OCLogs: 2017-08-16.log

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L4[00:27:26] <TheROFL98> Hello

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L6[01:06:03] <feep> ... shit. disk drives are not eligible for sticking in a computer

L7[01:06:07] <feep> upgrade slot*

L8[01:07:19] <feep> now I have a robot that can't boot XD

L9[01:10:58] * feep disassemblers

L10[01:22:04] <feep> uh

L11[01:22:08] <feep> I threw a robot in the disassembler

L12[01:22:10] <feep> and now the robot is gone

L13[01:22:21] <feep> so I'm not sure what happens now...?

L14[01:22:51] <feep> ... OH, it put them in the adjacent assembler :D

L15[01:22:53] <feep> convenienc!

L16[01:23:19] <feep> hm, do I really need a hard drive..?

L17[01:23:38] <feep> eh, I'll take out the net card and slot it in as an upgrade

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L20[01:46:45] <Saphire> Heya

L21[01:46:49]

<TheROFL98> heyo

L22[01:46:54] * Saphire flops

L23[01:47:00] <Saphire> I need ideas for what to do q-q

L24[01:47:14]

<TheROFL98> code an os with a gui that works for this mod

L25[01:47:24] <Saphire> I have a C irc-mud client, which is pretty much only actual thing I ever written... :c

L26[01:47:29] <Saphire> Hm...

L27[01:47:46] <Saphire> Problem is, most programs are CLI.

L28[01:47:56] <Saphire> And wasn't someone doing that already?

L29[01:48:03]

<TheROFL98> idk im just new here

L30[01:48:04] * Saphire pokes Izaya

L31[01:49:40] <Saphire> There is of course MineOS...

L32[01:49:45] <Saphire> But let's say, it's a bit, uh...

L33[01:51:03]

<TheROFL98> What?

L34[01:57:11] * Izaya was going to do it eventuallytm

L35[02:03:22] <Saphire> Izaya: IIRC someone showed a dumb WM?

L36[02:04:29] <Izaya> Dustpuppy I think?

L37[02:04:34] <Izaya> It was more of an API

L38[02:04:48] <Izaya> Kenny had one as well but that was a long time ago

L39[02:05:21] <Saphire> Oh, someone showed a screenshot and mumbled something about needing a real wm added to that?

L40[02:05:40] * Izaya shrugs

L41[02:06:00] <Izaya> Dustpuppy's has a WM by the looks

L42[02:06:46] <Izaya> https://oc.cil.li/uploads/monthly_2017_07/2017-07-14_18_08_38.png.01caf1867305e9abafbac29a4e3a2e6e.png

L43[02:06:58] <Izaya> Not seeing a terminal though

L44[02:11:52] <gamax92> get Izaya to make a GUI

L45[02:13:31] <Saphire> Izaya: he showed it before iirc

L46[02:13:48] <Saphire> Also, lol, that test window reminds me of one gtk utility

L47[02:14:43] <Saphire> "gtk3-widgetfactory" :D

L48[02:15:01] <gamax92> Saphire: the Z sound is caused by directing air with the tongue to the sharp edge of the teeth, causing high-frequency turbulence.

L49[02:15:16] <Izaya> gamax92: dunno if that'd be a good idea

L50[02:15:20] <Saphire> gamax92: wrong window?

L51[02:15:30] <Izaya> it'd be weird and wouldn't make sense to anyone but me if I wrote a GUI

L52[02:15:45] <gamax92> Saphire: oh sorry

L53[02:15:53] <Saphire> Izaya: now lok at Windows GUI API? :P

L54[02:16:04] <gamax92> winapi lol

L55[02:16:10] <Izaya> Saphire: there's a big difference there

L56[02:16:24] <Izaya> I would be able to make sense of mine

L57[02:16:32] <Izaya> nobody understands the Windows API

L58[02:16:37] <Saphire> So do they, probably.

L59[02:21:35] <gamax92> I like Dustpuppy's gui system, looks good

L60[02:21:41] <gamax92> hope it's efficient though

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L62[02:23:23] <gamax92> I need to optimize wocchat's rendering a bit more

L63[02:24:18] <gamax92> it only redraw it's various gui parts as needed but it basically clears and redraws the entire gui part iirc

L64[02:24:26] <Izaya> tbh I'm gonna end up writing a display event wrapper and have it support multiple terminals

L65[02:24:29] <Izaya> ie tmux for PsychOS

L66[02:24:37] <gamax92> would need to abuse gpu copy

L67[02:24:49] <gamax92> oooh, PsychOS?

L68[02:24:59] <Izaya> yeah, more sane MultICE rewrite

L69[02:25:07] <Izaya> it's similar but better

L70[02:25:16] <gamax92> wait, but MultICE is tiny

L71[02:25:22] <Izaya> applications are insulated, it has theoretical user support

L72[02:25:39] <Izaya> (you can still just run multiple terminals as superuser but \o/)

L73[02:25:50] <Saphire> gamax92: uh

L74[02:25:52] <Saphire> Uuuuh

L75[02:26:10] <gamax92> hi

L76[02:26:12] <Saphire> Doesn't term API support virtual terminals or something?

L77[02:27:29] <gamax92> there's process windowing or something, which wocchat uses to confine the input bar to a single line near the bottom of the screen

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L79[02:31:54] <gamax92> Saphire: this wasn't available in older versions of OpenOS though, so wocchat resorted to overriding the primary gpu

L80[02:32:02] <gamax92> back then

L81[02:40:25] <gamax92> crap I've gotten hungry again :I

L82[02:41:08] <gamax92> still proud of my wocchat scroll bar

L83[02:44:12] <Saphire> *pats*

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L89[03:30:18] <Saphire> HAH

L90[03:30:33] <Saphire> So, a channel on IRC about Japanese language..

L91[03:31:18] <Saphire> ... And somehow I accidently started a vim-vs-emacs debate?

L92[03:34:44] <Saphire> Whoops.

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L94[03:45:00] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHVqNJPXUAUQKvr.jpg:large

L95[03:51:00] <Forecaster> nano ftw

L96[03:59:36]

<Kodos> Notepad++ plskthx

L97[03:59:52] <Inari> Notepad++ has an odd bug for me where in the javascript formatting &'s are invisible

L98[04:00:07] <Inari> Generally I like Atom.io or Sublime more than NP++

L99[04:04:09] <Forecaster> I keep using np++ for the great sftp plugin

L100[04:05:35] <gamax92> oh

L101[04:05:41] <gamax92> Inari: orange oil is flammable

L102[04:05:52] <Inari> I know

L103[04:05:59] <Inari> Also that video was bad

L104[04:06:04] <gamax92> :P

L105[04:06:09] <gamax92> how come

L106[04:06:25] <Inari> Meh, not enough vsauce

L107[04:06:31] <Inari> Too much 5th grader math explained at length

L108[04:06:40] <gamax92> yeah

L109[04:09:03] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_dEaj0OOgw

L110[04:09:05] <MichiBot> Do Japanese People Understand English Words Printed On Their T-Shirt? | length: 16m 12s | Likes: 38,830 Dislikes: 2,120 Views: 2,642,411 | by NeKo JGT | Published On 14/3/2017

L111[04:11:16] <gamax92> heh

L112[04:11:37] <Forecaster> I'm not going to watch that but I'm going to guess "no"

L113[04:13:53] <gamax92> Inari: this is so awkard

L114[04:13:59] <Inari> Haha

L115[04:15:31] <Forecaster> ...

L116[04:15:36] <Forecaster> instagram is stupid...

L117[04:15:41] <Forecaster> why are the images so small

L118[04:16:42] <Inari> Cause instafail

L119[04:18:03] <Forecaster> this is a 1080x608 image and it's displayed in 598x337 with no way to enlarge it other than to find the imgage url in the source and opening it in a new tab...

L120[04:18:37] <Forecaster> also their content server uses the facebook logo as it's favicon

L121[04:18:57] <Inari> Haha

L122[04:20:20] <gamax92> wearing a shirt that says naked

L123[04:20:27] <Inari> xD

L124[04:21:48] <Inari> I like the cheesy editing :P

L125[04:22:07] <Inari> Caution wet floor xD

L126[04:23:27] <Inari> "FUGLY" ^^"

L127[04:23:35] <gamax92> wow

L128[04:24:17] <gamax92> they just accepted it too

L129[04:24:21] <Inari> Haha

L130[04:24:22] <Inari> Yeah

L131[04:24:51] <Inari> "Naughty" ;D ;D

L132[04:25:29] <gamax92> pfft

L133[04:25:31] <gamax92> shoplift

L134[04:26:22] <gamax92> uhhh

L135[04:26:40] <Inari> I wonder how these kinda shirts are made

L136[04:26:42] <gamax92> I don't know why you'd want to make some of these shirts in the first place

L137[04:26:51] <Inari> "Lets open the dictionary andpicka a word at random"?

L138[04:27:43] <gamax92> that was interesting

L139[04:28:27] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87wnWEC28wA

L140[04:28:28] <MichiBot> Funny When Japanese Try To Speak English With SIRI! - Part 13 | length: 10m 33s | Likes: 395 Dislikes: 7 Views: 19,626 | by NeKo JGT | Published On 4/8/2017

L141[04:29:29] <gamax92> uhhhh

L142[04:31:31] <gamax92> why are they wearing farmers overalls

L143[04:31:53] <Inari> Dunno, they're ont he set for some show or so :P

L144[04:33:02] <Forecaster> pfff, I bet they didn't actually kiss

L145[04:33:03] <gamax92> wawudl

L146[04:33:15] <gamax92> loral XD

L147[04:33:29] <Inari> "I don't know who your mother is" haha

L148[04:33:36] <gamax92> yo siri is bad

L149[04:34:02] <Inari> Siri is sometimes a bit finnicky, yeah

L150[04:35:54] <gamax92> it got that no problem though

L151[04:37:03] <gamax92> and other sponsors

L152[04:37:42] <Inari> They could have edited that one a bit better xD

L153[04:37:45] <Inari> But ohwell

L154[04:39:06] <gamax92> why did they kiss D:

L155[04:39:14] <Inari> xD

L156[04:40:14] <Inari> gamax92: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vpP7kF8zT8 :P

L157[04:40:14] <MichiBot> Ramen | length: 6m 12s | Likes: 34 Dislikes: 0 Views: 3,090 | by Bern | Published On 2/11/2015

L158[04:40:53] <gamax92> Hard Gay

L159[04:41:32] <gamax92> .-.

