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L1[00:07:34] <gamax92> ahh bleh, there's another bug in the boot rom
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L4[00:11:12] <gamax92> a bug that was being masked because I happened to have three filesystems in the computer
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L7[00:23:46] <Nikitaw99> nice, my nickname's now registered
L8[00:23:52] <Nikitaw99> now time to register on the forums
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L10[00:30:04] <Nikitaw99> done
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L16[00:56:21] <Firingpan> hey!
L17[00:57:05] <Firingpan> anyone know of a good program to mine out a specific area
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L35[02:10:15] <Forecaster> %juggle
L36[02:10:16] * MichiBot juggles with MajGenRelativity, Minecraft & a heatsink
L37[02:10:17] * MichiBot drops MajGenRelativity which takes 1 damage, MajGenRelativity flickers and pops out of existence.
L38[02:10:18] <MichiBot> I hope nobody saw that...
L39[02:10:57] <Ashindigo_> Well MGR is dead now
L40[02:14:08] <Forecaster> he's not dead, he just stopped existing :P
L41[02:14:13] <Forecaster> it's not quite the same
L42[02:14:58] <Ashindigo_> :|
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L50[02:40:39] <Nikitaw99> tfw cant view my own thread
L51[02:42:26] <Forecaster> tfw people use tfw without a face D:<
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L53[02:47:18] <TheMadMen> grep
L54[02:47:23] <TheMadMen> exit
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L58[02:52:30] <Forecaster> ...
L59[02:53:07] <Ashindigo_> echo yep
L60[02:53:09] <Forecaster> that must have been embarassing
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L64[03:10:23] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L65[03:17:22] <Forecaster> msg Ashindigo_ what a noob!
L66[03:19:14] <Ashindigo_> mail Forecaster@forecast.net
L67[03:19:16] <Ashindigo_> Rude
L68[03:19:20] <Ashindigo_> Ctrl-D
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L71[03:25:43] <Forecaster> %blame slow downloads
L72[03:25:43] * MichiBot blames slow downloads for running being exhausting
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L76[03:48:14] <Skye> Hi
L77[03:49:48] <Forecaster> hello
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L83[05:57:27] <Forecaster> %juggle
L84[05:57:28] * MichiBot juggles with {SUBJECT_NAME_HERE}, e & enchanted cat claw of bleeding
L85[05:57:29] * MichiBot drops e which takes 2 damage
L86[05:57:30] <MichiBot> Fore!
L87[05:58:28] <Ashindigo_> %blame nate
L88[05:58:29] * MichiBot blames nate for space being cold!
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L92[06:34:47] <MGR> I'm back in existence
L93[06:34:58] <MGR> %inventory add MajGenRelativity
L94[06:34:59] <MichiBot> MGR: Added 'MajGenRelativity' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
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L97[06:54:29] <Izaya> payonel: you did memory profiles of data in lua, right?
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L99[07:03:26] <benny-> hey, can waypoints face up or down?
L100[07:06:55] <Forecaster> if a wrench doesn't rotate them then no
L101[07:08:06] <benny-> doesnt, well going to set serial tables as label for the waypoints. which contain the offset
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L103[07:38:54] <benny-> is there any short form for a = a + 1?
L104[07:39:01] <benny-> like i can do a+=1 in c?
L105[07:39:31] <benny-> or a++ if its just increase
L106[07:40:30] <Katie> not in lua, afaik
L107[07:40:51] <Forecaster> there is not
L108[07:41:49] <Katie> just make a function that does it for you then call inc(1), or dec(1) :P
L109[07:41:50] <benny-> ok, thanks
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L112[08:02:46] <Vexatos> Well you can with Selene :3
L113[08:02:56] * Vexatos runs
L114[08:04:22] <Vexatos> Selene has so many features yet it's so useless because it's slow >_>
L115[08:04:31] <Vexatos> slow to load, at least
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L117[08:22:36] <Inari> %inv add the bushes of love
L118[08:22:39] <MichiBot> Inari: Added 'the bushes of love' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L119[08:23:31] <Forecaster> %juggle
L120[08:23:33] * MichiBot juggles with pachi, zettai ryouiki & a whip
L121[08:23:34] * MichiBot drops pachi which takes 3 damage
L122[08:23:35] * MichiBot drops a whip which takes 2 damage
L123[08:23:36] <MichiBot> Not again...
L124[08:23:54] <Inari> Hrrrrmmmm
L125[08:24:00] <Inari> I keep trying to think of something to make juggle better
L126[08:24:36] <vifino> %inv add Boobies
L127[08:24:38] <MichiBot> vifino: Added 'Boobies' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L128[08:24:46] <vifino> giggity
L129[08:25:49] * Lizzy giggles
L130[08:26:02] * Lizzy sits on vifino's lap facing him
L131[08:26:08] <Forecaster> I don't, but if I were to think of something I'd implement it :P
L132[08:26:54] <Vexatos> %inv add a brand-new HPLC
L133[08:26:57] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Added 'a brand-new HPLC' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L134[08:28:09] <Forecaster> &juggle 6
L135[08:28:15] <Forecaster> %juggle 6
L136[08:28:15] * MichiBot juggles with Moldy sandwhiches, |-o-|, Mettatons, pachi, Jenkins & well
L137[08:28:16] * MichiBot drops Moldy sandwhiches which takes 2 damage
L138[08:28:17] * MichiBot drops |-o-| which takes 3 damage
L139[08:28:18] * MichiBot drops Mettatons which takes 2 damage
L140[08:28:19] * MichiBot drops pachi which takes 1 damage, pachi vanishes into a rift in space.
L141[08:28:20] * MichiBot drops Jenkins which takes 2 damage
L142[08:28:21] * MichiBot drops well which takes 3 damage
L143[08:28:22] <MichiBot> I didn't do it!
L144[08:28:42] <Forecaster> I was going to have MichiBot be absolutely terrible at first and then get better over time
L145[08:28:49] <Forecaster> but then I decided that was overkill
L146[08:31:47] * Lizzy pets MichiBot
L147[08:31:48] * MichiBot Purrs
L148[08:33:22] <Forecaster> %blame overkill
L149[08:33:22] * MichiBot blames overkill for adding Minecraft to the inventory!
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L151[08:37:36] <vifino> Children in the back seats of cars cause accidents, but... Accidents in the back seats of cars cause children.
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L156[08:38:13] <Izaya> I argue that blackouts cause children.
L157[08:38:48] <Ashindigo_> Wat?
L158[08:39:23] <vifino> Accidents cause accidents.
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L163[08:42:32] <Saphire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-ugejUno9U - sadly russian.. but those guys are Crazy.
L164[08:42:34] <MichiBot> Как сделать ГЕНЕРАТОР на МИЛЛИОН ВОЛЬТ в домашних условиях на умножителях напряжения | length: 5m 28s | Likes: 34,977 Dislikes: 1,365 Views: 946,426 | by KREOSAN | Published On 4/12/2016
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L168[08:49:40] <Forecaster> %blame crazy
L169[08:49:43] * MichiBot blames crazy for the moon not being made of cheese
L170[08:50:57] <Inari> Forecaster: I thougth about that yeah. It not like it improves with juggling. And the one using the command also has like nothing to do with it. With stabbing or petting you at least get to choose a target and command to imply something :P
L171[08:51:43] <Forecaster> you might want to re-word that middle sentence :P
L172[08:52:05] <Inari> Hm?
L173[08:52:25] <Inari> Well you run the command, it doesn't relate to you, and the only input it takes is how much to juggle
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L175[08:52:50] <Inari> When you pet/blame/stab, and give it a target you imply something.
L176[08:52:57] <Inari> With juggling, theres just nothing
L177[08:53:01] <Forecaster> I know
L178[08:53:15] <Forecaster> I meant that "It not like it improves with juggling" doesn't make sense
L179[08:53:31] <Inari> "Its not like" :D
L180[08:53:37] <Inari> The bot doesn't get better wiht it as it juggles more
L181[08:53:41] <Inari> Or at it
L182[08:53:42] <Inari> I guess :P
L183[08:53:49] <Inari> %stab English
L184[08:53:49] * MichiBot slaps English with juggling balls doing [6] damage
L185[08:53:52] <Inari> gg
L186[08:54:06] <Forecaster> that's probably not what those were for :P
L187[08:54:13] <Inari> %pet RNG
L188[08:54:13] * MichiBot pets RNG with openSUSE 42.1 install. RNG recovers 4 health!
L189[08:54:48] <Forecaster> well it could have gotten better at it, if I hadn't decided not to do that :P
L190[08:55:00] <Inari> Poor thing
L191[08:55:03] <Inari> Subject to your whims
L192[08:55:04] <Inari> %pet MichiBot
L193[08:55:06] <MichiBot> Inari: I'm not going to pet myself in public. It'd be rude.
L194[08:55:09] <Inari> Lewd
L195[08:55:20] <Forecaster> mainly because I would have had to do database things to store skills
L196[08:55:25] <Inari> %blame MichiBot
L197[08:55:25] * MichiBot blames MichiBot for the existence of trolls
L198[08:55:29] <Inari> Aw
L199[08:55:30] <Inari> :p
L200[08:55:54] <Forecaster> you're the one who told her to pet herself :P
L201[08:56:28] <Inari> Sure, but lewd is good. Or if you mean the blame, was just wondering if that has a special action when used on MichiBot too like stab/pet have
L202[08:57:02] <Forecaster> no I meant the prior obviously... since I specifically said pet...
L203[08:57:49] <Inari> :P
L204[08:57:49] <Forecaster> concerning the latter I should replace <botname> with 'herself'
L205[08:57:53] <Forecaster> in the blame command
L206[08:58:47] <Izaya> There's one for stab?
L207[08:58:51] <Izaya> %stab MichiBot
L208[08:58:51] * MichiBot uses Boobies to vaporize Izaya
L209[08:58:55] <Forecaster> ...
L210[08:58:58] <Izaya> uhhhhhhhhhhh
L211[08:59:09] <vifino> Nice.
L212[08:59:13] <Inari> Lewd
L213[08:59:15] <Izaya> Forget I said anything, not going to deal with this today.
L214[08:59:30] <Inari> %blame boobies
L215[08:59:30] * MichiBot blames boobies for doubling the time until release by asking questions
L216[09:11:48] <Caitlyn> lol vifino... you added them :P
L217[09:12:21] <Caitlyn> http://puu.sh/uWTzf/40e2e74eec.png
L218[09:13:01] <Mettaton_Fab> %blame weed
L219[09:13:03] * MichiBot blames weed for all of the bugs%&
L220[09:13:22] <Forecaster> oh yeah I added that field
L221[09:13:26] <Mettaton_Fab> %blame memory leaks
L222[09:13:26] <Forecaster> oops
L223[09:13:27] * MichiBot blames memory leaks for the moon not being made of cheese
L224[09:14:05] <Mettaton_Fab> %blame capacitors
L225[09:14:05] * MichiBot blames capacitors for adding electronucleism to the inventory!
L226[09:14:33] * AmandaC baps Mettaton_Fab
L227[09:15:57] <vifino> Caitlyn: Of course.
L228[09:16:57] <AmandaC> Forecaster: why oops? Have you added stuff you're ashamed to have associated with your name? :P
L229[09:17:16] <AmandaC> quick, Caitlyn, run a filter for stuff that he's added!
L230[09:17:24] <Forecaster> no, but others may have :P
L231[09:17:28] <Forecaster> though I doubt it
L232[09:17:37] <Forecaster> it's not like you can't find it in the channel log anyway :P
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L234[09:18:54] <AmandaC> %inv add anatidaephobia
L235[09:18:54] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Added 'anatidaephobia' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L236[09:19:10] <AmandaC> %inv add a duck with sunglasses and a newspaper.
L237[09:19:10] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Added 'a duck with sunglasses and a newspaper.' to inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L238[09:22:32] <viomi> Oof
L239[09:22:49] <viomi> I need to learn how to block phone numbers
L240[09:23:29] <Forecaster> tip-ex
L241[09:24:26] <AmandaC> My phone gives me a notification every time a new number calls and I answer then hang up shortly after, with buttons to block the number or report it as spam.
L242[09:24:44] <viomi> That's pretty nice
L243[09:24:54] <viomi> Not a new number though sadly.
L244[09:25:14] <viomi> Ex decided to call me 20 times over 6 hours while I was attempting to sleep. Rest in peace my schedule
L245[09:25:24] <AmandaC> I think "new number" is defined as-- ah
L246[09:25:56] <Forecaster> that's pretty terrible...
L247[09:26:02] <AmandaC> if android, go to their page in the address book, in the overflow should be an option "straight to voicemail"
L248[09:26:15] <viomi> AmandaC: Thanks <3
L249[09:26:37] <viomi> Forecaster: It wouldn't be so bad if she actually had a reason for contacting me, like I dunno.. an emergency or something important. But no, she was just lonely.
L250[09:27:19] <viomi> Maybe I'm just extra annoyed b/c I happened to have a pretty bad nightmare last night, I dunno
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L252[09:27:34] <benny-> so anyone knows what target is for drone.getOffset()?
L253[09:27:42] <benny-> is it the position it's moving too?
L254[09:28:07] <ethanwdp> yeah it tells you the remaining distance/offset from the target
L255[09:28:15] <AmandaC> If you've got a recent android phone, you can also put your phone in a "do not disturb" mode, where only people you've "starred" can make the phone ring
L256[09:28:33] <Forecaster> mine does that
L257[09:28:33] <AmandaC> THis also stops notification sounds
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L260[09:28:51] <Forecaster> you can also on most android phones assign specific ringtones to contacts
L261[09:29:03] <Forecaster> so you can set an silent file
L262[09:29:07] <Forecaster> a*
L263[09:29:13] * AmandaC started using it so her sleep-talking-recording app ddidn't have a bunch of dings recorded if an email came in or similar
L264[09:29:26] <Forecaster> %blame MichiBot
L265[09:29:26] * MichiBot blames MichiBot for the existence of trolls
L266[09:29:34] <Forecaster> I didn't know that was a thing
L267[09:29:34] <benny-> thanks ethan
L268[09:29:52] <Forecaster> well that didn't work
L269[09:29:53] <Forecaster> D:
L270[09:30:05] <viomi> %blame insomnia
L271[09:30:07] * MichiBot blames insomnia for adding a bottled yawn to the inventory!
L272[09:30:49] <viomi> Forecaster: Her code up somewhere I can take a gander at or no? :b
L273[09:31:02] <Caitlyn> %source
L274[09:31:03] <MichiBot> https://github.com/PC-Logix/LanteaBot/
L275[09:31:06] <Forecaster> ^
L276[09:32:13] <Forecaster> curse my current inability to debug D:
L277[09:32:43] <Caitlyn> I wonder what idea did to break it
L278[09:32:54] <Forecaster> now it says something else
L279[09:32:58] <Forecaster> "Error:Unable to make the module: LanteaBot_main, related gradle configuration was not found. Please, re-import the Gradle project and try again."
L280[09:33:05] <Forecaster> D:<
L281[09:33:20] <Forecaster> it did that once before showing the other message
L282[09:33:29] <Caitlyn> don't mind me.. just gonna sit here and use my perfectly functioning Eclipse :P
L283[09:34:06] <Forecaster> Idea is nicer to code in though >:
L284[09:34:11] <Forecaster> and looks nicer too
L285[09:34:38] <Caitlyn> I don't care for Idea honestly... And I can theme eclipse
L286[09:35:35] <Forecaster> I wish I could C# in Idea too
L287[09:35:54] <Forecaster> also I don't think it's Idea's fault it's not working
L288[09:35:56] <Forecaster> it's Gradle
L289[09:36:40] <Forecaster> I just dislikes how Eclipse works compared to Idea
L290[09:36:45] <Forecaster> and how it looks
L291[09:36:52] <Forecaster> not just the colors, but the shapes
L292[09:36:53] <Inari> ^
L293[09:38:16] <Forecaster> at least last time I tried using it, which was a while ago to be fair
L294[09:40:46] <Ashindigo_> %pet eclipse
L295[09:40:47] * MichiBot brushes eclipse with a truffle of love. eclipse recovers 4 health!
