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L2[00:49:05] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/3aXQ28M.png
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L4[00:55:42] <Izaya> maybe I should modify the loader for this so if it detects it's running from a tape rather than running from the tape and using lots of memory it copies itself to /tmp and runs
L5[00:55:43] <Izaya> eh
L6[00:55:58] <Izaya> rather than running from a filesystem*
L7[01:02:08] <LaserEyeRemoval> do you think it would be worth it to write a more secure version of some of the common network apis and softwares for oc (potentially with cooperation of the author, if not I can release my own)
L8[01:03:39] <LaserEyeRemoval> like a more secure dns that cant easily be hijacked
L9[01:03:49] <LaserEyeRemoval> through a spoofing type attack
L10[01:04:20] <Izaya> there's a lot of existing such things but I'm yet to see any in use
L11[01:04:50] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah there are stuff like dns but they arent secure
L12[01:05:36] <LaserEyeRemoval> It isnt difficult to have a rogue dns server for example, all you need to do is connect before the real one does
L13[01:05:53] <LaserEyeRemoval> or with computronics, spoof a packet
L14[01:06:28] <Izaya> true enough
L15[01:06:35] <LaserEyeRemoval> and you now control it
L16[01:06:41] <LaserEyeRemoval> and can do very malicious things
L17[01:06:43] <Izaya> like I said though, haven't seen any of it in use
L18[01:06:50] <LaserEyeRemoval> dns or exploits
L19[01:07:00] <Izaya> DNS
L20[01:07:36] <LaserEyeRemoval> any major networking programs that are used a lot in oc that I should look into
L21[01:07:56] <Izaya> I mean there's the net disk but I dunno if anyone uses that either
L22[01:07:57] <Xal> LaserEyeRemoval: we need oc-ssl
L23[01:08:04] <Xal> or oc-tls, rather
L24[01:08:08] <Izaya> most of the time I see people rolling their own everything save OpenOS
L25[01:08:58] <LaserEyeRemoval> I'll work on that
L26[01:09:05] <LaserEyeRemoval> that seems like a worthwhile project
L27[01:09:46] <LaserEyeRemoval> it would need to be decentralized though (cant count on any certificate authorities)
L28[01:10:49] <Xal> how are you going to make it decentralized?
L29[01:11:06] <Xal> CAs are the backbones of the 'net's public-key infrastructure
L30[01:11:09] <LaserEyeRemoval> thats a tough question
L31[01:11:41] <LaserEyeRemoval> it will have to be very different from tls in that regard
L32[01:12:26] <Xal> how, may I ask, do you plan to implement something without CAs
L33[01:12:31] <Xal> I don't think it's possible save for a web-of-trust or moonmath like IBE
L34[01:13:54] <LaserEyeRemoval> it could be like the way ssh works
L35[01:14:21] <Izaya> maintain your own trust?
L36[01:14:25] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah
L37[01:14:33] <LaserEyeRemoval> need to think of a better way though
L38[01:14:36] <Izaya> well, it'd stop spoofing
L39[01:14:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> but it could work
L40[01:14:45] <Izaya> once you've connected, anwyay
L41[01:14:50] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah
L42[01:14:56] <LaserEyeRemoval> its better than nothing
L43[01:15:12] <Xal> LaserEyeRemoval: maintaining your own trust is tricky and prone to errors. probably best to avoid it
L44[01:15:18] <Xal> case in point: pgp
L45[01:16:17] <Xal> I would love to see an opencomputers PKI
L46[01:19:31] <LaserEyeRemoval> I'll give it a try
L47[01:19:57] <Xal> well let me know if you wanna nerd out about crypto stuff
L48[01:19:58] <LaserEyeRemoval> now ideally it should work without any required chips or anything but a t1 computer
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L50[01:20:01] <Xal> I can't get enough of it
L51[01:22:00] <LaserEyeRemoval> so I will need to implement an encryption algo in lua
L52[01:22:10] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/r6PjG36.png \o/
L53[01:23:47] <Izaya> the PsychOS filesystem API is working now \o/
L54[01:24:17] <LaserEyeRemoval> nice
L55[01:24:49] <Xal> LaserEyeRemoval: I'd imagine you'll first have to implement an arbitrary precision integer library
L56[01:25:11] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah, likely
L57[01:25:31] <LaserEyeRemoval> so for basic requirements
L58[01:26:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> it needs to be fast enough to be able to be practical even for a very slow computer, say a barebones t1 computer
L59[01:27:51] <Xal> if you aren't going to use any special hardware you're going to want to eschew using the multiplicative group of integers
L60[01:28:06] <Xal> you'll want to use elliptic curve-related shenanigans
L61[01:29:01] <LaserEyeRemoval> good idea
L62[01:29:17] <Xal> but then you've got more moon math ;D
L63[01:30:47] <LaserEyeRemoval> we need to define specification requirements
L64[01:31:30] <Izaya> ah, the wonders of OS development: I have a script that wgets the latest kernel, copies it to /tmp and reboots, easily accessible from one key once OpenOS boots
L65[01:31:42] <LaserEyeRemoval> nice
L66[01:32:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> okay, so a t1 cpu can make 0.5 calls a tick
L67[01:33:20] <Xal> hello timing attacks
L68[01:33:24] <LaserEyeRemoval> and every line of code has a 12 ms delay
L69[01:33:34] <LaserEyeRemoval> yep
L70[01:33:43] <LaserEyeRemoval> its a problem
L71[01:33:53] <Xal> not if it's done right ;)
L72[01:34:17] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah, it can be fixed
L73[01:35:17] <LaserEyeRemoval> a tick is 50ms
L74[01:35:28] <LaserEyeRemoval> server time, not real time
L75[01:35:35] <LaserEyeRemoval> as there will be server lag ofc
L76[01:37:21] <Izaya> guess now that I have a filesystem working I should write an editor
L77[01:37:27] <LaserEyeRemoval> and what is a reasonable standard for the upper limits on what a brute force attack could theoretically constitute (assuming no vulnerabilities in the implementation or algorithm are found)
L78[01:37:45] <LaserEyeRemoval> well it probably is more than 1 computer
L79[01:38:06] <LaserEyeRemoval> but based off of the config, there is a limit to how many computers can run at once
L80[01:38:34] <Xal> symmetric ciphers won't be a problem. they're fast and it isn't reasonable to brute force them
L81[01:38:50] <Xal> rc4 is like 4 lines of code and secure for most purposes
L82[01:39:09] <LaserEyeRemoval> depends on implementation
L83[01:39:48] <LaserEyeRemoval> rc4 is kind of a bad example as its notorious for being insecure in certain terrible implementations (looking at you wep)
L84[01:39:53] <LaserEyeRemoval> but yeah
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L87[01:47:40] <LaserEyeRemoval> minecraft has been around for less than a decade (its questionable whether it even will in the next decade, and due to the fact that the technology for opencomputers
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L89[01:47:54] <LaserEyeRemoval> cpus not ever getting more advanced
L90[01:49:45] <LaserEyeRemoval> it is way more than enough to say that a decade constitutes a timeframe thats enough for a min spec
L91[01:56:50] <LaserEyeRemoval> thats 40 bits of security
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L94[01:59:32] <LaserEyeRemoval> but due to collisions, we need to double that to 80 bits
L95[02:04:13] <LaserEyeRemoval> and other potential vulns
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L97[02:05:11] <LaserEyeRemoval> so we could have 3 standards, like with aes
L98[02:05:16] <LaserEyeRemoval> 80, 96, and 128
L99[02:05:40] <Izaya> ported my old editor to PsychOS
L100[02:05:44] <Izaya> \o/
L101[02:06:26] <LaserEyeRemoval> tomorrow, I need to see if that is feasable
L102[02:06:30] <LaserEyeRemoval> thanks
L103[02:06:32] <LaserEyeRemoval> bye
L104[02:06:39] <Izaya> o/
L105[02:13:57] <CompanionCube> One alternate trust model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergence_(SSL)
L106[02:14:18] <CompanionCube> LaserEyeRemoval: Xal: Izaya: ^
L107[02:15:10] <LaserEyeRemoval> thanks
L108[02:15:11] <LaserEyeRemoval> bye
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L110[02:16:19] <Izaya> 74k mem free on a T1 box
L111[02:16:30] <Izaya> booted from tape
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L113[02:17:36] <Izaya> 90k free booted from /tmp
L114[02:17:44] <Izaya> which roughly fits the 15k kernel
L115[02:32:57] <Izaya> alright, weird bugs galore. wonderful.
