L1[00:22:55] 
<joaoadao>
hi
<joaoadao>
hiL2[00:23:11] <Kleadron>
avocado
<Kleadron>
avocadoL3[00:23:57] <joaoadao>
is possibel to make a internet server on oc?
<joaoadao>
is possibel to make a internet server on oc?L4[00:24:07] <Kleadron>
yes
<Kleadron>
yesL5[00:24:12] <Kleadron>
but i don't know how
<Kleadron>
but i don't know howL6[00:24:14] <Kleadron>
so don't ask me
<Kleadron>
so don't ask meL7[00:24:29] <joaoadao>
.....
<joaoadao>
.....L8[00:24:41] <Kleadron>
so don't ask me how [Edited]
<Kleadron>
so don't ask me how [Edited]L9[00:24:52] <joaoadao>
where is the point i sayd your name ?
<joaoadao>
where is the point i sayd your name ?L10[00:25:23] <Kleadron> .
^
<Kleadron> .
^L11[00:25:23] <Kleadron>
`your name`
<Kleadron>
`your name`L12[00:25:26] <Kleadron> .
^
<Kleadron> .
^L13[00:25:27] <Kleadron>
`your name` [Edited]
<Kleadron>
`your name` [Edited]L14[00:25:40] <joaoadao>
?
<joaoadao>
?L15[00:33:23] <Mimiru> Define: Internet
Server. Do you mean, a server that acts like a server on the
internet within minecraft? Or do you mean a server that is
accessible from the *ACTUAL* internet in minecraft?
L16[00:33:49] <CompanionCube> you can do
the former easily
L17[00:33:54] <Mimiru> ^
L18[00:34:14] <CompanionCube> the latter
can only be done with the assistance of a regular server
L19[00:34:26] <Mimiru> Or, the mod that I
will one day actually write.
L20[00:37:21] <joaoadao>
@Mimiru#0000 a computer that send internet for the network
<joaoadao>
@Mimiru#0000 a computer that send internet for the networkL21[00:38:18] <Mimiru> I'm not on Discord..
Well I am, but I'm not active on Discord.
L22[00:38:29] <Mimiru> So just Mimiru will
ping me
L23[00:40:18] <joaoadao>
so
<joaoadao>
soL24[00:40:23] <CompanionCube> 'send
internet'?
L25[00:40:30] <joaoadao>
yes
<joaoadao>
yesL26[00:40:51] <joaoadao> a
computer that acts like a modem
<joaoadao> a
computer that acts like a modemL27[00:41:24] <CompanionCube> what do you
want on the other end?
L28[00:43:02] <joaoadao> a
computer that receives the internet
<joaoadao> a
computer that receives the internetL29[00:43:08] <joaoadao>
?
<joaoadao>
?L30[00:43:52] <CompanionCube> you don't
need an *internet* card to send data between two ingame
computers
L31[00:45:16] <CompanionCube> ~w
modem
L32[00:45:16] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:modem
L33[00:45:25] <CompanionCube> is likely to
be of use for you
L34[00:50:33] *
Izaya has a thing to proxy HTTP requests over OC networks, so one
only needs one internet card for a local network
L35[00:50:36] <joaoadao>
uhhh that is a pain
<joaoadao>
uhhh that is a painL36[00:50:51] <joaoadao>
iil try
<joaoadao>
iil tryL37[00:51:05] <joaoadao>
if i dont crash the server is ok
<joaoadao>
if i dont crash the server is okL38[00:56:55] <CompanionCube> you shouldn't
be *able* to crash the server - ever.
L39[00:57:27] <joaoadao>
but computercraft is
<joaoadao>
but computercraft isL40[01:10:43] <Forecaster>
well computercraft is dumb, so there
<Forecaster>
well computercraft is dumb, so thereL41[01:15:15] <CompanionCube> didn't CC
patch all the exploits? (like the one with the string
metatable?0
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L45[02:32:59] <Wattana
Gaming> So I found these two user talking about something
http://tinyurl.com/yda6s4y3
<Wattana
Gaming> So I found these two user talking about something
http://tinyurl.com/yda6s4y3L46[02:33:11] <Wattana
Gaming> that's some hardcore debloat
<Wattana
Gaming> that's some hardcore debloatL47[02:33:47] ⇦
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L50[03:40:13] <Forecaster>
%tonk
<Forecaster>
%tonkL51[03:40:14] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle!
Forecaster! You beat Kodos's previous record of 4 hours, 31 minutes
and 25 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L52[03:40:15] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 4 hours, 38 minutes and 19 seconds! 6 minutes and 53
seconds gained!
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L54[03:53:27] zsh
sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L55[04:14:09] <Kodos>
nou
<Kodos>
nouL56[04:15:19] <Forecaster>
ye
<Forecaster>
yeL57[04:50:33] ⇦
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L60[05:16:53] <Rph>
#define ever (;;);
<Rph>
#define ever (;;);L61[05:16:53] <Rph> for
ever
<Rph> for
everL62[06:07:10] <Bob> for
ever do
<Bob> for
ever doL64[06:36:40] <MichiBot> Meeple Trailer
- December 2018 | length: 1m 44s | Likes: 16 Dislikes: 0
Views: 5,867 | by Cooped Up! | Published On
7/12/2018
L65[06:36:42] <Forecaster>
meeple
<Forecaster>
meepleL66[07:50:58] ⇨
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L67[07:51:17] <Forecaster>
This game looks strangely familiar...
<Forecaster>
This game looks strangely familiar...L68[07:52:20] ⇦
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L71[08:19:18] <BrainStone>
%tonk
<BrainStone>
%tonkL72[08:19:19] <MichiBot> By my throth!
BrainStone! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 4 hours, 38
minutes and 19 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L73[08:19:20] <MichiBot> BrainStone's new
record is 4 hours, 39 minutes and 5 seconds! 46 seconds
gained!
L74[08:19:34] <BrainStone>
Lol XD
<BrainStone>
Lol XDL75[08:23:59] <Forecaster>
Noo
<Forecaster>
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L77[08:49:29] <Inari> .
L78[08:52:02] <ZefTheFox>
Very inciteful Inary *rounds of applause*
<ZefTheFox>
Very inciteful Inary *rounds of applause*L79[08:56:52] <Forecaster>
insightful*
<Forecaster>
insightful*L80[08:57:08] <Forecaster>
unless inari was trying to incite a riot :P
<Forecaster>
unless inari was trying to incite a riot :PL81[09:02:11] <ZefTheFox>
Well I'm sorry that I'm tired
<ZefTheFox>
Well I'm sorry that I'm tiredL82[09:02:49] <Forecaster>
you should be, how dare you
<Forecaster>
you should be, how dare youL83[09:03:09] *
Izaya incites a riot against Zef
L84[09:03:47] <AmandaC> Inari sends just .
To see the many tells I send her overnight
L85[09:04:03] <Forecaster>
aw don't tell him that!
<Forecaster>
aw don't tell him that!L86[09:04:42] <Forecaster>
also that's not entirely true, sometimes she sends something
else!
<Forecaster>
also that's not entirely true, sometimes she sends something
else!L87[09:05:52] <ZefTheFox>
My dreams are ruined
<ZefTheFox>
My dreams are ruinedL88[09:10:28] <AmandaC> Sorry kid
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L90[09:12:55] <awoo>
nothin personel kid
<awoo>
nothin personel kidL91[09:19:32] <Inari> :p
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L93[09:48:10] <randomusr0> hello. this
question might be a bit offtopic but, are there any out-of-game
emulators of OpenComputers machines? i find in-game development to
be kinda tedious
L94[09:48:25] <ZefTheFox>
Yeah
<ZefTheFox>
YeahL95[09:48:43] <ZefTheFox>
But you can also edit the files with a text editor
<ZefTheFox>
But you can also edit the files with a text editorL96[09:49:30] <Izaya> randomusr0: you'll
probably want ocvm (on reasonable platforms) or ocemu (on
windows)
L97[09:52:00] <Izaya> https://github.com/payonel/ocvm
L98[09:57:08] <Wattana
Gaming> I just noticed this: Payonel's Github profile picture is
a Warrior class fighter from Final Fantasy 1
<Wattana
Gaming> I just noticed this: Payonel's Github profile picture is
a Warrior class fighter from Final Fantasy 1L99[09:57:43] <randomusr0> oh, thanks! i
assume pseudographics in OCVM wouldn't work correctly though?
L100[09:58:11] <Izaya> randomusr0: if your
terminal can display unicode properly it should work fine
L101[09:58:32] <AmandaC> It's a bit less
pretty, but it'll work fine-ish
L102[09:58:52] <AmandaC> The Braille
glyphs aren't as fill in real fonts
L103[09:58:55] <Izaya> how pretty it is
depends on your terminal config :3
L104[09:59:04] <Izaya> I think t20kdc has
a font for it
L105[09:59:25] <AmandaC> Oh? I couldn't
find a ttf version of the font
L106[09:59:35] <Izaya> may be pcf or
similar
L107[10:02:18] <AmandaC> Ugh I hope ups
delivers my new power cord soon
L108[10:03:11] <AmandaC> (laptop died,
this time I don't think it's a plug issue, or if it is, it's just a
"simple" solder job)
L109[10:12:34] <Izaya> this the System76
one?
L110[10:13:46] <Inari> https://store.steampowered.com/app/848480/Creeper_World_4/
\o/
L111[10:13:48] <AmandaC> Yup
L112[10:13:48] <randomusr0> thanks for the
suggestion, Izaya! :D
L113[10:14:17] <Izaya> enjoy
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L115[10:15:12] <AmandaC> My current
thought is the correct was already finicky last time, and my
attempts to "fix" it caused the pin issue
L116[10:15:27] <AmandaC>
s/correct/cord/
L117[10:15:28] <MichiBot> <AmandaC>
My current thought is the cord was already finicky last time, and
my attempts to "fix" it caused the pin issue
L118[10:15:43] <Inari> AmandaC: Let me
teach yuo time travel
L119[10:15:45] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42OleX0HR4E&feature=em-uploademail
L120[10:15:45] <MichiBot> Cary teaches
you how to time travel | length: 2m 45s | Likes:
12,527 Dislikes: 134 Views: 83,403 | by carykh |
Published On 18/1/2019
L121[10:19:33] <AmandaC> Inari: won't work
without a computer, which in dead
L122[10:20:46] <Inari> Heh
L123[10:20:51] <Inari> supposedly you can
double tap on mobile
L124[10:23:43] <Inari> (like on the right
side to jump forward, left backward or so :P But just wait till
your PC is undead)
L125[10:29:02] <AmandaC> I watched it on
the TV anyway, the bits you are supposed to ship is amusing
L126[10:29:29] <AmandaC> Skip*
L127[10:35:23] <Inari> Heh, yeah
L128[10:35:31] <Inari> You didn't catch
the part at the end then though!
L129[10:38:29] <Forecaster>
Double tap works but it's a lot harder to time right
<Forecaster>
Double tap works but it's a lot harder to time rightL130[10:38:34] <AmandaC> Meow?
