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L6[06:05:44] <ZefTheFox> I wonder
L7[06:06:00] <ZefTheFox> %8ball ? ?
L8[06:06:00] <MichiBot> ZefTheFox: I don't think that's a question...
L9[06:30:50] <AmandaC> %choose ? or ?
L10[06:30:50] <MichiBot> AmandaC: My grandfather always told me that ? is the way to go!
L11[06:45:53] <Bob> is there a way to read mana from the bank ?
L12[06:46:14] <Bob> i want to do a conjuration ressource dupper especially for soul sand
L13[06:46:24] <Bob> OC has became the most powerfull mod suddenly ?
L14[06:50:35] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1544612669124.jpg
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L16[07:39:46] <Bob> http://tinyurl.com/yaagyglh
L17[07:39:54] <Bob> i regret everything
L18[07:40:04] <Bob> i should have stayed under linux with broken drivers ?
L19[07:40:21] <Bob> http://tinyurl.com/y7azq5af
L20[07:40:42] <Bob> http://tinyurl.com/y7y6aqds
L21[07:40:47] <Bob> im so proud of this
L22[07:40:50] <Bob> spent 3 hours ?
L23[07:41:01] <Bob> i can share the script, its for nuclearcraft whoever wants
L24[07:41:05] <Bob> shitty as heck but works
L25[07:41:06] <Bob> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L27[08:32:05] <Forecaster> %calfacts
L28[08:32:05] <MichiBot> Did you know that leap day might happen twice this year because of an arbitrary decition by Isaac Newton? Apparently it's getting worse and no one knows why.
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L33[10:49:06] <Inari> %inv add girl's girl
L34[10:49:06] * MichiBot summons 'girl's girl' and adds to her inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L35[10:53:46] <Lizzy> hahaha, just got 4 emails from fail2ban telling me that an IP got blocked due to ssh failures on each of the servers i have fail2ban email logging set up on
L36[11:15:16] <Forecaster> ohnoes
L37[11:15:20] <Forecaster> the king must know!
L38[11:18:04] <Inari> %choose PC or Switch
L39[11:18:05] <MichiBot> Inari: Out of these two choices? I'd say Switch.
L40[11:18:12] <Inari> Hmm, yeah, I'm inclined to agree
L41[11:18:49] <Bob> reeeee
L42[11:22:08] <Forecaster> eer
L43[11:30:41] <Forecaster> oh
L44[11:30:46] <Forecaster> I think Elite got new music
L45[11:36:55] <Forecaster> I created a squadron :D
L46[11:38:01] <Inari> gamax92: "Deepcool Gammaxx 400" o.o
L47[11:46:56] <ZefTheFox> Izaya wHy dOnT yoU usE wiNDowS 10
L48[11:52:46] <Kleadron> @ZefTheFox there is a reason people dont use windows 10
L49[11:53:23] <Kleadron> windows 10 is spyware, its bloated, its slow, and nobody likes ads in their start menu
L50[11:54:03] <Michiyo> I think I just rolled my eyes too hard..
L51[11:54:05] <Michiyo> I hurt my head
L52[11:57:06] <Forecaster> what are eyes?
L53[11:57:10] <Forecaster> I think mine escaped
L54[11:57:16] <Wuerfel_21> Win 7 for evar (until Wine becomes good enough™)
L55[11:57:37] <Compu> steam proton
L56[12:03:35] <Kleadron> my personal experiences with linux arent so great
L57[12:07:38] <Compu> linux has improved a lot
L58[12:07:57] <Compu> especially things like driver support
L59[12:08:11] <Compu> it's a lot more likely ur wifi and such will work on linux nowadays
L60[12:35:45] <Michiyo> I remember fighting with Wifi long long ago..
L61[12:36:00] <AmandaC> wifi is getting better in large part because of Android
L62[12:36:12] <AmandaC> Even if you need a firmware blob, at least you have that option now
L63[12:37:35] <AmandaC> graphics is still spotty, because Android has it's own graphics stack seperate from what everything else uses
L64[12:40:38] <Lizzy> %lua math.random(10000, 65535)
L65[12:40:38] <MichiBot> 56660
L66[12:47:00] <stephan48> port number?
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L68[12:59:33] <Bob> Word value
L69[12:59:54] <Bob> ?
L70[13:07:11] <Lizzy> perhaps
L71[13:16:01] <ZefTheFox> What do you think I was responding to?
L72[13:16:29] <ZefTheFox> thE aLtERnaTing capItAlS siGNalS sAtiRe
L73[13:26:06] <AmandaC> Really annoying signal for satire.
