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L4[01:51:52] <Wattana Gaming> Hey is it possible to do something like a file-descriptor in opencomputers?
L5[02:00:46] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1546323920862.jpg
L6[02:01:05] <Izaya> Wattana: elaborate? I think io uses them
L7[02:11:21] <logan2611> I don't get the blue one
L8[02:11:26] <logan2611> no wait
L9[02:11:28] <logan2611> im just being stupid
L10[02:11:30] <logan2611> ?
L11[02:20:39] <Groot> HAPPPPPPPY NEWWWWWWW YEARRRRRRR FROM LAS VEGASSS
L12[02:21:32] <Izaya> you're 19 hours and 21 minutes late :^)
L13[02:25:03] <logan2611> even in las vegas, you're still 24 minutes late ;p
L14[02:38:04] <Groot> i also had 100 servers i sent that in from mobile so......
L15[02:38:12] <Groot> 24 minutes is pretty good i think
L16[02:38:16] <Izaya> s/servers/guilds/
L17[02:38:16] <MichiBot> <Groot> i also had 100 guilds i sent that in from mobile so......
L18[02:39:25] <Groot> oh whateverrrrrr ik that people just dont know wtf im talking about sometimes im tired of explaining even the simplest things to everyone ?
L19[02:40:20] <Izaya> convince the scum running the service to change their misleading terminology, solve the problem at the source
L20[03:22:49] <Wattana Gaming> Happy New Year from Linux Master Race
L21[03:24:18] <Forecaster> but which of the million linux versions is the best one
L22[03:24:35] <Izaya> the one you like :^)
L23[03:25:08] <Forecaster> ubuntu server then, because that's the only one I use
L24[03:40:28] <Forecaster> %tonk
L25[03:40:29] <MichiBot> Forecaster! You beat TheFox's previous record of 5 hours, 45 minutes and 14 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L26[03:40:30] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 6 hours, 26 minutes and 45 seconds
L27[03:40:37] <Forecaster> %tonkout
L28[03:40:39] <MichiBot> Forecaster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points! Current score: 0.019
L29[03:56:19] <Izaya> %tonk
L30[03:56:20] <MichiBot> Izaya! You beat Forecaster's previous record of <0! I hope you're happy!
L31[03:56:21] <MichiBot> Izaya's new record is 15 minutes and 41 seconds
L32[04:25:08] <Izaya> %tonk
L33[04:25:09] <MichiBot> You still hold the record Izaya, for now... 15 minutes and 41 seconds
L34[04:25:19] <Izaya> right, have to be beaten now :|
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L36[04:43:39] <Forecaster> %tonk
L37[04:43:40] <MichiBot> Forecaster! You beat Izaya's previous record of 15 minutes and 41 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L38[04:43:41] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 47 minutes and 19 seconds
L39[04:45:32] <Inari> !
L40[04:56:43] <Forecaster> %restart
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L44[04:57:35] <Forecaster> %tonk
L45[04:57:59] <MichiBot> You still hold the record Forecaster, for now... 47 minutes and 19 seconds
L46[04:58:57] <Forecaster> the record holder should now be able to claim a new record, but still can't waste the time
L47[05:00:10] <Wattana Gaming> How do I mount a filesystem without openos?
L48[05:00:21] <Forecaster> look at how openos does it
L49[05:00:36] <Izaya> that depends on the VFS system you wrote :^)
L50[05:01:20] <S3> whe
L51[05:01:38] <Wattana Gaming> I use a function to directly control filesystem components. But I want to able to mount it somewhere
L52[05:02:47] <S3> Hmmmmmmmm
L53[05:03:07] <Izaya> You'll need a concept of mounting the filesystem for that.
L54[05:03:53] <S3> What is Wattana doing now?
L55[05:03:55] <S3> I just woke up
L56[05:04:01] <S3> I think Wattana woke me up
L57[05:04:02] <S3> :P
L58[05:04:53] <Izaya> S3: is it cool if I put a water wheel in your cliff face balcony
L59[05:05:01] <S3> AHAHAHAHA
L60[05:05:03] <S3> you found that?
L61[05:05:10] <Izaya> I mean it's pretty obvious
L62[05:05:10] <S3> Yeah I don't care
L63[05:05:16] <Izaya> cool
L64[05:05:18] <Izaya> we have power now
L65[05:05:19] <S3> I just needed a place to put shit
L66[05:05:21] <Izaya> and computers
L67[05:05:27] <S3> WAT
L68[05:05:40] <Izaya> had some uh
L69[05:05:43] <Izaya> time
L70[05:05:45] <Izaya> today
L71[05:05:46] <S3> heh
L72[05:06:16] <S3> I was looking into making myself a computer, but remembered, the one thing about OC is that early early game it can be expensive
L73[05:06:30] <Izaya> we have the resources for it to be relatively cheap now
L74[05:06:35] <S3> Sometimes I wish there was an OC machine as cheap as a CC machine just to "get started"
L75[05:06:39] * Izaya has two PsychOS2 machines set up upstairs
L76[05:07:02] <S3> I've been thinking about making a robot quarry thing
L77[05:07:11] <S3> somewhere
L78[05:07:29] <Izaya> vifino: https://picoevb.com/
L79[05:07:40] <Izaya> %tell vifino https://picoevb.com/
L80[05:07:40] <MichiBot> Izaya: vifino will be notified of this message when next seen.
L81[05:07:48] <Izaya> I presume they'll get that eventually
L82[05:07:57] <Izaya> S3: probably a solid idea, could use some automated mining
L83[05:08:09] <S3> WAIT
L84[05:08:17] <S3> that goes in your..
L85[05:08:26] <S3> ahahahahahaha but then you won't have no wifi
L86[05:08:29] <Izaya> s-stick it in the M.2 slot
L87[05:08:40] <Izaya> tfw two mPCIe slots but no M.2 slots
L88[05:08:46] <S3> ah
L89[05:09:39] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/aflvio.png
L90[05:10:46] <Izaya> got the network running up the side of the building via EnderIO conduits also
L91[05:10:53] <Izaya> they're in the walls :^)
L92[05:11:12] <S3> maybe I can
L93[05:11:15] <S3> ooh
L94[05:11:30] <S3> Maybe I can even make the robots do branch mining instead of just a giant hole
L95[05:11:43] <S3> so you can walk in them instead of fall in them
L96[05:11:57] <S3> oh crap do robots catch fire
L97[05:12:12] <Izaya> don't think so
L98[05:14:10] <S3> good
L99[05:14:27] <Forecaster> %potion
L100[05:14:27] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a ripe tomato potion
L101[05:14:31] <Forecaster> %drink ^
L102[05:14:31] <MichiBot> Forecaster gains one point of agility.
L103[05:15:56] <S3> %potion
L104[05:15:56] <MichiBot> S3: You get a porous yellow potion
L105[05:15:59] <S3> hmmmm
L106[05:16:05] <S3> at least it doesn't have tomatoes in it!
L107[05:16:08] <S3> %drink
L108[05:16:09] <MichiBot> Drink what?
L109[05:16:19] <S3> %drink ^
L110[05:16:19] <MichiBot> S3 has a single tear roll down their cheek for some reason.
L111[05:16:30] <S3> oh dumb
L112[05:16:31] <S3> "_
L113[05:16:33] <S3> :)
L114[05:19:30] <Izaya> >spend an hour looking for marble
L115[05:19:31] <Izaya> >come home
L116[05:19:37] <Izaya> >find 4 stacks in a box downstairs
L117[05:21:12] <S3> LOL
L118[05:21:33] <S3> I've been thinking more about the storage system
L119[05:21:56] <S3> can drones or robots read / write on paper somehow?
