L1[00:11:56] 
<Kleadron>
wasn't there a way to get the cpu architecture
<Kleadron>
wasn't there a way to get the cpu architectureL2[00:15:29] <Wuerfel_21>
doing something that is illegal in Lua 5.2 and catching the
exception?
<Wuerfel_21>
doing something that is illegal in Lua 5.2 and catching the
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L4[00:37:03] <Kleadron> just figured out
there is a _VERSION variable that tells you what the lua version
is
L5[00:55:36] <Kleadron> alright so the
window order has been changed in my reactor program so that the
easy info bars take up half the screen space and allow the more
detailed information to stretch upwards and display more of
it
L6[01:15:59] <Izaya> finally got around to
pushing and shit https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-PsychOS2
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L9[01:59:19] <CompanionCube> differences vs
v1?
L10[01:59:38] <Izaya> the whole thing
L11[01:59:41] <Izaya> :D
L12[02:00:17] <CompanionCube> ...
L13[02:00:28] <CompanionCube> you know what
I meant :P
L14[02:00:57] <Izaya> well I rewrote it,
hopefully it's cleaner and saner, went more unixy this time with a
lua bent
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L17[02:01:30] <Mimiru> %tonk
L18[02:01:39] <Mimiru> Finally got home and
could ssh
L19[02:02:07] <MichiBot> Aw jeez! Mimiru!
You beat TheFox's previous record of 9 hours, 13 minutes and 19
seconds! I hope you're happy!
L20[02:02:10] <MichiBot> Mimiru's new
record is 11 hours, 24 minutes and 37 seconds! 2 hours, 11 minutes
and 17 seconds gained!
L21[02:02:17] <Mimiru> %tonkout
L22[02:02:18] <MichiBot> Mimiru has tonked
out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.011 tonk points! Current
score: 0.022
L23[02:02:52] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
user-level/desigm changes?
L24[02:02:59] <Izaya> no user system
yet
L25[02:03:06] <Izaya> but uh
L26[02:03:21] <Izaya> we have a system for
unified I/O now
L27[02:03:26] <Izaya> 'unified'
L28[02:03:28] *
Izaya frowns
L29[02:04:13] <CompanionCube> so, more a
refinement of the original style than someting completely
different?
L30[02:04:21] *
Izaya nods
L31[02:04:55] <Izaya> basically all fds
should act the same, the FS lib is much better, scheduler is
somewhat cleaner if less smart, multi-monitor support is a thing,
an amount of ANSI escape codes are supported...
L32[02:06:08] <Izaya> it still uses
fuck-all memory
L33[02:06:12] <Izaya> and now it supports
Minitel
L34[02:06:15] <Izaya> :D
L35[02:07:02] <Izaya> CompanionCube: it
would not be inaccurate to say it's designed more as a programming
environment than an OS except for the lack of a good text
editor
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L37[02:07:56] <Kleadron>
make a graphical shell for PsychOS2
<Kleadron>
make a graphical shell for PsychOS2L38[02:08:15] <Izaya> doing that with VT100
escape codes sounds painful
L39[02:08:30] <Izaya> I'm gonna stick to
CLI
L40[02:08:31] <CompanionCube> so you could
say it's following in the Lisp/Smalltalk tradition in that
way?
L41[02:09:10] <Izaya> I suppose so
L42[02:09:19] <CompanionCube> Izaya: if you
ever want a nice CLI shell, look into IBM i/OS/400
L43[02:09:27] <Izaya> shell is a lua
prompt
L44[02:09:58] <Izaya> as it allows
interacting with the system both directly and in a rather powerful
manner without requiring another layer of abstraction
L45[02:10:07] <Izaya> in related weird
design decisions, from the shell, functions and executable files
are treated the same by the shell
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L47[02:10:44] <Izaya> ps() in the
screenshot is a file /boot/exec/ps.lua
L48[02:11:06] <CompanionCube> the mentioned
OS does an uncommon take on the combination of CLI/TUI
L49[02:11:15] <Izaya> https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-PsychOS2/src/branch/master/exec/ps.lua
L50[02:11:56] <Izaya> https://www.mcpressonline.com/images/images/stories/ArticleImages/2009/041709LennonFigure1.png
L51[02:11:59] <Izaya> ?
L52[02:12:10] <CompanionCube> yep
L53[02:12:36] <Izaya> This is the one that
treats in-memory objects and on-disk objects the same too
L54[02:12:40] <CompanionCube> it is
L55[02:12:46] <Forecaster>
%tonk
<Forecaster>
%tonkL56[02:12:48] <MichiBot> By my throth!
Forecaster! You beat Mimiru's previous record of <0! I hope
you're happy!
L57[02:12:49] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 10 minutes and 29 seconds! 10 minutes and 29 seconds
gained!
L58[02:12:56] <Izaya> weird stuff
L59[02:12:59] <Izaya> I like it
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L62[02:13:28] *
CompanionCube is on a freenode channel of people interested in
it
L63[02:13:31] <Izaya> oh CompanionCube get
this,
L64[02:13:41] <Izaya> I ported the OpenOS
minitel daemon and library to PsychOS2
L65[02:13:53] <CompanionCube> implementing
a proper GUI with VT100 is impossible
L66[02:13:55] <Izaya> but I didn't remove
anything, just walled it off in ifs
L67[02:14:08] <Izaya> so I now have a
daemon and library that works on both
L68[02:14:11] <Izaya> :D
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L70[02:14:35] <Izaya> Going to try to add
KOS NEO support also, so I can just maintain one version for all
platforms
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L73[02:15:58] <Izaya> ... can the Raptor CS
machines run IBM i?
L74[02:16:28] <CompanionCube> no
L75[02:16:33] <Izaya> aw
L76[02:16:54] <CompanionCube> at least I'd
expect not
L77[02:17:03] <Izaya> >Multics for a
considerably earlier system which provided persistent objects
L78[02:17:06] <Izaya> wot
L79[02:17:21] <CompanionCube> from what I
learned on freenode it requires special IBM disks in the
least.
L80[02:17:53] <CompanionCube> and then
there's the undocumented bits
L81[02:18:07] <Izaya> >Multics
implemented a single-level store for data access, discarding the
clear distinction between files (called segments in Multics) and
process memory.
L82[02:18:09] <Izaya> neat
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L85[02:18:59] <Izaya> so a thing that works
in PsychOS 2 that didn't work in the original: I can have a program
open a file with io.open, get the fd from the object io.open
returns, set an environment variable, then print() to the
file
L86[02:19:10] <CompanionCube> (iirc IBM i
uses undocumented POWER ISA extensions or similar, so unless raptor
magically reproduces those...)
L87[02:21:35] <CompanionCube> Izaya: a
single-level-store workstation OS would be interesting af
though
L88[02:21:51] <CompanionCube> and some of
the other bits would be cool too
L89[02:21:52] <Izaya> only nominally
possible in OC though I'm afraid
L90[02:22:06] <Izaya> I've mapped files
into a table before though, that was cool
L91[02:22:10] <CompanionCube> yeah
L92[02:22:15] <Izaya> you need lots of
memory to handle large files :|
L93[02:22:33] <CompanionCube> but I also
meant IRL
L94[02:23:16] <CompanionCube> (Even if
Android has basically copied one part, and BeFS/WinFS sort-of
another)
L95[02:23:43] <Izaya> it'd be a lot easier
with real OS hardware I think
L96[02:25:25] <Izaya> you could actually
trap unmapped memory and page it in on demand
L97[02:25:36] <Izaya> your RAM ends up as
another layer of cache
L98[02:27:30] *
Izaya hrms
L99[02:27:40] <Izaya> I still have some
wonkyness with the shell I want to work out :|
L100[02:27:49] <Izaya> ie you cna
backspace past the prompt
L101[02:27:49] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
optane/NVDIMM might make it a breeze eventually
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L104[02:31:47] <payonel> Izaya: tell me
what to buy for ed
L105[02:32:00] <Izaya> ?
