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move to the next line
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<Wuerfel_21>
And i guess you should parse the **text formatting**
<Wuerfel_21>
And i guess you should parse the **text formatting**L5[00:05:07] <Izaya> it's a nice idea but
there isn't much option for that except inverted text
L6[00:05:19] <Wuerfel_21>
Brighter text
<Wuerfel_21>
Brighter textL7[00:05:37] <Izaya> OC doesn't have a
whiter colour than 0xFFFFFF
L8[00:05:38] <Wuerfel_21>
Thats how most old stuff "bold"s text
<Wuerfel_21>
Thats how most old stuff "bold"s textL9[00:06:02] <Wuerfel_21>
Mkae the default color not pure white then
<Wuerfel_21>
Mkae the default color not pure white thenL10[00:06:14] <Izaya> what about T1
screens?
L11[00:06:34] <Wuerfel_21>
Hmmm
<Wuerfel_21>
HmmmL12[00:06:40] <Izaya> reverse text for
italics is the way to go for that but iunno
L13[00:06:54] <Izaya> eventually titles
will be ｗｉｄｅ ｔｅｘｔ
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L20[03:00:29] <0StormBreaker0> What is a bootable
medium?
<0StormBreaker0> What is a bootable
medium?L21[03:00:45] <0StormBreaker0> My computer wont start
because i need one
<0StormBreaker0> My computer wont start
because i need oneL23[03:02:11] <Juan> You
need a floppy disk
<Juan> You
need a floppy diskL24[03:02:36] <Juan> With
either OpenOs or Plan9k
<Juan> With
either OpenOs or Plan9kL25[03:03:34] <Juan> You
boot from that and then type ``install`` to copy it to your hard
drive
<Juan> You
boot from that and then type ``install`` to copy it to your hard
driveL26[03:03:55] <Juan> Kind
of like installing Windows
<Juan> Kind
of like installing WindowsL27[03:06:48] <0StormBreaker0> ahh ok thanks
<0StormBreaker0> ahh ok thanksL28[03:07:18] ⇨
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L31[03:31:25] <0StormBreaker0> Wait, how do i install
OpenOS to a tablet?
<0StormBreaker0> Wait, how do i install
OpenOS to a tablet?L32[03:31:52] <0StormBreaker0> Is it the same way?
<0StormBreaker0> Is it the same way?L33[03:46:53] <0StormBreaker0> nvm
<0StormBreaker0> nvmL34[03:47:04] <0StormBreaker0> i had to shift click once
adding a disk drive to it
<0StormBreaker0> i had to shift click once
adding a disk drive to itL35[04:14:23] <0StormBreaker0> How do I activate
nanomachines after eating them?
<0StormBreaker0> How do I activate
nanomachines after eating them?L36[04:15:53] <0StormBreaker0> I ate one and tried to
activate them to give me effects but it didn’t work. It said “file
not found” when I typed “nn on 2” for speed
<0StormBreaker0> I ate one and tried to
activate them to give me effects but it didn’t work. It said “file
not found” when I typed “nn on 2” for speedL37[04:16:21] <0StormBreaker0> I’m not sure if I also
have to install oppm and oppm nn on the tablet as well
<0StormBreaker0> I’m not sure if I also
have to install oppm and oppm nn on the tablet as wellL38[04:16:52] <0StormBreaker0> But I’m starting to think
that that is the problem, I’ll try tomorrow
<0StormBreaker0> But I’m starting to think
that that is the problem, I’ll try tomorrowL39[04:17:15] <fingercomp> you have to
install that program before you can use it
L40[04:25:52] <0StormBreaker0> I installed it on my pc
but didn’t realize I had to install it on my tablet
<0StormBreaker0> I installed it on my pc
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L47[06:10:06] <Kodos> ?
Koko died
<Kodos> ?
Koko diedL48[06:13:59] <MGR>
Who?
<MGR>
Who?L49[06:18:14] ⇦
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L52[06:35:37] <Wattana> hi
L53[06:35:51] <Izaya> Hi
L54[06:35:55] <MGR>
Hello
<MGR>
HelloL55[06:40:14] <Wattana> hey who have
problem with MineOS?
L56[06:40:30] <Wattana> it ran out of ram
so many times
L57[06:40:44] <MGR> You
may need to insert additional RAM into the computer
<MGR> You
may need to insert additional RAM into the computerL58[06:40:50] <MGR> I have
heard it consumes a lot of RAM
<MGR> I have
heard it consumes a lot of RAML59[06:41:22] <Wattana> two 3.5 ram. still
use around 70-85 when idling
L60[06:41:45] <MGR> That's
a function of the OS unfortunately
<MGR> That's
a function of the OS unfortunatelyL61[06:41:50] <MGR> You
may want to contact them for support
<MGR> You
may want to contact them for supportL62[06:48:39] <Izaya> consider also
KittenOS NEO, it uses much less memory and provides a GUI
L63[06:50:06] <MGR>
^
<MGR>
^L64[06:55:13] <Wuerfel_21>
disable wallpaper
<Wuerfel_21>
disable wallpaperL65[06:55:31] <Wuerfel_21>
and transparency
<Wuerfel_21>
and transparencyL66[06:55:44] <Wuerfel_21>
that makes it like twice as fast
<Wuerfel_21>
that makes it like twice as fastL67[07:10:44] <Wattana> wow that actually
worked
L68[07:11:07] <Izaya> unsurprising
L69[07:11:15] <Izaya> bitmap images use
lots of memory
L70[07:12:07] <Wattana> mineos use bitmap?
i mean real bitmap
L71[07:14:15] <Izaya> Probably not the same
format as normal bitmap images but same concept
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L73[07:53:39] <Kodos> @MGR
Koko the gorilla, she's the one who used sign language and hung out
with Robin Williams
<Kodos> @MGR
Koko the gorilla, she's the one who used sign language and hung out
with Robin WilliamsL74[07:54:07] <MGR> ? I
don't recall her, but it's unfortunate that she died
<MGR> ? I
don't recall her, but it's unfortunate that she diedL75[08:07:25] <AmandaC> She's the one that
we learned they do/don't understand death from, isn't it?
L76[08:07:32] <AmandaC> ( I forget which it
was )
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L78[08:18:02] <Kodos> I
believe you're referring to when she was told about Robin Williams
dying
<Kodos> I
believe you're referring to when she was told about Robin Williams
dyingL79[08:18:07] <Kodos> Or
her cat
<Kodos> Or
her catL80[08:18:10] <Kodos> I
don't remember which
<Kodos> I
don't remember whichL81[08:18:20] <AmandaC> I think it was her
baby, which was born stillborn
L82[08:18:28] <Kodos> That
might've been it
<Kodos> That
might've been itL83[08:30:50] <AmandaC> I forget where I
got it from, but I remember reading / hearing somewhere once they
took the baby away for post-paretm care, and discovered it was
stillborn, the handler saw her sign "Baby where?" and
when the handler tried to reply, she didn't seem to understand and
kept signing "baby where!?" more and more aggressively,
the cat was a therapy-type thing after she fell into a
depression
L84[08:32:03] <AmandaC> Eventually she
started using the sign for "baby" for the cat, too
L85[08:33:29] <AmandaC> It was very sad to
read, which is probably why I remember it
L86[08:35:59] <AmandaC> read/watch because
the moreIthink of it the more I think it might have been an animal
planet / discovery documentry before they pulled an MTV
L87[08:39:30] <Mimiru> animal planet...
because people are animals too.
L88[08:39:58] <FLORANA>
what happened to IRC?
<FLORANA>
what happened to IRC?L89[08:40:04] <Izaya> nothing?
L90[08:40:12] <Mimiru> ^
L91[08:40:15] <Izaya> IRC is the only
constant in the world of technology
L92[08:40:16] <MGR> The
bridge is still up
<MGR> The
bridge is still upL93[08:40:19] <Izaya> (that and greed, I
s'pose)
L94[08:41:06] <Wuerfel_21>
IRC is gud
<Wuerfel_21>
IRC is gudL95[08:41:24] <Wuerfel_21>
But a PITA on unstable connections
<Wuerfel_21>
But a PITA on unstable connectionsL96[08:41:26] <FLORANA>
when did we use webhooks for diffent users?
