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L5[02:07:08] 
<Forecaster>
you could look at twillight forest's labyrinth generator
<Forecaster>
you could look at twillight forest's labyrinth generatorL6[02:17:05] <gamax92> There is construction
going on right now
L7[02:17:14] <gamax92> It's fucking
1am
L8[02:17:25] <gamax92> :|
L9[02:17:56] <Forecaster>
always fun
<Forecaster>
always funL10[02:18:07] <gamax92> I wish to sleep but
VRRRRRRRRR KLUNK VRRRRR
L11[02:18:34] <Forecaster>
go out and throw cats at them
<Forecaster>
go out and throw cats at themL12[02:18:43] <gamax92> No cats here
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L19[04:06:41] <Kodos>
Noise ordinance?
<Kodos>
Noise ordinance?L20[04:13:59] <Forecaster>
nordinance
<Forecaster>
nordinanceL21[04:58:35] <Saphire> ...what the
fuck?
L22[04:58:53] <Saphire> USA Philips has no
vacuum cleaners?
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L25[06:24:59] *
Izaya was considering having fun with a debug card to generate
mazes
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L28[06:48:40] <hraponssi>
am i doing something wrong? i cant make my program delete a file.
Im using filesystem.remove("testfile") but testfile
doesnt get removed and there are no errors
<hraponssi>
am i doing something wrong? i cant make my program delete a file.
Im using filesystem.remove("testfile") but testfile
doesnt get removed and there are no errorsL29[06:50:25] <Forecaster>
what does it return?
<Forecaster>
what does it return?L30[06:52:32] ⇨
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L31[06:52:32] <WatchtowerOrator> Time for a
new episode from Forecaster! You're welcome!
L32[06:52:32] <WatchtowerOrator> https://youtu.be/vhMD7ZNPza4 - RailcraftLP [Episode
47] - Math or math
L33[06:52:32] <WatchtowerOrator> Tags on
this video: programming,lua,code,opencomputers,reactor,tablet
L34[06:52:33] <MichiBot> RailcraftLP-
[Episode 47] - Math or math | length: 33m 56s | Likes:
0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 0 | by Forecaster |
Published On 7/10/2017
L36[06:53:43] <Forecaster>
you have to print it...
<Forecaster>
you have to print it...L37[06:54:17] <hraponssi>
i HAVE to print it? i thought i could just use it on its own to
delete a file
<hraponssi>
i HAVE to print it? i thought i could just use it on its own to
delete a fileL38[06:54:31] <Forecaster>
to see what it returns...
<Forecaster>
to see what it returns...L39[06:54:45] <hraponssi>
returns false
<hraponssi>
returns falseL40[06:55:05] <Forecaster>
then there's an error
<Forecaster>
then there's an errorL41[06:55:27] <hraponssi>
doesnt output in the console
<hraponssi>
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L43[06:56:54] <Forecaster>
it's probably because you're not using an absolute path
<Forecaster>
it's probably because you're not using an absolute pathL44[06:57:07] <Forecaster>
try `/home/testfile`
<Forecaster>
try `/home/testfile`L45[06:58:29] <hraponssi>
ive tried it, same result
<hraponssi>
ive tried it, same resultL46[06:58:58] <hraponssi>
even if i move both the testfile and deletor into the root folder
it returns false
<hraponssi>
even if i move both the testfile and deletor into the root folder
it returns falseL47[07:03:29] <Vexatos> Forecaster using
global function definitions D:
L48[07:03:32] <Vexatos>
eeeeeeeeeeevil
L49[07:08:06] <Forecaster>
?
<Forecaster>
?L50[07:08:15] <Forecaster>
oh right
<Forecaster>
oh rightL51[07:08:19] <Vexatos> you do function
instead of local function D:
L52[07:08:19] <Forecaster>
eh
<Forecaster>
ehL53[07:09:01] <Forecaster>
I forgot that made a difference
<Forecaster>
I forgot that made a differenceL54[07:10:46] <hraponssi>
so anyone got an idea for how i can delete a file with my
program?
<hraponssi>
so anyone got an idea for how i can delete a file with my
program?L55[07:12:04] <Forecaster>
the docs says it should return nil and an error message if it can't
delete the file
<Forecaster>
the docs says it should return nil and an error message if it can't
delete the fileL56[07:12:09] <Forecaster>
it doesn't say anything about false
<Forecaster>
it doesn't say anything about falseL57[07:12:44] <hraponssi>
interesting
<hraponssi>
interestingL58[07:13:03] <Forecaster>
the wiki may not be up-to-date though
<Forecaster>
the wiki may not be up-to-date thoughL60[07:13:30] <Forecaster>
then `print(result, msg)`
<Forecaster>
then `print(result, msg)`L61[07:13:34] <hraponssi>
ok
<hraponssi>
okL62[07:15:55] <hraponssi>
"string excpected, got nil"
<hraponssi>
"string excpected, got nil"L63[07:16:08] <hraponssi>
error on the print line
<hraponssi>
error on the print lineL64[07:16:27] <hraponssi>
wait no the local result, msg = fs.remove(etc) line
<hraponssi>
wait no the local result, msg = fs.remove(etc) lineL65[07:17:01] <Forecaster>
....
<Forecaster>
....L66[07:17:12] <Forecaster>
you have to replace "etc" with your path
obviously...
<Forecaster>
you have to replace "etc" with your path
obviously...L67[07:17:20] <hraponssi>
i did
<hraponssi>
i didL68[07:17:25] <hraponssi>
i just copied that from your message
<hraponssi>
i just copied that from your messageL69[07:17:56] <hraponssi>
nvm, i didnt put quotation marks ? now it prints "false
nil"
<hraponssi>
nvm, i didnt put quotation marks ? now it prints "false
nil"L70[07:19:23] <Forecaster>
okay
<Forecaster>
okayL71[07:19:33] <Forecaster>
well I dunno
<Forecaster>
well I dunnoL72[07:19:41] <Forecaster>
may want to poke payonel?
<Forecaster>
may want to poke payonel?L73[07:20:02] <hraponssi>
maybe
<hraponssi>
maybeL74[07:20:06] <Forecaster>
well, I just did it for you
<Forecaster>
well, I just did it for youL75[07:20:19] <Forecaster>
but wait around or check back later for his reply
<Forecaster>
but wait around or check back later for his replyL76[07:20:31] <hraponssi>
alright, thanks for the help ?
<hraponssi>
alright, thanks for the help ?L77[07:20:31] <Forecaster>
he'll probably be of more help than me :P
<Forecaster>
he'll probably be of more help than me :PL78[07:21:08] <Saphire> https://xkcd.com/686/ hm
L79[07:21:08] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name:
Admin Mourning Posted on: 1/8/2010
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L82[07:43:30] <ben_mkiv> how would i
include a library file which is located in the work directory
instead of /lib?
L83[07:46:34] <Vexatos>
require("/my/working/directory/file.lua")?
L84[07:54:01] <ben_mkiv> thank you
L85[07:56:26] <Izaya> does the library load
path include .?
L86[07:57:34] <ben_mkiv> cant test right
now, thats why i've asked
L87[07:57:54] <ben_mkiv> but iirc it
doesnt, allways had to put them in /lib
L88[07:58:21] <ben_mkiv> but if absolute
pathes work, i could put them to /usr/lib/myname for example
L89[07:58:35] <Izaya> huh
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L91[08:19:37] <Pirate> how
do i fix unrecoverable error too long without yielding?
<Pirate> how
do i fix unrecoverable error too long without yielding?L92[08:19:54] <ben_mkiv> add sleep(0)
somewhere in your loop
L93[08:20:02] <Pirate>
how
<Pirate>
howL94[08:20:13] <Pirate> how
do i add sleep somewhere in openos loop?
<Pirate> how
do i add sleep somewhere in openos loop?L95[08:20:28] <ben_mkiv> it shows you which
file fails
L96[08:20:34] <ben_mkiv> is it
serializing?
L97[08:20:54] <Pirate> did
u know that opencomputers ahve stuff like blue sceen of death
<Pirate> did
u know that opencomputers ahve stuff like blue sceen of deathL98[08:21:00] <Pirate>
because thats the issue i am having
<Pirate>
because thats the issue i am havingL99[08:21:15] <ben_mkiv> yes, then try
latest openos first
L100[08:21:22] <Pirate>
tried
<Pirate>
triedL101[08:21:33] <Pirate> got
2 computers
<Pirate> got
2 computersL102[08:21:36] <Pirate>
both do the same thing
<Pirate>
both do the same thingL103[08:21:53] <ben_mkiv> got no idea
then
L104[08:21:56] <Temia> Woah what.
L105[08:22:14] <Temia> https://www.instagram.com/p/BZ7Km6uBy9y/ Radioshack
is now owned by Adafruit, I did not see this coming
L106[08:22:22] <Izaya> what.
L107[08:22:43] <Temia> DIY electronics is
fucking back, baby
L108[08:22:51] <Izaya> man
L109[08:22:51] <Mimiru> o_O
L110[08:22:56] <Izaya> for once a reason
to be in the US
L111[08:22:58] <ben_mkiv> they got prices
like a pharmacy
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L114[08:30:09] <Izaya> hm
L115[08:30:22] <Izaya> should the shell
prefix be https://i.imgur.com/7zhmk32.png or https://i.imgur.com/4As0xwA.png ?
L116[08:38:31] <stephan48> mh. it appears
that i get duplicated messages when using a wireless network card
between a server(has one) and a robot(also has one). the distance
between both is at most 12 blocks. it moves between some waypoints
and places/breaks gas tanks
L117[08:38:57] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/v9zhGxY.png instructions
unclear, implemented both options
L118[08:39:56] <stephan48> is this a known
problem? can i somehow prevent this? currently i am doing a sleep
in my robot code before i send the reply back to the server(it
waits for an ack before instructing the robot to do another
thing)
L119[08:56:02] <ben_mkiv> so i'm trying to
register a lootdisk in my mod...
L120[08:56:14] <ben_mkiv> https://pastebin.com/2M8nuxTk
L121[08:56:38] <ben_mkiv> but for #34 it
complains about incompatible types: li.cil.oc.api.fs.FileSystem
cannot be converted to li.cil.oc.api.FileSystem
L122[08:57:31] <ben_mkiv> did i miss
something? its almost the same code as in computronics https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/blob/1.12/src/main/java/pl/asie/computronics/oc/IntegrationOpenComputers.java#L123
L123[09:01:05] *
Vexatos sighs
L124[09:01:12] <Vexatos> *ahem*
L125[09:01:12] <Vexatos> R
L126[09:01:13] <Vexatos> T
L127[09:01:13] <Vexatos> F
L128[09:01:14] <Vexatos> M
L129[09:01:17] <Vexatos> tyvm
L130[09:01:39] <Vexatos> ben_mkiv, Javadoc
isn't there for aesthetics, you know
L131[09:02:15] <Vexatos> And quickly spot
the difference
L132[09:02:20] <Vexatos> between your
implementation and mine
L133[09:03:14] <Vexatos> ben_mkiv, hint:
You imported the wrong class >_>
L134[09:03:29] <Vexatos> which is
literally what that error tells you :I
L135[09:03:40] <ben_mkiv> well,
thanks
L136[09:04:03] <Vexatos> if you just
checked "filesystem" using F3 or so you'd have noticed
either way
L137[09:04:50] <ben_mkiv> well, didn't
copy the import, but let idea handle it... thats my lesson on
automation today :P
L138[09:05:20] <ben_mkiv> that you even
noticed without me showing the import in my code xD
L139[09:05:28] <ben_mkiv> good job
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L141[09:06:39] <Vexatos> ben_mkiv, because
your compile error is literally a wrong import error
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L143[09:08:26] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/01tiT6E.png login manager
\o/
L144[09:16:38] <S3> !!!
