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L1[00:02:25] <payonel> meh?
L2[00:02:29] <payonel> the github bug?
L3[00:02:51] <Mimiru> yeah, just wondering if you know anything about it?
L4[00:03:00] <payonel> no :(
L5[00:03:01] <payonel> BUT
L6[00:03:06] <payonel> i really would like to be done with my openos work
L7[00:03:13] <Mimiru> lol
L8[00:03:14] <payonel> so i can get back to actually fixing things
L9[00:03:47] * Mimiru nods
L10[00:04:30] <Mimiru> So, my interview is tomorrow, but the recruiter said there should be no reason for them not to hire me.
L11[00:04:39] <Mimiru> I'm still nervous
L12[00:05:08] <payonel> yep, of course
L13[00:05:54] <payonel> how are you going to hide that you secretly hate humans?
L14[00:05:54] <payonel> :)
L15[00:06:11] <Mimiru> I've had 32 years to perfect hiding that.
L16[00:06:12] <Mimiru> :P
L17[00:06:42] <payonel> will work be far from your current residence?
L18[00:07:06] <Mimiru> ~10 minutes, it's in Tigard
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L20[00:09:12] <payonel> :) i like tigard
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L22[00:43:39] <Saphire> Mimiru: but do you hate dragons?
L23[00:50:21] <Mimiru> Saphire, no
L24[00:51:10] <Saphire> Yay
L25[02:45:17] <Forecaster> %loot
L26[02:45:18] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a loot box! It contains an unlabeled key.
L27[03:27:47] <Izaya> Well.
L28[03:27:54] <Izaya> 4.17 kernel is compiling.
L29[03:28:01] <Izaya> We raven ridge soon
L30[03:31:22] <Izaya> Man, once 4.17 is in repos I'd love to build a tiny box for getting shit done
L31[03:31:56] <Izaya> 2200G, 8GB of RAM or so, a nice 120GB SD
L32[03:32:02] <Izaya> SSD rather
L33[03:33:04] <Saphire> Izaya: what's up at 4.17?
L34[03:33:22] <Izaya> Raven Ridge APU support, mostly
L35[03:33:31] <Izaya> More spectre and meltdown fixes
L36[03:33:52] <Saphire> Oh yay
L37[03:34:09] <Saphire> ... Heh, how many of those are there?
L38[03:34:33] <Saphire> Someone traded all security away for speed
L39[03:35:23] <Izaya> I think we're up to 5 on x86 in general, 8 on Intel
L40[03:35:38] <Izaya> The fixes do not help performance.
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L42[03:52:51] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L43[04:01:32] <Forecaster> %shell
L44[04:01:32] * MichiBot loads memory leeks into a shell and fires it. It strikes the ground near Stary, infina and Backslash. They each take 3, 4 and 2 splash damage respectively.
L45[05:15:52] <Forecaster> %restart
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L48[05:16:20] zsh sets mode: +v on MichiBot
L49[05:17:13] <Forecaster> %makemagic ten kittens
L50[05:17:13] <MichiBot> ten magic kittens
L51[05:18:40] <Forecaster> %makemagic two million glass bottles
L52[05:18:40] <MichiBot> two million magic glass bottles
L53[05:33:16] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1527051807195.jpg
L54[05:36:10] <Wuerfel_21> JS being meh is nothing new though
L55[05:39:58] * Izaya nods
L56[05:46:32] <Izaya> Man I've been watching 4.17-rc6 compile for about 15 minites
L57[05:46:38] <Izaya> One warning.
L58[05:47:05] <Forecaster> was the warning "Oh god everything is going wrong oh god!!!"
L59[05:47:19] <Izaya> Nah, still going.
L60[05:53:41] <Forecaster> I got my 3D-printer yesterday
L61[05:53:51] <Forecaster> now I have an issue
L62[05:53:59] <Forecaster> I have no desk or table to put it on
L63[05:54:04] <Forecaster> or to assemble it on
L64[06:26:17] <Izaya> So like
L65[06:26:34] <Izaya> WSUA was WSUA because it did include a form of unix
L66[06:26:59] <Izaya> WSL contains 0% Linux, supposedly, so would it not be more accurate to call it GNU/NT?
L67[06:53:37] <Skye> Izaya: I already made that joke with @20kdc
L68[06:54:06] <Izaya> So you agree?
L69[07:00:36] <Izaya> Skye: muh DOS clone command interpreter is in progress
L70[07:00:54] <Skye> Izaya: it's GNU/NT :D
L71[07:00:59] <Skye> Dun dun dun
L72[07:01:09] <Skye> MiniOS is gonna be fully obsolete yay
L73[07:01:23] <Izaya> I swear it's totally not just luash ported to something other than PsychOS or MultICE
L74[07:02:03] <CompanionCube> Izaya: or as I like to call it
L75[07:02:06] <CompanionCube> GNU plus NT.
L76[07:02:56] <CompanionCube> (even if NT is pretending to be Linux)
L77[07:03:34] <Skye> CompanionCube: I already made this joke... x_x
L78[07:03:53] <Izaya> CompanionCube: I actually went to the effort of compiling a kernel today
L79[07:03:54] <CompanionCube> but you didn't finish it
L80[07:04:26] <Izaya> mint, xubuntu and debian all don't enable amdgpu stuff for raven ridge APUs
L81[07:04:52] <CompanionCube> oh?
L82[07:05:06] <Izaya> so I had to do it myself
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L84[07:27:02] <Forecaster> %loot
L85[07:27:02] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a loot box! It contains a tiny knife.
L86[07:30:43] <AmandaC> %tonk
L87[07:30:43] <MichiBot> AmandaC! You beat Mimiru's previous record of 1 day, 13 hours, 25 minutes, 30 seconds! I hope you're happy!
L88[07:30:44] <MichiBot> AmandaC's new record is 1 week, 1 day, 12 hours, 32 minutes, 32 seconds
L89[07:33:50] <Forecaster> :O
L90[07:34:04] <Forecaster> %makemagic ten billion tonks
L91[07:34:04] <MichiBot> ten billion magic tonks
L92[07:58:00] <AmandaC> %makemagic a magic sock puppet
L93[07:58:00] <MichiBot> a magic magic sock puppet
L94[08:01:05] <ben_mkiv> %loot
L95[08:01:06] <MichiBot> ben_mkiv: You get a loot box! It contains a Magic year 1499! (25%)
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L98[08:10:55] <Forecaster> that command is for testing the new prefix resolver
L99[08:11:09] <Forecaster> it's a bit more exhaustive than the current one
L100[08:11:40] <Forecaster> hm, I just realized something it doesn't do
L101[08:11:53] <Forecaster> %makemagic a five billion year old pie
L102[08:11:53] <MichiBot> a magic five billion year old pie
L103[08:12:02] <Forecaster> oh wait
L104[08:12:12] <Forecaster> it accidentally handled that correctly...
