L1[00:04:22] <Kleadron> that gave me a
laugh
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L3[00:46:34] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L4[00:46:34] <MichiBot> CompanionCube has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points!
plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
0.15572
L5[00:49:08] *
CompanionCube hadn't tonked out in a while and wanted
to
L6[00:50:22] <CompanionCube> %loot
L7[00:50:37] <CompanionCube> %help
L8[00:50:37] <MichiBot> CompanionCube:
Command list: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/help
L9[00:50:56] <Mimiru> Yes it's %loot if you
don't get an item it went into the inventory
L10[00:52:16] <Kleadron> %loot
L11[00:52:39] <Kleadron> %loot
L12[00:52:44] <Kleadron> ok what the
heck
L13[00:53:33] <CompanionCube> is
b0rk?
L14[01:18:25] 
<gartral>
%tonk
<gartral>
%tonkL15[01:18:26] <MichiBot> Zounderkite!
gartral! You beat CompanionCube's previous record of <0! I hope
you're happy!
L16[01:18:27] <MichiBot> gartral's new
record is 31 minutes and 51 seconds! 31 minutes and 51 seconds
gained! gartral also gained 0.00053 tonk points for stealing the
tonk.
L17[01:26:48] <Kleadron>
Izaya: Classic shell requires windows vista or later
<Kleadron>
Izaya: Classic shell requires windows vista or laterL18[01:26:57] <Izaya> oh well
L19[01:27:12] <Kleadron>
you can already get the old start menu in windows xp
<Kleadron>
you can already get the old start menu in windows xpL20[01:27:42] <Izaya> I want a newer start
menu though
L21[01:27:49] <Izaya> one with no-input
search
L22[02:20:19] <Kodos>
%tonkout
<Kodos>
%tonkoutL23[02:20:19] <MichiBot> Kodos has stolen
the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.001 tonk points!
Current score: 0.02572
L24[02:52:57] <Forecaster>
%tonk
<Forecaster>
%tonkL25[02:52:57] <MichiBot> Zounderkite!
Forecaster! You beat Kodos's previous record of <0! I hope
you're happy!
L26[02:52:58] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 32 minutes and 37 seconds! 32 minutes and 37 seconds
gained! Forecaster also gained 0.00054 tonk points for stealing the
tonk.
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L29[03:55:04] <The_Stargazer> `attempt to index local
self` - what does this mean? I get this in all of the GUI libraries
I download from OPPM.
<The_Stargazer> `attempt to index local
self` - what does this mean? I get this in all of the GUI libraries
I download from OPPM.L30[03:58:24] ⇦
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L31[03:59:17] <The_Stargazer> Was `self` an old
function?
<The_Stargazer> Was `self` an old
function?L32[04:01:49] ⇨
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L33[04:02:12] <The_Stargazer> It rather annoys me because
it means I can't use fancy GUIs in my programs.
<The_Stargazer> It rather annoys me because
it means I can't use fancy GUIs in my programs.L34[04:58:17] ⇦
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L36[05:24:31] <Bob>
@The_Stargazer wjat are you trying to do
<Bob>
@The_Stargazer wjat are you trying to doL37[05:24:55] <Bob> if you
were using some graphical lib, get i back
<Bob> if you
were using some graphical lib, get i backL38[05:25:02] <Bob> if you
were using some graphical lib, get it back [Edited]
<Bob> if you
were using some graphical lib, get it back [Edited]L39[05:25:13] <Bob> else
use the gpu functions
<Bob> else
use the gpu functionsL40[05:25:38] <Bob> Also
did you loaded the libs ?
<Bob> Also
did you loaded the libs ?L41[05:38:41] ⇨
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L42[05:47:20] <Inari> https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/bJQjKXk9vU7gn2KY463umAmE-iU8OlcZ5fqbUQc4GEY/https/images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SeqiJJzC6s2O_2C8N6k8Bfy3yFDNcMxWFifTx2bEfEQ/%253Fsize%253D256/https/cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/536212067376562177/cb5268207f09089064592beff04e620f.png
L43[05:47:26] <Inari> AmandaC: Haha,
nice
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L45[05:54:32] zsh
sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L46[06:06:28] <Bob>
e
<Bob>
eL47[06:12:32] <Inari> f
L48[06:12:41] <Forecaster>
f
<Forecaster>
fL49[06:12:48] <Inari> Baba is Vexatos
L50[06:13:07] <Vexatos> D:
L51[06:14:32] <Bob> Vex,
can you convert me some files using your non broken LionRay
<Bob> Vex,
can you convert me some files using your non broken LionRayL52[06:14:40] <Vexatos> no q-q
L53[06:15:27] <Inari> I like Baba is you,
though the times I feel like puzzling are limited
L55[06:21:56] <Vexatos> Keke is Best
L56[06:22:48] <Forecaster>
next thursday you'll be able to watch me fumble around with it for
like 40 minutes :P
<Forecaster>
next thursday you'll be able to watch me fumble around with it for
like 40 minutes :PL57[06:24:54] <Inari> Forecaster:
yay!
L58[06:24:59] <Inari> Forecaster: Played
iny more Prime Mover?
L59[06:25:31] <Forecaster>
I have not
<Forecaster>
I have notL60[06:25:46] <Inari> Shame
L61[06:45:27] <Lizzian>
@Bob please don't post suicide jokes here thanks
<Lizzian>
@Bob please don't post suicide jokes here thanksL62[06:53:01] <Bob> Now
windows shows me my phone as an CD ROM
<Bob> Now
windows shows me my phone as an CD ROML63[06:53:03] <Bob>
wonderfull
<Bob>
wonderfullL64[06:53:10] <Bob> i need
a new PC
<Bob> i need
a new PCL65[06:53:13] <Bob> all
that old stuff
<Bob> all
that old stuffL66[06:53:33] <Bob> it
owuld be easier to setup an FTP server on my phone
<Bob> it
owuld be easier to setup an FTP server on my phoneL67[07:35:24] <Inari> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-be8gde2lR_I/TlFgdo_o4WI/AAAAAAAABkQ/-lYZrFpTATE/s1600/21-08-11.jpg
i need this
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L69[07:44:27] <Lizzy> Inari, that's
cute
L70[07:44:34] <Inari> I'ts so pretty
\o/
L71[07:44:43] <Inari> I like Miko stuff
anyway, and this just adds a lot of pretty stuff
L72[07:44:51] <Inari> The only thing I
don't like as much maybe is the shoulder parts
L73[07:53:07] <Bob> Any
good OC image displayers , i think i ill try MineOS dev GUI
Lib
<Bob> Any
good OC image displayers , i think i ill try MineOS dev GUI
LibL74[07:53:11] <Bob> i saw
it has many stuff
<Bob> i saw
it has many stuffL75[07:55:05] <Rph> I have
an image format and a displayer
<Rph> I have
an image format and a displayerL76[07:55:09] <Rph> but
the encoder is super messy atm
<Rph> but
the encoder is super messy atmL77[07:55:54] <Bob> i need
to find / write a DFPWM converter that works off command line and
some image display thing
<Bob> i need
to find / write a DFPWM converter that works off command line and
some image display thingL78[07:56:07] <Rph> well
with my image display
<Rph> well
with my image displayL79[07:56:21] <Rph>
Currently the only way to use it is thru a messy and hard to use
encoder
<Rph>
Currently the only way to use it is thru a messy and hard to use
encoderL80[07:56:27] <Rph> I plan
to streamline it
<Rph> I plan
to streamline itL81[07:57:16] <Z0idburg>
make one!
<Z0idburg>
make one!L82[07:57:28] <Rph>
?
<Rph>
?L83[07:57:41] <Rph> i will
probably make a GUI for my encoder
<Rph> i will
probably make a GUI for my encoderL84[07:57:52] <Rph>
electron, of course
<Rph>
electron, of courseL85[07:58:18] *
Izaya sets fire to Rph
L86[07:58:22] <Z0idburg> I
wouldn't use electron for that, but electron is nice.
