L1[00:00:38] <vifino> oh.
L2[00:00:45] <vifino> because 0x00000000 is
not the actual root window.
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L4[00:02:25] <vifino> still doesn't explain
why it segfaults, but whatever.
L5[00:04:17] <vifino> there we go.
L6[00:05:32] <vifino> NULL in luajit ffi is
nil, but `not result` is not finding the NULL, but `result == nil`
does. k.
L7[00:06:10] <vifino> just xcb things.
L8[00:06:16] <vifino> er, luajit ffi.
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L10[00:07:19] <SF-MC> o/
L11[00:07:29] <vifino> \o
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L14[00:49:32] <payonel> i have an xpcall
that is returning (false, "not enough memory"), but is
NOT calling my exception handler
L15[00:49:35] <payonel> in-game
L16[00:49:38] <SF-MC> :(
L17[00:49:56] <payonel> it is perplexing
me
L18[00:50:51] <payonel> i suddenly have an
idea
L19[00:52:18] <payonel> nope
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L22[00:53:30] <payonel> weird,
whatever
L23[00:53:39] <payonel> this, honestly, is
probably a bug in oc
L24[00:53:57] <payonel> i'm losing the
exception /welp
L25[00:54:34] <payonel> this just means it
is possible that commands will fail to execute due to failure to
load due to low mem, and i wont always be able to print the
error
L26[00:56:00] <vifino> Replace error
instead? ;)
L27[00:56:19] <vifino> ( plsno )
L28[00:59:42] <payonel> but - i am logging
it to /tmp/event.log
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L30[01:05:51] <Kodos> gamax92, can I use
the soundcard to play a chiptune while simultaneously doing
something else?
L31[01:06:19] <gamax92> yes
L32[01:06:23] <Kodos> \o/
L33[01:06:26] <Kodos> Game music =D
L34[01:08:52] <payonel> gamax92: xpcall ^
:( thoughts?
L35[01:09:42] <gamax92> going to bed
L36[01:09:50] <payonel> goodnight
L37[01:11:40] <vifino> Night,
gamax92.
L38[01:15:47] <Kodos> Dafuq
L39[01:16:07] <payonel> ?
L40[01:16:08] <Kodos> No enum constant
net.minecraftforge.common.util.ForgeDirection
L41[01:16:16] <Kodos> What should I be
using for a direction then
L42[01:16:34] <Kodos> It's not taking
anything I'm familiar with
L43[01:17:50] <payonel> all 1855 tests
pass
L44[01:17:53] <payonel> \o/
L45[01:19:41] <Vexatos> wee?
L46[01:24:00] <SF-MC> uh
L47[01:24:10] <SF-MC> it looks like my
wireless modem is double-sending
L48[01:24:13] <SF-MC> wtf did I do?
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L50[01:28:20] <SF-MC> meh
L51[01:28:27] <SF-MC> going off for
tonight
L52[01:28:28] <SF-MC> o/
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L54[01:52:34] 
<Lizzy>
@scj643 what the fuck did you break?
<Lizzy>
@scj643 what the fuck did you break?L55[01:53:05] <scj643>
@Lizzy shit seemed to fix itself
<scj643>
@Lizzy shit seemed to fix itselfL56[01:53:22] <scj643>
Wasn't able to ssh or use irc for like an hour
<scj643>
Wasn't able to ssh or use irc for like an hourL57[01:54:01] <Lizzy>
K
<Lizzy>
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L59[02:04:04] <Saphire> Heh
L60[02:04:07] <Izaya> wat
L61[02:04:09] *
Saphire chuckles
L62[02:04:16] <Izaya> why is Fallout 4
getting a high-res texture pack
L63[02:04:27] <Izaya> most of the textures
are already unneccesarily large
L64[02:04:29] <Saphire> Izaya: how can you
get it even more HD? O>o
L65[02:04:49] <Saphire> So, apparently
trying to code while using a graphical tablet as mouse is... not
optimaal
L66[02:06:36] <Izaya> Fun stuff
happens?
L67[02:07:10] <Kodos> ~w
sign
<Kodos> ~w
signL68[02:07:10] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:sign
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L70[02:16:37] <Kodos>
Uhhh
<Kodos>
UhhhL71[02:16:38] <Kodos>
wat
<Kodos>
watL72[02:16:57] <Kodos> It
may be the fact that it's a creative one, but the microcontroller
I'm looking at has a different address on each side
<Kodos> It
may be the fact that it's a creative one, but the microcontroller
I'm looking at has a different address on each sideL73[02:18:28] <Lizzy>
that's for component access from a normal PC
<Lizzy>
that's for component access from a normal PCL74[02:18:55] <Kodos>
Ohh
<Kodos>
OhhL75[02:19:06] <Kodos> I
didn't know you could access a MCU from a computer
<Kodos> I
didn't know you could access a MCU from a computerL76[02:19:13] <Kodos> Now
to figure out why this stupid eeprom is crashing
<Kodos> Now
to figure out why this stupid eeprom is crashingL77[02:19:22] <Kodos> Oh,
derp
<Kodos> Oh,
derpL78[02:20:57] <Kodos>
Nope, nvm
<Kodos>
Nope, nvmL79[02:23:49] <Kodos> Oh
ffs, I'm a moron
<Kodos> Oh
ffs, I'm a moronL80[02:24:15] <ZeekDaGeek>
How exactly would you restart a program within itself?
<ZeekDaGeek>
How exactly would you restart a program within itself?L81[02:24:46] <ZeekDaGeek>
My brain can't seem to think of how to do it without just running
the program from inside itself and then as a result bloating after
each "restart"
<ZeekDaGeek>
My brain can't seem to think of how to do it without just running
the program from inside itself and then as a result bloating after
each "restart"L82[02:25:00] ⇨
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L83[02:25:04] <Kodos> A
quick goto back to the top would work, I think
<Kodos> A
quick goto back to the top would work, I thinkL84[02:25:21] <Kodos>
Couldn't hurt to try, anyway
<Kodos>
Couldn't hurt to try, anywayL85[02:25:43] <ZeekDaGeek>
The reason to reboot would be to reload the program's new
code.
<ZeekDaGeek>
The reason to reboot would be to reload the program's new
code.L86[02:26:07] <Kodos> I'd
have to see what you're working with code-wise to get an idea of
the scope you need to 'restart' on
<Kodos> I'd
have to see what you're working with code-wise to get an idea of
the scope you need to 'restart' onL87[02:28:29] <ZeekDaGeek>
Working from instead of an while loop that reads inventory for
changes. Any time someone says inv reboot it needs to get out of
the loop and relaunch itself.
<ZeekDaGeek>
Working from instead of an while loop that reads inventory for
changes. Any time someone says inv reboot it needs to get out of
the loop and relaunch itself.L88[02:29:04] <ZeekDaGeek>
return false works well for just shutting down, but you can't
return false and then expect to start up a new program again.
<ZeekDaGeek>
return false works well for just shutting down, but you can't
return false and then expect to start up a new program again.L89[02:29:14] <Kodos> You
can also break out of loops, iirc
<Kodos> You
can also break out of loops, iircL90[02:29:20] <ZeekDaGeek>
Best idea so far would just be restarting the OS and having the
program running at startup.
<ZeekDaGeek>
Best idea so far would just be restarting the OS and having the
program running at startup.L91[02:29:29] <Kodos>
Could do it on a server blade
<Kodos>
Could do it on a server bladeL92[02:30:59] <Kodos> ~w
debug card
<Kodos> ~w
debug cardL93[02:30:59] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/item:debug_card
L94[02:32:37] <Kodos>
Bleh
<Kodos>
BlehL95[02:32:44] <Kodos> This
was so much easier in SL
<Kodos> This
was so much easier in SLL96[03:00:57] ⇨
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L97[03:01:27] <Inari> http://www.dennyweb.com/singing_horses.htm Ponies
before ponies were cool
L98[03:10:30] <Forecaster> those are
horses
L99[03:25:53] <Kodos> Singing horses
L100[03:26:50] <Inari> Horses and ponies
are the sam ething
L101[03:27:14] <Inari> Well more
specificlaly
L102[03:27:17] <Inari> ponies are horses
:P
L103[03:28:34] <Forecaster> but horses are
not necessarily ponies
L104[03:28:48] <Forecaster> a pony is a
specific type of horse
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L108[04:37:37] <Izaya> @ZeekDaGeek, run an
external script in a loop that runs the file
L109[04:38:08] <Izaya> you only have the
overhead of the small script when it restarts and you won't end up
with a massive stack that eventually overflows
L110[05:09:01] <Vexatos> Hmm
L111[05:09:31] <Vexatos> payonel, this is
another good use for delayed shell execution ^
L112[05:10:07] <Vexatos> Like, something
less ugly than event.timer
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L117[06:12:24] <Forecaster> https://youtu.be/suppd70z7-Q?t=296
L118[06:12:24] <MichiBot> Anime
Abandon: Maze | length: 35m 15s | Likes: 87 Dislikes: 0
Views: 765 | by BennettTheSage | Published On
2/2/2017
L119[06:12:34] <Forecaster> Maze in your
face
L120[06:27:26] <ZeekDaGeek>
Good idea lzaya, thanks.
<ZeekDaGeek>
Good idea lzaya, thanks.L121[06:43:49] <S3> Izaya: I abuse Lua
TCO
L122[06:43:53] <S3> stack never a problem
:D
L123[06:44:08] <S3> well.. there's also
the lua stack.. I can't control that
L124[07:14:55] <Mimiru> yay, finally
managed to get my IP to change from ending in .255
L125[07:15:16] <Forecaster> woo
L126[07:15:47] <Mimiru> now to see if it
fixed the game that was broken
L127[07:16:03] <Mimiru> woot
L128[07:46:42] <20kdc>
Mimiru: is .255 even valid?
<20kdc>
Mimiru: is .255 even valid?L129[07:46:50] <20kdc>
pretty sure that's broadcast or something
<20kdc>
pretty sure that's broadcast or somethingL130[07:51:52] <Mimiru> it's valid when
the ISP has multiple class C blocks
L131[07:52:24] <Stary> 'class c'
L132[07:52:31] <Stary> cidr
L133[07:52:34] <Stary> its 2017
L134[07:52:54] <Mimiru> yay! Stary knows
what year it is!
L135[07:52:55] <Mimiru> :P
L136[07:54:39] <Stary> lol
L137[07:54:46] <Izaya> only by 33 days or
so
L138[08:00:32] <Mimiru> But
yes annoyingly 255 is valid, though it can cause issues... like one
of the games Naomi and I play wouldn't let us login unless we
vpn'd
<Mimiru> But
yes annoyingly 255 is valid, though it can cause issues... like one
of the games Naomi and I play wouldn't let us login unless we
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L163[09:15:27] <Saphire> ..hm
L164[09:15:42] <Saphire> Why node.js
didn't used firefox JS engine?
