57:56] <Deoxys_0> last semester I had, on average, 1 hour of free time a day
L1059[18:57:58] <Deoxys_0> even on some weekends
L1060[18:58:00] <Temia> Look into computer engineering as a major, that's all I'll say on it
L1061[18:58:03] <Deoxys_0> it was f**king awful
L1062[18:58:05] <Dudblockman> I'm ex-mechanical now CS
L1063[18:58:39] <Deoxys_0> and I'm tired of people saying CS majors are useless
L1064[18:58:43] <Deoxys_0> it's hurtful to all those who get them
L1065[18:58:44] <Dudblockman> Robotics!
L1066[18:58:49] <Deoxys_0> you don't see me making fun of other majors
L1067[18:59:01] <Deoxys_0> and those who say those things never do any research
L1068[18:59:10] <AmandaC> Nobody's making fun of your major, calm your tits
L1069[18:59:11] <Deoxys_0> right now, in the area I live in, computer science majors have the highest chance of being hired
L1070[18:59:13] <Vexatos> I do research for a living, am I allowed to make fun of them?
L1071[18:59:26] <Deoxys_0> something like triple the chance of getting hired if you're an engineering major
L1072[18:59:39] <Deoxys_0> also, the SPECIFIC field I'm going into REQUIRES CS
L1073[18:59:44] <Deoxys_0> it does not apply to computer engineering
L1074[18:59:52] <Vexatos> See all you need to do
L1075[18:59:54] <Deoxys_0> if I did computer engineering, it'd void the field I'm going into and ruin it
L1076[19:00:06] <Vexatos> is be like me
L1077[19:00:08] <Vexatos> give up ALL your free time and sanity for the present and future
L1078[19:00:08] * Temia yawns
L1079[19:00:13] <Vexatos> study chemistry
L1080[19:00:15] <Vexatos> live chemistry
L1081[19:00:17] <Vexatos> die chemistry
L1082[19:00:20] <Vexatos> ONLY CHEMISTRY
L1083[19:00:22] <Deoxys_0> I'm specifically going into Remote Sensing
L1084[19:00:24] <Vexatos> the only science
L1085[19:00:25] <Dudblockman> I guess I'm on the weird edge of having robotics engineering as my goal
L1086[19:00:25] <Deoxys_0> it is a pair on with computer science
L1087[19:00:26] <Vexatos> everything else is trash
L1088[19:00:28] <Vexatos> :^)
L1089[19:00:31] <Deoxys_0> and as far as I know, it has no connections to computer engineering
L1090[19:00:42] <Deoxys_0> so if I switched to computer engineering, I wouldn't be able to do the jobs I want
L1091[19:00:49] <Bob> i have no idea what branch i will choose
L1092[19:00:53] <AmandaC> There is no life, only chemistry, Vexatos?
L1093[19:00:57] <Vexatos> yes
L1094[19:01:00] <Z0idburg> So, when I was in Computer Engineering we had one class where there was one student from the Computer Science department taking our class. I think the class was microprocessor architecture, I forget, but anyways - the professor came in one day and grinned REALLY, REALLY widely at the computer science student, and he says, "OKAY CLASS, (this guy was korean or something btw) "KNOW WHAT difference between computer science student and computer
L1095[19:01:01] <Z0idburg> engineering student is?!"
L1096[19:01:01] <Z0idburg> The whole class remained silent.. and then we all kind of looked at the CS student and that student goes, "what's the difference?"
L1097[19:01:01] <Z0idburg> The professor laughed and said, "COMPUTER ENGINEERING STUDENT KNOW WHAT POINTER IS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
L1098[19:01:03] <Z0idburg> It was hilarious
L1099[19:01:15] <Temia> So, about tits and the calming thereof...
L1100[19:01:23] <Deoxys_0> well he's wrong
L1101[19:01:26] <Deoxys_0> I know what a pointer is :L
L1102[19:01:36] <Deoxys_0> look, I'm sorry okay?
L1103[19:01:41] <Deoxys_0> I have a lot of self esteem issues
L1104[19:01:41] <Vexatos> Temia, use smoke to scare them away, they prefer small grains over larger ones
L1105[19:01:45] <Deoxys_0> so when I go on about my major
L1106[19:01:50] <Deoxys_0> and everyone jumps on me like I'm some horrible person
L1107[19:01:52] <Deoxys_0> it's not helpful
L1108[19:02:00] <Z0idburg> don't worry about that
L1109[19:02:01] <AmandaC> Nobody's doing that, though
L1110[19:02:14] <Temia> I don't want to scare birds away though!
L1111[19:02:14] <AmandaC> ... Amazon, you fuckers batter not have forgotten my Solder
L1112[19:02:16] <Deoxys_0> this is the second time at least one person has told me how awful CS is and how awful I am at choosing it or something along those lines
L1113[19:02:26] <Temia> unless it's to keep Amanda from eating them
L1114[19:02:34] <AmandaC> Oh, it'll be here the 24th
L1115[19:02:36] <AmandaC> great
L1116[19:02:41] <Z0idburg> we built CPUs and other weird trinkets, you come up with problem solving theories to design better data, huh? HUH? ?
L1117[19:02:44] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 I mean in my eyses computer engineering is just as easy and stupid so
L1118[19:02:44] <Z0idburg> what's wrong with that
L1119[19:02:48] <Z0idburg> I'm just pooking at that but
L1120[19:02:50] <AmandaC> The part I REALLY NEEDED will be here the 24th.
L1121[19:02:50] <Vexatos> don't take it too hard
L1122[19:02:52] <Vexatos> :^)
L1123[19:03:27] <AmandaC> Temia: I'd never eat a tit without prior consent, I'm just that much of a lady.
L1124[19:03:27] <Temia> Someone get a physicist in here to knock Vex down a peg ;p
L1125[19:03:43] <Z0idburg> Vexas except that at my school it's part of the Electrical Engineering department which meant you had to take random signal analysis and differential equations and all that fun stuff that in our school CS students didn't have to take
L1126[19:03:47] <Vexatos> Temia, Rember physicists must believe they are superior to absolutely everyone or they won't survive the thought of never getting a job in physics
L1127[19:03:54] <Z0idburg> Vexatos*
L1128[19:04:07] <Z0idburg> you graduate here with a math minor if you take ECE
L1129[19:04:18] <Vexatos> I know like six people who have a physics PhD
L1130[19:04:24] <CompanionCube> huh
L1131[19:04:25] <Deoxys_0> I applied for like 50 internships.... none of them wanted skills involving building computers or understanding how they work at the barest level.... they all wanted PROGRAMMING
L1132[19:04:25] <Vexatos> most of them work in computer science
L1133[19:04:35] <Vexatos> in fields that have nothing to do with physics at all
L1134[19:04:38] <Z0idburg> I can see that
L1135[19:05:08] <Vexatos> @Z0idburg o boi electrical engineering is hard stuff you learn theoretical electronics there
L1136[19:05:17] <Z0idburg> Deoxys_0 My advice. Expand your interests. Keep with CS, but dive into CE as well. It'l be worth it.
