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L1[00:00:07] ⇨ Joins: Michiyo (Michiyo!~Michiyo@2607:5300:60:9e85::2bad:babe)
L2[00:00:07] zsh sets mode: +o on Michiyo
L3[00:00:12] <Izaya> you'd be more at home on loonix then
L4[00:00:14] <Izaya> until you tried to run edit, anyway
L5[00:00:17] <Izaya> and then
L6[00:00:18] <Izaya> ?
L7[00:00:29] <Mimiru> Also... I keep getting "Trying to sign in on another computer" alerts from google on my phone
L8[00:00:37] <Mimiru> I've changed my password and they keep coming..
L9[00:00:39] <Mimiru> :/
L10[00:00:50] <Kleadron> ooh can i try too
L11[00:03:02] <Mimiru> It's seriously starting to get to me..
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L13[01:08:09] <Forecaster> I should alias "untonk" to tonkout :P
L14[01:13:45] <Wattana Gaming> I think the GNOME desktop environment hates me
L15[01:14:02] <Wattana Gaming> it crashes every time i try to take a screenshot
L16[01:15:20] <Forecaster> maybe it's just shy
L17[01:16:34] <Wattana Gaming> Think I'm gonna feels depressed until the bug was fixed. damn that was my favorite desktop environment.
L18[01:39:29] <Izaya> obligatory anti-GNOME posting goes here
L19[02:08:03] <BrainStone> %tonk
L20[02:08:04] <MichiBot> Dogast! BrainStone! You beat Mimiru's previous record of 59 minutes and 52 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L21[02:08:06] <MichiBot> BrainStone's new record is 2 hours, 11 minutes and 47 seconds! 1 hour, 11 minutes and 55 seconds gained!
L22[02:54:31] <Forecaster> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/01/russia-tries-to-force-facebook-and-twitter-to-relocate-servers-to-russia/
L23[04:28:59] <Forecaster> "having trouble enforcing it" no kidding
L24[05:02:05] <payonel> %tonk
L25[05:02:06] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! payonel! You beat BrainStone's previous record of 2 hours, 11 minutes and 47 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L26[05:02:07] <MichiBot> payonel's new record is 2 hours, 54 minutes and 1 second! 42 minutes and 13 seconds gained!
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L29[05:21:43] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L30[05:21:44] * MichiBot pets AmandaC with meth. 5 health gained!
L31[05:23:13] <Inari> Prime example of not trusting YT channels
L32[05:23:57] <Inari> I don't know much about history, I've watched a bit of Extra History, and I figured it'd be fairly accurate, they made a "lies" video at the end of some series, explaining some events in more complex ways that they glossed over or such in the actaul series to make it flow better and the like, and that was fine.
L33[05:24:30] <Inari> Now I watched the quantum computing series and while I'm not an expert I know a thing or two about it, and they got some things so badly wrong - with no "Lies" vidoe even at the end...
L34[05:24:36] <Inari> Makes me wonder how accurate those history vids were
L35[05:44:22] <AmandaC> Inari: ISTR that vex mentioned that they were way over-simplifying the quantum series
L36[05:44:38] <Inari> Not just simplifying
L37[05:44:40] <Inari> Flat out wrong
L38[05:44:40] <Inari> :p
L39[05:49:46] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krS2swLoQhw ~
L40[05:49:46] <MichiBot> I'll Make a Man Out of You: Official Multi-Language Version | length: 3m 14s | Likes: 442 Dislikes: 18 Views: 30,815 | by DRFMiscVideos | Published On 12/7/2016
L41[05:50:35] <Inari> AmandaC: Like, they say in entanglement, if you change the spin of one particle, that of the entangled one changes too. And that theres research to use it for FTL communication :f
L42[05:55:20] <payonel> Inari: to be fair, life would be a million times more interesting if that were true
L43[05:55:49] <Inari> payonel: How would it affect nature?
L44[05:56:49] <payonel> i honestly don't know hardly enough to know the right answer to that question, but that's a really interesting thing to hypothesize
L45[05:57:56] <Inari> I don't know how much entanglement happens in nature
L46[05:58:07] <Inari> Though there was that theory that time only exists because of entanglement? Or something
L47[05:58:13] <payonel> oh i think it happens all the time
L48[05:58:45] <Inari> https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24473-entangled-toy-universe-shows-time-may-be-an-illusion/ that, but I still haven't ever heard a follow-up of that
L49[05:59:57] <MGR> There's a theory that superconductance is caused by entanglement
L50[06:07:10] <Temia> So Douglas Adams was right this entire time?
L51[06:07:35] <Ben> douglas adams IS right if time doesnt exist
L52[06:07:54] <Temia> Touché
L53[06:09:45] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8p0BxMykqg ~
L54[06:09:46] <MichiBot> Ilona - Un monde parfait | length: 3m 20s | Likes: 93,933 Dislikes: 15,278 Views: 42,409,891 | by Ilona Officiel | Published On 8/6/2011
L55[06:09:59] <Izaya> unusual for douglas adams to be wrong
L56[06:10:14] <AmandaC> Except for the whole 42 thing
L57[06:10:24] <AmandaC> It's actually 41.9 repeating
L58[06:11:08] <Izaya> oh shit
L59[06:13:16] <Forecaster> an integer sounds nicer in a book though :P
L60[06:27:11] <Forecaster> http://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/
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L62[07:06:04] <payonel> %tonkout
L63[07:06:05] <MichiBot> payonel has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! Current score: 0.002
L64[07:09:17] <Forecaster> \o/
L65[07:09:19] <Forecaster> %tonk
L66[07:09:21] <MichiBot> Voldemort! Forecaster! You beat payonel's previous record of <0! I hope you're happy!