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L161[04:43:12] <Forecaster> they didn't even show it

L162[04:43:22] <Forecaster> I don't believe they did :O

L163[04:43:25] <Inari> They did at the end :P

L164[04:43:25] <Forecaster> :I*

L165[04:43:29] <Forecaster> oh

L166[04:43:44] <Forecaster> I lost interest halfway through

L167[04:44:25] <gamax92> hard or hard noodles

L168[04:44:55] <Inari> xD

L169[04:46:32] <gamax92> Inari: that wasn't creepy at all

L170[04:46:48] <Inari> Haha

L171[04:46:59] <Inari> It's only too creepy because people are silly :P

L172[04:47:19] <Inari> If you mean the part with the kids

L173[04:47:46] <gamax92> I meant the whole thing, including the part with the kids

L174[04:47:49] <gamax92> :P

L175[04:50:20] <Inari> :P

L176[04:50:26] <Inari> The rest was just funny not creepy :D

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L178[04:52:37] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos

L179[04:53:00] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHV3VvJUMAEF8p6.jpg:large still one of the better swimsuit designs

L180[04:53:11]

<Mettaton_Fab> it is

L181[04:53:13]

<Mettaton_Fab> indeed

L182[04:54:01] <gamax92> the background looks so flat :I

L183[04:54:44] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7z_WVcpdw

L184[04:54:45] <MichiBot> Fushigi Purupuru Pururin Rin! 10 HOURS | length: 9h, 59m 59s | Likes: 4,966 Dislikes: 115 Views: 402,036 | by mmaximko | Published On 30/6/2012

L185[04:55:05] <gamax92> Inari: This video contains content from Victor Entertainment, Inc.. It is not available in your country.

L186[04:55:14] <gamax92> Sorry about that.

L187[04:55:21] <Inari> xD

L188[04:55:42] <Inari> I need to rewatch NHK

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L190[04:56:21] <gamax92> looks older

L191[04:56:47] <gamax92> ahh, 2006

L192[04:57:35]

<Mettaton_Fab> why isnt my thing i bought not moving faster my way!

L193[04:57:50] <Inari> gamax92: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5dSwqSv3s ?

L194[04:57:51] <MichiBot> Mou Ikkai (1 hour) | length: 1h | Likes: 655 Dislikes: 10 Views: 50,152 | by Kristo Vanek | Published On 30/8/2012

L195[04:57:56] <Forecaster> someone didn't attach enough rocket engines to it

L196[04:58:41] <gamax92> more 2006 anime

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L198[05:01:14] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjNPeKgLnC8 \o/ Haven't listened to that in like forever

L199[05:01:14] <MichiBot> Hauu Nanodesu~! | length: 5m 27s | Likes: 7,913 Dislikes: 187 Views: 741,251 | by Kanzen Hanzai | Published On 23/2/2008

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L201[05:07:15] <gamax92> 2006 again

L202[05:08:48] <gamax92> I haven't watched anything lately

L203[05:09:33] <gamax92> or well, I did watch a thing but it wasn't anime

L204[05:16:43] <Cruor> Inari: higurashi isnt supposed to sound that cheerful D:

L205[05:17:25] <Inari> Haha

L206[05:18:52] <gamax92> Vexatos: have you come to a conclusion on what voice type you want to use?

L207[05:19:05] <gamax92> Banana or no Banana?

L208[05:21:08] <Vexatos> I'm actually not sure

L209[05:21:16] <Vexatos> The slt voice definitely is the best one no matter what

L210[05:21:27] <Vexatos> hmm can obviously pronounce almost anything somewhat correctly

L211[05:21:36] <Vexatos> The unit selection voice sounds better though :I

L212[05:22:31] * Vexatos pokes asie :3

L213[05:22:36] <gamax92> I know there's also cmu arctic clb but not tried that one myself

L214[05:22:41] <Vexatos> same

L215[05:22:54] <Inari> The actual question here is

L216[05:23:00] <Inari> Which voice can moan better?

L217[05:23:10] <gamax92> hmm

L218[05:23:23] <gamax92> because I doubt moaning noises were recorded in the training data

L219[05:23:45] <Vexatos> hmm is basically more "true" speech synthesis

L220[05:23:56] <Vexatos> unit selection just has a heckload of samples and tries to make the best out of them

L221[05:24:13] <gamax92> hidden markov model

L222[05:24:19] <Vexatos> yea

L223[05:24:57] <gamax92> give me a few minutes I have to redownload the gigantic unit voices

L224[05:25:59] <gamax92> also that's the issue with unit voices, they take up a lot of space but they're also faster to make than the HMM voices which can take hours

L225[05:30:12] <Vexatos> speech limit in tronics is 300 characters so whatever

L226[05:30:19] <Vexatos> But that still takes up to 1.5 seconds

L227[05:32:02] <Vexatos> But yea, now sure which one I'd prefer

L228[05:32:25] <Vexatos> one is faster and sounds better, the other one just works better with odd words

L229[05:34:58] <Forecaster> ohey itsa vexatoast

L230[05:36:02] <gamax92> lets make spectrograms!

L231[05:36:20] <Vexatos> that's funny because there's an analytical chemistry exam for me on friday

L232[05:36:52] <Vexatos> spectrograms are the only thing I've been seeing this week :I

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L234[05:39:01] <gamax92> Vexatos: https://imgur.com/a/EAtER

L235[05:40:05] <gamax92> also yeah I don't understand why the unit voices seem to insert a noise burst for every pause

L236[05:40:14] <Vexatos> mh

L237[05:40:53] <Vexatos> cmu arctic hmm was the default one, no? I forget >-<

L238[05:41:01] <gamax92> yes

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L242[06:15:25] <Saphire> Unit voices..?

L243[06:15:27] <Saphire> What?

L244[06:16:56] <Forecaster> text-to-speech stuff

L245[06:17:07] <Saphire> Ah

L246[06:17:13] <Saphire> Yeah, just googled

L247[06:18:38] <Saphire> I need something to work on

L248[06:18:41] <Forecaster> http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/15/judge-judy-dog-finds-owner-court-video/

L249[06:20:06] <Inari> Units are idol groups

L250[06:20:46] <gamax92> units are inaccurately divided pieces of audio

L251[06:21:15] <gamax92> the labeler seems to have a precision of 0.005 seconds

L252[06:21:34] <gamax92> MAUS had a precision of 0.01 seconds

L253[06:21:53]

<Saphire> D:

L254[06:22:27] <Skye> maybe... it sounds like static because random cuts in audio sounds like static pops?

L255[06:24:25] * Skye hides

L256[06:24:49] <gamax92> static?

L257[06:26:57] <Saphire> Q-Q

L258[06:27:22] <Saphire> While idea of making a GUI OS for OC is nice.. uh..

L259[06:27:40] <Saphire> An actual OS would be kinda hard to do

L260[06:27:51] <Saphire> And utterly incompatible with anything

L261[06:28:09] <gamax92> just don't go full blone MineOS

L262[06:30:53] <Inari> Saphire: So what :P

L263[06:32:26] <Saphire> http://imgur.com/gallery/83JU1 heh

L264[06:32:27] <gamax92> just write software for your os

L265[06:32:33] <Saphire> gamax92: ew

L266[06:32:35] <Saphire> ew ew ew

L267[06:32:39] <Saphire> That shit is MacOS

L268[06:32:52] <gamax92> I know I know you don't like it

L269[06:32:52] <Saphire> I mean, he literally said "it works for macos, it works for me" or similar

L270[06:33:13] <Saphire> When I called him out on a "folder per app" design of FS

L271[06:33:31] <Saphire> Well, I guess I could make my own...

L272[06:33:54] <Saphire> Just, uh.. It's not like people would use it much unless it offered compatability with all the programs out there

L273[06:34:12] <gamax92> well make it compatible

L274[06:34:26] <Saphire> So "replicate or copy openos APIs"

L275[06:34:42] <gamax92> and or replace them with versions that work in your os

L276[06:35:32] <gamax92> simple reactor display program and you've covered 99% usage of oc :P

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L278[06:43:08] <Saphire> :c

L279[06:43:11] <Saphire> That's sad.

L280[06:43:17] <Saphire> Such power and such waste.

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L283[06:46:10] <Inari> Well the issue is that theres no enough to use it for

L284[06:49:23] <Inari> %choose normal or korean

L285[06:49:24] <MichiBot> Inari: korean

L286[06:49:27] <Inari> Hm

L287[06:49:27] <Forecaster> I use a robot to refuel my reactor :P

L288[06:49:34] <Izaya> tfw planning basically X11 for OC

L289[06:50:09] <Izaya> wait

L290[06:50:17] <Izaya> if I make a proper windowing system for virtual terminals

L291[06:50:29] <Izaya> I don't need to do the X11

L292[06:50:57] <Izaya> the display events can be entirely local to that machine and they can be forwarded over the network at will

L293[06:53:13] <Saphire> if(local_display) message_locally() else message_over_network() end :P

L294[06:53:19] <Izaya> well more

L295[06:53:27] <Izaya> you have a process proxying display events

L296[06:54:53] <Forecaster> Saphire: you forgot "then" how could you

L297[06:55:50] * Saphire eyerolls

L298[07:06:45] <Skye> Izaya, so you're going to make X but better? :P

L299[07:10:51] <Saphire> ...I just realized that firefox==red panda was only an inner joke. Well, inner fact, I guess?

L300[07:13:34] <Izaya> Skye: well

L301[07:13:38] <Izaya> it's not explicitly networked

L302[07:13:46] <Izaya> and it won't support graphics

L303[07:13:51] <Izaya> tbh I've already written most of it

L304[07:13:54] <Izaya> I just need to write a WM

L305[07:17:44] <Saphire> q-q

L306[07:17:48] <Saphire> I am a disgrace

L307[07:17:53] <Saphire> https://github.com/OpenPrograms/dangranos-Programs/pull/3

L308[07:23:18] * Saphire pokes Vexatos o..o

L309[07:23:27] <Saphire> Caaaaan I --force push?

