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L1[00:00:59]
<Nightmare>
@boiler comcast has been injecting shit like this for years
L2[00:01:12]
<boiler>
ree
L3[00:59:05] <Moongoodboy{K}> Net neutrality
doesn't actually say anything about injection.
L4[01:00:08] <Moongoodboy{K}> Although
injections that break or hinder your use of the site would be
against it (in spirit at least; I'm sure the terribad ISPs would
fight)
L5[01:00:22] <Moongoodboy{K}> but those that
don't, well…!
L6[01:00:40] <Moongoodboy{K}> This is why
you use TLS. For everything. Always.
L7[01:01:25] <Moongoodboy{K}> Unless you're
already using a different in-transit privacy protocol (e.g.
SSH)
L8[01:03:20] <Moongoodboy{K}> payonel: your
work runs a proxy server on their VPN? O.o
L9[01:05:19] <Moongoodboy{K}> That said, we
have seen the effects of not having legal NN long before,
immediately before, and immediately after its repeal (including a
quiet takedown of a page by one of the big horrible four that
promised not to fuck people over).
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L12[02:25:33] <Kodos> Wheeee, internet went
to shyte for some reason
L13[02:25:40] <Kodos> 70 Kbps...
L14[02:29:47]
<Forecaster>
I still have no internet at home since yesterday >:
L15[02:31:22] <Kodos> Indeed. I'm going to
bed, but if this is still this slow in the morning, I'm calling and
demanding credit to my account for every day this slow shit
persists
L16[02:31:51] <Izaya> payonel: you have a
program or something for testing Lua code, right?
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L18[02:40:34] <Moongoodboy{K}> Testing Lua
code?
L19[02:40:48] <Moongoodboy{K}> wouldn't you
just test Lua code…with more Lua code?
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<Forecaster>
How do you know the program isn't a Lua program? :P
L23[02:54:47] <Izaya> Moongoodboy{K}: I'm
hoping for something that can automate my testing
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<Forecaster>
%shell
L45[03:10:39] *
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ground near infina, alfw and Yarillo. They each take 1, 5 and 2
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L47[03:32:59] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L48[03:32:59] *
MichiBot pets AmandaC with an apple. AmandaC recovers 4
health!
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L50[04:02:41] <Moongoodboy{K}> Izaya: a
good language will have a testing module in its stdlib
>.>
L51[04:02:53] <Moongoodboy{K}> …but since
this is Lua we're talking about… ;p
L52[04:03:05] <Moongoodboy{K}> Someone's
probably written a third-party one
L53[04:03:08] <Izaya> Are these languages
you speak of not fuckhuge?
L55[04:03:28] <Moongoodboy{K}> Basically
every language ever, except C
L56[04:03:37] <Izaya> Forth isn't fuckhuge
:D
L57[04:03:55] <Moongoodboy{K}> has Forth
even updated since, like, 1985?
L58[04:04:00] <Izaya> That said I've come
to the conclusion that Forth programmers are either paid lots or
mentally deranged.
L59[04:04:03] <Izaya> Including
myself.
L60[04:04:04] <Moongoodboy{K}> I never hear
jack about Forth
L61[04:04:10] <Izaya> Forth is no single
implementation
L62[04:04:16] <Izaya> It's more a concept
or family of languages
L63[04:04:26] <Moongoodboy{K}> s/Forth/any
major Forth implementation/
L64[04:04:32] <Moongoodboy{K}> that applies
to most languages as well
L65[04:04:39] <Moongoodboy{K}> including
Java!
L66[04:04:52] <Moongoodboy{K}> which is,
like, one where you'd least expect that XP
L67[04:05:03] <Izaya> no but like, you
don't say C and mean C#
L68[04:05:15] <Izaya> There's lots of
variation and each implementation is usually incompatible
L69[04:05:26] <Izaya> except for the ones
that comply with that standard most people don't care about
L70[04:05:48] <Izaya> and often you'll end
up implementing your own Forth if you're doing embedded work or
similar
L71[04:05:58] <Izaya> but uh
L72[04:06:06] <Izaya> most major
implementations don't get updates much because uh
L73[04:06:08] <Izaya> well
L74[04:06:16] <Izaya> a) it's not very
popular
L75[04:06:34] <Izaya> b) people that use it
often don't release their code because it's specific to their
application and useless for just about anything else
L76[04:11:40] <Moongoodboy{K}> C and C# are
completely different languages.
L77[04:11:50] <Moongoodboy{K}> Are the
various Forths similarly different languages?
L78[04:12:04] <Moongoodboy{K}> You'd think,
being called Forth, that they'd be largely the same.
L79[04:12:18] <Moongoodboy{K}> Maybe, like,
stdlib differences at most.
L80[04:12:33] <Moongoodboy{K}> Or, like,
differences in minor langauhe features
L81[04:13:01] <Izaya> The core concept is
that you have a stack
L82[04:13:20] <Moongoodboy{K}> ew,
stack-based. :(
L83[04:13:24] <Izaya> beyond that there
isn't a huge amount of standardisation, unless you're using ANSI
forth of some kind
L84[04:13:53] *
Moongoodboy{K} stares.
L85[04:14:05] <Moongoodboy{K}> You have a
stack. That's it?
L86[04:14:25] <Moongoodboy{K}> Surely
there's a common syntax, type system…?
L87[04:14:33] <Izaya> No types.
L88[04:14:36] <Izaya> Just pointers.
L89[04:14:40] <Izaya> Unless you implement
your own types.
L91[04:14:58] <Izaya> And the syntax is
generally 'spaces separate words,' unless they don't.
L92[04:15:03] <Moongoodboy{K}> how do you
implement your own types from scratch without dropping into
assembly?
