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L1[00:00:51] <payonel> ha
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L19[02:52:51] <bamajoe411> is there a way to print non-vanilla textures in the 3d printer?
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L21[02:58:20] <Vexatos> Yes?
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L23[02:58:56] <Vexatos> bamajoe411, use the Texture Picker to find out the name
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L26[03:08:31] <bamajoe411> it isnt working
L27[03:09:38] <bamajoe411> i used it and it said texture name is adraconicevolution:blocks/draconium_block
L28[03:11:00] <bamajoe411> nvm i saw my typo
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L30[04:25:19] <Inari> %stab MichiBot
L31[04:25:20] * MichiBot uses term to vaporize Inari
L32[04:26:38] <Forecaster> %inv add term
L33[04:26:40] <MichiBot> Forecaster: I already have one of those.
L34[04:28:22] <Inari> Oh neat :P
L35[04:31:57] <Forecaster> and the favourite item is protected from regular remove now :>
L36[04:32:50] <Ashindigo_> %inv remove Forecaster's favorite item
L37[04:32:55] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: No such item
L38[04:33:58] <Forecaster> that's not what I meant xD
L39[04:35:19] <Ashindigo_> %inv list
L40[04:35:23] <MichiBot> Message to long to send to channel https://paste.pc-logix.com/izedivohun
L41[04:36:26] <Ashindigo_> %inv remove favorite
L42[04:36:26] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: Removed item from inventory
L43[04:40:29] <Forecaster> nor that :P
L44[04:44:05] <Izaya> guys
L45[04:44:11] <Izaya> I got my tinyserver to work
L46[04:44:12] <Izaya> http://pb.i0i0.me/p/pkhZulyz
L47[04:44:50] <Inari> %inv add a Temia-tan plushy that muus if you squeeze it
L48[04:44:52] <MichiBot> Inari: Added 'a Temia-tan plushy that muus if you squeeze it' to inventory.
L49[04:45:24] <Inari> Gimme factorio 0.15 already D: And ME:A
L50[04:45:40] <Forecaster> %inv add Factorio 0.15
L51[04:45:40] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'Factorio 0.15' to inventory.
L52[04:45:51] <Inari> :p
L53[04:46:11] <Ashindigo_> %give Inari Factorio 0.15
L54[04:46:12] * MichiBot gives Inari Factorio 0.15 from her inventory
L55[04:46:23] <Inari> Unfortunately thats not how it works
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L61[05:52:43] <Kodos> I'm kind of tempted to try and make an mcmmo server
L62[05:54:29] <Ashindigo_> Mcmmo?
L63[05:54:51] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/xurcth.jpg tiny server next to T420
L64[05:58:41] <Ashindigo_> %inv add tiny server
L65[05:58:41] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: Added 'tiny server' to inventory.
L66[06:00:49] <Izaya> %inv list
L67[06:00:50] <MichiBot> Message to long to send to channel https://paste.pc-logix.com/oxibecolen
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L85[07:33:22] <Izaya> %p
L86[07:33:25] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Izaya 2.9s
L87[07:33:27] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Izaya 2.6s
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L89[07:49:42] * vifino snuggles Lizzy
L90[07:49:51] * Lizzy snuggles vifino
L91[07:49:53] <Lizzy> :3
L92[08:03:02] * Ashindigo_ feels like he's going to regret this next %choose
L93[08:03:10] <Ashindigo_> %choose 1 or 2 or 3
L94[08:03:12] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: 2
L95[08:03:36] <Ashindigo_> Oh good you don't hate me michibot
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L97[08:13:22] *** ds84182 is now known as Achai
L98[08:19:40] <Inari> Lizzy: @your retweet from 3 days ago: Haha, I do know some anxiety issues :P Luckily not so big that I feel like having to throw up though
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L102[08:57:36] <Lizzy> Inari, yeah, don't really like that feeling
L103[08:58:43] <Temia> It's an awful feeling, to be sure :<
L104[09:04:16] <Skye> hugs?
L105[09:04:51] * Izaya distributes pillows
L106[09:04:57] <Izaya> Apparently that helps sometimes
L107[09:13:37] <Forecaster> %inv add Pillows
L108[09:13:39] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'Pillows' to inventory.
L109[09:21:51] * Lizzy grabs two pillows and continues snuggling vifino
L110[10:05:17] * Ashindigo_ grabs a pillow and snuggles with it
L111[10:12:43] * vifino snuggles Lizzy
L112[10:13:48] <TYKUHN2> Snuggling pillows?
L113[10:18:53] <gamax92> Full body curl around a pillow
L114[10:23:25] <Inari> %inv add a dakimakura with a scantily clad character
L115[10:23:29] <MichiBot> Inari: Added 'a dakimakura with a scantily clad character' to inventory.
L116[10:25:24] <TYKUHN2> Thought this was rated E?