L131[10:39:10] <Forecaster>
Soup
<Forecaster>
SoupL132[10:39:23] <Inari> AmandaC: Where he
tells you jump back everytime the block hits the wall
L133[10:39:39] <Lizzy> %tonk
L134[10:39:39] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Lizzy,
you were not able to beat BrainStone's record of 4 hours, 39
minutes and 5 seconds this time.
L135[10:39:40] <MichiBot> 2 hours, 20
minutes and 20 seconds were wasted! Missed by 2 hours, 18 minutes
and 45 seconds!
L136[10:39:48] <Inari> Good job
L137[10:39:49] <Lizzy> derp
L139[10:42:31] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
?L140[10:42:37] <MGR> The
peculiarities of language
<MGR> The
peculiarities of languageL141[10:43:01] <MGR> I'm
sure there's specificities that Google Translate is totally
masking
<MGR> I'm
sure there's specificities that Google Translate is totally
maskingL142[10:43:24] <BrainStone>
Yup. Can confirm
<BrainStone>
Yup. Can confirmL143[10:43:31] <BrainStone>
I’m German XD
<BrainStone>
I’m German XDL144[10:44:26] <BrainStone>
Might be that there are no better English equivalents, but the
German words actually do have a lot of nuance
<BrainStone>
Might be that there are no better English equivalents, but the
German words actually do have a lot of nuanceL145[10:44:29] <Izaya> >imgur is
significanty heavier than pleroma with mastofe
L146[10:46:05] <Inari> pleroma?
mastofe?
L147[10:46:22] <Izaya> pleroma is like
mastodon but not 300 pounds
L148[10:46:57] <Izaya> mastofe is the
mastodon frontend taped to pleroma
L149[10:47:38] <Inari> Actual result
"Economics (also economics, economic political science or
social economy, short VWL), is a branch of economics."
L150[10:48:13] <Inari> Izaya: So a pile of
tangled slinkies
L151[10:48:36] <Izaya> considering
ActivityPub is involved...
L152[10:48:37] <Izaya> yes.
L153[10:48:50] <Izaya> pleroma in action:
https://social.shadowkat.net
L154[10:48:54] <Izaya> pls be relatively
sfw
L155[10:49:30] <Inari> Mastodon lacks a
goodd Tweetdeck implementation
L156[10:51:14] <Izaya> both pleroma and
mastofe are exceedingly hostile to this smol laptop
L157[11:02:42] <AmandaC> Wtf is with that
timeline, Izaya
L158[11:03:02] <Izaya> AmandaC: what do
you expect from alt social media tbh
L159[11:03:50] <AmandaC> Well, given
Twitter isn't any better, good point
L160[11:04:20] <Izaya> there's also the
part where I don't refuse federation with any servers
L161[11:04:47] <Izaya> which makes it much
more ... interesting
L162[11:05:03] <Inari> Pinteresting
L163[11:05:22] <AmandaC> Not quite the
word I'd use, but to each their own
L164[11:06:24] <Inari> %pet AmandaC with
interest
L165[11:06:29] <Inari> :<
L166[11:06:31] <Inari> %pet AmandaC with
interest
L167[11:06:31] *
MichiBot pets AmandaC with interest with AmandaC's visa. 12 health
gained!
L168[11:06:50] <Izaya> unpleasant also
works, I suppose
L169[11:06:52] <Inari> Adequate
L170[11:07:05] <Izaya> go far enough in
any direction and it gets unpleasant
L171[11:07:34] <AmandaC> Eh. I mostly use
Twitter these days to stalk web content creators I enjoy
L172[11:08:26] <Izaya> There are RSS feeds
for that tbh
L173[11:08:38] <Izaya> I actually interact
with fedi-people so \o/
L174[11:11:21] <AmandaC> Eh
L175[11:12:00] <Izaya> probably helps that
I knew half of them from IRC already
L176[11:12:31] <AmandaC> I need to make a
program at some point to scrape the many RSS feeds for my ongoing
stories and condense them into a single feed, my IFTTT applet page
is getting crazy
L177[11:13:29] <AmandaC> Maybe I'll turn
my web novels mess into a git repo and abuse gitlab ci for it
L178[11:15:12] <AmandaC> (I've got a
powershell script that parses a yaml file and runs my scraper, then
loads it into my laptop's Calibre instance, but there's no reason I
couldn't make the yaml files just be in a git repo)
L179[11:16:45] <AmandaC> I properly tag
ongoing stories with an "ongoing" tag, so I've just got
to find the stories with that and condense it into a list of feed
urls, then go though that
L180[11:17:01] <AmandaC> Hrm
L181[11:18:20] <AmandaC> Meh, can't do
anything now
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L184[11:46:07] <Izaya> ~flip
hahahahahahaha
L185[11:46:12] <Izaya> %flip
hahahahahahaha
L186[11:46:13] <MichiBot> Izaya:
(╯°□°）╯ɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥɐɥ
L187[11:47:01] <Inari> %flip ^
L188[11:47:02] <MichiBot> Inari:
(╯°□°）╯hahahahahahaha╯）°□°╯)
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L192[13:01:48] <??
??McMaartenz> Okay so I'm confused
<??
??McMaartenz> Okay so I'm confusedL193[13:02:27] <??
??McMaartenz> using `a,s,d,f,g = event.pull('touch')`, `g` = `0`
while it needs to check my name, right?
<??
??McMaartenz> using `a,s,d,f,g = event.pull('touch')`, `g` = `0`
while it needs to check my name, right?L194[13:02:42] <??
??McMaartenz> It didn't got removed did it?
<??
??McMaartenz> It didn't got removed did it?L195[13:03:01] <Izaya> add a
print(a,s,d,f,g) after the event.pull line, see what it's
returning
L197[13:03:31] <??
??McMaartenz> It's a zero
<??
??McMaartenz> It's a zeroL198[13:03:58] <Izaya> huh
L199[13:04:05] <Izaya> return
event.pull("touch")?
L200[13:04:16] <??
??McMaartenz> uh what
<??
??McMaartenz> uh whatL201[13:04:20] <??
??McMaartenz> oh ill try
<??
??McMaartenz> oh ill tryL202[13:04:35] <??
??McMaartenz> wait
<??
??McMaartenz> waitL203[13:04:36] <??
??McMaartenz> that worked
<??
??McMaartenz> that workedL204[13:04:37] <Izaya> might be more
params that aren't documented or something
L205[13:04:43] <??
??McMaartenz> it showed my name :-;
<??
??McMaartenz> it showed my name :-;L206[13:04:57] <??
??McMaartenz> I'll look into it
<??
??McMaartenz> I'll look into itL207[13:04:58] <Izaya> as the 5th
param?
L208[13:05:12] <??
??McMaartenz> Yeah there is another param xD
<??
??McMaartenz> Yeah there is another param xDL209[13:05:17] <Izaya> ah :D
L210[13:05:19] <??
??McMaartenz> I'll change some code
<??
??McMaartenz> I'll change some codeL211[13:05:25] <Izaya> well, easy
fix
L212[13:05:27] <Izaya> ~w signals
L213[13:05:27] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:signals
L215[13:05:59] <??
??McMaartenz> xD
<??
??McMaartenz> xDL216[13:06:11] <Izaya> was just checking
for myself
L217[13:06:21] <Izaya> wiki bot is very
convenient
L218[13:06:31] <??
??McMaartenz> yeah
<??
??McMaartenz> yeahL219[13:06:45] <Izaya> we need more useful
IRC bots like that tbh
L220[13:06:59] <Izaya> maybe I should
write one that greps my addon documentation pages
L221[13:07:04] <??
??McMaartenz> I never understand such thing... relaying discord
to irc and back
<??
??McMaartenz> I never understand such thing... relaying discord
to irc and backL222[13:07:10] <??
??McMaartenz> It's like "strange"
<??
??McMaartenz> It's like "strange"L223[13:07:12] <Izaya> hm, the 0 is the
button
L224[13:07:16] <Izaya> that makes
sense
L225[13:07:28] <??
??McMaartenz> Yeah it works now :D
<??
??McMaartenz> Yeah it works now :DL226[13:07:32] <SF-MC> Some people don't
want to IRC
L227[13:07:38] <SF-MC> Other people don't
want to Discord
L228[13:07:47] <??
??McMaartenz> Tpyical
<??
??McMaartenz> TpyicalL229[13:07:50] <Izaya> good to hear,
McMaartenz :D
L230[13:07:57] <??
??McMaartenz> Yeah :D
<??
??McMaartenz> Yeah :DL231[13:08:09] <??
??McMaartenz> Perfect security, just needs to detect your
name
<??
??McMaartenz> Perfect security, just needs to detect your
nameL232[13:08:13] <??
??McMaartenz> ?
<??
??McMaartenz> ?L233[13:08:25] <Izaya> I like the bio
readers from OpenSecurity
L234[13:08:36] <Izaya> they get your
player UUID so even if your name changes it returns the same
ID
L235[13:08:47] <??
??McMaartenz> :O
<??
??McMaartenz> :OL236[13:08:49] <SF-MC> There's not really
any such thing as 'security' in OpenComputers :P
L237[13:08:49] <??
??McMaartenz> wow
<??
??McMaartenz> wowL238[13:08:54] <??
??McMaartenz> ye
<??
??McMaartenz> yeL239[13:09:02] <??
??McMaartenz> But it's kinda possible
<??
??McMaartenz> But it's kinda possibleL240[13:09:08] <SF-MC> meaning
L241[13:09:10] <??
??McMaartenz> (phew)
<??
??McMaartenz> (phew)L242[13:09:11]
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L243[13:09:28] <SF-MC> the first rule of
security is: if the bad guy can /physically touch/ your kit, he
owns it
L244[13:09:35] <??
??McMaartenz> o0f
<??
??McMaartenz> o0fL245[13:09:36] <??
??McMaartenz> true
<??
??McMaartenz> trueL246[13:09:48] <Izaya> and that's why my
server room has a laser turret
L247[13:09:56] <??
??McMaartenz> Since it's requiring only the touch of the player,
a keyboard is not needed :D
<??
??McMaartenz> Since it's requiring only the touch of the player,
a keyboard is not needed :DL248[13:10:02] <??
??McMaartenz> Just click on the screen and doe
<??
??McMaartenz> Just click on the screen and doeL249[13:10:05] <??
??McMaartenz> done*
<??
??McMaartenz> done*L250[13:12:23]
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L251[13:14:29] <SF-MC> oh hey
L252[13:14:34] <SF-MC> Looking at my other
IRC client
L253[13:14:43] <SF-MC> This channel will
have been a thing for 5 years in 5 days
L254[13:15:02] <Izaya> exciting
L255[13:15:04] <SF-MC> Kinda weird to
think about, eh?
L256[13:15:09] <Izaya> quite
L257[13:15:14] <Izaya> SF-MC: are you
using an IRC mod?
L258[13:15:21] <Izaya> and if you are,
which?
L259[13:15:23] <SF-MC> yeah, I'm using
EiraIRC
L260[13:15:32] <Izaya> ah, not in 1.12
then I take it?