L296[09:42:54] <Forecaster> stupid gradle
L297[09:44:38] <Mettaton_Fab> %pet Intel
L298[09:44:40] * MichiBot brushes Intel with bago'dicks. Intel recovers 1 health!
L299[09:44:47] <Mettaton_Fab> wowie
L300[09:45:19] <g> So guys, I want to get back into OC but I hate Lua
L301[09:45:32] <g> do we know of any custom arches that use something like python or js?
L302[09:46:00] <g> I don't see anything that's up to date by any means..
L303[09:46:08] <payonel> g: have you tried programming in lua with a decent editor?
L304[09:46:32] <payonel> that made a big difference for me
L305[09:46:39] <g> payonel, I tried but it was kinda pointless since there are no api stubs
L306[09:47:10] <g> may as well just use notepad
L307[09:47:16] <Forecaster> I'm going to try updating at home and see if that breaks it as well
L308[09:47:24] <Khionu> Reposting from last night:
L309[09:48:10] <payonel> g: i use vscode lua plugins for code completion
L310[09:48:16] <Forecaster> huh, that didn't come through to irc
L311[09:48:28] <Forecaster> Hi, I'm trying to write a simple Magnet Mode utility via the Tractor Beam upgrade in a Tablet, and when I run the snippet in the docs to list all the components, the names are all nil, though the addresses are there.
L312[09:48:32] <Forecaster> --that guy
L313[09:48:50] <g> payonel, I've not used vs code
L314[09:48:54] <g> I do have sublime
L315[09:49:05] <g> I hear vs code spins the cpu because of the cursor blinking though
L316[09:49:17] <Forecaster> @Khionu: sounds like it might be outdated and the fields are wrong?
L317[09:49:51] <Forecaster> though that seems unlikely now that I think about it
L318[09:50:36] <viomi> @g: sublime ftw
L319[09:50:49] <g> I'd rather code in an IDE
L320[09:50:51] <g> but sublime isn't bad
L321[09:50:52] <g> :P
L322[09:50:57] <Khionu> Bot ditches anything after a newline? Wow.....
L323[09:51:08] <viomi> @g: IDEs are for bloat. Just like Python! ;b
L324[09:51:45] <Khionu> But yeah, doesn't make sense. If it's just a Map/Hash/Whatever (I'm mainly a C# Dev, where we have Dictionaries), then that should work fine
L325[09:51:52] <payonel> g: i read that ycombinator post yesterday
L326[09:51:54] <g> viomi, Ah, I see, you're a vim user :P
L327[09:52:02] <viomi> neovim, but yes ;)
L328[09:52:02] <Forecaster> irc doesn't handle newlines
L329[09:52:18] <Khionu> IRC can. The MultiMC Relay does it fine
L330[09:52:30] <Inari> Well
L331[09:52:32] <payonel> g: oh also the bug report on vscode's github, issue with chrome webkit and such
L332[09:52:34] <Forecaster> Caitlyn: should probably make it strip newlines
L333[09:52:35] <Inari> in RC a newline means end of command
L334[09:52:38] <Vexatos> <g> payonel, I tried but it was kinda pointless since there are no api stubs
L335[09:52:40] <Vexatos> just make them :X
L336[09:52:41] <Inari> *IRC
L337[09:52:55] <Inari> WAit wait
L338[09:52:56] <Vexatos> writing syntax specs for atom for example is easy as pie
L339[09:53:06] <payonel> g: not trying to get overly dramatic, but that definitely doesn't happen on my box (<1% cpu usage)
L340[09:53:16] <Inari> test
L341[09:53:16] <Inari> test2
L342[09:53:17] <g> payonel, yeah, I imagine it doesn't spin much
L343[09:53:21] <Inari> What newline are we talkng about
L344[09:53:22] <Inari> o.o
L345[09:53:23] <g> was just being a little ostentatious
L346[09:53:33] <g> Vexatos, I remember trying once
L347[09:53:36] <Forecaster> I dunno what discord puts at the end of it's lines :P
L348[09:53:44] <viomi> Vexatos: Atom is written in chromium.
L349[09:53:45] <g> I think I stopped because a good chunk of stuff wasn't documented
L350[09:53:48] <Khionu> Just `\n`
L351[09:53:49] <viomi> I think that's the definition of a bad idea.
L352[09:53:55] <Vexatos> viomi, it is
L353[09:53:59] <Vexatos> And I don't mind at all
L354[09:54:14] <Vexatos> I have 16GB of RAM, I could not care less about a bloaty framework
L355[09:54:14] <viomi> Mm.
L356[09:54:33] <viomi> It's not just heavy on RAM, but yeah, alright.
L357[09:54:35] <Forecaster> I tried Atom
L358[09:54:38] <Forecaster> it was fine
L359[09:54:40] <Vexatos> Yea
L360[09:54:42] <Forecaster> I just didn't really need it
L361[09:54:43] <Khionu> I thought I would be fine with 16 GB of RAM, but I hit SWAP when playing 1.10.2 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L362[09:54:57] <Vexatos> It's not as good as NP++ but much more easy to extend
L363[09:55:01] <Khionu> With FoamFix, as well
L364[09:55:12] <Vexatos> Also if you want a proper Lua IDE, intelliJ has a good Lua plugin :X
L365[09:55:18] <viomi> Vexatos: Sublime is fast and also easy to extend. Downside is closed source, of course.
L366[09:55:19] <Forecaster> I use that :P
L367[09:55:21] <Vexatos> Just make sure to give it a proper Lua binary
L368[09:55:27] <g> also hey, if api stubs are that easy to write, I imagine it'd be even easier for someone in the OC project to generate them..
L369[09:55:29] <Vexatos> Not the LuaJ it defaults to
L370[09:55:30] <Forecaster> sublimes ftp options suck
L371[09:55:37] <viomi> Forecaster: SFTP is rad.
L372[09:55:45] <Vexatos> viomi, I don't like sublime
L373[09:56:04] <Forecaster> there were no decent sftp plugins that could do what I needed
L374[09:56:17] <Forecaster> so I stuck to np++ which did have one
L375[09:56:19] <Vexatos> NP++ has a good one
L376[09:56:24] <viomi> Forecaster: What did you need? The SFTP plugin I used was pretty spectacular.
L377[09:56:28] <viomi> In Sublime, that is.
L378[09:56:33] <Khionu> VS Code is pretty good, though I need to try VIM + Plugins.
L379[09:56:38] <Vexatos> the ones for atom are also not bad
L380[09:56:47] <Forecaster> I don't remember what the issue was, just that there were no plugins that did what I needed
L381[09:56:54] <viomi> Mm.
L382[09:56:54] <Forecaster> it was years ago now, I've used np++ since :P
L383[09:57:04] <Vexatos> Just use IDEA :3
L384[09:57:11] <Forecaster> for light coding and scripting
L385[09:57:23] <Vexatos> As soon as you point it at a proper Lua binary, it's really good
L386[09:57:24] <Forecaster> I use Idea for projects bigger than one file
L387[09:57:49] <Forecaster> for Java, PHP, HTML, Javascript and Lua
L388[09:58:01] <Forecaster> C# I have to use VS instead of Idea unfortunately
L389[09:58:19] <viomi> Eh. Sublime detects my newest lua binary, lets me run and debug inside of it. I don't get why people think sublime can't be an IDE.
L390[09:58:21] <Vexatos> Well jetbrains also has an IDE for C# :P
L391[09:58:26] <Vexatos> No idea how good it is :P
L392[09:58:48] <Forecaster> I doubt jetbrains is better than VS
L393[09:58:55] <Saphire> http://imgur.com/gallery/mz4Zw
L394[09:58:57] <Vexatos> probably
L395[09:58:57] <Saphire> PHAHAHAHA
L396[09:59:02] <viomi> Forecaster: VS is microsoft right?
L397[09:59:16] <Forecaster> yes
L398[09:59:16] ⇨ Joins: xarses_ (~xarses@8.39.49.135)
L399[09:59:25] <Saphire> http://imgur.com/gallery/mz4Zw/comment/991910241/1 - this specifically, a march 2017 news about blocking IPs of torrent sites..
L400[09:59:25] <viomi> Then I refuse to touch it ;b
L401[09:59:40] <Saphire> Obligatory "X called, they want their Y back" joke
L402[09:59:57] <Saphire> X being russia and Y being blocking sites for copyright reasons by IPs
L403[10:00:03] <Saphire> aka "russian blacklist"
L404[10:00:06] ⇨ Joins: andreww (~xarses@67.218.117.197)
L405[10:00:12] <Forecaster> viomi: I dont' care...
L406[10:00:23] <Saphire> viomi: vim!
L407[10:00:25] <Vexatos> viomi, does sublime's Lua plugin have more than just syntax highlighting?
L408[10:00:33] <Vexatos> i.e. code analysis
L409[10:00:39] <Saphire> JetBrains is awesome
L410[10:00:41] <viomi> @Vexatos: Yes. Debugging and running of code, in-line
L411[10:00:44] <Forecaster> it's not like I have a choice, see Idea not doing C#
L412[10:00:48] <viomi> @Saphire: neovim!
L413[10:01:01] <Vexatos> Because IDEA detecting when I forget an "end" is nice :X
L414[10:01:07] <viomi> @Forecaster: Mean.
L415[10:01:08] <Saphire> viomi: tmux session with nvim and lua running in two panes or windows
L416[10:01:19] * viomi swoons.
L417[10:01:21] <Saphire> inline + editing/running/compiling/testing
L418[10:01:28] <Vexatos> I need to write a Selene plugin for IDEA some day
L419[10:01:31] <Forecaster> I also don't care for "I wont touch x company because it's x company" type stuff
L420[10:01:32] <Vexatos> but it's effort :X
L421[10:01:33] <Forecaster> it's dumb
L422[10:01:39] <Saphire> Forecaster: uh
L423[10:01:41] <Vexatos> Selene package for atom was no effort >_>
L424[10:01:55] <Saphire> "I doubt jetbrains is better than VS" is kinda that, no?
L425[10:02:11] <Forecaster> no?
L426[10:02:22] * Saphire hmmms..
L427[10:02:25] <Saphire> Oh!
L428[10:02:28] <viomi> @Forecaster: It's not dumb when Microsoft is against free software (free and in speech, not beer) and proprietary as shit, and I only use free software..?
L429[10:02:28] <AmandaC> Saphire: that's comparing the products against other products, not dismissing the product because it's made by one company
L430[10:02:46] <Forecaster> I don't really care about that
L431[10:02:50] <Saphire> Hm, sorry
L432[10:02:57] <viomi> I mean, I refuse to eat Hershey's because they use child labor.. I don't see how that's dumb.
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L434[10:03:21] <AmandaC> viomi: O.o
L435[10:03:47] <Saphire> Though, hey, I HAVEN'T SEEN ACTUAL VS ON LINUX, YOU KNOW. JetBrains is only normal C# IDE on linux. We don't talk about MonoDevelop.
L436[10:04:01] <Vexatos> hmm, syntax plugins for Sublime look just a bit more complicated than for atom...
L437[10:04:03] * Saphire shivers
L438[10:04:09] <AmandaC> Saphire: VS Code has a C# plugin that works on mac/ linux
L439[10:04:11] <viomi> AmandaC: http://fortune.com/2016/03/25/easter-chocolate-child-labor/
L440[10:04:13] <Vexatos> I wonder how hard it is to write an actual plugin though
L441[10:04:16] <Saphire> AmandaC: uh
L442[10:04:40] <viomi> AmandaC: For some reason, I have a feeling Saphire doesn't use C#
L443[10:04:42] <Saphire> that's not really the VS that is used
L444[10:04:52] <Saphire> *used on windows?
L445[10:05:05] * AmandaC watches the goal post get moved again, drops the topic.
L446[10:05:22] <g> AmandaC, they're talking about actual visual studio
L447[10:05:23] <Saphire> viomi: okay, I admin I am just being a little shit and spamming with shitty opinions. Sorry.
L448[10:05:26] <g> VS code doesn't really compare lol
L449[10:05:29] <Saphire> ^
L450[10:05:30] <Forecaster> because child labor is equivalent to not having open code...
L451[10:05:36] <Forecaster> labour*
L452[10:05:44] * AmandaC goes back to trying to figure out what's causing her program to murder EEProms
L453[10:05:47] <viomi> Saphire: Hm? You were fine.
L454[10:06:03] <Saphire> VS code... Honestly looks like github's Atom thing. And both are nodejs as well
L455[10:06:09] <g> it's based on Atom
L456[10:06:11] <viomi> Forecaster: Open != Free code. And it's fine if it isn't important to you, we just have different morals. No biggy.
L457[10:06:23] <Saphire> g: ...
L458[10:06:29] <Forecaster> I don't equate it to morals
L459[10:06:32] <Saphire> That makes a lot of sense
L460[10:06:35] <g> the GNU's definition of free is hilarious, if that's what you mean viomi
L461[10:06:57] <Forecaster> Free code, whatever
L462[10:06:58] <viomi> g: Free as in speech, not as in beer? Why is that hilarious?
L463[10:07:08] <g> GNU's "free" just means "under a GNU license"
L464[10:07:14] <viomi> g: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
L465[10:07:27] <viomi> g: GNU disagrees.
L466[10:07:35] <g> the article disagrees
L467[10:07:37] <g> GNU very much doesn't
L468[10:07:51] <g> there are plenty of licenses that are very well-known to adhere to their standards
L469[10:07:57] <viomi> That article is.. GNU's page explaining what they think free software means.
L470[10:08:03] <g> and yet, gnu refuses to recognise them as "free"
L471[10:08:12] <g> so yeah, I'd take that page with a pinch of salt
L472[10:08:16] <viomi> Example?
L473[10:08:19] <Saphire> Visual Studio Code is NOWHERE NEAR that VS Code thing, honestly.
L474[10:08:19] <viomi> Like, specific license?
L475[10:08:33] <Saphire> VS Code is... IDE-mimicrying editor, honestly
L476[10:08:53] <g> Don't have one to hand, will see if I can dig up the example I had
L477[10:08:58] <Vexatos> g: If you don't like Lua, you a) are wrong and b) can write your own architecture
L478[10:09:07] <Saphire> Uh.
L479[10:09:10] <viomi> Vexatos: Lol
L480[10:09:17] <g> "your personal preferences are different from mine so you're wrong"
L481[10:09:20] <g> yep, expected as much
L482[10:09:21] <Caitlyn> So.. who wants to swing by and pick me up from the mechanic? I need to drop my car off, and sears co-worker is on a delivery
L483[10:09:22] <Saphire> Vexatos: wait, where was it said about Lua?
L484[10:09:24] <Vexatos> g: Exactly
L485[10:09:34] <Vexatos> Saphire, at the start of the conversation
L486[10:09:35] <viomi> Saphire: g doesn't like lua :'(
L487[10:09:37] <Saphire> Uh
L488[10:09:41] <Saphire> Why D:
L489[10:09:46] <viomi> He likes bloaty python
L490[10:09:48] <Vexatos> g: Lua is a nice language for what it is meant to do :P
L491[10:09:49] <viomi> </3
L492[10:09:55] <Saphire> Caitlyn: give me money for a plane ticket and taxi to you :3
L493[10:09:56] <g> Vexatos, "it works"
L494[10:10:02] <Vexatos> i.e. be embedded in other software like, say, a minecraft mod
L495[10:10:07] <viomi> g: "it works better than python"
L496[10:10:11] <Vexatos> It is tiny
L497[10:10:14] <Caitlyn> Saphire, :P
L498[10:10:14] <Vexatos> It is ultra tiny
L499[10:10:14] <g> it does work better than python for this use, yep
L500[10:10:24] <g> python is a fucking nightmare to sandbox like that
L501[10:10:29] <Vexatos> Exactly
L502[10:10:34] <Vexatos> That's why noone has written a python addon yet
L503[10:10:40] <g> Yeah
L504[10:10:41] <Vexatos> or, well, one person tried I guess :P
L505[10:10:47] <viomi> g: I'd say I've never seen a situation where python would be used better than lua.