L117[10:26:03] <gamax92> no it's rated TV-G
L118[11:08:41] <Ashindigo_> %choose yes or no
L119[11:08:45] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: no
L120[11:08:57] <gamax92> did it choose yes or no or did it refuse to choose :O
L121[11:09:57] <Ashindigo_> That is the question
L122[11:15:50] <linuxdaemon> anyone know if there are any plans to add the ability to interface with in game chat to OC?
L123[11:16:00] <Forecaster> debug card
L124[11:16:01] <Mimiru> Computronics, chat boxes
L125[11:16:04] <Mimiru> or debug card
L126[11:16:12] <Ashindigo_> Computromics
L127[11:16:53] <gamax92> Debug Card
L128[11:17:15] <linuxdaemon> debug card could only write iirc, and has computronics been updated?
L129[11:17:28] <gamax92> Computronics has infact updated and active
L130[11:17:56] * gamax92 pokes Vexatos
L131[11:19:26] <linuxdaemon> yeah, my current hesitation with computronics is I'm running a server and would prefer to not tweak the pack (running DW20 1.10.2)
L132[11:19:42] <Ashindigo_> Tweak it!
L133[11:19:50] <Mimiru> Ahh mod packs...
L134[11:19:51] <Mimiru> fuck 'em
L135[11:19:52] <Mimiru> :P
L136[11:20:26] <gamax92> Computronics is usually a good addition though, I don't know what mods are in the DW20 pack but Computronics adds in a lot of OC integration between various mods.
L137[11:20:31] <Ashindigo_> %inv add a mod pack
L138[11:20:31] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: Added 'a mod pack' to inventory.
L139[11:21:37] <linuxdaemon> yeah, I may consider it, mostly don't wat to have to make people add a mod just for this little thing though
L140[11:21:50] * A_D whistles
L141[11:22:45] <Forecaster> but computrainix has many little things
L142[11:23:17] <linuxdaemon> yeah, it looks really nice, if I build my own pack again I'll probably add it
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L144[11:45:42] <gamax92> Why is all my disk space gone? oh there's 7 old kernels installed
L145[11:46:29] <linuxdaemon> that reminds me.. I need to clean up the SSD on my VM box, have like 3 old disk images laying around
L146[11:48:14] <Lizzy> Mum: "ham, tuna, cheese or cornedbeef" me: "yes"
L147[11:53:16] <Forecaster> all of the above!
L148[11:53:24] <Forecaster> all of the to the left!
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L151[12:03:23] <A_D> So uhh...
L152[12:03:43] <Ashindigo_> ?
L153[12:03:47] <Forecaster> Cabbages
L154[12:03:54] <A_D> was for effect and I can't type quickly
L155[12:05:03] <Vexatos> gamax92, I have been poked.
L156[12:05:20] <A_D> we were playing with setting users on computers, and seeing if there are ways to get the components out of a computer that was locked to someone else, and I ended up using a hopper on a computer that linuxdaemon owns, which did pull out hardware, I don't know if that would be called a bug or not, but I thought I'd bring it up
L157[12:06:05] <Forecaster> what do you mean "owns"?
L158[12:06:24] <A_D> as in component.computer.addUser()
L159[12:07:02] <Forecaster> I've never used that
L160[12:07:02] <payonel> o/
L161[12:07:27] <A_D> it locks the computer to a user, anyone else cannot type or open the case's inventory
L162[12:07:39] <Vexatos> linuxdaemon, Computronics also allows stuff like properly getting information from a bunch of EnderIO blocks (including but not limited to the capacitor bank) so it is generally quite useful :⁾
L163[12:07:39] <A_D> anyone else not on the user list*
L164[12:07:46] <Forecaster> sounds like a bug
L165[12:07:58] <Forecaster> submit a ticket
L166[12:08:06] <Forecaster> if there isn't already one
L167[12:08:52] <linuxdaemon> Vexatos: heh yeah, I'm planning to play with it in my OC test instance, it looks pretty nice
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L169[12:11:03] <gamax92> linuxdaemon: sound cards!
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L171[12:13:59] <Vexatos> Sound Cards are probably the second best thing in the mod
L172[12:14:17] <Vexatos> Just skim through the in-game manual to find out half of the mod >_>
L173[12:15:42] <payonel> gamax92: i haven't traced the code in ocemu for this, but do you not report escape events by choice because in game wouldn't match that behavior? or was it a special case you didn't care to fix (For the same reason)
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L175[12:16:23] <Leothehero2110> Hello
L176[12:16:47] <Forecaster> hi again
L177[12:16:54] <Leothehero2110> :)
L178[12:16:59] <Leothehero2110> So you remember me
L179[12:17:04] <Leothehero2110> didn't expect that
L180[12:18:27] <Leothehero2110> I'm at a bit of a loss in what to do right now, Does anyone have any scripts they can recommend to me?