L105[08:13:27] <Forecaster> well, acceptably, at least
L106[08:13:56] <Forecaster> %makemagic five billion pies
L107[08:13:56] <MichiBot> five billion magic pies
L108[08:14:55] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot three lewds in a trenchcoat
L109[08:14:55] * MichiBot accepts three lewds in a trenchcoat and adds it to her inventory
L110[08:19:33] <S3> AmandaC I just do not understad
L111[08:19:35] <S3> XD
L112[08:20:14] <AmandaC> S3: What's there not to understand?
L113[08:20:47] <S3> your personality surprises me sometimes lol
L114[08:21:24] <Izaya> don't you know
L115[08:21:32] <Izaya> MichiBot just pocketed Inari
L116[08:21:46] <AmandaC> :D
L117[08:28:45] <Saphire> %makemagic five billion pees
L118[08:28:45] <MichiBot> five billion magic pees
L119[08:28:53] <logan2611> oh ok
L120[08:29:32] <Forecaster> that's a lot of peeing
L121[08:33:31] <Skye> ~markov Izaya
L122[08:33:37] <Skye> ~markov Inari
L123[08:33:43] <Skye> ~markov lewd
L124[08:33:44] <ocdoc> why am I configuring twm for a few hours, but \o/)
L125[08:33:46] <ocdoc> execute will need no BC pipes are TEs can operate by principle still holds your pantsu shell
L126[08:33:46] <ocdoc> Forecaster: i can say im the openly sexual interests?
L127[08:34:29] <Forecaster> allrighty then
L128[08:36:44] <AmandaC> gamax92: your son/daughter is going after @Forecaster
L129[08:38:30] <AmandaC> oh, okay. I guess Steam Link is updating now
L130[08:38:36] <AmandaC> not like I was in the middle of a game or anything
L131[08:38:55] <Forecaster> yay
L132[08:38:59] <Forecaster> updates
L133[08:39:50] <S3> I should put my network printer on the DMZ at home
L134[08:40:02] <S3> and wait a month and see what people print to it
L135[08:40:27] <Forecaster> 100% memes
L136[08:40:35] <S3> sometimes the printers on campus print out russian
L137[08:40:40] <S3> and go nuts
L138[08:40:55] <Izaya> does your printer support PJL?
L139[08:41:00] <Izaya> if it does I'll send you some files
L140[08:41:36] <AmandaC> .... aaand the update crashes on launch.
L141[08:46:22] <Forecaster> \o/
L142[08:46:24] <Forecaster> best update
L143[08:49:02] <AmandaC> LOL
L144[08:49:16] <AmandaC> Under What's New "Fixed crash at app start on some devices"
L145[08:50:09] <CompanionCube> Izaya: inb4 you rip off stealing the network
L146[08:50:26] <Izaya> I ended up writing my own tools for that
L147[08:50:47] <CompanionCube> which thing in particular?
L148[08:51:10] <Izaya> PJL file transfer
L149[08:51:57] <CompanionCube> which chapter was that in again
L150[08:52:08] <Izaya> the one with H3x in it
L151[08:52:34] <AmandaC> PJL?
L152[08:52:48] <Izaya> Printer Job Language
L153[08:52:50] <Izaya> port 9100
L154[08:52:55] <AmandaC> I see
L155[08:54:12] <S3> rofl
L156[08:54:25] <CompanionCube> or 'pwning a printer for fun and no profit'
L157[08:54:54] <S3> No idea if it has PJL
L158[08:54:58] <S3> I think it may have postscript
L159[09:10:25] <Forecaster> %loot
L160[09:10:25] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a loot box! It contains a tiny model shoe.
L161[09:10:47] <Corded> * <Forecaster> combines tiny shoe with tiny knife and gets tiny knife shoe
L162[09:35:00] <Forecaster> https://notalwaysright.com/must-have-been-navel-gazing-through-that-class-2/55326/
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L164[09:46:17] <Inari> Meow
L165[09:46:25] <Inari> vifino: Why do you even ask
L166[09:47:09] * AmandaC pounces Inari, meows
L167[09:47:13] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L168[09:47:14] * MichiBot pets AmandaC with forbidden fruit. 8 health gained!
L169[09:47:14] <Inari> ohi
L170[09:47:19] <AmandaC> haihai. :3
L171[09:48:38] <Inari> %give MichiBot GDPR
L172[09:48:38] * MichiBot accepts GDPR and adds it to her inventory
L173[09:49:28] <Forecaster> %makemagic two thousand GDPR's
L174[09:49:29] <MichiBot> two thousand magic GDPR's
L175[09:50:19] <Inari> Uh, okay?
L176[09:50:23] <Inari> %makemagic loli
L177[09:50:24] <MichiBot> Seems I'm out of mana...
L178[09:50:34] <Inari> %loot
L179[09:50:34] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a loot box! It contains a broken .gif.
L180[09:52:04] <Inari> Say goodbye~ Hello~
L181[09:53:00] <Forecaster> inari that command is for testing the new prefix solver
L182[09:53:07] <S3> Inari: why you remind me of that song?!
L183[09:53:08] <Inari> I see
L184[09:53:17] <Inari> S3: Because I love it
L185[09:53:23] <Inari> Assumign we 're talkinga bout the same song
L186[09:53:23] <Inari> :P
L187[09:53:25] <Forecaster> do try to make it misbehave so I can fix it
L188[09:53:26] <Forecaster> :P
L189[09:53:51] <S3> Well I'm talking about save tonight Inari
L190[09:53:52] <S3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nntd2fgMUYw
L191[09:53:53] <MichiBot> Eagle-Eye Cherry - Save Tonight | length: 3m 10s | Likes: 102,606 Dislikes: 2,699 Views: 18,136,942 | by EagleEyeCherryVEVO | Published On 25/10/2009
L192[09:54:02] <S3> probably not the same thing you are
L193[09:54:03] <Forecaster> it's meant to allow inserting things between any prefix and the rest of the sentence
L194[09:54:18] <Inari> %makemagic AmandaC's wonderfully lyrical loli maiden
L195[09:54:18] <MichiBot> Seems I'm out of mana...