L506[10:10:48] <g> I'd give a stab myself but knowing that.. eh
L507[10:10:53] <g> Maybe someone could do it with like micropython
L508[10:11:03] <gamax92> hello
L509[10:11:07] <viomi> o/ gamax92
L510[10:11:11] <Saphire> I guess sandboxing Python would need prying open its interpreter?
L511[10:11:12] <Vexatos> Lua is better than micropython in most problems
L512[10:11:21] <g> Saphire, python is just not designed for it at all
L513[10:11:34] <Saphire> Or just outright emulating x86, ARM, MIPS or any other binary arch capable of running it
L514[10:11:40] <g> it's a "we're all adults here" language and so you can hack your way around almost everything
L515[10:11:46] <Saphire> Oh
L516[10:11:55] <viomi> g: Uhhh
L517[10:11:55] * andreww tries to not get involved
L518[10:12:02] *** andreww is now known as xarses_
L519[10:12:07] <AmandaC> gamax92: Welp, I see why my program is killing EEPRoms. somehow my memset/memcpy are writing to FFFB, if I'm reading this asm right.
L520[10:12:08] <Saphire> "almost everything" seemingly doesn't involves sandboxing
L521[10:12:26] <g> it makes no provisions for that kind of security
L522[10:12:28] <Saphire> but if there was sandboxing, you wouldn't be able to "hack your way around everything" then..
L523[10:12:31] <Saphire> ah
L524[10:12:35] <Vexatos> g: Lua is the language where you can truly do anything
L525[10:12:39] <Saphire> So.. very very VERY open language?
L526[10:12:43] <Vexatos> I mean, I already replace load itself
L527[10:12:51] <Saphire> Vexatos: memory edit... hm.. bytecode..
L528[10:12:54] * Saphire hmmms
L529[10:12:59] <g> Yeah, but regardless you can make Lua secure in-process
L530[10:13:03] <Vexatos> Saphire, outside of memory management >_>
L531[10:13:11] <Vexatos> and you can even do that
L532[10:13:15] <g> the only real way to do that with python is using a separate process and catching stuff like syscalls
L533[10:13:15] <Vexatos> it has the necessary C API
L534[10:13:17] <Saphire> though python doesn't have that too?
L535[10:13:26] <Saphire> Vexatos: and there's LuaJIT with some of that?
L536[10:13:33] <Vexatos> Get out
L537[10:13:43] <Vexatos> LuaJIT is against all the Lua is for .·.
L538[10:13:43] <Saphire> Hey, I never used it!
L539[10:13:45] <g> also yeah, python is well-known for its access to C APIs
L540[10:13:55] <viomi> LuaJIT is evil.
L541[10:13:58] <Saphire> Only to check if it will run a normal lua faster
L542[10:14:05] <Saphire> (it did o..o)
L543[10:14:07] <viomi> g: lua runs faster than python.
L544[10:14:11] <g> viomi, yes it does
L545[10:14:12] <Forecaster> language vs language disussions tend to be about as fun as open software discussions
L546[10:14:21] <Saphire> Forecaster: Vim vs Emacs
L547[10:14:22] <g> this isn't even a language-vs-language thing
L548[10:14:23] <g> lol
L549[10:14:30] <viomi> g: lua is more modular and hackable than python
L550[10:14:30] <Forecaster> or that, or OS
L551[10:14:31] <g> python is my favourite language and I'm still railing on it here
L552[10:14:38] <viomi> I'm trying to understand where your distaste for lua is from ;;
L553[10:14:43] <xarses_> Forecaster: tab or space
L554[10:14:45] <Saphire> Or [vim father editor] vs [emacs father editor]
L555[10:14:49] <Saphire> or etc
L556[10:14:49] <viomi> xarses_: LOL
L557[10:14:53] <g> viomi, the syntax, some of the keywords and the one-indexing
L558[10:14:54] <Saphire> nonono!
L559[10:14:57] <Forecaster> even that I don't care about
L560[10:14:58] <AmandaC> Forecaster: hobby Os written using a needle and a steady hand master race.
L561[10:14:59] <Saphire> 4 vs 8 spaces!
L562[10:15:07] <Vexatos> g: So everything that makes it easy to learn >_>
L563[10:15:08] <Saphire> ahem, 4 vs 2
L564[10:15:10] <g> and some of the operators as well
L565[10:15:12] <Forecaster> I use whatever's convenient
L566[10:15:15] <xarses_> Saphire: wtf 4 pr 2
L567[10:15:25] <g> Vexatos, they make it easy to learn if you have no programming background
L568[10:15:27] <Forecaster> be it language, software or coding stle
L569[10:15:29] <Forecaster> style*
L570[10:15:31] <Vexatos> g: Exactly
L571[10:15:35] <g> when you've spent almost a decade on languages that do everything else differently
L572[10:15:38] <g> it's no longer easy
L573[10:15:39] <Vexatos> Because that is what Lua is god damn for
L574[10:15:40] <Vexatos> what
L575[10:15:42] <Vexatos> It is
L576[10:15:51] <g> yeah okay, it's easy for you
L577[10:15:55] <xarses_> you should walk off a pier with concrete boots if you think 8 is fun
L578[10:15:57] <g> go get your PHd
L579[10:15:59] <Vexatos> If you have no programming background, it is easy to learn; if you do, you already know what you are doing
L580[10:16:00] <viomi> g: So.. Yeah, basic syntaxical differences that literally take five seconds to learn the difference?
L581[10:16:02] <Saphire> xarses_: 4 spaces indent vs 2 spaces
L582[10:16:11] <Saphire> 4 spaces are the best
L583[10:16:16] <xarses_> 2, obiv
L584[10:16:20] <Caitlyn> tab = 36 spaces.
L585[10:16:25] <Vexatos> If you have a programming background and have difficulty learning a new language, I would question your programming experience
L586[10:16:31] <vifino> And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why tabs are great.
L587[10:16:35] <viomi> Saphire: one tab. Which people can set to different sizes in their editor.
L588[10:16:35] <xarses_> unless its python, then for some reason every one has a hard on for 4 spaces
L589[10:16:36] <Saphire> Not too long (8 spaces, looking at you), nor it's too short (like 2)
L590[10:16:41] <viomi> vifino: Yes! tabs
L591[10:16:42] <Vexatos> I learnt python in about half a week
L592[10:16:46] <g> xarses_, style guide probably
L593[10:16:50] <Vexatos> Learning new languages is really not hard
L594[10:16:57] <viomi> One tab for me = two spaces, someone else editing the same file can make their tabs look like 4 spaces
L595[10:17:00] <Saphire> Vexatos: yeah
L596[10:17:01] <xarses_> g yes, its part of pep8
L597[10:17:04] <g> yes, I know
L598[10:17:09] <Saphire> You only need syntax and basic functions
L599[10:17:12] <vifino> Tab and everyone is free to pick how many spaces they'll want it to look like.
L600[10:17:12] <g> a lot of projects default to it
L601[10:17:16] <g> because it's there
L602[10:17:22] <viomi> vifino: I think I love you
L603[10:17:38] <vifino> Okay.
L604[10:17:39] <Vexatos> So yea, Lua is actually very good because it is intuitive to people new to programming, and people who aren't already know what they are doing anyway
L605[10:17:41] <xarses_> because some arse made it easy to run tox against it
L606[10:17:49] <Vexatos> Lua is the perfect small language :X
L607[10:17:56] <g> nothing is perfect
L608[10:18:05] <Vexatos> well yea the pattern system is shit
L609[10:18:11] <g> I mean, in general
L610[10:18:11] <Vexatos> That's about it
L611[10:18:15] <g> that's kind of the point of the field
L612[10:18:18] <g> there's no perfect solution
L613[10:18:30] <Vexatos> Honestly, python is just there because it has always been there
L614[10:18:30] <g> if there was, we'd be using it everywhere
L615[10:18:38] <Vexatos> same with perl
L616[10:18:39] <Vexatos> there are vastly superior languages
L617[10:18:41] <Vexatos> nowadays
L618[10:18:46] <g> python is mostly there still because it's the language of statistics
L619[10:18:53] <g> partially thanks to stuff like scipy
L620[10:19:08] <viomi> Speaking of languages, anyone here like Rust?
L621[10:19:10] <g> although, ofc, the rest of the reason is because there are people that like it
L622[10:19:14] <g> same as perl, I suppose
L623[10:19:30] <g> Not a huge fan of rust
L624[10:19:37] <g> It's not awful but it's a bit odd
L625[10:19:54] <viomi> g: A bit odd because it's not full of security holes like most Microsoft-esque languages? ;b
L626[10:20:03] <g> it feels kind of held together with duct tape
L627[10:20:04] <g> imo
L628[10:20:18] <vifino> I like the idea of it a lot, but it's syntax is too verbose to me.
L629[10:20:18] <g> exception handling comes to mind
L630[10:20:35] <Vexatos> as long as nobody here tries to like perl *glares at payonel*
L631[10:20:54] * Caitlyn coughs
L632[10:20:56] <vifino> You should be glaring at S3, Vexatos.
L633[10:21:06] <g> you're given a bunch of macros that basically allow you to write code in your typical way, running a function and checking the result to see if it's an exception in a similar way to try...catch
L634[10:21:10] <g> for example
L635[10:21:20] <Vexatos> vifino, I already glared at S3 a sufficient number of times
L636[10:21:25] <Forecaster> I've used perl
L637[10:21:28] <g> you're expected to use them everywhere but they elected to not build it into the language
L638[10:21:30] <Vexatos> Me too!
L639[10:21:32] <Forecaster> writing scripts for Irssi
L640[10:21:34] <vifino> Vexatos: Not enough.
L641[10:21:34] <Forecaster> it's weird
L642[10:21:37] <Vexatos> Yes
L643[10:21:37] <viomi> g: I mean, it's built in there?
L644[10:21:38] <Vexatos> It is
L645[10:21:38] <g> seems like an odd way to do it imo
L646[10:21:43] <g> the macros are, yes
L647[10:21:44] <Vexatos> the most ugly syntax I have ever seen
L648[10:21:49] <Vexatos> worse than C++ ._.
L649[10:21:51] <g> but they're macros, rather than explicit language features
L650[10:22:00] <AmandaC> I misread Forecaster's line as "writing scripts for Inari"
L651[10:22:14] <Vexatos> Use of C++ cam at least be justified by the language itself being good
L652[10:22:19] <Forecaster> no that is done in le.wd-script
L653[10:22:24] <Vexatos> Perl is ugly AND easily replaced by other languages
L654[10:22:37] <AmandaC> I was like, "Does Inari have a dark side I've not seen in these last 1-2 years I've known her!?"
L655[10:22:38] <g> to be fair, perl has the best regex engine out there
L656[10:22:41] <g> no reason you can't embed it though
L657[10:22:43] <viomi> g: https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/error-handling.html
L658[10:22:48] <viomi> Looks pretty good to me, personally.
L659[10:22:56] <g> viomi, it's fast and it works fine, I'm sure
L660[10:23:00] <viomi> Also.. Is ruby still alive?
L661[10:23:03] <g> as I say, it's just about how it feels
L662[10:23:06] <g> yes, ruby is alive
L663[10:23:09] <Vexatos> oh perl regex is the one good thing that came out of it :P
L664[10:23:09] <g> they made a new release the other day
L665[10:23:20] <viomi> Yikes.
L666[10:23:24] <Vexatos> ruby is fairly simialr to Lua in design
L667[10:23:27] <g> iirc ruby is still a joke on windows though
L668[10:23:32] <g> and I'm not a fan of how it works
L669[10:23:36] <g> too many ways to do the same thing
L670[10:23:37] <Vexatos> But not quite as... neat
L671[10:23:42] <xarses_> jeeze, dont ask that in a channel full of ruby zealots
L672[10:23:55] <viomi> Lol
L673[10:24:24] <xarses_> I started looking for the exit out of habit once that was said
L674[10:24:35] <viomi> Sorry <3
L675[10:24:40] <viomi> %blame viomi
L676[10:24:40] * MichiBot blames viomi for the existence of wasps!
L677[10:24:53] <g> I'm still not sure why lua has a string concat operator
L678[10:25:00] <viomi> tfw apiphobic but MichiBot blames you for wasps anyways. :'(
L679[10:25:05] <g> anyone enlighten me on that?
L680[10:25:06] <payonel> Vexatos: the crap? i hate perl....
L681[10:25:25] <viomi> g: So you can concat strings and integers and such..?
L682[10:25:44] <viomi> g: Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question.
L683[10:25:45] * AmandaC watches payonel zip up his jacket to hide the "<3 Perl" shirt he's wearing
L684[10:25:46] <Vexatos> payonel, good
L685[10:25:46] <Forecaster> loosely typed languages tend to have that
L686[10:25:47] <g> well I mean
L687[10:25:53] <g> in some languages you could just go "string" + 1
L688[10:26:00] <g> although I'd rather "string" + str(1)
L689[10:26:06] <g> or similar
L690[10:26:08] <Vexatos> yes exactly
L691[10:26:16] <Vexatos> in Lua, concatenation is not ambiguous
L692[10:26:18] <viomi> g: What if you try to do "string" + a + b, but a and b are numbers
L693[10:26:28] <g> work from the left
L694[10:26:34] <Forecaster> but if you go "1" + 1 and whant them to add?
L695[10:26:39] <Forecaster> want*
L696[10:26:42] <g> int("1") + 1
L697[10:26:48] <xarses_> the problem with perl, and to vastly the same extent ruby is the language syntax is soo lose it leads to very un-readable code, to the point where if you have a few devs working on the same piece of code, its basically unreadable unless the project adheres to strict style (which rarely happens for the two)
L698[10:26:49] <g> if it's loosely typed though then I guess there's no choice
L699[10:26:53] <gamax92> AmandaC: uhh well that's not good
L700[10:26:56] <viomi> g: lua is loosely typed, yeah.
L701[10:27:08] <viomi> g: So, explicit concat vs addition is very nice in my opinion.
L702[10:27:19] <vifino> ^
L703[10:27:24] <g> OK
L704[10:27:30] <viomi> g: So I can do "string".. a + b
L705[10:27:36] <g> yeah, I get it
L706[10:27:40] <viomi> ^^
L707[10:27:57] <g> again, yknow, I'd use brackets in another lang, but most langs I use aren't loosely typed
L708[10:28:01] <Vexatos> and also the __concat metamethod vs the __add metamethod
L709[10:28:04] <Vexatos> is nice :3
L710[10:28:07] <AmandaC> Unless I'm mis-reading this, if you've got the energy to take a peek, gamax92? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qKG5t9L6/memcpy-set.asm
L711[10:29:08] <viomi> Well, now that I've given the shittiest first impression available, I'm gonna go back to making pull requests @MGR.
L712[10:29:18] <vifino> Unrelated: Yay, colors. https://puu.sh/uWWR3.png
L713[10:29:24] <Forecaster> I've actually followed this discussion, unlike most discussions about languages where I tune out almost immidiately
L714[10:29:43] <g> alright, so getting back to my original question
L715[10:29:54] <g> the js arch looks outdated, so I'm guessing it's as old as it looks
L716[10:29:59] * xarses_ looks at the clock, omg where did the time go
L717[10:30:09] <g> so I'm probably stuck with lua
L718[10:30:13] <g> nobody has api stubs?
L719[10:30:13] <Forecaster> probably yeah
L720[10:30:24] <Vexatos> I could make some for atom
L721[10:30:28] <vifino> xarses_: Probably went out for a smoke. Such a bad habit.
L722[10:30:28] <Vexatos> Oh wait
L723[10:30:31] <Vexatos> stub files you mean
L724[10:30:36] <g> Yeah, stub files
L725[10:30:40] <Vexatos> g: You could probably just copypasta OpenOS
L726[10:30:43] <gamax92> AmandaC: ehh no, that's subtraction (or addition with a negative number)
L727[10:30:43] <Vexatos> the entire directory
L728[10:30:44] <Vexatos> from github
L729[10:30:45] <Skye> Well... People are writing hardware arches
L730[10:30:48] <g> ..hm, I guess
L731[10:30:48] <Vexatos> or the OC jar file
L732[10:30:55] * xarses_ chops off most of the api files and hands them to g
L733[10:31:10] <g> there are some lower level apis provided by the arch though, aren't there?
