L1[00:00:07] <Zer0AZ> I figure it might be
useful to know how to do more than print ascii art
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L3[00:08:05] <Vindex> Classical school
excessive) exercise - program snake
L4[00:08:28] <Vindex> Then snake on external
screen
L5[00:08:33] <Vindex> Then on
touchscreen
L6[00:09:01] <Vindex> Then on external
screen controlled over network using tablet
L7[00:09:27] <Zer0AZ> Hmm. That seems like
it'll suck to do, so that's the perfect practice I suppose
lol
L8[00:10:43] <Vindex> It's not hard as base
problem and you can start from simple to complex
L9[00:11:30] <Vindex> Then replace snake
program with controlling a robot/drone :-D
L10[00:12:39] <Zer0AZ> Makes me wonder if
you can do that with a robot and make it chase grass as the little
points xD
L11[00:12:53] <Vindex> :-D
L12[00:13:59] <Vindex> Then make a robot
deploy another robot like a snake tail :-D
L13[00:14:03] <Izaya> I need to do the
'play games using a DDR controller' thing again
L14[00:14:09] <Izaya> issue is that there's
no games for OC
L15[00:15:21] <Zer0AZ> Correct me if I'm
wrong: But is OC sort of like a wrapper for Lua inside of MC?
L16[00:16:03] <Izaya> OC has a version of
native Lua packaged with it, and provides I/O and memory
limitations and such
L17[00:16:10] <Izaya> It is a wrapper, of a
sort.
L18[00:16:32] <Zer0AZ> Ah okay. That makes
sense.
L19[00:16:56] <Izaya> Once upon a time you
had to install Lua separately, but that isn't the case any
more.
L20[00:18:52] <Izaya> At that point it was
very much a wrapper
L21[00:21:50] <Vindex> Wait, what did you
program in without Lua?
L22[00:22:12] <Izaya> You didn't.
L23[00:22:22] <Izaya> OC just didn't do
anything without Lua installed on your system.
L24[00:29:11] <gamax92> It used to beep,
install a reactor mod, build a reactor, then have it explode
L25[00:29:31] <Izaya> Same thing
>.>
L26[00:48:39] <Zer0AZ> Does anyone have any
sort of starting point for someone who wants to learn lua? A
website or list of tutorials?
L27[00:50:10] <Saphire> Zer0AZ: okay, first
question is: do you have any programming experience>
L28[00:50:24] <Saphire> I mean, literally
anything, even a hello world?
L29[00:50:30] <Zer0AZ> It's been a long
while but yes.
L30[00:51:07] <Zer0AZ> I've done PHP,
Visual Basic (about 10 years ago), some light java for a
RSPS,
L31[00:52:27] <Saphire> So, you do know the
basics like what is a function, logic, how if/for works,
right?
L32[00:52:36] <Zer0AZ> Yeppers.
L33[00:52:47] <Saphire> Only thing in Lua
that is weird at first is the tables
L34[00:52:55] <Saphire> Uh, heard of hash
tables?
L35[00:53:25] <Saphire> Where you have a
table object, and you use a key to access a value.
L36[00:53:29] <Zer0AZ> Very vaguely.
Something to do with abstract data types and arrays
L37[00:53:45] <Saphire> And, Lua has no
fixed types.
L38[00:53:56] <Saphire> At least m pure
Lua
L39[00:54:35] <Saphire> Well, I mean, if
you assign a number 10 to variable a
L40[00:54:45] <Saphire> You can later set
it to string
L41[00:54:48] <Saphire> Or even a
function
L42[00:55:19] <Saphire> As for tutorials...
Basically you need to know the syntax of it, and the rest is
abstract programming
L43[00:55:21] <Zer0AZ> Oooh okay.