L181[12:18:40] <Forecaster> well, my client told me you were here 4 minutes ago
L182[12:18:41] <Forecaster> :P
L183[12:18:59] <Leothehero2110> aah, that's probably my power gen system shutting down
L184[12:19:23] <Leothehero2110> it's a bit... temporamental... (is that how the word is spelt?)
L185[12:19:34] <Forecaster> temperamental
L186[12:19:39] <Leothehero2110> :)
L187[12:19:57] <Leothehero2110> one mo, I'm gonna transfer IRC to a seperate computer for a sec
L188[12:20:01] <MGR> Leothehero2110, what type of scripts are you looking for?
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L190[12:20:25] <Leothehero2110> well, any fun script, I have lots of mods installed so Any you can think of really
L191[12:20:54] <MGR> Leothehero2110, do you have OpenSecurity?
L192[12:21:02] <Leothehero2110> no I do not
L193[12:21:10] <Leothehero2110> what does it do, security wise
L194[12:21:25] <MGR> It adds turrets and doors and entity readers and lots of cool stuff
L195[12:21:43] <MGR> My TACEATS2 uses it to defend a particular area against any intruders
L196[12:21:49] <Gavle> S3, are you there?
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L198[12:22:05] <Leothehero2110> well, I have openmodularturrets, malisis doors
L199[12:22:13] <gamax92> payonel: because it matches in game behaviour
L200[12:22:33] <MGR> TACEATS2 does not currently support openmodularturrets unfortunately
L201[12:22:52] <Leothehero2110> aah
L202[12:23:09] <Leothehero2110> what does taceats2 do exactly, is it just a defence system?
L203[12:23:20] <MGR> Currently, yes
L204[12:23:33] <Leothehero2110> and Is it a program, or an "OS" of sorts
L205[12:23:44] <MGR> The end goal is TACEATS-U, which is area control, data collection, and pre-emptive offensive
L206[12:23:49] <MGR> It's just a program
L207[12:23:53] <Leothehero2110> aah
L208[12:24:11] <Leothehero2110> I think having it as a bootable OS would be kinda cool
L209[12:24:26] <MGR> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/TACEATS
L210[12:24:39] <MGR> You can create a .shrc file that runs it on buit
L211[12:24:39] <Leothehero2110> the joy of having two monitors
L212[12:24:40] <MGR> boot*
L213[12:24:51] <MGR> It's also not really an OS
L214[12:24:57] <MGR> It just runs and does its job
L215[12:25:04] <Leothehero2110> ok
L216[12:25:38] <MGR> that github link I sent holds the files
L217[12:25:49] <Leothehero2110> i guessed aas much
L218[12:25:52] <Leothehero2110> *as
L219[12:27:14] <Leothehero2110> going offline for a mo
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L222[12:30:11] <Leothehero2110> back
L223[12:30:34] <MGR> ?
L224[12:31:06] <Leothehero2110> I switched the computer running irc
L225[12:31:17] <Leothehero2110> so I can have my server and irc running at the same time
L226[12:31:37] <MGR> That's nice
L227[12:33:13] <Leothehero2110> question, do you have a program that can link two or more computers together via networking?
L228[12:33:25] <Leothehero2110> or say a linked card
L229[12:33:30] <MGR> dude
L230[12:33:34] <MGR> ?
L231[12:33:41] <MGR> You would be looking for GERTi!
L232[12:33:47] <Leothehero2110> :)
L233[12:33:51] <MGR> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/GERT
L234[12:33:57] <MGR> Unfortunately, it isn't quite done
L235[12:34:01] <Leothehero2110> again, the joy of having a second monitor
L236[12:34:12] <Gavle> Lol, I was just about to say that I was just starting work on the frontend now
L237[12:34:16] <Skye> Leothehero2110, on a minecraft game or across minecraft games
L238[12:34:29] <Leothehero2110> same world
L239[12:34:30] <Gavle> fortuitous timing indeed
L240[12:35:24] <Skye> Leothehero2110, simple, relays and network cables
L241[12:35:40] <Leothehero2110> and a suggestion for taceat, may i suggest building GERTi and making it so that multiple computers can communicate on the same security system?
L242[12:36:01] <Skye> you don't need GERT if it's a simple system
L243[12:36:10] <Leothehero2110> yeah, the problem is I don't know much coding yet, so i'm not completely sure how to open tunnels or broadcast messages...
L244[12:36:36] <Skye> ah
L245[12:36:43] <MGR> Leothehero2110, that's TACEATS2-EX ?
