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L5[01:23:35] <xarses> gamax92: I figured I should start with getting luajit to run since its closer to love, but w/o having to deal with their graphics. I've fumbled through getting bit32/utf8, and table patched to behave the same. I've got it to load the SDL window but nothing happens, any thoughts/pointers?
L6[01:23:55] <gamax92> luajit is also 5.1
L7[01:24:00] <xarses> I know
L8[01:24:01] <gamax92> and love uses luajit anywy
L9[01:24:07] <xarses> I also know
L10[01:24:10] <gamax92> why are you doing this.
L11[01:24:15] <xarses> which Is why I'd start there
L12[01:24:20] <xarses> because I want to?
L13[01:25:10] <xarses> I'd love to get a nice packaged up emu to drop anywhere like say my tablet
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L15[01:42:17] <payonel> xarses: o/
L16[01:42:38] <xarses> payonel: \o
L17[01:46:36] <xarses> hmm, hangs trying to coreroutine.resume(machine.thread)
L18[01:49:40] <xarses> coroutine even
L19[01:51:33] <Forecaster> maybe it was the corecoroutine
L20[01:56:53] <xarses> oh man, I need to goto bed
L21[01:57:06] * xarses saves figuring out machine.lua for later
L22[02:32:34] <Izaya> xarses: just ssh into a machine with ocvm tbh
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L34[06:29:15] <MGR> https://notalwaysright.com/dont-salute-their-efforts-to-get-free-groceries/120160/
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L37[08:00:40] <Forecaster> https://notalwaysright.com/a-shocking-discovery/65153/
L38[08:00:43] <Forecaster> that is quite disco
L39[08:01:50] <Forecaster> @MGR wow, that's... quite the person
L40[08:01:59] <MGR> Yeah
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L44[08:28:59] <Kodos> %loot
L45[08:28:59] <MichiBot> Kodos: You get a loot box! It contains a doorknob.
L46[08:29:08] <MGR> %tonk
L47[08:29:08] <MichiBot> I'm sorry MGR, you were not able to beat MGR's record of 2 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 49 minutes and 10 seconds this time.
L48[08:29:09] <MichiBot> 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 33 minutes and 7 seconds were wasted!
L49[08:37:05] <AmandaC> @Forecaster see, this is why tonk needs changing.
L50[08:37:26] <MGR> ?
L51[08:37:37] <Forecaster> I did that, but apparently the comparison is not working correctly
L52[08:38:52] <AmandaC> Also, I had an idea for %choose since you decided to make it semi-useless at times. Instead of a fixed 'choice' 'other_choice' sort the options randomly, then dynamically replace 'choice_<idx>' Then you could do something like "{choice_0} or {choice_1}... definately not {choice_2} though!"
L53[08:39:34] <AmandaC> I'd code it up, but it seems I caught my sister's cold
L54[08:40:12] <Forecaster> I don't see how it's "semi useless", if it gives you two options just go with the first one, they're still random
L55[08:40:35] <AmandaC> At the very least it'd make more interesting responses
L56[08:43:12] <AmandaC> Also, did you see the thing I pinged you about last night, @Forecaster? `%inv add` shows an error, `%give MicihiBot` pretends everything's fine
L57[08:43:25] <Forecaster> yes
L58[08:44:06] <Forecaster> probably because give calls the add methods but doesn't check for exceptions
L59[08:44:13] <Forecaster> or something
L60[08:45:57] <AmandaC> %choose radiation or halucinate
L61[08:45:57] <MichiBot> AmandaC: I'm 40% halucinate!
L62[08:46:38] <AmandaC> anyway, that's enough michibot-idea-dumping, I'm going back to laying down and guess I'll read more Shepherds Moon
L63[08:47:32] <Forecaster> turns out there are a lot of things called that
L64[08:47:53] <AmandaC> https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/10236/shepherd-moon-2nd-edition <-- the one I mean
L65[08:48:06] <AmandaC> It's a nice story, and I like the lead's thinking
L66[08:48:30] <AmandaC> "Hrm, I'm male, and we're going to make contact with a primarially matriarchial soceity of aliens. I know! Sex Change!"
L67[08:49:00] <Forecaster> "I'm Shepherd Moon, and this is my favourite sex on the Citadel"
L68[08:49:52] <AmandaC> I'm kinda curious if the aliens will find out about this, considering they consider her royalty at this point.
L69[10:54:54] <payonel> xarses: https://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:autorun_options and https://ocdoc.cil.li/api:rc
L70[11:01:58] <Izaya> <3 rc
L71[11:02:52] <payonel> i spent all my free time yesterday working on just the autorun_options doc page
L72[11:03:06] <payonel> Izaya: and i only was able to check off one of this list https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2686
L73[11:03:07] <MichiBot> Title: The Big Wiki issue | Posted by: payonel | Posted: Mon Dec 18 19:14:42 CST 2017 | Status: open
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L75[11:34:09] <Izaya> payonel: I keep meaning to write more for rc but I don't really know how I want to do it
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L78[12:21:21] <payonel> Izaya: write more where? as a user, as a pr for the controller, or for the docs?