L120[05:22:08] <S3> even if through a machine
L121[05:22:10] <Izaya> Not sure about read, but we have OpenPrinter
L122[05:22:52] <S3> so, the problem with this idea is that it is slow
L123[05:23:24] <S3> but I realized if you stuff a piece of paper with writing in a crate you can make linked lists
L124[05:24:43] <Izaya> looks like someone's been messing with muh computers https://i.imgur.com/PkxyZcZ.png
L125[05:25:15] <S3> the problem is its a slow process to go to the crate, bring a paper back, read it and send the bot back
L126[05:25:39] <S3> which is why I wondered about reading from the robot
L127[05:26:15] <S3> an alternative is to store linked list lata on the server
L128[05:26:55] <S3> the downside is that if a disk is lost and inventory has to be rebuilt the lists are unknown
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L131[05:52:56] <Inari> %pet Temia
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L134[06:13:31] <MichiBot> AmandaC REMINDER: dump the SD card
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L136[06:38:03] <Forecaster> oh wow http://tinyurl.com/y9q9zy4u
L137[06:38:13] <Forecaster> could you get a more synergistic set of abilities
L138[06:40:02] <Inari> @Forecaster whats that?
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L140[06:40:29] <Forecaster> Ironcast
L141[06:40:46] <Joco223> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBOxia38PPc&feature=youtu.be Completely ditched the drone, this is now much faster
L142[06:40:47] <MichiBot> Inventory sorter v2 | length: 27s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 0 View: 1 | by Jovan Mihajlović | Published On 1/1/2019
L143[06:41:33] <Inari> @Joco223 v3 you mean
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L145[06:43:39] <Joco223> Yea :b
L146[06:57:18] <Forecaster> %tonk
L147[06:57:18] <MichiBot> Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of 47 minutes and 19 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L148[06:57:19] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 13 minutes and 38 seconds
L149[06:57:51] <Forecaster> \o/
L150[06:57:53] <Forecaster> that's better
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L152[07:36:04] <Joco223> Is there a way to differentiate between ram sticks when using an inventory controller/transposer?
L153[07:37:12] <Joco223> Also, they seem to have some "damage" on them
L154[07:37:22] <Joco223> According to the stack info from inventory controller
L155[07:37:26] <Joco223> Does that matter?
L156[07:38:05] <Joco223> Hmm doesn't seem like it
L157[07:39:01] <AmandaC> They each have their own "name" don't they?
L158[07:43:46] <Izaya> ~w sides
L159[07:43:46] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:sides
L160[07:46:11] <Joco223> They are all "opencomputers:component"
L161[07:46:29] <Joco223> Something along those lines but they have the same name
L162[07:46:43] <Forecaster> the damage value should be the type then
L163[07:47:37] <ben_mkiv> they have a address?!
L164[07:48:21] <Forecaster> that's stored in nbt and also doesn't tell you what type of ram it is
L165[07:50:28] <ben_mkiv> yea right
L166[08:03:13] <Izaya> ~w redstone
L167[08:03:13] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:redstone
L168[08:14:32] <Joco223> @Forecaster even that is the same, i tried with 3 pieces of tier 2 ram with different addresses, it doesn't differentiate them
L169[08:14:56] <Forecaster> I thought you wanted the type
L170[08:15:04] <Forecaster> what are you after exactly?
L171[08:16:11] <Bob> I dont think the PC can manipulate RAM this way
L172[08:16:21] <Bob> it isnt even a component as far as i know
L173[08:23:53] <Izaya> \o/
L174[08:23:59] <Izaya> got my OpenSec biometric door thing working
L175[08:24:06] <Joco223> Well I am making this inventory management system, you can see it sorting in the video I sent earlier. Now the problem is, it currently checks if the name, label and damage value are the same to determine if that item that needs to be sorted already exists in the system
L176[08:24:23] <Izaya> now to figure out why the service is being spawned as "nil"
L177[08:24:28] <Joco223> And the memory items don't differentiate themselves by any of that
L178[08:24:37] <Joco223> Only by address
L179[08:24:47] <Joco223> So it fails to sort them
L180[08:27:02] <Joco223> I think the only way to do it is to hard code an exception for memory sticks
L181[08:27:22] <Joco223> So their max stack size is 1
L182[08:32:36] <Forecaster> if they are different they wont stack anyway
L183[08:34:27] <Joco223> Yeah but the transpoer would try to put it in the same spot
L184[08:34:38] <Joco223> Since it doesn't know there is a difference
L185[08:36:44] <Forecaster> just try to put it there then, and if it fails find an empty spot
L186[08:48:39] <S3> Joco223 are you trying to do your own memory management? It's managed RAM, you can't do that..
L187[08:49:28] <AmandaC> S3: no, inventory management, which is breaking for memory sticks
L188[08:50:36] <S3> heh
L189[08:50:40] <S3> that would be interestig
L190[08:50:43] <S3> stackable memory
L191[08:51:33] * Izaya solders memory chips on top of other memory chips
L192[08:52:54] <S3> huh
L193[08:53:05] <S3> when this computer goes to sleep, it stores its data in GPU memory space
L194[08:53:26] <S3> so when I wake it up I have interesting designs on my OpenGL screens
L195[08:54:39] <S3> with lots of pink noise :D
L196[08:54:59] <Izaya> I had a laptop like that when I was in HS
L197[08:55:14] <S3> I have a discrete GPU so I don't know why it's happening
L198[08:55:35] <S3> I was sure discrete graphics had dedicated memory not in the standard physical memory space
L199[08:55:41] <Izaya> They were using ... only nominally compatible drivers, and if you minimised Minecraft the driver would crash and all the graphics memory would get corrupted
L200[08:56:02] <S3> lol
L201[08:56:04] <Izaya> S3: probably a memory window
L202[08:56:21] <S3> nice waterwheels!
L203[08:56:31] <S3> OH
L204[08:56:34] <S3> yeah it could be DMA
L205[08:58:19] <S3> lol squid have been getting chopped up in the watersheels
L206[09:03:26] <Joco223> @Forecaster That seems the best, thanks
L207[09:09:56] <Skye> but why would it be storing data in VRAM?
L208[09:30:19] <Izaya> Skye: probably buffers n stuff they wanted out of other areas of memory moved into the DMA window
L209[09:54:51] * Inari rubs ferrite dust into AmandaC's fur
L210[09:56:05] <Lizzy> %potion
L211[09:56:05] <MichiBot> Lizzy: You get a shiny pink potion
L212[09:56:09] <Lizzy> %drink ^
L213[09:56:09] <MichiBot> Lizzy's hair grows three times longer.
L214[09:56:27] <Lizzy> woo
L215[09:56:51] <Izaya> %drink shiny pink potion
L216[09:56:51] <MichiBot> Izaya's hair grows three times longer.
L217[09:56:59] <Lizzy> %tonk
L218[09:57:00] <MichiBot> Lizzy! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 2 hours, 13 minutes and 38 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L219[09:57:01] <MichiBot> Lizzy's new record is 2 hours, 59 minutes and 41 seconds
L220[09:57:02] <Izaya> Fuckin finally
L221[09:57:22] <Izaya> tfw hair hasn't grown significantly in a year
L222[09:57:30] <Izaya> I think I need to cut it a bit to
L223[09:57:34] <Izaya> ... encourage it
L224[09:57:52] <Inari> I don't think thats how tht works
L225[09:58:08] <Lizzy> %potion
L226[09:58:08] <MichiBot> Lizzy: You get a thick chocolate potion
L227[09:58:11] <Lizzy> %drin
L228[09:58:13] <Lizzy> %drink ^
L229[09:58:13] <MichiBot> Lizzy's hair grows three times longer.
L230[09:58:23] <Lizzy> uhoh
L231[10:02:41] <S3> ha ha ha
L232[10:03:44] <Inari> I hear real-hair wigs are expensive... *stocks up on potions to make money*
L233[10:29:10] <S3> k
L234[10:35:36] <Forecaster> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/conscious
L235[10:35:42] <Skye> Inari, Izaya: apparently it is how it works according to my mum
L236[10:35:46] <Skye> %potion
L237[10:35:46] <MichiBot> Skye: You get a gloomy white potion
L238[10:35:51] <Skye> %drink ^
L239[10:35:51] <MichiBot> Skye gains the ability to not be seen.
L240[10:35:59] * Skye vanishes
L241[10:36:10] <Inari> Skye: What is how what works
L242[10:36:40] <S3> what is a mum
L243[10:36:48] <S3> mummy?