L106[02:32:04] <Forecaster>
who's ed? :P
<Forecaster>
who's ed? :PL107[02:32:46] <payonel> E:D -> e;d [no
shift] -> ed [lazy]
L108[02:32:57] <payonel> e;d it is though,
i like that
L109[02:33:48] <Forecaster>
I just say Elite
<Forecaster>
I just say EliteL110[02:33:49] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL111[02:35:15] <payonel> elite, i like
that to
L112[02:35:16] <payonel> too*
L113[02:35:17] <Izaya> payonel: are you
talking ships or guns or input devices or what
L114[02:35:26] <payonel> i haven't even
installed the game yet
L115[02:35:35] <payonel> i want to buy a
joystick, and a rift
L116[02:35:46] <payonel> first i need to
set an appointment with my eye dr, to get some contacts
L117[02:35:52] <payonel> because i dont
like vr without contacts
L118[02:35:59] <payonel> i.e. with
glasses
L119[02:36:23] <Izaya> apparently the vive
handles VR with glasses more comfortably, but fair enough
L120[02:36:43] <payonel> %tonk
L121[02:36:44] <MichiBot> Dogast! payonel!
You beat Forecaster's previous record of 10 minutes and 29 seconds!
I hope you're happy!
L122[02:36:45] <MichiBot> payonel's new
record is 23 minutes and 56 seconds! 13 minutes and 27 seconds
gained!
L123[02:36:45] <Izaya> well, I'm using a
chinese Saitek X-45 clone
L124[02:37:12] <Izaya> but if you're fine
with no separate throttle Logitech sells some fairly cheap flight
sticks
L125[02:37:44] <Forecaster>
I honestly mostly play with a controller and my keyboard now
<Forecaster>
I honestly mostly play with a controller and my keyboard nowL126[02:37:54] <payonel> will i be happy
w/o vr?
L127[02:37:55] <Izaya> the ones I looked
at were the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro and the Thrustmaster T. Flight
Stick X
L128[02:38:08] <Izaya> but if you have an
xbox controller I'd advise trying that out first
L129[02:38:08] <Forecaster>
I don't have any VR either
<Forecaster>
I don't have any VR eitherL130[02:38:26] <Izaya> get used to the
game before investing $$$ in peripherals for it
L131[02:38:54] *
Izaya is too cheap for VR, put together a $10 head tracking setup
instead
L132[02:40:57] <payonel> yeah, i was going
to try the game for a while before buying extra peripherals
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L135[03:03:53] <Forecaster>
voice control is nice as well
<Forecaster>
voice control is nice as wellL137[03:04:36] <MichiBot> HTC VIVE -
VIVE Cosmos Trailer | length: 24s | Likes: 317 Dislikes: 131 Views: 21,658 | by HTC VIVE |
Published On 7/1/2019
L138[03:04:37] <Izaya> I need to look into
that more, VoiceAttack was great on Windows once I figured out how
to pirate it but I want to roll my own now that I have everything
on loonix
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L140[03:30:39] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L141[03:30:40] <MichiBot> Dagnammit!
CompanionCube! You beat payonel's previous record of 23 minutes and
56 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L142[03:30:41] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's
new record is 53 minutes and 56 seconds! 29 minutes and 59 seconds
gained!
L143[03:31:04] <CompanionCube> 29 minutes
59 seconds lol
L144[03:48:42] <Forecaster>
if you'd been 3 seconds faster the record would've been 53m
53s
<Forecaster>
if you'd been 3 seconds faster the record would've been 53m
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L147[04:22:42] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
https://my.mixtape.moe/gswmml.png
L148[04:28:48] <Izaya> it's even remotely
fast
L149[04:29:17] <Izaya> I should probably
write something to cache writes or this will be very painfully
slow
L150[04:32:04] <Bob>
o
<Bob>
oL151[04:32:25] <stephan48> %tonk
L152[04:32:26] <MichiBot> You got the
first Tonk stephan48, but this is only the beginning.
L153[04:32:37] <stephan48> huh?
L154[04:32:46] <Bob>
%tonk
<Bob>
%tonkL155[04:32:52] <Bob>
:hahAA:
<Bob>
:hahAA:L156[04:32:55] <Bob>
soon
<Bob>
soonL157[04:33:25] <Izaya> %tonk
L158[04:33:27] <Izaya> %tonk
L159[04:33:28] <MichiBot> Dogast! Izaya!
You beat stephan48's previous record of <0! I hope you're
happy!
L160[04:33:29] <MichiBot> Izaya's new
record is 1 hour, 2 minutes and 47 seconds! 1 hour, 2 minutes and
47 seconds gained!
L161[04:33:35] <Izaya> ???
L162[04:33:52] <Bob>
:awaitwhat:
<Bob>
:awaitwhat:L163[04:33:59] <Bob> u
broke it
<Bob> u
broke itL164[04:34:00] <Bob>
gg
<Bob>
ggL165[04:36:58] <stephan48> we broke
it
L166[04:37:03] <stephan48> gj Izaya
:D
L167[04:37:08] <Izaya> :D
L168[04:40:19] <Bob>
:aPPepeClap:
<Bob>
:aPPepeClap:L169[04:40:49] <Izaya> emotes were a
mistake
L170[04:43:10] <Forecaster>
she gets confused about the current record holder and time, but
remembers the ongoing counter from the last tonk
<Forecaster>
she gets confused about the current record holder and time, but
remembers the ongoing counter from the last tonkL171[04:51:43] <Bob> Is
Discord Nitro your worst mightmare Izaya ?
<Bob> Is
Discord Nitro your worst mightmare Izaya ?L172[04:51:53] <Izaya> Never seen it in
action tbh
L173[04:52:22] <Izaya> That said, giving
money to scum is generally not very high in my book of good
things
L174[04:52:58] <Izaya> that said
L175[04:53:05] <Bob> i got
it for free so..
<Bob> i got
it for free so..L176[04:53:05] <Izaya> real emote horror
is the fediverse
L177[04:53:23] <Izaya> any server admin
can add their own emotes which show up on your instance
L178[04:54:04] <Izaya> Good news: a
PsychOS remote shell uses a relatively small amount of bandwidth,
only one packet per two relay cycles
L179[04:54:11] <Bob> Anyone
that has the emote management tag /shrug
<Bob> Anyone
that has the emote management tag /shrugL180[04:54:22] <Izaya> bad news: it uses
that all the time
L181[04:54:34] <Bob>
oof
<Bob>
oofL182[04:55:41] <Izaya> Let's see if we can
cut that down a bit...
L183[05:00:43] <Izaya> yay, gone unless
there's actual traffic
L184[05:02:26] <Izaya> there's still some
optimisation I could do...
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L187[06:50:29] <MichiBot> Izaya REMINDER:
>
L188[06:51:01] <Forecaster>
Add reminder: <
<Forecaster>
Add reminder: <L189[06:51:51] <Izaya> that was for actual
IdleRPG
L190[06:52:33] <Forecaster>
%tonk
<Forecaster>
%tonkL191[06:52:33] <MichiBot> Gadsbudlikins!
Forecaster! You beat Izaya's previous record of 1 hour, 2 minutes
and 47 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L192[06:52:34] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 2 hours, 19 minutes and 5 seconds! 1 hour, 16 minutes and
17 seconds gained!
L193[06:52:40] <Forecaster>
woo
<Forecaster>
wooL194[07:16:55] <AmandaC> %roll 1d2
L195[07:16:56] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
[2]
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L197[07:44:24] <Izaya> where is require
defined in OpenOS?
L198[07:44:46] <Lizzian> in
one of the `/lib/core` files
<Lizzian> in
one of the `/lib/core` filesL199[07:45:47] <Lizzian> i
think...