<Z0idburg> I
wouldn't use electron for that, but electron is nice.L87[07:58:35] <Rph> I
wrote the encoder for nodejs
<Rph> I
wrote the encoder for nodejsL88[07:58:41] <Rph> so it
will be easier to attach it to electron
<Rph> so it
will be easier to attach it to electronL89[07:58:43] <Z0idburg>
yeah
<Z0idburg>
yeahL90[07:58:51] <Z0idburg>
or just a website even
<Z0idburg>
or just a website evenL91[07:58:55] <Rph>
nah
<Rph>
nahL92[07:58:59] <Rph> the
encoder is relatively CPU heavy
<Rph> the
encoder is relatively CPU heavyL93[07:59:35] <Rph> it
takes about 10 seconds on my Xeon E5-1620
<Rph> it
takes about 10 seconds on my Xeon E5-1620L94[07:59:38] <Rph> with a
320x200 image
<Rph> with a
320x200 imageL95[08:00:38] <Z0idburg>
HAHASHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
<Z0idburg>
HAHASHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAL96[08:00:47] <Rph>
what
<Rph>
whatL97[08:00:58] <Z0idburg> I
remember when the resolution of my monitor for my computer was
320x200
<Z0idburg> I
remember when the resolution of my monitor for my computer was
320x200L98[08:01:06] <Rph> well
this is the resolution of OC
<Rph> well
this is the resolution of OCL99[08:01:12] <Z0idburg> I
never realized that
<Z0idburg> I
never realized thatL100[08:01:15] <Z0idburg>
that's cool
<Z0idburg>
that's coolL101[08:01:17] <Rph>
well
<Rph>
wellL102[08:01:18] <Rph>
160x50
<Rph>
160x50L103[08:01:21] <Rph> but
braille characters
<Rph> but
braille charactersL104[08:01:34] <Bob> aka
160 * 2 / 50 * 4
<Bob> aka
160 * 2 / 50 * 4L105[08:01:44] <Bob> since
a single braille character fits 8 subpixels
<Bob> since
a single braille character fits 8 subpixelsL106[08:01:48] <Bob> tought
can only have 2 colors
<Bob> tought
can only have 2 colorsL107[08:01:50] <Rph>
yes
<Rph>
yesL108[08:01:54] <Bob> but
Rph implemented some coloring system
<Bob> but
Rph implemented some coloring systemL109[08:01:57] <Rph>
well
<Rph>
wellL110[08:02:08] <Rph> I
calculate the "significance" of each pixel
<Rph> I
calculate the "significance" of each pixelL111[08:02:11] <Rph> or
rather, each color
<Rph> or
rather, each colorL112[08:02:13] <Z0idburg>
yes. however if no color is involved each group of 7 pixels is just
8 bit
<Z0idburg>
yes. however if no color is involved each group of 7 pixels is just
8 bitL113[08:02:20] <Z0idburg>
sorta
<Z0idburg>
sortaL114[08:02:20] <Rph>
well
<Rph>
wellL115[08:02:22] <Z0idburg> I
mean its unicode butg
<Z0idburg> I
mean its unicode butgL116[08:02:34] <Rph> I have
2 image formats, one is slow one is fast
<Rph> I have
2 image formats, one is slow one is fastL117[08:02:34] <Z0idburg>
ignoring unicode part
<Z0idburg>
ignoring unicode partL118[08:02:45] <Rph> the
slow one encodes each 2x4 area with 7 bytes
<Rph> the
slow one encodes each 2x4 area with 7 bytesL119[08:02:54] <Rph> 2x
rgb, 1 byte for braille data
<Rph> 2x
rgb, 1 byte for braille dataL120[08:03:02] <Rph> and to
get the unicode character I just do 0x2800 + braille data
<Rph> and to
get the unicode character I just do 0x2800 + braille dataL121[08:03:09] <Izaya> >written in
node
L122[08:03:13] <Rph>
shush
<Rph>
shushL123[08:03:18] <Izaya> >slow and
heavy
L124[08:03:22] <Izaya> Shocking.
L125[08:03:33] <Rph> well,
I never optimized it in the first place
<Rph> well,
I never optimized it in the first placeL126[08:03:46] <Rph> I
wrote it so it renders images on OC fast
<Rph> I
wrote it so it renders images on OC fastL127[08:03:48] <Z0idburg>
yes technically speaking all you need is 0x2800 + x, where x is an
8 bit number which does make it nice
<Z0idburg>
yes technically speaking all you need is 0x2800 + x, where x is an
8 bit number which does make it niceL128[08:03:48] <Rph> not so
it encodes fast
<Rph> not so
it encodes fastL129[08:04:04] <Rph>
anyway, my "coloring thing" as @Bob put it
<Rph>
anyway, my "coloring thing" as @Bob put itL130[08:04:58] <Rph>
basically to calculate each pixel's significance I do the
following:
<Rph>
basically to calculate each pixel's significance I do the
following:L132[08:05:05] <Rph> and to
calculate the importance of a color in a segment
<Rph> and to
calculate the importance of a color in a segmentL133[08:05:13] <Rph> I do
the same funciton but with an occurences paremeter
<Rph> I do
the same funciton but with an occurences paremeterL134[08:05:13] <Z0idburg>
image kernels are great.
<Z0idburg>
image kernels are great.L135[08:05:20] <Rph> and do
return ogavg * occurences
<Rph> and do
return ogavg * occurencesL136[08:05:30] <Rph> then I
assign a unique ID to each pixel
<Rph> then I
assign a unique ID to each pixelL137[08:05:50] <Rph> and
take the least important (largest negative number) and most
important (largest positive number)
<Rph> and
take the least important (largest negative number) and most
important (largest positive number)L138[08:06:05] <Rph> and
for each pixel I check which color it is closer to
<Rph> and
for each pixel I check which color it is closer toL139[08:06:07] <Rph> and
take that
<Rph> and
take thatL140[08:06:16] <Rph> the
results are relatively satisfying
<Rph> the
results are relatively satisfyingL141[08:06:39] <Z0idburg>
here's the most important thing to remember about image processing.
In particular, if you have an RGB image, it's not one image. It's 3
images on top of eachother that range from black to red, black to
green, and black to blue
<Z0idburg>
here's the most important thing to remember about image processing.
In particular, if you have an RGB image, it's not one image. It's 3
images on top of eachother that range from black to red, black to
green, and black to blueL142[08:06:46] <Rph> i
know
<Rph> i
knowL143[08:06:53] <Rph> but I
look on colors as a whole
<Rph> but I
look on colors as a wholeL144[08:07:00] <Rph> I
probably could improve the alghoritm a bit
<Rph> I
probably could improve the alghoritm a bitL145[08:07:04] <Rph> by
assigning a weight to each color
<Rph> by
assigning a weight to each colorL146[08:07:13] <Rph> and
following the same scale as human eyes to determine
brightness
<Rph> and
following the same scale as human eyes to determine
brightnessL147[08:07:24] <Rph> but,
again, the results are relatively satisfying
<Rph> but,
again, the results are relatively satisfyingL148[08:07:28] <Z0idburg>
the other thing is that color images are 3D
<Z0idburg>
the other thing is that color images are 3DL149[08:07:29] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L150[08:07:52] <Rph>
well
<Rph>
wellL151[08:08:01] <Rph> I can
post the entire source code of my encoder on some pastebin or
something
<Rph> I can
post the entire source code of my encoder on some pastebin or
somethingL152[08:08:05] <Rph> but
well
<Rph> but
wellL153[08:08:10] <Rph> its
quite messy and not commented at all
<Rph> its
quite messy and not commented at allL154[08:08:15] <Rph> 374
lines of javascript
<Rph> 374
lines of javascriptL155[08:08:38] <Rph> I
stole some code from MineOS' double buffering library and
translated it to js, too
<Rph> I
stole some code from MineOS' double buffering library and
translated it to js, tooL156[08:08:47] <Rph>
specifically their "closest 8 bit color" function
<Rph>
specifically their "closest 8 bit color" functionL157[08:09:02] <Bob>
lel
<Bob>
lelL159[08:10:15] <Z0idburg>
Do you know how video game consoles reduced memory size and
therefore sped up the processing (but mostly reduced memory size
significantly) in video games?
<Z0idburg>
Do you know how video game consoles reduced memory size and
therefore sped up the processing (but mostly reduced memory size
significantly) in video games?L160[08:10:24] <Rph> not
really
<Rph> not
reallyL161[08:10:25] <Z0idburg>
for the output picture
<Z0idburg>
for the output pictureL162[08:10:38] <Rph> they
certainly used some tricks
<Rph> they
certainly used some tricksL163[08:10:41] <Z0idburg>
lets say that you have a 320x200 image
<Z0idburg>
lets say that you have a 320x200 imageL164[08:10:59] <Z0idburg>
that entire image is already 64K of memory
<Z0idburg>
that entire image is already 64K of memoryL165[08:11:15] <Rph> well
in my format the images are variable size, actually
<Rph> well
in my format the images are variable size, actuallyL166[08:11:17] <Z0idburg>
kbits that is not kbytes
<Z0idburg>
kbits that is not kbytesL167[08:11:23] <Z0idburg>
64,000 kbits
<Z0idburg>
64,000 kbitsL168[08:11:45] <Z0idburg>
if you are just showing black and white it would be 64kbit
<Z0idburg>
if you are just showing black and white it would be 64kbitL169[08:11:50] <Z0idburg>
but!
