L1[00:17:53] <gamax92> Hello there.
L2[00:19:29] <Mimiru> o/ gamax92
L3[00:20:40] 
<Forecaster>
I for one look forward to when the Illuminati outlaws IRC across
the globe
<Forecaster>
I for one look forward to when the Illuminati outlaws IRC across
the globeL4[00:21:10] <gamax92> life's been stabbing
me pretty hard, so I'm taking a break from stuff and going to try
being more active here
L5[00:21:46] <Mimiru> :(
L6[00:21:50] * Mimiru
hugs gamax92
L7[00:22:00] *
gamax92 hugs Mimiru
L8[00:22:03] <Xal> Forecaster: I fear you're
too far gone :P
L9[00:22:32] <Forecaster>
I'm right there though
<Forecaster>
I'm right there thoughL10[00:23:32] <Xal> When I use discord, I
just cut out the middle man and have a script send all my messages
to the FBI "send an anonymous tip" form
L11[00:24:45] <gamax92> Mimiru: how do I
set a reminder for a certain day again?
L12[00:25:07] <Mimiru> %remind me 12d do
the thing
L13[00:25:12] <Mimiru> %remindme 12d do the
thing
L14[00:25:12] <MichiBot> I'll remind you
about "do the thing" at 05/05/2018 12:25:12 AM
L15[00:25:55] <Xal> %remindme 10e999y watch
a proton decay
L16[00:26:01] <Xal> darn
L17[00:26:04] <gamax92> lol
L18[00:38:13] <payonel> gamax92: o/ it's
good to see you :)
L19[00:41:09] <gamax92> Hey payonel
L20[00:41:58] <Izaya> o/
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L23[00:49:34] zsh
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L24[00:49:40] <Mimiru> Test
L25[00:49:47] <Mimiru> yay avatar.
L26[00:54:59] <Wuerfel_21>
I see, Corded got an upgrade...
<Wuerfel_21>
I see, Corded got an upgrade...L27[00:55:08] <Mimiru> Little bit
L28[00:56:31] <Mimiru> Corded now uses
webhooks for sending messages if one is available in the
channel
L29[00:57:22] <Mimiru> the
old method still works too for channels without webhooks
<Mimiru> the
old method still works too for channels without webhooksL30[01:04:32] <Wuerfel_21>
Kewl
<Wuerfel_21>
KewlL31[01:13:37] <Forecaster>
but now we have to get used to the names not being in front of the
messages anymore :O
<Forecaster>
but now we have to get used to the names not being in front of the
messages anymore :OL32[01:22:35] <Mimiru> lol
L33[01:23:17] <Mimiru> This should be less
confusing for newcomers though
L34[01:23:53] <Mimiru> Until they think
everyone is a bot lmao
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L37[01:33:36] zsh
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L38[01:33:51] <Wuerfel_21>
DESTROY THE HUMANOID
<Wuerfel_21>
DESTROY THE HUMANOIDL39[01:33:54] <Mimiru> There, and now it
looks for a Webhook named "Corded" and not just *ANY*
webhook, to make sure you WANT it to be used.
L40[01:43:49] <Forecaster>
\o/
<Forecaster>
\o/L41[01:44:17] <Forecaster>
now if only you could do that on the irc side too
<Forecaster>
now if only you could do that on the irc side tooL42[01:44:32] <Forecaster>
so new people there wouldn't see corded either
<Forecaster>
so new people there wouldn't see corded eitherL43[01:45:29] <Izaya> I don't think esper
would be happy about that
L44[01:45:41] <Izaya> also, what happens
when corded restarts?
L45[01:46:17] <Mimiru> Izaya?
L46[01:46:37] <Izaya> a connection for
every discord user to here
L47[01:46:42] <Mimiru> Oh
L48[01:46:45] <Mimiru> lol, yeaaaaah
L49[01:46:59] <Mimiru> sorry I'm really
tired...
L50[01:47:04] <Izaya> I think they limit to
5 connections from one IP to here for a start
L51[01:47:11] <Izaya> though you have a
significant bouncer so
L52[01:47:25] <gamax92> boing
L53[01:47:37] <Izaya> still
L54[01:47:48] <Izaya> esper would not be
happy
L55[01:47:54] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL56[01:48:08] <Forecaster>
nick change before each message!
<Forecaster>
nick change before each message!L57[01:48:10] <Izaya> should just encourage
people to use IRC instead :^)
L58[01:48:27] *
Mimiru stabs @Forecaster
L59[01:48:38] *
Izaya squints
L60[01:48:38] <Forecaster>
ohno
<Forecaster>
ohnoL61[01:48:40] <Izaya> That...
L62[01:48:48] <Izaya> Well, it'd work, I
guess.
L63[01:48:48] <gamax92> Oh huh, a busybox
update
L64[01:49:21] <Forecaster>
well, if someone has nick-changes on it'd get really spammy
:P
<Forecaster>
well, if someone has nick-changes on it'd get really spammy
:PL65[01:49:42] <Forecaster>
for those that don't filter out nick change messages that is
<Forecaster>
for those that don't filter out nick change messages that isL66[01:52:59] ⇨
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L67[01:54:25] <gamax92> I need to find a
new rom for my phone
L68[01:55:05] <Inari> s/ro/roo
L69[01:55:05] <MichiBot> <gamax92> I
need to find a new room for my phone
L70[01:55:37] <Inari> Today: gamax92's
phone transformed into a cute anime girl
L71[01:56:16] <gamax92> Ohai Inari
L72[01:56:36] <Inari> Yaho
L73[01:57:18] <Forecaster>
%moo ^
<Forecaster>
%moo ^L74[01:57:18] <MichiBot> Yahoo
L75[02:31:57] <Saphire> %moo ^
L76[02:31:57] <MichiBot> Yahoooo
L77[02:32:02] <Saphire> %moo ^
L78[02:32:02] <MichiBot> Yahoooooooo
L79[02:32:05] <Saphire> %moo ^
L80[02:32:05] <MichiBot>
Yahoooooooooooooooo
L81[02:32:19] <Saphire> ...Eh, okay, I get
it now
L82[02:32:52] <Forecaster>
it just adds an "o" to each group of "o"s
:P
<Forecaster>
it just adds an "o" to each group of "o"s
:PL83[02:33:19] <Izaya> s/o/oo/
L84[02:33:19] <MichiBot> <Forecaster>
it just adds an "oo" to each group of "o"s
:P
L85[02:33:26] <Izaya> s/o/oo/g
L86[02:33:26] <MichiBot> <Forecaster>
it just adds an "oooo" too each grooup oof
"oo"s :P
L87[02:33:47] <Forecaster>
%moo it just adds an "o" to each group of "o"s
:P
<Forecaster>
%moo it just adds an "o" to each group of "o"s
:PL88[02:33:47] <MichiBot> it joost adds an
"oo" too each groooop oof "oo"s :P
L89[02:34:01] <Forecaster>
oh right, and replaces "u" with "oo"
<Forecaster>
oh right, and replaces "u" with "oo"L90[02:34:46] <Forecaster>
%help moo
<Forecaster>
%help mooL91[02:34:52] <Forecaster>
darn
<Forecaster>
darnL92[02:43:21] ⇨
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L93[02:50:10] <Saphire> s/da/ba/
L94[02:50:11] <MichiBot> <Forecaster>
barn
L95[03:11:42] <Inari> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/343098286187741187/437886149831426054/So-sweet.jpg
L96[03:51:03] <Forecaster>
"barn" means "children" in swedish
<Forecaster>
"barn" means "children" in swedishL97[03:52:11] ⇦
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L98[03:52:17] <Forecaster>
%shell
<Forecaster>
%shellL99[03:52:18] *
MichiBot loads a golden boy into a shell and fires it. It strikes
the ground near infina, Renari and Patchi. They each take 9, 8 and
9 splash damage respectively.
L100[03:59:47] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbTdSMmV4AE-Ws9.jpg:large
L102[04:18:13] <Forecaster>
Current steam installer
<Forecaster>
Current steam installerL103[04:32:51] <Inari> Did you just DL the
steam installer? :P
L104[04:34:47] <Inari> Oh, Sangar did take
part in LD
L105[04:42:34] <Forecaster>
yes
<Forecaster>
yesL106[04:58:07]
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L108[05:05:29] <20kdc>
AmandaC: The first and second arguments passed to your process's
function are the parent app name and parent PID respectively. Other
arguments are those supplied by the parent.
<20kdc>
AmandaC: The first and second arguments passed to your process's
function are the parent app name and parent PID respectively. Other
arguments are those supplied by the parent.L109[05:27:53] <Izaya> ohey @20kdc
L110[05:28:19] <Izaya> you were talking
about logging
L111[05:28:35] <Izaya> may I suggest
having the log accessible from the system itself, perhaps as an
event or file somewhere?
L112[05:30:05] <20kdc> I'll
add an event, not that it'll particularly help boot debug
<20kdc> I'll
add an event, not that it'll particularly help boot debugL113[05:30:43] <Izaya> Aye. I'm thinking
mostly for application development.
L114[05:30:57] <Izaya> It's nice to be
able to neo.emergency() and if I can have a thing for watching logs
that'd be v. convenient
L115[05:35:30] <Izaya> Oh, should I make a
PR with just my launcher stuff or should I add Minitel to it
first?
L116[05:45:15] <Skye> Izaya, do they
depend on each other
L117[05:45:17] <Corded> * <20kdc>
looks at horrifying licensing mess
L118[05:45:37] <Izaya> Skye: no, launchers
are separate to each other and minitel
L119[05:45:38] <20kdc> I
have no idea
<20kdc> I
have no ideaL120[05:46:00] <Izaya> minitel stack is
also independent and includes only a service and library
L121[05:46:26] <Skye> then PR the
launcher
L122[05:46:38] <Izaya> oh also, I think I
asked this before but are there any changes coming in R2 that will
possibly break minitel?
L123[05:46:52] <Izaya> or alternatively
introduce ways to make it better?
L124[05:47:14] <20kdc> None
that I know of that would break it, and there is service autostart
for making it better
<20kdc> None
that I know of that would break it, and there is service autostart
for making it betterL125[05:47:35] <Izaya> so the service
autostart thing is so users no longer need to set
run.svc-minitel=yes, right?
L126[05:47:43] <20kdc>
yup
<20kdc>
yupL127[05:47:49] *
Izaya nods
L128[05:47:51] <Izaya> Nice :D
L129[05:49:53] <Izaya> still, minitel is
most useful when run at boot, but it'll be nice for more
constrained machines
L130[05:51:11] <20kdc>
...the thing I'm most concerned about is redrafting the licensing
structure to something that isn't going to get me sued
<20kdc>
...the thing I'm most concerned about is redrafting the licensing
structure to something that isn't going to get me suedL131[05:52:00] <20kdc> the
repository *really* isn't structured well to handle a
"distribute this with the program" license
<20kdc> the
repository *really* isn't structured well to handle a
"distribute this with the program" licenseL132[05:58:03] <Izaya> may I suggest
having a docs subdir with licenses, and each file can have which
license it's under?
L133[05:58:23] <Izaya> so you can depend
on the MIT license, or if you have a custom one, place your own in
there?
L134[05:59:18] <Izaya> that way you don't
end up with like 800 copies of the same file across the
system
L135[06:00:07] <Izaya> it also satisfies
the 'distribute with' requirement
L136[06:02:25] <20kdc>
well, that was the plan - a "licensing" package that
contains every license ever for the repository.
<20kdc>
well, that was the plan - a "licensing" package that
contains every license ever for the repository.L137[06:02:52] <20kdc> the
problem is that it doesn't get automatically distributed.
<20kdc> the
problem is that it doesn't get automatically distributed.L138[06:03:20] <Izaya> hence having
separate license packages and having stuff depend on the license it
uses
L139[06:05:37] <20kdc> that
leads to a new problem - there being a gazillion different license
packages
<20kdc> that
leads to a new problem - there being a gazillion different license
packagesL140[06:06:04] <Izaya> True enough.
L141[06:06:57] <20kdc> and
the "repo-authors" file is common to all packages
<20kdc> and
the "repo-authors" file is common to all packagesL142[06:08:25] <20kdc>
basically, until I have a solution to this I can either just say
"f\*\*\* it" and just refuse any PRs that make this an
issue, or I can nuke CLAW.
<20kdc>
basically, until I have a solution to this I can either just say
"f\*\*\* it" and just refuse any PRs that make this an
issue, or I can nuke CLAW.L143[06:08:55] <Izaya> Fun times.
L144[06:09:13] <Izaya> Well, I'll PR the
stuff I've PD licensed and we'll figure out what to do with other
licenses, I guess.
L145[06:09:59] <20kdc>
still doesn't fix the repo-authors file problem, unless that
becomes a directory
<20kdc>
still doesn't fix the repo-authors file problem, unless that
becomes a directoryL146[06:16:17] ***
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L147[06:16:55] <Forecaster>
%shell
<Forecaster>
%shellL148[06:16:56] *
MichiBot loads ? into a shell and fires it. It strikes Nachtara.
They take 24 damage. Corded and Cruor stood too close and take 11
and 10 damage respectively.
L149[06:17:38] <20kdc>
Corded, why do you change your name so often?
<20kdc>
Corded, why do you change your name so often?L150[06:18:01] <20kdc>
...and you have no profile - whaaa
<20kdc>
...and you have no profile - whaaaL151[06:18:11] <Izaya> Corded is the relay
bot.
L152[06:18:17] <AmandaC> Mimiru added that
last night so that it can impersonate users better
L153[06:18:27] <Izaya> ohey AmandaC
o/
L154[06:18:37] <AmandaC> Shit, I've been
spotted! ~hides~
L155[06:18:38] <20kdc> what
does it do, change username for a split second?
<20kdc> what
does it do, change username for a split second?L156[06:18:52] <AmandaC> I'm not entirely
sure how it works
L157[06:19:15] <Forecaster>
it uses a webhook on the server to send messages with custom
usernames
<Forecaster>
it uses a webhook on the server to send messages with custom
usernamesL158[06:19:26] <Forecaster>
instead of the bots username
<Forecaster>
instead of the bots usernameL159[06:19:36] *
Izaya doesn't even know what the results look like
L161[06:20:06] <Izaya> Not bad.
L162[06:20:50] <Izaya> %choose update pack
or don't update pack
L163[06:20:50] <MichiBot> Izaya: update
pack
L164[06:20:57] <Izaya> guess I'm not
updating the pack
L165[06:22:01] <Izaya> reeee books need
leather now
L166[06:23:00] <AmandaC> Didn't they
always?
L167[06:23:05] <Izaya> No?
L168[06:23:11] <Izaya> Once upon a time it
was just 3 paper
L169[06:23:26] <Izaya> Might have been
pre-1.7 though
L170[06:24:17] <Izaya> 1.3.1 added leather
to the recipe :<
L171[06:26:25] <Izaya> I wonder if there's
a better way of getting leather than killing things :|
L172[06:26:39] <Izaya> Oh. So there
is.
L173[06:26:39] <20kdc> dupe
bugs?
<20kdc> dupe
bugs?L174[06:26:51] <Izaya> Well, a better way
of making books, anyway.
L175[06:27:00] <Izaya> 3 paper, a string,
and two blank patterns.
L176[06:27:02] <Forecaster>
I should update the railcraft and buildcraft relays now so they do
the same thing...
<Forecaster>
I should update the railcraft and buildcraft relays now so they do
the same thing...L177[06:29:04] <Forecaster>
@Mimiru does the webhook need to be named Corded, or is it the name
of the bot it looks for?
<Forecaster>
@Mimiru does the webhook need to be named Corded, or is it the name
of the bot it looks for?L178[06:29:17] <Forecaster>
also do you need to add anything to the config?
<Forecaster>
also do you need to add anything to the config?L179[06:30:15] *
AmandaC adds @Forecaster to the config
L180[06:36:58] <Forecaster>
looks like it looks specifically for "Corded"
<Forecaster>
looks like it looks specifically for "Corded"L181[06:40:33] <Forecaster>
it also always uses the same image... the same one in this
channel...