L261[13:15:41] <SF-MC> nah
L262[13:15:50] <Izaya> too bad :|
L263[13:15:58] <SF-MC> I'm still in good
'ol 1.7.10
L264[13:15:59] <Izaya> I found an EiraIRC
build for 1.12 but it was rather broken
L265[13:16:06] <Izaya> as in it was
totally fucked
L266[13:16:11] <SF-MC> yikes
L267[13:16:21] *
Izaya gives it a "You tried" sticker
L268[13:16:52] <Izaya> thinking I might
just chunkload my base and stick a computer with a creative chatbox
on it
L269[13:17:03] <Izaya> use that to relay
ingame chat <-> IRC
L270[13:17:23] <SF-MC> hah, that'd be
pretty creative
L271[13:18:35] <Izaya> I've seen it done
before, I think.
L272[13:18:45] <SF-MC> It's kindof a shame
that OC/CC have a sort of Turing tarpit
L273[13:18:48] <Izaya> Another thing to
run on one of muh big servers I guess :D
L274[13:19:02] <SF-MC> You could do
basically anything you could with other mods to a large
extent
L275[13:19:11] <SF-MC> It's probably just
too much effort and not very interesting
L276[13:19:48] <Izaya> you *can* but that
doesn't give me an excuse to work on my OS
L277[13:20:00] <SF-MC> I just started up a
new world whose challenge is to use computers basically whenever
possible
L278[13:20:35] <Izaya> SF-MC: if you want
to play on a server some time and don't mind 1.12 I've been running
one
L279[13:21:41] <SF-MC> I'll try to keep
that in mind, thanks
L280[13:25:15] <SF-MC> I always end up
putting in computers (because obviously I want computers in my
computers!!!)
L281[13:25:21] <SF-MC> but then basically
never use them
L282[13:25:32] <SF-MC> I do that with a
lot of mods, actually... :/
L283[13:26:42] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
today on 'that's rich coming from you': https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/17/oracle_exec_opensource_vendors_locking_down_licenses_proves_they_were_never_really_open/
L284[13:26:56] <CompanionCube> they have
no right to say that lol
L285[13:27:31] <SF-MC> >as he rejected
the idea that Oracle is a proprietary vendor
L286[13:27:32] <SF-MC> uh
L287[13:27:36] <SF-MC> EXCUSE ME
L288[13:27:40] <CompanionCube> SF-MC:
ifkr
L289[13:27:52] <Izaya> oracle is pretty
much the first thing that comes to mind from those words
L290[13:27:56] <CompanionCube> these are
the people that not only have a proprietary opperating system
L291[13:28:03] <CompanionCube> but
ACTIVELY MADE IT PROPRIETARY
L292[13:28:25] <Izaya> and then fucking
dumped it anyway
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L295[13:31:36] <SF-MC> See, like, this
article really just demonstrates why MIT is largely problematic
IMO
L296[13:31:45] <CompanionCube> MPLv2 for
lyfe
L297[13:31:46] <SF-MC> Not the whole of
the F/OSS movement
L298[13:32:25] <CompanionCube> (GPLv2 is
fine for some things too)
L299[13:32:40] <Izaya> CompanionCube: I
considered GPLv3 for Minitel for shiggs
L300[13:32:44] <Izaya> >:3
L301[13:32:48] <CompanionCube>
shiggs?
L302[13:32:54] <CompanionCube> oh wait,
s/v2/v3/
L303[13:32:55] <SF-MC> shits 'n
giggles
L304[13:32:58] <Izaya> ^
L305[13:33:01] <CompanionCube> that's a
weird way of putting it
L306[13:33:12] <CompanionCube>
(shiggs)
L307[13:33:17] <SF-MC> It's just a
portmanteau
L308[13:33:34] <CompanionCube> Izaya: or
even better: AGPLv3...or SSPL if you wanted to troll
L309[13:33:47] <SF-MC> My general rule of
thumb:
L310[13:33:53] <CompanionCube> (even
though unlike SSPL AGPLv3 has a valid reason to exist)
L311[13:34:12] <SF-MC> If it's something I
care about or is somehow unique in some way: strong copyleft
(generally GPL)
L312[13:34:42] <Izaya> CompanionCube: I
could specify different licenses for ... specific people :^)
L313[13:34:43] <SF-MC> If it's something I
don't care about or is something not particular unique: weak
copyleft (MIT usu)
L314[13:34:56] <CompanionCube> >weak
copyleft
L315[13:34:57] <CompanionCube>
>mit
L316[13:35:01] <CompanionCube> this is not
what that means
L317[13:35:21] <SF-MC> OK, so my
terminology is wrong
L318[13:35:31] <SF-MC> I know what GPL
implies and what MIT implies
L319[13:35:39] <CompanionCube> the term
you're after is 'permissive'
L320[13:35:44] <SF-MC> and I'm just bad at
words
L321[13:35:49] <CompanionCube> weak
copyleft is the LGPL/MPLv2
L322[13:36:12] <SF-MC> ah yes, that's
right
L323[13:36:24] <SF-MC> I herped and I
derped
L324[13:36:48] <Skye> didn't t20kdc make
things CC0
L325[13:36:56] <SF-MC> I basically don't
ever weak copyleft though
L326[13:37:06] <t20kdc> that's because I'm
crazy
L327[13:37:11] <t20kdc> also hi did
someone ping me
L328[13:37:15] *
t20kdc grabs nuclear rocket launcher
L329[13:37:17] <SF-MC> that generally
means that I'm having to license around a main program that can't
be GPL
L330[13:37:26] <SF-MC> and that's
something I generally don't do
L331[13:37:42] <Izaya> t20kdc: you have a
font for ocvm, no?
L332[13:37:50] <Izaya> pls don't nuke
me
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L334[13:38:08] <Izaya> speaking of all
this licensing stuff I need to write up a terms of service given I
run public services now
L335[13:38:20] <Izaya> anyone have any
resources on that?
L336[13:39:04] <Skye> public
services?
L337[13:39:16] <Izaya> Skye:
social.shadowkat.net and git.shadowkat.net
L338[13:39:24] <Izaya> technically public
services even if they have like, 5 users
L339[13:39:41] <Skye> make it clear that
you have the final say on everything
L340[13:39:41] *
Izaya does intend to expand to other stuff too but not
yet
L341[13:39:53] <Izaya> of course, I am
supreme dictator Izaya
L342[13:39:53] <Skye> and that you provide
no gaurentee of any kind
L343[13:39:57] <Skye> and e
L344[13:40:06] <Skye> and what you see is
what you get
L345[13:40:30] <ben_mkiv> Izaya, https://github.com/CoFH/ThermalExpansion/blob/1.12/README.md
L346[13:40:40] <ben_mkiv> thats a good
template for any license
L347[13:40:52] <ben_mkiv> in a world where
we need licenses at all
L348[13:40:53] <Izaya> I love the irony of
that license.
L349[13:41:17] <Izaya> Specifically in the
context of being CoFH
L350[13:41:32] <ben_mkiv> Like what?
L351[13:41:56] <Izaya> >"Don't Be
a Jerk" License
L352[13:42:02] <Izaya> >lays out some
real dickish rules
L353[13:42:07] <Izaya> t-thanks
L354[13:42:20] <matrix89> hi guys, if
someone fixes #3023 will it get merged? payonel said that it's not
planned to add new mod compat, but if somebody implements it?
L355[13:42:38] <ben_mkiv> which rule is
dickish?
L356[13:42:46] <Skye> matrix89, that's up
to payonel
L357[13:42:52] <Skye> though this is the
place to ask such questions
L358[13:42:56] <Skye> he isn't online
right now
L359[13:43:15] <Izaya> ben_mkiv: the part
where it's not actually FOSS and you're not actually allowed to
publish forks
L360[13:43:21] <Skye> it depends on why he
doesn't want to add new compat
L361[13:43:25] *
Skye pokes payonel
L362[13:43:36] <ben_mkiv> You CAN
L363[13:43:36] <ben_mkiv> Fork and modify
the code.
L364[13:43:38] <ben_mkiv> seriously?
L365[13:43:40] <SoraFirestorm> But just
because it's not planned doesn't mean it won't happen
L366[13:44:01] <Izaya> >YOU CANNOT:
Redistribute this in its entirety as source or compiled code.
L367[13:44:03] <SF-MC> I'm not saying that
means it *will* happen
L368[13:44:16] <Izaya> You can fork the
code but you can't publish your fork in any compiled state
L369[13:44:32] <ben_mkiv> yes, because it
would disguise where the source is from
L370[13:44:36] <ben_mkiv> that isnt the
case for forks
L371[13:44:53] <ben_mkiv> yea izaya
L372[13:45:01] <Izaya> that's shit
L373[13:45:01] <ben_mkiv> but you can make
pull requests
L374[13:45:04] <ben_mkiv> its not
L375[13:45:21] <SF-MC> I found my favorite
biome wheeeee
L376[13:45:21] <Izaya> what if I want to
do something that they don't want in their stuff
L377[13:45:30] <ben_mkiv> then do it
private
L378[13:45:36] <ben_mkiv> but dont put it
on curseforge or something else
L379[13:45:40] <Izaya> do I just have to
rewrite the mod if I want to publish it?
L380[13:45:48] <ben_mkiv> yes
L381[13:45:56] <SF-MC> then what the fuck
is the point?
L382[13:45:58] <Izaya> that's bullshit in
my book
L383[13:46:07] <ben_mkiv> not in my
book
L384[13:46:09] <SF-MC> if you have to end
up rewriting the whole damn thing to release
L385[13:46:13] <SF-MC> you may as well not
use it as a base
L386[13:46:29] <ben_mkiv> you dont get the
idea of open source obviously
L387[13:46:37] <SF-MC> ...
L388[13:46:41] <ben_mkiv> its open source
so that others can CONTRIBUTE to the project
L389[13:47:01] <CompanionCube> that
license is more vague than the SSPLv1
L390[13:47:06] <CompanionCube> which is
saying something
L391[13:47:13] <Izaya> >like x but want
to change one thing the mod authors don't want to change
L392[13:47:22] <Izaya> >can't because
you're not allowed to publish your fork
L393[13:47:34] <ben_mkiv> A.) you want a
feature that isnt in the main mod. go make an addon
L394[13:47:36] <CompanionCube>
'Redistribute this in its entirety as source or compiled code.'
'Maintain a visible repository of your code which is inspired by,
derived from, or copied from this code. Basically, if you use it,
pay it forward. You keep rights to your OWN code, but you still
must make your source visible.'
L395[13:47:38] <CompanionCube>
:thonk:
L396[13:47:44] <ben_mkiv> b.) you fix
stuff, go and contribute that fix to the original project
L397[13:47:53] <SF-MC> That's fixes
though
L398[13:47:57] <ben_mkiv> whats wrong with
that mentality?
L399[13:48:03] <Izaya> And if I want to
change core functionality that they don't want changed?