L145[09:16:50] <S3> So my wife decided to
move my computer without asking right?
L146[09:17:16] <S3> she broke the damn
video connector on it, and now I have it apart, with the main board
out and can't find my damn soldering iron
L147[09:17:47] <S3> It's really sad, this
computer is almost 40 years old
L148[09:18:04] <Izaya> is that the
CoCo?
L149[09:21:16] <S3> coco 2
L150[09:21:17] <S3> yes
L151[09:21:35] <S3> the only real sucky
thing about it is the serial port
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L153[09:31:08] <Loklolk> Hi
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L155[09:31:46] <Izaya> 1 minute 1
second
L156[09:34:24] <AmandaC> %bye!
L157[09:34:25] <MichiBot> Dont let the
door hit you on the way out!
L158[10:14:28] <gamax92> Izaya: how well
did debug mazes go?
L159[10:14:54] <Izaya> never got around to
it
L160[10:20:25] <gamax92> Radioshack is
like flipping a coin
L161[10:20:41] <gamax92> Heads: They don't
have it, Tails: Way too expensive, Side: I need this part now
L162[10:48:55] <Izaya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRIPENBo9eQ
L163[10:48:55] <MichiBot> The
Floppotron: Sweet Home Alabama | length: 2m 8s | Likes:
705 Dislikes: 6 Views: 5,916 | by Paweł
Zadrożniak | Published On 7/10/2017
L164[10:55:03] <Vexatos> gamax92, is
radioshack just a general electronics store?
L165[10:58:07] <AmandaC> ~w thread
L166[10:58:07] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:thread
L167[11:01:34] <gamax92> Vexatos:
uhh
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L170[11:05:51] <Inari> Lizzyl ikes the
deadly foxgirl
L171[11:06:02] <Skye> Inari, wha?
L172[11:06:51] <Inari> https://twitter.com/catgirls_bot/status/916696601867046912
L173[11:06:51] <MichiBot> Sat Oct 07
11:07:55 CDT 2017 @catgirls_bot: https://t.co/cxIM1gSi6R https://t.co/NgUsECBpgT
L174[11:07:05] <Skye> Inari, that's a wolf
girl
L175[11:07:35] <Inari> Ah
L176[11:07:37] <Inari> Looks foxy to
me
L177[11:07:37] <Inari> :P
L178[11:10:51] <AmandaC> Woo, thanks to
payonel's new thread thing, I can avoid locking up my base server's
terminal with RPC calls! (* ASsuming the RPC Call code yields at
some point)
L179[11:13:24] <Inari> https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a4G2mmy_460sv.mp4
L180[11:14:19] <Temia> That's a
wuff.
L181[11:15:37] <Inari> Well then wolfgirls
are cuter tahn I thought
L182[11:15:37] <Inari> :P
L183[11:15:42] <Inari> %rub Temia
L184[11:15:45] <Inari> :<
L185[11:15:51] *
Temia mu?
L186[11:16:02] <Inari> %pet Temia
L187[11:16:02] *
MichiBot pets Temia with lUA. Temia recovers 4 health!
L188[11:16:05] <Inari> Then lets use that
instead
L189[11:16:09] <Inari> Whats IUA
L190[11:16:14] <Inari> Oh
L191[11:16:15] <gamax92> lowercase L
L192[11:16:21] <Inari> Yeah, I just
realized that xD
L193[11:16:30] <gamax92> get a font that
distinguishes the two you pleb
L194[11:16:36] <Inari> :p
L195[11:16:43] <Inari> I don't even know
what font this is
L196[11:16:53] <gamax92> DejaVu Sans
L197[11:16:54] <Inari> lI
L198[11:17:00] <Inari> it does look
slightly diferent
L199[11:17:05] <Inari> but not enough that
I could really tell given only one
L200[11:17:42] <gamax92> l usaIIy use
DejaVu Sans Mono for my lRC font
L201[11:18:02] <Inari> Trebuchet MS is
what I have, probbaly
L202[11:18:12] <Inari> I don'tl ike
monospaced for irc
L203[11:18:43] <Inari> Lets try Dejavu
Sans
L204[11:19:54] *
Inari sighs
L205[11:20:04] <Inari> I wish there was a
proper English PSO2 version
L206[11:20:13] <gamax92> (it does not have
different characters for l and I anyway)
L207[11:20:24] <Inari> Then whats the
point
L208[11:20:25] <Inari> %flip
L209[11:20:26] <MichiBot> Inari:
(╯°□°）╯┻━┻
L210[11:20:38] <gamax92> monospace
did
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L213[11:22:03] <gamax92> doesn't Trebuchet
MS have a serif on the lowercase L?
L214[11:22:30] <Inari> As I said, it looks
slightly different, but not so much that I'd really reconize it
:P
L215[11:23:21] <gamax92> %flip Inari
L216[11:23:21] <MichiBot> gamax92:
(╯°□°）╯ıɹɐuI
L218[11:23:43] <gamax92> Nep
L219[11:24:01] <Inari> Indeed
L220[11:24:04] <gamax92> I can *barely*
read that
L221[11:24:05] <Inari> I need to find more
background pics
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L224[11:40:40] <Inari> %attack
L225[11:40:40] <MichiBot> Valid
"attacks": stab, hit, shiv, strike, slap, poke,
prod
L226[11:40:48] <Inari> I still don't see
why we can't have custom attacks :P
L227[11:40:56] <Inari> %heal
L228[11:41:48] <Skye> %prod Inari
L229[11:41:48] *
MichiBot prods Inari with gel bikini doing [7] damage
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L231[11:43:42] <Skye> Inari, gamax92: for
fonts that are painful to read, how about whatever they use in
Neptunia itself. :P It's like solid blocks with think lines and it
takes a minute for you to realise what a letter is.
L232[11:43:54] <Skye> as in, for the
background text on walls and stuff
L233[11:44:06] <Inari> I think you could
get used to it
L235[11:47:04] <Inari> EAsy enough
L236[11:47:05] <gamax92> Easy
L237[11:47:52] <Inari> welcome to a
station / when troubled please tell each station employee / at a
station since it is giving up shaking please give me/us cooperation
/ the time of being torubled a route map please
L238[11:47:53] <Inari> Or so
L239[11:48:09] <Skye> ...
L240[11:48:14] <Inari> Not that it seems
to make very much sense gramattically
L241[11:48:21] <Skye> it's a Japanese
game
L242[11:48:24] <Skye> what do you
expect
L243[11:48:32] <gamax92> yeah, I think it
was just the engrish that tripped me up more than the font
L244[11:48:42] <Skye> for me the font
trips me up...
L245[11:48:45] <Inari> Well the lines that
had the bright lines behidn them
L246[11:48:48] <Inari> Were a bit
annoying
L247[11:48:52] <Skye> there's another
place where the font is worse
L248[11:49:01] <Skye> but I cba to boot up
the game
L249[11:49:41] <gamax92> Inari:
"shaking" -> "smoking"
L250[11:49:47] <Inari> Ah
L251[11:49:47] <Inari> :p
L252[11:49:48] <gamax92> and it's
"me" not "us"
L253[11:49:54] <S3> EVERYTHING
WORKS!
L254[11:50:04] <Skye> it's like a mangled
form of standard station announcements
L255[11:50:05] <gamax92> .!kick S3
L256[11:50:06] <Inari> %stab whatever S3
got working
L257[11:50:15] *
MichiBot stabs whatever S3 got working with Feelings doing [9]
damage
L258[11:50:23] <gamax92> SlothBot
L259[11:50:27] <Inari> Very
L260[11:50:29] <S3> that's not nice
L261[11:50:31] <S3> this is vintage
L262[11:50:33] <gamax92> neither are
you
L263[11:50:36] <S3> my TRS-80 works
again
L264[11:50:47] <gamax92> S3: what
model
L265[11:50:48] <Inari> This is
sparta
L266[11:50:49] <S3> the RF modulator is a
little weak
L267[11:50:57] <S3> I'm having a lot of
horrizontal desync problems
L268[11:51:04] <Inari> Reminds me...
L269[11:51:16] <S3> but my black and whiet
crt tv has a fine tuning knob to finely adjust the freq
L270[11:51:19] <gamax92> S3: what
model
L271[11:51:20] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKwkjU0YWtA
L272[11:51:20] <MichiBot> THIS IS
JENGA!!! [Extended Sparta Remix] | length: 2m 11s |
Likes: 59 Dislikes: 2 Views: 6,498 | by Hueian47 |
Published On 17/4/2010
L273[11:51:23] <S3> so I can just turn
that a bit to fix it when it acts up
L274[11:51:29] <S3> the image is also a
little fuzzy
L275[11:51:56] <gamax92> S3
L276[11:52:19] <S3> whatchya need
L277[11:52:22] <S3> oh
L278[11:52:24] <S3> model 2
L279[11:52:26] <gamax92> eww
L280[11:52:36] <S3> I have never seen a
model 3 in person ever
L281[11:52:37] <Inari> Which reminds me of
(possible seizure warning) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULrxa1KVzZU
L282[11:52:37] <MichiBot> HEJ DÅ PAPPA
HA DET BRA! (Ft. Malvin Studios) | length: 10m 17s |
Likes: 18,003 Dislikes:
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Dunderpatrullen | Published On 9/6/2013
L283[11:52:46] <S3> gamax92: hey it has a
6809E with 64K of memory
L284[11:52:50] <S3> and extended color
basic
L285[11:52:55] <S3> the other one is the
same but just color basic
L286[11:53:16] <gamax92> though I don't
know whether 2 emits a ton of radio interference
L287[11:53:16] <S3> so here's my
idea
L288[11:53:35] <gamax92> cause it mentions
in relationship to III that I emits interference
L289[11:53:48] <S3> gamax92: hmm. the RF
modulators in these have always been fuzzy
L290[11:53:49] <S3> so it'
L291[11:53:54] <S3> its possible
L292[11:54:11] <S3> huh
L293[11:54:23] <gamax92> well just get an
AM radio and place it nearby the computer
L294[11:54:31] <gamax92> but not next to
cause magnets and such
L295[11:54:32] <Inari> I wonder if theres
German/English denpa music
L296[11:54:37] <gamax92> probably
L297[11:54:37] <S3> it may have been the
first one though? I heard the second one was a complete redo of the
1st SBC
L298[11:54:38] *
Inari pokes asie
L299[11:54:42] <Inari> Oh master of Denpa
music
L300[11:54:44] <Inari> Enlighten me
L301[11:54:45] <S3> because the first SBC
posed a lot of electrical problems
L302[11:54:53] <gamax92> Trash 80
L303[11:54:57] <S3> they also had two
types of model 2
L304[11:55:06] <S3> they had the one with
the 6558 or whatever it was
L305[11:55:07] <asie> Inari: Which
denpa?