L93[04:15:15] <Izaya> generally you can
read and write memory locations
L94[04:15:25] <Moongoodboy{K}> okay, there,
see, that's something
L95[04:15:32] <Izaya> not always
though
L96[04:15:32] *
Moongoodboy{K} …wikipedias Forth
L97[04:15:37] <Izaya> sometimes you'll also
have multiple stacks
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L101[04:19:59] <Moongoodboy{K}> …hah,
there's a GNU Forth. Go figure.
L102[04:20:10] <Izaya> There's a GNU ada,
too
L103[04:20:12] <Izaya> GNU objective
C
L104[04:22:56] <Moongoodboy{K}> GNU ObjC?!
:O
L105[04:23:02] <Moongoodboy{K}> …oh
wait
L106[04:23:04] <Moongoodboy{K}> yeah
L107[04:23:07] <Moongoodboy{K}> gcc does
objc
L108[04:23:21] <Izaya> GNU clone of the OS
X UI libs
L109[04:23:37] <Izaya> GNUStep that
is
L110[04:24:15] <Moongoodboy{K}> That
sounds like a GNU implenentation of the OS <0 UI libs. xD
L111[04:24:45] <Izaya> You're not wrong,
but you can write stuff for GNUStep then use it on OS X,
apparently.
L112[04:28:07] <Moongoodboy{K}>
wuuuut
L113[04:28:17] <Moongoodboy{K}> macOS runs
NextStep stuff??
L114[04:28:35] <Izaya> No, but you can
compile GNUStep programs for OS X, apparently
L115[04:28:47] <Izaya> I've never tried it
and I'm not sure how current it is, admittedly
L116[04:28:55] <Moongoodboy{K}> Ahh.
L117[04:29:09] <Moongoodboy{K}>
translation layer maybe?
L118[04:30:17]
<Forecaster>
%shell interruption
L119[04:30:17] *
MichiBot loads an army of AmandaCs into a shell and fires it. It
strikes the ground near interruption, TechnicianLP and Vindex. They
each take 7, 8 and 3 splash damage respectively.
L120[05:17:02] *
vifino waves at Izaya
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Izaya waves in the direction of vifino
L122[05:17:45] <vifino> You wanna play
something? :P
L123[05:18:15] <vifino> I slept at least..
5 hours, so that's good.
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L126[05:57:48] <MichiBot>
What the HELL
is Joshua and the Promised Land? (The WORST Animated Movie Ever) |
A Review | length:
28m 33s | Likes:
20,527 Dislikes:
304 Views:
538,813 | by
Saberspark
| Published On 16/2/2018
L127[05:58:03] <Inari> %fling vifino
L128[05:58:03] *
MichiBot flings depression in a random direction. It hits vifino in
the small of the back. They take [6] damage.
L129[05:58:06] <Inari> :/
L130[05:58:47]
<Lizzian>
ffs Michibot
L131[05:58:55] <Corded> * <Lizzian>
baps MichiBot
L132[05:59:05] *
Izaya applies a lighter to MichiBot
L133[06:02:10] *
Moongoodboy{K} frowns, leveling his entropy manipulator at
MichiBot.
L134[06:12:50]
<Forecaster>
%inv add entropy manipulator
L135[06:12:50] *
MichiBot summons 'entropy manipulator' and adds to her inventory. I
could get some good swings in with this.
L136[06:13:07]
<Forecaster>
%inv list
L138[06:13:18]
<Forecaster>
oh
L139[06:13:20]
<Forecaster>
404
L140[06:13:21]
<Forecaster>
huh
L141[06:25:22] <Moongoodboy{K}> No, the
thing you get good swings in with is the Charged Staff.
L142[06:25:28] <Moongoodboy{K}> %inv add
charged staff
L143[06:25:28] *
MichiBot summons 'charged staff' and adds to her inventory. I could
get some good swings in with this.
L145[06:27:14] <MichiBot>
Homonyms
| length:
11m 27s | Likes:
9,039 Dislikes:
55 Views:
87,457 | by
DONG |
Published On 22/3/2018
L146[06:27:35]
<Forecaster>
Moongoodboy it's based on the total length :P
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L155[07:32:50] <Katie> @Forecaster
fixed..
L156[07:32:51]
<Ristelle>
in python I can do:
L158[07:32:52]
<Ristelle>
is there anyway to do that in lua?
L160[07:37:01]
<Forecaster>
also, vifino added "depression" to MichiBot's inventory
:P
L161[07:37:38]
<Forecaster>
MichiBot works in mysterious ways
L162[07:40:56]
<Ristelle>
but I would like to start from like index 2 instead of 1.
L163[07:42:52] <Temia> Ah, are we
slicing?
L164[07:42:57] <Temia> Fun times.
L165[07:43:17] <Temia> I for one would be
interested in this too.
L166[07:44:13]
<Ristelle>
yeah
L167[07:44:14]
<Ristelle>
slices
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<Forecaster>
%lua local mytable = { "thing", "to",
"iterate", "over" } for i = 2, #mytable do
print(mytable[i]) end
L170[07:46:01] <MichiBot> to | iterate |
over
L171[07:46:11]
<Forecaster>
hm
L172[07:46:47]
<Forecaster>
does that work?
L173[07:46:53]
<Forecaster>
@Ristelle
L174[07:47:02]
<Ristelle>
nope
L175[07:47:06]
<Ristelle>
wait
L176[07:47:10]
<Ristelle>
uh yeah. thanks ?
L177[07:47:14]
<Forecaster>
great
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L189[09:23:31] <S3> ok who wants to test
something?
L190[09:23:46] <S3> somebody telnet to
141.114.204.83 port 2323
L191[09:24:22] <AmandaC> Universa?