L79[12:21:34] <Izaya> Docs
L80[12:21:44] <payonel> oh golly please
L81[12:21:47] <payonel> i wish everyone would write docs
L82[12:21:58] <payonel> it's going to take me ages to write all those docs
L83[12:22:26] <payonel> xarses: also, i have admin perms on ocdoc, i can add plugins
L84[12:22:37] <payonel> but, i also have no clue what you want to do with templates
L85[12:22:54] <payonel> so.......you should let me know what plugin you want, and then you should makes some templates and start applying them =D
L86[12:26:30] <Forecaster> http://tinyurl.com/y8n7tchb
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L88[12:42:08] <asie> AmandaC: it does not need to be changed
L89[12:42:25] <asie> if you respect MGR's right to a tonk I will respect Inari's right to the best in-OC network protocol
L90[12:42:30] <asie> or something
L91[12:42:40] * asie runs
L92[12:42:54] <Inari> Wait what
L93[12:43:28] <asie> or was it Izaya
L94[12:43:31] <asie> I always get you two confused, sorry
L95[12:43:35] <asie> like, literally all the time
L96[12:43:57] <Inari> I don't recall having anything to do with OC network protocols at least
L97[12:43:57] <Inari> :P
L98[12:44:03] <Forecaster> inari is the lewd one and Izaya is the izaya one
L99[12:44:24] <asie> iunno i always think of them as one entity
L100[12:44:25] <Izaya> What's that supposed to mean? >.>
L101[12:44:41] <asie> it's a terrible thing and i'm sorry but i can't help it
L102[12:44:43] <Inari> Izaya is the creepy knife guy
L103[12:44:47] <asie> WHAT HAVE I DONE
L104[12:44:47] <Inari> Inari is the cute foxgir
L105[12:44:49] <Inari> l
L106[12:45:56] <Forecaster> it means I couldn't think of anything :P
L107[12:46:14] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/309529094452936705/487294989018071041/37716329_2124233034499064_8355500519476690944_n.jpg o.o
L108[12:46:59] <Inari> Well to me Izaya is the one who has 50 outdated computers for one reason or another. Does odd complicated stuff like writing OC network stacks/OS stuff, and dunno. :P quite different from me anyway
L109[12:48:17] <Forecaster> that doesn't really roll off the tongue though :P
L110[12:48:48] <Inari> Theres fun stuff which rolls off the tongue
L111[12:50:04] <payonel> Inari: nice
L112[12:52:06] <Inari> payonel: Nya?
L113[13:01:52] <payonel> nice: fun activities that roll off the tongue
L114[13:03:30] <Inari> Ah xP
L115[13:06:38] <Inari> %loot AmandaC
L116[13:06:38] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a loot box! It contains roberto's knife.
L117[13:06:42] <Inari> D:
L118[13:10:04] <Izaya> interesting
L119[13:10:28] <Izaya> Windows 10 feature releases get 18 months support but the non-feature releases in between get 30 months
L120[13:11:10] <Izaya> still inconvenient but I guess that'd be less obnoxious than everything breaking every 6 months, it's only once every two years, if you want
L121[13:11:22] <Izaya> (and want to pay enterprise licensing)
L122[13:11:39] <Izaya> looks like they're extending Windows 7 support also, if you want to pay several times enterprise licensing
L123[13:12:18] * Izaya hmms
L124[13:12:33] <Izaya> Maybe the year of the Linux desktop has been pushed back a year or two.
L125[13:12:47] <Izaya> (though, every year is the year of the linux desktop)
L126[13:14:58] <Forecaster> The 50th episode of Detours is 51 minutes long
L127[13:15:05] <Forecaster> by accident
L128[13:15:19] <Izaya> by accident?
L129[13:15:31] <Izaya> just make sure the 64th is 1:04
L130[13:18:34] * Inari now playing: Under17 - Love Slave
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L136[14:30:41] <Inari> "Dreams are weird, this one involved, a reality altering android that stuck us in places we knew and had us find the thing that didn't give me another option >_>" sounds like something AmandaC would dream up
L137[14:42:34] * Inari sticks NFPA704 on AmandaC
L138[14:53:26] <Inari> Hrm
L139[14:53:32] <Inari> I wonder if you could port hackmatch to OC
L140[14:53:57] <Inari> Probably not in the graphics it has in Exapunks, until the GPU improvements (if those come)
L141[15:09:17] <Temia> Mwerp
L142[15:09:30] <Temia> I am moo, hear me moo.
L143[15:09:32] * Temia moos. 'o'
L144[15:12:16] * Inari meowbarks at Temia
L145[15:12:29] <Inari> Also poor Hokkaido
L146[15:12:36] * Temia patpats the silly catwoof. You're supposed to yip and kon and stuff.
L147[15:12:49] <Inari> xP
L148[15:12:49] <Temia> Yeah, that's a miserable situation to be in.
L149[15:15:18] <Inari> ~markov Temia
L150[15:15:19] <ocdoc> I would like to pay for a house IN BALMUNG though :D Yaaaay
L151[15:15:45] <Temia> It's a fair cop
L152[15:16:09] <Inari> Many people like getting a fair cop
L153[15:31:08] <AmandaC> Inari: Hokkaido?
L154[15:32:12] <XeroTRV2> https://gyazo.com/0a6414d9e8bb62cd6dcfac4c75e54555
L155[15:32:16] <Inari> Earhtquake
L156[15:32:24] <XeroTRV2> shut up ^
L157[15:32:32] <Inari> ?
L158[15:32:35] <XeroTRV2> get your webhook self out of here
L159[15:32:40] * AmandaC lays down in Temia's lap, purrs softly
L160[15:32:48] <XeroTRV2> what the fuck
L161[15:33:06] <MGR> What?
L162[15:33:17] <XeroTRV2> https://gyazo.com/0a6414d9e8bb62cd6dcfac4c75e54555
L163[15:33:24] * Temia petpetpets
L164[15:33:26] <MGR> Yeah, we got that the first time
L165[15:33:35] <XeroTRV2> do you want it another time
L166[15:33:40] <MGR> Are you asking why it won't work?