L67[07:09:22] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 minutes and 14 seconds! 3 minutes and 14 seconds gained!
L68[07:13:08] <ZefTheFox> %tonk
L69[07:13:08] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! ZefTheFox! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 3 minutes and 14 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L70[07:13:09] <MichiBot> ZefTheFox's new record is 3 minutes and 48 seconds! 33 seconds gained!
L71[07:14:03] <Izaya> Voldemort?
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L73[07:25:57] <ZefTheFox> %tonk
L74[07:25:58] <MichiBot> Dogast! ZefTheFox! You beat your own previous record of 3 minutes and 48 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L75[07:25:59] <MichiBot> ZefTheFox's new record is 12 minutes and 49 seconds! 9 minutes and 1 second gained!
L76[07:38:12] <Forecaster> Izaya: you-know-who
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L79[07:53:49] <Forecaster> https://www.facebook.com/amazingbeautifuthing/videos/359884758157102/
L80[07:53:56] <Forecaster> Birb and puppy
L81[07:57:59] <ZefTheFox> http://randomfox.ca/images/117.jpg
L82[07:58:02] <ZefTheFox> Fox
L83[07:59:07] <ZefTheFox> %tonk
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L85[07:59:21] <ZefTheFox> I plead not guilty
L86[08:15:33] <stephan48> %tonk
L87[08:15:45] <Inari> Tink
L88[08:16:00] <stephan48> mh ;)
L89[08:16:11] <stephan48> oh! Zef was quicker than me
L90[08:16:13] <ZefTheFox> Michi is dead
L91[08:16:19] <stephan48> i did not see that at first
L92[08:16:33] <ZefTheFox> It's like *literally* right there
L93[08:17:44] <stephan48> yup.
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L95[08:22:51] zsh sets mode: +v on MichiBot
L96[08:24:15] <ZefTheFox> Back from the dead!
L97[08:24:51] <ZefTheFox> I forgot how loud my computer is idle
L98[08:27:20] <stephan48> %tonk
L99[08:27:20] <MichiBot> Dagnammit! stephan48! You beat ZefTheFox's previous record of 12 minutes and 49 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L100[08:27:21] <MichiBot> stephan48's new record is 1 hour, 1 minute and 22 seconds! 48 minutes and 32 seconds gained!
L101[08:29:11] <ZefTheFox> Thanks
L102[08:29:47] <ZefTheFox> You absolutely [rude phrase]
L103[08:30:01] <stephan48> wb! btw.
L104[08:30:49] <stephan48> %tonkout :)
L105[08:30:50] <MichiBot> stephan48 has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.001 tonk points! Current score: 0.001
L106[08:33:08] <ZefTheFox> %tonk
L107[08:33:10] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! ZefTheFox! You beat stephan48's previous record of <0! I hope you're happy!
L108[08:33:11] <MichiBot> ZefTheFox's new record is 2 minutes and 18 seconds! 2 minutes and 18 seconds gained!
L109[08:46:41] <TheFox> %tonk
L110[08:46:43] <MichiBot> Dagnabbit! TheFox! You beat ZefTheFox's previous record of 2 minutes and 18 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L111[08:46:44] <MichiBot> TheFox's new record is 13 minutes and 32 seconds! 11 minutes and 13 seconds gained!
L112[09:05:38] <ZefTheFox> %tonk
L113[09:05:40] <MichiBot> Gadsbudlikins! ZefTheFox! You beat TheFox's previous record of 13 minutes and 32 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L114[09:05:41] <MichiBot> ZefTheFox's new record is 18 minutes and 57 seconds! 5 minutes and 25 seconds gained!
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L116[09:12:23] <ZefTheFox> I just *love* windows 10
L117[09:12:36] <ZefTheFox> It corrupted itself over nothing
L118[09:15:32] <Inari> How so?
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L120[09:16:31] <ZefTheFox> The windows mr home stopped working
L121[09:16:39] <ZefTheFox> Like it won't start up properly
L122[09:16:47] <ZefTheFox> Even though I literally used it yesterday
L123[09:33:25] <JeranRyvoan> Mine rebooted yesterday to install an update and threw itself into recovery mode, was super excited about that
L124[09:33:25] <TheFox> My home? Some IoT center or something?
L125[09:50:04] <ZefTheFox> No it's wmr proprietary start area
L126[09:50:16] <ZefTheFox> From there I launch steamvr then can do games and stuff
L127[09:50:42] <ZefTheFox> I found what the issue is "The device Lenovo Explorer is offline due to a user-mode driver crash."
L128[09:50:58] <ZefTheFox> Which means I need to contact Microsoft/update drivers
L129[09:51:14] <ZefTheFox> Which I can't do because I don't fucking have internet
L130[09:51:28] <ZefTheFox> And I wanted to use my headset to pass the fucking time
L131[09:53:47] <JeranRyvoan> I mean you could still wear the headset @ZefTheFox
L132[09:53:59] <ZefTheFox> Real funny
L133[09:54:12] <JeranRyvoan> I'm thinking of going on tour, thanks
L134[09:55:46] <Izaya> Zef: still gonna see if you can make it do anything on loonix for me?