L1137[19:05:24] <Deoxys_0> I can't
L1138[19:05:25] <Vexatos> I don't want to see an expanded maxwell equation ever again :^)
L1139[19:05:26] <Z0idburg> not necessarily academicalluy
L1140[19:05:28] <Deoxys_0> not unless I want to give up remote sensing
L1141[19:05:32] <Vexatos> or whatever those are called in English
L1142[19:05:39] <Z0idburg> ?
L1143[19:05:41] <Dudblockman> See, the CS majors here shit on the CS:EAE majors
L1144[19:05:55] <Deoxys_0> does anyone here even know what remote sensing is?
L1145[19:06:07] <Temia> Is he still going?
L1146[19:06:18] <Vexatos> meanwhile chemistry majors can shit on everyone else to boost their self-esteem :^)
L1147[19:06:22] <Deoxys_0> (am I breaking any rules?)
L1148[19:06:28] <Dudblockman> Because the video game CS majors are a different crop than the vanilla CS majors
L1149[19:06:44] <Deoxys_0> also, it's she, not he :L
L1150[19:06:47] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 you say you want a job that requires programming?
L1151[19:06:54] <Vexatos> and you're studying CS for that?
L1152[19:06:57] <Vexatos> did I miss something
L1153[19:07:01] <Temia> My mistake, she
L1154[19:07:04] <S3> ok
L1155[19:07:04] <Vexatos> wasn't CE the thing where you learn actual programming
L1156[19:07:11] <Vexatos> and CS the stuff where you learn the theory behind it
L1157[19:07:18] <Vexatos> it is over here at least
L1158[19:07:29] <Vexatos> most CS students I know barely learnt java and C
L1159[19:07:33] <S3> CE is more logic and systems programming
L1160[19:07:35] <Deoxys_0> @Vexatos are you saying that in a sarcastic tone? Literally all my CS classes are just pure programming
L1161[19:07:40] <Vexatos> how odd
L1162[19:07:42] <Deoxys_0> everything from writing simple programs to building entire software
L1163[19:07:43] <S3> CPU architecture design, sigital signal processing, etc
L1164[19:07:56] <Temia> I'm not one to intentionally misgender so I apologize
L1165[19:08:05] <AmandaC> It's almost like.... It's different in different regions!
L1166[19:08:08] <S3> it's the digital half of Electrical Engineering
L1167[19:08:09] <Temia> I get on people's cases enough when it happens to me <.<
L1168[19:08:13] <Vexatos> Like I know people who jsut got their bachelor's degree in CS and they barely know Java, C, and haskell if they're at a good uni
L1169[19:08:27] <Vexatos> Temia, you're not an ox?
L1170[19:08:39] <AmandaC> Temia: Why would you do that? Such a bad them!
L1171[19:08:42] <Temia> fyiam
L1172[19:08:43] <S3> I worked with a guy who was taking his final year in CS once, he didn't know what a NAND gate was
L1173[19:09:07] <Temia> And the m stands for minotaurrr
L1174[19:09:13] <Temia> Rawr. Moo.
L1175[19:09:22] <Deoxys_0> CS for me: https://catalog.uah.edu/undergrad/course-descriptions/cs/
L1176[19:09:23] <Deoxys_0> CPE for me: https://catalog.uah.edu/undergrad/course-descriptions/cpe/
L1177[19:09:23] <Vexatos> S3, meanwhile we learnt how to make gates during our _chemistry_ degree
L1178[19:09:28] <Vexatos> which has literally nothing to do with it
L1179[19:09:28] <Bob> S3 :GWlulurdWaitWhat:
L1180[19:09:32] <Vexatos> it couldn't be further
L1181[19:09:35] <S3> hahaha
L1182[19:09:42] <Deoxys_0> please look at those two links I posted
L1183[19:09:50] <Deoxys_0> then, Vex, tell me which major is better for my interests
L1184[19:09:59] <Vexatos> oh god
L1185[19:10:01] <Bob> I didn't even reached University, using my freetime to learn more and more, and know most of this
L1186[19:10:01] <Vexatos> I am sorry
L1187[19:10:07] <Vexatos> I forgot the USA existed
L1188[19:10:15] <S3> I don't know about you but if you're in CS and you don't know what a NAND gate is by the end of your educational career wtf
L1189[19:10:19] <Vexatos> a.k.a. the world's most FABULOUS education system
L1190[19:10:23] <Vexatos> yea uh
L1191[19:10:26] <Temia> Deoxys, let it be known we don't disparage you for your choice, just that CS has a very bad rap for people coasting through it without any idea what they're doing
L1192[19:10:27] <Vexatos> you know more about that than me
L1193[19:10:35] <Bob> Vex, did you saw the French education system
L1194[19:10:43] <S3> gradumacated
L1195[19:10:44] <Vexatos> everything I know about the murican education system is negative
L1196[19:10:46] <Vexatos> literally everything
L1197[19:10:46] <S3> got yer diplomer?
L1198[19:10:50] <Deoxys_0> Temia, that may not apply everywhere though
L1199[19:10:51] <Bob> Most money put into it yet it's almost the worst
L1200[19:10:54] <Vexatos> and I know an unfortunately large amount
L1201[19:10:59] <Deoxys_0> you guys are applying assumptions to literally every university on the planet
L1202[19:11:04] <S3> Vexatoast is a smart kid
L1203[19:11:11] <S3> youy should listen to him more often
L1204[19:11:17] <Bob> Vexistoast
L1205[19:11:21] <AmandaC> Welcome to the game, French Educational System, There is a hacksaw in the middle of the room, you must amputate your foot to escape this puzzle room.
L1206[19:11:41] <Bob> Glad to be not french
L1207[19:11:42] <Vexatos> like the USA has trash schools, useless high-level education, overpriced universities that don't properly prepare for the jobs ahead, etc etc
L1208[19:11:53] <S3> However, I am concerned Vexatos, the wonder that literally got his super degree way too early
L1209[19:11:58] <Deoxys_0> please tell me that none of the "bots"/admins here are mod devs
L1210[19:12:07] <Deoxys_0> for OpenComputers
L1211[19:12:16] <Bob> Admins are devs
L1212[19:12:18] <AmandaC> payonel isn't here right now, but I have an open PR for it
L1213[19:12:19] <Vexatos> OC has mod devs=
L1214[19:12:20] <Temia> Plenty are contributors
L1215[19:12:20] <Bob> Of the mod
L1216[19:12:21] <Vexatos> ?
L1217[19:12:22] <Vexatos> D:
L1218[19:12:29] <Vexatos> I thought all the devs died!
L1219[19:12:31] <S3> Vexatos: do you know how to chop wood, do the dishes, cook dinner, tow a trailer, build a house, etc?