L74[13:26:25] <AmandaC> Makes it even harder to read than usual with my lysdexia
L75[13:29:22] <AmandaC> %choose ? or ☢️ or ?
L76[13:29:22] <MichiBot> AmandaC: If I had a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about ?
L77[13:29:48] <Forecaster> Amanda: it's a meme.
L78[13:29:56] <AmandaC> I'm aware
L79[13:30:00] <AmandaC> doesn't make it any easier to read
L80[13:31:40] <Forecaster> what do you mean, a meme can't be *annoying*
L81[13:31:44] <Forecaster> that's impossible
L82[13:32:08] <Lizzy> tHaT's ImPoSIbLE
L83[13:32:12] <Corded> * <Forecaster> looks at attempts to outlaw memes
L84[13:33:47] <AmandaC> Not outlaw memes, just make it so that every company has to have a bot that stops uploads of memes that break someone's IP!
L85[13:34:04] <Lizzy> wah?
L86[13:34:59] <Forecaster> uh, what
L87[13:35:26] <Forecaster> oh, Intellectual Property, that makes more sense than IP-address
L88[13:35:39] <Lizzy> ah
L89[13:36:16] <ZefTheFox> Well how would typing like that be intellectual property?
L90[13:38:16] <Forecaster> here would be a perfect opportunity to do the meme, but I'm far too lazy for that
L91[13:45:03] * Lizzy needs to look into nginx's Lua stuff
L92[13:45:09] <Forecaster> http://tinyurl.com/yd83uw9s
L93[13:45:13] <Forecaster> I bought a note stand
L94[13:45:33] <Forecaster> I'm not keeping notes on it
L95[13:46:18] <Michiyo> Ok... let's see
L96[13:46:20] <Michiyo> %tonk
L97[13:46:21] <MichiBot> Michiyo! You beat simon816's previous record of 23 hours, 59 minutes and 38 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L98[13:46:22] <MichiBot> Michiyo's new record is 1 day, 14 minutes and 24 seconds
L99[13:46:26] <Michiyo> woo.
L100[13:46:30] <Lizzy> dammit Michiyo
L101[13:46:33] <ZefTheFox> >:
L102[13:46:45] <Michiyo> :/ lol
L103[13:46:57] <Lizzy> :P
L104[13:56:23] <ZefTheFox> My sister yelled at me for asking her what she wanted for Christmas
L105[14:14:53] <stephan48> sounds like you should just fetch some bricks and gift wrap them for her.
L106[14:16:08] <stephan48> stone bricks*
L107[14:16:55] <Forecaster> Bricks are too expensive, just get some rocks from outside
L108[14:17:20] <Izaya> hit the rocks together, make fire, then wrap that
L109[14:18:49] <ZefTheFox> guys I don't need to give her the materials to make some armor
L110[14:19:30] <Lizzy> wrapping is too expensive, and so is delivery. just get some dirt from your back yard
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L112[14:43:10] <Kleadron> ʜᴍᴍᴍ
L113[14:49:44] <Inari> Lizzy: Polished dirt?
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L115[15:18:25] <Izaya> >Satisfactory pulled from Steam in favor of the Epic store
L116[15:18:36] <Izaya> Guess I'm not going to buy it then.
L117[15:18:40] <Compu> lol
L118[15:19:28] <Bob> i guess, we'll have to stick with Factorio
L119[15:19:31] <Bob> /shrug
L120[15:19:35] <ZefTheFox> Isn't the epic store awful?
L121[15:19:42] <ZefTheFox> Factorio is amazing btw
L122[15:19:51] <Bob> Best game yeet
L123[15:19:51] <Compu> https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/animal-jam-clans-1/images/4/4f/Guess_i%27ll_die.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180422005009
L124[15:20:03] <Bob> Wasted 3K hours on factorio
L125[15:20:08] <Bob> what my life is
L126[15:20:17] <Bob> ?
L127[15:20:24] <Izaya> Doesn't matter to me, despite the engine supporting it, no Epic stuff for Linux since UT2005 or so
L128[15:20:30] <Izaya> Ergo, no $$$
L129[15:21:08] <Bob> Well Valve is interesting in linux so it provides support but i dont know anything about epic games
L130[15:21:13] <Bob> and their vision about linux
L131[15:21:19] <Bob> i regret installing Windows 10
L132[15:21:24] <Compu> epic games does not at all support linux
L133[15:21:30] <Bob> but it grands DX12 for my oldie GTX 650
L134[15:21:31] <Compu> i'm not even sure if they support mac
L135[15:21:36] <Bob> Bruh
L136[15:21:53] <Izaya> But you had Vulkan already?