L135[09:55:49] <Izaya> :D
L136[09:56:51] <Inari> Blender 2.8 looks quite shiny
L137[09:57:47] <Izaya> still haven't given it a proper go
L138[09:57:51] <ZefTheFox> Like I can install linux at all
L139[09:58:00] <ZefTheFox> *I've got no internet remember*
L140[09:58:05] <Izaya> well not now of course
L141[09:58:08] <Izaya> but eventually
L142[09:59:00] <ZefTheFox> Added it to my list
L143[09:59:01] <ZefTheFox> http://tinyurl.com/ydbv43cn
L144[09:59:21] <Izaya> :D
L145[09:59:24] * Izaya also has a list
L146[09:59:35] <ZefTheFox> I'm being hopeful in setting the date for the 31st
L147[09:59:52] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/bOyIW7m.png
L148[10:00:18] <ZefTheFox> It helps with adhd a little
L149[10:00:28] * Izaya nods
L150[10:00:39] <Izaya> That makes sense.
L151[10:01:06] <ZefTheFox> Well I'm out of shit to do
L152[10:01:19] <ZefTheFox> Not having internet sucks, it's been like 2 weeks
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L154[10:01:49] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L155[10:02:06] <Izaya> Time to read some books?
L156[10:02:29] <ZefTheFox> I think of stuff I wanna try and then remember oh wait that needs internet
L157[10:02:36] <ZefTheFox> I don't have any books
L158[10:02:49] <ZefTheFox> And my library is like a 30 minute walk through this snow
L159[10:03:10] <Izaya> grab some off libgen?
L160[10:04:35] <ZefTheFox> libgen?
L161[10:05:53] <Izaya> http://gen.lib.rus.ec/
L162[10:08:11] <ZefTheFox> Wow
L163[10:08:18] <ZefTheFox> Like 5mb for a book
L164[10:08:28] <ZefTheFox> 34 minutes estimate
L165[10:08:37] <Izaya> impressive
L166[10:09:17] <ZefTheFox> I don't think my parents are even attempted to pay the internet bill
L167[10:09:36] <ZefTheFox> They found some sketchy hotspot that lets them connect and watch movies
L168[10:19:43] <Izaya> https://b2p.sergal.org/media_attachments/files/000/916/580/original/5c19c679c5f7552c.jpg
L169[10:20:46] <TheFox> LMAO
L170[10:32:40] <ZefTheFox> Lol
L171[10:36:27] <ZefTheFox> Yay
L172[10:36:34] <ZefTheFox> The fucking headset still doesn't work
L173[10:46:04] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/309529094452936705/537672719127543819/50508746_2095797130510822_710946494852628480_n.png
L174[10:46:31] <Izaya> you can totally do it
L175[10:46:35] <Izaya> wait
L176[10:46:37] <Izaya> fuck
L177[10:48:02] <Skye> evil
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L180[12:02:09] <Forecaster> one hold fulla ore http://tinyurl.com/ybpynry9
L181[12:02:31] <Izaya> almost
L182[12:02:34] <Izaya> almost full of ore
L183[12:02:55] <Forecaster> sssh
L184[12:03:05] <Forecaster> it's as full as it got when the drones stopped mining
L185[12:11:05] <payonel> %tonk
L186[12:11:05] <MichiBot> Waesucks! payonel! You beat ZefTheFox's previous record of 18 minutes and 57 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L187[12:11:06] <MichiBot> payonel's new record is 3 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds! 2 hours, 46 minutes and 27 seconds gained!
L188[12:13:19] <ZefTheFox> >:
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L192[13:27:30] <Michiyo> Holy. Fuck...
L193[13:27:36] <Michiyo> Kenny just forked LanteaCraft
L194[13:28:20] <Michiyo> Well, atleast now we know he's alive.
L195[13:28:22] <Michiyo> :D
L196[13:28:36] <Forecaster> my god, it's full of git!
L197[13:37:11] <Z0idburg> LanteaCraft?
L198[13:38:20] <Izaya> Kenny?
L199[13:38:24] <Izaya> Well damn.
L200[13:40:33] <Saphire> Mow
L201[13:40:58] <Kleadron> who is kenny
L202[13:44:20] <Z0idburg> STOP LYING WINDOWS
L203[13:44:31] <Z0idburg> this windows computer I got, I don't get it
L204[13:44:44] <Z0idburg> I just got a popup message that says "You have a message on your phone"
L205[13:44:51] <Z0idburg> That makes... no sense at all?
L206[13:47:01] <Izaya> tfw Windows can't do KDE Connect
L207[13:47:11] <Izaya> I should try Plasma again.
L208[13:58:31] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L209[13:58:31] <MichiBot> I'm sorry CompanionCube, you were not able to beat payonel's record of 3 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds this time.
L210[13:58:32] <MichiBot> 1 hour, 47 minutes and 25 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 17 minutes and 59 seconds!
L211[13:59:10] <Forecaster> This is pretty neat
L212[13:59:11] <Forecaster> https://youtu.be/5GNUc_fMGaM
L213[13:59:12] <MichiBot> Last Oasis - Steam Announcement Trailer | length: 2m 37s | Likes: 112 Dislikes: 7 Views: 1,258 | by Last Oasis | Published On 23/1/2019
L214[13:59:26] <Forecaster> I need to have these in my D&D campaign...
L215[14:06:21] <Inari> I wonder how that works with logging out
L216[14:06:28] <Kleadron> http://tinyurl.com/y8cayal3
L217[14:07:00] <Forecaster> what is that supposed to be
L218[14:08:42] <Kleadron> taquito
L219[14:09:03] <Inari> tuquoata
L220[14:10:34] <ZefTheFox> I can't do shit without internet
L221[14:10:45] <ZefTheFox> My wmr headset isn't working anymore
L222[14:10:57] <ZefTheFox> All the results say "reinstall drivers"
L223[14:18:17] <Michiyo> @Z0idburg LanteaCraft is my stargate mod that died in 1.7.10
L224[14:18:39] <Michiyo> @Kleadron who is Kenny? Old mod, left in a fit it's all in the logs.