<Forecaster>
it also always uses the same image... the same one in this
channel...L182[06:41:09] <Forecaster>
I see Mimiru hardcoded it :P
<Forecaster>
I see Mimiru hardcoded it :PL183[06:41:51] <Forecaster>
it'd be great if you could set that image url in the config
instead
<Forecaster>
it'd be great if you could set that image url in the config
insteadL184[06:43:25] <Forecaster>
%inv add config
<Forecaster>
%inv add configL185[06:43:25] *
MichiBot summons 'config' and adds to her inventory. I could get
some good swings in with this.
L186[06:43:33] <Forecaster>
%fling Amanda
<Forecaster>
%fling AmandaL187[06:43:33] *
MichiBot flings pumpkin deodorant in a random direction. It hits
Amanda on a small but very important bone. They take 8
damage.
L188[06:44:28] *
AmandaC collapses into a pile of fluff
L189[06:45:13] <Forecaster>
%s/fl/pumpkin scented fl/
<Forecaster>
%s/fl/pumpkin scented fl/L190[06:45:13] <MichiBot> * AmandaC
collapses into a pile of pumpkin scented fluff
L191[06:45:25] <Izaya> Forgot how much of
a pain farming sugar cane is x_x
L192[06:45:39] <Forecaster>
make a robot/drone do it
<Forecaster>
make a robot/drone do itL193[06:45:48] <Izaya> eh it's not the
harvesting or anything
L194[06:45:57] <Izaya> it's just that you
have to use a fancy pattern to use space efficiently
L195[06:46:02] <20kdc>
...remind me what happened to half the drone documentation
again
<20kdc>
...remind me what happened to half the drone documentation
againL196[06:46:31] <Forecaster>
Amanda sharpened her claws on it
<Forecaster>
Amanda sharpened her claws on itL197[06:46:35] <20kdc>
ah
<20kdc>
ahL198[06:46:41] <AmandaC> @20kdc New-er and
improveder app-lilac-exec: https://nc.ddna.co/index.php/s/qWLaxHCAm5iGj4J
L199[06:47:04] <AmandaC> Though, when
prepparing for that I discovered a bug
L200[06:47:18] *
AmandaC goes to make it so the "Edit" button doesn't
clear the input
L201[06:47:21] <Mimiru>
@Forecaster I’ll make it configable at som point
<Mimiru>
@Forecaster I’ll make it configable at som pointL202[06:47:28] <Forecaster>
great :)
<Forecaster>
great :)L203[06:47:57] <Izaya> Oooh, re-run
:D
L204[06:48:20] <20kdc> I
get the distinct impression that app-lilac-exec is going to take
over the world
<20kdc> I
get the distinct impression that app-lilac-exec is going to take
over the worldL205[06:48:41] <AmandaC> Nah, just
demolish it for a space super-highway
L206[06:49:08] <20kdc> fiar
enough
<20kdc> fiar
enoughL207[06:49:12] <20kdc>
*fair
<20kdc>
*fairL208[06:49:20] <Forecaster>
fire enough
<Forecaster>
fire enoughL209[06:49:35] <20kdc> big
yellow spaceship enough
<20kdc> big
yellow spaceship enoughL210[06:49:58] <Mimiru>
It’s 4:45 am though and my alarm to call Naomi to make sure our
oldest is up for school went off so I’m going back to sleep
<Mimiru>
It’s 4:45 am though and my alarm to call Naomi to make sure our
oldest is up for school went off so I’m going back to sleepL211[06:50:21] <Forecaster>
fun times
<Forecaster>
fun timesL212[06:50:51] <AmandaC> Hrm. This could
be a problem. After the edit dialog to add a value is run, I throw
away the string representation in favor of the serial.deserialize'd
value
L213[06:51:21] <AmandaC> I guess I'll make
the serial.deserialize happen before I actually send the RPC
L214[06:51:26] *
Izaya hmms
L215[06:51:37] <Mimiru> But
yeah the new stuff will be more configurable hopefully lol
<Mimiru> But
yeah the new stuff will be more configurable hopefully lolL216[06:51:46] <Izaya> I haven't eaten
properly in about 36 hours now :| I should do that.
L217[06:51:52] <Mimiru>
Night-ish
<Mimiru>
Night-ishL218[06:51:57] <Izaya> o/
L219[06:52:19] <Izaya> fancy farm now
https://my.mixtape.moe/dtgafr.png
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L221[06:55:19] <20kdc> it's
beautiful
<20kdc> it's
beautifulL222[06:55:41] <Izaya> damn straight
L223[06:57:43] <20kdc>
that'd be a nice place to live... so calm, and peaceful
<20kdc>
that'd be a nice place to live... so calm, and peacefulL224[06:57:55] <Izaya> Meadows are
nice.
L225[06:58:31] <Izaya> Server's open and
there's empty houses. \o/
L226[07:03:23] <Wuerfel_21>
If someone needs a shitty german server, tell me and i have an
excuse to boot mine up again ?
<Wuerfel_21>
If someone needs a shitty german server, tell me and i have an
excuse to boot mine up again ?L227[07:18:51] <Forecaster>
%shell
<Forecaster>
%shellL228[07:18:51] *
MichiBot loads broken water-damaged DS into a shell and fires it.
It strikes Lizzy. They take 4 damage (Minimum). glasspelican and
tiin57 stood too close and take 4 (7-3) and 3 (6-3) damage
respectively.
L229[07:20:33] <Izaya> for anyone that
cares (read: nobody), https://oc.shadowkat.net/skssrv/
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L231[07:34:59] <S3> Izaya: does it have
retrocomputers?!
L232[07:35:11] <Wuerfel_21>
that reminds me that i need a domain
<Wuerfel_21>
that reminds me that i need a domainL233[07:35:22] <Izaya> S3: I can add
it
L234[07:35:28] <Inari> %fling
whatever
L235[07:35:28] *
MichiBot flings a nasty edge case in a random direction. It hits
whatever on the arm. They take 19 damage.
L236[07:35:35] <S3> I think it's
1.12.x
L237[07:35:41] <S3> but it looks pretty
neat
L238[07:36:10] <Izaya> that's the one that
implements the J1 FORTH CPU, right?
L239[07:36:18] <S3> No but what is
that?!
L240[07:36:29] <S3> retro computers is an
RP2 eloraam computer clone
L241[07:36:37] <S3> the J! cpu sounds
neat
L242[07:36:42] <S3> j1 cpu mod*
L243[07:37:44] <Izaya> oh wait that was
NedoComputers
L244[07:37:47] <S3> oh what is that j1 mod
x20kdc told me the other day
L245[07:37:48] <S3> yes that
L246[07:37:50] <S3> nedo computers
L247[07:37:53] <S3> is it any good?
L248[07:38:39] <Izaya> it was p.
cool
L249[07:38:44] <Izaya> looks like it isn't
1.12 though
L250[07:38:47] <S3> huh both nedo and
retro use forth and was kinda based on the 65el02
L251[07:38:59] <S3> retro is for 1.12.1
and 2 I think
L252[07:39:13] <Izaya> nah nedo was the
J1
L253[07:39:14] <S3> i was hoping for them
to use a different arch
L254[07:39:18] <S3> yes
L255[07:40:01] <S3> hmm what else is in
here..
L256[07:40:20] <Izaya> https://bitbucket.org/Shuleshkin/nedocomputers/wiki/CPU
L257[07:40:23] <S3> Izaya: I really wish
that super circuit maker supported project red gates, etc
L258[07:40:32] <Izaya> I vaguely want to
try to do a J1 in Lua at some point
L259[07:40:43] <Izaya> it'd be nice to
have a J1 CPU I could use in Minetest
L260[07:40:49] <S3> Izaya: my only concern
is that forth is really attached to memory
L261[07:41:16] <S3> and it's hard to
perform certain things without a concrete memory map
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L263[08:25:56] <S3> Izaya: minetest is
nice
L264[08:26:42] <Vexatos> S3, but does it
run Selene
L265[08:26:46] <Vexatos> I need to
know
L266[08:27:28] <S3> Vexatos: you could run
lua on forth!
L267[08:27:32] <S3> then selene on
that
L268[08:27:36] <Vexatos> S3, I mean
minetest
L269[08:27:43] <S3> no idea
L270[08:27:47] <Vexatos> Try it!
L271[08:27:50] <S3> it could
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L273[08:29:09] <Forecaster>
%shell
<Forecaster>
%shellL274[08:29:09] *
MichiBot loads storage into a shell and fires it. It strikes Kasen.
They take 9 damage. ping and LordFokas stood too close and take 5
and 5 damage respectively.
L275[08:29:53] <Inari> %inv add a loli
sitting pretty with a pistol in hand
L276[08:29:53] *
MichiBot summons 'a loli sitting pretty with a pistol in hand' and
adds to her inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L277[08:29:54] <Forecaster>
hm, I should make it conflate them if the rolls are the same
<Forecaster>
hm, I should make it conflate them if the rolls are the sameL278[08:30:49] <Inari> If I beg~ If I
plead~ Would you please, pleae, pleasee satisfy me~
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L280[08:31:49] <Forecaster>
nah
<Forecaster>
nahL281[08:32:00] <Inari> Psh :P
L282[08:40:02] <Arcan> ... in what
way
L284[08:41:44] <MichiBot> Cowboy Bebop
OST - Cosmic Dare (Pretty with a Pistol) | length: 4m
28s | Likes: 72 Dislikes:
2 Views: 8,680 | by
ZeglarnMooncaster | Published On 1/10/2011
L285[08:52:25] <Temia> Seems Inari isn't
into neglect play.
L286[08:54:36] <Vexatos> @Forecaster I
heard you like odd games, now would you look at the guy who made
this https://ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/41/bulletproof-strategy
L287[08:54:41] <Inari> Temia: Haha
L288[08:54:48] <Inari> @Forecaster
Correct
L289[08:55:58] <Vexatos> bwahaha
L290[08:56:05] <Forecaster>
@Vexatos I've literally never heard of this person
<Forecaster>
@Vexatos I've literally never heard of this personL291[08:56:10] <Vexatos> same
L292[08:56:45] <Forecaster>
I guess that'll be the next detour :P
<Forecaster>
I guess that'll be the next detour :PL293[08:57:14] <Vexatos> I have no idea
how good that game is but I heard good things about the dev
L294[08:59:03] <Forecaster>
it's received one rating, but I can't tell if it's positive or
negative
<Forecaster>
it's received one rating, but I can't tell if it's positive or
negativeL295[09:01:29] <Vexatos>
╥────────────────────────╥
L296[09:01:29] <Vexatos> â•‘ IMPORTANT
ANNOUNCEMENT â•‘
L297[09:01:29] <Vexatos> â•‘ THAT IS ALL.
â•‘
L298[09:01:29] <Vexatos>
╨────────────────────────╨
L299[09:01:29] <Vexatos> â•‘ SANGAR MADE A
GAME. â•‘
L300[09:01:33] <Sangar>
take it from an insider that it... barely works. i won't claim that
it does much more than that >_>
<Sangar>
take it from an insider that it... barely works. i won't claim that
it does much more than that >_>L301[09:01:40] <Vexatos> thanks IRC
L302[09:03:07] <Forecaster>
your columns are escaping
<Forecaster>
your columns are escapingL303[09:03:10] <Vexatos> @Sangar then you
could be proud of featuring in Forecaster's worst Detour episode
yet!
L304[09:03:24] <Sangar>
heck yeah
<Sangar>
heck yeahL305[09:03:28] <Vexatos> heck yeah!
L306[09:04:11] <Sangar> the
last hour was kinda stressful >_> to the point that the main
menu still says "Name Of The Game" where the name
should've gone, herpderp
<Sangar> the
last hour was kinda stressful >_> to the point that the main
menu still says "Name Of The Game" where the name
should've gone, herpderpL307[09:05:29] <Inari> Haha
L308[09:05:58] <Forecaster>
well, I think No Mans Sky will remain #1 worst game I've featured
:P
<Forecaster>
well, I think No Mans Sky will remain #1 worst game I've featured
:PL309[09:06:24] <Vexatos> you're probably
not wrong
L310[09:06:50] <Sangar>
heh, well, at least when taking into account the time to develop
:>
<Sangar>
heh, well, at least when taking into account the time to develop
:>L311[09:07:01] <Izaya> oh wow it's
actually Sangar
L312[09:07:03] <Izaya> hai! :D
L313[09:07:09] <Vexatos> @Sangar it's all
about that bugs/devhour ratio
L314[09:07:13] <Sangar>
heyo!
<Sangar>
heyo!L315[09:07:18] <Forecaster>
I hated every other second playing NMS
<Forecaster>
I hated every other second playing NMSL316[09:07:26] <Forecaster>
I doubt your game will do that
<Forecaster>
I doubt your game will do thatL317[09:07:28] <Inari> NMS is an okay game
though
L318[09:08:43] <Sangar>
well, just wait until you get barraged by 50 fighters from off
screen :x
<Sangar>
well, just wait until you get barraged by 50 fighters from off
screen :xL319[09:09:50] <Vexatos> I mean he was
playing Furious Angels just yesterday
L320[09:09:55] <Forecaster>
it was a mediocre game with horrible UI and terrible survival
mechanics
<Forecaster>
it was a mediocre game with horrible UI and terrible survival
mechanicsL321[09:10:06] <Vexatos> so I think it'll
be fine
L322[09:10:48] <Forecaster>
oh right I posted a screenshot of that
<Forecaster>
oh right I posted a screenshot of thatL323[09:11:29] <Inari> Sure, noone's
saying it's a great game
L324[09:11:31] <Inari> But its okay
L325[09:13:20] <Forecaster>
It was a disappointment.
<Forecaster>
It was a disappointment.L326[09:15:39] <Izaya> hype killed
it
L327[09:16:29] <Temia> Interesting choice
of genres, Sangar o:
L328[09:16:43] <Temia> I'm not the bullet
hell fan that I once was, but it looks fun
L329[09:17:25] <Forecaster>
not hype
<Forecaster>
not hypeL330[09:17:32] <Forecaster>
I never paid attention to that
<Forecaster>
I never paid attention to thatL331[09:17:55] <Forecaster>
it's just disappointing all on it's own
<Forecaster>
it's just disappointing all on it's ownL332[09:18:30] <Forecaster>
there's too little to do in too big a world, the beginning is
horrible because you have to run around gathering resources for
your ship while gathering resources to survive
<Forecaster>
there's too little to do in too big a world, the beginning is
horrible because you have to run around gathering resources for
your ship while gathering resources to surviveL333[09:18:44] <Forecaster>
and if you play it in creative mode there is no point
<Forecaster>
and if you play it in creative mode there is no pointL334[09:20:43] <Sangar>
Temia, it has its moments (at least i lost a lot of time towards
the end because i kept playing :P) maybe i'll continue polishing it
somewhen, not sure yet
<Sangar>
Temia, it has its moments (at least i lost a lot of time towards
the end because i kept playing :P) maybe i'll continue polishing it
somewhen, not sure yetL335[09:21:17] <Temia> Alrighty
L336[09:22:21] <Forecaster>
I'm sure it being showcased to like 6 people will motivate you
:P
<Forecaster>
I'm sure it being showcased to like 6 people will motivate you
:PL337[09:23:56] <Vexatos> and three of them
are in here \:D/
L338[09:26:41] <Inari> And probably none
of them can rate it for LD
L339[09:32:53] <Izaya> do relays use power
without a wireless card in them?
L340[09:33:49] <Vexatos> yes they do
L341[09:33:56] <Izaya> fug
L342[09:34:11] <Vexatos> wait no
L343[09:34:15] <Vexatos> it seems that
wired messages are free
L344[09:34:21] <Izaya> good
L345[09:34:27] <Izaya> because this isn't
feeding it power
L346[09:34:29] <Izaya> :|
L347[09:34:31] <Vexatos> yea only linked
and wireless cards have power cost
L348[09:34:36] <Izaya> shiny
L349[09:35:02] <Izaya> (My LAN has just
gone to a MAN, because there are now two houses with a
connection)
L350[09:35:13] <Izaya> (this involves 3
relays, becaus of reasons.)