<Z0idburg>
but!L170[08:11:51] <Rph> also I
wrote a thing that takes my image format and spits out lua code
that can run either on openos or as a init.lua
<Rph> also I
wrote a thing that takes my image format and spits out lua code
that can run either on openos or as a init.luaL171[08:12:13] <Z0idburg>
people wanted color. Let's say you did 24 bit RGB. no transparency
/ alpha. Ok soo...
<Z0idburg>
people wanted color. Let's say you did 24 bit RGB. no transparency
/ alpha. Ok soo...L172[08:12:54] <Rph> I
mean, I dont particularly care about old consoles... The tricks I
used for OC worked
<Rph> I
mean, I dont particularly care about old consoles... The tricks I
used for OC workedL173[08:12:57] <Z0idburg>
so now you have an 8 bit r g and b channel and it's 1.536Mbit
<Z0idburg>
so now you have an 8 bit r g and b channel and it's 1.536MbitL174[08:13:07] <Z0idburg> I
know but
<Z0idburg> I
know butL175[08:13:20] <Z0idburg>
the concepts are still used today
<Z0idburg>
the concepts are still used todayL176[08:13:29] <Z0idburg>
when things are tight
<Z0idburg>
when things are tightL177[08:14:19] <Z0idburg>
so the way they would reduce this as much as possible is to
determins how many colors they are willing to have maximum. 24 bit
RGB is 16.7 million colors.
<Z0idburg>
so the way they would reduce this as much as possible is to
determins how many colors they are willing to have maximum. 24 bit
RGB is 16.7 million colors.L178[08:14:56] <Rph> not
with 12 bit HDR
<Rph> not
with 12 bit HDRL179[08:15:06] <Z0idburg>
so for example, you might say you will allow for up to 256 colors,
now your image is instantly half a mbit.
<Z0idburg>
so for example, you might say you will allow for up to 256 colors,
now your image is instantly half a mbit.L180[08:15:14] <Z0idburg>
or,
<Z0idburg>
or,L181[08:15:27] <Z0idburg>
64 colors at 4mbit
<Z0idburg>
64 colors at 4mbitL182[08:15:39] <Z0idburg>
64 was actually ~ how many colors the Sega Genesis had
<Z0idburg>
64 was actually ~ how many colors the Sega Genesis hadL183[08:15:58] <Rph> I
wasn't alive when the genesis launched, lol
<Rph> I
wasn't alive when the genesis launched, lolL184[08:16:02] <Z0idburg>
they would go further, by reducing the internal or output
resolution even
<Z0idburg>
they would go further, by reducing the internal or output
resolution evenL185[08:16:24] <Z0idburg>
sometimes they would half the pixels in both directions, and flip
between two different images at 60fps,
<Z0idburg>
sometimes they would half the pixels in both directions, and flip
between two different images at 60fps,L186[08:16:31] <Z0idburg>
which would get you..
<Z0idburg>
which would get you..L187[08:16:49] <Z0idburg>
110 * 100 * 64 = ~ 704Kbit
<Z0idburg>
110 * 100 * 64 = ~ 704KbitL188[08:16:53] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L189[08:17:00] <Z0idburg>
now here's why I'm saying this
<Z0idburg>
now here's why I'm saying thisL190[08:17:19] <Z0idburg>
it's a lot easier to process through 704kbit than 1.5 Mbit ?
<Z0idburg>
it's a lot easier to process through 704kbit than 1.5 Mbit ?L191[08:17:40] <Z0idburg>
and how did they reduce the ammount of colors? using a color map
table.
<Z0idburg>
and how did they reduce the ammount of colors? using a color map
table.L192[08:17:52] <Z0idburg>
aka a palette.
<Z0idburg>
aka a palette.L193[08:18:31] <Z0idburg>
in some systems they were even smart enough to swap palettes every
other frame to average colors to make it look like you had 256
colors instead of 64
<Z0idburg>
in some systems they were even smart enough to swap palettes every
other frame to average colors to make it look like you had 256
colors instead of 64L194[08:18:32] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L195[08:18:51] <Rph>
well
<Rph>
wellL196[08:18:56] <Rph>
considering it was on CRT back then
<Rph>
considering it was on CRT back thenL197[08:19:02] <Rph> and
not on super sharp LCD monitors
<Rph> and
not on super sharp LCD monitorsL198[08:19:08] <Rph>
probably dithering could have been used more
<Rph>
probably dithering could have been used moreL199[08:19:11] <Z0idburg> I
agree it was easier with composite video
<Z0idburg> I
agree it was easier with composite videoL200[08:19:16] <Rph> maybe
even the "moving around" dithering
<Rph> maybe
even the "moving around" ditheringL201[08:19:23] <Z0idburg>
however the palette trick still works
<Z0idburg>
however the palette trick still worksL202[08:19:26] <Rph> where
you have 2 frame animation used to achieve even better
ilusion
<Rph> where
you have 2 frame animation used to achieve even better
ilusionL203[08:20:18] <Z0idburg>
the guy who created sonic 3D blast for the sega fit a 17 MB
introduction video in a game cart that was only 4Mbit, with room
for the entire game left in it.
<Z0idburg>
the guy who created sonic 3D blast for the sega fit a 17 MB
introduction video in a game cart that was only 4Mbit, with room
for the entire game left in it.L204[08:20:32] <Z0idburg>
sorry 4MB
<Z0idburg>
sorry 4MBL205[08:20:37] <Rph> I
watched that
<Rph> I
watched thatL206[08:20:41] <Z0idburg>
yeah
<Z0idburg>
yeahL207[08:20:44] <Rph>
youtube video, that is
<Rph>
youtube video, that isL208[08:20:49] <Z0idburg>
yes
<Z0idburg>
yesL209[08:20:51] <Bob>
palettes
<Bob>
palettesL210[08:21:03] <Z0idburg>
and stretching ?
<Z0idburg>
and stretching ?L211[08:21:12] <Rph> I
think I prefer the modern days where there are people doing GUI
applications with vulkan
<Rph> I
think I prefer the modern days where there are people doing GUI
applications with vulkanL212[08:21:14] <Z0idburg>
it was quite an impressive show of the tricks they used to
use
<Z0idburg>
it was quite an impressive show of the tricks they used to
useL213[08:21:28] <Z0idburg>
vulkan is in danger atm
<Z0idburg>
vulkan is in danger atmL214[08:21:37] <Rph>
why
<Rph>
whyL215[08:21:40] <Rph> its a
good api
<Rph> its a
good apiL216[08:21:43] <Z0idburg>
yes
<Z0idburg>
yesL217[08:21:44] <Rph> people
are using it
<Rph> people
are using itL218[08:22:14] <Rph> it
wont stop existing tomorrow
<Rph> it
wont stop existing tomorrowL219[08:23:14] <Izaya> tfw vulkan killed
DX12 before it even existed
L220[08:23:41] <Z0idburg>
it will likely stick around, but it was unfortunate that some
larger companies are choosing to ignore it
<Z0idburg>
it will likely stick around, but it was unfortunate that some
larger companies are choosing to ignore itL221[08:23:45] <Z0idburg>
hopefully that won't last long
<Z0idburg>
hopefully that won't last longL222[08:24:05] <Z0idburg>
And now some new api is coming out to replace Vulkan
<Z0idburg>
And now some new api is coming out to replace VulkanL223[08:24:10] <Forecaster>
maybe it will live long and prosper
<Forecaster>
maybe it will live long and prosperL224[08:24:14] <Z0idburg>
possibly
<Z0idburg>
possiblyL225[08:24:32] <Rph> isn't
RDR2 apparently supposed to use vk based on datamining?
<Rph> isn't
RDR2 apparently supposed to use vk based on datamining?L226[08:24:33] <Forecaster>
or maybe it will die in a sealed chamber
<Forecaster>
or maybe it will die in a sealed chamberL227[08:24:44] <Z0idburg>
No idea
<Z0idburg>
No ideaL228[08:24:57] <Z0idburg>
we don't need GPUs for datamining anymore
<Z0idburg>
we don't need GPUs for datamining anymoreL229[08:25:04] <Rph>
?
<Rph>
?L230[08:25:10] <Z0idburg>
we have specialized processing units just for that now, they're
called TPUs.