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L166[09:16:17] <payonel> o/
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L169[09:35:58] <MGR> hello
payonel
<MGR> hello
payonelL170[09:36:00] <MGR> how
are you?
<MGR> how
are you?L171[09:36:34] <payonel> got the 1.6.1 PR
down
L172[09:36:41] <payonel> so, doing
well
L173[09:36:55] <MGR>
payonel, what's new in 1.6.1?
<MGR>
payonel, what's new in 1.6.1?L174[09:37:08] <payonel> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/2251
L175[09:37:12] <payonel> lots of memory
savings
L176[09:37:39] <payonel> many much
fixes/improvements to /lib/filesystem, grep, cp, mv, ln
L177[09:37:44] <payonel> and other
things
L178[09:38:00] <MGR> I
saw
<MGR> I
sawL179[09:38:02] <MGR> looks
good
<MGR> looks
goodL180[09:38:07] <Michiyo> Thank you for
calling radioshack this is Katie" "Yeah I'm just calling
to make sure ya'll are still open... this is radioshack
right?"
L181[09:38:08] <Michiyo> ._.
L182[09:38:17] <Michiyo> No mother
fucker... it's Joe's Whore House... you caught me.
L183[09:38:18] <MGR>
Mimiru, I think you were pretty vague
<MGR>
Mimiru, I think you were pretty vagueL184[09:38:46] <payonel> Michiyo:
so....that's the secret message to get the real shop's
identity?
L185[09:38:52] <Michiyo> Yep.
L186[09:38:58] <MGR> good
to know
<MGR> good
to knowL187[09:39:03] <Forecaster> yeah, it could
have been someone named radioshack speaking from Katie's
L188[09:39:07] <Michiyo> :P
L189[09:39:12] <MGR> that
is true
<MGR> that
is trueL190[09:39:35] <MGR>
Mimiru, next time you should answer with: "Thank you for
calling the store named Radioshack, this is the woman named
Katie"
<MGR>
Mimiru, next time you should answer with: "Thank you for
calling the store named Radioshack, this is the woman named
Katie"L191[09:39:38] <Michiyo> Yeah...
Radioshack IS a common first name 'round here.
L192[09:40:16] <Forecaster> "You're a
katie named Woman you say?"
L193[09:40:29] <MGR>
Forecaster, no
<MGR>
Forecaster, noL194[09:40:37] <MGR> my
statement didn't leave that ambiguity open'
<MGR> my
statement didn't leave that ambiguity open'L195[09:41:04] <Forecaster> you've not
heard of the telephone game have you :P
L196[09:41:17] <MGR> I
have...
<MGR> I
have...L197[09:41:28] <MGR> But
there are no repeaters
<MGR> But
there are no repeatersL198[09:41:36] <MGR> Unless
this is one weird phone call
<MGR> Unless
this is one weird phone callL199[09:41:45] <Forecaster> then you
should now that people can hear whatever
L200[09:41:52] <MGR> and
Mimiru's phone is really just a tin can on a string
<MGR> and
Mimiru's phone is really just a tin can on a stringL201[09:41:52] <Forecaster> it doesn't
have to make sense
L202[09:42:03] <MGR>
@Mimiru is your phone a tin can on a string?
<MGR>
@Mimiru is your phone a tin can on a string?L203[09:43:19] <20kdc>
Radioshack "this is" Katie.
<20kdc>
Radioshack "this is" Katie.L204[09:48:27] ⇦
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L209[10:05:47] <LuMistry> Greetings
L210[10:14:42] <payonel> LuMistry: hello
:)
L211[10:14:52] <LuMistry> Hell
payonel
L212[10:14:56] <LuMistry> hmm
L213[10:15:02] <LuMistry> That doesn't
look right
L214[10:15:13] <LuMistry> Hello payonel,
how are you?
L215[10:15:39] <payonel> hell, i'm doing
well
L216[10:16:08] <LuMistry> payonel: that's
better than the alternative :)
L217[10:16:15] <LuMistry> Anything new
with you?
L218[10:17:41] <payonel> finished my
latest big update for openos. just letting it sit in PR for a bit,
sometimes my thoughts review the changes and i think of potential
bugs i should test before i merge
L219[10:18:02] <LuMistry> what's new in
the update?
L220[10:19:50] <payonel> i think the
biggest benefits to the common user will be more memory savings,
more robust filesystem behavior with mounts and links, significant
improvements to cp and mv argument validation
L221[10:20:02] <LuMistry> Sounds
nice
L222[10:20:20] <LuMistry> No GERTi?
L223[10:20:25] *
LuMistry chuckles
L224[10:20:36] <payonel> haha, no, not
yet*
L225[10:21:31] <LuMistry> I see
L226[10:21:34] <payonel> there is also a
big update to /dev. the code was first of all greatly
simplified
L227[10:21:43] <payonel> and then a crap
ton of feature added on top of that simplification
L228[10:21:49] <LuMistry> code
simplification is always good
L229[10:22:16] <payonel> i'm excited to
get feedback on /dev -- hopefully ppl find it interesting
L230[10:22:30] <payonel> there is a new
/dev/components structure
L231[10:22:33] <MGR> Is
that devfs?
<MGR> Is
that devfs?L232[10:22:38] <LuMistry> I may look into
that
L233[10:22:44] <payonel> mgr: yes
L234[10:22:51] <MGR> Did
you get rid of the files?
<MGR> Did
you get rid of the files?L235[10:23:05] <payonel> get rid of which
files?
L236[10:23:13] <payonel> in /dev ?
L237[10:23:16] <MGR> the
devfs files
<MGR> the
devfs filesL238[10:23:22] <MGR> and
just have the functions
<MGR> and
just have the functionsL239[10:23:50] <payonel> i've explained
this. /dev doesn't ADD anything functions, it calls existing
functions and presents them as files
L240[10:24:07] <MGR>
payonel, I'm aware of that
<MGR>
payonel, I'm aware of thatL241[10:24:21] <payonel>
s/anything/any/
L242[10:24:21] <MichiBot> <payonel>
i've explained this. /dev doesn't ADD any functions, it calls
existing functions and presents them as files
L243[10:24:46] <payonel> so "just
have the functions" <- that is exactly what with have sans
devfs
L244[10:24:53] <MGR>
yeah
<MGR>
yeahL245[10:24:58] <payonel> devfs' sole
purpose is to add files
L246[10:25:11] <MGR> I was
just wondering if you removed devfs \o/
<MGR> I was
just wondering if you removed devfs \o/L247[10:25:22] <payonel> what value would
that add to remove it?
L248[10:25:43] <MGR> It
would make me happy? (not worth removing for that sole
reason)
<MGR> It
would make me happy? (not worth removing for that sole
reason)L249[10:26:00] <MGR> It
would also end the deception
<MGR> It
would also end the deceptionL250[10:26:15] <payonel> why would it make
you happy? and what deception?
L251[10:26:29] <MGR> It
would make me happy because I don't like the devfs files
<MGR> It
would make me happy because I don't like the devfs filesL252[10:26:38] <MGR> And
the deception is that those aren't real files
<MGR> And
the deception is that those aren't real filesL253[10:27:09] <MGR> If you
want to keep talking, you can PM MajGenRelativity on IRC, I don't
want to re-hash this for the umpteenth time on #oc ?
<MGR> If you
want to keep talking, you can PM MajGenRelativity on IRC, I don't
want to re-hash this for the umpteenth time on #oc ?L254[10:27:18] <MGR> People
tend to not like that
<MGR> People
tend to not like thatL255[10:30:54] <payonel> mgr: when you
boot your computer (in opencomputers, and let's assume you're
running openos) do you have care to see what files are available in
your current directory?
L256[10:31:08] <Corded> * MGR
headdesk
L257[10:31:21] <MGR>
What?
<MGR>
What?L258[10:31:27] <MGR> Do I
type ls on startup?
<MGR> Do I
type ls on startup?L259[10:31:31] <payonel> yeah
L260[10:31:41] <MGR> Not
usually
<MGR> Not
usuallyL261[10:31:45] <payonel> but ever?
L262[10:31:54] <S3> I always do
L263[10:32:03] <S3> it's a habbit for me
to type ls even when I know whatsin it
L264[10:32:09] <MGR>
Usually only when I make a fresh OpenOS install
<MGR>
Usually only when I make a fresh OpenOS installL265[10:32:10] <payonel> S3: hehe, yeah me
too
L266[10:32:17] <S3> super ocd
L267[10:32:27] <MGR>
Normally I navigate directly to the directory I'm going to and then
type ls
<MGR>
Normally I navigate directly to the directory I'm going to and then
type lsL268[10:32:45] <S3> payonel: how do you
feel about a hypervisor coming to OC?
L269[10:32:54] <payonel> mgr: but why not
open a lua shell and run `f=fs.list(shell.getWorkingDirectory())
for e in f do print(e) end` ?
L270[10:33:25] <MGR> why
would I do that
<MGR> why
would I do thatL271[10:33:26] <payonel> -- this isn't the
best example, but work with me for a sec
L272[10:33:47] <S3> why do that when you
could go for e in fs.list(shell.getWorkingDirectory()) do print(e)
end
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L274[10:33:55] <S3> OR
L275[10:34:19] <payonel> S3: because i
changed the code while i was writing it and didn't bother that much
:)
L276[10:34:21] <S3> why do that when you
can do each(fs.list(shell.getWorkingDirectory()), function()
print(e) end end
L277[10:34:31] <S3> lol
L278[10:34:53] <MGR> Is
this an investigation on lua console syntax? Because I don't get
the point
<MGR> Is
this an investigation on lua console syntax? Because I don't get
the pointL279[10:35:04] <S3> anyhow payonel I
realized my exokernel for OC is no different than a damn VM
hypervisor.
L280[10:35:04] <payonel> i dont have a
point yet
L281[10:35:16] <MGR> FYI, I
DO use the lua console semi-frequently
<MGR> FYI, I
DO use the lua console semi-frequentlyL282[10:35:19] <payonel> S3: ha
L283[10:35:27] <S3> should should allow
you to run OpenOS, Plan9K, CC, etc programs flawlessly..
L284[10:35:33] <S3> yeah well it was an
accident during the design
L285[10:35:55] <S3> but I think itl be
fun
L286[10:36:20] <S3> OMNG
L287[10:36:22] <S3> HOLY SHIT
L288[10:36:48] <S3> so this means you can
put up a couple racks of 4 servers in each in OC
L289[10:36:54] <S3> and make them act as
"one" computer
L290[10:37:11] <S3> because the exokernel
doesn't care of procrsses are necessarily on the same
machine..