L225[14:18:48] <Michiyo> s/mod/OP/
L226[14:18:49] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> @Kleadron who is Kenny? Old OP, left in a fit it's all in the logs.
L227[14:19:20] <Kleadron> IM TRYING TO PLAY SPACE CADET PINBALL
L228[14:19:51] <Forecaster> %seen kenny
L229[14:19:53] <MichiBot> kenny was last seen 520d 21h 49m 26s ago. anyone here
L230[14:20:46] <Kleadron> ok
L231[14:21:38] <Bob> ?
L232[14:22:21] <Michiyo> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/view.php?chan=oc&log=2014-06-20.log#L192 somehwere here I think
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L234[14:36:59] <trainfan91> hi, im looking for a gui os, any1 know of 1 4 opencomputers?
L235[14:37:22] <Izaya> there are at least two
L236[14:37:48] <Forecaster> 1 2 can write with numbers for no reason!
L237[14:37:53] <Izaya> There's MineOS (check the forum, requires powerful hardware) and KittenOS NEO ( https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS ) which will run on a T1 shitbox
L238[14:38:10] <vifino> ohi Izaya
L239[14:38:14] <Izaya> ey
L240[14:38:16] <Izaya> how goes it
L241[14:38:32] <vifino> fine, i guess.
L242[14:38:34] <vifino> you?
L243[14:38:58] <Izaya> my eyes are on fire and my phone is dying from having to encrypt each message like 40 times
L244[14:39:52] <Izaya> but such are early mornings and end-to-end encryption
L245[14:40:27] <trainfan91> how do i install kitten os?
L246[14:40:42] <Inari> Why 40 times
L247[14:40:54] <Izaya> Inari: 15 users with like 2.5 devices each
L248[14:41:16] <Izaya> trainfan91: go to the Releases page, download the inst.lua to a fresh hard drive or floppy drive as init.lua, and boot up a computer with it
L249[14:42:20] <vifino> man, usb is incredibly boring. even the short spec summary.
L250[14:42:36] <vifino> all this and i'll get knowledge of USB 1.1.
L251[14:42:43] <Izaya> vifino: for something more fun, look into ACCESS.bus
L252[14:43:10] <trainfan91> can u pm me the link pls?
L253[14:43:12] <vifino> then i'll have to understand the differences between that and USB 2.0.. and then i can look into USB Type-C's USB 2.0 bus.
L254[14:43:28] <Izaya> https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/releases
L255[14:43:57] <vifino> Izaya: "MS Word format" no thanks
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L257[14:44:17] <Izaya> hah fair
L258[14:44:46] <vifino> i'm reading up on usb so i can implement the device hardware part.
L259[14:44:58] <Izaya> FPGA funtimes?
L260[14:45:01] <vifino> luckily, the stm32f0 will do most work for me.
L261[14:45:13] <vifino> nope, just microcontrollers.
L262[14:45:35] <vifino> i want a USB CAN adapter. but they all suck.
L263[14:45:45] <Izaya> (fwiw, ACCESS.bus basically defines some physical connectors and basic protocols for I2C)
L264[14:45:56] <vifino> either terribly expensive, terrible or not delivering outside the USA.
L265[14:46:19] <vifino> Izaya: aaaaa burn that
L266[14:46:28] <Izaya> iunno I think it's neat
L267[14:46:38] <Izaya> lots of stuff implements I2C
L268[14:46:44] <Inari> I2C is neat
L269[14:47:08] <Izaya> something like ACCESS.bus would provide a cheap way to connect them to a host
L270[14:47:10] <vifino> physical connectors for something that can't* go more than a few decimeters?
L271[14:47:15] <Inari> I still want an ICEcube stick thingy for FPGA experiments, but I can't find a good source
L272[14:47:23] <Izaya> vifino: *
L273[14:47:23] <Inari> And I don't wanna pay like 20 euros of shipping for 20 euros of product
L274[14:47:38] <Skye> I need to finish my 68k breadboard computer
L275[14:47:44] <vifino> Inari: get a TinyFPGA BX or an iCEbreaker.
L276[14:47:56] <vifino> i know both the people who made those boards and they rock.
L277[14:48:39] <Inari> I just know icecube has been recommended to me because it actaully has a decent manufacturer support
L278[14:48:46] <Inari> i..e you can actually figure out how to talk to the thing and such
L279[14:49:04] <vifino> icecube isn't actually what you want.
L280[14:49:15] <vifino> you want icestorm. the open source reverse engineering effort.
L281[14:49:32] <Inari> I mean, I don't really care if it isn't open source (for the time being) if it works xD
L282[14:49:51] <vifino> no weird gui, just a text editor, yosys, nextpnr-ice40 and icestorm.
L283[14:50:05] <vifino> fast compile times!11
L284[14:50:17] <Inari> And does it fully work?
L285[14:50:23] <vifino> hell yeah
L286[14:50:30] <vifino> i've driven a huge led matrix with it.
L287[14:50:50] <Inari> Mostly just looking into FPGAs to use them to replicate custom ICs, since those aren't a thing yet
L288[14:50:51] <Inari> :<
L289[14:51:10] <vifino> that's.. that's what they are for, Inari.
L290[14:51:26] <vifino> that's *exactly* what they are for.
L291[14:51:35] <Inari> Neat
L292[14:52:30] <Inari> What do you use to program them using icestorm?
L293[14:52:32] <vifino> anyhow. CAN. CAN is great. my adapter board will have Type-C, linux native SocketCAN support and galvanically isolated JST GH 4-pin CAN ports.
L294[14:53:05] <vifino> Inari: literally listed that for you. text editor, yosys, nextpnr-ice40 and icestorm.