<Z0idburg>
we have specialized processing units just for that now, they're
called TPUs.L231[08:25:21] <Izaya> use of that term in
that way annoys me greatly even though it's not inaccurate
L232[08:25:23] <Rph>
datamining = decompiling existing binaries and searching for
strings
<Rph>
datamining = decompiling existing binaries and searching for
stringsL233[08:25:30] <Rph> not
cryptocurrency mining
<Rph> not
cryptocurrency miningL234[08:25:49] <Z0idburg>
oh that kind oft datamining. Funny thing is TPUs are great for that
too
<Z0idburg>
oh that kind oft datamining. Funny thing is TPUs are great for that
tooL235[08:25:53] <Rph>
how
<Rph>
howL236[08:25:59] <Bob> Any
way to get the output of when pressing tab to get a command
autocompletition with a debug card ?
<Bob> Any
way to get the output of when pressing tab to get a command
autocompletition with a debug card ?L237[08:26:03] <Z0idburg>
TPUs are matrix procerssing units.
<Z0idburg>
TPUs are matrix procerssing units.L238[08:26:05] <Rph> I
think for decompiling binaries, regular CPUs are still good
<Rph> I
think for decompiling binaries, regular CPUs are still goodL239[08:26:10] <Rph>
because binaries are not matrixes
<Rph>
because binaries are not matrixesL240[08:26:18] <Rph> and
they are usually decompiled linearly not in a heavily parallel
way
<Rph> and
they are usually decompiled linearly not in a heavily parallel
wayL241[08:31:37] <Z0idburg>
they can still be used for a lot of it. Matrix operations are
extremely powerful when there's a lot of data. I have a friend
who's really big into big data, deep learning, etc. He's heading to
CA to do presentations on experimental algorithms or something I
forget, thing is datamining in itself is perfect for matrix
operations because a processing unit can parallelize the mining
process part of it. It has nothing to do with decompiling
linearly
<Z0idburg>
they can still be used for a lot of it. Matrix operations are
extremely powerful when there's a lot of data. I have a friend
who's really big into big data, deep learning, etc. He's heading to
CA to do presentations on experimental algorithms or something I
forget, thing is datamining in itself is perfect for matrix
operations because a processing unit can parallelize the mining
process part of it. It has nothing to do with decompiling
linearlyL242[08:31:37] <Z0idburg>
that is just a category of scenarios.
<Z0idburg>
that is just a category of scenarios.L243[08:31:58] <Rph>
decompiling binaries is not deep learning tho
<Rph>
decompiling binaries is not deep learning thoL244[08:32:10] <Z0idburg> I
don't think you understand
<Z0idburg> I
don't think you understandL245[08:32:19] <Z0idburg>
the concept fo data mining is often categorized into big data
now
<Z0idburg>
the concept fo data mining is often categorized into big data
nowL246[08:32:29] <Izaya> And you don't seem
to understaaaaand
L247[08:32:35] <Izaya> A shame you seemed
an-
L248[08:32:38] <Izaya> oh never mind
L249[08:32:42] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L250[08:33:53] <Z0idburg>
who you talkin to Izaya
<Z0idburg>
who you talkin to IzayaL251[08:33:54] <Z0idburg>
lol
<Z0idburg>
lolL252[08:34:10] <Izaya> S3: it's a
song
L253[08:34:17] <Z0idburg>
oh that song
<Z0idburg>
oh that songL254[08:35:30] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/hgosnc.png jhc if these are
the requirements for LO Online I don't want to consider how much it
costs to run office 365
L255[08:36:02] <Z0idburg>
The other thing is deep learning plays a part in datamining in
cases as well tbh
<Z0idburg>
The other thing is deep learning plays a part in datamining in
cases as well tbhL256[08:36:19] <Z0idburg> I
don't think you realize just how crazy the whole scene of data
mining gets these days
<Z0idburg> I
don't think you realize just how crazy the whole scene of data
mining gets these daysL257[08:36:46] <Z0idburg>
wtf Izaya
<Z0idburg>
wtf IzayaL258[08:36:47] <Z0idburg>
why
<Z0idburg>
whyL259[08:37:09] <Izaya> unsure, but given
it's web-related, I'm going to blame javascript
L260[08:37:16] <Rph>
no
<Rph>
noL261[08:37:18] <Z0idburg>
blame javascript
<Z0idburg>
blame javascriptL262[08:37:27] <Rph>
javascript executes in your browser (usually)
<Rph>
javascript executes in your browser (usually)L263[08:37:41] <Izaya> apparently it takes
2-8 hours to install too which is fun
L264[08:37:42] <Z0idburg>
javascript executes wherever tf itw ants to
<Z0idburg>
javascript executes wherever tf itw ants toL265[08:37:48] <Rph> and it
doesn't require any more resources on the server (Besides storing
& delivering it)
<Rph> and it
doesn't require any more resources on the server (Besides storing
& delivering it)L266[08:37:59] <Rph>
LibreOffice is always like this
<Rph>
LibreOffice is always like thisL267[08:37:59] <Izaya> Rph: except when
bad programmers refuse to learn an appropriate skill for the task
at hand and use javascript anyway
L268[08:38:02] <Rph> I
remember compiling it
<Rph> I
remember compiling itL269[08:38:08] <Rph>
"bad programmer"
<Rph>
"bad programmer"L270[08:38:17] <Rph> or a
busy one who just wants to quickly make something
<Rph> or a
busy one who just wants to quickly make somethingL271[08:38:41] <Z0idburg>
Izaya there's always that person who does dfpwm encoding in
Javascript and wants to make an electron app out of it because they
chose Javascript
<Z0idburg>
Izaya there's always that person who does dfpwm encoding in
Javascript and wants to make an electron app out of it because they
chose JavascriptL272[08:38:44] <Z0idburg> ?
loliolol
<Z0idburg> ?
loliololL273[08:38:47] <Z0idburg>
I'm just teasing Rph
<Z0idburg>
I'm just teasing RphL274[08:38:52] <Rph> im not
doing dfpwm
<Rph> im not
doing dfpwmL275[08:38:53] <Rph> im
doing images
<Rph> im
doing imagesL276[08:38:57] <Z0idburg>
ok then
<Z0idburg>
ok thenL277[08:39:10] <Rph> and
electron is the best way to make a multiplatform gui
effortlessly
<Rph> and
electron is the best way to make a multiplatform gui
effortlesslyL278[08:39:13] <Izaya> having no regard
for efficiency is hardly good programming, but aaanyway
L279[08:39:15] <Z0idburg>
you should dfpwm your images so they can be put on tape
<Z0idburg>
you should dfpwm your images so they can be put on tapeL280[08:39:52] <Rph> izaya
let me guess, you also use gentoo and program everything in bare
machine code?
<Rph> izaya
let me guess, you also use gentoo and program everything in bare
machine code?L281[08:40:02] <Izaya> why is this the
leap everyone makes
L282[08:40:04] <Z0idburg>
Electron is very powerful. It's something I always wanted because
its ABOUT TIME WE HAVE AN ASYNCRONOUS GUI FRAMEWORK
<Z0idburg>
Electron is very powerful. It's something I always wanted because
its ABOUT TIME WE HAVE AN ASYNCRONOUS GUI FRAMEWORKL283[08:40:08] <Z0idburg>
omg
<Z0idburg>
omgL284[08:40:16] <Z0idburg>
and electron is naturally async
<Z0idburg>
and electron is naturally asyncL285[08:40:17] <Rph> just
make 2 threads
<Rph> just
make 2 threadsL286[08:40:25] <Rph> and
fuck around trying to sync them
<Rph> and
fuck around trying to sync themL287[08:40:28] <Rph> and
lock resources
<Rph> and
lock resourcesL288[08:40:36] <Rph> and
spend 10 years making a good multithread architecture
<Rph> and
spend 10 years making a good multithread architectureL289[08:40:36] <Z0idburg>
No.. that's not a good way to do it
<Z0idburg>
No.. that's not a good way to do itL290[08:40:46] <Z0idburg>
most gui libs Rph have a main loop
<Z0idburg>
most gui libs Rph have a main loopL291[08:40:47] <Rph> or
just ride on the work other people did
<Rph> or
just ride on the work other people didL292[08:40:52] <Z0idburg>
and they really shouldn't
<Z0idburg>
and they really shouldn'tL293[08:41:06] <Izaya> haiku UI lib >
your UI lib
L294[08:41:15] <Z0idburg>
But this is coming from somebody who prefers reactive
programming
<Z0idburg>
But this is coming from somebody who prefers reactive
programmingL295[08:41:33] <Izaya> I use a binary
distro and tend to write stuff in Lua or Rust or forth
L296[08:41:36] <Z0idburg> I
love reactive functional programming
<Z0idburg> I
love reactive functional programmingL297[08:41:37] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L298[08:41:44] <Izaya> I don't have time
for gentoo I have a job that doesn't involve computers
L299[08:41:54] <Z0idburg>
Oh you're into Forth now?