L734[10:31:11] <AmandaC> gamax92: ah, then hrm
L735[10:31:14] <g> then again I probably don't need them
L736[10:31:21] <vifino> g: Well, alternativly, you can run a CPU emulator in Lua.
L737[10:31:23] <xarses_> Vexatos: atom ... eiew
L738[10:31:39] <g> how deep does the rabbit hole go?
L739[10:32:03] <vifino> Do you really wanna know?
L740[10:32:11] <xarses_> seriously
L741[10:32:16] <Forecaster> bring your blue and white dress
L742[10:32:21] <g> haha
L743[10:32:39] <Ashindigo_> Or is it black ant gold?
L744[10:32:43] <gamax92> dammit Ashindigo_
L745[10:33:02] <Forecaster> ...
L746[10:33:10] <Ashindigo_> s/ant/and
L747[10:33:10] <MichiBot> <Ashindigo_> Or is it black and gold?
L748[10:33:15] <Forecaster> reference ruined.
L749[10:33:26] <Forecaster> %stab Ashindigo_
L750[10:33:26] * MichiBot stabs Ashindigo_ with an essential piece of Michiyo's car's engine doing [10] damage, the essential piece of Michiyo's car's engine flickers and pops out of existence.
L751[10:34:07] <Ashindigo_> %stab Forecaster
L752[10:34:07] * MichiBot slaps Forecaster with Uninstall doing [8] damage
L753[10:34:08] ⇨ Joins: Cogitabundus (~HAL@115.248.50.20)
L754[10:34:29] * Forecaster 's uninstall fails due to requiring admin privileges
L755[10:34:53] <Ashindigo_> s/slaps/ sudo slaps
L756[10:35:09] <Ashindigo_> s/slaps/sudo slaps
L757[10:35:14] <AmandaC> .... huh
L758[10:35:18] <Ashindigo_> ...
L759[10:35:28] <Forecaster> MichiBot doesn't see it's own messages
L760[10:35:35] <Ashindigo_> Aww
L761[10:35:35] <Forecaster> s/it's/her
L762[10:35:36] <MichiBot> <Forecaster> MichiBot doesn't see her own messages
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L764[10:35:55] <Ashindigo_> %inv add sudo sandwich
L765[10:35:55] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: Added 'sudo sandwich' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L766[10:36:25] <AmandaC> gamax92: it seems to be triggered when I use function-static variables, actually.
L767[10:36:38] <gamax92> "it's automatic if you know how to do everything yourself"
L768[10:37:44] <gamax92> AmandaC: I can go compile a build with debugging stuff if you'd like
L769[10:38:31] <MGR> yay
L770[10:38:37] <MGR> I love it when people improve my stuff
L771[10:38:38] <Vexatos> xarses_, I use IDEA :P
L772[10:38:46] <gamax92> AmandaC: btw what MC version do you use?
L773[10:38:53] <MGR> I use Eclipse when I do Java
L774[10:39:05] <AmandaC> gamax92: normally 1.10, but I've been using 1.7.10 for toying with thistle
L775[10:39:41] <xarses_> Vexatos: *sigh*
L776[10:39:48] <Vexatos> MGR: I use IDEA for Java, Scala and Lua :P
L777[10:40:03] <AmandaC> gamax92: do you know any binary-diff thing I could use to compare the "good" EEPROm to the bad one, as that should help narrow down the address I need to look for a write to?
L778[10:40:12] <xarses_> I mean, I guess you have to for a java app, but *barf*
L779[10:40:21] <AmandaC> ( Bad as in, corrupted by the program )
L780[10:40:28] <Vexatos> xarses_, I have an actual debugger :X
L781[10:40:34] <Vexatos> code breakpoints!
L782[10:40:39] <gamax92> AmandaC: could dump it in openos, run da65 on both, and diff that
L783[10:40:49] <AmandaC> ah, good idea
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L785[10:41:58] <Forecaster> I wish I could run OC programs in Idea
L786[10:42:01] <Forecaster> that'd be great :P
L787[10:44:07] <payonel> AmandaC: ... :) actually, today i'm wearing my bethesda e3 2015 t-shirt: http://www.sidequesting.com/2015/06/e3-2015-bethesda-swag-saturday-giveaway/
L788[10:44:43] <viomi> Forecaster: Actually.. That's an interesting idea.
L789[10:45:02] <Caitlyn> ffs
L790[10:45:05] <AmandaC> .... wtf
L791[10:45:09] <Caitlyn> 6 40lb boxes of Potatos.. ._.
L792[10:45:12] <AmandaC> now the program isn't causing the corruption
L793[10:45:15] <Caitlyn> I'm ded.
L794[10:45:25] <Forecaster> make potato chips!
L795[10:45:34] <ethanwdp> http://i.imgur.com/LCZNj6W.gif
L796[10:45:35] <Forecaster> lots and lots of potato chips
L797[10:45:38] <ethanwdp> gotta love Bethesda e3's
L798[10:45:43] <Caitlyn> Forecaster, sweet potatos.
L799[10:45:45] <Caitlyn> meh
L800[10:45:53] <Forecaster> oh
L801[10:45:56] <Forecaster> fries?
L802[10:45:59] <Caitlyn> meh
L803[10:45:59] <Forecaster> :P
L804[10:46:00] <Caitlyn> :p
L805[10:46:39] <viomi> Forecaster: You'd basically just have to simulate OpenOS and the different OC calls, right?
L806[10:46:57] <viomi> To be able to run OC programs inside of an IDE, I mean.
L807[10:47:03] <Forecaster> ask gamax92, the one with an OpenOS emulator :P
L808[10:47:04] <g> Caitlyn, openprinter is yours, right?
L809[10:47:10] <Caitlyn> Yes
L810[10:47:19] <g> on curse you state that carts have 4000 uses by default
L811[10:47:32] <g> but then you say that the methods for getting the ink level returns the number of uses they have out of 100
L812[10:47:50] <Caitlyn> whatever the config default is, I don't remember anymore :D
L813[10:48:00] <g> a little confusing xD
L814[10:48:05] <Caitlyn> private int defaultInkUse = 4000;
L815[10:48:18] <Forecaster> documentation is *supposed* to be confusing isn't it?
L816[10:48:22] <g> haha
L817[10:48:27] <Forecaster> %inv add confusing documentation
L818[10:48:27] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'confusing documentation' to inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L819[10:48:34] <Caitlyn> Is it insanely high? yes, numFucksGiven = 0; :P
L820[10:48:38] <g> just saying, since someone else commented that it was there and it wasn't responded to
L821[10:48:53] <Caitlyn> the docs are out of date, the default used to be 100
L822[10:49:02] <Caitlyn> I've just not updated it.
L823[10:49:16] <Forecaster> what made you multiply it by 40? xD
L824[10:49:26] <g> No, it's there
L825[10:49:29] <g> it's just contradictory
L826[10:49:35] <g> "4000 uses by default, changeable in the config."
L827[10:49:36] <g> "returns the number of uses left in the ink cartridge 0-100 (default)"
L828[10:50:02] <Caitlyn> Which, like I said, is because the docs are out of date on the method.
L829[10:50:54] * AmandaC angry-eyes at her program
L830[10:51:03] <MGR> Vexatos, good for you on using Idea?
L831[10:51:06] <Forecaster> %inv add angry-eyes
L832[10:51:06] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'angry-eyes' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L833[10:51:52] <MGR> %juggle 6
L834[10:51:52] * MichiBot juggles with new IThrustable()\;, serrated knife, bago'dicks, a fat dodo, a ping timeout & multi
L835[10:51:52] <Caitlyn> fixed.
L836[10:51:53] * MichiBot drops bago'dicks which takes 1 damage
L837[10:51:54] * MichiBot drops a ping timeout which takes 2 damage
L838[10:51:55] <MichiBot> ohno
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L840[10:52:10] <viomi> %inv add pointless argument
L841[10:52:10] <MichiBot> viomi: Added 'pointless argument' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L842[10:52:24] <Forecaster> %inv add pointy argument
L843[10:52:24] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'pointy argument' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L844[10:52:29] <viomi> MGR: Oh hey you're alive.
L845[10:52:34] <viomi> Forecaster: Haha
L846[10:53:33] * AmandaC sighs
L847[10:53:50] <Caitlyn> Forecaster, it was SUPPOSED to be 400
L848[10:53:57] <Forecaster> ah :P
L849[10:54:04] <Caitlyn> but I hit 4000 and said fuck it cause I didn't notice until several releases later
L850[10:54:26] <Forecaster> at that point it's definetly a feature
L851[10:54:53] <Caitlyn> yep.
L852[10:54:54] <MGR> viomi, yep
L853[10:54:57] <MGR> I'm here
L854[10:55:19] <Forecaster> "the alive part though? not so sure"
L855[10:55:25] <viomi> Pft
L856[10:58:51] <Forecaster> time to home go!
L857[10:59:29] <Caitlyn> will I be lucky enough? Lets find out.
L858[10:59:32] <Caitlyn> %quote Lizzy
L859[10:59:32] <MichiBot> Quote #48: <Lizzy> You're all cunts
L860[10:59:34] <Caitlyn> nope.
L861[10:59:35] <Caitlyn> lmao
L862[10:59:40] <Caitlyn> %quote Lizzy
L863[10:59:40] <MichiBot> Quote #64: <Lizzy> I enjoy vifino.
L864[10:59:45] <Caitlyn> damn. 0/2
L865[10:59:51] <Caitlyn> Will #3 be the charm?
L866[10:59:54] <Caitlyn> %quote Lizzy
L867[10:59:54] <MichiBot> Quote #77: <Lizzy> IT'S FUCK OFF HOME TIME!!!!
L868[10:59:56] <Caitlyn> YES!
L869[10:59:57] <Caitlyn> woo
L870[10:59:59] <Caitlyn> party tiem
L871[11:00:44] <viomi> Lol
L872[11:01:17] <benny-> is there a way to break only flowers with robot but not dirt?
L873[11:01:25] <benny-> swing breaks the dirt below if theres no flower ;(
L874[11:01:39] <AmandaC> benny-: compare() to a dirt block in the inventory?
L875[11:02:26] <benny-> takes time.... maybe robot detect :>
L876[11:02:48] <AmandaC> detect would only work if flowers are entities, I think
L877[11:03:03] <Forecaster> well, home after this update is done
L878[11:03:59] <Forecaster> benny-: takes time... and?
L879[11:04:06] <Forecaster> so would any other solution?
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L882[11:04:51] zsh sets mode: +o on Michiyo
L883[11:04:55] <AmandaC> There's not going to be some setting you can set in your robot that says "don't break dirt, only flowers" -- it's expected you'll code it to do that
L884[11:04:57] <Forecaster> why are you swinging at the dirt in the first place
L885[11:04:57] <Michiyo> Oh... hey
L886[11:04:59] <Michiyo> that's what that button does
L887[11:05:10] <Forecaster> Michiyo: the big red button?
L888[11:05:13] <Michiyo> AHHH WHERE ARE MY MOD SYMBOLS?!
L889[11:05:24] <Forecaster> mod symbols?
L890[11:05:29] <Michiyo> mode
L891[11:05:32] <Forecaster> oh
L892[11:05:42] <benny-> ok, thought i need geolyzer to analyze blocks
L893[11:05:44] <Forecaster> I see yours :P
L894[11:05:48] <benny-> seems compare is fine then, thanks
L895[11:06:38] <Forecaster> c'mon update faster!
L896[11:06:39] <Michiyo> Test
L897[11:06:40] <Michiyo> damn
L898[11:06:47] <Forecaster> %juggle 55
L899[11:06:47] * MichiBot juggles with a truffle of love, a blade with zero thickness, sentience, a latex ingot, a miqo'te in heat & a photo of Temia
L900[11:06:48] * MichiBot drops a blade with zero thickness which takes 1 damage
L901[11:06:49] * MichiBot drops sentience which takes 3 damage
L902[11:06:50] * MichiBot drops a latex ingot which takes 3 damage
L903[11:06:51] * MichiBot drops a miqo'te in heat which takes 3 damage
L904[11:06:52] * MichiBot drops a photo of Temia which takes 1 damage, the photo of Temia poofs away in a sparkly cloud.
L905[11:06:53] <MichiBot> #@%&!!
L906[11:07:38] <Michiyo> Test
L907[11:07:40] <Michiyo> ._.
L908[11:08:01] <Michiyo> Meh
L909[11:08:02] <Michiyo> yay
L910[11:08:07] <Forecaster> \o/
L911[11:08:24] <Michiyo> had to modify all of my text events to add the mode symbols again
L912[11:08:32] <Forecaster> sounds like a pain
L913[11:08:41] <Forecaster> what client do you use again?
L914[11:09:17] <Michiyo> HexChat, the text events are tied to themes, and I changed themes
L915[11:09:25] <Forecaster> oh
L916[11:09:44] <Forecaster> %blame themes
L917[11:09:44] * MichiBot blames themes for adding striped kneesocks to the inventory!
L918[11:09:58] <Forecaster> that doesn't use the items by the way :P
L919[11:10:02] <Forecaster> or damage them
L920[11:10:12] <Michiyo> :P
L921[11:10:24] <Forecaster> unlike
L922[11:10:26] <Forecaster> %juggle
L923[11:10:26] * MichiBot juggles with anatidaephobia, Mettaton's & a Temia-tan branded tail warmer
L924[11:10:27] * MichiBot doesn't drop anything
L925[11:10:28] <MichiBot> In yo face!
L926[11:10:41] * Ashindigo_ pets MichiBot
L927[11:10:41] * MichiBot Purrs
L928[11:10:48] <Ashindigo_> She did it!
L929[11:10:50] <AmandaC> %pet MichiBot
L930[11:10:50] <MichiBot> AmandaC: I'm not going to pet myself in public. It'd be rude.
L931[11:11:06] <Forecaster> :P
L932[11:11:07] <AmandaC> indeed ~starts grooming herself in public~
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L934[11:11:35] <Forecaster> %blame MichiBot
L935[11:11:35] * MichiBot blames MichiBot for space being cold!
L936[11:11:39] <Forecaster> :|
L937[11:11:41] <Forecaster> dangit
L938[11:11:57] <Michiyo> I'll poke at that
L939[11:12:07] <Ashindigo_> %give Ashindigo_ a glass of water
L940[11:12:07] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: No item found to give away.
L941[11:12:11] <Ashindigo_> Boo
L942[11:12:26] <benny-> well compare wont work, because the block isnt directly below the robot but 1 block away
L943[11:12:46] <Forecaster> how can you swing 1 block away?
L944[11:12:52] <AmandaC> benny-: compareDown
L945[11:13:06] <gamax92> AmandaC: anyway here's a jar http://gamax92.pc-logix.com/mods/Thistle-1.7.10-1.0.4-debug.jar
L946[11:13:12] <Forecaster> AmandaC: he means that compare only has a range of 1
L947[11:13:16] <benny-> theres a free space between robot and the block which i want to compare
L948[11:13:16] <AmandaC> gamax92: what's difference?
L949[11:13:22] <gamax92> added debugging stuff to config
L950[11:13:38] <benny-> but detect() works
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L952[11:13:50] <Forecaster> anyway, home time update is done!
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L955[11:14:59] <Ashindigo_> %quote Forecaster
L956[11:14:59] <MichiBot> Quote #73: <Forecaster> D:<
L957[11:15:24] <AmandaC> gamax92: so an option for log spam, I assume, then? Sorry, my brain's not operating at 100% yet today.