L291[10:37:23] <S3> since it's all
reactive stream IPC
L292[10:37:40] <MGR> that
could be useful for OC-based HPC XD
<MGR> that
could be useful for OC-based HPC XDL293[10:37:51] <S3> hpc?
L294[10:37:57] <MGR> High
Performance Computing
<MGR> High
Performance ComputingL295[10:38:05] <S3> it won't boost
performance
L296[10:38:14] <S3> but it will boost
component quantity access
L297[10:38:16] <S3> and hard disk
space
L298[10:38:19] <MGR> Why
not?
<MGR> Why
not?L299[10:38:26] <S3> yu can have all the
hard drives in every server appear as one volume
L300[10:38:26] <MGR> it
wouldn't distribute commands across CPUs?
<MGR> it
wouldn't distribute commands across CPUs?L301[10:38:39] <S3> OC doesn't multithread
afaik?
L302[10:38:46] <S3> I thought it was all
part of a single threat
L303[10:38:49] <S3> thread*
L304[10:38:52] <S3> payonel: ^^^
L305[10:38:57] <Magik6k> It has thread
pool
L306[10:39:03] <S3> ooh
L307[10:39:05] <MGR> yes,
but i believe that the CPU call budget is lower than a server's
real CPU time
<MGR> yes,
but i believe that the CPU call budget is lower than a server's
real CPU timeL308[10:39:12] <payonel> it doesn't have
preemptive threads
L309[10:39:19] <payonel> cooperative-only
threads
L310[10:39:25] <S3> I think that Magik6k's
MRFS would be perfect for this project
L311[10:39:26] <payonel> coroutines
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L313[10:39:30]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L314[10:39:38] <S3> MGR ^
L315[10:39:39] <MGR> if you
could unite multiple CPU call budgets, you could get higher
performance
<MGR> if you
could unite multiple CPU call budgets, you could get higher
performanceL316[10:39:43] <S3> so yeah no performance
boost
L317[10:39:46] <Magik6k> S3, if someone
actually got around to implement it, heh
L318[10:39:49] <S3> but huge resource
boost
L319[10:39:57] <MGR>
\o/
<MGR>
\o/L320[10:40:05] <S3> Magik6k: hey I have
this thing called university classes!
L321[10:40:06] <S3> llol
L322[10:40:08] <MGR>
anyways, payonel, what was your point with the Lua shell and ls
thing?
<MGR>
anyways, payonel, what was your point with the Lua shell and ls
thing?L323[10:40:15] <payonel> mgr i have a
better example
L324[10:40:37] <payonel> let's pretend you
are writing a program that uses the modem
L325[10:40:40] <S3> MGR I am creating an
object file like thing for Lua btw
L326[10:40:51] <S3> it packages multiple
luia files and creates a header
L327[10:40:53] <MGR> S3,
hold on that for a minute please
<MGR> S3,
hold on that for a minute pleaseL328[10:40:58] <S3> ok
L329[10:40:58] <MGR> One
thing at a time ?
<MGR> One
thing at a time ?L330[10:41:06] <payonel> and you're
testing it in your network of oc computers
L331[10:41:17] <MGR> are
you describing GERTi development XD
<MGR> are
you describing GERTi development XDL332[10:41:26] <payonel> anyways, one of
the machines keeps booting up! and you didn't want it to
L333[10:41:31] <S3> payonel: I frightened
Forecaster I think the other day
L334[10:41:31] <Magik6k> Vexatos, about
network package, it is very sucky, I want to replace it with the IP
stack, it just needs to be ported to OpenOS now
L335[10:41:49] <S3> because I'm binding
lua 5.3 to my C kernel so I can run plan9k on my x86 desktop in my
office at my house.
L336[10:41:57] <S3> I dunno how Magik6k
feels about that lol
L337[10:41:58] <MGR>
payonel, why would a computer randomly turn on?
<MGR>
payonel, why would a computer randomly turn on?L338[10:41:59] <Magik6k> Oh, and I have to
write TCP part too, heh
L339[10:42:00] <payonel> mgr: it's odd,
but you think 'oh, wait, maybe that machine has a wake
message'
L340[10:42:11] <payonel> mgr: how would
you check/confirm that?
L341[10:42:24] <MGR>
uh
<MGR>
uhL342[10:42:25] <MGR> one
minute
<MGR> one
minuteL343[10:42:36] <Vexatos> ohai
Magik6k
L344[10:42:43] <payonel> Vexatos: o/
:)
L345[10:42:46] <Vexatos> o\
L346[10:42:55] <Vexatos> payonel, how does
one /dev/components
L347[10:42:58] <Magik6k> o/
L348[10:43:10] <MGR> In the
lua shell, =component.modem.getWakeMessage()
<MGR> In the
lua shell, =component.modem.getWakeMessage()L349[10:43:17] <payonel> mgr: YES!
L350[10:43:27] <MGR> Do I
win a prize?
<MGR> Do I
win a prize?L351[10:43:33] <payonel> mgr: yes you do
:)
L352[10:43:39] <MGR>
awesome!
<MGR>
awesome!L353[10:43:58] <S3> MGR no, what it means
is that lua libraries can be formed that are built of multiple
files together
L354[10:43:58] <payonel> mgr: you could
run that in the lua shell,OOOORRRRR -- in your shell just run: `cat
/dev/components/by-type/modem/0/wakeMessage`
L355[10:44:00] <S3> and act as one big
file
L356[10:44:02] <Vexatos> Magik6k, so you
seem to care a bit about Selene... I'm currently thinking whether
scala-esque pattern matching would make sense to have and, if it
does, what people would expect to see in it
L357[10:44:18] <S3> when you require() a
.lo file, it has all of the global variables / functions
exposed
L358[10:44:24] <MGR>
payonel, but that shell command is longer
<MGR>
payonel, but that shell command is longerL359[10:44:35] <MGR> and
harder to remember :/
<MGR> and
harder to remember :/L360[10:44:37] <payonel> heard of tab
completion?
L361[10:44:43] <payonel> plus, you dont
have to edit a file and run it
L362[10:44:48] <payonel> or switch to lua
shell
L363[10:44:49] <S3> this allows you to
bundle libraries in a single file, or for me- create kernel modules
without an initial ramdisk.
L364[10:45:00] <MGR> in the
lua shell I don't have to edit files either
<MGR> in the
lua shell I don't have to edit files eitherL365[10:45:17] <MGR> Your
shell command would maybe shave a couple seconds off
<MGR> Your
shell command would maybe shave a couple seconds offL366[10:45:25] <MGR> But I
would have to remember more things
<MGR> But I
would have to remember more thingsL367[10:46:19] *
Vexatos pokes the payonel
L368[10:46:42] <payonel> Vexatos: can you
be specific about your /dev/components question?
L369[10:46:52] <Vexatos> what does it
have
L370[10:46:55] <Vexatos> in general
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L372[10:47:27] <Forecaster> dev
stuff
L373[10:48:14] <payonel> sorry, was
afk
L374[10:48:36] <payonel> it lists
organizing folders: by-address, by-type, and by-label
L375[10:49:00] <Michiyo> MGR: http://puu.sh/tLhWv/088043f76b.png this is how real
*nix-s do it too... just sayin
L376[10:49:01] <payonel> by-address being
the "source" of the devfs component "adapters",
which are like devfs drivers
L377[10:49:10] <payonel> the other
organizing folders link back to by-address
L378[10:49:25] <Michiyo> it hurts
*nothing* and adds neat features..
L379[10:49:27] <Vexatos> and what do the
files in them provide?
L380[10:49:41] <MGR>
@Mimiru I'm not saying OpenOS is bucking some sort of trend
<MGR>
@Mimiru I'm not saying OpenOS is bucking some sort of trendL381[10:49:41] <payonel> a component with
an adapter (such as modem) will have devfs points such as
wakeMessage, that you can read/write to
L382[10:49:53] <MGR>
Literally my only complaint is that those aren't real files
<MGR>
Literally my only complaint is that those aren't real filesL383[10:49:59] <Michiyo> Why does it
matter?
L384[10:50:02] <payonel> Vexatos: so for
example, /dev/eeprom is really a sym link to
/dev/components/by-address/{id of the eeprom}/contents
L385[10:50:08] <MGR> It
matters only to me
<MGR> It
matters only to meL386[10:50:13] <Michiyo> But why?
L387[10:50:28] <MGR>
because they're fake ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<MGR>
because they're fake ¯\_(ツ)_/¯L388[10:50:41] <Vexatos> payonel, I
see
L389[10:50:49] <Michiyo> They're fake to
you maybe..
L390[10:50:51] <MGR> I'm
not saying payonel should axe it just for me
<MGR> I'm
not saying payonel should axe it just for meL391[10:50:54] <payonel> /dev/eeprom-data
-> components/by-address/{id}/data
L392[10:50:59] <Vexatos> MGR: It's a
perfectly normal thing on unix .-.
L393[10:51:02] <MGR> I
don't think that highly of myself
<MGR> I
don't think that highly of myselfL394[10:51:09] <S3> I wonder what payonel
would say if my kernel only uses a few kilobytes of memory after
boot
L395[10:51:11] <MGR>
Vexatos, I don't caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare
<MGR>
Vexatos, I don't caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaareL396[10:51:13] <MGR> That's
not my complaint
<MGR> That's
not my complaintL397[10:51:19] <Michiyo> OpenOS strives to
be *nix like, soooo
L398[10:51:27] <payonel> S3: i'd be
jealous, tbh :)
L399[10:51:27] <MGR>
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
<MGR>
OoooooooooooooooooooooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayL400[10:51:41] <MGR> I'm
not saying anyone needs to make changes
<MGR> I'm
not saying anyone needs to make changesL401[10:51:49] <payonel> S3: i've been
thinking of building an os for oppm
L402[10:51:51] <MGR> I'm
just saying that I don't like it
<MGR> I'm
just saying that I don't like itL403[10:52:08] <S3> payonel: like where
you just give it a tag list and it builds a working system?
L404[10:52:22] <payonel> mgr: i'm okay
with you not liking it, i feel the need to explain it because i
suspect you dont like it because you dont see its use
L405[10:52:38] <MGR> I
don't really see its use
<MGR> I
don't really see its useL406[10:52:42] <MGR> But
that's not my complaint
<MGR> But
that's not my complaintL407[10:52:43] <Vexatos> payonel, "os
for oppm"? .-.
