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<Forecaster>
this is kinda sad
<Forecaster>
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L8[02:14:52] <Forecaster>
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171113/02094138603/great-use-artificial-intelligence-scamming-scammers-wasting-their-time.shtml
<Forecaster>
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171113/02094138603/great-use-artificial-intelligence-scamming-scammers-wasting-their-time.shtmlL9[02:15:42] <Izaya> goddamnit
L10[02:16:01] <Izaya> foxyproxy updated for
webextensions which means I can't get it for waterfox
L11[02:16:23] <Izaya> anyone got a copy by
chance?
L13[02:18:42] <Forecaster>
the code for the legacy (pre webextensions) version
<Forecaster>
the code for the legacy (pre webextensions) versionL14[02:18:52] <Forecaster>
there are build instructions
<Forecaster>
there are build instructionsL15[02:19:20] <Izaya> oh, appreciated
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L19[02:40:25] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/gyGCh8Z.png balance is
restored
L20[02:44:33] <Saphire> Izaya: Firefox
add-on store has older versions listed
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L22[03:44:42] <Forecaster>
turns out I was mistaken, there was no minecraft video scheduled
yesterday...
<Forecaster>
turns out I was mistaken, there was no minecraft video scheduled
yesterday...L23[03:45:00] <Forecaster>
I just didn't refresh the page on my phone, so it was showing an
old view of the schedule xD
<Forecaster>
I just didn't refresh the page on my phone, so it was showing an
old view of the schedule xDL25[03:52:13] <MichiBot> Wed Nov 15
07:54:04 CST 2017 @AwwwwCats: I put a heating pad out for the
neighborhood cats. I think they like it. https://t.co/M05QgRFHMl
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L28[05:41:33] <Kevo> Can anyone help me set
up an reactor monitor program for IC2
L29[05:43:31] <Forecaster>
probably
<Forecaster>
probablyL30[05:46:59] <Kevo> Tried to download a
few "programs" from the forum, but I keep getting errors
when trying to run them
L31[05:48:28] <Forecaster>
that is unfortunate
<Forecaster>
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L34[06:22:07] <MGR> @Kodos
Wasn't there a batman movie in the 60's?
<MGR> @Kodos
Wasn't there a batman movie in the 60's?L35[06:33:37] <S3> woah comtrhis is
interesting
L36[06:35:14] <S3> Found a newspaper
article from 1886 saying there was a mysterious murder about 100
miles north of moosehead lake in Maine, into the wilderness in the
middle of nowhere (there is NOTHING in that part of Maine). and
there was a group of people who came to help and shut down a 10
foot tall, 7 foot armed man covered in hair
L37[06:35:30] <S3> 131 years ago heh
L38[06:36:13] <S3> shot down*
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L40[06:37:01] <Forecaster>
moosehead lake looks nothing like a moose head :|
<Forecaster>
moosehead lake looks nothing like a moose head :|L41[06:38:21] <MGR> S3,
isn't there nothing in Maine north of Bangor? ?
<MGR> S3,
isn't there nothing in Maine north of Bangor? ?L42[06:40:45] <MGR>
@Forecaster One of the offshoots kind of looks like an antler
<MGR>
@Forecaster One of the offshoots kind of looks like an antlerL43[06:43:51] <Forecaster>
that's not really sufficient to deserve the name :|
<Forecaster>
that's not really sufficient to deserve the name :|L44[06:44:47] <MGR>
True
<MGR>
TrueL45[06:45:36] ⇨
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L47[06:47:15] <S3> Moosehead lake got its
name from the old maps
L48[06:47:28] <S3> the really really old
charts of the lake looked like a pair of antlers
L49[06:47:47] <S3> to be honest they kind
of still do but it was more evident then
L50[06:49:40] <S3> some laks have a very
interesting name that has nothing to do with their shapes
L51[06:49:44] <S3> like Flagstaff
lake
L52[06:50:34] <S3> That's because flagstaff
lake used to not be a lake, it was a town, Everyone was kicked out
and then the town was flooded.
L53[06:51:14] <Forecaster>
well, at least they didn't do it in reverse order
<Forecaster>
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L55[06:53:10] <S3> Maine has a lot of dark
evil secrets, and that's just one of them
L56[06:53:25] <Corded> * <MGR>
pictures a lake reverse flooding
L57[06:54:20] <S3> the flooding of
flagstaff lake took over 20 years
L58[06:54:37] <S3> you can still see the
tops of houses and above the water when the waterline is very
low
L59[06:54:57] <S3> but for the most part
it's all submerged
L60[06:56:15] <MGR> Oh,
for hydropower
<MGR> Oh,
for hydropowerL61[06:56:20] <S3> yes
L62[06:56:33] <S3> it was a pretty lively
town though
L63[06:56:55] <S3> they just sent lawyers
in and said we're building a dam here whether you like it or not
gtfo
L64[06:57:36] <MGR>
"lively"
<MGR>
"lively"L65[06:57:39] <S3> so they unburried all
the graves and moved the graveyard somewhere else and burned down
some buildings and left the rest
L66[06:59:39] <S3> There's some strange
places
L67[07:00:25] <S3> Riceville is another. A
town of a good number of people, people stopped showing from there,
so 10 years after there was a hunt set out for the town, and they
found the town with everybody dead
L68[07:01:02] <S3> the graveyard had been
pretty much filled
L69[07:01:25] <S3> That supposedly was a
cholera problem
L70[07:02:14] <S3> which basically means
that everybody probably died of explosive diarrhea
L71[07:02:41] <MGR> I will
accept that Maine has lots of strange places
<MGR> I will
accept that Maine has lots of strange placesL73[07:07:55] <S3> lol
L74[07:08:38] <MGR>
"So, the same day, $boss pays a little visit to $newBoss. I
can hear the screaming coming down the floor when the dragon
unfolds her wings and starts breathing fire all over the
place." --- Quote 1/3
<MGR>
"So, the same day, $boss pays a little visit to $newBoss. I
can hear the screaming coming down the floor when the dragon
unfolds her wings and starts breathing fire all over the
place." --- Quote 1/3L75[07:08:55] <Forecaster>
which one is the dragon?
<Forecaster>
which one is the dragon?L76[07:09:08] <MGR>
$boss
<MGR>
$bossL77[07:09:16] <MGR> Alas,
$newBoss is fire-proof
<MGR> Alas,
$newBoss is fire-proofL78[07:09:44] <MGR> And
now there's a Greek dragon emperor involved
<MGR> And
now there's a Greek dragon emperor involvedL79[07:11:41] <S3> I have been trying to
find a dilbert comic passage for years
L80[07:11:47] <S3> a particular one
L81[07:12:10] <S3> it was basically about
running a 6502 computer maintained by a family of squirrels
L82[07:16:47] <MGR> Are
you sure it was a dilbert comic?
<MGR> Are
you sure it was a dilbert comic?L83[07:40:41] <S3> That's what I remember
it being
L84[07:40:58] <S3> it was from quite a
while ago. I've come to the conclusion that I will never find
it
L85[07:40:59] <S3> :D
L86[07:41:30] <MGR> I did
some searching, and I don't think it exists
<MGR> I did
some searching, and I don't think it existsL87[07:41:38] <MGR> I
checked every single Dilbert comic that mentions squirrels
<MGR> I
checked every single Dilbert comic that mentions squirrelsL88[07:44:22] <S3> lol
L89[07:45:05] <S3> this is where I got
it
L90[07:45:10] <S3> on the synopsis section
of:
L91[07:45:11] <S3> http://search.cpan.org/~andya/Acme-6502-0.75/lib/Acme/6502.pm
L92[07:45:15] <S3> and I always
wondered
L93[07:45:29] <S3> sorry the description
section
L94[07:46:52] <MGR> Well,
there's Dilbert comics about things run by a family of
squirrels
<MGR> Well,
there's Dilbert comics about things run by a family of
squirrelsL95[07:47:03] <MGR> It's
probably referencing that, rather than a specific comic
<MGR> It's
probably referencing that, rather than a specific comicL96[07:47:37] <S3> maybe
L97[07:48:19] <S3> Do you remember the old
dilbert cartoon?
L98[07:48:30] <S3> I don't remember what it
was on and it wasn't on for very long but
L99[07:48:52] <MGR> I've
never watched it
<MGR> I've
never watched itL100[07:52:41] <S3> If you like dinky
cartoons with simple art it's not horrifying
L101[07:52:59] <MGR>
Unfortunately, I don't have the time
<MGR>
Unfortunately, I don't have the timeL102[07:54:42] <Saphire> Huh
L103[07:55:01] <Saphire> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=label%3A%22Soni%20please%20%3E_%3E%22
L104[07:55:06] <Saphire> ...so that's a
thing now?
L105[07:55:20] <Saphire> Hey, can we get
the older Soni.. things tagged too?
L106[07:55:34] <LuMistry>
Greetings
<LuMistry>
GreetingsL107[07:55:51] <MGR> That
is indeed a thing now
<MGR> That
is indeed a thing nowL108[07:55:55] <MGR> Hello
@LuMistry
<MGR> Hello
@LuMistryL109[07:56:05] <Saphire> ...there are two
pages of Soni, with 3 additional ones on third
L110[07:56:11] <LuMistry>
How are you?
<LuMistry>
How are you?L111[07:56:20] <MGR>
Stupdendous
<MGR>
StupdendousL112[07:57:07]
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L113[07:57:51] <Saphire> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/186
funny thing is that this eventually DID become real
L114[07:58:59] <MGR>
Huh
<MGR>
HuhL115[07:59:03] <MGR>
Unmanaged drives, right?
<MGR>
Unmanaged drives, right?L116[07:59:18] <Saphire> Yup
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L118[08:03:10] <MGR>
Sometimes he has good ideas
<MGR>
Sometimes he has good ideasL119[08:03:16] <MGR>
Sometimes
<MGR>
SometimesL120[08:03:54] <Saphire> Very
sometimes
L121[08:04:29] <Saphire> ...and they spend
a year trying to push more network breaching into OC
L122[08:04:38] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
?L123[08:07:07] <MGR> Please
provide the link ?
<MGR> Please
provide the link ?L124[08:08:05] <Lizzy> i
think Saphire is referring to Soni's wanting of oc to be able to
create Java sockets on the host system
<Lizzy> i
think Saphire is referring to Soni's wanting of oc to be able to
create Java sockets on the host systemL125[08:08:15] <MGR>
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh yeah
<MGR>
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh yeahL126[08:12:49] <Turtle> Wait, why.
L127[08:13:29] <Turtle> Doesn´t OC already
have support for basic TCP streams? Why´d you need sockets
otherwise.