L1220[19:12:33] <Deoxys_0> so the two people who haven't said anything bad regarding CS
L1221[19:12:36] <S3> curious
L1222[19:12:37] <Deoxys_0> good to know
L1223[19:12:41] <Temia> Vex maintains computronics, one of the biggest addons
L1224[19:12:46] * AmandaC sighs
L1225[19:12:48] <Bob> Hahaha S3 no school teaches that
L1226[19:12:53] <Deoxys_0> otherwise, I wasn't going to continue supporting a mod that trash talks CS majors
L1227[19:13:05] <Bob> Pure survivalism
L1228[19:13:07] <S3> I know
L1229[19:13:13] <Vexatos> S3, most of that yes but I also live on a farm so
L1230[19:13:15] <Bob> I'm extremely bad at it
L1231[19:13:19] <S3> bob, if I ever had a school I'd make those important
L1232[19:13:25] <S3> well there you go
L1233[19:13:28] <Temia> Get a grip on yourself, holy crap
L1234[19:13:31] <S3> so Vexatos has some skills
L1235[19:13:38] <S3> there are several people your age who aren't so lucky
L1236[19:13:39] <CompanionCube> chopping wood seems out of place
L1237[19:13:43] <S3> and are smart people in general
L1238[19:13:44] <Vexatos> @Deoxys_0 the main dev is a CS graduate IIRC
L1239[19:13:56] <Bob> Wait how old is Vex ?
L1240[19:13:58] <CompanionCube> (as does towing a trailer)
L1241[19:13:59] <Vexatos> 21
L1242[19:14:08] <S3> needless to say I am concerned that if the Internet shut down nobody would know how to do anything
L1243[19:14:09] <Bob> Ah okay
L1244[19:14:09] <Temia> You can be a CS major and acknowledge that there are problems with CS programs out there
L1245[19:14:16] <AmandaC> ... you're younger than me, Vexatos?
L1246[19:14:26] <Vexatos> AmandaC, aren't you one of the oldest here
L1247[19:14:30] <CompanionCube> S3: that would be the least of everyone's problems.
L1248[19:14:31] <Bob> If the internet wouldn't exist, i wouldn't be smart at all
L1249[19:14:32] <AmandaC> ... I hop enot
L1250[19:14:33] <Vexatos> along with like Temia
L1251[19:14:35] <S3> no
L1252[19:14:37] <AmandaC> I'm only like 18. D:
L1253[19:14:40] <AmandaC> 28*
L1254[19:14:43] <Bob> I might be the youngest
L1255[19:14:46] <S3> I WAS GOING TO SAY
L1256[19:14:46] <Temia> 29.
L1257[19:14:46] <Bob> :GWchadMEGATHINK:
L1258[19:14:49] <S3> 30
L1259[19:14:58] <Bob> Oofskies
L1260[19:15:06] <S3> Mimiru: is even older
L1261[19:15:10] <S3> she's over the hill
L1262[19:15:24] <Bob> Don't make me feel like a toddler
L1263[19:15:26] <Vexatos> S3, I am currently interested in learning whittling and carving
L1264[19:15:26] <Temia> S3, I *will* loan her my axe
L1265[19:15:29] <Vexatos> meaning I will never do it
L1266[19:15:40] <S3> lol
L1267[19:15:43] <Vexatos> I can survive in the wild that's no problem >_>
L1268[19:15:51] <S3> Temia: come on you wouldn't you're too nice for that!
L1269[19:15:52] <Vexatos> I still suck at cooking though
L1270[19:15:57] <Vexatos> mostly because I never get the chance to
L1271[19:15:58] <Temia> :l
L1272[19:16:09] * Temia staaaares at S3
L1273[19:16:14] <S3> but but but
L1274[19:16:15] <Bob> I think i can learn carving by being bored in class and making statues out of an eraser and a scisor
L1275[19:16:20] <Vexatos> @Bob why does it matter how old I am >-<
L1276[19:16:31] <Bob> Just wondering
L1277[19:16:51] <Vexatos> youngest guy with a chemistry degree at university wee
L1278[19:16:56] <Bob> Thinking way too much aheaad of time
L1279[19:16:58] <S3> literally
L1280[19:16:58] <Temia> So wait, did she go quiet or did she leave the Discord altogether?
L1281[19:17:07] <S3> Vexatos is like a mini genius
L1282[19:17:28] <Bob> Einsteintoast
L1283[19:17:32] <Vexatos> S3, at the cost of some mental issues, yes
L1284[19:18:06] <S3> When I was in robotics classes in high school people used to introduce me to the new people "Don't worry about him he only speaks in 1s and 0s"
L1285[19:18:09] <S3> it was bad
L1286[19:18:18] <Vexatos> see
L1287[19:18:27] <Vexatos> if only I had people to introduce me
L1288[19:18:54] <AmandaC> ... good jorb steam: https://nc.ddna.co/s/gdR4PneGRtnW3Jo
L1289[19:18:56] <Vexatos> but man you have no idea how much fun I am having at uni right now
L1290[19:19:16] <S3> The thing is, I love programming. But I eventually became a programmer, more than once. Some people love it regardless but I have to say deoxys I wanted to be a programmer all my life growing up
L1291[19:19:26] <S3> and Now I want nothing to do with it other than at home.
L1292[19:19:36] <Vexatos> last semester was so enormously busy that I didn't have any free time at all, and this time I suddenly have free time again but also the courses are so interesting that I already finished all my homework for the coming three weeks so I am bored now D:
L1293[19:19:39] <Temia> Hey Bob, you're still active on discord, can you check the userlist?
L1294[19:19:50] <Bob> AmandaC, my steam on windows is way worse
L1295[19:19:50] <S3> This is why I quit and got a job at the telephone company instead, and program at home.
L1296[19:19:57] <Bob> Temia yes, what should i check for
L1297[19:20:15] <Vexatos> S3, see the best courses I have now are chemometry and applied theoretical chemistry
L1298[19:20:18] <Vexatos> i.e. computer stuff
L1299[19:20:19] <Temia> Whether Deoxys is still around
L1300[19:20:20] <Vexatos> and more computer stuff
L1301[19:20:28] <Vexatos> I am getting into programming from the other direction
L1302[19:20:29] <Vexatos> it's great
L1303[19:20:29] <S3> I work all day taking calls and working with telephone switches from the 1970s, go home, sit down in front of my osciloscopes and function generators, working on electronics boards and or writing software.
L1304[19:20:33] <AmandaC> Temia: you can check using Corded I think. @status I think?
L1305[19:20:37] <S3> Vexatos: I see
L1306[19:20:38] <Bob> Temia hes still online
L1307[19:20:40] <RobotPigeon> AmandaC, I get that all the time with steam, on random bits of the page, like the upload button for avatars on profile and on groups
L1308[19:20:44] <Temia> She
L1309[19:20:49] <Temia> But okay
L1310[19:20:52] <Bob> Oh she
L1311[19:20:53] <Bob> okay
L1312[19:21:00] <Bob> Didn't knew
L1313[19:21:01] <Temia> I'll keep that in mind for next time
L1314[19:21:09] <Vexatos> S3, and the computer stuff I do is actually mind-meltingly hard it is SO MUCH FUN
L1315[19:21:14] <S3> I've also been writing software since I was 7 and I noticed in college, "you can't learn to code" in college imo.