L351[09:35:23] <Mimiru> So... neat news, I
have no idea how the config in Corded works...
L352[09:35:24] <Mimiru> ._.
L353[09:35:26] <Vexatos> add a big house
and it can be a MANSION
L354[09:35:26] <Mimiru> lol
L355[09:35:33] <Inari> Hm I want a nice
medium-sized minecraft modpack that has some sorta direction... so
like quests with a story or something like that... I liked the idea
of Age of Engineering but ti was too big a pack
L356[09:47:02] <Mimiru> OC Discord down
for anyone else..?
L357[09:47:35] <Inari> Seems dead
L358[09:47:42] <Mimiru> k, not just me
then.
L359[09:49:26] <Inari> I'd like if OC had
some kinda programmable processing unit... kinda like a FPGA I
guess?
L360[09:53:40] <Vexatos> I mean MCUs
exist
L361[09:53:54] <Inari> But they're
lua-side
L362[09:54:21] <Inari> I'd like to specify
some simple data operations, hand it a lua table, and the java-side
operates on that until its done and then hands me an event saying
its done
L363[09:54:43] <Vexatos> sounds way too
restrictive and against half of OC >-<
L364[10:05:43] <Inari> WAs just wondering
how to best process a png into a displayable format :p And then
thought "spread it out on multiple PCs" but then its
still not making good use of the host macihne's resources. So I
thought maybe theres some way to have the data card help. And then
thought some generic data processing unit would be nice
L365[10:12:01] <Inari> Vexatos: How is it
against OC?
L366[10:12:56] <Vexatos> because it
undermines the whole thing about architectures?
L367[10:13:20] <Vexatos> it would
literally be a new architecture
L368[10:13:21] <Vexatos> so
L369[10:13:22] <Vexatos> just make
one
L370[10:13:46] <Inari> Architectures are
useless to make
L371[10:13:52] <Inari> Noone ever really
installs addon mods
L372[10:14:06] <Inari> See: Computronics
not being present in a lot of modpacks despite OC being
L373[10:14:55] <gamax92> Inari going
straight for the attack
L374[10:15:20] <Vexatos> Inari, well you
aren't noone ever
L375[10:15:26] <Vexatos> as far as I can
tell
L376[10:16:17] <Inari> Sure, but I'd want
a program that at least has a tiny chance of being used by someone,
somewhere, sometime. Thats low enough as is, even lower if you tell
them to install another mod to use it
L377[10:16:42] <Vexatos> well that's your
problem then
L378[10:27:34] <Inari> %inv add garlic
bread
L379[10:27:34] *
MichiBot summons 'garlic bread' and adds to her inventory. I could
get some good swings in with this.
L380[10:27:40] <Inari> %stab Vexatos
L381[10:27:40] *
MichiBot stabs Vexatos with a regular hammer doing 24
damage
L382[10:27:45] <Inari> %slap test
L383[10:27:45] *
MichiBot slaps test with Spectre plushie toy doing 14 damage
(15-1)
L384[10:27:49] <Inari> Oh, theres
that
L385[10:29:21] <gamax92> %give gamax92
garlic bread
L386[10:29:21] *
MichiBot gives gamax92 garlic bread from her inventory
L387[10:29:51] <Inari> Hey!
L388[10:30:11] <gamax92> delicious
L389[10:30:16] <Inari> %slap gamax92
L390[10:30:16] *
MichiBot slaps gamax92 with some snowflake-shaped salt flakes doing
2 damage
L391[10:30:22] <gamax92> :<
L392[10:30:36] <Inari> %inv add garlic
space bread
L393[10:30:36] *
MichiBot summons 'garlic space bread' and adds to her inventory.
This seems very sturdy.
L394[10:33:46] <Vexatos> I love garlic
:I
L395[10:35:13] <Inari> I'm not sure I'd
said I love it, but I like it quite a lot
L396[10:35:40] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8W-auqg024 seen
that? :p
L397[10:35:40] <MichiBot> We Sent
Garlic Bread to the Edge of Space, Then Ate It | length: 5m
24s | Likes: 2,526 Dislikes:
11 Views: 22,788 | by Tom
Scott | Published On 23/4/2018
L398[10:36:18] <Vexatos> garlic and ginger
root might be my favourite spices
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L400[10:52:10] <gamax92> This new version
of quasseldroid is interesting.
L401[10:58:43] <Mimiru>
yay
<Mimiru>
yayL402[10:58:45] <Mimiru>
discord is back
<Mimiru>
discord is backL403[11:00:59] <gamax92> It tries to setup
a discord like interface, nicks on separate lines, times on the
right, and even Gravatar support even though that doesn't work for
anyone here
L404[11:04:40] <Mimiru> %addcommand wtf
https://i.imgur.com/tSX0NSL.gif
L405[11:04:41] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Can't
override existing commands.
L406[11:04:45] <Mimiru> o_O
L407[11:04:46] <Mimiru> %wtf
L408[11:04:46] <MichiBot> Mimiru: http://goo.gl/UZF0R6
L409[11:04:55] <Mimiru> %delcommand
wtf
L410[11:04:55] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Command
deleted
L411[11:04:59] <Mimiru> %addcommand wtf
https://i.imgur.com/tSX0NSL.gif
L412[11:04:59] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Command
Added
L413[11:05:41] <payonel> that one with
ryan reynolds was that bff movie, right?
L414[11:05:44] <payonel> i forget the
name
L415[11:25:08] <gamax92> Hmm, this new
version no longer opens up to the last channel I was in
L416[11:26:23] <Izaya> htf would gravatar
work anyway
L417[11:26:48] <gamax92> No idea but it's
an option
L418[11:26:51] <Inari> What do you mean,
how
L419[11:27:03] <Izaya> where are the
emails attached to our names
L420[11:32:38] <Inari> I still wish
routers and the like would support a "hold the
connection" mode :p So say, I run a IRC bot. And I want to
restart it, but without disconnecting. I'd have some way to tell
the router "Hey, hold this connection open, respond to PONG
commands with PING commands" and restart the bot, thenI can
somehow resume the connection
L421[11:33:06] <Mimiru> Bouncer... use a
bouncer :P
L422[11:33:12] <Inari> :P
L423[11:33:28] <Inari> But thats a whole
different piece of software!
L424[11:33:41] <Inari> Makes me wonder if
theres somethingl ike a bouncer but generic purpose
L425[11:46:38] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1524492574790.webm
L426[11:47:55] <AmandaC> @20kdc uh... am I
missing something, or is it not possible to paste into a
tcfield?
L427[11:48:34] <20kdc>
AmandaC: With the in-game clipboard or the out-of-game
clipboard?
<20kdc>
AmandaC: With the in-game clipboard or the out-of-game
clipboard?L428[11:48:34] <payonel> Izaya: is that
stallman?
L429[11:48:43] <Izaya> Yes.
L430[11:48:45] <AmandaC> @20kdc
out-of-game
L431[11:48:47] <20kdc>
Izaya, what did I tell you about *going to sleep*.
<20kdc>
Izaya, what did I tell you about *going to sleep*.L432[11:48:58] <20kdc>
(There's context.)
<20kdc>
(There's context.)L433[11:48:59] <payonel> Izaya: that is so
impressively wrong
L434[11:49:10] <20kdc>
AmandaC: Will do.
<20kdc>
AmandaC: Will do.L435[11:49:12] <Izaya> I'm on the
couch.
L436[11:49:20] <Izaya> Watching
Stargate.
L437[11:49:31] <Izaya> Browsing
4chan
L438[11:49:38] <AmandaC> @20kdc although,
ideally pasting using the out-of-game keyboard would also put it
into the in-game clipboard.
L439[11:50:21] <AmandaC> er
s/keyboard/clipboard/
L440[11:51:30] <AmandaC> payonel: also, I
just had a thoght on how ocvm could emulate paste. If you get more
than X chars from a read, assume it's a paste.
L441[11:51:51] <AmandaC> IT'd either be a
paste or a serious amount of lag
L442[11:52:36] <payonel> AmandaC: that's
actually what it does :/
L443[11:52:46] <AmandaC> oh.
L444[11:52:50] <payonel> :)
L445[11:52:58] <AmandaC> I wonder why it
didn't seem to trigger when I was testing this app, then
L446[11:53:09] <payonel> maybe because i
goofed it? :)
L447[11:53:12] <payonel> but that was my
same idea :)
L448[11:53:36] <payonel> lemme check
something about that ...
L449[11:54:07] <payonel> AmandaC: oh
right
L450[11:54:15] <payonel> yeah, i serialize
them into key events
L451[11:54:39] <payonel> i could consider
a refactor to support that
L452[11:54:59] <payonel> i DO have a
"likely a clipboard paste" condition
L453[11:55:11] <payonel> but this area of
the code doesn't decide on the event
L454[11:55:24] <payonel> well it does,
but, ......
L455[11:55:27] <payonel> anyways, i'll
think about it :)
L456[11:56:04] <AmandaC> sure. :)
L457[11:59:32] <AmandaC> ~w signals
L458[11:59:36] <Inari> https://twitter.com/catgirls_bot/status/988459059648049152
L459[11:59:36] <MichiBot> Mon Apr 23
11:46:19 CDT 2018 @catgirls_bot: https://t.co/VR6CsdIIwR https://t.co/FiqetTYWFl
L460[11:59:42] <payonel> ~w signal
L461[11:59:46] <payonel> ~w event
L462[11:59:51] <payonel> ~w shrug
L463[12:01:23] <AmandaC> payonel: no docs
for internet_ready? D:
L464[12:02:36] <payonel> maybe not?
:(
L465[12:02:41] <payonel> i should fix
that, too
L466[12:02:56] <payonel> it is sent after
internet api is called and the data is available
L467[12:03:23] <AmandaC> appears to only
be for TCP though
L468[12:04:16] <payonel> finishConnect and
read call it
L469[12:04:22] <payonel> tcp only?
perhaps. i haven't looked into that
L470[12:04:47] *
payonel checks code
L471[12:05:08] <payonel> at glance, it
seems you are right
L472[12:06:01] <payonel> Mimiru: ocdoc ?
:)
L473[12:06:10] <Mimiru> ._.
L474[12:06:11] <Mimiru> again?
L475[12:06:33] <payonel> :)
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L477[12:06:51] <payonel> ~signal
L478[12:06:56] <payonel> ~w signal
L479[12:06:57] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/component:signals
L480[12:07:00] <payonel> coo
L481[12:07:01] <payonel> thanks
L482[12:08:40] <Izaya> Heheh
L483[12:08:56] <Izaya> Everyone's name is
surrounded by <>
L484[12:09:14] <Izaya> So :) looks like
>:)
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L486[12:09:43] <20kdc> MGR:
Recommendation: smile for the cameras, presumably with
":)"
<20kdc> MGR:
Recommendation: smile for the cameras, presumably with
":)"L487[12:09:43] <payonel> Izaya: i have a
pipe between those boundaries. what client are you using?
L488[12:10:01] <Izaya> Revolution
L489[12:11:49] <gamax92> ahh,
quasseldroid-ng has no notifications support yet, oh well still
looks nice
L490[12:12:25] <S3> ?
L491[12:12:36] <S3> gamax92 is back
L492[12:12:44] <gamax92> Yes
L493[12:13:07] <S3> gamax92: Got my
AM486DX
L494[12:13:17] <gamax92> Oh?
L495[12:13:24] <S3> now justneed o get
OCEmu running on it
L496[12:13:26] <S3> or ocvm
L497[12:13:27] <S3> lol
L498[12:13:35] <S3> and set up
autoexec.bat
L499[12:13:49] <gamax92> I
L500[12:13:50] <gamax92> uhh
L501[12:13:52] <gamax92> good luck
L502[12:14:13] <S3> maybe if there's
enough space I could even fit a freedos boot setup on it
L503[12:14:23] <S3> to make a standalone
OCVM boot disk
L504[12:14:28] <payonel> S3: which
dx?
L505[12:14:38] <payonel> 25, 33, or
40?
L506[12:14:45] <S3> I believe it is
33
L507[12:14:59] <payonel> and holy crap,
where did you find a working motherboard and memory for that?
L508[12:15:01] <S3> can check when I get
home
L509[12:15:09] <AmandaC> :D https://gitlab.darkdna.net/amanda/oc-fileserver/blob/master/experiments/kos/apps/app-wget.lua
L510[12:15:22] <S3> friend of mine in
orrington said he had one available so I drove out of town and
rushed to pick it up
L511[12:15:22] <S3> :D
L512[12:15:29] <AmandaC> I'm abusing
event.runAt, but it works, and keeps the thing fairly
responsive
L513[12:15:30] <S3> he also gave me some
RAM and cache memory etc
L514[12:16:01] <S3> payonel: he also has
IDE form factor 1GB compact flash adaptors that are low profile and
plug directly into the IDE header of the mobo
L515[12:16:03] <S3> isn't that
nasty?!
L516[12:16:19] <S3> he said they're his go
to hard drives for old IDE systems
L517[12:16:20] <payonel> AmandaC: what is
runAt? is that different from a 1 time timer?
L518[12:16:38] <AmandaC> payonel: in
KittenOS NEO, not openos
L519[12:16:47] <payonel> S3: ha, didn't
even know those existed
L520[12:16:52] <S3> me neither
L521[12:17:04] <S3> they're also SLC or
whatever so they don't wear out fast
L522[12:17:07] <payonel> AmandaC:
heretic!
L523[12:17:08] <S3> every bit has its own
cell
L524[12:17:18] <AmandaC> payonel: :P
L525[12:17:32] <20kdc>
payonel: Hello, Payonel. Were you looking for the ultimate heretic
to burn?
<20kdc>
payonel: Hello, Payonel. Were you looking for the ultimate heretic
to burn?L526[12:17:34] <Izaya> Knew about em
L527[12:17:40] <S3> payonel: either way,
if I can find a way to make a bootable OCVM floppy image :D
L528[12:17:55] <S3> it should work on
dosbox I'd think
L529[12:18:01] <S3> if you didn't have
real hardware
L530[12:18:17] <gamax92> CF IDE is pretty
nice for old computers
L531[12:19:03] <payonel> ugh, well, ocvm
requires a few things:) namely, c++14 stdlibs (including the
filesystem library), a vt100 compatible tty, and ioctl to switch
the stdin to medium mode
L532[12:19:28] <payonel> so if by
"boot" you mean, given those things :)
L533[12:19:49] <S3> payonel: yes it would
be uh... a project
L534[12:19:55] <S3> also I would need to
extend DJGPP I think
L535[12:19:58] <gamax92> I don't think
ocemu could run either due to luaffi, unless I were to rewrite the
entire thing in C
L536[12:20:16] <S3> hm
L537[12:21:26] <gamax92> Which maybe I'll
do who knows
L538[12:21:32] <S3> not sure why that
effects luaffi but
L539[12:21:46] <S3> What about this
L540[12:22:01] <S3> gamax92: isn't OCEmu
mostly just abusing Lua to wrap the OC environment?
L541[12:22:17] <S3> and then using
something to do rendering?
L542[12:22:20] <payonel> Inari: https://imgur.com/r/TouchThaFishy/TxW6cNy
L543[12:22:33] <gamax92> I suppose
L544[12:22:44] <S3> gamax92: technically
speaking, whats wrong with wrapping all things such as component
and gpu etc into ANSI yada yada
L545[12:22:52] <AmandaC> @20kdc is there
an easy/er way to get a hold of a file in /data/svc-foo than to
request c.filesystem and then dig thorough manually. The whole time
I was coding my settings storage it felt like I was doing things
the wrong way
L546[12:22:53] <gamax92> ocvm
L547[12:23:02] <payonel> heh,
basically
L548[12:23:07] <20kdc>
AmandaC: yes, x.neo.pub.base
<20kdc>
AmandaC: yes, x.neo.pub.baseL549[12:23:15] <S3> gamax92: I should be
able to do it in pure Lua
L550[12:23:15] <payonel> S3: that is what
ocvm is trying to do :)
L551[12:23:19] <20kdc>
AmandaC: and yes, it's definitely doing things the wrong way
<20kdc>
AmandaC: and yes, it's definitely doing things the wrong wayL552[12:23:23] <S3> right
L553[12:23:26] <S3> so why would I even
need C
L554[12:23:34] <S3> or anything besides
Lua
L555[12:23:36] <payonel> S3: pure lua
doesn't support the ioctl you need for keyboard handling
L556[12:23:47] <S3> ohhh
L557[12:23:50] <S3> hmmmm
L558[12:23:51] <20kdc>
AmandaC: c.filesystem is a security risk, and should only be used
by apps that need it (like CLAW)
<20kdc>
AmandaC: c.filesystem is a security risk, and should only be used
by apps that need it (like CLAW)L559[12:23:55] <gamax92> Just write a
small lua module for it
L560[12:24:10] <S3> yeah I could make a C
lua module right
L561[12:24:13] <AmandaC> @20kdc where's
the root of the file ops in that?