L400[13:48:07] <SF-MC> There's nothing
wrong with that
L401[13:48:12] <SF-MC> It's what Izaya
just said though
L402[13:48:19] <Izaya> I guess I just have
to fucking monkey-patch it then >.>
L403[13:48:20] <AmandaC> Izaya: heyyyyy
you do soldering and such, right? Do these connections look strong
enough? https://nc.ddna.co/s/ad4Z9MP4oaECRRQ
L404[13:48:31] <SF-MC> What if what I want
to do is fundamentally incompatible with what they want to
do?
L405[13:48:52] <SF-MC> That's where the
beef lies
L406[13:49:17] <ben_mkiv> AmandaC, they
arent perfect but okay i guess
L407[13:49:29] <Izaya> top left in
MVIMG_20190118_144036.jpg looks a little flaky but it should be
fine
L408[13:49:40] <CompanionCube> hm
L409[13:49:48] <AmandaC> If what you want
to do is fundamental different than what they want to do, it could
be argued that their code wouldn't be very accommodating to your
changes
L410[13:49:49] <ben_mkiv> when you solder
heat up the connector on the pcb a bit so that the tin covers it
all
L411[13:49:55] <CompanionCube> i wonder
how much of the DFSG that license violates
L412[13:50:17] <CompanionCube> https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
I'm looking at #6
L413[13:50:42] <AmandaC> It's not my
soldering job, just double checking while I wait for the nice ups
woman to give me the new power cord I ordered
L414[13:50:45] <SoraFirestorm> AmandaC:
perhaps that wasn't the right phrasing
L415[13:51:14] <SoraFirestorm> I want
feature XYZ to work like A because I don't like B but B is the
original design and is what $MOD_AUTHOR wants
L416[13:51:14] <AmandaC> SoraFirestorm:
just being pedantic/playing devil's advocate
L417[13:51:40] <SF-MC> I didn't mean it in
quite an core architectural sense
L418[13:51:49] <AmandaC> I'm incredibly
bored since my laptop battery died this morning
L419[13:52:30] <SF-MC> like, OK
L420[13:52:33] <SF-MC> Here's a real
example
L421[13:52:55] <SF-MC> I like the EnderIO
powered light as far as features go
L422[13:53:09] <SF-MC> I want an
energy-using, redstone-controlled lightsource
L423[13:53:16] <SF-MC> The model is
microscopic
L424[13:53:28] <Izaya> AmandaC: re the
fediverse discussion earlier: https://pl.smuglo.li/media/dd3a919a-264d-412a-a079-a7676a07070e/mastodont.jpg
L425[13:53:42] <SF-MC> I make the change
to make the model bigger
L426[13:53:43] <ben_mkiv> you know that
you can ship models with resource packs?
L427[13:53:49] <SF-MC> $AUTHOR doesn't
want them bigger
L428[13:53:55] <AmandaC> Izaya: that is
much more seated than it looked in the photo ( at least on my phone
screen, compared to looking up close with the flash on (
L429[13:54:20] <SF-MC> It was just an
example
L430[13:54:29] <ben_mkiv> well give a good
example the
L431[13:54:31] <ben_mkiv> then*
L432[13:54:43] <ben_mkiv> just because you
want something doesnt mean that everyone else also wants it that
way
L433[13:54:52] <SF-MC> That's literally my
point
L434[13:55:03] <Izaya> and that's why you
normally establish a fork to do things your way
L435[13:55:07] <SF-MC> ^^^^
L436[13:55:11] <AmandaC> %choose assemble
it again or wait
L437[13:55:12] <MichiBot> AmandaC: I spy
with my robotic eye something beginning with wait!
L438[13:55:22] <ben_mkiv> yea fork a whole
mod for something that a resource pack could add
L439[13:55:28] <SF-MC> holy shit
L440[13:55:31] <SF-MC> can you _not_
L441[13:55:43] <ben_mkiv> and keep all the
old bugs around
L442[13:55:47] <ben_mkiv> totally
good...
L443[13:55:54] <SF-MC> Nothing says you
can't merge upstream changes!!!
L444[13:56:04] <SF-MC> That's even a _good
idea_
L445[13:56:28] <ben_mkiv> and then you
lose interest in it and dont update anymore
L446[13:56:40] <ben_mkiv> while a
resourcepack would just add the necessary change
L447[13:56:44] <SF-MC> Then either someone
else picks it up because they care
L448[13:56:50] <SF-MC> or it rots because
no one does
L449[13:56:59] <SF-MC> It's not
specifically about the fucking model
L450[13:57:07] <ben_mkiv> why do i even
argue with you over that -.-
L451[13:57:15] <ben_mkiv> yea but you cant
even come up with a good example
L452[13:57:24] <Skye> I don't have an
opinion if it's moral or not
L453[13:57:25] <Skye> but
L454[13:57:27] <SF-MC> It's about how to
amicably have everyone be happy
L455[13:57:29] <Skye> it's not open
source
L456[13:57:50] <Skye> it wouldn't meet the
OSI definition nor the FSF definition
L457[13:58:00] <Skye> so to be technical,
it's not open source
L458[13:58:04] <Skye> it's visible
source
L459[13:58:11] <CompanionCube> 'shared'
source
L460[13:58:15] <Skye> ^
L461[13:58:31] *
Izaya mumbles something about the CDDL
L462[13:58:33] <Skye> that's the only
thing that annoyed me from that conversation
L463[13:58:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
don't get me started
L464[13:58:42] <CompanionCube> just
don't.
L465[13:59:09] <Izaya> to be fair
Skye
L466[13:59:11] <AmandaC> %choose
hallucinate on the phone or wait until you can hopefully do so on
the ereadee
L467[13:59:12] <MichiBot> AmandaC: I'm 40%
hallucinate on the phone!
L468[13:59:16] <CompanionCube> especially
not after recent events
L469[13:59:18] <AmandaC> Kaaayyyy
L470[13:59:18] <Izaya> CoFH doesn't claim
to do anything open-source
L471[13:59:30] <Skye> but ben did
L472[13:59:38] <Izaya> true enough
L473[14:00:13] <Skye> if you really needed
to mod it at a low level, ASM hacks to the rescue
L474[14:00:18] <Skye> heh
L475[14:00:21] <Izaya> monkey-patching
:D
L476[14:00:24] *
CompanionCube responds to the muttering about CDDL with two words:
'license politics'
L477[14:00:25] <Skye> yep
L478[14:00:27] <Izaya> a good thing to
avoid
L479[14:00:37] <Skye> muahahahah
L480[14:00:52] <ben_mkiv> where did i
claim that?
L481[14:01:12] <Skye> [19:45:44]
<ben_mkiv> you dont get the idea of open source
obviously
L482[14:01:12] <Skye> [19:45:53]
<SF-MC> ...
L483[14:01:12] <Skye> [19:45:56]
<ben_mkiv> its open source so that others can CONTRIBUTE to
the project
L484[14:01:41] <ben_mkiv> ok, right
L485[14:02:52] <Skye> COFH have the right
to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't break the MC
EULA
L486[14:03:33] <Skye> but calling
shared/visible source "open" is a misnomer
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L488[14:29:18] <dequbed> Damn, I'm late to
the flamewar. Can someone pour some gasoline over it? Popcorn is
just about done.
L489[14:29:32] <SF-MC> uh
L490[14:30:02] <SF-MC> idk I can't think
of anything good to incite a roit
L491[14:30:11] <SF-MC> s/roit/riot/
L492[14:30:12] <MichiBot> <SF-MC>
idk I can't think of anything good to incite a riot
L493[14:30:54] <dequbed> SF-MC: Uh,
"Stallman was wrong, only libre software is truly free"
should do the trick.
L494[14:32:55] <Forecaster>
How dare you spell "riot" wrong?!
<Forecaster>
How dare you spell "riot" wrong?!L495[14:33:11] <SF-MC> ./ohshit/
L496[14:33:24] <Forecaster>
To the guillotine with you!
<Forecaster>
To the guillotine with you!L497[14:48:50] <CompanionCube> dequbed:
here let me: CDDL and GPL are totally compatible *ducks*
L498[14:56:07] <Inari> https://tenor.com/view/pancake-pancakes-cat-gif-6102659
L499[14:57:32] <Inari> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190118/11062441423/eu-cancels-final-negotiations-eu-copyright-directive-as-it-becomes-clear-there-isnt-enough-support.shtml
L500[15:00:39] <CompanionCube> yay
L501[15:00:59] <SF-MC> This is referring
to the bad copyright thing, yeah?
L502[15:04:50] <Lizzian>
yup
<Lizzian>
yupL503[15:11:28] <AmandaC> Well, unless I
got extremely lucky on my fist placement of the power cord, it
seems it was, indeed the cord that was broken this time
L504[15:17:17] <AmandaC> SF-MC: you'll
have to be more specific, but I assume it's related to the one that
wanted Imgur, Youtube, etc to all pre-screen content on upoad
L505[15:17:26] <Inari> AmandaC: CAts don't
have fists
L506[15:17:38] <SF-MC> that might have
been it, idk
L507[15:17:48] <AmandaC> Inari: typo of
first.
L508[15:17:55] <SF-MC> I just know that
the EU was doing something dumb
L509[15:18:13] <SF-MC> whatever it was was
going to ban memes or whatever
L510[15:18:31] <SF-MC> s/ban/effectively
ban/
L511[15:18:33] <MichiBot> <SF-MC>
whatever it was was going to effectively ban memes or
whatever
L512[15:22:22] <AmandaC> kinda sad that
/that/ ended up being the line that toed it into being unsupported.
Not, you know, the fact it'd crush independent creators on youtube,
etc
L513[15:22:39] <SF-MC> yeah, that's
sad
L514[15:22:41] <SF-MC> but honestly
L515[15:22:56] <SF-MC> that's more of a
'tangible' deficit
L516[15:23:02] <ben_mkiv> at least thats
what 14 years old spread
L517[15:35:46] <Inari> 14 is the best
age
L518[15:42:31] <Forecaster>
I like being able to drive
<Forecaster>
I like being able to driveL519[15:42:39] <Forecaster>
and doing things
<Forecaster>
and doing thingsL520[15:43:04] <Inari> :p
L521[15:43:08] <Inari> I don't drive
L522[15:43:09] <Inari> \o/
L523[15:43:45] <Forecaster>
my points is: no
<Forecaster>
my points is: noL524[15:58:26] <SF-MC> ehhh, it depends on
what your home life looks like
L525[15:59:06] <Forecaster>
what, no, things can't be subjective
<Forecaster>
what, no, things can't be subjectiveL526[15:59:15] <Forecaster>
not on the internet
<Forecaster>
not on the internetL527[15:59:18] <Forecaster>
it's impossible
<Forecaster>
it's impossibleL528[15:59:27] <SF-MC> oh, sorry
L529[16:00:14] <Forecaster>
do I need to put you through the guillotine again? > -
>
<Forecaster>
do I need to put you through the guillotine again? > -
>L530[16:00:59] <Forecaster>
%tonk
<Forecaster>
%tonkL531[16:01:00] <MichiBot> Sard!