L128[08:14:19] <MGR>
Turtle, OC cannot receive a connection
<MGR>
Turtle, OC cannot receive a connectionL129[08:14:27] <MGR> You
can open an outgoing one, but not receive an incoming one
<MGR> You
can open an outgoing one, but not receive an incoming oneL130[08:14:41] <MGR> So you
need a 3rd party IRL server to accept both outgoing connections and
relay (ala GERT)
<MGR> So you
need a 3rd party IRL server to accept both outgoing connections and
relay (ala GERT)L131[08:14:58] <Turtle> I was going to
say, quit being poor and get a 3rd party server to bounce your
connections
L132[08:15:02] *
Saphire whispers "Non-binary-based
multiplies"
L133[08:15:19] <Turtle> or y´know, quit
being poor and get a 3rd party server to host whatever you need
inbound connections for
L134[08:15:35] <Saphire> Turtle: what Soni
however wants is pretty much torrent or any other kind of P2P
network being implementable in OC without a 3rd party server
L135[08:15:43] <Saphire> Aka
"nightmare of any netowrking engineer"
L136[08:15:58] <Saphire> Aka "OH FUCK
DELETE OC NOW AAA MINECRAFT BOTNET"
L137[08:16:06] <Corded> * <MGR>
nods
L138[08:16:24] <Turtle> ?
L139[08:17:04] <Mimiru> one day I'll
actually start work on the http server for OC.. but it'll be http,
not raw tcp
L140[08:17:29] <Saphire> https://vcvrack.com/ that is sexy
L141[08:17:43] <Turtle> I was about to
say, it´s not _that hard_ to make addons for OC. I somehow managed
to do it god knows how long ago
L142[08:18:33] <Mimiru> I have a few,
sadly I also have no time.. and can't get my code to work in 1.11+
to save my life.
L143[08:19:04] <Turtle> Yep. I burnt all
my 1.7 code and just restarted for 1.12
L144[08:19:14] <MGR> Burn
it with fire!
<MGR> Burn
it with fire!L145[08:19:16] <Turtle> Even then I had to
throw in a pile of black magic just to get rid of most of the
json
L146[08:19:32] *
Turtle shakes fist at forge loading lang files before
preinit
L147[08:20:08] <Saphire> Turtle: why
L148[08:22:30] <Turtle> Means I can´t
supply it on runtime
L149[08:22:41] <Turtle> (the en_us version
that is)
L150[08:22:57] <Turtle> *at runtime
L151[08:23:49] <Mimiru> coremod!
L152[08:23:50] <Mimiru> :p
L153[08:24:59] <Turtle> Rephrase, supply
it at runtime without doing a pile of pre-init stuff at the wrong
time
L154[08:25:06] <Mimiru> lol
L155[08:25:22] <Turtle> Not a big deal
anyway. I´d have to export the file for localization anyway
L156[08:27:12] <Turtle> (Not having to
deal with model/state json is wonderous though)
L157[08:27:58] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> read "crack" in the url
L158[08:29:14] <Mimiru> %newtopic
L159[08:29:14] <MichiBot> Mimiru: #3 Hey,
how many photonic erosion do you think I can juggle at once?
L160[08:29:22] <Mimiru> lol
L161[08:29:52] <Mimiru> I need to poke at
that at work today.
L162[08:30:05] <MGR>
MichiBot, 73
<MGR>
MichiBot, 73L163[08:40:59] <S3> Unmanaged drives are
the only way to go
L164[08:41:11] <S3> They can also be
fastar
L165[08:41:29] <MGR>
They're not the *only* way to go
<MGR>
They're not the *only* way to goL166[08:41:35] <S3> Oh yeh
L167[08:41:46] <S3> Managed drives are
annoyin
L168[08:42:05] <Turtle> Managed drives do
FS nonsense in the jvm, not lua, right?
L169[08:42:09] <MGR> Not
really
<MGR> Not
reallyL170[08:42:09] <Forecaster>
they work fine for me :P
<Forecaster>
they work fine for me :PL171[08:42:29] <S3> I find itI find it
much easier to work with blocks of memory
L172[08:42:32] <MGR>
@Forecaster ^
<MGR>
@Forecaster ^L173[08:42:35] <S3> than to deal with a
silly fs api
L174[08:43:06] <ben_mkiv> https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/e/eb/Deal_with_it_rainbow_style_by_j_brony-d4cwgad.png/revision/latest?cb=20141027135630
L175[08:43:20] <MGR> I'm
not sure if it is silly
<MGR> I'm
not sure if it is sillyL176[08:43:52] <S3> It's just an
abstraction that I could do myself
L177[08:43:58] <ben_mkiv> do oc devs push
their test codes somewhere?
L178[08:44:05] <S3> some of us
L179[08:44:07] <ben_mkiv> like small
examples which test a small subset of api stuff
L180[08:44:26] <S3> payonel: we should
have an examples section on the repo
L181[08:44:26] <S3> :D
L182[08:44:31] <ben_mkiv> yea please
L183[08:44:40] <S3> It's a good idea
ben_mkiv
L184[08:44:43] <ben_mkiv> its way better
to look at code to figure out what to do in what order
L185[08:44:49] <S3> or maybe on the
forum
L186[08:45:04] <ben_mkiv> i will probably
make a small "mod" which just adds a custom entity which
is a computer
L187[08:45:37] <ben_mkiv> once i got that
working xD
L188[08:46:48] <Forecaster>
I don't know how to work with memory
<Forecaster>
I don't know how to work with memoryL189[08:47:02] <MGR> S3,
yes, but not everyone can/ wants to do it themselves
<MGR> S3,
yes, but not everyone can/ wants to do it themselvesL190[08:47:12] <MGR>
Working with memory is harder
<MGR>
Working with memory is harderL191[09:07:10] <Michiyo> I don't have any
memory...
L192[09:07:15] <Michiyo> which makes
working with it very hard.
L193[09:08:24] <S3> MGR: You're right
about the fact that not everybody can or wants to do it themselves,
and it's nice that the filesystem component exists for that, but
the unamnaged disk component is far more powerful.Also, I find
working with bytes and creating records easier than dealing with
filesystem abstractions sometimes.
L194[09:10:50] <MGR> I'm
aware of the advantages of unmanaged drives. I just said they're
not the *only* way to go
<MGR> I'm
aware of the advantages of unmanaged drives. I just said they're
not the *only* way to goL195[09:12:37] <Michiyo> Hey @Forecaster
got a second?
L196[09:12:41] <Forecaster>
hm?
<Forecaster>
hm?L197[09:13:05] <S3> MGR: It's the only way
to go!
L198[09:13:24] <Michiyo> https://github.com/PC-Logix/LanteaBot/blob/master/src/main/java/pcl/lc/irc/hooks/NewTopic.java#L59
L199[09:13:25] <MGR> S3,
no
<MGR> S3,
noL200[09:13:26] <Forecaster>
@MGR I think he's aware and just pulling your leg
<Forecaster>
@MGR I think he's aware and just pulling your legL201[09:13:30] <Michiyo> Did I do that
wrong or something?
L202[09:13:30] <S3> I do not think you
understand where that expression comes from, MGR.
L203[09:13:46] <MGR>
@Forecaster Thank you for your information
<MGR>
@Forecaster Thank you for your informationL204[09:13:52] <MGR> S3,
does it really matter?
<MGR> S3,
does it really matter?L205[09:13:56] <S3> Sure it does
L206[09:14:08] <Forecaster>
Michiyo: at a glance it doesn't look like it
<Forecaster>
Michiyo: at a glance it doesn't look like itL207[09:14:14] <S3> it has culture tied to
it.
L208[09:14:19] <Michiyo> cause AmandaC was
able to use addtopic... but shouldn't have been able to.
L209[09:14:28] <MGR> I
don't see how culture matters
<MGR> I
don't see how culture mattersL210[09:14:33] <MGR> or is
relevant...
<MGR> or is
relevant...L211[09:14:41] <AmandaC> %whoami
L212[09:14:59] <S3> MGR: Culture is very
relevant
L213[09:15:03] <S3> without it, you just
have zombies
L214[09:15:12] <Michiyo> I should add a
command to print your current permission level...
L215[09:15:15] <Michiyo> %authed
L216[09:15:15] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
Nope.
L217[09:15:15] <MGR>
No
<MGR>
NoL218[09:15:19] <AmandaC> %authed
L219[09:15:19] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
Authenticated to Nickserv account AmandaC
L220[09:15:19] <MGR> I'm a
case in point
<MGR> I'm a
case in pointL221[09:15:20] <Michiyo> huh.. that's
broken
L222[09:15:28] <Forecaster>
didn't I add that
<Forecaster>
didn't I add thatL223[09:15:34] <Michiyo> I added
that
L224[09:15:36] <MGR>
MichiBot is rebelling against her creators!
<MGR>
MichiBot is rebelling against her creators!L225[09:15:37] <Forecaster>
%whatami
<Forecaster>
%whatamiL226[09:15:38] <MichiBot> You are nothing!
NOTHING!
L227[09:15:40] <AmandaC> %whatami
L228[09:15:40] <MichiBot> You are nothing!
NOTHING!
L229[09:15:42] <AmandaC> :(
L230[09:15:45] <AmandaC> Rude.
L231[09:15:46] <Michiyo> Oh, that
L232[09:15:49] <Forecaster>
yeah, that, I added that
<Forecaster>
yeah, that, I added thatL233[09:15:52] <Michiyo> %whatami
L234[09:15:53] <MichiBot> You are nothing!
NOTHING!
L235[09:15:59] <Forecaster>
huh
<Forecaster>
huhL236[09:15:59] *
Michiyo coughs
L237[09:16:09] <Forecaster>
I think the permissions may be a bit borked
<Forecaster>
I think the permissions may be a bit borkedL238[09:16:20] <Forecaster>
I shall have a look when I get home from work
<Forecaster>
I shall have a look when I get home from workL239[09:16:24] <SAL9000> %authed
L240[09:16:24] <MichiBot> SAL9000:
Nope.
L241[09:16:30] <Michiyo> I don't think
I've touched permissions... lemme look.
L242[09:16:34] <MajGenRelativity>
%authed
L243[09:16:34] <MichiBot>
MajGenRelativity: Nope.
L244[09:16:39] <MajGenRelativity>
%whatami
L245[09:16:40] <MichiBot> You are nothing!
NOTHING!
L246[09:16:46] <MajGenRelativity> I am
authed
L247[09:16:52] <SAL9000> not that kind of
auth, I'm guessing
L248[09:17:02] <MajGenRelativity> Maybe
so
L249[09:17:04] <AmandaC> did %whatami get
overwritten by a dynamic command or similar?
L250[09:17:07] <Michiyo> authed checks for
NS auth
L251[09:17:17] <SAL9000> both MGR and
myself are NS authenticated
L252[09:17:22] <SAL9000> my account name
doesn't match my nick, though
L253[09:17:22] <Corded> * <MGR>
nods
L254[09:17:22] <Michiyo> you *shouldn't*
be able to overwrite static commands with dynamic ones...
L255[09:17:26] <Michiyo> %test
L256[09:17:27] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
Success
L257[09:17:28] <MGR> Mine
does match
<MGR> Mine
does matchL258[09:17:31] <Michiyo> %addcommand test
Merp
L259[09:17:31] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Can't
override existing commands.
L260[09:17:35] <AmandaC> ah
L261[09:17:35] <SAL9000> %commands
L262[09:17:43] <Michiyo> %help
L263[09:17:43] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Command
list: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/help
L264[09:17:44] <SAL9000> whatami is in the
list
L265[09:17:46] <Michiyo> and it just
points you there.