L562[12:24:14] <payonel> yep
L563[12:24:28] <gamax92> I wouldn't have
ever been using luaffi if it wern't for the other sdl2 bindings
being kinda garbage at the time
L564[12:24:40] <20kdc>
AmandaC: You start all your filenames with "/", but they
actually go to "/data/svc-whatever/"
<20kdc>
AmandaC: You start all your filenames with "/", but they
actually go to "/data/svc-whatever/"L565[12:24:46] <AmandaC> ah
L566[12:24:46] <S3> I always heard good
things about sdl2
L567[12:24:56] <gamax92> the bindings, not
sdl2 itself
L568[12:24:58] <20kdc>
AmandaC: A simple example is in klogo
<20kdc>
AmandaC: A simple example is in klogoL569[12:25:01] <S3> "it's the directx
of *nix!"
L570[12:25:02] <S3> I hear
L571[12:25:09] <gamax92> uhh
L572[12:25:18] <20kdc> S3:
SDL is the directdraw of everything
<20kdc> S3:
SDL is the directdraw of everythingL573[12:25:27] <gamax92> yeah directdraw
is a better comparison
L574[12:25:35] <20kdc> but
it's also a quick way to get OpenGL access
<20kdc> but
it's also a quick way to get OpenGL accessL575[12:25:38] <S3> well yeah but doesnt
sdl and directx support sound input, etc?
L576[12:25:41] <S3> as well
L577[12:25:53] <gamax92> xaudio
L578[12:25:57] <20kdc>
Pretty sure SDL does do sound stuff, but I forget the details
<20kdc>
Pretty sure SDL does do sound stuff, but I forget the detailsL579[12:26:05] <S3> I mean there's
sdlinput
L580[12:26:09] <S3> and there's
directinput
L581[12:26:15] <S3> the latter all part of
directx
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L583[12:26:55] <Inari> payonel: nice
:d
L584[12:27:11] <gamax92> if you just
wanted OGL access wouldn't something like glfw be better?
L585[12:27:50] <payonel> S3: one of the
reasons i wrote ocvm in c++ was because i wanted to learn the lua
api
L586[12:28:10] <payonel> in some ways, it
would have been so much easier if i had done it in lua :)
L587[12:28:13] <S3> payonel: ah.
L588[12:28:18] <S3> I don't mind the Lua C
api at all
L589[12:28:20] <S3> it's not that
bad
L590[12:28:27] <S3> and I love how most of
it is just reused macros
L591[12:28:29] <payonel> i dont mind it
either
L592[12:28:30] <S3> that's really
nice
L593[12:28:39] <payonel> i dont mean the
lua api made it hard
L594[12:28:50] <payonel> it was a good
challenge to learn it
L595[12:29:02] <S3> payonel: I do find
stack vms a little weird like Lua
L596[12:29:18] <S3> the idea of oh hey
lets make a global variable, just push this random value to the lua
stack
L597[12:29:20] <S3> bam its there
L598[12:29:22] <gamax92> The lua api isn't
too bad, and you get the advantage of being able to check the
number of arguments and also "no value" support instead
of nil
L599[12:29:23] <payonel> but i mean, using
the api to interface with a lua environment that needs a LOT of
fancy emulation would have been easier just staying in the lua
whole time
L600[12:30:39] <S3> so I should be able to
make some sort of ioctl patch module thing in C connect it up to
Lua and then write Lua code to handle this wrapping around the
entirety of OC
L601[12:30:42] <gamax92> also neigh
impossible to actually get accurate memory usage support with pure
lua, excluding ocemu itself from the count
L602[12:31:03] <payonel> oh definitely,
that was the other reason for ocvm
L603[12:31:03] <20kdc> S3:
so, a Lua module to perform the IOCTL magic? sounds fun!
<20kdc> S3:
so, a Lua module to perform the IOCTL magic? sounds fun!L604[12:31:16] <S3> @20kdc oh hey
tehre
L605[12:31:44] <S3> @20kdc I was just
pushing gamax92's and payonel's buttons about the idea of an OCVM
like platform that can boot off of floppy disk on 80486 compatible
systems
L606[12:31:54] <S3> or run in dosbox if
you wanted to go that route
L607[12:32:08] <20kdc>
sounds nice! just don't forget to run OpenOS... can you tell
payonel that I'm the heretic and payonel shouldn't try to kill
anyone else, for I am the source of all heresy?
<20kdc>
sounds nice! just don't forget to run OpenOS... can you tell
payonel that I'm the heretic and payonel shouldn't try to kill
anyone else, for I am the source of all heresy?L608[12:32:28] <S3> right. Well the idea
is that, you would be able to boot your 486 or newer computer into
OpenOS
L609[12:32:35] <S3> you could LITERALLY
have an openos boot disk
L610[12:32:47] <20kdc>
oooo, sounds fun
<20kdc>
oooo, sounds funL611[12:32:56] <S3> question is, how much
space does the openos files take up..
L612[12:33:16] <20kdc> less
than 1.44MB, I think
<20kdc> less
than 1.44MB, I thinkL613[12:36:15] <S3> 940K
L614[12:36:17] <S3> but
L615[12:36:57] <S3> still need enough
space to store some tiny FreeDOS boot files
L616[12:37:47] <S3> that doesn't give you
a lot of space left over to do stuff
L617[12:38:19] <S3> not without a
secondary floppy drive, in which case I can wrap as a filesystem
component or disk component depending if you connect it in managed
/ unmanaged mode :D
L618[12:38:27] <20kdc>
probably enough for OpenOS if you completely pretend the entire
devfs system is not a necessary component
<20kdc>
probably enough for OpenOS if you completely pretend the entire
devfs system is not a necessary componentL619[12:38:40] <20kdc>
*goes to measure*
<20kdc>
*goes to measure*L620[12:38:43] <S3> hmm
L621[12:39:08] <20kdc> ok,
OpenOS is about 360K
<20kdc> ok,
OpenOS is about 360KL622[12:39:08] <S3> huh, does openos not
use kobjects?
L623[12:39:12] <S3> to populate
devfs
L624[12:39:15] <S3> really
L625[12:39:31] <S3> when I do du -sh on
openos loot folder in the git rrpo I get 940K
L626[12:39:40] <20kdc>
...huh
<20kdc>
...huhL627[12:39:45] <S3> bhodgins@darkstar î‚°
~/OpenComputers/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot î‚° î‚
master-MC1.7.10 î‚° du -sh openos
L628[12:39:45] <S3> 940K openos
L629[12:39:46] <20kdc>
(also, code has to implement those objects, so...)
<20kdc>
(also, code has to implement those objects, so...)L630[12:39:50] <payonel> there is no
kobject in openos, devfs is built by "adapters" to
components
L631[12:40:07] <S3> payonel: isn't that
the same idea as a kobject though?
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L634[12:40:43] <payonel> S3: (and @20kdc)
you wouldn't need ioctl fully to run a shell emulator the way ocvm
works, you can do enough with "medium" mode kb input, you
ONLY need to call ::tcsetattr(STDIN_FILENO, TCSANOW,
&raw);
L635[12:41:05] <payonel> https://github.com/payonel/ocvm/blob/master/drivers/raw_tty.cpp#L113
L636[12:41:06] <S3> hmm
L637[12:43:13] <S3> While I'm at it I
should make a computercraft boot disk too
L638[12:43:14] <S3> :P
L639[12:43:23] <S3> and then go into #cc
and say look at this
L640[12:43:28] <S3> with video
L641[12:50:36] <Wuerfel_21>
Why is opengl lighting so fiddly?
<Wuerfel_21>
Why is opengl lighting so fiddly?L642[12:51:36] <Vexatos> S3, use selene
:^)
L643[12:51:44] *
Vexatos runs
L644[12:52:02] <S3> ...
L645[12:52:11] <S3> whyd you name it
selene btw
L646[12:52:17] <S3> there's 1000 proejects
named selene
L647[12:52:23] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> trips vexatos
L648[12:52:27] <Vexatos> why not .-.
L649[12:52:33] <Vexatos> it's a pretty
obvious name
L650[12:52:39] <Forecaster>
naming things is hard.
<Forecaster>
naming things is hard.L651[12:52:40] <S3> I would name it
whakrabbit
L652[12:52:54] <Vexatos> that has nothing
to do with the name Lua though
L653[12:53:01] <S3> oh?
L654[12:53:06] <S3> what does selene have
to do with lua?
L655[12:53:15] <Vexatos> ...selene is the
goddess of the moon?
L656[12:53:35] <S3> is it:
L657[12:53:38] <S3> never heard of
that
L658[12:53:55] <Vexatos> Why did you think
there were 1000 projects named Selene
L659[12:54:07] <Vexatos> Also I only know
of one other Lua project named Selene and it's been dead for a
while
L660[12:54:24] <Mimiru> o_O
L661[12:54:25] <Mimiru> Oh..
L662[12:54:26] <Vexatos> the Roman version
of Selene is called Luna
L663[12:54:27] <Mimiru> o/
L664[12:54:28] <Forecaster>
Yue *is* the moon!
<Forecaster>
Yue *is* the moon!L665[12:54:38] <Vexatos> @Forecaster
should have gone with that tbh
L666[12:55:07] <Forecaster>
well, moon spirit, but still
<Forecaster>
well, moon spirit, but stillL667[12:55:27] <Vexatos> Selene's good
enough
L668[12:55:41] <Vexatos> S3, not to be
confused with Selenium which is an element
L669[12:56:21] <Vexatos> (named after
Selene, along with Tellurium named after tellus, the earth)
L670[13:00:34] <S3> you and your addiction
to chemicals
L671[13:00:39] <S3> and elements
L672[13:00:42] <S3> and crap
L673[13:01:58] <Vexatos> S3, just a hunch,
but that might be related to me studying chemistry
L674[13:05:12] <AmandaC> but did the
addiction come before or after the chemistry study decision
L675[13:05:31] <gerard>
Wait the bot has now the name of the person talking in the
IRC?
<gerard>
Wait the bot has now the name of the person talking in the
IRC?L676[13:05:33] <Vexatos> Noone would study
chemistry if they weren't interested in chemistry, you know
L677[13:05:47] <gerard>
That is so confusing, I always look at the Discord profile
picture
<gerard>
That is so confusing, I always look at the Discord profile
pictureL678[13:05:52] <Vexatos> @gerard on the
contrary, the bot has the name of the person talking on discord for
me :^)
L679[13:06:57] <gerard> I
thought the owner of the bot was talking through it at first
<gerard> I
thought the owner of the bot was talking through it at firstL680[13:07:12] <Mimiru> It's no more
confusing than it was before... when it was
Corded/n<NickName> Message and everyone had the exact same
profile picture.
L681[13:07:20] <Mimiru> and now, people
won't try to talk to Corded.
L682[13:07:54] <gerard>
Hmm, can't you change the profile picture as well? :F
<gerard>
Hmm, can't you change the profile picture as well? :FL683[13:08:07] <Mimiru> Sure, but I'm not
going to set a random damn image for EVERY person.
L684[13:08:16] <Mimiru> So, you get the
same image the bot uses.
L685[13:08:25] <gerard>
First letter and make a color of the name
<gerard>
First letter and make a color of the nameL686[13:08:31] <Mimiru> No.jpg
L687[13:08:41] <gerard>
Tsk
<gerard>
TskL688[13:09:07] <gerard>
Then there is only one option
<gerard>
Then there is only one optionL689[13:09:26] <gerard>
Making a plug-in for Discord that it does that ?
<gerard>
Making a plug-in for Discord that it does that ?L690[13:10:21] <MGR> I
encourage you to do that
<MGR> I
encourage you to do thatL691[13:12:42] <payonel> Inari: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61IRMKROy1L._SL1001_.jpg
L692[13:14:05] <Inari> payonel: ew
L693[13:14:19] <payonel> hehe
L694[13:15:05] <gamax92> hmm ... I can't
seem to style the status icons in gitlab anymore
L695[13:15:51] <AmandaC> This is for the
dark theme thing right? ISTR it's got an offical dark theme
now
L696[13:17:03] <AmandaC> ah, maybe
not
L697[13:17:11] <payonel> does anyone know
that pasting in openos shell with multiple lines doesn't work
nicely?
L698[13:17:19] <gamax92> oh, they're in
separate svg's nwo
L699[13:21:00] <Forecaster>
in shell? no idea
<Forecaster>
in shell? no ideaL700[13:21:02] <Forecaster>
never done that
<Forecaster>
never done thatL701[13:24:14] <AmandaC> I wonder if it'd
be possible, using the mod API,to make a dock that you can place a
tablet in and it'll charge it, but still let you use it
L702[13:24:23] <payonel> my current work
in openos had a side effect that makes clipboard pasting in the
shell mimic real life
L703[13:24:50] <payonel> it actually was a
lot of work to fix the clipboard behavior with the other changes
i'm making, and now clipboard pasting works very well
L704[13:24:57] <payonel> and i was
thinking ... no one will ever notice this
L705[13:28:01] <20kdc>
define "mimic real life"...
<20kdc>
define "mimic real life"...L706[13:28:22] <20kdc> did
it spew the contents over the screen?
<20kdc> did
it spew the contents over the screen?L707[13:28:54] <AmandaC> I assume he means
it'll run commands after a newline
L708[13:29:16] <20kdc> oh,
got confused with OCVM
<20kdc> oh,
got confused with OCVML709[13:29:30] <20kdc> BTW,
since it's the keys used in app-textedit, F5/F6 will be copy/paste
in neoux textfields
<20kdc> BTW,
since it's the keys used in app-textedit, F5/F6 will be copy/paste
in neoux textfieldsL710[13:29:56] <AmandaC> Will an OC paste
event count as well?
L711[13:30:05] <20kdc> Yup,
and will paste from the out-of-game clipboard
<20kdc> Yup,
and will paste from the out-of-game clipboardL712[13:30:27] <20kdc> to
summarize, OC paste goes straight into wherever you paste it, while
F5/F6 are copy/paste on the in-game clipboard
<20kdc> to
summarize, OC paste goes straight into wherever you paste it, while
F5/F6 are copy/paste on the in-game clipboardL713[13:30:34] <AmandaC> ah
L714[13:30:36] <20kdc> I
should also note that the in-game clipboard is persistent
<20kdc> I
should also note that the in-game clipboard is persistentL715[13:30:45] <20kdc> gets
saved as a system setting
<20kdc> gets
saved as a system settingL716[13:31:39] <payonel> sorry, was afk
for a sec -- yeah, what AmandaC said
L717[13:31:46] <payonel> will an Oc paste
event count as well?
L718[13:32:08] <20kdc>
KittenOS NEO has it's own internal clipboard, since there's no way
to send to the out-of-game clipboard
<20kdc>
KittenOS NEO has it's own internal clipboard, since there's no way
to send to the out-of-game clipboardL719[13:32:20] <payonel> ah, i see
L720[13:32:54] <20kdc> and
copy/pasting between text files is somewhat useful, so... two
clipboards ended up being the solution
<20kdc> and
copy/pasting between text files is somewhat useful, so... two
clipboards ended up being the solutionL721[13:33:12] <payonel> where is the
kittenos source?
L722[13:33:21] <payonel> i want to try it
out in ocvm
L724[13:33:55] <AmandaC> copying the
inst.lua to the root drive's init.lua works well for
installation
L725[13:34:29] <payonel> can i just boot
from the code/ ?