Forecaster! You beat BrainStone's previous record of 4 hours, 39
minutes and 5 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L532[16:01:01] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 5 hours, 21 minutes and 20 seconds! 42 minutes and 15
seconds gained!
L533[16:01:07] <Forecaster>
yess
<Forecaster>
yessL534[16:01:34] <SoraFirestorm> Note to
self: beat Forecaster in ~6 hours
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L536[16:01:43] <Forecaster>
nope!
<Forecaster>
nope!L537[16:01:45] <Forecaster>
%tonkout
<Forecaster>
%tonkoutL538[16:01:46] <MichiBot> Forecaster has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points!
Current score: 0.029
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L542[16:19:10] <Temia> %tonk
L543[16:19:11] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket!
Temia! You beat Forecaster's previous record of <0! I hope
you're happy!
L544[16:19:12] <MichiBot> Temia's new
record is 17 minutes and 25 seconds! 17 minutes and 25 seconds
gained!
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L548[17:05:28] <Inari> Where do I submit
curses anyway
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L550[17:07:45] <beetle> h-hewwo?
L551[17:07:49] <SoraFirestorm> %tonk
L552[17:07:50] <MichiBot> Fudge!
SoraFirestorm! You beat Temia's previous record of 17 minutes and
25 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L553[17:07:51] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm's
new record is 48 minutes and 38 seconds! 31 minutes and 12 seconds
gained!
L554[17:08:08] <beetle> I'm incredibly new
to this
L555[17:08:13] <SoraFirestorm> hi
L556[17:08:31] <Temia> %hello
L557[17:08:32] <MichiBot> Temia: Hello!
Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask
your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code
examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont
mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L558[17:09:09] <beetle> This is kinda
nutty
L559[17:09:09] <Temia> How can we help?
c:
L560[17:09:32] <beetle> Idk I'm honestly
surprised I made it this far
L561[17:09:34] <Inari> Probably
can't
L562[17:09:39] <Inari> They're just
checking otu the loto disk
L563[17:09:41] <Inari> Or so
L564[17:09:41] <Inari> :p
L565[17:09:43] <Temia> Inari, hush
L566[17:09:56] <Inari> Temia: Thats the
name of a certain product, yes
L567[17:10:44] <Temia> Seriously, hush.
Don't push doubt on the newbie >.>
L568[17:11:06] <Inari> Well, about
everyone who logs in with OC's IRC client is just here to check it
out though
L569[17:11:07] <Inari> :D
L570[17:11:22] <beetle> Well they wouldn't
be ENTIRELY wrong
L571[17:11:38] <Alex404>
Whats so cheaty about inventory drivers?
<Alex404>
Whats so cheaty about inventory drivers?L572[17:11:49] <Inari> cheaty?
L573[17:11:54] <Alex404>
I'm curious, they are placed beside the debug card in the
configs
<Alex404>
I'm curious, they are placed beside the debug card in the
configsL574[17:12:02] <SF-MC> Some people just
don't like the 'immersion-breaking' aspects of them
L575[17:12:21] <beetle> I've been putting
together a computer for the past 3 days in a friend's server but I
haven't been able to make much happen since it's expensive to do in
survival
L576[17:12:37] <Alex404>
whats different from using a robot or an adapter?
<Alex404>
whats different from using a robot or an adapter?L577[17:12:40] <beetle> So I was fiddling
in creative until just now
L578[17:12:46] <Temia> Well,
congratulations on getting your first computer running :D
L579[17:12:57] <awoo> i
need to continue my survival word
<awoo> i
need to continue my survival wordL580[17:13:01] <awoo>
*world
<awoo>
*worldL581[17:13:14] <SF-MC> The
'immersion-breaking' aspects are those that, for example,
L582[17:13:17] <awoo> iirc
i can get get a tier 3 already
<awoo> iirc
i can get get a tier 3 alreadyL583[17:13:30] <SF-MC> allow the robot to
see the item id of items
L584[17:13:40] <Alex404>
(i'm pretty anal in regards of immersion breaking, so this is of
great interest for me)
<Alex404>
(i'm pretty anal in regards of immersion breaking, so this is of
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L586[17:14:24] <awoo>
so
<awoo>
soL587[17:14:26] <awoo>
tbh
<awoo>
tbhL588[17:14:33] <awoo> if i
want immersion
<awoo> if i
want immersionL589[17:14:35] <awoo>
like
<awoo>
likeL590[17:14:57] <awoo> i
wouldn't be playing mc but that's just me
<awoo> i
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L592[17:15:19] <beetle> oops i forgot to
connect my computer to generator lmao
L593[17:15:40] <Alex404>
mmm ids? no use then. I like not using thing that remember me its a
videogame
<Alex404>
mmm ids? no use then. I like not using thing that remember me its a
videogameL594[17:16:00] <awoo> but i
do need to get to the end in my world, need to start on
reactorcraft
<awoo> but i
do need to get to the end in my world, need to start on
reactorcraftL595[17:16:04] <Alex404>
I've built a gps system with oc for creating my personal coordinate
system too
<Alex404>
I've built a gps system with oc for creating my personal coordinate
system tooL596[17:16:09] <SF-MC> 'kay then, disable
them and don't use them
L597[17:16:23] <Alex404>
yea
<Alex404>
yeaL598[17:16:37] <beetle> My friend wanted
me to get a power reading script he found running but it's so dang
expensive upgrading everything
L599[17:16:51] <SF-MC> Power
reading?
L600[17:17:42] <beetle> An RF monitor that
gives a visual representation of how much power is stored in
certain power cells
L601[17:17:49] <SF-MC> hm
L602[17:18:12] <beetle> you can probably
find it by searching power.lua it's on the oc forums
L603[17:18:12] <SF-MC> Which parts are
expensive?
L604[17:18:20] <beetle> memory.
L605[17:18:31] <SF-MC> mmmh
L606[17:18:45] <SF-MC> see, I think I
doubled all of the memory values in my pack
L607[17:18:45] <beetle> we're running bevo
tech pack and finding gold and farming spiders eyes has been a hell
and a half
L608[17:18:48] <beetle> for the grog
L609[17:19:05] <SF-MC> .../and/ you're
playing in hardmode apparently
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L611[17:19:48] <SoraFirestorm> I
personally think that the hardmode is probably a little much
L612[17:19:51] <SoraFirestorm> But
eh
L613[17:20:17] <beetle> i don't
understand
L614[17:20:44] <SoraFirestorm> You're
using crafting recipes that are part of the hard recipe set
L615[17:20:54] <SoraFirestorm> Depending
on what version you're playing, there's an easier version
L616[17:21:05] <SoraFirestorm> s/easier
version/easier recipe set/
L617[17:21:07] <MichiBot>
<SoraFirestorm> Depending on what version you're playing,
there's an easier recipe set
L618[17:21:26] <beetle> I can check which
version maybe
L619[17:22:13] <SoraFirestorm> (and just
to be clear, I'm SF-MC, using a different IRC client)
L620[17:22:32] <beetle> 1.7.0.1085 is all
that's in the jar name
L621[17:22:46] <SoraFirestorm> yeah,
there's an easier recipe set available then
L622[17:22:54] <beetle> dang
L623[17:23:01] <SoraFirestorm> But whoever
configured Bevo decided they wanted the hard stuff
L624[17:23:14] <beetle> oh is that the one
where you can just smelt the raw card to get the printed one?
L625[17:23:28] <beetle> I think I saw
something the other day
L626[17:23:29] <SoraFirestorm> that's
probably one of the changed recipes
L627[17:23:42] <SoraFirestorm> I don't
know what the changes are; I don't play OC hard recipes :P
L628[17:23:45] <beetle> I imagine most
people play creative anyway
L629[17:24:34] <awoo>
ngl
<awoo>
nglL630[17:24:49] <awoo> how
rotarycraft works annoys me
<awoo> how
rotarycraft works annoys meL631[17:24:58] <SoraFirestorm> On my
2-person server, I have several computers in service
L632[17:25:05] <SoraFirestorm> And we're
planning on adding a few more
L633[17:25:10] <awoo>
because shafts seem to be both components and cables
<awoo>
because shafts seem to be both components and cablesL634[17:25:26] <SoraFirestorm> I just
started a new singleplayer world with the specific goal of using
computers whenever possible lately
L635[17:25:33] <beetle> Yeah the official
wiki says you just smelt the raw boards to get the printed ones, no
grog or anything
L636[17:25:37] <awoo> sO I
MAX OUT ON COMPONENTS RATHER QUICKLY
<awoo> sO I
MAX OUT ON COMPONENTS RATHER QUICKLYL637[17:25:57] <SoraFirestorm> awoo: yeah,
it's by design apparently, people have told Reika it's stupid, he
didn't listen
L638[17:26:02] <beetle> i would rather eat
glass than make more grog
L639[17:26:19] <beetle> maybe i can get my
friend to upgrade it for my sanity
L640[17:26:42] <awoo>
ngl
<awoo>
nglL641[17:26:48] <SoraFirestorm> I'd
honestly be hesistant to change the setting (it's literally just a
setting) if you're using a prebuilt
L642[17:27:01] <awoo> read
over some things reika has said
<awoo> read
over some things reika has saidL643[17:27:02] <SoraFirestorm> Whoever
configured it did so on purpose, and you risk breaking it
L644[17:27:13] <awoo> don't
really like him
<awoo> don't
really like himL645[17:27:24] <SoraFirestorm> I wanted to
get into RotaryCraft and ElectriCraft
L646[17:27:42] <beetle> We just downloaded
the bevo kit that's available on atl
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L648[17:27:52] <SoraFirestorm> but I was
like 'what am I supposed to work for?' and dropped it
L649[17:27:56] <beetle> no real
"configuration" went into it
L650[17:28:06] <SoraFirestorm> *you*
didn't configure it
L651[17:28:10] <SoraFirestorm> *someone*
did
L653[17:29:01] <beetle> i guess the most
important question is
L654[17:29:13] <beetle> is the new version
compatible with 1.7.10 MC
L655[17:29:26] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, Reika
has kinda worked himself into a spot where he doesn't really care
what other people think
L656[17:29:46] <SoraFirestorm> I think a
lot of the drama that ended up getting redirected to him basically
made him go 'fuck it'
L657[17:30:06] <SoraFirestorm> There is a
newer version than what you have, yes
L658[17:30:18] <SoraFirestorm> But
upgrading isn't going to help
L659[17:30:26] <SoraFirestorm> It won't
change the recipes
L660[17:30:32] <SoraFirestorm> That's a
configuration option
L661[17:30:40] <SoraFirestorm> And the new
version will still respect it
L662[17:31:02] <beetle> oh ok
L663[17:31:59] <SoraFirestorm> and again,
I would recommend against changing it
L664[17:32:14] <SoraFirestorm> you have no
idea what that might break
L665[17:32:25] <beetle> I understand
L666[17:32:34] <SoraFirestorm> It's
probably nothing, but don't just change the recipe set without
testing/confirming
L667[17:36:01] <beetle> how do i get one
of these irc disks in survival so i can ping back here when I get a
good computer running on my server?