L408[10:52:45] <S3> MGR: what are you
trying to say you want today?
L409[10:53:03] <payonel> Vexatos: i just
mean, my own os that i would provide via oppm
L410[10:53:04] <MGR> S3, I
want a completed version of GERT translated directly from my
thoughts and then dropped into my computer
<MGR> S3, I
want a completed version of GERT translated directly from my
thoughts and then dropped into my computerL411[10:53:10] <Vexatos> S3, sooo uuuh
have you found a bug in selene yet?
L412[10:53:12] <MGR> But
that isn't happening
<MGR> But
that isn't happeningL413[10:53:19] <Vexatos> payonel, ah, but
what would it look like?
L414[10:53:31] <Michiyo> Windows
3.11
L415[10:53:34] <MGR> So I'm
content with having some time to do more work on it
<MGR> So I'm
content with having some time to do more work on itL416[10:53:37] <Vexatos> I hope so,
Michiyo
L417[10:53:39] <payonel> >.>
L418[10:53:42] <Michiyo> :P
L419[10:53:43] <S3> Vexatos: no. I start
writing in Selene today though. I had to buy a 300 page book, read
it, and write a paper on it last night.
L420[10:53:51] <Magik6k> Plan9k is now
primarly on oppm, heh
L421[10:53:54] <Vexatos> S3, only
300?
L422[10:54:03] <S3> that's a lot to read
in one day
L423[10:54:06] <S3> for me
L424[10:54:08] <Vexatos> I had to learn a
2100-page book by heart for an exam last semester
L425[10:54:23] <S3> I'm an engineer, we
don't read books like this
L426[10:54:23] <Vexatos> (granted, most
things in it were obvious)
L427[10:54:28] <Vexatos> Heh
L428[10:54:38] <S3> I'm used to using
reference books
L429[10:54:52] <Vexatos> So uuh, if you
get 24h done without finding a bug in Selene
L430[10:54:57] <Vexatos> I will be
confused
L431[10:55:01] <S3> :D
L432[10:55:15] <payonel> Vexatos: i'm not
sure. sometimes i want to build an openos variant that doesn't care
about memory :) -- sometimes i want to make something ultra low mem
and start from scratch
L433[10:55:16] <Vexatos> Because there are
just about three people who ever used it
L434[10:55:19] <S3> well the first thing I
am going to do is write the process scheduler for the exokernel in
Selene
L435[10:55:22] <S3> thatl be my first
lines.
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L437[10:55:32] <S3> so if there's bugs in
that, I'll know it real fast
L438[10:55:43] <Vexatos> payonel, good
Sir, do I need to see that statement as a personal accusation
L439[10:56:05] <payonel> haha, no no
:)
L440[10:56:14] <Vexatos> Am I supposed to
feel insulted now
L441[10:56:14] <payonel> i fully support
the memory constraints we pose on openos
L442[10:56:18] <Vexatos> :⁾
L443[10:56:54] <S3> I still find it hard
to believe the shell on openos uses so much memory
L444[10:56:59] <S3> even on Lua
L445[10:57:17] <payonel> but wow it can be
a challenge to optimize lua memory. i've also been thinking about
building my own emulator but in c++ and add some built in
profiling
L446[10:57:51] <S3> Lua is so simple
though..
L447[10:58:10] <Inari> payonel: CAuse CG +
Limited memory doesn't work super well D:
L448[10:58:30] <payonel> Inari ! o/
L449[10:58:39] <Inari> Ohi
L450[10:58:44] <S3> I have limited memory
but it seems to work fine
L451[10:58:53] <S3> I just can't tell you
what I ate for breakfast
L452[10:59:07] <Inari> :P
L453[10:59:29] <payonel> S3: every core
library takes about 10-20k
L454[10:59:32] <S3> people call me the
absent minded professor
L455[10:59:42] <S3> hm
L456[10:59:43] <payonel> the shell on its
own is only another 20k
L457[10:59:49] <S3> payonel: and this
includes the size of the binary chunk
L458[10:59:53] <Forecaster> Good news
everyone!
L459[10:59:59] <S3> what if you disabled
all of the debuggging stuff?
L460[11:00:12] <payonel> what debugging
stuff?
L461[11:00:19] <Michiyo> Forecaster, did
you invent the Finglonger?
L462[11:00:21] <Forecaster> (that was a
reference, I don't actually have good news)
L463[11:00:27] <20kdc>
presumably S3 means the line number data & such?
<20kdc>
presumably S3 means the line number data & such?L464[11:00:35] <Forecaster> Michiyo: I
can't remember!
L465[11:00:46] <S3> I noticed during my
time with Lua 5.1, that compiled lua bytecode is often larger than
the Lua code itself, and gamax92 was telling me that most of it is
just debug symbols.
L466[11:00:49] <Inari> Forecaster: A
reference to MGR?
L467[11:00:55] <Forecaster> no
L468[11:01:04] <MGR> Inari,
I did follow through
<MGR> Inari,
I did follow throughL469[11:01:38] <S3> I suppose most of it
is probably there for a reason
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L471[11:02:30] <payonel> S3: but disabling
symbols and line numbers is not the default user config
L472[11:02:46] <payonel> i have to
optimize for the default workflow
L473[11:03:05] <payonel> so either i fail
to see your point or i'm saying that is a moot point
L474[11:03:25] <S3> probably is
L475[11:03:28] <Inari> How would yuo even
trun debug symbols off
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L477[11:03:50] <S3> I think it's part of
the C apiu
L478[11:03:59] <Inari> OpenOS doesn't use
that
L479[11:04:33] <20kdc>
payonel: OpenOS optimization idea: concatenate all boot files
before load
<20kdc>
payonel: OpenOS optimization idea: concatenate all boot files
before loadL480[11:04:42] <S3> right I know openos
doesnt
L481[11:04:46] <S3> this would have to be
an OC change
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L483[11:04:55] <S3> and it's likely a bad
one
L484[11:04:57] <Inari> But Debug info is
pretty useful if you're developing
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L486[11:05:37] <20kdc>
payonel: ought to save memory, you see...
<20kdc>
payonel: ought to save memory, you see...L487[11:05:39] <Inari> Sadly OC doesn'ta
llow bytecode either xD
L488[11:06:08] <Inari> I wish normal lua
would put locals into the environment in some way
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L490[11:07:04] <payonel> Inari: +++++
yes
L491[11:07:08] <payonel> that would be
pretty cool
L492[11:07:23] <Inari> Would make swapping
much easier to do
L493[11:07:24] <Inari> :P
L494[11:07:34] <payonel> without needing
the debug hackery
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L496[11:08:26] <payonel> 20kdc: all boot
libs on a single line? :) interseting
L497[11:08:27] <payonel> es*
L498[11:08:34] <payonel> i can try it,
just for testing
L499[11:08:53] <S3> oh yeah
L500[11:08:54] <payonel> it would be
simple, i could replace all \n in loadfile buffering with ' '
L501[11:09:08] <S3> somebody once told me,
I think it was Magik6k that there is a way to emulate swap memory
in OpenOS
L502[11:09:14] <S3> or OC period
L503[11:09:22] <payonel> S3: yes i could,
if i had bytecode loading
L504[11:09:26] <S3> I dunno how that would
work without injecting bytecode
L505[11:09:29] <payonel> it's something i
want to work on for oc
L506[11:09:40] <S3> well it's a security
thing
L507[11:09:47] <payonel> yes, but we have
solutions to that
L508[11:09:52] <S3> oh?
L509[11:10:05] <payonel> we can
"bless" bytecode
L510[11:10:17] <payonel> only bytecode you
get from string.dump can be loaded
L511[11:10:31] <Inari> That seems
pointless
L512[11:10:33] <20kdc> *and
any other bytecode is sinful*
<20kdc> *and
any other bytecode is sinful*L513[11:10:46] <20kdc> It
probably wouldn't persist properly though
<20kdc> It
probably wouldn't persist properly thoughL514[11:11:21] <payonel> i could make it
persist, you just cant transmit and load out of context (e.g. on
another machine)
L515[11:11:30] <20kdc> I
mean, even if you store a bunch of hashes, someone who can mess
with the save-file can take control of the server via that
<20kdc> I
mean, even if you store a bunch of hashes, someone who can mess
with the save-file can take control of the server via thatL516[11:11:49] <payonel> Inari: any object
(function, table, etc) can be dumped, i'm saying oc would intercept
the dump and mark it as blessed
L517[11:12:04] <payonel> Inari: then when
oc sees the request to load, it confirms the blessing first
L518[11:12:24] <20kdc>
"and now to demonstrate this save file written by ... my
goodness what have you *done*, aaaaaa, the memes, why,
420bl--" *The connection has been cut.*
<20kdc>
"and now to demonstrate this save file written by ... my
goodness what have you *done*, aaaaaa, the memes, why,
420bl--" *The connection has been cut.*L519[11:12:33] <Inari> payonel: But whats
the point
L520[11:12:39] <payonel> for swap
L521[11:12:42] <payonel> :)
L522[11:13:22] <Inari> I don't see how it
helps aside just dumping functions directly and load()ing them
instead of laod() the text code again :P
L523[11:13:38] <Vexatos> payonel, just
s/local /_ENV./
L524[11:13:40] <Vexatos> :⁾
L525[11:13:54] <Inari> Vexatos: Doesn't
work sadyl XD
L526[11:14:20] <Inari> Though you didn'
tsound serious anyway
L527[11:14:21] <Inari> :P
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L530[11:14:50] <payonel> Inari: because
some things can't just be reloaded. such as a lib that needs to
keep state
L531[11:15:29] <payonel> libs could be
written in most cases to have a persistent reload - but i would
enjoy having kernel level control to just unload and reload objects
from swap space
L532[11:17:20] <Michiyo> "Thank you
for calling radioshack this is Katie" "Yeah is this
Radioshack?" FFS!
L533[11:17:32] <MGR>
@Mimiru did it happen again?
<MGR>
@Mimiru did it happen again?L534[11:17:37] <Michiyo> yes q_q
L535[11:17:50] <MGR> same
person?
<MGR> same
person?L536[11:17:52] <Michiyo> no
L537[11:18:06] <MGR> maybe
you should follow my advice ?
<MGR> maybe
you should follow my advice ?L538[11:18:24] <MGR>
"Thank you for calling the store named radioshack, this is the
woman named Katie"
<MGR>
"Thank you for calling the store named radioshack, this is the
woman named Katie"L539[11:19:22] <Vexatos> "Thank you
for calling radioshack, we sell radios and shacks, and I am Katie,
or was it the other way around?"