<Lizzian> i
think...L200[07:46:02] <Izaya>
/lib/package.lua
L201[07:46:19] <Lizzian>
yep, just found it, derp
<Lizzian>
yep, just found it, derpL202[07:47:25] <Izaya> hrm
L203[07:47:37] <Izaya> it looks like it
looks in /lib/ before /usr/lib/
L204[07:47:39] <Izaya> how
inconvenient
L205[07:50:56] *
Izaya squints
L206[07:51:05] <Izaya> now why is this
letting me backspace when the buffer is empty
L207[08:12:40] <Izaya> jesus christ I'm
dumb
L208[08:13:01] <Izaya> if ch == 8 and
buf:len() > 0 then
L209[08:13:19] <Izaya> .___________.
L210[08:13:37] <Izaya> only display
backspace properly if there's more than nothing in the buffer
L211[08:13:40] <Izaya> quality
L212[08:36:05] <Izaya> ~w io.read
L213[08:36:06] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-io.read
L214[08:36:08] <Izaya> ~w term.read
L215[08:36:08] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:term
L216[08:37:00] <Izaya> payonel: can I
io.read() with a timeout of zero?
L217[08:47:51] <Izaya> ~w thread
L218[08:47:51] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:thread
L219[08:56:37] <Izaya> io.read() does not
like to share the screen :|
L220[08:58:23] <Izaya> ~w event
L221[08:58:23] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:event
L222[09:02:30] <Lizzian>
%tell payonel can OpenOS threads generate events (via
`event.push/computer.pushSignal`) and have any other event
listeners (either in main process or other threads) get them?
<Lizzian>
%tell payonel can OpenOS threads generate events (via
`event.push/computer.pushSignal`) and have any other event
listeners (either in main process or other threads) get them?L223[09:02:32] <MichiBot> Lizzian: payonel
will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L225[09:05:21] <Mimiru> %tonk
L226[09:05:22] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Mimiru, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 2 hours,
19 minutes and 5 seconds this time.
L227[09:05:23] <MichiBot> 2 hours, 12
minutes and 48 seconds were wasted! Missed by 6 minutes and 16
seconds!
L228[09:05:29] <Mimiru> damn
L229[09:06:09] <Forecaster>
D:
<Forecaster>
D:L230[09:06:18] <Forecaster>
I mean :D
<Forecaster>
I mean :DL231[09:06:22] <Forecaster>
I mean D:
<Forecaster>
I mean D:L232[09:25:44] <Izaya> shit I think my fan
died
L233[09:26:24] <Izaya> and we're
back
L234[09:26:27] <Izaya> ???
L235[09:26:56] <Forecaster>
it's important to keep your fans alive
<Forecaster>
it's important to keep your fans aliveL236[09:27:22] <Izaya> indeed
L237[09:27:25] <Izaya> otherwise you will
die
L238[09:28:06] <stephan48> did you feed it
enough dust, might it just have starved for a bit?
L239[09:28:11] <Lizzian>
you don't want to get shit in them, right @superminor2?
<Lizzian>
you don't want to get shit in them, right @superminor2?L240[09:29:29] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/cqxpmf.webm
L241[09:43:02] <superminor2> Oh definitely not
<superminor2> Oh definitely notL242[09:43:24] <superminor2> I try to avoid shitting in
fans
<superminor2> I try to avoid shitting in
fansL243[09:59:21] <gerard>
Nice Izaya \?
<gerard>
Nice Izaya \?L244[09:59:53] <Izaya> \o/
L245[10:05:14] <Lizzian>
?
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L250[11:16:54] <Inari> AmandaC: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372088760868929546/527888765918773248/ihdqqSe.png
L251[11:20:52] <superminor2> Apparently Cisco decided that
dns isn't really needed, and a recent firepower update was kinda
just... Blocking dns.
<superminor2> Apparently Cisco decided that
dns isn't really needed, and a recent firepower update was kinda
just... Blocking dns.L252[11:21:15] <superminor2> That is how I love to spend
my mornings, trying to find the source of a dns issue
<superminor2> That is how I love to spend
my mornings, trying to find the source of a dns issueL253[11:22:07] <Corded> * <Lizzian>
claps
L254[11:23:28] <Izaya> it's always
DNS
L255[11:25:51] <superminor2> It really is
<superminor2> It really isL256[11:50:51] <payonel> Izaya: yeah,
threads don't share cursor position well. it has caused me to
realize that printing should always move the cursor, it's a
slightly different model than where openos is today. 1.8 might fix
that. but note that 1.8 is also free to break back support
L257[11:51:27] <Izaya> payonel:
implemented my own input handler
L258[11:51:34] <payonel> @Lizzian yes,
pushSignal (and note, event.push == computer.pushSignal) goes back
to the metal, and thus everything gets the signal
L259[11:51:46] <Izaya> I presume you can't
see the video
L260[11:51:48] <Lizzian>
awesome
<Lizzian>
awesomeL261[11:52:40] <payonel> Izaya: your own
keyboard read? you've done that a few times before. what is of note
this time? also, what vid?
L262[11:53:30] <Izaya> payonel: it's so I
can read from it non-breakingly
L263[11:53:34] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/cqxpmf.webm
L264[11:53:39] <Izaya> [Music]
L265[12:02:12] <payonel> Izaya: so youre
saying you had to implement a custom stdin stream for nc on
openos?
L266[12:02:26] <Izaya> kinda
L267[12:02:32] <payonel> that's
unfortunate
L268[12:02:39] <payonel> i didnt have to
for psh
L269[12:02:42] <Izaya> I couldn't make
io.read to cooperate so I did it myself
L270[12:03:06] <payonel> how are you
accepting nc connections?
L271[12:03:20] <payonel> event.listen
?
L272[12:03:26] <payonel> or ... in other
words ...
L273[12:03:45] <Izaya> it's just listening
with minitel.listen() on the server then forking
L274[12:03:47] <payonel> how is the nc
connection process resumed?
L275[12:04:02] <payonel> yes, but forking
via what mechanism?
L276[12:04:09] <Izaya> os.spawn
L277[12:04:17] <payonel> in
openos-lingo
L278[12:04:22] <payonel> how are you
forking in openos?
L279[12:04:30] <Izaya> I'm notm?
L280[12:04:38] <Izaya> Server is
PsychOS
L281[12:04:41] <payonel> oh i see
L282[12:04:46] <payonel> so then i'm
confused again ...
L283[12:04:53] <payonel> you couldn't run
the nc client from openos..why?
L284[12:04:57] <payonel> what would go
wrong?
L285[12:05:09] <Izaya> io.read would
block
L286[12:05:19] <payonel> what else needed
to run?
L287[12:06:08] <Izaya> the part that runs
from the socket
L288[12:06:17] <Izaya> s/runs/reads/
L289[12:06:18] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
the part that reads from the socket
L290[12:06:30] <payonel> but isn't that an
event registrant?
L291[12:06:41] <payonel> i.e. via listen
or timer, etc
L292[12:07:07] <Izaya> No, and in
addition, it wouldn't help much
L293[12:07:27] <payonel> so the socket
reading in nc happens inline
L294[12:07:29] <Izaya> io.read doesn't
move with the cursor
L295[12:08:12] <payonel> we've got layers
of misunderstanding here, the cursor _does_ move with io.read. but
lets' return to that later
L296[12:08:43] <payonel> so your nc client
is handling socket events and io events inline without event
registrations?
L297[12:09:09] <Izaya> hear me out
L298[12:09:47] <Izaya> If you io.read(),
then io.write("aaa"), then type, it'll replace the aaas
on the screen
L299[12:10:55] <payonel> 1. io.read() is
blocking, so you can't io.write() until it is done. 2. yes, i now
see that the cursor blink should be stateful, and thus unblinked
from any cursor:echo() operation, which would correctly move the
cursor if any concurrent io.write() occurred
L300[12:11:40] <payonel> [[ also note,
because io.read is blocking, the only way to concurrently io.write
is via async ops e.g. event callbacks ]]
L301[12:16:05] <Izaya> So in implementing
a read function that respects the cursor position by only working
via io.write, I made mine non-blocking also
L302[12:16:47] <payonel> but before you
fixed that, how were you asyncronously calling io.write? given that
io.read is blocking?