L196[09:54:24] <Inari> %bap MichiBot
L197[09:54:24] * MichiBot baps MichiBot with max floof
L198[09:54:36] <Forecaster> it'll say that if there's no prefix
L199[09:54:39] <Inari> S3: Well, no, not that one XD
L200[09:54:50] <S3> I like that one though
L201[09:55:12] <Inari> It's a nice one
L202[09:55:25] <Inari> Though Iprefer the nigthcore version
L203[09:55:56] <Forecaster> %makemagic twenty one nightcores
L204[09:55:56] <MichiBot> twenty one magic nightcores
L205[09:56:09] <Inari> So
L206[09:56:12] <Inari> Whats a "prefix" :P
L207[09:56:17] <S3> ever seen the music video for it?
L208[09:56:19] <S3> it's very strange
L209[09:56:27] <S3> prefix..
L210[09:56:29] <Inari> S3: don't think so
L211[09:56:33] <Forecaster> "twenty one"
L212[09:56:35] <Forecaster> "a"
L213[09:56:37] <Forecaster> "the"
L214[09:56:38] <S3> like a network prefix?
L215[09:57:09] <Mimiru> %makemagic The Schoolbus
L216[09:57:09] <MichiBot> Seems I'm out of mana...
L217[09:57:16] <Mimiru> "the" huh? :P
L218[09:57:21] <Forecaster> Vexatos probably knows what the proper word is
L219[09:57:25] <Forecaster> maybe I didn't add "the"...
L220[09:57:39] <Inari> %makemagic a baked vexatos
L221[09:57:39] <MichiBot> a magic baked vexatos
L222[09:57:42] <Forecaster> no I did
L223[09:57:45] <Forecaster> that's strange
L224[09:57:51] <Inari> $makemagic the schoolbus
L225[09:57:54] <Mimiru> %makemagic the schoolbus
L226[09:57:54] <MichiBot> the magic schoolbus
L227[09:57:54] <Inari> %makemagic the schoolbus
L228[09:57:55] <MichiBot> the magic schoolbus
L229[09:57:59] <Inari> Case
L230[09:58:02] <Forecaster> ah, case
L231[09:58:03] <Mimiru> it's case sensitive... gg
L232[09:58:13] <Inari> S3: It's a bit odd, yeah
L233[09:58:22] <Vexatos> ,-,
L234[09:58:53] <Inari> S3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uARn2MCUZN4 thats the song I meant :p
L235[09:58:53] <MichiBot> Birdy Decode Opening 2-Kiseki by Nirgilis | length: 4m 21s | Likes: 5,136 Dislikes: 65 Views: 917,157 | by BlackHole392 | Published On 22/5/2012
L236[09:59:00] <Forecaster> hm, I wonder if I can make the searching case insensitive, but still have the capture groups preserve case
L237[09:59:37] <Izaya> Huh, apparently in the US, running your own code on the baseband processor of your phone is illegal.
L238[09:59:40] <Izaya> How obnoxious.
L239[09:59:55] <Forecaster> good thing you're not in the US? :P
L240[10:00:28] <Izaya> Too bad I'm not on the one of zero phones supported by replicant.
L241[10:00:29] <Mimiru> "i" should preserve the case, no?
L242[10:00:44] <S3> Ok that picture onthe video
L243[10:00:49] <S3> is kind of questionable at work
L244[10:00:52] <S3> lol
L245[10:01:02] <Mimiru> or, Pattern.CASE_INSENSITIVE I guess.. :P
L246[10:01:29] <Mimiru> I'm pretty sure I've used that to match ignoring case, and it preserved it.
L247[10:02:52] <Inari> say goodbye hello ~ over and over again you and I always circled round and round ~ with this melody that will always play until the world changes
L248[10:03:28] <Inari> S3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5-AEwePORw then how about that
L249[10:03:28] <MichiBot> SAKURA QUEST ED /Freesia by (K)NoW_NAME/ full lyrics | length: 4m 12s | Likes: 1,486 Dislikes: 14 Views: 194,062 | by ok2787 | Published On 15/8/2017
L250[10:03:29] <Inari> :p
L251[10:03:39] <S3> uh
L252[10:03:41] <S3> I'm scared
L253[10:03:45] <S3> should I click it?
L254[10:03:50] <Inari> Of course
L255[10:04:09] <S3> That's good coloring
L256[10:07:46] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4lUP_SzOPg oooh I haven't listened to that in a while
L257[10:07:47] <MichiBot> Wonderful Wonder World (Log Horizon) | length: 4m 54s | Likes: 1,997 Dislikes: 25 Views: 265,563 | by Loliheartz | Published On 2/9/2015
L258[10:08:08] <Inari> Also
L259[10:08:17] <Inari> Super pretty thing I've seen earlier today!
L260[10:08:18] <Inari> https://twitter.com/catgirls_bot/status/999198918775885825
L261[10:08:18] <MichiBot> Wed May 23 03:02:41 CDT 2018 @catgirls_bot: https://t.co/Q5gU6MmPGK https://t.co/4zeAlLgVk3
L262[10:12:29] <Izaya> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0fa38451116bd6bb7474cf614cdd4eb743780e46309788ecc597ae773da0da29.jpg
L263[10:15:58] <Inari> Izaya: But wheres ME
L264[10:16:11] <Izaya> In the ground.
L265[10:16:16] <Inari> xD
L266[10:16:20] <Inari> Poor ME
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L272[11:12:58] <Mimiru> %makemagic the school bus
L273[11:12:58] <MichiBot> the magic school bus
L274[11:13:04] <Mimiru> \o/
L275[11:13:30] <Inari> %makemagic The School Bus
L276[11:13:30] <MichiBot> The magic School Bus
L277[11:13:51] <Mimiru> Right, I meant to capitalize it, forgot.
L278[11:14:00] <Inari> %makemagic A B C
L279[11:14:00] <MichiBot> A magic B C
L280[11:14:05] <Mimiru> but i knew it'd work, as I saw the testing. :P
L281[11:14:17] <Inari> Though thats unafir, usually you'd write it ABC :P
L282[11:14:25] <Mimiru> lol
L283[11:14:28] <Inari> %makemagic ABC
L284[11:14:28] <MichiBot> Seems I'm out of mana...