L540[11:19:30] <S3> who is katie
L541[11:19:34] <MGR> S3,
mimiru
<MGR> S3,
mimiruL542[11:19:36] <Michiyo> <--
L543[11:19:39] <S3> oh
L544[11:19:42] <Vexatos> MGR is Katie,
too
L545[11:19:46] <Vexatos> In fact, I am
Katie
L546[11:19:49] <Vexatos> Forecaster is
Katie
L547[11:19:50] <S3> wait what
L548[11:19:51] <Vexatos> Everyone is
Katie
L549[11:19:56] <S3> lol..
L550[11:20:02] <Michiyo> Nicks : Michiyo
Mimiru Katie Caitlyn Mimiry
L551[11:20:03] <Michiyo> :P
L552[11:20:08] <MGR> S3, I
am not katie
<MGR> S3, I
am not katieL553[11:20:12] <S3> here a katie there a
katie every where a katie katie?
L554[11:20:15] <Vexatos> Michiyo, so your
real name is "Nicks"?
L555[11:20:17] <Vexatos> or just
"Nick"
L556[11:20:41] <S3> Michiyo: and Mimiru
are the same person?!
L557[11:20:49] <Vexatos> Lies
L558[11:20:52] <Vexatos> actually
thea
L559[11:20:52] <MGR> S3,
yes, how have you not noticed this?
<MGR> S3,
yes, how have you not noticed this?L560[11:20:58] <S3> because
L561[11:20:59] <Vexatos> they are two
minds in the same body
L562[11:21:03] <S3> different nicks
L563[11:21:11] <S3> likewise, I alwaos mix
up Inari and Izaya
L564[11:21:16] <MGR>
heh
<MGR>
hehL565[11:21:20] <Vexatos> the
pings!!!!!
L566[11:21:25] <S3> Inari always gets the
credit I give Izaya lol
L567[11:21:33] <Vexatos> S3, just wait
until you see Sangar, Sangu and Sandra in the same channel
L568[11:21:36] <S3> Vexatos: I think you
just pinged ping saying that
L569[11:21:50] <S3> oh I have
L570[11:21:52] <MGR>
Vexatos, don't forget Trangar
<MGR>
Vexatos, don't forget TrangarL571[11:21:53] <Vexatos> it's tab complete
fun!
L572[11:21:58] <Vexatos> Doesn't
work
L573[11:22:22] <LuMistry> people always
auto-tab Lumien instead of me
L574[11:23:01] <payonel> LuMistry: my tab
complete likes you more
L575[11:23:09] <LuMistry> whoo
L576[11:23:21] <S3> class time
L577[11:23:42] <Inari> Some tab complete
prefer people who have recently talked
L578[11:23:43] <Michiyo> lol...
L579[11:23:59] <LuMistry> Inari, yes
L580[11:24:09] <Michiyo> someone didn't
know I was Mimiru too...
L581[11:24:11] <LuMistry> that must be why
payonel's likes me more
L582[11:24:39] <payonel> i'll admit, i
have my favorites
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L584[11:24:53] <LuMistry> payonel: and who
are they?
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L587[11:25:01] <MGR> Am I
one? ?
<MGR> Am I
one? ?L588[11:25:04] <MGR>
probably not
<MGR>
probably notL589[11:25:17]
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L590[11:25:42] <payonel> mgr: i dont
dislike you :)
L591[11:26:10] <payonel> LuMistry:
^.^
L592[11:26:14] <MGR> well
that already makes your opinion of me better than most of the
people in this channel ?
<MGR> well
that already makes your opinion of me better than most of the
people in this channel ?L593[11:26:31] <LuMistry> payonel: I'm one
of your favorites?
L594[11:27:13] <gamax92> @20kdc I mean
that's already possible so what's your point?
L595[11:27:30] <gamax92> ... >_>
oops wasn't scrolled down.
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L597[11:28:07] <vifino> gamax92!
L598[11:28:11] <gamax92> hey vifino
L599[11:28:30] <vifino> How are you?
L600[11:28:31] *
Lizzy picks vifino up, sits in his spot then puts him on her
lap
L601[11:28:40] <gamax92> oh
L602[11:29:08] <gamax92> okay then I'll go
back over here ...
L603[11:29:17] <payonel> LuMistry:
definitely :) kind greetings every time you visit and stuff like
"I can very slowly speak Binary :) which I end up deceoding to
english XD" and "As an AI, I don't experience pleasure
the same way humans do"
L604[11:29:42] <LuMistry> yay
L605[11:30:14] <LuMistry> I'm certainly
unique :P
L606[11:30:15] *
Lizzy snuggles her vifino
L607[11:32:12] <payonel> Inari: http://imgur.com/a/sgFhW
L608[11:32:44] <Inari> Haha
L609[11:34:00] <gamax92> jpeg.jpeg
L610[11:34:07] <xarses_> payonel: nice
code drop
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L612[11:35:36] <Michiyo> http://imgur.com/gallery/wP9vdIA
L613[11:36:08] <MGR> such
airflow
<MGR> such
airflowL614[11:36:22] <Michiyo> damn it.. now I'm
imguring at work
L615[11:36:27] <payonel> xarses: if you
plan on reviewing it i'll merge so you can have a build
easily
L616[11:36:52] <payonel> otherwise i'm
just giving it a day for me to think through it a bit in case i
think of something else to check before i merge
L617[11:37:17] <MGR>
payonel, just wondering, did you get my PMs?
<MGR>
payonel, just wondering, did you get my PMs?L618[11:37:17] <xarses> its all openos
right?
L619[11:37:32] *
xarses admits he just skimmed the cr email
L620[11:38:44] <payonel> mgr: yeah
:)
L621[11:39:00] <payonel> xarses: yes,
openos only
L622[11:39:12] <MGR>
payonel, then why didn't you hit me up with a response? ?
<MGR>
payonel, then why didn't you hit me up with a response? ?L623[11:40:09] <xarses> Shouldn't be too
hard to review then... We should have a loader to pull openos from
git branch anyway...
L624[11:43:04] <payonel> xarses: i should
make an update tool. i have thought of it a few times :/
L625[11:43:19] <Michiyo> %xkcd rtfm
L626[11:43:22] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
https://xkcd.com/293/ - *xkcd: RTFM*:
"Permanent link to this comic: http://xkcd.com/293/ Image URL
(for hotlinking/ embedding): http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/rtfm.png. [[ A man with
a knife sticking out ..."
L627[11:43:25] <Michiyo> <3
L628[11:43:55] <payonel> ha, nice
L629[11:45:59] <Vexatos> payonel, but then
you'd need a stable and a dev openos branch :P
L630[11:46:00] *
vifino snuggles Lizzy back
L631[11:48:53] <MGR> %xkcd
307
<MGR> %xkcd
307L632[11:48:55] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name:
Excessive Quotation URL: https://xkcd.com/307
L633[11:52:55] <gamax92> Vexatos: but then
the stable branch would be empty
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L635[12:00:08] <Michiyo> The next person
that asks me for an Ethernet splitter is going to get hit.
L636[12:00:17] <MGR>
why?
<MGR>
why?L637[12:00:19] <payonel> stable is for
horses
L638[12:00:58] <Michiyo> MGR, go split an
Ethernet cable, and connect it to 2 computers, I'll wait.
L639[12:01:11] <Forecaster> payonel: or
ponies!
L640[12:01:16] <MGR> that
wouldn't work
<MGR> that
wouldn't workL641[12:01:22] <MGR>
because you need all the wires for one computer
<MGR>
because you need all the wires for one computerL642[12:01:26] <MGR> I
think
<MGR> I
thinkL643[12:01:31] <Michiyo> No, 100mbit uses
2 pairs of 4
L644[12:01:33] <Michiyo> but still.
L645[12:01:51] <MGR>
\o/
<MGR>
\o/L646[12:01:59] <xarses> Vexatos: could
just pull from his forked branch...
L647[12:02:06] <Michiyo> you CAN run 2
100mbit connections on a single line, but it'll suck.
L648[12:02:18] <Michiyo> But 99% of people
want a splitter like for a phone line.
L649[12:02:36] <Michiyo> a dumb splitter
that just connects 2 devices to a single line..
L650[12:03:27] <MGR> it'll
be bad because of crosstalk, right?
<MGR> it'll
be bad because of crosstalk, right?L651[12:03:35] <Michiyo> Not a switch
either.. a splitter, when you say well I have this ethernet switch
they balk! Oh gods no, not a switch! I've been doing this for 4000
years, we don't need a switch!
L652[12:03:37] <Michiyo> yes
L653[12:04:12] <Forecaster> 4k years is
pretty long, you should listen to them
L654[12:04:12] <MGR> What
is wrong with a switch? XD
<MGR> What
is wrong with a switch? XDL655[12:04:19] <MGR> Those
people are not the brightest
<MGR> Those
people are not the brightestL656[12:04:27] <Michiyo> We DO carry a
"Splitter / Combiner" it takes 2 ports on one side, runs
them across all 4 pairs, and splits on the other...
L657[12:04:39] <Michiyo> but cross talk,
and they don't want to have to use 2 ports on one side..
L658[12:04:54] <MGR>
lol...
<MGR>
lol...L659[12:05:10] <MGR> if
they say 4000, you should say 4001
<MGR> if
they say 4000, you should say 4001L660[12:05:17] <Michiyo> I'm going to go
homicidal one day..
L661[12:05:24] <MGR> or
just throw networking equipment at them
<MGR> or
just throw networking equipment at themL662[12:05:45] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/wOTsMhq.jpg Fun facts: She used
131 stones for the HELP and 95 for the SLUT. Also her SLUT L use 2
stones less than her HELP L. Also apparently she rearranged all
stones on that little island between making the changes to her
word
L663[12:06:33] <Inari> (Extra fact: Yes, I
was bored)
L664[12:28:47] <payonel> Forecaster:
ponies disturb me
L665[12:32:43] <Inari> TIL http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/
L666[12:47:18] <Forecaster> payonel:
why?
L667[12:54:39] <payonel> Forecaster: they
look like tumorous hyenas
L668[12:55:47] <Forecaster> I see
L669[12:55:58] <Forecaster> I haven't
really given that any thought :P
L670[13:01:21] <Michiyo> ARGH! FFS USPS !=
UPS
L671[13:01:22] <Michiyo> q_q
L672[13:02:04] <Michiyo> I'm gonna start
taking every fucking USPS package people try to bring me, open 'em
and sell the contents.
L673[13:02:10] <Forecaster> orisit?!
#illuminati
L674[13:07:16] <Inari> Michiyo: Sounds
illegal
L675[13:07:35] <Michiyo> It is, but at
this point I'm beyond caring.