L306[11:55:08] <S3> and the 6809
L307[11:55:17] <asie> The real denpa or
moe stuff?
L308[11:55:43] <Inari> I didn't even know
theres a difference :P Well moe would be nice, but sounds like that
would be rarer
L309[11:55:50] <S3> so I should try and
make a hex editor with this
L310[11:55:57] <Inari> See, thats why you
go to an expert
L311[11:55:58] <S3> for working with
memory
L312[11:56:02] <Inari> They know stuff you
don't even think fo
L313[11:56:09] <S3> easy in extended color
basic because I have HEX$
L314[11:56:28] <S3> my idea is to create a
very super simple forth in basic that does very little
L315[11:56:32] <S3> then create an
assembler in that
L316[11:56:39] <gamax92> ofc you would use
BASIC to make FORTH
L317[11:56:48] <S3> because it's easier to
write an assembler in forth than a recursive descent parser in
basic
L318[11:57:02] <S3> then I can write a
REAL forth using the assembly generated from the basic powered
forth
L319[11:57:24] <S3> gamax92: I couldn't
find an assembler for the casette
L320[11:57:25] <gamax92>
bootstrappin
L321[11:57:27] <S3> so I am limited in
options
L322[11:57:37] <S3> other method is to
POKE all the machine code (ew)
L323[11:58:10] <S3> also I realized this
basic has gosub
L324[11:58:13] <S3> but no named
subs
L325[11:58:21] <S3> you do gosub
line_number
L326[11:58:24] <S3> ...
L327[11:58:42] <S3> besides pushing a
return address on the stack I wonder how different it truly
is
L328[11:58:45] <S3> than a goto
L329[11:59:00] <S3> I wonder if it saves
register state on the stack too
L330[11:59:19] <S3> the 6809 has two
stacks
L331[11:59:19] <S3> :D
L332[11:59:35] <gamax92> CHAR_BIT !=
8
L333[12:01:05] <S3> I need to read more on
the 6809
L334[12:01:17] <S3> somebody told me it
handles 32 bit numbers on the 8 bit chip like a breeze
L335[12:06:12] <FLORANA>
O-O when did we get a transporter for OC?
<FLORANA>
O-O when did we get a transporter for OC?L336[12:09:43] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLjSZU4X4AAkS1n.jpg:large
L337[12:10:34] <gamax92> Inari: leaf
tail?
L338[12:10:54] <Inari> apparently
L339[12:11:08] <gamax92> I have zero idea
what she is supposed to be
L340[12:11:11] <Inari> I like the shape of
the colour palette
L341[12:14:30] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/HDSFL89.jpg fancy
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L343[12:31:02] <S3> I need to find where
that damn char map is
L344[12:31:12] <S3> the TRS-80 iirc
doesn't use ASCII not EBCDIC
L345[12:31:17] <S3> nor*
L346[12:31:20] <S3> it's some custom
one
L347[12:31:33] <S3> but it could be ebcdic
I'd have to find it..
L348[12:36:55] <S3> https://hastebin.com/ozimosaqiv.txt
L349[12:36:56] <S3> yep
L350[12:37:15] <S3> wdafuq
L351[12:37:21] <S3> there are character
codes for up and left
L352[12:37:25] <S3> but not down and
right
L353[12:37:42] <S3> kinda makes
sense
L354[12:37:59] <Izaya> the C= PET and
VIC-20 had only down and right keys
L355[13:17:46] <AmandaC> I wish minecraft
recognised my capslock-as-control as a control key instead of
voiding it.
L356[13:18:27] <Izaya> it doesn
L357[13:18:29] <Izaya> 't?
L358[13:18:31] <Izaya> huh
L359[13:18:33] <AmandaC> Not for me, at
least.
L360[13:18:44] <AmandaC> Might be
something fucky with XWayland tho
L361[13:18:45] <Izaya> can't remember last
I tried on loonix
L362[13:19:02] <Izaya> works fine on
Windows but considering a different keyboard layout is a totally
new driver...
L363[13:19:25] <AmandaC>
capslock-as-control on win can be done with a simple
regedit...
L364[13:19:35] <Izaya> what
L365[13:19:59] <AmandaC> There's a
registry key that configures the kernel to translate the codes
before passing them along
L366[13:20:16] <Izaya> Huh.
L367[13:20:26] <Skye> I do that. :P
L368[13:20:38] <Izaya> Well that's
something then
L369[13:47:21] <gamax92> AmandaC: you use
wayland?
L370[13:47:25] <gamax92> in this
year?
L371[13:47:30] <AmandaC> gamax92:
yeah
L372[13:47:43] <gamax92> :o
L373[13:47:54] <vifino> Sorry, AmandaC,
wayland is not cool anymore, all the cool kidz use Mir now.
L374[13:48:13] <vifino> Wayland is soooo
2016
L375[13:48:57] <Izaya> isn't mir uh
L376[13:48:58] <Izaya> dead?
L377[13:49:16] <vifino> Yeah,
mostly.
L378[13:49:24] <Izaya> oh
L379[13:49:26] <Izaya> ok
L380[13:49:45] <vifino> It was a joke, if
you can't tell...
L381[13:49:55] <Izaya> I'm aware :P
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L383[14:08:37] <AmandaC> vifino: oh, damn,
didn't know Ubuntu was back in style
L384[14:08:47] <AmandaC> brb nuke and
pave
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L386[14:11:58] <AmandaC> mir has been
zombified as wayland-compositor-as-a-library, AIUI
L387[14:12:22] <AmandaC> in the hopes
it'll get picked up by xfce and such
L388[14:13:05] <vifino> AmandaC: <_<
it's a joooke
L389[14:13:33] <Temia> Maybe we should
rename it to libjakuri instead.
L390[14:13:58] <AmandaC> vifino: I'm
aware, I was clarifying "is it dead" "yeah,
mostly"
L391[14:15:47] *
AmandaC needs to do something about backups for her mc
server
L392[14:17:35] <gamax92> AmandaC: install
my awesome TooManyBackups-Reborn-1.12.1-2.8.1.jar
L393[14:19:16] <gamax92>
OpenNotEnoughBackupsCraftRebornCore
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L395[14:24:14] <Izaya> \o/ https://oc.shadowkat.net/ moved all my OC stuff to
one domain
L396[14:25:37] <Izaya> Anyone got any idea
how I'd go about generating the pictures from the manual?
L397[14:25:52] <Marcel> is
there another methode to wait for a specific time to pass as to use
each time os.sleep(time) ?
<Marcel> is
there another methode to wait for a specific time to pass as to use
each time os.sleep(time) ?L398[14:25:52] <Izaya> Alternatively, can
I extract them from either the OC archive or a copy of the
game?
L399[14:26:21] <Marcel> so
that the computer/programm isn't froozen
<Marcel> so
that the computer/programm isn't froozenL400[14:26:49] <Izaya> There's a few ways
I guess?
L401[14:26:53] <Izaya> Depending on what
you want to do?
L402[14:26:58] <Izaya> ~w event
L403[14:26:58] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:event
L404[14:27:50] <Izaya> event.timer can be
used to delay something in the background
L405[14:28:06] <Marcel> I
have an EU Battery and reading out it's current storage - this is
then converted via math into % so that I can do an IF-Statement in
the while-loop
<Marcel> I
have an EU Battery and reading out it's current storage - this is
then converted via math into % so that I can do an IF-Statement in
the while-loopL406[14:28:40] <Marcel> but
I'll not get everytime with print the Current EU ... this value
should normaly overwritten
<Marcel> but
I'll not get everytime with print the Current EU ... this value
should normaly overwrittenL407[14:30:56] <Marcel> so
instead of doozen lines of pirnt() per tick I'll have only two line
with Current EU: val1 and Filled in %: val2
<Marcel> so
instead of doozen lines of pirnt() per tick I'll have only two line
with Current EU: val1 and Filled in %: val2L408[14:31:16] <Izaya> You'll probably
need to look at the term API to do that
L409[14:31:27] <Marcel>
which one?
<Marcel>
which one?L410[14:31:27] <Izaya> You can set where
to write text
L411[14:31:41] <Marcel>
GPU?
<Marcel>
GPU?L412[14:31:47] <Marcel>
never worked with it jet
<Marcel>
never worked with it jetL413[14:31:48] <Izaya> ~w term
L414[14:31:48] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:term
L415[14:37:02] <Marcel>
row's are the lines correct?
<Marcel>
row's are the lines correct?L416[14:37:10] <Izaya> yeah
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L419[14:45:07] <AmandaC> gamax92: :P
L420[14:46:23] <FLORANA>
hey i need some help...
<FLORANA>
hey i need some help...L421[14:47:45] <AmandaC> raoulvdberge: Any
idea why the recipies wouldn't appear for the reader/writer in
1.10.2 (RS: 1.2.26), but they still show up in JEI? I can get this
bug to reproduce with just JEI, MCMultiPart and RS. :/
L422[14:48:17] <FLORANA> ok
nvm i just relised i had a letter offset in my var name X3
<FLORANA> ok
nvm i just relised i had a letter offset in my var name X3L423[14:48:21] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/105319361538981888/366313179032190976/unknown.png
L424[14:48:30] *
AmandaC expects this to be a "closed wontfix, too old"
but wanted to ask just to make sure.
L425[14:48:46] <AmandaC> Inari: ...
wat
L426[14:48:50] <Inari> xD
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L428[14:52:40] <gamax92> I don't think my
DE supports wayland
L429[14:55:04] <gamax92> or I could try to
run it with mutter, but there is only partial compatibility
L430[14:55:32] <Izaya> am I allowed to be
okay with X11?
L431[14:55:38] <gamax92> no
L432[14:55:43] <Izaya> well too bad
L433[14:55:45] <Izaya> I'm okay with
X11
L434[14:55:55] <gamax92> okay
L435[14:55:59] <Izaya> :D
L436[14:56:29] *
CompanionCube thinks wayland has made an unfortunate design
choice
L437[14:57:36] <gamax92> tbh I have to do
something like, wayland with egl patch and mutter with egl patch or
something to get it to work with nvidia driver
L438[14:58:44] <Izaya> mfw
L439[14:58:58] <Izaya> this guy wrote a
floating point unit
L440[14:59:02] <Izaya> using only
MOVs
L441[14:59:08] <gamax92> linky
L442[14:59:20] <Izaya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmWwRmvjAE8 about 16
minutes
L443[14:59:20] <MichiBot> reductio ad
absurdum by Christopher Domas | length: 39m 56s | Likes:
75 Dislikes: 2 Views: 2,453 | by Shakacon LLC |
Published On 7/8/2017
L444[15:00:14] <gamax92> of course it's
him
L445[15:00:18] <gamax92> he does all the
weird stuff
L446[15:00:24] <Izaya> it's wonderful
:3
L447[15:01:51] *
AmandaC contemplates updating her pack + server to 1.11 or
1.12
L448[15:02:46] <AmandaC> No EnderIO for
1.11 or 1.12 yet, so I'd have to start from scratch
L449[15:02:59] <gamax92> I have doubts
about his sandsifter project though
L450[15:03:20] <Izaya> is that the
undocumented instruction finder thing?