L310[07:27:03] <Vexatos> or just, well

L311[07:27:09] <Vexatos> reset your local branch to this?

L312[07:27:13] <Vexatos> >_>

L313[07:29:04] <Saphire> nuuu

L314[07:29:14] <Saphire> Muh authorship

L315[07:29:24] <Saphire> Also you monster, you didn't squash it!

L316[07:29:36] <Saphire> ...no wait, m9k is moster.

L317[07:29:54] <Saphire> And I guess nobody needed my program anyways because that was never told about...

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<Mimiru> o_O

L324[08:28:12]

<Mimiru> Ok... so todo.. disable that.

L325[08:28:49]

<Forecaster> yeah... natsumi what are you even doing

L326[08:31:57]

<Forecaster> it's also not displaying the same thing here as in #bots for some reason...

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L337[10:10:31] <Vexatos> thanks

L338[10:11:01] <Forecaster> >

L339[10:12:15]

L340[10:12:22] <Corded> * <Mimiru> sighs

L341[10:12:26]

<Mimiru> .mixer

L342[10:12:29]

<Mimiru> .mixer help

L343[10:12:30]

<Natsumi> I will notify this channel when status changes.

L344[10:12:32]

<Mimiru> fuck.

L345[10:12:34]

<Mimiru> i fucked up

L346[10:12:37]

<Mimiru> .h mixer

L347[10:12:37]

L348[10:13:02] <Michiyo> halp.

L349[10:13:44] <Syrren> ?

L350[10:14:17]

<Forecaster> ah you have to do .help .command

L351[10:14:21]

<Forecaster> for whatever reason

L352[10:15:19]

<Mimiru> It looks like you can't remove them..?

L353[10:15:45]

<Forecaster> I dunno... that would be stupid

L354[10:17:42] <Michiyo> well.. here we are.. lol

L355[10:17:48] <Michiyo> i'mma look at the db

L356[10:18:24]

<Forecaster> oh

L357[10:18:30]

<Forecaster> it's .rms

L358[10:18:35]

<Forecaster> or .removestream

L359[10:18:43]

<Mimiru> .rms Forecaster

L360[10:18:56]

<Mimiru> .removestream help

L361[10:19:08]

<Mimiru> well... no confirmation..

L362[10:19:10]

<Forecaster> .help .removestream

L363[10:19:11]

L364[10:19:19]

<Forecaster> ah

L365[10:19:24]

<Mimiru> oh

L366[10:19:28]

<Mimiru> .rms Mixer Forecaster

L367[10:19:29]

L368[10:19:38]

<Mimiru> .rms Mixer help

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L370[10:19:39]

<Forecaster> well, that was an ordeal

L371[10:19:42]

<Mimiru> yes.. ty

L372[10:19:52]

<Mimiru> I'll work on making corded parse it better, and re add it later, if you want.

L373[10:20:03] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHXDepXW0AA_Pp3.jpg:large

L374[10:20:05]

<Forecaster> sure :)

L375[10:20:21]

<Forecaster> now I can test stream without worrying about spamming

L376[10:20:23]

<Mimiru> and.. possibly not have it spam it 4 times in a few seconds.

L377[10:20:26]

<Mimiru> :P

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L384[10:57:28] <Forecaster> the streams! Evil Genius yay

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L387[11:41:01] <Kodos> %flip

L388[11:41:02] <MichiBot> Kodos: (╯°□°）╯┻━┻

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L390[11:57:38] <payonel> o/

L391[12:03:16] * Forecaster puts the table back

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L395[13:09:41] <gamax92> Inari: D:

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<TheROFL98> how do you install mineos?

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L400[14:00:52] <gamax92> Step 1: Don't

L401[14:01:18]

<TheROFL98> well how am I going to get an os with a gui?

L402[14:01:27] <Inari> gamax92: ?

L403[14:02:00] <gamax92> Inari: You bombarded me with silly videos I got like no sleep

L404[14:02:16] <Inari> xD

L405[14:02:22] <Inari> I didn't really :f

L406[14:02:26] <Inari> I linked like 3

L407[14:10:02] <AmandaC> Inari: were they all 10 hours long?

L408[14:10:14] <Inari> :P No

L409[14:10:20] <payonel> vifino: how much would you expect a train from frankfurt to munich would cost?

L410[14:11:15] <payonel> and, google says ~5½ hours

L411[14:13:21] <Inari> Seems 3:30~4 hours if you get a fast connection

L412[14:13:25] <Inari> 103 euros or such :P

L413[14:14:15] <AmandaC> And your soul.

L414[14:14:20] <AmandaC> don't forget that part, Inari

L415[14:14:22] <payonel> that seems costly

L416[14:14:46] <payonel> i take a 1 hour bus twice a day, $5

L417[14:14:54] <Inari> apaprenlty 70~80 if you're lucky, but no clue :P

L418[14:14:57] <payonel> 2.50 each way

L419[14:15:03] <Inari> Well ICE isn't a bus :D

L420[14:15:11] <AmandaC> payonel: and that bus is probably in much worse shape than the train you'll be riding. :P

L421[14:15:44] <payonel> it's also the only option

L422[14:15:46] <AmandaC> AIUI it's more expensive across the pond, but as a result they actually /maintain the vehicles and tracks properly/

L423[14:16:12] <payonel> my bus isn't that bad. and i've lived in japan with high quality trains

L424[14:16:26] <Inari> With hentai stores *-*

L425[14:16:39] <Inari> payonel: Shouldn't you like

L426[14:16:42] <Inari> get a monthly ticket ors o

L427[14:16:49] <Inari> If you're riding it two times daily

L428[14:16:56] <payonel> actually i have a year pass

L429[14:17:01] <payonel> that's the cost if you pay per trip

L430[14:17:58] <Inari> Ah :p

L431[14:18:54] <payonel> so i would pay 80-100 euros to get from frankfurt to munich

L432[14:18:55] <payonel> ...

L433[14:19:02] <payonel> per person

L434[14:19:05] <payonel> hmm

L435[14:21:40] <Inari> Well thats what a quick search on bahn.de said anyway

L436[14:23:10] <Michiyo> I did a 25 hour bus ride once... never again.

L437[14:23:45] <Michiyo> gamax92, handy?

L438[14:23:51] <Inari> 25 hour o.o

L439[14:23:52] <gamax92> no

L440[14:23:53] <Michiyo> k

L441[14:23:56] <gamax92> I'm getting lunch right now

L442[14:24:15] <Temia> Greyhound, I imagine.

L443[14:24:20] <Inari> Handy is german slang for mobile phone :f

L444[14:24:23] <AmandaC> Michiyo: sear ot bed?

L445[14:24:29] <AmandaC> Handy is american slang for handjob

L446[14:24:36] <Temia> I can feel you though, I've been on 25-hour train rides. Coach seating. >.>

L447[14:24:37] <Inari> :o

L448[14:24:38] <AmandaC> s/sear/seat/

L449[14:24:38] <MichiBot> <AmandaC> Michiyo: seat ot bed?

L450[14:25:10] * AmandaC notices the OTHER typo. decides the put that message out of it's misery

L451[14:25:11] <Inari> 25 hour train rides... doesn't sound that bad, but I'd hate to sleep in a train

L452[14:25:20] <Michiyo> Seat, multiple change overs lost my luggage, someone ripped my pants...

L453[14:25:49] <Temia> Oh jeez, that sounds awful :<

L454[14:27:56] <AmandaC> Michiyo: was it spongebob?

L455[14:29:36] <Inari> %pet Michiyo

L456[14:29:38] * MichiBot brushes Michiyo with a dead corpse. Michiyo recovers 2 health!, the dead corpse poofs away in a sparkly cloud.

L457[14:29:44] <Inari> :|

L458[14:30:30] <AmandaC> Inari: You're the one that added the dead corpse, IIRC.

L459[14:30:45] <AmandaC> You don't get to :| at things you added being used improperly. :P

L460[14:31:03] * Inari eyes AmandaC

L461[14:31:07] <Inari> %pet AmandaC

L462[14:31:07] * MichiBot brushes AmandaC with Napoleon's hat. AmandaC recovers 5 health!

L463[14:31:09] <Michiyo> No, tried to steal my money..

L464[14:31:12] <Michiyo> anyway.. lol

L465[14:31:59] <AmandaC> There's an episode of spongebob where he over-uses a "I ripped my pants!" joke and makes everyone at the beach mad at him.

L466[14:32:35] <Michiyo> gamax92, I just needed to give you a heads up, at some point, I'm going to need to shutdown the VMs, convert the VM images to a new format, and trim them, then transfer them to a backup, kick Victory in the nads... fix the RAID setup I fucked... and transfer it all back.

L467[14:32:36] <Forecaster> shame his name wasn't spongebob spare pants

L468[14:32:51] <Inari> Vicctory?

L469[14:32:57] <Inari> Theres an old game called Victory

L470[14:33:01] <Michiyo> Victory is the Dedicated server

L471[14:33:07] <AmandaC> %choose run or hide

L472[14:33:07] <payonel> i dont understand sponge bob square pants

L473[14:33:08] <MichiBot> AmandaC: run

L474[14:33:27] * AmandaC runs to where nobody would dare look, under Inari's desk

L475[14:33:59] <Temia> %inv add the eye of Nidhogg

L476[14:34:01] * MichiBot summons 'the eye of Nidhogg' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.

L477[14:34:07] <Temia> %inv add the other eye of Nidhogg

L478[14:34:11] <Temia> Aw.

L479[14:34:30] * Temia scratches plans to turn MichiBot into a dragon

L480[14:38:49] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDOPX3QDork#t=1m05s

L481[14:38:51] <MichiBot> Polanie (Pierwsza Misja) [1996] | length: 9m 2s | Likes: 69 Dislikes: 4 Views: 28,600 | by suffer under my gaze of insanity ;p | Published On 15/9/2010

L482[14:38:53] <Inari> The resource in the game is milk xD

L483[14:45:11] <Michiyo> Thankfully doing this will NOT fuck the IP routing up, cause it won't be changing the physical VM location again.