L266[09:18:05] <Michiyo> commands is
somewhat broken at times
L267[09:18:07] <SAL9000> :(
L268[09:18:08] <Michiyo> is why I pointed
out help
L269[09:18:35] <Michiyo> both also show
dynamic commands anyway
L270[09:18:42] <Michiyo> cause well...
they're in the commands list.
L271[09:18:48] <AmandaC> %listperms
L272[09:19:32] <Michiyo> yeah I've not
touched permissions that I can see
L273[09:19:36] <AmandaC> %blame
@Forecaster
L274[09:19:36] *
MichiBot blames @Forecaster for doubling the time until release by
asking questions
L275[09:19:42] <SAL9000> ouch!
L276[09:19:57] <Forecaster>
at least blame works, I made that too :D
<Forecaster>
at least blame works, I made that too :DL277[09:20:09] <Michiyo> lol
L278[09:20:13] <Forecaster>
wou've been ironic if it didn't
<Forecaster>
wou've been ironic if it didn'tL279[09:20:19] <Forecaster>
would've
<Forecaster>
would'veL280[09:20:36] <MGR> Then
we couldn't blame you!
<MGR> Then
we couldn't blame you!L281[09:20:56] <Corded> * <MGR>
pokes at S3 and walks off
L282[09:21:32] <Michiyo> Hmm...
L283[09:21:34] <Skye> %blame Michiyo
L284[09:21:34] *
MichiBot blames Michiyo for the moon not being made of
cheese
L285[09:21:38] <Michiyo> Someone try %part
#oc
L286[09:21:42] <AmandaC> Michiyo: at the
risk of invoking the "asking for power blocks you from it
permentantly" curse, I'd like to retain access to %addtopic
when it gets fixed, if that'd be agreeable
L287[09:21:44] <MGR> %part
#oc
<MGR> %part
#ocL288[09:21:48] <MajGenRelativity> %part
#oc
L289[09:21:49] <Skye> %part #oc
L290[09:21:49] <Michiyo> from IRC..
:P
L291[09:21:52] <Michiyo> Ok
L292[09:21:54] <MajGenRelativity>
Noooooo
L293[09:21:54] <Michiyo> that works
atleast.
L294[09:22:00] <Michiyo> so it's not
TOTALLY broken.
L295[09:22:05] <Skye> %blame
MichiBot
L296[09:22:05] *
MichiBot blames herself for the existence of wasps!
L297[09:22:07] <MajGenRelativity> I don't
have the privileges!
L298[09:22:15] <Forecaster>
did I move that command to the new system?
<Forecaster>
did I move that command to the new system?L299[09:22:54] <Michiyo> command_part =
new Command("part", 0, Permissions.ADMIN) {
L300[09:23:29] <Forecaster>
so yes
<Forecaster>
so yesL301[09:23:56] <Forecaster>
yeah, pretty sure I had to go though and update everything, since I
basically removed the old system
<Forecaster>
yeah, pretty sure I had to go though and update everything, since I
basically removed the old systemL302[09:23:57] <Michiyo> AmandaC, I'd like
to add more.. fine grain permission controls... something more than
just Mod/Admin/Nobody.. so yes I'll see about that
L303[09:24:19] <MGR> Fine
grained permissions are cool
<MGR> Fine
grained permissions are coolL304[09:24:20] <Forecaster>
I made the new system to allow changing the ranks easier :P
<Forecaster>
I made the new system to allow changing the ranks easier :PL305[09:24:42] <Forecaster>
the old one was terrible for that
<Forecaster>
the old one was terrible for thatL306[09:26:32] <AmandaC> @Forecaster I
think I s what's wrong: https://github.com/PC-Logix/LanteaBot/blob/master/src/main/java/pcl/lc/irc/Permissions.java#L50-L56
L307[09:26:38] <AmandaC> rank 0 is
mod
L308[09:26:55] <AmandaC> if it's not
found, it's returning rank 0
L309[09:27:00] <Forecaster>
oh, hm
<Forecaster>
oh, hmL310[09:27:20] <Forecaster>
woops
<Forecaster>
woopsL311[09:27:49] <AmandaC> maybe adding a
rank of NOBODY and making that be rank 0 would be best
L312[09:28:01] <Forecaster>
maybe
<Forecaster>
maybeL313[09:28:10] <MGR> I am
become mod?!
<MGR> I am
become mod?!L314[09:28:12] <Forecaster>
currently nobody is NULL
<Forecaster>
currently nobody is NULLL315[09:29:02] <AmandaC> if(minRank ==
null) { return true; }
L316[09:29:20] <AmandaC> wait, that makes
sense.
L317[09:30:52] <AmandaC> I'd say adding a
rank of NOBODY before MODS would be the solution.
L318[09:30:56] <Forecaster>
probably just need a dummy entry in the rank array to reserve 0 for
no rank
<Forecaster>
probably just need a dummy entry in the rank array to reserve 0 for
no rankL319[09:31:32] <AmandaC> That's pretty
much what I'm thinking of with NOBODY
L320[09:31:38] <AmandaC> could even be
defined as null
L321[09:31:57] <Forecaster>
but it doesn't have to be a proper rank property, I'd just add an
empty string to the array
<Forecaster>
but it doesn't have to be a proper rank property, I'd just add an
empty string to the arrayL322[09:31:58] <AmandaC> probably not a
good idea, tho
L323[09:32:16] <Forecaster>
I'd still prefer just passing NULL for no rank
<Forecaster>
I'd still prefer just passing NULL for no rankL324[09:33:39] <AmandaC> well, null is
still effectively rank 0
L325[09:33:51] <AmandaC> so it'd just be
giving it a proper name
L326[09:33:58] <S3> MGR: ?
L327[09:34:29] <MGR> You
didn't respond to my previous comments (which should probably be in
a PM), so I poked you and wandered off
<MGR> You
didn't respond to my previous comments (which should probably be in
a PM), so I poked you and wandered offL328[09:35:33] <S3> of course not it got
burried in the other teext
L329[09:35:43] <MGR>
Ok
<MGR>
OkL330[09:36:04] <S3> Oh wow
L331[09:36:06] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> shovels more text over it
L332[09:36:08] <S3> there is an alot of
control on the board
L333[09:36:08] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L334[09:36:25] <Forecaster>
there's an allot on the board?!
<Forecaster>
there's an allot on the board?!L335[09:36:29] <Forecaster>
abandon ship!
<Forecaster>
abandon ship!L336[09:36:40] <S3> lol
L337[09:36:41] <MGR> But
yeah, like I said, if you want to continue the culture thing, you
should probably move the discussion to PM
<MGR> But
yeah, like I said, if you want to continue the culture thing, you
should probably move the discussion to PML338[09:36:48] <S3> no right on the board
it says "alot of control"
L339[09:36:48] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L340[09:36:55] <S3> the chaulk board
L341[09:37:11] <Forecaster>
S3 your spelling is horrendous today
<Forecaster>
S3 your spelling is horrendous todayL342[09:37:14] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL343[09:37:22] <S3> ITS WHAT THE BOARD
SAYS!!!
L344[09:37:35] <Michiyo> draw an
alot
L345[09:37:35] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L346[09:37:40] <gamax92> S3: no capslocks
please
L347[09:37:41] <Michiyo> there, have a few
reference pictures.
L348[09:37:52] <MGR>
Heh
<MGR>
HehL349[09:37:52] <S3> I didn't use caps lock
:P
L350[09:37:55] <S3> so meh
L351[09:38:04] <MGR> You're
missing the point
<MGR> You're
missing the pointL352[09:38:06] <gamax92> S3: no smartass
please
L353[09:38:09] <S3> I never use caps
lock
L354[09:38:22] <S3> Omg I have a relevant
quote btw
L355[09:38:25] *
Michiyo leaves the channel because of the last request
L356[09:38:41] <gamax92> Michiyo: :P
L357[09:38:46] <S3> http://bash.org/?835030
L358[09:39:16] <MGR> I
second gamax92's first statement
<MGR> I
second gamax92's first statementL359[09:40:01] <S3> MGR: So? It's not like
I've argued with him about it at all :P
L360[09:40:22] <MGR> I'm
just agreeing with him
<MGR> I'm
just agreeing with himL361[09:41:20] <S3> But yeah, I love that
quote, I think it is epic
L362[09:42:27] <Michiyo> @Forecaster, can
confirm... adding a dummy entry to the list works.
L363[09:42:44]
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L364[09:42:50] <Corded> * <MGR>
mentally closes the culture conversation and resumes garbage
collection
L365[09:43:11] <Forecaster>
I thought so :P
<Forecaster>
I thought so :PL366[09:44:59] <Michiyo> now to figure out
why %authed is broken.
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L368[09:46:13] *
AmandaC meows at Inari, sitting on her chair
L369[09:46:22] ⇦
Quits: andreww (~xarses@8.39.49.133) (Ping timeout: 198
seconds)
L370[09:47:02] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
:P
L371[09:47:03] *
MichiBot pets AmandaC :P with a quantum hug. AmandaC :P recovers 4
health!
L372[09:47:18] <Inari> Thats a shark
L373[09:47:37] <Forecaster>
%hug inari
<Forecaster>
%hug inariL374[09:47:44] <Forecaster>
oh
<Forecaster>
ohL375[09:47:44] <Forecaster>
darn
<Forecaster>
darnL376[09:47:47] <Inari> Heh
L377[09:47:48] <MGR>
Probably wise to exit the water then
<MGR>
Probably wise to exit the water thenL378[09:47:51] <MGR> Unless
it is landshark
<MGR> Unless
it is landsharkL379[09:47:53] <Forecaster>
I thought I would have added that
<Forecaster>
I thought I would have added thatL380[09:47:59] <AmandaC> neither, it's a
thought shark
L381[09:48:00] <Inari> @MGR a
skyshark
L382[09:48:06] <Inari> [16:47:02]
*MichiBot* payonel in #oc said: https://giphy.com/gifs/B12pQitKCAgx2/html5 on Nov 15
@ 23:19 UTC
L383[09:48:06] <MGR>
NOooooo
<MGR>
NOoooooL384[09:48:09] <Forecaster>
aka a Skark
<Forecaster>
aka a SkarkL385[09:48:15] <AmandaC> it devours
information, causing you to lose your memory
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L387[09:48:42] <MGR> Inari,
does it have laser beams?
<MGR> Inari,
does it have laser beams?L388[09:49:34] <Kodos>
Frikkin*
<Kodos>
Frikkin*L389[09:49:39] <Inari> %shrug
L390[09:49:39] <MichiBot> No you
shrug!
L391[09:49:40] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
?L392[09:50:41] <Kodos> This
game is hilarious
<Kodos> This
game is hilariousL393[09:51:41] <Kodos> I'm
playing Heckpoint. My character is a super elite xeno bear ?
<Kodos> I'm
playing Heckpoint. My character is a super elite xeno bear ?L394[09:51:45] <MGR>
Wat
<MGR>
WatL395[09:52:12] <Kodos>
That's his name super elite xeno bear
<Kodos>
That's his name super elite xeno bearL396[09:52:35]
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L397[09:53:45] <MGR> Is it
a regular bear?