L244[10:36:48] <Skye> S3, british mom
L245[10:36:52] <S3> ok
L246[10:36:55] <S3> Oh yeah I knew that
L247[10:37:08] <S3> there's a problem with that
L248[10:37:54] * Izaya grumbles about american english
L249[10:38:05] <S3> the problem is that mom spells wow upside down
L250[10:38:14] <S3> but mum upside down is weird
L251[10:38:19] <S3> %flip mum
L252[10:38:19] <MichiBot> S3: (╯°□°）╯ɯnɯ
L253[10:38:26] <Izaya> wnw
L254[10:38:28] <S3> %flip mom
L255[10:38:28] <MichiBot> S3: (╯°□°）╯ɯoɯ
L256[10:38:33] <S3> %flip wow
L257[10:38:33] <MichiBot> S3: (╯°□°）╯ʍoʍ
L258[10:38:45] <Inari> %flip ^
L259[10:38:45] <MichiBot> Inari: (╯°□°）╯wow╯）°□°╯)
L260[10:38:50] <Inari> Pls
L261[10:39:23] <S3> you want something cool?
L262[10:39:30] <S3> %flip swims
L263[10:39:30] <MichiBot> S3: (╯°□°）╯sɯıʍs
L264[10:40:17] <S3> there's also words like..
L265[10:40:31] <S3> %flip dooms
L266[10:40:31] <MichiBot> S3: (╯°□°）╯sɯoop
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L269[11:15:36] <Inari> %flip boobs
L270[11:15:36] <MichiBot> Inari: (╯°□°）╯sqooq
L271[11:15:41] <Inari> sqooq
L272[11:25:36] <Skye> Inari: lewd.
L273[11:29:46] <Rph> Is there any way to parse deep tables passed to a component in a cleaner way than fiddling with casting AbstractTableMaps?
L274[11:30:48] <Rph> And the method with casting and using weird stuff doesn't even work with architecture set to lua 5.3
L275[11:35:00] <Forecaster> ooh, `Super Hot Watch` and `Remote Bullets`
L276[11:35:05] <Forecaster> this is looking good
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L278[13:37:27] <Mimiru> %potion
L279[13:37:27] <MichiBot> Mimiru: You get a fragrant citrus potion
L280[13:37:32] <Mimiru> %drink ^
L281[13:37:32] <MichiBot> Mimiru's bones turn blue.
L282[13:37:35] <Mimiru> ... huh
L283[13:38:10] <Forecaster> %tonk
L284[13:38:11] <MichiBot> Forecaster! You beat Lizzy's previous record of 2 hours, 59 minutes and 41 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L285[13:38:12] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 hours, 41 minutes and 11 seconds
L286[13:55:45] <Inari> %potion
L287[13:55:45] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a muddy tuna potion
L288[13:55:47] <Inari> %dirnk ^
L289[13:55:52] <Inari> %drink ^
L290[13:55:52] <MichiBot> Inari's hair turns to the color of green.
L291[14:01:03] <Skye> Inari: you're an anime girl!
L292[14:01:07] <Skye> %potion
L293[14:01:07] <MichiBot> Skye: You get a cloudy red potion
L294[14:01:13] <Skye> %drink ^
L295[14:01:13] <MichiBot> Skye feels a sudden surge of static electricity.
L296[14:01:16] <Skye> Zzt
L297[14:01:26] <Inari> Hm I don't like green hair much though
L298[14:08:40] <S3> %flip no?
L299[14:08:40] <MichiBot> S3: (╯°□°）╯¿ou
L300[14:08:45] <S3> oops
L301[14:09:05] <S3> Inari: green hair is a bit weird
L302[14:09:28] <Inari> I kinda like my brown hair. Salmon hair might be nice too though.
L303[14:09:36] <S3> salmon hair
L304[14:10:02] <Forecaster> there's no salmon unfortunately
L305[14:10:04] <S3> so kind of like a pink red rock star hair?
L306[14:10:09] <Forecaster> among the colors is actually "tuna" though :P
L307[14:10:20] <Forecaster> which is why that sentence is worded like that
L308[14:10:23] <S3> therre's tons of salmon
L309[14:11:08] <S3> Forecaster: cod?
L310[14:11:13] <S3> pollock..
L311[14:11:28] <Inari> S3: Hm I'd feel ike rockstars would have more of a bubblegum
L312[14:11:34] <S3> Inari: what about teal?
L313[14:11:41] <Inari> Teal can be nice
L314[14:11:51] <Inari> Or red even
L315[14:11:53] <S3> I suppose it could count as green..
L316[14:12:02] <Inari> Yeah, but its sort of a bright-blue green
L317[14:12:30] <S3> All of a sudden in the past 5 years there's been this sudden "hair color" thing going on here
L318[14:12:44] <Inari> Hm?
L319[14:12:48] <S3> before that nobody ever dyed their hair unless they wanted a richer blonde than they had or something
L320[14:12:54] <S3> here
L321[14:12:54] <Inari> Haha
L322[14:13:01] <S3> it's just exploded recently
L323[14:13:08] <Inari> I wish more people would use cute hair accessories
L324[14:13:10] <S3> there's a lot of blue purple and green haired people all of a sudden here.
L325[14:13:13] <S3> lol
L326[14:13:36] <S3> my other half wants to dye her hair, but I think she should not
L327[14:14:19] <S3> Her hair is naturally auburn red and she has never dyed it, and I don't know much about coloring hair but it seemed like dying it would be a bad idea
L328[14:14:37] <S3> It's very pretty, but that's just my opinion
L329[14:14:51] <Inari> Yeah, sadly non-blonde hair doesn't dye well. Have to bleach it first, which is bad for the hair
L330[14:15:09] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L331[14:15:09] <MichiBot> I'm sorry CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 3 hours, 41 minutes and 11 seconds this time.
L332[14:15:10] <MichiBot> 36 minutes and 58 seconds were wasted!
L333[14:15:26] <Inari> %pet CompanionCube
L334[14:15:31] <Skye> Inari: if you have brown hair, dying it red works pretty well
L335[14:15:44] <Inari> I suppose it works for some colours, yeah
L336[14:16:02] <S3> it looks almost exactly like this: https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fhairstylehub.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2FRich-Coppery-Auburn.jpg&f=1
L337[14:16:06] <S3> though I don't know who that person is
L338[14:16:14] <Forecaster> I have fairly dark brown hair, so I had to bleach mine first
L339[14:16:15] <S3> even the curls are the same lol
L340[14:16:24] <Inari> Thats pretty nice from a colour perspective
L341[14:16:25] <S3> she likes to straighten her hair though
L342[14:16:30] <S3> for some weird reason
L343[14:16:35] <Inari> Thats cause curls suck
L344[14:16:37] <Inari> :p
L345[14:16:40] <S3> do they?
L346[14:16:43] <Inari> Yes
L347[14:16:44] <Forecaster> D:
L348[14:16:51] <S3> when I had long hair my hair curled and I didn't really care
L349[14:16:56] <Forecaster> hmpf
L350[14:16:59] <S3> I used to have hair down almost to my butt
L351[14:17:01] <Forecaster> I have naturally curly hair
L352[14:17:02] <Inari> Straight hair is the best
L353[14:17:14] <S3> but I cut it all off one day and never grew it out again
L354[14:17:19] <Inari> @Forecaster but you're a guy
L355[14:17:26] <S3> right
L356[14:17:31] <Forecaster> so?