L484[14:45:11] <Vexatos> payonel, heck are you doing :I I can get from Bremen to Munich for €17

L485[14:45:22] <payonel> i have no idea what i'm doing

L486[14:45:53] <Vexatos> also which frankfurt

L487[14:46:17] <payonel> the german one

L488[14:46:20] * payonel runs

L489[14:46:21] <Vexatos> There are two

L490[14:46:23] <Vexatos> :I

L491[14:46:27] <payonel> hahaha

L492[14:46:38] <payonel> it's okay, i actually think i'm going through munich instead

L493[14:46:42] <payonel> vifino: i'm sorry :(

L494[14:47:07] <Vexatos> yup

L495[14:47:15] <Vexatos> Frankfurt -> Munich €17 per adult

L496[14:47:26] <Vexatos> heck is your problem :I

L497[14:47:41] <Inari> Where do you get those prices xD

L498[14:47:51] <Vexatos> https://www.flixbus.com/ ? :I

L499[14:47:56] <Inari> Ah

L500[14:48:01] <Inari> Well I was looking at trains :P

L501[14:48:13] <Vexatos> like, the only decent bus travel company in Germany?

L502[14:49:04] <Vexatos> I fell like payonel just need to learn where to look >_<

L503[14:49:18] <Inari> Well bus and train aren't the same :D I thought he wanted trians

L504[14:49:54] <Vexatos> well trains are expensive though >_>

L505[14:50:01] <Vexatos> and a bus isn't really much slower

L506[14:50:19] <Inari> bus does 3-4 hours between frankfurt nad münchen? :o

L507[14:50:34] <Vexatos> like five hours

L508[14:50:41] <Vexatos> I've been on that line

L509[14:50:50] <Vexatos> It goes all the way from Bremen to Munich

L510[14:50:53] <Michiyo> Temia, Oh man... Nidhogg... ._.

L511[14:51:07] <Vexatos> Nidhogg is not a man! Neither is Temia!

L512[14:51:21] <Temia> Estinien is a man.

L513[14:51:23] <Michiyo> ^

L514[14:51:27] <Temia> c:

L515[14:51:49] <Vexatos> That's not how it works

L516[14:51:56] <Temia> Is it really, though~

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L518[14:52:13] <Michiyo> We wiped the first time on that fight.. lol

L519[14:52:21] <Temia> Same.

L520[14:53:10] <payonel> Vexatos: in japan, you only take bus between small connecting cities, and trains for anything beyond that

L521[14:53:15] <payonel> so that was my bias of assumption

L522[14:53:19] <payonel> anyways, thanks for the info

L523[14:53:20] <Vexatos> You do that in Germany too

L524[14:53:24] <Temia> People didn't stack well enough for Akh Morn, so it was down to just the tanks. I ended up spamming 1-2 riot blades and clemency to keep the DRK alive in the hopes that we could whittle him down before the next one... didn't. >_> Ten seconds of living dead later and he won.

L525[14:53:31] <Temia> Then again, Nidhogg's all about battles of attrition

L526[14:54:29] <Vexatos> payonel, parts of the German train monopoly that is Deutsche Bahn have gone on strike a bunch of times a couple of years ago so trains were really unreliable for like half a year, that's when bus travel became popular

L527[14:54:36] <Vexatos> it takes longer than a train, but is way cheaper

L528[14:54:36] <Inari> I assume ff14?

L529[14:54:39] <Temia> Yep :D

L530[14:55:14] <Inari> Ah

L531[14:55:17] <Vexatos> And you can still get cheap flights if you are lucky.

L532[14:55:19] <Inari> I'm stil lbusy playing revelation online

L533[14:55:26] <Temia> I admit, as much as I was not a fan of Ishgard in general, the closure to the Dragonsong War was pretty exhilirating

L534[14:55:53] <Vexatos> <-- never played a single FF game but the sound tracks are good :I

L535[14:56:06] <Michiyo> heh, yeah we had a DRK, and me as a WAR..

L536[14:56:09] <Michiyo> good times.

L537[14:56:19] <Inari> Talking of soundtrack

L538[14:56:19] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ForHMX-xs <3

L539[14:56:20] <MichiBot> FFXIV OST Limsa Lominsa Day Time Theme ( I Am the Sea ) | length: 6m 5s | Likes: 480 Dislikes: 4 Views: 115,658 | by Mekkah Dee | Published On 7/5/2014

L540[14:56:43] <Vexatos> payonel, what are you even trying to do >_<

L541[14:56:52] <Vexatos> going from Frankfurt to Germany

L542[14:56:55] <Vexatos> Munic*

L543[14:56:55] <Vexatos> dammit

L544[14:57:02] <Vexatos> It's getting alte again

L545[14:57:04] <Forecaster> xD

L546[14:57:04] <Vexatos> late

L547[14:57:05] <Temia> FFXIV has some pretty nice music :D

L548[14:57:05] <Vexatos> ok

L549[14:57:46] <Temia> Gods, if I hadn't blown my Hallowed Ground on the first Akh Morn in that fight, we might've been able to make it...

L550[14:58:13] <Vexatos> I didn't know people actually still play that game :I

L551[14:58:40] <AmandaC> Watching people talk about MMOs is funny

L552[14:58:57] <Temia> Are you kidding? The game's so packed they had to introduce hard AFK timeouts and forced resets when they released the newest expansion

L553[14:59:15] <AmandaC> It's similar to sports, but more complex.

L554[14:59:25] <Temia> Even now, after population rebalancing incentives, there are still servers so packed that they won't allow new registrations or transfers to them

L555[15:00:04] <Inari> AmandaC: Hmm dunno

L556[15:00:14] <Inari> most people talking about sports tend to not actaully do the sports

L557[15:00:20] <Michiyo> We just made it to Gyr Abania a bit ago.. then turned around and left to go level low classes... lol

L558[15:02:15] <Inari> I've never actaully got high enough in ff14 to do the dungeons :P So I can't compare them to the ones from REvelation

L559[15:03:10] <Temia> My Balmung character has made inroads to Gyr Abania and Othard -- I'm holding back on my Malboro one until I can complete the existing raid and trial content

L560[15:03:18] <Temia> (Already have Alexander under my belt, that was fun)

L561[15:06:53]

<Kodos> How much of the actual FF universe does FF14 touch on?

L562[15:10:44] <payonel> are you there on the 14th or the 22nd?

L563[15:11:23] <Temia> Quite a bit, actually.

L564[15:11:36] <Michiyo> I sat in a queue for Alexander for 8 hours.

L565[15:11:53] <Temia> I joined a friendly company's marathon of it, myself

L566[15:11:58] <Michiyo> didn't try cross server though..

L567[15:12:35] <Temia> Kodos, not only are there a huge number of topical references, cameos and callbacks (especially to VI), but there are actually points in the lore that hint at a connection between the other continuities.

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L569[15:13:42] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ew7ehd1s6k ~

L570[15:13:43] <MichiBot> Revelation Online 天谕 - A Tour in Beautiful Fantasy World (CN) | length: 4m 9s | Likes: 41 Dislikes: 2 Views: 9,579 | by MMOJACKX57 | Published On 12/6/2015

L571[15:14:26] <Temia> On the note of callbacks, the Garlean Empire is the world's leading authority on Magitek, and they have built various machines both manned and unmanned, including the eponymous Magitek Armour classes "Reaper" and "Predator", based on the concept and in-game design for those of FFVI respectively.

L572[15:15:05] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ILvmS8Y7M xD this is so cheesy I love it

L573[15:15:06] <MichiBot> Revelation Online 天谕 - New Fashion Schools Update Trailer | length: 1m 53s | Likes: 47 Dislikes: 8 Views: 4,862 | by MMOJACKX57 | Published On 28/9/2016

L574[15:15:09] <Kodos> If I enjoyed FF7 and 5 the most, would I like 14?

L575[15:15:52] <Temia> Hmm... Possibly. There exists a Krile (and existed a Galuf, past tense) in 14, and Gilgamesh himself shows up in the Hildibrand questline.

L576[15:16:51] <Temia> As well as lore of split worlds, the presence of the aetherial realm analogous to the Lifestream...

L577[15:17:53] <Temia> There is a job system as well, allowing you to pick up anything without having to commit to just one

L578[15:20:45] <Kodos> Ugh, just looked at the spec requirements, nevermind

L579[15:21:29] <Temia> Sorry :/

L580[15:22:05] <Temia> If you happen to have a PS4, it uses the same servers as the PC game

L581[15:23:55] <Inari> %pet AmandaC

L582[15:23:55] * MichiBot pets AmandaC with a zero width space. AmandaC recovers 2 health!

L583[15:29:51] <vifino> payonel: lrn2proper transport

L584[15:29:51] <vifino> make sure to go through frankfurt :v

L585[15:30:53] <payonel> vifino: sorry, frankfurt was on the plans for saving money. but tickets changed price significantly since yesterday

L586[15:30:58] <payonel> so, to munich

L587[15:31:04] <payonel> i have the tickets though!

L588[15:31:24] <gamax92> Michiyo: Alright

L589[15:31:34] <Michiyo> I'll give you warning before I do it

L590[15:31:55] <Michiyo> I'm also going to try to FIX THIS FUCKING STUPID SLOW NETWORK PERFORMANCE.

L591[15:31:59] <vifino> payonel: :<

L592[15:32:10] <Michiyo> Victory gets 900 down 500 up....

L593[15:32:20] <Inari> mbps?

L594[15:32:22] <Michiyo> Hekate gets 400 down, 100 up... on good tries...

L595[15:32:26] <Michiyo> on bad tries it gets 100/100

L596[15:32:27] <Michiyo> yes

L597[15:32:34] <Inari> Doesn't sound too bad

L598[15:32:49] <Michiyo> and interserver transfers are around 22 kb/s

L599[15:32:57] <Inari> Now thats slow :P

L600[15:32:59] <Michiyo> also... establishing a connecting can take a bit..

L601[15:33:15] <Michiyo> but performance wise.. the server is fine.. ._.

L602[15:33:25] <Michiyo> no swap.. CPU usage is like 30/40%

L603[15:33:30] <Inari> Ever figured out that odd cpu drain?

L604[15:33:32] <Michiyo> RAM us 60ish~

L605[15:33:42] <Michiyo> s/us/is/

L606[15:33:42] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> RAM is 60ish~

L607[15:33:59] <Michiyo> cpu drain?