<FLORANA>
when did we use webhooks for diffent users?L97[08:41:35] <Izaya> I kinda want to dig
out my C64 and get an IRC client working on there
L98[08:41:40] <Mimiru> I did that a while
ago
L99[08:41:54] <FLORANA>
huh... i mean i gess you can tell it's from IRC cuz of the [BOT]
tag
<FLORANA>
huh... i mean i gess you can tell it's from IRC cuz of the [BOT]
tagL100[08:42:46] <Izaya> now if someone has
a weechat filter that can make discord users look like IRC users
but have a prefix I'd appreciate it
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L102[08:43:03] <MGR>
Yup
<MGR>
YupL103[08:43:03] <MGR> Corded
now changes nicks and icon for each IRC users
<MGR> Corded
now changes nicks and icon for each IRC usersL104[08:43:21] <Mimiru> and IRC users can
upload their own avatars
L105[08:43:21] <Skye> Izaya, I have that,
dunno what it was called lol
L106[08:43:33] <FLORANA>
enyway... i know this is a lua server but have enyone used a C
graphics libary
<FLORANA>
enyway... i know this is a lua server but have enyone used a C
graphics libaryL107[08:44:43] <Izaya> /trigger add
relaybot modifier weechat_print "${tg_tag_host} ==
~bot@botmask" "/.*<([^>]+)>
(.*)/${re:1}\t${re:2}/"
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L109[08:45:34] <Mimiru> hmm.. I just
noticed Corded uses the same ident as MichiBot.. lol
L110[08:46:54] <Izaya> aight someone say
something from discord
L111[08:47:06] <Mimiru>
Something from discord
<Mimiru>
Something from discordL112[08:47:09] <Izaya> fug
L113[08:47:33] <Izaya> again?
L114[08:47:35] <Wuerfel_21>
`enyway... i know this is a lua server but have enyone used a C
graphics libary` Allegro 4 ftw
<Wuerfel_21>
`enyway... i know this is a lua server but have enyone used a C
graphics libary` Allegro 4 ftwL115[08:47:38] <Izaya> nope
L116[08:47:41] <Izaya> damn
L117[08:47:49] <FLORANA>
?
<FLORANA>
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L119[08:48:32] *
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L120[08:49:03] *
Mimiru sighs
L121[08:49:20] <Mimiru> It's been
thundering and acting like it was going to rain ALL fucking night,
since like 8 PM yesterday
L122[08:49:31] <Mimiru> it starts raining
30 minutes before I have to leave for fuckin work.
L123[08:50:15] <Mimiru> I also slept in
the most uncomfortable recliner known to man.
L124[08:50:30] <MGR> Did it
have spikers on it?
<MGR> Did it
have spikers on it?L125[08:50:31] <Mimiru> Existence is
pain.
L126[08:50:33] <MGR>
Spiders+Spikes
<MGR>
Spiders+SpikesL127[08:50:49] <Izaya> woo, replacement
works
L128[08:50:52] <Mimiru> probably
L129[08:51:02] <Izaya> alright, Discord
users are now prefixed with %
L130[08:51:13] <Izaya> which I think
normally means halfop but we don't use them here
L131[08:51:29] <Mimiru> I used ^ heh
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L133[08:51:50] <MGR>
Spikers are the worst
<MGR>
Spikers are the worstL134[08:52:27] <Mimiru> Restarting
Corded
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L138[08:52:51] <Mimiru> Well.. that did
nothing so YAY
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L142[09:40:43] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L143[09:40:43] *
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gained!
L144[09:46:30] <Izaya> https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/004/589/215/original/d021e52fedd83f43.jpg
L145[09:47:11] <Inari> Izaya: Once theres
a better alternative, people will
L146[09:47:12] <Inari> :D
L147[09:47:20] <Izaya> There is
though.
L148[09:47:24] <Izaya> Literally anything
else.
L149[09:47:32] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/eXpkwBL butt
controls!
L150[09:47:36] <Izaya> Use Visual Basic if
you must.
L151[09:48:09] <Inari> Izaya: But they are
worse. VB isn't portable for example. You ahve to use soem gimpy
program to even develop with it. And then you have to click Start
and wait for it to compile
L152[09:51:21] <Wuerfel_21>
Java swing is pretty good for making simple and portable GUI
software, i think
<Wuerfel_21>
Java swing is pretty good for making simple and portable GUI
software, i thinkL153[09:51:41] <Inari> Can it run in a web
browseR?
L154[09:52:22] <Inari> Plus dunno, so far
I've seen nothing that lets you make UIs as nicely and easily as
webdev does. All those UI editors feel clunky and restrictive
L155[09:52:50] <Izaya> HTML/CSS is
hell
L156[09:53:45] <Wuerfel_21>
Can it run in a web browseR?
<Wuerfel_21>
Can it run in a web browseR?L157[09:53:45] <Wuerfel_21>
actually, yes.
<Wuerfel_21>
actually, yes.L158[09:54:53] <Wuerfel_21>
I usuallly use a combination of the eclipse windowbuilder plugin
and manually editing the source
<Wuerfel_21>
I usuallly use a combination of the eclipse windowbuilder plugin
and manually editing the sourceL159[09:55:06] <Wuerfel_21>
GridBagLayout 4laifu
<Wuerfel_21>
GridBagLayout 4laifuL160[09:57:29] <Inari> As a normal webpage
or as a java plugin thingy? XD
L161[09:57:43] <Inari> Izaya: I dunno, I
like it
L162[09:57:45] <Inari> Quick, easy,
flexible
L163[09:57:53] <Izaya> impossible to get
right
L164[09:58:02] <Izaya> it's like writing a
document in word - it's always close but never quite right
L165[09:58:46] <Inari> I mean, every now
and hten you run into an issue thats harder to do than it should
be. But then again, thats a lot better than other UI stuff I
tried
L166[09:58:53] <Inari> Usually hte answer
is "This can be done if you do thisa nd that"
L167[09:59:10] <Inari> Not "This
can't be done because this UI isn't programmed for it. If you want
it you'll have to make a control and draw it yourself"
L168[10:03:09] <Skye> Izaya, ironically a
geko engine based thing would be better as that blends in
better
L169[10:03:45] <Izaya> I'll take whatever
if it uses 10% of the memory and I can force it to use native
controls
L170[10:03:57] <Izaya> programs should
respect the user settings
L171[10:04:09] <Izaya> also 1% of the CPU
time
L172[10:04:13] <Izaya> that'd be
nice
L173[10:04:28] <Izaya> but I think to
achieve that you'd have to drop running a web browser for your
3-line javascript project
L174[10:05:28] <Skye> Izaya, well Gecko
uses less memory and uses native controls
L175[10:05:39] <Izaya> and less CPU
time?
L176[10:06:00] <Izaya> (and it will make
pages blend with my gtk/qt theme?)
L177[10:06:03] <Skye> sadly https://mykzilla.org/2017/03/08/positron-discontinued/
it was discontinued
L178[10:06:51] <Izaya> oh shit XULRunner
is kill now too?
L179[10:07:15] <Skye> yep
L180[10:07:31] <Izaya> I wonder what
became of Chatzilla
L181[10:07:32] <Skye> Izaya, https://mykzilla.org/2017/03/08/positron-discontinued/#comment-946
L182[10:07:45] <Izaya> good luck
implementing an IRC client as a Chrome addon for Firefox
L183[10:07:46] <Skye> you can still run
"apps" in firefox
L184[10:09:00] <Skye> Izaya, there are
ways to do it from what I can tell bascially
L185[10:09:03] <Izaya> not XUL stuff
though I assume
L186[10:09:08] <Izaya> maybe via
waterfox
L187[10:09:55] <Skye> Izaya, I think they
still have some XUL code there for now
L188[10:10:07] <Skye> maybe not as
extensions
L189[10:10:40] <Izaya> how useful /s
L190[10:10:46] <Izaya> why doesn't mozilla
just pack it up already
L191[10:10:50] <Izaya> go work for
google
L192[10:11:00] <Izaya> it's blatantly
obvious they want to be working on chrome
L193[10:11:25] <Skye> Izaya, I'd rather a
crippled firefox than only chrome
L194[10:11:35] <Skye> also google is
notoriously hard to get in to lol
L195[10:11:41] <Skye> and firefox is still
better than chrome
L196[10:11:50] <Izaya> I mean
L197[10:12:02] <Izaya> firefox does have
the advantage that you can move around parts of the UI I
guess.
L198[10:12:12] <Izaya> Wonder how long
that will last.
L199[10:12:46] <Skye> Izaya, hopefully
forever
L200[10:13:07] *
Izaya shrugs
L201[10:13:49] <Izaya> Skye: https://my.mixtape.moe/gequji.webm
L202[10:14:42] <Izaya> tomorrow ima add a
scroll bar and such I think
L203[10:14:59] <Skye> shiny
L204[10:15:07] <Skye> any caret
browsing?