L285[11:20:14] <Inari> %makemagic a magic
L286[11:20:14] <MichiBot> a magic magic
L287[11:33:21] <Kleadron> im installing linux in a vm
L288[11:33:26] <Kleadron> http://tinyurl.com/ybtvrg89
L289[11:33:30] <Kleadron> time to wait an hour
L290[12:09:51] <payonel> who was excited about an editor that runs on t1 ram?
L291[12:26:52] <S3> wheres msdos?
L292[12:27:01] <S3> and 3.1
L293[12:27:07] <S3> and 2.x and 1.x...
L294[12:27:27] <Inari> Temia: https://twitter.com/BirdsThoCo/status/999096332366241793
L295[12:27:27] <MichiBot> Tue May 22 20:15:02 CDT 2018 @BirdsThoCo: ? https://t.co/kuESn4GQWj
L296[12:32:08] <S3> AHAHA
L297[12:32:17] <S3> Inari: that your bird?
L298[12:37:51] <Inari> No
L299[12:40:12] <Inari> https://gist.github.com/lelandbatey/8677901 thats cool
L300[12:44:37] <S3> Yeah I actually took a DIP class last semester Inari where we had to write the algorithms to do that by hand
L301[12:44:40] <S3> it's really cool stuff
L302[12:45:07] <S3> my final project was about taking pictures of your surrounding 1 pixel tall using ultrasound.
L303[12:45:38] <S3> and using those techniques to clean up the view of where you were then using a* to calculate movement
L304[12:48:58] <Inari> Talking of algorithms, I wonder how I'd calculate hte percentage of a number in relation to another number going digit-by-digit. Just division liek you do it in grade school?
L305[12:57:50] <S3> omg Inari every time I have to do this I have to reinvent it XD
L306[12:57:52] <S3> don't you?
L307[12:58:02] <Inari> Hm?
L308[12:58:25] <S3> well I do know that you can do n1 / n2 and it will give you a percentage of that..
L309[12:58:51] <S3> lek if you get a test that says 15/24 questions correct
L310[12:59:04] <S3> thats a 62.5 because 0.625
L311[12:59:55] <S3> I've been having a brain fart about how to take a number and get a decimal point of 360 degrees..
L312[13:00:04] <S3> but neve rhave it go over one, just loop around
L313[13:00:15] <S3> modulo is always a whole number, I need a decimal
L314[13:01:52] <S3> here's what I need to do, I need to take a hash like sha 256 and convert it into a number between 0 and 360. maybe Izaya knows what to do or Skye
L315[13:01:55] <S3> but it can't be whole
L316[13:01:59] <S3> it needs to be a decimal
L317[13:03:52] <Skye> S3, (a) why (b) how many decimal places
L318[13:04:44] <S3> a) because I'm increasing bucket count, avoiding collisions. b) as many as it wants
L319[13:04:54] <S3> in Lua, all numbers are floating point iirc
L320[13:04:55] <ben_mkiv> for some operations you get decimals by doing something like operation(var * 1000) / 1000
L321[13:05:00] <S3> so there's no issue by using it
L322[13:05:27] <S3> oh yeah the scaling!
L323[13:05:29] <S3> that's right
L324[13:05:35] <S3> I had to do that with histograms
L325[13:05:38] <Skye> S3, so 32 bit floats? :P
L326[13:05:47] <S3> Not sure, what's lua on OC use?
L327[13:05:51] <S3> is it all 32 bit?
L328[13:05:56] <Skye> lua is at least 32 bit floats
L329[13:06:00] <S3> ok
L330[13:06:04] <S3> tbh I'll get what I can get
L331[13:06:04] <Skye> sometimes more
L332[13:06:07] <Skye> but don't risk it
L333[13:06:10] <S3> so I can do ...
L334[13:06:18] <Skye> tbh
L335[13:06:22] <Skye> due to how floats scale
L336[13:06:29] <Skye> you don't need a decimal
L337[13:06:42] <Skye> you can use a whole number
L338[13:06:48] <Skye> ironically, it's less than 32 bit ints
L339[13:06:59] <S3> (sha256(filename) * 360) / 360
L340[13:07:07] <S3> Skye: consistent hashing usually uses a decimal
L341[13:07:19] <S3> it vastly decreases the chance a collission will ever happen
L342[13:07:45] <Skye> wat
L343[13:08:01] <Skye> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-precision_floating-point_format#Precision_limits_on_integer_values
L344[13:08:10] <Skye> you could use negative values
L345[13:08:43] <S3> another way I could do it is hard set a maximum ammount of destination nodes
L346[13:08:50] <S3> however one challenge is this
L347[13:09:00] <S3> it needs to be circular
L348[13:09:36] <Skye> ah
L349[13:09:41] <Skye> aarhg
L350[13:09:49] <Skye> the result of the hash is not a number though
L351[13:09:50] <S3> if I use whole numbers, then the problem becomes, I have to think about what the maximyum number of nodes to support should be
L352[13:09:50] <Skye> x_x
L353[13:09:56] <S3> I could just use 360 of them
L354[13:10:02] <S3> think 360 nodes in OC is enough?
L355[13:10:03] <Skye> the maximum limit of the storage type
L356[13:10:06] <Skye> >_<
L357[13:10:11] <Skye> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-precision_floating-point_format#Precision_limits_on_integer_values
L358[13:10:18] <Skye> those are you limits
L359[13:10:29] <S3> the result of a hash is a number..
L360[13:10:39] <S3> it's just not the way you wish it was a number
L361[13:10:42] <Skye> and that number WILL NOT FIT into a 32 bit float
L362[13:10:48] <Skye> it's gonna be a string
L363[13:10:50] <Skye> of bytes
L364[13:11:02] <S3> this is kind of why I wanted to use pearson hashing
L365[13:11:09] <S3> but Izaya was like no use my sha256
L366[13:11:10] <S3> lol
L367[13:11:39] <Skye> okay.
L368[13:11:40] <Skye> uh
L369[13:11:41] <S3> with pearsing hashing I can dump the output into say a 32 bit number
L370[13:11:45] <S3> then do math with it directly
L371[13:11:51] <S3> I can use whole numbers still
L372[13:11:52] <Skye> it's not a 32-bit number
L373[13:11:57] <S3> what isn't
L374[13:11:58] <Skye> it's a 32-bit float .-.