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L119[03:29:46] <Skye> Morning
L120[03:31:17] <Izaya> Hai Skye
L121[03:35:48] <Izaya> Skye: I got the filesystem API working 100%, got an editor on there, added some luash utility functions...
L122[03:35:56] <Skye> you're fast
L123[03:37:04] <Izaya> https://a.pomf.cat/kzouoe.webm
L124[03:47:13] <Saphire> Izaya: ...that really reminds me of UEFI
L125[03:47:31] <Izaya> how so?
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L127[03:48:12] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L128[03:48:18] <Saphire> the /fs00/... path
L129[03:48:26] <Izaya> ah
L130[03:48:32] <Izaya> just seemed like a convenient way to do it
L131[03:48:46] <Izaya> also gonna have tape01 and ud01
L132[03:48:57] <Izaya> once I wrote the drivers for tapes and unmanaged drives
L133[03:56:49] <Saphire> glhf making a tape fs
L134[03:59:02] <Izaya> I'm gonna treat it as an unmanaged drive tbh
L135[03:59:33] <Izaya> write the raw device FS first, make it operate on sectors, then wrap the tape in a way that makes it act like it has sectors
L136[03:59:35] <Izaya> ~w drive
L137[03:59:35] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:drive
L138[04:11:38] <Saphire> http://imgur.com/gallery/GzCQ8 heh
L139[04:11:59] <Saphire> ...the best (or worst) thing about that, is that it's true.
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L142[05:16:00] <Forecaster> the secret: interest
L143[05:16:23] <Forecaster> /passion
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L145[05:17:40] <Dustpuppy> hi
L146[05:17:46] <Forecaster> lo
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L150[06:24:15] <Skye> Izaya, so PsychOS will have block FS
L151[06:24:42] <Izaya> I mean it's a nice idea so I don't see why not
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L156[07:41:19] <Inari> Whats with all the travis builds failing anyway
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L159[08:44:55] <MGR> "For months this vital system had been doing its main job while at the same time overseeing Operational Exercise 360 NOSCOPE." -- When military IT tech jailbreaks an important military server to host CS:GO tournaments
L160[08:47:02] <MGR> "Alright, I'll send it out tonight. But I swear to God Jenkins, if you blew up a server to cover up a Counter-Strike party..." -- When that same military tech supposedly lost another server to a mortar strike
L161[08:47:19] <MGR> Oh, he jailbroke and then destroyed 2 separate servers in relation to that first quote
L162[08:56:35] <Izaya> MGR: https://a.pomf.cat/kzouoe.webm
L163[08:59:18] <MGR> What is this a GIF of? I can't currently listen to audio
L164[08:59:24] <Izaya> no audio
L165[08:59:29] <Izaya> it's a demo of sorts
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L167[08:59:45] <Forecaster> gifs don't tend to have audio do they
L168[08:59:59] <Izaya> there's probably an extension for that
L169[09:00:13] <Forecaster> probably
L170[09:01:58] <MGR> What are you demoing? Something with a tape drive, and whatever PsychOS is, but I'm not sure what's going on
L171[09:02:08] <Izaya> PsychOS is my MultICE replacement
L172[09:02:26] <Izaya> it's loading the OS from tape, bringing up a shell, going into the OpenOS disk and editing a file
L173[09:02:41] <Inari> webm can have audio I think?
L174[09:02:58] <AmandaC> indeed, but webm isn't a GIF
L175[09:03:01] <MGR> And why did you rename it?
L176[09:03:09] <MGR> Also, was it a complete rebuild, or just a rename
L177[09:03:14] <Forecaster> for demonstration
L178[09:03:16] <Izaya> Total rebuild.
L179[09:03:21] <Inari> AmandaC: well it says .webm
L180[09:03:22] <Inari> :D
L181[09:03:25] <MGR> And why did you rebuild it?
L182[09:03:37] <AmandaC> Inari: indeed, @MGR is just a silly goose and called it a GIF
L183[09:03:41] <Izaya> I wanted something nicer to work with more of the time
L184[09:03:51] <MGR> Correct, I didn't really know if it was a GIF
L185[09:03:56] <Inari> @MGR you silly goose you
L186[09:04:06] <Izaya> MultICE is great for embedded but not so great for desktop and server usage
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L188[09:04:24] <MGR> Ok
L189[09:05:49] <Corded> * <MGR> mutters that he needs to remember to tweak some GERTi code to look better
L190[09:05:51] <MGR> ~w rc
L191[09:05:51] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:rc
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L193[09:06:49] <MGR> When I run rc.runCommand(program, command, whatever) can the rc program return data through that statement? E.G. local data = rc.runCommand(program, data, whatever) and the command calls return data
L194[09:11:42] <Izaya> muahahaha
L195[09:11:57] <Izaya> I now have a BIOS that loads from tapes and filesystems, and lets me choose which one to use
L196[09:12:56] <tacnuke_> has anyone here ever used OC with mekanism?
L197[09:13:07] <MGR> I have, a little
L198[09:13:19] <MGR> What's your question/problem/situation?
L199[09:14:01] <tacnuke_> can get OC to read any of the energy cubes or the induction matrix
L200[09:14:16] <MGR> Have you tried placing an adapter next to the blocks?
L201[09:14:16] <tacnuke_> using an adapter that is
L202[09:14:34] <MGR> Ah, hmm
L203[09:14:37] <tacnuke_> yes and it is facing the correct way\
L204[09:14:41] <MGR> They don't show up in the components list?
L205[09:14:50] <tacnuke_> not at all
L206[09:15:09] <MGR> Hmmm
L207[09:15:19] <MGR> Energy Cubes are a single block structure, correct?
L208[09:15:38] <tacnuke_> yes and the induction matrix is a multiblock
L209[09:16:04] <MGR> Huh, I'm not sure then
L210[09:16:07] <tacnuke_> i even tried putting the adapter next to a port on the induction matrix
L211[09:24:32] <Michiyo> IIRC you need Computronics
L212[09:24:54] <Michiyo> I may be totally wrong here though, but I'm pretty sure 'Tronics adds lots of methods for mek and other mods
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L214[09:26:29] <MGR> Oh, that may be what's enabling me to use Mekanism....
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L216[09:26:36] <Inari> The nyadoka continues https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGJoX1gUMAA-yh6.jpg:large
L217[09:26:45] <Inari> nice tail/ears
L218[09:28:03] <Inari> payonel / AmandaC https://twitter.com/videocats/status/892375723368960000
L219[09:28:04] <MichiBot> Tue Aug 01 08:25:26 CDT 2017 @videocats: Wait for it https://t.co/Du6iPiC0iT
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L221[09:37:34] <tacnuke_> iirc i tried 'tronics and it mae no difference. im in mc 1.11.2 though so it may have something to do with that
L222[09:42:00] <tacnuke_> yup just checked i have 'tronics 1.6.4.jar which is the latest for mc 1.11.2
L223[09:42:13] <MGR> Hum, that certainly is odd
L224[09:42:26] <MGR> Although, I've never tried to interact with an energy cube
L225[09:43:40] <tacnuke_> it worked for pretty much everything else i tried to read with the adapter
L226[09:43:58] <tacnuke_> so i at least i know im using the adapter correctly
L227[09:45:22] <MGR> Yeah, I didn't really doubt that
L228[09:45:30] <MGR> Maybe energy cubes just don't have methods?
L229[09:45:48] <MGR> Is there a Mekanism issue tracker you can open a report on? The Mek dev probably knows what's going on
L230[09:47:27] <tacnuke_> i have been trying to ask on the mek irc for the past 2 days and have got no response from anyone over there. guess its time to hit up the github and then wait for a long response time
L231[09:48:24] <MGR> Yeah...
L232[09:48:30] <MGR> I feel your pain
L233[09:48:47] <Michiyo> Vexatos, doesn't 'tronics add mek methods?