L192[09:25:31] <Skye> S3, what is
it?
L193[09:27:24] <S3> it's a MUD codebase
I've been working on with someone
L194[09:27:25]
<Forecaster>
I entered a username and hit enter and it closed
L195[09:27:28] <S3> it doesn't do
much
L196[09:27:32]
<Forecaster>
:P
L197[09:27:34] <S3> uh oh
L198[09:27:42] <S3> forecaster that's good
to know.. rofl
L200[09:28:04] <S3> it crashed
L201[09:28:09] <S3> you could try again to
see if it repeats
L202[09:28:19] <S3> the engine didn't
crash, just the acceptor
L203[09:28:48]
<Forecaster>
again
L204[09:29:00]
<Forecaster>
for the record I just enter `Forecaster`
L205[09:29:07] <AmandaC> I should poke my
MUD sometime again
L207[09:29:47] <Katie> I linked a bit deep
there, but yeah :P
L208[09:31:48] <S3> Forecaster. weird. I
have the error, so I'll look into that
L209[09:33:40]
<Forecaster>
I also tried with just a period
L210[09:34:05] <S3> Forecaster: We think
that it is a unicode issue
L211[09:34:19] <S3> maybe it thinks you're
using unicode and you're not, for example
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L213[09:34:44] <S3> that's not your
problem, it means we need to figure out how to detect that..
L214[09:34:57] <S3> because an average
mudder will have no idea what unicode even is
L215[09:35:15] <Izaya> This muddies the
water.
L216[09:35:33] <Skye> I won't
connect
L217[09:35:41] <Skye> because I'm tryina
hide my IP
L218[09:36:10] <S3> Skye: rofl
L219[09:36:19]
<Forecaster>
well, you were successful then :D
L220[09:36:35] <S3> you mean
37.221.195.170
L222[09:36:46] <AmandaC> S3: probably a
bouncer
L223[09:36:51] <S3> yeah probably
L224[09:36:57] <Skye> do you collect IPs,
technically it's against the GDPR to keep them
L226[09:37:11]
<Forecaster>
I stuff em and put them on my wall
L227[09:37:34] <S3> I have no reason to
keep IP addresses
L228[09:37:38]
<Forecaster>
sends 37.221.195.170 to a taxidermist
L229[09:37:51] <S3> why would I care
L231[09:37:59] <S3> an IP is just an
IP
L232[09:38:19] <S3> that IP address I
pasted here earlier, the 141 one
L233[09:38:20]
<Forecaster>
but you could send *packets* to it!
L234[09:38:29] <S3> that is my laptop
right in front of me here at the uni
L235[09:38:39] <S3> every computer on this
campus even on wifi gets a public IPv4
L236[09:38:47]
<Forecaster>
that's neat
L237[09:38:48] <AmandaC> S3: what a
waste
L238[09:38:57] <S3> AmandaC: haha
L239[09:39:09] <AmandaC> IPv6 I'd
understand,but v4?
L240[09:39:45] <S3> we get ipv6 as
well
L241[09:39:55] <S3> but we've had multiple
/16 blocks since ARPAnet
L242[09:40:01] <S3> just about,
anyways
L243[09:40:10] <AmandaC> inb4 S3 doesn't
believe in v6 because it's too new
L244[09:40:11] <S3> since the movement
from IPX
L245[09:40:20] <S3> I love v6
L246[09:40:36]
<Forecaster>
it's a scam by big pharma!
L247[09:40:43] <S3> v6 is actually faster
routing
L248[09:40:49] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> puts on tin foil hat
L249[09:40:51] <S3> despite being
larger
L250[09:40:59] <AmandaC> v6 explicitly
disallows NAT, which is probably why
L251[09:41:16] <AmandaC> Less logic to be
involved in the routing tables
L252[09:41:36] <S3> well part of it is
also that a properly set up v6 has a very standard segment size of
subnet and network length, etc
L253[09:42:01] <S3> so for routing through
the large trunks it's super fast because it doesn't have to worry
about subnets
L254[09:42:01] <Skye> S3, the annoying
thing is, IPs are getting more and more accurate
L255[09:42:09] <Skye> I dislike
geolocation and IPs
L256[09:42:18] <Skye> I need to cycle my
IP I guess
L257[09:42:23] <AmandaC> Skye: just get
your block put into the databases as "Low Earth
Orbit"
L258[09:42:38] <Skye> AmandaC, I would if
I owned an IP block
L259[09:43:35] <AmandaC> But, tbh, I'd
probablynot have blindly connected toit were I not on hotel Wifi
far away from home
L260[09:44:10] <AmandaC> Esp since I'm
leaving for home tomorrow. :P
L261[09:44:11] <S3> Skye: now, despite
that I care less about IP addresses I'm not part of the EU ad the
GDPR I can simply ignore
L262[09:44:18] <Izaya> If you connect to
my site or whois me you get my real IP anyway
L263[09:44:20] <Izaya> So fuck it
L264[09:44:44] <AmandaC> S3: uh. GDPR
applies to any service that collects EU citizen's data, not just
seervices in the EU
L265[09:44:45] <ben_mkiv> and what should
anyone do with it?