L303[12:17:26] <Izaya> I wasn't :D
L304[12:17:39] <Izaya> Mash enter to get
it to display anything
L305[12:18:02] <payonel> ok but in that
not-async state, the cursor position was fine?
L306[12:18:54] <Izaya> Because it was only
writing to the screen when io.read wasn't active, yes
L307[12:19:05] <payonel> ok cool, we're on
the same page
L308[12:19:49] <payonel> Izaya: i had the
same problem with psh client
L309[12:19:56] <payonel> look at this:
https://github.com/OpenPrograms/payonel-Programs/blob/master/psh/usr/lib/psh/client.lua#L34
L310[12:20:27] <payonel> that's what the
cursor should be doing on its own
L311[12:21:23] <payonel> Izaya: and this
is where the stdout from the socket is written https://github.com/OpenPrograms/payonel-Programs/blob/master/psh/usr/lib/psh/client.lua#L58
L312[12:21:39] <Inari> It's payo!
L313[12:21:46] <payonel> Inari: :>
hi
L314[12:21:51] <Inari> %potion
L315[12:21:51] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a
shimmering gold potion
L316[12:21:53] <Inari> Drink that!
L317[12:22:15] <Izaya> you know OpenOS
inr
L318[12:22:16] *
payonel drinks shimmering gold potion
L319[12:22:20] <Inari> Nono
L320[12:22:20] <payonel> Inari: https://i.imgur.com/aJSQeSR.gifv
L321[12:22:31] <Inari> with "%ddrink
^" !
L322[12:22:37] <Izaya> Internals much
better than me
L323[12:22:40] <payonel> %drink
L324[12:22:41] <MichiBot> Drink
what?
L325[12:22:47] <payonel> %drink shimmering
gold potion
L326[12:22:48] <MichiBot> payonel
remembers an important appointment.
L327[12:22:55] <Inari> xD You needed to
put the ^ too
L328[12:23:01] <Inari> payonel: Thats an
interesting face on that cat
L329[12:23:22] <payonel> Izaya: you didn't
do anything wrong though, i have a bug in the cursor
L330[12:23:54] <Izaya> Anyway, I have
PsychOS2 remote login working nicely :D
L331[12:24:27] <payonel> %drink ^
L332[12:24:27] <MichiBot> This doesn't
seem to be a potion I recognize...
L333[12:24:40] <payonel> so that would
work, Inari, if i had a potion? (still)
L334[12:24:52] <Inari> Well, if its within
the last 10 lines I think
L335[12:24:59] <Inari> %potion
L336[12:24:59] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a
porous green potion
L337[12:25:07] <payonel> %drink ^
L338[12:25:07] <MichiBot> payonel's hair
turns to the color of tan.
L339[12:25:10] <payonel> ha!
L340[12:25:24] <MGR>
%potion
<MGR>
%potionL341[12:25:24] <MichiBot> MGR: You get a
ripe citrus potion
L342[12:25:28] <MGR>
Tasty
<MGR>
TastyL343[12:25:32] <MGR>
%potion ^
<MGR>
%potion ^L344[12:25:49] <payonel> Izaya: that is
awesome
L345[12:25:50] <Izaya> Oh payonel did I
tell you
L346[12:25:57] <MGR>
%potion ^
<MGR>
%potion ^L347[12:25:57] <MichiBot> MGR: You get a
shimmering tuna potion
L348[12:26:03] <payonel> it would be
really cool to psh from an nc connectin, or nc from psh :)
L349[12:26:06] <MGR> %drink
^
<MGR> %drink
^L350[12:26:06] <MichiBot> MGR's clothes
turn the color of lime.
L351[12:26:09] <Izaya> One minitel version
for all platforms?
L352[12:26:15] <payonel> yeah :) you
did
L353[12:26:18] <MGR> Also
tasty
<MGR> Also
tastyL354[12:26:23] <Izaya> :D
L355[12:26:53] <payonel> Izaya: i'm
getting close to finishing pshfs
L356[12:27:01] <Izaya> Still comfortably
under 20K too
L357[12:29:01] <payonel> Izaya: my dream
is that i can pshfs from eeprom, and boot a remote init.lua
L358[12:29:21] <Izaya> That seems
exceedingly useful
L359[12:29:36] <payonel> there is a lot of
code that'll have to be minified for that to work :)
L360[12:29:45] <payonel> so, it might be a
pipe dream
L361[12:29:51] <Izaya> Heheh.
L362[12:30:02] <Inari> Did asie leave
:f
L363[12:31:16] <Izaya> I managed to get
FRequest working in an EEPROM, I should set that up to be
useful
L364[12:31:36] <Izaya> Allow downloading
stuff to the tmpfs
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L367[12:54:55] <Lizzy> what's the
difference between the teir 1 wireless network card and the teir 2
one?
L368[12:55:47] <MGR> Tier 1
can only have 1 open port and has a shorter range
<MGR> Tier 1
can only have 1 open port and has a shorter rangeL369[12:55:53] <Lizzy> ah
L370[12:55:59] <MGR> I also
don't think it can also function as a wired card, but I'm not sure
about that part
<MGR> I also
don't think it can also function as a wired card, but I'm not sure
about that partL371[13:05:43] <payonel> i think there was
a bug about it accepting or sending wireless, one of the two. but
it is SUPPOSED to only send/recv wireless
L372[13:31:55] <MGR>
"And as a cherry on top, he once sent the mindmap file inside
a zipped folder -- inside a powerpoint presentation! I didn't even
know that such a thing was possible, but having told him that we
don't have Microsoft Office, and requesting that he just sends us
the mindmap or zipped folder, he once again refused, we must buy
Microsoft Office to extract the file." --- Quote 1/2
<MGR>
"And as a cherry on top, he once sent the mindmap file inside
a zipped folder -- inside a powerpoint presentation! I didn't even
know that such a thing was possible, but having told him that we
don't have Microsoft Office, and requesting that he just sends us
the mindmap or zipped folder, he once again refused, we must buy
Microsoft Office to extract the file." --- Quote 1/2L373[13:49:59] <Mimiru> %tonk
L374[13:49:59] <MichiBot> Dagnabbit!
Mimiru! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 2 hours, 19
minutes and 5 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L375[13:50:00] <MichiBot> Mimiru's new
record is 4 hours, 44 minutes and 37 seconds! 2 hours, 25 minutes
and 32 seconds gained!
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L377[13:55:58] <Forecaster>
aw
<Forecaster>
awL378[13:56:21] <ZefTheFox>
I have a stupid idea and it's going to use around 1600 threads for
a second
<ZefTheFox>
I have a stupid idea and it's going to use around 1600 threads for
a secondL379[13:56:32] <ZefTheFox>
Worst case scenario
<ZefTheFox>
Worst case scenarioL380[14:10:31] <ben_mkiv> and another
riddle solved... -.-
L381[14:10:45] <ben_mkiv> https://i.imgur.com/KpjOFZa.png was fun to calculate
those for dynamic screen tilt
L382[14:20:33] <ZefTheFox>
When you crash the ocemulator
<ZefTheFox>
When you crash the ocemulatorL383[14:24:39] <payonel> Inari: https://i.imgur.com/S8A6Y3Q.jpg
L384[14:24:52] <Inari> Haha
L385[14:24:57] <Inari> Poor cat, it found
the best tight spot
L386[14:26:13] <Michiyo> Wish I had waited
7 more seconds...
L387[14:26:18] <Michiyo> 4:44:44..
lol
L388[14:26:33] <Inari> %pet Mimiru
L389[14:26:34] *
MichiBot pets Mimiru with a fairy. 9 health gained!
L390[14:28:40] <Lizzy> payonel, If i have
a linked card in a tablet/pc and the other end in a relay, how can
i send messages from the pc/tablet and have them be emitted like
normal network messages on devices connected to the relay?