L451[15:03:49] <gamax92> yeah
L452[15:04:17] <gamax92> it seemed to
report things as separate instruction even though it was probably
just modifying an address operand
L453[15:06:59] <gamax92> it's also going
to end up finding the same instruction with different prefixes,
though I think that summarizer program handles that
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L456[15:12:25] <gamax92> oh, xwayland
apparently doesn't support glx?
L457[15:12:33] <gamax92> so, no wayland
for me.
L458[15:12:58] <BILLPC2684> hey does
enyone know what the name the file should be to autostart once
booted?
L459[15:25:06] <AmandaC> gamax92:
glx?
L460[15:30:25] <Marcel> ok,
something is going wrong
<Marcel> ok,
something is going wrongL461[15:31:17] <gamax92> AmandaC: GLX is
an extension to the X Window System core protocol providing an
interface between OpenGL and the X Window System
L462[15:31:23] <Marcel> I
use term.clear() to have clean screen and then I use
term.setCursor(1,n) where n is the linennumber and after this I use
term.write("var: "..value) which is also fine
<Marcel> I
use term.clear() to have clean screen and then I use
term.setCursor(1,n) where n is the linennumber and after this I use
term.write("var: "..value) which is also fineL463[15:31:28] <Marcel> but
there is no screen update
<Marcel> but
there is no screen updateL464[15:32:38] <Marcel>
normaly it should run in the while-kope infinitly starting by the
while entry and going throw each line of code and since I added
term.clear() before term.write() it should normaly be an screen
update
<Marcel>
normaly it should run in the while-kope infinitly starting by the
while entry and going throw each line of code and since I added
term.clear() before term.write() it should normaly be an screen
updateL465[15:32:46] <Marcel> but
it did not update the screen
<Marcel> but
it did not update the screenL466[15:33:17] <gamax92> though I guess
the idea is to move to EGL and stop using GLX
L468[15:34:33] <Marcel> so
smth. is going wrong with the screen update because hte requested
values are changing every tick because of drain or fill of the EU
Battery
<Marcel> so
smth. is going wrong with the screen update because hte requested
values are changing every tick because of drain or fill of the EU
BatteryL469[15:36:11] <gamax92> this code makes
me cry
L470[15:36:17] <Marcel>
?
<Marcel>
?L471[15:36:30] <Marcel>
it's my style and I'll not change it for such a simple thing
<Marcel>
it's my style and I'll not change it for such a simple thingL472[15:36:56] <gamax92> you never update
curEU
L473[15:37:15] <Marcel> I
do because the while-loop is running?
<Marcel> I
do because the while-loop is running?L474[15:37:20] <gamax92> you assign it
once outside the loop but never inside the loop
L475[15:38:27] <Marcel>
hmmm
<Marcel>
hmmmL476[15:40:02] <gamax92> you also are
calculating diff2 which will be the same as diff and you clear the
screen twice in a row before putting stuff on the screen
L477[15:40:31] <Marcel> I
clear the screen every time befor outputting any stuff
<Marcel> I
clear the screen every time befor outputting any stuffL478[15:40:57] <gamax92> you have
term.clear() outside the loop but then term.clear() in every
if/elseif/else body
L479[15:40:59] <gamax92> so it happens
twice
L480[15:41:05] <gamax92> err, outside the
if statement*
L481[15:41:19] <Marcel>
which line is my term.clear() outside the loop?
<Marcel>
which line is my term.clear() outside the loop?L482[15:41:59] <gamax92> @Marcel see lines
43, 45, 61, 77
L483[15:42:07] <gamax92> and I meant
outside the if statement, but still inside the loop
L484[15:42:51] <gamax92> uh ... you dump
stuff to the screen but then clear the screen?
L485[15:42:59] <Marcel> to
update it?
<Marcel> to
update it?L486[15:43:11] <gamax92> yeah but then you
immediately erase it again
L487[15:43:12] <Marcel>
because I changed it now but there is no update
<Marcel>
because I changed it now but there is no updateL488[15:43:28] <gamax92> well again you
have to update the curEU variable yourself inside the loop
L489[15:43:35] <Marcel> but
the while-loop should run infinitly so if it's hitting the end of
the loop it should start from beginning
<Marcel> but
the while-loop should run infinitly so if it's hitting the end of
the loop it should start from beginningL490[15:43:42] <gamax92> it's not going to
automagically recall battery.getFullStoredEnergy() for you
L491[15:43:45] <Marcel>
done but no changes
<Marcel>
done but no changesL492[15:44:40] <Marcel> ok,
I know what the problem is
<Marcel> ok,
I know what the problem isL493[15:45:01] <Marcel> but
how can I then implement an os.exit() if the eventHandler is
waiting for n input?
<Marcel> but
how can I then implement an os.exit() if the eventHandler is
waiting for n input?L494[15:48:17] <gamax92> @Marcel https://hastebin.com/mezuvofiyi.lua
L495[15:58:51] <Marcel>
there is a complain: /home/battery:67: ')' expected near '!'
https://hastebin.com/bevoziliyo.lua
<Marcel>
there is a complain: /home/battery:67: ')' expected near '!'
https://hastebin.com/bevoziliyo.luaL496[15:59:05] <gamax92> oh, my mistake,
!= should be ~= instead
L497[15:59:12] <Marcel>
ok
<Marcel>
okL498[16:01:01] <Marcel> no
screenupdate
<Marcel> no
screenupdateL499[16:01:06] <Marcel>
even with your code
<Marcel>
even with your codeL500[16:03:10] <gamax92> oh, that's also
probably because of the event.pull that hangs until an event is
received, you should probably give it a timeout
L501[16:03:36] <gamax92> or switch to
using event listeners and put an os.sleep in the while loop
L502[16:04:06] <Marcel> pls
no os.sleep because hte pc has to watch every tick for a change and
while os.sleep it can not wathc every tick
<Marcel> pls
no os.sleep because hte pc has to watch every tick for a change and
while os.sleep it can not wathc every tickL503[16:04:24] <gamax92> then just
os.sleep for a tick ...
L504[16:04:51] <Marcel> and
I tried you code whithout the eventHandler and only one line was
displayed so smth. is cleaning the other lines
<Marcel> and
I tried you code whithout the eventHandler and only one line was
displayed so smth. is cleaning the other linesL505[16:06:23] <gamax92> without the
eventHandler then you have to put a os.sleep in :P
L506[16:06:38] <Marcel>
found the culprit which cleans my screen every time ^^
<Marcel>
found the culprit which cleans my screen every time ^^L507[16:11:25] <gamax92> Izaya: "It
takes about 3 days to compile hello world"
L508[16:11:53] <Izaya> considering it has
to execute a several hundred MB executable for every byte it needs
to write...
L509[16:21:28] <Inari> http://e-shuushuu.net/images/2011-03-13-383420.jpeg
~
L510[16:38:28] <Marcel>
gamax92 - It is working \o/ but when it changes from False to True
because of the redstone output it has an "Truee" instead
of "True" so I must use the line lik this
<Marcel>
gamax92 - It is working \o/ but when it changes from False to True
because of the redstone output it has an "Truee" instead
of "True" so I must use the line lik thisL512[16:38:29] <Marcel>
Since Flase has 5 chars but True only 4 ^^
<Marcel>
Since Flase has 5 chars but True only 4 ^^L513[16:39:46]
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L520[17:58:20] <MineRobber9000>
flase?
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L522[18:03:26] <BILLPC2684> hey i'm back
:3
L523[18:06:22] <BILLPC2684> i made a big
reactors I/O port and hooked it up to a small I-G server and how
it'll automatticly power on when low on power and turn off when
almost full of power... and i can monitor it's stats while i'm up
here at my PC talking and such :3
L524[18:07:32] <BILLPC2684> heres a
snapshot of it: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/117087064217878534/366362507461263370/2017-10-07_19.13.44.png
L525[18:30:08] <S3> ok
L526[18:30:19] <S3> I almost have a
working hex editor on my computer now written in BASIC
L527[18:30:22] <S3> that's a start
L528[18:42:31] <BILLPC2684> what form of
basic?
L529[18:43:31] <BILLPC2684> MS-Basic,
C64-Basic, SmileBasic(3DS), others
L530[18:46:50] <logan2611>
What mods?
<logan2611>
What mods?L531[18:47:09] <logan2611>
particullarly the ones on thhe HUD
<logan2611>
particullarly the ones on thhe HUDL532[18:47:35] <BILLPC2684> ?
L533[18:47:51] <logan2611>
The one with the temp and water in the bottom left
<logan2611>
The one with the temp and water in the bottom leftL534[18:49:57] <FLORANA> oh
that
<FLORANA> oh
thatL535[18:50:04] <FLORANA>
thats eviromine
<FLORANA>
thats eviromineL536[18:50:17] <FLORANA>
1.7.10 only cuz was discontinued
<FLORANA>
1.7.10 only cuz was discontinuedL537[19:02:00] <S3> BILLPC2684: Extended
Color BASIC
L538[19:02:16] <BILLPC2684> extended color
basic?
L539[19:02:20] <S3> yes
L540[19:02:29] <BILLPC2684> what is
that?
L541[19:02:43] <S3> It's an upgraded
version of Color BASIC
L542[19:02:51] <S3> from 1982
L543[19:03:00] <BILLPC2684> so...
L544[19:03:07] <BILLPC2684> what did it
ran on?
L545[19:03:26] <S3> this version is on my
coco 2
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L547[19:03:53] <BILLPC2684> and the coco 2
is?
L548[19:03:55] <S3> funny thing is, unless
I bring it downstairs to my living room TV, my monitor I use for it
is black and white
L549[19:04:02] <S3> TRS-80 Color Computer
2
L550[19:05:07] <S3> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/TRS-80_Color_Computer_2-64K.jpg/250px-TRS-80_Color_Computer_2-64K.jpg
L551[19:05:31] <S3> mine has 64K of memory
just like the C64 did
L552[19:06:05] <S3> a huge difference is
that the C64 had a 6510, a wonderful, and simple but powerful
processor
L553[19:06:16] <S3> and this has a
motorola 6809
L554[19:06:21] <S3> 6809E to be
specific
L555[19:06:47] <S3> te 6809 is a wonderfl
chip too. It has two stacks, so it's incredibly useful for running
Forth on
L556[19:06:53] <S3> which is what I am
trying to do
L557[19:07:04] <S3> BASIC is way too
limited and annoying
L558[19:09:41] <Izaya> The 6809 seems like
a really powerful chip
L559[19:10:06] <S3> Izaya: I am so mad
I'vre had this computer since I was 7
L560[19:10:26] <S3> 22 years ago!
L561[19:10:32] <Izaya> Are you gonna run
FUZIX on it?