L608[15:34:08] <Inari> You had high cpu usage on some server

L609[15:34:10] <Inari> Or so

L610[15:34:21] <Michiyo> Oh...

L611[15:34:24] * Michiyo shrugs

L612[15:34:29] <Michiyo> CPU seems ok everyone atm

L613[15:34:43] <vifino> s/one/where/

L614[15:34:43] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> CPU seems ok everywhere atm

L615[15:34:47] <gamax92> Temia

L616[15:34:52] <Michiyo> thanks.

L617[15:34:54] <Inari> It's late, Michiyo can't type anymore

L618[15:35:00] <Michiyo> it's 3:3o :P

L619[15:35:02] <Michiyo> ...

L620[15:35:03] <Michiyo> 3:30

L621[15:35:05] <Michiyo> ._.

L622[15:35:07] <vifino> 3o3

L623[15:35:07] <Michiyo> PM

L624[15:35:08] <Inari> See

L625[15:35:21] <Inari> now AM would make more sense :P

L626[15:35:33] * Inari yawns

L627[15:35:51] <vifino> Inari: oh come on, it's half 11

L628[15:35:58] <gamax92> Temia: The only FF game I played was FF8 and only very little of it because my discs or my copy was bad

L629[15:35:59] <Inari> So?

L630[15:36:02] <Inari> I'm sleepy :f

L631[15:36:10] <vifino> you're not allowed to. :v

L632[15:36:22] <Inari> Even thouhg I slept in till like 11

L633[15:38:17] <gamax92> yeah network is weirdly slow on the vms

L634[15:39:24] <Michiyo> yeah.. I'm not exactly sure what the issue is.. but when I convert the vm disks and trim... I'm going to poke at hekate a bit and try to figure it out before I bring them back up

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L636[15:40:08] <samohovets> Hi Guys

L637[15:40:11] <samohovets> I have a problem

L638[15:40:21] <Forecaster> %hello

L639[15:40:21] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.

L640[15:41:16] <samohovets> Im using 1.12.1 with Forge, trying to connect ic2 wires to Power Converter, and it won't connect? dafaq?

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L642[15:41:55] <Inari> No fever arrived quietly

L643[15:42:26] <samohovets> Im using industrialcraft-2-2.8.16-ex112 with OpenComputers-MC1.12.1-1.7.0.4.jar

L644[15:42:31] <samohovets> What the hell?

L645[15:42:33] <samohovets> Help please

L646[15:42:47] <Michiyo> It's possible that the *alpha* of OC for 1.12 doesn't have all of the mod compat in...

L647[15:42:52] <Michiyo> cause... it's an alpha...?

L648[15:42:55] <Vexatos> IC2 support hasn't been added back yet :P

L649[15:42:59] <Michiyo> boom.

L650[15:43:01] <Vexatos> It's not even hard to do

L651[15:43:15] <Vexatos> Just need someone with the time to uncomment a couple of lines :I

L652[15:43:49] <Kodos> Show me which ones and I'll PR it

L653[15:44:08] <Vexatos> that's not how it works

L654[15:44:17] <Vexatos> "uncomment" = "uncomment and test :I"

L655[15:47:02] <samohovets> But IC at RELEASE branch

L656[15:47:12] <samohovets> okay

L657[15:47:22] <Xal> How about I uncomment and /tell/ you I tested it

L658[15:47:34] <Michiyo> yes... IC is at release, but OpenComputers is not.

L659[15:47:35] <samohovets> And now how can i power my computer in minecraft?

L660[15:47:46] <Vexatos> anything that supports forge energy :I

L661[15:47:56] <samohovets> Any suggest?

L662[15:47:58] <Michiyo> so any GOOD energy system.

L663[15:48:06] <Vexatos> IC2 is the better energy system

L664[15:48:09] <Michiyo> :P

L665[15:49:04] <samohovets> Anything except IC?

L666[15:49:07] <samohovets> No?

L667[15:49:12] <Vexatos> anything that supports forge energy :I

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L669[15:50:16] <Xal> I hate this push to unify all the energy systems

L670[15:50:18] <Kodos> TechReborn supports FE

L671[15:50:32] * gamax92 supports FE

L672[15:50:36] <Kodos> Xal, it's Forge's fault for trying to start a standard

L673[15:50:49] <Xal> It just ends up glossing over all the portions of each individual system and remove the parts that make them fun

L674[15:50:51] <Kodos> something something xkcd

L675[15:50:52] <Vexatos> There is a standard? >_<

L676[15:51:01] <gamax92> something something 14

L677[15:51:02] <Xal> Rotarycraft has a super cool energy system

L678[15:51:09] <Vexatos> The forge thing was just to get rid of three different implementations of the RF system

L679[15:51:10] <Kodos> RotaryCraft is ass

L680[15:51:12] <Vexatos> Now there's only two

L681[15:52:13] <Xal> Kodos: but it's the only one that gets a 2 dimensional power system right

L682[15:52:22] <Vexatos> IC2 has one too >_>

L683[15:52:37] <Vexatos> Also RTC doesn't get it right

L684[15:52:38] <Vexatos> at all

L685[15:52:40] <Xal> Yeah but it's an ugly mess

L686[15:52:44] <Vexatos> torque has no orientation

L687[15:52:47] <Vexatos> ...

L688[15:52:48] <Kodos> Vexatos, did RTC ever fix the OC shit

L689[15:52:48] <Vexatos> have

L690[15:52:49] <Vexatos> you ever

L691[15:52:50] <Vexatos> once

L692[15:52:57] <Vexatos> looked at RotaryCraft's power system

L693[15:53:02] <Vexatos> you haven't

L694[15:53:08] <Vexatos> otherwise you would not call IC2's ugly

L695[15:53:10] <Vexatos> or a mess :P

L696[15:53:26] <payonel> i'm so excited to go to germany!

L697[15:53:27] <Vexatos> Kodos, there's a config option but it doesn't work because he commented out the line that fixes it

L698[15:53:30] <Xal> Are you talking about the implementation or game mechanics

L699[15:53:30] <payonel> in 4 weeks

L700[15:53:52] <Vexatos> Xal, implementation. Both are about the same in sanity in-game

L701[15:54:01] <Vexatos> payonel, only the bad parts of it though :P

L702[15:54:02] <Kodos> So he still hasn't gotten his shit together? Is he still blaming it on OC or did he at least acknowledge that it's his fault

L703[15:54:16] <Vexatos> He acknowledges that he doesn't care

L704[15:54:16] <Xal> I haven't once looked at ic2 or rotarycraft's internals

L705[15:54:24] <Vexatos> Then don't claim it to be a mess

L706[15:54:25] <Vexatos> or ugly

L707[15:54:28] <payonel> vex, you're the only person that tells me munich is the bad part of germany :)

L708[15:54:31] <Vexatos> because IC2's power system is pretty nice

L709[15:54:36] <Vexatos> payonel, Dresden is :P

L710[15:54:52] <Kodos> IC2's system is great af when you're not being an idiot about setting it up

L711[15:54:59] <Xal> Vexatos: I was talking about the system's consistency from a game mechanics point of view

L712[15:55:08] <Vexatos> It's... pretty consistent?

L713[15:55:09] <payonel> meh, i'm excited for dresden

L714[15:56:06] <Vexatos> Xal, I have no idea what you are talking about >-<

L715[15:56:23] <Xal> Argh. I suppose I just like rotarycraft's energy better

L716[15:56:34] <Vexatos> RotaryCraft is the one with the derpy power system :I How do you even make rotational power when the power has no direction

L717[15:56:38] <Vexatos> err

L718[15:56:40] <Vexatos> no orientation

L719[15:57:03] <Xal> What do you mean?

L720[15:57:21] <Vexatos> Has it ever occured to you that you connect two shafts together and they spin the opposite way around?

L721[15:57:33] <Vexatos> Torque has no sign in Rotarycraft, it's always positive

L722[15:57:36] <Vexatos> that's just stupid :I

L723[15:57:45] <Xal> Eh. There's a little elf in there turning the shafts

L724[15:58:11] <Xal> Giving the torque direction would complicate it without adding a whole lot

L725[15:58:14] <Vexatos> Don't complain about IC2's consistency, ugliness, mess, or "getting a 2 dimensional power system right"

L726[15:58:31] <Vexatos> RTC is the one that doesn't

L727[15:58:33] <Vexatos> :P

L728[15:59:17] <Xal> The point of RTC isn't to be realistic, it's to gate game elements behind certain torque/rotational speed requirements

L729[15:59:30] <Vexatos> ...so exactly what IC2 does ._.

L730[15:59:41] <Xal> I just find the way RTC tiers its energy is more fun

L731[15:59:52] <Vexatos> It tiers it like GregTech

L732[15:59:53] <Vexatos> simple

L733[15:59:56] <Vexatos> use GregTech with IC2

L734[15:59:58] <Xal> Gregtech does an excellent job with the energy tiering as well

L735[16:00:00] <Vexatos> then you have the same power system

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L737[16:00:16]

<Dudblockman> I remember making a dc motor array as a joke

L738[16:00:42]

<Dudblockman> It got... out of hand

L739[16:00:45]

<Dudblockman> Fast.

L740[16:02:18] <Xal> What do you hate so much about RTCs internals, Vexatos

L741[16:02:29] <Xal> I confess I've never been that involved in modding

L742[16:02:34] <Vexatos> look at them once and tell me they're not terrible

L743[16:02:40] <Vexatos> you're either lying or illiterate

L744[16:04:02]

<Dudblockman> I have a feeling vex was at the wrong side of the gas turbine at the wrong time

L745[16:04:44] <payonel> maybe vex dislikes RT because it uses a zero based energy system

L746[16:05:10] <vifino> payonel: will you visit frankfurt anyways? flixbus is so cheap

L747[16:05:19] <vifino> i would like a drink from you, sir :P

L748[16:05:54] <payonel> i haven't filled out the itinerary yet

L749[16:06:01]

<Dudblockman> Maybe it's because the author is... unique

L750[16:06:02] <payonel> i have to figure out where to where to where

L751[16:06:12] <payonel> i just know munich is the start, and i have to visit dresden

L752[16:06:18] <Vexatos> payonel, I like RTC

L753[16:06:27] <Xal> Well. Two things caught my eye: stupid BS license and swaths of commented out code

L754[16:06:29] <Vexatos> for being a mod that doesn't use electrical power for once

L755[16:06:35] <Vexatos> for everything else, it's terrible :P

L756[16:07:02] <Vexatos> @Dudblockman Reika is more than fin

L757[16:07:03] <Vexatos> fine*

L758[16:07:08] <Xal> I was quite excited when I saw RTC on GitHub

L759[16:07:20] <Vexatos> Why?

