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<ZefTheFox>
I wonder
L7[06:06:00]
<ZefTheFox>
%8ball ? ?
L8[06:06:00] <MichiBot> ZefTheFox: I don't
think that's a question...
L9[06:30:50] <AmandaC> %choose ? or ?
L10[06:30:50] <MichiBot> AmandaC: My
grandfather always told me that ? is the way to go!
L11[06:45:53]
<Bob> is
there a way to read mana from the bank ?
L12[06:46:14]
<Bob> i want
to do a conjuration ressource dupper especially for soul sand
L13[06:46:24]
<Bob> OC has
became the most powerfull mod suddenly ?
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L17[07:39:54]
<Bob> i
regret everything
L18[07:40:04]
<Bob> i
should have stayed under linux with broken drivers ?
L21[07:40:47]
<Bob> im so
proud of this
L22[07:40:50]
<Bob> spent
3 hours ?
L23[07:41:01]
<Bob> i can
share the script, its for nuclearcraft whoever wants
L24[07:41:05]
<Bob> shitty
as heck but works
L25[07:41:06]
<Bob>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L27[08:32:05]
<Forecaster>
%calfacts
L28[08:32:05] <MichiBot> Did you know that
leap day might happen twice this year because of an arbitrary
decition by Isaac Newton? Apparently it's getting worse and no one
knows why.
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L33[10:49:06] <Inari> %inv add girl's
girl
L34[10:49:06] *
MichiBot summons 'girl's girl' and adds to her inventory. This
seems very sturdy.
L35[10:53:46] <Lizzy> hahaha, just got 4
emails from fail2ban telling me that an IP got blocked due to ssh
failures on each of the servers i have fail2ban email logging set
up on
L36[11:15:16]
<Forecaster>
ohnoes
L37[11:15:20]
<Forecaster>
the king must know!
L38[11:18:04] <Inari> %choose PC or
Switch
L39[11:18:05] <MichiBot> Inari: Out of
these two choices? I'd say Switch.
L40[11:18:12] <Inari> Hmm, yeah, I'm
inclined to agree
L41[11:18:49]
<Bob>
reeeee
L42[11:22:08]
<Forecaster>
eer
L43[11:30:41]
<Forecaster>
oh
L44[11:30:46]
<Forecaster>
I think Elite got new music
L45[11:36:55]
<Forecaster>
I created a squadron :D
L46[11:38:01] <Inari> gamax92:
"Deepcool Gammaxx 400" o.o
L47[11:46:56]
<ZefTheFox>
Izaya wHy dOnT yoU usE wiNDowS 10
L48[11:52:46]
<Kleadron>
@ZefTheFox there is a reason people dont use windows 10
L49[11:53:23]
<Kleadron>
windows 10 is spyware, its bloated, its slow, and nobody likes ads
in their start menu
L50[11:54:03] <Michiyo> I think I just
rolled my eyes too hard..
L51[11:54:05] <Michiyo> I hurt my
head
L52[11:57:06]
<Forecaster>
what are eyes?
L53[11:57:10]
<Forecaster>
I think mine escaped
L54[11:57:16]
<Wuerfel_21>
Win 7 for evar (until Wine becomes good enough™)
L55[11:57:37]
<Compu>
steam proton
L56[12:03:35]
<Kleadron>
my personal experiences with linux arent so great
L57[12:07:38]
<Compu>
linux has improved a lot
L58[12:07:57]
<Compu>
especially things like driver support
L59[12:08:11]
<Compu> it's
a lot more likely ur wifi and such will work on linux
nowadays
L60[12:35:45] <Michiyo> I remember fighting
with Wifi long long ago..
L61[12:36:00] <AmandaC> wifi is getting
better in large part because of Android
L62[12:36:12] <AmandaC> Even if you need a
firmware blob, at least you have that option now
L63[12:37:35] <AmandaC> graphics is still
spotty, because Android has it's own graphics stack seperate from
what everything else uses
L64[12:40:38] <Lizzy> %lua
math.random(10000, 65535)
L65[12:40:38] <MichiBot> 56660
L66[12:47:00] <stephan48> port
number?
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L68[12:59:33]
<Bob> Word
value
L69[12:59:54]
<Bob>
?
L70[13:07:11] <Lizzy> perhaps
L71[13:16:01]
<ZefTheFox>
What do you think I was responding to?
L72[13:16:29]
<ZefTheFox>
thE aLtERnaTing capItAlS siGNalS sAtiRe
L73[13:26:06] <AmandaC> Really annoying
signal for satire.