L562[19:10:38] <S3> and I never realized
how powerful of a machine this could have been
L563[19:10:47] <S3> if I had realized
about this stuff then
L564[19:11:15] <S3> no
L565[19:11:33] <S3> I plan to get Forth
running on it really which is an OS sandbox in itself
L566[19:11:49] <Izaya> forth is a good
environment
L567[19:12:01] *
Izaya still thinks it'd be cool to run a UNIX-like on it
though
L568[19:12:42] <S3> it may be a little
slow for a full on unix env
L569[19:12:48] <S3> it's just under
1Mhz
L570[19:12:56] <S3> which is pretty fast,
butu IO is horrible on it
L571[19:13:05] <S3> and serial comms are
evil
L572[19:13:14] <S3> so like, the Coco has
no IRQ for ths erial port
L573[19:13:17] <S3> so you have to
poll
L574[19:13:25] <S3> I dunno why they were
so dumb
L575[19:13:47] <S3> bidirectional comms is
usually max 1200 baud
L576[19:13:57] <S3> and that's only if the
computer is doing NOTHING else
L577[19:14:12] <S3> 9600 is possible one
way
L578[19:16:55] <Izaya> that's obnoxious I
guess
L579[19:17:09] *
Izaya would think a memory-mapped buffer would be nice
L580[19:17:57] <S3> right because it would
be nice to IRC on it
L581[19:18:14] <S3> some form of
DMA..
L582[19:18:56] <S3> WUT
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L585[19:21:10] <Izaya> that port for the
drive is serial
L586[19:21:22] <Izaya> do you seriously
have to poll the port the FDD uses?
L587[19:23:32] <CompanionCube> lol some
russian bastard tried to get into my discord
L588[19:23:49] <CompanionCube> must be
down to that recent tinyurl leak. Anyway, shit's changed.
L589[19:24:41] <BILLPC2684> RIP
L590[19:25:02] <Izaya> payonel: can I
force ocvm to use a specific screen size?
L591[19:25:05] <BILLPC2684> wait ppl using
tinyurl with discord invite links?
L592[19:25:58] <CompanionCube> wait,
bitlly
L593[19:26:02] <CompanionCube> not
tinyurl
L594[19:26:12] <BILLPC2684> hm...
L595[19:26:28] <CompanionCube> BILLPC2684:
they suffered a recent security breach
L596[19:27:06] <CompanionCube> hopefully no other
incidents will occur. And time to close discord ?
<CompanionCube> hopefully no other
incidents will occur. And time to close discord ?L597[19:27:33] <Izaya> there's a site to
check that, right?
L598[19:28:20] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
haveibeenpwned
L599[19:28:26] <CompanionCube> but i
signed up for the email notification
L600[19:28:41] *
CompanionCube used to be a shitty password reuser
L601[19:30:14] <BILLPC2684> i wonder how
meny ppl here in IRC have discord XD
L602[19:30:42] <Izaya> plenty of people do
both
L603[19:31:15] <Izaya> I can't actually
see the Discord side but I don't see many people talk that only
have Discord which is interesting
L604[19:32:21] <BILLPC2684> why can't
you?
L605[19:32:32] <CompanionCube>
'Novokuybyshevsk, Samarskaya Oblast', Russia ;)
L606[19:33:14] <BILLPC2684> | discord >
server: OpenComputrs > #oc | and theres IRC in discord
L607[19:33:35] <CompanionCube> because
discord's a webshit app?
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L609[19:34:56] <Izaya> I don't have
discord so
L610[19:35:05] <Izaya> Actually, I think
MichiBot can give me a list of users
L611[19:35:06] <MichiBot> Hello
Izaya
L612[19:35:10] <Izaya> not sure how
though
L613[19:35:22] *
Izaya shrugs
L614[19:35:27] <BILLPC2684> why use the
website version of discord?
L615[19:35:40] <Izaya> you do know the
desktop version is still a web app, right?
L616[19:35:47] <S3> BILLPC2684: because a)
some people can't use the downloaded software
L617[19:35:49] <Izaya> it's just in a
version of chrome that lacks the URL bar
L618[19:35:52] <BILLPC2684> yes but has
more support
L619[19:36:04] <BILLPC2684> i find that
funny
L620[19:36:07] <S3> and b) the online
version is at least a little farther away from running natively on
your machine
L621[19:36:33] <BILLPC2684> and what not
get DDOS-ED?
L622[19:36:45] *
CompanionCube doesn't use anything electron-based out of principle
that the platform's crap
L623[19:37:05] <CompanionCube> if i was a
fan of discord the webapp is reasonable though
L624[19:37:18] <Izaya> Using a specific
version won't change whether you get DDOS'd
L625[19:37:38] <Izaya> Though hopefully
their protocol doesn't leak IP addresses
L626[19:37:55] <S3> CompanionCube:
electron is pretty heavy, but it is exactly the kind o fthing I
wanted to make 10 years ago
L627[19:38:05] <BILLPC2684> discord uses
enclosed connections to there servers so your 99% safe
L628[19:38:31] <Izaya> I mean, their
protocol is pretty much HTTP(S) requests so as long as they don't
explicitly tell other clients you should be fine
L629[19:38:31] <S3> that makes no sense
but
L630[19:39:05] <S3> a big problem with
electron is nodejs
L631[19:39:34] <BILLPC2684> plus all
servers are on 1 host server per regein
L632[19:39:34] <S3> and, with the habbits
of most nodejs developers out there I don't want that shit running
on my machine
L633[19:40:02] <BILLPC2684> discord is
worser on android XD
L634[19:40:14] <S3> I can't easily run
discord on my laptop anyways
L635[19:40:25] <S3> I would need to
compile a bunch of crap to get it workin
L636[19:40:34] <S3> there isn't a discord
client for my OS
L637[19:41:01] <CompanionCube> electron
doesn't work on FreeBSD?
L638[19:41:01] <Izaya> tfw no Discord
client for Darwin PPC
L639[19:41:19] <Izaya> ... Maybe I should
switch to Darwin PPC
L640[19:41:30] <Izaya> sanity check they
don't have an ARM build either right?
L641[19:41:42] <CompanionCube> but
literally no-one uses pure darwin ppc i think
L642[19:41:56] <Izaya> even I don't
despite having it installed
L643[19:41:58] <Izaya> it's p. bad
L644[19:42:05] <Izaya> the last build you
can download is from like 2005
L645[19:42:17] <Izaya> and getting a sane
userspace involves compiling every version of gcc from then till
now
L646[19:42:21] <BILLPC2684> S3 what OS are
you running?
L647[19:42:57] <S3> CompanionCube: there
are some opendarwin people
L648[19:43:06] <S3> BILLPC2684:
FreeBSD
L649[19:43:10] *
Izaya hmms
L650[19:43:13] <BILLPC2684> dude
L651[19:43:14] <S3> I can run it with
linux emulation
L652[19:43:26] <Izaya> Link to the irc://
link or webchat?
L653[19:43:28] <S3> but it means I gotta
set up linux libraries and I just don't care
L654[19:43:41] <Izaya> Actually, why not
both?
L655[19:43:43] <BILLPC2684> freeBSD should
beable to run a linux eviroment
L656[19:43:49] <S3> it does
L657[19:44:00] <S3> it has built in 32 bit
and 64 bit linux executable support
L658[19:44:02] <CompanionCube> BILLPC2684:
'but it means I gotta set up linux libraries and I just don't
care'
L659[19:44:26] <Izaya> Why bother when IRC
and mumble exist?
L660[19:44:27] <S3> with discord there is
only one thing I really lose
L661[19:44:30] <S3> and that's push to
talk
L662[19:44:35] <S3> whic has a ork
around
L663[19:44:50] <S3> *using the web
version)
L664[19:44:56] <S3> so at that point why
use the desktop client
L665[19:45:02] <BILLPC2684> look at trueOS
it uses a linux style eviroment and has wine for windows
programs(and the creator says that wine is more stable when playing
games then linux running them)
L666[19:45:16] <BILLPC2684> and it uses
freeBSD
L667[19:45:25] <CompanionCube> i think
someone's missing the point
L668[19:47:08] <S3> yeah like, discord
requires electron which requires a lot of libraries and shit
L669[19:47:16] <BILLPC2684> also the
images of trueOS is from the ohio-con. linux fest which i went to
:3 about a week ago
L670[19:47:27] <S3> I can sit down and
install a bunch of libraries to get it to work for a while
L671[19:47:36] <S3> or I can just accept
that discord works PERFECT in the browser
L672[19:47:47] <Izaya> is electron
available natively on FBSD?
L673[19:48:04] *
Izaya hasn't been paying huge amounts of attention, working on
PsychOS docs
L674[19:48:45] <S3> considering atom
officially support freebsd I'd imagine
L675[19:58:28] <Izaya> I need more screens
>.>
L676[19:59:17] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/AdLCfob.png
L677[20:00:00] <S3> more than one is too
much
L678[20:00:23] <Izaya> nah
L679[20:00:33] <Izaya> actually thinking
I'll buy a 3 screen VESA mount
L680[20:00:41] <Izaya> swap out the
1680x1050 for a 1440x900
L681[20:00:52] <Izaya> have 3 19"
1440x900 displays in portrait
L682[20:01:12] <BILLPC2684> one of the
mods is saying why would we reprogram/port discord for a OS thats
not even that popular
L683[20:01:47] <Izaya> >not wanting to
support GEOS on the Commodore 128
L684[20:02:02] <Izaya> jesus developers
give zero fucks these days
L685[20:02:04] <BILLPC2684> GEOS?
L686[20:02:59] <Izaya> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)
L687[20:03:45] <BILLPC2684> oh
L688[20:03:50] <BILLPC2684> that OS
L689[20:04:00] <BILLPC2684> i thout it was
something diffent
L690[20:05:38] <BILLPC2684> btw thats
image from imgur is blurry
L691[20:06:15] <Izaya> it's a PNG, it's on
your end
L692[20:06:44] <BILLPC2684> no
L693[20:06:48] <Izaya> anyone know if it's
possible to set autoindex order in nginx or is that not a
thing?
L694[20:06:50] <S3> BILLPC2684: not blurry
for me
L695[20:07:00] <BILLPC2684> is it
chrome?
L696[20:07:07] <Izaya> I could do it with
apache2 but I'd prefer to avoid that
L697[20:07:11] <Mimiru> no blue in chrome
here.
L698[20:07:22] <BILLPC2684> oh
L699[20:07:26] <Mimiru> err
L700[20:07:28] <Mimiru> blur*
L701[20:07:37] <BILLPC2684> forsome
reasion it was blurry for the first time i opened it
L702[20:07:40] <S3> maybe you fogot to
zoom in?
L703[20:07:40] <S3> :P
L704[20:07:47] <S3> lol
L705[20:08:15] <BILLPC2684> also are you
using the ubuntu intergration?
L706[20:08:20] <Izaya> nope
L707[20:08:26] <Izaya> I'm on Windows
8.1
L708[20:08:32] <BILLPC2684> what
L709[20:08:34] <S3> who would ever use
ubuntu
L710[20:08:35] <Izaya> that's just Debian
running on another box
L711[20:08:59] <BILLPC2684> window 8 is
trash and 8.1 bearly recovers from it
L712[20:09:12] <S3> windows is trash
period
L713[20:09:17] <BILLPC2684> well
L714[20:09:22] <S3> it's always
sucked
L715[20:09:26] <BILLPC2684> windows XP and
7 was the best
L716[20:09:35] <BILLPC2684> now there
dead
L717[20:09:43] <Izaya> It's heavily
modified Windows Embedded 8.1 Industrial Enterprise
L718[20:10:02] <S3> Not so sure about
that
L719[20:10:10] <S3> I had the most luck
with 98
L720[20:10:19] <S3> but it still
sucked
L721[20:10:21] <Izaya> Most of the metro
BS is removed, most of the MS stuff is disabled, Classic Shell for
a start menu, etc.