L1316[19:21:18] <Temia> No worries, she had to correct me too
L1317[19:21:21] <Bob> ill need to remember that too
L1318[19:21:30] <S3> you can be introduced to it but you really need a background in it to be sophisticated with it imo
L1319[19:21:34] <Vexatos> quantum mechanical modelling is great
L1320[19:22:01] <S3> Vexatos: Well you know me, I also think computers are too complicated.
L1321[19:22:21] <Vexatos> this semester they'll let me at the computer cluster at uni
L1322[19:22:23] <Vexatos> I am so hyped
L1323[19:22:32] <S3> aren't you teaching there now?
L1324[19:22:32] <AmandaC> S3: and yet you have nothing to say to my hello world of embedded FORTH! D:
L1325[19:22:39] <Vexatos> S3, pls I am still a student
L1326[19:22:45] <S3> I had a friend who worked at the nvidia tesla cluster building we had when I was there
L1327[19:22:55] <S3> he was doing some sort of universe simulation software in C
L1328[19:23:00] <Vexatos> AmandaC, s/forth/perl
L1329[19:23:03] <S3> it was kinda neat but I didn't pay much attention
L1330[19:23:11] <Vexatos> then S3 can speak it
L1331[19:23:19] <S3> AmandaC: when did you post that?
L1332[19:23:28] <AmandaC> Vexatos: gods no, never ever suggest embedded perl again
L1333[19:23:31] <S3> I'd like to see that
L1334[19:23:34] <AmandaC> S3: check your discord pings in here
L1335[19:23:47] <Vexatos> AmandaC, I think S3 would like that
L1336[19:23:53] <AmandaC> Theres a button for it in the top right, I think?
L1337[19:23:53] <S3> AmandaC: I'm sorry, I'm horrible with pings.. and I don't remember things like I used to
L1338[19:24:21] <S3> No wonder you hate me now lol
L1339[19:24:22] <CompanionCube> so i remembered I never read PoC||GTFO 0x19
L1340[19:24:43] <AmandaC> S3: nah, I just joke-hate you. :P
L1341[19:24:59] <S3> be careful, maybe it's just me
L1342[19:25:03] <CompanionCube> 'This file,pocorgtfo19.pdf, is valid as a PDF document, a ZIP archive, and a HTMLpage. It is also available as a Windows PE executable, a PNG image and an MP4 video, all of which havethe same MD5 as this PDF.' :)
L1343[19:25:06] <S3> but the moment I became 30 I felt twice as dumb
L1344[19:25:16] <Vexatos> I don't really hate anyone
L1345[19:25:53] <AmandaC> S3: that'll be a very inconvient 21:50-something for me, then
L1346[19:25:55] <Deoxys_0> I would like to apologize for my behavior. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if you guys believe that CPE is better than CS, then so be it. However, I do not think either side should berate the other or say one is better than the other as it always ends with at least one person getting upset.
L1347[19:26:30] <AmandaC> I've not seen **anybody** say one side was better than another
L1348[19:26:42] <AmandaC> We've just pointed out pros and cons
L1349[19:26:48] <S3> WOW!
L1350[19:26:54] <S3> That is really cool AmandaC is that a nano?
L1351[19:26:59] <Deoxys_0> Felt more like I was being berated...... But okay.
L1352[19:27:09] <AmandaC> S3: STM32F103 "blue pill"
L1353[19:27:17] <Deoxys_0> Could at least get an apology.... But okay.
L1354[19:27:23] <S3> Huh
L1355[19:27:28] <S3> STM32 is really nice
L1356[19:27:33] <S3> I have an STM32L476VG
L1357[19:27:39] <S3> don't ask why I memorize the model
L1358[19:27:42] <S3> It was for a class
L1359[19:27:48] <Deoxys_0> I just hope the developers of Open Computers do not share some of the views I've seen in here....
L1360[19:27:50] <AmandaC> S3: I bought https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B079B95L9Y off amazon. the other day
L1361[19:28:07] <AmandaC> I accidetnally relesed the blue smoke of one of them though
L1362[19:28:15] <AmandaC> I hooked the programmed up wrong
L1363[19:28:27] <Temia> Oh no D:
L1364[19:28:44] <S3> aha
L1365[19:28:57] <Temia> That reminds me, I should see about putting together one of those custom keyboards a friend keep showing me.
L1366[19:29:04] <Temia> I've got a pink teensy that would be just adorable in it <3
L1367[19:29:07] <AmandaC> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sBH3LZul/ <-- this is all that st-info shows me now
L1368[19:29:13] <S3> I like the STM32 SoC I dislike ARM though because I was forced to write in assembly for it for a semester and thumb assembly is horrible.
L1369[19:29:18] <AmandaC> Not sure if I can fix it
L1370[19:29:23] <Lil_Pipp> Huh, So, I figured out what I was doing wrong before - but now, it seems like the program hangs and doesn't keep updating, again, that could be the computers fault, the program's fault, or the Extreme Reactor's fault, idk.
L1371[19:29:42] <Temia> That looks pretty toast, Amanda
L1372[19:29:43] <S3> But I love how STM32 SoCs have the best documentation ever
L1373[19:29:44] <Temia> ngl.
L1374[19:30:24] <S3> OH so this comes with one of those ISP programmers too
L1375[19:30:25] <S3> this kit
L1376[19:30:39] <S3> I shold buy one of these
L1377[19:30:39] <AmandaC> I wish I knew why the programmer has like 2.5x the number of pins nessry for the programming
L1378[19:31:04] <S3> it looks like my AVR ISP programmer for ATMegas
L1379[19:31:04] <AmandaC> I think what I ended up doing was hooking 5v up to SWCLK
L1380[19:31:15] <S3> it may do JTAG as well?
L1381[19:31:23] <S3> no idea
L1382[19:31:44] <AmandaC> because on the top of the boardit has 3, and 10 next to some pins, turns out those arne't pins on the programmer, you have to flip the board and looka t the markings on the bottom
L1383[19:31:52] <Bob> I will go sleep (hopefully), good night / day @everyone :)
L1384[19:31:53] <S3> I actually don't use mine, I have an mkII homebuilt ISP programmer
L1385[19:31:55] <S3> for STMegas
L1386[19:32:04] <S3> AT*
L1387[19:33:07] <S3> Mimiru: be very wary of powerline networking
L1388[19:33:15] <S3> I just saw your message from ages ago on that.
L1389[19:33:53] <S3> I talked about it the other day in here- I would tell your friend they should try making sure the network source and the PS4 are on the same phase
L1390[19:34:21] <S3> the technology has been around for before I was even born, for things like intercomm systems. If you didn't have them on the same phase they wouldn't work well
L1391[19:34:50] <S3> (I say this because US houses usually have 2 and rarely 3 phase power)
L1392[19:35:08] <Lil_Pipp> For a chat, on the OpenComputers website, offered as the OpenComputers chat, y'all are too busy talking bout real computers to talk bout the mod which is the reason this chat was set up. All I gotta say is, what gives with that?
L1393[19:35:28] <AmandaC> %hello Lil_Pipp
L1394[19:35:29] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L1395[19:35:31] <Temia> We're... computer nerds?
L1396[19:35:43] <Temia> Which is how we got into OC?