L167[15:33:44] <XeroTRV2> yes
L168[15:33:50] <XeroTRV2> i cant socialize properly
L169[15:33:59] <AmandaC> I guess @XeroTRV2 doesn't want any help from the irc users
L170[15:34:05] <Inari> xD
L171[15:34:15] <XeroTRV2> i dont
L172[15:34:20] <Inari> RIP
L173[15:34:35] <MGR> Well, that's pretty unfortunate that you're shutting out a portion of the channel
L174[15:34:50] <Temia> Rather sad since anyone who's competent enough to run a native IRC client is typically more suited to helping you :P
L175[15:34:56] <XeroTRV2> ok
L176[15:34:58] <MGR> Does the computer have an internet card?
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L178[15:35:16] <Durex77> @XeroTRV2 code pls
L179[15:35:25] <Temia> Sup, webchat--I mean Xero :P
L180[15:35:29] <MGR> @Durex77 There isn't a code
L181[15:35:38] <MGR> He's using the built in pastebin program
L182[15:35:54] <Durex77> aaa
L183[15:35:56] <Durex77> yea
L184[15:36:03] <xero> .
L185[15:36:27] <MGR> https://www.tenor.co/oxZb.gif
L186[15:36:31] <xero> i dont know if I should dislike the fact it just gave out my IP to everyone in here
L187[15:36:33] <MGR> Does your computer have an internet card?
L188[15:36:41] <xero> yes^
L189[15:36:45] <MGR> Ok
L190[15:36:56] <MGR> Do you have some sort of website whitelist in the OC config?
L191[15:37:02] <AmandaC> Here's a communication tip: don't tell people your going to ask for help to shut up. Even if but directed at the person who was going to help, they're less likely to want to help someone whose being a jerk
L192[15:37:23] <AmandaC> s/but/not/
L193[15:37:23] <MichiBot> <AmandaC> Here's a communication tip: don't tell people your going to ask for help to shut up. Even if not directed at the person who was going to help, they're less likely to want to help someone whose being a jerk
L194[15:38:49] <payonel> @XeroTRV2 um, this is an irc channel first
L195[15:38:58] <payonel> the webhook, rather, is for you on discord
L196[15:39:11] <xero> yes
L197[15:39:14] <xero> i see that
L198[15:39:57] <payonel> we used to have a problem with pastebin because it switched to https only i think
L199[15:40:02] <payonel> or was in the process, or had a redirect
L200[15:40:04] <payonel> or some such
L201[15:40:20] <payonel> can you check if your version of openos, and the /bin/pastebin.lua is using http or https?
L202[15:40:26] <payonel> do a `grep http /bin/pastebin.lua`
L203[15:40:38] <xero> ok
L204[15:40:42] <xero> in a few minutes
L205[15:40:45] <xero> my game crashed
L206[15:47:45] <xero> https://gyazo.com/415300d2cde5ccc7a33f2ec6f235cc23
L207[15:47:46] <xero> I got this
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L209[15:48:07] <payonel> ok
L210[15:48:52] <payonel> strange. is this your own serve? or a local game?
L211[15:49:01] <xero> local
L212[15:49:06] <xero> it works on a server I play on
L213[15:49:19] <xero> and im pretty sure it worked yesterday
L214[15:49:32] <payonel> there is probably some firewall on your system that is blocking java from opening socket
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L216[15:52:42] <AmandaC> %choose find something else to hallucinate or find some radiation
L217[15:52:42] <MichiBot> AmandaC: The proof is in the pudding. Definitely find something else to hallucinate.
L218[15:52:49] <AmandaC> Okay
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L220[15:53:38] <xero> anyway
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L223[16:08:17] <InariWB> "something like a spiritual status orgasmus." :thinking:
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L226[16:27:39] <AmandaC> Inari: meow?
L227[16:28:17] <Inari> Quote from a book :P
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L229[16:42:31] <AmandaC> Inari: what book?
L230[16:42:52] <Inari> Green Mars
L231[16:43:34] <AmandaC> ... that author sounds familiar.
L232[16:44:42] <AmandaC> Ah,t hat's why, I have her book 2312in my GPLay library
L233[16:47:25] <Inari> Not his book? :P
L234[16:50:54] <AmandaC> Meow?
L235[16:51:03] <AmandaC> oh.
L236[16:51:08] <AmandaC> I just assumed it was a female from "Kim"
L237[16:52:16] <Inari> Hehe
L238[16:52:19] <Inari> Anyway
L239[16:52:20] <Inari> Night
L240[16:53:36] <AmandaC> Night. :3
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L244[17:01:34] <Forecaster> D:
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L246[17:02:05] <Forecaster> @Lizzian something wrong with the bouncer?
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L261[17:45:19] <Eternal loneliness> Boo
L262[17:45:54] <! LoganDark> Boo
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L270[18:23:55] <! LoganDark> Hello?
L271[18:24:18] <MGR> Hi
L272[18:24:23] <MGR> %hello
L273[18:24:24] <MichiBot> MGR: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L274[18:32:22] <Izaya> is this the true power of the nonbreaking space?
L275[18:34:20] <! LoganDark> @MGR I know common sense lol
L276[18:34:42] <MGR> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L277[18:34:56] <MGR> Just want to make sure you're not holding any questions back
L278[18:35:07] <! LoganDark> What about this? https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1722-efficient-way-of-drawing-syntax-highlighting/
L279[18:41:53] <! LoganDark> @MGR hello?
L280[18:42:01] <MGR> What about it?
L281[18:42:12] <! LoganDark> Was just wondering if you had any answer
L282[18:43:01] <MGR> Alas, GPU operations are not my forte
L283[18:43:16] <! LoganDark> do you know anyone who might be able to answer?
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L285[18:48:06] <Izaya> bad answer: don't talk to the GPU
L286[18:48:19] <Izaya> using VT100 control codes is more portable
L287[18:48:35] <! LoganDark> OC has ANSI escapes?