L266[09:44:51] <ben_mkiv> worst case ddos
until they got shut down
L267[09:44:51] <Skye> AmandaC,
correction
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L269[09:44:55] <Skye> if you're an
individual
L270[09:44:58] <Skye> it doesn't apply to
you
L271[09:45:00] <Skye> so S3 is fine
L272[09:45:06] <Skye> even if they were in
the UK
L273[09:45:10] <Skye> or EU
L274[09:45:20] <S3> Well there's nothing
they can really do
L275[09:45:26] <S3> plus I'm not a
business
L276[09:45:39] <Skye> still
L277[09:45:47] <Skye> S3, a lot of the
GDPR is actually just common sense
L278[09:45:56] <S3> I'm sure they can
complain about all of the people out there who have logs for abuse
purposes
L279[09:46:06] <Skye> S3, logs for abuse
purposes are okay
L280[09:46:14] <S3> bbut that collects
IPs
L281[09:46:16] <Skye> but you're not
allowed to mix them with any other data you collect
L282[09:46:26] <Skye> or publish them
without doing anonimisation
L283[09:46:43] <AmandaC> So, logging IP
adresses is fine. associating it with Bob From Accounting is
not.
L284[09:47:20] <AmandaC> ( AIUI )
L286[09:49:28]
<Forecaster>
the comment system for the Boiler Calculator I made uses hashed ip
addresses instead of usernames
L287[09:49:42] <Skye> hashing is one
way
L288[09:49:46] <Skye> so that's fine
L289[09:49:48] <AmandaC> ( That is,
without explicitly telling Bob that it's going to happen )
L290[09:50:17]
<Forecaster>
it's not deep hashing with salts or anything
L291[09:50:33] <Skye> still
L292[09:50:33]
<Forecaster>
iirc it's just once, with nothing added
L293[09:50:41] <Skye> it's still one
way
L294[09:50:47] <AmandaC> BRB building a
rainbow tabke
L295[09:51:00] <Skye> ...maybe time to
change your scheme
L296[09:51:26]
<Forecaster>
I made that thing several years ago
L297[09:51:36]
<Forecaster>
and I didn't want to make something where you had to enter a
username
L298[09:51:59] <Skye> do you display the
hash
L299[09:52:38]
<Forecaster>
yeah
L300[09:52:50] <Skye> aieeeg
L301[09:52:54]
<Forecaster>
it's where you'd see a username
L302[09:53:19] <Skye> it's not awful
L303[09:53:21] <Skye> but could be
better
L304[09:53:38]
<Forecaster>
I'd link it but my server is offline because I don't have internet
right now
L305[10:04:33] <Inari> AmandaC:
Amacchi~
L307[10:04:38]
<Forecaster>
huh
L310[10:10:31] <payonel> AmandaC: i would
set the screen first
L311[10:11:53] <payonel> Moongoodboy{K}:
you asked about my work, vpn, and a proxy server. proxy server to
what?
L312[10:13:05] <AmandaC> payonel: that
seems to have done it, danke
L313[10:13:20] <payonel> Izaya: no testing
framework, a mash of inconsistent asserts and stderr prints,
etc.
L314[10:13:56] <Izaya> Ah fun. Might
implement one.
L316[10:22:34] <S3> Izaya: I just found
out
L317[10:22:40] <S3> I can pick people up
and stuff them in my inventory
L318[10:22:48] <Izaya> ...
L319[10:22:53] <Izaya> Nice.
L320[10:23:06] <Izaya> Does it chibify
them? :3
L321[10:23:11] <S3> should I just... sweep
that bug under the carpet?
L322[10:23:25] <S3> call it a
feature
L324[10:23:38] <S3> funny thing is
L325[10:23:48] <S3> we had them talk while
in my inventory
L326[10:23:50] <S3> and it crashed the
socket
L328[10:23:54] <ben_mkiv> ^^
L329[10:24:05] <S3> and when it crashed
teh socket, they were still connected XD
L330[10:24:15] <S3> it was like nothing
happened
L331[10:26:56] <S3> ben_mkiv: yep.
L332[10:27:50]
<Forecaster>
"Nothing happened" - the game
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L335[10:43:44] <S3> Izaya: okay
L336[10:43:53] <S3> Izaya: do not pick
yourself up
L338[10:44:05] <S3> you can pick yuourself
up and put yourself in your inventory
L339[10:44:07] <S3> WEIRD shit
happens
L340[10:44:31]
<Forecaster>
recursion!
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L342[10:46:37]
<Forecaster>
%shell recursion
L343[10:46:37] *
MichiBot loads lewd peace signs into a shell and fires it. It
strikes recursion. They take 16 damage. tehbeard and dmod stood too
close and take 5 and 8 splash damage respectively.
L344[10:46:52] <Inari> S3: What are you
even talking about :o
L345[10:46:58] <Inari> %fling
Forecaster
L346[10:46:58] *
MichiBot flings an artificial Inari in a random direction. It hits
Forecaster on the heel. They take [3] damage.
L347[10:47:31] <S3> Inari: get
testperson
L348[10:47:34] <S3> you get a
testperson
L349[10:47:38] <S3> connection closed by
remote host.
L350[10:48:02] <Inari> testperson of what,
in what
L351[10:49:53]
<Forecaster>
the matrix
L352[10:50:56] <Inari> I mean inventory
and such sounds like minecraft
L353[10:51:07] <Inari> But has to be some
mod?
L354[10:51:14]
<Forecaster>
it's neither!
L355[10:51:18]
<Forecaster>
dun dun duuun
L356[10:53:26] <Inari> %stab
Forecaster
L357[10:53:26] *
MichiBot stabs Forecaster with a fantasy life doing [3]
damage
L358[10:53:32] <Inari> Huh
L359[10:53:37] <Inari> I haven't used
%stab in ages I think
L360[10:54:41]
<Forecaster>
%shiv Inari
L361[10:54:41] *
MichiBot shivs Inari with a friendly rod doing [1]
damage
L362[10:54:48]
<Forecaster>
hm
L363[10:54:48] <Inari> Lewd
L364[10:54:56] <Inari> Hm?