L44[00:55:59] <Saphire> Oh, functions and
tables are objects. You store not a table or function, but a
pointer to them, in a variable. Of
L45[00:56:24] <Saphire> By pointer I mean
that of you have something like
L46[00:56:40] <Saphire> atable = {}
L47[00:56:45] <Saphire> And then do
L48[00:56:56] <Saphire> btable =
atable
L49[00:57:25] <Saphire> If you do things
with either of those variables, you'll do thing to the same
table
L50[00:57:49] <Zer0AZ> Ahh okay. So it's
just litterally learning the syntax and toying around from there
then
L51[00:58:10] <Saphire> Yup
L52[00:58:23] <Saphire> And keeping in mind
specific things like tables
L53[00:58:42] <Zer0AZ> Hmm fair enough. I
think I'll see about picking apart this password protected door
setup to start off then
L54[00:59:00] <Saphire> So to copy a take
you don't sign the variable but create a new table and copy
variables
L55[01:03:20] <Zer0AZ> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/682-passworded-boor/?hl=password
-- So with this page I'm planning to copy the code from the first
reply. I know I'll need a case, screen, disk drive. I'm assuming
I'll want a redstone i/o as well?
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L57[01:27:29] <Zer0AZ> Hm. I can't seem to
use the label -a on my HD.
L58[01:27:37] <Zer0AZ> Throws a "Label
is read-only" error.
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L60[01:33:33] <Zer0-Ingame> Ah okay now
I've got the IRC working in-game
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L62[01:33:46] zsh
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L64[01:37:57] <Saphire> Zer0AZ: hey, by the
way
L65[01:38:06] <Saphire> Did you checked
GitHub for the programs and etc?
L66[01:38:17] <Zer0AZ> I was browsing the
forums a bit.
L67[01:38:24] <Saphire> Mainly, this
L68[01:38:27] <Saphire> http://openprograms.github.io/
L69[01:38:50] <Zer0AZ> Ah that seems
useful.
L70[01:39:04] <Zer0AZ> I'm just setting up
a computer in-game so that I can use my second screen for my stream
chat xD
L71[01:39:16] <Zer0AZ> and check the IRC
off the second pc ingame
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L73[01:59:12] <Zer0AZ> Saphire: I'm using
BadCode's password door with a redstone i/o and I've modified the
section where it sets the side the I/O should emit from to the
north face. However it doesn't seem to emit a signal upon an
accepted password. Any idea why that might be? Or am I using the
I/O incorrectly?
L74[02:00:25] <Zer0AZ> Actually I'm sort of
dumb. I have my cardinal directions backwards somehow.
L75[02:10:11] 
<Zer0CoolAZ>
@Vexatos are you able to approve my question on the forums? ?
<Zer0CoolAZ>
@Vexatos are you able to approve my question on the forums? ?L76[02:13:10] <Vexatos> there is one
._.
L77[02:13:18] <Vexatos> oh nice I got a
message
L78[02:13:48] <Vexatos> uuh
L79[02:13:53] <Vexatos> Zer0AZ, which
one
L80[02:14:07] <Zer0AZ> It's under the
support-> programming section for tweaking the password door
script
L81[02:14:51] <Vexatos> I have never done
this before D:
L82[02:14:55] *
Vexatos glares at Lizzy
L83[02:15:19] <Lizzy> you're lucky i'm up
for some reason
L84[02:15:34] <Zer0AZ_InGame> xD! Lizzy I
don't know you yet, but thank you! <3
L85[02:15:47] <Vexatos> that reason being
the perfectly normal™®© sleep schedule that most people in this
channel seem to have
L86[02:15:58] <Lizzy> post approved
L87[02:16:03] <Vexatos> o
L88[02:16:06] <Vexatos> there is just a
button
L89[02:16:08] <Vexatos> in the top
L90[02:16:09] <Vexatos> I SEE
L91[02:16:11] <Vexatos> THIS IS
L92[02:16:11] <Lizzy> yes
L93[02:16:12] <Vexatos> EASY
L94[02:16:17] <Vexatos> :I
L95[02:16:20] <Vexatos> ok then
L96[02:16:27] <AshIndigo> :|
L97[02:16:30] <Zer0AZ_InGame> Thanks :D.
This script confuses me since it constantly emits redstone signal
despite a password being accepted lol
L98[02:16:45] <Zer0AZ_InGame> er despite a
password not being entered yet*
L99[02:17:27] <Lizzy> also I fell asleep at
8pm last night, woke up at 2 am, conked out again at 5am and have
only just worken back up
L100[02:17:56] <Vexatos> Zer0AZ_InGame,
basically, what it does is have RS level 15 as its default
state
L101[02:17:57] <Lizzy> Zer0AZ_InGame, are
you using vanilla redstone or a modded one?