L288[18:48:47] <Izaya> more useful answer: group drawing colours together, and combine any stuff on the same line together
L289[18:48:52] <Izaya> yeah OpenOS implements them
L290[18:49:02] <! LoganDark> Isn't that still talking to the GPU though? ?
L291[18:49:15] <! LoganDark> But just by OpenOS?
L292[18:49:32] <Izaya> Yeah, but you can pass VT100 escape codes through a pipe as text
L293[18:49:37] <Izaya> You can't pass function calls
L294[18:50:34] <! LoganDark> Lemme try that
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L296[18:51:03] <! LoganDark> https://puu.sh/BqTrl/27d677272d.png Oh nice
L297[18:51:14] <Izaya> some well-done escape codes would be as fast as drawing to the GPU directly
L298[18:51:24] <! LoganDark> Ty
L299[18:51:29] <! LoganDark> I'll try that
L300[18:51:38] <Izaya> more lua-side overhead but you won't be slowed down by that compared to the speed of component calls
L301[18:52:03] <! LoganDark> Honestly the lua-side overhead would be mostly tokenization
L302[18:52:25] <Izaya> grouping colours, putting strings together, etc
L303[18:52:33] <! LoganDark> Yeah
L304[18:52:43] <! LoganDark> Plus ANSI escapes probably work on t2 monitors too ?
L305[18:52:48] <Izaya> Yup.
L306[18:53:06] <! LoganDark> Instead of me taking a hex code and hoping it doesn't look totally different on a t2 which it almost always does
L307[18:53:15] <! LoganDark> Lol
L308[18:53:28] <CompanionCube> so many spaces in your display name
L309[18:53:28] <Izaya> And, if we eventually get a telnet server for OpenOS, your OS's terminal emulator
L310[18:53:43] <! LoganDark> Do you want me to remove them? https://puu.sh/BqTuM/9210f18c81.png
L311[18:53:53] <Izaya> Oh so that's not just mibbit acting up
L312[18:53:56] <Izaya> Huh.
L313[18:54:20] * CompanionCube wonders why the bot isn't translating zero-width spaces or something?
L314[18:54:50] <! LoganDark> HTML collapses lots of regular spaces to a single space unless white-space is set to pre or pre-wrap
L315[18:54:55] <! LoganDark> Discord displays it as one space
L316[18:54:57] <! LoganDark> Obviously IRC may not
L317[18:55:34] <Izaya> That'd be annoying if it did
L318[18:55:40] <Izaya> Couldn't do ASCII art properly
L319[18:55:53] <! LoganDark> Well I mean it doesn't collapse spaces in messages obviously
L320[18:55:54] <! LoganDark> Nothing should
L321[18:56:01] <! LoganDark> Messages have pre-wrap IIRC
L322[18:56:29] * Izaya shrugs
L323[18:56:35] <Izaya> Spaces aren't valid in IRC nicks
L324[18:56:41] <! LoganDark> Yeah
L325[18:57:02] <Izaya> I guess we've reached
L326[18:57:04] * Izaya drumrolls
L327[18:57:09] <Izaya> The edge case
L328[18:57:15] <! LoganDark> Edge case?
L329[18:57:24] <Izaya> It's like the outer limits but software.
L330[18:57:36] <! LoganDark> I know what an edge case *is*
L331[18:57:41] <! LoganDark> But what is the edge case here?
L332[18:58:20] <Izaya> Bridge bots from Discord to IRC not collapsing spaces in names because nobody even considered it being a thing
L333[18:58:30] <! LoganDark> RIP
L334[18:58:53] <CompanionCube> Mimiru:
L335[18:59:24] <Izaya> Unless someone did think of it and decided not to for some reason
L336[18:59:34] <! LoganDark> tfw using the mouse is faster than using the keyboard because my IDE has autocomplete and I have to hold down Ctrl to move my caret up and down
L337[18:59:54] <Izaya> how inconvenient
L338[19:00:09] <Izaya> gotta get good at that hjkl for movement
L339[19:00:11] <! LoganDark> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L340[19:00:24] <! LoganDark> My IDE doesn't have hjkl
L341[19:00:34] <! LoganDark> Probably has a plugin for it but I don't like vim anyway
L342[19:00:39] <CompanionCube> same
L343[19:01:00] <! LoganDark> The only Vim commands I know are `i` and `:x`
L344[19:01:05] <! LoganDark> And `<ESC>`
L345[19:01:10] <! LoganDark> Can't forget `<ESC>`
L346[19:01:31] * CompanionCube knows i and :wq
L347[19:01:34] <Izaya> :q is important
L348[19:01:35] <CompanionCube> and esc, yes.
L349[19:01:47] <! LoganDark> :x saves and quits
L350[19:02:06] <! LoganDark> ?
L351[19:02:19] <! LoganDark> you clearly don't know vim but that's okay because I don't either
L352[19:02:38] * Izaya squints
L353[19:02:40] <CompanionCube> why would i need to know more vim
L354[19:02:42] <CompanionCube> i have emacs
L355[19:02:47] <! LoganDark> Yes
L356[19:02:49] <! LoganDark> Emacs is best
L357[19:02:53] <! LoganDark> Terminal editor
L358[19:02:56] <Izaya> I can respect emacs
L359[19:02:56] <! LoganDark> Emacs is best terminal editor
L360[19:03:06] <Izaya> I prefer vim, but emacs is okay.