L365[10:55:32]
<Forecaster>
maybe things that have "friendly" in the name shouldn't
do damage :P
L366[10:55:45] <Inari> Heh
L367[10:55:51] <Inari> You did muse about
something like that once upon a team
L368[10:55:59] <Inari> Stuff like
"soft" too :p
L369[10:56:17] <Inari> I belieuve in the
end the only thing that came from it was that items can have
varying durability
L370[10:57:22]
<Forecaster>
yeah but just because something is soft doesn't mean it can't hurt
you
L371[10:59:28] <Vexatos> %give MichiBot
friendly world annihilator
L372[10:59:29] *
MichiBot accepts friendly world annihilator and adds it to her
inventory
L373[11:21:21] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot
Baby's First WMD
L374[11:21:22] *
MichiBot accepts Baby's First WMD and adds it to her
inventory
L375[11:21:25] <S3> Inari: my game
engine!
L376[11:21:33] <S3> you can pick yourself
up and put yourself in your backpack
L378[11:21:49] <S3> well if backpacks
existed, you can at least put yourself in your own inventory
L379[11:21:52] <S3> weird shit
happens
L380[11:24:08] <AmandaC> What about the
room, can you pick that up?
L382[11:25:16] <S3> I can't remember if
the other guy decided to keep rooms as entities or not
L383[11:25:19] <S3> if they are then it's
feasible
L384[11:25:31] <S3> I'd have to look at
that part of the source
L386[11:32:51] <MichiBot>
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L388[11:55:38] <vifino> i like turtles. do
you like turtles?
L389[11:55:45] <S3> TMNT!
L390[11:55:54] * S3
plays the tune
L391[12:19:13] <S3> vifino: got it stuck
in your head yet
L392[12:21:40] <S3> Izaya I feel like you
would hate yourself writing a MUD in Forth
L393[12:22:07] <Izaya> I did SMTP
already
L394[12:22:13] <S3> seriously?
L395[12:22:24] <S3> doesn't the super
proceduralness just kill you?
L396[12:22:46] <Izaya> You underestimate
my insanity
L397[12:22:47] <S3> I love Forth but if
you make a design mistake it can be a mess to debug
L398[12:22:57] <Izaya> I did it on ofw as
well
L399[12:23:24]
<MGR> Did
you lose your legs after saying that?
L400[12:23:25] <S3> maybe you would like
the designs for my homebuilt computer that looks kind of like a
PDP-11
L401[12:23:36] <S3> since it is a stack
machine for porting Forth to
L402[12:23:45] <S3> it's not finished, I'm
still coming up with design work
L403[12:23:45] <Izaya> :D
L404[12:24:13] <S3> I'm releasing all pcb
cad sheets
L405[12:24:16] <S3> and stuff
L406[12:24:22] <S3> to the public
L408[12:40:38]
<IKnowBashFu> @Inari fixed for ya. You want
the comma and space in the hello section so that your else are
looks nice too. Other than that, I see no problems with your
code.
L410[12:40:47]
<IKnowBashFu> @Inari fixed for ya. You want
the comma and space in the hello section so that your else area
looks nice too. Other than that, I see no problems with your code.
[Edited]
L411[12:47:43] <payonel> [Edited]
L412[12:48:51]
<Inari>
@IKnowBashFu Well I just transliterated the code
L413[12:48:51]
<Inari>
?
L414[12:48:57]
<Inari> Or
whatever its called
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L417[13:32:07] <Moongoodboy{K}> payonel:
exactly!
L418[13:32:53] <Moongoodboy{K}> Either
your IP wouldn't change just from connecting to the VPN, or your
traffic would have to be going via some proxy that's on the
VPN.
L419[13:42:16] <payonel> Moongoodboy{K}:
connecting to vpn causes all sockets to go through the vpn
first
L420[13:42:40] <payonel> so at first: my
laptop -> phone hotspot -> vnc -> #oc
L421[13:42:52] <payonel> then with vpn: my
laptop -> phone hotspot -> vpn -> vnc -> #oc
L422[13:44:36] <Moongoodboy{K}> payonel:
so there has to be a proxy on that VPN. somewhere.
L423[13:44:43] <Moongoodboy{K}>
s/\.//
L424[13:44:43] <MichiBot>
<Moongoodboy{K}> payonel: so there has to be a proxy on that
VPN somewhere.
L425[13:46:46] <payonel> Moongoodboy{K}:
that's the difference between full and split tunneling
L426[13:46:57] <payonel> it's not an
additional "proxy"
L427[13:47:07] <payonel> our vpn tunnels
full
L429[13:55:03]
<Kodos>
Morning folks
L430[13:55:22]
<Molinko> ?
hi
L431[13:55:53] <payonel> @kodos o/
L432[13:56:01]
<MGR>
Hello!
L433[13:56:13] <payonel> also, hello
@Molinko, thanks for all you do in the forums :)
L434[13:57:05] <Katie> We have
forums?
L435[13:57:06] <Katie> :P
L436[13:57:12] <payonel> haha, i
know!
L438[13:59:26] <Katie> I approve posts
when I get the chance..
L439[13:59:39] <Katie> I don't know enough
lua to reply to many posts.
L440[13:59:52] <payonel> @Katie: you don't
have to reply _in lua_
L441[14:00:12] *
payonel trolols
L442[14:00:17] <Katie> ._.
L443[14:00:52] <payonel> most posts seem
to be questions to other projects
L444[14:01:03] <payonel> like zyfreak's
reactor control
L445[14:01:15] <Katie> lots of them are,
the posts I was talking about replying to were the programming
questsions.. :P
L446[14:01:19] <Katie> questions*
L447[14:01:22]
<Kodos> Do
we have a way to play a sound to only a client
L448[14:01:24] <payonel> when people have
lua or openos questions, molinko is there too quickly for me to
help
L449[14:01:47] <payonel> @kodos ONE client
instead of ALL ?