L102[02:18:06] <Vexatos> and upon entering
the password, it turns it off briefly
L103[02:18:15] <Vexatos> Do you just want
to switch that?
L104[02:18:19] <Zer0AZ_InGame> I'm using
vanilla redstone. and Yeah,
L105[02:18:34] <Lizzy> vanilla redstone's
max value is 15
L106[02:18:46] <Lizzy> 255 is stuff like
R:Red and other bundled wires
L107[02:18:51] <Zer0AZ_InGame> The way I
understand how it /should/ work is that it shouldn't do anything
until the password is accepted. Then emits it
L108[02:18:58] <Zer0AZ_InGame> Ah! So the
255 is what's killing it then
L109[02:19:03] <Lizzy> possibly
L110[02:19:16] <Vexatos> Doesn't look like
it, actually
L111[02:19:20] <Vexatos> in every
rs.setOutput, change 0 to 15 and 255 to 0, that should do
L112[02:19:32] <Vexatos> right now level
15 is the default, instead of 0
L113[02:19:42] <Zer0AZ_InGame> I'll give
it a shot vex and see if that makes it do what I'm wanting.
Thanks!
L114[02:20:01] <Lizzy> i'm now going to go
stumble around my house to get a drink
L115[02:21:00] <Zer0AZ_InGame> That did it
Vex. xD I'm trying to get a hang of this on FTB infinity lite, it's
all so new to me lol
L116[02:34:07] <Zer0AZ> xD Well then, I
suppose playing with the tape drive was a bad idea. It seemed to
lock me into the GUI for it and I can't close it since I decided to
press the record button lol
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L120[03:05:47] <Vexatos> Zer0AZ, the
record button should open a new window
L121[03:06:01] <Vexatos> (assume you are
talking about charset, since Computronics doesn't have such a
button >_>)
L122[03:23:59] <Forecaster> http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-07-22
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L127[04:39:32] <Skye> %p
L128[04:39:34] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
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L133[05:57:17] <AshIndigo> %p
L134[05:57:19] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
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L135[06:09:38] <Skye> %p
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L139[06:56:08] <Kodos>
%p
<Kodos>
%pL140[06:56:15] <Kodos> Erm
wait
<Kodos> Erm
waitL141[06:56:45] <AshIndigo> Ping reply from
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L142[06:58:05] <Izaya> %p
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L145[06:58:20] <Izaya> I'd say your
problem is that you're using Discord, but I seem to have made up
the difference.
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L148[07:41:00] <AshIndigo> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10071-016-1001-6
L149[07:41:31] *
AshIndigo wonders who thought of this study
L150[07:46:20] <Skye> %p
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L153[07:46:28] <Skye> Wut.
L154[07:46:30] <Skye> Oh.
L155[07:46:34] <Skye> My laptop is still
on.
L156[07:46:42] <Skye> I thought I turned
it off.
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L159[08:00:32] <Skye> %p
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L167[08:30:34] <Temia> Ash: A bloody
genius.
L168[08:30:43] <Temia> Finding an excuse
to play with cats and pass it off as research?
L169[08:32:11] <Vindex> Zer0AZ: well, I'll
add to learning Lua one thing - read the manual
L170[08:33:29] <Vindex> https://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/
L171[08:33:53] <Vindex> I call bullshit
that it's just learning syntax - read this properly, test things
out
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L173[08:34:15] <Vindex> You will be able
to do more with Lua by groking it
L174[08:34:51] <Temia> Unless you plan on
embedding it yourself though, you can safely skip chapter 4
though.
L175[08:35:13] <Vindex> I agree
L176[08:36:57] <Inari> Eh I think the best
way to learn is by using it. :D
L177[08:41:46] <Temia> Honestly, my usual
course of action with picking up a new language or library is to do
tutorials, experiment with them, and learn how they tick.