L74[13:26:25] <AmandaC> Makes it even
harder to read than usual with my lysdexia
L75[13:29:22] <AmandaC> %choose ? or ☢️ or
?
L76[13:29:22] <MichiBot> AmandaC: If I had
a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about ?
L77[13:29:48]
<Forecaster>
Amanda: it's a meme.
L78[13:29:56] <AmandaC> I'm aware
L79[13:30:00] <AmandaC> doesn't make it any
easier to read
L80[13:31:40]
<Forecaster>
what do you mean, a meme can't be *annoying*
L81[13:31:44]
<Forecaster>
that's impossible
L82[13:32:08] <Lizzy> tHaT's
ImPoSIbLE
L83[13:32:12] <Corded> * <Forecaster>
looks at attempts to outlaw memes
L84[13:33:47] <AmandaC> Not outlaw memes,
just make it so that every company has to have a bot that stops
uploads of memes that break someone's IP!
L85[13:34:04] <Lizzy> wah?
L86[13:34:59]
<Forecaster>
uh, what
L87[13:35:26]
<Forecaster>
oh, Intellectual Property, that makes more sense than
IP-address
L89[13:36:16]
<ZefTheFox>
Well how would typing like that be intellectual property?
L90[13:38:16]
<Forecaster>
here would be a perfect opportunity to do the meme, but I'm far too
lazy for that
L91[13:45:03] *
Lizzy needs to look into nginx's Lua stuff
L93[13:45:13]
<Forecaster>
I bought a note stand
L94[13:45:33]
<Forecaster>
I'm not keeping notes on it
L95[13:46:18] <Michiyo> Ok... let's
see
L96[13:46:20] <Michiyo> %tonk
L97[13:46:21] <MichiBot> Michiyo! You beat
simon816's previous record of 23 hours, 59 minutes and 38 seconds!
I hope you're happy!
L98[13:46:22] <MichiBot> Michiyo's new
record is 1 day, 14 minutes and 24 seconds
L99[13:46:26] <Michiyo> woo.
L100[13:46:30] <Lizzy> dammit
Michiyo
L101[13:46:33]
<ZefTheFox>
>:
L102[13:46:45] <Michiyo> :/ lol
L103[13:46:57] <Lizzy> :P
L104[13:56:23]
<ZefTheFox>
My sister yelled at me for asking her what she wanted for
Christmas
L105[14:14:53] <stephan48> sounds like you
should just fetch some bricks and gift wrap them for her.
L106[14:16:08] <stephan48> stone
bricks*
L107[14:16:55]
<Forecaster>
Bricks are too expensive, just get some rocks from outside
L108[14:17:20] <Izaya> hit the rocks
together, make fire, then wrap that
L109[14:18:49]
<ZefTheFox>
guys I don't need to give her the materials to make some
armor
L110[14:19:30] <Lizzy> wrapping is too
expensive, and so is delivery. just get some dirt from your back
yard
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L112[14:43:10]
<Kleadron>
ʜᴍᴍᴍ
L113[14:49:44] <Inari> Lizzy: Polished
dirt?
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L115[15:18:25] <Izaya> >Satisfactory
pulled from Steam in favor of the Epic store
L116[15:18:36] <Izaya> Guess I'm not going
to buy it then.
L117[15:18:40]
<Compu>
lol
L118[15:19:28]
<Bob> i
guess, we'll have to stick with Factorio
L119[15:19:31]
<Bob>
/shrug
L120[15:19:35]
<ZefTheFox>
Isn't the epic store awful?
L121[15:19:42]
<ZefTheFox>
Factorio is amazing btw
L122[15:19:51]
<Bob> Best
game yeet
L124[15:20:03]
<Bob> Wasted
3K hours on factorio
L125[15:20:08]
<Bob> what
my life is
L126[15:20:17]
<Bob>
?
L127[15:20:24] <Izaya> Doesn't matter to
me, despite the engine supporting it, no Epic stuff for Linux since
UT2005 or so
L128[15:20:30] <Izaya> Ergo, no $$$
L129[15:21:08]
<Bob> Well
Valve is interesting in linux so it provides support but i dont
know anything about epic games
L130[15:21:13]
<Bob> and
their vision about linux
L131[15:21:19]
<Bob> i
regret installing Windows 10
L132[15:21:24]
<Compu> epic
games does not at all support linux
L133[15:21:30]
<Bob> but it
grands DX12 for my oldie GTX 650
L134[15:21:31]
<Compu> i'm
not even sure if they support mac
L135[15:21:36]
<Bob>
Bruh
L136[15:21:53] <Izaya> But you had Vulkan
already?