L234[09:49:49] <payonel> Dustpuppy: i did use my time well last night and just played games, sorry
L235[09:49:57] <payonel> i'll give your code another go today
L236[09:50:00] <Vexatos> Michiyo, mek does itself
L237[09:50:12] <Michiyo> Ah, so yeah, #BlameMek
L238[09:50:25] <Michiyo> What mods do you add methods for then..? lol
L239[09:50:35] <Forecaster> railcraft
L240[09:50:41] <Michiyo> Oh
L241[09:50:43] <Michiyo> k.
L242[09:50:51] <Forecaster> that's the only one I know :P
L243[09:50:58] <tacnuke_> great ty for the sad news vexatos
L244[09:50:59] <Vexatos> Michiyo, https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/tree/1.10/src/main/java/pl/asie/computronics/integration
L245[09:51:19] <Michiyo> "mekanism"
L246[09:51:19] <Michiyo> :P
L247[09:51:28] <Vexatos> that was 1.7.10 only
L248[09:51:33] <Vexatos> and only early versions
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L251[09:52:27] <gamax92> Okay then, suddenly the keyboard won't switch to punctuation layout
L252[09:52:41] * Michiyo sighs at this toner cartridge
L253[09:52:49] <Michiyo> I just had to shake it up to get it to print decently...
L254[09:52:55] <Michiyo> and the boss won't buy more... ._.
L255[09:55:16] <xarses> stop printing?
L256[09:55:33] <Forecaster> print more ink
L257[09:55:40] <xarses> ^
L258[09:56:02] <Michiyo> I can't "stop printing" :/
L259[09:56:03] <Inari> Change to calligraphy with a feather
L260[09:56:09] <gamax92> Create ink from plants
L261[09:56:32] <xarses> you need to craft more ink sacs with the empty cartridge
L262[09:57:05] <xarses> that you harvested from squid in a local river
L263[09:57:09] <Michiyo> ._.
L264[09:57:13] <gamax92> Sorry
L265[09:57:24] <gamax92> For your printer's loss
L266[09:57:48] <Inari> You could also try using blood instead of ink
L267[09:57:50] <Inari> Or chocolate
L268[09:58:10] <Forecaster> just don't print any contracts
L269[09:59:38] <tacnuke_> vexatos have you tried to get OCto interact with an energy cube or induction matrix lately?
L270[09:59:51] <Vexatos> I don't use mekanism
L271[10:00:12] <tacnuke_> fair enough
L272[10:00:23] <Vexatos> which Minecraft version even >-<
L273[10:00:30] <tacnuke_> 1.11.2
L274[10:01:16] <Vexatos> well it is there
L275[10:01:23] <Vexatos> you sure you are on the latest mek version?
L276[10:01:50] <Vexatos> nevermind
L277[10:01:57] <Vexatos> tacnuke_, it has literally been re-added twelve hours ago
L278[10:01:58] <Vexatos> to mek
L279[10:03:08] <gamax92> Hey Vexatos? I need to use MaryTTS and want to interact with it from a non Java program also not over a socket or http server
L280[10:03:17] <gamax92> What do
L281[10:03:25] <Vexatos> make small wrapper java program?
L282[10:04:00] <Vexatos> you can shade all the mary jars into it so it's all in one jar file
L283[10:04:02] <gamax92> But the issue is the server takes 5 seconds to start
L284[10:04:03] <Vexatos> including your interface
L285[10:04:08] <Vexatos> mh
L286[10:04:32] <Vexatos> what exactly are you trying to do >_>
L287[10:04:37] <Vexatos> run command -> get voice? :I
L288[10:04:44] <gamax92> Ya
L289[10:08:42] <gamax92> http over named pipes? :P
L290[10:09:09] <Vexatos> as I said
L291[10:09:14] <Vexatos> single-class java wrapper :I
L292[10:09:24] <Vexatos> read input -> process -> play
L293[10:09:57] <vifino> gamax92: pipes? pipe text in, get wav out?
L294[10:10:18] <Vexatos> yea exactly
L295[10:10:27] <Vexatos> read from stdin in a loop :I
L296[10:10:32] <vifino> with some magic you can pipe it to /dev/dsp if you feel like it too
L297[10:10:38] <gamax92> not from stdin
L298[10:10:40] <gamax92> from named pipe
L299[10:10:47] <Vexatos> or that
L300[10:10:58] <vifino> but that's ugly. :v
L301[10:11:03] <Vexatos> mary itself has a way to writing to a local socket
L302[10:11:07] <Vexatos> not sure why that wouldn't work
L303[10:11:09] <vifino> Temporary files, eww.
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L305[10:11:44] <gamax92> Vexatos: oh.
L306[10:11:47] <Corded> * <Lizzy> pets vifino
L307[10:11:54] <gamax92> well that'll work if it's socket files and not like, internet sockets
L308[10:12:12] <Vexatos> I don't know how it works
L309[10:12:14] <Vexatos> I never used it
L310[10:12:17] <Vexatos> I just read about it >_>
L311[10:13:23] <Vexatos> gamax92, here is an example https://github.com/marytts/marytts-txt2wav/tree/sh
L312[10:13:51] <Vexatos> looks like an internet socket to me
L313[10:13:56] <Vexatos> but whatevs
L314[10:14:46] <gamax92> then I can't use that
L315[10:15:04] <Vexatos> what kind of toaster do you have that doesn't have websockets
L316[10:15:48] <Vexatos> as I said, just write a single class doing exactly the same but reading from whatever other input stream you like >_>
L317[10:16:08] <gamax92> no that's http
L318[10:16:48] <gamax92> Vexatos: because exposed services over ports
L319[10:16:55] <Vexatos> as I said
L320[10:17:00] <Vexatos> write your own class
L321[10:17:03] <Vexatos> I
L322[10:17:05] <Vexatos> do not see the problem
L323[10:17:19] <gamax92> named pipes are not full duplex
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L326[10:26:33] <gamax92> I found a socket command, so stdin it is
L327[10:28:23] <xarses> socat ftw
L328[10:30:14] <gamax92> oh, I forgot about socat
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L330[10:48:19] <Inari> Lizzy: Hows Aven Colony so far? I'm getting mixed views on Steam's reviewsw
L331[10:49:35] <Lizzy> I think it's pretty good, haven't actually looked at many of the reviews on steam, lemme go look
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L333[10:50:48] <Inari> Seems the general complaints are that its too easy/simple and that every level is the asme
L334[10:50:49] <Inari> *same
L335[10:55:03] <Lizzy> hmm, i guess. haven't really gotten that far into lategame yet
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L337[11:06:59] <gamax92> Vexatos: to List<Entry<String, String>> or to Map<String, List<String>> ?
L338[11:08:53] <Lizzy> still, it makes for a few streams at least
L339[11:16:41] <Inari> gamax92: Map ofc
L340[11:16:42] <Inari> :p
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L342[11:17:16] <Inari> Unless perhaps your main mode of iteration will be sequential access
L343[11:17:28] <Inari> Or well your main way of accessing it
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L345[11:28:20] <gamax92> yeah I went with map
L346[11:31:31] <Vexatos> gamax92, HashMultiMap
L347[11:31:36] <Vexatos> :D
L348[11:31:44] <Vexatos> How to java, step 1: Use external dependencies
L349[11:32:11] <Vexatos> HashMultimap, sorry >_>
L350[11:38:07] <gamax92> How to java, step 1: import guava and apache
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L354[11:46:30] <Guest49144> ._.
L355[11:46:41] <Forecaster> :O
L356[11:47:01] zsh sets mode: +o on Guest49144
L357[11:47:51] <Guest49144> hmmm can't change my nick...
L358[11:49:07] <MGR> Hello
L359[11:49:13] <MGR> Oh, wait, nvm
L360[11:49:42] <Temia> That's odd.
L361[11:49:47] <Temia> Maybe you're in a channel that's +m?