L958[11:15:43] <gamax92> yeah
L959[11:16:15] <AmandaC> ah, nice
L960[11:16:16] <gamax92> 9 options
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L964[11:19:25] <Michiyo> %blame MichiBot
L965[11:19:36] * MichiBot blames herself for all of the bugs%&
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L968[11:24:52] <MGR> viomi, thank you for the pull request
L969[11:24:55] <MGR> It has been merged
L970[11:25:44] <viomi> MGR: Sweet. I know it was small and stuff but you weren't online so I just threw it up, lol
L971[11:25:53] <MajGenRelativity> No problem
L972[11:39:35] <Michiyo> %remindme 10s Hi
L973[11:39:38] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "Hi" at 03/24/2017 11:39:45 AM
L974[11:39:53] <MichiBot> REMINDER Michiyo Hi
L975[11:39:58] <Michiyo> k
L976[11:39:59] <xarses_> REMINDER MichiBot Hi
L977[11:43:37] <payonel> vifino:
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L979[11:44:14] <payonel> vifino: re: bytes, byte everywhere; screen dimensions >255 causing the vm to "fail"
L980[11:44:42] <payonel> so my first thought was maybe my use of ioctl calls to measure the terminal had some limits. tested it: nope, that's fine
L981[11:45:00] <payonel> then i thought maybe the cursor positioning escape sequences doesn't like it, tested, nope, that works
L982[11:45:25] <payonel> there was no other ansi related issue, so i was confused
L983[11:46:16] <payonel> so i'm debugging my vm, stepping through -- oh, some old code i wrote at the start of the project: `if (width > 255 || height > 255) return false;`
L984[11:46:17] <payonel> :/
L985[11:46:21] <Temia> %blame Ilberd
L986[11:46:21] * MichiBot blames Ilberd for E.T for Atari being terrible!
L987[11:47:19] <payonel> vifino: the problem is going to be with mouse click events, i'm pretty sure those x,y coords are 1-byte words
L988[11:48:02] <payonel> but anyways, i can fix loading the vm at least. worst case scenario -- i force the mouse driver to ignore events while the resolution is too large. but i'll look into supporting that
L989[11:50:06] <Michiyo> yay Sears co-worker is back, I can drop my car off after all
L990[11:50:27] <payonel> yep, mouse x,y points go negative
L991[11:50:49] <AmandaC> gamax92: is it safe to write into the reserved address space? I just want something I can look for in the logs to tell when my program starts and the eeprom's ends in the logs.
L992[11:51:27] <gamax92> yeah
L993[11:52:37] <vifino> payonel: yay, something's fixed.
L994[11:55:08] <gamax92> oh ... that's why persistence is broken.
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L996[11:57:26] <vifino> payonel: oh, almost forgot the daily ritual.
L997[11:57:39] <vifino> payonel: vt100 openos??!?!!!
L998[11:57:44] <vifino> There we go.
L999[11:57:57] * xarses_ kicks vifino on behalf of payonel
L1000[11:58:05] <vifino> Ow.
L1001[11:58:09] <AmandaC> gamax92: it seems that the write isn't apearing in the logs? I guess I should have also asked if they'd show up there. :P
L1002[11:58:45] <gamax92> yeah it goes to the logs
L1003[11:59:46] <payonel> xarses_: it's all good :) i definitely want to start that work, especially if more than 0 other people care
L1004[12:05:33] <vifino> Oh, payonel, I switched terminal emulators. From urxvt(c) to alacritty, GPU-accellerated terminal emulator written in rust. Neat stuff, there is actually a difference, surprisingly.
L1005[12:05:48] <vifino> It's kinda broken standalone, but tmux just fixes all problems.
L1006[12:06:13] <gamax92> alright, persistence fixed. now to go fix the entirely broken ValueManager concept.
L1007[12:06:43] <payonel> some changes i made last night trying to fix the window resize crap (it's not 100% fixed, but far less likely now)
L1008[12:07:07] <payonel> vifino: ^ + some changes i made also speed up the vm rendering significantly
L1009[12:07:29] <vifino> yay.
L1010[12:07:49] <payonel> vifino: anyways, i can fix the size issues, but interesting note about the mouse location data, the terminal (using gnome-terminal) stops sending me ANY bytes whatsoever outside of 229
L1011[12:08:13] <payonel> so i can fix the mouse coords to be correct, even with a HUGE terminal, but you won't get mouse clicks outside 229 :)
L1012[12:09:18] <vifino> well, it works for me under alacritty and tmux.
L1013[12:09:19] <AmandaC> Oh. That's why it's not appearing. It's being optimised out of the binary!
L1014[12:09:27] <vifino> ( mouse clicks, i mean. )
L1015[12:09:36] <vifino> correct position and all.
L1016[12:10:09] <payonel> the mouse clicks are correct and i can even fix it for positions 224 through 229. but for some weird reason, the terminal stops sending data outside that range
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L1018[12:11:19] <payonel> xterm keeps sending data after 224, but caps the coords
L1019[12:11:20] <payonel> weird
L1020[12:11:25] <payonel> anyways, good enough
L1021[12:12:33] <payonel> gnu-screen stops at 223, this is strangely fascinating
L1022[12:13:45] <Temia> Amanda: time for a volatile keyword?
L1023[12:17:02] <AmandaC> ah, nope, definately something fucky.
L1024[12:17:19] <AmandaC> gamax92: lda $#00; sta $E420 isn't appearing.
L1025[12:17:40] <AmandaC> At least, not in the "Device write" log
L1026[12:17:45] <Temia> Oh, still in ASM, got it.
L1027[12:18:45] <AmandaC> Temia: I'm not sure that it's not in the binary anymore, because my nieve grep didn't turn it up, so I changed it to those two asm instructions in the crt0.s I made
L1028[12:21:02] <Michiyo> Stuck at work on lunch
L1029[12:21:03] <Michiyo> boooo
L1030[12:25:24] *** Thog[WORK] is now known as Thog
L1031[12:26:29] <Michiyo> Merp
L1032[12:26:31] <Michiyo> hmm
L1033[12:26:34] * Michiyo hmm
L1034[12:26:35] <Michiyo> damn
L1035[12:27:01] <Michiyo> merp
L1036[12:27:03] <Michiyo> ._.
L1037[12:27:17] <Michiyo> Mrp2
L1038[12:27:23] <Michiyo> wait wat
L1039[12:27:28] * Michiyo flips table
L1040[12:28:16] <Michiyo> meh
L1041[12:28:17] <Michiyo> k
L1042[12:28:21] * Michiyo meh
L1043[12:28:27] <Michiyo> close. enough.
L1044[12:30:57] * Skye considers hugging Michiyo
L1045[12:34:58] * AmandaC contemplates using a peek/poke model instead of a volatile uint8_t& model for her thistle C++ code.
L1046[12:37:32] * Ashindigo_ comtemplates how he should design this room
L1047[12:37:44] <Khionu> Reposting yet again, since over 600 messages have passed and the IDE discussion swamped out my support request
L1048[12:37:45] <Khionu> Hi, I'm trying to write a simple Magnet Mode utility via the Tractor Beam upgrade in a Tablet, and when I run the snippet in the docs to list all the components, the names are all nil, though the addresses are there.
L1049[12:39:44] <Michiyo> @Khionu link to the example code? My search foo is weak today
L1050[12:40:16] <Khionu> http://ocdoc.cil.li/component:component_access first snippet
L1051[12:40:43] <Michiyo> Oh that.. I thought there was example code for that component I was missing, lol
L1052[12:40:53] <gamax92> AmandaC: oh uhh ... yeah it only logs accesses to devices that exist, I thought you meant the reserved space inside the various devices
L1053[12:40:55] <gamax92> will fix
L1054[12:41:01] <AmandaC> ah, okay
L1055[12:41:27] <Michiyo> it'd be great if I could actually RUN OC... :/
L1056[12:41:54] <AmandaC> gamax92: also, your code seems to be passing the data, but it's not in the format string. :P
L1057[12:42:01] <Michiyo> I can't even run MC stupid Intel POS with windows 10 can't do it
L1058[12:42:12] <gamax92> ... oops
L1059[12:43:01] <Michiyo> though looking at it that code should work fine...
L1060[12:43:33] <AmandaC> Michiyo: your work lets you load MC onto the Point of Sale terminals? Seems risky
L1061[12:43:43] * AmandaC hides behind Inari
L1062[12:44:47] <Khionu> Weird..... working now..... might have been a glitch..
L1063[12:45:42] <Khionu> I had also tried `=component.tractor_beam.address` and it told me that `tractor_beam` was nonexistent, so
L1064[12:45:45] <Michiyo> AmandaC, :p
L1065[12:45:46] <Khionu> But now both work
L1066[12:46:06] <Michiyo> I was shooting more for Piece of shit lol
L1067[12:47:22] <gamax92> Alright, think I've fixed ValueManager
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L1070[12:54:26] * Michiyo quits
L1071[12:54:30] * Michiyo burns the building down
L1072[12:54:34] * Michiyo salts the earth it stood on
L1073[12:54:54] * Temia blames Ilberd for Michi's ragequit, too
L1074[12:55:07] <Michiyo> I.. I dunno who that is :D
L1075[12:55:18] <Temia> '-'
L1076[12:55:23] <Temia> How far into FFXIV are you?
L1077[12:55:45] <Michiyo> 40
L1078[12:56:26] <Michiyo> ahh, level 50
L1079[12:56:49] <Temia> Ah :o
L1080[12:57:06] <Temia> Well, you'll find out a few patches in.
L1081[12:57:10] <Temia> Where in the story, BTW?
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L1084[12:57:52] <Michiyo> I'm not sure off the top of my head
L1085[12:58:02] <Michiyo> I've played 0 minutes of FFXIV outside of the latest event in a bit
L1086[12:59:03] <Temia> Ah, hm.
L1087[12:59:27] <Michiyo> Love the game, just hardly have any free time
L1088[12:59:31] <Temia> fair enough.
L1089[13:00:12] <Temia> If you ever need to party with me for anything in the future, poke me and we can see about a cross-server PF. For now though, I've got to focus on getting ready for today.
L1090[13:00:48] <Michiyo> Thanks Temia
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L1092[13:03:39] * AmandaC wonders if Michiyo has some time tracking software, or just a really weird thing to memorise
L1093[13:04:31] <AmandaC> ( or pulls the numbers from her bum every time )
L1094[13:05:46] <AmandaC> gamax92: gimme a poke when an updated jar is available, plox?
L1095[13:06:32] <gamax92> AmandaC: uhh sure
L1096[13:07:01] <AmandaC> or, I guess I could find another address that's reserved but mapped.
L1097[13:07:44] <Michiyo> AmandaC, well, 0 is a pretty easy number to track
L1098[13:07:52] <gamax92> There are a ton of holes everywhere in the device space, $E00A for example
L1099[13:08:03] <Michiyo> I've not played AT ALL other than to do the event to get the items, no main quest, or side quest stuff was done, other than the event quest
L1100[13:08:11] <AmandaC> Michiyo: I've seen you do it with other stuff too, tho. :P
L1101[13:08:55] <gamax92> AmandaC: updated jar http://gamax92.pc-logix.com/mods/Thistle-1.7.10-1.0.4-debug.jar
L1102[13:09:55] <AmandaC> gamax92: danke. :3
L1103[13:11:15] <Michiyo> Well, that's likely a mix of remembering, and random number pulling
L1104[13:11:50] <Michiyo> and close enough to get the point across random number pulling :P
L1105[13:12:04] <AmandaC> :P
L1106[13:15:54] <Forecaster> https://xkcd.com/1815/
L1107[13:15:54] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Flag Posted on: 3/24/2017
L1108[13:18:04] <MGR> lol
L1109[13:25:52] <AmandaC> gamax92: mind if I PM you?
L1110[13:26:33] <gamax92> go ahead
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L1112[13:27:17] <MGR> I just looked at a page about an Uninterruptible Power Supply Unit on Amazon
L1113[13:27:23] <MGR> Part of the description talked about weight loss
L1114[13:27:34] <MGR> Powerful Antioxidant to Increase Energy and Immune System
L1115[13:27:40] <MGR> Maximum Strength Forskolin, also known as Forskholli root extract works by signaling the camp receptor which encourages the biochemical process of breaking down fat and releasing it from adipose tissue. This results in weight loss that actually works and lasts.
L1116[13:27:46] <MGR> Am I supposed to eat the UPS?
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L1118[13:28:49] <vifino> If it will kill you, yes.
L1119[13:29:08] <MGR> Ok!
L1120[13:29:16] <vifino> Obviously, it is a great idea to eat toxic things.
L1121[13:29:44] <payonel> Vexatos: https://zeroturnaround.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JavaScript-the-good-parts.jpg
L1122[13:29:47] <payonel> https://slack-files.com/T025QNLGW-F4PG8RPT7-17de1fad2f
L1123[13:30:32] <payonel> sorry, the 2nd one is missing the caption, it is "PERL: The good parts"
L1124[13:31:19] <Vexatos> so true
L1125[13:32:45] <Khionu> As a dev who got her real start with Perl........ yeah
L1126[13:33:08] * Lizzy snuggles vifino
L1127[13:33:47] * vifino snuggles Lizzy back
L1128[13:34:12] * Lizzy purrs
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L1130[13:46:52] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L1131[13:46:54] * MichiBot brushes AmandaC with coffee. AmandaC recovers 7 health!
L1132[13:47:03] <Inari> Coffee smelling cat
L1133[13:47:07] <Ashindigo_> %stab rpi3
L1134[13:47:09] * MichiBot slaps rpi3 with portable hole doing [8] damage, portable hole vibrates into the ground.
L1135[13:48:07] <MGR> %juggle 6
L1136[13:48:09] * MichiBot juggles with "Mettaton's, Pillows, coffee, a brand-new HPLC, striped kneesocks & multi
L1137[13:48:10] * MichiBot drops "Mettaton's which takes 1 damage
L1138[13:48:13] * MichiBot drops Pillows which takes 3 damage, Pillows poofs away in a sparkly cloud.
L1139[13:48:14] * MichiBot drops coffee which takes 3 damage
L1140[13:48:15] * MichiBot drops a brand-new HPLC which takes 1 damage
L1141[13:48:16] * MichiBot drops striped kneesocks which takes 1 damage
L1142[13:48:18] * MichiBot drops multi which takes 3 damage
L1143[13:48:19] <MichiBot> I hope nobody saw that...
L1144[13:48:27] <Michiyo> daaaamn dropped all 6
L1145[13:48:28] <Michiyo> :/
L1146[13:48:29] <Michiyo> GJ
L1147[13:48:50] <Michiyo> %inv add Pillows
L1148[13:48:51] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Added 'Pillows' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L1149[13:48:53] <MGR> yep
L1150[13:48:57] <Lizzy> Nobody did, MichiBot
L1151[13:49:13] <Michiyo> %inv
L1152[13:49:13] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Unknown sub-command '' (Try: list, add, remove (rem), preserve (pre), unpreserve (unpre), count)
L1153[13:49:17] <Michiyo> %inv pre Pillows
L1154[13:49:18] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Item preserved
L1155[13:52:22] <benny-> do i need inventory controller upgrade for a drone to use the swing() function?
L1156[13:52:41] <benny-> or does inventory upgrade give this function allready?
L1157[13:54:44] <Michiyo> can drones even swing? I've never even used one.. lol
L1158[13:54:57] <benny-> yea
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L1160[13:55:04] <Michiyo> It's great.. I'm an Op, and hardly ever use the mod anymore.
L1161[13:55:17] <Michiyo> (Mainly cause I hardly MC anymore, but meh)
L1162[13:56:59] <benny-> well lets see how it ends up without the upgrade xD
L1163[13:57:43] <Forecaster> it should swing with "fists" I believe
L1164[13:57:50] <Forecaster> same as an unarmed player
L1165[13:58:01] <Michiyo> Drone.. fists...
L1166[13:58:02] <benny-> yea thats fine, it should just pick flowers xD
L1167[13:58:05] * Michiyo coughs
L1168[13:58:17] <Forecaster> %inv add drone fists
L1169[13:58:17] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'drone fists' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L1170[13:58:24] <Forecaster> yes you could
L1171[13:58:34] <Michiyo> lol
L1172[13:59:20] <Michiyo> Soooo bets on if the mechanic will have my car done before they close today, and if I'll be able to get it before they close, since they close at 5, I close at 5:30 and my ride gets off at 6... :D
L1173[13:59:36] <Michiyo> Oh... and they don't open on Saturdays
L1174[13:59:47] <Forecaster> seems highly improbable captain
L1175[14:00:10] <Michiyo> it's ok.. I don't need a car or anything ._.
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L1178[14:05:48] * vifino sighs
L1179[14:06:22] <vifino> If only my new terminal emulator wouldn't half-break when a ZWS occurs.