L391[14:30:57] <Lizzy> wait nvm
L393[14:31:19] <Lizzy> just realised that
they do come through but on port 0
L394[14:31:54] <Skye> O_o
L395[14:37:29] ***
rashy_ is now known as rashy
L396[14:40:33] <Kleadron> i
tweaked the gui a bit on my program to allow for more of the
detailed information on the side http://tinyurl.com/yab8l4ml
<Kleadron> i
tweaked the gui a bit on my program to allow for more of the
detailed information on the side http://tinyurl.com/yab8l4mlL397[14:41:03] <Kleadron> i
need to add more stuff to it
<Kleadron> i
need to add more stuff to itL398[14:49:41] <Forecaster>
More cowbell
<Forecaster>
More cowbellL399[14:51:23] <payonel> Inari: https://giphy.com/gifs/5Uth0oIOnfZeuMn6Q0
L400[14:52:02] <payonel> Lizzy: we dont
translate message types like that (At least, not how i'm reading
your question) but you could handle the link card signals and
translate them to modem_messages
L401[14:52:32] <payonel> Lizzy: wait was i
wrong!? link card signals are modem_messages in relays on port
0?
L402[14:52:56] <payonel> @ZefTheFox HOW
did you do that?
L403[14:53:26] <Lizzy> relay-to-relay
linked cards keeps the messages as normal. pc-to-relay linked cards
have the port as 0 (because the linked card has no concept of
it)
L404[14:53:35] <ZefTheFox>
I tried making it fill the screen by using threads and those
threads would cycle through a table of characters at each location
on the screen before closing
<ZefTheFox>
I tried making it fill the screen by using threads and those
threads would cycle through a table of characters at each location
on the screen before closingL405[14:53:57] <ZefTheFox>
It was using the oc emu
<ZefTheFox>
It was using the oc emuL406[14:54:18] <AmandaC> Lizzy: huh, using
relay-to-relay wasn't something I ever considered with that. I
ended up making an eeprom that "translates" my protocol
via a linked card
L407[14:54:34] <payonel> Lizzy: oh i
see
L408[14:55:09] <payonel> @ZefTheFox but
this looks like a bug in threads, which....is very surprising
L409[14:55:16] <payonel> that has been an
extremely reliable library
L410[14:55:20] <payonel> i need a
repro
L411[14:55:39] <payonel> and using ocemu
is fine
L413[14:58:52] <ZefTheFox>
Judge me
<ZefTheFox>
Judge meL414[14:59:33] <payonel> @ZefTheFox bad
table `t`
L415[14:59:44] <payonel> it doesn't take a
two dimensional (jagged) array of threads
L416[14:59:52] <payonel> it is a single
dimensional array of threads
L417[14:59:53] <ZefTheFox>
ah
<ZefTheFox>
ahL418[15:00:24] <ben_mkiv> also you can do
"for place=1,#table do" in line 11
L419[15:00:31] <ben_mkiv> and get rid of
place = place+1
L420[15:01:22] <ben_mkiv> and line 10, so
its compacter and doing the same
L421[15:02:42] <ZefTheFox>
Yeah
<ZefTheFox>
YeahL422[15:02:52] <ZefTheFox>
I was doing it to see if it was possible
<ZefTheFox>
I was doing it to see if it was possibleL423[15:02:56] <ZefTheFox>
not trying to be efficient
<ZefTheFox>
not trying to be efficientL424[15:03:31] <ben_mkiv> also 21 =>
t[i] = {{}}
L425[15:03:34] <ben_mkiv> that should fix
it?!
L426[15:03:59] <ben_mkiv> nvm that^
L427[15:10:50] <TheFox> Oh,
I am judging this very much, Zef
<TheFox> Oh,
I am judging this very much, ZefL428[15:10:52] <TheFox>
lmfao
<TheFox>
lmfaoL429[15:11:09] ⇦
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L430[15:12:40] <TheFox>
%tonk
<TheFox>
%tonkL431[15:12:41] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
TheFox, you were not able to beat Mimiru's record of 4 hours, 44
minutes and 37 seconds this time.
L432[15:12:42] <MichiBot> 1 hour, 22
minutes and 41 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours, 21 minutes
and 56 seconds!
L433[15:12:52] <TheFox>
uwu
<TheFox>
uwuL434[15:17:39] <ZefTheFox>
><
<ZefTheFox>
><L435[15:18:27] <TheFox>
What's OCs max res anyways?
<TheFox>
What's OCs max res anyways?L436[15:18:45] <ZefTheFox>
uh I *think* 160 x 50\
<ZefTheFox>
uh I *think* 160 x 50\L437[15:18:57] <TheFox>
blocks?
<TheFox>
blocks?L438[15:19:04] <TheFox> I
assume so
<TheFox> I
assume soL439[15:20:50] <ZefTheFox>
Oh no
<ZefTheFox>
Oh noL440[15:21:05] <ZefTheFox>
I have no idea what the block limit is
<ZefTheFox>
I have no idea what the block limit isL441[15:25:46] <Lizzy> max screen size? 8
x 6 blocks
L442[15:32:25] <AmandaC> %roll 1d2
L443[15:32:25] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
[1]
L444[15:32:52] <AmandaC> right, let's see
what the new chapter of this story that infected my dreams
contains!
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L448[16:03:18] <ZefTheFox>
It actually looks really cool
<ZefTheFox>
It actually looks really coolL449[16:03:30] <ZefTheFox>
It has definite room for improvement
<ZefTheFox>
It has definite room for improvementL451[16:04:17] <ZefTheFox>
I defintely suggest looking at it running
<ZefTheFox>
I defintely suggest looking at it runningL452[16:06:12] <Kleadron>
what is that
<Kleadron>
what is thatL453[16:06:54] <ZefTheFox>
It fills in the screen with a cool animation
<ZefTheFox>
It fills in the screen with a cool animationL454[16:07:26] <Kleadron> i
see
<Kleadron> i
seeL455[16:07:53] <Kleadron>
try using braille characters for more squares
<Kleadron>
try using braille characters for more squaresL456[16:07:53] <ZefTheFox>
and is probably really really innefficient
<ZefTheFox>
and is probably really really innefficientL457[16:12:43] <ZefTheFox>
It looks even better!
<ZefTheFox>
It looks even better!L458[16:15:43] <TheFox>
```"▖", "▌",
"▛","█"```
<TheFox>
```"▖", "▌",
"▛","█"```L459[16:16:13] <TheFox>
"Tetris revised so that each brick is a whole new
thread!"
<TheFox>
"Tetris revised so that each brick is a whole new
thread!"L460[16:16:24] <ZefTheFox>
Lol, no every spot on the screen is a new thread
<ZefTheFox>
Lol, no every spot on the screen is a new threadL461[16:16:36] <ZefTheFox>
that lasts like 0.8 seconds
<ZefTheFox>
that lasts like 0.8 secondsL462[16:17:05] <TheFox>
yes, but why not multithreaded tetris?
<TheFox>
yes, but why not multithreaded tetris?L463[16:17:14] <ZefTheFox>
yes
<ZefTheFox>
yesL464[16:17:23] <TheFox>
Totally not a waste
<TheFox>
Totally not a wasteL465[16:19:08] <ZefTheFox>
Just start a new thread for every line of code
<ZefTheFox>
Just start a new thread for every line of codeL466[16:20:17] <TheFox>
thread.create(function() print("Yeah Zef, why not?")
end)
<TheFox>
thread.create(function() print("Yeah Zef, why not?")
end)L467[16:22:14] <ZefTheFox>
I really enjoy how anything done to math.huge returns
math.huge
<ZefTheFox>
I really enjoy how anything done to math.huge returns
math.hugeL468[16:23:42] <Rph>
math.huge - math.huge
<Rph>
math.huge - math.hugeL469[16:23:57] <Rph> hmm
tetris where each segment is a separate thread
<Rph> hmm
tetris where each segment is a separate threadL470[16:32:07] <payonel> @ZefTheFox btw,
you should ping me when you ever you see an openos crash (like the
thread one)
L471[16:32:16] <payonel> and especially
for threads
L472[16:32:22] <payonel> threads are my
most cherished openos feature
L473[16:32:35] <Inari> pings payonel even
with no crash!