L375[13:12:02] <S3> forget floats
L376[13:12:09] <Skye> Lua always uses floats
L377[13:12:12] <Skye> except 5.3
L378[13:12:14] <S3> oh yeah
L379[13:13:03] <S3> looks like it can handle about 24 bit numbers just fine
L380[13:13:08] <Skye> it's a 24-bit number basically
L381[13:13:11] <Skye> which is...
L382[13:13:13] <S3> I can do that too
L383[13:13:21] <S3> pearson hashing is still low collision with that
L384[13:13:35] <Skye> technically though
L385[13:13:38] <S3> plus, my filesystem handles collisions!
L386[13:13:45] <Skye> it's 23-bits + sign
L387[13:13:49] <Skye> so be careful
L388[13:13:52] <S3> hmm
L389[13:13:55] <S3> experimentation needed :D
L390[13:14:31] <S3> what happens in 5.3?
L391[13:14:36] <Skye> 64-bit ints
L392[13:14:40] <S3> OC has 5.3
L393[13:14:48] <Skye> but is 5.2 by default
L394[13:14:54] <S3> hmm but that requires a 64 bit machine right? or does it handle it in 32 bit with multiplexing?
L395[13:15:06] <S3> yeah but you can shift click it or something
L396[13:15:17] <Skye> do you want to force 5.2
L397[13:15:27] <Skye> oh
L398[13:15:29] <Skye> sometimes 32-bit ints
L399[13:15:34] <Skye> sometimes 32-bit floats
L400[13:15:35] <Skye> :D
L401[13:15:37] <S3> I wouldn't mind forcing 5.3 really, I mean I have never needed to require myself 5.2?
L402[13:16:19] <S3> I can even possibly detect 5.2
L403[13:16:32] <S3> and panic and print saying "Lua 5.3 required."
L404[13:16:36] <Skye> what is wrong with 24 bits ;)
L405[13:16:40] <S3> nothing
L406[13:17:00] <Forecaster> it's not the answer to life, the universe and everything D:
L407[13:17:08] <S3> No it's not.
L408[13:17:18] <S3> Read the damn book
L409[13:17:20] <S3> :D
L410[13:17:45] <Skye> idea
L411[13:17:55] <Skye> take the first n bytes of the sha hash
L412[13:17:56] <Skye> uh hold on
L413[13:18:17] <Forecaster> but I have read the book
L414[13:18:40] <Skye> sha[1] + (sha[2] * 256) + (sha[3] * 65536)
L415[13:18:41] <S3> have you ever watched the tv series from the 60s or whatever?
L416[13:18:44] <S3> it's great
L417[13:18:44] <Skye> done
L418[13:18:49] <Forecaster> nope
L419[13:18:49] <S3> follows the book closely
L420[13:19:08] <S3> dafuq you doing Skye
L421[13:19:14] <Skye> ;)
L422[13:20:03] <S3> Anyways, here's what I can do
L423[13:20:20] <Skye> string.byte(hash, 1,1) + (string.byte(hash,2,2) * 256) + (string.byte(hash,3,3) * 65536)
L424[13:20:21] <Skye> done
L425[13:20:26] <Skye> that's your 24-bit hash
L426[13:20:51] <S3> pearson is much faster I might as well use pearson at that point
L427[13:22:48] <S3> so yeah every cluster can have a set of buckets.. I could make this like 65536. the problem is, I need that number to stay between 1 and 65536( for lua's 1 first index sake)
L428[13:22:54] <S3> and never more than that
L429[13:23:05] <Skye> ah
L430[13:23:08] <Skye> then no - numbers
L431[13:23:14] <S3> no negatives
L432[13:23:47] <S3> the other thing in the back of my head is that when I calculate a bucket, instead of throwing it in the you find the next available (or previous if that's better) table index that has a value
L433[13:24:21] <S3> so for example if I have { 1 = "foo", 10 = "bar", 50 = "this, 100 = "that" } then if I get bucket 74 I should be able to go, "put it in bucket 100
L434[13:24:31] <S3> because 100 is the next one available from 74
L435[13:24:48] <S3> If I get 39 then the next one is 50
L436[13:25:14] <S3> using some circular logic, if I got 101 then I'd get 1 out of it of course.
L437[13:25:24] <S3> or anything above 100 but less than maximum bucket count
L438[13:25:34] <S3> Maybe I can somehow use next or something
L439[13:27:03] <S3> if 7 is nil, I wonder if I can do next(7) to get 10
L440[13:28:15] <S3> %lua a = {10 = "foo", 20 = "bar", 30 = "biz", 40 = "baz" }; print next(a, 17)
L441[13:28:15] <MichiBot> main:1: '}' expected near '='
L442[13:28:18] <S3> oops
L443[13:28:48] <S3> %lua a = {[10] = "foo", [20] = "bar", [30] = "biz", [40] = "baz" }; print next(a, 17)
L444[13:28:48] <MichiBot> main:1: syntax error near 'next'
L445[13:28:58] <S3> k im going to try it out of this becausse meh
L446[13:31:25] <S3> Nope index has to exist
L447[13:36:45] <S3> Skye: I discovered a way to get the filesystem a LOT faster
L448[13:36:57] <S3> fragmented B trees.
L449[13:37:08] <S3> with consistent hashing
L450[13:51:45] <Skye> :o
L451[13:52:19] <S3> you'll see :D
L452[13:54:11] <Forecaster> https://youtu.be/_2LKrwiGFFs
L453[13:54:12] <MichiBot> Choice Paralysis - Too Much of a Good Thing - Extra Credits | length: 9m 26s | Likes: 3,013 Dislikes: 18 Views: 21,816 | by Extra Credits | Published On 23/5/2018
L454[14:10:59] <S3> heh
L455[14:11:13] <S3> except most of the time I complain that restaurant ments don't have enough options
L456[14:11:25] <S3> menus
L457[15:00:28] <Inari> https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/999330489411538945
L458[15:00:28] <MichiBot> Wed May 23 11:45:29 CDT 2018 @davidjoachim: Breaking -->>>
L459[15:06:51] <Inari> AmandaC / gamax92: https://twitter.com/MilesExpress999/status/999380750343393280
L460[15:06:51] <MichiBot> Wed May 23 15:05:13 CDT 2018 @MilesExpress999: yes this is very good https://t.co/0eb2L8WJIp
L461[15:12:48] <AmandaC> Inari: :D
L462[15:17:08] <vifino> Inari: so you are coming? :D
L463[15:17:15] <Inari> vifino: Nope
L464[15:17:19] <vifino> :(
L465[15:17:28] <Inari> I'm unlikely to be at any given event :p
L466[15:17:34] <vifino> but but
L467[15:17:42] <vifino> ~japanese culture~
L468[15:17:44] <Inari> Plus even if I was, I'd probably not meet up with someone from the net xD
L469[15:17:51] <vifino> There's a cat cafe!