L357[14:17:36] <S3> I used to be called prince of persia in high school
L358[14:17:41] <S3> loo
L359[14:17:43] <Inari> Looks better on guys (and with a bit shorter hair) than on girls
L360[14:17:43] <S3> lol*
L361[14:17:44] <Inari> :p
L362[14:18:05] <S3> it was always in the way
L363[14:18:09] <S3> I'm glad I don't have long hair
L364[14:18:11] <Inari> Just like glasses look totally terrible on girls, but can look quite nice on guys
L365[14:18:13] <S3> I'll grow it shaggy and stuff but
L366[14:18:57] <S3> I used to wear glasses. my other half wears them, I think they look pretty nice
L367[14:19:02] <Skye> People are jealous of my hair
L368[14:19:06] <Skye> Lol
L369[14:19:10] <S3> I got her to get these blue framed glasses they're super cute
L370[14:19:15] <Inari> This talk just reminds me of ALL
L371[14:19:38] <Inari> %inv add a lock of ALL's hair
L372[14:19:38] * MichiBot summons 'a lock of ALL's hair' and adds to her inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L373[14:19:45] <S3> lol
L374[14:20:15] <S3> Skye: she had the same problem
L375[14:20:33] <S3> she apparently even had a teacher that was sort of aggressively jealous of her hair
L376[14:20:42] <Inari> Weird
L377[14:20:45] <S3> I agree
L378[14:21:08] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXTO3m1B_h4 I'm kinda jealous of her hair
L379[14:21:08] <MichiBot> DAOKO × 中田ヤスタカ「ぼくらのネットワーク」MUSIC VIDEO | length: 3m 50s | Likes: 39,245 Dislikes: 1,128 Views: 2,313,041 | by daoko_jp | Published On 16/11/2018
L380[14:21:08] <Inari> :P
L381[14:21:15] <S3> Though in reality she's sensitive and I think she just took her wrong
L382[14:21:24] <S3> she's always afraid everyone hates her lol
L383[14:22:11] <S3> To be honest she needs some new friends and some of them are kind of mean to her
L384[14:22:35] <S3> One of them recently took her out for a run in the woods with some friends and they all ditched her alone in some fork in the road
L385[14:22:53] <S3> miles from home
L386[14:23:01] <Inari> Oo
L387[14:23:02] <Inari> Weird
L388[14:23:10] <S3> People are idiots
L389[14:24:17] <S3> But I do not attempt to understand
L390[14:26:00] <S3> She was pretty terrified and if she had gone the wrong direction she would have been going towards a set of forks that go absolutely in the middle f nowhere.. not that she wasnt in the middle of nowhere already
L391[14:26:17] <S3> I'm just glad she had cell phone service or something to call in for help
L392[14:44:11] <Skye> yikes
L393[14:50:05] <Wattana Gaming> Whats S3 mumbling about?
L394[14:54:42] <S3> Oh hey Wattana
L395[14:54:48] <S3> did you figure out your fs stuff?
L396[14:55:16] <S3> Wattana I was telling a story to Inari about how some people are really messed up
L397[14:55:46] <Inari> Not like Wattana couldn't read up on that
L398[14:55:47] <Inari> :p
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L404[19:37:13] <doka> Sex Dating > http://discord.amazingsexdating.com
L405[19:38:00] <Izaya> I'm kinda surprised at the lack of Discord spammers up until now tbh
L406[19:38:07] <Bob> Oh fuck another one
L407[19:38:15] <Bob> just got one on COFH's discord
L408[19:38:27] <Bob> Why MC discord servers
L409[19:38:32] <Bob> especially advanced ones
L410[19:38:45] <Izaya> s/servers/guilds/
L411[19:38:45] <MichiBot> <Bob> Why MC discord guilds
L412[19:38:46] <Izaya> :^)
L413[19:39:11] <Izaya> today's fun idea: abuse the browser Discord uses into spamming every channel a user is in
L414[19:40:14] <Bob> *Guild* moderator : set security to high to allow only accounts with confirmed phone numbers and 10 minutes of being in this server
L415[19:40:20] <Bob> /shrug
L416[19:40:39] <Bob> Well it would also probably mute half the memebrs
L417[19:41:28] <Bob> Ive seend alot of these spammers last time
L418[19:41:28] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L419[19:41:47] <Izaya> man that'd be shit eh?
L420[19:41:55] <Izaya> having to give Discord your phone number to talk anywhere
L421[19:42:07] <Izaya> positively dystopian
L422[19:43:25] <Bob> :/
L423[19:43:46] <Izaya> maybe it'd encourage some of the users to switch to IRC or other worthwhile platforms which wouldn't be a bad thing
L424[19:43:56] <Izaya> carry on
L425[19:44:11] <Bob> Yea i was on IRC a bit then quickly got over discord
L426[19:45:22] <Bob> It hss features i like so i use it
L427[19:45:34] <Bob> :totalynotemotespam:
L428[19:46:31] <Izaya> The emotes are among my least favourite features of such software
L429[19:48:15] <Bob> i cant do anything about it, i also use discord for VC a lot
L430[19:48:26] <Bob> i dont use viber or any of that stuff, only discord
L431[19:48:42] <Izaya> VC?
L432[19:50:20] <Bob> Voice Chat
L433[19:50:30] <Izaya> oh okay
L434[19:50:30] <Bob> And the Screenshare sometimes
L435[19:50:36] * Izaya likes mumble for voice
L436[19:50:50] <Bob> I dont like having much applications on
L437[19:51:12] <Bob> Already the mighty chrome, i should switch over firefox but cant get used to it
L438[19:51:27] <Izaya> Mumble and IRC is a lot lighter than an instance of Chrome, just saying
L439[19:52:01] <Bob> I know but still
L440[19:52:14] <Bob> The only IRC clients ive used so far, where web versions
L441[19:52:22] <Izaya> my condolences
L442[19:54:02] <Izaya> oh, mumble's using a lot of memory today, 73MB
L443[19:54:37] <Izaya> >notification.py for weechat is using as much memory as weechat itself: 45MB
L444[19:54:46] <Izaya> fucking python, every time
L445[19:56:00] <Bob> Why?
L446[19:56:15] <Izaya> ?
L447[19:56:25] <Bob> fuck python
L448[19:56:35] <Izaya> mostly a joke
L449[19:57:18] <Izaya> just an observation that the python runtime is heavier than I'd like
L450[19:57:28] <Izaya> lighter than javascript runtimes I guess :^)
L451[19:58:10] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/eqmaiIl.png
L452[19:59:03] <Bob> I dont know much about the differennt languages runtimes and how they work so...
L453[19:59:45] <Bob> With my 8 years old PC, modded minecraft is the worst game in terms of performance
L454[19:59:58] <Bob> Especially when the count gets above 80
L455[20:00:15] <Izaya> if you have an 8 year old machine you should probably consider native software to replace stuff you're running in a web browser tbh
L456[20:00:50] <Bob> I run the softwares yea vut sometimes i dont need em really
L457[20:00:59] <Bob> so a web version is really convinient
L458[20:01:09] <Bob> my machine isnt bad, but isnt powerfull too
L459[20:01:16] <Bob> especially now with all that RTX stuff
L460[20:01:35] <Bob> I can squeeze 60 fps in most games with some tweaking but never in MC
L461[20:01:53] <Izaya> MC is ... weird for framerate and optimisation
L462[20:03:04] <Izaya> You need a fucktonne of memory and it's often CPU bound
L463[20:03:20] <Izaya> but don't skimp on GPU either or for whatever reason shit will go sideways because the rendering code is a mess
L464[20:03:42] <Bob> YEA FUCKING HELL
L465[20:03:52] <Bob> And those memory leaks :ForsenWhy:
L466[20:04:16] <Izaya> optifine exists but it'll break the rendering of other mods that are working around weirdness in the engine
L467[20:04:22] <Bob> Modders need to recreate the game from 0
L468[20:04:40] <Izaya> I can't blame them for rewriting the game for Pocket Edition For Windows 10
L469[20:04:52] <Bob> Well Optifine works perfectly fine but it needs alot of tweaking and sometimes breaks the rendering but now all mods seems comaptible with Optifine so far
L470[20:04:52] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L471[20:04:59] <Izaya> I wouldn't want to maintain that shit
L472[20:05:17] <Bob> Well Bedrock is a rewrite but the modding community isnt into it
L473[20:05:20] <Izaya> Bob: I mean, Minetest exists
L474[20:05:23] <ben_mkiv> disable terrain animation in optifine that gives the largest boost
L475[20:05:24] <Izaya> Which is both better and worse
L476[20:05:34] <ben_mkiv> but sadly disables block animations
L477[20:05:37] <Bob> Lmao i agree totally Izaya
L478[20:05:43] <Izaya> It has a C++ core with a real modding API
L479[20:05:53] <Bob> ^
L480[20:05:57] <Izaya> but the GUI support is shit and nobody has done much significant with it and the gameplay itself is lacking
L481[20:06:05] <Bob> ^
L482[20:06:14] <Bob> The GUI is horrible
L483[20:06:18] <Izaya> I want to like it but I can't get into it
L484[20:06:26] <Izaya> yeah it's gonna be rewritten eventually
L485[20:06:33] <Izaya> with something more useful
L486[20:06:48] <Izaya> The shit you have to do to update a UI while someone's looking at it...