L137[15:22:45] <Bob> Idk anything, i just know that some games can do stable 60 with DX12 if they support it and camt achieve 60 fps if DX11 or other engine
L138[15:22:47] <Izaya> I figure at least a portion of the cut that goes to Steam from buying games on there goes to funding Proton development, which helps DXVK and WINE. Plus it's a lot easier than piracy on loonix
L139[15:22:57] <Izaya> Which games?
L140[15:23:13] <Izaya> I only know of like 6 using DX12 at all and they're all first-party MS titles
L141[15:23:39] <Bob> Serious Sam Fusion, then i dont play much, idk about CS:GO, but the latest update is trash got from 90-70 to 50-20 never 60
L142[15:23:45] <Bob> Panorama was awfull too
L143[15:23:49] <Bob> game wouldnt launch
L144[15:23:55] <Bob> i guess ill stick with minecrafr
L145[15:24:11] <Bob> and spent hours making OC stuff
L146[15:24:38] <Bob> Vacation soon so i will have alot of opportunities to beg this discord with my lua questions
L147[15:24:38] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L148[15:25:00] <Bob> Autocorrect makes mistakes wow
L149[15:25:08] <Bob> i should switch to hacker"s keyboard
L150[15:25:11] <Izaya> Obligatory disappointment at your use of Discord
L151[15:25:27] <Bob> ? well technically...
L152[15:25:49] <Bob> I mean i get answers so..
L153[15:26:01] <Bob> i just dont have the time to read trough the entire lua guide
L154[15:26:06] <Bob> to find out my answer
L155[15:26:20] <Bob> i will see if there is a lua book in any shop
L156[15:26:27] <Bob> i doubt there's something
L157[15:26:38] <Izaya> Not exactly what I meant but anyway
L158[15:26:44] <Izaya> Too early in the morning
L159[15:26:58] <Compu> theres a few games that use DRM to block the use of steam proton
L160[15:27:28] <Izaya> Namely Ubisoft games
L161[15:27:36] <Izaya> and EA, I think
L162[15:27:47] <Bob> *EA*
L163[15:27:52] <Izaya> Given their mediocre launchers don't work under Proton
L164[15:28:08] <Izaya> But eh, nothing of value was lost
L165[15:29:05] <Compu> warframe does this
L166[15:29:08] <Compu> last i checked
L167[15:29:33] <Compu> like they go so far as to ban ur account from ever playing the game again if u even try to run it under steam proton
L168[15:29:46] <Izaya> I heard it worked fine last I checked
L169[15:30:12] <Izaya> That said, I haven't actually tried because I have other time sinks
L170[15:30:13] <Compu> maybe they got enough backlash and changed it?
L171[15:31:46] <Compu> https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamPlay/comments/99uws4/many_games_are_failing_to_run_because_of_easy/
L172[15:32:28] <Compu> https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamPlay/comments/99uws4/many_games_are_failing_to_run_because_of_easy/e4qpub9/
L173[15:32:54] <Izaya> Oh EAC
L174[15:33:02] <Izaya> hrm yeah that'd be a problem
L175[15:33:29] <Compu> apparently EAC relies on kernel level access to the RAM
L176[15:33:49] <Izaya> That's why it's not practical to run the Windows build of ARK despite it raping the RAM less: no official multiplayer
L177[15:34:00] <Compu> which is pretty insecure and has the potential to be used to spy on the user
L178[15:34:48] <Izaya> lots of anticheat software is more or less a rootkit
L179[15:34:53] <Compu> not only could the company that makes EAC use it to spy on users but any malicious entities who happen to find backdoors into EAC could do the same
L180[15:35:20] <Izaya> true enough
L181[15:35:32] <Compu> oh yeah remember when sony put a rootkit virus in all it's music CDs to keep them from being ripped?