L760[16:07:26] <Xal> But the bullshit ""visible source"" ruined it

L761[16:07:32] <Vexatos> uh

L762[16:07:35] <Vexatos> why? >-<

L763[16:07:57] <Xal> absolutely

L764[16:08:01] <Xal> PROPRIETARY

L765[16:08:27] <Xal> And also a big ass terms and conditions

L766[16:11:47] <Vexatos> so what?

L767[16:12:28] <Vexatos> that's far from unusual :I

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L769[16:13:04] <Vexatos> A lot of mods are >-<

L770[16:13:30] <Xal> Why even release code if you're going to hinder it's spread with a dumb self-made license

L771[16:14:00] <Xal> If you're worried someone is going to scoop up your code and "take over the mod" just GPL it

L772[16:14:16] <Vexatos> So others can look at it and tell how terrible it is?

L773[16:14:30] <Vexatos> It's how I found out how stupid he is at OC compat

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L775[16:15:12] <Vexatos> better than just keeping the source closed, because fernflower still isn't _that_ good >_>

L776[16:15:21] <Xal> Code isn't self conscious :P

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L778[16:23:55] <Xal> One day a cool looking closed source mod is going to come along and mine Bitcoin on unsuspecting users computers

L779[16:25:11] <Kodos> Assuming that hasn't already happened

L780[16:28:27] <Xal> Brb writing a mod that mines crypto but still functions as a good mod

L781[16:28:53] <Xal> But it will be all right because by using my mod you'll be agreeing to my terms and conditions

L782[16:29:04] <Kodos> Back Soon™ Storm

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L789[16:52:53] <aquilon74> Hello !

L790[16:52:59]

<Kodos> Hello.

L791[16:53:35] <aquilon74> Is there a way to send message from one server to another in the same rack ?

L792[16:56:04]

<Kodos> ~w rack

L793[16:56:04] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/block:rack

L794[16:56:38]

<Kodos> Instructions are there

L795[16:57:14]

<Kodos> Alternatively you could use a network card in each server and link them onto the same side

L796[16:57:31]

<Kodos> Or a linked cardser

L797[16:57:34]

<Kodos> Set

L798[17:02:25]

<Forecaster> How does closed source mod mining bitcoin equal visible source bad

L799[17:04:01] <Corded> * <Kodos> gets the popcorn

L800[17:04:48] <Corded> * <Forecaster> steals some of kodos popcorn

L801[17:06:37]

<Kodos> Get it working aquilon

L802[17:06:52]

<Forecaster> Or else!

L803[17:07:00]

<Kodos> Punctuation is hard

L804[17:07:07]

<Kodos> On mobile anyway

L805[17:07:20]

<Forecaster> ,.!?

L806[17:07:26]

<Forecaster> Three you go

L807[17:07:37]

<Kodos> Sweet! Now I can copypaste

L808[17:07:38]

<Forecaster> There you go

L809[17:07:58]

<Forecaster> Unfortunately that's also hard on mobile

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L811[17:08:26]

<Kodos> Still better than Siri speech recognition

L812[17:09:16]

<Kodos> Just lol at this semicolon no not the word the punctuation you chucklefuck oh of course that works

L813[17:10:07]

<Forecaster> :P

L814[17:10:44]

<Kodos> Just look at this semicolon no not the word the punctuation you chucklefuck oh of course that works

L815[17:20:21]

<MGR> @Kodos *steals popcorn too*

L816[17:20:22] <Michiyo> Siri does half decent for me...

L817[17:23:26]

<MGR> My voice works perfectly for all voice recognition. My mother's does not

L818[17:23:52] <AmandaC> Damn, I guess that wasn't your hut in the woods my agents raided a few days back, then.

L819[17:24:22]

<MGR> What?!

L820[17:25:47] <AmandaC> %choose keep trying to be productive or just lay down and watch anime

L821[17:25:48] <MichiBot> AmandaC: keep trying to be productive

L822[17:25:53] <AmandaC> :(

L823[17:32:46] <t20kdc> if you don't like the answer...

L824[17:32:49] <t20kdc> ...don't ask the question!

L825[17:38:51] <AmandaC> How would I know the answer unless I ask the question?

L826[17:39:30]

<MGR> Ask the question and offer 2 of the same answer!

L827[17:39:42] <AmandaC> %choose stab t20kdc or stab t20kdc

L828[17:39:44] <MichiBot> AmandaC: stab t20kdc

L829[17:39:49] <AmandaC> %stab t20kdc

L830[17:39:49] * MichiBot hits t20kdc with Aperture Wine doing [3] damage

L831[17:44:05] <feep> I went away from my bot for a while

L832[17:44:08] <feep> and now the display is not updating

L833[17:44:21] <feep> this is a little worrying

L834[17:53:10] <feep> is this a known issue?

L835[17:54:32] <Mimiru> what "bot"

L836[17:54:39] <feep> opencomputers robot

L837[17:54:41] <Mimiru> Oh

L838[17:54:42] <Mimiru> :P

L839[17:54:45] <feep> ^^

L840[17:54:45] <Mimiru> umm

L841[17:54:52] <Mimiru> oc/mc version?

L842[17:55:17] <Mimiru> and does it seem to be just the screen?

L843[17:55:31] <feep> 1.6.2.7/1.10.0 (from ftb beyond)

L844[17:55:34] <feep> yes the robot is working fine

L845[17:55:54] <feep> mining out all the minerals in a cave~

L846[17:56:00] <feep> I'm just worried that it'll run out of memory

L847[17:56:05] <feep> it has to keep a giant table of unexplored blocks

L848[17:56:08] <feep> and this cave is very large

L849[17:56:16] <feep> it has 2mb, but that's not that much by that standard

L850[17:56:26] <Mimiru> .7 is the latest 1.10 release... *stabs at Sangar*

L851[17:56:46]

<Kodos> 1.10 is old

L852[17:56:51] <feep> also I seem to lose the ability to type when I disconnect and reconnect, that may be related

L853[17:56:52]

<Kodos> 2 versions old

L854[17:57:03] * feep shrugs

L855[17:57:06] <feep> that's what's in beyond..

L856[17:57:50] <Mimiru> kodon't start that crap... ._.

L857[17:57:55] <Mimiru> kodon't... lol

L858[17:58:01] <feep> haha

L859[17:58:25] <Mimiru> kod[tab].... oh right Discord..

L860[17:58:38] <Mimiru> I REALLY wish Hexchat would let me modify the tab complete list

L861[17:59:06] <AmandaC> I swear there is a way to do that

L862[17:59:14] <AmandaC> if you make them appear in the user list, they should be tab-completeable

L863[17:59:40] <AmandaC> but it's been a good... 3-4 years since I touched hexchat

L864[17:59:44] <Syrren> You could take the Matrix approach and convince esper to let you run an actual 1-to-1 bridge

L865[17:59:45] <Mimiru> I don't see a way to do that

L866[18:00:06] <Syrren> (i.e. 1 IRC user per Discord user)

L867[18:00:41] <AmandaC> It's ugly as hell, you do it by synthesising an event and injecting it. Either joins, or some hidden, internal event/.

L868[18:01:46] <AmandaC> I remember discovering it when splunking the hexchat source for something unrelated, and going "wtfm8?"

L869[18:04:27] <feep> okay, now the robot is just sitting there without doing anything

L870[18:04:33] <feep> and I can't see why

L871[18:04:36] <feep> because the monitor is not updating

L872[18:05:28] <feep> so, you know. that's not great

L873[18:06:47]

<Kodos> Should make your program broadcast short range wireless messages as it's doing stuff and a tablet program to interpret them

L874[18:07:30]

<Kodos> So if something breaks you can see what it's doing code wise or if your program stopped running

L875[18:07:36] <feep> I think it ran out of memory.

L876[18:08:08]

<Kodos> Sounds like you should have it do smaller segments

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L878[18:08:26] <feep> literally impossible, I'm afraid

L879[18:08:32] <feep> though

L880[18:08:38] <feep> can I have more than 2MB of memory if it's not a robot?

L881[18:09:28] <CompanionCube> Syrren: do they have that yet

L882[18:09:43] <feep> cause I think the way to go is just park a server rack down there and remote the bot

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L884[18:12:07]

<Kodos> How is the bot determining where to go currently

L885[18:13:17] <feep> onboard logic

L886[18:17:54]

<Kodos> Are you using a geolyzer or Nav upgrade

L887[18:18:04] <feep> nope

L888[18:18:12] <feep> it just keeps a list of air blocks and uses a*

L889[18:18:57]

<Kodos> That's why you're running out of memory lol

L890[18:19:17] <feep> so .. can I stick more than 2MB in a server

L891[18:19:39]

<Kodos> 4 sticks per blade

L892[18:19:50] <feep> damn, that's not enough to make a practical difference

L893[18:20:03]

<Kodos> And internal networking means you could theoretically do a server farm

L894[18:20:04] <Syrren> CompanionCube: "they" being Matrix and "it" being a Discord bridge? https://github.com/Half-Shot/matrix-appservice-discord https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/17178062-matrix-integration

L895[18:20:28] <Syrren> feep: have you considered an octree?

L896[18:20:28] <CompanionCube> i mean a 1-to-1 esper bridge

L897[18:20:47] <Syrren> yes

L898[18:20:49] <Syrren> https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Bridged-IRC-networks

L899[18:21:02] <feep> Syrren: wouldn't do much, I only explore the surface of the cave

L900[18:21:07] <feep> which is a shape supremely unsuited for an octree

L901[18:21:22] <Syrren> Right. I was thinking of strip-mining.

L902[18:21:54] <Syrren> ...although you'd get 2x2 and 4x4 air nodes reasonably frequently, even in caves.