L362[11:50:02] <Vexatos> gamax92, exactly
L363[11:50:10] <Vexatos> guava's HashMultimap is so useful :I
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L367[12:53:24] <AmandaC> RIP Guest49144
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L369[12:56:39] <gamax92> A patch to make a patch to then be applied
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L372[13:10:35] <Saphire> AmandaC: poor nobody
L373[13:10:58] <Saphire> ... Also LaserEyeRemoval sound like a dangerous a person
L374[13:11:05] * Saphire hides her eyes
L375[13:11:40] <LaserEyeRemoval> its an xkcd reference
L376[13:11:41] <LaserEyeRemoval> https://xkcd.com/1619/
L377[13:11:42] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Watson Medical Algorithm Posted on: 12/21/2015
L378[13:11:51] <LaserEyeRemoval> and https://xkcd.com/1681/
L379[13:11:51] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Laser Products Posted on: 5/16/2016
L380[13:13:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> Saphire
L381[13:13:54] <Inari> Bam ratatata tatata tatata~
L382[13:14:17] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o good music
L383[13:14:17] <MichiBot> 2NE1 - 내가 제일 잘 나가(I AM THE BEST) M/V | length: 3m 35s | Likes: 1,012,707 Dislikes: 49,570 Views: 184,211,360 | by 2NE1 | Published On 28/6/2011
L384[13:15:59] <Saphire> Inari: Korea now?
L385[13:16:37] <Inari> I've always listened to a variety of music :P
L386[13:21:56] <Inari> I wonder how much politics Princess Principal has
L387[13:23:33] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZkekS8NQU ~
L388[13:23:34] <MichiBot> ERA - Ameno | length: 3m 51s | Likes: 547,157 Dislikes: 20,521 Views: 60,627,555 | by eraofficial | Published On 24/3/2010
L389[13:28:09] <Michiyo> Anyway, I'm back now.
L390[13:28:23] * Michiyo stabs that crappy IRC client I was using
L391[13:30:08] <gamax92> athena must be running on a potato
L392[13:31:01] <Michiyo> No..?
L393[13:31:14] <Michiyo> gamax92, why..?
L394[13:31:45] <MGR> Yay
L395[13:31:50] <gamax92> it takes 5 seconds for the tts server to start up here and a minute on athena
L396[13:31:56] <Michiyo> it's one of 3 machines sharing 16 cores, and 32gb of RAM
L397[13:32:05] <Michiyo> and NONE of them are heavily loaded.
L398[13:32:27] <MGR> Xeon? Or did you get your hands on a Threadripper 1950X ?
L399[13:32:28] <Inari> Bleh
L400[13:32:34] <Inari> Now I recalled an old song I again can't find XD
L401[13:33:16] <Michiyo> Now.. I admit it IS a 2.0GHz cpu.. but I can't afford more.
L402[13:34:01] <Michiyo> ESXi reports 12% CPU usuage avg
L403[13:34:59] <Michiyo> now... it IS sitting at 29.2 of 32GB used.. lol
L404[13:35:12] <MGR> That's a lot of RAM used
L405[13:35:18] <gamax92> oh, yeah was gonna say
L406[13:35:23] <gamax92> it's probably just out of memory and swapping
L407[13:36:55] <Michiyo> If it's swapping.. I'd be surprised...
L408[13:39:31] <Inari> I found it \o/ (or rather, my nii did) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iab9w8GAGI
L409[13:39:32] <MichiBot> IOSYS - 揺れてはじけてあふれちゃう☆魅惑のペンギン娘　1.55倍速electroclash | length: 4m 51s | Likes: 199 Dislikes: 7 Views: 51,948 | by Megamortal | Published On 4/1/2010
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L411[13:43:07] <gamax92> r.i.p
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L415[13:50:50] <Vexatos> Michiyo, how much was that CPU?
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L419[13:51:52] <Michiyo> K, fuck you too hexchat.
L420[13:52:02] <Michiyo> Vexatos, "That CPU"..
L421[13:52:10] <Michiyo> you mean the one in my server? IDK...
L422[13:52:12] <Michiyo> Ask OVH.
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L424[13:53:40] <Michiyo> http://ark.intel.com/products/87039/Intel-Xeon-Processor-D-1540-12M-Cache-2_00-GHz also.. Threads* not Cores, from my last statement.
L425[13:54:52] <MGR> Ah yes, embedded Xeon
L426[13:55:13] <Vexatos> mhm
L427[13:55:59] <MGR> 8C/16T also makes a lot more sense than 16C/32T
L428[13:56:09] <Michiyo> Anyway, this box runs me $109 a month.
L429[13:56:22] <Michiyo> the box I want is $185.. but I'm doing good to afford this.
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L431[13:58:23] <Michiyo> er $164.99 they've went down.. lol
L432[13:58:27] <MGR> I'd like to do hosting, but I have neither the CPU power, nor the Internet for it
L433[14:00:10] <MGR> Maybe in a few years...
L434[14:00:46] <Michiyo> Oooh.. right.. I had to go hard raid..
L435[14:00:49] <Michiyo> so it's $206
L436[14:02:32] <Michiyo> Intel Xeon-D 1540 - 8c/16t - 2.1GHz /2.6GHz
L437[14:02:32] <Michiyo> 128GB DDR4 ECC 2133 MHz with 3x2tb hard raid
L438[14:17:27] <MGR> That's a lot of storage
L439[14:17:30] <MGR> RAID 5 I assume?
L440[14:24:49] <CompanionCube> RAID5 can be risky with large disks
L441[14:25:36] <XDjackieXD> ?
L442[14:25:50] <XDjackieXD> CompanionCube: you drunk?
L443[14:26:49] <CompanionCube> no
L444[14:29:13] <Skye> isn't there a RAID6
L445[14:29:56] <CompanionCube> yes
L446[14:29:57] <XDjackieXD> why do you think that raid5 with large disks is risky? (also 3x2tb isn't large. my nas at home has 4x3tb and that's pretty small)
L447[14:30:34] <Xal> XDjackieXD: array rebuild times are high and the chances of another failiure while the parity data is being recalculated is quite high
L448[14:31:10] <Xal> rebuilding requires reads from all disks, thus opening another avenue for failiure
L449[14:31:19] <XDjackieXD> Xal: not really. the chance of this failure type only really occurs with really cheap (ea wd green) hdds and if all of them are exactly the same age and even then unlikely
L450[14:31:52] <CompanionCube> also, UREs during rebuild are more likely with larger disk sizes
L451[14:32:11] <XDjackieXD> all server HDDs that I know of that failed in the company my dad works for (Siemens) died after a head park :P
L452[14:32:43] <XDjackieXD> and even then: that's what you have backups and hot spares for
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L456[14:35:45] <CompanionCube> O.o
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L465[14:57:31] <LaserEyeRemoval> btw what happens if you a network has multiple swicthes
L466[14:57:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> *switches
L467[14:58:34] <LaserEyeRemoval> suppose, for example that an intruder were to install a hidden switch with a linked card that is linked to his attacking machine
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L469[15:02:35] <CompanionCube> ...
L470[15:04:40] <MGR> LaserEyeRemoval, it acts like another switch
L471[15:04:59] <MGR> What exactly are you concerned/inte rested in?
L472[15:06:06] <Xal> LaserEyeRemoval seems to be having problems with IRC. He's disconnected a few times
L473[15:07:13] <MGR> Ah, thank you
L474[15:07:25] <Cruor> ...a few? .-.
L475[15:07:27] <MGR> If only leaves and joins weren't deleted
L476[15:07:39] <MGR> *cough* Michiyo *cough*
L477[15:08:07] <Cruor> couldnt the bot just delete join/parts that are N seconds old? .-.
L478[15:08:12] <Cruor> discord op op like that :I
L479[15:08:19] <Michiyo> it does, 30 seconds...
L480[15:08:21] <MGR> It does
L481[15:08:23] <Michiyo> because Iwas asked to add that.
L482[15:09:24] <Michiyo> ofc, Forecaster asked me to add that... and hasn't even enabled the relay feature since I added it..
L483[15:09:25] <Michiyo> soooo
L484[15:09:30] <Michiyo> (for another channel)
L485[15:10:28] <Xal> why is there even an #oc discord?
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L487[15:12:32] <Michiyo> Why not..?
L488[15:12:34] <MGR> Xal, because Discord is better
L489[15:13:06] <Cruor> then wtf is the problem? :I
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L491[15:13:53] <CompanionCube> >discord >better
L492[15:13:58] <Xal> absolutely
L493[15:14:00] <XDjackieXD> nope :P
L494[15:14:01] <Xal> proprietary
L495[15:14:06] <XDjackieXD> ^
L496[15:14:13] <MGR> That is irrelevant
L497[15:14:18] <XDjackieXD> and no possibility to host your own server
L498[15:14:33] <Xal> also marketing a "gamer" chat application that runs a chrome instance is a pretty good prank on the work tbh
L499[15:14:44] <XDjackieXD> (had outages of discord for multiple hours once while streaming with a mid size youtuber)
L500[15:14:56] <XDjackieXD> and webrtc? srsly?