L178[08:45:20] <Inari> Could also use
koans
L179[08:45:37] <Syrren> rosetta code might
help too
L180[08:46:06] <Syrren> ...holy shit,
firefox just got nuked by the OOM killer
L181[08:46:10] <Syrren> haven't had that
happen in years
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L183[09:33:47] <vifino> gj
L184[09:36:20] <AmandaC> %choose try and
play something while waiting or just sit and listen to the
music
L185[09:36:21] <MichiBot> AmandaC: try and
play something while waiting
L186[09:36:28] <AmandaC> hrm, nah
L187[09:37:00] <AmandaC> if I start a
game, I'll just get frustrated when the ping happens that the build
finished.
L188[09:45:09] <Inari> What are you
building
L189[09:46:40] <AmandaC> gcc
L190[09:46:46] <AmandaC> for the
6502
L191[09:46:53] <AmandaC> trying to get the
package I made for it to work right. :P
L192[09:52:48] <gamax92> %lua
math.random(0,10).."/10"
L193[09:52:48] <MichiBot> 0/10
L194[09:52:53] <gamax92> Damn
L195[09:56:33] <AshIndigo> %choose flash
soon or flash later
L196[09:56:34] <MichiBot> AshIndigo: flash
later
L197[09:56:45] <AshIndigo> whatever you
say MichiBot
L198[09:57:14] <AmandaC> ohai
gamax92
L199[09:57:47] <gamax92> Good day
AmandaC
L200[09:57:55] <AmandaC> How're you
doing/
L201[09:58:59] <gamax92> Rewriting an
encoder of mine from scratch cause the last time I worked on it was
a year ago and I can't read my old code
L202[09:59:07] <AmandaC> haha
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L204[10:30:02] <Dustpuppy> hi
L205[10:30:20] <Dustpuppy> where can i
find the thread lib?
L206[10:31:46] <AmandaC> %choose custom
spec or keep trying to beat this one into submission
L207[10:31:47] <MichiBot> AmandaC: keep
trying to beat this one into submission
L208[10:32:17] *
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L211[10:58:15] *
Temia yawnmoo. flops. zzz.
L212[10:58:28] <Temia> Getting this VM set
up is tiring, but fulfilling.
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L214[11:05:54] <gamax92> Temia:
passthrough?
L215[11:06:35] <Temia> Passthrough!
L216[11:06:53] <Temia> Audio works as
well, but is a bit crackly. Now I just need to properly set up host
audio.
L217[11:07:54] <Temia> Sad to say though
that ALSA just does not cooperate well with digital outputs, so
I've resorted to slaving it to PulseAudio :/
L218[11:08:26] <gamax92> but pulseaudio
talks to alsa in the end
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L222[11:12:55] <Temia> If I was using just
libpulse.
L223[11:13:15] <gamax92> Temia: I do not
understand
L224[11:13:16] <Temia> Right now I have
alsa configured to talk to Pulse instead. .-.
L225[11:13:38] <Temia> Or wait, I thought
I did.
L226[11:14:04] <Temia> Ah crap, no, it's
still using the old config file.
L227[11:14:08] *
Temia tweak tweak fix fix
L228[11:14:15] <gamax92> pulse cannot talk
to hardware without eventually going through alsa.
L229[11:15:25] <Temia> I could've sworn
Pulse grabbed the device files directly.
L230[11:15:36] <gamax92> the device files
are alsa .-.
L231[11:16:14] <Temia> Really? I thought
they were exposed by an independent kernel module
L232[11:17:56] <Temia> Well, I can't be
arsed to tear up my setup to double-check so I'll just correct
myself: I've resorted to passing programs which use the ALSA API to
Pulse via a custom asound.conf
L233[11:18:14] <Temia> At least once I've
put that conf back in place.
L234[11:18:48] <gamax92> yeah that's a
normal pulse setup, virtual alsa -> pulse -> alsa hw
device
L235[11:19:03] <Temia> Since I was having
no luck getting dmix to talk to the audio without constantly
underrunning.
L236[11:19:25] <gamax92> alsa has a whole
kernel driver api and it's own userspace api
L237[11:20:29] <Temia> Oh right, I was
thinking only about the userspace library. I wasn't fully aware the
kernel modules used an API defined by ALSA too.
L238[11:21:01] <Temia> Anyway!
L239[11:21:34] <Temia> Discovered that the
confs installed as asound.conf.pacnew, corrected that. >_>
Time to restart my ALSA-based software!