L361[19:03:11] <! LoganDark> LOL
L362[19:03:11] <CompanionCube> (and nano where emacs is not available)
L363[19:03:15] <! LoganDark> ^
L364[19:03:16] <! LoganDark> Yeah
L365[19:03:18] <CompanionCube> Izaya: you've mellowed i see
L366[19:03:36] <Izaya> CompanionCube: what isn't okay is running a web browser to edit text
L367[19:03:43] <! LoganDark> ATOM SUCKS
L368[19:03:55] <! LoganDark> I HATE ATOM
L369[19:04:01] * CompanionCube also uses GUI emacs
L370[19:04:02] <! LoganDark> ATOM IS SO SLOW AND TAKES FOREVER TO LOAD
L371[19:04:04] <CompanionCube> with GTK2
L372[19:04:17] <! LoganDark> *hates GUI emacs so uses terminal*
L373[19:04:19] <Izaya> It's one thing to run a lisp interpreter, it's another to run a Javascript ... thing, DOM display, etc.
L374[19:04:30] <! LoganDark> Yes
L375[19:04:33] <! LoganDark> Exactly
L376[19:04:53] <CompanionCube> isn't atom bad even by electron standards
L377[19:05:06] <! LoganDark> Node + CSS + HTML + DOM + Blink + rendering + holy shit even LÖVE would be better
L378[19:05:21] <! LoganDark> And it's supposed to be a fast text editor? LOL
L379[19:05:23] <Izaya> I kinda want to write a vi clone in Lua
L380[19:05:31] <! LoganDark> They've made vi clones in JS
L381[19:05:33] <! LoganDark> On canvas
L382[19:05:37] <! LoganDark> Better than that electron shit
L383[19:07:32] <! LoganDark> https://puu.sh/BqTQU/48f5e72c30.png So this is going to be my color collection :P
L384[19:07:47] <Izaya> apparently originally javascript was going to be a lisp-ish language but they wanted to ride the java hype train
L385[19:08:10] <! LoganDark> HERE HAVE SOME TYPE JUGGLING AND SOME PROTOTYPES AND SOME JAVA-SCHEME
L386[19:08:14] <! LoganDark> AAAAAAAAAA
L387[19:10:39] <! LoganDark> I love to hate JavaScript
L388[19:10:39] * Izaya screams
L389[19:10:47] <Izaya> Honestly they should've just taped Lua to it
L390[19:10:49] <! LoganDark> Base 1 is the best way to scream
L391[19:10:56] <! LoganDark> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....you get the idea
L392[19:16:15] <payonel> what the hell
L393[19:16:21] <payonel> logan, change your nick please
L394[19:16:34] <! LoganDark> Why?
L395[19:16:45] <! LoganDark> is it really messing you up that bad?
L396[19:16:49] <! LoganDark> all I see is this https://puu.sh/BqU6d/41e032f294.png
L397[19:17:03] <! LoganDark> Fixed
L398[19:17:09] <payonel> thank you
L399[19:17:17] <! LoganDark> Lol
L400[19:17:33] <CompanionCube> ! LoganDark it was that long
L401[19:17:49] <! LoganDark> That's not that long
L402[19:17:52] <! LoganDark> But okay
L403[19:18:09] <! LoganDark> If you're using a monospaced font then I guess I understand why you don't like it
L404[19:18:16] <payonel> not in any order, but
L405[19:18:32] <payonel> (a) i can be picky here in #oc
L406[19:18:46] <payonel> (b) discord is our 2nd class citizen, irc is first
L407[19:18:47] <AmandaC> I'm not usually one to be picky about nick length, but this is obnoxious: https://nc.ddna.co/index.php/s/2sxreqWAE8RDXdW
L408[19:19:04] <payonel> and (c) i want to help if you're having openos issues
L409[19:19:05] <! LoganDark> I get it
L410[19:19:09] <payonel> or any oc issue :)
L411[19:19:31] <payonel> so, what issue are you facing?
L412[19:19:36] <! LoganDark> And B doesn't matter to me, it doesn't matter if IRC was the 985723908457th citizen, if it messed up your monospaced font I was fine with fixing it
L413[19:19:37] <! LoganDark> And I fixed it
L414[19:19:39] <! LoganDark> So stop bugging me about it
L415[19:19:49] <! LoganDark> And I'm not facing issues, I'm just trying to have a discussion
L416[19:19:56] <payonel> what was the question?
L417[19:20:02] <! LoganDark> I didn't have on?
L418[19:20:03] <! LoganDark> I didn't have one? [Edited]
L419[19:20:05] <! LoganDark> one*
L420[19:20:44] * AmandaC checks her uploads, nods, wanders back off to halucinate more, since the new waves havn't come in yet it seems
L421[19:22:55] <AmandaC> %choose comedy or fantasy
L422[19:22:56] <MichiBot> AmandaC: The proof is in the pudding. Definitely fantasy.