<Z0idburg>
Oh you're into Forth now?L300[08:42:06] <Izaya> I was always into
forth
L301[08:42:19] <Forecaster>
before it was cool?
<Forecaster>
before it was cool?L302[08:42:29] <Izaya> no it was never
cool
L303[08:42:30] <Rph> ah,
rust
<Rph> ah,
rustL304[08:42:34] <Rph> for
high performance I use go
<Rph> for
high performance I use goL305[08:42:35] <Z0idburg> I
am thinking of how I can write a Forth interpreter in C# for space
engineers to control my space stations and ships with Forth what do
you think?
<Z0idburg> I
am thinking of how I can write a Forth interpreter in C# for space
engineers to control my space stations and ships with Forth what do
you think?L306[08:42:49] <Z0idburg>
Because screw C#
<Z0idburg>
Because screw C#L307[08:42:59] <Rph> ~~See
hashtag~~
<Rph> ~~See
hashtag~~L308[08:43:10] <Z0idburg>
lol
<Z0idburg>
lolL309[08:43:17] <Izaya> I have misgivings
about Go but the stuff I've used written in Go seems reasonable so
???
L310[08:43:22] <Z0idburg>
It actually gets its name from music
<Z0idburg>
It actually gets its name from musicL311[08:43:24] <Z0idburg>
iirc
<Z0idburg>
iircL312[08:43:50] <Forecaster>
"Sharp" is from music yes
<Forecaster>
"Sharp" is from music yesL313[08:43:53] <Izaya> S3: hell yeah
sounds like fun, though I don't know what the C# env in SE is
like
L314[08:46:46] <Z0idburg> I
am heading to the junk yard in half an hour
<Z0idburg> I
am heading to the junk yard in half an hourL315[08:46:59] <Z0idburg> I
need to pull out a computer from another Jeep
<Z0idburg> I
need to pull out a computer from another JeepL316[08:47:40] <Izaya> so someone wrote a
screensaver for xscreensaver that renders two skeleton hands making
rude gestures
L317[08:47:46] <Izaya> absolute
legend
L318[08:48:34] <Z0idburg>
The thing that irks me Izaya is that it almost looks like the
objects on your grid in SE are all sort of referenced like some
sort of member of an object, I REALLY hjope there's a MOP so I can
reference stuff by strings.
<Z0idburg>
The thing that irks me Izaya is that it almost looks like the
objects on your grid in SE are all sort of referenced like some
sort of member of an object, I REALLY hjope there's a MOP so I can
reference stuff by strings.L319[08:48:39] <Z0idburg>
MAN I hate OOP
<Z0idburg>
MAN I hate OOPL320[08:48:45] <Z0idburg>
it's nasty af
<Z0idburg>
it's nasty afL321[08:49:07] <Inari> What about
it?
L322[08:49:27] <Z0idburg>
Ok I don't hate it as much as I say, but I don't like being
constrained to it
<Z0idburg>
Ok I don't hate it as much as I say, but I don't like being
constrained to itL323[08:49:42] <Z0idburg> I
l;ike languages that aren't "revolved around it"
<Z0idburg> I
l;ike languages that aren't "revolved around it"L324[08:49:54] <Izaya> OOP is often one of
the less good ways to solve a problem but everyone lost their shit
over it around 2000
L325[08:55:41] <Inari> I find it fairly
nice. Whats the alternative?
L326[08:57:14] <Inari> Fumbling unnamed
array stuff is clumsy, as is just being able to stick on any
property you want on any type, hard to then have some place to see
whats actually on that object.
L327[08:57:26] <Inari> You get structs and
such in funcitonal langauges, but thats essentially objectss
too
L328[08:57:34] <Z0idburg>
Inari I think that depends on what you define an object
<Z0idburg>
Inari I think that depends on what you define an objectL329[08:58:57] <Z0idburg>
When I say object, I'm basically talking about a container, usually
derived out of some sort of template or spec that represents its
structure (optional) and contains both valeus or references that
represent how to perform work (functions or function points for
example) and the data they are to work with.
<Z0idburg>
When I say object, I'm basically talking about a container, usually
derived out of some sort of template or spec that represents its
structure (optional) and contains both valeus or references that
represent how to perform work (functions or function points for
example) and the data they are to work with.L330[08:59:11] <Z0idburg>
In a sense, that sounds pretty nice, because this means every
object has their own little universe
<Z0idburg>
In a sense, that sounds pretty nice, because this means every
object has their own little universeL331[09:00:16] <Z0idburg> I
don't know why I am typoing so much today
<Z0idburg> I
don't know why I am typoing so much todayL332[09:01:13] <Z0idburg> I
see an object as more of a tool that I should optionally be able to
use
<Z0idburg> I
see an object as more of a tool that I should optionally be able to
useL333[09:01:36] <Z0idburg>
So when I see a language that constricts you and forces you to
become part of namespaces and classes in order to do anything I get
upset
<Z0idburg>
So when I see a language that constricts you and forces you to
become part of namespaces and classes in order to do anything I get
upsetL334[09:02:54] <Z0idburg>
The other thing is, I don't like to mix data and code in my data
structures. Granted, most OOP doesn't require you to do that, but
I'm just saying I like to use flat libraries that operate on
"known data"
<Z0idburg>
The other thing is, I don't like to mix data and code in my data
structures. Granted, most OOP doesn't require you to do that, but
I'm just saying I like to use flat libraries that operate on
"known data"L335[09:02:59] <Z0idburg>
data it knows how to work with
<Z0idburg>
data it knows how to work withL336[09:03:32] <Forecaster>
%tonk
<Forecaster>
%tonkL337[09:03:32] <MichiBot> Dogast!
Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of 32 minutes and 37
seconds! I hope you're happy!
L338[09:03:33] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 6 hours, 10 minutes and 35 seconds! 5 hours, 37 minutes
and 57 seconds gained! No points gained for stealing from yourself.
(Lost 0.00563 x 1 = 0.00563)
L339[09:03:58] <Z0idburg>
I'm building Trotwood that way. For example the gpu driver you use
.build() which returns a table containing everything a terminal
needs to be represented as in data
<Z0idburg>
I'm building Trotwood that way. For example the gpu driver you use
.build() which returns a table containing everything a terminal
needs to be represented as in dataL340[09:04:15] <Z0idburg>
and every time you perform an operation, you pass it to the gpu
driver
<Z0idburg>
and every time you perform an operation, you pass it to the gpu
driverL341[09:04:30] <Z0idburg>
This is where the one huge annoyance of Lua gets to me:
<Z0idburg>
This is where the one huge annoyance of Lua gets to me:L342[09:05:01] <Z0idburg>
if I modify the table in the gpu, it modifies the original copy I
sent. It shouldn't do that- or if it does I should be able to use
some sort of sigil to send a by value copy
<Z0idburg>
if I modify the table in the gpu, it modifies the original copy I
sent. It shouldn't do that- or if it does I should be able to use
some sort of sigil to send a by value copyL343[09:05:03] <Z0idburg>
and return a new copy
<Z0idburg>
and return a new copyL344[09:05:42] <Izaya> that annoys me
somewhat also, most values are immutable, but not tables - it's
inconsistent
L345[09:05:46] <Z0idburg>
like how tables are #table for the length of the table right, I
should be ableto use something like %table or something to get a
byvalue copy
<Z0idburg>
like how tables are #table for the length of the table right, I
should be ableto use something like %table or something to get a
byvalue copyL346[09:05:53] <Z0idburg>
yes
<Z0idburg>
yesL347[09:06:11] <Z0idburg> I
don't mind if tables operate off of references by default
<Z0idburg> I
don't mind if tables operate off of references by defaultL348[09:06:15] <Z0idburg>
but a C powered deep copy would be nice.
<Z0idburg>
but a C powered deep copy would be nice.L349[09:06:46] <Z0idburg>
with strong references for things I want to pass around like
function pointers perhaps, noty that I use those much
<Z0idburg>
with strong references for things I want to pass around like
function pointers perhaps, noty that I use those muchL350[09:07:32] <Z0idburg>
in fact yes, I would say allow deep copy byvalue tables that only
treat functions as references.
<Z0idburg>
in fact yes, I would say allow deep copy byvalue tables that only
treat functions as references.L351[09:08:38] <Z0idburg>
but to encourage speed and not break anybody's current code, keep
tables the way they are if you don't specify I guess
<Z0idburg>
but to encourage speed and not break anybody's current code, keep
tables the way they are if you don't specify I guessL352[09:08:55]
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L353[09:09:19] <Z0idburg>
But anyways for the reasons of the table being so weird I
unfortunately am forced to pass tables to functions in Trotwood
unsafely.