L501[15:15:11] <CompanionCube> the backend's good though
L502[15:16:23] <Xal> if only there was free software for voice chat... /s
L503[15:16:39] <MGR> There is...
L504[15:17:22] <Xal> (SARCASM)
L505[15:17:43] <Michiyo> ALERT Athena, 81% RAM usage
L506[15:17:46] <Michiyo> ... lol
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L510[15:50:51] <Izaya> use IRC for chat, mumble for voice. simple.
L511[15:51:27] <Izaya> question is why isn't there an OC mumble server
L512[15:51:48] <Michiyo> Theres an OC Teamspeak 3 server... :P
L513[15:52:26] <Skye> ew
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L516[16:00:34] <Izaya> not quite the same...
L517[16:00:50] <Izaya> better than Discord at least
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L528[16:44:04] <Xal> are there any comparability issues with regards to using the Lua 5.3 architecture
L529[16:44:53] <Izaya> most stuff should work fine
L530[16:45:06] <Izaya> division can be a little flaky
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L532[17:08:31] <payonel> Xal: numbers are different
L533[17:09:26] <Xal> yeah I want to use integers. I was just wondering if it caused compatibility problems with other oc software
L534[17:09:48] <payonel> i know of no lua arch issues for openos
L535[17:10:02] <payonel> though there almost was one
L536[17:10:18] <payonel> gsub pattern matching had a very weird difference
L537[17:10:33] <Xal> how come lua 5.2 is still the default arch?
L538[17:10:37] <payonel> no idea
L539[17:11:00] <payonel> if 5.3 was default, openos would have an additional 5 or 6 K of ram
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L541[17:15:30] <Xal> LaserEyeRemoval: how's oc-tls going? :P
L542[17:19:11] <AmandaC> %wa 5 random digits
L543[17:19:28] <AmandaC> Aww, she doesn't reply here.
L544[17:19:41] <LaserEyeRemoval> working it out, havent had much time but got a good handle on what specs need to be, working out how certificate authority could be done in a way that doable in minecraft
L545[17:19:53] <AmandaC> 18:19:57 <MichiBot> Input interpretation
L546[17:19:53] <AmandaC> 18:19:58 <MichiBot> 5 random | digits
L547[17:19:53] <AmandaC> 18:19:59 <MichiBot> Result
L548[17:19:53] <AmandaC> 18:20:00 <MichiBot> left second toe | left fourth toe | left middle finger | left little finger | left thumb
L549[17:19:56] <AmandaC> fuck!
L550[17:19:58] <AmandaC> Sorry
L551[17:20:49] <Xal> yay! now MichiBot can help me if I need to chose which finger to implant with an rfid chip
L552[17:21:26] <LaserEyeRemoval> lol
L553[17:22:05] <Xal> it would actually be really cool to implant a magnet into a finger but I'd rather not have to dig around inside my hand with a scalpel
L554[17:22:32] <LaserEyeRemoval> also
L555[17:22:48] <LaserEyeRemoval> I found one more reason to not use a data card
L556[17:23:09] <Xal> ecdh/ecdsa requires tier 3, no?
L557[17:23:25] <LaserEyeRemoval> # Hard limit for size of byte arrays passed to data card callbacks. If this
L558[17:23:25] <LaserEyeRemoval> # limit is exceeded, the call fails and does nothing.
L559[17:23:25] <LaserEyeRemoval> dataCardHardLimit=1048576
L560[17:23:27] <LaserEyeRemoval> # Soft limit for size of byte arrays passed to data card callbacks. If this
L561[17:23:29] <LaserEyeRemoval> # limit is exceeded, a longer sleep is enforced (see dataCardTimeout).
L562[17:23:31] <LaserEyeRemoval> dataCardSoftLimit=8192
L563[17:23:33] <LaserEyeRemoval> # Time in seconds to pause a calling machine when the soft limit for a data
L564[17:23:35] <LaserEyeRemoval> # card callback is exceeded.
L565[17:23:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> dataCardTimeout=1
L566[17:23:40] <LaserEyeRemoval> thats one but not entirely
L567[17:23:43] <Michiyo> ._.
L568[17:23:47] <Michiyo> paste.bin.
L569[17:23:58] <LaserEyeRemoval> sorry, will next time
L570[17:24:21] <Michiyo> use the datablock from OpenSecurity, it doesn't have that limit.. :P
L571[17:24:24] <Michiyo> maybe.. in theory
L572[17:24:25] <Michiyo> :P
L573[17:24:33] <LaserEyeRemoval> but that is a potential vulnerability that it would be best to avoid
L574[17:24:46] <LaserEyeRemoval> I want it to work out of the box with no necessary addons
L575[17:24:50] <AmandaC> In my case, I was expecting IRCCloud to pop up the dialog for that, but it didn't want to this time
L576[17:24:52] <LaserEyeRemoval> or even components ideally
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L580[17:34:33] <Xal> Michiyo: what's the opensecurity datablock do?
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L583[17:46:11] <Mimiru> Xal, Data Card, in a block.
L584[17:46:15] <Mimiru> mainly
L585[17:55:27] <Dustpuppy> how can i get a robot to right click down? don't want to swing down to harvest and then place after to reseed. want it in one go
L586[17:55:35] <Dudblockman> Yes
L587[17:55:41] <Dudblockman> Uhh what was it...
L588[17:56:27] <Dudblockman> robot.useDown
L589[17:58:06] <Dustpuppy> ok, will try
L590[17:59:27] <Dustpuppy> cool..it works...thanks
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L592[18:10:55] <Xal> hrm. is there any way to intercept packets sent by modem.send()?
L593[18:11:09] <LaserEyeRemoval> sort of
L594[18:11:23] <LaserEyeRemoval> its limited, as you need a physical tap
L595[18:11:58] <LaserEyeRemoval> but if you can get a switch with a linked card (or spoofing card), then you can intercept
L596[18:12:44] <Izaya> a linked card?
L597[18:12:57] <LaserEyeRemoval> like the intradimensional ones
L598[18:13:08] <Skye> LaserEyeRemoval, waiiiit, how does the spoofing card work in a relay
L599[18:13:23] <Izaya> no I mean you can use it to intercept send?
L600[18:13:57] <LaserEyeRemoval> it shouldnt, but it allows you to do spoofing tricks
L601[18:14:19] <LaserEyeRemoval> to get a man in the middle
L602[18:14:59] <Skye> I wish we could intercept eaisally
L603[18:15:10] <Skye> I want the ability to make custom bridges
L604[18:15:24] <LaserEyeRemoval> its like ethernet packet sniffing
L605[18:15:36] <Skye> I want the ability to make a custom switch
L606[18:16:14] <LaserEyeRemoval> what we really need to make it more realistic is the ability to sniff wireless, that will better encourage actual encryption
L607[18:16:43] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah, you sort of kind with weird hacks entailing switches, linked cards, and packet spoofing
L608[18:16:57] <LaserEyeRemoval> *can
L609[18:17:24] <LaserEyeRemoval> but it feels like using one bug to fix another
L610[18:17:34] <LaserEyeRemoval> or rather unintended feature
L611[18:17:50] <Skye> maybe a... switch card.
L612[18:17:57] <Skye> network card + switch
L613[18:18:09] <Skye> allows the computer to get more than the messages sent to it
L614[18:18:33] <Xal> please YES
L615[18:18:43] <LaserEyeRemoval> I believe that the Vexatos was going to add something like that
L616[18:18:53] <LaserEyeRemoval> after computronics is ported to 1.8
L617[18:19:31] <Xal> tier 3 wireless card has built-in encryption, but... it uses the broken implementation of rc4 wep uses
L618[18:19:58] <Skye> if you want encryption
L619[18:20:00] <Skye> use the data card
L620[18:20:05] <Xal> I want to build an array of servers to hijack someone's mining robot army
L621[18:20:08] <Vexatos> you can spoof sending, you cannot spoof receiving
L622[18:20:19] <Skye> why can't you spoof receiving?