L1180[14:07:33] <Temia> Fun fact: Quassel used to crash when mousing over a zero-width space
L1181[14:07:47] <Temia> Probably because it broke trying to figure out how such a thing is even possible.
L1182[14:07:50] <payonel> vifino: zws?
L1183[14:07:58] <vifino> Zero width space.
L1184[14:08:57] <Michiyo> Lots of ZWS from MichiBot too.. for all the antiping stuff
L1185[14:09:52] <vifino> Exactly.
L1186[14:11:04] <gamax92> wocchat filters out the ZWS
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L1188[14:19:59] <Michiyo> Car had to go back to the shop today to find the cause of my oil leak.. I was expecting the worse...
L1189[14:20:12] <Michiyo> it's a fucking valve cover gasket, $80 for parts/labor
L1190[14:20:49] <Michiyo> So I gotta take it BACK to them tueday, and that should be the end of it
L1191[14:20:57] <Michiyo> Tuesday*
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L1193[14:23:17] <payonel> Michiyo: sorry :(
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L1195[14:25:37] <Michiyo> Hey I'm just happy to know what's wrong
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L1197[14:25:49] <Michiyo> and that it's not gonna cost me an arm and a leg
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L1206[15:07:38] <viomi> %pet Michiyo
L1207[15:07:40] * MichiBot pets Michiyo with k. Michiyo recovers 6 health!
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L1209[15:10:36] <Forecaster> speaking of that, we're gonna need one of your arms for a summoning ritual
L1210[15:10:39] <Forecaster> nothing major
L1211[15:11:17] * Michiyo digs through her spare parts drawer, and hands Forecaster a left arm
L1212[15:11:48] * Forecaster takes it and goes to summon the pit-lord of cars and utility-vehicles
L1213[15:12:35] <viomi> %inv add left arm
L1214[15:12:35] <MichiBot> viomi: Added 'left arm' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L1215[15:20:04] <Ashindigo_> Rawrgh why did my Jenkins break
L1216[15:20:40] <gamax92> huh interesting, if a branch instruction sits at the very end of a page, it won't count as a page crossing cause when the branch is executed the pc has already advanced into the next page
L1217[15:21:31] <Michiyo> Ashindigo_, cause it's jenkins, and it lines to break
L1218[15:21:44] * AmandaC boggles
L1219[15:21:52] <Ashindigo_> Oh wait ffs
L1220[15:22:06] <Ashindigo_> I switched ports and never forwarded the new one
L1221[15:22:15] <Ashindigo_> That's why I could only access it locally
L1222[15:23:04] <AmandaC> According to the debug tracing + some code I sprinkled around my program, the call flow is going DMA done -> memset -> stop -> stop -> init -> stop
L1223[15:24:27] <viomi> Psychology is weird.
L1224[15:24:59] <AmandaC> stop going twice alone is wreird, because after it does the thing to make it hsow up in tracing, it busyloops...
L1225[15:25:47] <viomi> You'd figure a hardcore game would breed really hardass, go-getter people who play aggressive. But instead you get literally the lamest playerbase I've ever seen, with the cheapest tricks and hiding behind big shields and using crossbows and running away. It's really quite interesting.
L1226[15:26:01] <Inari> viomi: psychohistory!
L1227[15:28:17] <viomi> Inari: Sort of? But less history and more current.
L1228[15:30:34] <gamax92> alright, added branch taken cycles and branch crosses page boundary cycles, and the adc and sbc cycles when in decimal mode
L1229[15:31:19] <Inari> viomi: Just listenign to the Foundation series currently ;)
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L1231[15:38:47] <viomi> Inari: Ah ah, I see :>
L1232[15:41:00] <Inari> %inv add Idun's Apple
L1233[15:41:05] <MichiBot> Inari: Added 'Idun's Apple' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1234[15:45:47] <Inari> %inv add a thousand sugar stars
L1235[15:45:47] <MichiBot> Inari: Added 'a thousand sugar stars' to inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L1236[15:47:21] <Temia> Sugar stars?
L1237[15:47:33] <Temia> A thousand of them?
L1238[15:47:40] <Temia> That's it, no more visits to Marisa's house for Inari.
L1239[15:48:06] <Inari> Haha
L1240[15:48:10] <Skye> ???
L1241[15:48:18] <Inari> I don' t know tTouhou lore enough to understand that reference
L1242[15:48:18] <Inari> :P
L1243[15:48:21] <Inari> %pet Temia
L1244[15:48:22] * MichiBot brushes Temia with a heatsink. Temia recovers 8 health!
L1245[15:48:36] <Inari> Oh
L1246[15:48:37] <Inari> Thats an idea
L1247[15:48:37] <Temia> ...I've used weirder impromptu hairbrushes before. ' ^'
L1248[15:49:00] <Inari> Temia: A hairbrush made of hair?
L1249[15:49:21] <Inari> I'll make an indiegogo campaign for heatsinks that you can strap to your arms/body in summer
L1250[15:54:06] <Inari> Temia: You coudl use your tail tuft... make it into like... kinda dreadlocks, but onex fixated on both sides. In the right arrangement it can act as a brush then
L1251[15:54:18] <Temia> ...No.
L1252[15:54:40] <viomi> Inari: Tail tuft?
L1253[15:55:01] <Inari> The bushy part on the end of a tail
L1254[15:55:08] <viomi> I know what you meant
L1255[15:55:17] <Inari> Temia is our resident minotaur girl
L1256[15:55:25] <viomi> Ah, that's the answer I was looking for.
L1257[15:55:28] <viomi> Good to know, I guess.
L1258[15:55:53] <Inari> AmandaC is a cute, LuMistry an AI.
L1259[15:55:55] <Inari> Not sure what else
L1260[15:56:04] <Inari> Er
L1261[15:56:05] <Inari> is a cat
L1262[15:56:06] <Inari> :P
L1263[15:57:33] * viomi is jealous of LuMistry.
L1264[15:57:43] <viomi> If only I could be so grossly incandescent.
L1265[15:58:35] * CompanionCube wonders if LuMistry will ever crash
L1266[15:58:52] * Temia waves. =w=/
L1267[15:59:03] <Temia> Inari: same difference.
L1268[15:59:37] <Inari> I hate trying to find songs D:
L1269[16:15:51] <viomi> Inari: What do you mean? Like, you know the tune and lyrics, but not the name of the song?
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L1272[16:24:31] <Mettaton_Fab> %pet Inari
L1273[16:24:33] * MichiBot brushes Inari with zettai ryouiki. Inari recovers 10 health!
L1274[16:24:44] <Mettaton_Fab> what is that.
L1275[16:24:49] <Inari> viomi: Kind of
L1276[16:24:58] <Inari> except what little I know of the lyrics isn't googleable
L1277[16:24:58] <Inari> :P
L1278[16:25:10] <Inari> And it didn't have much of a tune, none I recall anyway
L1279[16:25:31] <Inari> @Mettaton_fab http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZettaiRyouiki
L1280[16:25:38] <viomi> Yeah I've had that happen before. Sucks a lot
L1281[16:26:28] <Michiyo> Inari, I was in the same situation a few weeks ago...
L1282[16:26:39] <Inari> viomi: I know it contained screaming and an american flag, and a japanese singer
L1283[16:26:45] <Michiyo> wanted to bash my head in... luckily it finally went away :P
L1284[16:27:20] <Inari> I keep looking for utada hikaru or ayumi hamasaki songs or such because I was listening to those around the time I knew that song. And I still believe the artist had a name similar to one of those
L1285[16:27:29] <Inari> Thogh less sure on that last part
L1286[16:27:52] <Mettaton_Fab> %inv add Penguin floppy disk
L1287[16:27:52] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab: Added 'Penguin floppy disk' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1288[16:28:13] <viomi> I see
L1289[16:28:18] <viomi> I wish you luck on your quest, Inari!
L1290[16:28:19] <Temia> Where's the song from, do you recall?
L1291[16:28:59] <Inari> Don't think it was specifically from anything
L1292[16:29:09] <Michiyo> Speakers
L1293[16:29:10] <viomi> Speaking of Japanese singers...
L1294[16:29:10] <viomi> https://soundcloud.com/alexandr-valhala/sets/hacksign-ost
L1295[16:29:13] <Michiyo> it was from Speakers.
L1296[16:29:13] <Inari> And while searching I found this again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Be-PUPtBg
L1297[16:29:13] <MichiBot> Michel Polnareff - Tout, tout pour ma chérie (1969) | length: 3m 13s | Likes: 297 Dislikes: 3 Views: 94,836 | by MusicIsTheBest | Published On 14/8/2014
L1298[16:29:36] <Mettaton_Fab> try singing snow halation
L1299[16:29:51] <viomi> Gotta love Yuki Kajiura
L1300[16:30:51] <AmandaC> O.o
L1301[16:30:53] <AmandaC> I just noticed
L1302[16:31:00] <Mettaton_Fab> or try singing the pokemon gen1 intro in swedish
L1303[16:31:14] <Temia> Akiko Shikata is my personal favourite, personally. She's incredible at composition and singing in all sorts of vocal ranges and languages.
L1304[16:31:31] <AmandaC> gamax92: is it weird that the prefix for the logs changes over time?
L1305[16:31:35] <Inari> I quite like some of the oomori seiko songs :P
L1306[16:31:49] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YFG6BCQZFU like this one
L1307[16:31:49] <MichiBot> 大森靖子「マジックミラー」MusicClip | length: 6m 28s | Likes: 3,998 Dislikes: 120 Views: 863,808 | by 大森靖子 Youtube Channel | Published On 8/6/2015
L1308[16:32:20] <AmandaC> It goes from OpenComputers-Computer-1/INFO to OpenComputers-Computer-2/INFO to OpenComputers-Computer-3/INFO
L1309[16:32:50] <Inari> Lets try going through this list of japanese female singers again
L1310[16:33:44] <gamax92> AmandaC: OC uses a thread pool so it's normal
L1311[16:34:14] <AmandaC> ah, okay.
L1312[16:34:21] <AmandaC> I always assumed it was one thread / computer
L1313[16:34:33] <AmandaC> and the number was unique to each computer
L1314[16:34:52] <Michiyo> Thread pool ftw
L1315[16:35:44] <AmandaC> gamax92: I *am* supposed to be using TSF when talking to $E012 right?
L1316[16:36:54] <gamax92> correct
L1317[16:37:09] <AmandaC> thought so.
L1318[16:40:07] <Inari> I also believe the singer was wearing hotpants or something of the sort. I think denim ones, but not sure on either of those things :P
L1319[16:41:07] <AmandaC> ... that's odd.
L1320[16:41:27] <AmandaC> why is dma writing to $E041 instead of $E040 here...
L1321[16:41:30] <viomi> hotpants are rad
L1322[16:41:45] <Inari> Not a fan of them personally
L1323[16:45:15] <viomi> aw
L1324[16:47:26] <Inari> Grrr
L1325[16:47:31] <Inari> I migth have to ask about this on reddit or so
L1326[16:48:27] <Mettaton_Fab> why not make RADpants?
L1327[16:53:32] <viomi> Because hotpants are already rad
L1328[16:53:52] <Ashindigo_> %inv add radical pants
L1329[16:53:54] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: Added 'radical pants' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1330[16:59:46] <Mettaton_Fab> wow
L1331[16:59:53] <Mettaton_Fab> rad pants have to be sturdy
L1332[17:01:37] <Forecaster> %inv add red pants
L1333[17:01:40] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'red pants' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1334[17:02:43] <Mettaton_Fab> %inv add floppy disc
L1335[17:02:44] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab: Added 'floppy disc' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L1336[17:07:25] <Ashindigo_> -_-
L1337[17:07:32] <Ashindigo_> Damnit capcom
L1338[17:07:37] <Mettaton_Fab> it is confusing
L1339[17:13:32] <Forecaster> ...
L1340[17:13:40] <Forecaster> &inv remove floppy disc
L1341[17:13:50] <Mettaton_Fab> why tho
L1342[17:13:54] <Forecaster> %inv remove floppy disc
L1343[17:13:55] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Removed item from inventory
L1344[17:14:03] <Forecaster> %inv add floppy disk
L1345[17:14:03] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'floppy disk' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1346[17:14:08] <Forecaster> :|
L1347[17:14:19] <Mettaton_Fab> i wrote floppy disc for a reason
L1348[17:14:35] <Mettaton_Fab> like a floppy cd because it got too hot
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L1350[17:22:58] <AmandaC> gamax92: how do you dump the memory? I need to sanity check something
L1351[17:23:32] <gamax92> AmandaC: you can go into the opencomputers's state folder, look for a file that ends in _memory, gunzip it and then that's the memory
L1352[17:25:40] <AmandaC> ... I think something's broken with the bootfs
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L1354[17:29:37] <AmandaC> ah, nope
L1355[17:29:51] <AmandaC> memset is going thermonuclear for some reason! \o/
L1356[17:35:57] <Forecaster> %inv add thermonuclear mems
L1357[17:35:59] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'thermonuclear mems' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1358[17:36:08] <viomi> @AmandaC: I hear you're a cute. Can confirm?
L1359[17:37:31] * AmandaC hides from the scary man behind Inari
L1360[17:38:23] <viomi> Misgendered once again.
L1361[17:38:26] * viomi sobs
L1362[17:40:48] <viomi> Scary, yes. Man, no.
L1363[17:40:55] <AmandaC> Ah, appologies.
L1364[17:41:16] * AmandaC throws rocks at her code, because nothing else has worked
L1365[17:41:22] <viomi> No need to apologize, I'm not sure how you'd be able to tell over IRC :L
L1366[17:41:37] <Inari> I need this stupid song D:
L1367[17:41:40] <Inari> %pet viomi
L1368[17:41:40] * MichiBot brushes viomi with Temia's tombstone. viomi recovers 3 health!
L1369[17:41:45] <Inari> Tehe
L1370[17:41:52] <viomi> <3
L1371[17:42:02] <viomi> %pet MichiBot
L1372[17:42:02] <MichiBot> viomi: I'm not going to pet myself in public. It'd be rude.
L1373[17:42:03] <Forecaster> viomi: esp?
L1374[17:42:15] <viomi> @Forecaster Mm?
L1375[17:42:30] <Forecaster> esp works for sensing things I hear
L1376[17:42:33] <Forecaster> or something like that :P
L1377[17:42:35] <viomi> Forecaster: Oh oh
L1378[17:42:37] <viomi> I get it
L1379[17:42:41] <viomi> I laughed I promise
L1380[17:42:43] <viomi> :u
L1381[17:42:59] <Forecaster> I can't tell over irc if you're lying or not :v
L1382[17:43:12] <viomi> :>
L1383[17:43:52] <viomi> Yes you can
L1384[17:44:07] <viomi> I'm gay. So I must be telling the truth
L1385[17:44:11] <viomi> (That's how it works, right?)
L1386[17:44:23] <Forecaster> I dunno :P
L1387[17:44:40] <viomi> %g Is viomi lying
L1388[17:44:41] <MichiBot> viomi: https://vimeo.com/182020903 - *The Lie on Vimeo*: "Sep 8, 2016 ... Directed by: Kevin Pastor Produced by: Untitled Productions At Stedwick Elementary School projects are often used as the vehicle for the ..."
L1389[17:44:53] <viomi> Not quite, MichiBot. But good try.
L1390[17:45:10] <MGR> my liquid cooler arrived!
L1391[17:46:03] * viomi high fives MGR.
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L1393[17:46:32] <viomi> Cheapest form of computer cooling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1WkdXvtEKY
L1394[17:46:34] <MichiBot> Mineral Oil PC Aquarium | length: 2m 57s | Likes: 621 Dislikes: 75 Views: 239,753 | by Joe Shea | Published On 17/2/2013
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L1397[17:48:37] <AmandaC> viomi: I think I'm cute, but I'm not going to provide pics or anything. :P
L1398[17:49:14] * AmandaC stares at C++
L1399[17:49:32] <viomi> AmandaC: Oh, wasn't asking for anything like that. I just heard from an anonymous source that you were.
L1400[17:49:35] <AmandaC> I... need to learn what the various glyphs and 'const' mean. :P
L1401[17:49:39] * viomi cough it was Inari cough
L1402[17:50:02] <viomi> AmandaC: constant!