L668[17:36:24] <SoraFirestorm> uhm
L669[17:36:26] <SoraFirestorm> ~w loot
disk
L670[17:36:26] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/item:loot_disks
L671[17:36:48] <SoraFirestorm> ah, you can
craft them
L672[17:36:52] <SoraFirestorm> (according
to the wiki)
L673[17:37:18] <beetle> oh i see
L674[17:37:43] <SoraFirestorm> You'll need
a disk and a screench
L675[17:37:46] <beetle> scrench is a
disgusting word
L676[17:37:48] <beetle> i love it
L677[17:37:53] <SoraFirestorm>
s/screench/scrench/
L678[17:37:55] <MichiBot>
<SoraFirestorm> You'll need a disk and a scrench
L679[17:39:00] <beetle> guh its so nasty
to say aloud
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L681[17:55:31] <Inari> a moist
scrench
L682[18:13:11] <SoraFirestorm> %tonk
L683[18:13:11] <MichiBot> Avada Kedavra!
SoraFirestorm! You beat your own previous record of 48 minutes and
38 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L684[18:13:12] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm's
new record is 1 hour, 5 minutes and 21 seconds! 16 minutes and 43
seconds gained!
L685[18:14:58] <AmandaC> RIP Sora
L686[18:15:09] <SoraFirestorm> ?
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L688[18:15:11] <SoraFirestorm> I
ded?
L689[18:15:37] <AmandaC> Not a HP fan, I
assume?
L690[18:16:04] <SoraFirestorm> hmmm, okay,
now I understand what you mean
L691[18:16:16] <SoraFirestorm> That must
be a hurty-maimy type spell
L692[18:16:41] <AmandaC> It's the killing
curse
L693[18:17:04] <SoraFirestorm> That sounds
particularly hurty-maimy indeed
L694[18:26:44] <AmandaC> %choose ☔ or
?
L695[18:26:45] <MichiBot> AmandaC: ☔ is
for cool kids!
L696[18:26:50] <AmandaC> Hrrrrm
L697[18:26:54] <AmandaC> Okay, I
guess
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L706[19:14:55] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L707[19:14:55] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
CompanionCube, you were not able to beat SoraFirestorm's record of
1 hour, 5 minutes and 21 seconds this time.
L708[19:14:56] <MichiBot> 1 hour, 1 minute
and 44 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 minutes and 37
seconds!
L709[19:15:03] <CompanionCube>
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
L710[19:15:34] <SoraFirestorm> haha
L711[19:15:48] <SoraFirestorm> I still
have that screenshot of Reika from earlier open
L712[19:16:05] <SoraFirestorm> like...
it's so painfully obvious that he doesn't understand how
OpenComputers works
L713[19:16:13] <CompanionCube> what?
L715[19:18:03] <SoraFirestorm>
<awoo> ngl [15:24]
<awoo> ngl [15:24]L716[19:18:03] <SoraFirestorm>
<awoo> how rotarycraft works annoys
me
<awoo> how rotarycraft works annoys
meL717[19:18:03] <SoraFirestorm>
<awoo> sO I MAX OUT ON COMPONENTS RATHER
QUICKLY
<awoo> sO I MAX OUT ON COMPONENTS RATHER
QUICKLYL718[19:18:03] <SoraFirestorm>
<awoo> because shafts seem to be both
components and cables
<awoo> because shafts seem to be both
components and cablesL719[19:20:33] <SoraFirestorm> Context:
RotaryCraft shafts (think energy duct) are *each* an OC
component
L720[19:20:35] <Skye> It's probably not
worth fighting over.
L721[19:20:35] <CompanionCube> why would
you knowingly cause the limits to be be broken out of the box for
no good reason
L722[19:20:50] <SoraFirestorm> It's not.
It's just sad.
L723[19:20:58] <SoraFirestorm> 'course,
I'm probably prone to doing that too sometimes
L724[19:21:51] <SoraFirestorm> heh he
closed his Github issue tracker for RotaryCraft
L725[19:21:56] <Skye> CompanionCube: I
suspect its misinterpreting an honest request as something
malicious due to how they seemed to have been given a lot of grief
because of their mod.
L726[19:22:32] <SoraFirestorm> yeah
L727[19:22:34] <SoraFirestorm> I said this
earlier
L728[19:23:21] <SoraFirestorm> I think
that Reika got to a point where he gave exactly 0 fucks because he
thought that someone somewhere would take an opportunity to blame
him for literally anything and everything going wrong if his mods
were involved
L729[19:24:18] <SoraFirestorm> which, ugh,
is just horrifically frustrating on so many levels
L730[19:24:42] <SoraFirestorm> and by that
I mean that his getting to the point isn't even entirely his
fault
L731[19:26:04] <Skye> I dunno if there is
a way to fix it, so just have to deal with the fact that you need a
T3 server to use that mods stuff.
L732[19:26:20] <SoraFirestorm> I can't
think of a movie/game analogy to this situation,
L733[19:26:49] <SoraFirestorm> Skye: the
way to fix it is for Reika to fix it so that a line of shafts is
one component
L734[19:27:06] <SoraFirestorm> Not
happening :P
L735[19:27:08] <SoraFirestorm>
anyways
L736[19:27:36] <SoraFirestorm> it's like,
someone, well-meaning but perhaps kinda... self-unaware
L737[19:27:45] <SoraFirestorm> and they
make an honest mistake
L738[19:28:30] <SoraFirestorm> or they get
blamed for something that isn't their fault
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L740[19:28:54] <SoraFirestorm> and people
rag on them, and they don't really realize how to resolve the
issue
L741[19:28:59] <SoraFirestorm> from a
social-sense
L742[19:29:25] <SoraFirestorm> So then
they think they tried to resolve the issue, but no one else is
satisfied
L743[19:29:52] <Skye> Also OC is balanced
differently to their mods
L744[19:29:55] <SoraFirestorm> But they
kinda get annoyed that people are mad at them
L745[19:30:04] <Skye> Which might confuse
things even more
L746[19:30:25] <SoraFirestorm> So the next
time it happens, in literally the same way, it just frustrates them
more, and it frustrates others more too
L747[19:30:30] <Skye> And also I don't
think they use OC, so when people make demands they might be a but
confused as to what they mean.
L748[19:30:43] <Skye> As in the nuances of
what a component is
L749[19:31:15] <Skye> So being told
"do this" would be frustrating without much context
L750[19:31:18] <SoraFirestorm> And they
get to a point to where they're tired of basically coming out of
every situation as the loser and just say 'it doesn't matter,
people are going to hate on me anyways'
L751[19:31:45] <Skye> It's a shame
L752[19:31:50] <SoraFirestorm> oh oh
oh
L753[19:31:54] <SoraFirestorm> It's almost
like the Incredibles
L754[19:32:10] <SoraFirestorm> The kid
tried to help, wasn't being helpful, didn't understand
L755[19:32:15] <SoraFirestorm> and just
got to a point of 'well fuck it'
L756[19:32:30] <Skye> That's not a great
analogy
L757[19:32:36] <SoraFirestorm> I tried
;-;
L758[19:32:42] <SoraFirestorm> >almost
like
L759[19:32:53] <Skye> It implies they're
evil.
L760[19:32:55] <Skye> :p
L761[19:33:11] <SoraFirestorm> No it
doesn't
L762[19:34:38] <Skye> My summary: Internet
is a toxic place, they got burnt, which means that they don't trust
random people anymore.
L763[19:34:48] <SoraFirestorm> yeah,
that's the tl;dr
L764[19:34:52] <Skye> A loss for all
L765[19:35:42] <SoraFirestorm> yeah
:(
L766[19:36:25] <awoo> i'm
usually pretty salty so yeah
<awoo> i'm
usually pretty salty so yeahL767[19:36:55] <awoo> might
make a mod that adds in shafts that don't function as OC components
but idk if i can
<awoo> might
make a mod that adds in shafts that don't function as OC components
but idk if i canL768[19:37:48] <SoraFirestorm> For as
configurable as I know those mods are,
L769[19:38:01] <SoraFirestorm> is there a
way to turn off OC integration?
L770[19:38:23] <Skye> You could probably
monkeypatch it but I'm not sure how that'd like that
L771[19:38:32] <Skye> And monkeypatching
is hard.
L772[19:38:49] <Skye> And might be against
their licence
L773[19:39:06] <awoo>
hmm
<awoo>
hmmL774[19:39:17] <awoo> it'd
be a separate block
<awoo> it'd
be a separate blockL775[19:39:22] <Skye> And you'd also need
to patch the error code to make it clear that any error from
rotarycraft is actually your fault and you should not report it to
them.
L776[19:39:29] <Skye> Hmm
L777[19:39:38] <Skye> If its an api, and
not monkeypatching
L778[19:39:46] <Skye> Then you're more in
luck.
L779[19:40:00] <awoo>
yeah
<awoo>
yeahL780[19:40:17] <Skye> See if there's an
api?
L781[19:40:23] <awoo> time
to remember how to program in java
<awoo> time
to remember how to program in javaL782[19:40:29] <Skye> Hah
L783[19:40:35] <Skye> Goodnight from
me.
L784[19:40:40] <Skye> Awuu
L785[19:40:40] <SoraFirestorm> o/
L786[19:41:39] <awoo>
nite
<awoo>
niteL787[19:43:30] <SoraFirestorm> am I still
connected?
L788[19:43:34] <SoraFirestorm> seems like
it
L789[19:43:38] <Z0idburg>
no
<Z0idburg>
noL790[19:43:44] <Z0idburg>
disconnect and try again
<Z0idburg>
disconnect and try againL791[19:43:45] <SoraFirestorm> oh, okay...
htanks
L792[19:44:37] <Z0idburg>
so the shadow gaming network doesn't work with nvidia graphics on
Linux
<Z0idburg>
so the shadow gaming network doesn't work with nvidia graphics on
LinuxL793[19:45:44] <CompanionCube> you're in
luck
L794[19:45:45] <CompanionCube> 'These mods
are provided freely and may be decompiled and modified for private
use, either with a decompiler or a bytecode editor. '
L795[19:47:30] <awoo>
hmm?
<awoo>
hmm?L796[19:48:09] <awoo>
CompanionCube: ?
<awoo>
CompanionCube: ?L797[19:48:18] <SoraFirestorm> referring
to Reika's mods, probably
L798[19:48:21] <CompanionCube> that's
reika's license
L799[19:48:49] <awoo>
oh
<awoo>
ohL800[19:48:55] <awoo> i
c
<awoo> i
cL801[19:57:41] ⇦
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L806[22:07:21] <⛈9> Huh, I
guess I got a really different take on Reika, given how he
threatened to sue me. ?
<⛈9> Huh, I
guess I got a really different take on Reika, given how he
threatened to sue me. ?L807[22:07:52] <SoraFirestorm> :|
L808[22:07:55] <awoo>
wtf
<awoo>
wtfL809[22:08:07] <⛈9> Modpack
stuff back when I ran one.