L487[20:06:48] <Bob> Java will get a graphical engine and more modding support
L488[20:08:21] <Bob> Bedrock can be modable but so far ive seen no mods whatsoever
L489[20:08:28] <Bob> and i prefer java for no reason
L490[20:08:37] <Bob> altought its engine is literally killing my pc
L491[20:08:43] <Izaya> The mods I want are on the Java version
L492[20:08:48] <Bob> Same
L493[20:08:56] <Izaya> It may be heavier than some AAA games but damn it give me those mods
L494[20:09:09] <Bob> I agree
L495[20:09:20] <Izaya> Eventually Minetest will be more practical.
L496[20:09:20] <Bob> Its heavier than AAA games
L497[20:09:32] <Izaya> But that day is unfortunately not today.
L498[20:09:36] <Izaya> Terasology is also interesting
L499[20:09:36] <Bob> i get better framerate on Hitamn with my machine than on MC
L500[20:09:46] <Izaya> It's still java but it's prettier and lighter
L501[20:09:55] <Bob> *We all gonna go on hytale soon*
L502[20:10:08] <Bob> idk terasology
L503[20:10:16] <Izaya> I don't know how the modding API is but there's a fair few things using it
L504[20:10:21] <ben_mkiv> java could get a large fps boost if someone would sit down and write something that caches textures in the GPU
L505[20:10:36] <ben_mkiv> and rather uses UVMapping than reloading textures to gpu for each frame
L506[20:11:12] <Bob> ^
L507[20:11:27] <Bob> I jope the Blaze3D 1.15 thing wont be a disaster
L508[20:11:35] <Bob> and will work with mods
L509[20:11:43] <Izaya> Blaze3D?
L510[20:11:44] <ben_mkiv> that could involve something like that? dunno
L511[20:11:59] <ben_mkiv> its a rewrite of the graphics lib
L512[20:12:08] <Bob> Name of tthe rewrite for the graphical engine for mc 1.15-
L513[20:12:11] <Izaya> oh, neat
L514[20:12:20] <Izaya> they're actually adding something with an update
L515[20:12:22] * Izaya counts
L516[20:12:28] <Izaya> It's been a few years since that happened :D
L517[20:12:41] <payonel> @"Wattana Gaming" still have fs questions?
L518[20:12:44] <Bob> **few**
L519[20:14:36] <Bob> If bedrock gets Thermal, AE2, OC, EnderIO, and some other few mods
L520[20:14:43] <Bob> i could perfectly play that
L521[20:15:03] <Izaya> I couldn't given it's not cross-platform
L522[20:15:11] <Izaya> but I can understand that POV
L523[20:15:40] <Bob> Modding for other versions of Bedrock im not sure
L524[20:16:05] <Izaya> I mean, it doesn't run on my platform as it's not cross platform
L525[20:17:42] <Bob> Bedrock isnt on linux ?
L526[20:17:59] <Izaya> Nope, Windows 10 only, which rules it out entirely for me.
L527[20:18:10] <Bob> Oh for fuck sake
L528[20:18:19] <Bob> also LUL WAT
L529[20:18:25] <Bob> well riperino
L530[20:18:34] <Izaya> I'm sure t20kdc could explain the situation better
L531[20:18:41] <Bob> There is powershell on ubuntu
L532[20:18:50] <Izaya> yeah don'tcha know
L533[20:18:54] <Bob> then you can install appx packages in it
L534[20:18:59] <Izaya> Microsoft <3 Linux as long as it doesn't touch the bottom line
L535[20:19:04] <Bob> Well im not skilled with powershell at all
L536[20:19:27] <Bob> I couldnt switch to linux on my actual pc and did the error to go to windows 10
L537[20:19:35] <Bob> should have kept the 7th
L538[20:19:53] <Izaya> 8.1 Embedded was surprisingly pleasant
L539[20:20:02] <Izaya> but I've gotten rid of all the Windows instances in my house now so eh
L540[20:20:31] <Bob> windows 8 ew
L541[20:20:34] <Izaya> With the exception of appliances and management processors nothing is running a proprietary operating system in my residence :D
L542[20:20:41] <Bob> i will switch to linux on my future build
L543[20:21:04] <Bob> Well windows is practical but not as powerfull as linux
L544[20:21:18] <Izaya> man it still spins me out that I'm hearing my gamer friends talking about switching to linux
L545[20:21:24] <Bob> especially its security system and root peovilieges
L546[20:21:32] <Bob> I wanted linux a long time ago
L547[20:21:38] <Bob> but my pc doesnt like it at all
L548[20:21:48] <Izaya> what sorta hardware you got?
L549[20:21:50] <Bob> cant get NVidia drivers without fucking the pc up
L550[20:22:07] <Izaya> also Windows NT is a very powerful kernel with a shit userland which is exceedingly disappointing
L551[20:22:20] <Bob> GTX 650, i3-3320 3.3Ghz 2 Cores and 8 Gigs of DDR3 1600Mhz
L552[20:22:28] <Izaya> ah not too bad
L553[20:22:31] <Bob> with an pretty powerfull 1TB harderive
L554[20:22:32] <Bob> yea
L555[20:22:34] <Bob> 8 years
L556[20:22:37] <Bob> 9 soonish
L557[20:22:45] <Izaya> 6 months ago I had an i3 4160, 16GB and a GTX 690
L558[20:22:48] <Bob> Its powrrfull but not really at the same time
L559[20:23:02] <Izaya> the NVIDIA drivers are actually relatively okay nowadays
L560[20:23:14] <Bob> Still fucks up the pc so hard
L561[20:23:26] <Bob> I will better not start to kill it anyways
L562[20:23:28] <Izaya> the AMD drivers are better because they're in-kernel and FOSS but the NVIDIA drivers probably won't break your xorg in most instances
L563[20:23:52] <Bob> I should chose an OS for the pc
L564[20:24:00] <Bob> im hesitating between Mint and Ubuntu
L565[20:24:02] <Izaya> Threw the proprietary NVIDIA drivers on my mum's machine the other day and on mint it was pretty much go to the driver manager, select proprietary drivers instead of FOSS ones, and hit apply
L566[20:24:19] <Bob> Well my drivers where just going like crazy
L567[20:24:19] * Izaya suggests Mint or Xubuntu
L568[20:24:26] <Bob> ^^
L569[20:24:32] <Bob> Im thinking about those 3
L570[20:24:48] * Izaya does not like the desktop environment Ubuntu comes with
L571[20:25:01] <Bob> yea a bit strange
L572[20:25:22] <Bob> for now ill keep windows 10 and start to learn all that linux stuff so
L573[20:25:57] <Bob> For my family, i will leave windows, i dont want to bother starting teaching all the stuff
L574[20:26:38] <Bob> I just need to have working GPU drivers, Notepad++, Wine 64x working on the future build, and all thay while being compatible with linux or the OS i will use
L575[20:27:01] <Bob> i will peoba maybe dual boot Linux as main OS amd Windows 7 as an reserve OS
L576[20:27:06] <Izaya> if you're planning to build a new machine I'm gonna suggest taking AMD over NVIDIA
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L578[20:27:34] <Izaya> Though given pricing I guess that's the way it'll go for a while anyway
L579[20:27:36] <anopenkeyboard> test
L580[20:27:44] <Izaya> ey
L581[20:28:05] <Bob> Im really hesitating this last time
L582[20:28:26] <Bob> Amd / Intel and Amd/Nvidia alot
L583[20:28:26] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L584[20:28:40] <Bob> For the CPU I might go with an AMD one
L585[20:28:50] <Bob> for the GPU with NVIDIA but unsure really
L586[20:29:00] <Bob> will depends on the money ill get
L587[20:29:01] <Izaya> CES is in a few days
L588[20:29:04] <Izaya> that's gonna be interesting
L589[20:29:08] <Bob> with all those fancy price tags
L590[20:29:18] * Izaya is hoping for a cheap 8GB video card
L591[20:29:23] <Bob> Well i will nuy my PC arround summer / end of the year
L592[20:29:40] <Bob> *me : manaages to play decent games with 1gb*
L593[20:30:00] <Bob> *me : has 4 useless gb of dedicated ram for the gpu thats never used*
L594[20:30:01] <Izaya> native games are fine with 4GB
L595[20:30:24] <Izaya> but under WINE and DXVK I'm running at 100% VRAM usage most of the time
L596[20:30:37] <Izaya> https://fedi.lynnesbian.space/users/lynnesbian/statuses/101317405944768051 re: ubuntu's desktop environment
L597[20:30:40] <Bob> I will see
L598[20:30:48] <Bob> Since i often host also servers
L599[20:31:09] <Bob> My ISP recently also closed my ports and wont open them
L600[20:31:18] <Bob> so now i have like 4 hamachi networks