L137[15:22:45]
<Bob> Idk
anything, i just know that some games can do stable 60 with DX12 if
they support it and camt achieve 60 fps if DX11 or other
engine
L138[15:22:47] <Izaya> I figure at least a
portion of the cut that goes to Steam from buying games on there
goes to funding Proton development, which helps DXVK and WINE. Plus
it's a lot easier than piracy on loonix
L139[15:22:57] <Izaya> Which games?
L140[15:23:13] <Izaya> I only know of like
6 using DX12 at all and they're all first-party MS titles
L141[15:23:39]
<Bob>
Serious Sam Fusion, then i dont play much, idk about CS:GO, but the
latest update is trash got from 90-70 to 50-20 never 60
L142[15:23:45]
<Bob>
Panorama was awfull too
L143[15:23:49]
<Bob> game
wouldnt launch
L144[15:23:55]
<Bob> i
guess ill stick with minecrafr
L145[15:24:11]
<Bob> and
spent hours making OC stuff
L146[15:24:38]
<Bob>
Vacation soon so i will have alot of opportunities to beg this
discord with my lua questions
L148[15:25:00]
<Bob>
Autocorrect makes mistakes wow
L149[15:25:08]
<Bob> i
should switch to hacker"s keyboard
L150[15:25:11] <Izaya> Obligatory
disappointment at your use of Discord
L151[15:25:27]
<Bob> ? well
technically...
L152[15:25:49]
<Bob> I mean
i get answers so..
L153[15:26:01]
<Bob> i just
dont have the time to read trough the entire lua guide
L154[15:26:06]
<Bob> to
find out my answer
L155[15:26:20]
<Bob> i will
see if there is a lua book in any shop
L156[15:26:27]
<Bob> i
doubt there's something
L157[15:26:38] <Izaya> Not exactly what I
meant but anyway
L158[15:26:44] <Izaya> Too early in the
morning
L159[15:26:58]
<Compu>
theres a few games that use DRM to block the use of steam
proton
L160[15:27:28] <Izaya> Namely Ubisoft
games
L161[15:27:36] <Izaya> and EA, I
think
L162[15:27:47]
<Bob>
*EA*
L163[15:27:52] <Izaya> Given their
mediocre launchers don't work under Proton
L164[15:28:08] <Izaya> But eh, nothing of
value was lost
L165[15:29:05]
<Compu>
warframe does this
L166[15:29:08]
<Compu> last
i checked
L167[15:29:33]
<Compu> like
they go so far as to ban ur account from ever playing the game
again if u even try to run it under steam proton
L168[15:29:46] <Izaya> I heard it worked
fine last I checked
L169[15:30:12] <Izaya> That said, I
haven't actually tried because I have other time sinks
L170[15:30:13]
<Compu>
maybe they got enough backlash and changed it?
L173[15:32:54] <Izaya> Oh EAC
L174[15:33:02] <Izaya> hrm yeah that'd be
a problem
L175[15:33:29]
<Compu>
apparently EAC relies on kernel level access to the RAM
L176[15:33:49] <Izaya> That's why it's not
practical to run the Windows build of ARK despite it raping the RAM
less: no official multiplayer
L177[15:34:00]
<Compu>
which is pretty insecure and has the potential to be used to spy on
the user
L178[15:34:48] <Izaya> lots of anticheat
software is more or less a rootkit
L179[15:34:53]
<Compu> not
only could the company that makes EAC use it to spy on users but
any malicious entities who happen to find backdoors into EAC could
do the same
L180[15:35:20] <Izaya> true enough
L181[15:35:32]
<Compu> oh
yeah remember when sony put a rootkit virus in all it's music CDs
to keep them from being ripped?
L182[15:35:41]
<Compu> like
putting the CD in ur computer would fuck up ur system
L183[15:35:48] <Izaya> not really, but
I've seen a video about it
L184[15:36:01]
<Bob> Oh
yea
L185[15:36:05] <AmandaC> They got sued to
hell for that
L186[15:36:10] *
Izaya never really did the CD thing, went straight from tapes to
digital
L187[15:36:11]
<Bob>
^^
L188[15:36:18]
<Compu> lol
so why isn't EAC and such getting sued
L189[15:36:41] <Izaya> because it doesn't
break your system, one presumes
L190[15:37:02]
<Compu> well
it doesn't break in a way the average user can easily detect
L191[15:37:07] <Izaya> fwiw, EAC for Linux
was (is?) a thing
L192[15:37:10]
<Compu> but
it almost definitely does break it
L193[15:37:22] <AmandaC> It's not the fact
it was a rootkit that got them, it's the fact it was a shitty
rootkit
L195[15:37:41] <AmandaC> It literally made
windows not work
L196[15:37:44]
<Compu>
still
L197[15:37:49]
<Compu>
should be a crime
L198[15:37:57] <Inari> s/roo/loo/
L199[15:37:59] <MichiBot> <AmandaC>
It's not the fact it was a lootkit that got them, it's the fact it
was a shitty rootkit
L200[15:37:59] <AmandaC> Should be, never
will
L201[15:38:03] <Izaya> you gonna sue
Microsoft too?