L246[12:36:47] <Skye> there's not really anything for OC that's "user friendly"
L247[12:36:57] <Leothehero2110> yeah i figured
L248[12:37:09] <Skye> and... well... @MGR, even a network system doesn't add functionality
L249[12:37:13] <Gavle> Leothehero2110, if you're comfortable with waiting, I can hit you up with a beta build of GERTi that involves the ability to actually send messages
L250[12:37:27] <MGR> Skye, yes, but GERTi makes it easier to network
L251[12:37:46] <Skye> honestly no
L252[12:38:02] <MGR> how is that?
L253[12:38:12] <Leothehero2110> okay, that sounds good, but my main goal here is to be able to have multiple computers connected to the same security network
L254[12:38:22] <Skye> maybe internetwork
L255[12:38:29] *** medsouz|offline is now known as medsouz
L256[12:38:36] <Skye> Leothehero2110, how much programming do you know?
L257[12:38:43] <Leothehero2110> practically nothing
L258[12:38:50] <Leothehero2110> :(
L259[12:38:52] <Gavle> GERTi lets you do that
L260[12:39:09] <Leothehero2110> can gerti and taceaets "communicate"
L261[12:39:12] <Gavle> With the beta build, just dial in modem addresses, and it will set up a connection that you just read and write from/to
L262[12:39:20] <Leothehero2110> hmmm
L263[12:39:21] <MGR> Not at the moment
L264[12:39:39] <Skye> Gavle, @MGR: how will that actually help with Leothehero2110's problem?
L265[12:40:05] <MGR> I'm helping Gavle and @TYKUHN2 get the complete GERT package running, and then I'll be picking up TACEATS and Bagel once more
L266[12:40:10] <MGR> Skye, it will make his networking easier
L267[12:40:17] <Skye> how so?
L268[12:40:19] <Leothehero2110> my goal is to have my server at one base, but link it to computers around my world and have it so if something goes off at one base, it alerts the other bases
L269[12:40:30] <Gavle> Leothehero2110, GERTi will make that super easy
L270[12:40:37] <Skye> Leothehero2110, well... It's simple for the physical infrastructure
L271[12:40:38] <Leothehero2110> ok
L272[12:40:44] <Vexatos> But
L273[12:40:48] <Vexatos> It's not hard in OpenOS either
L274[12:40:52] <MGR> Skye, he just puts in addresses and pushes/pulls data from there
L275[12:40:53] <Skye> linked cards and relays
L276[12:40:59] <Vexatos> In fact, adding such boilerplate code will just make it much more messy
L277[12:41:07] <Gavle> boilerplate?
L278[12:41:08] <Skye> @MGR, that is literally how OC built in network cards work.
L279[12:41:22] <MGR> I'm obviously doing a bad explanation
L280[12:41:28] <Skye> except less messing around with dialing
L281[12:41:28] <MGR> It'll be easier with the code in hand
L282[12:41:42] <MGR> It's a single function call
L283[12:41:57] <Leothehero2110> i'll innitiate the installation of the two programmes, i may not respond for a bit
L284[12:42:22] <Gavle> Leothehero2110, I wouldn't install GERTi yet
L285[12:42:23] <Skye> Corded, SO IS THE BUILT IN NETWORKING
L286[12:42:29] <Gavle> that won't actually be functional
L287[12:42:35] <Skye> @MGR
L288[12:42:45] <MGR> Skye, I'm not Corded ? also, like I said, I'm doing a bad job of explaining
L289[12:42:52] <Leothehero2110> ok, i'll lay off gerti for now
L290[12:42:56] <MGR> GERTi also tolerates hopping across computers
L291[12:43:01] <MGR> build in networking does not
L292[12:43:14] <Skye> overreenginerring
L293[12:43:38] <MGR> I propose we just table this until the code is done
L294[12:43:51] <Gavle> Yes, because this is slowing that down tremendously
L295[12:44:00] <Leothehero2110> also, do capitals matter with wget urls or can i skip capitals
L296[12:44:37] <Skye> Leothehero2110, they don't matter
L297[12:44:39] <Skye> well
L298[12:44:41] <Skye> they shouldn't
L299[12:46:55] <Leothehero2110> I got an error with installing taceats
L300[12:47:07] <Leothehero2110> something to do with wFF
L301[12:47:54] <Leothehero2110> hello?
L302[12:48:47] <MGR> Oh uh
L303[12:48:58] <MGR> there needs to be a names.txt in /usr/programs
L304[12:49:14] <Leothehero2110> um is it an empty file or do i download it
L305[12:50:20] <MGR> it contains the usernames of any players who are allowed to be in that area
L306[12:50:30] <MGR> Which can be blank, but then it would also shoot you
L307[12:50:39] <MGR> Also, TACEATS won't work without OpenSecurity
L308[12:51:52] <Leothehero2110> k
L309[12:53:00] <Leothehero2110> I'll be offline for a bit, i have over 200 mods installed
L310[12:53:07] <Leothehero2110> seeya in a sec
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L312[12:54:26] <Gavle> ~w filesystem
L313[12:54:27] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:filesystem
L314[13:01:23] <Skye> I wonder if I should make a light weight implementation of the GERT API
L315[13:01:44] <Gavle> Skye, what?