L623[18:20:20] <Vexatos> You cannot simulate it, either
L624[18:20:26] <Vexatos> well
L625[18:20:38] <Vexatos> you can
L626[18:20:43] <Vexatos> I don't want to >_>
L627[18:20:44] <LaserEyeRemoval> how
L628[18:20:49] <Skye> why
L629[18:20:57] <Vexatos> because it makes little sense
L630[18:20:58] <Skye> like I don't see why you're so opposed to it
L631[18:21:10] <Skye> Vexatos, I find the opposite makes little sense
L632[18:21:10] <LaserEyeRemoval> its a perfectly realistic feature that is a part of real world networks
L633[18:21:27] <Skye> OC networks are basically a giant broadcast / collision domain
L634[18:21:41] <Skye> if switches can do it, why not computers
L635[18:21:49] <Skye> I don't like "magic" that just works
L636[18:22:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> you can do it irl extremely easily
L637[18:22:46] <Vexatos> do you think hitting a network card with a brick would allow it to do that :I
L638[18:22:53] <LaserEyeRemoval> and there are ways to mitigiate it so its not op
L639[18:22:54] <Izaya> ocemu is broken with newer gcc and ocvm doesn't print errors, wonderful
L640[18:23:53] <LaserEyeRemoval> it should have some realistic limitations inherent to actual sniffing though
L641[18:23:57] <Skye> Vexatos, ironically, if I was allowed to sniff packets, I could create a more secure network by making proper switches that learn addresses.
L642[18:24:18] <Skye> currently, we have "relays"... which are like ethernet hubs
L643[18:25:40] <LaserEyeRemoval> one reasonable thing is that a card that is sniffing shouldnt be able to send anything (unless you have a second card)
L644[18:26:08] <Skye> why is that reasonable
L645[18:26:09] <LaserEyeRemoval> something like monitor mode irl
L646[18:26:29] <LaserEyeRemoval> I dont mean a crafting upgrade that disables it
L647[18:26:39] <LaserEyeRemoval> more like a function like enableMonitorMode()
L648[18:27:00] <LaserEyeRemoval> which allows it to sniff, but doesnt let you send anything until you disable it
L649[18:27:11] <LaserEyeRemoval> if you want to both send and recieve, you need 2 cards
L650[18:27:17] <Skye> which will be annoying for making custom switches from MCUs
L651[18:27:42] <LaserEyeRemoval> this would only be for wireless
L652[18:28:03] <Skye> all I really want is the ability to do something similar to "bridged mode" on VMs, where I can have a virtual network linked to a real network
L653[18:28:06] * Vexatos sighs
L654[18:28:10] <Vexatos> I'll think about it
L655[18:28:27] <Xal> please please please please please please
L656[18:28:30] <LaserEyeRemoval> ^
L657[18:28:37] <Xal> I want my crypto nerdery to be useful
L658[18:28:38] <Vexatos> I don't like it :I
L659[18:28:51] <Xal> config option?
L660[18:29:11] <Vexatos> Computronics allows you to generate RSA keys :⁾
L661[18:29:22] <LaserEyeRemoval> see, you have an easy mitigation
L662[18:29:27] <Vexatos> (in less than heat-death-of-the-universe)
L663[18:29:45] <LaserEyeRemoval> it will encourage people to actually use crypto
L664[18:30:02] <Xal> mwahaha I will limit the cipher block to 128 bit rsa keys
L665[18:30:17] <Vexatos> it generates 4096bit keys :I
L666[18:30:31] <Xal> in-game integer factorization server clusters are my dream
L667[18:30:31] <Vexatos> ...I think
L668[18:30:34] <Vexatos> it's been so long
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L670[18:34:13] <LaserEyeRemoval> even with a lesser size, you are far more likely to see an attack on the implementation of RSA than RSA itself
L671[18:35:15] <Vexatos> yea
L672[18:35:25] <Vexatos> except I use java.crypto so good luck from inside OC :I
L673[18:35:46] <Vexatos> anyways
L674[18:35:49] <LaserEyeRemoval> I believe the record for brute forcing RSA is 768 bit
L675[18:35:51] <Vexatos> I still don't like it
L676[18:36:13] <Izaya> payonel: can I make ocvm print errors in init.lua/.
L677[18:37:19] <CompanionCube> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/05/307digit_number.html
L678[18:38:32] <LaserEyeRemoval> well 1024 bit
L679[18:38:46] <LaserEyeRemoval> 4096 is, by itself, uncrackable
L680[18:39:18] <Xal> q u a n t u m a n e a l i n g
L681[18:39:26] <LaserEyeRemoval> well with current tech
L682[18:40:02] <Xal> quantum annealing /is/ current tech but isn't quite there yet haha
L683[18:40:17] <LaserEyeRemoval> right now, any attack on RSA 4096 bit is more likely to be an attack on the implementation than RSA itself
L684[18:40:31] <XDjackieXD> are there practical attacks on rsa using quantum annealing?
L685[18:40:51] <Xal> I'd say NSA+NIST backdooring another CRNG is more likely than we're willing to admit
L686[18:40:52] <LaserEyeRemoval> not yet
L687[18:41:07] <LaserEyeRemoval> potentially in the future
L688[18:41:33] <Xal> I got the chance to play with a quantum annealer during an intership
L689[18:41:35] <Xal> was very fun
L690[18:41:50] <LaserEyeRemoval> its definitely beyond the resources of anything less than a nationstate to use for practical purposes
L691[18:42:25] <CompanionCube> isn't annealing not useful for RSA
L692[18:42:38] <XDjackieXD> you can even rent time on quantum annealing machines with multiple thousand qbits...
L693[18:42:45] <XDjackieXD> CompanionCube: that's what I though
L694[18:42:46] <LaserEyeRemoval> and even then, aes-256 (or potentially higher) is reasonably secure against quantum computing
L695[18:42:48] <XDjackieXD> *thought
L696[18:43:02] <LaserEyeRemoval> grovers algorithm can cut the keyspace in half
L697[18:43:03] <XDjackieXD> LaserEyeRemoval: almost all symmetric crypto is quantum proof
L698[18:43:15] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah
L699[18:43:18] <Xal> CompanionCube: right now quantum annealers can factor numbers just around ~200000
L700[18:43:45] <Xal> so yes, one day they might be useful for attacking rsa
L701[18:43:49] <LaserEyeRemoval> aes-256 is secure against quantum computers
L702[18:44:11] <XDjackieXD> Xal: still. annealing is a very specific process and as far as I read it isn't really useful for most crypto cracking stuff
L703[18:44:24] <LaserEyeRemoval> as even if they can build quantum computers with as many operations per sec as the best classical ones
L704[18:44:38] <LaserEyeRemoval> which is an incredible challenge
L705[18:44:46] <XDjackieXD> LaserEyeRemoval: again. symmetric crypto. don't worry about it.