L450[14:01:50]
<Kodos>
Yes
L451[14:01:54] <payonel> doubt it, Vexatos
?
L452[14:02:04] <Katie> one client? Hmm...
that sounds.. hard.
L453[14:03:06] <Vexatos> very doable
L454[14:03:16] <Vexatos> just make sure no
other client is nearby while it is playing
L455[14:03:17] <Vexatos> duh
L456[14:03:18] <Vexatos> :3
L457[14:03:24] *
payonel trolols with Vexatos
L458[14:03:31] <Vexatos> also you can set
the range to like 1
L459[14:03:51]
<Kodos> I
don't want the sound to play inworld at all
L460[14:04:01] <Vexatos> why
L461[14:04:07]
<Kodos>
Reasons
L462[14:04:12] <Vexatos> well
L463[14:04:15]
<Kodos> This
would be easier to explain if one of you played Second Life at
all
L464[14:04:31] <Vexatos> make an HTTP
request to your computer which listens for one and then plays a
sound
L465[14:04:42]
<Kodos>
That's... no
L466[14:04:47] <Vexatos> well
L467[14:04:52] <Vexatos> implement
headphones for me
L468[14:04:59]
<Kodos> What
if I want Mary to tell me something privately
L469[14:05:20]
<Kodos> Or
wait, actually
L470[14:05:27]
<Kodos> Can
the (creative) chat box send private messages?
L471[14:05:38] <Vexatos> debug card
can
L472[14:05:50] <Moongoodboy{K}> payonel:
VPNs don't inherently proxy. If you're on a VPN and it's proxying,
something must be doing the proxying.
L473[14:05:58] <Moongoodboy{K}> And that
something is, by definition, a proxy.
L474[14:06:20] <payonel> you've
overcomplicating it
L475[14:06:25] <Katie> wat.
L476[14:06:36] <payonel> 're*
L477[14:06:49] <Moongoodboy{K}> I'm
drawing a line between VPNs and proxies, because conflating the two
is a pet peeve of mine. :I
L478[14:06:55] <Moongoodboy{K}> Neither
implies the other.
L479[14:07:07] <payonel> then you need to
read up on your pet peeve a bit more
L480[14:07:21] <Moongoodboy{K}> Not all
VPNs proxy; not all proxies are on VPN.
L481[14:08:06] <payonel> that is not
accurate
L482[14:08:07] <Katie> fucking hell.
L483[14:08:21] <Katie> I'm walking away
now before my brain cells revolt.
L484[14:08:31] <Moongoodboy{K}> I have a
VPN that doesn't proxy. Counterexample right there.
L485[14:08:47] <payonel> Moongoodboy{K}:
are you the only node in the network?
L486[14:09:10] <payonel> are is or can any
other node connect to that network?
L487[14:09:21] <payonel> and when you have
two nodes in that network, can they see each other?
L488[14:09:30] <payonel> proxy
L489[14:09:32] <Moongoodboy{K}> No? Well,
they're all owned by me, but that's irrelevant. There're a couple
boxes on the network, plus the server.
L490[14:09:35] <Moongoodboy{K}> …oh.
L491[14:09:41] <Moongoodboy{K}> Okay, I
needed to be more specific.
L492[14:10:03] <Moongoodboy{K}> I'm not
counting IP routing as proxying.
L493[14:10:09] <payonel> haha
L494[14:10:12] <payonel> ok
L495[14:10:22] <payonel> note i never said
proxy myself
L496[14:10:24] <payonel> i said
tunnel
L497[14:10:26] <Moongoodboy{K}> Though, I
suppose it /is/, in the more general and non-related definition of
/proxy/.
L498[14:10:41] <payonel> i did literally
say "proxy" like 5 lines ago
L499[14:10:48] <Moongoodboy{K}> You don't
need to tunnel to proxy, though. :p
L500[14:10:49] <payonel> but, i was trying
to play your game
L502[14:10:54] <Moongoodboy{K}> (…here we
go again!)
L503[14:11:10] <payonel> like i said a
while ago, "no additional proxy"
L504[14:11:15] <payonel> it's a full
tunnel
L506[14:13:26] <Moongoodboy{K}> For these
purposes, `proxy := [noun] a daemon that relays traffic generated
by one or more clients to other, potentially-unrelated
destinations, using itself to hide the existence|addresses|whatever
of the clients | [noun] a box that runs a proxy`
L507[14:13:30] <Moongoodboy{K}> (revise as
needed)
L508[14:13:41] <payonel> look i dont care
what you call what
L509[14:13:50] <payonel> it is a full
routing of connections vs a split
L510[14:13:58] <Moongoodboy{K}> Uh.
L511[14:13:59] <payonel> three is no
additional software ,machine, thingie, noun
L512[14:14:05] <payonel> there*
L513[14:14:15] <S3> proxies don't have to
be daemons
L514[14:14:16] <Moongoodboy{K}> We're into
this this far because you were very specific about which words mean
what.
L515[14:14:41] <Moongoodboy{K}> S3: pull
requests on this definition happily accepted
L516[14:15:28] <payonel> i'm not trying to
correct your labels, only clarifying the network mapping for
you
L517[14:15:32] <Moongoodboy{K}> payonel:
if the VPNds also do proxying, then they /are/ proxies.
L518[14:15:45] <Moongoodboy{K}> I never
assumed or expressed that the proxies were separate machines or
packages.
L519[14:15:50] <Moongoodboy{K}> if you
wanna play like that. :)
L520[14:16:19] <Inari> %give MichiBot
romantic fireworks
L521[14:16:19] *
MichiBot accepts romantic fireworks and adds it to her
inventory
L522[14:16:23] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L523[14:16:23] *
MichiBot brushes AmandaC with traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaans
agenda. AmandaC recovers 3 health!,
traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaans agenda vibrates into the
ground.