<MGR> Is it
a regular bear?L398[09:54:50] <Forecaster>
what part of "super elite xeno" sounds regular to you?
:P
<Forecaster>
what part of "super elite xeno" sounds regular to you?
:PL399[09:56:23] <MGR> Yeah,
but is it a bear from earth?
<MGR> Yeah,
but is it a bear from earth?L400[09:56:43] <MGR> I have
so many questions, but I have to start somewhere
<MGR> I have
so many questions, but I have to start somewhereL401[09:57:21] *
Michiyo sighs
L402[09:57:22] <Michiyo> I see.
L403[09:57:33] <Michiyo> in an effort to
speed MichiBot's response time up...
L404[09:57:36] <Michiyo> I broke
this.
L405[09:58:14] <Michiyo> If you log out,
and back in with MichiBot in the channel...
L406[09:58:18] <Michiyo> %authed
L407[09:58:18] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
Authenticated to Nickserv account Michiyo
L408[09:58:20] <Michiyo> it works.
L409[09:58:47] <Michiyo> but if you're
logged in and the bot joins... it never actively looks for NS
accounts.
L410[09:58:54] <MGR>
Uhoh
<MGR>
UhohL411[09:58:56] <MGR>
%ohno
<MGR>
%ohnoL412[09:58:56] <MichiBot> ohno
L413[10:02:51] <Michiyo> actual perm
checks manually check so they work
L414[10:03:01] <Michiyo> but authed
directly hits the authed hashmap, so it fails
L415[10:05:12] <Michiyo> So.. cheating
time... add a Permissions.ALL and make Admin.authed check that
permission level :p
L416[10:05:28] <Michiyo> and success..
also kills 2 birds with one stone...
L417[10:08:42] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL418[10:08:55] <Forecaster>
yay for stoning birds?
<Forecaster>
yay for stoning birds?L419[10:09:20] <AmandaC> the birds had it
coming, those heathens
L420[10:09:21] <Michiyo> lol
L421[10:09:30] <MGR> The
birds are which type of stoned?
<MGR> The
birds are which type of stoned?L422[10:09:36] <Michiyo> it fixes the
issue of everyone being mod, and it fixes authed being
broken.
L423[10:09:43] <Michiyo> NOW... for the
real question...
L424[10:09:49] <Michiyo> how the hell are
permissions being stored...
L425[10:09:55] <Forecaster>
though ALL makies it sound like "I have ALL the
permissions" :P
<Forecaster>
though ALL makies it sound like "I have ALL the
permissions" :PL426[10:10:07] <Michiyo> ok.. then
.EVERYONE
L427[10:10:14] <Michiyo> or
.FUCKINGHACKYWORKAROUNDS
L428[10:10:16] <Michiyo> :P
L429[10:10:19] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL430[10:10:30] <Forecaster>
perms go in the users table or some such
<Forecaster>
perms go in the users table or some suchL431[10:10:30] <AmandaC>
.SOUL_HAVERS
L432[10:11:28] <Michiyo> Well, theres Ops,
which are the bot admins, absolute power...
L433[10:11:40] <Michiyo> then there is
Permissions... which still has numeric entries for ranks..
L434[10:11:44] <Michiyo> (this in in the
DB)
L435[10:12:18] <Michiyo> Unless something
happened and the DB for my local bot didn't get updated..
L436[10:12:32] <Forecaster>
it wont auto-update
<Forecaster>
it wont auto-updateL437[10:12:37] <Forecaster>
I didn't add anything for that
<Forecaster>
I didn't add anything for thatL438[10:12:44] <Michiyo> Ahh yeah I see
that.. I'll have to nuke the table and rerun gotcha
L439[10:12:48] <Michiyo> I was *very*
confused lmao
L440[10:36:46] <Inari> Now to figure out
which font nasa used on this AGC code prinouts
L441[10:41:18] <Forecaster>
it's probably top secret
<Forecaster>
it's probably top secretL442[10:41:52] <Michiyo> File a Freedom of
Information act request to find out, you'll get a response in 6-12
years.
L443[10:43:01] <Skye> Inari, probably a
line printer
L444[10:43:02] <Skye> or
L445[10:43:07] <Skye> a daisy wheel
printer
L446[10:46:18] <Inari> Well
L447[10:46:28] <Inari> worst case I can
just crop letters from the image and make a font
L448[10:46:58] <S3> Whee
L449[10:47:04] <Kodos> You
could also What the font it
<Kodos> You
could also What the font itL450[10:47:29] <S3> so my professor sent
me an email saying I didn't do my paper in latex and used word
instead which was against the rules
L451[10:47:35] <S3> so I emailed him a zip
of my latex source code for it
L452[10:47:38] <S3> and he's like
oh....
L453[10:47:52] <S3> I was like "Yeah
I wrote it all by hand in emacs, so I might as well make it look
nice"
L454[10:48:54] <Temia> https://giant.gfycat.com/ReasonableIllfatedKudu.webm
squeeeeeeeeeeee~
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L456[10:54:40] <Inari> @Kodos "Sorry,
no close results were found." :<
L457[10:57:12] <Inari> Mihgt have to edit
the image a bit more to make it easier for the website to read the
font
L458[11:04:27] <Kodos> I
generally crop around the words
<Kodos> I
generally crop around the wordsL459[11:04:35] <Kodos> So
th ere's nothing to mess with the algorithm
<Kodos> So
th ere's nothing to mess with the algorithmL460[11:04:43] <Inari> Yeah but some
letters are partially faded and such
L462[11:07:42] <SAL9000> Inari: threshold
it
L464[11:12:17] <Kodos>
err
<Kodos>
errL465[11:23:49] <MGR>
"Needless to say this network needed some love, a bit of elbow
grease, and possibly a priest." --- Quote 2/3
<MGR>
"Needless to say this network needed some love, a bit of elbow
grease, and possibly a priest." --- Quote 2/3L466[11:39:13] <payonel> Turtle: managed
drives do FS nonsense? can you explain?
L467[11:39:26] <payonel> S3: we should
have an examples section on the repo of...? of what?
L468[11:40:34] <payonel> Vexatos: so i
implemented `mount --bind ...` support (mount folder to folder) and
added a boot checked to mount /mnt/???/home to /home
L469[11:40:43] <payonel> it works, it's
cool, but ... it costs 30k of memory
L470[11:40:48] <payonel> i could reduce
that slightly, but not much
L471[11:40:56] <payonel> this upsets me
:(
L472[11:41:10] <MGR> How
much does OOS use now?
<MGR> How
much does OOS use now?L473[11:41:13] <payonel> so an alternative
is to mount tmpfs to /home, and report a message
L474[11:41:20] <Vexatos> payonel,
cool
L475[11:41:26] <payonel> @mgr ~136k
L476[11:41:36] <MGR>
Ok
<MGR>
OkL477[11:41:51] <MGR> Thank
you
<MGR> Thank
youL478[11:44:08] <Skye> payonel, why does it
use up memory?
L479[11:44:21] <payonel> Skye: because
loading code costs memory
L480[11:44:50] <Skye> so the code for a
bind costs memory?
L481[11:45:20] <payonel> there is a lot
involved to determine the bind point, and to represent the bind
proxy, but yes
L482[11:45:22] <payonel> it costs
memory
L483[11:45:27] <payonel> nothing is
free
L484[11:46:18] <Skye> D:
L485[11:46:32] <payonel> i could reduce
the size of the proxy, and i can reduce some of the cost of the
support methods
L486[11:46:35] <S3> so
L487[11:46:37] <Forecaster>
except things that are free
<Forecaster>
except things that are freeL488[11:46:44] <S3> payonel: for OC
L489[11:46:50] <payonel> but i doubt i'd
save more than 40% of that 30k. and that's veeeerrry
optimistic
L490[11:46:51] <MGR>
"Head of department meetings are awfully dull. However when
you’re the most hated man in the company it does tend to spice it
up a little" --- Quote 3/3
<MGR>
"Head of department meetings are awfully dull. However when
you’re the most hated man in the company it does tend to spice it
up a little" --- Quote 3/3L491[11:47:50] <payonel> @mgr why are you
quoting arbitrary things that aren't to create discussion but just
noise?
L492[11:48:07] <payonel> S3:
specifically?
L493[11:48:38] <S3> I dunno. it could be
in the main repo with pull requests required, or..a section of the
form with approved sticky examples
L494[11:48:42] <payonel> so to all here,
if i decide to mount tmpfs on /home (if /home is readonly) what
MESSAGE should i report to the user
L495[11:48:43] <S3> kind of like
OETF
L496[11:49:06] <payonel> the user should
know that files they create in /home in this situation would be
lost on reboot
L497[11:49:13] <Forecaster>
arbitrary things can spark discussion :P
<Forecaster>
arbitrary things can spark discussion :PL498[11:49:13] <AmandaC> payonel:
"WARNING: Any changes made will be wiped away on
reboot."
L499[11:49:16] <payonel> but if i add
this, i can do it very cheep
L500[11:49:22] <MGR>
@Forecaster Indeed
<MGR>
@Forecaster IndeedL501[11:49:34] <S3> payonel: Why emit a
warning?
L502[11:49:43] <AmandaC> Maybe with
"To allow changes to be kept, insert a hard drive."
L503[11:49:50] <payonel> S3: because as
AmandaC pointed out, it's a temp fs
L504[11:49:59] <S3> you could emit the
read only message that linux dos
L505[11:50:01] <S3> does*
L506[11:50:06] <payonel> AmandaC: yeah,
and, "we did this because /home was readonly"
L507[11:50:23] <payonel> i've never seen
linux tell me home was readonly and so it mounted something else
there for me
L508[11:50:29] <payonel> so i dont know
what message you're talking about
L509[11:50:55] <S3> mount: block device
/dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
L510[11:50:57] <S3> payonel: ^
L511[11:51:06] <payonel> but its not
that
L512[11:51:08] <S3> obviously you'd change
it
L513[11:51:16] <S3> it's not what?
L514[11:51:21] <Skye> I think a bind mount
feature would be useful in general
L515[11:51:30] <payonel> Skye: i'm
checking that in anyways
L516[11:51:39] <payonel> Skye: having the
suppor doesn't cost mem
L517[11:51:41] <payonel> just using it
does
L518[11:51:48] <Skye> ah
L519[11:52:07] <AmandaC> payonel: how's it
implemented?
L520[11:52:09] <MGR> So,
you can mount filesystems (e.g. HDDs) to folders in another
filesystem?
<MGR> So,
you can mount filesystems (e.g. HDDs) to folders in another
filesystem?L521[11:52:22] ⇦
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L522[11:52:22] <payonel> @mgr that's
always been the case
L523[11:52:35] <payonel> @mgr this is a
feature that lets you mount folder to folder, not just device to
folder
L524[11:52:36] <AmandaC> payonel: if you
can just intercept the path, check against a "rewrite
table" in the various filesystem API calls, I don't think it'd
cost that much memory.