<Z0idburg>
But anyways for the reasons of the table being so weird I
unfortunately am forced to pass tables to functions in Trotwood
unsafely.L354[09:09:48] <Z0idburg>
you'll notice I usually return the table back to you
<Z0idburg>
you'll notice I usually return the table back to youL355[09:10:06] <Z0idburg>
and that's just a courtesy in case it may give you a new table
instead because I decided to.
<Z0idburg>
and that's just a courtesy in case it may give you a new table
instead because I decided to.L356[09:10:17] ⇦
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L358[09:10:25] <Z0idburg>
Hi vifino!
<Z0idburg>
Hi vifino!L359[09:12:17] ⇦
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L361[09:15:50] <Z0idburg>
Izaya I'm actually thinking of forcing a byvalue copy of every
table you send to another process
<Z0idburg>
Izaya I'm actually thinking of forcing a byvalue copy of every
table you send to another processL362[09:15:55] <Z0idburg>
it will slow it down but I don't know how much
<Z0idburg>
it will slow it down but I don't know how muchL363[09:16:00] <Z0idburg>
most messages are extremely small
<Z0idburg>
most messages are extremely smallL364[09:16:13] <Izaya> with OC call
limits, probably not by much
L365[09:16:21] <Z0idburg>
and flat, like {":do-something", param1, param2 }
<Z0idburg>
and flat, like {":do-something", param1, param2 }L366[09:17:08] <Z0idburg> I
am concerned because I want Trotwood to be fast but also don't want
you to be able to screw up another process by giving it data that
will be modified before it even gets to work on it
<Z0idburg> I
am concerned because I want Trotwood to be fast but also don't want
you to be able to screw up another process by giving it data that
will be modified before it even gets to work on itL367[09:17:37] <Rph> I
think using metatables you could perhaps make an immutable
table
<Rph> I
think using metatables you could perhaps make an immutable
tableL368[09:17:50] <Z0idburg>
i.e. you send a table to process b nd c, and process c runs first,
handles data, changes table, process b gets modified table
<Z0idburg>
i.e. you send a table to process b nd c, and process c runs first,
handles data, changes table, process b gets modified tableL369[09:17:55] <Izaya> only if you sandbox
away setmetatable
L370[09:17:58] *
Izaya pokes t20kdc
L371[09:18:03] <Rph>
well
<Rph>
wellL372[09:18:11] <Rph> its a
good idea to sandbox everything in a OC os
<Rph> its a
good idea to sandbox everything in a OC osL373[09:19:10] <Z0idburg> I
don't sandbox components
<Z0idburg> I
don't sandbox componentsL374[09:19:26] <Z0idburg>
however, I will be providing an IO device system
<Z0idburg>
however, I will be providing an IO device systemL375[09:19:31] <Z0idburg>
that I would prefer you to use
<Z0idburg>
that I would prefer you to useL376[09:20:04] <Z0idburg>
it's pretty much the component API but instead of seeing the
componts on your system you see the components on every node even
separated by relays.
<Z0idburg>
it's pretty much the component API but instead of seeing the
componts on your system you see the components on every node even
separated by relays.L377[09:20:16] <Rph> I will
sandbox the filesystem component
<Rph> I will
sandbox the filesystem componentL378[09:20:19] <Rph>
because
<Rph>
becauseL379[09:20:20] *
Izaya takes the DOS approach
L380[09:20:24] <Rph> as I
discussed previously
<Rph> as I
discussed previouslyL381[09:20:27] <Z0idburg>
and tyou can even see meta data that tells you where they are
attached if they're local etc
<Z0idburg>
and tyou can even see meta data that tells you where they are
attached if they're local etcL382[09:20:34] <Rph> my os
wont really have a single, consistent filesystem
<Rph> my os
wont really have a single, consistent filesystemL383[09:20:41] <Rph> but
rather "spaces" which programs have to claim
<Rph> but
rather "spaces" which programs have to claimL384[09:20:56] <Z0idburg>
nothing is sandboxed in DOS
<Z0idburg>
nothing is sandboxed in DOSL385[09:20:57] <Z0idburg>
lol
<Z0idburg>
lolL386[09:21:09] <Z0idburg>
everything is just sticking out there, and interrupts control
everything
<Z0idburg>
everything is just sticking out there, and interrupts control
everythingL387[09:21:11] <Izaya> inb4 can't move any
software to the SD card on Rph's OS
L388[09:21:19] <Izaya> S3: everything is
permitted
L389[09:21:19] <Rph>
well
<Rph>
wellL390[09:21:27] <Rph> I am
talking about an OC operating system here
<Rph> I am
talking about an OC operating system hereL391[09:21:45] <Rph> and
well, the OS will expose a function to move application data to an
external storage unit
<Rph> and
well, the OS will expose a function to move application data to an
external storage unitL392[09:22:03] <Izaya> though I guess my
design goal is to provide a comf programming environment rather
than a secure OS or whatever
L393[09:22:18] <Rph> and
non-boot and non-formatted storage devices will be available as a
single large space, too
<Rph> and
non-boot and non-formatted storage devices will be available as a
single large space, tooL394[09:22:22] <Z0idburg> I
really don't care about security
<Z0idburg> I
really don't care about securityL395[09:22:25] <Z0idburg>
because it's Minecraft ?
<Z0idburg>
because it's Minecraft ?L396[09:22:40] <Z0idburg>
What are they going to do, good grief! lol get it?
<Z0idburg>
What are they going to do, good grief! lol get it?L397[09:22:49] <Rph>
well
<Rph>
wellL398[09:22:54] <Rph> My
security structure will be a mixed bag too
<Rph> My
security structure will be a mixed bag tooL399[09:22:57] <Izaya> I mean it's an
interesting challenge to sandbox it
L400[09:23:05] <Rph>
because apps will have the ability to install kernel modules
<Rph>
because apps will have the ability to install kernel modulesL401[09:23:13] <Rph> or
change the boot script
<Rph> or
change the boot scriptL402[09:23:15] <Z0idburg>
the thing is security is nonexistant at the physical level
<Z0idburg>
the thing is security is nonexistant at the physical levelL403[09:23:18] <Izaya> but at the same
time you can get a lot more done if you just don't worry about
it
L404[09:23:19] <Rph> both
of which aren't sandboxed at all
<Rph> both
of which aren't sandboxed at allL405[09:23:28] <Z0idburg>
you can't have security if somebody is standing near your computer
even in real life
<Z0idburg>
you can't have security if somebody is standing near your computer
even in real lifeL406[09:23:33] <Izaya> though I'm thinking
it might be worthwhile to have a rootkit of a sort for storing
secrets
L407[09:23:48] <Z0idburg>
the best thing you can do is keep the honest people out
<Z0idburg>
the best thing you can do is keep the honest people outL408[09:23:57] <Rph>
creating a rootkit on my OS will be easy, just declare a kernel
module in your manifest file
<Rph>
creating a rootkit on my OS will be easy, just declare a kernel
module in your manifest fileL409[09:24:06] <Izaya> runs before the OS,
cordons off part of the boot filesystem, provides functions for
authentication and configuration storage
L410[09:24:31] <Rph> thats
essentially what my kernel will do
<Rph> thats
essentially what my kernel will doL411[09:24:43] <Z0idburg>
The nice thing about Trotwood at least is that it uses a uuid
whitelist of nodes to listen to for IPC
<Z0idburg>
The nice thing about Trotwood at least is that it uses a uuid
whitelist of nodes to listen to for IPCL412[09:24:58] <Z0idburg>
which can be dynamically set and configured by the admin but
<Z0idburg>
which can be dynamically set and configured by the admin butL413[09:25:15] <Z0idburg>
otherwise other computers on the network could raise havoc
<Z0idburg>
otherwise other computers on the network could raise havocL414[09:25:39] <Rph>
spoofing card (IIRC some addon mod provides it)
<Rph>
spoofing card (IIRC some addon mod provides it)L415[09:25:55] <Rph> also
do you encrypt communication
<Rph> also
do you encrypt communicationL416[09:25:58] <Z0idburg>
at that point you've been granted permission to do that
though
<Z0idburg>
at that point you've been granted permission to do that
thoughL417[09:26:09] <Z0idburg>
no I don't, you don't need to if you send directly to a UUID
<Z0idburg>
no I don't, you don't need to if you send directly to a UUIDL418[09:26:15] <Rph> ah
right
<Rph> ah