L524[14:16:27] <Inari> Oo
L525[14:17:01] <payonel> Moongoodboy{K}:
again, there is no additional anything, it is full vs split
L526[14:17:04] <Moongoodboy{K}> %give
MichiBot traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains agenda
L527[14:17:04] *
MichiBot accepts traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains agenda and
adds it to her inventory
L528[14:17:17] <Inari> pls
L530[14:17:35] <Moongoodboy{K}> payonel:
right. There's no additional anything.[*] It's just one piece of
software doing two[**] things.
L531[14:17:36] <Inari> %give MichiBot the
literal best swimsuit type in this world
L532[14:17:36] *
MichiBot accepts the literal best swimsuit type in this world and
adds it to her inventory
L533[14:17:48] <S3> so technology is a
19th century thing
L534[14:17:56] <Inari> S3: What?
L535[14:18:21] <Moongoodboy{K}> Since
we're being very picky about words here, /technology/ has existed
since before stone tools. c:
L536[14:19:03] <Moongoodboy{K}> I bet
we're /all/ surrounded by signs of myriad technological
advances.
L537[14:19:27] <Moongoodboy{K}> And I'm
not talking about the boxen we're undoubtedly using to
communicate
L538[14:20:40] <Arcan> %give MichiBot
Moongoodboy{K}'s collar
L539[14:20:41] *
MichiBot accepts Moongoodboy{K}'s collar and adds it to her
inventory
L540[14:21:04] <Moongoodboy{K}> Cute. You
assumed it can be removed. ://3
L541[14:21:09] <payonel> Moongoodboy{K}: i
didn't mean to escalate the discussion. you originall asked
"your work runs a proxy server on their VPN?" and my
answer is no. it is a full tunnel vpn
L542[14:21:15] <payonel> -l
L543[14:21:25] <payonel> er, +l, +y
L544[14:21:36] <Moongoodboy{K}> payonel:
the answer is yes. It's just that the proxy servers and the VPN
servers are the same software.
L545[14:22:03] <payonel> oh for crying out
loud
L546[14:22:08] <CompanionCube> running a
proxy *over* a VPN sounds very pointless.
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L550[14:53:50] <AmandaC> Proxy and VPNs
emulate different layers of the OCI stack, don't they?
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L552[14:59:39] <AmandaC> Proxies are
usually application-level, VPNs are lower
L553[15:05:56] <AmandaC> VPNs can be
configured to only route trafic to internal nodes through itself,
but that has nothing to do with proxies, it has to do with network
routing, which is still lower level than a proxy would normally
operate.
L554[15:06:27] <AmandaC> ( And has nothing
to do with the VPN itself, eithr. You can do the same thing locally
with ethernet/wifi adapters )
L555[15:07:31] <AmandaC> Using your
definition of proxy, the common consumer router is a
"proxy"
L556[15:07:36] <AmandaC> ( via NAT )
L557[15:14:44] <Inari> I wonder if
high-tech/high-performance analogue computers (still using
electronics, but not trying to use binary I guess) are possible and
if they'd be any better tahn our computers
L558[15:15:20] <AmandaC> Inari: wasn't
that what the old tube-based computers did?
L559[15:15:33] <Inari> Weren't they still
binary?
L560[15:15:42] <AmandaC> Not sure.
L561[15:16:03] <Inari> Tubes wouldn't be
viable either way though
L562[15:16:32] <AmandaC> anything analog
probably wouldn't be anyway, due to being unable to precicely
control the environment
L563[15:16:57] <Inari> Why would you be
unable to precisely control it
L564[15:17:13] <AmandaC> humidity / air
pressure / temperature would affect the properties of the parts in
ways that wouldn't be as simple to smooth over as we do with digial
stuff
L565[15:17:29] <Inari> Yeah, so we need
parts that aren't affected by that :D
L566[15:17:55] <AmandaC> Right, parts that
don't obey thermodynamics, got it
L567[15:18:01] <AmandaC> brb
L568[15:18:17] <Inari> Well just parts
whose computations aren't affected by temperature or the like
:p
L569[15:18:24] <Inari> Not sure how that
disobeys thermodynamics
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L573[15:33:01] <Moongoodboy{K}> AmandaC:
you can have an IP proxy
L574[15:33:08] <Moongoodboy{K}> NAT is IP
proxying, actually.
L575[15:33:23] <Moongoodboy{K}> It hides
the private IPs. That firs the definition I'm using.
L576[15:33:26] <AmandaC> So what you're
saying is every consumer router is a proxy.
L577[15:33:43] <AmandaC> That's a silly
definition, and you can't expect everyone to use your own made-up
silly definitions
L578[15:33:54] <Moongoodboy{K}> okay, you
come up with a better one.
L579[15:33:59] <Skye> NAT is the abuse of
a firewall
L580[15:34:06] <Moongoodboy{K}> lol.
L581[15:36:12] <AmandaC> Proxies are
generally HTTP/SMTP/other-protocol MitMs for filtering.
L582[15:37:22] <AmandaC> They
L583[15:37:52] <AmandaC> I don't see the
point in making such an absurdly broad definition, when other
defintiions fit better
L584[15:38:25] <AmandaC> Nobody calls the
local routing table on their machine a proxy, but it can also be
configured to act in the way you describe one
L586[15:39:10] <AmandaC> Proxies are
generally just layman for HTTP tunnels, really.
L587[15:42:39] <Moongoodboy{K}> AmandaC:
For filtering? So if I relay my traffic via a machine in
$other_country in order to get $streaming_service to serve me some
content it wouldn't otherwise, that's not proxying?