L474[16:36:01] <ZefTheFox>
Alright
<ZefTheFox>
AlrightL475[16:36:58] <Kleadron>
Does OpenOS use a monolithic kernel or a microkernel
<Kleadron>
Does OpenOS use a monolithic kernel or a microkernelL476[16:40:28] *
payonel pings Inari: https://i.imgur.com/I03KwTN.png
L477[16:44:40] <Rph>
payonel, does OpenOS wrap the standard coroutine API as well? (If I
coroutine.yield, do other OpenOS tasks get temporary
control?)
<Rph>
payonel, does OpenOS wrap the standard coroutine API as well? (If I
coroutine.yield, do other OpenOS tasks get temporary
control?)L478[16:44:42] <payonel> @Kleadron openos
is monolithic in that the kernel invokes driver api directly. there
is a single process. most of the inter-communication is direct, not
with ipc or services. But there is a sprinkling of micro kernel
design
L479[16:45:14] <Rph> and if
not, is there a way to escape the OpenOS process wrapper from
within openos (Execute a function on the kernel coroutine)
<Rph> and if
not, is there a way to escape the OpenOS process wrapper from
within openos (Execute a function on the kernel coroutine)L480[16:46:35] <payonel> @Rph 1. does
openos wrap coroutines: definitely yes, there is a lot of deep os
stuff going on that you shouldn't ever even be aware of. 2: does
coroutine.yield allow other tasks to run? depends ... are you
yielding any arbitrary coroutine? no, are you yielding your shell
executed program? then yes. it really depends.
L481[16:46:51] <payonel> @Rph but this
relates strongly to why openos has threads (i.e. /lib/thread)
L482[16:47:14] <Rph> So the
easiest way to "escape" openOS, is to replace init.lua
with my own file and reboot
<Rph> So the
easiest way to "escape" openOS, is to replace init.lua
with my own file and rebootL483[16:47:18] <Rph>
correct?
<Rph>
correct?L484[16:47:25] <Kleadron>
thx for the answer
<Kleadron>
thx for the answerL485[16:47:35] <payonel> 3. escape the
process wrapper: no, everything is a process or a child of a
process, but, run directly on the kernel? not sure what you mean,
but, thread `detach` MIGHT be what you're looking for
L486[16:47:54] <payonel> @Rph replacing
init.lua sounds like the wrong thing to do, from my
perspective
L487[16:48:28] <payonel> i highly doubt
openos doesn't already have the infrastructure you need, as
is
L488[16:48:37] <Rph> I just
thought of the possibility of having a "blocking" event
listener
<Rph> I just
thought of the possibility of having a "blocking" event
listenerL489[16:48:43] <Rph> so I
do coroutine.yield
<Rph> so I
do coroutine.yieldL490[16:48:51] <Rph> but
the top level process doesn't resume any other coroutine than
mine
<Rph> but
the top level process doesn't resume any other coroutine than
mineL491[16:48:59] <Rph> until
I declare that other coroutines may be resumed
<Rph> until
I declare that other coroutines may be resumedL492[16:49:22] <payonel> why on earth
would you want a blocking event listener? that could cause the os
to crash
L493[16:49:56] <Rph> Some
aspects of security
<Rph> Some
aspects of securityL494[16:50:07] <Rph> Lets
say a password prompt
<Rph> Lets
say a password promptL495[16:50:20] <Rph> Where
no other event listener receives key events
<Rph> Where
no other event listener receives key eventsL496[16:50:25] <Rph>
Besides the prompt itself
<Rph>
Besides the prompt itselfL497[16:50:57] <Rph> Or I
am just overthinking stuff
<Rph> Or I
am just overthinking stuffL498[16:51:12] <payonel> first of all, the
os can get in a bad state if some of its event listeners don't get
their signals
L499[16:51:22] <payonel> when you first
boot openos, run `ps`
L500[16:51:31] <payonel> you'll see there
are ~16 event listeners already registered
L501[16:52:24] <payonel> if you want to
control user-space event registrations, you can control that via
threads
L502[16:53:03] <payonel> however, keep in
mind that openos wasn't written with security in mind. rather,
stability
L503[16:53:25] <payonel> could i find ways
to break stuff? sure
L504[16:53:43] <payonel> anyways, any
event registratations you make within the context of a thread
belong to that thread
L505[16:53:49] <payonel>
registrations*
L506[16:54:13] <payonel> when you suspend
or kill that thread, ALL event registrants are effectively cut
off
L507[16:54:13] <Rph> So I
am better off making something from scratch or making a modified
version of OpenOS with my security aspects in mind
<Rph> So I
am better off making something from scratch or making a modified
version of OpenOS with my security aspects in mindL508[16:55:47] <payonel> so, init.lua runs
the system shell (see boot/94_shell.lua:
os.setenv("SHELL", "/bin/sh.lua") )
L509[16:55:57] <payonel> i would first
look at putting your security system at that level
L510[16:56:26] <payonel> from there, build
your sandbox, execute /bin/sh.lua yourself, in a thread, or execute
the login first
L511[16:56:28] <payonel> those types of
things
L512[16:56:45] <payonel> but if you do,
and if you run /bin/sh.lua in a thread, then when you exit that
thread, any user event stuff is tossed out
L513[16:56:57] <Rph> I
see
<Rph> I
seeL514[16:57:22] <payonel> can this be
exploited? yeah. you'll have to protect files and libraries from
user modification
L515[16:57:44] <payonel> anyways, nothing
wrong with forking openos
L516[16:58:15] <Rph> I'll
have to protect the computers directory from getting a server admin
snooping inside of it
<Rph> I'll
have to protect the computers directory from getting a server admin
snooping inside of itL517[16:58:29] <payonel> it wasn't made
for security, and that's one of the things i understand people
wanting to build as a fork of openos, rather than using the libs
and base i've provided "as is"
L518[16:59:14] <Rph> I
think with some tweaking OpenOS could be built out into a nice
multi user OS
<Rph> I
think with some tweaking OpenOS could be built out into a nice
multi user OSL519[16:59:31] <Rph> But I
understand that is not your primary goal
<Rph> But I
understand that is not your primary goalL520[16:59:56] <Rph> I will
probably have a go at that myself
<Rph> I will
probably have a go at that myselfL521[16:59:59] <Kleadron>
user 2 is hogging all the ram and cpu time and user 1 is pissed at
user 2
<Kleadron>
user 2 is hogging all the ram and cpu time and user 1 is pissed at
user 2L522[17:00:20] <Rph> I
could implement something like CPU budget or whatever
<Rph> I
could implement something like CPU budget or whateverL523[17:00:37] <Rph> So out
of 30 seconds you can only hog 15
<Rph> So out
of 30 seconds you can only hog 15L524[17:00:47] <Rph> And
your coroutines don't get resumed
<Rph> And
your coroutines don't get resumedL525[17:00:52] <Rph> Until
the budgets reset
<Rph> Until
the budgets resetL526[17:01:05] <Kleadron> i
put a 20 tick global timer in my reactor program to attempt to be
able to do more things at once
<Kleadron> i
put a 20 tick global timer in my reactor program to attempt to be
able to do more things at onceL527[17:01:13] <Rph> And if
you get a too long without yielding crash, your budget gets
zeroed
<Rph> And if
you get a too long without yielding crash, your budget gets
zeroedL528[17:01:16] <payonel> btw, i recommend
you use threads for running arbitrary user coroutines
L529[17:01:29] <Rph>
Okay
<Rph>
OkayL530[17:02:17] ⇦
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L531[17:02:38] <payonel> @ZefTheFox so
running hundreds of threads to update the screen actually
worked?