L316[13:02:35] <Skye> you are saying that GERT will have a user friendly API
L317[13:02:52] <Skye> I could clone that and build it on top of OC's existing systems to make it works on the cheap
L318[13:04:02] <Gavle> A. I wasn't talking about an "API", I was talking about the frontend interface
L319[13:04:36] <Gavle> B. The interface is built on OC's existing systems, and any improvements should be submitted to https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/GERT so that we can make it better
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L321[13:06:43] <Gavle> Skye
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L323[13:07:15] <Skye> Gavle, alternative implementation that removes the "global" part
L324[13:08:21] <Gavle> what?
L325[13:09:08] <Skye> Gavle, I'm talking about making an implementation of your APIs that doesn't need GERT if they are better than existing OC APIs
L326[13:09:15] <Skye> as in local network using the same code
L327[13:10:53] <Gavle> what?
L328[13:11:00] <Gavle> GERTi just does local networking
L329[13:11:18] <Gavle> oh, I think the naming convention is confusing you
L330[13:11:26] <Skye> yes, yes it is.
L331[13:11:37] <Gavle> GERT is the superset of a full GERTe+GERTi implementation
L332[13:11:51] <Gavle> computers on that network can locally network, and transfer data across servers
L333[13:12:01] <Gavle> GERTe allows 2 computers on different MC servers to talk
L334[13:12:10] <Gavle> GERTi handles networking within a server
L335[13:12:22] <Gavle> There is no "GERT" API, it's all built against OC's built in functions
L336[13:12:34] <Skye> then... what on earth was @MGR talking about
L337[13:12:40] <Gavle> except for GENS and GEPS, which don't concern end users
L338[13:12:45] <MGR> what?
L339[13:13:32] <MGR> Skye, I don't know what you're referring to
L340[13:13:48] <Skye> you were talking about how GERT would make it easier
L341[13:14:44] <Skye> so... were you just making stuff up?
L342[13:16:09] <MGR> I was not
L343[13:16:18] <MGR> GERTi takes the form of a library
L344[13:16:27] <MGR> Have you looked at the code?
L345[13:16:49] <Skye> no because I'm doing homework
L346[13:17:24] * Skye looks quickly
L347[13:17:32] <Skye> 1. okay, that's less code than I expected
L348[13:18:01] <Skye> 2. I could find a way to make even less code with a simpler protocol
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L350[13:19:13] <Skye> just need to know the user API with docs and then I can implement something
L351[13:19:47] <Ashindigo_> ~w computer
L352[13:19:48] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:computer
L353[13:20:33] <Gavle> Skye, the documentation is a WIP
L354[13:20:45] <Gavle> Also, there's less code than you expected because it is not done yet
L355[13:20:51] <Skye> heh
L356[13:21:11] <Skye> once you have a usable API, tell me and I'll try to rip you off, I mean improve it.
L357[13:22:38] <Gavle> There won't be an API for extending GERTi Skye, because that would make no sense
L358[13:22:48] <Skye> not extending
L359[13:22:49] <Skye> FOR USING
L360[13:23:03] <Gavle> that's just the front-end interface
L361[13:23:09] <Gavle> and people can use that however they want
L362[13:24:21] <Skye> so I'll just make a compatible but competeing front end interface
L363[13:24:26] <Skye> that's faster and lighter
L364[13:25:47] <Gavle> But there's no reason to
L365[13:25:56] <Gavle> Because if it's faster, we would like to know about
L366[13:26:06] <Gavle> so we can just incorporate it
L367[13:26:09] <Forecaster> fiiiigh
L368[13:26:28] <Forecaster> trial by combat, I mean programming
L369[13:26:30] <Skye> Gavle, I can make it faster by removing router
L370[13:26:41] <Skye> and using the OC network standard
L371[13:27:15] <Skye> as long as you have a user API that I can clone
L372[13:27:15] <Gavle> If you're going to just connect 2 computers sitting next to each other, there's 0 reason to use any protocol at all
L373[13:27:25] <Skye> not just next to eachother
L374[13:27:32] <Skye> relays are powerful
L375[13:27:34] <Skye> linked cards
L376[13:27:35] <Skye> etc
L377[13:27:47] <Gavle> Ok, but I mean 2 computers directly reachable to each other
L378[13:27:56] <Gavle> just modem.send and event.listen some stuff
L379[13:28:05] <Gavle> There's no need for a network protocol for that
L380[13:28:39] <Skye> GERTi is mostly pointless
L381[13:28:53] <Skye> and would be completely pointless if Sangar had sniffing cards
L382[13:29:11] * Ashindigo_ sniffs
L383[13:29:20] <Skye> also
L384[13:29:46] <Skye> why did @MGR reserve 10 ports for a chat program and GERTi uses like 200?