L470[15:17:53] <vifino> Ouch.
L471[15:24:06] <Skye> internet safety is important folks
L472[15:28:31] <gerard> No
L473[15:28:39] <gerard> Lolis are important
L474[15:30:21] <Forecaster> yeah but it doesn't necessarily mean "never meet anyone ever"
L475[15:35:52] <Inari> Meet people you met in RL
L476[15:35:53] <Inari> xP
L477[15:37:01] <Forecaster> ...
L478[15:37:15] <Forecaster> but at some point you have to meet them for the first time
L479[15:37:23] <Inari> Yeah
L480[15:37:23] <Forecaster> upon which they can just stab you
L481[15:37:30] <Inari> When you're out and about and meet someone in RL
L482[15:37:31] <Inari> \o/
L483[15:38:01] <Forecaster> how is it different if you talk to them on the internet first?
L484[15:38:32] <Inari> Dunno, just is. You meet RL people and meet them in RL. You meet internet peoplea nd meet them in the net xD
L485[15:38:48] <Forecaster> ...okay, "just is"
L486[15:38:56] <Forecaster> great answer, you sure convinced me :P
L487[15:39:17] <Inari> Well, I don't need to convince you of my personal policies
L488[15:40:03] <Forecaster> %s/personal policies/irrational fears/
L489[15:40:03] <MichiBot> <Inari> Well, I don't need to convince you of my irrational fears
L490[15:40:13] <Forecaster> no you don't
L491[15:40:40] <Inari> %actualshrug
L492[15:40:40] <MichiBot> Inari: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L493[15:41:39] <Forecaster> but I wanted to see if you had an actual reason for it or not
L494[15:44:04] <Inari> Separating RL people and net people for additional safety. Decrease private/identifiable information on the net to make it harder for someone to track it down if they tried, and so on
L495[15:45:38] <Forecaster> sure...
L496[15:46:19] <Inari> Just seems normal and what one is taught xD
L497[15:46:31] <Forecaster> no, it doesn't
L498[15:46:38] <Forecaster> or well, yeah
L499[15:46:41] <Inari> Maybe not in your area
L500[15:46:53] <Forecaster> if you're taught by a parent who thinks "oh no the internet how scary"
L501[15:48:32] <Forecaster> you obviously shouldn't go meet up with just anyone off the internet, just like how you shouldn't just pick someone off of an ad in a paper and meet up with them
L502[15:49:08] <Forecaster> but at the same time thinking that you can't meet *anyone* from the internet is equally stupid
L503[16:00:22] <S3> I was taught by a paret who said, "Look! we can get things if we dial this telephone number and type in this and that and enable serial file transfer!
L504[16:00:31] <S3> we had the Internet before the Internet
L505[16:00:56] <S3> then I remember the day AOL came out and my dad got AOL pretty much as fast as he could get it
L506[16:01:15] <S3> but shortly after that he ditched AOL for some toll call dialup service in CA
L507[16:01:38] <S3> because it was cheaper to make a toll call and use dialup than it was to have AOL do it for you
L508[16:01:39] <20kdc> AmandaC: regarding the KittenOS NEO compression: Important parts of the overhead (~24 lines?) are due to a rather bad case of "oh whoops I did have values > 127 after all". Of course, in KittenOS NEO's case, getting rid of this assumption worsens things because it's true for the most part, and the overhead isn't exactly much. In your case, if you don't particularly have any bytes > 127...
L509[16:02:22] <S3> 20kdc Trotwood is going to terrify you :D
L510[16:02:46] <20kdc> S3: Trotwood?
L511[16:02:58] <S3> Trotwood! my OS
L512[16:03:06] <20kdc> Ah
L513[16:03:10] <20kdc> ...why is it going to terrify me
L514[16:04:01] <S3> because it makes no sense to run it on one computer :D
L515[16:04:27] <20kdc> sounds fun
L516[16:04:27] <S3> you will never be satisfied until you have the maximum number of computers on one LAN cable attached
L517[16:04:28] <S3> :D
L518[16:04:36] <Skye> how will it work
L519[16:04:45] <S3> The actor model!
L520[16:04:50] <S3> which is up and running
L521[16:04:51] <Skye> how will it communicate
L522[16:05:00] <S3> Skye: how do you think my FS works?
L523[16:05:09] <Skye> network?
L524[16:05:29] <S3> yeah so it uses broadcast messages to send jobs when they're needed.
L525[16:05:39] <S3> the cluster "talks to itself"
L526[16:05:51] <S3> to nobody in particular
L527[16:06:03] <S3> unless it knows exactly where its going of course
L528[16:08:29] <S3> Skye: it's kinda neat. every process has a PID less than 0
L529[16:08:32] <S3> er
L530[16:08:35] <S3> less than 1 sorry
L531[16:08:48] <S3> so for example, process 0.264
L532[16:09:10] <S3> there's a max cap that is recommended to be in increments of whole digits, and defaults to 1000 processes per node.
L533[16:09:19] <S3> so 0.001 to 0.999 is acceptable
L534[16:09:24] <Skye> o.o
L535[16:09:50] <S3> the 0 is very important
L536[16:09:56] <S3> no process can be pid 0
L537[16:10:11] <S3> Skye: there's something that makes matters terrifying :D
L538[16:10:18] <Skye> that's not 1000
L539[16:10:23] <Skye> that's... 999
L540[16:10:24] <Skye> >_<
L541[16:10:26] <S3> Skye: imagine you send a syncronous message to some process somewhere
L542[16:10:30] <S3> Skye: round it up
L543[16:10:49] <Skye> ¬_¬
L544[16:11:24] <20kdc> why not use 0.000
L545[16:12:51] <Skye> ¬_¬
L546[16:14:11] <S3> iirc it casued undefined behavior
L547[16:14:41] <S3> anyways, had people come in my door- so if you send a sync message to some process somewhere in the cluster and lets say it returned a pid of some process it wanted you to send something to
L548[16:14:53] <S3> you may get a pid that looks like this: 3.14
L549[16:15:22] <S3> or to prevent confusion, 3.014
L550[16:15:32] <S3> ignore the 3.14
L551[16:15:47] <S3> but that's the terrifying part
L552[16:15:56] <S3> that PID is > 1!