L205[10:15:14] <Izaya> not yet
L206[10:15:23] <Izaya> the plan is to do
luakit/qutebrowser style hinting
L207[10:15:55] <Izaya> so you can do f and
type a number and follow that link
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L210[10:18:06] <Izaya> scroll bar should
be simple enough
L211[10:18:51] <Izaya> draw full block
characters from ((top line/page height)*screen height) to ((bottom
line/page height)*screen height)
L212[10:20:06] <Wuerfel_21>
blocks come in 1/8 steps though
<Wuerfel_21>
blocks come in 1/8 steps thoughL213[10:20:32] <Izaya> I guess I could do
that
L214[10:22:14] <Izaya> So on OpenOS I'll
have to apply VT100 magic. On KOS NEO, I'll have to draw 24 single
character text thinfs
L215[10:22:19] <Izaya> Things*
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L217[10:23:08] <Wuerfel_21>
doesn't openOS have a thing where you can have
"windows"
<Wuerfel_21>
doesn't openOS have a thing where you can have
"windows"L218[10:23:22] <Skye> Izaya, you should
make a text terminal for kittenos
L219[10:23:47] <Izaya> Skye: 20kdc is/was
going to do that
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L221[10:24:43] <Wattana> Guys i have an
idea to make a text editor for mineos other than minecode
L222[10:25:27] <Wuerfel_21>
~~thre is edit though~~
<Wuerfel_21>
~~thre is edit though~~L223[10:25:34] <Skye> mineos, that's an
old thing... :P
L224[10:25:43] <Skye> the new hotness is
KittenOS NEO
L225[10:26:35] <Izaya> ^
L226[10:27:07] <Lizzian>
random question, does anyone use any of the following
web-browsers/libraries/Operating Systems here?
<Lizzian>
random question, does anyone use any of the following
web-browsers/libraries/Operating Systems here?L227[10:27:07] <Lizzian>
`Android 4.3 and below`, `IE7 (on vista) & IE 8-10 (W7)` `Java
7u25`, `OpenSSL 0.9.8y` &`Safari 5.1.19 (OS X 10.6.8), 6.0.4
(OS X 10.8.4)`
<Lizzian>
`Android 4.3 and below`, `IE7 (on vista) & IE 8-10 (W7)` `Java
7u25`, `OpenSSL 0.9.8y` &`Safari 5.1.19 (OS X 10.6.8), 6.0.4
(OS X 10.8.4)`L228[10:27:31] <Wuerfel_21>
no
<Wuerfel_21>
noL229[10:27:40] <Wattana> But MineOS is
still being updated
L230[10:27:54] <Wattana> the interface
changed from the last time i use it.
L231[10:28:31] <Izaya> Uuuh, not those
specifically. I have a PPC Mac with 10
L232[10:28:37] <Izaya> 10.4
somewhere
L233[10:29:02] <MGR> I have
IE 11 on Windows 7
<MGR> I have
IE 11 on Windows 7L234[10:29:15] <Lizzian> do
you use it to browse the forums?
<Lizzian> do
you use it to browse the forums?L235[10:29:26] <Izaya> Nope :D
L236[10:29:29] <MGR> No,
but I can use it if you need me to check/test something
<MGR> No,
but I can use it if you need me to check/test somethingL237[10:30:34] <Lizzian>
nope, I just want to disable TLS 1.0 on my web server, and the
browsers above only support that version. I still need to pool
through the logs though to see what people connect with
<Lizzian>
nope, I just want to disable TLS 1.0 on my web server, and the
browsers above only support that version. I still need to pool
through the logs though to see what people connect withL238[10:30:53] <Lizzian>
also, IE11 on Win7 Supports TLS 1.2 so that'll be fine still
<Lizzian>
also, IE11 on Win7 Supports TLS 1.2 so that'll be fine stillL239[10:31:04] <MGR> Ah
ok
<MGR> Ah
okL240[10:31:17] <Wuerfel_21>
as long as plain HTTP is available, go nuts with the encryption i'd
say
<Wuerfel_21>
as long as plain HTTP is available, go nuts with the encryption i'd
sayL241[10:31:27] <Lizzian>
plain http is not available
<Lizzian>
plain http is not availableL242[10:31:33] <Wuerfel_21>
succ
<Wuerfel_21>
succL243[10:31:33] <Lizzian>
and it has not been for some time on my servbers
<Lizzian>
and it has not been for some time on my servbersL244[10:31:47] <Lizzian>
anything going to http get's 301'd to https
<Lizzian>
anything going to http get's 301'd to httpsL245[10:31:56] <Wuerfel_21>
that suxks though
<Wuerfel_21>
that suxks thoughL246[10:32:00] <Lizzian>
how so?
<Lizzian>
how so?L247[10:32:11] <Wuerfel_21>
old browsers can't even look at the page
<Wuerfel_21>
old browsers can't even look at the pageL248[10:32:24] <Wuerfel_21>
or you get a million invalid certificate errors to click
through
<Wuerfel_21>
or you get a million invalid certificate errors to click
throughL249[10:32:40] <Lizzian>
what ancient browsers are you using that don't support any
encryption
<Lizzian>
what ancient browsers are you using that don't support any
encryptionL250[10:32:43] <Lizzian>
what ancient browsers are you using that don't support any
encryption? [Edited]
<Lizzian>
what ancient browsers are you using that don't support any
encryption? [Edited]L251[10:32:54] <Wuerfel_21>
for posting/logging in, you need encryption
<Wuerfel_21>
for posting/logging in, you need encryptionL252[10:32:57] <Izaya> Unless you expect
to be serving machines running OSes 20 years old, such as ATMs,
don't worry
L253[10:33:11] <Izaya> No reason not to
use SSL/TLS
L254[10:33:18] <Wuerfel_21>
but for just looking at shiz, it is kindof superflous
<Wuerfel_21>
but for just looking at shiz, it is kindof superflousL255[10:33:57] <Lizzian>
well, it's been that way for at least a year now, and i've had no
complaints so far
<Lizzian>
well, it's been that way for at least a year now, and i've had no
complaints so farL256[10:34:30] <Wuerfel_21>
well, its just something i am personally annoyed with. prob noone
else cared
<Wuerfel_21>
well, its just something i am personally annoyed with. prob noone
else caredL257[10:34:31] <Wuerfel_21>
well, its just something i am personally annoyed with. prob noone
else cares [Edited]
<Wuerfel_21>
well, its just something i am personally annoyed with. prob noone
else cares [Edited]L258[10:34:34] <Skye> HTTPS is needed if
there is any login mechanism
L259[10:34:38] <Izaya> When's the last
time you used a web browser without encryption?
L260[10:34:47] <Skye> like if it was a
read only site then fine
L261[10:34:49] <Wuerfel_21>
`HTTPS is needed if there is any login mechanism` yes
<Wuerfel_21>
`HTTPS is needed if there is any login mechanism` yesL262[10:35:00] <Skye> but the forums have
a login mecanism
L263[10:35:06] <Lizzian>
^
<Lizzian>
^L264[10:35:10] <Wuerfel_21>
just make that redirect to https
<Wuerfel_21>
just make that redirect to httpsL265[10:35:18] <Skye> and I have a feeling
that logging people out if they try to connect over HTTP would be
worse in some ways
L266[10:35:26] <Lizzian>
mixed security is a pain to deal with
<Lizzian>
mixed security is a pain to deal withL267[10:35:41] <Skye> you don't understand
you need to encrypt the entire site if you have login, as login
cookies need to be protected
L268[10:35:43] <Izaya> I'm not arguing
that it's not strictly necessary for just reading but there's no
reason not to use encryption when available
L269[10:35:48] <Wuerfel_21>
not loading http stuff on https pages is the most sucky shit ever
to be implemented
<Wuerfel_21>
not loading http stuff on https pages is the most sucky shit ever
to be implementedL270[10:36:02] <Lizzian>
why?
<Lizzian>
why?L271[10:36:19] <Lizzian>
it's not exactly secure if you can load scripts from unsecure
locations
<Lizzian>
it's not exactly secure if you can load scripts from unsecure
locationsL272[10:36:20] <Izaya> And it's available
on everything since 2000 so
L273[10:37:11] <Lizzian>
For reference (I hope the image gets linked over to IRC), here is
the ssl labs test results for the **current** ssl settings http://tinyurl.com/yaey6uly
<Lizzian>
For reference (I hope the image gets linked over to IRC), here is
the ssl labs test results for the **current** ssl settings http://tinyurl.com/yaey6ulyL274[10:37:21] <Wuerfel_21>
`I'm not arguing that it's not strictly necessary for just reading
but there's no reason not to use encryption when available` i
agree
<Wuerfel_21>
`I'm not arguing that it's not strictly necessary for just reading
but there's no reason not to use encryption when available` i
agreeL275[10:38:19] <Wuerfel_21>
try wsiting encrypted websites on a browser that didn't get updates
for a while.