L1397[19:35:46] <Lil_Pipp> I asked a question about OC
L1398[19:35:53] <Lil_Pipp> and was entirely ignored.
L1399[19:36:07] <S3> Man I feel so bad.. people like AmandaC have been pinging me and I've been completely ignoring them because I didn't know how to use Discord LOL
L1400[19:36:23] <Lil_Pipp> because y'all were too busy talking about real computers to deal with mods, there's actual channels for that.
L1401[19:36:43] <AmandaC> OC doesn't have a stict-on-topic policy
L1402[19:36:46] <Temia> On Esper? Probably not.
L1403[19:36:56] * Temia checks /list out of curiosity
L1404[19:37:29] <S3> Freenode is more that branch
L1405[19:37:31] <AmandaC> See the second part of the 4th sentence from the command I just ran on MichiBot, Lil_Pipp: "... and provide error/code examples!"
L1406[19:37:37] <Temia> Yeah, it really is.
L1407[19:37:46] <S3> Freenode is one of those servers you can literally just guess what the channel name is
L1408[19:37:59] <Temia> Man, though.
L1409[19:38:00] <S3> s/servers/networks
L1410[19:38:02] <MichiBot> <S3> Freenode is one of those networks you can literally just guess what the channel name is
L1411[19:38:17] <Lil_Pipp> While I get that, and I don't expect it, I do expect when actual mod questions and such are asked, that they'd be addressed, not ignored or glossed over for another, off-topic conversation
L1412[19:38:24] <Temia> I remember when EsperNet's most popular channels bounced between #furry and #cleverpun, before the Homestuck and later Minecraft communities showed up
L1413[19:38:59] <S3> Before here, my alternate networks were mostly efnet and rizon
L1414[19:39:06] <AmandaC> If somebody doesn't know, it's much better for the flow of conversation to say nothing, than have 90people say "I don't know" Lil_Pipp
L1415[19:39:08] <S3> I've always been part of Freenode though
L1416[19:39:09] <Vexatos> Temia, the ancient one on esper
L1417[19:39:37] <Temia> Oh yeah, and #esper itself of course
L1418[19:40:02] <Temia> Nowadays none of those rank even in the top ten -- hell, even #cleverpun moved to its own network.
L1419[19:40:02] <Sparky> (string expected, got nil)
L1420[19:40:04] <Sparky> What?
L1421[19:40:30] <AmandaC> @Sparky you passed nothing to a function that wanted a string, or an invalid variable. Did you forget the ""s?
L1422[19:41:31] <S3> AmandaC: my biggest regret sometimes is that TRS-80 ancient computer I have you know about has Extended Color Basic on it. When I was 7 and got that computer handed to me, I look back and ask myself, I should have had the color Forth rom instead.. it would have accelerated my understanding of computers and programming much faster than BASIC did.
L1423[19:42:14] <S3> Forth makes it much easier to bring out the full power of small systems hardware than BASIC does.
L1424[19:42:16] <AmandaC> S3: haha. I didn't start coding shit until GameMaker Script in the arly 90's
L1425[19:42:19] <AmandaC> er early 00's
L1426[19:42:26] <AmandaC> I need to remember how numbers work, apparently
L1427[19:42:36] <S3> My father wanted me to learn so that's how I started
L1428[19:42:40] <AmandaC> First I'm 18, not I'm 38?
L1429[19:42:49] <S3> QBASIC on his computer and Extended Color Basic on the CoCo
L1430[19:43:24] <AmandaC> ( Alternately,I'm the world's best toddler programmer )
L1431[19:44:02] <S3> lol. I have never questioned your programming ability
L1432[19:44:04] <Sparky> https://pastebin.com/KwAzfNi9 @AmandaC
L1433[19:44:15] <S3> This channel has a large number of brilliant people of all ages.
L1434[19:44:30] <AmandaC> My programming went something like Game Maker drag / drop action lists, custom action lists, GMS, C/C++, PHP, ?????
L1435[19:45:03] <AmandaC> I honestly don't remember much after PHP until recently, when I've emerged from the memory hole as a pretty-decent polyglot (IMHO)
L1436[19:45:17] <Temia> I started on Commodore BASIC myself :|a and moved onto ZZT-OOP before tackling various other things.
L1437[19:46:55] <S3> I can't even remember how I went about my list, but not neccessarily in order I remember starting with BASIC, and eventually used Visual BASIC 6 in 1998 or 1999 or so. which eventually brought me into some other things, at some point I started using Linusx and got into bash and Perl and eventually C and tons of assembly, I started getting in OS development with C and assembly on x86, delved quite a bit into the
L1438[19:47:01] <S3> 6502 and worked my way aorund there, but I've also done machine code by hand in hex editor and I've toyed with Lisp and of course Lua and I was a PHP programmer for a while..
L1439[19:47:12] <S3> for a long time Perl was my primary
L1440[19:47:47] <S3> Within the last 3 or 4 years I discovered Forth and then declarative and functional programming, like Elixir, Erlang
L1441[19:48:07] <Vexatos> see
L1442[19:48:10] <Vexatos> I am a filthy casual
L1443[19:48:11] <Vexatos> I started with
L1444[19:48:12] <Vexatos> get this
L1445[19:48:14] <Vexatos> ComputerCraft
L1446[19:48:16] <Vexatos> :^)
L1447[19:48:37] <AmandaC> Nothing wrong with starting out with CC/OC
L1448[19:48:39] <Temia> Times change.
L1449[19:48:57] <S3> CC and OC are both fantastic platforms for people to start their programming
L1450[19:49:09] <S3> it gives them something they can do while already having fun
L1451[19:49:23] <S3> the results are quicker and the failures are less potent
L1452[19:49:54] <3TUSK> was there a ping everyone?
L1453[19:49:57] <S3> Do you know what messing up meant on my old computers? it sometimes meant the computer crashed and you hit reset or reboot and depending on what you ad to do you sometimes lost your entire program from RAM
L1454[19:50:32] <AmandaC> Yes @3TUSK there was a bug found in the bridge bot, which has since been patched
L1455[19:50:42] <S3> there would be times you wrote like 100 lines of code over an hour in basic and then lost it all
L1456[19:50:54] <3TUSK> That explains the ping, thanks
L1457[19:50:55] <Vexatos> that was very early 2013
L1458[19:50:57] <Vexatos> time flies
L1459[19:51:07] <S3> what was early 2013?
L1460[19:51:10] * AmandaC shakes paw at Vexatos
L1461[19:51:12] <Vexatos> when I started programming
L1462[19:51:15] <S3> ah
L1463[19:51:22] <S3> well look at Selene
L1464[19:51:25] <S3> you've come a long way
L1465[19:51:32] <Vexatos> selene started like 2015?