L202[15:38:11] <Izaya> they're guilty of
much worse :^)
L203[15:38:13]
<Compu> i
have no money
L204[15:38:19]
<Compu> oh
yeah i know
L205[15:38:24] <AmandaC> The CIA/NSA/other
TLAs wouldn't be able to function
L206[15:38:34]
<Compu> but
this specific conversation isn't about microsoft's atrocities
L207[15:38:56] <Izaya> if you want a more
literal response
L208[15:39:13] <Izaya> they're not getting
sued and it's not illegal because it's not bad enough for people to
care enough
L209[15:39:18] <AmandaC> The easiest way
to break a system has always, and always will be, to leave a
floppy/CD/pen drive in the parking lot and wake
L210[15:39:31] <AmandaC> Wait*
L212[15:40:22]
<Compu>
lol
L213[15:40:30]
<Compu>
never plug random shit into a machine u care about
L214[15:40:54]
<Compu>
always use a junk linux machine not connected to the internet for
that
L215[15:41:33] <AmandaC> or a machine on
the same LAN as the one you care about
L216[15:41:35]
<Compu> u
wouldn't plug random syringe needles into ur body, so why plug
random stuff into ur main machine?
L217[15:41:55] <AmandaC> but human
curiosity is stronger than common sense in most places.
L218[15:42:02] <AmandaC> A large part of
security is protecting people from themselves
L219[15:42:25] <AmandaC> "Hey, <IT
Guy> Why can't I go to <random keyboard-smash url>? It has
funny cat videos!"
L220[15:43:01] <AmandaC> never mind the
videos are payloas.
L221[15:43:12] <Izaya> security would be
much easier without users
L222[15:43:14]
<Compu>
lol
L223[15:43:30]
<FLORANA>
RIP the wiki
L224[15:43:31]
<FLORANA>
`Your connection is not private`
L225[15:43:55] <Izaya> >The certificate
is only valid for cil.li.
L226[15:44:10] <Izaya> I guess I should
email sangar given they're not here
L227[15:44:14]
<Compu> u
can tell someone their dumb browser game is a virus, demonstrate
it, show them what it can and will do, and they'll still likely go
and continue to use that site and play that game
L229[15:44:50]
<FLORANA>
`cil.li` just says `Go away.`
L230[15:44:53]
<FLORANA>
lol
L231[15:45:04] <Izaya> Eyup.
L232[15:45:18] *
Izaya pokes Lizzy
L233[15:45:28]
<FLORANA>
but `ocdoc.cil.li` isn't secure tho
L234[15:45:30] <Izaya> I presume you have
something faster than snail mail to talk to Sangar
L235[15:45:36] *
Lizzy wiggles
L236[15:45:56] <Lizzy> what's up?
L237[15:46:12] <AmandaC> Lizzy: ocdoc is
forcing https, when there's no valid cert for it
L238[15:46:22] <AmandaC> ( I wasn't sure
if you were in charge of that as well as th eforums )
L239[15:46:33]
<Compu>
@FLORANA ur not logging in or sending any secure info to it so does
it really need to be secure?
L240[15:46:35] <AmandaC> (( Which is why I
didn't ping you ))
L241[15:46:47] <Lizzy> ah, sadly only just
the forums, i'll ping sangar on discord though
L242[15:46:47]
<FLORANA>
what?
L243[15:47:08] <AmandaC> @Compu it's a
full wiki, with log in and editing and everything.
L244[15:47:11]
<FLORANA>
you don't need enything to go onto document
L245[15:47:21]
<Compu>
ah
L246[15:47:23]
<Compu> ok
then
L247[15:48:23] <Lizzy> have poked the
sangar
L248[15:48:54]
<Forecaster>
godammit
L249[15:49:06]
<Forecaster>
why can't I log in to sftp as root
L250[15:49:07]
<Forecaster>
:|
L251[15:49:17]
<Compu>
maybe cuz root login is disabled
L252[15:49:29]
<Forecaster>
I keep trying to set the root password but it keeps saying no
L253[15:49:32]
<Forecaster>
that might be it...