L240[11:22:35] <Temia> And I'll save any
further work for when I get home because I'm gonna get out of the
house and visit my sister. o/
L241[11:23:21] <Temia> I think I'm going
to reserve my claim to saying that ALSA as a whole does not
cooperate well with digital output because trying to get HDMI audio
as a stopgap while I set up my stereo was impossible even when
using Pulse for userspace. >_>
L242[11:25:08] <Temia> ...I wonder if my
monitor exposes controls to the system to tell it to change inputs.
Doubtful, but it'd be nice.
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L244[11:26:13] <Temia> ...I don't see any
means to run commands when Synergy changes viewports anyway so it'd
be moot
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L266[11:50:19] <Mimiru> looks like a
server was having issues
L267[11:56:56] <gamax92> Mimiru: btw your
cert is expired
L268[11:57:05] <Mimiru>
numfucksgiven--;
L269[11:57:16] <Mimiru> LE is broken, I
can't fix it, fuck it.
L270[11:57:40] <Inari> Shouldn't
numfucksgiven be an unsigned variable
L271[11:57:45] <Inari> And thus if you
were already low
L272[11:57:47] <Inari> wouldn't it
overflow
L273[11:58:00] <gamax92> it's signed to
account for debt
L274[11:58:04] <Mimiru> ^
L275[11:58:12] <Inari> "debt
sex"
L276[11:58:13] <Inari> Interesting
L277[12:10:01] <Skye> Inari, wat
L278[12:11:00] <Temia> Inari pls.
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L289[15:10:06] <CompanionCube> you can be
in debt for fucks given?
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L291[15:55:07] <Temia> I've been trying to
think of how I want to approach passing USB devices to my Windows
VM. Unfortunately, I cannot positively identify which ports go to
which controllers as of yet; most of them seem to be to the same
one, save for the ones which I'm already using for critical things
like the keyboard and mouse (due to their short reach).
L292[15:55:18] <Temia> I might just end up
getting a USB 3 hub and passing that to the VM instead.
L293[15:55:26] <Temia> Thoughts?
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L297[17:01:03] <AmandaC> %choose watch
naime or watch youtube or listen to podcasts
L298[17:01:03] <MichiBot> AmandaC: watch
youtube
L299[17:05:43] <Forecaster> Temia: sounds
like a good plan
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L301[17:18:21] <vifino> Temia: Can you add
a usb card to the machine?
L302[17:18:30] <vifino> Pass that through
directly, much, much more reliable.
L303[17:18:57] <Temia> Alas, the only USB
card I have is PCI, and it's still in one of my old Alphastations
back in Seattle .~
L304[17:18:59] <Temia> .~.
L305[17:18:59] <vifino> Tried to pass
through just a subtree as well, didn't like hotplugging much.
L306[17:19:06] <Temia> Hrm.
L307[17:19:29] <Temia> So something I
should definitely test before I make any investments myself,
then.
L308[17:19:40] <vifino> Indeed.
L309[17:19:57] <vifino> On the other hand,
$5 should get you a USB 2 one, little bit more for a USB 3
one.
L310[17:20:04] <vifino> Peanuts,
really.
L311[17:22:19] <vifino> (Plus, ya know,
more usb ports never hurt nobody.)
L312[17:22:55] <Temia> Yeah.
L313[17:23:05] <Temia> I'll give it some
thought.
L314[17:23:34] <Temia> I don't need too
many, honestly, just something to plug joysticks or gamepads into
as needed.
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L316[17:24:04] *
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L317[17:26:46] <Skye> Goodnight!
L318[17:40:07] <AshIndigo> %choose mess
with samba shares or meh
L319[17:40:12] <MichiBot> AshIndigo: mess
with samba shares
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hello
<cat2002>
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L341[22:03:02] <KarMagick> Sup guys, I'm
in the process of re-learning lua and I need help with something,
in all the documentation I could find, to clear the screen I'd use
"term.clear() yeah? Except it's returning a nil error, am I
doing this wrong?
L342[22:03:26] <Mimiru> did you require
term?
L343[22:03:50] <Mimiru> term =
require("term")
L344[22:03:54] <Mimiru> term.clear()
L345[22:03:59] <KarMagick> Ohhh okay,
thank you!