L295[14:53:17] <Inari> Yeah but like
L296[14:53:19] <Inari> What language
L297[14:53:23] <vifino> verilog.
L298[14:53:31] <Inari> Good
L299[14:53:46] <vifino> there really aren't any alternatives, so..
L300[14:53:57] <vifino> VHDL sucks ass.
L301[14:54:00] <Inari> On to making my own SNES-level game console!
L302[14:54:16] <vifino> uhm.
L303[14:54:31] <Inari> Though thats more of a long-term thing. the more immediate idea is to make a Shenzhen I/O processor
L304[14:54:37] <vifino> you do know that a "SNES-level game console" is really complicated?
L305[14:54:42] <Inari> Sure
L306[14:54:57] <Inari> It can't be /that/ hard :P
L307[14:55:02] <vifino> you're gonna need a whole lot more ice40's..
L308[14:55:20] <Inari> Well, first I need to figure them out anyway
L309[14:55:25] <Temia> Even with a Propeller running VDP/audio, at best you're getting, like, SMS quality
L310[14:55:48] <Skye> isn't the main liminitation RAM or something
L311[14:55:52] <Inari> Well, it ain't a replacement for custom ICs if it can't do what a custom IC could do!
L312[14:56:04] <ZefTheFox> An 8088 tho
L313[14:56:20] <vifino> Skye: LUTs, fMAX, RAM, ... everything.
L314[14:56:29] <t20kdc> It depends what you're doing.
L315[14:56:31] <Skye> I've read up on someone being able to cheat and make a retro GPU using some standard ICs and a lot of RAM.
L316[14:56:45] <vifino> t20kdc!
L317[14:56:46] <ZefTheFox> Ouch
L318[14:56:49] * vifino waves
L319[14:56:54] <Skye> as in an order of magnitude more static ram than a GPU of those times would use
L320[14:57:04] <t20kdc> Like, you could implement a ZX Spectrum's ULA... and probably everything else, come to think of it,
L321[14:57:07] <t20kdc> in a modern FPGA
L322[14:57:23] <vifino> (so no ice40)
L323[14:57:26] <t20kdc> pretty sure the ice40 has the RAM at least
L324[14:57:29] <Skye> you'd just need some of those programmable logic thingies for that :P
L325[14:57:33] <Inari> Then some other FPGA
L326[14:57:33] <Skye> PLA?
L327[14:57:37] <t20kdc> your CPU might have to cheat a little with microcode
L328[14:57:48] * Skye screams at the idea of a Z80
L329[14:57:49] <Skye> OH NO
L330[14:57:50] <Inari> cheat how/why?
L331[14:57:52] <Skye> NONONONO
L332[14:57:59] <t20kdc> Inari: To save on logic ; hang on need to just...
L333[14:58:01] <Skye> NOT THE Z80 D:
L334[14:58:04] <t20kdc> Skye: Stop having war flashbacks.
L335[14:58:17] <Kleadron> intel pentium
L336[14:58:19] <t20kdc> I know that one project went badly...
L337[14:58:20] <Skye> IIRC the Z80 was also entirely static
L338[14:58:20] <Inari> t20kdc: Nah, why would it need to :p
L339[14:58:27] <Izaya> bugger the Z80, implement a J1
L340[14:58:36] * vifino stabs Izaya
L341[14:58:45] <Izaya> tfw
L342[14:58:47] * t20kdc aims nuclear warhead at vifino
L343[14:58:49] <Inari> But yeah
L344[14:58:57] <Inari> Either FPGAs can do that, or the custom-IC replacement is a lie
L345[14:59:09] * Izaya aims crossbow at t20kdc
L346[14:59:10] * vifino yells "Bite me!" at t20kdc and runs around
L347[14:59:16] <Skye> well it's more like there's different complexities of ICs
L348[14:59:17] <t20kdc> Dammit vifino YOU BROKE THE TRIANGLE
L349[14:59:24] * t20kdc runs after vifino
L350[14:59:28] <Skye> like a simple IC is easy to replicate
L351[14:59:36] <Skye> more complex ICs need more powerful FPGAs
L352[14:59:40] <Inari> And I seek to make a CPU and GPU
L353[14:59:43] <Inari> Sure
L354[14:59:52] * vifino hides in a barrel and thinks about CAN some more
L355[14:59:56] <Inari> Not saying the lowest FPGAs can do everything
L356[14:59:57] <t20kdc> AND ANYWAY J1 IS BETTER THAN Z80
L357[14:59:59] <Izaya> I read an article about using genetic algos to design FPGA (ULA?) layouts
L358[15:00:02] <t20kdc> ...do excuse my caps
L359[15:00:15] <Izaya> IIRC rather than actually making sense they exploited the physical imperfections in the chips
L360[15:00:16] <Inari> Not saying ice40 is enough either
L361[15:00:24] <Inari> It's just a starting point to mess around with FPGAs and get a feel
L362[15:00:48] <Inari> Izaya: Sounds like they didn't set the rules well enough :D
L363[15:00:49] <vifino> that's correct.
L364[15:01:03] <Inari> Wasn't there something
L365[15:01:12] <Skye> maybe get a 68k and connect the FPGA to it as all the glue logic
L366[15:01:17] <t20kdc> I think an ice40 would be capable of handling a ZX Spectrum
L367[15:01:19] <Inari> Where some algorithm was tasked with designing an oscillator or something like that
L368[15:01:30] <Inari> And it ended up designing basically an antenna that picked up the nearby PC nosie
L369[15:01:44] <Izaya> Inari: well when you load random data into an FPGA and then pick the best few and randomly smash them together you probably won't get logic, just chance
L370[15:01:50] <Inari> t20kdc: Was thinking more of SNES or DS (but 2D at first) levels
L371[15:01:59] <t20kdc> Ha. Ha. Ha.