<Wuerfel_21>
try wsiting encrypted websites on a browser that didn't get updates
for a while.L276[10:38:39] <Wuerfel_21>
works, but you get the aforementioned invalid certificate
errors
<Wuerfel_21>
works, but you get the aforementioned invalid certificate
errorsL277[10:38:44] <Wuerfel_21>
a lot of them
<Wuerfel_21>
a lot of themL278[10:38:46] <Lizzian>
that's a user problem
<Lizzian>
that's a user problemL279[10:38:46] *
Izaya shrugs
L280[10:38:48] <Lizzian>
not mine
<Lizzian>
not mineL281[10:38:58] <Lizzian>
it's not my fault if you can't keep your shit updated
<Lizzian>
it's not my fault if you can't keep your shit updatedL282[10:38:59] <Wuerfel_21>
particualry bad example: try the wii browser
<Wuerfel_21>
particualry bad example: try the wii browserL283[10:39:01] <Skye> the thing is, forums
have to have HTTPS everywhere as if the authentication cookie was
sent over HTTP someone would be able to login as you
L284[10:39:08] <Inari> Try visiting any
page in a Win 3.1 browser
L285[10:39:08] <Inari> :|
L286[10:39:12] <Izaya> Browsers are the
largest attack surface on your machine, keep it up to date
L287[10:39:42] <MGR> Why
would you use the Wii browser for OC forums?
<MGR> Why
would you use the Wii browser for OC forums?L288[10:39:57] <Lizzian>
why would you use the Wii browser at all?
<Lizzian>
why would you use the Wii browser at all?L289[10:40:01] <Wuerfel_21>
`Browsers are the largest attack surface on your machine, keep it
up to date` haha not on the wii. everything is ana ttack surface
there
<Wuerfel_21>
`Browsers are the largest attack surface on your machine, keep it
up to date` haha not on the wii. everything is ana ttack surface
thereL290[10:40:28] <Wuerfel_21>
because why not
<Wuerfel_21>
because why notL291[10:41:00] <MGR> That's
not exactly a use case you would expect at all for the OC
forums
<MGR> That's
not exactly a use case you would expect at all for the OC
forumsL292[10:41:12] <Wuerfel_21>
or try the contiki c64 browser ?
<Wuerfel_21>
or try the contiki c64 browser ?L293[10:41:16] <MGR> It's
not a reasonable objection requiring an accomodation
<MGR> It's
not a reasonable objection requiring an accomodationL294[10:41:30] <Lizzian>
also, even ***if*** i wanted to disable https-only nature of my web
server, anyone who wanted to go to any of the sites i serve (over a
http connection) would need to clear their HSTS cache or wait a
year for it to expire
<Lizzian>
also, even ***if*** i wanted to disable https-only nature of my web
server, anyone who wanted to go to any of the sites i serve (over a
http connection) would need to clear their HSTS cache or wait a
year for it to expireL295[10:41:32] <Wuerfel_21>
again, i'm not trying to bring a reasonable argument here
<Wuerfel_21>
again, i'm not trying to bring a reasonable argument hereL296[10:41:45] <Skye> to be fair
L297[10:41:51] <Skye> the obsolete web
browsers don't follow HSTS
L298[10:42:01] <Lizzian>
also, even ***if*** i wanted to disable https-only nature of my web
server, anyone who wanted to go to any of the sites i serve (over a
http connection) would need to clear their HSTS cache or wait a
year for it to expire (if they've visited the site before)
[Edited]
<Lizzian>
also, even ***if*** i wanted to disable https-only nature of my web
server, anyone who wanted to go to any of the sites i serve (over a
http connection) would need to clear their HSTS cache or wait a
year for it to expire (if they've visited the site before)
[Edited]L299[10:42:16] <Lizzian> if
they don't support HSTS they likely don't support anything above
TLS 1.0
<Lizzian> if
they don't support HSTS they likely don't support anything above
TLS 1.0L300[10:42:19] <Wuerfel_21>
i am just weird
<Wuerfel_21>
i am just weirdL301[10:42:26] <Lizzian>
and may soon not be able to connect
<Lizzian>
and may soon not be able to connectL302[10:42:38] <Lizzian>
again, i still need to go over the logs to see what people connect
with
<Lizzian>
again, i still need to go over the logs to see what people connect
withL303[10:42:45] <Wuerfel_21>
why would you even disable tls 1.0 in thwe first place?
<Wuerfel_21>
why would you even disable tls 1.0 in thwe first place?L304[10:42:56] <Lizzian>
because it's old and starting to get weak
<Lizzian>
because it's old and starting to get weakL305[10:43:08] <Lizzian>
TLS 1.1 & 1.2 are much more robust
<Lizzian>
TLS 1.1 & 1.2 are much more robustL306[10:43:10] <Wuerfel_21>
but all browsers that support higher will go higher
<Wuerfel_21>
but all browsers that support higher will go higherL307[10:43:25] <Lizzian>
yes, but it's still an attack vector i want to remove
<Lizzian>
yes, but it's still an attack vector i want to removeL308[10:43:42] ⇦
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L309[10:44:45] <Wuerfel_21>
i'd just show a warning thing
<Wuerfel_21>
i'd just show a warning thingL310[10:45:55] <Lizzian>
for what? If you mean an announcement to say i'm making the change,
yes, that's going to be done. I'm gonna give it a month or
two
<Lizzian>
for what? If you mean an announcement to say i'm making the change,
yes, that's going to be done. I'm gonna give it a month or
twoL311[10:47:20] <Wuerfel_21>
whatever
<Wuerfel_21>
whateverL312[10:47:42] <Wuerfel_21>
i am just a weired person obsessed with backwards
compatibility
<Wuerfel_21>
i am just a weired person obsessed with backwards
compatibilityL313[10:50:47] <Izaya> Backwards
compatibility considered harmful.
L314[10:50:51] <Izaya> Burn it all
down
L315[10:52:13] <Wuerfel_21>
no
<Wuerfel_21>
noL316[10:53:36] <Wuerfel_21>
people complain about e-waste. Yet throw away their stuff because
the latest version of software x doesn't work on it anymore, for no
good reason.
<Wuerfel_21>
people complain about e-waste. Yet throw away their stuff because
the latest version of software x doesn't work on it anymore, for no
good reason.L317[10:55:54] *
Izaya still has functional stuff from a long time ago
L318[10:56:05] <Izaya> Also, unixstickers
no longer sells stickers.
L319[10:56:10] <Izaya> Just sticker
packs
L320[10:56:34] <Izaya> Which is useless if
I want 100 linux mint stickers to put on a machine before I sell
it
L321[10:57:30] <Wuerfel_21>
the stuff works, but only in isolation, because noone supports it
anymore
<Wuerfel_21>
the stuff works, but only in isolation, because noone supports it
anymoreL322[10:57:45] <Wuerfel_21>
sometimes there is a good reason to abandon old things
<Wuerfel_21>
sometimes there is a good reason to abandon old thingsL323[10:58:17] <Izaya> Our software and
hardware is full of bullshit to support old stuff
L324[10:58:30] <Wuerfel_21>
or require more work to get it working (i.e compiling without
SSE2)
<Wuerfel_21>
or require more work to get it working (i.e compiling without
SSE2)L325[10:59:15] <MGR> SSE2
happened in 2001
<MGR> SSE2
happened in 2001L326[10:59:35] <Wuerfel_21>
not really. stuff like VGA modes are still used as fallbacks/safe
modes
<Wuerfel_21>
not really. stuff like VGA modes are still used as fallbacks/safe
modesL327[10:59:41] <Skye> to be fair there is
a reason for the forums, which is security is needed for the login,
and due to the nature of cookies and the server software it needs
to be HTTPS throughout.
L328[10:59:49] <Wuerfel_21>
because every GPU manufacturer does proprietary shit
<Wuerfel_21>
because every GPU manufacturer does proprietary shitL329[10:59:57] <MGR> No, I
mean SSE2 was released in 2001
<MGR> No, I
mean SSE2 was released in 2001L330[10:59:58] <Skye> the HTTPS needs to
be kept as up to date as possible
L331[11:00:00] <MGR> That's
verifiable
<MGR> That's
verifiableL332[11:00:21] <Wuerfel_21>
AMD got in on it some time later
<Wuerfel_21>
AMD got in on it some time laterL333[11:00:34] *
Izaya coughs
L334[11:00:42] <Izaya> 3DNow!
anyone?
L335[11:00:54] <MGR> In
2003, which was not too much later in the grand scheme of
thing
<MGR> In
2003, which was not too much later in the grand scheme of
thingL336[11:00:56] <MGR> In
2003, which was not too much later in the grand scheme of things
[Edited]
<MGR> In
2003, which was not too much later in the grand scheme of things
[Edited]L337[11:00:59] <MGR> Still
15 years ago
<MGR> Still
15 years agoL338[11:01:33] <Izaya> And yes, falling
back to VESA mode is a good feature, but is booting into 16-bit
8086 mode?