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L526[11:52:42] <MGR>
Oh
<MGR>
OhL527[11:53:07] <Skye> payonel, you should
make bind mounts transparent, considering that the most common
device is a literal FS and not a block device. :P
L528[11:53:10] <S3> I really wish I knew
what I did now (which is almost nothing) 20 some odd years
ago
L529[11:53:10] <payonel> AmandaC: yes,
there is more to it. i'll post a link to my branch of it
later
L530[11:53:19] <AmandaC> sure. :)
L531[11:53:19] <MGR> I'm
uncertain of the advantage, but ok
<MGR> I'm
uncertain of the advantage, but okL532[11:53:59] <payonel> S3: it is
different because boot is choosing to change your /home mount
solely because it was RO, a special behavior to give you a rw home.
i've not seen a message explaining that before. it is slightly
different
L533[11:54:12] <S3> hm
L534[11:54:17] <S3> Yeah I see
L535[11:54:20] <payonel> Skye: the bind
points are transparent...i'm not sure what you mean
L536[11:54:22] <S3> I forgot it was
tmpfs
L537[11:55:00] <Skye> payonel, mount
--bind seems redundant considering most FSes you want to mount
already look like folders?
L538[11:55:14] <S3> my OS just calls
filesystem components OCFS
L539[11:55:36] <S3> to the os, unmanaged
vs managed is no different
L540[11:55:49] <S3> VFS hides it
L541[11:55:50] <payonel> Skye: this is
when the source is a folder. in real life, this is `mount -o bind
`
L542[11:56:12] <S3> of course, it's
hairy..
L543[11:56:28] <S3> VFS is actually not
part of the core system, instead is part of libunix
L544[11:56:32] <Skye> hm
L545[11:56:53] <payonel> Skye: consider
you have a drive, fa4, at /mnt/fa4
L546[11:56:54] <payonel> yeah?
L547[11:57:01] <payonel> and let's say you
have a home dir there, /mnt/fa4/home
L548[11:57:07] <payonel> but you want THAT
to be your /home dir
L549[11:57:13] <payonel> mount --bind
/mnt/fa4/home /home
L550[11:57:14] <payonel> done
L551[11:57:25] <Skye> say you want to
mount fa4 itself as /usr
L552[11:57:35] <payonel> well that's easy,
mount fa4 /usr
L553[11:57:37] <payonel> but that's not a
bind point
L554[11:57:42] <payonel> that's a normal
device mount
L555[11:57:53] <Turtle> payonel, RE: ´FS
nonsense´ I was just referring to the FS management in
general
L556[11:58:12] <payonel> Turtle: it's
nonesense that i'm charge of. so feedback is welcome
L557[11:58:18] <payonel> i'm in*
L558[11:58:20] <Turtle> I used ¨nonsense¨
jokingly as people were talking about unmanaged being better
:P
L559[11:58:30] <S3> Heya turtle
L560[11:58:34] <Turtle> ... I really need
to switch irc clients, grr GTK
L561[11:58:43] <payonel> Turtle: ah. well
no offense taken. i appreciate outside perspective
L562[11:59:43] <S3> Turtle: Why GTK sucks
so bad
L563[11:59:48] <S3> I will never
know
L564[11:59:58] <Skye> there should be an
mntfs
L565[12:00:01] <S3> imo, all gui toolkit
libs suck
L566[12:00:07] <S3> Skye: wut
L567[12:00:15] <Turtle> Because GNU fools
thought it was a good idea to have the double quote character be
the unicode combining character
L568[12:00:16] <S3> what does mntfs
do
L569[12:00:27] <S3> oh oh oh
L570[12:00:33] <S3> you mean like
fuse?
L571[12:01:02] <S3> kind of like solaris's
aproach
L572[12:01:12] <Turtle> possibly, dunno,
GTK is just a bad at keyboard input
L573[12:01:21] <S3> Turtle: not
surprised
L574[12:01:29] <Skye> S3, so /mnt/ is a
pretend fs
L575[12:01:51] <S3> Skye: ...? Why?
L576[12:04:17] <Skye> S3, so /mnt/<any
partial UUID> works
L577[12:04:40] <S3> Should I hold all
events of the computer in a registry in the scheduler, and then
send them to the actors that register for them, waking them up when
needed? or should I have a component actor that receives all events
and drops messages in actors' mailboxes that registered with the
component actor, only to be woken up by the scheduler because they
have waiting messages?
L578[12:04:46] <S3> OS design question
^
L579[12:05:20] <S3> Both ways have ups and
downs, the component actor is slower, but cleaner
L580[12:06:23] <Kodos> As
long as it's not unusably slow, clean is good
<Kodos> As
long as it's not unusably slow, clean is goodL581[12:06:32] <S3> I have no idea
L582[12:07:18] <S3> It could be, but even
though I am not implementing scheduler priority, my idea is that
actors will sleep indefinately and never be resumed unless you send
them a message
L583[12:07:37] <S3> so it's not like it
has to wait too long to come back to the component actor
L584[12:07:53] <S3> but at the same time
component actor becomes a bottleneck
L585[12:09:12] <S3> The other complication
is to perform syncronous receive() to the scheduler. If the
scheduler were an actor itself..
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L587[12:09:58] <S3> wait, I don't even
need a scheduler for my design if it's 100% event fired. the
scheduler can be an actor that is a "post office"
L588[12:10:15] <S3> hmm..
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L590[12:12:30] <Inari> @Kodos
"err"?
L591[12:14:15] <Kodos> Was
trying to get the proper link but had to head out
<Kodos> Was
trying to get the proper link but had to head outL592[12:14:37] <Inari> Ah
L593[12:19:16] <AmandaC> wtf
L594[12:19:22] <AmandaC> why was /tmp
using 17G after a fresh boot
L595[12:24:16] <AmandaC> oh, because
systemd was configured to let it grow unbounded. :D
L596[12:25:07] <AmandaC> there, now /tmp
will get cleared daily
L597[12:25:26] <payonel> AmandaC: the two
last methods are the key to bind points: https://github.com/payonel/OpenComputers/blob/rw-home/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/lib/core/full_filesystem.lua#L167
L598[12:25:32] <payonel> AmandaC: and this
is part of the descovery: https://github.com/payonel/OpenComputers/commit/db16f386337ffe875b63a694dfaf5d7f73d9fdf5
L599[12:25:59] <payonel> AmandaC: there
are a few other helper methods involed. parts can be isolated
slightly more, and i could reduce cost (after all, that's what i
do)
L600[12:26:05] <payonel> but it's not
going to be huge savings
L601[12:26:45] <AmandaC> payonel: I
guessed that's what you were doing. I mean why make it pretend to
be another fs, when you can just intercept & rewrite the path
in the top level of the `filesystem` paths. like, a table of src,
dest
L602[12:26:57] <AmandaC> s/` paths/`
functions/
L603[12:26:58] <MichiBot> <AmandaC>
payonel: I guessed that's what you were doing. I mean why make it
pretend to be another fs, when you can just intercept & rewrite
the path in the top level of the `filesystem` functions. like, a
table of src, dest
L604[12:27:09] <payonel> AmandaC: because
that's essentially how mounts work
L605[12:27:21] <ben_mkiv> pay :>
L606[12:27:38] <ben_mkiv> you may know how
computers work with components internal
L607[12:27:57] <ben_mkiv> do i have to
sync the data to the client and do all the machine stuff there or
is it used to be all server side?
L608[12:28:10] <payonel> AmandaC: for
example: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/lib/filesystem.lua#L335
L609[12:28:15] <payonel> AmandaC: that's
when you request to open a file
L610[12:28:24] <ben_mkiv> with sync data i
mean the machine and the component inventory stuff
L611[12:28:42] <payonel> AmandaC: notice
how it says node.fs.open ... the fs part in there is the driver of
the device
L612[12:28:57] <payonel> that's how mounts
are implemented, everything is already intercepted
L613[12:30:34] <AmandaC> payonel: yeah, I
meant handling the "bind" one there, so you'd have {
["/home"] => "/mnt/f00/home/" } then you'd
check that table inside that function and know to look up under
`/mnt/f00/home/bar`
L614[12:31:04] <AmandaC> so, instead of
faking another proxy, just pretend the path you were given was
different
L615[12:31:21] <AmandaC> Though, that
would get messy for list, I guess.
L616[12:31:51] <payonel> AmandaC:
leveraging the existing mount driver system, i do feel this is
quite a cheap solution to bind points
L617[12:31:54] <payonel> and, it felt
right
L618[12:32:11] <AmandaC> fair enough. I
just figured it'd probably be cheaper than 30k
L619[12:32:48] <AmandaC> though, it'd
increase the baseline
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L621[12:34:05] <payonel> AmandaC: well it
would be a good control test to see how much it would cost to do it
right BUT messy (if you know what i mean)
L622[12:34:33] <payonel> ben_mkiv: ok
what? um ... i believe all inventory requests are sent back to the
server
L623[12:34:41] <payonel> ben_mkiv: but
that's not my area of expertise at all
L624[12:34:55] <payonel> it's something
i've tried to learn a lot more about
L625[12:35:02] <payonel> but, i'm not the
expert on these things
L626[12:35:40] <ben_mkiv> ok, no
worry
L627[12:35:47] <ben_mkiv> yea somehow the
inventory has to be synced
L628[12:35:50] <payonel> AmandaC: btw, if
i use tmpfs for /home, this is all it would take: https://github.com/payonel/OpenComputers/commit/28bcd9f35923a02e97dcd1c79a8e9463e06f6218
L629[12:35:56] <ben_mkiv> but not sure
about the machine(components)
L630[12:37:59] <payonel> AmandaC: so
because i'm starting from 30k and hoping to get below 15k ...
whereas the tmpfs solution is sooooo simple and cheap
L631[12:38:07] <payonel> that's a big
reason i'm in favor of the tmpfs solution
L632[12:38:25] <payonel> also, the bind
solution does require i make a dir on the rw drive
L633[12:38:36] <payonel> `mkdir
/mnt/???/home ` that is
L634[12:38:58] <payonel> and the reason i
would do that is because it would make a lot more sense to the user
when they decide to install openos on that drive
L636[12:50:30] <Forecaster>
godammit
<Forecaster>
godammitL637[12:51:21] <payonel> @forecaster i
absolutely know your pain
L638[12:51:39] <Forecaster>
it's even lying (or someone messed up an int check) because it
doesn't accept 16
<Forecaster>
it's even lying (or someone messed up an int check) because it
doesn't accept 16L639[12:51:45] <Forecaster>
it has to be 15 or less...
<Forecaster>
it has to be 15 or less...L640[12:51:47] <payonel> @forecaster i use
a password db (keepass) and i keep record of all the stupid sites i
have used that have absurd rules
L641[12:51:54] <Forecaster>
someone used < instead of <=
<Forecaster>
someone used < instead of <=L642[12:53:06] <MGR> And
they should have
<MGR> And
they should haveL643[12:53:22] <MGR>
Password should be LESS THAN 16 (no 'or equal to')
<MGR>
Password should be LESS THAN 16 (no 'or equal to')L644[12:53:34] <MGR> So
that would restrict you to a maximum of 15 characters
<MGR> So
that would restrict you to a maximum of 15 charactersL645[12:53:45] <Forecaster>
uh what
<Forecaster>
uh whatL646[12:53:45] <payonel> wat?