<⛈9> Modpack
stuff back when I ran one.L810[22:08:26] <SoraFirestorm> ugh
L811[22:08:41] <SoraFirestorm> I've never
ever subscribed to any of that territorial garbage
L812[22:08:58] <⛈9> So, I
recently did a bunch o training inside google and I found out there
are a ton of OC fans in google.
<⛈9> So, I
recently did a bunch o training inside google and I found out there
are a ton of OC fans in google.L813[22:09:02] <⛈9> Just
thought I'd share that here
<⛈9> Just
thought I'd share that hereL814[22:09:07] <SoraFirestorm> I mean,
that makes sense
L815[22:09:10] <⛈9> There
is an internal private server and uh, let me just say
<⛈9> There
is an internal private server and uh, let me just sayL816[22:09:18] <⛈9> There
are OC integrations for google infrastructure.
<⛈9> There
are OC integrations for google infrastructure.L817[22:09:19] <SoraFirestorm>
>internal private server
L818[22:09:23] <SoraFirestorm> That sounds
amazing
L819[22:09:28] <SoraFirestorm> Of course
there is :P
L820[22:09:29] <⛈9> Yeah
it's not on the public internet
<⛈9> Yeah
it's not on the public internetL821[22:09:38] ⇦
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L822[22:10:06] <⛈9> ANyways
hey don't tweet that around plz it's not like confidential but I'd
rather not have my name on reddit. ?
<⛈9> ANyways
hey don't tweet that around plz it's not like confidential but I'd
rather not have my name on reddit. ?L823[22:10:42] <⛈9> But
yeah, there are lua variants of some internal google comms toosl so
you can can use them from OC machines.
<⛈9> But
yeah, there are lua variants of some internal google comms toosl so
you can can use them from OC machines.L824[22:10:44] <⛈9> Which
is hilarious.
<⛈9> Which
is hilarious.L825[22:10:46] <CompanionCube> ...the
concept of having in-game integrations for internal corporate
infrastructure comes off as weird
L826[22:11:09] <⛈9> Google
has a private universe
<⛈9> Google
has a private universeL827[22:11:20] <⛈9> My work
experience is fundamentally different from a normal internet.
<⛈9> My work
experience is fundamentally different from a normal internet.L828[22:11:30] <⛈9> Sadly,
I am not allowed to detail how.
<⛈9> Sadly,
I am not allowed to detail how.L829[22:11:50] <⛈9> But:
it's unsurprising that programmible games end up that way. It's not
the only game that has this.
<⛈9> But:
it's unsurprising that programmible games end up that way. It's not
the only game that has this.L830[22:13:31]
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L831[22:14:51] <SoraFirestorm> Given that
it's /Google/, I'd be surprised if they didn't do this on a regular
basis
L833[22:27:49] <awoo>
discord aur wants me to compile libc++
<awoo>
discord aur wants me to compile libc++L834[22:29:34] <⛈9>
Welp
<⛈9>
WelpL835[22:30:48] <Izaya> consider
also:
L836[22:31:00] <Izaya> not using immoral
user-hostile software
L837[22:31:36] <awoo> tl;dr
discord and linux make me want to blow my brains out
<awoo> tl;dr
discord and linux make me want to blow my brains outL838[22:31:45] <awoo> also
boy do i hate arch linux
<awoo> also
boy do i hate arch linuxL839[22:31:56] <awoo> why
did i install this distro
<awoo> why
did i install this distroL840[22:32:07] <Izaya> rice threads on
/g/
L841[22:33:30] <ba7888b72413a16a> https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html
L842[22:34:08] <awoo>
Izaya: i don't even look at rice threads
<awoo>
Izaya: i don't even look at rice threadsL843[22:34:16] <awoo> i use
fucking cinnamon of all DEs
<awoo> i use
fucking cinnamon of all DEsL844[22:34:22] <ba7888b72413a16a> https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/top?t=all
L845[22:35:19] <awoo> time
to make an alternative to discord
<awoo> time
to make an alternative to discordL846[22:35:35] <awoo> give
me one hot second to mock something up with SDL or love2d or
something
<awoo> give
me one hot second to mock something up with SDL or love2d or
somethingL847[22:36:02] *
Izaya gives awoo an IRC client, gajim, and mumble
L848[22:36:20] <SoraFirestorm> I don't
even understand how every time a new chat thinger becomes popular,
it inevitably does Bad Things(tm) in the background
L849[22:36:58] <SoraFirestorm> The open
source people just get shafted in the adoption rate
department
L850[22:37:12] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm: 99%
of the time it's commercial and to have any reasonable market
penetration you need to be free so they have to find other ways to
monetise
L851[22:37:36] <Izaya> that or just run at
a loss like 99% of google's stuff
L852[22:38:05] <SoraFirestorm> ugh you'd
think that we'd finally figure out how to run freakin' federated
shit at this point
L853[22:38:18] *
Izaya gives SoraFirestorm matrix and XMPP
L854[22:38:38] <awoo> i
have an IRC client
<awoo> i
have an IRC clientL855[22:38:41] <SoraFirestorm> But *no one
is using it*, not in any meaningful way like people use
Skype/Discord/Gwhatevers
L856[22:38:49] <Izaya> so do something
about it
L857[22:38:53] <awoo> i
just want something with more permanent message history
<awoo> i
just want something with more permanent message historyL858[22:39:03] <awoo> so
time to make my own shit and open source everything
<awoo> so
time to make my own shit and open source everythingL859[22:39:05] <ba7888b72413a16a>
SoraFirestorm: you can tell people to use alternative encrypted
texting services
L860[22:39:11] *
Izaya gives awoo gajim, again
L861[22:39:15] <SoraFirestorm> people
don't want to do that shit
L862[22:39:22] <SoraFirestorm> *I* don't
want to do that shit
L863[22:39:50] <awoo> also
i am gonna roll my own garbage if at all possible
<awoo> also
i am gonna roll my own garbage if at all possibleL864[22:40:09] <SoraFirestorm> Granted,
it's really good, but I have literally a single group of people who
my primary contact use is Signal PM
L865[22:40:10] <awoo> i
mean i made a fancier IRC-esque thing with a friend
<awoo> i
mean i made a fancier IRC-esque thing with a friendL866[22:40:23] <awoo> but
we used node.js so it was pretty terrible
<awoo> but
we used node.js so it was pretty terribleL867[22:40:55] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: if,
some way some how, I could convince everyone around me to switch to
using federated XMPP, I'd do it in a heartbeat
L868[22:41:07] <Izaya> get to work
then
L869[22:41:13] *
Izaya has more or less done it with their RL friends
L870[22:41:23] <SoraFirestorm> wow you
have easy friends
L871[22:41:42] <Izaya> there's that one
fucktard that can't live without corporate cock but he's kind of a
dick anyway so whatever
L872[22:41:45] <SoraFirestorm> like, I
don't mean that as an insult
L873[22:41:53] <awoo> so
the only real problem is one of my close friends only has a
chromebook and his phone atm
<awoo> so
the only real problem is one of my close friends only has a
chromebook and his phone atmL874[22:42:04] *
Izaya gives awoo converse.js
L875[22:42:08] <awoo> so i
have to get over my hatred of JS for a bit
<awoo> so i
have to get over my hatred of JS for a bitL876[22:42:17] <awoo> or
just use fengari
<awoo> or
just use fengariL877[22:42:21] <awoo> i
might just use fengari
<awoo> i
might just use fengariL878[22:42:26] <awoo> i
don't like touching JS
<awoo> i
don't like touching JSL879[22:42:34] <Izaya> can't you unlock
chromebooks to let them run loonix software anyway?
L880[22:42:42] <Izaya> they're just a
weird gentoo-based distro
L881[22:42:50] <awoo>
yeah
<awoo>
yeahL882[22:42:51] <SoraFirestorm> I mean, you
*can*
L883[22:42:58] <awoo> but
my friend has basically said he can't be assed
<awoo> but
my friend has basically said he can't be assedL884[22:42:58] <SoraFirestorm> Good luck
convincing Joe User to do that
L885[22:43:03] <SoraFirestorm> ^
L886[22:43:12] <awoo> he'll
just wait for the parts for his new pc
<awoo> he'll
just wait for the parts for his new pcL888[22:43:49] <SoraFirestorm> If I could
cut down on my Discord usage, I would
L890[22:44:01] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not a
fan of proprietary services anyways
L892[22:44:13] <awoo> i
feel lied to
<awoo> i
feel lied toL893[22:44:24] <SoraFirestorm> shit, maybe
I ought to *finally* get a VPS and (among other things) run an XMPP
node on it
L894[22:44:37] <awoo> i
have a "server"
<awoo> i
have a "server"L895[22:44:38] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm:
Prosody, Pleroma and Gitea :D
L896[22:44:43] <awoo> it's
some terrible HP laptop
<awoo> it's
some terrible HP laptopL897[22:44:53] <Izaya> awoo: looking for a
Lua XMPP library?
L898[22:44:56] <awoo>
*desktop
<awoo>
*desktopL899[22:45:02] <SoraFirestorm> I can't run
anything inside my 4 walls
L900[22:45:09] <awoo>
Izaya: Yes, also use @awoo
<awoo>
Izaya: Yes, also use @awooL901[22:45:10] <SoraFirestorm> I basically
*must* use a VPS
L902[22:45:23] <Izaya> awoo: I forget what
it's called but it's by the same author as prosody
L903[22:45:24] <awoo>
anyways tl;dr desktop is basically laptop
<awoo>
anyways tl;dr desktop is basically laptopL904[22:45:37] <awoo> it's
got the E1-2500 APU
<awoo> it's
got the E1-2500 APUL905[22:45:55] <Izaya> cute
L906[22:46:02] <awoo> it
sucks
<awoo> it
sucksL907[22:46:10] <SoraFirestorm> honestly,
I'd selfhost a Gitlab
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L909[22:46:21] <Adorable-Catgirl> it
really sucks
L910[22:46:27] <Izaya> awoo: ah, it's
called Verse and it's by the same author as Prosody
L911[22:46:35] <Adorable-Catgirl> oh,
aight
L912[22:46:40] <SoraFirestorm> oh yuck
go
L913[22:46:44] <Adorable-Catgirl> also
just message me on here
L914[22:46:49] <SoraFirestorm> no,
definitely not gitea then
L915[22:46:49] <Adorable-Catgirl> G
O
L916[22:46:55] <Izaya> http://matthewwild.co.uk/projects/verse/verse_doc.xml
L917[22:46:57] <SoraFirestorm> I do not
like Go
L918[22:46:59] <Adorable-Catgirl> i mean i
use gogs
L919[22:47:05] <Adorable-Catgirl> it's
made with go
L920[22:47:09] <Adorable-Catgirl> it works
okay
L921[22:47:14] <SoraFirestorm> It's sense
of self-importance is questionable
L922[22:47:16] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm: I'm
not a fan of Go either, but it's either have 8GB of RAM used for
gitlab or use Gogs/Gitea
L923[22:47:33] <Adorable-Catgirl> go >
js tbh
L924[22:47:34] <SoraFirestorm> I don't
care how smart Rob Pike is or how dumb he thinks everyone else
is
L925[22:47:45] <Adorable-Catgirl> i use
lua for everything
L926[22:47:53] <Adorable-Catgirl> so i
can't really say too much
L927[22:47:53] <SoraFirestorm> Does Gitlab
really use that much memory? yuck
L928[22:47:59] <Izaya> yeah the
requirements are insane
L929[22:48:08] <Adorable-Catgirl> let's
remake everything with lua
L930[22:48:24] <SoraFirestorm> I just
don't like how Go makes it basically as hard as possible to be a
casual user
L931[22:48:38] <Adorable-Catgirl> i
mean
L932[22:48:55] <SoraFirestorm> Can't even
*build* Go shit without it having *it's own fucking language path*
because apparently it's *just that special*
L933[22:49:13] <SoraFirestorm>
./autogen.sh && ./configure && make
L934[22:49:20] <SoraFirestorm> How fucking
hard is it?