L1466[19:51:52] <S3> something like Selene isn't usually something a casual programmer thinks of in 2 years
L1467[19:52:00] <S3> seriously
L1468[19:52:50] <Vexatos> oh god I remember
L1469[19:52:54] <Vexatos> one of the first things I ever made
L1470[19:52:57] <S3> And I mean like, "Let's make an inline programming language"
L1471[19:53:06] <Vexatos> a calculator
L1472[19:53:14] <Vexatos> I wrote in java using swing
L1473[19:53:29] <Vexatos> it could add, subtract, multiply and divide
L1474[19:53:44] <S3> I made a russian roulette game on the CoCo when I was like 7
L1475[19:53:56] <AmandaC> I remain on the fence on if I'm lucky or unlucky that all my early code is lost to time at this point
L1476[19:54:08] <S3> you would guess a number and if you were right it would be like PRINT" BANG YOU'RE DEAD"
L1477[19:54:36] <S3> But that doesn't count it was partially from a book
L1478[19:54:37] <Vexatos> Not sure if it's good or bad that I have only ever had to deal with high level languages
L1479[19:54:38] <AmandaC> Nobody has to know about my PHP IRC bot which I had to keep open in a browser tab because somehow th eidea of PHP through a CLI was too foreign to me
L1480[19:54:45] <S3> OH MY.....
L1481[19:55:01] <S3> Well
L1482[19:55:11] <S3> Nobody has to know about all of the fake ATM machines I wrote in QBASIC
L1483[19:55:13] <S3> XD
L1484[19:55:19] <S3> when I was like 9
L1485[19:55:28] <AmandaC> Wait, whic
L1486[19:55:30] <AmandaC> shit*
L1487[19:55:34] <AmandaC> strike that from the record, Mimiru ! D:
L1488[19:55:39] <S3> lol
L1489[19:55:44] <Vexatos> ATM machine sounds highly tautological
L1490[19:55:52] <Sparky> How can I see what is written on an installed eeprom card?
L1491[19:56:00] <AmandaC> Ah, good ol AMS Syndrome
L1492[19:56:07] <AmandaC> @Sparky cat /dev/eeprom
L1493[19:58:01] <Sparky> Did I break something? https://i.imgur.com/S5BlJ4N.png
L1494[19:58:34] <AmandaC> ... no, payonel probably did
L1495[19:58:39] <AmandaC> what OC/OpenOS version?
L1496[20:00:17] <Vexatos> oh boi
L1497[20:00:21] <Vexatos> it's 3 a.m.
L1498[20:00:31] <Vexatos> happy easter holidays everyone
L1499[20:00:35] <Vexatos> where sleep schedules go to die
L1500[20:00:45] <Vexatos> only to be revived on the third day
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L1502[20:01:03] <AmandaC> ~w component navigation
L1503[20:01:03] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:navigation
L1504[20:02:08] <Sparky> @AmandaC 1.7.4.146
L1505[20:02:15] <Sparky> @AmandaC 1.7.3.146 [Edited]
L1506[20:02:16] <AmandaC> @Sparky just looked through the code, don't see anything obviously wrong with it, but I'm a bit out of practice with OC
L1507[20:02:43] <AmandaC> @Sparky you should probably update to 1.7.4 -- there's a fix for some pretty bad data loss
L1508[20:05:03] <Sparky> My modpack has it
L1509[20:05:11] <Sparky> the 1.7.3 version
L1510[20:07:24] <Zef> Well you can manually update it
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L1513[20:17:56] <Sparky> @Zef Server mod rejections
L1514[20:19:53] <Temia> Given the data loss issue, I'd recommend you speak to the server owner to get an update pushed.
L1515[20:35:55] <Sparky> What happened? https://i.imgur.com/e7JtLGv.png
L1516[20:39:15] <Temia> Don't include the rectangular brackets
L1517[20:39:35] <Temia> When those are shown in a usage prompt, that's just indicating that they're optional
L1518[20:41:52] <CornBeard> Where does the data loss come from? Don't see anything in the changelog and I'm gonna have something pretty solid if I'm going to persuade the FTB team to update a pack that hasn't changed since January.
L1519[20:43:44] <Temia> I was talking about just the owner of the server you're playing on, not the modpack developers.
L1520[20:43:52] <Temia> Or wait
L1521[20:43:56] <Temia> Different person
L1522[20:43:56] <CornBeard> I'm the owner.
L1523[20:44:00] <Temia> derp.
L1524[20:44:15] <CornBeard> Players aren't gonna go for manually updating. They are too derpy.
L1525[20:44:17] <Temia> Pardon me, I'm tired and unfocused and I've been feeling sick as a dog for the latter half of the day.
L1526[20:44:17] <CornBeard> ?
L1527[20:44:24] <Temia> Truth, truth.
L1528[20:44:25] <CornBeard> Np
L1529[20:45:27] * AmandaC beams a warm mug of cocoa in front of Temia
L1530[20:47:45] <Temia> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/commit/c67f700fa91c75b88c358670e762147b15eab2cc I believe this is the relevant commit
L1531[20:48:01] <Temia> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/3031 And the associated data loss
L1532[20:48:02] <MichiBot> Title: Removing floppy disks from drive erases them | Posted by: LoganDungeon | Posted: Wed Jan 23 16:29:30 CST 2019 | Status: closed
L1533[20:49:43] <CornBeard> Yup, 3031. That was the Zero Sized file issue that was fixed. Thanks.
L1534[20:49:50] <CornBeard> That should do it I hope.
L1535[20:50:42] <Temia> Best of luck convincing upstream.
L1536[20:55:57] <CornBeard> Ty ty. Fingers crossed.