L647[12:53:56] <payonel> pw should be less
than maybe 512 chars
L648[12:53:58] <payonel> maaaybe
L649[12:54:03] <payonel> 1024 is
reasonable
L650[12:54:05] <MGR>
"The password is too long, it should be less than 16
characters in length"
<MGR>
"The password is too long, it should be less than 16
characters in length"L651[12:54:21] <MGR> That
means your password has to be 15 or shorter. It should not accept a
16 character password
<MGR> That
means your password has to be 15 or shorter. It should not accept a
16 character passwordL652[12:54:25] <Forecaster>
oh
<Forecaster>
ohL653[12:54:30] <Forecaster>
I didn't even read that closely
<Forecaster>
I didn't even read that closelyL654[12:54:35] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
?L655[12:54:40] <Forecaster>
that's ever stupider
<Forecaster>
that's ever stupiderL656[12:54:43] <payonel> i dont even care
about 15 vs 16, they're morons
L657[12:54:46] <MGR> You're
not wrong there
<MGR> You're
not wrong thereL658[12:57:03] <Forecaster>
I mean, there's no reason to even restrict the length at all.
<Forecaster>
I mean, there's no reason to even restrict the length at all.L659[12:57:45] <MGR> While
the limit should be in the thousands, there should be one.
Otherwise, let me put in my 1 trillion character password
<MGR> While
the limit should be in the thousands, there should be one.
Otherwise, let me put in my 1 trillion character passwordL660[12:58:10] <Forecaster>
that gets hashed, which turns it into a uniform length before being
stored
<Forecaster>
that gets hashed, which turns it into a uniform length before being
storedL661[12:58:29] <Forecaster>
I guess it might take longer to hash the longer it is
<Forecaster>
I guess it might take longer to hash the longer it isL662[12:58:42] <MGR> True
on both points, which is something I didn't think of
<MGR> True
on both points, which is something I didn't think ofL663[12:58:46] <MGR> Still
should be a limit
<MGR> Still
should be a limitL664[12:59:08] <MGR> Plus,
the password has to be stored somewhere before it is hashed
<MGR> Plus,
the password has to be stored somewhere before it is hashedL665[12:59:28] <Forecaster>
also if you find something that can output 1 trillion random
characters I'd be amazed :P
<Forecaster>
also if you find something that can output 1 trillion random
characters I'd be amazed :PL666[12:59:43] <Forecaster>
also good luck copy-pasting that xD
<Forecaster>
also good luck copy-pasting that xDL667[12:59:47] <MGR>
Heh
<MGR>
HehL668[13:00:10] <MGR> Maybe
some sort of thing that could output directly to the password box
or simulate keystrokes? I'm not sure
<MGR> Maybe
some sort of thing that could output directly to the password box
or simulate keystrokes? I'm not sureL669[13:00:21] <Forecaster>
it's stored in memory, obviously
<Forecaster>
it's stored in memory, obviouslyL670[13:00:27] <MGR>
True
<MGR>
TrueL671[13:00:34] <MGR> So
just build yourself a server ?
<MGR> So
just build yourself a server ?L672[13:00:47] <MGR> But
you make a very good point
<MGR> But
you make a very good pointL673[13:00:51] <Forecaster>
I have a server
<Forecaster>
I have a serverL674[13:00:58] <Forecaster>
that I built
<Forecaster>
that I builtL675[13:01:57] <MGR> I
assume it doesn't have 1TB of RAM, because very few residential
servers have 1TB of RAM
<MGR> I
assume it doesn't have 1TB of RAM, because very few residential
servers have 1TB of RAML676[13:02:06] <Forecaster>
haha, no :P
<Forecaster>
haha, no :PL677[13:02:19] <Forecaster>
it doesn't even have 1TB of hdd space
<Forecaster>
it doesn't even have 1TB of hdd spaceL678[13:02:26] <MGR>
Ouch
<MGR>
OuchL679[13:02:46] <Forecaster>
it's got like, less than 500Gb
<Forecaster>
it's got like, less than 500GbL680[13:02:49] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL681[13:02:53] <MGR> I
suppose you could do some kind of DDoS attack where you had a bunch
of computers submit 1GB passwords ?
<MGR> I
suppose you could do some kind of DDoS attack where you had a bunch
of computers submit 1GB passwords ?L682[13:03:24] <Forecaster>
it'd just dump to scratch disk and slow down significantly
<Forecaster>
it'd just dump to scratch disk and slow down significantlyL683[13:03:55] <Forecaster>
not that I have any systems that would accept that :P
<Forecaster>
not that I have any systems that would accept that :PL684[13:04:27] <MGR> But
your disk isn't that big
<MGR> But
your disk isn't that bigL685[13:04:37] <MGR> With
~500 computers, I'd fill everything up
<MGR> With
~500 computers, I'd fill everything upL686[13:08:15] <MGR> In any
case, we can all agree that the password limit should be higher
than 15, so that's covered ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<MGR> In any
case, we can all agree that the password limit should be higher
than 15, so that's covered ¯\_(ツ)_/¯L687[13:08:33] <Forecaster>
orshouldit?!
<Forecaster>
orshouldit?!L688[13:08:36] <Forecaster>
#suddendrama
<Forecaster>
#suddendramaL689[13:10:23] <MGR>
%randomtopic
<MGR>
%randomtopicL690[13:10:34] <MGR>
%help
<MGR>
%helpL691[13:10:34] <MichiBot> MGR: Command
list: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/help
L692[13:10:41] <Mimiru> newtopic.
L693[13:10:52] <Mimiru> though I could
alias it..
L694[13:11:34] <MGR>
%newtopic
<MGR>
%newtopicL695[13:11:35] <MichiBot> MGR: #1 I know!
Let's talk about an errant space
L696[13:11:41] <MGR> Waaa
aaaaaaaaaat
<MGR> Waaa
aaaaaaaaaatL697[13:12:46] <MGR>
%whatami
<MGR>
%whatamiL698[13:12:46] <MichiBot> You are nothing!
NOTHING!
L699[13:12:58] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
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L703[13:47:28] <Forecaster>
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/11/16/random-access-character-generator/
<Forecaster>
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/11/16/random-access-character-generator/L704[13:48:49] <MGR>
Hah
<MGR>
HahL705[13:48:52] <MGR>
Nice
<MGR>
NiceL706[14:13:40] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/v/1510862080604.png tfw switch
looks nicer than what I used to get with a GT220
L707[14:22:58] <Turtle> f
L708[14:25:12] <Forecaster>
n
<Forecaster>
nL709[14:57:41] <ben_mkiv> anyone familiar
with the java oc api?
L710[14:57:58] <ben_mkiv> trying to add
some components, which works for some stuff, like cards, ...
L711[14:58:21] <ben_mkiv> but not for
screens/upgrades
L712[14:58:56] <ben_mkiv>
ManagedEnvironment component = drv.createEnvironment(stack,
host);
L713[14:59:09] <ben_mkiv> so this works
for "internal" stuff but not for other items :/
L714[15:06:02] <MajGenRelativity> ~w
event
L715[15:06:02] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:event
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L717[15:29:19] <badcode9> hello
L718[15:29:31] <CompanionCube> hello
L719[15:30:45] <badcode9> I was always
curious how active the oc irc was :) glad to see people on
L720[15:31:38] <badcode9> I'm running into
a weird issue and thought I'd ask about it hear before opening a
github issue
L721[15:31:42] <badcode9> Anyone have a
minute to chat?
L722[15:32:05] <CompanionCube> just say
it
L723[15:32:40] <badcode9> I have two
single player worlds. One flat and creative, one survival and
regular.
L724[15:32:48] <badcode9> All computers
and robots persist in the flat world
L725[15:32:55] <badcode9> Only robots are
persisting in the survival world
L726[15:33:36] <badcode9> I've tested the
same component setups in both, and several different setups in the
survival world. I can't identify any differences between the
two.
L727[15:33:54] <badcode9> Any ideas on
variables to test or potential fixes/workarounds
L728[15:33:59] <badcode9> ?
L729[15:34:55] <vifino> Create a new set
of worlds to see if it's just a single world? Mix flat/regular and
gamemode?
L730[15:35:18] <payonel> badcode9: when a
computer doesn't persist, what isn't persisting?
L731[15:35:32] <payonel> _everything_ is
gone? or . is the data/work you did on those computers lost?
L732[15:36:01] <badcode9> @vifino, I'll
try that now. @payonel, the computer turns off but all data is
retained
L733[15:36:12] <payonel> ah, the computer
turns off
L734[15:36:18] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I Oh
look
L735[15:36:20] <MichiBot> What's new,
Atlas? | length: 55s | Likes: 3,204 Dislikes: 10 Views: 18,173 | by
BostonDynamics | Published On 16/11/2017
L736[15:36:21] <payonel> is the screen
black? or "frozen"?
L737[15:36:24] <Inari> (probably already
linked :P)
L738[15:36:53] <badcode9> Screen is frozen
until the computer is started again
L739[15:37:09] <payonel> Inari: how much
does that thing way?
L740[15:37:14] <payonel> badcode9: what oc
version?
L741[15:37:20] <Inari> How would I know
:D
L742[15:37:45] <Inari> payonel: 150kg
apparently
L743[15:38:06] <Inari> Hmm
L744[15:38:08] <Inari> 180kg maybe
L745[15:38:29] <badcode9> payonel: oc
1.7.0.20 mc 1.12.2
L746[15:38:46] <payonel> badcode9: are you
using stargatetech in the pack?
L747[15:39:09] <badcode9> no, the only
other mod is jei
L748[15:39:39] <payonel> badcode9: ok can
you make a new survival mode and allow cheats, and spawn in a
computer using /oc_sp
L749[15:39:49] <payonel> be looking at the
top face of a block when you do that
L750[15:40:56] <badcode9> k one sec
L751[15:45:17] <badcode9> payonel: weird,
when I spawn in the comp (using /oc_spawnComputer) and r-click the
case, the gui opens and closes immediately
L752[15:45:27] <badcode9> also unable to
shift + r-click to start
L753[15:45:56] <payonel> it's locked to
creative players
L754[15:45:56] <badcode9> when I create
the machine manually using jei to spawn in items, I can start it
and it stays one when restarting the world
L755[15:45:58] <payonel> forgot that
detail
L756[15:46:04] <badcode9> ah, will
retry
L757[15:46:22] <payonel> so jei spawned
stays running without freeze?
L758[15:47:08] <badcode9> yes. Just tested
the /oc_sp spawned machines in creative and those remain on as
well.
L759[15:47:17] <badcode9> appears to be
just that one saved world.
L760[15:48:40] <payonel> badcode9: in that
bad world, can you write a script on your computer:
require("event").pull("key_down")
require("computer").shutdown()
L761[15:48:56] <payonel> then,
`./that_script.lua` on the terminal -- test it i guess first
--
L762[15:49:07] <payonel> then leave and
reload the world, and give it a key_down event
L763[15:49:09] <payonel> see if it shuts
off
L764[15:52:40] <badcode9> y
L765[15:53:37] <payonel> y? yes it shut
off?