L935[22:49:24] <SoraFirestorm> ugh
L936[22:49:24] <Adorable-Catgirl> i
mean
L937[22:49:55] <Adorable-Catgirl> gogs was
ez to install
L938[22:50:04] <Adorable-Catgirl> iirc i
just extracted it and ran it
L939[22:50:39] <Izaya> that's the upside I
guess, if you trust pre-compiled binaries outside of your package
manager, you can just DL it and run it
L940[22:51:08] <SoraFirestorm> in general,
I don't
L941[22:51:17] <Adorable-Catgirl> Izaya:
also thanks for the library
L942[22:51:33] <SoraFirestorm> the last
time I wanted to use a program written in Go,
L943[22:51:48] <SoraFirestorm> The
'pre-compiled form' was a damn Docker container
L944[22:52:15] <Izaya> jesus christ I
looked into ... something I forget what
L945[22:52:28] <Izaya> and the only builds
available were docker
L946[22:52:47] <SoraFirestorm> So in this
case I didn't really have much of a choice anyways
L947[22:53:01] <Adorable-Catgirl> so
L948[22:53:03] <Izaya> and when you looked
into it it was just like, 4 commands to install requisite packages,
some musl binaries and a few config files
L949[22:53:06] <Adorable-Catgirl>
tbh
L950[22:53:18] <Adorable-Catgirl> turion
64 x2 still werks in 2019
L951[22:54:38] <SoraFirestorm> honestly
depending on what you need, older CPUs work fine
L952[22:55:15] <Izaya> the issue with them
is much more often power consumption than computing power
L953[22:56:00] <Adorable-Catgirl> ^
L954[22:56:17] <Adorable-Catgirl> battery
is dying and it's a power hungry POS
L955[22:56:28] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, I
suppose
L956[22:56:41] <Adorable-Catgirl> also the
GPU is terrible
L957[22:57:13] <Adorable-Catgirl> like, on
my laptop
L958[22:57:16] <Izaya> tfw Atom N270
laptop that will run forever on 10-year-old batteries
L959[22:57:35] <Izaya> it's half as
powerful as a Pentium 4, but I can get 10 hours out of it under
Haiku :D
L960[22:59:07] <Adorable-Catgirl> HD
3100
L961[22:59:11] <Adorable-Catgirl>
sucks
L962[22:59:24] <Izaya> GMA945 laughs at
you
L963[22:59:27] <SoraFirestorm> If I wasn't
such a heatseeker I'd probably get something low powered
L964[22:59:51] <Adorable-Catgirl> wait
isn't the HD 3100 faster than the GMA945?
L965[22:59:58] <Izaya> that's the
joke
L966[23:00:10] <Adorable-Catgirl> i can't
remember how intel names their shit
L967[23:00:10] *
Izaya is waiting to upgrade till RISC-V boards are available for
reasonable prices
L968[23:00:45] <Adorable-Catgirl> all i
remember was the GMA 3100 was a terrible "GPU" which
didn't even work correctly in DX9 applications.
L969[23:00:53] <SoraFirestorm> oh man I
want RISC-V so hard
L970[23:01:04] <Adorable-Catgirl> and
playing even 720p video on it sucked hard
L971[23:01:12] <Izaya> well
L972[23:01:17] <Izaya> said laptop can't
play 720p video
L973[23:01:19] <Izaya> so
L974[23:01:24] <Izaya> :D
L975[23:01:40] <Adorable-Catgirl> the GMA
X4500(whatever) was okay tho
L976[23:01:48] <Adorable-Catgirl> it could
do 720p video iirc
L977[23:03:39] <Adorable-Catgirl> but
ay
L978[23:03:41] <Adorable-Catgirl> on
windows
L979[23:04:02] <Adorable-Catgirl> the
Chell driver for the earlier GMA series GPUs was p good
L980[23:08:55] <SoraFirestorm> mpd yu no
werk
L981[23:11:10] <Izaya> >fatal error in
gc thread
L982[23:11:14] <Izaya> aaaaaaaaaa fucking
unity
L983[23:13:16] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L984[23:13:17] <MichiBot> Fudge!
CompanionCube! You beat SoraFirestorm's previous record of 1 hour,
5 minutes and 21 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L985[23:13:18] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's
new record is 3 hours, 58 minutes and 21 seconds! 2 hours and 53
minutes gained!
L986[23:13:22] <SoraFirestorm> noooo
L987[23:13:23] <SoraFirestorm> nooo
L988[23:13:26] <SoraFirestorm>
nooooooooooooooooooo
L989[23:13:50] <CompanionCube> hm
L990[23:14:00] <CompanionCube> would've
been nice to hit a round 4h
L991[23:15:09] <Adorable-Catgirl> unity
lol
L992[23:15:22] <Adorable-Catgirl> i mean i
last did things with source but lol
L993[23:15:36] <Izaya> >install the
native version
L994[23:15:38] <Izaya> >it works
now
L995[23:15:40] <Izaya> WHAT
L996[23:15:42] *
CompanionCube tries to minimise the discords he's in
L997[23:15:52] <CompanionCube> and i only
use the webapp
L998[23:16:02] <CompanionCube> fuck their
so-called 'desktop' app
L999[23:16:27] <SoraFirestorm> It's
literally just an Electron app
L1000[23:16:32] <SoraFirestorm> Because
that's the fad right now
L1001[23:16:36] <SoraFirestorm> I just
don't like Electron
L1002[23:16:40] <Adorable-Catgirl>
^
L1003[23:16:42] <CompanionCube>
exactly
L1004[23:16:51] <Izaya>
"native" software is just a webpage except it can monitor
what you do better
L1005[23:16:56] <CompanionCube> that's
why i'm boycotting it
L1006[23:16:59] <Adorable-Catgirl> i
fucking hate electron with a passion
L1007[23:17:11] <Adorable-Catgirl>
actually i just really hate JS
L1008[23:17:17] <SoraFirestorm> The web
browser is just a piss-poor runtime
L1009[23:17:41] <SoraFirestorm> It's
really a shame that Signal, which is otherwise pretty good, also
fails in this aspect
L1010[23:18:30] *
CompanionCube thinks JS is a shitlang but doesn't really hate the
thing itself
L1011[23:18:43] <Izaya> so uh
L1012[23:18:51] <Izaya> 7 Days to Die, it
previously didn't work
L1013[23:18:58] <Adorable-Catgirl> but
again, i use lua for everything, so i can't say much
L1014[23:19:05] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, JS
is pretty garbage
L1015[23:19:08] <Izaya> I installed the
Windows version, that crashed before loading, then installed the
Linux version, and it now works
L1016[23:19:12] <Izaya> and runs really
well
L1017[23:19:15] *
Izaya is so confused
L1018[23:19:18] <SoraFirestorm> just
*ugh* rediculous typecasting rules
L1019[23:19:28] <CompanionCube> maybe
bitflipped during download
L1020[23:19:36] <SoraFirestorm>
Adorable-Catgirl: Lua isn't the most terrible choice to do
everything in
L1021[23:19:40] <Izaya> but I verified
the files when it was kill
L1022[23:19:55] <Izaya> Adorable-Catgirl:
Lua is fast and light I see no problem with this
L1023[23:20:01] <SoraFirestorm> Lua is
actually pretty great, I just don't often find things that Lua fits
for
L1024[23:20:05] <CompanionCube>
weirf
L1025[23:20:10] <Adorable-Catgirl>
RaptorJIT looks neat tho
L1026[23:20:10] <Izaya> in addition, it's
relatively sane
L1027[23:20:28] <Izaya> you know, {} + {}
is not "NaN" it's what the fuck are you doing trying to
add two tables together
L1028[23:20:35] <SoraFirestorm>
Exactly
L1029[23:20:44] <Adorable-Catgirl>
wait
L1030[23:21:05] <Adorable-Catgirl> can i
do the 5 + + + + + + + + - - + - + - + - + - + - - + 5 bullshit in
lua?
L1031[23:21:16] <SoraFirestorm> probably
not
L1032[23:21:24] <Adorable-Catgirl> cool,
i can't
L1033[23:21:31] <Adorable-Catgirl> why
the fuck can i do that
L1034[23:21:34] <Adorable-Catgirl> in
JS?
L1035[23:21:45] <SoraFirestorm> Because
it has rediculous typecasting rules
L1036[23:21:45] <Izaya> poor design and
implementation
L1037[23:21:52] <SoraFirestorm> Where
"something is better than nothing"
L1038[23:22:17] <Izaya> god I feel so
brainlet rn
L1039[23:22:29] <Izaya> was trying to
figure out why my 7DTD server isn't being port forwarded
L1040[23:22:44] <Adorable-Catgirl> so how
about terra tho
L1041[23:22:54] <Izaya> Because the
forwarding is pointing at the wrong fucking network is why.
L1042[23:26:51] <Adorable-Catgirl> hey i
forgot i needed to finish that library
L1043[23:27:24] <Mimiru> %tonk
L1044[23:27:24] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Mimiru, you were not able to beat CompanionCube's record of 3
hours, 58 minutes and 21 seconds this time.
L1045[23:27:25] <MichiBot> 14 minutes and
7 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours, 44 minutes and 14
seconds!
L1046[23:27:29] <Mimiru> damn..
L1047[23:27:48] <CompanionCube> You're
welcome.
L1048[23:28:30] <Adorable-Catgirl> brb,
hopping on my phone now
L1049[23:28:38] <Adorable-Catgirl> gotta
grab an IRC client xddd
L1050[23:28:47]
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L1051[23:30:19] <Izaya> https://wasabi.lynnesbian.space/the-slum-bucket/media_attachments/files/000/179/505/original/9a4fdd3fa27d900a.jpeg
L1052[23:33:56]
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L1053[23:33:59] <Adorable-Catgirl>
ok
L1054[23:34:14]
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L1055[23:34:27] <Adorable-Catgirl>
lol
L1056[23:38:51]
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L1057[23:56:17] <SoraFirestorm> alright,
I think I'm off for a bit
L1058[23:56:22] <SoraFirestorm> I'll be
back... eventually
L1059[23:56:23] <SoraFirestorm> o/
L1060[23:56:24]
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