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L1538[21:00:08] <CompanionCube> 'vector multiplication as an ipc primitive ' ooh
L1539[21:12:27] <ba7888b72413a16a> Izaya: is there a reasonable way to get the packet id from an `rsend`
L1540[21:15:09] <scj643> I want ECC crypto
L1541[21:21:34] <ba7888b72413a16a> minitel.rsend with block = false seems a bit useless if you can't manually check for the ACK
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L1547[22:19:48] <Izaya> ba7888b72413a16a: you can specify the ID IIRC
L1548[22:21:09] <Corded> * <xarses> pokes his head in trying to figure out what the unread marker was about
L1549[22:21:33] <xarses> mentions even
L1550[22:22:53] <Izaya> ba7888b72413a16a: ah, doesn't actually have that provision
L1551[22:22:59] <Izaya> lemme patch that in rq, that was the idea
L1552[22:24:33] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah I was just thinking, that should definitely be added :)
L1553[22:24:46] <ba7888b72413a16a> either a way to return the id, or to put in your own id
L1554[22:24:52] <Izaya> actually
L1555[22:24:57] <Izaya> return the ID is a better idea
L1556[22:26:37] <Izaya> okay pushed :D
L1557[22:26:53] <ba7888b72413a16a> for completeness sake, there should be a non-blocking minitel.send()
L1558[22:26:58] <ba7888b72413a16a> that would require a separate event
L1559[22:27:32] <ba7888b72413a16a> to listen for the full ACK of multi-packet messages
L1560[22:27:43] <Izaya> eeeh that'd mean registering listeners for acks to maintain the flow of data x_x
L1561[22:28:59] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah it'd have to be an event triggered by the completion of multiple other events
L1562[22:29:04] <ba7888b72413a16a> probably too rare a use case to care about
L1563[22:30:02] <Izaya> just run the send() in another thread tbh
L1564[22:32:57] * Izaya has gone the mildly overkill route for PsychOS2: sockets get their own thread each
L1565[22:37:45] <Sparky> I'm so lost and confused and scared
L1566[22:40:05] <ba7888b72413a16a> I'm struggling to remember why I used two adjacent server racks (with 3 network cards each), to create a 4-port minitel managed switch
L1567[22:40:14] <ba7888b72413a16a> server racks have 4 slots for cards
L1568[22:40:38] <ba7888b72413a16a> was it just because I wanted to have a terminal server
L1569[22:40:49] <Izaya> set and forget friendo
L1570[22:41:17] * Izaya has plans to make a more useful EEPROM resident switch/router thing for such uses
L1571[22:41:24] <ba7888b72413a16a> oh, I think I remember
L1572[22:41:28] <ba7888b72413a16a> it's more symmetrical
L1573[22:42:03] <ba7888b72413a16a> Izaya: yeah that would be nice
L1574[22:42:20] <Izaya> Possibly with VLAN support that'd be neat
L1575[22:42:36] <ba7888b72413a16a> whenever I want to create a switch I just have a script to copy from a base hard drive and randomize the hostname
L1576[22:43:00] <ba7888b72413a16a> since all switches are exactly the same
L1577[22:43:14] <Izaya> don't set a hostname
L1578[22:43:30] <Izaya> It'll use the first 8 chars of the computer UUID
L1579[22:43:43] <ba7888b72413a16a> good to know
L1580[22:43:58] <Izaya> Can't just have it fail over :D
L1581[22:45:20] <Izaya> Thought it was a relatively clever solution myself :3
L1582[22:45:24] <ba7888b72413a16a> oh, that might be why I never realized that
L1583[22:45:41] <ba7888b72413a16a> hostnames on servers often mismatch the computer uuid
L1584[22:45:51] <ba7888b72413a16a> because I install minitel and run mtcfg
L1585[22:45:55] <ba7888b72413a16a> from a computer
L1586[22:46:10] <Izaya> If you don't run mtcfg it uses the defaults
L1587[22:46:24] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah, that's what I'll probably do in the future for computers that don't need to be addressed
L1588[22:48:33] <Izaya> IIRC mtcfg is part of minitel-utils so you can just install minitel and you get the daemon and libs but not the configuration tool
L1589[22:48:48] <Izaya> Only downside is you need to enable/start the daemon yourself
L1590[22:48:56] <ba7888b72413a16a> mtcfg doesn't seem to work sometimes by the way
L1591[22:49:02] <ba7888b72413a16a> doesn't edit /etc/minitel.cfg at all
L1592[22:49:11] <Izaya> o.O
L1593[22:49:23] <ba7888b72413a16a> the hostname part always works, the config part sometimes doesn't
L1594[22:49:39] <Izaya> I will investigate, if you can figure out any circumstances that make it happen I'd appreciate it
L1595[22:49:55] <ba7888b72413a16a> it definitely is reading the existing config
L1596[22:50:41] <ba7888b72413a16a> I'll look through the source code to see if I spot anything
L1597[22:54:19] <ba7888b72413a16a> Izaya: wait...
L1598[22:54:27] * Izaya waits
L1599[22:54:31] <ba7888b72413a16a> writecfg() is only called if ops.firstrun
L1600[22:54:39] <Izaya> ...
L1601[22:54:47] <ba7888b72413a16a> that explains it :P
L1602[22:55:55] <Izaya> That's an easy enough fix then :D
L1603[22:56:24] <ba7888b72413a16a> wait, is it even detecting first runs?
L1604[22:56:27] <ba7888b72413a16a> or is that just a --firstrun thing
L1605[22:57:45] <Izaya> just a --firstrun thing
L1606[22:57:56] <Izaya> could have it check for the config file I guess
L1607[23:00:05] * Izaya shrugs
L1608[23:00:22] <Izaya> The config file is optional
L1609[23:00:30] <ba7888b72413a16a> it'll be good to have the first run thing fixed, since that'll be one less step for setting up minitel
L1610[23:00:46] <ba7888b72413a16a> if you forget "rc minitel enable" it's a nightmare
L1611[23:00:50] <ba7888b72413a16a> of being confused why nothing is working
L1612[23:00:54] * Izaya nods
L1613[23:01:28] <AmandaC> %tell Inari I'd like a 13 page thesis on why days can simultaneously feel like they're too long and too short at the same time, thanks.
L1614[23:01:29] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L1615[23:02:03] * AmandaC curls up on Temia's pillow dozes. "night nerds"
L1616[23:03:51] <Izaya> ba7888b72413a16a: set hostname if you don't type one in or no?
L1617[23:04:32] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah, default behavior should probably be to set no hostname, but it should still print the generated hostname of course
L1618[23:04:53] <ba7888b72413a16a> normally that hostname would be printed alongside your openos command prompt
L1619[23:05:16] <ba7888b72413a16a> so it would be a good usability thing to re-echo the hostname at the very end of the mtcfg script
L1620[23:05:28] <ba7888b72413a16a> or something like that
L1621[23:05:31] * Temia curls up around Amanda. zzzmoo
L1622[23:05:49] <ba7888b72413a16a> or, empower the user by telling them about the analyzer :P
L1623[23:06:02] <Temia> https://twitter.com/paxiti/status/1117105062575136770 Cute pic before I go
L1624[23:06:03] <MichiBot> Sat Apr 13 11:39:36 CDT 2019 @paxiti: <https://t.co/PFf4npo9is&gt;
L1625[23:06:04] <Izaya> :p
L1626[23:06:32] <ba7888b72413a16a> "Since you didn't enter a hostname, the hostname will be the last 8 characters of the computer address. Use the analyzer to check this"
L1627[23:07:57] <ba7888b72413a16a> first 8 characters*
L1628[23:15:04] <Izaya> ba7888b72413a16a: care to try this out for me? https://0x0.st/zqHL.txt
L1629[23:16:55] <ba7888b72413a16a> crashes, taking a screenshot
L1630[23:17:10] <Izaya> glad I didn't push it then :D
L1631[23:17:17] <ba7888b72413a16a> https://i.imgur.com/BfRYlLl.png
L1632[23:18:39] <Izaya> -firstrun = not loadcfg()
L1633[23:18:40] <Izaya> +firstrun = not loadcfg(cfgfile)
L1634[23:18:52] <Izaya> https://0x0.st/zqHp.txt
L1635[23:18:52] <ba7888b72413a16a> okay, trying that
L1636[23:20:22] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah it seems to work
L1637[23:20:27] <ba7888b72413a16a> on first run and not first run
L1638[23:21:01] <ba7888b72413a16a> routing packets should be disabled on large networks?
L1639[23:21:10] <Izaya> right
L1640[23:21:15] <ba7888b72413a16a> I would just make it clear that static routing should be used on large networks
L1641[23:21:23] <ba7888b72413a16a> at least, at the choke points
L1642[23:21:37] <Izaya> OC networks are like hubs so everything but routers should have routing turned off if you have lots of hosts
L1643[23:21:51] <Izaya> otherwise each packet will be repeated once by each host
L1644[23:22:40] <ba7888b72413a16a> is it necessary for minitel to repeat packets when there's only one network card?