L903[18:22:18] <feep> is there a really efficient way to save a bunch of number triples in a way that allows reasonably fast checks?

L904[18:22:37] <Syrren> what kind of checks?

L905[18:22:39] <Syrren> set membership?

L906[18:22:44] <feep> yep

L907[18:22:58] <feep> and yeah, I restarted the bot and it's definitely running low on memory

L908[18:23:07] <feep> currently I just turn them into a string and use them as an object key

L909[18:23:07] <Syrren> do you need to be able to remove members from the set?

L910[18:23:10] <feep> yes

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L912[18:23:35] <Syrren> counting bloom filters come to mind

L913[18:23:48] <Syrren> might be too memory-expensive for your robot though

L914[18:24:02] <Syrren> oh. your number triples are coordinates, right?

L915[18:24:06] <feep> yep

L916[18:24:21] <Syrren> okay, that excludes union-find

L917[18:24:28] <feep> it's already down to 513K left :/

L918[18:24:35] <feep> I know how I can double that, but that won't let it explore the entire cave

L919[18:25:24] <Syrren> I guess that the "right" way to deal with this would be to transform sections of your spatial representation into a more abstract cave connection tree

L920[18:26:57] <feep> Syrren: is there an efficient way to turn a number triple into a unique, invertible string key?

L921[18:27:36] <Syrren> are you sure that you need invertibility?

L922[18:27:58] <feep> not super sure, reading

L923[18:28:18] <Syrren> also, spatial bloom filters are apparently a thing http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/22802/4/Palmieri.pdf

L924[18:29:15] <Syrren> admittedly, these are designed for lat/lon positions, not flat-world 3D

L925[18:29:30] <feep> Syrren: no I don't

L926[18:29:37] <feep> I could easily rewrite this to only require one-way

L927[18:29:57] <Syrren> checksums, then.

L928[18:30:08] <feep> gotta be guaranteed uniq tho

L929[18:30:13] <Syrren> sha512 or whatever

L930[18:30:17] <feep> The A* works on keys rn, but I could make it work on coordinates with limited trouble

L931[18:30:58] <feep> aaaa no stop

L932[18:31:02] <Syrren> ?

L933[18:31:03] <feep> don't run out of memory right above the lava

L934[18:31:05] <Syrren> ...

L935[18:31:17] <feep> I stopped it.

L936[18:31:27] <Syrren> :)

L937[18:31:43] <feep> gonna rewrite things to use less ram

L938[18:32:32] <Syrren> tbh you probably want a server-based approach if you're not planning on reinterpreting old data into node-graphs or something.

L939[18:33:08] <Syrren> are you using A* for exploration, or only for returning?

L940[18:33:35] <feep> pseudo-exploration

L941[18:33:41] <feep> I use A* with heuristic of 0 as a hacky floodfill

L942[18:34:00] <Syrren> okay, so you're dealing with an expanding search horizon anyway

L943[18:34:02] <feep> most times, it's very easy to find a close unexplored block

L944[18:34:20]

<Kodos> Doesn't computronics have a creative memory atick

L945[18:34:23]

<Kodos> Stick

L946[18:35:09] <Syrren> I think you don't have to store all those air blocks... instead, store a backwards path (or pointer to same) from every horizon block.

L947[18:35:16] <Izaya> random thought: is there a way to regenerate unmodified but generated chunks?

L948[18:35:51]

<Kodos> As in rebuild or just f3+a

L949[18:36:14] <feep> Syrren: oh, basically dynamic A*?

L950[18:36:34] <feep> hm, store cost per surface block.. not sure if this will be cheaper

L951[18:36:42] <feep> save an A* search tho

L952[18:37:11] <feep> eh, I'll remove one search of memory waste and see how it goes. :)

L953[18:37:46] <Syrren> feep: in this case I'm hoping to save mem by not storing non-horizon blocks, rather than saving time by not repeating the search

L954[18:38:06] <feep> you still need to store non-horizon blocks, so you can find the path back

L955[18:38:18] <Syrren> what kind of non-adjacent sensing capabilities does the robot have?

L956[18:38:26] <feep> forward, up, down :P

L957[18:38:32] <Syrren> that's adjacent :p

L958[18:38:59] <feep> oh

L959[18:39:00] <feep> none.

L960[18:39:08] <Syrren> I was thinking the backward path would be something like "go 5 blocks north, then 10 blocks up..."

L961[18:39:37] <feep> yeah but to be accessible everywhere in the horizon, you still need to store it for all the known-air blocks

L962[18:39:54] <feep> you could never remove air blocks because a newfound path might connect to them and have to find its way from there

L963[18:40:06] <Syrren> store the full path in the horizon

L964[18:41:22] <Syrren> also, if the robot reaches a junction, how are you preventing it from constantly going between the different paths when exploring?

L965[18:41:28] <feep> I'll just see how this version does

L966[18:41:40] <feep> Syrren: A* still returns the shortest path :p

L967[18:41:57] <feep> so every time I discover a new air block, I store the surrounding blocks as "unknown" and then each turn I just path to the closest unknown block

L968[18:42:06] <Izaya> also, a bit late but I don't see discord bridging with a(n arguably superior) competitor like matrix

L969[18:42:13] <feep> it basically does greedy search

L970[18:43:10] <feep> it actually does something even more clever

L971[18:43:13] <Syrren> A* is still vulnerable to Asinus Buridani inter duo prata iirc

L972[18:43:57] <feep> specifically, it searches in a 4d space where the fourth dimension is bot orientation :D

L973[18:44:21] <Syrren> (sorry for judicious Latin, failed at finding the English translation -- found it now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan%27s_ass )

L974[18:44:40] <feep> Syrren: so the bot actually works best while it has plenty of options, cause it can just take the cheapest one

L975[18:45:03] <feep> cleaning up the last few remaining blindspots would be more annoying

L976[18:45:08] <Syrren> when the bot reaches a junction, does it explore one option then the other?

L977[18:45:22] <feep> it doesn't think in terms of options

L978[18:45:30] <Syrren> I mean the emergent behaviour

L979[18:45:31] <feep> the bot just follows the path that minimizes distance to the nearest unexplored block per step

L980[18:45:46] <feep> emergently, I'd expect it to go all the way into option A, then back out

L981[18:45:55] <feep> then maybe back in to get some more blocks

L982[18:46:19] <feep> since it can only see the blocks directly in front of it

L983[18:46:24] <Syrren> yeah, so that gives you a potential junction-detector

L984[18:46:33] <feep> I don't really operate at the level of junctions

L985[18:46:44] <Syrren> for example, "how many times have I visited this tile"?

L986[18:46:46] <feep> hang on, let me git this

L987[18:46:49] <feep> gist*

L988[18:47:01] <Syrren> my point is that if you want to explore BIG caves, you can't afford to store air tiles

L989[18:47:21] <feep> Syrren: that's why I try to stick to the skin of the cave

L990[18:47:42] <feep> https://gist.github.com/FeepingCreature/6d2b00695342ea013a4f75ac7d31182d

L991[18:47:46] <Syrren> you're still storing a lot of extra data, though

L992[18:48:00] <feep> I could probably make the code much more clever

L993[18:48:07] <feep> but ... I don't really want to put in that level of effort.

L994[18:48:32] <feep> :)

L995[18:48:33] <Syrren> that's why I'm trying to suggest relatively-simple approaches :)

L996[18:48:48] * feep digs out the rock and goes look how the bot is doing with the new code

L997[18:49:12] <feep> Ooh, memory is good so far!

L998[18:49:16] <Syrren> :)

L999[18:49:28] <feep> just hit 1k blocks explored~

L1000[18:50:01] <Syrren> is power consumption per tile moved known?

L1001[18:50:18] <feep> I don't know offhand, I just go recharge when I drop below 5k

L1002[18:50:45] <Syrren> I was thinking you could relatively easily track the current cost of returning to recharge

L1003[18:50:57] <feep> yeah, with your "live A*" setup I guess I could

L1004[18:51:03] <Syrren> no need for live A*

L1005[18:51:24] <feep> otherwise'd I need to path to the charger to know the length

L1006[18:51:28] <Syrren> pedometer variable for lack of better terms

L1007[18:51:37] <Syrren> re-check for shorter paths at junctions

L1008[18:51:38] <feep> oh that's fair, but it would massively overestimate the cost to get home

L1009[18:51:44] <feep> ...... that's a very good idea

L1010[18:52:01] <Syrren> this is one of the many reasons why junction detection is important :)

L1011[18:52:09] <feep> count steps, once steps * step_power hits battery do an A* check to update the pedometer

L1012[18:52:16] <feep> nah, no need at all

L1013[18:52:30] <Syrren> I guess that works too

L1014[18:52:51] <feep> I have 60k power tho

L1015[18:52:53] <feep> is good

L1016[18:53:00] <Syrren> when you have, say, a cylindrical tunnel, you're exploring the entire interior surface area, right?

L1017[18:53:05] <feep> yep

L1018[18:53:17] <feep> have to, since I can't see further than 1 block

L1019[18:53:18] <Syrren> for RTB you only need to store one path

L1020[18:53:30] <feep> rtb is really not a significant issue

L1021[18:53:34] <feep> I rtb once in a blue moon

L1022[18:53:43] <Syrren> well, RTB and general pathing actually

L1023[18:54:38] <Syrren> again junction detect comes in -- when junction A to B tunnel is fully explored, replace it with optimal-path data

L1024[18:54:47] <Syrren> then you get hierarchical A*

L1025[18:54:57] <feep> hm, there's a good point here

L1026[18:55:07] <feep> once you have completely explored a closed .... wait, it can't

L1027[18:55:12] <feep> it doesn't know what "closed" is

L1028[18:55:22] <feep> hm

L1029[18:55:30] <Syrren> it won't close the volume until it's got the entire cave

L1030[18:55:34] <feep> you mean, drop "interior" areas?

L1031[18:55:37] <Izaya> what happens if the robot reaches the surface?

L1032[18:55:47] <feep> Izaya: I did light up the cave manually

L1033[18:55:53] <feep> so I know it's closed

L1034[18:56:04] <Izaya> no but

L1035[18:56:10]

<Kodos> Chat improvement mods for 1.7.10 go

L1036[18:56:16] <feep> what happens is the poor little bot goes completely berserk <3

L1037[18:56:21] <Syrren> I don't mean dropping interiors, no -- you're never exploring interiors, aren't you?