L346[22:04:20] <Mimiru> s/term =/local
term =/
L347[22:04:20] <MichiBot> <Mimiru>
local term = require("term")
L348[22:04:22] <KarMagick> My only
experience (when I say relearning) was CC and that was
oversimplified and that could be skipped :p
L349[22:04:23] <Mimiru> :P
L350[22:04:59] <KarMagick> This is
basically like calling libraries in java (or something like that,
that's years behind too ;-;)
L351[22:07:31] <KarMagick> Welp I
connected to the irc through the computer I'm trying to make this
work on, so I'll disconnect to fix that, thank you very very very
much Mimiru <3
L352[22:07:41] <Mimiru> No prob
L353[22:08:06] <KarMagick> Have a nice
evening or day or whatever timezone you're in <3
L354[22:08:08] <KarMagick> o/
L355[22:08:11] <Mimiru> \o
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L359[22:45:47] <KarMagick> Hello I'm back
:3 I got another problem now ;-; | pastebin get 97XTJwEj rfMonitor
| I want it to not update the screen if values didn't change and I
tried a bunch of different things and couldn't get that part
working.. If anyone wants to help and test this code you just need
to hook up a Immersive Engineering HV Capacitor to the adapter ^^
Thank you very much, any kind of help greatly appreciated
<3
L360[22:50:52] <KarMagick> I think I
figured it out actually, brb gonna attempt
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L363[22:52:12] <KarMagick> I didn't figure
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L366[23:00:11] <logan2611>
hot
<logan2611>
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L370[23:07:01] *
Temia patpats.
L371[23:08:05] <Temia> Also, I think I
know what the problem might be?
L372[23:08:49] <Temia> Well, besides the
obvious bit that you commented out the last updated value, but you
tried to give it a local assignment multiple times -- you only need
to do that when you first declare it.
L373[23:09:03] <Temia> So instead of
"local last = cur", you can just have "last =
cur"
L374[23:09:29] <Temia> Or at the end,
remove the local from line 23 if you wish.
L375[23:09:39] <Temia> Either would
work.
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L378[23:13:46] <Guest75878> so this
community is still alive! fantastico.
L379[23:15:20] <Guest75878> so i'm looking
for some projects to better understand OC and coding in general.
any ideas?
L380[23:16:43] <Izaya> write programs for
MultICE
L381[23:16:45] <Izaya> :3
L382[23:17:05] <Guest75878> looking that
up
L383[23:17:24] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/projects/multice/
L384[23:18:23] <BobbyTables2012> being the
cybersec student I am, my first project was to write a simple
reverse shell
L385[23:18:36] <BobbyTables2012> and then
to find some exploits
L386[23:18:57] <Guest75878> lol. worth
looking into.
L387[23:18:59] <BobbyTables2012> would
recomend if you want to really understand how oc works
L388[23:19:41] <BobbyTables2012> its also
great to apply what I am learning in grad school
L389[23:21:06] <Guest75878> i may have to
come back to that one. i've only been at this 3 days. i've gotten
to the point where i can call a library i made, but still havnt
delved into maths yet >.>
L390[23:21:43] <Guest75878> oc is my first
dive into coding. its actually a little intimidating
L391[23:21:47] <BobbyTables2012> that was
near where I was, but I knew a good ammount of lua and had training
from both college and
L392[23:21:55] <BobbyTables2012> work in
comp sci and infosec
L393[23:22:57] <Guest75878> lol. getting
into IDS systems at work. this may actually be a good project. i'll
add it to multiICE
L394[23:23:27] <BobbyTables2012> what you
work in
L395[23:23:35] <Izaya> I've written a
shell forwarding thing, including a terrible authentication
system
L396[23:23:42] <Izaya> really need to
switch it to sha rather than crc32
L397[23:24:54] <Guest75878> i work for an
MSP :/ its not exiting, most of my work is on help desk, but
because of the way i handle notes they want me on security
monitoring
L398[23:25:11] <BobbyTables2012> ah
L399[23:25:35] <KarMagick> thanks Tamia,
ill be right back to test it <3
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L401[23:26:52] <Guest75878> with no formal
training, even getting my first lua program to run was a little
challenging at first. but if i can get a rubiks cube down, i think
i can get this as well.