L182[15:35:41] <Compu> like putting the CD in ur computer would fuck up ur system
L183[15:35:48] <Izaya> not really, but I've seen a video about it
L184[15:36:01] <Bob> Oh yea
L185[15:36:05] <AmandaC> They got sued to hell for that
L186[15:36:10] * Izaya never really did the CD thing, went straight from tapes to digital
L187[15:36:11] <Bob> ^^
L188[15:36:18] <Compu> lol so why isn't EAC and such getting sued
L189[15:36:41] <Izaya> because it doesn't break your system, one presumes
L190[15:37:02] <Compu> well it doesn't break in a way the average user can easily detect
L191[15:37:07] <Izaya> fwiw, EAC for Linux was (is?) a thing
L192[15:37:10] <Compu> but it almost definitely does break it
L193[15:37:22] <AmandaC> It's not the fact it was a rootkit that got them, it's the fact it was a shitty rootkit
L194[15:37:27] <Izaya> ^
L195[15:37:41] <AmandaC> It literally made windows not work
L196[15:37:44] <Compu> still
L197[15:37:49] <Compu> should be a crime
L198[15:37:57] <Inari> s/roo/loo/
L199[15:37:59] <MichiBot> <AmandaC> It's not the fact it was a lootkit that got them, it's the fact it was a shitty rootkit
L200[15:37:59] <AmandaC> Should be, never will
L201[15:38:03] <Izaya> you gonna sue Microsoft too?
L202[15:38:11] <Izaya> they're guilty of much worse :^)
L203[15:38:13] <Compu> i have no money
L204[15:38:19] <Compu> oh yeah i know
L205[15:38:24] <AmandaC> The CIA/NSA/other TLAs wouldn't be able to function
L206[15:38:34] <Compu> but this specific conversation isn't about microsoft's atrocities
L207[15:38:56] <Izaya> if you want a more literal response
L208[15:39:13] <Izaya> they're not getting sued and it's not illegal because it's not bad enough for people to care enough
L209[15:39:18] <AmandaC> The easiest way to break a system has always, and always will be, to leave a floppy/CD/pen drive in the parking lot and wake
L210[15:39:31] <AmandaC> Wait*
L211[15:40:21] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1544648225724.jpg
L212[15:40:22] <Compu> lol
L213[15:40:30] <Compu> never plug random shit into a machine u care about
L214[15:40:54] <Compu> always use a junk linux machine not connected to the internet for that
L215[15:41:33] <AmandaC> or a machine on the same LAN as the one you care about
L216[15:41:35] <Compu> u wouldn't plug random syringe needles into ur body, so why plug random stuff into ur main machine?
L217[15:41:55] <AmandaC> but human curiosity is stronger than common sense in most places.
L218[15:42:02] <AmandaC> A large part of security is protecting people from themselves
L219[15:42:25] <AmandaC> "Hey, <IT Guy> Why can't I go to <random keyboard-smash url>? It has funny cat videos!"
L220[15:43:01] <AmandaC> never mind the videos are payloas.
L221[15:43:12] <Izaya> security would be much easier without users
L222[15:43:14] <Compu> lol
L223[15:43:30] <FLORANA> RIP the wiki
L224[15:43:31] <FLORANA> `Your connection is not private`
L225[15:43:55] <Izaya> >The certificate is only valid for cil.li.
L226[15:44:10] <Izaya> I guess I should email sangar given they're not here
L227[15:44:14] <Compu> u can tell someone their dumb browser game is a virus, demonstrate it, show them what it can and will do, and they'll still likely go and continue to use that site and play that game
L228[15:44:48] <AmandaC> Izaya: > goes to cil.li https://nc.ddna.co/s/SKBWBDKgFAztcyy
L229[15:44:50] <FLORANA> `cil.li` just says `Go away.`
L230[15:44:53] <FLORANA> lol
L231[15:45:04] <Izaya> Eyup.
L232[15:45:18] * Izaya pokes Lizzy
L233[15:45:28] <FLORANA> but `ocdoc.cil.li` isn't secure tho
L234[15:45:30] <Izaya> I presume you have something faster than snail mail to talk to Sangar
L235[15:45:36] * Lizzy wiggles
L236[15:45:56] <Lizzy> what's up?
L237[15:46:12] <AmandaC> Lizzy: ocdoc is forcing https, when there's no valid cert for it
L238[15:46:22] <AmandaC> ( I wasn't sure if you were in charge of that as well as th eforums )
L239[15:46:33] <Compu> @FLORANA ur not logging in or sending any secure info to it so does it really need to be secure?
L240[15:46:35] <AmandaC> (( Which is why I didn't ping you ))
L241[15:46:47] <Lizzy> ah, sadly only just the forums, i'll ping sangar on discord though
L242[15:46:47] <FLORANA> what?
L243[15:47:08] <AmandaC> @Compu it's a full wiki, with log in and editing and everything.