L726[13:34:37] <20kdc>
yes
<20kdc>
yesL727[13:34:39] <payonel> i dont plan on
"installing" it
L728[13:34:42] <payonel> i was just going
to boot it
L729[13:34:55] <20kdc> The
"installer" is just a compressed self-extracting TAR
OS
<20kdc> The
"installer" is just a compressed self-extracting TAR
OSL730[13:35:27] <20kdc> it
exists basically as a convenience if working entirely in-game
<20kdc> it
exists basically as a convenience if working entirely in-gameL731[13:35:57] <AmandaC> ... I never
thought of the fact that the code folder is ready-to-go as a
bootable installation.
L732[13:36:35] <AmandaC> That makes
playing with it in VMs much easier. <.<
L733[13:37:08] <payonel> ok it booted ...
but ... no shell?
L734[13:37:13] <payonel> pressing keys,
clicking with mouse
L735[13:37:21] <payonel> i have the cool
white background and "KittenOS NEO"
L736[13:37:30] <20kdc> If
it stopped there, something went wrong
<20kdc> If
it stopped there, something went wrongL737[13:37:54] <20kdc>
first thing to do in that case is to adjust init.lua to get debug
logging ready for your VM
<20kdc>
first thing to do in that case is to adjust init.lua to get debug
logging ready for your VML738[13:38:30] <20kdc>
specifically, just change all the OCEmu-specific stuff for
OCVM-specific stuff
<20kdc>
specifically, just change all the OCEmu-specific stuff for
OCVM-specific stuffL739[13:38:41] <payonel> roger
L740[13:38:54] <20kdc>
maybe I should re-add criticalFailure and only disable it once
Icecap is up
<20kdc>
maybe I should re-add criticalFailure and only disable it once
Icecap is upL741[13:39:17] <20kdc> but
the trouble with that is that then non-critical services can crash
the whole system...
<20kdc> but
the trouble with that is that then non-critical services can crash
the whole system...L742[13:40:17] <20kdc>
...and that would make it impossible for the user to wipe settings,
which is not good
<20kdc>
...and that would make it impossible for the user to wipe settings,
which is not goodL743[13:40:33] <payonel> tbh, i dont
understand the check for bytecode suppor
L744[13:40:34] <payonel> +t
L745[13:40:51] <20kdc> It's
assumed that applications may be evil.
<20kdc> It's
assumed that applications may be evil.L746[13:41:06] <payonel> i can guess the
arguments to be made
L747[13:41:13] <payonel> i comprehend, i
don't understand
L748[13:41:34] <AmandaC> fwiw, the way to
make it use ocvm's stuff is to add the sandbox component then just
change line 14 of init.lua with s/ocemu/sandbox/
L749[13:41:57] <20kdc> Oh,
they're that similar? *goes to fix*
<20kdc> Oh,
they're that similar? *goes to fix*L750[13:41:59] <payonel> yeah, did
that
L751[13:42:01] <20kdc>
Also, if you take out the bytecode check, there's a second check
which locks applications out of the ability to use bytecode.
<20kdc>
Also, if you take out the bytecode check, there's a second check
which locks applications out of the ability to use bytecode.L752[13:42:36] <payonel> i really dont see
the point, it's a bit fanatical
L753[13:43:22] <AmandaC> @20kdc hrm,
checking ocemu.log's functionality, they're different, in that
sandbox.log will only accept the first argument for printing
L754[13:43:35] <payonel> AmandaC: not
anymore
L755[13:43:40] <payonel> i changed your
first impl
L756[13:43:43] <20kdc>
...well, I always assumed that was the case anyway, so won't change
anything
<20kdc>
...well, I always assumed that was the case anyway, so won't change
anythingL757[13:43:43] <AmandaC> ah, hhe
L758[13:44:25] <payonel> @20kdc i'm not
trying to convince you, i'm just stating my opinion that i find it
a waste of effort and time, and a large inconvenience to users who
care
L759[13:44:44] <payonel> blocking a
feature simply because of some idea that this software should be
the final call
L760[13:44:44] <20kdc>
Well, I'll remove the automatic-error,
<20kdc>
Well, I'll remove the automatic-error,L761[13:44:57] <payonel> no no, honestly,
write your code how you see fit
L762[13:45:15] <20kdc> but
I am keeping the load-guard. If you want to use bytecode, you'll
need k.root access.
<20kdc> but
I am keeping the load-guard. If you want to use bytecode, you'll
need k.root access.L763[13:45:27] <20kdc>
Going further than that is basically a security breach, sooo
<20kdc>
Going further than that is basically a security breach, soooL764[13:45:32] <payonel> _I_ don't care
for bytecode access
L766[13:45:47] <20kdc> No,
I see your point. The error thing is a bit of a bad idea
<20kdc> No,
I see your point. The error thing is a bit of a bad ideaL767[13:45:50] <AmandaC> @20kdc
suggesstion for fm's copy ability -- make it so choosing a name for
the target file is optional, based on the basename of the
source.
L768[13:46:00] <payonel> @20kdc i'm not
talking about the error message
L769[13:46:04] <payonel> i'm talking about
literally blocking it
L770[13:46:16] <gerard> Now
I just need to attach a MutationObserver for watching DOM
changes
<gerard> Now
I just need to attach a MutationObserver for watching DOM
changesL771[13:46:17] <payonel> you're
essentially blocking a viable feature of oc with your code
L772[13:46:32] <20kdc> It's
not viable when it's documented as a security risk that affects the
host machine.
<20kdc> It's
not viable when it's documented as a security risk that affects the
host machine.L773[13:46:43] <payonel> uh huh
L774[13:47:00] <20kdc> If
that is no longer the case, then that's fine.
<20kdc> If
that is no longer the case, then that's fine.L775[13:47:15] <Vexatos> @gerard on the
other side https://my.mixtape.moe/xibgvu.png
L776[13:48:45] <payonel> of course it is
the case. that's why it is disabled by default. i'm only trying to
say it is a bit heavy handed to remove a feature of a
"host" mod because you disagree with it
L777[13:48:54] <payonel> you're free to do
so, of course
L778[13:48:59] <payonel> it just seemed
unusual to me
L779[13:49:09] <payonel> @20kdc: btw, i've
done the same thing myself
L780[13:49:12] <payonel> :)
L781[13:49:25] <payonel> i didn't like the
personal-auto crafting grid thing in ...
L782[13:49:32] <payonel> chicken
code?
L783[13:49:33] <20kdc>
Under circumstances that do not involve the potential for code to
break the host machine, I would *completely* agree with you.
<20kdc>
Under circumstances that do not involve the potential for code to
break the host machine, I would *completely* agree with you.L784[13:49:34] <payonel> who made
that
L785[13:50:00] <payonel> anyways, i
modified the jar directly, blocking that feature
L786[13:50:11] <payonel> because i didn't
like it, and on my servers that feature was out
L787[13:50:23] <payonel> though, i told my
users as much
L788[13:50:41] <20kdc> Keep
in mind that KittenOS NEO runs a sandbox within a sandbox. Things
should become a bit clearer.
<20kdc> Keep
in mind that KittenOS NEO runs a sandbox within a sandbox. Things
should become a bit clearer.L789[13:51:48] <payonel> @20kdc if someone
was really bothered by the kittenos behavior, a custom eeprom would
side step that, fwiw
L790[13:52:01] <20kdc> Or
just modifying init.lua, which is totally a viable option
<20kdc> Or
just modifying init.lua, which is totally a viable optionL791[13:52:01] <Vexatos> There is no way I
won't abbreviate KittenOS as K-OS
L792[13:52:32] <payonel> well that's the
end of my soapbox :)
L794[13:52:50] <gerard> it
works quite well
<gerard> it
works quite wellL795[13:52:56] <gerard>
even with browsing the history
<gerard>
even with browsing the historyL796[13:52:59] <gerard>
didn't expect this
<gerard>
didn't expect thisL797[13:53:01] <payonel> my tone was
PROBABLY misinterpreted thanks to text communication
L798[13:53:16] <payonel> i do apologize if
i come off more pissy than i really am
L799[13:53:26] <Vexatos> Tone in text
messages D;
L800[13:54:18] <20kdc> Hmm,
maybe. The "heavy-handed" thing seemed clear, but...
heavy-handed to me is necessary. KittenOS NEO is meant to run
untrusted applications and not let them fry the machine, nevermind
the host VM.
<20kdc> Hmm,
maybe. The "heavy-handed" thing seemed clear, but...
heavy-handed to me is necessary. KittenOS NEO is meant to run
untrusted applications and not let them fry the machine, nevermind
the host VM.L801[13:55:03] <payonel> ah, i see
L802[13:55:13] <payonel> that's a bit
different :) i think that was your point all along
L803[13:56:14] <20kdc> I'm
laxing the "crashing if bytecode detected", but removing
access to bytecode is necessary, or you might as well just disable
the entire security framework.
<20kdc> I'm
laxing the "crashing if bytecode detected", but removing
access to bytecode is necessary, or you might as well just disable
the entire security framework.L804[13:56:52] <payonel> well, i honestly
didn't intend for you to change anything
L805[13:57:05] <payonel> just wanted a
lively, but short lived, debate
L806[13:57:06] <20kdc> I
consider this a compromise between sanity and usability.
<20kdc> I
consider this a compromise between sanity and usability.L807[13:57:24] <20kdc>
...or something like that.
<20kdc>
...or something like that.L809[13:59:23] <gerard>
have fun Discord Users
<gerard>
have fun Discord UsersL810[13:59:29] <payonel> AmandaC: sandbox
wasn't a default component in the client.cfg? (i had not been using
it)
L811[13:59:38] <payonel> i should add that
to the default client.cfg
L812[14:00:44] <AmandaC> payonel: no, it's
not. I had meant to bring that up earlier, but got distracted.
:P
L813[14:00:53] <AmandaC> ( and yes you
should )
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L820[14:05:29] <payonel> would appear
`fw(fs.primary, "data/sys-glacier/sysconf.lua", true)`
returned nil
L821[14:06:47] <20kdc>
...yup
<20kdc>
...yupL822[14:07:15] <payonel> AmandaC: https://github.com/payonel/ocvm/commit/2d9ffc69576c06e24d42930dbbd2cfefeed12930#diff-1189e82d436d71b2cdf171149406446b
L823[14:07:33] <20kdc>
...and apparently at some point I either removed a pcall or did
some sort of revert, because the initial saveSettings is apparently
not under pcall
<20kdc>
...and apparently at some point I either removed a pcall or did
some sort of revert, because the initial saveSettings is apparently
not under pcallL824[14:07:43] <20kdc>
payonel: Add pcall, and then double-check if your disk is
writable
<20kdc>
payonel: Add pcall, and then double-check if your disk is
writableL825[14:07:52] <payonel> it is not
writable
L826[14:08:02] <payonel> i do readonly
boots
L827[14:08:04] <payonel> generally
L828[14:08:08] <payonel> i'll add a
pcall
L829[14:08:09] <20kdc> so,
yeah, add pcall around saveSettings
<20kdc> so,
yeah, add pcall around saveSettingsL830[14:08:16] <20kdc> I
apparently forgot to do that for some reason
<20kdc> I
apparently forgot to do that for some reasonL831[14:08:54] <payonel> yeah, it got past
boot splash with a pcall there
L832[14:09:44] <20kdc> init
and glacier errors are fun, because they're the processes you need
for seeing the onscreen boot log after startup
<20kdc> init
and glacier errors are fun, because they're the processes you need
for seeing the onscreen boot log after startupL833[14:10:21] <20kdc> if
any other processes fail to start, or die during boot, then it'll
show up
<20kdc> if
any other processes fail to start, or die during boot, then it'll
show upL834[14:11:02] <payonel> plan9k has a
fancy boot
L835[14:11:27] <20kdc> eh,
the KittenOS NEO boot tries to be fancy enough to look good while
not fancy enough to waste all of memory on a boot
<20kdc> eh,
the KittenOS NEO boot tries to be fancy enough to look good while
not fancy enough to waste all of memory on a bootL836[14:11:36] <20kdc> and
the init daemon dies after you login
<20kdc> and
the init daemon dies after you loginL837[14:13:06] <20kdc> at
the end of the day you should have 3 processes immediately after
login, and a total of... I think 4 Lua files in memory.
<20kdc> at
the end of the day you should have 3 processes immediately after
login, and a total of... I think 4 Lua files in memory.L838[14:13:17] <gamax92> so uhh
L839[14:13:21] <gamax92> can a T1 computer
boot it?
L840[14:13:24] <20kdc>
yup
<20kdc>
yupL841[14:13:27] <gamax92> nice
L842[14:13:32] <20kdc> and
last I checked, can run a text editor
<20kdc> and
last I checked, can run a text editorL843[14:13:43] <gamax92> extra nice
L844[14:13:54] <20kdc>
though making it cleaner than the old KittenOS also made it more
memory hungry
<20kdc>
though making it cleaner than the old KittenOS also made it more
memory hungryL845[14:13:56] <20kdc>
lessons have been learned
<20kdc>
lessons have been learnedL846[14:14:02] <AmandaC> @20kdc oh, also,
right-click still launches app-launch
L847[14:14:27] <20kdc>
...right-click should launch app-launch unless you specifically set
sys-everest.launcher to the name of the app you want as
launcher
<20kdc>
...right-click should launch app-launch unless you specifically set
sys-everest.launcher to the name of the app you want as
launcherL848[14:14:39] <20kdc>
...wait, do you mean right-click in particular?
<20kdc>
...wait, do you mean right-click in particular?L849[14:14:53] <AmandaC> yeah, with
sys-everest.launcher changed
L850[14:16:12] <20kdc> and
I'm just going to fix that now, start committing, and then push
& rebuild the devinst
<20kdc> and
I'm just going to fix that now, start committing, and then push
& rebuild the devinstL851[14:17:14] <AmandaC> also,
clarification about dev-inst, I wasn't aware you did a lot of
coding locally before committing, I meant installers for what's up
on the master branch, when I suggested it.
L852[14:17:40] <20kdc>
Well, it'll be on the master branch in about a minute, sooo
<20kdc>
Well, it'll be on the master branch in about a minute, soooL853[14:17:51] <AmandaC> heh, sure
L855[14:24:13] <logan2611>
whats this
<logan2611>
whats thisL856[14:24:57] <logan2611>
oh its an OS
<logan2611>
oh its an OSL857[14:27:04] <AmandaC> @20kdc installed
in MC and "attempt to index nil value (global
ocemu)"
L858[14:27:40] <20kdc>
...oh dear. That would be init.lua failing because of me forgetting
"ocemu and ".
<20kdc>
...oh dear. That would be init.lua failing because of me forgetting
"ocemu and ".L859[14:29:14] <20kdc> Try
now?
<20kdc> Try
now?L860[14:29:45] <logan2611>
meanwhile im still over here trying to motivate myself to write
mine
<logan2611>
meanwhile im still over here trying to motivate myself to write
mineL861[14:30:22] <20kdc>
...recommendation: don't try to make a clean design. The cleaner
the design is, the less memory-efficient it is. This shouldn't be a
rule, but it ends up being the rule...
<20kdc>
...recommendation: don't try to make a clean design. The cleaner
the design is, the less memory-efficient it is. This shouldn't be a
rule, but it ends up being the rule...L862[14:30:40] <logan2611>
lua defies logic
<logan2611>
lua defies logicL863[14:31:05] <Corded> *
<logan2611> sometimes
L864[14:31:25] <logan2611>
ex. ~= = NPOT
<logan2611>
ex. ~= = NPOTL865[14:31:27] <logan2611>
ex. ~= = NP]OT [Edited]
<logan2611>
ex. ~= = NP]OT [Edited]L866[14:31:29] <logan2611>
ex. ~= = NOT [Edited]
<logan2611>
ex. ~= = NOT [Edited]L867[14:31:32] <logan2611>
ex. ~= = NOT EQUAL [Edited]
<logan2611>
ex. ~= = NOT EQUAL [Edited]L868[14:31:41] <logan2611>
when you fuck up so badly you edit it 3 times
<logan2611>
when you fuck up so badly you edit it 3 timesL869[14:32:06] <payonel> yeah.
memory
L870[14:32:23] <payonel> that's been the
largest hurdle for me and openos
L871[14:32:55] <payonel> so now that
openos allocates ~130k to boot, it's a huge deal
L872[14:33:10] <logan2611>
is there a way to manage memory in OC other than dumping
programs
<logan2611>
is there a way to manage memory in OC other than dumping
programsL873[14:33:10] <20kdc> it'd
be helpful if there was an easily accessible option to provide a
system that could run edit at the cost of all program
compatibility
<20kdc> it'd
be helpful if there was an easily accessible option to provide a
system that could run edit at the cost of all program
compatibilityL874[14:33:50] <payonel> you mean openos'
/bin/edit ?