L423[19:23:07] <! LoganDark> Pudding? xD
L424[19:35:55] <! LoganDark> ANSI escape codes are ugly on OC
L425[19:36:56] <! LoganDark> https://puu.sh/BqUAX/ba4cd10445.png UGLINESS
L426[19:37:50] <! LoganDark> Here's a demo of how ugly it is https://puu.sh/BqUCl/8b465928c4.png
L427[19:37:56] <! LoganDark> Well, another one
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L429[19:47:17] <! LoganDark> RIP
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L431[19:47:33] <! LoganDark> Oh hi there
L432[19:47:38] <! LoganDark> xD
L433[20:05:03] <Izaya> tfw defeated physical distance by using ssh
L434[20:05:12] <! LoganDark> ssh is nice
L435[20:08:27] <Izaya> ssh is the best tool
L436[20:08:41] <! LoganDark> and sftp
L437[20:08:52] <Izaya> I use scp more than sftp but yes
L438[20:08:52] <! LoganDark> always use sftp for file transfers
L439[20:09:17] <! LoganDark> haven't used GUI FTP in such a long time because sftp is Good Enoughâ„¢
L440[20:09:34] <Izaya> I haven't used GUI FTP except today in quite a while because scp is nice
L441[20:12:13] <Izaya> Only used it today because I don't use psftp regularly
L442[20:15:30] <gamax92> played around with sRGB conversion approximations, pow(2.2) is pretty bad
L443[20:20:58] <gamax92> here's an error graph https://imgur.com/a/Av4FbEw
L444[20:22:08] <gamax92> gnuplot is pretty nice
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L447[20:37:16] <! LoganDark> https://puu.sh/BqWhF/559cfe386a.png So I found palettes
L448[20:37:53] <! LoganDark> I do restore them afterwards https://puu.sh/BqWiq/c329e37c6f.png
L449[20:38:19] <! LoganDark> Fucking hell, puush broke agan
L450[20:38:21] <! LoganDark> again
L451[20:38:25] <! LoganDark> Fucking hell, puush broke again [Edited]
L452[20:38:30] <! LoganDark> https://puu.sh/BqWjo/a2b63af91d.png
L453[20:38:39] <! LoganDark> https://puu.sh/BqWjJ/aa969d52b8.png
L454[20:38:45] <! LoganDark> https://puu.sh/BqWjU/e4d7b04dd0.png
L455[20:38:50] <! LoganDark> There, it worked
L456[20:38:50] <! LoganDark> Finally
L457[20:42:51] <Izaya> neat
L458[20:43:22] <Izaya> considering VT100 I should do a really dumb vi clone in OC that would work out of game
L459[20:43:56] <! LoganDark> technically almost anything works out of game thanks to OCEmu... except for `more`
L460[20:44:12] <! LoganDark> https://puu.sh/BqWsW/86d4bb83f6.png
L461[20:45:25] <Izaya> >ocemu
L462[20:45:26] <Izaya> bleh
L463[20:45:27] <Izaya> well
L464[20:45:30] <Izaya> not bleh, just old
L465[20:45:33] <Izaya> give me my ocvm
L466[20:45:52] <Izaya> ocemu is great and all but can I use SGI Screen as the font?
L467[20:46:03] <! LoganDark> I would ocvm but no macOS support
L468[20:46:20] <Izaya> oh right
L469[20:46:22] <! LoganDark> And I cba to docker / actual vm / install it on a linux VPS
L470[20:46:25] <Izaya> OS X has ancient gcc
L471[20:46:32] <! LoganDark> It's not that lmao
L472[20:47:00] <! LoganDark> It's just that Apple has shit support for anything outside of xcode
L473[20:47:01] <Izaya> I wonder if macports would work on Darwin
L474[20:47:22] <Izaya> it's a well-behaved terminal program though
L475[20:47:51] <! LoganDark> well-behaved = when something goes wrong, exit code 1,111,111,111,111,111,111,111,111,111,111,111,111,111
L476[20:48:05] <Izaya> I mean ocvm
L477[20:48:10] <! LoganDark> Oh
L478[20:48:19] <Izaya> on any sane OS you just need recent gcc and gmake
L479[20:48:27] <! LoganDark> macOS is not sane
L480[20:48:32] <Izaya> exactly
L481[20:48:45] <! LoganDark> But it's POSIX-like and has a good GUI so I like it
L482[20:48:48] <Izaya> obligatory install gentoo
L483[20:49:02] <! LoganDark> I would but Apple's EFI is fucked up
L484[20:49:09] <Izaya> I'd suggest Haiku instead but a) ocvm doesn't work b) no 3D acceleration
L485[20:49:21] <! LoganDark> Haven't tried Arch yet
L486[20:49:22] <! LoganDark> But too lazy to
L487[20:49:28] <! LoganDark> I heard Arch supports mid-2015 MBP
L488[20:57:39] <Izaya> should've bought yourself a thinkpad
L489[20:57:45] <Izaya> semi unironically
L490[20:57:59] <! LoganDark> Honestly I'd prefer one of System76's laptops
L491[20:58:03] <! LoganDark> They make really powerful machines
L492[20:58:31] <! LoganDark> I don't give a flying fuck about thin and light, which is why I hate Apple's new line of shitbooks so much
L493[20:58:34] <Izaya> their stuff looks nice
L494[20:58:42] <Izaya> system76 that is
L495[20:58:42] <! LoganDark> Yeah
L496[20:58:46] <! LoganDark> Yeah
L497[20:58:50] <! LoganDark> They make really powerful machines
L498[20:58:55] <! LoganDark> They get really expensive though
L499[20:59:14] <! LoganDark> Dual 1080s and 64 GB of RAM is like... more expensive than Apple
L500[20:59:15] <! LoganDark> Sadface
L501[20:59:23] <Izaya> well that makes sense
L502[20:59:29] <! LoganDark> /s
L503[20:59:32] <Izaya> that's like $640 of RAM alone
L504[20:59:37] <Izaya> still
L505[20:59:40] <Izaya> >get T420
L506[20:59:49] <Izaya> >install linux on one SSD
L507[20:59:59] <Izaya> >install Windows or OS X on second SSD
L508[20:59:59] <! LoganDark> If I were to get a ThinkPad I'd get Louis Rossmann's, I think it's the T440P
L509[21:00:03] <Izaya> >store stuff on third SSD
L510[21:00:18] <Izaya> P50.
L511[21:00:39] <Izaya> Louis Rossman has a P50 IIRC and it's a beast
L512[21:00:48] <! LoganDark> ? ThinkPads ? are ? good ? for ? thinking ?