L254[15:49:48]
<Compu> if
it's an ubuntu based system root login is usually completely
disabled by default
L255[15:50:08]
<Compu> ur
meant to use sudo and su instead
L256[15:50:27]
<Compu> ie
login as a sudoer and do `sudo su` to login as root
L257[15:51:06]
<Forecaster>
can't do that via sftp
L258[15:51:54]
<Compu>
*shrug*
L259[15:52:27]
<Forecaster>
dammit vim, why do you have dark blue against black as the color
for comments
L260[15:52:29]
<Forecaster>
:|
L261[15:53:21] <Izaya> Compu: >sudo
su
L262[15:53:21]
<Compu> u
could trying chowning things instead depending on what ur trying to
down
L263[15:53:24]
<Compu> u
could trying chowning things instead depending on what ur trying to
do [Edited]
L264[15:53:28] <Izaya> Use sudo -s you
animal
L265[15:53:33]
<Compu> that
too
L266[15:53:40]
<Compu> i
don't login as root much
L267[15:53:53]
<Compu> i
just sudo `command`
L268[15:54:11]
<Forecaster>
or sudo -i
L269[15:54:53]
<Compu> if u
do `sudo -s` and then try changing the root password maybe it will
work?
L270[15:55:12]
<Forecaster>
root login was disabled, I've re-enabled it
L271[15:55:21]
<Compu>
there ya go
L272[15:55:31]
<Technophilus> yeah gg
L273[15:55:33]
<Compu> glad
to be of held
L274[15:55:35]
<Technophilus> I was coming to tell about
the wiki
L275[15:55:35]
<Compu> glad
to be of help [Edited]
L276[15:55:39]
<Technophilus> but someone else already
did
L277[15:55:44]
<Compu>
lol
L278[15:55:59]
<Technophilus> whoever does the certbot
forgot to add oc.cil.li and ocdoc.cil.li as domains
L279[15:57:15] <Lizzy> oc.cil.li is hosted
by me, so it wouldn't be in the base cil.li cert, i've poked sangar
as he hosts the wiki
L280[15:57:36] <Lizzy> also my most used
sudo command is sudo !!
L281[15:58:24]
<Technophilus> the certificate on
ocdoc.cil.li says it is only valid for cil.li. So you must have the
ability to get certs for cil.li
L282[15:59:04] <Lizzy> Sangar hosts the
cil.li and ocdoc.cil.li domains, which is where the issue is.
oc.cil.li is fine
L283[15:59:14]
<Technophilus> oh ok
L284[15:59:58] <Izaya> well this is
fun
L285[16:00:07]
<Technophilus> why are you both bots
L286[16:00:08] <Izaya> E:D is on a 75%
sale and the servers aren't handling the load
L287[16:00:14]
<Technophilus> did you make opencomputers
discord clients
L288[16:00:14] <Lizzy> lol
L289[16:00:16] <Izaya> you are the bot,
sorry
L290[16:00:46] <Lizzy> we have an IRC
<-> Discord relay bridge called Corded
L291[16:00:57]
<Technophilus> oh but why
L292[16:01:00]
<Technophilus> why not just use
discord
L293[16:01:09] <Izaya> don't get me
started
L294[16:01:18] <Lizzy> we started on irc,
we're not going to abandon it
L295[16:01:42]
<Technophilus> so sentiment, rather than
reason, dictates the reaon to stay on irc
L297[16:01:46]
<Technophilus> so sentiment, rather than
reason, dictates the reason to stay on irc [Edited]
L298[16:01:56] <Izaya> >doesn't require
running a web browser to use
L299[16:02:01] <Izaya> nah, there are
definitely reasons
L300[16:06:56]
<Technophilus> a discord client for
opencomputers would be interesting
L301[16:07:26] <Izaya> and unneccesary
when Discord will be gone in a few years and we already have an IRC
client :^)
L302[16:08:27]
<Technophilus> as if. Skype still exists
(largely irrelevant now but for business) but it lasted a long
time. Besides, you miss out on things like embeds, voice chat, the
store, etc
L303[16:08:52] <Izaya> I mean, given the
history, it's a forgeone conclusion.
L304[16:08:56]
<Technophilus> Discord will never die in
the sense that IRC will never die (they will both become unpopular,
IRC already has)
L305[16:09:13] <Lizzy> embeds are maybe
the only decent thing on that list
L306[16:09:29] <Izaya> It'll get sold off
in a few years, the owner will get sued again, make a few million
$$$, and move onto the next thing
L307[16:10:01]
<Technophilus> Discord is giving out free
games till 2020. Can't really compete with free
L308[16:11:28]
<Technophilus> Yeah, ill admit discord is
too heavy (electron, etc) but afaik no one has really written a
better client
L309[16:11:47] <Lizzy> that's because if
you do use a better client, they'll ban you
L310[16:11:55]
<20kdc>
Discord is really shiny but also technically rough and too
centralized for my liking. I'm using it, yes, but one doesn't
really have a choice...