L601[20:31:32] <Bob> im so glad that for this Christmas i got -60mbps in internet speed
L602[20:31:40] <Bob> im not from 90 going back to 25
L603[20:31:51] <Izaya> I'd say get a new ISP but I presume you're in the US so there's a monopoly in your area
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L606[20:32:22] <Izaya> tfw can't get unlimited allowance AND 100mbps for any amount of money, only one or the other
L607[20:33:13] <Bob> Im in Belgium
L608[20:33:18] <Bob> everywhere copper cable
L609[20:33:21] <Bob> and no fiber
L610[20:33:33] <Bob> and limited to 500GB
L611[20:33:57] <Izaya> oof
L612[20:34:09] <Bob> The internet situation is getting better but its fucking awfull
L613[20:34:12] <Izaya> I'm in aus and we've had our fibre network stolen by the government
L614[20:34:17] <Bob> has 8/1bps for 7 years
L615[20:34:29] <Bob> mbps*
L616[20:34:40] <Izaya> so now our network upgrade is going from ADSL to VDSL
L617[20:34:44] <Izaya> wonderful /s
L618[20:34:46] <S3> well the ending to Horizon zero dawn is pretty interesting
L619[20:35:00] <Bob> :REEEE:
L620[20:35:07] <Bob> Im on VDSL now i think
L621[20:35:10] <Izaya> S3: I watched a playthrough it was excellent
L622[20:35:18] <S3> Izaya: there are some people who call in with ancient modems
L623[20:35:26] <S3> that we provided like 20 years ago
L624[20:35:32] <Izaya> yeah so am I, 50/20 unlimited, it's pretty okay considering, I was expecting worse
L625[20:35:36] <Izaya> S3: like you? :P
L626[20:35:39] <S3> and the moment we find out they have them it's like Yeah uh we're dispatching somebody rigt now to get you a new one
L627[20:35:42] <S3> no no
L628[20:35:44] <S3> these are ADSL modems
L629[20:35:58] <Izaya> oh
L630[20:36:10] <Izaya> oof
L631[20:36:13] <S3> some of them cant even ADSL2!
L632[20:36:23] <S3> and its like WHY DO YOU HAVE THIS?!
L633[20:36:41] <Bob> My isps modem is bullshit
L634[20:36:43] <S3> "Oh I dunno its the box you gaveme in like 1999"
L635[20:36:54] <Izaya> early ADSL was like 1.5/0.5Mbps
L636[20:37:06] <Bob> a lighting struck close to my apparment and it exploded
L637[20:37:12] <Bob> ISPs modems are landmines
L638[20:37:14] <Izaya> don't even get me started on ISP routers they make me want to stab someone
L639[20:37:15] <Bob> :thonk_dye:
L640[20:37:19] <S3> Izaya: yes early ADSL was like a broadband version of a T1
L641[20:37:22] <Bob> Same
L642[20:37:33] <Bob> I will invest into a pc and a router also
L643[20:37:38] <S3> although a T1 and DSL are super different
L644[20:37:46] <Izaya> "Set up a DMZ? Ha-ha, too bad, after a reboot I forget that setting!"
L645[20:37:47] <S3> considering T1 is not broadband at all
L646[20:37:48] <anopenkeyboard> Make your own router, best route every time
L647[20:38:00] <Bob> Dmz doesnt work if all ports are closed
L648[20:38:04] <Izaya> I finally tracked down a suitable cheap replacement for my WRT54GL which is nice
L649[20:38:37] <Izaya> $50 for a little ARM board with 128M of RAM, 16M of flash, 802.11ac and a USB port, as well as several ethernet ports
L650[20:40:01] <Bob> All i might need is an 200mbps dsl router with strong enough wifi and good configurability, so i can open ports
L651[20:40:13] <Bob> but frist ill have to call my isp to unlock the ports
L652[20:40:38] <Izaya> You'll want a cheap VDSL router that can work in bridge mode, and a competent board that can do either Linux of some form of BSD
L653[20:40:49] <Bob> :ForsenWhy: I mighr keep my actual old PC as a small server since the dualcore i3-3320 is pretty robyst
L654[20:40:58] <Bob> Yea basically
L655[20:41:08] <S3> I am using these Izaya: https://mikrotik.com/product/RB951G-2HnD
L656[20:41:08] <Izaya> hell yeah that'd make a cute server
L657[20:41:15] <S3> I have a few of them in my house
L658[20:41:27] <Izaya> I kinda want to buy a few Optiplex 3020 SFF or USFFs as servers
L659[20:41:37] <S3> They're quite nice little routers
L660[20:41:42] <Izaya> S3: these are the RouterOS ones, right?
L661[20:41:51] <S3> yes
L662[20:41:59] <S3> winbox works great on wine with no depends
L663[20:42:18] <Izaya> I'd prefer loonix to RouterOS tbh
L664[20:42:31] <S3> routeros is pretty frigging nice though
L665[20:42:33] <Izaya> I say as I talk to you via a fuckhuge L3 Cisco switch
L666[20:42:33] <S3> I have to admit
L667[20:42:37] <Bob> Yea ill keep some of my actual PC parts to make a server and try to put it into a smaller case
L668[20:42:46] <Bob> cause not the case is like almost empty
L669[20:43:02] <S3> [21:41] < S3> yes
L670[20:43:12] <Bob> i should be sleeping for like 6 hours
L671[20:43:16] <S3> the command line on the microtiks aren't bad
L672[20:43:31] <Izaya> ngl Mikrotik stuff is too expensive for me
L673[20:43:43] <S3> Izaya: buy a cloud core :D
L674[20:43:46] <S3> 80 Gbit Microtik
L675[20:44:10] <Izaya> I'm living on student benefits and most of my gear is either donated or heavily used
L676[20:44:35] <S3> you still should geta cloud core
L677[20:44:36] <S3> :)
L678[20:44:47] <Izaya> but I have a Catalyst 3750G
L679[20:45:13] <Bob> Well i live still with my parents but they dont see any benefits from the computing sector
L680[20:45:25] <S3> that is nothing in comparison to a cloud core, Izaya
L681[20:45:29] <S3> at any level :)
L682[20:45:39] <Izaya> I don't doubt it, but it was cheap
L683[20:47:21] <Bob> Well for the router ill see
L684[20:47:29] <Bob> i just now need to open ports
L685[20:47:37] <Bob> the isp router is shit
L686[20:47:45] <Bob> the older one software was so much better
L687[20:47:49] * Izaya isn't willing to expose a Cisco device to the internet given the known previous backdoors
L688[20:47:56] <Bob> but it coudlt do more than,30 m ps
L689[20:48:00] <Bob> cisco oof
L690[20:48:13] <Izaya> I unironically like Cisco gear too :<
L691[20:48:17] <Bob> isps routers are sagemcom
L692[20:48:44] <Izaya> the ISP router we were given is Netcomm which I think is a rebrand of something else
L693[20:49:07] <Izaya> but I have it set up to just pass all packets to my WRT54GL because openwrt stronk
L694[20:49:27] <Bob> openwrt
L695[20:49:32] <ben_mkiv> oO
L696[20:49:42] <ben_mkiv> WRT54GL wasnt even close to handle my vdsl
L697[20:49:43] <Bob> i wish i could reflash the isp router or atleast do something
L698[20:49:51] <Bob> its so damn crap
L699[20:50:00] <Izaya> ben_mkiv: it handles 50Mbps quite well
L700[20:50:00] <S3> but yeah
L701[20:50:07] <Izaya> Don't know how well it'd do 100Mbps
L702[20:50:09] <ben_mkiv> didnt for me
L703[20:50:12] <ben_mkiv> with 50mbps
L704[20:50:16] <Izaya> huh
L705[20:50:23] * Izaya checks
L706[20:50:24] <S3> I'm still planning to run infiniband in my office
L707[20:50:29] <S3> instead of ethernet
L708[20:50:37] <Izaya> It's a later rev WRT54G rather than a WRT54GL
L709[20:50:38] <S3> home office*
L710[20:50:40] <Izaya> but eh
L711[20:50:48] <ben_mkiv> i had the vdsl on the WAN Port with dhcp
L712[20:50:56] <ben_mkiv> idk what you have setup
L713[20:50:58] <S3> y u no static
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L715[20:51:12] <Izaya> Not one of the ones with the shitty nonfree RTOS but the later model anyway
L716[20:51:20] <ben_mkiv> or static, whatever. but it was WAN
L717[20:51:31] <Izaya> ben_mkiv: ah I don't have VDSL going to the WRT54GL it's just the designated DMZ on the ISP router
L718[20:51:42] <ben_mkiv> and i've used tomato firmware, but its pretty much the same
L719[20:52:08] <Izaya> I presume not handling PPPoE might be improving performance
L720[20:52:54] <ben_mkiv> idk, or the wan port is restricted to 10mbit, never really checked that xD
L721[20:53:29] <S3> ben_mkiv: you know how to get really fast ADSL right?