L1038[18:56:24] <feep> starts mining all the treees

L1039[18:56:29] <feep> Syrren: I mean interiors in feature space

L1040[18:56:29] <Izaya> would the robot disappear into the sunset, using up all its memory and crash like 50 chunks from where it started?

L1041[18:56:36] <feep> Izaya: hahaha yes <3

L1042[18:57:13] <feep> remove blocks that are known to never be on an optimal path to anything

L1043[18:57:27] <Syrren> that's good too, but my idea was wider than that

L1044[18:57:51] <Syrren> say we have a trivial cave with a shape like *--*

L1045[18:57:53] <feep> I'm just gonna let it rove around for fifteen minutes

L1046[18:58:00] <Syrren> where * are junctions and - is a simple tunnel

L1047[18:58:46] <Syrren> when the -- tunnel is fully explored, A* from * to * and store that path in the junction nodes, and delete the entire volume of --

L1048[18:59:02] <feep> but the optimal path is different for any block on **

L1049[18:59:13] <feep> and keep in mind we're dealing with minecraft caves

L1050[18:59:22] <feep> tunnels are actually like 4x4 blocks wide

L1051[18:59:29] <Syrren> yeah, I realise

L1052[18:59:37] <Syrren> I'm not assuming single-block tunnels, no

L1053[18:59:43] <feep> so I think known/unknown space is better modelled as the surface of a sort of deformed sphere

L1054[19:00:05] <Syrren> the idea is that all junctions * are traversable trivially

L1055[19:00:13] <Syrren> ...can the robot fly?

L1056[19:00:42] <feep> it *can*, but I'm specifically trying not to

L1057[19:01:03] <feep> to avoid the amount of airblocks to track, try to get down to surface, not volume

L1058[19:01:06] <Syrren> sure.

L1059[19:01:07] <feep> reduce*

L1060[19:01:20] <feep> but yes, it has the 64 blocks flight height upgrade

L1061[19:01:47] <Syrren> if we define a junction as a spheroid volume where every air tile on the outer surface is line-of-sight reachable from every other, then you don't need more than one optimal path from junction to junction

L1062[19:01:59] <feep> this sounds super complicating.

L1063[19:02:17] <feep> again, "pathing" is really not a major issue

L1064[19:02:17] <Syrren> well, yes, hierarchical A* is hard

L1065[19:02:26] <Syrren> storage is your major issue

L1066[19:02:31] <feep> for where we've been

L1067[19:02:34] <feep> and where we need to go

L1068[19:02:48] <feep> that I can pathfind off that info is just a happy side effect

L1069[19:03:14] <Syrren> hm.

L1070[19:04:35] <feep> gonna go look how the robot is doing~

L1071[19:04:40] <Syrren> I'm not seeing a nice solution other than switching away from breadth-first search

L1072[19:04:59] <feep> where are you, bot...

L1073[19:06:25] <feep> I HEAR IT MINING

L1074[19:06:29] <Syrren> :P

L1075[19:06:36] <feep> ... underneath the lava...

L1076[19:06:37] <feep> god damn

L1077[19:06:40] <feep> at least it's indestructible

L1078[19:07:08] <Syrren> ...haha

L1079[19:08:13] <feep> let's hope it makes it back out before it runs out of ram

L1080[19:09:31] <Syrren> feep: I assume OC lets you track free mem?

L1081[19:09:34] <feep> yep

L1082[19:09:39] <feep> it's part of my status display

L1083[19:09:47] <feep> which is why it was so annoying when the monitor stopped working

L1084[19:10:04] <Syrren> treat it like battery charge

L1085[19:10:11] <feep> probably a good idea

L1086[19:10:12] <Syrren> i.e. RTB when remaining_mem < safe

L1087[19:10:18] <feep> mm

L1088[19:10:22] <feep> todo!

L1089[19:10:39] <feep> hm, it's stopped mining ... I really hope that means it's on its way back

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L1091[19:13:24] <feep> Found it!

L1092[19:13:34] <feep> memory not even halfway gone~

L1093[19:13:44] <feep> and it found some diamonds~

L1094[19:13:57] <feep> up to 3.7k blocks explored

L1095[19:19:30] <feep> it's nice how much having a jetpack near-trivializes falling into lava

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L1097[19:27:11] <feep> okay, it's about halfway through its memory and I started forty minutes ago

L1098[19:27:16] * feep walls himself in and watches youtube

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L1100[19:45:17] <feep> got out of range and back into range, the monitor broke again

L1101[19:47:57] <Izaya> RIP

L1102[19:48:36] <feep> restarted... back in my waity corner

L1103[19:48:43] <feep> also fixed a bug in the battery code while I was at it

L1104[19:48:51] * feep fullscreen youtube again

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<Kodos> I wonder if a custom redraw function would fix that happening

L1108[20:21:35] <feep> I do term.clear() in the main loop, and the screen doesn't end up cleared

L1109[20:21:42] <feep> so idk what would help

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L1112[20:32:02] <feep> hm.

L1113[20:32:06] <Beeskee> How're folks tonight?

L1114[20:32:07] <feep> it appears to have silently crashed.

L1115[20:32:09] <feep> but ... why!

L1116[20:32:20] <feep> it's not oom!

L1117[20:32:26] <feep> this is the worst!

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L1123[20:49:11] <feep> I should really switch to SMA*

L1124[20:55:36] <Syrren> feep: SMA* only makes sense if you're pathing

L1125[20:58:41] <feep> I think it died from oom trying to return to spawn

L1126[20:58:47] <Syrren> :(

L1127[20:59:07] <feep> it had 1MB left, so that was a bit strange

L1128[20:59:15] <Syrren> it might have decided to explore a shorter path

L1129[20:59:26] <Syrren> (and thus explored more nodes, consuming more memory)

L1130[20:59:30] <feep> I've switched to static-weighted A*, for now

L1131[20:59:42] <feep> idk how much that'll help tho.

L1132[21:00:17] <Syrren> forbid exploration when at risk of oom?

L1133[21:00:39] <feep> no, it died during *homing*

L1134[21:00:47] <Syrren> 11:29:15 <Syrren> it might have decided to explore a shorter path

L1135[21:00:51] <feep> exploration is cheap on memory, cause it overwhelmingly gets very short paths

L1136[21:01:12] <feep> what I should do is switch to sma

L1137[21:01:18] <feep> and if it fails, do a random movement and repeat

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L1140[21:23:34] <feep> hee

L1141[21:23:39] <feep> I break out of my hidey hole to go check on the robot

L1142[21:23:42] <feep> and it just came home to charge~

L1143[21:23:46] <feep> hi little robot!

L1144[21:24:16] <feep> it even still has half its ram left after 5295 blocks explored

L1145[21:25:51] <Beeskee> Nice

L1146[21:26:03] <feep> it's fun to watch it go~

L1147[21:26:11] <feep> oh, feature request: module that increases robot speed pls.

L1148[21:32:11] <feep> feature request: entities standing on a robot should be carried along as it moves

L1149[21:43:30] <CompanionCube> so i installed OCEmu from the AUR

L1150[21:43:33] <CompanionCube> it segfaults

L1151[21:43:59] <CompanionCube> oh, no argument

L1152[21:45:36] <Xal> pls dont blindly trust AUR pkgbuilds

L1153[21:45:36] <Xal> it hurts me

L1154[21:45:55] <CompanionCube> Xal: i read it during install

L1155[21:46:13] <Xal> Phew

L1156[21:47:04] <Xal> Telling yaourt to blindly trust all pkgbuilds makes me cringe so hard it hurts

L1157[21:47:20] <Xal> But that's the arch community for ya

L1158[21:47:48] <CompanionCube> lol yaourt

L1159[21:48:19] <Xal> lol arch

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L1161[21:48:44] <CompanionCube> Xal: i can go weirder

L1162[21:49:20] <Xal> ?

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L1164[21:49:43] <Izaya> CompanionCube: it's broken because gamax is still using outdated gcc

L1165[21:49:56] <gamax92> you what

L1166[21:50:13] <Izaya> you said the reason stuff is broken is because you were using an older gcc than arch uses, no?

L1167[21:50:20] <gamax92> it's broken because luaffifb won't fix their bug with gcc 7

L1168[21:50:50] <gamax92> CompanionCube: https://www.tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2017-June/040192.html

L1169[21:50:54] * CompanionCube just installs it in the ubuntu area instead

L1170[21:51:15] <Izaya> yeah works fine on debian 8 and 9

L1171[21:51:25] <Izaya> just vm/container + x11 forwarding

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L1173[21:52:22] <CompanionCube> Izaya: or 'brc ubuntu' ;)

L1174[21:52:35] <Izaya> >ubuntu

L1175[21:52:37] <Izaya> >ever

L1176[21:52:54] <CompanionCube> i happened to have it lying around so i assimilated it like the borg

L1177[21:53:24] <Izaya> s/Companion/Borg/

L1178[21:53:25] <MichiBot> <gamax92> BorgCube: https://www.tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2017-June/040192.html

L1179[21:53:31] <Izaya> oops

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L1181[22:06:32] <feep> it died on homing again.

L1182[22:06:46] <feep> I *really* need to implement SMA* :/

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L1187[22:24:54] <Syrren> feep: can you trap oom?

L1188[22:25:53] <Izaya> don't think so

L1189[22:27:33] <feep> not afaik

L1190[23:28:30] <gamax92> someone made a neural network to drive a car in gta v

L1191[23:29:45] <gamax92> it's uhh ... pretty bad to be honest, crashes into everything

L1192[23:31:47] <gamax92> gets stuck on walls too

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L1195[23:46:45] <feep> hm

L1196[23:46:49] <feep> I COULD cheat

L1197[23:46:54] <feep> run the explorer program on a server

L1198[23:47:15] <feep> communicate over htpt

L1199[23:47:17] <feep> http*

L1200[23:49:39] <feep> but I think I'll just finish this cave up manually.

L1201[23:50:24] <Izaya> gamax92: I think it only sees in black and white

L1202[23:50:32] <Izaya> also, everyone crashes into everyting in GTA V