L372[15:02:09] <Izaya> now does this remind you of anything
L373[15:02:14] <Inari> Izaya: You can work around it
L374[15:02:30] <Inari> Izaya: load the same thing into multiple FPGAs to make it harder to fit physical imperfections
L375[15:02:46] <Izaya> that's a solid way to do it
L376[15:02:50] <vifino> ... you are aware that ice40's are on the very low end of fpgas?
L377[15:02:52] <Skye> I think the idea was for science
L378[15:02:59] <Izaya> requires more FPGAs but it'd probably work
L379[15:03:21] <Inari> vifino: As I've said, I don't necessarily expect the ice40 to do it, it's just a starting point to get familiar with FPGAs. Plus it'll probably be enough for the Shenzhen idea
L380[15:03:48] <t20kdc> I still think an ice40 would probably turn out to be good enough for a ZX Spectrum, but again, you'd have to cheat for the microcode
L381[15:04:16] <Inari> But I'm not interesting in a ZX Spectrum. In the first place, I'm nto seeking to make a consoel that exists, but build my own
L382[15:04:24] <Inari> *not interested in
L383[15:04:41] <t20kdc> ...well, in which case, that's the level you'd... probably want to try aiming for if you want reasonable results
L384[15:04:49] <t20kdc> Commodore 64 maybe
L385[15:04:58] <t20kdc> but RAM'd be an issue them
L386[15:05:00] <t20kdc> *then
L387[15:05:08] <Inari> Reasonable results regarding what?
L388[15:05:12] <Inari> What an ice40 can achieve?
L389[15:05:17] <t20kdc> yup
L390[15:05:29] <Inari> Sure, but again, I won't necessarily be even using that
L391[15:06:20] <Skye> t20kdc, does Z80 have microcode even
L392[15:06:32] <t20kdc> Skye: If it doesn't, you'd have to add it
L393[15:06:39] <Inari> Anyway
L394[15:06:44] <Inari> It just seems like an interesting project
L395[15:06:54] <Izaya> microcode considered mediocre
L396[15:06:57] <Izaya> hardwired or bust
L397[15:07:07] <Inari> But I'd want some good enough result out fo it to put in the effort
L398[15:07:12] <Inari> And that means something like DS or SNES
L399[15:07:16] <Inari> Or gameboy
L400[15:07:50] <Inari> But preferably the advance/colour, not the original
L401[15:10:16] <vifino> what's wrong with the original :<
L402[15:11:09] * vifino hugs his very custom backlit ProSounded recapped neon-green DMG
L403[15:11:53] <vifino> signed by chiptune friends~
L404[15:12:28] <CompanionCube> Skye: https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1087691731095699456
L405[15:12:29] <MichiBot> Tue Jan 22 06:41:31 CST 2019 @DKShrewsbury: Any attempts by Remainer MPs to delay or obstruct #Brexit must be opposed. Today I have formally asked Polish Gover… <https://t.co/VDt1Sl6UKm&gt;
L406[15:12:49] <CompanionCube> 'Today I have formally asked Polish Government to veto any motions by EU to allow extension of Article 50.'
L407[15:12:53] <CompanionCube> taking back control my fucking arse
L408[15:13:47] <Izaya> >connected to 6193/5555 known instances.
L409[15:13:51] <Izaya> wut
L410[15:18:09] <Inari> Izaya: It's more precise than writing 1.1149 instances
L411[15:18:27] <Izaya> sure but
L412[15:18:29] <Izaya> ???
L413[15:18:31] <Inari> vifino: Too low tier :p
L414[15:18:56] <Skye> CompanionCube, it's not like the UK could unilaterally revoke... wiat a second
L415[15:20:38] <vifino> Inari: do you even know how complicated a gameboy is?
L416[15:21:07] <vifino> you're talking to someone who actually programmed FPGAs..
L417[15:21:33] <Inari> vifino: Dunno, but I feel like part of the complexity comes from trying to keep costs down and dealing with the performance capabilities of the time it was designed in
L418[15:21:48] <vifino> not really.
L419[15:22:10] <Inari> vifino: But the result wouldn't be worth the effort with it
L420[15:22:53] <vifino> i disagree. if i would agree, then none of the proposed reimplemented systems would be worth it.
L421[15:23:24] <Inari> Well, I'd want something as a result that I feel like was wroth it, if it doesn't even do colour, i don't feel like that woudl be the case
L422[15:23:33] <Inari> "reimplemented systems"?
L423[15:24:15] <vifino> if your metric is fancy graphics, look into OpenGL...
L424[15:24:28] <vifino> yes. reimplemented systems. because it's not emulation.
L425[15:24:36] <Inari> But I don't want to make a literal gameboy
L426[15:24:48] <Inari> Just something that has about the same level of graphical capability
L427[15:25:09] <vifino> whatever. good luck. you'll need it.
L428[15:25:12] <Inari> :p
L429[15:25:30] <Inari> Will probably never get around to it anyway, too mnay others things to do
L430[15:26:23] <vifino> almost as if you're setting a goal unarchivable for you...
L431[15:26:53] <Inari> I mean, it'll be a lot of effort either way
L432[15:27:04] <vifino> s/archiv/reason/
L433[15:27:05] <MichiBot> <vifino> almost as if you're setting a goal unreasonable for you...
L434[15:27:07] <Inari> So if I don't feel like the result I'd get wouldd be something I feel good about, why would I put in the effort
L435[15:27:23] <Temia> I feel this needs posting in response to the link: https://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-downsbravo.gif
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L437[15:28:06] <vifino> ohi Temia!