L339[11:01:35] <Wuerfel_21>
3dNow is just paired singles with a cool name
<Wuerfel_21>
3dNow is just paired singles with a cool nameL340[11:01:56] <Izaya> Why is the
circuitry on my processor for something nobody has used since
before 2000?
L341[11:02:24] <Wuerfel_21>
it is used when running 16 bit software on windows
<Wuerfel_21>
it is used when running 16 bit software on windowsL342[11:02:36] <Wuerfel_21>
which was common into the mid-200s
<Wuerfel_21>
which was common into the mid-200sL343[11:02:38] <Wuerfel_21>
which was common into the mid-2000s [Edited]
<Wuerfel_21>
which was common into the mid-2000s [Edited]L344[11:02:46] <Wuerfel_21>
because people kept on using djgpp
<Wuerfel_21>
because people kept on using djgppL345[11:03:26] <Wuerfel_21>
altough that switches into 32-bit mode
<Wuerfel_21>
altough that switches into 32-bit modeL346[11:04:41] <Wuerfel_21>
basically, if it ain't broke, don't make a new one that we have to
manually port shit over too and just make it compatible with what
is already there
<Wuerfel_21>
basically, if it ain't broke, don't make a new one that we have to
manually port shit over too and just make it compatible with what
is already thereL347[11:05:45] <Wuerfel_21>
also, not even VESA modes. VGA text mode. is what windows uses for
the safe mode menu.
<Wuerfel_21>
also, not even VESA modes. VGA text mode. is what windows uses for
the safe mode menu.L348[11:06:44] <Skye> actually no
L349[11:06:52] <Skye> windows 10 always
uses VESA modes
L350[11:06:55] <Skye> even in the boot
menu now
L351[11:08:32] <Izaya> I mean, porting to
a different platform, with the exception of low-level OS
components, should be no more complicated than recompiling in an
ideal world.
L352[11:09:09] <Wuerfel_21>
pff win 10 is succ though. (but needs to support non-PC compatible
systems so it makes sense)
<Wuerfel_21>
pff win 10 is succ though. (but needs to support non-PC compatible
systems so it makes sense)L353[11:09:47] <Lizzy> Windows 10 still
has a 32bit only variant, which imo is dumb
L354[11:09:51] <Izaya> (Said ideal world
assumes that you generally have the source of everything on your
machine available for you to compile, too)
L355[11:10:06] <Wuerfel_21>
`in an ideal world` but no. Because all the APIs are different. ANd
maybe don't even support the features you need
<Wuerfel_21>
`in an ideal world` but no. Because all the APIs are different. ANd
maybe don't even support the features you needL356[11:10:27] <Lizzian>
right, since i'm home, lets go pool over the logs
<Lizzian>
right, since i'm home, lets go pool over the logsL357[11:11:08] <Lizzian>
hmm, right, forgot that the logs get gzipped
<Lizzian>
hmm, right, forgot that the logs get gzippedL358[11:11:19] <Lizzian>
old ones that is
<Lizzian>
old ones that isL359[11:11:40] <Izaya> gunzip that
shit
L360[11:12:02] <Lizzian> i
can, but i don't wanna do it in /var/log
<Lizzian> i
can, but i don't wanna do it in /var/logL361[11:12:15] <Izaya> gunzip to stdout,
pipe that to less
L362[11:13:17] <Lizzian>
hmm, thjere was some sort of gui/tui thing i found ages ago that
allowed me to see various stats but i can't remember the name of
it
<Lizzian>
hmm, thjere was some sort of gui/tui thing i found ages ago that
allowed me to see various stats but i can't remember the name of
itL363[11:16:12] <Lizzian>
aha, i think it was goaccess
<Lizzian>
aha, i think it was goaccessL364[11:17:40] <Inari> %give MichiBot
watermelon war
L365[11:17:40] *
MichiBot accepts watermelon war and adds it to her
inventory
L366[11:18:04] <Inari> Win10 lacks a
16-bit variant
L367[11:18:05] <Inari> :<
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L375[11:30:57] <WattanaGaming> Oh my god i
cant believe mineos irc chat is really working
L376[11:31:36] <Wuerfel_21>
did you need a fully decked out T3 server to load it? ?
<Wuerfel_21>
did you need a fully decked out T3 server to load it? ?L377[11:31:50] <WattanaGaming> nopo
L378[11:32:02] <WattanaGaming> *nope
L379[11:32:11] <WattanaGaming> w8 im gonna
send the picture :d
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L381[11:33:19] <WattanaGaming6> check this
https://imgur.com/a/5YeILcA
L382[11:34:39] <CrimsonCrayon> aww i cant
open images on my opencomputer : (
L383[11:34:48] <WattanaGaming> lul
L384[11:34:50] <CrimsonCrayon> can you
draw it with ascii?
L385[11:35:00] <WattanaGaming> i dont
think so :P
L386[11:36:21] <Wuerfel_21>
i rember there being a library for decoding PNG
<Wuerfel_21>
i rember there being a library for decoding PNGL387[11:36:37] <CrimsonCrayon> would that
mineos run well as a vm or would that just slow things down?
L388[11:37:03] <Wuerfel_21>
i mean it already runs in a vm of sorts
<Wuerfel_21>
i mean it already runs in a vm of sortsL389[11:37:36] <CrimsonCrayon> thats true
its a vem within a vm
L390[11:37:41] <CrimsonCrayon> vm*
L391[11:37:48] <WattanaGaming> even the
wallpeper itself is a big ass memory hogger. it ate half of my two
tier 3.5 ram. btw i think its even slower than a virtual
machine
L392[11:38:45] <Wuerfel_21>
computronics has an infinte (well, OC caps at 64 MB) RAM
stick
<Wuerfel_21>
computronics has an infinte (well, OC caps at 64 MB) RAM
stickL394[11:40:13] <WattanaGaming> and thats
the meaning of the word "f'd up"
L395[11:40:28] <WattanaGaming> RIP
Minecraft world ???? - 2018 xD
L396[11:40:55] <Lizzian>
something probably broke the texture render
<Lizzian>
something probably broke the texture renderL397[11:41:00] <Wuerfel_21>
okay, apparently clearing display list or whatever cache by way of
changing draw distance helped
<Wuerfel_21>
okay, apparently clearing display list or whatever cache by way of
changing draw distance helpedL398[11:41:17] <Wuerfel_21>
i tried changing some settings regarding mipmapping
<Wuerfel_21>
i tried changing some settings regarding mipmappingL399[11:41:45] <Wuerfel_21>
because a thing was moire'd up like shiz from a distance
<Wuerfel_21>
because a thing was moire'd up like shiz from a distanceL400[11:42:43] <WattanaGaming> hey what
does a Corded user do? is it a some kind of relay user? i mean
sending a new messages to another server
L401[11:43:14] <Lizzy> she's a bridge
between the discord guild and this channel
L402[11:43:30] <WattanaGaming> thats
cool
L403[11:44:49] <Wuerfel_21>
4 trilinear mipmap levels. 16x anisotropic. still moire.
<Wuerfel_21>
4 trilinear mipmap levels. 16x anisotropic. still moire.L404[11:45:53] <Lizzy> for me (at least on
1.10) mipmapping, although it reduces the weird line warping effect
makes trees flicker constantly
L405[11:45:54] <WattanaGaming> I think you
should try bringing it down
L406[11:47:34] <WattanaGaming> Lizzy why
did i saw some sot of Mac address in your message? it said
41d0:2:d8bc::13 PRIVMSG
L407[11:48:02] <Wuerfel_21>
i may need to
<Wuerfel_21>
i may need toL408[11:48:13] <Wuerfel_21>
try restarting after changing the settings
<Wuerfel_21>
try restarting after changing the settingsL409[11:48:31] ⇦
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L410[11:48:42] <Lizzy> that's not a MAC
address, that's a portion of my IP address, i guess whatever IRC
client you're using doesn't know how to handle IPv6 addresses
properly...
L411[11:48:45] <Lizzy> and they went
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L418[12:07:49] <Inari> Hrm
L419[12:07:56] <Inari> Can't seem to find
a good place to buy maccha icecream powder
L420[12:24:26] <MGR> 'TT:
"I don't want a shadow. Isn't there a way to get the light to
wrap around them?" Me: "Not unless you have like a black
hole or something" TT: "Can we get that?"' --- Quote
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hole or something" TT: "Can we get that?"' --- Quote
1/2L421[12:40:31] <Wuerfel_21>
%choose entrance on long side or short side?
<Wuerfel_21>
%choose entrance on long side or short side?L422[12:40:31] <MichiBot> Wuerfel_21:
short side?
L423[12:40:40] <Wuerfel_21>
really?
<Wuerfel_21>
really?L424[12:40:47] <Wuerfel_21>
best of 3 i say
<Wuerfel_21>
best of 3 i sayL425[12:40:52] <Wuerfel_21>
%choose entrance on long side or short side?