L402[23:28:29] *
Izaya is conflicted
L403[23:29:05] <Izaya> I could bang out
this application real quick if I write it in JS using QtQuick but
that'd mean writing javashit for production use
L404[23:30:53] <Guest75878> would writing
it better benefit you in the long run? will this become the E-tape
on the wire that is temporarily perminent? will you use this every
day?
L405[23:31:10] <BobbyTables2012> I believe
there is a JS to lua compiler for opencomputers
L406[23:31:20] <Guest75878> if you
answered yes to any of these questions then do it the hard
way.
L407[23:31:54] <BobbyTables2012> oh there
changed my nick from guest
L408[23:33:00] <Izaya> why would you want
to write JS rather than Lua though?
L409[23:33:17] <Izaya> Lua's faster,
cleaner, saner and doesn't have a new standard library every 3
minutes
L410[23:33:21] <BobbyTables2012> because
you know JS well but dont know Lua well
L411[23:33:31] <BobbyTables2012> I got the
impression that that was your situation
L412[23:33:42] <Temia> >Tamia
L413[23:33:55] <Temia> ...still better
than some of the things people call me. >_
L414[23:33:58] <Temia> >_>
L415[23:33:59] <Izaya> Nah, it's either JS
or C++, and I know a little JS but basically no C++
L416[23:34:08] <BobbyTables2012> ah
L417[23:35:11] <Guest75878> hey, as long
as it doesn't turn into a front end for a database in microsoft
access that "is mission critical" and crashes when you
sneeze, it should be just fine.
L418[23:35:53] <Izaya> It basically
manipulates CSV files
L419[23:36:04] <Izaya> but I mean, I'd
much rather know C++ than Javashit so
L420[23:36:41] <Guest75878> whats wrong
with javascript? :3 its only cancer...
L421[23:36:59] <Izaya> I could give you a
few reasons but it'd cast them to NaN
L422[23:37:15] <BobbyTables2012> there is
no chemo for javascript
L423[23:37:15] <Guest75878> lol
L424[23:37:21] <BobbyTables2012> thats
whats wrong with it
L425[23:38:06] <BobbyTables2012> to be
serious, javascript is worth learning if you plan to do stuff with
web applications and stuff
L426[23:38:20] <BobbyTables2012> but c++
is probably more valuable to learn
L427[23:38:41] <Izaya> I'd rather shoot
myself in the chest and foot at the same time than do web
application development
L428[23:38:53] <Guest75878> i dont plan on
doing too much with the web. what little i know about JS is pretty
damned scary.
L429[23:39:28] <BobbyTables2012> I dont do
web application development that much nowdays (thank god), but I do
a lot with security
L430[23:39:38] <Guest75878> eventaully,
all i want to do is make a reactor controll system with a histogram
that pulls data logs from a raid array in OC
L431[23:40:23] <Guest75878> from there i
can work on security robots and little slave robo quarries
L432[23:41:22] <Guest75878> but for now,
i'm learning how to talk to other devices. UUID's in OC are a bit
of a pain right now.
L433[23:41:26] <BobbyTables2012> my first
job was some web app dev during college
L434[23:44:02] <Guest75878> never went.
dropped out of highschool and joined the rat race. went from
working in a boatyard to working on helpdesk. life has some funny
turns.
L435[23:44:12] <BobbyTables2012> After
which I basically became a junior sys admin
L436[23:44:16] <BobbyTables2012> which
became formal
L437[23:45:51] <Guest75878> ah, so you get
to deal with the C suite demanding rediculous programs that are
expensive with no support, and when everything breaks you have to
figure out why, and if you dont its your fault.
L438[23:45:54] <BobbyTables2012> I am
currently in cybersec from there
L439[23:45:55] <BobbyTables2012> ah
L440[23:46:11] <BobbyTables2012> yep
L441[23:46:18] <BobbyTables2012> so glad I
wasnt in there for long
L442[23:46:46] <Izaya> sysadmin is
nice
L443[23:47:25] <Guest75878> sysadmin is
nice like pork tenderloin is nice. its a great meal, but if your
stuck eating it 20 days a month, then its pretty miserable.