L706[18:44:54] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah
L707[18:45:00] <XDjackieXD> you only really have to care about asymmetric crypto
L708[18:45:09] <LaserEyeRemoval> aes-128 would not be completely secure against quantum computers though
L709[18:45:42] <Xal> XDjackieXD: as long as you can convert the problem into a simulated annealing one you can attack it with a quantum annealer
L710[18:45:50] <Xal> that's a surprisingly large subset of problems
L711[18:46:01] <LaserEyeRemoval> as it is highly unlikely but concievable that it could be cracked
L712[18:46:29] <LaserEyeRemoval> grover algorithm can reduce the keyspace to 64 bits (although there is a massive constant hiding behind it)
L713[18:47:38] <XDjackieXD> LaserEyeRemoval: well yes but for that you need a quantum computer with enough qbits that isn't just a quantum anealer
L714[18:48:00] <XDjackieXD> Xal: ah ok
L715[18:48:21] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah as I said unlikely, but concievable in the next 100 years
L716[18:48:53] <XDjackieXD> LaserEyeRemoval: by then, aes128 will be broken anyways because we got enough computational power to bruteforce it
L717[18:48:57] <Xal> XDjackieXD: the real pain in the ass isn't how many qbits your annealer has, but how the couplers are arranged
L718[18:50:28] <Xal> a lot of the research on annealing right now is on classical algorithms that can convert your perfect theoretical annealing setup into something that can be embedded into a chimera graph
L719[18:51:46] <LaserEyeRemoval> anyway, I think we all agree that it is unlikely to see someone spend the massive levels of resources needed to crack rsa 4096 for minecraft
L720[18:52:31] <XDjackieXD> Xal: what i've been told is that quantum annealing isn't really a threat for modern crypto (not able to run shor's algorithm and such). I would be really interested in any papers or something about that topic
L721[18:52:47] <LaserEyeRemoval> rsa 4096 is trusted for stuff waay more important than minecraft where the attacker has way more resources
L722[18:53:03] <XDjackieXD> yep ^^
L723[18:53:27] <Vexatos> quantum calculations are not a threat for most things, no
L724[18:53:54] <XDjackieXD> well as far as I know quantum annealing is a form of "analogue quantum computer"
L725[18:54:19] <XDjackieXD> and therefore it's not able to run things like shor's algorithm
L726[18:54:30] <Vexatos> which it allows evaluating (not acutally calculating) a lot of simple data quickly, it also imposes the massive new limitation of not being correct
L727[18:54:54] <Vexatos> ...I can type >_>
L728[18:54:59] <LaserEyeRemoval> by the time that technology progresses sufficiently that rsa 4096 can be cracked, you can always implement a more secure encryption algorithm that is resistant to a quantum attack
L729[18:55:06] <LaserEyeRemoval> even if minecraft exists by that time
L730[18:55:10] <Vexatos> or double the bit length :I
L731[18:55:23] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah that is one way to make it more secure
L732[18:55:27] <Xal> my bet is on lattice-based crypto
L733[18:55:29] <XDjackieXD> LaserEyeRemoval: a RCE in java is more likely :P
L734[18:55:34] <LaserEyeRemoval> exactly
L735[18:55:49] <Vexatos> there is no known way to even theoretically reverse-engineer a prime-based key pair
L736[18:55:57] <Xal> ?
L737[18:56:00] <Xal> what do you mean
L738[18:56:12] <Vexatos> getting the prime numbers from its product
L739[18:56:19] <Xal> there is...
L740[18:56:23] <Vexatos> uh
L741[18:56:26] <Dudblockman> Well there is brute force... (not that you get reasonable data)
L742[18:56:28] <Vexatos> other than glorified brute force methods
L743[18:57:56] <Xal> Vexatos: the general number field sieve would like to have a word with you
L744[18:57:56] <Dudblockman> ... 2 ... 3 ... 5 ... 7 ... 11 ... I give up
L745[18:58:10] <Dudblockman> Prime numbers failed me
L746[18:58:11] <Vexatos> Xal, glorified brute force methods
L747[18:58:58] <Xal> aren't all algorithms glorified brute force methods then? :P
L748[18:59:00] <Dudblockman> and isn't it usually prime * prime * data, further complicating the process?
L749[18:59:16] <Vexatos> with RSA, it's actually even worse
L750[18:59:23] <Vexatos> there's a reason it's so popular :I
L751[19:00:16] <LaserEyeRemoval> 768 bit rsa used to be the security standard
L752[19:00:51] <Xal> honestly the biggest ass-pain with RSA is checking if your random number is a generator for your group mod pq
L753[19:00:52] <Xal> it means you need to know the factors of p-1 and q-1
L754[19:00:52] <Xal> so you have to get all tricky when picking p and q
L755[19:01:17] <Dudblockman> Kinda drives me up a wall needing to use a t3 data card for public key encryption (RIP drones)
L756[19:01:42] <Xal> Dudblockman: implement ecdh on your drones
L757[19:02:31] <Dudblockman> I... guess
L758[19:03:00] <Xal> or just call it quits and hard-code an rc4 key into each drone at the factory :P
L759[19:03:21] <Xal> despite its flaws I've always been a fan of rc4 because of how damn simple it is
L760[19:03:26] <Dudblockman> for some reason the fact that there was a component for it blinded me from the fact that it was possible to implement via code
L761[19:03:52] <Xal> Dudblockman: how did you think the data card implemented it? :D
L762[19:04:45] <Vexatos> there is RSA implemented in Lua. The advanced cipher block still exists simply because people usually prefer waiting five seconds for a new key pair over having to wait until the heat death of the universe
L763[19:05:13] <Vexatos> crypto in OC needs to be either hardware-based or fast :P
L764[19:05:24] <Dudblockman> lol
L765[19:05:30] <Dudblockman> I vote... heat death
L766[19:05:38] <Vexatos> ΔS=0
L767[19:06:06] <Dudblockman> Just the greatest network vulnerability I feel is my drones
L768[19:06:57] <Dudblockman> I added a protocol to essentially make the flashed program 'read only'
L769[19:07:17] <Dudblockman> Shuts off the port used for flashing and initialization
L770[19:08:30] <LaserEyeRemoval> and tbh if you can academically crack 4096 bit rsa, you will probably have an easier time on the real life server
L771[19:08:53] <Dudblockman> I don't have an (un)willing test subject, any idea if drones can access the inventories of players other than the owner?
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L773[19:09:21] <LaserEyeRemoval> not sure
L774[19:09:24] <Xal> all this crypto talk is making want monitor-mode network cards even mor
L775[19:09:31] <LaserEyeRemoval> yep
L776[19:09:40] <Dudblockman> I was thinking of upgrading my base defense by making a-hole drones that steal from anybody who wanders within motion detector range
L777[19:09:50] <LaserEyeRemoval> I'm doing it irl as part of a ctf I set up with some friends
L778[19:09:53] <LaserEyeRemoval> good times
L779[19:10:10] <LaserEyeRemoval> nothing like a friendly office ctf
L780[19:10:14] <Dudblockman> Probably prioritizing on stripping their armor so my IE turrets can make short work of people
L781[19:11:15] <Xal> how long do you think until the intel management engine has a fully homomorphic cryptosystem in hardware to run completely tamper-proof code
L782[19:11:34] <Xal> r i p reverse engineering
L783[19:11:36] <Dudblockman> Heat death of the universe.
L784[19:12:33] <Dudblockman> The way quantum computing is described melts my brain
L785[19:12:50] <Xal> Dudblockman: adiabatic or no?
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L787[19:13:37] <Dudblockman> ...All of the above?
L788[19:14:08] <Xal> if you're into annealing, read this https://www.dwavesys.com/sites/default/files/Map%20Coloring%20WP2.pdf
L789[19:14:15] <LaserEyeRemoval> we all pool in money
L790[19:14:34] <AmandaC> BRB changing a universal constant to see what happens
L791[19:14:54] <Dudblockman> *explosion heard off in the distance*
L792[19:14:58] <AmandaC> Oops, I broke it.
L793[19:15:11] <Xal> brb legislating pi to be 3.2
L794[19:15:12] <Dudblockman> See? Don't rewrite the universe.
L795[19:15:26] * AmandaC quietly slides univers C into the trash bin next to her table
L796[19:15:37] <Dudblockman> brb legislating pizza pi to be vegitable
L797[19:17:23] <Dudblockman> I think my favorite explaination for quantum computing was one where they described solving a polynomial
L798[19:17:25] <AmandaC> Oops I did it again. I played with The golden ratio. Oh baby baby.
L799[19:17:50] <Dudblockman> 'Why plug in one value for X when you can plug in all values for X'
L800[19:18:58] * AmandaC gets sad, remembering a TV show she watched which got the ax like, mid-initial-season-airing
L801[19:19:38] <AmandaC> Defying Gravity
L802[19:19:43] <Xal> Dudblockman: that's not a very accurate description
L803[19:19:44] <LaserEyeRemoval> the flag is a bitcoin wallet with credentials
L804[19:19:56] <LaserEyeRemoval> the money that was pooled goes there
L805[19:20:12] <LaserEyeRemoval> its great fun
L806[19:20:31] <AmandaC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defying_Gravity_(TV_series)
L807[19:22:04] <Dudblockman> ... Would QC be good at bitcoin mining if actualized?
L808[19:22:30] <Xal> no
L809[19:22:41] <Xal> but you could spend other people's bitcoins
L810[19:22:49] <Dudblockman> Close enough
L811[19:22:54] <AmandaC> QC fundimentally can't interact with current computers, ISTR
L812[19:23:17] <Xal> what do you mean?