<Wuerfel_21>
%choose entrance on long side or short side?L426[12:40:53] <MichiBot> Wuerfel_21:
entrance on long side
L427[12:40:57] <Wuerfel_21>
%choose entrance on long side or short side?
<Wuerfel_21>
%choose entrance on long side or short side?L428[12:40:57] <MichiBot> Wuerfel_21:
entrance on long side
L429[12:41:05] <Wuerfel_21>
ok lol
<Wuerfel_21>
ok lolL430[12:47:07]
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L436[13:58:33] <AmandaC> %choose gaaaaay
or ew, cooties
L437[13:58:34] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
gaaaaay
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L439[14:02:27] <WattanaGaming> Guys i have
a bit of a problem
L440[14:03:11] <WattanaGaming> i wanted to
make a top menu part for my program but i dont want it to cover the
whole screen as i wnt it to be multitasking
L441[14:03:56] <WattanaGaming> my
maincontainer caim from mineosinterface and i use it to create
menu, now i cant get it to close with the program
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L445[14:05:41] <payonel> Izaya: limit
width of io.read? tty stdin? e.g. you want to read 10 bytes and
leave the rest of the input buffer on the stdin handle until the
next read?
L446[14:06:24] <WattanaGaming> nuh uh i
make the menu using maincontainer and gui.menu but it doesnt close
with the program
L447[14:07:33] <Skye> WattanaGaming,
sorry, I don't think anyone here was used mineos... we could
probably figure it out given more information, though... is there
any documentation for writing mineos programs?
L448[14:09:06] <WattanaGaming1> Heres the
code and what happens: https://imgur.com/a/sPTlcn3
https://imgur.com/a/6Vxkrg0 https://imgur.com/8ObTZ3m
L449[14:10:33] <WattanaGaming1> and I took
come code from this page: https://github.com/IgorTimofeev/MineOS and this
page: https://github.com/IgorTimofeev/GUI#guimenux-y-width-backgroundcolor-textcolor-backgroundpressedcolor-textpressedcolor-backgroundtransparency-table-menu
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L453[14:26:49] <0StormBreaker0> Okay so i have this tablet
and im trying to install OPPM on it so i can get my nanomachines to
work but its telling me i need a internet card. Yet i dont have
enough space to keep my graphics card and wireless in as well.
Anyone know a way to add more space if possible or just a solution
so i can use it http://tinyurl.com/y8gg3u46
<0StormBreaker0> Okay so i have this tablet
and im trying to install OPPM on it so i can get my nanomachines to
work but its telling me i need a internet card. Yet i dont have
enough space to keep my graphics card and wireless in as well.
Anyone know a way to add more space if possible or just a solution
so i can use it http://tinyurl.com/y8gg3u46L454[14:27:51] <WattanaGaming1> use
apu
L455[14:28:19] <0StormBreaker0> ohh really
<0StormBreaker0> ohh reallyL456[14:31:17] <0StormBreaker0> i added apu but i dont
have an extra card slot
<0StormBreaker0> i added apu but i dont
have an extra card slotL457[14:31:54] <Skye> WattanaGaming1,
so... you seem to have overridden the close button?
L458[14:31:59] <0StormBreaker0> Ohh does that mean i wont
need the graphics card?
<0StormBreaker0> Ohh does that mean i wont
need the graphics card?L459[14:32:12] <Skye> "deprecated
function due to..."
L460[14:32:24] <Skye> what happens if you
comment that function out
L461[14:33:43] <payonel> @0StormBreaker0
o/
L462[14:34:17] <payonel> is your goal to
use the oppm program to interface with the nanos, or, is your goal
to intreface with the nanos?
L463[14:38:42] <0StormBreaker0> using the program to
interface with them
<0StormBreaker0> using the program to
interface with themL464[14:38:47] <0StormBreaker0> i think thats both
<0StormBreaker0> i think thats bothL465[14:41:39] <payonel> what i mean is,
is using the oppm program a required part of your goal
L466[14:42:25] <0StormBreaker0> Well i was looking at 2
videos and thats how both of the people explained it
<0StormBreaker0> Well i was looking at 2
videos and thats how both of the people explained itL467[14:42:58] <0StormBreaker0> If you have a
better/easier way, I'd try it
<0StormBreaker0> If you have a
better/easier way, I'd try itL468[14:43:52] <payonel> well just know
that the oppm stuff isn't required to use nanos
L469[14:45:09] <0StormBreaker0> Ohh really?
<0StormBreaker0> Ohh really?L470[14:45:18] <payonel> definitely not
:)
L471[14:45:36] <0StormBreaker0> then how do i turn them on
and make them give effects after eating them
<0StormBreaker0> then how do i turn them on
and make them give effects after eating themL472[14:46:00] <payonel> would you
consider yourself a programmer?
L473[14:46:11] <0StormBreaker0> Not even close
<0StormBreaker0> Not even closeL474[14:46:20] <payonel> i only ask to
help me gauge at what level i should answer that question
L475[14:46:36] <0StormBreaker0> It peaks my interest but i
have no experience
<0StormBreaker0> It peaks my interest but i
have no experienceL476[14:48:09] <payonel> let's start with
the common known conditions you have
L477[14:48:54] <0StormBreaker0> ok
<0StormBreaker0> okL478[14:48:56] <payonel> given that you
are running the opencomputers mod, and you have a the hardware
(case, cpu, memory)
L479[14:49:09] <payonel> everything else
you install/use/run is just lua code
L480[14:49:12] <payonel> in-game lua
code
L481[14:49:38] <payonel> there is NOTHING
of the lua code (mine, in the mod), or from the community (e.g.
oppm) that you can't do yourself, in-game
L482[14:50:05] <payonel> you literally,
in-game, without making a new mod -- can write your own bios code
to boot a machine
L483[14:50:07] <payonel> your own os
L484[14:50:17] <payonel> your own
nanomachine interface application
L485[14:50:19] <payonel> in-game
L486[14:50:22] <payonel> you dig?
L487[14:51:01] <0StormBreaker0> yeah
<0StormBreaker0> yeahL488[14:51:01] <payonel> normally people
use our eeprom bios, and openos
L489[14:51:28] <payonel> oppm projects are
just lua programs. you can write those too
L490[14:51:52] <payonel> nanomachine
operate using wireless modem messages
L491[14:52:49] <payonel> you broadcast a
command (encoded in a message), a nanomachine hears that wireless
message, it reacts and broadcasts a message of its own
L492[14:53:01] <payonel> you can listen
for that broadcasted message, and print details of the
response
L493[14:54:27] <payonel> anyways, i
wouldn't test/learn how to use nanomachines with a tabelt
L494[14:54:52] <payonel> make a nice
computer with all the goodies
L495[14:55:07] <payonel> even try out the
oppm program you wanted to use, but on that
L496[14:55:24] <0StormBreaker0> I have a computer set
up
<0StormBreaker0> I have a computer set
upL497[14:55:53] <payonel> test and write
all the stuff you want on the computer first.
L498[14:56:01] <payonel> if you like
something, try it out on the tablet if you can
L499[14:56:58] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4y8vsD6_PI whys
that song so familiar :f I haven't even watched the anime. I know
partially it does because it's similar in style to Dragon Maid's
OP. But still, seems more familiar than that
L500[14:56:59] <MichiBot> Knights &
Magic Intro Full - Hello! My World! | length: 4m 27s |
Likes: 778 Dislikes: 6 Views: 78,867 | by Eternal Fox |
Published On 23/10/2017
L501[14:57:34] <0StormBreaker0> So i have to learn how to
program in order to even test how to use nanos?
<0StormBreaker0> So i have to learn how to
program in order to even test how to use nanos?L502[14:58:30] <payonel> no, just try out
the oppm project on your computer first :)
L504[15:15:07] <0StormBreaker0> I tried this but nothing
happened
<0StormBreaker0> I tried this but nothing
happenedL505[15:15:31] <payonel> i have zero
experience with `nn`
L506[15:15:35] <payonel> don't even know
what it is, sorry
L507[15:16:07] <0StormBreaker0> You've never used
nanos?
<0StormBreaker0> You've never used
nanos?L508[15:16:14] <payonel> i've never used
nn
L509[15:16:25] <0StormBreaker0> rip me
<0StormBreaker0> rip meL510[15:16:29] <payonel> i've definitely
used nanos :)
L511[15:21:01] <AmandaC> payonel: openos
/dev entry for nanobots when?