L438[15:28:20] <Inari> I don't feel like some simple 480p 2d graphics are super unreasonable personally
L439[15:28:51] <Lizzy> %tonk
L440[15:28:52] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Lizzy, you were not able to beat payonel's record of 3 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds this time.
L441[15:28:53] <MichiBot> 1 hour, 30 minutes and 20 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 35 minutes and 5 seconds!
L442[15:28:59] <Lizzy> oh
L443[15:29:23] <vifino> Inari: displayed *where*? HDMI is complicated. Getting more than a few bits out of VGA is too.
L444[15:29:37] <Inari> vifino: The display I attach to it
L445[15:29:43] <vifino> MIPI DSI and DisplayPort isn't any better.
L446[15:30:05] <Inari> So, whatever taht display wants
L447[15:30:06] <vifino> Lizzy!!
L448[15:30:39] <Stary> oh irc exists
L449[15:30:41] <Stary> right
L450[15:30:47] <Inari> Actually
L451[15:30:47] <vifino> wew
L452[15:30:48] <Izaya> man everyone's appearing at once
L453[15:30:53] <Inari> I never looked into the protocols those colour displays use
L454[15:30:53] <vifino> ikr
L455[15:30:55] <Inari> Lets check that out
L456[15:30:58] <Izaya> even kenny is back
L457[15:31:01] <Izaya> on github, anyway
L458[15:31:06] <vifino> wait what
L459[15:32:31] <Inari> Apparently it eats 8 bits at a time
L460[15:33:04] <Stary> vifino, https://blackmesalabs.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/bml-hdmi-video-for-fpgas-over-pmod/ these will probably come out via 1bitsquared eventually
L461[15:33:26] <Inari> To be fair
L462[15:33:26] <vifino> Stary: i know, but hdmi is hard
L463[15:33:31] <Inari> I'd proabbly not try to implement HDMI myself
L464[15:33:43] <Stary> yes but that uses some ti chip that makes hdmi not hard
L465[15:33:48] <Inari> But i want an integrated display anyway
L466[15:33:51] <Inari> Seems simpler
L467[15:33:54] <Stary> you literally give it a clock and pixel data
L468[15:34:17] <Inari> Stary: Will a Rolex do?
L469[15:34:35] <vifino> Stary: shh
L470[15:35:15] <Stary> oh, the interface it provides is basically vga
L471[15:35:38] <Lizzy> vifino!!
L472[15:35:40] <Stary> with some amount of digital pins for r/g/b instead of analog
L473[15:35:52] * vifino hugs Lizzy
L474[15:36:05] * Lizzy hugs vifino
L475[15:36:16] <vifino> how are you doing?! :D
L476[15:36:17] * dequbed hugs Izaya
L477[15:36:43] <vifino> Stary: jesus ftdi ft600
L478[15:36:47] <vifino> why
L479[15:36:49] <vifino> WHY
L480[15:37:07] <vifino> WHY DO YOU NEED 5GBPS SERIAL
L481[15:37:15] <Lizzy> i am well, about to jump in the shower cause i feel grimy
L482[15:37:15] * Izaya returns hug
L483[15:37:24] <Stary> you mean
L484[15:37:30] <Stary> 5gbps 32bit-wide fifo
L485[15:37:33] <vifino> shhh
L486[15:37:35] <vifino> its serial
L487[15:37:50] <Stary> its just 32 serial connections at once right
L488[15:37:50] <Stary> :^)
L489[15:37:54] <vifino> ftdi only makes uart devices, Stary :^)
L490[15:38:01] <vifino> you got it :^)
L491[15:40:51] <Kleadron> we need 10 terrabit serial ports
L492[15:43:53] <vifino> don't tell that to ftdi
L493[15:43:56] <vifino> please
L494[16:05:53] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/bvmskd.webm
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L497[16:12:56] <vifino> Izaya: is that that perifractic guy?
L498[16:13:02] <vifino> or something like that
L499[16:13:44] <Izaya> from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVQga2MyfsI
L500[16:13:45] <MichiBot> What Happens if you Recycle My Computer? | Nostalgia Nerd | length: 9m 21s | Likes: 656 Dislikes: 34 Views: 6,177 | by Nostalgia Nerd | Published On 23/1/2019
L501[16:15:05] <ZefTheFox> A 9 **minute** video on that?
L502[16:15:33] * Lizzy returns from her shower, towels herself off then starts licking herself to get her kitty smell back
L503[16:16:12] <Kleadron> that is slightly disturbing
L504[16:19:40] <Skye> Hah
L505[16:24:07] <Forecaster> the video is a lot more in-depth than you'd think
L506[16:24:21] <ZefTheFox> Well I'd gladly watch it
L507[16:24:25] <ZefTheFox> But
L508[16:40:02] <CompanionCube> Skye: so on top of an MP lobbying a foreign government to take action to not touch the sacred brexit, we have mogg openly advocating for the temporary suspension of parliament if something he doesn't want to happen happens.
L509[16:44:36] <Skye> CompanionCube: that sounds like it could end very badly.
L510[16:46:31] <CompanionCube> Skye: indeed. But it's good for the idiots, bigots and malicious disaster capitalist bastards who who gives a fuck
L511[16:46:56] <Skye> How could they suspend parliament?
L512[16:47:07] <CompanionCube> same wau they do it for the recesses and elections
L513[16:47:16] <Skye> Ask the Queen?