L722[20:10:35] <Izaya> I'd still be using
Windows 7 but I wanted that extra half a gig of RAM to run a VM all
the time
L723[20:11:10] <BILLPC2684> i spent most
of my time with windows XP and loved it
L724[20:11:21] <S3> xp was kinda shit tbh.
the thing that was nice about it is that it was a vast improvement
over NT 4 and 2000
L725[20:11:25] <BILLPC2684> but now it's
obsolete and outdated
L726[20:11:30] <Izaya> When Windows XP was
a thing I was using Solaris \o/
L727[20:12:05] <S3> I remember how windows
XP didn't allow you to load drivers from the installer from CD like
windows 98 did (WTF?)
L728[20:12:21] <S3> XP instead required a
floppy drive to do it
L729[20:12:23] <BILLPC2684> i mean XP was
great then ppl loved it and microsoft did the exact samething they
did with XP got vista and bang bad things happened
L730[20:12:40] <S3> and every time I
needed to get XP installed I had to find my damn floppy disk with
drivers for my SATA chipset before AHCI SATA was invented
L731[20:12:45] <BILLPC2684> XP never
required a floppy disk drive
L732[20:12:47] <S3> or at least before it
was supported
L733[20:13:19] <S3> yes it did, for the
original XP installation setup it needed a floppy drive to install
additional drivers
L734[20:13:22] <S3> it was so frigging
lame
L735[20:13:31] <BILLPC2684> i have windows
XP SP3
L736[20:13:39] <S3> that came out much
later
L737[20:13:51] <S3> and you probably don't
have an original non AHCI compliant SATA v1 chipset
L738[20:13:51] <S3> :P
L739[20:13:52] <BILLPC2684> plus i can
install windows XP on a VM and it doesn't ask for the floppy disk
drive
L740[20:14:10] <Izaya> unrelated: https://oc.shadowkat.net/ I moved my OC stuff to a
subdomain
L741[20:14:19] <S3> cool
L742[20:14:30] <S3> BILLPC2684: duh
L743[20:14:45] <S3> BILLPC2684: because
the VM has everything XP needs
L744[20:15:10] <BILLPC2684> um
L745[20:15:20] <S3> I don't think you
quite understand, I had a very early sata chipset before ahci sata
came around. in order for XP to even find the hard drive, I had to
install drivers during the setup before it was installed
L746[20:15:23] <BILLPC2684> i can emulate
XP without a floppydisk drive
L747[20:15:26] <Izaya> hm, should I go for
a Debian style guided installer or an Arch style 'you get a shell
with everything you need'?
L748[20:15:29] <S3> that feature XP needs
a floppy drive
L749[20:15:38] <S3> windows 98 allowed me
to put them on CD
L750[20:15:47] <S3> you are really missing
it :P
L751[20:16:17] <S3> BILLPC2684: if you
have IDE or AHCI SATA, XP works just fine
L752[20:16:33] <S3> if you had oldschool
sata, or some SCSI adaptors.. you were kind of screwed without
one
L753[20:16:40] <BILLPC2684> i mean mine
uses IDE i belive
L754[20:17:11] <BILLPC2684> yes it
is
L755[20:17:15] <BILLPC2684> i just looked
it up
L756[20:17:38] <S3> a lot of systems will
use SCSI emulation to IDE (even linux does now)
L757[20:18:10] <BILLPC2684> i always
wondered
L758[20:18:15] <S3> that's why IDE drives
show up in most Linux 2.6 as /dev/sdx
L759[20:18:17] <BILLPC2684> how fast are
IDE cords?
L760[20:18:26] <S3> they're pretty
slow
L761[20:18:26] <Izaya> "not
very"
L762[20:18:30] <S3> like
L763[20:18:32] <S3> 4MB/s
L764[20:18:34] <S3> maybe
L765[20:18:42] <S3> at least that's what
you can expect in throughput
L766[20:19:12] <S3> later on 80 pin cables
became a thing, and 80 pin cables sucked because they were fragile
but they allowed for multiport access
L767[20:19:28] <Izaya> argh
L768[20:19:34] <S3> ATA100/133 is like
133MB/s
L769[20:19:45] <S3> I have never ever
gotten an IDE drive to run that fast
L770[20:19:49] <Izaya> can I make tree not
output the ./ if I do -if?
L771[20:20:00] <Izaya> I think the best
I've gotten on IDE was about 20MB/s
L772[20:20:08] <Izaya> all my drives are
trash though
L773[20:20:10] <S3> from my experience
once I get through the OS and all the libraries and drivers I
usually get between like 4 and 20
L774[20:20:36] <S3> you'll never get
maximum throughput with something like IDE. SCSI is quite a bit
different..
L775[20:20:52] <Izaya> tfw 5 15k Ultra160
SCSI drives
L776[20:20:54] <BILLPC2684> accualy
unrelated to real computers... um will OC get updated to 5.2 at
all? (was just wondering...)
L777[20:21:04] <Skye> S3, XP hasn't got
AHCI
L778[20:21:09] <Skye> there are drivers
for it
L779[20:21:09] <S3> Izaya: I havd 7 36GB
Ultra160s
L780[20:21:15] <Skye> but it doesn't have
it on the CD
L781[20:21:18] <Izaya> OC defaults to 5.2,
and can optionally run 5.3
L782[20:21:22] <S3> and I almost ALWAYS
got about 1660MB/s on the scsi line in good conditions
L783[20:21:32] <Izaya> S3: I have 5
Ultra160 drives and 5 Ultra320 drives
L784[20:21:36] <gamax92> payonel: oi
L785[20:21:37] <Izaya> FAST
L786[20:21:41] <S3> 320s yay
L787[20:21:42] <Izaya> but loud as
fuck
L788[20:21:55] <S3> Izaya: what you need
is fibre channel scsi
L789[20:21:59] <S3> solid state
L790[20:22:02] <Izaya> jesus you could
stand next to a jet engine and have a quieter time
L791[20:22:04] <S3> fiber channel solid
state :D
L792[20:22:15] <Izaya> at that point why
not just PCI-e?
L793[20:22:22] <S3> Izaya: yes but
listening to them spin up one by one in an array is EPIC
L794[20:22:30] <Izaya> that it is :3
L795[20:22:41] <S3> Izaya: fibre channel
solid state scsi over PCI-e
L796[20:22:42] <S3> :D
L797[20:23:03] <S3> no hold on
L798[20:23:04] <BILLPC2684> well can OC
run lua 5.1?
L799[20:23:14] <S3> fibre channel solid
state scsi over direct infiniband
L800[20:23:19] <Izaya> it falls back to
5.1 is your native libs aren't working
L801[20:23:39] <S3> BILLPC2684: why would
you want 5.1?
L802[20:24:35] <S3> the alternatives to
setfenv and getfenv are so much better
L803[20:24:49] <BILLPC2684> cuz love2D
uses 5.1 so i was wondering if i could posibly emulate OC on it...
(and maybe vice versa)
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L805[20:25:03] <S3> heh
L806[20:25:06] <Izaya> why not just use
ocemu or ocvm tho?
L807[20:25:12] <S3> BILLPC2684: gamax92's
OCEMU is excellent
L808[20:25:23] <BILLPC2684> CUZ i like
making emulators ok
L809[20:25:24] <S3> I got ocemu running on
FreeBSD
L810[20:25:40] <S3> if I wanted to make an
OC emulator I wouldn't include the GPU part
L811[20:25:48] <S3> I'd just make it print
to stdout
L812[20:26:05] <BILLPC2684>
technicaly...
L813[20:26:26] <BILLPC2684> can't a basic
windows/linux/mac terminal run up to 4bit colors?
L814[20:26:38] <S3> with xterm coloir you
can have 256 color
L815[20:26:52] <S3> and thatr works on
urxvt
L816[20:26:54] <S3> which you get
unicode
L817[20:26:55] <BILLPC2684> that would be
a tier 2 monitor and yes xterm would be tier3 i gess
L818[20:26:57] <S3> just like OCEMU
L819[20:27:28] <S3> but really though all
I care about is not graphics output, I care more about that the lua
code runs on OC hardware ish
L820[20:28:13] <S3> BILLPC2684: Here's my
recommendation
L821[20:28:32] <S3> you should create an
OC implementation using Lua on some small chip like AVR or
something
L822[20:28:42] <S3> and stuff it into a 3D
printed OC computer cube
L823[20:28:50] <S3> with video output and
everything :D
L824[20:28:58] <S3> maybe even some
component bus
L825[20:29:08] <S3> oc component / serial
or some shuit
L826[20:29:13] <S3> stuff*
L827[20:29:15] <BILLPC2684> OwO lol i just
thout of something funny...
L828[20:29:36] <BILLPC2684> what if
someone made a life sized OC style computer
L829[20:29:45] <gamax92> @BILLPC2864 I've
already tried to make ocemu on Love2D
L830[20:29:51] <gamax92> there's a reason
why it's no longer on Love2D
L831[20:30:06] <BILLPC2684> hm...
L832[20:30:41] <gamax92> a number of
issues cropped up due to the whole 5.1, no goto, no real _ENV
support
L833[20:30:48] <S3> gamax92: wasnt your CC
emu on love?
L834[20:31:01] <gamax92> yeah but CC uses
5.1
L835[20:31:15] <S3> I thought it supported
5.2 now
L836[20:31:17] <gamax92> Still issues due
to difference between luajit and LuaJ
L837[20:31:39] <S3> I think luajit is
kinda dumb
L838[20:31:42] <BILLPC2684> is it posible
to emulate CC in OC?
L839[20:31:45] <S3> Lua is quite fast
without luajit
L840[20:31:50] <BILLPC2684> just crossed
my mind
L841[20:31:54] <gamax92> BILLPC2684: yeah,
to a degree
L842[20:33:32] <BILLPC2684> also what
would happen if OC evolved into a real computer emulation in-game?
like calculating binary values with RAM and REGS, and other stuff
and able to program in bytecode then plain lua?
L843[20:33:45] <gamax92> already
possible
L844[20:33:57] <BILLPC2684> it is?
L845[20:34:29] <MineRobber9000> someone
made a 6502 in CC, wouldn't be much of a hassle to port to OC
L846[20:34:35] <MineRobber9000> in fact, I
may try it
L847[20:34:43] <BILLPC2684> um...