L553[16:16:30] <20kdc> ...and?
L554[16:16:33] <20kdc> That's not terrifying.
L555[16:16:41] <S3> well I just said all PIDs are < 1
L556[16:16:44] <S3> because they are
L557[16:16:58] <20kdc> No, you said all PIDs within a machine are < 1.
L558[16:16:59] <S3> that PID that's 3.014 is still < 1
L559[16:17:04] <S3> oh shit
L560[16:17:09] <S3> 20kdc is smart
L561[16:17:16] <S3> he knows exactly what I'm getting at
L562[16:17:26] <S3> in this case, the 3 is the node ID
L563[16:17:58] <S3> the internal mailbox router that sends actor messages knows when a message needs to go through the network router when the PID is >= 1
L564[16:18:15] <Skye> what protocol will this be?
L565[16:18:40] <S3> Well we have options.
L566[16:19:05] <Skye> huh?
L567[16:19:15] <S3> there's a pure Lua port of msgpack I can use for serializing messages perhaps
L568[16:19:38] <S3> but the protocol will be extremely simple in terms of identification of what the packet does
L569[16:19:55] <S3> each node in the cluster keeps track of its neighbors
L570[16:20:00] <S3> so it can turn node IDs into UUIDs
L571[16:20:20] <S3> as in network card UUIDs or something
L572[16:20:28] <S3> addresses to send to
L573[16:20:40] <Skye> so a custom protocol?
L574[16:20:43] <S3> yes
L575[16:20:51] <S3> an extremely limited and simple custom protocol
L576[16:21:00] <S3> to start I will probably just stringify tables
L577[16:21:17] <S3> but msgpack would be easiest..
L578[16:21:21] <Skye> so it'll be direct over OC networks?
L579[16:21:35] <S3> yes. there's broadcast messages too..
L580[16:21:47] <S3> so the filesystem is special in that regard
L581[16:21:51] <S3> the filesystem uses broadcasts
L582[16:21:58] <Skye> huh
L583[16:22:00] <Skye> neat
L584[16:22:02] <S3> it broacasts a message over the network and so do you when you do stuff
L585[16:22:06] <S3> so you could have a NAS
L586[16:22:09] <Skye> what about external interfaces
L587[16:22:16] <S3> and all you do is send a broadcast message saying "I want to open /etc/fstab"
L588[16:22:34] <S3> what kind of external interfaces?
L589[16:23:06] <Skye> to other computers and stuff
L590[16:23:09] <Skye> and OSes
L591[16:23:47] <S3> Yeah I'm thinking of writing NAS drivers for my filesystem if you want to use the OS for a NAS or something, but at the same time, here's the super terrifying idea; I may be able to run OpenOS on top of it
L592[16:23:57] <S3> so that you can have your familiar interface
L593[16:24:18] <S3> oh wait you mea like, over an Internet card?
L594[16:24:21] <S3> Skye: ^
L595[16:24:27] <20kdc> wait, running OpenOS on top of stuff? That's part of *my* evil plans!
L596[16:24:34] <20kdc> Flip! I have to beat you to the evil plan!
L597[16:24:37] <Skye> and Izaya's
L598[16:24:42] <Skye> and mine actually
L599[16:24:42] <S3> rofl
L600[16:24:43] <Skye> :3
L601[16:24:49] <Skye> I already ran OpenOS on MiniOS
L602[16:24:54] <Skye> I win
L603[16:24:58] <20kdc> Skye wins
L604[16:25:00] <20kdc> all hail Skye
L605[16:25:02] <S3> with my OS you can literally sit penOS on top of it and have infinite disk space
L606[16:25:03] <Corded> * <20kdc> bows
L607[16:25:06] <S3> well not really but infinite to us
L608[16:25:32] <Skye> I ran it before other OSes even existed IIRC
L609[16:25:33] <Skye> :D
L610[16:34:03] <AmandaC> %choose feels S first or feels T first
L611[16:34:03] <MichiBot> AmandaC: feels T first
L612[16:57:07] <Inari> vifino: Looking for nintendo switch on eBay
L613[16:57:19] <Inari> One entry's title: "Nintendo Schalter"
L614[17:06:25] <AmandaC> %choose computer or not so computer
L615[17:06:25] <MichiBot> AmandaC: not so computer
L616[17:26:43] <S3> ok guys
L617[17:26:56] <S3> the terrifyingness
L618[17:27:35] ⇦ Quits: Backslash (Backslash!~Backslash@ip-94-114-162-224.unity-media.net) (Quit: Leaving)
L619[17:31:07] <S3> https://imgur.com/a/kZPvLpn
L620[17:31:11] <S3> Have a look at that, Skye
L621[17:31:13] <S3> :D
L622[17:35:01] <Izaya> man I need to get a whiteboard or something
L623[17:35:15] <S3> i used to have an 8 foot chaulk boar
L624[17:35:17] <S3> board*
L625[17:35:26] <S3> Izaya: That's my OS actor model tree
L626[17:35:34] <S3> every circle is a process
L627[17:35:44] <S3> every S is a sueprvisor, it does noting but watch other processes, W are workers.
L628[17:51:57] <Z0idburg> some to get on the mic
L629[17:52:02] <Z0idburg> and blast music
L630[17:52:52] <Izaya> aw shit
L631[17:52:59] <Izaya> got an oil leak
L632[17:53:22] <Z0idburg> wut
L633[17:53:31] <Z0idburg> in your car?
L634[17:53:37] <Izaya> yeah
L635[17:53:42] <Izaya> hey is it safe to apply duct tape or
L636[17:53:43] <Z0idburg> high mileage penzoil may slow it down
L637[17:53:47] <Z0idburg> if its small
L638[17:53:55] <Z0idburg> it causes all the gaskets to swell up in the engine
L639[17:55:25] <Izaya> alright
L640[18:02:39] <S3> Izaya: I wouldn't use duct tape
L641[18:02:41] <S3> at all
L642[18:02:46] <S3> engines get really fucking hot
L643[18:02:52] <Izaya> and that'll burn?