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L767[15:54:13] <badcode9> sorry,
mistype
L768[15:54:27] <badcode9> I ran the test
and the computer remained on, then shutdown with the key
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L771[15:55:03] <Michiyo> Oh crap... wait
:/
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L773[15:55:14] <badcode9> payonel: ran it
a second time, computer did not stay on and did not respond to
key
L774[15:55:28] <Turtle> Hmh. Block state
updates cause creation/destruction of the tile entity? .-.
L775[15:56:06] <badcode9> payonel: same
result on third test. did not stay on, did not shutdown on
key
L776[15:56:16] <badcode9> perhaps i messed
up the first test
L777[15:57:12] <payonel> badcode9: when
you say "did not stay on" what do you mean?
L778[15:57:23] <payonel> you and i might
be miscommunicating, and discussion different bugs
L779[15:57:52] <payonel> 1. is the power
light on the case? 2. is the content you drew to the screen still
there?
L780[15:58:53] <badcode9> payonel: sorry
about that. I'll try to be more concise. 1. when i reload the
world, the power light has turned off. 2. the content is still on
the screen
L782[15:59:34] <Forecaster>
This is currently free
<Forecaster>
This is currently freeL783[15:59:49] <payonel> badcode9:
hmm....
L784[16:00:08] <payonel> but this did not
repro in a test world
L785[16:01:08] <payonel> badcode9: if you
can repro in a test world, that would be helpful. if you make a
github issue, it is important to indicate that the computer is off,
or at least what you've done to prove to your self that it is
off
L786[16:01:24] <payonel> we've had other
bugs, and this detail is relevant
L787[16:01:54] <badcode9> payonel: okay,
completing the test rn
L788[16:02:43] <payonel> badcode9: keep in
mind that if you can't repro .. .i probably won't be able to either
:)
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L791[16:03:12] <badcode9> payonel: results
in the new test world are... *drum roll* cannot repro!
L792[16:03:20] <payonel> welcome to my
world
L793[16:03:21] <payonel> :)
L794[16:03:26] <badcode9> haha
L795[16:03:30] <badcode9> lovely
L796[16:03:31] <Michiyo> %addperm Trusted
AmandaC
L797[16:03:36] <MichiBot> Michiyo: User is
not in this channel
L798[16:03:40] <Michiyo> ._.
L799[16:03:48] <payonel>
s/AmandaC/payonel/
L800[16:03:55] *
Michiyo wonders if MichiBot is blind
L801[16:04:02] <Michiyo> ^listperms
L802[16:04:03] <payonel>
s/AmandaC/payonel/
L803[16:04:07] <Michiyo> %listperms
L804[16:04:07] <MichiBot>
gamax92|Moderator, Kodos|Moderator, sugoi|Moderator
L805[16:04:11] *
payonel glares at MichiBot
L806[16:04:15] *
Michiyo points out that Moderator > Trusted
L807[16:04:18] <payonel> ah
L808[16:04:19] <payonel> haha
L809[16:04:21] *
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Michiyo points out that the command was prefixed with % and
therefor isn't added to the SED map
L811[16:04:54] *
payonel enjoys powerpoint lectures
L812[16:04:57] <AmandaC> MichiBot:
rude.
L813[16:05:06] <Michiyo> %addperm Trusted
AmandaC
L814[16:05:06] <MichiBot> Michiyo: User is
not in this channel
L815[16:05:06] <AmandaC> I'm right
here.
L816[16:05:10] <Michiyo> Oh derp
L817[16:05:17] <Michiyo> %addperm AmandaC
Trusted
L818[16:05:19] <Michiyo> fml.
L819[16:05:29] <AmandaC> hahahahaha
L820[16:05:32] <Michiyo> I quit.
L821[16:05:41] <Michiyo>
OIUH:KGH:SKF()*&%()W*#5
L822[16:05:52] <Michiyo> This worked fine
IN THE TEST CHANNEL YOU ASSHAT OF A BOT.
L823[16:06:07] <Michiyo> %addperm AmandaC
Trusted
L824[16:06:07] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
true
L825[16:06:14] <Michiyo> %listperms
L826[16:06:15] <MichiBot>
gamax92|Moderator, Kodos|Moderator, sugoi|Moderator,
AmandaC|Trusted
L827[16:06:22] <AmandaC> MichiBot agrees,
it DID work fine in the test channel
L828[16:06:26] <Michiyo> There, now you
have access to addtopic
L829[16:06:27] <AmandaC> :P
L830[16:06:29] <AmandaC> Danke. :3
L831[16:07:37] <payonel> badcode9: that
sucks though, it's not supposed to fail :)
L832[16:08:26] <Forecaster>
Michiyo you should probably change the overload for the command
constructor to use the new null level instead of actual null
<Forecaster>
Michiyo you should probably change the overload for the command
constructor to use the new null level instead of actual nullL833[16:08:39] <Michiyo> Meh, one
year.
L834[16:08:40] <Forecaster>
the overload that omits the permission parameter
<Forecaster>
the overload that omits the permission parameterL835[16:08:42] <AmandaC> %addtopic Michiyo
has been trying to add a new feature, but [randomitem]'s demonic
posession has been preventing me from agreeing.
L836[16:08:44] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
Ok
L837[16:08:45] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
true
L838[16:08:59] <Michiyo> holy shit
MichiBot delayed response much
L839[16:09:04] <Michiyo> glad I added the
replace into..
L840[16:10:26] <Forecaster>
actually using null will probably work fine
<Forecaster>
actually using null will probably work fineL841[16:10:35] <Forecaster>
it'll just be whatever the lowest level is
<Forecaster>
it'll just be whatever the lowest level isL842[16:11:07] <ben_mkiv> AmandaC, you
know something about of how oc handles components like
upgrades?!
L843[16:11:09] <AmandaC> indeed, that's
the entire synopsis of the bug that gave everyone MOD, @Forecaster.
:P
L844[16:11:27] <Forecaster>
yes I know
<Forecaster>
yes I knowL845[16:11:28] <ben_mkiv> as i cant create
a environment from them in java i wonder how to connect them to my
internal node network
L846[16:11:30] <AmandaC> ben_mkiv: not
really. I've made a completely silly and pointless component, but
nothing on the host side.
L847[16:11:33] <Forecaster>
we solved that at the same time
<Forecaster>
we solved that at the same timeL848[16:11:36] <ben_mkiv> ;(
L849[16:11:37] <badcode9> payonel: yea,
i'm just bummed about losing all my work. I've loved this mod for
months now, but I've just put in 4 straight days of work to this
one world
L850[16:11:51] <Forecaster>
but I was talking specifically about the overload
<Forecaster>
but I was talking specifically about the overloadL851[16:11:58] <ben_mkiv> what
component?
L852[16:11:59] <ben_mkiv> :D
L853[16:12:18] <badcode9> I'm trying to
play save files heart surgeon right now and transplant the seed
(idk what file) and region data
L854[16:12:42] <AmandaC> I just realised I
should have used a ZWS for that topic I just added
L855[16:12:49] <Forecaster>
but I guess it should use the actual permission for
consistancy
<Forecaster>
but I guess it should use the actual permission for
consistancyL856[16:12:50] <payonel> the machines are
shutting off, but are you losing data?
L857[16:13:07] <payonel> badcode9: you
should clear your logs, repro the bug, and check the logs
L858[16:13:42] <badcode9> payonel: no,
thankfully. but i'm getting into networking finally and it's
blocking me
L859[16:13:54] <badcode9> I'll do that rn,
thanks for the suggestion
L860[16:14:31] <payonel> badcode9: chunk
loaders?
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L862[16:14:43] <payonel> as in, you could
use those
L863[16:14:49] <payonel> though, it's
sp
L864[16:14:52] <payonel> so it'll
unload
L865[16:14:53] <payonel> :(
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L868[16:15:08] <AmandaC> Michiyo: can you
%deltopic 4 and I'll re-add with a ZWS to prevent pinging hyou too
much?
L869[16:15:41] <Forecaster>
aw I was just making that change xD
<Forecaster>
aw I was just making that change xDL870[16:16:02] <AmandaC> ah, heh
L871[16:16:27] <Forecaster>
not that, what Michiyo just committed to the bot :P
<Forecaster>
not that, what Michiyo just committed to the bot :PL872[16:16:53] <AmandaC> %addtopic I hear
that Inari has been deep in thought, can you make [randomitem] into
something lewd?
L873[16:16:54] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
Ok
L874[16:17:05] <Forecaster>
doing the topic thing would require me to get on IRC and I'm about
to head off to bed
<Forecaster>
doing the topic thing would require me to get on IRC and I'm about
to head off to bedL875[16:17:12] <AmandaC> haha, fair
enough
L876[16:17:20] <AmandaC> It seems I have
access to add, but not del
L877[16:17:23] <AmandaC> which is fair
enough
L878[16:17:26] <AmandaC> ( I tried in PM
)
L879[16:17:46] <badcode9> payonel: chunk
loaders don't work in sp?
L880[16:18:06] <Forecaster>
del is MOD
<Forecaster>
del is MODL881[16:18:37] <payonel> badcode9: in sp
the world unloads when you leave it
L882[16:19:16] <badcode9> ah i see
L883[16:19:46] <AmandaC> The chunks should
still stay in memory as long as you don't hop dimensions,though, I
think.
L884[16:21:50] <badcode9> true, but they'd
unload when i reload the save. so it'd be a partial work
around
L885[16:22:34] <badcode9> still
experimenting with file manipulation rn. so far moving region files
worked, but I need my seed to stay consistent to call it a total
success
L886[16:22:42] <payonel> what is rn? right
now?
L887[16:22:54] <badcode9> yea,
sorry.
L888[16:23:01] <payonel> badcode9: wait,
are you saying this problem only occurs in a specific
region?!
L889[16:23:09] <badcode9> no
L890[16:23:19] <payonel> then why are you
trying to move region files around?
L891[16:23:36] <badcode9> I created a new
save, then moved region files from the broken save, into the new
one.
L892[16:23:48] <payonel> ah
L893[16:23:48] <payonel> i see
L894[16:23:54] <Michiyo> %deltopic 4
L895[16:23:56] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
Ok
L896[16:24:01] <Michiyo> k AmandaC
L897[16:24:31] <AmandaC> %addtopic Michiyo
has been trying to add a new feature, but [randomitem]'s demonic
posession has been preventing me from agreeing.
L898[16:24:31] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
Ok
L899[16:24:33] <Michiyo> yeah.. I could
make del trusted.. I didn't think to
L900[16:26:06] <AmandaC> The fun part of
manually copy-pasting a ZWS: You have no idea if it pasted
right
L901[16:26:50] <Michiyo> lol
L902[16:27:03] <Michiyo> well, it didn't
ping me so great news!
L903[16:27:13] <AmandaC> and Inari's not
commented, so I assume it pasted fine for the one I added of her,
too
L904[16:28:03] <AmandaC> %newtopic
L905[16:28:03] <MichiBot> AmandaC: #5 I
hear that Inari has been deep in thought, can you make gamax92's
button into something lewd?