L385[13:30:26] <MGR> those 10 ports are for my ancient chat program
L386[13:30:47] <MGR> and GERTi has 200 allocated because I wasn't sure what path we were going to take on how to handle connections
L387[13:31:19] <Gavle> Skye, if you're going to do more than just have 2 computers connected either through a relay or linked card, then GERTi is extremely useful
L388[13:37:46] <Skye> Gavle, how?
L389[13:37:50] <Skye> like seriously how?
L390[13:38:18] <Gavle> It already does all the routing for you, and you just call read and write methods
L391[13:38:21] <Gavle> like with a file
L392[13:43:33] <Skye> Gavle, it feels like you haven't played OC
L393[13:43:43] <Skye> OC does do routing (well... switching) for you
L394[13:50:04] <Gavle> What?
L395[13:50:10] <Gavle> It doesn't do routing THROUGH computers and stuff
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L397[13:53:00] <Leothehero2110> back...
L398[13:53:13] <Leothehero2110> sorry for the long downtime
L399[13:54:15] <Leothehero2110> I forgot to monitor my fuel, so my reactor shut down, and then i had to kickstart it with a different fuel and so on and so forth, then i got hungry and had dinner...
L400[13:56:25] <Gavle> It's ok
L401[13:56:30] <Gavle> GERTi still isn't done
L402[13:57:11] <Leothehero2110> ok, so where do i put the names file again?
L403[13:59:12] <Leothehero2110> hello?
L404[14:00:16] <Forecaster> @MGR
L405[14:01:44] <Leothehero2110> also, I noticed sometimes my computer beeps when i receive a message, but sometimes it doesn't, can you tell me why that is?
L406[14:02:01] <Forecaster> I dunno
L407[14:02:08] <Forecaster> never used irc in minecraft
L408[14:02:11] <MGR> Leothehero2110, /usr/programs
L409[14:02:15] <MGR> names.txt
L410[14:02:31] <Leothehero2110> oh ok
L411[14:02:47] <Leothehero2110> didn't realise irc could be used outside of minecraft...
L412[14:03:25] <Leothehero2110> my usr directory doesn't contain programs
L413[14:04:34] <Forecaster> irc wasn't made for minecraft you know
L414[14:04:39] <Forecaster> it's been around way longer :P
L415[14:05:12] <Leothehero2110> I'm very knew to this...
L416[14:05:26] <Forecaster> new*
L417[14:05:32] <Leothehero2110> ...
L418[14:05:47] <Leothehero2110> sometimes even my own stupidity amazes me
L419[14:06:02] <Leothehero2110> but anyway, my usr folder does not contain programs...
L420[14:06:12] <Forecaster> make it
L421[14:06:43] <Leothehero2110> oh ok
L422[14:07:04] <Leothehero2110> how do I do that?
L423[14:07:16] <Forecaster> mkdir
L424[14:07:46] <Leothehero2110> ok
L425[14:07:50] <Skye> Gavle, you don't need to route through computers
L426[14:08:16] <Leothehero2110> done
L427[14:11:36] <Gavle> Skye, no you don't need to, but it's useful
L428[14:11:53] <Skye> it just wastes resources and makes it complex for the end user
L429[14:12:38] <Gavle> It only moderately increases resources, and it makes it 0 percent more complex for the end user
L430[14:12:44] <Leothehero2110> TACEAT Series 2 INSTALLED
L431[14:13:20] <Leothehero2110> um, how do i run TACEAT
L432[14:14:09] <Gavle> Leothehero, you run the installer, but it won't work unless you have OpenSecurity
L433[14:14:23] <Skye> Gavle, it increases resources by having two largeish source files
L434[14:14:43] <Leothehero2110> I have opensecurity on my world
L435[14:14:53] <Gavle> @MGR
L436[14:15:03] <Gavle> Skye, that Gateway file is only for the central gateway computer
L437[14:15:27] <MGR> Leothehero, you need an attached OpenSecurity entity detector and an OS turret on top
L438[14:15:51] <Leothehero2110> on top of what
L439[14:15:57] <Leothehero2110> oh ok
L440[14:16:00] <Leothehero2110> i understand
L441[14:16:27] <Leothehero2110> then what
L442[14:16:41] <Skye> Gavle, okay, then one largeish lua file. :P
L443[14:17:51] <Leothehero2110> what do i do know
L444[14:17:54] <Leothehero2110> *now
L445[14:19:15] <Leothehero2110> hello?
L446[14:23:06] <Izaya> Skye: MGR and co. have this tendency to talk huge about 20 lines of code.
L447[14:23:10] <Izaya> It's rather amusing.