L514[16:47:21] <CompanionCube> ywp
L515[16:47:29] <CompanionCube> then schedule the return date after the 29th
L516[16:47:35] <Skye> I have a suspicion the queen would not want to get involved in this
L517[16:47:37] <Skye> Like
L518[16:48:10] <Skye> There would be no way for her to appear neutral in this
L519[16:48:33] <CompanionCube> but she may not have the power of rejecting the PM's request
L520[16:48:45] <CompanionCube> if it does happen
L521[16:49:38] <Skye> Would there be any way for parliament to stop it?
L522[16:49:53] <Skye> Like a vote to say that the prime minister could not cause Parliament to recess
L523[16:50:13] <Skye> CompanionCube: sauce
L524[16:50:32] <Forecaster> %tonk
L525[16:50:33] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forecaster, you were not able to beat payonel's record of 3 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds this time.
L526[16:50:34] <MichiBot> 1 hour, 21 minutes and 40 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 43 minutes and 45 seconds!
L527[16:50:35] <CompanionCube> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-23/fox-warns-davos-no-deal-is-real-possibility-brexit-update
L528[16:50:40] <CompanionCube> 'Jacob Rees-Mogg, the chairman of the pro-Brexit European Research Group, said that if the Cooper-Boles attempt to delay Britain’s departure from the EU were to pass, the government should suspend Parliament -- using a process known as prorogation.'
L529[16:50:45] <Forecaster> Dang
L530[16:52:05] <Skye> Is may even likely to do that though
L531[16:52:11] <CompanionCube> fuck knows
L532[16:52:59] <Skye> It sounds like it could cause a constitutional crisis
L533[16:53:21] <CompanionCube> well yes
L534[16:53:40] <CompanionCube> the closest precedent can be found in the canadian parliament
L535[16:53:43] <Skye> What's the threshold of disaster needed to claim asylum in another country again?
L536[16:55:22] <CompanionCube> lol that's a nice fantasy
L537[16:56:30] <Skye> I hope I don't have to seriously consider it. :p
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L540[16:58:35] <Skye> But uh
L541[16:59:04] <Skye> Messing with parliament like that sounds like a surefire way to really fuck up British democracy
L542[16:59:07] <Skye> It has problems
L543[16:59:16] <Skye> But this would be driving a truck through it.
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L545[17:01:12] <CompanionCube> Skye: nah, driving a truck through it would be may invoking the civil contingencies act 2004
L546[17:01:19] <AmandaC> I'm increasingly convinced this is the time the illuminati is finally mobialising their many agents. :P
L547[17:01:23] <Skye> What's that?
L548[17:01:55] <CompanionCube> Skye: essentially if there's ever an emergency meeting it's criteria, the government gets to rule by decree for a short period
L549[17:01:59] <CompanionCube> (no, i'm not joking)
L550[17:02:28] <Skye> Would that involve the privy Council?
L551[17:02:39] <CompanionCube> either them or a minister.
L552[17:03:11] <CompanionCube> Skye: 'The second part of the Act provides that temporary emergency regulations are normally made by the Queen through Order in Council or by a Minister of the Crown if arranging for an Order in Council would not be possible without serious delay. '
L553[17:03:56] <Skye> Isn't the opposition in the privy Council though
L554[17:04:21] <CompanionCube> perhaps. How much faith do you have that they don't go straight to route #2?
L555[17:05:05] <Skye> Would that even be valid for brexit through... It wouldn't be in accordance with the democratic process?
L556[17:05:39] <CompanionCube> 'The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 repeals the Civil Defence Act 1948 and the Civil Defence Act (Northern Ireland) 1950. Part 1 of the Act establishes a new definition for “emergency”, which is broadly defined. The definition includes war or attack by a foreign power, which were defined as emergency under previous legislation, as well as terrorism which poses a threat of serious damage to the
L557[17:05:39] <CompanionCube> security of the United Kingdom and events which threaten serious damage to human welfare in a place in the United Kingdom or to the environment of a place in the United Kingdom. '
L558[17:06:12] <CompanionCube> the definition is sufficiently broad that it likely covers a particularly hard brexit - say, no deal?
L559[17:08:22] <Skye> It would be invoked just before a no deal, I guess.
L560[17:08:47] <Skye> Though I have a suspicion that it would be suicidal to the government
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L562[17:53:17] <vifino> brexit is already killing everything, so..
L563[18:05:57] <Skye> Goodnight
L564[18:07:03] <Kleadron> Brexit breaks-it! Vote Brexit for smash!
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L567[19:33:03] <Mimiru> %tonk
L568[19:33:04] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Mimiru, you were not able to beat payonel's record of 3 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds this time.
L569[19:33:05] <MichiBot> 2 hours, 42 minutes and 31 seconds were wasted! Missed by 22 minutes and 54 seconds!
L570[19:33:12] <Mimiru> damn!
L571[19:33:22] <vifino> oof.
L572[19:33:33] <Mimiru> I missed by 3 seconds a while back
L573[19:33:42] <Mimiru> which beat my previous record, of missing by 10 seconds
L574[19:33:44] <vifino> ouch.
L575[19:34:33] <vifino> i forgot i use just irssi now.
L576[19:35:30] <vifino> can't just type `echo '%tonk' | ii-pipeto esper #oc` to send stuff..
L577[21:01:52] <ZefTheFox> The conversation rate of yen to ohms is about 7Ω ≈ 2¥^2
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L583[23:23:55] <Mimiru> %tonk
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L585[23:23:59] <Mimiru> ...
L586[23:24:01] <Mimiru> great
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L589[23:24:43] <Mimiru> %tonk
L590[23:25:18] <MichiBot> Consarn it! Mimiru! You beat payonel's previous record of 3 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L591[23:25:19] <MichiBot> Mimiru's new record is 3 hours, 52 minutes and 13 seconds! 46 minutes and 47 seconds gained!
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