L244[15:47:11] <FLORANA> you don't need enything to go onto document
L245[15:47:21] <Compu> ah
L246[15:47:23] <Compu> ok then
L247[15:48:23] <Lizzy> have poked the sangar
L248[15:48:54] <Forecaster> godammit
L249[15:49:06] <Forecaster> why can't I log in to sftp as root
L250[15:49:07] <Forecaster> :|
L251[15:49:17] <Compu> maybe cuz root login is disabled
L252[15:49:29] <Forecaster> I keep trying to set the root password but it keeps saying no
L253[15:49:32] <Forecaster> that might be it...
L254[15:49:48] <Compu> if it's an ubuntu based system root login is usually completely disabled by default
L255[15:50:08] <Compu> ur meant to use sudo and su instead
L256[15:50:27] <Compu> ie login as a sudoer and do `sudo su` to login as root
L257[15:51:06] <Forecaster> can't do that via sftp
L258[15:51:54] <Compu> *shrug*
L259[15:52:27] <Forecaster> dammit vim, why do you have dark blue against black as the color for comments
L260[15:52:29] <Forecaster> :|
L261[15:53:21] <Izaya> Compu: >sudo su
L262[15:53:21] <Compu> u could trying chowning things instead depending on what ur trying to down
L263[15:53:24] <Compu> u could trying chowning things instead depending on what ur trying to do [Edited]
L264[15:53:28] <Izaya> Use sudo -s you animal
L265[15:53:33] <Compu> that too
L266[15:53:40] <Compu> i don't login as root much
L267[15:53:53] <Compu> i just sudo `command`
L268[15:54:11] <Forecaster> or sudo -i
L269[15:54:53] <Compu> if u do `sudo -s` and then try changing the root password maybe it will work?
L270[15:55:12] <Forecaster> root login was disabled, I've re-enabled it
L271[15:55:21] <Compu> there ya go
L272[15:55:31] <Technophilus> yeah gg
L273[15:55:33] <Compu> glad to be of held
L274[15:55:35] <Technophilus> I was coming to tell about the wiki
L275[15:55:35] <Compu> glad to be of help [Edited]
L276[15:55:39] <Technophilus> but someone else already did
L277[15:55:44] <Compu> lol
L278[15:55:59] <Technophilus> whoever does the certbot forgot to add oc.cil.li and ocdoc.cil.li as domains
L279[15:57:15] <Lizzy> oc.cil.li is hosted by me, so it wouldn't be in the base cil.li cert, i've poked sangar as he hosts the wiki
L280[15:57:36] <Lizzy> also my most used sudo command is sudo !!
L281[15:58:24] <Technophilus> the certificate on ocdoc.cil.li says it is only valid for cil.li. So you must have the ability to get certs for cil.li
L282[15:59:04] <Lizzy> Sangar hosts the cil.li and ocdoc.cil.li domains, which is where the issue is. oc.cil.li is fine
L283[15:59:14] <Technophilus> oh ok
L284[15:59:58] <Izaya> well this is fun
L285[16:00:07] <Technophilus> why are you both bots
L286[16:00:08] <Izaya> E:D is on a 75% sale and the servers aren't handling the load
L287[16:00:14] <Technophilus> did you make opencomputers discord clients
L288[16:00:14] <Lizzy> lol
L289[16:00:16] <Izaya> you are the bot, sorry
L290[16:00:46] <Lizzy> we have an IRC <-> Discord relay bridge called Corded
L291[16:00:57] <Technophilus> oh but why
L292[16:01:00] <Technophilus> why not just use discord
L293[16:01:09] <Izaya> don't get me started
L294[16:01:18] <Lizzy> we started on irc, we're not going to abandon it
L295[16:01:42] <Technophilus> so sentiment, rather than reason, dictates the reaon to stay on irc
L296[16:01:44] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/eevnlc.png
L297[16:01:46] <Technophilus> so sentiment, rather than reason, dictates the reason to stay on irc [Edited]
L298[16:01:56] <Izaya> >doesn't require running a web browser to use
L299[16:02:01] <Izaya> nah, there are definitely reasons
L300[16:06:56] <Technophilus> a discord client for opencomputers would be interesting
L301[16:07:26] <Izaya> and unneccesary when Discord will be gone in a few years and we already have an IRC client :^)
L302[16:08:27] <Technophilus> as if. Skype still exists (largely irrelevant now but for business) but it lasted a long time. Besides, you miss out on things like embeds, voice chat, the store, etc
L303[16:08:52] <Izaya> I mean, given the history, it's a forgeone conclusion.