rightL419[09:26:20] <Z0idburg>
you can't intercept that without a mod or something
<Z0idburg>
you can't intercept that without a mod or somethingL420[09:26:29] <Rph>
speaking of encryption, I will encrypt app spaces under 16 KB
<Rph>
speaking of encryption, I will encrypt app spaces under 16 KBL421[09:27:01] <Rph> so if
you have something like a game, you declare 2 spaces: one for
sensitive authentication and the other one for stuff like misc
data
<Rph> so if
you have something like a game, you declare 2 spaces: one for
sensitive authentication and the other one for stuff like misc
dataL422[09:27:18] <Rph> and
the sensitive authentication gets automatically encrypted with a
key derived from the checksum of your app and signature
<Rph> and
the sensitive authentication gets automatically encrypted with a
key derived from the checksum of your app and signatureL423[09:28:18] <Z0idburg>
lol
<Z0idburg>
lolL424[09:28:32] <Z0idburg>
anyways I'm heading to the junk yard it's time to fix my car
<Z0idburg>
anyways I'm heading to the junk yard it's time to fix my carL425[09:28:34] <Rph>
ok
<Rph>
okL426[09:29:00] <Rph> im
doing this security features so in 2 years when the OS is ready, I
can have a full section on the forum post dedicated to the seucrity
of the os
<Rph> im
doing this security features so in 2 years when the OS is ready, I
can have a full section on the forum post dedicated to the seucrity
of the osL427[09:30:32] <Rph> But
well this automatic encryption has a flaw: the key can be derived
by an attacker and in fact I will probably make an openos tool to
explore app spaces created on an attached disk
<Rph> But
well this automatic encryption has a flaw: the key can be derived
by an attacker and in fact I will probably make an openos tool to
explore app spaces created on an attached diskL428[09:34:34] <Lizzian>
When you need to configure the server under the stairs but can't do
it remotely http://tinyurl.com/y6dtkj7j
<Lizzian>
When you need to configure the server under the stairs but can't do
it remotely http://tinyurl.com/y6dtkj7jL429[09:35:13] <Rph>
Roasted keyboard recipe:
<Rph>
Roasted keyboard recipe:L430[09:35:13] <Rph> Place
keyboard on gas burner, set power to medium and let it cook for 10
minutes
<Rph> Place
keyboard on gas burner, set power to medium and let it cook for 10
minutesL431[09:35:22] <Rph> Enjoy
roasted keyboard
<Rph> Enjoy
roasted keyboardL432[09:38:35] <Bob>
Yes
<Bob>
YesL433[09:39:27] <McMaartenz>
lol
<McMaartenz>
lolL434[09:40:38]
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L435[09:45:41] <Lizzy> a bit more context
to that photo: the cable that comes from behind the monitor and
goes down and then out of the pic is actually the 3-in-1 cable from
my vive because that was the only cable that had both hdmi and usb
at the length i needed
L436[09:47:27] <Lizzy> and behind the
monitor i had my computers usb-switcher thing as a sort of A-to-A
USB coupler
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L438[10:02:07] <Bob> are
there or conditions in lua patterns
<Bob> are
there or conditions in lua patternsL439[10:02:23] <Bob> like i
want - + a digit or word or something contained in
""
<Bob> like i
want - + a digit or word or something contained in
""L440[10:09:00] <Zef> I
think when declaring a variable or passing something to a function
you can use or
<Zef> I
think when declaring a variable or passing something to a function
you can use orL441[10:09:19] <Zef> And
lua will choose between the options with what it thinks is the best
one
<Zef> And
lua will choose between the options with what it thinks is the best
oneL442[10:10:10] <t20kdc> ...someone poked
me 43 minutes ago
L443[10:10:17] <Inari> ?
L444[10:10:29] *
Inari pokes t20kdc
L445[10:10:34] <t20kdc> Izaya: did you
poke me
L446[10:10:40] *
t20kdc pokes Inari
L447[10:10:51] <Inari> Izaya did
L448[10:11:27] <Bob> i need
to like have : dfpwm -n -b 65536 -i "/path/tomusic -
artist.wav" -o "/output.dfpwm"
<Bob> i need
to like have : dfpwm -n -b 65536 -i "/path/tomusic -
artist.wav" -o "/output.dfpwm"L449[10:11:47] <Bob> and
string gmatch procces all
<Bob> and
string gmatch procces allL450[10:12:11] <Bob> to
separate the n / b 65536 / i and o
<Bob> to
separate the n / b 65536 / i and oL451[10:22:38] ⇦
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L453[11:13:14] <Izaya> t20kdc: you know a
bit about sandboxing tables
L454[11:21:04] <Zef> @Bob
isn't there like a parse function?
<Zef> @Bob
isn't there like a parse function?L456[11:27:51] <Zef> Yes
there is
<Zef> Yes
there isL457[11:27:54] <Zef>
shell.parse
<Zef>
shell.parseL458[11:28:04] <Zef> ~w
shell
<Zef> ~w
shellL459[11:28:04] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:shell
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L461[11:32:17] <Inari> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/436555823423160320/556514992753475584/53926338_10155834307541607_8678306069555970048_n.png
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L464[11:33:29] <Forecaster>
I'm not sure that's what you're supposed to do
<Forecaster>
I'm not sure that's what you're supposed to doL465[11:34:24] <baschdel> %tonk
L466[11:34:24] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
baschdel, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 6 hours,
10 minutes and 35 seconds this time.
L467[11:34:25] <MichiBot> 2 hours, 30
minutes and 52 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours, 39 minutes
and 42 seconds!
L468[11:40:17] <Temia> %inv add Thancred x
Mollymark fanfiction
L469[11:40:18] *
MichiBot summons 'Thancred x Mollymark fanfiction' and adds to her
inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L470[11:40:32] *
Temia sips coffee and returns to her code
L471[11:43:45] <Inari> Temia: Whats
that
L472[11:43:57] <Inari> Temia: Whats you
coding
L473[11:44:08] <Temia> Personal wiki
program.
L474[11:44:25] <Temia> I needed a place to
store my thoughts and tbh wikidpad and zimwiki are seriously
lacking
L475[11:44:48] <Temia> Also wikidpad is
unmaintained and has to rely on old libraries to build
L476[11:45:31] <Inari> I see
L477[12:11:10] <Bob> @Zef
can i use it outside OC, in Lua without any additional libs (well
i'm getting luarocks so i will have some libs)
<Bob> @Zef
can i use it outside OC, in Lua without any additional libs (well
i'm getting luarocks so i will have some libs)L478[12:11:41] <Zef> Oh
you're using outside of oc
<Zef> Oh
you're using outside of ocL480[12:12:11] <Zef> I
found this
<Zef> I
found thisL481[12:12:24] <Aquablade>
Could someone help me get holoclock working on 2 projectors at the
same time?
<Aquablade>
Could someone help me get holoclock working on 2 projectors at the
same time?L482[12:12:26] <Bob>
rockspec
<Bob>
rockspecL483[12:12:52] <Bob>
@Aquablade just use component.list("hologram") to get all
the hologram adresses
<Bob>
@Aquablade just use component.list("hologram") to get all
the hologram adressesL484[12:13:04] <Bob> then
use component.proxy(adress) to controll each one
<Bob> then
use component.proxy(adress) to controll each oneL485[12:13:19] <Bob> then
to make them look connected is up to you
<Bob> then
to make them look connected is up to youL486[12:14:30] <Aquablade>
Ok
<Aquablade>
OkL488[12:18:15] <Aquablade>
So how would I fit that in here?
<Aquablade>
So how would I fit that in here?L489[12:23:37] <Bob>
easy
<Bob>
easyL490[12:24:13] <Aquablade>
Sorry, I'm still a noob at this
<Aquablade>
Sorry, I'm still a noob at thisL491[12:24:21] <Aquablade>
I am trying, believe me
<Aquablade>
I am trying, believe meL492[12:26:58] <Bob>
well
<Bob>
wellL493[12:27:02] <Bob> here
you need to know tables
<Bob> here
you need to know tablesL494[12:27:48]
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L496[12:29:04] <Inari> payonel / Temia:
https://imgur.com/gallery/4lVrP6H
L497[12:31:34] <Temia> aaaaaa
L498[12:31:59] <Inari> :3
L499[12:45:26] <dequbed> Aw damn I missed
Izaya arguing about programming languages.
L500[12:51:18] <Mimiru> \o/ got my
replacement switch from GameStop
L501[12:51:24] <Inari> \o/
L502[12:51:25] <Mimiru> aaaaaaaand it's
missing the JoyCons
L503[12:51:31] <Inari> What
L504[12:52:33] <Mimiru> yeah, the grip is
here, the stupid little removable 2 button peice ishere, the dock,
the switch cables...