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L533[17:06:47] <Kleadron>
is upgrading to OC 1.7.3 an extremely important task
<Kleadron>
is upgrading to OC 1.7.3 an extremely important taskL534[17:07:34] <Kleadron>
would it be a good idea to test performance on the older version
for the slower lua execution
<Kleadron>
would it be a good idea to test performance on the older version
for the slower lua executionL535[17:12:01] <payonel> 1.7.3 over 160
bugs, iirc
L536[17:12:07] <payonel> fixed**
over
L537[17:12:35] <payonel> also, i'm working
on psh a lot these days
L538[17:12:43] <payonel> so if you like
the idea of psh, you'll have to upgrade
L539[17:13:53] <Kleadron>
what is psh
<Kleadron>
what is pshL540[17:14:09] <ZefTheFox>
Yes
<ZefTheFox>
YesL541[17:14:13] <Kleadron>
and is it OpenOS related
<Kleadron>
and is it OpenOS relatedL543[17:14:49] <payonel> psh is payo's
ssh, and not *s*ecure :)
L544[17:15:21] <payonel> i'm bundling psh,
pshd, pshfs, and pshcp in the final package
L545[17:15:28] <payonel> right now, on
oppm, it just has psh and pshd
L546[17:15:48] <payonel> derp, i said it
wrong again, not pshcp, just pcp
L547[17:15:49] <payonel> :)
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L549[17:16:01] <Kleadron>
if its in openos i could just grab the os files from the latest
version of opencomputers and drop it into the hard drive folder of
a computer
<Kleadron>
if its in openos i could just grab the os files from the latest
version of opencomputers and drop it into the hard drive folder of
a computerL550[17:16:16] <Kleadron>
but updating oc is easier
<Kleadron>
but updating oc is easierL551[17:16:26] <payonel> the 1.7.3 fixes
are all over the place
L552[17:16:33] <payonel> many in
openos
L553[17:16:39] <payonel> or are you asking
about psh? that is just oppm
L554[17:16:45] <payonel> but psh requires
openos 1.7.3
L555[17:17:00] <Kleadron>
just install openos 1.7.3
<Kleadron>
just install openos 1.7.3L556[17:17:39] <Kleadron> i
wonder what the oldest version of opencomputers that the latest
openos version can run on is
<Kleadron> i
wonder what the oldest version of opencomputers that the latest
openos version can run on isL557[17:17:50] <payonel> 1.6
L558[17:18:26] <Kleadron>
and im guessing that openos 1.0 runs on any version
<Kleadron>
and im guessing that openos 1.0 runs on any versionL559[17:18:46] <payonel> no, 1.6 was a
hard break
L560[17:19:00] <payonel> and the older
version had other breaking changes too
L561[17:19:08] <Kleadron>
hmm ok
<Kleadron>
hmm okL562[17:19:18] <payonel> such as how the
machine sandbox was prepared, and then later the eeprom changes,
etc
L563[17:47:17] <AmandaC> %choose
halucinate or play
L564[17:47:20] <MichiBot> AmandaC: My
grandfather always told me that halucinate is the way to go!
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L567[18:34:44] <Kleadron> Izaya: I saw you
using a custom font for PsychOS 2, how did you do that?
L568[18:35:02] <payonel> he might have
been running it in ocvm
L569[18:35:14] <Kleadron> no wait i am
probably dumb
L570[18:35:16] <payonel> which uses your
shell font
L571[18:35:21] <Kleadron> i see
L572[18:35:27] <payonel>
shell/console/terminal
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L576[19:33:41] <Izaya> Kleadron: either
because I'm using it in a terminal (ocvm, the font would be SGI
Screen 10) or I'm using it at large GUI scale
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L579[19:52:45] <Izaya> very ...
vista
L580[19:52:58] <Izaya> not sure whether
that's a good thing but it can't be worse than GNOME I guess
L581[19:53:30] <Izaya> hey Wattana check
this out https://social.shadowkat.net/media/63af2363-3aa1-4bd0-b350-65a1050aa1bc/termsrv2.webm
L582[20:27:08] <Wattana
Gaming> An OS that runs on a Lua shell?
<Wattana
Gaming> An OS that runs on a Lua shell?L583[20:27:58] <Izaya> yup
L584[20:30:16] <Wattana
Gaming> I can't even make a proper shell on top of my
kernel
<Wattana
Gaming> I can't even make a proper shell on top of my
kernelL585[20:30:40] <Izaya> (while we're at it,
I ported minitel and set up a thing for remote login which is neat
I guess)
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L588[21:20:53] <Kleadron> interesting
setup
L589[21:27:48] <Kleadron> Okay, I have a
legitimate question, why do the CPUs you get from the creative tab
come with Lua 5.2 by default, but the CPUs crafted through normal
means are Lua 5.3
L590[21:37:08] <ZefTheFox>
Is that a real difference or is it just mislabeled?
<ZefTheFox>
Is that a real difference or is it just mislabeled?L591[21:37:24] <Kleadron> its a real
difference
L592[21:37:35] <ZefTheFox>
Very strange lol
<ZefTheFox>
Very strange lolL593[21:37:53] <ZefTheFox>
You'd think it'd be simpler to keep them the same
<ZefTheFox>
You'd think it'd be simpler to keep them the sameL594[21:37:59] <Kleadron> you can still
switch between 5.2 and 5.3
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L596[21:53:09] <Kleadron> finally got rid
of the flicker in my program by merging the content into the window
generation
L597[21:53:35] <Kleadron> previously it
would generate the window and the background of the window and then
put the content onto that
L598[21:53:46] <Kleadron> now that its
merged, it should also go faster
L599[21:54:11] <Kleadron> except inverting
the screen broke it
L600[21:55:08] <Kleadron> bug fixed
L601[21:56:49] <Spacemike> Hello, I've
been trying to add a Tier 3 drone using only Java (as I am not that
familiar with scala and I already have the dronecase3 item created
through Java), but I've run into an issue with setting the
componentSlots value for the registerAssemblerTemplate command,
although, based on what I can tell, it's more of an issue with java
seeing Tier.
L602[21:56:49] <Spacemike> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HyRFnS6gnS/ (I tried
putting the {} on the outside of the () but java would tell me that
instead of the first Pair.of there should be a })
L603[21:56:49] <Spacemike> Two(),
Slot.Card(), etc. as it's own individual item and not the actual
integer of 1 or so that it actually is in the ArrayList (which is
what I found out should work with the Iterable type). Does anyone
have any knowledge of how I might be able to fix this?
L604[22:03:26] <ben_mkiv> no idea, but did
you try it this way? https://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:modding_imc
L605[22:03:49] <ben_mkiv> there are events
that you can use to register the template
L606[22:06:27] <ben_mkiv> also, this is
what i've done but never finished... https://pastebin.com/Q4pTx63r
L607[22:06:40] <ben_mkiv> @
Spacemike
L608[22:07:52] <ben_mkiv> but i have no
idea if it would even work xD
L609[22:08:02] <AmandaC> %tell Inari
Inarriiii~ You can't just call down the wrath of god just because a
planet has oil!
L610[22:08:02] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L611[22:08:05] <Spacemike> also, I am
using import li.cil.oc.common.Slot; and import
li.cil.oc.common.Tier; to get the Tiers and Slot variables.
L612[22:08:05] <Spacemike> And, thanks!
i'll give that a shot! ah, alrighty, so you declared it outside of
it and then imported it in. i'll give the nbt thing a try first, as
in my searching around, this is the first time I saw it.
L613[22:08:45] <Izaya> hrm, minitel daemon
is getting larger than I'd like due to supporting all platforms
with the same file :| 8.5KB
L614[22:09:15] <ben_mkiv> guess you have
to use the register template event anyways so that OC is aware of
the "recipe"
L615[22:09:16] <AmandaC> Izaya: solution:
split the platform-dependent stuff into a
minimum-common-demoninator library, ala the JVM
L616[22:09:27] <ben_mkiv> if its an addon
mod and not a patch to OC itself
L617[22:09:46] <Izaya> AmandaC: an
interesting idea
L618[22:09:54] <Izaya> I'll investigate
that once I have it 100% on all platforms
L619[22:10:24] <Spacemike> alrighty, that
makes sense, as it is supposed to be and addon. (as adding it to
the base code looks like a piece of cake, but i'm assuming a Tier 3
drone would be a bit OP)
L620[22:10:57] <ben_mkiv> well the api
exists for stuff like that :P
L621[22:11:44] <Mimiru> %tonk
L622[22:11:44] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket!