L875[14:33:55] <20kdc>
yes
<20kdc>
yesL876[14:33:55] <gamax92> EditorOS
L877[14:34:07] <payonel> heh -- well --
there might be something i'm doing already
L878[14:34:39] <20kdc> the
original KittenOS (as opposed to KittenOS NEO) basically existed
because I saw that and wondered if 192K was really that
insufficient
<20kdc> the
original KittenOS (as opposed to KittenOS NEO) basically existed
because I saw that and wondered if 192K was really that
insufficientL879[14:34:40] <gamax92> I remember making
a small eeprom for providing a gui for the tape drives cause the
actual tape drive gui was broken
L880[14:35:09] <logan2611>
I remember writing a control program for robots in an EEPROM
<logan2611>
I remember writing a control program for robots in an EEPROML881[14:35:18] <logan2611>
space restriction quickly became an issue
<logan2611>
space restriction quickly became an issueL882[14:37:56] <payonel> and as i've said
before, one of the critical reasons i made ocvm was for memory
benchmarking and profiling
L883[14:37:56] <AmandaC> @20kdc
sys-everest.launcher now doesn't work for either right-click OR
alt-enter
L884[14:38:11] <20kdc>
...how did I manage to make it *worse*? O.o
<20kdc>
...how did I manage to make it *worse*? O.oL885[14:38:26] <gamax92> coding while half
asleep?
L886[14:38:55] <20kdc>
probably that
<20kdc>
probably thatL887[14:39:07] <logan2611>
is there a way to make swap space in OC ?
<logan2611>
is there a way to make swap space in OC ?L888[14:39:32] <Inari> Kind of
L889[14:39:40] <Inari> The biggest issue
is local vars I think :P
L890[14:39:45] <logan2611>
ah
<logan2611>
ahL891[14:39:52] <20kdc>
IDK... my solution is to use a library system that lets you unload
libraries, which is kind of similar
<20kdc>
IDK... my solution is to use a library system that lets you unload
libraries, which is kind of similarL892[14:40:03] <20kdc> that
way, if you only keep a library around when you need it,
<20kdc> that
way, if you only keep a library around when you need it,L893[14:40:20] <Inari> And I'd thikn
swapping functions out and in would be a bit hard - not impossible
though
L894[14:40:35] <20kdc>
Inari: if you write the programs correctly, it's easy
<20kdc>
Inari: if you write the programs correctly, it's easyL895[14:41:11] <payonel> the problem is
there would not be a data type agnostic way to swap memory
L896[14:41:43] <payonel> not without more
lua vm support, and bytecode support
L897[14:41:50] <20kdc>
there's no way to swap data in and out that would work properly,
but with program support, making, say, "require" unload
stuff that you discard all references to is a good start
<20kdc>
there's no way to swap data in and out that would work properly,
but with program support, making, say, "require" unload
stuff that you discard all references to is a good startL898[14:42:10] <payonel> and even then
we'd need to remap some of the objects so that we could store
arbitrary data in bytecode (which you can't, by default)
L899[14:42:30] <logan2611>
sad
<logan2611>
sadL900[14:42:32] <Inari> @20kdc I mean,
sure
L901[14:42:46] <Inari> But it'd also be
kinda useless :D Except when you jut need tons of data in one
particular program
L902[14:43:00] <logan2611>
I've ran out of RAM on a maxed out server before
<logan2611>
I've ran out of RAM on a maxed out server beforeL903[14:43:31] <20kdc>
Inari: not as useless as you'd think - if you have functionality
that doesn't get called too often and is sufficiently big, you can
throw it in a library
<20kdc>
Inari: not as useless as you'd think - if you have functionality
that doesn't get called too often and is sufficiently big, you can
throw it in a libraryL904[14:43:31] <Vexatos> I mean there's
always Magical Memoryâ„¢
L905[14:43:45] <logan2611>
Cheatingâ„¢*
<logan2611>
Cheatingâ„¢*L906[14:44:01] <Inari> @20kdc I meant
like, useless to have it on a OS-level or something if then program
shave to specifically support it
L907[14:44:27] <Inari> I still think lua
is a terrible choice for this anyway :P
L908[14:44:30] <logan2611>
also I asked because im making a mutlitasking OS and I dont want it
to die instantly when people start fisting it
<logan2611>
also I asked because im making a mutlitasking OS and I dont want it
to die instantly when people start fisting itL909[14:44:51] <20kdc>
That's kind of dependent on the library, mind. Like, devfs for
example. Do the adapters need to be around except when being
accessed?
<20kdc>
That's kind of dependent on the library, mind. Like, devfs for
example. Do the adapters need to be around except when being
accessed?L910[14:45:22] <20kdc> For
that matter, has that on-demand functionality already been
implemented?
<20kdc> For
that matter, has that on-demand functionality already been
implemented?L911[14:45:37] <Vexatos> "The genuine
Acme Co. Mnemomagicâ„¢ 47â„¢ Memory Stick: For when the constraints of
space-time just aren't quite enough!"
L912[14:45:39] <payonel> logan2611: if you
run user code in its own coroutine, and you can release and gc
anything that coroutine does, your kernel is safe from oom
L913[14:45:51] <logan2611>
oh thats good
<logan2611>
oh thats goodL914[14:45:53] <Vexatos> (yes, this is
what lshw will give you)
L915[14:46:15] <Vexatos> (yes, I spent way
too much time on device info that noone ever reads)
L916[14:46:17] <logan2611>
I thought computer go rip when memory runs out
<logan2611>
I thought computer go rip when memory runs outL917[14:46:36] <payonel> Vexatos: and too
much time worrying about immersion breaking with mod names :)
L918[14:46:41] <20kdc> TBH,
some OOM circumstances do prevent recovery
<20kdc> TBH,
some OOM circumstances do prevent recoveryL919[14:46:49] <payonel> @logan2611 nope,
not so bad
L920[14:46:53] <logan2611>
is there at least a way to see how much memory a program is
using
<logan2611>
is there at least a way to see how much memory a program is
usingL921[14:46:59] <logan2611>
tho
<logan2611>
thoL922[14:47:00] <payonel> logan2611
no
L923[14:47:02] <logan2611>
fuck
<logan2611>
fuckL924[14:47:10] <Vexatos> payonel, mod
namesß
L925[14:47:11] <Vexatos> ?
L926[14:47:14] <20kdc> You
could make estimates if you happen to have the ability to GC
<20kdc> You
could make estimates if you happen to have the ability to GCL927[14:47:22] <20kdc>
(payonel, is this a thing?)
<20kdc>
(payonel, is this a thing?)L928[14:47:33] <payonel> you cannot really
make good estimates
L929[14:47:36] <payonel> trust me on
that
L930[14:47:41] <20kdc>
true
<20kdc>
trueL931[14:47:50] <payonel> i wrote a
freakin' memory profiler for ocvm and openos testing
L932[14:47:57] <20kdc> what
I'd do is GC, get current used memory, wait until the coroutine's
done logging, GC, get current used memory
<20kdc> what
I'd do is GC, get current used memory, wait until the coroutine's
done logging, GC, get current used memoryL933[14:48:01] <20kdc>
*running
<20kdc>
*runningL934[14:48:23] <20kdc> but
that would only work if the coroutine never interacted with
anything else
<20kdc> but
that would only work if the coroutine never interacted with
anything elseL935[14:48:23] <payonel> yes, that is
reasonable -- but, you might actually see a drop. you might see 10x
the memory you actually allocated
L936[14:48:39] <payonel> why? it is a vm,
and it allocates in chunks as it sees fit
L937[14:48:48] <Inari> Ugh
L938[14:48:54] <20kdc>
that's one perspective, but there's even more fun to it
<20kdc>
that's one perspective, but there's even more fun to itL939[14:49:00] <20kdc>
like, if the coroutine *only* ever accessed stuff within itself,
great
<20kdc>
like, if the coroutine *only* ever accessed stuff within itself,
greatL940[14:49:06] <20kdc> but
in practice, what you actually end up with...
<20kdc> but
in practice, what you actually end up with...L941[14:49:28] <20kdc> is
that coroutine A accesses system service B which allocates memory
for itself, but deallocates it after coroutine A is done
<20kdc> is
that coroutine A accesses system service B which allocates memory
for itself, but deallocates it after coroutine A is doneL942[14:49:45] <20kdc> this
kind of tracking only works if you *heavily* isolate every
component involved
<20kdc> this
kind of tracking only works if you *heavily* isolate every
component involvedL943[14:49:54] <20kdc> and
what have we learned about clean code?
<20kdc> and
what have we learned about clean code?L944[14:49:58] <logan2611>
@20kdc how the fuck do you get current used memory
<logan2611>
@20kdc how the fuck do you get current used memoryL945[14:50:09] <logan2611>
send jelp
<logan2611>
send jelpL946[14:50:19] <payonel> @logankdc it is a
feature of lua's gc
L947[14:50:22] <payonel> you can ask
it
L948[14:50:35] <logan2611>
oh neat
<logan2611>
oh neatL949[14:50:36] <20kdc>
...logankdc?
<20kdc>
...logankdc?L950[14:50:39] <logan2611>
lol
<logan2611>
lolL951[14:50:41] <payonel> see:
collectgarbage
L952[14:50:53] <AmandaC> computer.memory
and computer.totalMemory
L953[14:50:55] <payonel> we don't expose
it in oc, directly
L954[14:50:55] <Inari> You can't in OC
though :s
L955[14:51:00] <payonel> but you can call
^ what AmandaC said
L956[14:51:01] <Inari> You have to yield
like 10 times
L957[14:51:04] <Inari> And it'll be called
:P
L958[14:51:13] <payonel> Inari: mostly,
yes
L959[14:51:13] <payonel> but
L960[14:51:18] <AmandaC> infina: or, in
OpenOS 2019 edition, roughtly 120 times
L961[14:51:23] <payonel> collectgarbage
has other arg options
L962[14:51:24] <AmandaC> :P
L963[14:51:33] <payonel> you can use it to
ask the current memory
L964[14:51:35] <AmandaC> Inari: see above,
sorry infina
L965[14:51:37] <gamax92> poor not
Inari
L966[14:51:41] <Inari> Whoever made htat
design decision...
L967[14:51:47] <payonel> not me :
L968[14:51:49] <payonel> :) *
L969[14:51:59] <gamax92> suspicious
L970[14:52:00] <payonel> anyways, this is
IDENTICAL to just calling computer.memory
L971[14:52:10] <payonel> oc intercepts the
vm allocations
L972[14:52:11] <payonel> so does
ocvm
L973[14:52:17] <Inari> "so, we'll
limit the memory usage, but we'll use a garbage collected language
that gives you about zero allocation control. Also we;ll forbid
calling the collector"
L974[14:52:19] <payonel> so the allocation
count is IDENTICAL to what the vm reports
L975[14:52:33] <payonel> Inari: no, that's
just us (oc)
L976[14:52:41] <Inari> payonel: Yes
L977[14:52:46] <Inari> I mean, the design
decision of OC
L978[14:52:47] <Inari> :p
L979[14:52:50] <payonel> =ah
L980[14:52:51] <payonel> :)
L981[14:52:53] <payonel> haha
L982[14:53:05] <payonel> i'd like to give
you gc control
L983[14:53:07] <payonel> blame soni
L984[14:53:15] <20kdc>
Inari: and now you know why the system security policy is kept in a
separate file that is only loaded occasionally...
<20kdc>
Inari: and now you know why the system security policy is kept in a
separate file that is only loaded occasionally...L985[14:53:24] <AmandaC> Ah, Soni asked
for it, so it now can never exist, right.
L986[14:53:27] <gamax92> no
L987[14:53:33] <AmandaC> ( Bad joke
)
L988[14:53:35] <gamax92> Soni discovered a
flaw in the gc metamethod
L989[14:53:40] <gamax92> so now no more gc
metamethod
L990[14:53:51] <AmandaC> I see
L991[14:53:57] <20kdc>
well, that's fine, I can actually emulate the gc metamethod
anyways
<20kdc>
well, that's fine, I can actually emulate the gc metamethod
anywaysL992[14:54:05] <logan2611>
?
<logan2611>
?L993[14:54:05] <20kdc>
...probably
<20kdc>
...probablyL994[14:54:16] <20kdc>
...unless, wait, no, that'd probably cause a reference loop
<20kdc>
...unless, wait, no, that'd probably cause a reference loopL995[14:54:17] <gamax92> and or that was
ds
L996[14:54:38] <20kdc>
Like, I thought "oh, let's just use a weak table and wait for
the key to disappear"
<20kdc>
Like, I thought "oh, let's just use a weak table and wait for
the key to disappear"L997[14:54:41] <Inari> %slap lua
L998[14:54:41] *
MichiBot slaps lua with Perl doing 23 damage
L999[14:55:01] <logan2611>
%slap logan2611
<logan2611>
%slap logan2611L1000[14:55:01] *
MichiBot slaps logan2611 with free coupons doing 6
damage
L1001[14:55:07] <logan2611> ouch not communism
<logan2611> ouch not communismL1002[14:55:13] <20kdc>
...and then I realized that the function in the \_\_gc callback
would likely refer to the value being GC'd
<20kdc>
...and then I realized that the function in the \_\_gc callback
would likely refer to the value being GC'dL1003[14:55:17] <20kdc>
thus causing a reference loop
<20kdc>
thus causing a reference loopL1004[14:55:24] <20kdc>
thus keeping it alive forever.
<20kdc>
thus keeping it alive forever.L1005[14:55:26] <Inari> ~markov
lewd
L1006[14:55:26] <ocdoc> Forecaster:
someone could be "oh its quite unlewd
L1007[14:55:41] <AmandaC> And we can't
have that!
L1008[14:55:57] <20kdc>
...So I guess it could be *partially* emulated with the exception
that the \_\_gc function can't actually ever hold a reference to
the value being GC'd.
<20kdc>
...So I guess it could be *partially* emulated with the exception
that the \_\_gc function can't actually ever hold a reference to
the value being GC'd.L1009[14:56:28] <Inari> Corded pls
L1010[14:56:45] <20kdc>
what did corded do
<20kdc>
what did corded doL1011[14:56:52] <20kdc>
...did it turn my message into underline
<20kdc>
...did it turn my message into underlineL1012[14:56:53] <Inari> It show your
escaping backslashes
L1013[14:57:00] <Inari> *shows
L1014[14:57:06] *
gamax92 cough
L1015[14:57:17] <Inari> %pet
gamax92
L1016[14:57:17] *
MichiBot pets gamax92 with N30. 9 health gained!
L1017[14:57:24] <logan2611> %pet life
<logan2611> %pet lifeL1018[14:57:24] *
MichiBot brushes life with ?. 8 health gained!
L1019[14:57:30] <gamax92> nothing
L1020[14:57:31] <gamax92> how
fitting
L1021[14:57:59] <Inari> %inv add garlic
milk
L1022[14:57:59] *
MichiBot summons 'garlic milk' and adds to her inventory. This
seems very sturdy.
L1023[14:58:02] <gamax92> wtf
L1024[14:58:07] <Inari> Vexatos: do you
think that'd taste good?