L513[21:00:51] <! LoganDark> /s
L514[21:00:52] <Izaya> P is the new W line and W series stuff is silly
L515[21:01:07] <Izaya> and by silly I mean excellent
L516[21:01:40] <Izaya> though expensive
L517[21:01:48] <! LoganDark> Lots of things are expensive
L518[21:01:50] <Izaya> ah well 5 years and you'll be able to get a P50 for $250
L519[21:02:06] <! LoganDark> In 5 years the P50 will be like a HP Notebook 2000
L520[21:02:11] <! LoganDark> The budget-est laptop ever
L521[21:02:18] <Izaya> still, that much power in a laptop seems eh
L522[21:02:32] <! LoganDark> I'd rather keep my laptop
L523[21:02:38] <! LoganDark> Already killed a wallet by buying this
L524[21:02:48] <Izaya> I mean, an Atom chip is trash but a Xeon in a laptop is total overkill
L525[21:02:56] <! LoganDark> Depends on the Xeon tbh
L526[21:03:12] <! LoganDark> Literally do not underestimate the Atoms
L527[21:03:22] <Izaya> That's true, E3 stuff is often just a normal i5 or i7 with ECC and shit
L528[21:03:25] <! LoganDark> My brother's 0.9Ghz 2-in-1 can run 3d games at 60FPS with the iGPU
L529[21:03:34] <Izaya> Just use the laptop to log into something more powerful though
L530[21:03:36] <Izaya> hahahaha
L531[21:03:46] <! LoganDark> GeForce NOW comes to mind
L532[21:03:47] <Izaya> my 1.6Ghz Atom shitbook I have on my desk can't run anything
L533[21:03:51] <Izaya> actually, I lie
L534[21:04:01] <Izaya> it can run System Shock 2 wonderfully under Windows XP
L535[21:04:05] <! LoganDark> LOL
L536[21:04:14] <! LoganDark> GJ
L537[21:04:14] <Izaya> but I have Haiku on it instead
L538[21:04:34] <Izaya> but nah not even a paid streaming service or anything
L539[21:04:46] <Izaya> $200 used laptop, use the rest of the money on a decent desktop
L540[21:05:04] <Izaya> that's how I like it
L541[21:05:05] <! LoganDark> I'm fine with what I have
L542[21:05:07] <! LoganDark> I can CPU mine crypto
L543[21:05:09] <! LoganDark> It's nice
L544[21:05:17] <Izaya> Everyone to their own.
L545[21:05:18] <! LoganDark> Not Bitcoin, but easier cryptocurrencies are fine
L546[21:05:36] <! LoganDark> I can't GPU mine because Apple crippled OpenCL
L547[21:05:56] <Izaya> kek right
L548[21:06:01] <! LoganDark> And this laptop's EFI is so screwed up I've never been able to get any linux whatsoever to boot past the kernel
L549[21:06:06] <Izaya> at least you have Vulkan, even if it's slower than loonix
L550[21:06:23] <Izaya> ... you do have vulkan, right?
L551[21:06:32] <! LoganDark> No idea what it is
L552[21:06:46] <Izaya> The replacement for both OpenGL and OpenCL
L553[21:07:27] <Izaya> works on p much any platform assuming the hardware is relatively recent
L554[21:07:48] <Izaya> if my laptop was ivy bridge rather than sandy bridge it'd have vulkan but 2520m so RIP
L555[21:07:50] <! LoganDark> I'm never getting any Mac more recent than this unless it's a really powerful desktop
L556[21:07:59] <! LoganDark> Because Apple's gone to shit
L557[21:08:04] <! LoganDark> Apple's laptops are so pathetic
L558[21:08:11] <Izaya> yeah it really went downhill after they switched from PowerPC
L559[21:08:25] <! LoganDark> The pro line is basically "a better macbook" now
L560[21:08:28] <! LoganDark> It's not for professions
L561[21:08:32] <! LoganDark> professionals
L562[21:08:32] <! LoganDark> It's not for professionals [Edited]
L563[21:08:39] <! LoganDark> It's just a marketing term
L564[21:08:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya: apple doesn't have native vulkan
L565[21:08:52] <Izaya> Really?
L566[21:08:55] <CompanionCube> realyl.
L567[21:08:56] <Izaya> Huh.
L568[21:08:57] <! LoganDark> What a joke
L569[21:09:09] <! LoganDark> Apple has Metal
L570[21:09:10] <CompanionCube> what apple does have is their proprietary metal shit
L571[21:09:15] <! LoganDark> Yes
L572[21:09:17] <CompanionCube> and their not-so-great OpenGL implementation
L573[21:09:28] <Izaya> which nobody gives a shit about, and which sucks, respectively
L574[21:09:40] <gamax92> Izaya: gimme a link to sgi screen and I'll make it happen
L575[21:09:42] <! LoganDark> I wish everyone would get together and make something that DOESN'T JUST WORK ON WINDOWS
L576[21:09:49] <! LoganDark> BECAUSE WINDOWS IS SHIT
L577[21:09:52] <CompanionCube> (oh, and the opengl implementation has the chance to disappear because apple is deprecating it)
L578[21:09:58] <! LoganDark> It doesn;t
L579[21:09:59] <! LoganDark> It doesn't [Edited]
L580[21:10:00] <Izaya> loonix gets 3x the OpenGL perf on the same hardware
L581[21:10:02] <! LoganDark> It can't disappear
L582[21:10:09] <! LoganDark> They need OpenGL for safe mode where graphics acceleration is nil
L583[21:10:13] <Izaya> It's depreceated and will be removed in future.
L584[21:10:15] <gamax92> but not now though cause schedule is limited and I need to do some stuff atm
L585[21:10:16] <! LoganDark> No
L586[21:10:27] <! LoganDark> I'm running Mojave and can confirm OpenGL still exists
L587[21:10:34] <! LoganDark> They NEED it for Safe Mode
L588[21:10:37] <! LoganDark> Where the GPU is disabled
L589[21:10:42] <CompanionCube> it still exists *now*
L590[21:10:44] <! LoganDark> They still have software rendering
L591[21:11:09] <CompanionCube> somehow i doubt the GPU is disabled
L592[21:11:09] <! LoganDark> Tell me how the fuck they're gonna render the GUI in Safe Mode if software rendering is going to be taken away?