L588[15:42:51] *
AmandaC sighs
L589[15:43:01] <Moongoodboy{K}> I'm trying
to improve your definition.
L590[15:43:07] <Moongoodboy{K}> I would've
welcomed the same to mine. :p
L591[15:43:41] <AmandaC> Moongoodboy{K}:
16:39:10 <AmandaC> Proxies are generally just layman for HTTP
tunnels, really.
L592[15:44:09] <Moongoodboy{K}> Oh, okay,
we're going off that definition.
L593[15:44:29] <Moongoodboy{K}> So if I
make an SSH tunnel to hide my IP using my server's IP, but it's for
IRC, not HTTP, that's not a proxy?
L594[15:44:37] *
AmandaC skull-walls
L595[15:44:40] <AmandaC> fuck this
L596[15:45:09] <Moongoodboy{K}> I'm trying
to collaboratively come up with a good definition of /proxy/!
L597[15:45:19] <AmandaC> Why,
though?
L598[15:45:30] <Moongoodboy{K}> I tried to
make one, but you didn't seem to like it, and you presented one of
your own. So now we're iterating on that.
L599[15:45:47] <AmandaC> You can sit here
and nit-pick every little detail of everything and still not have a
concrete definition.
L600[15:47:47] <AmandaC> Proxies are
tunnels that operate on OCI Layer 7, VPNs are tunnels that operate
on Layers 3 or 4, when exposed to the user. Sure, they're both
tunnels, but they're distinct in their usage and their interaction
with software.
L601[15:48:28] <Moongoodboy{K}> Okay, that
works!
L602[15:49:08] <AmandaC> %choose watch
youtube or watch anime or code
L603[15:49:09] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
code
L604[15:49:46] <Moongoodboy{K}> Watch a
YouTube anime series about coders. :D
L605[15:51:45] <AmandaC> %choose play with
terraform some or something else
L606[15:51:45] <MichiBot> AmandaC: play
with terraform some
L607[16:05:51]
<Nightmare>
Anyone have any good tutorials on eeprom and robots? Last time i
tried to use them i was so confused
L608[16:14:00] <Katie> AmandaC, welcome to
my hell...
L609[16:14:00] <Izaya> ~w custom os
L611[16:15:30] <Moongoodboy{K}> Hayo
L612[16:15:37] <Moongoodboy{K}> That's
quite nice.
L613[16:16:36] *
Moongoodboy{K} imagines a bootloader that lets you configure boot
order and looks for /sbin/init and /bin/sh (NB: not *.lua) on
/those/ filesystems.
L615[16:18:44] <Izaya> lets you select a
boot device, at least
L616[16:19:57] <Izaya> also supports tape
drives and network cards
L617[16:22:27] <AmandaC> Katie: Mew?
L618[16:22:39] <Katie>
"skull-walls"
L619[16:23:05] <AmandaC> ah
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L623[16:53:38] *
Moongoodboy{K} goes to the Nether and decorates the walls of the
nearest fortress with mob heads.
L624[16:53:40] <Moongoodboy{K}> :D
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L626[16:55:23] <ccman> hello?
L628[16:55:55] <MichiBot>
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L629[16:55:56] <Katie> %hello
L630[16:55:56] <MichiBot> Katie: Hello!
Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask
your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code
examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont
mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L632[16:56:19] <Moongoodboy{K}>
goodbye.
L633[16:56:27] <Katie> %goodbye
L634[16:56:31] <Katie> oh, guess not
L635[16:56:36] <Katie> %bye
L636[16:56:36] <MichiBot> Katie: Oh, well,
bye I guess...
L637[17:10:33]
<cat2002> I
wish we had wireless tablet chargers.
L638[17:10:42]
<cat2002>
Would be nice.
L639[17:42:16]
<ShadowFoxNixill> ~w command block
L641[17:42:22]
<ShadowFoxNixill> Nope. .w.
L642[17:47:24] <AmandaC> %choose s or
w
L643[17:47:24] <MichiBot> AmandaC: s
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<Kodos>
Apparently F1 2015 is free on Humble Bundle
L647[18:07:52]
<Molinko> Hi
@payonel. Sorry I didn't get to respond to your compliment. I had
to go deliver ~800lbs if donated dog food last minute. I love all
the work you and others have put into OpenOS. Nice to hear from ya
?
L649[18:22:06]
<ShadowFoxNixill> I guess it's true that
both would fit my needs. OpenComputers *does* have actual built-in
command block support though (you have to use the Adapter
block).
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<cat2002> I
would recommened the debug card over the command block
L654[18:26:19]
<cat2002>
it's better.
L655[18:32:13]
<ShadowFoxNixill> It can't set
blockstates.
L656[18:35:22] <AmandaC> Pretty sure
there's a command in that with the same effect as a commandblock
string
L657[18:36:23] <AmandaC>
"runCommand"
L658[18:36:51] <AmandaC> %choose mc or
no
L659[18:36:51] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
mc
L660[18:36:56]
<ShadowFoxNixill> ... So there is.
L661[18:38:16]
<ShadowFoxNixill> Now if only there were a
way to position the fake player, or worldedit commands to pos1/pos2
at specific coordinates.
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L663[19:24:01] <Moongoodboy{K}> Command
block support vis adapters? o3o
L664[19:24:16]
<ShadowFoxNixill> Yeah!
L666[19:27:44]
<ShadowFoxNixill> (Does that create a link
for you over on irc?)
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L668[19:33:48] <Katie> @ShadowFoxNixill
yeah, it even tinyurls it for us
L669[19:34:06]
<ShadowFoxNixill> Neat.
L670[19:34:20] <Katie> I pride myself in
the modifications I've made :P
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