L1403[17:50:41] <viomi> Constants can't be changed in your program. They will always equal what they were initialized to.
L1404[17:50:57] <viomi> Useful for when you need a variable of some kind but it won't change at all after compiling.
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L1406[17:51:16] <viomi> Sort of. Kind of.
L1407[17:51:22] <viomi> I'm probably fairly wrong but that's the general idea.
L1408[17:51:39] <Inari> AmandaC: glyphs? const?
L1409[17:52:46] <AmandaC> const T& <-- changing an instance of T to that stopped the memset rampage
L1410[17:52:56] <MGR> viomi, yep
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L1413[17:53:39] <MGR> I got the NZXT Kraken X61
L1414[17:53:51] <MGR> It has RGB LEDs on the pump, which was a pleasant surprise
L1415[17:54:06] <viomi> I'm poor.
L1416[17:54:20] <viomi> My computer is entirely built off me doing server work for people in return for computer parts.
L1417[17:54:43] <viomi> So I can't say I know why you'd need RGB LEDs on the pump
L1418[17:54:59] <MGR> for moar bling
L1419[17:55:06] <viomi> Ah
L1420[17:55:08] <viomi> I see
L1421[17:55:40] <MGR> Although, as a computer build business owner, I am perfectly capable of building computers without them
L1422[17:55:45] <MGR> I know not everyone likes them
L1423[17:56:17] <viomi> Referring to water cooling?
L1424[17:56:24] <Inari> AmandaC: Whats your code
L1425[17:56:52] <MGR> viomi, I can do builds without any LEDs at all
L1426[17:57:13] <MGR> oh for the "not everyone likes them" I was referring to LEDs
L1427[17:57:23] <viomi> Oh okay
L1428[17:57:25] <MGR> I haven't heard of anyone not liking water cooling
L1429[17:57:30] <AmandaC> Inari: this is the instance I changed: https://gitlab.darkdna.net/amanda/thistle-toy/blob/master/lib/thistle/console.hh#L9
L1430[17:57:31] <viomi> o/
L1431[17:57:33] <viomi> I don't like water cooling
L1432[17:57:33] <viomi> :b
L1433[17:58:16] <MGR> viomi, why not?
L1434[17:58:30] <viomi> MGR: expensive.
L1435[17:58:55] <viomi> I overclock and so far the fans that suck in instead of blow out have been very effective.
L1436[17:59:12] <viomi> On my GPU, I mean.
L1437[17:59:56] <MGR> The liquid cooler I bought was 2x140mm for $99USD
L1438[18:00:12] <MGR> Actually, I lied a little, it was $127
L1439[18:00:20] <MGR> But there are cheaper ones
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L1441[18:00:26] <viomi> Yikes
L1442[18:00:35] <viomi> That's just so much for me, idk
L1443[18:00:38] <MGR> The main reason I bought it and sold my Noctua NH-D15 to my friend is that it is quieter
L1444[18:00:55] <MGR> the Kraken, not the Noctua (which isn't super loud either)
L1445[18:01:00] <MGR> There are cheaper ones
L1446[18:01:10] <MGR> Under $100
L1447[18:01:35] <viomi> Unless it's under $50 I wouldn't consider it, and at that point it's risky probably poorly made stuff, no?
L1448[18:01:37] <Inari> AmandaC: so you changed from what to what?
L1449[18:02:24] <AmandaC> Inari: from `void write(string_literal<Size> str) {` to `void write(const string_literal<Size> &str) {`
L1450[18:02:41] <viomi> Plus I'm scared of water near my computer. I'd rather get mineral oil and a fish tank and put my computer in there.
L1451[18:02:52] <MGR> viomi, I don't think there are any good ones under $50
L1452[18:02:55] <Inari> AmandaC: What sthe dma call for
L1453[18:03:07] <MGR> The good ones shouldn't leak on your computer ?
L1454[18:03:07] <AmandaC> Inari: pokes values into the DMA engine for thistle
L1455[18:03:12] <Inari> Hm
L1456[18:03:29] <viomi> MGR: Right, but the good ones aren't under $50 so :b
L1457[18:04:04] <MGR> viomi, yep
L1458[18:04:35] <viomi> I wish I were an AI or an Android
L1459[18:04:40] <viomi> then I could code away my nightmares :L
L1460[18:04:48] * AmandaC thinks she's going to unplug soon, as she's having a hard time maintaining focus
L1461[18:05:43] <Inari> AmandaC: Hm
L1462[18:06:24] <Inari> Well the only reason I could think of is that the first likely takes a copy, and the memory assigned for hte copy gets freed after the method ends
L1463[18:06:29] <Inari> While the second takesa reference
L1464[18:08:41] <AmandaC> Inari: I'm not sure, and I've not got the spoons to investigate any further
L1465[18:08:52] * AmandaC curls up in Inari's lap, goes off to typoland
L1466[18:14:03] <Forecaster> %juggle 6
L1467[18:14:07] * MichiBot juggles with connection issues, Moody sandwhiches, Kernels Kerlen, a thousand sugar stars, coffee & |-o-|
L1468[18:14:08] * MichiBot drops connection issues which takes 3 damage, connection issues vibrates into the ground.
L1469[18:14:09] * MichiBot drops Moody sandwhiches which takes 1 damage
L1470[18:14:10] * MichiBot drops a thousand sugar stars which takes 2 damage, the thousand sugar stars is eaten by a Grue.
L1471[18:14:11] * MichiBot drops coffee which takes 3 damage, coffee vibrates into the ground.
L1472[18:14:13] * MichiBot drops |-o-| which takes 3 damage, |-o-| rides off into the sunset on a horse with no name.
L1473[18:14:13] <MichiBot> Fore!
L1474[18:14:33] <Forecaster> 5/6
L1475[18:14:35] <Forecaster> not bad
L1476[18:20:23] <viomi> Oh hey
L1477[18:20:31] <viomi> Forecaster: Nice reference
L1478[18:21:06] <Forecaster> ?
L1479[18:21:14] * viomi is likely to be eaten by a grue.
L1480[18:22:40] <Forecaster> oh that, yeah :P
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L1482[18:25:16] <viomi> brb~
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L1484[18:29:38] <AmandaC> %inv add that peculiar feeling that something's not right
L1485[18:29:38] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Added 'that peculiar feeling that something's not right' to inventory. This seems rather fragile...
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L1489[18:57:52] <AmandaC> Forecaster's been through the desert with a horse with no name
L1490[18:58:16] <Kodos> %inv add this magic moment
L1491[18:58:17] <MichiBot> Kodos: Added 'this magic moment' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1492[18:59:45] <AmandaC> S/with/on? Idk. My brain is bad enough at processing audio, with out the car noises and angry beeping from other drivers in GTA
L1493[19:00:40] <AmandaC> %choose Google it or ask g
L1494[19:00:40] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Google it
L1495[19:01:01] <AmandaC> Nah.
L1496[19:01:27] <AmandaC> g: have any idea what I can use the monster extract with in BotW? :D
L1497[19:01:54] <viomi> AmandaC: I really need to pretend to be someone's friend so I can play botw...
L1498[19:02:18] <g> AmandaC, I know it's used to spice up meals
L1499[19:02:21] <g> but aside from that, I duno
L1500[19:02:22] <g> dunno*
L1501[19:02:26] <AmandaC> Ah
L1502[19:02:40] <S3> OMG I GOT IT!
L1503[19:02:52] <AmandaC> I bought four of them and they've just kinda sat there in my inventory since
L1504[19:02:58] <g> according to internet, it increases the level of food buffs, or their duration
L1505[19:03:05] <g> apparently it's used in a quest recipe as well
L1506[19:03:12] <S3> so in my idea of a game engine, I bet you, for traveling between star systems
L1507[19:03:18] <AmandaC> Oh, neat
L1508[19:03:18] <S3> I don't need to do physics at all
L1509[19:03:26] <S3> know why?
L1510[19:03:31] <viomi> S3: You've caught my attention.
L1511[19:03:39] <S3> because of the open space theory
L1512[19:03:56] <S3> the chances of you actually colliding with something else even at more than the speed of light is almost 0.
L1513[19:04:00] <Forecaster> as opposed to the space is full of jam theory :D
L1514[19:04:05] <Forecaster> it's not very popular...
L1515[19:04:15] <S3> so I can be really lazy with physics calculations at very fast treavel speeds :D
L1516[19:04:15] <viomi> lol
L1517[19:04:20] <S3> neat eh
L1518[19:04:22] <Forecaster> I like jam though
L1519[19:04:27] <viomi> S3, yeah. Good stuff.
L1520[19:04:49] <S3> see, andromeda is heading straight toward us right now as a galazy
L1521[19:04:51] <S3> galaxy*
L1522[19:04:57] <Forecaster> ohno
L1523[19:04:59] <S3> and it's suggested that nothing will collode
L1524[19:05:01] <S3> collide*
L1525[19:05:06] <S3> it will just breeze right througg
L1526[19:05:20] <S3> because everything in space is just so far apart
L1527[19:05:21] <viomi> Well.. Gravity..
L1528[19:05:26] <S3> right
L1529[19:05:28] <S3> eventually it will
L1530[19:05:30] <gamax92> Just fit an entire 6502 assembler into an eeprom, still more than 1KB left to work with
L1531[19:05:31] <S3> but the initial pass
L1532[19:05:36] <gamax92> S3: :D
L1533[19:05:41] <S3> gamax92: :D
L1534[19:05:47] <S3> lol wut
L1535[19:05:51] <S3> how did we just grin at eachother
L1536[19:06:30] <Forecaster> it's a sign of the end times D:
L1537[19:08:31] <AmandaC> g: for my test of 5 wild stealth plants vs 4 with 1 extract, it seems to do it at the cost of one or the other
L1538[19:08:44] <g> I see
L1539[19:09:38] <AmandaC> G: 5 plants yielded a level 1 10m dish. 4 + 1 gave me a level two with 1 min
L1540[19:10:07] * AmandaC should go stock up on more to experiment
L1541[19:10:21] <Kodos> %remindme 3h Yargami Warframe
L1542[19:10:25] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "Yargami Warframe" at 03/24/2017 10:10:21 PM
L1543[19:10:48] <Ashindigo_> %stab unsafe app messages
L1544[19:10:52] * MichiBot stabs unsafe app messages with floppy disk doing [13] damage
L1545[19:12:31] <AmandaC> Ashindigo_: unsafe app messages?
L1546[19:13:10] <Ashindigo_> Phone is complaining about an se Linux Disabler app I have
L1547[19:13:15] <Ashindigo_> Its mildly annoying
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L1551[19:15:45] <AmandaC> I see
L1552[19:16:41] <Ashindigo_> Either way I'm going to go flop into my bed for tonight
L1553[19:16:43] <Ashindigo_> So have fun
L1554[19:16:50] <gamax92> S3: https://i.imgur.com/NNAEP6Y.png
L1555[19:22:12] <AmandaC> gamax92: now make it work over a modem! :P
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L1557[19:47:05] <TYKUHN2> OC doesn't use Nagle's I can assume?
L1558[19:52:09] <MGR> Nagle's?
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L1560[19:53:08] <Katie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagle's_algorithm
L1561[19:53:15] <MGR> Thank you
L1562[19:57:03] <AmandaC> That sounds unlikely to be used in modems, and it's outside the scope of internet cards / MC packets
L1563[19:57:11] <TYKUHN2> Hmm
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L1571[20:19:54] <S3> So I dunno whats gonna happen
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L1573[20:23:12] <AmandaC> BotW is silly sometimes. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/P1S3L8NE/2017031601332200-F1C11A22FAEE3B82F21B330E1B786A39.jpg
L1574[20:24:39] <S3> so who can tell me about vcomponent
L1575[20:24:54] <S3> AmandaC: I hear that game is a fantastic game but a sucky zelda game
L1576[20:25:02] <Katie> gamax92, could likely fill you in a bit
L1577[20:25:45] <AmandaC> S3: if you went in expecting another cookie-cutter Zelda Formula output, sure. But I'm liking it a lot.
L1578[20:26:12] <AmandaC> It's a nice departure
L1579[20:30:47] <AmandaC> anyway, heading off now, going to lay down and explore some more, wanted to get some screenies off it to send to my sister.
L1580[20:31:02] <AmandaC> ttfn, folks
L1581[20:31:33] <viomi> AmandaC: o/
L1582[20:32:16] <Kodos> Ugh, I'm || this close to just whispering Tema
L1583[20:32:19] <Kodos> Tired of Dense Ores erroring
L1584[20:37:20] <Kodos> Anyone have a link to BOP's Discord?
L1585[20:43:19] <S3> so vcomponent
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L1589[20:57:16] <Kodos> What about it?
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L1592[21:18:34] <Saphire> GRAH, that's impossible...
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L1594[21:19:38] <TYKUHN2> Kodos responds and S3 shuts up ?
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L1596[21:22:59] <viomi> Saphire, o/
L1597[21:23:35] <viomi> TYKUHN2, excited to see GEDS.
L1598[21:24:07] * Saphire sighs
L1599[21:24:36] <Saphire> I need a better way to use MUD, other than SSH
L1600[21:26:04] <Saphire> :C
L1601[21:26:10] <viomi> I assume you don't mean multi user dungeon? :b
L1602[21:26:25] <Saphire> Why there are multiple MUD "servers" based on IRC, but no reverse?
L1603[21:26:43] <Saphire> MUD clients that are using IRC to give output to the user
L1604[21:27:02] <gamax92> uhh
L1605[21:27:16] <gamax92> (my notifications are broken sorry)
L1606[21:27:22] <Saphire> gamax92: happens
L1607[21:29:00] <Saphire> viomi: I /do/ mean exactly that
L1608[21:29:09] <TYKUHN2> Viomi I'm sad I couldn't implement GENS, it was finished, but I feel like this is probably going to work better
L1609[21:32:16] <viomi> Saphire, there are good MUD/MUSH/MOO clients out there you know :o
L1610[21:32:23] <Saphire> For android?
L1611[21:32:54] <Saphire> That will allow me for something like bouncing?
L1612[21:33:01] <TYKUHN2> Not sure it's smart for me to write the code yet for GEDS. I have some ideas I *might* want to implement and some I'm waiting on MGR for.
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L1614[21:33:32] <viomi> Err.. I mean, do you have a keyboard attached to that android device?
L1615[21:34:16] <viomi> TYKUHN2: Waiting on him for..?
L1616[21:34:22] <TYKUHN2> Design decisions
L1617[21:34:27] <viomi> Ah.
L1618[21:34:50] <viomi> I was going to say, if it's just waiting for his work on GERTi, could always do stuff and make a pull request :b
L1619[21:34:52] <TYKUHN2> For example I am enforcing GERT number ownership. I'm not exactly sure how he wants me to do it
L1620[21:35:15] <TYKUHN2> I can enforce it based on IPs or something like a signiture/key
L1621[21:35:35] <TYKUHN2> Also I don't have a working Lua environment ?
L1622[21:35:38] <viomi> TYKUHN2, well from what his docs and such say, I believe he was thinking IP address.
L1623[21:35:41] <viomi> rest in peace lua
L1624[21:35:52] <Saphire> viomi: nope
L1625[21:36:13] <Saphire> Because it's hard to carry a fullsized KB along with my mobile phone
L1626[21:36:31] <TYKUHN2> Though I do have the go-ahead to write the GEDS code in any language I choose so I can do something like C++ (Which I have begun optimization for)
L1627[21:36:53] <Izaya> I should really start packing my bluetooth keyboard
L1628[21:36:56] <Izaya> It's useful
L1629[21:37:13] <viomi> @Saphire: I guess I'm confused how you're going to play a MUD on your phone, but maybe that's just choice. No, I don't know of any good MUD clients for android.
L1630[21:37:18] <viomi> Though.. Could always start making one.
L1631[21:37:38] <TYKUHN2> I originally thought maybe he's thinking IP addresses, but he's not recording that (maybe because it's not finished) so I was wondering.
L1632[21:38:04] <viomi> TYKUHN2: He had told me IP addresses, yesterday or the day before. :>
L1633[21:38:13] <TYKUHN2> Plus I can kind of not care about IP addresses, obfuscate them out.