Mimiru! You beat your own previous record of 4 hours, 44 minutes
and 37 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L623[22:11:45] <MichiBot> Mimiru's new
record is 6 hours, 59 minutes and 3 seconds! 2 hours, 14 minutes
and 25 seconds gained!
L624[22:12:02] <AmandaC> oh right, I was
going to add the killing curse to that
L625[22:12:31] <AmandaC> meh, veg out to
youtube time, maybe tomorrow
L626[22:12:40] <Spacemike> true, and I was
trying to use the api, but I only saw this GitHub notice for it,
and I couldn't find any more documentation other than those few
things. https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/tree/master-MC1.12/src/main/java/li/cil/oc/api
L627[22:12:52] <Mimiru> TIL: The email
address login system for Square Enix is case sensitive..
L628[22:13:04] <Mimiru> Which explains the
login trouble I've been having
L629[22:13:13] <ben_mkiv> well thats
basically all you get about the API xD
L630[22:13:27] <ben_mkiv> and what other
modders figured out
L631[22:13:49] <ben_mkiv> but i dont know
of ANY mod yet which adds a own "case" for the
assembler
L632[22:15:02] <ben_mkiv> even though it
should be easier if you just extend the dronecase api and increase
the tier
L633[22:15:10] <ben_mkiv> dronecase
class*
L634[22:15:48] <Spacemike> true, but
there's that page you just sent me on it, was there any specific
way you got to find that api page you sent? and, true enough, guess
that means i'm the first XD but I know i'm not the first to try to
also add in a tesseract card (although the one I am trying to make
will use enderio's dimensional transceiver).
L635[22:17:35] <ben_mkiv> probably
google
L636[22:18:05] <ben_mkiv> and there isnt
that much information about addon modding on the wiki, but this
information that no one used yet xD
L637[22:19:08] <Spacemike> ah, ok, I think
I tried that, must not have entered in the right stuff. and, true
enough, but at least there is the source code, which I can try to
reverse engineer, I did notice the nbt stuff in the files, but I
thought that was internal stuff as it was on the scala side.
L638[22:20:20] <ben_mkiv> yea, looking on
how drones/robots register might help
L639[22:20:33] <ben_mkiv>
"registerAssemblerTemplate" 3 google hits xD
L640[22:20:57] <Spacemike> that's what
lead me to my original idea xp and oof
L641[22:24:10] <Izaya> ~w xpcall
L642[22:24:11] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-xpcall
L644[22:41:08] <Kleadron>
@Mimiru
<Kleadron>
@MimiruL645[22:41:13] *
Izaya ignores Corded
L646[22:41:13] <Kleadron>
ban this noob
<Kleadron>
ban this noobL647[22:52:37] <Izaya> what the fuck
L648[22:52:42] <Izaya> why does this
function work some of the time
L649[22:52:48] <Izaya> but other times it
doesn't
L650[22:53:00] <Izaya> there's a pattern
but that pattern seems to be whether the function is called by cat
or not
L651[22:55:59] <⛈9> Squenix
doesn't... doesn't know what an email is?
<⛈9> Squenix
doesn't... doesn't know what an email is?L652[22:56:04] <Kodos>
Because ocdoc doesn't actually say, what's the max dimensions on a
multiblock screen
<Kodos>
Because ocdoc doesn't actually say, what's the max dimensions on a
multiblock screenL653[22:56:11] <⛈9> Sounds
like some regexp superhero did their job well.
<⛈9> Sounds
like some regexp superhero did their job well.L654[22:56:40] <Izaya> Kodos: 8x6
L655[22:56:43] <Izaya> I believe
L656[22:56:59] <Kodos> 8x5
sounds closer to accurate
<Kodos> 8x5
sounds closer to accurateL657[22:57:24] <⛈9> So
uh
<⛈9> So
uhL659[22:57:47] <⛈9> TIAL:
The runtime does not fit on an open computer. Truly the days of
megabytes of memory were dark times.
<⛈9> TIAL:
The runtime does not fit on an open computer. Truly the days of
megabytes of memory were dark times.L660[22:58:05] <⛈9> Maybe
that mod that just gives you a buffer in your OS would run it for
me.
<⛈9> Maybe
that mod that just gives you a buffer in your OS would run it for
me.L661[22:58:05] <Izaya> Nah, software was
just smaller.
L662[22:58:14] <⛈9>
Software was just dumber. ?
<⛈9>
Software was just dumber. ?L663[22:58:23] <Izaya> Maybe so.
L664[22:58:44] <Izaya> Not necessarily a
bad thing :^)
L665[22:58:52] <⛈9> Idris
is amazing. It's a dependently typed programming language. It's
possible to write proofs for your code.
<⛈9> Idris
is amazing. It's a dependently typed programming language. It's
possible to write proofs for your code.L666[22:58:57] <⛈9> As the
code itself.
<⛈9> As the
code itself.L667[22:59:14] <⛈9> So you
can know that within the limts of the runtime and hardware
execution model, the code does what it says.
<⛈9> So you
can know that within the limts of the runtime and hardware
execution model, the code does what it says.L668[23:00:02] <⛈9> Is
there a cheeky mod somewhere that gives me a stick of ram that is
just a resizing buffer in the Java runtime? ?
<⛈9> Is
there a cheeky mod somewhere that gives me a stick of ram that is
just a resizing buffer in the Java runtime? ?L669[23:00:05] <⛈9> I only
need a gig or so!
<⛈9> I only
need a gig or so!L670[23:00:43] <Izaya> Is Idris the one
that avoids the halting problem by having no infinite loops?
L671[23:00:57] <ben_mkiv> @Kodos you can
change that in the oc configuration file
L672[23:02:22] <⛈9> Uh,
several languages do that. Idris lets you just accept the problem
by default, but you can demand a function be "total". If
so, if you're ever caught iterating over anything but a Nat, you're
toast. ?
<⛈9> Uh,
several languages do that. Idris lets you just accept the problem
by default, but you can demand a function be "total". If
so, if you're ever caught iterating over anything but a Nat, you're
toast. ?L673[23:02:36] <⛈9> That
said, there is a way to loop infinitely from a socket and still be
"total."
<⛈9> That
said, there is a way to loop infinitely from a socket and still be
"total."L674[23:04:59] <ben_mkiv>
maxScreenHeight=6, maxScreenWidth=8
L675[23:05:03] <ben_mkiv> seems to be
default
L676[23:05:58] <⛈9> That's
a lotta screen
<⛈9> That's
a lotta screenL677[23:06:56] <ZefTheFox>
Make it so large a block is a character
<ZefTheFox>
Make it so large a block is a characterL678[23:08:22] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L679[23:08:22] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Mimiru's record of 6
hours, 59 minutes and 3 seconds this time.
L680[23:08:23] <MichiBot> 56 minutes and
37 seconds were wasted! Missed by 6 hours, 2 minutes and 25
seconds!
L681[23:09:41] <ben_mkiv> good, my panels
identify as tier4 screen now and wont merge with oc panels xD
L682[23:13:55] <Izaya> rewrote io.open and
it works properly now :D
L683[23:15:36] <Kleadron> ah yes, when you
rewrite something even though it looks correct and it suddenly
starts working properly
L684[23:16:11] <Izaya> it was very
complicated and hard to follow
L685[23:16:15] <Izaya> now it's not
L686[23:20:47] <Izaya> ~w signals
L687[23:20:48] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:signals
L688[23:31:25] <Mimiru> @⛈9 Computronics
has creative ram thingy IIRC