L848[20:34:43] <gamax92> OC has had a
custom Architecture API since forever, you can simulate a MIPS
processor and 6502 processor if you'd like, or whatever else you'd
like to code for it
L849[20:34:57] <BILLPC2684> i dom
L850[20:35:02] <BILLPC2684> stupid
keyboard
L851[20:35:03] <gamax92> MineRobber9000:
https://github.com/gamax92/Thistle
L852[20:35:31] <MineRobber9000> ooh
L853[20:35:40] <MineRobber9000> but even
Lua side, it's possible
L854[20:35:44] <gamax92> Yeah
L855[20:35:45] <MineRobber9000> that's the
point I'm trying to make
L856[20:35:52] <MineRobber9000> but I will
try that out
L857[20:35:57] <gamax92> don't :D
L858[20:36:06] <BILLPC2684> i don't mean
emulate inside OpenOS/lua i mean emulate as in emulate with the
given hardware
L859[20:36:46] <gamax92> MineRobber9000:
It's ... usable. But not very friendly, don't have a FORTH or BASIC
disk to go with it
L860[20:36:53] <BILLPC2684> cuz looking at
the CPU all it says is lua 5.2
L861[20:37:15] <gamax92> BILLPC2684: Well
if you were to install other mods that add extra architectures then
you would have extra architectures to choose from
L862[20:37:36] <MineRobber9000> but Lua is
the main architecture
L863[20:37:40] <MineRobber9000>
BILLPC2684: ^
L864[20:37:45] <MineRobber9000> OpenOS has
nothing to do with it
L865[20:37:53] <MineRobber9000> OpenOS is
built on top of Lua
L866[20:38:05] <MineRobber9000> I've
actually made an OS that does nothing
L867[20:38:12] <MineRobber9000> but shows
event names
L868[20:38:26] <MineRobber9000>
component_attached, component_detached
L869[20:38:46] <BILLPC2684> um... yah sure
lets emulate a lua computer... theres nothing special to emulate
besides just remaking lua
L870[20:39:19] <gamax92> I get the feeling
you don't understand what's being said.
L871[20:40:12] <BILLPC2684> so?
L872[20:46:17] <MineRobber9000>
BILLPC2684: let me rephrase
L873[20:46:26] <MineRobber9000> Lua is the
main OpenComputers BIOS
L874[20:46:37] <MineRobber9000> as in,
most OC computers run on Lua
L875[20:46:42] <MineRobber9000> OpenOS is
an addon
L876[20:46:57] <MineRobber9000> made by a
member of the community
L877[20:47:18] <BILLPC2684> yes but to run
the BIOS thats the CPU's doing
L878[20:47:21] <MineRobber9000> and NOT
required to run a computer
L879[20:47:45] <MineRobber9000> gamax92
made a 65c02 architecture for it
L880[20:48:08] <MineRobber9000> so Lua
isn't the only arch, but it's the main one
L881[20:48:43] <BILLPC2684> i'm still
confused why have a CPU run lua when it can do much more then
that?
L882[20:49:12] <Izaya> https://oc.shadowkat.net/PsychOS/build/fsdev/PsychOS-fsdev-latest/
muahahaha, I now generate package recipes along with the kernels
and executables
L883[20:49:16] <gamax92> Izaya: help
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L885[20:49:32] <Izaya> gamax92: apply face
to desk, repeatedly, with force
L886[20:49:41] <gamax92> I've already
tried
L887[20:49:46] <Izaya> try harder
L888[20:49:50] <BILLPC2684> ?
L889[20:49:58] <Izaya> eventually you'll
forget about this problem
L890[20:50:14] <Izaya> BILLPC2684: because
Lua can be easily sandboxed and is cheap to run
L891[20:50:20] <Izaya> emulators are not
cheap to run
L892[20:50:33] <BILLPC2684> yah so is
fibonacci
L893[20:50:41] <gamax92> what
L894[20:50:48] <Izaya> this is how it is
in the base mod
L895[20:50:56] <Izaya> you can get mods
that add other architectures
L896[20:50:59] <Izaya> but lua is
familiar
L897[20:51:01] <Izaya> and easy
L898[20:51:03] <Izaya> and what people
want
L899[20:51:07] <Izaya> so this is how it
is
L900[20:51:09] <Izaya> k
L901[20:51:33] <BILLPC2684> fibonacci a
math algorythem A = A+B; B = B+A; and it keeps looping
L902[20:51:56] <BILLPC2684> it can be
simply done by 4 opcodes + args
L903[20:51:57] <CompanionCube> if you want
something not cheap to run look at ackermann or busy beaver
:p
L904[20:52:08] <BILLPC2684> lol
L905[20:52:34] <gamax92> BILLPC2684:
you're comparing code to something that runs code
L906[20:53:24] <BILLPC2684> how?
L907[20:53:30] <gamax92> fibonacci is
code
L908[20:53:32] <gamax92> Lua runs
code
L909[20:53:58] <BILLPC2684> i'm talking in
a binary aspect
L910[20:54:12] <MineRobber9000> what
binary aspect
L911[20:54:19] <gamax92> "it can be
simply done by 4 opcodes + args" this is code
L912[20:54:20] <BILLPC2684> was aspect the
correct word?
L913[20:54:34] <MineRobber9000> you
forget, this is code that allows other code to run inside more
code
L914[20:54:48] <MineRobber9000> (the mod
allows code to be run inside Minecraft)
L915[20:55:00] <BILLPC2684> yes LOAD A,1;
ADD A,B; ADD B,A; JUMP 0x0001;
L916[20:55:23] <MineRobber9000> but that
doesn't mean anything without anything that knows what LOAD, ADD,
and JUMP are
L917[20:55:26] <BILLPC2684> woos i ment
0x0003
L918[20:55:27] <S3> .i ko pluka
cilre!
L919[20:55:37] <MineRobber9000> s/but
that/that code
L920[20:55:37] <MichiBot>
<MineRobber9000> that code doesn't mean anything without
anything that knows what LOAD, ADD, and JUMP are
L921[20:55:45] <BILLPC2684> minerobber
that was a domostration
L922[20:55:48] <MineRobber9000> that's
what an architecture is
L923[20:55:52] <BILLPC2684> it's not in
byte code yet
L924[20:56:05] <MineRobber9000> the byte
code wouldn't mean anything either
L925[20:56:06] <gamax92> again, even if
it's in bytecode, you still need something to run that
bytecode
L926[20:56:10] <CompanionCube>
MineRobber9000: not technically, that's what an assembler is
L927[20:56:22] <CompanionCube> (it's
pednatic but so what)
L928[20:56:30] <BILLPC2684> OK!!!
L929[20:56:39] <MineRobber9000> without
anything to tell the mod "When you encounter <opcode for
LOAD> do this" it's useless
L930[20:57:23] <MineRobber9000> gamax92:
re: thistle; does any info exist on, like, memory maps?
L931[20:57:31] <gamax92> it's in the
github wiki
L932[20:58:02] <gamax92> if you want to
write a program for the Thistle EEPROM to load, the start address
is $0200
L933[20:58:30] <AmandaC> oops, I
accidentally minecraft all day
L934[20:58:31] <BILLPC2684> the CPU is
programmed with the bytecodes to execute, the program aka ROM loads
the bytecodes into the CPU and haves it executes them and thouse
the program runs
L935[20:58:48] <MineRobber9000> but
OpenComputers needs to know how to run the CPU
L936[20:58:59] <BILLPC2684> what?
L937[20:58:59] <CompanionCube> uh, isn't
it the other way around
L938[20:59:02] <AmandaC> MineRobber9000:
yes, we get it, it's turtles all the way down.
L939[20:59:12] <CompanionCube> the CPU
loads the ROM into the CPU and that goes off and does it's
thing
L940[20:59:15] <gamax92>
s/turtles/robots/
L941[20:59:16] <MichiBot> <AmandaC>
MineRobber9000: yes, we get it, it's robots all the way down.
L942[20:59:37] <AmandaC> %choose bed or
find something to watch on youtube or start S4 of the
Symphogear
L943[20:59:37] <MichiBot> AmandaC: start
S4 of the Symphogear
L944[20:59:49] *
AmandaC wanders off for anime
L945[20:59:54] <gamax92> anime time
L946[21:00:02] <MineRobber9000> the code
isn't the problem, you Fibonacci would run fine, but OC needs to
know how to interpret your code
L947[21:00:44] <BILLPC2684> um by the
bytecodes that the CPU gives it
L948[21:00:56] <BILLPC2684> it's not that
hard to understand
L949[21:01:07] <MineRobber9000> the issue
is, OC doesn't know anything about your CPU
L950[21:01:17] <gamax92> MineRobber9000:
oh and read up on TSF, it's how to perform component accesses since
I have no 6502 friendly wrappers of any components yet :D
L951[21:01:23] <BILLPC2684> who says this
is my PC?
L952[21:01:28] <BILLPC2684> *CPU
L953[21:01:37] <MineRobber9000> the CPU
that Fibonacci runs on
L954[21:01:49] <MineRobber9000> OC doesn't
know anything about that
L955[21:01:51] <BILLPC2684> ENY CPU CAN
RUN FIB.
L956[21:01:53] <BILLPC2684> ...
L957[21:01:59] <MineRobber9000> Not a
non-existant one
L958[21:02:07] <BILLPC2684> yes
L959[21:02:19] <BILLPC2684> emulation is
simple
L960[21:02:21] <MineRobber9000> you need a
CPU to run fibonnaci on
L961[21:02:25] <BILLPC2684> unless your
into sound emulation
L962[21:02:47] <gamax92> I think the
argument here is devolved into just stupidity at this point
L963[21:03:02] <BILLPC2684> and why is
that?
L964[21:03:15] <MineRobber9000> my final
say on the matter: without an architecture (OC's version of a CPU)
nothing can run at all. Good day sir.
L965[21:03:42] <BILLPC2684> if i was in
discord i would do :facepulm:
L966[21:03:48] <gamax92> that's nice
BILLPC2684
L967[21:04:12] <BILLPC2684> whats with
him?
L968[21:04:28] <MineRobber9000> I SAID
GOOD DAY SIR!
L969[21:04:34] <MineRobber9000> all jokes
aside...
L970[21:04:39] <BILLPC2684> i didn't ask
you now did i?
L971[21:05:01] <S3> meh
L972[21:05:05] <MineRobber9000> i didn't
ask you to get into a fight with me now did i?
L973[21:05:09] <S3> vi estas duvas lernu
la esperanton..
L974[21:05:30] <S3> la esperanton lingvo
estas trebone ..
L975[21:05:31] <BILLPC2684> no and i never
said enything that should make you think the wrong way
L976[21:05:42] <BILLPC2684> why are you
speaking... spanish?
L977[21:05:46] <S3> ROFL
L978[21:05:56] <MineRobber9000> eres
irritante
L979[21:06:02] <MineRobber9000>
BILLPC2684: ^
L980[21:06:10] *
CompanionCube wonders if he should take and use a weapon from
MichiBot's bag
L981[21:06:12] <BILLPC2684> what?
L982[21:06:12] <S3> BILLPC2684: ne; Mi
estas ne parolis espania
L983[21:06:17] <gamax92> S3: btw, what if
instead of writing an assmbler using FORTH inside of BASIC, what if
you wrote an assembler in BASIC
L984[21:06:20] <MineRobber9000> hablo un
poco espanol
L985[21:06:22] <BILLPC2684> i don't speak
spanish
L986[21:06:23] <S3> espanion*
L987[21:06:34] <S3> gamax92: that's a
problem
L988[21:06:45] <BILLPC2684> i only speak
english and alittle of japanese
L989[21:06:58] <S3> that was my initial
idea, but then I'd need to create an RD parser in BAsic or
something. do you have any idea how painful that is in 1980s
basic?
L990[21:07:09] <gamax92> nope
L991[21:07:15] <S3> it's easier to create
a simple TIB and forth primative set and then just make an
assembler with that
L992[21:07:23] <S3> because an assembler
in forth can just push opcodes to the stack directly
L993[21:07:30] <gamax92> the only basics
I've used was MSBASIC for the RPC8 and QBASIC
L994[21:07:31] <S3> which requires no
parsing
L995[21:07:31] <MineRobber9000> I wish
Thistle had BASIC. Is there any way to compile a source file for
thistle
L996[21:07:46] <gamax92> I was going to
attempt porting EHBASIC to Thistle
L997[21:07:54] <Izaya> but...