L1645[23:22:45] <ba7888b72413a16a> I forgot OC's builtin behavior with this
L1646[23:23:23] <ba7888b72413a16a> like if there's three computers on the same cable, and a message is sent or broadcast, one computer isn't going to "eat" the message, right?
L1647[23:23:28] <Izaya> not on a wired network, but with a wireless card it's useful for building arbitrary meshes
L1648[23:23:49] <ba7888b72413a16a> oh true
L1649[23:23:51] <Izaya> ... maybe I should detect that with mtcfg
L1650[23:23:58] <ba7888b72413a16a> maybe there should be some exception to that behavior
L1651[23:24:30] <ba7888b72413a16a> if there's only a single network interface and it's wired or linking, then don't repeat
L1652[23:24:43] * Izaya nods
L1653[23:26:01] <ba7888b72413a16a> and IMO this should be something dynamically configured in the minitel daemon
L1654[23:26:05] <ba7888b72413a16a> rather than by mtcfg
L1655[23:26:25] <Izaya> hm
L1656[23:26:26] <ba7888b72413a16a> just because you might change your network interface setup
L1657[23:26:30] * Izaya nods
L1658[23:26:55] <Izaya> this change is more substantial than mtcfg so I'll think about it a bit
L1659[23:26:58] <Izaya> brb making an issue
L1660[23:27:02] <ba7888b72413a16a> I was looking through the source code a bit earlier, I think it would be a pretty easy check
L1661[23:27:13] <ba7888b72413a16a> might make a pull request
L1662[23:27:35] <Izaya> yeah it just requires a context different to the one my person is currently operating in
L1663[23:28:24] <ba7888b72413a16a> thankfully I have my RAM eaten up by modded minecraft :P so I can do some testing
L1664[23:28:43] <Izaya> so I'm thinking having routing disabled will disable it but having it enabled won't make it route on a machine with a single wired NIC
L1665[23:30:34] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah
L1666[23:30:46] <ba7888b72413a16a> that way you can have `route` enabled on all your computers without any unnecessary sending
L1667[23:30:49] <ba7888b72413a16a> if it's a purely wired network
L1668[23:31:53] <Izaya> https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/issues/19
L1669[23:31:54] <MichiBot> Title: Automatically decide whether to repeat packets | Posted by: XeonSquared | Posted: Wed Aug 15 11:06:49 CDT 2018 | Status: open
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L1671[23:33:03] <ba7888b72413a16a> so I guess the decision whether to repeat would be made when detecting modems around line 95
L1672[23:35:16] <Izaya> neat, Haiku now supports NVMe
L1673[23:35:36] <Izaya> and ocvm supports Haiku
L1674[23:35:38] <Izaya> :D
L1675[23:36:03] <ba7888b72413a16a> but why does that matter if realistically people only run haikuOS inside a VM to play around with for 5 minutes :PP
L1676[23:36:15] <Izaya> mfw
L1677[23:36:21] <Izaya> I have 2 haiku machines on my desktop
L1678[23:36:25] <Izaya> s/desktop/network/
L1679[23:36:25] <MichiBot> <Izaya> I have 2 haiku machines on my network
L1680[23:36:33] <Izaya> as well as 2 9front machines
L1681[23:36:49] <Izaya> I had a DOS machine also but it died
L1682[23:36:51] <Temia> %potion
L1683[23:36:51] <MichiBot> Temia: You get a porous cyan potion (New!)
L1684[23:36:58] <Temia> %quaff ^
L1685[23:36:59] <MichiBot> Temia grows a mustache.
L1686[23:37:26] <ba7888b72413a16a> 9front, I haven't even seen that in /r/unixporn
L1687[23:37:30] <ba7888b72413a16a> assume it's a fork of plan9
L1688[23:37:33] <Izaya> aye
L1689[23:37:36] <ba7888b72413a16a> https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/search?q=9front&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all
L1690[23:37:39] * Temia waxes it and puts on a monocle omQ
L1691[23:37:55] <Izaya> >customised colours
L1692[23:37:58] * Izaya ridicules
L1693[23:38:17] <ba7888b72413a16a> the biggest problem with plan9 is black-on-white terminals
L1694[23:38:41] <Izaya> inverting those in low-light conditions seems reasonable to me
L1695[23:39:25] * Izaya has been using lighter themes since they got some LED strips for the back of their displays
L1696[23:41:17] * Temia slips Forecaster a toonie to add fairy to the list of creatures
L1697[23:41:34] <Izaya> fwiw, I have about 6 machines under my desk and one on my desk, all 6 underneath are running stuff I'
L1698[23:41:40] <Izaya> d consider 'weird-ish'
L1699[23:41:45] * Temia slips another to add harpy
L1700[23:43:19] <ba7888b72413a16a> what is this for https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/blob/master/OpenOS/etc/rc.d/minitel.lua#L23
L1701[23:43:23] <ba7888b72413a16a> used to be a feature?
L1702[23:43:53] <Izaya> so rc scripts keep their environment
L1703[23:44:25] <Izaya> but yes it doesn't do anything now
L1704[23:45:03] <Izaya> it used to keep track of the current main listener
L1705[23:46:09] <Izaya> https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/blob/master/OpenOS/etc/rc.d/minitel.lua#L94
L1706[23:46:29] <Izaya> should probably change that to if listeners contains any entries
L1707[23:48:11] <Temia> Wait, no, birds are already in
L1708[23:48:24] <Temia> %quaff porous pink potion
L1709[23:48:25] <MichiBot> Temia feels like a champion!
L1710[23:49:38] <Izaya> "thought experiment: a cat is in a box containing decaying nuclear material and poison gas. the box is on some trolley tracks. as the trolley approaches the box, it has all its parts systematically replaced so that no original part remains by the time it strikes the box. inside the trolley is a man receiving instructions on levers to pull in Chinese. do you take the money?"
L1711[23:50:35] <ba7888b72413a16a> now that's a Mind Field episode I would watch
L1712[23:51:33] <Izaya> is that the one on ABC RN
L1713[23:52:15] <ba7888b72413a16a> "In a world marked by wicked social problems, The Minefield helps you negotiate the ethical dilemmas"
L1714[23:52:18] <ba7888b72413a16a> even more relevant lol
L1715[23:52:21] <ba7888b72413a16a> but no, not that
L1716[23:52:25] <ba7888b72413a16a> mind field by vsauce
L1717[23:52:37] <ba7888b72413a16a> he replicated the trolley dilemma
L1718[23:52:38] <Izaya> oh
L1719[23:52:57] <ba7888b72413a16a> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sl5KJ69qiA
L1720[23:52:57] <MichiBot> The Greater Good - Mind Field S2 (Ep 1) | length: 34m 38s | Likes: 203,711 Dislikes: 8,283 Views: 7,815,210 | by Vsauce | Published On 6/12/2017
L1721[23:53:06] * Izaya has been listening to a lot of RN at work
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