L304[16:08:56] <Technophilus> Discord will never die in the sense that IRC will never die (they will both become unpopular, IRC already has)
L305[16:09:13] <Lizzy> embeds are maybe the only decent thing on that list
L306[16:09:29] <Izaya> It'll get sold off in a few years, the owner will get sued again, make a few million $$$, and move onto the next thing
L307[16:10:01] <Technophilus> Discord is giving out free games till 2020. Can't really compete with free
L308[16:11:28] <Technophilus> Yeah, ill admit discord is too heavy (electron, etc) but afaik no one has really written a better client
L309[16:11:47] <Lizzy> that's because if you do use a better client, they'll ban you
L310[16:11:55] <20kdc> Discord is really shiny but also technically rough and too centralized for my liking. I'm using it, yes, but one doesn't really have a choice...
L311[16:12:09] <20kdc> ...at least if they don't like putting themselves on an island, anyway.
L312[16:12:24] <20kdc> As it is, I stick to the webapp. It is a webapp at heart anyway, so might as well treat it as one.
L313[16:12:45] <Technophilus> I use the program because many libraries are native for better optimization
L314[16:13:06] <Izaya> gotta love em having more access to your machine, eh?
L315[16:13:07] <Lizzy> eh, it's no more native than running it in chrome
L316[16:13:26] <20kdc> On mobile it might be more native, but on desktop it's basically just the webapp with added shinies
L317[16:13:38] <Technophilus> Thats not really true
L318[16:14:14] <Technophilus> If youve ever tried to set up a discord bot in js, discord.js (my library of choice) tries to install native libraries to enhance speed. I would assume the desktop app does the same
L319[16:14:42] <ZefTheFox> http://tinyurl.com/y8x7r5vd
L320[16:14:53] <Lizzy> that's native librarys for the web-access stuff, not discord itself
L321[16:14:57] <20kdc> "to enhance speed"? Pretty sure the libraries are things like audio/video decoders
L322[16:15:00] <Technophilus> Yes
L323[16:15:08] <Technophilus> Things that would be much slower without them
L324[16:15:09] <20kdc> where it's less about speed and more about not wanting to write asm.js wrappers
L325[16:15:10] <Technophilus> like in js
L326[16:15:21] <Technophilus> Also, things like uws for websockets
L327[16:15:39] <Lizzy> except those can all be used for stuff other than discord
L328[16:16:01] <Technophilus> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/cetafanifi
L329[16:16:02] <20kdc> A websocket library is irrelevant in the presence of electron, as there is a fast native websocket library already
L330[16:16:05] <Technophilus> from package.json
L331[16:16:40] <Technophilus> also, node-opus for voice (most of these are voice and stuff, but bufferutil and erlpack are not)
L332[16:16:49] <Technophilus> Also, erlpack is made by discord probably for discord desktop
L333[16:17:10] * Izaya squints
L334[16:17:22] <Izaya> Man, Mumble uses more memory than expected: 70MB
L335[16:17:23] <20kdc> Regarding node-opus & the like, see previous note: why bother trying to get it on asm.js and then writing a messy wrapper on that when you can just make a quick native wrapper
L336[16:17:46] <Technophilus> well yeah
L337[16:17:52] <Technophilus> but
L338[16:17:58] <Technophilus> these are things that are not present on web
L339[16:18:02] <20kdc> Um.
L340[16:18:09] <20kdc> Opus decoding and encoding is very much present on the web.
L341[16:18:18] <Technophilus> but erlpack and stuff
L342[16:18:21] <20kdc> Well, not totally sure about encoding, but asm.js solves that.
L343[16:18:44] <20kdc> (That said, wouldn't Opus encoding be what WebRTC was for? Hm.)
L344[16:19:14] <20kdc> AAanyway, erlpack seems rather odd in the context of Discord anything
L345[16:19:26] <20kdc> given... well, stuff about Erlang in a JSON-fancy-modern API
L346[16:19:29] <20kdc> seems off
L347[16:21:06] <20kdc> Point is, though: discord.js's dependency list is a worst-case-scenario that doesn't consider the additional access brought in by Electron and thus actual Web APIs (for better or ill, see: Electron application size)
L348[16:21:35] <20kdc> It's meant for people using Node, which does *not* equal web APIs.
L349[16:24:51] <Technophilus> alrighty then
L350[16:28:44] <ZefTheFox> Don't you love how long it takes for windows to check for avalible shrink space on a tb drive
L351[16:36:13] <Izaya> so like
L352[16:36:19] <Izaya> there are dual-GPU cards
L353[16:36:26] <Izaya> which you can then SLI for 4-way SLI
L354[16:36:36] <Izaya> so I have to wonder: are there dual-dual-GPU cards?