L813[19:23:34] <AmandaC> Not sure, I just seem to recall seeing that said at some point.
L814[19:23:48] <AmandaC> ( In past conversations elsenet )
L815[19:24:01] <Xal> well, you can just take a superposition of qbits and shove them into a classical computer
L816[19:24:04] <Xal> you need to measure them first
L817[19:24:09] <Xal> so they'll collapse into one state
L818[19:24:36] <Xal> typically you'd run the computation a few times and get an idea for what the probabilities look like
L819[19:24:38] <AmandaC> And you'll never know which state was "correct"
L820[19:24:45] <Xal> ?
L821[19:25:13] <AmandaC> Meh, not that it matters, in a couple years humans will discover that they're just a simulation inside a glorified cat toy.
L822[19:25:25] <Xal> what do you mean 'correct state'
L823[19:25:30] * AmandaC curls up against the sleeping Inari, goes off to watch Anime
L824[19:25:36] <LaserEyeRemoval> the funny thing is that even though I love the blockchain technology and once owned some as a speculative play that paid off big time, I dont have that much now (mostly because it doesnt have as much potential to explode anymore and is definitely extremely volatile)
L825[19:26:09] <AmandaC> extern volatile uint64_t blockchain();
L826[19:26:15] * AmandaC is really going now, bai
L827[19:26:22] <Xal> why is everyone backing ethereum when zcash is where it's at
L828[19:28:28] <LaserEyeRemoval> yep, I occasionally venture into crypto (mostly successfully), but its usually with somewhat smaller ones (not quite altcoins) that have potential to become mainstream
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L830[19:32:43] <Dudblockman> I think a cleanroom would be an interesting addition to my minecraft base
L831[19:33:13] <Dudblockman> Gotta get ID'd by interacting with a screen or motion sensor... etc
L832[19:33:34] <Dudblockman> Stand on a transposer so the computer can check your inventory for illegal items
L833[19:34:20] <Dudblockman> ... Great now I can create an airport in minecraft
L834[19:34:29] <Dudblockman> PREPARE FOR THE CAVITY SEARCH KIDS
L835[19:34:57] <Dudblockman> Make anything metal set off the alarm
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L837[19:35:36] <Dudblockman> Watch as your beautifully enchanted iron sword is confiscated by the TSA
L838[19:36:13] <LaserEyeRemoval> now all we need is a way to get your skin and we can have the fully immersive racial profiling experience that is airport security /s
L839[19:36:43] <LaserEyeRemoval> thank god that I aren't of middle eastern ethnicity
L840[19:37:18] <Dudblockman> Sorry Direwolf20, we have determined there are a large number of griefers who are dressed as 'Steve'
L841[19:37:32] <LaserEyeRemoval> lol
L842[19:37:34] <Dudblockman> We must take you aside for further questions
L843[19:38:28] <LaserEyeRemoval> sorry, your name matches the infamous terrorist "Steve", although this is likely an error, you cannot fly
L844[19:38:47] <Dudblockman> Profiling based on the number of names used in the account name
L845[19:38:53] <Dudblockman> Err numbers
L846[19:39:15] <LaserEyeRemoval> if you wish to file a complaint and get off the list, then please write a letter with a book and quill and throw it into the lava to your right
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L848[19:41:50] <LaserEyeRemoval> once we finish brute forcing 4096 bit rsa on our rasberry pi, we will get back to your shortly
L849[19:41:59] <LaserEyeRemoval> rasberry pi zero
L850[19:42:05] ⇦ Quits: ejej (~erjhe@173.255.132.122) (Network ban)
L851[19:42:23] <LaserEyeRemoval> why was ejej banned?
L852[19:44:52] <Mimiru> who knows.. it was a net ban...
L853[19:44:59] <Mimiru> the IRC Ops can tell you..
L854[19:45:05] <Mimiru> if they want.
L855[19:45:16] <LaserEyeRemoval> maybe it was a very cleverly crafted leave message
L856[19:46:01] <Mimiru> no, quits are prefixed.
L857[19:46:11] <Mimiru> has quit (Quit:
L858[19:46:20] <LaserEyeRemoval> then I dont know
L859[19:46:35] <LaserEyeRemoval> seems odd given that he didnt even say anything
L860[19:46:37] <AmandaC> Probably tripped some network anti-warez/spam line
L861[19:46:46] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah that makes sense
L862[19:47:31] <Xal> can you put vt100 control codes in a quit message
L863[19:47:53] <Xal> I'm guessing they're filtered out
L864[19:48:05] <Xal> but if they weren't you could do some funny things to people using irssi/weechat
L865[19:48:11] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah
L866[19:48:35] <LaserEyeRemoval> I've done stuff like that before as a joke before
L867[19:51:32] <AmandaC> depends on the server / client. I'd thiink irssi/weechat would be smart enough to strip them, at the very least.
L868[19:51:53] <AmandaC> and, actually, ISTR a big kerfluffle a few years ago around exactly that.
L869[19:52:00] <LaserEyeRemoval> yeah
L870[19:52:08] <AmandaC> Idiots getting angry about their bots getting their colours "broken" by irssi
L871[19:53:15] <LaserEyeRemoval> irssi can have far worse stuff though
L872[19:56:01] <LaserEyeRemoval> like irssi before 1.0.4 has an issue where you can DOS the client by sending messages with invalid time stamps
L873[19:58:38] <LaserEyeRemoval> causes null pointers
L874[20:06:04] <LaserEyeRemoval> lol
L875[20:06:18] <LaserEyeRemoval> 172.255.132.122:80
L876[20:06:38] <LaserEyeRemoval> not going to go there but really???
L877[20:07:43] <LaserEyeRemoval> no wonder he was banned for malware
L878[20:07:58] <Xal> what is this mysterious site that I'm not going to expose my ip to
L879[20:08:38] <LaserEyeRemoval> I wouldnt be surprised if the username and password is admin
L880[20:08:43] <LaserEyeRemoval> ejej
L881[20:09:07] ⇦ Quits: Sava (~Sava@cable-178-148-185-58.dynamic.sbb.rs) (Ping timeout: 204 seconds)
L882[20:09:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> scroll up and you will see
L883[20:11:04] <Xal> but what is the content of the site
L884[20:11:13] <Xal> I don't wanna visit it :|
L885[20:11:43] <LaserEyeRemoval> a login for supermicro remote adminstration
L886[20:11:53] <LaserEyeRemoval> I bet the credentials are admin and admin
L887[20:12:44] <Dudblockman> 8.8.8.8
L888[20:12:48] <Dudblockman> Hi google
L889[20:14:38] <LaserEyeRemoval> I bet he doesnt know that his computer is running that
L890[20:14:44] <LaserEyeRemoval> and that the credentials are default
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L892[20:15:09] <Xal> hi "I want google to use my every action on the internet for targeted advertisements"
L893[20:17:37] <LaserEyeRemoval> because I am totally to lazy to use any other dns
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L895[20:32:44] <Izaya> supermicro remote management?
L896[20:32:48] <LaserEyeRemoval> yes
L897[20:32:49] <Izaya> doesn't supermicro make motherboards?
L898[20:32:59] <LaserEyeRemoval> apparently more
L899[20:33:16] <LaserEyeRemoval> if you arent comfortable, do it in tor or something to see
L900[20:34:54] <LaserEyeRemoval> here
L901[20:34:55] <LaserEyeRemoval> https://www.supermicro.com/manuals/superblade/Web-based_Management_Utility.pdf
L902[20:34:58] <LaserEyeRemoval> evidence
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L911[23:09:30] <AmandaC> %choose do that sleep thing or just cry, cry your stress away, then sleep
L912[23:09:32] <MichiBot> AmandaC: just cry, cry your stress away, then sleep
L913[23:11:12] <Temia> I'd do that as well, but crying doesn't offer me any relief ._.
L914[23:33:18] * Saphire hugs AmandaC and Temia
L915[23:34:13] <AmandaC> Eep
L916[23:34:57] <AmandaC> Temia: aww. Sorry to hear that, it's super cathartic sometimes to just let the stress-tears flow
L917[23:35:29] <AmandaC> Going to check on my sister then sleep, night nerds
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