L998[21:07:56] <S3> gamax92: qbasic has a
LOT more features
L999[21:07:56] <Izaya> EH?
L1000[21:08:00] <Izaya> :D
L1001[21:08:03] <CompanionCube>
MineRobber9000: grab an assembler for the CPU, write a basic
interpreter in assembly, done
L1002[21:08:05] <MineRobber9000> because
I've come up with a small program to run but IDK
L1003[21:08:14] <MineRobber9000>
CompanionCube: I wish
L1004[21:08:16] <gamax92> I dunno it's
the only one I've seen, it shipped with Symon
L1005[21:08:34] <gamax92> funny that
there's a built in assembler in the BIOS
L1006[21:08:53] <S3> heh
L1007[21:09:10] <gamax92> otherwise I use
ca65
L1008[21:09:12] <BILLPC2684> こんいちわ ：３
(hello :3 in japanese) thats accualy kinda weard to read in this
font from OC
L1009[21:09:19] <gamax92> used to use wla
but omfg it's terrible
L1010[21:09:31] <MineRobber9000> built in
assembler? where?
L1011[21:09:36] <gamax92> it has so many
issues I have no idea why Solra uses it
L1012[21:09:55] <gamax92> when you boot
up the EEPROM it dumps you to a prompt
L1013[21:10:09] <gamax92> you can just
type assembly into that or give it commands
L1014[21:10:24] <BILLPC2684> thats odd OC
reads the japanese " :3" fine in the text box but when
sent it returns "???" in the IRC logs
L1015[21:13:33] <S3> gamax92: ca65 has
some serious problems
L1016[21:13:43] <S3> and it's not
necessarily ca65's fault..
L1017[21:13:59] <S3> the 65xx is just a
horrible chip to run C on
L1018[21:14:23] <gamax92> ca65 is the
assembler
L1019[21:14:26] <gamax92> cc65 is the
compiler
L1020[21:15:25] <gamax92> MineRobber9000:
the only differences in syntax is BBR# is BR#, BBS# is BS#, RMB# is
RB#, SMB# is SB#, and Branch instructions take 0x## operands
only
L1021[21:15:31] <S3> gamax92: oh, yeah
hahaha
L1022[21:15:38] <S3> gamax92: I was
thinking cc65
L1023[21:15:57] <gamax92> AmandaC had
some luck with getting gcc-6502 to work
L1024[21:16:07] <S3> I never think about
ca65 because I find acme easy to get running
L1025[21:16:24] <gamax92> C++ on a 65C02,
it uhh, works I suppose
L1026[21:16:32] <S3> ...
L1027[21:16:36] <CompanionCube> but
why
L1028[21:16:41] <S3> right
L1029[21:16:44] <S3> C alone sucks on
it
L1030[21:17:57] <Izaya> so I finally
wrote some documentation \o/ https://oc.shadowkat.net/PsychOS/install.html
L1031[21:19:28] <FLORANA> hey fun fact i'm watching live
japan TV XD yet i don't complete know what there saying XD
<FLORANA> hey fun fact i'm watching live
japan TV XD yet i don't complete know what there saying XDL1032[21:20:45] <FLORANA> kinda looks like a cooking show
is currently playing...
<FLORANA> kinda looks like a cooking show
is currently playing...L1033[21:25:40] <S3> Izaya: do you have
any good ideas for component access and control using forth on
OC?
L1034[21:25:53] <S3> you can't exactly
map components to memory.. can you? :D
L1035[21:26:02] <Izaya> not without
creating mappings
L1036[21:26:17] <Izaya> if you want to do
it manually then sure, but...
L1037[21:26:31] <Izaya> if your FORTH is
in Lua then you could have words for it
L1038[21:27:29] <S3> I feel like having
words for it would beat the purpose of forth
L1039[21:28:05] <S3> it would almost make
more sense to have some sort of "component bus" that is
easy to use which you can copy the address to into your stack using
a word
L1040[21:28:18] <Izaya> well I mean
L1041[21:28:18] <S3> but I dunno
L1042[21:28:26] <Izaya> you could map
components to numbers
L1043[21:28:30] <Izaya> have numbers for
types
L1044[21:28:33] <Izaya> etc etc.
L1045[21:28:50] <S3> that makes some
sense
L1046[21:29:06] <Izaya> have a MMU
:3
L1047[21:29:37] <S3> ?
L1048[21:30:13] <Izaya> in memory have an
address that maps the component specified into memory
L1049[21:30:20] <Izaya> so you don't have
to use a heap of memory for it
L1050[21:30:43] <S3> right
L1051[21:31:11] <S3> function calls could
be called as strings..
L1052[21:31:32] <S3> s"
function-name-here"
L1053[21:31:43] <S3> that returns a
pointer in memory to the string
L1054[21:31:55] <S3> as well as its
size
L1055[21:32:59] <Izaya> /o/
L1056[21:33:07] <Izaya> tested the
install instructions
L1057[21:33:10] <Izaya> worked
wonderfully
L1058[21:36:40] <Izaya> ~w
component:filesystem
L1059[21:36:40] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:filesystem
L1060[21:37:41] <Izaya> hah, install fits
in /tmp, but only just
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L1065[22:17:55] <AmandaC> Install?
L1066[22:19:38] <Izaya> A full install of
PsychOS
L1067[22:19:42] <AmandaC> Ah
L1068[22:19:48] <Izaya> It's about 51k,
tmpfs is 64k
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L1070[22:20:16] <digital> psychos?
L1071[22:20:28] <digital> I followed on
discord a little
L1072[22:20:39] <Izaya> https://oc.shadowkat.net/PsychOS/
L1073[22:21:02] <AmandaC> you know the
discord bridge is two-way right? (Or did it break again)
L1074[22:21:05] <Izaya> even better: you
can download an everything kernel, boot it from /tmp, then download
a normal system to tmp and use that
L1075[22:22:12] *
AmandaC does some padding in a circle, curls up and sleeps. Night
nerds
L1076[22:22:21] <Izaya> Sleep well
o/
L1077[22:22:25] <digital> I
forgot.....
L1078[22:22:36] <digital> I will check
that out.
L1079[22:23:10] <Izaya> Do just step 1 of
the install if you want to mess with it without making any
changes
L1080[22:23:25] <digital> will do
L1081[22:23:38] <digital> I was trying to
learn plan9k as well
L1082[22:25:45] <digital> a note on the
install docs is you go from step 2 to 4.
L1083[22:25:51] <digital> what is step
three?
L1084[22:25:57] <Izaya> Step 3: ???
L1085[22:26:04] <Izaya> Thanks for the
heads up
L1086[22:26:17] <Izaya> I'll fix that
>.>
L1087[22:26:18] <digital> No probs
L1088[22:35:31] <Izaya> (actually, if you
do the full install but in step 2 don't put in a 3rd argument to
pkg it'll give you a full system that gets deleted when power is
lost)
L1089[22:46:00] <digital> one last thing.
step 2's url is wrong. it says severyting instead of
everything
L1090[22:46:03] <digital> y]
L1091[22:46:10] <Izaya> not wrong
L1092[22:46:16] <Izaya> severything is a
smaller version of everything
L1093[22:46:26] <digital> it gave me an
error.
L1094[22:46:50] <Izaya> the file is
there
L1095[22:46:51] <digital> nvm. works
now....
L1096[22:47:01] <Izaya> question not the
magic I guess
L1097[22:47:04] <digital> idk why it
didn't work the first time.
L1098[22:47:14] <digital> yeah I
guess.
L1099[22:47:54] <digital> the third
command isn't working though
L1100[22:48:21] <Izaya> third
command?
L1101[22:48:30] <digital> run the init
file.
L1102[22:48:34] <Izaya> oh
L1103[22:48:36] <Izaya> specific error
or?
L1104[22:48:42] <digital> does
nothing
L1105[22:48:46] <Izaya> uh
L1106[22:48:52] <Izaya> does init.lua
contain anything?
L1107[22:49:07] <digital> nope
L1108[22:49:15] <Izaya> that'd be the
issue :P
L1109[22:49:20] <Izaya> delete it and
redownload it
L1110[22:49:37] <Izaya> (there'll
probably be an init.lua.1 too you'll want to delete)
L1111[22:49:55] <Izaya> (wget creates the
file then downloads)
L1112[22:50:04] <digital> just tried to
redownload and it errored
L1113[22:50:11] <Izaya> not enough
space?
L1114[22:50:21] <digital> PKIX building
faild
L1115[22:50:30] <Izaya> uh
L1116[22:50:42] <Izaya> ???
L1117[22:50:49] <digital> unable to find
vaild certification path to request target
L1118[22:51:03] <Izaya> ah
L1119[22:51:13] <Izaya> your machine
doesn't like my letsencrypt cert I guess
L1120[22:51:21] <digital> I guess
so.
L1121[22:51:32] <digital> irl machine or
in game?
L1122[22:52:22] <Izaya> IRL machine
L1123[22:53:07] <digital> funny part. I
just went to the address in chrome and it gave me the save
prompt
L1124[22:53:16] <Izaya> huh
L1125[22:53:18] <Izaya> works in FF for
me
L1126[22:53:33] <Izaya> well, enabled
plain http for that domain
L1127[22:53:57] <Izaya> if you change the
URL to http rather than https it should work
L1128[22:54:12] <digital> that
worked.
L1129[22:54:52] <Izaya> downloading a
proper system won't work but you'll be able to mess around with the
-everything kernel
L1130[22:55:01] <Izaya> in 24 hours the
cert should be valid everywhere
L1131[22:55:11] <digital> strange.
L1132[22:55:16] <Izaya> (I'm GMT+10 so
it's probably only valid in the future for you)
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L1134[22:55:42] <Izaya> only set up that
domain ... 9 hours ago
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L1136[22:56:33] <digital> I am GMT-4 so
it could be the issue
L1137[22:57:01] <gamax92> hi from
GMT-6
L1138[22:57:31] <Izaya> hello from the
future /o/
L1139[22:57:32] <digital> so Mountain
time right?
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L1141[23:00:26] <digital> ok no cursor
movement on the console is slightly annonying
L1142[23:01:09] <Izaya> no cursor
movement?
L1143[23:01:12] <Izaya> like,
blinking?
L1144[23:01:17] <digital> yy
L1145[23:01:28] <digital> dang it. ignore
that
L1146[23:01:46] <digital> I mean you
can't move the place of typing left or right
L1147[23:01:50] <Izaya> oh
L1148[23:01:52] <Izaya> yeah
L1149[23:01:56] <Izaya> that's annoying
to me too
L1150[23:02:01] <Izaya> need to rewrite
readline
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L1152[23:04:25] <gamax92> Izaya: one
could take that example of a super tiny 45 byte elf and use it to
implement /bin/true and /bin/false
L1153[23:04:57] <Izaya> ok..?
L1154[23:06:33] <digital> elf?
L1155[23:07:16] <Izaya> executable and
linkable format
L1156[23:07:33] <Izaya> (most types of)
unix executable
L1157[23:08:14] <digital> ah ok. I am not
familiar with unix
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