L512[15:21:10] <0StormBreaker0> I did a nano test and
found that there are only a few effects i can use, speed, resis,
fire resis, and night vision
<0StormBreaker0> I did a nano test and
found that there are only a few effects i can use, speed, resis,
fire resis, and night visionL513[15:21:11] <payonel> oh wow
L514[15:21:11] <AmandaC> :P
L515[15:21:13] <payonel> that would be
awesome
L516[15:21:24] <AmandaC> Oh dear
L517[15:21:32] <payonel> AmandaC: you have
such great ideas :)
L518[15:21:35] <AmandaC> Hopefully that
didn't nerd snipe too bad. :P
L519[15:21:50] <AmandaC> I was making a
joke. :P
L520[15:21:50] <payonel> oh i'm already
listing the files and how to implement them in my head
L521[15:22:05] <payonel> oh...
L522[15:22:11] <payonel> but it isn't a
component of the computer
L523[15:22:13] <payonel> it's in you
L524[15:22:13] <AmandaC> Here's hoping it
doesn't need an event system overhaul or something like that
L525[15:22:14] <payonel> :(
L526[15:22:20] <payonel> haha, nah
L527[15:22:54] <payonel> @0StormBreaker0
yeah, the nano is config is random
L528[15:23:17] <payonel> AmandaC: sadly, i
can't do that :(
L529[15:23:21] <0StormBreaker0> So do i have to eat more
nanos to get different effects?
<0StormBreaker0> So do i have to eat more
nanos to get different effects?L530[15:23:26] <payonel> well i
could
L531[15:23:28] <payonel> but it doesn't
make sense
L532[15:23:31] <payonel> it was still a
great idea
L533[15:23:32] <payonel> :)
L534[15:24:08] <payonel> @0StormBreaker0
you're not going to get ALL the affects you want. you eat a new
nano if you want to roll a new random nano config,
essentially
L535[15:24:17] <0StormBreaker0> and Also where would a
beginner like myself with no coding/programming experience learn?
Because i would like to use it for in-game purposes and irl
<0StormBreaker0> and Also where would a
beginner like myself with no coding/programming experience learn?
Because i would like to use it for in-game purposes and irlL536[15:24:34] <payonel> haha
L537[15:24:42] <payonel> i read that at
first that you want to us nanos irl
L538[15:24:45] <payonel> i'm
like...um...
L539[15:24:50] <0StormBreaker0> no XD
<0StormBreaker0> no XDL540[15:24:52] <payonel> sorry?
L541[15:24:54] <payonel> :)
L542[15:25:53] <payonel> for a beginner?
i'd buy a book on a language and read it
L543[15:26:10] <0StormBreaker0> anything specific?
<0StormBreaker0> anything specific?L544[15:26:21] <AmandaC> %pil <--
that's nice, AIUI
L545[15:26:21] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html#P1
L546[15:26:22] <0StormBreaker0> not a book but
language
<0StormBreaker0> not a book but
languageL547[15:26:28] <payonel> why not
lua?
L548[15:26:37] <AmandaC> OpenOS is
predominately lua
L549[15:26:37] <0StormBreaker0> ohh ok
<0StormBreaker0> ohh okL550[15:26:39] <AmandaC> er, OC
L551[15:26:45] <AmandaC> OpenOS is 100%
lua
L552[15:26:59] <0StormBreaker0> So that would be
fine?
<0StormBreaker0> So that would be
fine?L553[15:27:24] <AmandaC> it'd be the most
direct path to toying with OC stuff, at least
L554[15:32:20] <0StormBreaker0> ah ok, thanks
<0StormBreaker0> ah ok, thanksL555[15:32:36]
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seem to fix the mineos gui.menu() problem. still cant remove it
without rebooting
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L558[15:38:01] <0StormBreaker0> Do i have to make a new
set of nano's every time i want a random set of effects, cause i
have a stack of nanos and everytime i eat a new one after eating
grog, i still have the same effects
<0StormBreaker0> Do i have to make a new
set of nano's every time i want a random set of effects, cause i
have a stack of nanos and everytime i eat a new one after eating
grog, i still have the same effectsL559[15:40:23] ⇦
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L562[15:47:11] <WattanaGaming1> i
dunno
L563[15:53:38] <Wuerfel_21>
maybe ask the mineOS developers
<Wuerfel_21>
maybe ask the mineOS developersL564[15:53:47] <Wuerfel_21>
iirc they had a credit screen somewhere
<Wuerfel_21>
iirc they had a credit screen somewhereL565[15:54:18] ⇦
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L567[16:10:11] <WattanaGaming> Whos
online?
L568[16:10:26] <MGR> Not
me
<MGR> Not
meL569[16:10:35] <WattanaGaming> lol
L570[16:12:06] <Corded> *
<Wuerfel21> _is clearly offline
L571[16:13:01] <WattanaGaming> i wonder
why final fantasy movies doesnt made it
L572[16:13:38] <WattanaGaming> i watch
both FFVII advent children and The Spirit within and they're a very
good movie
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L577[16:26:47] <WattanaGaming> ok guys i
moved my hdd into a server rack so i can do more things
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L579[16:27:34] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot a
totally-not-explosive plushie
L580[16:27:34] *
MichiBot accepts the totally-not-explosive plushie and adds it to
her inventory
L581[16:27:49] <WattanaGaming> what is
dat??
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L583[16:28:06] <AmandaC> Nothing, just an
ordinary plushie!
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L585[16:32:46] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L586[16:32:46] *
MichiBot brushes AmandaC with vim and vigor. 4 health
gained!
L587[16:32:59] <Inari> Is vigor a vim
plugin or so
L588[16:33:08] <Dudblockman> doing a quick bit of
testing...
<Dudblockman> doing a quick bit of
testing...L589[16:33:38] <Dudblockman> I swear I remember being able
to access the armor slots of a player via transposer
<Dudblockman> I swear I remember being able
to access the armor slots of a player via transposerL590[16:33:50] <Dudblockman> Am I crazy or am I doing a
thing wrong?
<Dudblockman> Am I crazy or am I doing a
thing wrong?L591[16:37:46] <Inari> Hmm not sure,
someone might know. I only remember some inventroy access plate,
but I think that was from some aditional mod
L592[16:38:16] <Dudblockman> Being adjacent to a
transposer does return the player's inventory
<Dudblockman> Being adjacent to a
transposer does return the player's inventoryL593[16:38:36] <Dudblockman> But only their hotbar and
main inventory (36 slots)
<Dudblockman> But only their hotbar and
main inventory (36 slots)L594[16:40:15] <Dudblockman> I was thinking of making a
little "I just died" station that would equip me with a
set of armor and give me a sword, pickaxe, bow, arrows, food, and
other sorts of essentials
<Dudblockman> I was thinking of making a
little "I just died" station that would equip me with a
set of armor and give me a sword, pickaxe, bow, arrows, food, and
other sorts of essentialsL595[16:40:20] <Dudblockman> Just for funzies
<Dudblockman> Just for funziesL596[16:40:51] <Inari> Hm did MC not have
an "put armor on when you pick some up and not wearing
any" feature?
L597[16:41:11] <Dudblockman> If I really need to I can go
to using a dispenser to equip the armor the vanilla way
<Dudblockman> If I really need to I can go
to using a dispenser to equip the armor the vanilla wayL598[16:41:32] <Dudblockman> I just found it odd that it
doesn't seem to see offhand/armor slots
<Dudblockman> I just found it odd that it
doesn't seem to see offhand/armor slotsL599[16:51:22] <Wuerfel_21>
I remember doing an armor auto equip with computercraft and some
other mod many moons ago
<Wuerfel_21>
I remember doing an armor auto equip with computercraft and some
other mod many moons agoL600[16:51:46] <Inari> Wow, that must've
been long ago
L601[16:51:52] <Inari> The current moon
has been around for a while
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L604[16:55:17] <Lizzy> %tell WattanaGaming
that's not a MAC address, that's a portion of my IP address, i
guess whatever IRC client you're using doesn't know how to handle
IPv6 addresses properly...
L605[16:55:17] <MichiBot> Lizzy:
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L606[16:59:26] <Dudblockman> I guess this also means my
silly PVP idea of having a 'combat drone' that would try to chase
players and try to steal their armor would be a bust
<Dudblockman> I guess this also means my
silly PVP idea of having a 'combat drone' that would try to chase
players and try to steal their armor would be a bustL607[16:59:28] <Dudblockman> Lol
<Dudblockman> LolL608[17:00:13] <Dudblockman> Opencomputers: True counter
to Draconic Evolution armor
<Dudblockman> Opencomputers: True counter
to Draconic Evolution armorL609[17:06:39] <Izaya> just have a drone
pick them up with a lead
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L614[17:49:59] <logan2611>
or a tractor beam
<logan2611>
or a tractor beamL615[17:50:28] <Wuerfel_21>
Or a debug card
<Wuerfel_21>
Or a debug cardL616[17:50:36] <logan2611>
;P
<logan2611>
;PL617[17:51:21] *
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L620[18:45:51] <Izaya> payonel: nah line
width I want to fit it into a UI without writing over other
text
L621[19:18:21] <Kodos>
Steam summer sale started today ?