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L449[14:23:44] <MGR> Leothehero2110, you run the TACEATS main
L450[14:24:00] <Leothehero2110> ok
L451[14:24:03] <MGR> TACEATS installer, sorry
L452[14:24:35] <Leothehero2110> already run the installer
L453[14:24:37] <Izaya> So uh
L454[14:24:46] <Leothehero2110> do I have to rerun the installer?
L455[14:24:48] <Izaya> if he's trying to network why are you setting up a turret controller?
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L457[14:25:18] <MGR> Leothehero, you should be all set
L458[14:25:48] <Gavle> Skye, GERTi makes it easier to network though
L459[14:25:53] <Gavle> It's not meant for just 2 computers
L460[14:25:56] <Gavle> it's meant for 3 or more
L461[14:26:10] <MGR> Izaya, I'm helping Leo with TACEATS
L462[14:26:19] <Leothehero2110> My hope is that I'll be able to have a central computer, and using broadcasting, be able to make it so that I have several different computers that are all connected to the same security network and they all respond when an alert is triggered
L463[14:27:43] <Gavle> GERTi will let you do that when it's done
L464[14:30:03] <Skye> Gavle, stop ignoring the obvious fact that you can network with many many computers with the built in network system
L465[14:30:07] <Leothehero2110> well, TACEAT needs some coding added as well
L466[14:30:14] <Gavle> Skye, of course you can
L467[14:30:30] <Gavle> but GERTi makes it easier
L468[14:30:41] <Gavle> Leothehero2110, yes, it will be added after we can finish GERTi
L469[14:30:47] <Leothehero2110> :)
L470[14:30:53] <Skye> no, as OC's networking is basically zero config
L471[14:31:37] <Gavle> Skye, but you have to program the routing and stuff
L472[14:31:41] <Skye> no you don't
L473[14:31:57] <Skye> for networks that don't do fancy stuff like cross servers, no need for routing
L474[14:32:00] <Skye> relays do all the hard work
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L476[14:36:29] <Leothehero2110> Skye, I think(do correct me if I am wrong) GERTi is a program aimed to make it so people like me who have no clue about networking can use networking without having to research and set up complicated programs
L477[14:36:31] <Gavle> Skye, yeah, but that only works for 1 contiguous network
L478[14:36:39] <Gavle> also what Leothehero2110 said
L479[14:37:12] <Leothehero2110> I've been on the mod for a few days now and i'm still a bit overwhelmed by it's potential
L480[14:37:21] <Leothehero2110> so I haven't been able to look and the code in detail
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L482[14:38:07] <Leothehero2110> GERTi will make it so I don't have to look at the code, but enter a more userfriendly command, something easier to understand itself
L483[14:39:02] * Izaya will believe these commands when he sees them
L484[14:40:03] <Gavle> Leothehero2110, yes it will
L485[14:40:09] <Leothehero2110> anyway, I have some paladins to play right now, so, seeya tomorrow. after about 4 gmt+1
L486[14:40:14] <Gavle> Izaya, the commands are on their way
L487[14:40:14] <Leothehero2110> :)
L488[14:40:18] <Gavle> Leothehero2110, see ya tomorrow!
L489[14:40:22] <Leothehero2110> :)
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L491[14:40:56] <Izaya> so... no advantage over plain networking in this usecase. okay.
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L496[14:51:48] <Gavle> Izaya, what is the exact use case?
L497[14:52:16] <Izaya> from what I heard
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L499[14:52:52] <Izaya> sending alerts to turret control computers on a simple contiguous network
L500[14:53:13] <Gavle> Izaya, GERTi would help with that
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L502[14:53:24] <Izaya> How.
L503[14:53:52] <Izaya> How would it help, exactly, when you can directly communicate using modems with any other machine on the network.
L504[14:54:11] <Skye> Gavle, if you make a good API and UI, I will implement it for standard networks
L505[14:54:23] <Skye> it will be faster and more efficient.
L506[14:54:37] <Skye> and you'll be free to take the code for your own use if you wish
L507[14:54:59] <Izaya> Enlighten me, oh bright and wonderful village idiot's sidekick
L508[14:55:37] <Skye> while Izaya is being condescending, it's worth noting that you're waffling when we're coders and want to see results
L509[14:57:37] <Gavle> in game, sorry
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L511[14:58:49] <Skye> Gavle, well... can you please tell us when you're not in game? honestly, I'll be okay with sample commands and code
L512[15:00:47] <gamax92> For some reason cydia impactor won't run in ubuntu, but I knew it ran in arch
L513[15:00:56] <gamax92> ... so I'm using an arch vm to run cydia impactor :v
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L517[15:32:48] <Gavle> Izaya, yes, you can communicate directly with any other machine that is directly adjacent to the origin, but GERTi let's you go beyond that
L518[15:33:08] <Gavle> It also makes network arbitration easier by replacing long UUID's with a 1-3 digit identifier
L519[15:33:25] <Gavle> Skye, GERTi is already implemented on standard networks
L520[15:33:43] <Gavle> I'll push everything I've done so far to github to look at, but it isn't done
L521[15:34:15] <Skye> Gavle, network switches work for large networks. Lizzy had one working on her creative server some time ago.