L355[16:36:38] <Technophilus> just like I could with my old 550 ti
L356[16:36:39] <Izaya> :D
L357[16:36:43] <Technophilus> 4 way sli
L358[16:36:58] <Izaya> I had 2 GTX 690s for a while, total housefire
L359[16:37:07] <Technophilus> im waiting on Navi 3080
L360[16:37:56] <Izaya> tfw want an AMD card but keep being given high-end NVIDIA cards
L361[16:38:03] <Technophilus> same
L362[16:38:11] <Technophilus> AMD needs to get their head out of their ass with RTG
L363[16:38:14] <Izaya> I guess I can't complain, but I don't really want to use the proprietary drivers :<
L364[16:38:17] <Technophilus> ryzen is good, ryzen 3000 looks great
L365[16:38:26] <Technophilus> but RTG needs to step it up
L366[16:38:36] <ZefTheFox> Am I the only person satisfied with AMD's old stuff?
L367[16:38:42] <Technophilus> Polaris?
L368[16:38:44] <Izaya> define old
L369[16:38:51] <Technophilus> or Bulldozer?
L370[16:38:56] <Technophilus> How old
L371[16:38:59] <ZefTheFox> let me check
L372[16:39:07] <Technophilus> CPU or GPU
L373[16:39:11] <ZefTheFox> Both
L374[16:39:13] <Technophilus> AMD used to make great GPUs
L375[16:39:19] <ZefTheFox> Vishera cpu
L376[16:39:23] <Technophilus> but then Nvidia released Maxwell
L377[16:39:30] <ZefTheFox> and an rx 460
L378[16:39:42] <Technophilus> oh so polaris and piledriver
L379[16:39:43] <Kodos> %tonk
L380[16:39:44] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Kodos, you were not able to beat Michiyo's record of 1 day, 14 minutes and 24 seconds this time.
L381[16:39:45] <MichiBot> 2 hours, 53 minutes and 23 seconds were wasted!
L382[16:39:48] <ZefTheFox> specifically an fx-8320 black edition cpu
L383[16:39:50] <Kodos> Welp
L384[16:39:59] <Izaya> I kinda want an RX 580, just because of the VRAM
L385[16:40:04] <Technophilus> Bulldozer isnt so bad
L386[16:40:13] <Technophilus> but it is really hot and inefficient
L387[16:40:48] <ZefTheFox> The cpu is great for everything I need it for
L388[16:40:50] <Technophilus> Bulldozer kinda got a bad rap. Ryzen was a great change, but Intel looks like they will be doing 3d transistors in the near future
L389[16:41:00] <ZefTheFox> and the gpu is incredible for it's size and powerusage
L390[16:41:01] <Technophilus> Id like to see how they will go
L391[16:41:07] <Technophilus> I have a rx 480
L392[16:41:10] <Technophilus> (polaris)
L393[16:41:21] <MGR> Polaris isn't bad, but I was never a fan of bulldozer
L394[16:41:34] <Izaya> Bulldozer is good for parallel workloads, but the applications of that are ... limited
L395[16:41:36] <Technophilus> Vega was too expensive for its performance level ($600 for a Vega 64 non reference?)
L396[16:41:51] <Technophilus> Bulldozer is pretty good for modern applications that can use multiple threads
L397[16:42:15] <Technophilus> Bulldozer was kinda ahead of its time. Bulldozer arch + modern IPC and clocks = a decent entry level CPU
L398[16:42:26] <Technophilus> probably comparable to the Ryzen 5 2400g but more expensive
L399[16:43:27] <Izaya> Bulldozer makes me think ARM but worse: not overly fast single-thread, lots of cores, but because it's x86, super inefficient
L400[16:44:09] <Technophilus> AMD got it right with Zen, it looks like theyll do well with Zen 2 and chiplets (economies of scale allowing for cheaper parts)
L401[16:45:35] <Technophilus> but id like to see what intel does with 3d transistors (it might be just hype)
L402[16:48:31] <Technophilus> Bulldozer is better than it was because nowadays more programs are multithreaded
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L408[17:33:48] <ZefTheFox> https://store.steampowered.com/app/777890/Primitive/
L409[17:33:50] <ZefTheFox> oh no
L410[17:34:34] <Izaya> interesting
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L418[20:11:33] <Technophilus> Can we just switch these messages to changing the users online indicators?