L444[23:47:57] *
Izaya shrugs
L445[23:48:08] <Izaya> at this point I
spend most of my work time tweaking stuff or playing games
L446[23:48:59] <BobbyTables2012> yeah I'm
not in it anymore but it was nice
L447[23:49:14] <Guest75878> "we need
this integrated int our system* ooookay, so we have to integrate it
with LDAP "no, active directory" -_-
L448[23:49:47] <Izaya> "so LDAP"
"no the active directory >.> can we talk to your
supervisor?"
L449[23:49:58] <BobbyTables2012> it was my
launching point into vulnerability research and pentesting
L450[23:50:45] <Guest75878> lol i love it
when my suporvisor says the same things i did. "alright, we'll
get started with LDAP" 'but but but'
L451[23:51:13] <BobbyTables2012> the thing
I always hated is when supervisors insisted on extremely insecure
systems
L452[23:51:27] <Izaya> like Windows
:^)
L453[23:52:10] <Guest75878> systems are
inherently insecure. linux out of the box depending on flavor is
one giant gaping maw of vulnerable. same with mac. same with
windows.
L454[23:52:10] <BobbyTables2012> like
remote command injection with root access that is so obvious that
anybody competent will
L455[23:52:18] <BobbyTables2012> discover
it in under 15 minutes bad
L456[23:52:52] <Guest75878> or programs
from the 90's that send PW in plain text over telnet.
L457[23:52:56] <BobbyTables2012> yep
L458[23:53:09] <Izaya> are they written in
Tcl, too?
L459[23:53:14] <Guest75878> "its our
medical records framework!" O_______O
L460[23:53:22] <BobbyTables2012> kind of
scary given that nuclear command and control is done by a 70s ibm
mainframe
L461[23:53:46] <Guest75878> wait
wat?
L462[23:53:49] <Guest75878> no
upgrade?
L463[23:54:01] <BobbyTables2012>
yeah
L464[23:54:13] <BobbyTables2012> its
hardly the only one too
L465[23:54:21] <BobbyTables2012> the
treasury also uses 70s machines
L466[23:55:00] <Guest75878> i
mean...
L467[23:55:21] <Izaya> at least the attack
surface would be small..?
L468[23:55:22] <BobbyTables2012> look at
this
L469[23:55:25] <BobbyTables2012> http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/677436.pdf
L470[23:55:28] <BobbyTables2012> page
35
L471[23:56:01] <BobbyTables2012> at least
the nuclear one is being upgraded this year
L472[23:56:19] <Izaya> hardware is p.
irrelevant though tbh
L473[23:56:24] <Izaya> the question is the
software
L474[23:56:38] <BobbyTables2012> software
is also that old
L475[23:56:43] <Izaya> that's the
issue
L476[23:56:57] <BobbyTables2012> like
written in assembly
L477[23:56:59] <Izaya> some fancy
Burroughs systems would probably have more "secure"
hardware than modern systems
L478[23:57:14] <Izaya> what difference
does the language make?
L479[23:57:34] <Izaya> actually scrap that
question too lazy
L480[23:57:41] <BobbyTables2012> programs
written in assembly tend to be insecure
L481[23:57:49] <Guest75878> security
through obscurity? really?
L482[23:58:05] <Izaya> Guest75878:
where?
L483[23:58:13] <BobbyTables2012> us
federal government
L484[23:58:17] <Izaya> ah
L485[23:58:22] <BobbyTables2012>
treasury
L486[23:58:25] <Guest75878> considering
older systems secure because of age out is a baaad idea.
L487[23:58:25] <Izaya> yeah they're not
very intelligent
L488[23:58:28] <BobbyTables2012> nuclear
command and control
L489[23:58:48] <BobbyTables2012> among
many others
L490[23:58:58] <BobbyTables2012> check p.
35 of the report I linked
L491[23:59:30] <BobbyTables2012> also,
really old hardware tends to be less secure
L492[23:59:49] <Guest75878> what happens
if one of those vacuum tubes goes out? lol. who's going to order
that off of amazon? have to rob a museum
L493[23:59:55] <BobbyTables2012>
particiularly for stuff like buffer overflows that old machines had
poor protection against