L722[20:53:48] <ben_mkiv> huh?
L723[20:53:50] <S3> or VDSL even
L724[20:53:53] <S3> you go to the NID
L725[20:54:00] <S3> and you pull on the wires until they come out
L726[20:54:06] <ben_mkiv> xD
L727[20:54:06] <S3> itl give you faster speeds
L728[20:54:15] <ben_mkiv> because they upgrade?
L729[20:54:24] <S3> no lol
L730[20:54:35] <S3> I mean you know what a NID is right?
L731[20:55:01] <Bob> just did a speedtest
L732[20:55:05] <ben_mkiv> its probably the next distributor box in the neighbourhood?
L733[20:55:19] <Bob> the fuck is going on, i had 25/24 now upload down to 14
L734[20:55:27] <Bob> now 59/14
L735[20:55:32] <Bob> not bad but not good also
L736[20:55:41] <Bob> http://www.speedtest.net/result/7923988369
L737[20:55:46] <Bob> Well
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L739[20:56:04] <Bob> Never mind, i will just try to get my potts working
L740[20:56:11] <S3> the NID is the box where your drop comes to your building and into your house. It's usually outside your house but sometimes in the basement or on the pole
L741[20:56:14] <S3> rarely on the pole
L742[20:56:29] <ben_mkiv> yea its in the basement here
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L744[20:56:34] <ben_mkiv> large house with many flats
L745[20:56:44] <ben_mkiv> also no access for plebs
L746[20:56:45] <S3> if you have a telephone wiring issue, make sure you ALWAYS, -ALWAYS- test at the NID
L747[20:56:59] <S3> that will tell you if your problem is inside wiring or telephone company property
L748[20:58:36] <S3> in my case I have a NID and then a DMARC in the basement
L749[20:58:42] <S3> NID outside the house
L750[20:58:57] <S3> that's because instead of a normal junction I have 66 blocks to run all of my wiring
L751[20:59:08] <Izaya> hat is a NID
L752[20:59:24] <S3> ?
L753[20:59:29] <S3> hat is a nid
L754[20:59:30] <S3> ?
L755[20:59:37] <Izaya> what
L756[20:59:44] <S3> \I just said!
L757[20:59:52] <S3> it's the little box where your phone lines come into your house
L758[20:59:57] <Izaya> what does it do
L759[20:59:59] <S3> there's a terminal inside of it
L760[21:00:06] <Izaya> is it just a box with wires
L761[21:00:17] <S3> yes. usually with RJ11 jacks in it and screw terminals
L762[21:00:24] <Izaya> oh okay
L763[21:00:37] <S3> you camn take a phone out there or a DSL modem and check for a dialtone on the pole etc
L764[21:00:44] <S3> if your DSL / phone doesn't work
L765[21:00:52] <S3> itl tell you if its the phone company's fault or not instantly
L766[21:01:12] <Izaya> well, there's no dial tones on the phone lines now
L767[21:01:16] <S3> at least in the Us that's how we do iyt
L768[21:01:35] <Izaya> given the phone system is basically gone in favour of VOIP
L769[21:01:36] <S3> you guys only have fiber POTS?
L770[21:01:41] <Izaya> hahaha no
L771[21:01:43] <S3> or some sort of digital system
L772[21:01:51] <S3> so heres the thing
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L774[21:02:21] <Bob> *fiber*
L775[21:02:32] <Bob> doesnt exist in Belgium at all
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L777[21:02:42] <S3> The problem with VOIP to the prem
L778[21:02:42] <Izaya> we have fibre to VDSL distribution boxes on the street
L779[21:02:50] <S3> is that you need power at the prem to have DT
L780[21:02:58] <Izaya> your ISP will generally but not always provide a SIP account or two
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L782[21:03:32] <S3> in an american POTS system that is a traditional analog POTS, you will have power at the CO or remote
L783[21:03:40] <S3> usually backed by generator power and batteries
L784[21:03:45] * Izaya nods
L785[21:03:59] <Izaya> Know how everyone says to solve that here?
L786[21:04:04] <Izaya> Use a mobile phone -_-
L787[21:04:16] <S3> The problem with that is you need power to charge them
L788[21:04:20] * Izaya nods
L789[21:04:27] <S3> and in rural areas that isn't very sufficient
L790[21:04:34] <Izaya> yeah uh
L791[21:04:39] <Izaya> the whole system isn't very sufficient
L792[21:04:42] <S3> lol
L793[21:04:47] <S3> here's the other problem
L794[21:04:53] <S3> like I said I work for the telephone company
L795[21:05:00] <Izaya> I still love that cheaping out and going with VDSL ended up costing more than running FTTP
L796[21:05:02] <ben_mkiv> mimiru guess you gonna hate me, as ive changed so much for now that backporting would be a pain
L797[21:05:02] <S3> but here's the other issue with VOIP to the prem
L798[21:05:29] <S3> often in cases of VOIP to the prem there's a NId that provides analog DT
L799[21:05:34] <S3> for analog phones
L800[21:05:44] <S3> and customers treat it like an analog POTS
L801[21:05:53] <ben_mkiv> but i got a nice solution, just drop 1.7.10 + 1.10.2 support :>
L802[21:06:09] <S3> customers will call you and tell you that their phone line is noisy and you have to come fix it
L803[21:06:17] <S3> but here's the problem, VOIP to prem is almost always SIP
L804[21:07:01] <S3> and the ONLY thing that can cause noise is analog equipment, either the end point, your phone or the connection to your VOIP NID, headset, handset, whatever, any spot in between that's analog..
L805[21:07:15] <S3> but there's no such thing as a noisy SIP connection
L806[21:07:16] <S3> XD
L807[21:07:21] <Izaya> The 'NBN Ready' routers here have a jack on them for analog phones which is ... a solution
L808[21:07:26] <Izaya> yeah there's no noise with digital
L809[21:07:28] <wozensli> So...working for the phone company, can you tell me how to cheaply subpoena them for identifying the scam callers that ring me every day?
L810[21:07:30] <S3> and 99.9% of the time it's always your damn phone or cord
L811[21:07:44] <Izaya> doesn't SIP use some back asswards encoding for audio though?