L593[21:11:12] <Izaya> gamax92: I'll throw them at you later
L594[21:11:23] <! LoganDark> The dedicated GPU is
L595[21:11:28] <! LoganDark> Not the integrated one
L596[21:11:41] <! LoganDark> And they use software rendering anyway
L597[21:11:44] <CompanionCube> don't need opengl for software rendering
L598[21:11:44] <Izaya> Don't need OpenGL for VESA mode
L599[21:12:04] <CompanionCube> Izaya: or the EFI framebuffer
L600[21:12:12] <CompanionCube> (given VESA mode's a BIOS thing)
L601[21:12:21] <Izaya> oh, right
L602[21:12:54] <CompanionCube> additionally, one can get rid of opengl without touching the kernel
L603[21:12:55] <Izaya> https://www.anandtech.com/show/12894/apple-deprecates-opengl-across-all-oses
L604[21:13:14] <Izaya> on the upside, OpenGL on Vulkan isn't hard
L605[21:13:17] <Izaya> oh wait.
L606[21:13:28] <CompanionCube> Izaya: vulkan for macos is available
L607[21:13:30] <CompanionCube> lookup moltenvk
L608[21:13:55] <CompanionCube> is it native? nope. does it work? yes.
L609[21:15:18] <Izaya> Nice.
L610[21:15:26] <Izaya> OpenGL will require 3 layers of translation.
L611[21:15:38] <Izaya> That's even better than DX11 via Vulkan
L612[21:16:23] <CompanionCube> lol
L613[21:16:33] <CompanionCube> apparently moltengl is a thing
L614[21:16:37] <CompanionCube> but it's commercial
L615[21:16:42] <CompanionCube> ...and for opengl es 2.0
L616[21:18:50] <! LoganDark> Lua being inclusive is pissing me off so hard because I have to do all sorts of math with +/- 1 and spend 10 minutes thinking to figure out what comparisons I should use for indexes
L617[21:19:01] <! LoganDark> Lua being inclusive is pissing me off so hard because I have to do all sorts of math with +/- 1 and spend 10 minutes thinking to figure out what comparisons I should use for indices [Edited]
L618[21:19:12] <gamax92> k
L619[21:22:54] * CompanionCube feels bad for the people who use opengl on macos because cross-platform
L620[21:43:43] <AmandaC> Izaya: that move surprises me exactly 0. They've still been running opengl 3.0 on macos, I believe. They clearly stopped caring the instant they created their own "alternative"
L621[21:48:08] <AmandaC> Anyway, sleep I guess, having finished my hallucinations for now and caught up on the dumpster fire that is the world. Night nerds
L622[22:11:01] <Izaya> can't have anything cross-platform
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L624[22:20:40] <! LoganDark> Oh wow
L625[22:20:41] <! LoganDark> Nice name
L626[22:20:42] <! LoganDark> xD
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L628[22:24:57] <payonel> logan: i see in your more.lua stack trace error that you are using an old version of oc
L629[22:25:14] <! LoganDark> Yeah OCEmu hasn't been updated in a while
L630[22:25:23] <! LoganDark> Last commit: half a year ago
L631[22:25:44] <payonel> well, oc being separate, you can update oc without touching ocemu
L632[22:25:53] <! LoganDark> I can't update the emulation layer
L633[22:25:59] <payonel> you dont need to
L634[22:26:02] <! LoganDark> Stuff like components, etc. are OCEmu's job to emulate
L635[22:26:22] <payonel> i'm saying your openos installation is old, and you can update that separately
L636[22:26:52] <! LoganDark> That has nothing to do with anything
L637[22:26:56] <! LoganDark> I have no need for `less` anyway
L638[22:27:02] <! LoganDark> Stop trying to help
L639[22:27:14] <payonel> then stop pasting stack traces?
L640[22:27:32] <! LoganDark> You know I pasted that 2 hours ago right
L641[22:27:35] <payonel> anyways, if you'd like me to not help, that is fine
L642[22:27:43] <payonel> i check history when i return
L643[22:27:52] <! LoganDark> You don't have to scroll back 2 hours and offer me help on something I never asked for help on
L644[22:27:56] <payonel> also, i'm the oc dev, so i tend to look for issues people report
L645[22:28:09] <! LoganDark> That's fine
L646[22:28:10] <payonel> i always scroll history when i return
L647[22:28:17] <payonel> i dont check time stamps
L648[22:28:20] <! LoganDark> I ask for help when I need it, I don't need it right now
L649[22:28:26] <! LoganDark> So please stop
L650[22:29:19] <Izaya> "I don't want a solution, I want to be mad!" as the comic goes
L651[22:29:23] <payonel> i find you unusually contentious and defenisve
L652[22:29:41] <! LoganDark> I don't care what you find me, you're entitled to your opinion
L653[22:30:54] <! LoganDark> I'm defensive when people try to give me help I don't need. I'm fine with the way things are, I'm not going to update OpenOS just for `less`
L654[22:32:05] <payonel> sounds like a misunderstanding of good intentions and the very point of this channel
L655[22:32:23] <! LoganDark> I don't need help for something I casually mentioned 2 hours ago
L656[22:32:29] <! LoganDark> Ty but nty
L657[22:32:37] <! LoganDark> I'll ask for help here when I need it
L658[22:34:43] <! LoganDark> I get that you want to help, I just don't need help right now.
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L661[22:46:31] <Kodos> Logan, don't be rude. Only warning
L662[22:47:03] <Kodos> He was trying to be helpful, you need only say you don't need help and leave it at that.
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L671[23:58:21] <Gaelan> anyone know of a way to edit code with an external (i.e. out of game) text editor?
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