L676[13:08:08] <Michiyo> Also good to
know... my XMPP server is not running as a service ._>
L677[13:08:10] <Michiyo> ._.*
L678[13:09:19] <Michiyo> And now it
is.
L679[13:13:56] <MGR>
@Mimiru I can take those USPS packages off your hands
<MGR>
@Mimiru I can take those USPS packages off your handsL680[13:14:10] <MGR> Also,
my phone autocorrected USPS to UPS XD
<MGR> Also,
my phone autocorrected USPS to UPS XDL681[13:14:43] <MGR> Maybe
people have autocorrect in their brains now
<MGR> Maybe
people have autocorrect in their brains nowL682[13:33:06] <CompanionCube> Michiyo:
isn't there an opportunity for potentially less-illegal profit
here
L683[13:33:35] <CompanionCube> 1) accept
USPS package 2) charge to repackage and deliver via UPS 3) ??? 4)
PROFIT :p
L684[13:44:32] <Michiyo> Yes, but that
doesn't make *me* profit, that makes the *store* profit :P
L685[14:09:12] <Michiyo> https://gfycat.com/DamagedSecondaryAustrianpinscher
"Wigglebot! ACTIVATE"
L686[14:09:41] <MGR> Kerbal
Space Program?
<MGR> Kerbal
Space Program?L687[14:10:31] <Michiyo> Yeah
L688[14:11:29] <MGR> It
sure looked like it
<MGR> It
sure looked like itL689[14:11:38] <MGR> One of
the most Kerbal vehicles ever
<MGR> One of
the most Kerbal vehicles everL690[14:13:17] ⇦
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L691[14:14:41] <Forecaster> yay mobs
L692[14:14:44] <Forecaster> mods*
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L694[14:21:16] <20kdc> that
looks like a *mecha*
<20kdc> that
looks like a *mecha*L695[14:24:21] <TYKUHN2>
Wonder what primarily limits ethernet chips to 100mbps
<TYKUHN2>
Wonder what primarily limits ethernet chips to 100mbpsL696[14:24:45] <TYKUHN2>
Microprocessor speed?
<TYKUHN2>
Microprocessor speed?L697[14:30:32] <Forecaster> too few
rams
L698[14:31:22] <20kdc>
?
<20kdc>
?L699[14:31:31] <20kdc>
Those?
<20kdc>
Those?L700[14:31:37] <Forecaster> yes
L701[14:31:43] <20kdc>
Ah.
<20kdc>
Ah.L702[14:33:31] <TYKUHN2>
That sounds stupid but I suppose possible
<TYKUHN2>
That sounds stupid but I suppose possibleL703[14:34:14] <CompanionCube> Corded:
isn't gigabit very common too?
L704[14:34:20] <CompanionCube>
*TYKHUN2
L705[14:34:38] <TYKUHN2> My
router is old
<TYKUHN2> My
router is oldL706[14:34:55] <TYKUHN2> It
doesn't support gigabit
<TYKUHN2> It
doesn't support gigabitL707[14:35:21] <20kdc>
maybe gigabit ethernet requires wool
<20kdc>
maybe gigabit ethernet requires woolL708[14:35:24] <Corded> * 20kdc checks a
recipe guide
L709[14:35:36] <20kdc> ah,
yeah, apparently it does
<20kdc> ah,
yeah, apparently it doesL710[14:36:03] <TYKUHN2>
Can I disassemble and remake it with gig?
<TYKUHN2>
Can I disassemble and remake it with gig?L711[14:36:09] <20kdc>
sadly no
<20kdc>
sadly noL712[14:36:18] *
Michiyo sighs
L713[14:36:49] <Forecaster> %flip
sighs
L714[14:36:49] <MichiBot> Forecaster:
(╯°□°）╯sɥɓıs
L715[14:37:42] <TYKUHN2>
/flip I want gigabit!
<TYKUHN2>
/flip I want gigabit!L716[14:37:52] <TYKUHN2> I
want gigabit! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
<TYKUHN2> I
want gigabit! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻L717[14:37:53] <MGR>
/flip
<MGR>
/flipL718[14:37:57] <MGR>
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
<MGR>
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻L719[14:38:30] <TYKUHN2>
I'll calm down now. ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
<TYKUHN2>
I'll calm down now. ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)L720[14:39:05] <Forecaster> %flip calming
down
L721[14:39:05] <MichiBot> Forecaster:
(╯°□°）╯uʍop ɓuıɯlɐɔ
L722[14:39:31] <TYKUHN2>
%flip this never works
<TYKUHN2>
%flip this never worksL723[14:39:32] <MichiBot> TYKUHN2:
(╯°□°）╯sʞɹoʍ ɹǝʌǝu sıɥʇ
L724[14:39:37] <TYKUHN2>
%flip sʞɹoʍ ɹǝʌǝu sıɥʇ
<TYKUHN2>
%flip sʞɹoʍ ɹǝʌǝu sıɥʇL725[14:39:37] <MichiBot> TYKUHN2:
(╯°□°）╯this never works
L726[14:40:01] <TYKUHN2> It
worked!
<TYKUHN2> It
worked!L727[14:40:03] <TYKUHN2> %
_
<TYKUHN2> %
_L728[14:40:06] <TYKUHN2>
%flip _
<TYKUHN2>
%flip _L729[14:40:06] <MichiBot> TYKUHN2:
(╯°□°）╯‾
L730[14:40:17] <20kdc> yes!
The legendary "‾"
<20kdc> yes!
The legendary "‾"L731[14:40:23] <20kdc> an
artifact of incredible power
<20kdc> an
artifact of incredible powerL732[14:57:55] *
Forecaster steals the artefact
L733[14:58:57] <20kdc>
Noooo
<20kdc>
NooooL734[14:59:10] <Corded> * 20kdc
immediately uses "Track full of barking 82" as a
distraction to retrieve it!
L735[15:00:57] <Forecaster> too late! I
already escaped (dramatically) and now you need to go on an epic
world-spanning quest to retrieve it
L736[15:01:50] <20kdc> I
have a much better idea.
<20kdc> I
have a much better idea.L737[15:02:08] <Corded> * 20kdc explodes
something on the artifact. Forecaster is unharmed. The artifact,
however, is not.
L738[15:02:23] <Forecaster> oh well
L739[15:02:42] <20kdc>
Scorched Earth Policy is a standard to me.
<20kdc>
Scorched Earth Policy is a standard to me.L740[15:05:14]
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L741[15:05:24] <Izaya> you people are
smart
L742[15:05:37] <Izaya> how many
transistors does a toggle latch need?
L743[15:06:04] <Forecaster> you're talking
real electronics I assume?
L744[15:06:17] <Inari> Two :P
L745[15:06:23] <Michiyo> err yeah 2
L746[15:06:38] <Inari> Thouigh I think
they can be made with NOR gates... do NOR gates need
transistors?
L747[15:06:44] <Inari> Oh
L748[15:06:46] <Inari> of cours ethey
would
L749[15:06:46] <Inari> :P
L750[15:06:50] <Izaya> excellent
L751[15:07:06] <Forecaster> I'm super
surprised the Katy employee knows the answer to that
L752[15:07:10] <Izaya> two transistors, a
button and a bunch of LEDs
L753[15:07:22] <Inari> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Transistor_Bistable_interactive_animated_EN.svg/520px-Transistor_Bistable_interactive_animated_EN.svg.png
xP
L754[15:07:35] <Izaya> can I do debounce
in hardware?
L755[15:07:48] <Izaya> would I use like, a
capacitor for that?
L756[15:08:01] <Inari> I'd assume theres
some debounce simply by the transistor swtiching time? No
clue
L757[15:08:54] <20kdc> hmm,
that's not a toggle... that's an RS latch
<20kdc> hmm,
that's not a toggle... that's an RS latchL758[15:09:17] <Inari> Yeah :P They're
somewhat he same though
L759[15:09:24] *
Izaya forgets the different latch names
L760[15:09:59] <Izaya> I wonder how hard
it would be to make logisim run on android
L761[15:10:14] <Izaya> probably more
effort than it's worth
L762[15:10:57] <Michiyo> The number of
transistors required is between 2 and 1.7 trillion, with other
supporting components as required.
L763[15:14:26] <Izaya> ...
L764[15:14:39] <Izaya> Thanks for that
wonderful info
L765[15:14:59] <20kdc>
Izaya: yay Swing
<20kdc>
Izaya: yay SwingL766[15:15:06] <20kdc>
everybody loves Swing, right?
<20kdc>
everybody loves Swing, right?L767[15:15:22] <Izaya> as in the GUI thing
for Java?
L768[15:15:42] <20kdc> Yes!
Let's go on the Swing! It's perfectly safe! \* May not be perfectly
safe. May cause madness, insanity and a bad hair day.
<20kdc> Yes!
Let's go on the Swing! It's perfectly safe! \* May not be perfectly
safe. May cause madness, insanity and a bad hair day.L769[15:16:00] <Izaya> sounds about
right
L770[15:16:04] <Inari> Okay then
L771[15:16:13] <Inari> This TESO
downloader claims to be running at 28.33 mb/s
L772[15:19:57] <Izaya> that's disk I/O
probably
L773[15:22:16] <scj643> UIKit
L774[15:23:35] <Izaya> Sounds like an OS X
only lib
L775[15:23:37] <Izaya> ie useless
L776[15:23:43] <Izaya> Qt or bust
L777[15:28:56] <20kdc>
custom blend of a not-invented-here UI framework based on something
which resembles SDL but uses no natives instead using whatever the
native platform system is *or bust*.
<20kdc>
custom blend of a not-invented-here UI framework based on something
which resembles SDL but uses no natives instead using whatever the
native platform system is *or bust*.L778[15:30:45] <scj643> UI kit works
nicely
L779[15:30:52] <scj643> Sadly apple
only
L780[15:31:55] <Izaya> What use is it to
anyone but Apple if it's Apple only?
L781[15:32:08] <Izaya> I don't know any
software that is Apple-only
L782[15:32:17] <Izaya> excluding iOS apps
anyway
L783[15:32:54] <scj643> An IRC
client
L784[15:33:02] <scj643> Forget what it's
called
L785[15:33:06] <Izaya> because if you
develop for desktop, you do either your native platform or Windows
first, then port to the other stuff
L786[15:33:26] <scj643> Dash docs is OS X
only
L787[15:33:29] <Izaya> Generally in order
of number of users
L788[15:33:38] <Izaya> Never heard of it
\o/
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L790[15:34:17] <scj643>
scj.theender.net/quassel
L791[15:34:22] <scj643> Whoops
L792[15:34:34] <scj643>
scj.theender.net/quassel
L793[15:34:38] <scj643> Wtf Android
L794[15:34:48] <scj643> https://kapeli.com/dash
L795[15:34:51] <scj643> That's dash
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L797[15:35:24] <Izaya> ew
L798[15:35:50] <Izaya> man, info, and that
part of /var exist for a reason
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L800[15:50:48] <MGR> Time
to do some testing on GERTi's routing
<MGR> Time
to do some testing on GERTi's routingL801[16:00:29] <S3> mgr oh?