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L524[15:34:45] <Skye> also, 3 digit identifers are kinda bad for large networks that you want
L525[15:35:32] <Gavle> yes they do work for large networks
L526[15:35:39] <Skye> also, my implementation of API can be faster if I ignore the waste of time that is routing for local networks.
L527[15:35:43] <Gavle> but it doesn't work with wireless, or separate networks
L528[15:35:56] <Skye> there is a reason why we use a tree network
L529[15:36:02] <Gavle> I don't waste time on routing for local networks
L530[15:36:05] <Skye> you can bridge wireless and wired
L531[15:36:14] <Skye> Gavle, well... waste code that isn't used. :P
L532[15:36:37] <Gavle> But the code is used
L533[15:36:47] <Gavle> and now food time
L534[15:37:18] <Gavle> also the GitHub commit has been pushed
L535[15:37:44] <Skye> Gavle, if you say routing doesn't waste time you imply it isn't used for local networks which implies for local networks there is unused code
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L537[15:42:05] <20kdc> Skye: All code is unused under some circumstance.
L538[15:42:54] <Skye> sorry, I've been playing too much SHENZHEN I/O
L539[15:46:38] <20kdc> Skye: *using the Pythagorean theorem...* (waits for Skye to shiver from the horror)
L540[15:47:39] <Skye> sadly I never finished it
L541[15:49:49] <Skye> but seriously though if I make a competitior to GERT, what would youthink of it?
L542[15:50:02] <20kdc> That would depend on it's implementation.
L543[15:50:22] <Gavle> but why would you?
L544[15:51:32] <Gavle> Also, while GERTi doesn't provide a strict improvement for directly connected computers, it does allow you to not worry about whether computers are directly or indirectly connected
L545[15:51:35] <Skye> Gavle, why do you want to be the one and only system for networking
L546[15:51:37] <Gavle> It just handles it all
L547[15:51:47] <Gavle> It's not that I want to be the one and only
L548[15:52:06] <Gavle> It's just that I think that if people have improvements, they should bring them to me, and I can integrate them
L549[15:52:21] <Gavle> me or @MGR
L550[15:52:41] <Skye> what if the different version runs a completely different archetecture
L551[15:53:15] <Gavle> Again, why spend more time making something completely different when you can improve the existing architecture?
L552[15:53:22] <Gavle> also, %xkcd standards
L553[15:53:29] <Gavle> %xkcd standards
L554[15:53:30] <MichiBot> Gavle: https://xkcd.com/927/ - *xkcd: Standards*: "Permanent link to this comic: https://xkcd.com/927/ Image URL (for hotlinking/ embedding): https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png. HOW STANDARDS ..."
L555[15:53:51] <Skye> Gavle, what if I think your standard is overdone
L556[15:54:04] <Gavle> A. Please wait until I get to RC1
L557[15:54:17] <Gavle> B. When I get to RC1, please provide concrete examples where it could be made better
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L575[17:22:19] <Gavle> @MGR the socket front-end looks pretty near completion, the majority of what's left to the next beta is enhancing the back end to handle the connections
L576[17:22:29] <MGR> Yay
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L589[18:40:46] <Xilandro> Can a drone leash a villager
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L594[21:14:37] <TYKUHN2> I've done it
L595[21:14:40] <TYKUHN2> I've killed minecraft
L596[21:16:54] <TYKUHN2> It's crashing before splash
L597[21:18:01] <TYKUHN2> Earlier it failed to download
L598[21:19:40] <Temia> It's not dead, it's pining for the fjords!
L599[21:28:54] <TYKUHN2> I have a stupid thing to do
L600[21:29:03] <TYKUHN2> So let's screenshot my kernel.c file
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L604[22:05:43] <Xilandro> ayyyy who knows how to add stuff to veinminer
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L612[22:27:11] <TYKUHN2> Hey
L613[22:28:01] <TYKUHN2> Where would Linux hold pictures?
L614[22:28:04] <TYKUHN2> Bin?
L615[22:28:05] <TYKUHN2> Etc?
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L618[23:19:14] <Izaya> TYKUHN2: ~/Pictures
L619[23:19:28] <Izaya> or depending on the use, somewhere in /usr/share
L620[23:20:18] <Mimiru> @TYKUHN2 ^
L621[23:23:26] <Izaya> also since when would Android be happy with ext4 external media?
L622[23:23:38] <Izaya> will it cope with f2fs as well?
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