<Kodos>
Steam summer sale started today ?L622[19:19:02] <Izaya> oshit
L623[19:19:08] <Izaya> right in time for
my winter break
L624[19:26:17] <Kodos> Wife
bought House Flipper apparently
<Kodos> Wife
bought House Flipper apparentlyL625[19:30:38] <Izaya> >RPG Games
L626[19:30:42] <Izaya> valve pls
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L628[19:39:07] <WattanaGaming> guys im
having a problem with gui.input os mineos
L629[19:40:00] <WattanaGaming> when i want
my program to show the table content it gives me table:
<whatever it is>
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L631[19:59:52] <Toothless the
Dragon> how much space do the mountable drives have?
<Toothless the
Dragon> how much space do the mountable drives have?L632[20:10:21] <AmandaC> %tell Inari FUCK.
I was not ready for that ending. D:
L633[20:10:21] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L634[20:11:21] <AmandaC> Now, back to
bawling from that supper bittersweet ending
L635[20:32:37] <Izaya> Toothless, 512K,
1M, 2M or 4M
L636[20:40:15] <AmandaC> Rack mounted
drives? Isn't that just for floppys
L637[20:41:34] <AmandaC> %choose earbleach
or eyebleach
L638[20:41:35] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
earbleach
L639[20:42:24] <Dudblockman> I thought of an interesting
way of handling my armor equipping thing
<Dudblockman> I thought of an interesting
way of handling my armor equipping thingL640[20:42:50] <Dudblockman> Using a bibliocraft armor
stand as my method of getting the armor...
<Dudblockman> Using a bibliocraft armor
stand as my method of getting the armor...L641[20:43:08] <Dudblockman> and when the armor is taken,
give the player the other stuff
<Dudblockman> and when the armor is taken,
give the player the other stuffL642[20:44:11] <Izaya> I'm a bad
person.
L643[20:44:24] <AmandaC> What else is new,
Izaya
L644[20:44:29] <AmandaC> (sorry)
L645[20:44:35] <Izaya> hey
L646[20:44:44] <Izaya> just because it's
correct doesn't mean you have to agree with it
L647[20:44:58] <Izaya> My frequest browser
just pipes in the output of fget rather than implementing its own
client
L648[20:45:07] <Izaya> I'm basically using
curl to implement a web browser.
L649[20:45:18] <AmandaC> Hahaha
L650[20:45:20] <AmandaC> Nice
L651[20:45:40] <Izaya> OpenOS does
io.popen, right?
L652[20:48:04] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot a
portal to a world of hate and war, where you'll assault everyone
you've ever known and loved before
L653[20:48:04] *
MichiBot accepts the portal to a world of hate and war, where
you'll assault everyone you've ever known and loved before and adds
it to her inventory
L654[20:49:00] <Izaya> for my next trick,
I'll pipe the output of wget through fget
L655[20:49:33] <AmandaC> %bap Izaya
L656[20:49:33] *
MichiBot baps Izaya with Perl6
L657[20:50:34] <Izaya> so in other news, I
should, theoretically, be able to use mdbrowse to y'know, browse
stuff over fget
L658[20:51:19] <AmandaC> Mdbrowse?
L659[20:54:22] <Izaya> my markdown
viewer
L660[20:54:27] <Izaya> I had a webm
earlier uh
L661[20:55:00] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/gequji.webm
L662[21:03:51] <AmandaC> I see
L663[21:04:25] <Izaya> huh :|
L664[21:04:30] <Izaya> I can set italics
but not unset it
L665[21:04:53] <Izaya> \27[7m sets reverse
video but \27[0m doesn't unset it
L666[21:09:51] <Izaya> nor \27[;m as the
file says
L667[21:11:07] <Izaya> \27[7m doesn't
unset it either
L668[21:11:41] *
AmandaC picks up her torch fork, prepares to run payonel out of
town
L669[21:12:18] <Izaya> torch fork?
L670[21:12:28] <Izaya> is that like, a
stick with 3 prongs, each with some fire on the end?
L671[21:14:47] <AmandaC> It's a pitchfork
/ torch combo, much easier to carry since I'm lacking opposable
thumbs
L672[21:15:37] <Izaya> ah
L673[21:15:49] <Izaya> on the upside,
colours do work
L674[21:18:03] <Izaya> alright this works
I guess
L675[21:18:22] <AmandaC> I think I've
decided that I'll use KOS for my computers and tablets, user openos
as a base for my back end stuff
L676[21:18:38] <AmandaC> S/user/use/
L677[21:18:43] <Izaya> \27[30;47m to set
reverse video, \27[0m to remove it
L678[21:18:51] <Izaya> it's not actually
using the reverse video thing but it'll do
L679[21:29:14] <Toothless the
Dragon> when you go to view the docs, but you get a 503
<Toothless the
Dragon> when you go to view the docs, but you get a 503L681[21:31:16] <Mimiru>
Yes.. it's been mentioned and no one currently here can do anything
about it.
<Mimiru>
Yes.. it's been mentioned and no one currently here can do anything
about it.L682[21:32:31] <Toothless the
Dragon> hmm, well rip
<Toothless the
Dragon> hmm, well ripL683[21:34:36]
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L684[21:35:26] <WattanaGaming> Guys i made
it
L685[21:35:37] <WattanaGaming> i just
published my pastebin downloader
L686[21:42:55] <WattanaGaming> lol
wur
L687[21:42:58] <WattanaGaming> *wut
L688[21:45:44] <Izaya> docs work
here
L689[21:46:06] <Mimiru>
It's spotty, also I poked Sangar again
<Mimiru>
It's spotty, also I poked Sangar againL690[21:48:07] <AmandaC> Detective sangar
is on the case!
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L692[21:56:20] <AmandaC> %tell Inari I had
a few friends over while you were sick the other day, hope that's
okay http://imgur.com/gallery/QShA1Yb
L693[21:56:20] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L694[21:56:32] <AmandaC> payonel: ^
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L696[21:57:48] <WattanaGaming> When you
see this, it mean......
L697[21:58:02] <Wattana
Gaming> i wanna take u to a gay bar ?
<Wattana
Gaming> i wanna take u to a gay bar ?L698[22:00:49] ⇦
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L701[22:43:27] <Izaya> :D got history
working
L702[22:53:56] <Izaya> hm, cursor position
is removed from memory after you use \27[u :|
L703[22:54:03] <Izaya> Can't use it
twice
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L705[23:28:47] <Izaya> IT LIVES
L706[23:28:54] <Izaya> man I'd almost say
this is usable
L707[23:36:33] <Izaya> Skye, payonel,
@Wuerfel_21 https://my.mixtape.moe/upmpys.webm
L708[23:40:34] <Wuerfel_21>
Ayyy thats pretty cool
<Wuerfel_21>
Ayyy thats pretty coolL709[23:41:08] <Izaya> 's a little slow
but the switch in use isn't upgraded so I blame that
L710[23:42:30] <Wuerfel_21>
I assume handshaking takes most of the time?
<Wuerfel_21>
I assume handshaking takes most of the time?L711[23:43:45] *
Izaya nods
L712[23:43:58] <Izaya> Once it says 'read
x bytes' it's actually transferring data
L713[23:44:07] <Izaya> and updating that
every time doesn't help
L714[23:44:25] <Wuerfel_21>
Maybe leave a socket to last used server open?
<Wuerfel_21>
Maybe leave a socket to last used server open?L715[23:44:35] <Izaya> 's an idea
L716[23:46:03] <Wuerfel_21>
If this stuff kindof works, i may finally have a reason to build an
in game network
<Wuerfel_21>
If this stuff kindof works, i may finally have a reason to build an
in game networkL717[23:46:19] <Izaya> well, you just saw
a demo
L718[23:46:32] <Izaya> I plan to port this
to KOS NEO eventually too, I swear
L719[23:49:49] <Wuerfel_21>
I did a semi-similiar thing once
<Wuerfel_21>
I did a semi-similiar thing onceL720[23:50:24] <Wuerfel_21>
But in my case, it was downloading lua scripts that it'd run in a
sandbox
<Wuerfel_21>
But in my case, it was downloading lua scripts that it'd run in a
sandboxL721[23:52:04] <Izaya> eegh
L722[23:52:07] <Wuerfel_21>
Never could get networking to work well™
<Wuerfel_21>
Never could get networking to work well™L723[23:52:09] <Izaya> sounds like that
browser for ComputerCraft
L724[23:52:15] <Izaya> anyway
L725[23:52:18] <Izaya> as far as
networking goes
L726[23:52:43] <Izaya> because the browser
uses fget which is generally run over minitel you get ordering and
reliability and inter-server networking and such
L727[23:52:56] <Izaya> (and I have a HTTP
gateway that talks fget also)