L311[16:12:09]
<20kdc>
...at least if they don't like putting themselves on an island,
anyway.
L312[16:12:24]
<20kdc> As
it is, I stick to the webapp. It is a webapp at heart anyway, so
might as well treat it as one.
L313[16:12:45]
<Technophilus> I use the program because
many libraries are native for better optimization
L314[16:13:06] <Izaya> gotta love em
having more access to your machine, eh?
L315[16:13:07] <Lizzy> eh, it's no more
native than running it in chrome
L316[16:13:26]
<20kdc> On
mobile it might be more native, but on desktop it's basically just
the webapp with added shinies
L317[16:13:38]
<Technophilus> Thats not really true
L318[16:14:14]
<Technophilus> If youve ever tried to set
up a discord bot in js, discord.js (my library of choice) tries to
install native libraries to enhance speed. I would assume the
desktop app does the same
L320[16:14:53] <Lizzy> that's native
librarys for the web-access stuff, not discord itself
L321[16:14:57]
<20kdc>
"to enhance speed"? Pretty sure the libraries are things
like audio/video decoders
L322[16:15:00]
<Technophilus> Yes
L323[16:15:08]
<Technophilus> Things that would be much
slower without them
L324[16:15:09]
<20kdc>
where it's less about speed and more about not wanting to write
asm.js wrappers
L325[16:15:10]
<Technophilus> like in js
L326[16:15:21]
<Technophilus> Also, things like uws for
websockets
L327[16:15:39] <Lizzy> except those can
all be used for stuff other than discord
L329[16:16:02]
<20kdc> A
websocket library is irrelevant in the presence of electron, as
there is a fast native websocket library already
L330[16:16:05]
<Technophilus> from package.json
L331[16:16:40]
<Technophilus> also, node-opus for voice
(most of these are voice and stuff, but bufferutil and erlpack are
not)
L332[16:16:49]
<Technophilus> Also, erlpack is made by
discord probably for discord desktop
L333[16:17:10] *
Izaya squints
L334[16:17:22] <Izaya> Man, Mumble uses
more memory than expected: 70MB
L335[16:17:23]
<20kdc>
Regarding node-opus & the like, see previous note: why bother
trying to get it on asm.js and then writing a messy wrapper on that
when you can just make a quick native wrapper
L336[16:17:46]
<Technophilus> well yeah
L337[16:17:52]
<Technophilus> but
L338[16:17:58]
<Technophilus> these are things that are
not present on web
L339[16:18:02]
<20kdc>
Um.
L340[16:18:09]
<20kdc> Opus
decoding and encoding is very much present on the web.
L341[16:18:18]
<Technophilus> but erlpack and stuff
L342[16:18:21]
<20kdc>
Well, not totally sure about encoding, but asm.js solves
that.
L343[16:18:44]
<20kdc>
(That said, wouldn't Opus encoding be what WebRTC was for?
Hm.)
L344[16:19:14]
<20kdc>
AAanyway, erlpack seems rather odd in the context of Discord
anything
L345[16:19:26]
<20kdc>
given... well, stuff about Erlang in a JSON-fancy-modern API
L346[16:19:29]
<20kdc>
seems off
L347[16:21:06]
<20kdc>
Point is, though: discord.js's dependency list is a
worst-case-scenario that doesn't consider the additional access
brought in by Electron and thus actual Web APIs (for better or ill,
see: Electron application size)
L348[16:21:35]
<20kdc> It's
meant for people using Node, which does *not* equal web APIs.
L349[16:24:51]
<Technophilus> alrighty then
L350[16:28:44]
<ZefTheFox>
Don't you love how long it takes for windows to check for avalible
shrink space on a tb drive
L351[16:36:13] <Izaya> so like
L352[16:36:19] <Izaya> there are dual-GPU
cards
L353[16:36:26] <Izaya> which you can then
SLI for 4-way SLI
L354[16:36:36] <Izaya> so I have to
wonder: are there dual-dual-GPU cards?