L505[12:52:37] <Mimiru> and no
JoyCon
L506[12:53:16] <Inari> ..
L507[12:53:18] <Inari> Time to %flip
L508[13:08:14] <Vexatos> Mimiru,
gamestop?
L509[13:09:31] <Vexatos> you sure you
don't need a doctor q_q
L510[13:10:14] *
t20kdc quietly builds a factory for cell padding for padded
cells
L511[13:14:29] <AmandaC> %8ball time for
an immediate mk5?
L512[13:14:29] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Reply
hazy, try again
L513[13:14:38] <AmandaC> Bah
L514[13:14:53] <AmandaC> %8ball trying
again?
L515[13:14:53] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Ask
again later
L516[13:15:02] <AmandaC> :|
L517[13:17:49] <AmandaC> Fuck it, I'll do
a trial run in creative of converting the mk4 into a mk5 powered by
h2
L518[13:38:11] <Kodos>
Which reactor mod
<Kodos>
Which reactor modL519[13:39:43]
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L520[13:44:43] <Kleadron> --start
calculation--
L521[13:44:43] <Kleadron> 8 stacks of poor
iron ore
L522[13:44:43] <Kleadron> makes 170 ingots
and 6 nuggets
L523[13:44:43] <Kleadron> needs 64
coal
L524[13:44:43] <Kleadron> --end
calculation--
L525[13:49:33] <Bob>
:p
<Bob>
:pL526[13:54:35] <Kleadron> mining all of
that was probably a huge waste of time and resources since i used 4
entire pickaxes
L527[13:54:54] <Kleadron> iron
pickaxes
L528[13:55:07] <Zef> Hey at
least you made a return
<Zef> Hey at
least you made a returnL529[14:06:24] <Kodos> Here
I sit, feeling flawed. Tried to yee, but only hawed.
<Kodos> Here
I sit, feeling flawed. Tried to yee, but only hawed.L530[14:07:00] <Kodos> Oh,
neat, Railcraft went stable?
<Kodos> Oh,
neat, Railcraft went stable?L532[14:41:51] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L533[14:41:52] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 6
hours, 10 minutes and 35 seconds this time.
L534[14:41:53] <MichiBot> 3 hours, 7
minutes and 27 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours, 3 minutes
and 8 seconds!
L535[14:41:59] <CompanionCube> dayum
L536[14:42:01] <Kodos>
Ffs
<Kodos>
FfsL537[14:42:06] <CompanionCube>
%oclogs
L538[14:42:06] <MichiBot> CompanionCube:
https://oclogs.pc-logix.com/
L539[14:42:29] <CompanionCube> %LOOT
L540[14:42:31] <CompanionCube> %loot
L541[14:42:31] <MichiBot> CompanionCube:
You get a loot box! It contains a tiny model shoe.
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L552[16:45:41] <boiler>
%lua aaa
<boiler>
%lua aaaL553[16:45:41] <MichiBot> nil
L554[16:46:34] <boiler>
%lua function ree(a) return ree(ree(a)) end ree("bbq)
<boiler>
%lua function ree(a) return ree(ree(a)) end ree("bbq)L555[16:46:34] <MichiBot> main:1:
unfinished string near <eof>
L556[16:46:41] <boiler>
%lua function ree(a) return ree(ree(a)) end
ree("bbq")
<boiler>
%lua function ree(a) return ree(ree(a)) end
ree("bbq")L557[16:46:41] <MichiBot> not enough
memory
L558[16:47:02] <boiler>
gotem
<boiler>
gotemL559[16:48:22] <boiler> it
was a mistake to re-enable this command
<boiler> it
was a mistake to re-enable this commandL560[16:51:43] <Lizzy> %ignore
boiler
L561[16:51:51] *
Lizzy prods MichiBot
L562[16:52:02] *
Lizzy shrugs, gives up
L563[16:56:53] <Z0idburg>
+so
<Z0idburg>
+soL564[16:57:00] <Z0idburg> I
got an new computer for my car
<Z0idburg> I
got an new computer for my carL565[16:57:08] <Z0idburg>
but the moment I turn the car on it works!
<Z0idburg>
but the moment I turn the car on it works!L566[16:57:22] <Z0idburg>
then it shuts the car off by force because, the VIN number isn't
programmed in it yet
<Z0idburg>
then it shuts the car off by force because, the VIN number isn't
programmed in it yetL567[16:59:04] <Lizzy> %roll 66d66
L568[16:59:04] <MichiBot> Lizzy: Message
too long to send to channel https://paste.pc-logix.com/kebegaxuya
L569[17:38:48] <boiler>
zomg blocked
<boiler>
zomg blockedL570[17:38:54] <boiler> how
ever will i recover
<boiler> how
ever will i recoverL571[17:46:22]
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L573[18:08:00] <Izaya> S3: check IRC some
time
L574[18:14:35] <Bob>
%tonk
<Bob>
%tonkL575[18:14:35] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Bob,
you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 6 hours, 10
minutes and 35 seconds this time.
L576[18:14:36] <MichiBot> 3 hours, 32
minutes and 43 seconds were wasted! Missed by 2 hours, 37 minutes
and 51 seconds!
L577[18:15:03] <Bob>
Discord is really bad indeed
<Bob>
Discord is really bad indeedL578[18:24:55] <boiler>
%tonk
<boiler>
%tonkL579[18:25:02] <boiler>
arg
<boiler>
argL580[18:30:54] <Zef> Glad
you're ignored
<Zef> Glad
you're ignoredL581[18:39:03] <Bob>
:GWgoaShuu:
<Bob>
:GWgoaShuu:L582[18:47:23] ⇦
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L583[18:53:50] <Rph> %blame
Bob
<Rph> %blame
BobL584[18:53:50] *
MichiBot blames Bob for bridge fees
L585[19:02:17] <Bob> %blame
Discord
<Bob> %blame
DiscordL586[19:02:17] *
MichiBot blames Discord for all of the bugs%&
L587[19:02:37] <Bob> So
true actually, make out of it a quote
<Bob> So
true actually, make out of it a quoteL588[19:03:08] <boiler>
%blame economic inequality
<boiler>
%blame economic inequalityL589[19:03:12] <boiler>
blyat
<boiler>
blyatL590[19:04:28] <Forecaster>
Lizzy: ignore doesn't return anything
<Forecaster>
Lizzy: ignore doesn't return anythingL591[19:24:20] <Izaya> recommend chunk
loader mods for me
L592[19:25:01] <Forecaster>
OC :P
<Forecaster>
OC :PL593[19:25:09] <Izaya> Good start!
L594[19:25:19] <Izaya> However, can't put
a chunkloader in an adaptor x_x
L595[19:29:18] <Forecaster>
Add-on!
<Forecaster>
Add-on!L596[19:33:51] ⇦
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L598[19:58:04] <Bob> i use
chicken chunks though OC chunkloaders would be cool too ?
<Bob> i use
chicken chunks though OC chunkloaders would be cool too ?L599[19:58:15] <Bob> We
need alot of upgrades in adaptors
<Bob> We
need alot of upgrades in adaptorsL600[19:58:26] <Bob>
Adaptor that can move items when
<Bob>
Adaptor that can move items whenL601[19:58:55] <Izaya> now
L602[19:59:18] <AmandaC> It's called a
transposer
L603[20:00:45] <AmandaC> %8ball save all
reading for the airport / plane tomorrow?
L604[20:00:45] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Ask
again later
L605[20:00:53] <AmandaC> %choose yes or
no
L606[20:00:53] <MichiBot> AmandaC: no is
for cool kids!
L607[20:24:21] <Kodos> @Bob
See: Transposer
<Kodos> @Bob
See: TransposerL608[20:24:38] <Kodos> It
even does fluids!
<Kodos> It
even does fluids!L609[20:31:24] <Izaya> https://0x0.st/z8KF.png
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L612[20:46:59] <AmandaC> %choose heads or
tails
L613[20:46:59] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Why not
both?
L614[20:47:29] <AmandaC> Why do you do
this to me, MichiBot ?
L615[20:48:28] <AmandaC> %choose finish
the unnamed bunny replacement or don't right now
L616[20:48:28] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Once
you get a taste of finish the unnamed bunny replacement you can't
stop.
L617[20:48:37] <AmandaC> Okay
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L619[21:01:30] <AmandaC> Right, that's a
no. SE lost my progress again, and I'm not redoing it all in this
state of mind
L620[21:06:26] <AmandaC> They really don't
seem to test SE while steam is offline or in offline mode
L621[21:07:26] <AmandaC> Tomorrow night
I'll be home and can play on my gaming rig instead of kidnapping my
sister's laptop
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