L1025[14:58:18] <20kdc>
...and now I read the Lua documentation, \_\_gc is actually
described as not working for tables, only for userdata
<20kdc>
...and now I read the Lua documentation, \_\_gc is actually
described as not working for tables, only for userdataL1027[14:58:36] <20kdc>
which is odd, because I remember it working for other stuff, but
ok
<20kdc>
which is odd, because I remember it working for other stuff, but
okL1028[14:58:50] <Inari> Garlic...
chocolate
L1029[14:59:03] <Vexatos> Inari, it
doesn't
L1030[14:59:04] <Vexatos> trust me
L1031[14:59:09] <Vexatos> uh
L1032[14:59:09] <Vexatos> yea
L1033[14:59:12] <Vexatos> just don't
ask
L1034[14:59:13] <Inari> I wonder why
theres no like.. garlic cream? Like Nutella, but garlic
L1035[14:59:17] <Vexatos> oh
L1036[14:59:18] <Vexatos> that
exists
L1037[14:59:27] <Vexatos> it's actually
really good on bread
L1038[14:59:28] <Inari> Haha
L1039[14:59:38] <Inari> Sounds neat
L1040[14:59:42] <Vexatos> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aioli
L1041[15:00:17] <Inari> Neat
L1042[15:00:28] <Vexatos> you can buy it
in any supermarket over here
L1043[15:00:28] <20kdc>
...now I'm confused. So \_\_gc didn't exist for tables, then it did
exist in some version of Lua, but then it turned out it wasn't
following the rules so now it doesn't exist.
<20kdc>
...now I'm confused. So \_\_gc didn't exist for tables, then it did
exist in some version of Lua, but then it turned out it wasn't
following the rules so now it doesn't exist.L1044[15:01:17] <20kdc>
...Now I'm wondering if \_\_gc could be replaced with a function
that delay-calls \_\_gc at the next pullSignal.
<20kdc>
...Now I'm wondering if \_\_gc could be replaced with a function
that delay-calls \_\_gc at the next pullSignal.L1045[15:01:32] <20kdc>
Not that this would be doable from anything but machine.lua-level
code...
<20kdc>
Not that this would be doable from anything but machine.lua-level
code...L1046[15:01:40] <gamax92> Lua 5.2 added
in support for __gc on tables
L1047[15:02:35] <Inari> Vexatos:
"over here"?
L1048[15:02:50] <20kdc>
ok, so the small print on \_\_gc suggests that wrapping \_\_gc in
machine.lua would theoretically work
<20kdc>
ok, so the small print on \_\_gc suggests that wrapping \_\_gc in
machine.lua would theoretically workL1049[15:02:56] <Vexatos> Inari, where I
live it's everywhere
L1050[15:03:09] <Inari> Where aws that
again though :P
L1051[15:03:17] <Inari> I've never seen
it here, but then again, I haven't looked for it
L1052[15:03:21] <payonel> @20kdc:
https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1686
L1053[15:03:21] <MichiBot> Title:
__gc is still not fully fixed | Posted by: ds84182 |
Posted: Wed Mar 09 18:21:37 CST 2016 | Status:
open
L1054[15:03:28] <20kdc>
...and then I looked at machine.lua and they seem to be wrapping
\_\_gc or something
<20kdc>
...and then I looked at machine.lua and they seem to be wrapping
\_\_gc or somethingL1055[15:05:03] <20kdc>
you know what, I'm just going to assume anything I could think of
regarding \_\_gc has already been thought of or doesn't work
<20kdc>
you know what, I'm just going to assume anything I could think of
regarding \_\_gc has already been thought of or doesn't workL1056[15:07:33] <20kdc>
AmandaC: hopefully fixed the KittenOS NEO launcher mess
<20kdc>
AmandaC: hopefully fixed the KittenOS NEO launcher messL1057[15:11:17] <gamax92> :b:
L1058[15:11:31] <gamax92> ?
<gamax92> ?L1059[15:11:46] <payonel> ?
L1060[15:11:48] <gamax92> oh right it
keeps the emoji when going to irc
L1061[15:12:20] <AmandaC> @20kdc Works,
nice. :)
L1062[15:12:36] <AmandaC> @20kdc what was
wrong, I peeked at the git commit and didn't see anything
obvious
L1063[15:13:00] <20kdc>
I got an "or" the wrong way around
<20kdc>
I got an "or" the wrong way aroundL1064[15:13:04] <AmandaC> ah
L1065[15:13:27] <20kdc>
it was basically "defValue or newValue" rather than
"newValue or defValue"
<20kdc>
it was basically "defValue or newValue" rather than
"newValue or defValue"L1066[15:13:36] <Inari> I wonder if
deep-fried cat fur would actually become chewable
L1067[15:13:43] <20kdc>
no frying of cat fur!
<20kdc>
no frying of cat fur!L1068[15:13:48] <20kdc>
that's mean to cats!
<20kdc>
that's mean to cats!L1069[15:13:57] <20kdc>
...unless, like, the cat willingly gave you fur?
<20kdc>
...unless, like, the cat willingly gave you fur?L1070[15:13:59] *
AmandaC looks at Inari oddly
L1071[15:14:13] <Inari> Cats lose plenty
of fur all day long
L1072[15:14:53] <gamax92> Inari
what
L1073[15:15:23] <Inari> gamax92: ?
L1074[15:16:04] <gamax92> I've been gone
for a while that I'm no longer used to Inari
L1075[15:16:59] <Inari> %pet
gamax92
L1076[15:16:59] *
MichiBot brushes gamax92 with Spectre plushie toy. 17 health
gained!
L1077[15:22:20] <payonel> @20kdc is your
"safe text format" because of wide glyph artifacts?
L1078[15:22:43]
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(payonel!~payonel@2607:5300:61:8d9::bad:c0de)
L1079[15:22:43]
zsh sets mode: +v on payonel
L1080[15:23:36] <20kdc>
payonel: "safeTextFormat"'s job is basically to allow
unicode.len & co. to manipulate a string in screen units
<20kdc>
payonel: "safeTextFormat"'s job is basically to allow
unicode.len & co. to manipulate a string in screen unitsL1081[15:23:51] <gamax92>
unicode.wlen?
L1082[15:24:09] <20kdc>
"undoSafeTextFormat"'s job is to get rid of any possible
artifacts that could occur. And unicode.wlen is fun, but you can't
unicode.sub it.
<20kdc>
"undoSafeTextFormat"'s job is to get rid of any possible
artifacts that could occur. And unicode.wlen is fun, but you can't
unicode.sub it.L1083[15:24:31] <payonel> unicode.len
?
L1084[15:24:47] <payonel> we fixed the
artifacts bug, fyi
L1085[15:24:59] <payonel> you use wlen to
measure screen position
L1086[15:25:01] <payonel> len to measure
index
L1087[15:25:28] <20kdc>
to summarize: wtrunc only truncates based on a count,
<20kdc>
to summarize: wtrunc only truncates based on a count,L1088[15:25:41] <gamax92> wtrunc is an
odd function, will agree
L1089[15:25:50] <20kdc>
so left-cropping is annoying with it
<20kdc>
so left-cropping is annoying with itL1090[15:26:00] <payonel> i hate how
wtrunc throws
L1091[15:26:07] <payonel> yep
L1092[15:26:12] <20kdc>
My solution was to just write a function to pad everything,
<20kdc>
My solution was to just write a function to pad everything,L1093[15:26:17] <20kdc>
then use unicode functions to manipulate it,
<20kdc>
then use unicode functions to manipulate it,L1094[15:26:31] <20kdc>
then write a function to unpad everything & get rid of
characters that were too close to the right edge of the
string
<20kdc>
then write a function to unpad everything & get rid of
characters that were too close to the right edge of the
stringL1095[15:27:01] <gamax92> wtrunc is a
broken function but then we started relying on it's issues and so
now they're forever
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(ben_mkiv!~ben_mkiv@p579729eb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
L1097[15:27:49] <20kdc>
my "unicode.safeTextFormat" extension is basically
forever for me, but that's fine, because it's a simple enough API
for my uses
<20kdc>
my "unicode.safeTextFormat" extension is basically
forever for me, but that's fine, because it's a simple enough API
for my usesL1098[15:28:59] <payonel> there are two
places i need wtrunc in openos: 1. wrapping on right, and 2.
cropping in front (on horizontal scrolling input)
L1099[15:29:36] <20kdc>
I use my equivalent to wsub a lot in the display stuff around
KittenOS NEO for... probably obvious reasons
<20kdc>
I use my equivalent to wsub a lot in the display stuff around
KittenOS NEO for... probably obvious reasonsL1100[15:29:47] <20kdc>
it's very useful to be able to just crop the first or last section
display-wise
<20kdc>
it's very useful to be able to just crop the first or last section
display-wiseL1101[15:29:59] <gamax92> I can't
remember where we had an issue with it before ... I think it was me
accidentally writing shift-jis garbage to the screen
L1102[15:30:41] <payonel> @20kdc yeah,
it's just that subbing like that is going to be slow. but it won't
matter for 10s or 100s of chars
L1103[15:30:59] <payonel> i needed to
optimize my tty out for, example, cat'ing huge files
L1104[15:31:36] <payonel> i only brought
it up because i was concerned you had to do that because of
artifacts
L1105[15:31:41] <payonel> which we've
fixed
L1106[15:32:00] <20kdc>
Nope. I had to do it for sanity reasons. Artifacts were covered by
me disabling GPU copy in Everest for a while, but I brought it back
after I noticed they were fixed
<20kdc>
Nope. I had to do it for sanity reasons. Artifacts were covered by
me disabling GPU copy in Everest for a while, but I brought it back
after I noticed they were fixedL1107[15:32:06] <20kdc>
so now you can move about windows faster
<20kdc>
so now you can move about windows fasterL1108[15:32:37] <20kdc>
moving a window is basically now GPU copy -> draw everything
*other* than the window that just moved
<20kdc>
moving a window is basically now GPU copy -> draw everything
*other* than the window that just movedL1109[15:33:33] <gamax92> hmm ... where
can I get this OS of yours btw
L1110[15:33:46] <payonel> https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/
L1111[15:34:14] <gamax92> terrible
readme
L1112[15:34:20] <payonel> haha
L1113[15:34:36] <20kdc>
payonel: thanks! gamax92: Use the code folder if you just want to
copy stuff onto a disk, otherwise: https://20kdc.duckdns.org/neo-inst-dev.lua
<20kdc>
payonel: thanks! gamax92: Use the code folder if you just want to
copy stuff onto a disk, otherwise: https://20kdc.duckdns.org/neo-inst-dev.luaL1114[15:34:40] <Inari> Oh I didn't
realize it's payo's OS
L1115[15:34:44] <Inari> Or wait
L1116[15:34:47] <Inari> it isn't
L1117[15:34:48] <Inari> I think
L1118[15:34:50] <Inari> Or is it
L1119[15:34:54] <payonel> >_> nope,
20kdc's :)
L1120[15:34:54] <AmandaC> it's
@20kdc's
L1121[15:34:58] <Inari> Ah :P
L1122[15:34:59] <payonel> i only have 1
os
L1123[15:35:05] <gamax92> PayOS
L1124[15:35:09] <payonel> :)
L1125[15:35:13] <AmandaC> payo was just
answering for 20kdc. :P
L1126[15:35:21] <Mimiru> @gerard are you
dynamically generating those or what?
L1127[15:35:48] <AmandaC> @Mimiru
considering it's a javascript plugin thing for discord, they're
probably doing some css shenanagins
L1128[15:36:02] <Mimiru> eh.. yeah
L1129[15:36:05] <gamax92> canvas
shenanigans
L1130[15:36:12] <Mimiru> was wanting to
avoid making a fuckton of images.
L1131[15:36:21] <gamax92> make canvas,
draw to canvas, dump image data to base64 url
L1132[15:36:47] <Inari> What are we
talking about
L1133[15:36:56] <payonel> humping
rhinos
L1134[15:37:11] <20kdc>
hmm, I wonder - payonel, would entering "base64 >
inst.lua" into OpenOS and then pasting 2K base64 buffers work
as a bootstrap method?
<20kdc>
hmm, I wonder - payonel, would entering "base64 >
inst.lua" into OpenOS and then pasting 2K base64 buffers work
as a bootstrap method?L1135[15:37:16] <payonel> f**kton of
images
L1136[15:37:18] <gamax92>
L1137[15:37:27] <Inari> Who's gerard
even
L1138[15:37:34] <gamax92> A user on
discord
L1139[15:38:17] <payonel> 20kdc: why
base64? pasting where?
L1140[15:38:24] <Inari> So what are they
generating
L1141[15:38:27] <Mimiru> Inari did this
http://tinyurl.com/y9rxyvzd
L1142[15:38:47] <Inari> I see
L1143[15:39:06] <Inari> Well It would be
26 images
L1144[15:39:22] <gamax92> letters and
color combinations
L1145[15:39:41] <20kdc>
payonel: The installer isn't strictly ASCII... or UTF-8. So it'd
need to be in base64. And pasting into an OpenOS terminal with a
base64 decoder running, if base64 is supplied by default.
<20kdc>
payonel: The installer isn't strictly ASCII... or UTF-8. So it'd
need to be in base64. And pasting into an OpenOS terminal with a
base64 decoder running, if base64 is supplied by default.L1146[15:39:50]
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L1147[15:40:09] <Mimiru> tempting to just
dynamically generate them on the fly
L1148[15:40:13] <gamax92> oh jeez
L1149[15:40:26] <Mimiru> cache them
L1150[15:40:27] <Mimiru> ofc
L1151[15:40:29] <gamax92> @20kdc I killed
pulseaudio by running cat on tht file
L1152[15:40:33] <20kdc>
payonel: ...so apparently base64 is *not* supplied by default.
That's that mystery solved.
<20kdc>
payonel: ...so apparently base64 is *not* supplied by default.
That's that mystery solved.L1153[15:40:48] <20kdc>
gamax92: You can kill pulseaudio by coughing mildly in front of
it.
<20kdc>
gamax92: You can kill pulseaudio by coughing mildly in front of
it.L1154[15:40:52] <gamax92> Yeah well
L1155[15:40:54] <payonel> 20kdc: you mean
like `curl -s url | bas64 -d > inst.lua; ./inst.lua` ?
L1156[15:41:00] <gamax92> fuck setting up
jack
L1157[15:41:08] <gamax92> and alsa only
isn't an option
L1158[15:41:16] <20kdc>
gamax92: True, and also true.
<20kdc>
gamax92: True, and also true.L1159[15:41:25] <logan2611> `
emergencyFunction("detected bytecode access, preventing (only
remove this block if you trust every app ever on your KittenOS NEO
system)")
<logan2611> `
emergencyFunction("detected bytecode access, preventing (only
remove this block if you trust every app ever on your KittenOS NEO
system)")L1160[15:41:26] <logan2611> `
<logan2611> `L1161[15:41:27] <logan2611> hmmm
<logan2611> hmmmL1162[15:41:33] <logan2611> ?
<logan2611> ?L1163[15:42:28] <20kdc>
payonel: No, more like `base64 -d > init.lua ; eject ; reboot`,
but it seems there's no base64 supplied by default that I know of,
so it's a moot point.
<20kdc>
payonel: No, more like `base64 -d > init.lua ; eject ; reboot`,
but it seems there's no base64 supplied by default that I know of,
so it's a moot point.L1164[15:42:38] <logan2611> pretty sure a virus can evade
that function pretty easily
<logan2611> pretty sure a virus can evade
that function pretty easilyL1165[15:42:46] <payonel> anyways, yes,
> works just fine
L1166[15:42:55] <20kdc>
logan2611: If you give it c.filesystem access, yes.
<20kdc>
logan2611: If you give it c.filesystem access, yes.L1167[15:43:14] <20kdc>
Or if it manages to break KittenOS NEO security anyway, in which
case, please report the bug ASAP.