L355[16:36:38]
<Technophilus> just like I could with my
old 550 ti
L356[16:36:39] <Izaya> :D
L357[16:36:43]
<Technophilus> 4 way sli
L358[16:36:58] <Izaya> I had 2 GTX 690s
for a while, total housefire
L359[16:37:07]
<Technophilus> im waiting on Navi
3080
L360[16:37:56] <Izaya> tfw want an AMD
card but keep being given high-end NVIDIA cards
L361[16:38:03]
<Technophilus> same
L362[16:38:11]
<Technophilus> AMD needs to get their head
out of their ass with RTG
L363[16:38:14] <Izaya> I guess I can't
complain, but I don't really want to use the proprietary drivers
:<
L364[16:38:17]
<Technophilus> ryzen is good, ryzen 3000
looks great
L365[16:38:26]
<Technophilus> but RTG needs to step it
up
L366[16:38:36]
<ZefTheFox>
Am I the only person satisfied with AMD's old stuff?
L367[16:38:42]
<Technophilus> Polaris?
L368[16:38:44] <Izaya> define old
L369[16:38:51]
<Technophilus> or Bulldozer?
L370[16:38:56]
<Technophilus> How old
L371[16:38:59]
<ZefTheFox>
let me check
L372[16:39:07]
<Technophilus> CPU or GPU
L373[16:39:11]
<ZefTheFox>
Both
L374[16:39:13]
<Technophilus> AMD used to make great
GPUs
L375[16:39:19]
<ZefTheFox>
Vishera cpu
L376[16:39:23]
<Technophilus> but then Nvidia released
Maxwell
L377[16:39:30]
<ZefTheFox>
and an rx 460
L378[16:39:42]
<Technophilus> oh so polaris and
piledriver
L379[16:39:43]
<Kodos>
%tonk
L380[16:39:44] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Kodos,
you were not able to beat Michiyo's record of 1 day, 14 minutes and
24 seconds this time.
L381[16:39:45] <MichiBot> 2 hours, 53
minutes and 23 seconds were wasted!
L382[16:39:48]
<ZefTheFox>
specifically an fx-8320 black edition cpu
L383[16:39:50]
<Kodos>
Welp
L384[16:39:59] <Izaya> I kinda want an RX
580, just because of the VRAM
L385[16:40:04]
<Technophilus> Bulldozer isnt so bad
L386[16:40:13]
<Technophilus> but it is really hot and
inefficient
L387[16:40:48]
<ZefTheFox>
The cpu is great for everything I need it for
L388[16:40:50]
<Technophilus> Bulldozer kinda got a bad
rap. Ryzen was a great change, but Intel looks like they will be
doing 3d transistors in the near future
L389[16:41:00]
<ZefTheFox>
and the gpu is incredible for it's size and powerusage
L390[16:41:01]
<Technophilus> Id like to see how they will
go
L391[16:41:07]
<Technophilus> I have a rx 480
L392[16:41:10]
<Technophilus> (polaris)
L393[16:41:21]
<MGR>
Polaris isn't bad, but I was never a fan of bulldozer
L394[16:41:34] <Izaya> Bulldozer is good
for parallel workloads, but the applications of that are ...
limited
L395[16:41:36]
<Technophilus> Vega was too expensive for
its performance level ($600 for a Vega 64 non reference?)
L396[16:41:51]
<Technophilus> Bulldozer is pretty good for
modern applications that can use multiple threads
L397[16:42:15]
<Technophilus> Bulldozer was kinda ahead of
its time. Bulldozer arch + modern IPC and clocks = a decent entry
level CPU
L398[16:42:26]
<Technophilus> probably comparable to the
Ryzen 5 2400g but more expensive
L399[16:43:27] <Izaya>
Bulldozer makes me think ARM
but worse: not overly fast single-thread, lots of cores, but
because it's x86, super inefficient
L400[16:44:09]
<Technophilus> AMD got it right with Zen,
it looks like theyll do well with Zen 2 and chiplets (economies of
scale allowing for cheaper parts)
L401[16:45:35]
<Technophilus> but id like to see what
intel does with 3d transistors (it might be just hype)
L402[16:48:31]
<Technophilus> Bulldozer is better than it
was because nowadays more programs are multithreaded
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<ZefTheFox>
oh no
L410[17:34:34] <Izaya> interesting
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L418[20:11:33]
<Technophilus> Can we just switch these
messages to changing the users online indicators?
L419[20:15:39]
<ZefTheFox>
That's not how it works
L420[20:15:43]
<ZefTheFox>
That's an irc relay
L421[20:15:49]
<ZefTheFox>
They're not actually on discord
L422[20:18:00]
<Technophilus> I know
L423[20:18:17]
<Technophilus> But when it says they come
online, just replace it with a switch of a status indicator
L424[20:18:21]
<Technophilus> And same when they go
offline
L425[20:20:38]
<MGR> There
is no status indicator to switch
L426[20:25:51]
<Communist Bill
Gates> How can I assign Minecraft 1.5GB of ram
L427[20:27:42]
<ZefTheFox>
What are you using to launch it?