L802[16:00:38] <MajGenRelativity>
yep
L803[16:00:50] <MGR> I set
up the basic open Route function
<MGR> I set
up the basic open Route functionL804[16:01:02] <S3> ?
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L806[16:01:03] <MajGenRelativity> now I
need to see what's broken
L807[16:01:26] <MindWorX> Is there any way
to send a message to a computer using commands? It's fine if it's
an admin-only command.
L808[16:01:28] <MGR> S3,
when a program opens a connection to another computer, GERTi first
attempts to validate the connection path
<MGR> S3,
when a program opens a connection to another computer, GERTi first
attempts to validate the connection pathL809[16:01:36] <MindWorX> Right now I'm
relying on placing redstone blocks. I'd love to avoid it.
L810[16:01:40] <MajGenRelativity> I'm
testing to see if that works
L811[16:01:40] <S3> and how does it do
that?
L812[16:01:51] <MGR> modem
messages
<MGR> modem
messagesL813[16:01:57] <S3> well duh
L814[16:02:33] <MajGenRelativity> S3,
https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/GERT/tree/master/GERTi
L815[16:03:16] <vifino> Oh, hey,
Izaya.
L816[16:03:26] <vifino> How's life?
L817[16:04:03] <S3> I'm really mad
L818[16:04:11] <S3> well no, I'm just
really frustrated
L819[16:04:28] <MGR> S3,
why is that?
<MGR> S3,
why is that?L820[16:06:29] <S3> I may have -almost-
caused a real serious accident driving today
L821[16:06:35] <S3> trying to prevent
one
L822[16:07:27] <Michiyo> MindWorX, not
that I know of, unless you have computronics and feel like using a
chat box and watching chat events..
L823[16:07:48] <S3> I was driving on a
long, 55Mph dangerous road that stretches for about 45 minutes,
when some guy, showed an intent to pass me as my lane (which I had
right of way) was closing. He wasn't passing and I was confused and
prepared to figure out if I had to stop or speed up
L824[16:08:20] <S3> then all of a sudden
as I'm watching my rear view mirror, I see a school bus go by in it
and by the time it registered in my head it had red flashing
lights
L825[16:08:26] <S3> but it may not have
been flashing red until I passed
L826[16:08:31] <S3> it was so
frightening
L827[16:08:59] <MajGenRelativity> S3,
close call
L828[16:09:07] <MajGenRelativity> Good
thing it turned out ok
L829[16:09:09] <S3> yeah but I may have
passed it
L830[16:09:17] <S3> the bus was definately
stopped
L831[16:09:22] <MajGenRelativity>
Yeah...
L832[16:09:26] <S3> I am hoping he was
waiting for us to pass
L833[16:09:33] <S3> butu my biggest fear
is running over somebody's kid..
L834[16:09:36] <S3> or anyone
L835[16:09:39] <MajGenRelativity> that
would not be good
L836[16:09:53] <MindWorX> I've been a
cabdriver for years. The number of close calls I've had because
people do idiotic things are countless.
L837[16:10:12] <S3> and like I said I
wasn't looking in front of me for like 5 - 10 seconds because I
didn't know what to do about the person behind me
L838[16:10:45] <S3> they were right at
that point where people speed up a lot when they're passing, he was
in the passing lane and really shouldn't have been
L839[16:10:52] <S3> MindWorX: oh
yeah?
L840[16:11:40] <S3> The problem is
MindWorX I was trying to prevent a problem and yet I realize I was
the one being an idiot
L841[16:11:46] <S3> because I wasn't
looking at the road
L842[16:12:08] <MindWorX> Yeah, it's
crazy. Worst was someone overtaking, in a bend, in oncoming
traffic. I was almost all the way off the road to avoid the
collision.
L843[16:12:32] <S3> yeah that's bad
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L845[16:12:52] <S3> I wasn't overly
worried, but I was concerned and confused because I couldn't tell
what the other driver was about to do
L846[16:13:02] <MindWorX> Yeah, I think
that's the case often. I doubt people are generally idiots. But if
we all have one idiotic day per year, the amount of idiotic things
happening daily is pretty big.
L847[16:13:09] <S3> and imo that's even
more dangerous than somebody with road rage
L848[16:13:24] <S3> lol
L849[16:14:43] <S3> MindWorX: the road I
drive on so often is known to be extremely dangerous because of
head on collisions. it's got little to no police force, and is
really wide, on the rolling hills, and has a high speed limit of 55
(so most go 70)
L850[16:15:31] <S3> we have lanes
designated for slower traffic, which you must use by law unless
you're passing and they are between 500 feet to a mile long
L851[16:15:32] <S3> each
L852[16:15:42] <S3> here, slower traffic
lanes have right of way
L853[16:16:08] <S3> so when the lane merge
comes, you need to get into the passing lane and prepare to slow
down for right lane traffic
L854[16:16:13] <S3> you have to
merge
L855[16:16:27] <S3> otherwise the slower
traffic ends up off the road
L856[16:18:13] <S3> I just really hope the
bus driver was smart and waited to put the red lights up until
right after we passed him. the guy behind me also didn't stop for
the bus so that's like the only thing keeping me from thinking I
actually did pass it MindWorX, figuring that at least ONE of us was
paying attention to the road.
L857[16:20:25] <Izaya> vifino: stuff is
good
L858[16:23:33] <vifino> hooray.
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L860[16:38:56] <MajGenRelativity> S3, I
have some good news to brighten up your day :D
L861[16:39:07] <MajGenRelativity> GERTi is
now validated for opening routing paths to direct neighbors
L862[16:41:58] <vifino> Izaya: I may or
may not have been working on a toolset to write your own X window
manager.
L863[16:42:08] <vifino> And it may or may
not be painful.
L864[16:42:45] <S3> ok
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L866[16:47:40] <MajGenRelativity> GERTi,
however, bugs out when non-neighbors attempt to be contacted
L867[16:47:42] <MajGenRelativity> and I
know why
L868[16:47:50] <MajGenRelativity> well,
know one of the reasons why
L869[16:47:57] <Chaoschaot234> o0 - can it
be that NickServ does deletes any user which hasn't logged in for a
specific time? Because I got notifyed that my Nick isn't registered
but I have definitly registered it o0
L870[16:48:07] <Izaya> X is horrible
L872[16:48:58] <Forecaster>
Pro tips
<Forecaster>
Pro tipsL873[16:51:25] <MGR> i
think your eyes would literally feel like they were on fire
<MGR> i
think your eyes would literally feel like they were on fireL874[16:53:21] <Forecaster>
But you'd be awake
<Forecaster>
But you'd be awakeL875[16:54:53] <MGR>
@Forecaster but probably in too much pain to study
<MGR>
@Forecaster but probably in too much pain to studyL876[16:54:57] <MGR> Or see
straight
<MGR> Or see
straightL877[16:55:09] <Forecaster>
Psh, details
<Forecaster>
Psh, detailsL878[16:55:23] <Michiyo> Chaoschaot234, 30
days
L879[16:56:05] <Forecaster>
Left to live
<Forecaster>
Left to liveL880[16:57:24] <Chaoschaot234> o0 - this
is rediciolus because a registered name should ever be registered
... well, as long as I can join some channels I'll not going to
reregister the name ... however, time to do some building in my
base and beginning with my OC-Programm ^^
L881[16:59:14] <MGR>
Chaoschaot234, what are you programming?
<MGR>
Chaoschaot234, what are you programming?L882[16:59:25] <Forecaster>
You can tell nickserv to put you in vacation mode
<Forecaster>
You can tell nickserv to put you in vacation modeL883[16:59:42] <Forecaster>
That extends the time as long as you don't log on
<Forecaster>
That extends the time as long as you don't log onL884[17:00:21] <Chaoschaot234> ok, thanks
for that info Forecaster
L885[17:00:47] <Forecaster>
That only works if you know you're going to be away of course
<Forecaster>
That only works if you know you're going to be away of courseL886[17:01:09] <Forecaster>
The other solution is to get a bouncer that keeps you logged
on
<Forecaster>
The other solution is to get a bouncer that keeps you logged
onL887[17:01:54] <Chaoschaot234> MGR - A
Star Trek based Programm/System to controle my entire base. Means
not only turning lights on/off over redstone ... Security System is
planned, Production Controll System is planned, Energy Controll
System is planned and so far.
L888[17:02:04] <MGR>
ooh
<MGR>
oohL889[17:02:09] <Chaoschaot234> Since I
play with Galacticraft many is todo
L890[17:02:12] <MGR> is the
security system going to be TACEATS2?
<MGR> is the
security system going to be TACEATS2?L891[17:02:22] <Michiyo> Vacation only
extends it to 90 days afaik
L892[17:02:40] <Chaoschaot234> E. g.
controlling the Air COndition and smth. like that
L893[17:03:06] <Forecaster>
Something like that yeah
<Forecaster>
Something like that yeahL894[17:03:23] <Michiyo> err 180 days,
sorry
L895[17:03:39] <MajGenRelativity>
Chaoschaot234, remind me to talk to you another day
L896[17:03:46] <MajGenRelativity> because
I have a good security system you may lik
L897[17:03:48] <MajGenRelativity>
like*
L898[17:04:21] <Chaoschaot234> TACEATS2?
Never heared of it/him - So I planned to code my own one which will
take definitly some time to make it if I can't finde a good one
before it :)
L899[17:05:33] <Chaoschaot234>
MajGenRelativity - Sounds good. Can you tell me what kind of SS it
is? PIN based? "KeyCard" based? Possibilities are endless
^^.
L900[17:05:41] <CompanionCube> Izaya: what
about wayland
L901[17:05:54] *
CompanionCube wonders if it's bagel or something]
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L903[17:08:06] <Chaoschaot234> A question
to our ModDev's ... is 1.7.10 already discontinued? Not that I get
some problems with the latest ones and some scripts because they
may eventually not work between 1.7.10 and newer versions of
it.
L904[17:08:31] <MGR>
Afk
<MGR>
AfkL905[17:08:31] <Michiyo> 1.7 is the main
OC branch still, AFAIK
L906[17:08:40] <Chaoschaot234> sounds
good
L907[17:10:11] <Kodos> What
have I missed
<Kodos> What
have I missedL908[17:10:29] <Renari> Has anyone had an
issue where screens stop updating?