L906[16:28:11] <gamax92> excuse me
what
L907[16:28:12] <Forecaster>
Ohmy
<Forecaster>
OhmyL908[16:28:15] <AmandaC> LOL
L909[16:28:46] <Michiyo>
Waaaaaaaaaaat
L910[16:29:01] <payonel> WIN
L911[16:29:04] <payonel> nice
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L913[16:29:21] <payonel> turtle couldn't
take it
L914[16:29:27] <badcode9> payonel: i found
this interesting. when i moved just the region files from the
broken save, to the new working one. the computers stayed on. when
I move the level.dat file from the broken one to the new one, the
comptuers started turning off again.
L915[16:29:29] <AmandaC> That's pretty
much the exact kind of funny situation that I had in mind when
requesting the command. :P
L916[16:29:32] <Michiyo> Welp, THAT right
there was worth it, I'm glad I added the command now.
L917[16:29:46] <badcode9> payonel: I have
no idea what it means, except that I'm cutting my losses
L918[16:29:48] <Forecaster>
I'm very glad I added the inventory
<Forecaster>
I'm very glad I added the inventoryL919[16:29:50] <Michiyo> Thank you for the
request lol
L920[16:30:03] <badcode9> thank you for
all your help though. i really appreciate it
L921[16:30:04] <payonel> badcode9: ok ok
... and what of the logs?
L922[16:30:12] <badcode9> Oh yes. One
sec
L923[16:30:14] <payonel> badcode9: well
yeah! but i still am curious why
L924[16:30:24] <vifino> %newtopic
L925[16:30:24] <MichiBot> vifino: #3 Hey,
how many AshIndigo do you think I can juggle at once?
L926[16:30:39] <vifino> Hmm. .5?
L927[16:30:46] <badcode9> payonel: cool me
too :) didn't want to bug you though if you were busy. I'm checking
the logs nowl
L928[16:30:49] <badcode9> *now
L929[16:30:51] <Forecaster>
Probably 1
<Forecaster>
Probably 1L930[16:31:15] <Forecaster>
Since you can actually only juggle one item from the inventory
once
<Forecaster>
Since you can actually only juggle one item from the inventory
onceL931[16:31:31] <vifino> pfft.
L932[16:31:52] <AmandaC> Yeah, maybe not
the strongest topic.
L933[16:32:10] <Forecaster>
And it's not possible to add multiple items with the same name
:P
<Forecaster>
And it's not possible to add multiple items with the same name
:PL934[16:32:19] <AmandaC> Sure it is!
L935[16:32:35] <AmandaC> It just causes a
rupture in the space-time continum causing goo to be created
instead.
L936[16:33:12] <Forecaster>
In a way that both items remain, then :P
<Forecaster>
In a way that both items remain, then :PL937[16:33:17] <AmandaC> :P
L938[16:33:46] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot a
botsnack
L939[16:33:47] *
MichiBot accepts the botsnack and adds it to her
inventory
L940[16:34:45] *
Michiyo grumbles
L941[16:35:11] <AmandaC> what's up?
L942[16:35:20] <AmandaC> %inv list
L943[16:35:20] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Here's
my inventory: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/inventory
L944[16:35:35] <Forecaster>
%give MichBot a Michiyosnack
<Forecaster>
%give MichBot a MichiyosnackL945[16:35:35] *
MichiBot searches through her inventory for a bit. "I couldn't
find anything..."
L946[16:35:41] <Michiyo> Once long ago
NetSplitDetect worked... I forget *how* I wrote it, I didn't commit
it, and then one day I git reset --hard HEAD
L947[16:35:42] <Forecaster>
Dammit
<Forecaster>
DammitL948[16:35:43] <Michiyo> and it was
gone.
L949[16:36:18] <AmandaC> ah
L950[16:36:34] <Michiyo> and every time I
scroll by it's .java file I want to kick myself.
L951[16:36:51] <Michiyo> s/it's/its/
L952[16:36:51] <MichiBot> <Michiyo>
and every time I scroll by its .java file I want to kick
myself.
L953[16:37:57] <Michiyo>
a69w0845727416
L954[16:38:00] <Michiyo> ._.
L955[16:38:15] <Michiyo> Ah.. so the
barcode scanner DID connect.
L956[16:38:16] <Michiyo> k.
L957[16:38:20] <AmandaC> haha
L958[16:38:39] <AmandaC> I was wondering
if that was a password or what
L959[16:39:01] <Michiyo> that was the S/N
of the power board from a TV I fixed a few months back
L960[16:39:10] <AmandaC> ah
L961[16:39:47] <badcode9> payonel: this is
my first time viewing the logs, but i may have found something.. my
process was as follows: 1. stopped the game and deleted all log
files 2. started the game and and executed the script test from
earlier
L962[16:40:15] <Michiyo> I got a BT
barcode scanner for work today so I don't have to lug 50+lb boxes
all the way to my UPS computer to scan them in
L963[16:40:15] <badcode9> payonel: i
checked latest.log, and i see only one warning (no errors). here it
is: [14:34:08] [main/WARN]: Skipping bad option: lastServer:
L964[16:40:49] <Michiyo> That looks like a
launch argument your launcher is sending to the game
L965[16:41:16] <Michiyo> So, shouldn't
really matter for this... or anything for that matter
L966[16:41:36] <payonel> yeah, we're
hoping for a log specifically from OpenComputers
L967[16:42:07] <payonel> badcode9: we dont
need to run any scripts just observe the bug repro
L968[16:42:12] <badcode9> would that be in
either, "fml-client-latest.log" or
"fml-junk-earlystartup.log"?
L969[16:42:13] <payonel> and nothing was
logged?
L970[16:42:16] <badcode9> oh okay
L971[16:42:22] <badcode9> nothing in
latest.log
L972[16:42:25] <payonel> it'd be in
fml-client-latest.log
L973[16:43:15] <badcode9> k, about 1k
lines to check. brb
L974[16:43:33] <AmandaC> you can also just
upload the log to pastebin.com or for us to take a look
L975[16:43:43] <AmandaC> it's very
unlikely to have anything resembling PII
L976[16:44:00] <Inari> Lewd
L977[16:44:20] <badcode9> if you're
willing, i absolutely will :)
L978[16:44:53] <AmandaC> logs are nice in
that they tend to have the same errors, so it's pretty simple for
someone who knows what they're doing to just ctrl-f and look
L979[16:45:28] <payonel> Inari: make the
logs lewd
L980[16:45:55] <Inari> Whats a PII
L981[16:46:03] <AmandaC> Personally
Identifiable Information
L982[16:46:12] <badcode9> https://pastebin.com/7GWK0Fwi
L983[16:46:34] <Inari> Well
L984[16:46:37] <Inari> It does contain
some PII
L985[16:46:38] <Inari> :p
L986[16:47:30] <AmandaC> Inari: ?
L987[16:47:48] <AmandaC> oh, windows
username
L988[16:48:22] <Inari> Yeah
L989[16:48:31] <payonel> badcode9: and
that log was taken when the bug repro'd?
L990[16:48:36] <payonel> bc i dont see any
alarms
L991[16:48:37] <badcode9> it's np
L992[16:48:42] <badcode9> payonel:
yes
L993[16:48:59] <payonel> :(
L994[16:49:19] <payonel> well feel free to
send any/all you want in attachments to payonel at hotmail dot
com
L995[16:49:31] <payonel> i dont know when
i'll have time to debug it, but, it's interesting to me
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L997[16:52:56] *
Michiyo signs payonel up for catfacts
L998[16:53:04] *
Michiyo and the MichiBot mailing list
L999[16:53:19] <payonel> Michiyo: haha,
thanks
L1000[16:53:26] <badcode9> payonel: will
do, i really appreciate your help on this as well as everyone's
work on this mod. its amazing fun :)
L1001[16:53:33] <payonel> :) cool
L1002[16:53:42] <payonel> Michiyo:
besides, my email is on my git commits
L1003[16:53:50] <payonel> i get sooooooo
much spam on that email
L1004[16:54:29] <Michiyo> lol
L1005[16:54:32] <Michiyo> I hear
ya.
L1006[17:01:38] <AmandaC> I have no idea
how much spam I get to my git address.
L1007[17:01:43] *
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L1008[17:02:06] <AmandaC> most of it's
github notifications, looks like
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L1017[17:58:29] <AmandaC> %newtopic
L1018[17:58:29] <MichiBot> AmandaC: #5 I
hear that Inari has been deep in thought, can you make no tea into
something lewd?
L1019[18:03:52] <Inari> %newtopic
L1020[18:03:52] <MichiBot> Inari: #5 I
hear that Inari has been deep in thought, can you make AshIndigo
into something lewd?
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L1031[18:46:50] <AmandaC> %addtopic
Here's a chilling thought: [randomitem] has killed more people than
The Common Cold, Stubbing your toe, and that weird itchy feeling
when you have to sneeze combined!
L1032[18:46:51] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
Ok
L1033[18:56:29] <Mimiru> [drama] can also
be used
L1034[18:56:43] <Mimiru> which will use
the drama gen
L1035[18:56:46] <Mimiru> %drama
L1036[18:56:47] <MichiBot> Mimiru: GitHub
urges everyone to stop using Too Many Items
L1037[19:06:23] <gamax92> [reddit]
L1038[19:06:47] <AmandaC> Mimiru: yeah,
just having some issues thinking of more templates involving it, vs
items
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L1041[19:13:24] <Temia> %choose Hilda or
Y'shtola or Merlwyb
L1042[19:13:24] <MichiBot> Temia:
Merlwyb
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L1064[21:27:56] <payonel> %tell Izaya
ocvm update: logs moved to vm dir
L1065[21:27:56] <MichiBot> payonel: Izaya
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L1066[21:28:04] <payonel> %tell S3 ocvm
update: logs moved to vm dir
L1067[21:28:04] <MichiBot> payonel: S3
will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L1070[21:33:33] <Izaya> noted
L1071[22:14:40] <S3> hm
L1072[22:15:02] <S3> payonel: it was
blizarding!
L1073[22:15:06] <S3> and I was
driving
L1074[22:28:57] <payonel> S3:
where?
L1075[22:28:59] <payonel> main?
L1076[22:29:17] <S3> Maine, yes.
L1077[22:29:25] <S3> NOAA said light
snow
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L1079[22:29:34] <S3> so I start driving
from my friends place halfway down the state right
L1080[22:29:39] <S3> middle of nowhere in
the woods
L1081[22:29:46] <S3> and it starts
PELTING blizzard style
L1082[22:29:58] <S3> was fun :D
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L1086[22:51:33] <Kodos>
Last load brought up from the old house. Now time to relax with
minecraft
<Kodos>
Last load brought up from the old house. Now time to relax with
minecraftL1087[23:29:57]
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L1089[23:59:33] <Izaya> another excellent
commentocracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkjMjal3Ug
L1090[23:59:34] <MichiBot> VR Is King,
Resident Evil Is For Cowards, Nintendo Will Be BROKEN!
(Commentocracy) | length: 9m | Likes: 6,140 Dislikes: 173 Views: 62,669 | by Jim
Sterling | Published On 16/11/2017