<20kdc>
Or if it manages to break KittenOS NEO security anyway, in which
case, please report the bug ASAP.L1168[15:43:29] <20kdc>
Frankly, if that line even runs, you're already taking a
risk.,
<20kdc>
Frankly, if that line even runs, you're already taking a
risk.,L1169[15:43:57] <gamax92> But yeah it's
cause the terminal tries to be a whole bunch of times rapidly which
causes a bunch of alsa queue overruns
L1170[15:44:03] <gamax92> beep*
L1171[15:44:36] <20kdc>
sounds fun! anyway, yeah, don't cat that file, it's actually mostly
binary data
<20kdc>
sounds fun! anyway, yeah, don't cat that file, it's actually mostly
binary dataL1172[15:44:41] <payonel> @20kdc: and you
can paste all you want into the terminal, though don't try scroll
back up if your input goes longer than a screen height
L1173[15:44:58] <payonel> because i dont
do buffering for that, and it'll just look confusing
L1174[15:45:02] <payonel> it's one of
those bugs-not-a-bug
L1175[15:45:07] <Corded> * <20kdc>
nods
L1176[15:46:32] <20kdc>
gamax92: for reference, you aren't missing much (you know, some of
these spaces could probably be removed...) http://tinyurl.com/yayvlla5
<20kdc>
gamax92: for reference, you aren't missing much (you know, some of
these spaces could probably be removed...) http://tinyurl.com/yayvlla5L1177[15:46:51] <20kdc>
...no idea if Corded sends over Discord attachments, if not, I'll
host that elsewhere
<20kdc>
...no idea if Corded sends over Discord attachments, if not, I'll
host that elsewhereL1178[15:46:57] <Mimiru> it does
L1179[15:47:08] <Mimiru> http://tinyurl.com/yayvlla5
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L1181[15:49:24] <gamax92> %lua if
324=324then print("Hello")end
L1182[15:49:24] <MichiBot> main:1: 'then'
expected near '='
L1183[15:49:39] <gamax92> err
right.
L1184[15:49:44] <gamax92> %lua if
324==324then print("Hello")end
L1185[15:49:44] <MichiBot> Hello
L1186[15:49:50] <20kdc>
Lovely, isn't it?
<20kdc>
Lovely, isn't it?L1187[15:49:59] <20kdc>
...by which I of course mean horrifying
<20kdc>
...by which I of course mean horrifyingL1188[15:50:03] <gamax92> didn't know you
could omit the space before the then
L1189[15:50:10] <20kdc>
Only in certain cases.
<20kdc>
Only in certain cases.L1190[15:50:16] <gamax92> numbers
only?
L1191[15:50:40] <20kdc>
Not just numbers, also strings, but not IDs
<20kdc>
Not just numbers, also strings, but not IDsL1192[15:50:49] <gamax92> cool
L1193[15:51:02] <20kdc>
basically, if the token can't be continued with the character, then
it'll work
<20kdc>
basically, if the token can't be continued with the character, then
it'll workL1194[15:51:33] <20kdc>
"while 1do print(1)end" will fail because "1d"
is actually considered a valid part of a number
<20kdc>
"while 1do print(1)end" will fail because "1d"
is actually considered a valid part of a numberL1195[15:51:37] <20kdc>
right up until it isn't
<20kdc>
right up until it isn'tL1196[15:52:15] <20kdc>
but "1t" is considered "1" then
"t"
<20kdc>
but "1t" is considered "1" then
"t"L1197[15:52:34] <20kdc>
also note that ")" is a token all by itself, and you can
put just about anything immediately after it
<20kdc>
also note that ")" is a token all by itself, and you can
put just about anything immediately after itL1198[15:53:50] <20kdc>
if you want to take it to ridiculously useless levels,
<20kdc>
if you want to take it to ridiculously useless levels,L1199[15:54:01] <20kdc>
try: if""==1then;print(1)end
<20kdc>
try: if""==1then;print(1)endL1200[15:54:11] <20kdc>
and apparently that semicolon is somehow valid
<20kdc>
and apparently that semicolon is somehow validL1201[15:54:36]
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L1202[15:56:55] <AmandaC> @20kdc is it
expected that calling <x.neo.pub.base>.lockPerm doesn't work
for services? ( Or, at least, services that get auto-started ) -- I
vaguely recall reading sometiing about that in the docs, but can't
seem to find it again
L1203[15:58:36] <20kdc>
It won't work properly the first time, but it will work properly
later. That's not documented, but I will document it now. The
problem is that autostart occurs only after security has been
confirmed, since otherwise any process can go starting
services.
<20kdc>
It won't work properly the first time, but it will work properly
later. That's not documented, but I will document it now. The
problem is that autostart occurs only after security has been
confirmed, since otherwise any process can go starting
services.L1204[15:59:00] <20kdc>
Then again, the implications suggest that it's preferable that any
process can go accidentally starting services as opposed to any
process being able to *use* any service...
<20kdc>
Then again, the implications suggest that it's preferable that any
process can go accidentally starting services as opposed to any
process being able to *use* any service...L1205[16:00:54] <AmandaC> Hrm. I'm not
getting any security prompt after the second time of launching a
service.
L1206[16:01:08] <20kdc>
...ok, then that's lockPerm apparently not working entirely for
some reason
<20kdc>
...ok, then that's lockPerm apparently not working entirely for
some reasonL1207[16:01:24] <AmandaC> Or I'm not
using lockPerm right:
icecap.lockPerm("x.svc.lilac")
L1208[16:01:47] <20kdc>
That should be correct if you register with
"r.svc.lilac"
<20kdc>
That should be correct if you register with
"r.svc.lilac"L1209[16:01:59] <AmandaC> yup
L1210[16:02:01] <20kdc>
If you register with "r.svc.lilac/123", then you have to
lock "x.svc.lilac/123"
<20kdc>
If you register with "r.svc.lilac/123", then you have to
lock "x.svc.lilac/123"L1211[16:02:24] <AmandaC> I register
r.svc.lilac and r.svc.lilac/settings -- and also do
icecap.lockPerm("x.svc.lilac/settings")
L1212[16:03:36] <20kdc>
It might be that there is a pre-existing setting blocking lockPerm.
Check that the "perm|\*|x.svc.lilac/settings" setting
exists and is set to "ask".
<20kdc>
It might be that there is a pre-existing setting blocking lockPerm.
Check that the "perm|\*|x.svc.lilac/settings" setting
exists and is set to "ask".L1213[16:05:08] <AmandaC> yup, there's
also a "perm|*|x.svc.lilac" also setto
"ask"
L1214[16:05:50] <20kdc>
In which case, check if a program-specific disable has been put in
place, which is
"perm|app-yourappname|x.svc.lilac/settings".
<20kdc>
In which case, check if a program-specific disable has been put in
place, which is
"perm|app-yourappname|x.svc.lilac/settings".L1215[16:06:25] <AmandaC> Nope
L1216[16:06:37] <20kdc>
...in which case, I have no idea. It should be asking in this
case.
<20kdc>
...in which case, I have no idea. It should be asking in this
case.L1217[16:08:54] <AmandaC> I think it's
these lines: https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/blob/e487439b3b4455559b10871cab7e7981eb3b75f7/code/libs/sys-secpolicy.lua#L37-L42
L1218[16:09:11] <AmandaC> actualPolicy is
getting called when perm|*|<foo> returns "ask" and
then that's returning "allow"
L1219[16:09:22] <20kdc>
..and I apparently managed to screw that up, huh
<20kdc>
..and I apparently managed to screw that up, huhL1220[16:19:03] <20kdc>
AmandaC: everything should be fixed now, thanks
<20kdc>
AmandaC: everything should be fixed now, thanksL1221[16:19:11] <20kdc>
the dev build is in the same place as usual
<20kdc>
the dev build is in the same place as usualL1222[16:19:41] <20kdc>
also, at some point I made it so that you can copy/paste to/from
NeoUX textfields
<20kdc>
also, at some point I made it so that you can copy/paste to/from
NeoUX textfieldsL1223[16:19:55] <20kdc>
using F4/F5.
<20kdc>
using F4/F5.L1224[16:20:11] <20kdc>
...no, wait, F5/F6.
<20kdc>
...no, wait, F5/F6.L1225[16:20:14] <20kdc>
I keep getting the two confused.
<20kdc>
I keep getting the two confused.L1226[16:20:34] <Inari> https://www.ecma-international.org/
L1227[16:20:54] <20kdc>
...really?
<20kdc>
...really?L1228[16:21:05] <gamax92> hmm ... I
thought I needed to add argument support to the ocemu win stub but
the code for that is already there.
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ship is outdated
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L1233[16:40:25] <gerard>
Mimiru, the color is based on the key codes of the username
<gerard>
Mimiru, the color is based on the key codes of the usernameL1234[16:40:37] <gerard>
So it's not all random, the color will always be the same for the
given user
<gerard>
So it's not all random, the color will always be the same for the
given userL1235[16:40:44] <gerard>
Also the image is cached for each user
<gerard>
Also the image is cached for each userL1236[16:40:57] <gerard>
So no, it aren't 27 images, it's 3.
<gerard>
So no, it aren't 27 images, it's 3.L1237[16:41:25] <Inari> Well
L1238[16:41:32] <gerard>
And yeah they are base64 encoded, because I was too lazy to search
up the URL generation thingy
<gerard>
And yeah they are base64 encoded, because I was too lazy to search
up the URL generation thingyL1239[16:41:41] <gerard>
It would be better, I know
<gerard>
It would be better, I knowL1240[16:41:52] <Inari> It's "number
of users with same letter and same colour code" :D
L1241[16:42:58] <gerard>
Yeah, :D
<gerard>
Yeah, :DL1242[16:43:07] <gerard>
Because I'm dumb and I look at profile pictures
<gerard>
Because I'm dumb and I look at profile picturesL1243[16:43:12] <gerard>
Instead of usernames
<gerard>
Instead of usernamesL1244[16:44:00] <Wuerfel_21> ^^
<Wuerfel_21> ^^L1245[16:56:15]
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L1246[17:00:30] <Mimiru> https://michi.pc-logix.com/DiscordPTB_2018-04-23_17-00-23.png
L1247[17:01:24] <Mimiru> cause I got
bored after everything started working again.
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L1251[17:04:58] <Mimiru> Moop
L1252[17:05:04] <Mimiru>
Oh, right
<Mimiru>
Oh, rightL1253[17:05:08] <Mimiru> Anyway
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L1255[17:05:43] <Wuerfel_21> Ayyy
<Wuerfel_21> AyyyL1256[17:07:43] <gamax92> that
works
L1257[17:08:26] <Wuerfel_21> The letters aren't centered.
Luckily, i don't have that much OCD
<Wuerfel_21> The letters aren't centered.
Luckily, i don't have that much OCDL1258[17:09:55] <Mimiru>
it took forever to get them this close.
<Mimiru>
it took forever to get them this close.L1259[17:10:18]
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L1260[17:10:57] <Mimiru>
imagettfbbox is dumb.
<Mimiru>
imagettfbbox is dumb.L1261[17:10:58] <Mimiru>
mkay
<Mimiru>
mkayL1262[17:12:10] <Mimiru> but yeah
L1263[17:12:35] <Mimiru> A fixed width
font may have made it easier... but you get arial for now
L1264[17:14:02] <Wuerfel_21> WE WANT COMIC PARCHMENT
<Wuerfel_21> WE WANT COMIC PARCHMENTL1265[17:14:44] <Wuerfel_21> Comrades! Seize the means of
text production!
<Wuerfel_21> Comrades! Seize the means of
text production!L1266[17:15:17] <Mimiru> http://caitlynmainer.com/discord/yuri/generateavatar.php?nick=AmandaC
A is misaligned here, but http://caitlynmainer.com/discord/yuri/generateavatar.php?nick=Mimiru
M is pretty close...
L1267[17:16:54] <Mimiru> But if I take
the offset out, M is a little off, but A is much closer..
L1268[17:17:03] <Mimiru> but to Align A,
I have to offset M WAY to much
L1269[17:17:16] <20kdc>
don't try just `@`
<20kdc>
don't try just `@`L1270[17:17:20] <gamax92> oh yeah, don't
make a circle in your generated avatars, just let discord crop
it
L1271[17:17:26] <20kdc>
...wait, did I ping someone again... flip.
<20kdc>
...wait, did I ping someone again... flip.L1272[17:17:52] <Mimiru> gamax92, the
circle doesn't matter really for the text though
L1273[17:17:59] <20kdc>
...wait, I think that was also a -- why is it everybody has
usernames that it is really easy to accidentally write
<20kdc>
...wait, I think that was also a -- why is it everybody has
usernames that it is really easy to accidentally writeL1274[17:18:23] <gamax92> is my name easy
to accidentally write?
L1275[17:18:49] <20kdc>
no
<20kdc>
noL1276[17:19:07] <20kdc>
it's just that at least two people AFAIK have names that are easy
enough to accidentally write to be a deathtrap
<20kdc>
it's just that at least two people AFAIK have names that are easy
enough to accidentally write to be a deathtrapL1277[17:20:08] <Mimiru> But anyway,
imagettfbbox is assuming a square, which is what the image actually
is
L1278[17:20:11] <Forecaster> Use the font OC uses :D
<Forecaster> Use the font OC uses :DL1279[17:20:17] <Mimiru> I'm just drawing
a circle on top of it.
L1280[17:20:18] <Mimiru> No.
L1281[17:20:20] <Mimiru> :D
L1282[17:20:49] <Forecaster> D:
<Forecaster> D:L1283[17:20:59] <20kdc>
one person has the same name as the Discord code tag character, and
the other has the name of the word describing what will happen to
the former when said character is written
<20kdc>
one person has the same name as the Discord code tag character, and
the other has the name of the word describing what will happen to
the former when said character is writtenL1284[17:21:19] <Forecaster> But it's uniwidth :P
<Forecaster> But it's uniwidth :PL1285[17:25:26] <AmandaC> %choose 7ds now
or later
L1286[17:25:27] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
later
L1287[17:26:54] <Mimiru>
I think I've got them closer.
<Mimiru>
I think I've got them closer.L1288[17:26:59] <Mimiru> Test
L1289[17:27:13] <Mimiru> But I also thing
Discord Caches.. lol
L1290[17:27:28] <Wuerfel_21> Discords ping syntax is way
superior to IRCs nonstandardized proto-pings
<Wuerfel_21> Discords ping syntax is way
superior to IRCs nonstandardized proto-pingsL1291[17:27:58] <Mimiru> http://caitlynmainer.com/discord/yuri/generateavatar.php?nick=Mimiru
http://caitlynmainer.com/discord/yuri/generateavatar.php?nick=Sangar
L1292[17:30:06] <Mimiru> http://caitlynmainer.com/discord/yuri/generateavatar.php?nick=@
even works a bit better lol
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L1296[19:02:26] <AmandaC> %tell Inari no
fair, no running off when I'm watching anime D:
L1297[19:02:26] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L1298[19:12:16] <AmandaC> %choose fmp or
one of the dozens of other animes or start a new one
L1299[19:12:16] <MichiBot> AmandaC: start
a new one
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L1301[20:25:48] <AmandaC> @20kdc the note
added to us-perms is interesting, I'll have to change my lilac
thing tomorrow to make sure
L1302[20:36:41] <Mimiru> https://www.humblebundle.com/store/pc-building-simulator
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L1306[21:04:37] <brandonator> oh
L1307[21:04:46] <brandonator> this
actually works
L1308[21:04:56] <Mimiru> In theory.
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L1313[21:43:29] <logan2611> coming up with OS names is
hard
<logan2611> coming up with OS names is
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L1317[23:16:25] <Izaya> alrighty,
resurrected my PsychOS scheduler and basic kernel
L1318[23:16:27] <Izaya> much smaller
now
L1319[23:17:22] <Izaya> actually that's a
lie I'm not writing it in ICS it's actually something
understandable by humans and as such about the same size
L1320[23:17:25] <Izaya> but I skipped
users and stuff
L1321[23:58:39] <S3> Izaya: as long as a
little green guy says "I am root" when you log in as root
then it's authentic
L1322[23:59:04] <Izaya> reeeeeeee
L1323[23:59:10] <Izaya> Also, no
root
L1324[23:59:16] <Izaya> This is not a
Unix system
L1325[23:59:25] <Izaya> Or any sort of
system, really
L1326[23:59:30] <Izaya> It's a
scheduler
L1327[23:59:54] <S3> root