L419[20:15:39] <ZefTheFox> That's not how it works
L420[20:15:43] <ZefTheFox> That's an irc relay
L421[20:15:49] <ZefTheFox> They're not actually on discord
L422[20:18:00] <Technophilus> I know
L423[20:18:17] <Technophilus> But when it says they come online, just replace it with a switch of a status indicator
L424[20:18:21] <Technophilus> And same when they go offline
L425[20:20:38] <MGR> There is no status indicator to switch
L426[20:25:51] <Communist Bill Gates> How can I assign Minecraft 1.5GB of ram
L427[20:27:42] <ZefTheFox> What are you using to launch it?
L428[20:27:53] <Communist Bill Gates> The old launcher
L429[20:28:03] <ZefTheFox> Don't remember
L430[20:28:17] <Communist Bill Gates> I can check JVM arguments anyway
L431[20:38:20] <Technophilus> The status indicator is the green circle that can turn grey or yellow or red
L432[20:38:46] <ZefTheFox> Go ahead.
L433[20:39:00] <ZefTheFox> Find the status indicator for anyone on irc.
L434[20:39:23] <Technophilus> No, I mean on discord. Instead of having corded announce when the bot user it controls comes online
L435[20:39:41] <ZefTheFox> There is *only* 1 bot
L436[20:39:42] <Technophilus> Just change it's indicator from grey to green
L437[20:39:46] <ZefTheFox> It's actually a webhook
L438[20:39:57] <Technophilus> Oh, ok. I didn't know that
L439[20:40:09] <ZefTheFox> It changes it's name depending on whoever sends the message
L440[20:40:13] <Technophilus> That makes it easier to understand
L441[20:40:48] <ZefTheFox> And I'm pretty sure bots don't have control over their status indicator, if the bots offline it's not gonna do anything
L442[20:41:05] <MGR> I think a bot can change its status indicator
L443[20:41:08] <Technophilus> It does. If a bot is offline it can't but an online bot can control it's indicator
L444[20:41:12] <Technophilus> Just like a user can
L445[20:41:14] <MGR> I've done some Discord bot development
L446[20:41:29] <Technophilus> In fact in exactly the same way a user can
L447[20:41:46] <ZefTheFox> Well all I've touched is the webhook
L448[20:42:00] <Technophilus> The webhook cannot control indicators
L449[20:42:07] <ZefTheFox> Which is what the irc bot uses, it's not a user in the discord
L450[20:42:19] <Technophilus> I thought it was
L451[20:45:58] <Communist Bill Gates> I figured it out
L452[20:57:54] <AmandaC> ... def need to fine some more wholesome stories to read
L453[20:58:39] <AmandaC> Why are so many female lead stories so gorram smutty D:
L454[21:06:22] <AmandaC> %tell Inari 21:58:39 <AmandaC> Why are so many female lead stories so gorram smutty D:
L455[21:06:22] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L456[21:07:27] <AmandaC> %choose be smart or be dumb
L457[21:07:28] <MichiBot> AmandaC: If I had a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about be smart
L458[21:08:36] <ZefTheFox> %choose recursive or recursive
L459[21:08:36] <MichiBot> ZefTheFox: Why not both?
L460[21:08:50] <ZefTheFox> That is honestly the best response
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L468[22:25:38] <TheFox> Over an hour late to the reply. But I do agree.
L469[22:25:38] <TheFox> Given the options. I think Michibot chose the best response possible.
L470[22:29:41] <ZefTheFox> How long have you been in this discord?
L471[22:32:34] <ZefTheFox> I swear I haven't seen you before
L472[22:34:04] <Mimiru> @ZefTheFox well, they've been on IRC since 2016 or so, I'd have to dig more to find the switch to Discord
L473[22:34:47] <Mimiru> 12/31/2017 looks like.
L474[22:34:54] <ZefTheFox> Wow
L475[22:35:04] <ZefTheFox> They must be active when I'm not on
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L478[22:46:30] <Izaya> obligatory "There are 31 months?"
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L480[23:32:21] <Mimiru> 39 actually.
L481[23:33:43] <Izaya> whoa
L482[23:38:26] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L483[23:38:27] <MichiBot> I'm sorry CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Michiyo's record of 1 day, 14 minutes and 24 seconds this time.
L484[23:38:28] <MichiBot> 6 hours, 58 minutes and 42 seconds were wasted!
L485[23:38:37] <Mimiru> welp.
L486[23:40:36] <Kodos> lul
L487[23:42:06] * CompanionCube is happy with his piledriver 8350 + RX480
L488[23:43:00] <CompanionCube> more IPC would be sweet, but I don't feel an upgrade is needed.
L489[23:45:43] <CompanionCube> (my current system dating from juuust before ryzen was released has nothing to do with it. Honest.)
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