L644[18:02:57] <S3> that's going to just fall off or become a puddle
L645[18:02:59] <S3> burning isnt the issue
L646[18:03:02] <Izaya> ah
L647[18:03:07] <Izaya> effectively useless
L648[18:03:14] <S3> where is the leak?
L649[18:03:29] <Izaya> unsure
L650[18:04:25] <S3> I mean technically speaking Izaya
L651[18:04:39] <S3> if you were to pour oil on top of the engine manifold while it was running
L652[18:04:47] <S3> the engine is hot enough to catch the oil on fire
L653[18:04:57] <S3> usually
L654[18:05:04] <Izaya> o.o
L655[18:05:05] <S3> so yeah, I mean imagine duct taping that
L656[18:05:23] <S3> I can't remember what the average operating temp of an engine is warmed up
L657[18:05:36] <Izaya> hey S3 what's your opinion on electric cars?
L658[18:06:09] <S3> They're cool. But I do prefer gasoline
L659[18:06:19] <Mimiru> \o/
L660[18:06:34] <S3> Also I know this guy at work who has an electric car and I asked how long it takes to charge
L661[18:06:34] <Mimiru> Assuming my background check comes back in time, I'll have a job Friday, and start training Sunday.
L662[18:07:01] <S3> and he told me he gets like 300 miles per "tank" per say which is normal, but he says that he can charge it at work for 8 hours and get 50 - 80 miles out of it
L663[18:07:06] <S3> which si depressing
L664[18:07:14] <Izaya> alright got some oil to top it up till we can get it properly repaired
L665[18:07:16] <S3> Mimiru: why are we all getting jobs?!
L666[18:07:21] <S3> I just got offered one starting tuesday :D
L667[18:07:33] <Forecaster> Batteries suck
L668[18:07:43] <S3> Izaya: how bad is it?
L669[18:07:43] <Izaya> tfw 'freelance' 'computer' 'repair' 'technician'
L670[18:07:56] <S3> because you really don't want to drive with a leak if you can help it
L671[18:08:50] <Izaya> don't really have anything to compare it to
L672[18:09:06] <S3> I see
L673[18:09:09] <S3> got abanana?
L674[18:09:11] <S3> lol jk
L675[18:10:19] <S3> Izaya: you may be super lucky
L676[18:10:32] <S3> Izaya: is yuor car cooled down? I'd check the oil pan and the drain plug
L677[18:10:38] <S3> it could be just the stupid drain plug
L678[18:10:39] <Mimiru> Gratz S3
L679[18:10:53] <S3> if not it could be a pan gasket
L680[18:11:13] <Izaya> I really need to look into a service manual for this thing
L681[18:11:36] <Izaya> I don't know much about cars and stuff
L682[18:12:08] <S3> well whatever you do you want to ensure the car is cool
L683[18:12:10] <S3> it takes a while
L684[18:12:14] <S3> my Jeep takes like 45 minutes
L685[18:12:20] <S3> but its also a v6
L686[18:14:42] <AmandaC> %choose computer or no
L687[18:14:43] <MichiBot> AmandaC: computer
L688[18:14:45] <AmandaC> Hrm
L689[18:15:07] <AmandaC> %choose maybe code or maybe game
L690[18:15:07] <MichiBot> AmandaC: maybe code
L691[18:15:16] <AmandaC> Sounds good I guess
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L693[18:26:04] <S3> Mimiru: yep I get to bother infina all day
L694[18:26:18] <infina> Just found out that S3 starts working at the desk next to me on Tuesday...
L695[18:26:25] <S3> XD
L696[18:26:51] <Izaya> :D
L697[18:28:23] <Mimiru> I'm so sorry.
L698[18:29:27] <AmandaC> infina: time to skip town and steal a new identity
L699[18:29:45] <Mimiru> ^
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L701[18:50:08] <Izaya> the leak is not oil
L702[18:50:22] <Izaya> well, it's power steering fluid
L703[18:50:24] <Izaya> which may be oil
L704[18:50:30] <Izaya> but it's not oil for in the engine
L705[18:52:38] <Mimiru> Hydraulic oil :P
L706[18:53:33] <Izaya> that makes sense
L707[18:53:45] <Izaya> but because it's a ford it uses special stuff instead of the same stuff as everything else
L708[18:56:09] <S3> Oh shit
L709[18:56:31] <S3> well are you really strong?
L710[18:59:15] <S3> infina: It's too bad that they don't make adaptors for your steering wheel to have a giant steering wheel like the old cars had
L711[18:59:18] <S3> without power steering
L712[19:00:08] <S3> http://www.truckinginfo.com/fc_images/blogs/l-img-0995.jpg
L713[19:00:19] <S3> oh yeah Izaya *
L714[19:00:54] <Izaya> apparently it's a real bad idea to use it without
L715[19:01:08] <Izaya> they're not designed to be used without the stuff
L716[19:01:43] <Izaya> as for cars without power steering, I learned in an 80s Hilux and it didn't have power steering
L717[19:01:58] <Izaya> or aircon or interior lights or electic windows
L718[19:02:08] <Izaya> which admittedly is kinda nice electric windows are a PITA
L719[19:04:10] <S3> well the problem is you're moving the rack as well as the parts that move it
L720[19:04:22] <S3> so you're feeding back energy into the system
L721[19:05:30] <S3> so if a small gear moves a big gear onto the rack control for assist, then when you turn the steering wheel without the assist you're turning a small gear with qa big gear not just the rack, which is applying lots of torque onto the small gear
L722[19:05:35] <S3> just an example
L723[19:05:58] <S3> some of those systems are only designs for forces moving in one direction
L724[19:06:31] <S3> I prefer crank windows
L725[19:06:36] <S3> but I have electric in mine
L726[19:06:56] <S3> my father's car from 1974 had electric windows btw :D
L727[19:07:03] <S3> they had these giant ass motors to operate them
L728[19:07:05] <S3> and they were loud
L729[19:07:20] <S3> sounded like an industrial crane moving when they were moving
L730[19:07:21] <S3> :D
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L740[23:36:25] <slyjester> Hey anyone around?
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