L1634[21:38:24] <TYKUHN2> Yeah I currently have it set to IP addresses ?
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L1636[21:39:13] <Firingpan> do i just need the inventory controller upgrade or do i have to have both
L1637[21:39:16] <viomi> Well I know C++ so expect some pull requests from me ;>
L1638[21:39:26] <viomi> Firingpan: For?
L1639[21:39:33] <Firingpan> robots
L1640[21:39:59] <viomi> To achieve..?
L1641[21:40:19] <TYKUHN2> I've actually heavily diverted from the original whitepaper. Especially since he forgot to think about passive connection ?
L1642[21:40:32] <Firingpan> what? achieve i just want to know if i need them both or not
L1643[21:40:39] <Saphire> viomi: because I'm lazy ass who likes to chat and etc from phone most of the time
L1644[21:40:42] <TYKUHN2> Honestly I wouldn't trust the whitepaper for GERTe anymore
L1645[21:41:15] <TYKUHN2> I've also geared it more for public running with private authenticity sort of.
L1646[21:41:32] <TYKUHN2> *sort of* is important
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L1648[21:42:15] <viomi> Saphire: Well.. I'm thinking there should be a telnet client for android somewhere. Wouldn't know one off the top of my head.
L1649[21:42:21] <TYKUHN2> I was kind of thinking "I really don't want to be running this software myself" ?
L1650[21:42:33] <Firingpan> so do i?
L1651[21:42:49] <viomi> TYKUHN2: I'm assuming you'd run it off a little droplet or home server or something.
L1652[21:42:56] <TYKUHN2> Actually Viomi I posted the draft I am writing to the "Rewrite GERTe" issue.
L1653[21:43:19] <viomi> Firingpan: You only asked about the inventory controller upgrade. What else do you think you need?
L1654[21:43:20] <TYKUHN2> Actually I *can't* host it due to routing issues.
L1655[21:43:57] <viomi> TYKUHN2: Idea!
L1656[21:44:37] <viomi> What if you didn't need to run the program at all?
L1657[21:44:50] <TYKUHN2> How so?
L1658[21:45:20] <viomi> Well, that text file with the numbers got me thinking..
L1659[21:45:36] <TYKUHN2> Let me stop you there.
L1660[21:45:51] <TYKUHN2> MC servers never accept connections. OC cannot communicate to OC without an intermediate.
L1661[21:46:04] <TYKUHN2> The primary reason for GEPS which caused the most issues.
L1662[21:46:52] <viomi> Why would an MC server accept communication from your server running this software and not someone else's server running GERTi?
L1663[21:47:00] <TYKUHN2> (For reference GERT is Routing Technology, GEPS is Passive/Proxy Server, GENS is Number/Name Server, and GEDS is Data Service/Server)
L1664[21:47:47] <TYKUHN2> Viomi the idea is both servers connect to a GERTe structure of combined GEDS servers all interconnected, which communicate and pass messages back through persistent connections.
L1665[21:48:10] <TYKUHN2> Technically for a while a single server is far more than enough ?
L1666[21:48:49] <viomi> Yes, I get the idea. I just don't understand why you need all this intermediary. I'm failing to understand why OC can't talk to OC w/o intermediary. I mean, they can already connect to the net.
L1667[21:49:02] <TYKUHN2> Infact I'd suspect each GEDS server gets drastically slower because of horrible routing on my end.
L1668[21:49:38] <TYKUHN2> MC servers have no code that allows incoming connections. Why would they? How would it know what OC computer to connect it to?
L1669[21:49:39] <TYKUHN2> Notice how the internet API/Component has no server/accept function?
L1670[21:50:18] <TYKUHN2> It's really the main issue I'm trying to address. GERTi is basically routing and GERTe is basically intermediate.
L1671[21:50:37] <viomi> How would it accept connection from your server running this software then..?
L1672[21:50:46] <viomi> Or, whoever's server runs it. You know what I mean.
L1673[21:51:46] <TYKUHN2> Server A connects to GEDS. Server B connects to GEDS. Server A send packet to GEDS addressed to a computer on Server B. GEDS sends this packet to Server B over the already open connection. Server B closes connection. Server A sends another packet. GEDS fails due to closed connection.
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L1675[21:53:11] <TYKUHN2> Which by the way reminded my to build in a "failure" status
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L1677[21:53:50] <TYKUHN2> Yes as I sit here I am still drafting. I probably won't stop for a while ?
L1678[21:53:57] <viomi> I see.
L1679[21:54:20] <TYKUHN2> It's called a "passive" connection IIRC.
L1680[21:54:27] <viomi> And Server A / Server B couldn't open connection to eachother at the same time I assume.
L1681[21:54:27] <TYKUHN2> Which is where the P in GEPS comes from ?
L1682[21:54:43] <TYKUHN2> No, networking isn't trusted to be that reliable
L1683[21:55:01] <TYKUHN2> Plus it's really just assumed to be two unrelated services that happened to want each other's targets.
L1684[21:55:12] <TYKUHN2> Errr... sources.
L1685[21:55:18] <viomi> Gotcha.
L1686[21:55:34] <TYKUHN2> In networking very little information about software is actually required to be passed.
L1687[21:55:43] <viomi> Izaya: Definitely agree. Keyboards rule, touchscreens drool
L1688[21:56:40] <TYKUHN2> There's even a little bit of failsafe built in, because multiple potential GEDS to rely on.
L1689[21:57:37] <TYKUHN2> 9 bit number is the biggest that fits within 3 digits...
L1690[21:57:45] <TYKUHN2> Dang it MGR! ?
L1691[21:57:55] <viomi> Lol.
L1692[21:58:04] <viomi> BRB lovelies, Gotta reboot.
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L1694[21:58:31] <TYKUHN2> 9989001 possible addresses. Wonder if MGR might be willing to resign to reducing that for the sake of optimization.
L1695[21:59:29] <TYKUHN2> I don't like sending 7 to 10 bytes for just that number
L1696[21:59:44] <TYKUHN2> 99880020999 full addresses.
L1697[22:02:04] <Saphire> ...
L1698[22:02:20] <Saphire> For fucks she, just make it one whole byte
L1699[22:02:26] <Saphire> *sake
L1700[22:03:02] <Izaya> wat
L1701[22:03:48] <TYKUHN2> Around 37-38 bits to contain it all
L1702[22:04:18] <TYKUHN2> Give it around 5 bytes maybe contain it smaller
L1703[22:04:48] <TYKUHN2> Half size isn't so bad. Not sure it's worth it though ?
L1704[22:05:48] <TYKUHN2> Though if I propagate realtime information of registered GERTs I might be able to use that small optimization
L1705[22:10:23] <MichiBot> REMINDER Kodos Yargami Warframe
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L1707[22:11:34] <viomi> Back.
L1708[22:12:24] <Saphire> Oh wait, derp
L1709[22:12:39] <Saphire> Izaya: misread things x.x
L1710[22:13:01] <Izaya> no but
L1711[22:13:04] <Izaya> why would it be that many bytes
L1712[22:13:16] <Izaya> fuck, 16 bits is plenty of address space
L1713[22:13:37] <TYKUHN2> 999*9999*9999 is basically what MGR has designed in his completely obliterated whitepaper ?
L1714[22:13:42] <TYKUHN2> Oops
L1715[22:13:46] <Izaya> what
L1716[22:13:48] <Izaya> why
L1717[22:13:49] <TYKUHN2> Well in IRC that probably looks fine
L1718[22:13:51] <Izaya> why not a sane number
L1719[22:13:57] <TYKUHN2> I wouldn't know
L1720[22:14:09] <TYKUHN2> I'd be find with 4 bytes or a 32bit number
L1721[22:14:11] <Izaya> middle manglement writes a networking stack
L1722[22:14:12] <Izaya> yeah
L1723[22:14:33] <TYKUHN2> Or atleast fill out the rest of the 5th byte.
L1724[22:14:35] <Saphire> What the fuck
L1725[22:14:37] <Saphire> What
L1726[22:14:46] <TYKUHN2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L1727[22:14:49] <Saphire> 999*9999*9999? What
L1728[22:15:02] <TYKUHN2> It's 3-4-4 in decimal IIRC
L1729[22:15:11] <Saphire> Oh, that
L1730[22:15:14] <Saphire> ... Why
L1731[22:15:19] <Saphire> Just..
L1732[22:15:40] <Saphire> FFFF:FFFF would work just as well
L1733[22:15:41] <TYKUHN2> It's designed to be "similar" to telephones
L1734[22:15:48] <Saphire> ...
L1735[22:16:03] <Saphire> Really>
L1736[22:16:05] <Saphire> *?
L1737[22:16:12] <TYKUHN2> I am just trying optimization because it makes my life when I do the C++ much easier. And of course C++ is always going to be somewhat faster.
L1738[22:16:49] <TYKUHN2> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/GERT/blob/master/GERT%20Whitepaper.txt
L1739[22:17:02] <viomi> It's supposed to be like old dial-up.
L1740[22:17:10] <viomi> I thought it was nostalgic, tbh.
L1741[22:17:23] <TYKUHN2> I kinda like it. I just find it annoying to optimize ?
L1742[22:17:31] * Izaya checks what a phone number looks like
L1743[22:17:36] <TYKUHN2> But yeah no design and end-user wise I prefer it honestly.
L1744[22:17:48] <TYKUHN2> Just programmer wise kill it with fire.
L1745[22:18:09] <Izaya> xxx-xxx-xxxx
L1746[22:18:10] <Saphire> viomi: well
L1747[22:18:19] <TYKUHN2> Also I can't really use half a byte because most socket APIs/Libraries are byte based
L1748[22:18:27] <Saphire> Izaya: don't forget country codes
L1749[22:18:42] <viomi> The number he gave me was an xxx-xxxx
L1750[22:18:45] <Saphire> Honestly, modern telephony.. it's same internet but with different protocols
L1751[22:19:14] <TYKUHN2> I belive GERT of xxx-xxxx is GERTe and xxx-xxxx-xxxx is GERTi extension of GERTe IIRC
L1752[22:19:33] <TYKUHN2> Which is MORE than enough
L1753[22:19:37] <Izaya> so GERTi is like a national exchange
L1754[22:19:40] <Izaya> egh
L1755[22:20:08] <TYKUHN2> GERTi is internal to a server and GERTe is external so I can see where it was going.
L1756[22:20:21] <TYKUHN2> I honestly think it needs to be a bit more dynamic
L1757[22:20:59] <TYKUHN2> Ofc non-MC computers can act as gateways and act as GERT encapsulated DNS or even just gateways connect to DNS servers. So dynamcism isn't impossible.
L1758[22:21:31] <TYKUHN2> Which I am thinking of probably building a GERT stack on my Pi. Just so I can use it's passivity for other uses.
L1759[22:22:49] <Izaya> can you pcall require?
L1760[22:22:57] <TYKUHN2> Yes
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L1762[22:23:05] <TYKUHN2> pcall(require, path)
L1763[22:23:08] <TYKUHN2> Well
L1764[22:23:16] <TYKUHN2> The keyword require might become odd there.
L1765[22:23:27] <TYKUHN2> If it does try _G.require
L1766[22:24:12] <TYKUHN2> www.lua.org’s server DNS address could not be found. OH SHIT
L1767[22:25:16] <TYKUHN2> I can't get my lua fix!
L1768[22:25:59] <Kodos> Wish I could get a hold of Shetiphian
L1769[22:26:36] <TYKUHN2> Izaya pcall(require) doesn't work but pcall(_G.require) works as it is explicitly the function version.
L1770[22:27:31] <TYKUHN2> Kodos I googled that and got MC mods.
L1771[22:27:37] <Kodos> AYe
L1772[22:27:43] <Kodos> I needed info on MultiStorage, one of his
L1773[22:27:47] <Izaya> Excellent
L1774[22:27:56] <TYKUHN2> Oh I see
L1775[22:27:58] <Izaya> Let's find out if it works in plain Lua
L1776[22:28:02] <TYKUHN2> I read it wrong Kodos ?
L1777[22:28:12] <TYKUHN2> Izaya I tested it on a Cygwin built Lua 5.3.4
L1778[22:28:26] <TYKUHN2> My ONLY working build
L1779[22:28:31] <TYKUHN2> Beyond my router... maybe my pi.
L1780[22:28:45] <Izaya> >windows
L1781[22:28:58] <TYKUHN2> Ahh my pi has a build
L1782[22:29:03] <TYKUHN2> Forgot about that
L1783[22:29:09] <Izaya> my router has 5.1
L1784[22:29:22] <TYKUHN2> Mine too. I really should probably upgrade that
L1785[22:29:32] <TYKUHN2> Build Lua 5.3 with module compt.
L1786[22:29:34] <CompanionCube> can we just obliterate the entire global empire off the face of the planet?
L1787[22:29:37] <Izaya> print(pcall(require,"socket")) works
L1788[22:29:46] <CompanionCube> it seems like the most sane option here.
L1789[22:29:53] <TYKUHN2> CompanionCube: me too? ?
L1790[22:30:18] <Izaya> That would make me very happy, CompanionCube
L1791[22:30:38] <TYKUHN2> But I'm the one that get's to shut down things like S3 ?
L1792[22:32:11] <TYKUHN2> Though I'm not very good at routing. Maybe I shouldn't have shut S3 down.
L1793[22:32:20] <Izaya> S3 is sane
L1794[22:32:26] <Izaya> the not-very-global empire isn't
L1795[22:32:47] <TYKUHN2> Izaya there's a very good reason I haven't looked at GERTi.
L1796[22:34:05] <CompanionCube> if you decide to make a naming scheme and it depends on a specific address/routing format, I will personally beat you with Temia's axe if I can get away with it :3
L1797[22:34:08] <S3> TYKUHN2 There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be part of Ocranet :P
L1798[22:34:09] <TYKUHN2> Actually I'll have to look at OCR again. Doesn't fit GERT from what I understand but I'd enjoy seeing it maybe come together somewhere else
L1799[22:34:47] <TYKUHN2> I could see some uses for it
L1800[22:35:00] <TYKUHN2> I just don't know it
L1801[22:35:07] <Temia> >.>
L1802[22:35:24] <Temia> What did I miss out on?
L1803[22:35:30] <Temia> And who's getting beaten with my axe?
L1804[22:35:31] <TYKUHN2> Not sure
L1805[22:35:42] <Temia> I mean, if it's a good enough reason I can always just do it myself.
L1806[22:36:03] <TYKUHN2> I was talking about Lua 5.3.4 and my builds lying around when Companion got an anti Global going ?
L1807[22:37:29] <TYKUHN2> If there is one thing I learned about making GERT though.... it's don't trust people. Make your own drafts. GENS needed GEPS and GEPS died from the start. If I had known to try drafting I might have gone straight to other solutions.
L1808[22:39:23] <TYKUHN2> Vimio you know C++ you said?
L1809[22:39:40] <viomi> Yeah. But brb again, sorry. I'll be back soon, promise.
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L1812[22:55:10] <RavenBoy> Hello?
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L1814[22:56:46] <Temia> And goodbye. :v
L1815[22:59:37] <TYKUHN2> BTW
L1816[22:59:45] <TYKUHN2> My keybinding is set to left alt shift
L1817[22:59:51] <TYKUHN2> But only left control shit works
L1818[23:01:05] <TYKUHN2> Anyways
L1819[23:01:12] <TYKUHN2> ¡Adíos!
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L1821[23:22:26] <gamax92> Question, where did Temia get her axe from?
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L1827[23:30:20] <viomi> Oof.
L1828[23:30:30] <viomi> Rest in peace all the data on that SSD I just had to wipe.
L1829[23:32:34] <viomi> TYKUHN2: You still alive?
L1830[23:36:14] <CompanionCube> viomi: is the wiping a good thing
L1831[23:36:41] <viomi> CompanionCube: no
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L1833[23:36:52] <viomi> It's a "windows was a fucktard and corrupted my entire SSD" thing
L1834[23:37:33] <viomi> This is why I should just delete my win dualboot and just go full arch..
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L1837[23:39:26] <CompanionCube> ....oh
L1838[23:39:30] <CompanionCube> dafuq?
L1839[23:40:06] <viomi> Yeahh
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