L428[20:27:53]
<Communist Bill
Gates> The old launcher
L429[20:28:03]
<ZefTheFox>
Don't remember
L430[20:28:17]
<Communist Bill
Gates> I can check JVM arguments anyway
L431[20:38:20]
<Technophilus> The status indicator is the
green circle that can turn grey or yellow or red
L432[20:38:46]
<ZefTheFox>
Go ahead.
L433[20:39:00]
<ZefTheFox>
Find the status indicator for anyone on irc.
L434[20:39:23]
<Technophilus> No, I mean on discord.
Instead of having corded announce when the bot user it controls
comes online
L435[20:39:41]
<ZefTheFox>
There is *only* 1 bot
L436[20:39:42]
<Technophilus> Just change it's indicator
from grey to green
L437[20:39:46]
<ZefTheFox>
It's actually a webhook
L438[20:39:57]
<Technophilus> Oh, ok. I didn't know
that
L439[20:40:09]
<ZefTheFox>
It changes it's name depending on whoever sends the message
L440[20:40:13]
<Technophilus> That makes it easier to
understand
L441[20:40:48]
<ZefTheFox>
And I'm pretty sure bots don't have control over their status
indicator, if the bots offline it's not gonna do anything
L442[20:41:05]
<MGR> I
think a bot can change its status indicator
L443[20:41:08]
<Technophilus> It does. If a bot is offline
it can't but an online bot can control it's indicator
L444[20:41:12]
<Technophilus> Just like a user can
L445[20:41:14]
<MGR> I've
done some Discord bot development
L446[20:41:29]
<Technophilus> In fact in exactly the same
way a user can
L447[20:41:46]
<ZefTheFox>
Well all I've touched is the webhook
L448[20:42:00]
<Technophilus> The webhook cannot control
indicators
L449[20:42:07]
<ZefTheFox>
Which is what the irc bot uses, it's not a user in the
discord
L450[20:42:19]
<Technophilus> I thought it was
L451[20:45:58]
<Communist Bill
Gates> I figured it out
L452[20:57:54] <AmandaC> ... def need to
fine some more wholesome stories to read
L453[20:58:39] <AmandaC> Why are so many
female lead stories so gorram smutty D:
L454[21:06:22] <AmandaC> %tell Inari
21:58:39
<AmandaC> Why are so many female lead stories
so gorram smutty D:
L455[21:06:22] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L456[21:07:27] <AmandaC> %choose be smart
or be dumb
L457[21:07:28] <MichiBot> AmandaC: If I
had a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about be
smart
L458[21:08:36]
<ZefTheFox>
%choose recursive or recursive
L459[21:08:36] <MichiBot> ZefTheFox: Why
not both?
L460[21:08:50]
<ZefTheFox>
That is honestly the best response
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<TheFox>
Over an hour late to the reply. But I do agree.
L469[22:25:38]
<TheFox>
Given the options. I think Michibot chose the best response
possible.
L470[22:29:41]
<ZefTheFox>
How long have you been in this discord?
L471[22:32:34]
<ZefTheFox>
I swear I haven't seen you before
L472[22:34:04] <Mimiru> @ZefTheFox well,
they've been on IRC since 2016 or so, I'd have to dig more to find
the switch to Discord
L473[22:34:47] <Mimiru> 12/31/2017 looks
like.
L474[22:34:54]
<ZefTheFox>
Wow
L475[22:35:04]
<ZefTheFox>
They must be active when I'm not on
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L478[22:46:30] <Izaya> obligatory
"There are 31 months?"
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L480[23:32:21] <Mimiru> 39 actually.
L481[23:33:43] <Izaya> whoa
L482[23:38:26] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L483[23:38:27] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Michiyo's record of 1 day,
14 minutes and 24 seconds this time.
L484[23:38:28] <MichiBot> 6 hours, 58
minutes and 42 seconds were wasted!
L485[23:38:37] <Mimiru> welp.
L486[23:40:36]
<Kodos>
lul
L487[23:42:06] *
CompanionCube is happy with his piledriver 8350 +
RX480
L488[23:43:00] <CompanionCube> more IPC
would be sweet, but I don't feel an upgrade is needed.
L489[23:45:43] <CompanionCube> (my current
system dating from juuust before ryzen was released has nothing to
do with it. Honest.)