L812[21:08:03] <S3> SIP is just signalling
L813[21:08:07] <S3> it doesn't carry any audio
L814[21:08:17] <Mimiru> ben_mkiv, I've got a better solution!
L815[21:08:18] <Mimiru> No.
L816[21:08:23] <S3> and that's why most US telephone companies use SIP for switch to switch communication
L817[21:08:31] <Mimiru> 1.7 maybe, 1.10? nah
L818[21:08:50] <S3> in the Us when you pick up the phone at your house, the moment it hits the telephone remote or CO, it usually becomes SIP traffic
L819[21:08:52] <ben_mkiv> 1.10 is obsolet
L820[21:09:05] <ben_mkiv> but wouldnt probably be as much as work as backporting to 1.7.10
L821[21:09:13] <S3> this allows the telephone company to channel thousands of RTP audio streams through the same connection
L822[21:09:46] <S3> Izaya: unfortunately in the case of the Us, especially in rural areas many remotes do not use SIP, and instead use DS1s and sometimes DS3s
L823[21:09:54] <S3> but DS1s are still very popular.
L824[21:09:59] <Izaya> DS1s?
L825[21:10:11] <S3> You probably know them as a T1 / E1
L826[21:10:16] <Izaya> ah
L827[21:10:24] <Bob> This is getting to complicated
L828[21:10:37] <S3> DS1 is what a T1 actually is
L829[21:11:37] <S3> a DS1 or T1 is just a continuous bitstream of frames, each containing 24 8 bit octets and 1 frame bit, at a rate of 8Khz
L830[21:11:42] <S3> that is how you get 1.54Mbit
L831[21:12:16] <S3> so when you call people and you go through a T1 you're actually just one of 23 audio streams on some T1 with 8 bit audio
L832[21:12:19] <S3> literally, 8 bit.
L833[21:12:28] <S3> 1 octet is used for control information, not audio
L834[21:13:04] <S3> The really cool thing about this is that a T1 can carry G.729
L835[21:13:18] <S3> and this is also why you can't do 56K dialup on a T1
L836[21:13:43] <S3> there's only 8Khz bandwidth, so even if it was ideal perfect you could only get up to half that 4Kbit
L837[21:14:02] <S3> since you really need two samples per baud sumbol
L838[21:14:09] <S3> symbol*
L839[21:14:18] <S3> How you holding up Bob?
L840[21:14:56] <S3> Izaya: there's something terrifying I'm about to tell you
L841[21:15:28] <S3> there are plenty of places in this world with sucky ADSL not because ADSL but because their telephone company is running 10 customers off 3 or 4 T1s.
L842[21:15:31] <S3> LOL
L843[21:15:47] * Izaya aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
L844[21:16:11] <S3> and these companies will give each customer like 3 mbit
L845[21:16:21] <S3> when there's only 6 mbit of bandwidth to the entire remote!
L846[21:16:25] <S3> for that entire area
L847[21:17:38] <wozensli> But they can advertise it as 3mb connections!
L848[21:18:46] <Izaya> and that's why you only get the best speeds at 3AM on a monday morning?
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L850[21:20:57] <S3> haha
L851[21:21:12] <S3> yes so with ADSL you should never share your connection with anyone else
L852[21:21:13] <S3> HOWEVER
L853[21:21:32] <S3> these "special cases" that are all to common you have so little bandwidth that you're always sharing
L854[21:21:50] <S3> most places will have more bandwidth than the max customer bandwidth allot
L855[21:22:14] <S3> which is why ADSL is superior to cable for those who live next to those blasted torrenters next door
L856[21:23:16] <S3> but that's just not always feasible
L857[21:28:01] <Bob> I think i might somehow flash openWrt to my isps router
L858[21:28:10] <Bob> this will require alot of time
L859[21:28:10] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
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L861[21:28:31] <Bob> i dont want to fcuk it up, because already 4 routers have died
L862[21:28:35] <Bob> but not my fault lmao
L863[21:29:28] <Izaya> S3: gonna add some more mods to the server, any you'd like to see?
L864[21:29:35] <Izaya> looking at https://i.imgur.com/rqMINke.png for now
L865[21:30:25] <Bob> Buildcraft ew
L866[21:30:49] * Izaya likes buildcraft
L867[21:30:57] <Bob> after googling, i saw my router source code is avaible
L868[21:31:03] <Bob> :Cosmic:
L869[21:31:25] <Bob> *buildcraft is for pre 1.7 tbh*
L870[21:31:53] <Izaya> why the *s
L871[21:31:59] <S3> hmmmm
L872[21:32:01] <S3> Izaya: I dunno
L873[21:32:11] <S3> there was one I missed
L874[21:32:25] <S3> oh yeah it was morph. Meh
L875[21:32:38] <S3> not important
L876[21:32:46] <S3> I got addicted to being a bat
L877[21:32:56] <Izaya> buildcraft, for better or for worse, supports RF and stuff now, which is basically the standard
L878[21:32:59] <Izaya> man I remember morph
L879[21:33:04] <Izaya> it was excellent
L880[21:33:09] <Izaya> bats are OP though
L881[21:34:01] <Izaya> though the option to go squid was nice
L882[21:34:59] <ben_mkiv> that mod still exists
L883[21:35:39] <Bob> ben_mkiv ^
L884[21:35:51] <Bob> it uses old RF Api
L885[21:36:15] <S3> Izaya: oh yeah squid was great
L886[21:54:41] <Mimiru> Izaya, new buildcraft is back to MJ
L887[21:54:48] <Izaya> neat
L888[21:54:58] <Izaya> but uh, good info
L889[21:55:01] <Izaya> hrm
L890[21:55:06] * Izaya hasn't used it for a while
L891[21:58:08] <S3> a hawile
L892[21:58:38] <S3> MJ
L893[21:58:40] <S3> ?
L894[21:58:55] <Izaya> Minecraft Joules
L895[21:58:58] <S3> Oh
L896[21:59:06] <S3> I thought you meant Jackson
L897[21:59:13] <Izaya> the standard power system for mods between about beta 1.7 and release 1.4.7
L898[22:02:55] <S3> it'd be cool if minecraft had some sort of RF radiation
L899[22:03:07] <S3> so you could wireless send pulses of RF
L900[22:03:25] <S3> by modulating it
L901[22:03:33] <Izaya> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Linux-December-2018
L902[22:03:34] <S3> and running it out some sort of transmitter
L903[22:15:19] <ben_mkiv> theres plenty mods that add wireless rf
L904[22:15:23] <S3> using that you could transmit power for energy use or data or whatever
L905[22:18:00] <S3> yes but I don't care about cheesy solutions
L906[22:18:15] <S3> I'm talking some sort of physics based system
L907[22:19:22] <ben_mkiv> not with that codebase xD
L908[22:21:30] <ben_mkiv> Mimiru, http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=fbb446ae6179b06615f8569b209dffc0
L909[22:21:37] <ben_mkiv> wth is causing these barriertextures to render?
L910[22:21:55] <ben_mkiv> its not within SecurityTerminalRender
L911[22:22:13] <Mimiru> Or is it?
L912[22:22:17] * Mimiru evil laughs
L913[22:23:14] <Mimiru> Hint, it's a particle
L914[22:23:37] <Mimiru> and, no it's not in the renderer
L915[22:24:00] <ben_mkiv> oh nvm
L916[22:24:02] <ben_mkiv> thanks
L917[22:24:38] <ben_mkiv> just wondered if its a bug or a feature that they show for anyone
L918[22:24:51] <Mimiru> "Yes"
L919[22:24:54] <ben_mkiv> as the lines only show for owners
L920[22:52:53] <S3> woah
L921[22:52:59] <S3> that's some creepy shit there
L922[22:53:32] <S3> an army that is hypnotized so that they are starved to death until some of them fall dead and then they eat them to stay alive a bit longer and repeat
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L924[23:23:18] <Izaya> ohey I have a documentation generator
L925[23:23:21] <Izaya> neat
L926[23:23:40] <Izaya> well, documentation extractor, I suppose
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