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L910[17:11:08] <Renari> I've had this
happen quite a few times now, rebooting the machine fixes it. The
screen still triggers touch events but draw calls that should
change what is displayed don't show.
L911[17:11:09] <Kodos> Only when another
screen got accidentally connected
L912[17:11:17] <Kodos> But not htat,
no
L913[17:11:27] <Renari> It's happening
with a screen that's attached to a server.
L914[17:11:40] <Renari> There's a network
cable that comes out that is also attached to a tape drive.
L915[17:12:02] <Renari> The screen will
work until I log off, and then every day I login it's happening
again.
L916[17:12:23] <Renari> This is on a
server, I have my suspicions that's it's an issue with chicken
chunks.
L917[17:12:33] <Kodos> Ah, yes, that mod
is notoriously buggy iirc
L918[17:12:39] <Kodos> Use Railcraft
anchors
L919[17:12:51] <Renari> I don't think
they're in 1.10.2
L920[17:12:58] <Kodos> Ah, hm
L921[17:13:08] <Kodos> I have no idea what
chunkloaders exist in 1.10
L922[17:13:22] <Chaoschaot234> CC is
buggy? in 1.7.10? I have never had any kind of problems with their
chunkloaders
L923[17:13:25] <Renari> Yeah I've looked
there's like 3, chicken chunks and then 2 really basic ones.
L924[17:13:53] <Michiyo> yeah good
chunkloaders for 1.10 are hard to find
L925[17:13:56] <Chaoschaot234> ok,
currently I use this "Claimed Chunks" feature so I must
not crate chunkloaders
L926[17:13:57] <Renari> I've had a ton of
issues with it in 1.10.2, ME import/export bus will randomly stop
working.
L927[17:14:06] <Renari> As well as this
screen issue.
L928[17:15:31] <Chaoschaot234> Also a side
question ... any MP for 1.10.2 which is good to play and can reach
the 1.7.10 FTB Infinity? I know that I'll miss some mods but ... it
is hard to wait until they get ported
L929[17:16:22] <Renari> Not sure, I don't
follow modpacks I tend to make them myself for small scale
friends-only servers.
L930[17:16:59] <Renari> At lot of stuff is
still being updated.
L931[17:17:10] <Renari> Thermal Expansion
announced they'll be updating like last week iirc.
L932[17:18:49] <Chaoschaot234> One of the
Mods I am waiting for
L933[17:19:00] <Chaoschaot234> Also
weiting for Thaumcraft and (new) addons
L934[17:19:16] <Chaoschaot234>
*waiting
L935[17:19:33] <Renari> Yeah the last 2
servers me and friends have played on Thaumcraft has been missed a
lot (to the point that one person decided not to play on
them).
L936[17:20:37] <Renari> Apparently Azanor
is changing everything again.
L937[17:21:44] <Chaoschaot234> the problem
on TC sides is that Azanor is writing it means nothing is on git to
help him. He toled me privatly, after asking for help, that he want
to do this alone so the code is still clean. I can understand him
but at the other side this is the point why it takes so long to be
ported.
L938[17:22:12] <Chaoschaot234> Another new
change? Have looked a video for TC5 - cahnges in this version are
cool and bad together
L939[17:23:01] <Chaoschaot234> I like how
the research system was changed in TC5 (no longer collecting
aspects) but draining vis from the surrounding area ...
L940[17:23:05] <Renari> I don't
necessarily agree with that statement, pull requests can be denied
for sloppy code.
L941[17:23:36] <Chaoschaot234> True but as
long as he did not provide the source on git we can't do
anything
L942[17:24:58] <Renari> I think it's more
of he considers Thaumcraft his project, and he doesn't want to
simply update things, he continuously redesigns large portions of
the mod. Having more people on the project makes that a bit
complicated.
L943[17:25:27] <Renari> Since you need to
maintain issue trackers and logs of what you're doing so other
people don't waste their time working on something useless or that
will be replaced.
L944[17:26:00] <Chaoschaot234> true
L945[17:26:54] <Chaoschaot234> Well, I
think that I'll wait for a stable 1.10.2 version before I throw
away 1.7.10 ... hopfully it will be released before we get MC 2
xD
L946[17:27:17] <Chaoschaot234> I mean 1.11
is out and I think that many are playing on 1.7.10 yet
L947[17:29:34] <Renari> The process of
updating to 1.11 doesn't seem that difficult. I haven't worked on
anything but quite a few big mods updated to it pretty
quickly.
L948[17:29:55] <Chaoschaot234> like
draconic evolutin xD
L949[17:30:08] <Renari> Mcjty even wrote a
compat library that allows 1.11 backports.
L950[17:30:16] <Chaoschaot234> I don't
know how the current state for AE2 is but I think they should be on
1.9 currently
L951[17:30:29] <Renari> They are on 1.10.2
but it's alpha.
L952[17:31:22] <Chaoschaot234> Mcjty is a
good MCDev - I like his RFTools too (to bad for Mystcraft which is
also a good DIM Mod but ...)
L953[17:41:13] <Renari> Also we never put
draconic evolution on any of our servers, it seems pretty game
breaking.
L954[17:43:29] <MajGenRelativity> Renari,
it isn't really
L955[17:43:58] <Renari> How is a sword
with 40 base attack damage balanced?
L956[17:44:10] <Renari> That doesn't seem
to fit into any sort of progression curve.
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L958[17:44:22] <MajGenRelativity> i've
seen armor that can take that
L959[17:44:52] <Renari> I have too, that
isn't the point though.
L960[17:45:26] <MajGenRelativity>
\shrug
L961[17:45:27] <MajGenRelativity>
afk
L962[17:45:28] <Renari> The dragon armor
from simple upgrades has resistance V on it which basically reads
god mode.
L963[17:45:54] <Renari> If I go make a mod
that can kill people with resistance V it doesn't mean that isn't
to strong.
L964[17:47:03] <Renari> My viewpoint on
things like this, is basically does it trivialize combat/boss
without a equal threat from a new source and prerequisite
progression of other boss'.
L965[17:47:36] <Chaoschaot234>
Renari?
L966[17:47:42] <Renari> Yes?
L967[17:47:52] <Chaoschaot234> I can take
you down even with Draconic Amour and Runic Shilding :P
L968[17:47:54] <Kodos> Honestly, god
armors and shit like that are the reason I made a pack that can be
played in Peaceful (As far as I know, haven't tested a survival run
yet)
L969[17:47:58] <Chaoschaot234> Need only
BloodMagic for taht
L970[17:48:32] <Renari> How? Blood Magic
nerfed all it's overpowered items.
L971[17:49:24] <Renari> I mean technically
you can 1 shot people if you can get them on your altar but, that
doesn't exactly fit.
L972[17:49:28] <Chaoschaot234> rly? there
was a puppet system in 1.7.10 ... if I am right you must only have
blood from your victem and then feel free to steal his life even if
he has armor on it
L973[17:49:53] <Renari> I'm also not
referring to pvp but pve progression as well.
L974[17:50:05] <Renari> Chaoschaot234,
1.10.2 blood magic is completely different.
L975[17:50:10] <Chaoschaot234> o0
L976[17:50:25] <Renari> You now have
living armor and sentient armor, blood armor is gone.
L977[17:50:33] <Chaoschaot234> not another
mod which has chaned his gameplay ... I hate this
L978[17:51:09] <Chaoschaot234> why can't
moddevs simply port theire mods to a new version without changing
the hole system? that is rly breaking all
L979[17:51:23] <Chaoschaot234> another
point why I am not updating
L980[17:51:53] <Chaoschaot234> I want to
have the mods from 1.7.10 ported yes, but not with such breaking
updates ... simply port them and all is fine
L981[17:52:00] <Renari> I mean if you want
to update and play on an old version of the mod most mods are open
source, feel free to go download the repo and do a direct port
yourself.
L982[17:52:26] <Chaoschaot234> Is an idea
but takes also time
L983[17:53:06] <Renari> Blood Magic begins
by crafting snares now, you throw them at enemies and they get a
debuff.
L984[17:53:19] <Renari> When you kill them
with the debuff they have a chance to drop will.
L985[17:53:38] <Renari> Use demonic will
to craft things in your hellfire forge.
L986[17:53:52] <Renari> The first thing
usually being a sentient sword because then you don't need snares
to get will anymore.
L987[17:54:22] <Renari> Will is basically
like fuel for the hellfire forge (and the sentient gear scales off
of the maximum will you have).
L988[17:54:54] <Renari> Basically that and
the armor changes are what is new.
L989[17:55:22] <Chaoschaot234> ok
L990[17:55:31] <Renari> Living Armor is an
armor that learns. Basically it gets stronger based on what you
do.
L991[17:56:03] <Renari> Get for a ton of
damage often? It will grow and become more defensive, sprint a lot?
It'll give you movement buff etc.
L992[17:56:32] <Chaoschaot234> and what is
with all those rituals? Because in 1.7.10 you could create a ritual
which teleports players away if they entered the safed area if they
are not whitelisted over an bloodorb
L993[17:57:01] <Chaoschaot234> and from
what I know this blockade was only breakable with ars magica
2
L994[17:57:08] <Renari> Rituals still
exist they are different, I'm not 100% sure multiblock rituals
still exist.
L995[17:57:22] <Renari> Most of them are
now used by drawing on the ground with ashes.
L996[17:57:28] <Renari> And then using a
catalyst on the ashes.
L997[17:57:38] <Renari> To get a specific
ritual.
L998[17:57:51] <Renari> They have fancy
animations now.
L999[17:57:53] <Chaoschaot234> o hell no
... the ritualstones are gone away?
L1000[17:58:17] <Renari> There are ritual
stones.
L1001[17:58:23] <Renari> I've just yet to
use them.
L1002[17:58:30] <Renari> Most of the
rituals I've done have been the other type.
L1003[17:58:40] <Renari> I haven't done a
ton of Blood Magic on this server though.
L1004[17:58:52] <Renari> I have a tier 3
altar and a bound blade, that's basically it.
L1005[17:59:49] <Renari> I think ritual
stones are only used for the really high tier rituals.
L1006[18:00:11] <Renari> Stuff like well
of sacrifice.
L1007[18:00:22] <Chaoschaot234> ok
L1008[18:00:37] <Chaoschaot234> As long
as you can be a vampire or a wolf
L1009[18:00:52] <Renari> Can not
confirm.
L1010[18:01:12] <Chaoschaot234> hasn't
had any chance of getting it
L1011[18:03:46] <Chaoschaot234> oh, I see
... vampirism was witchery ... both mods confusing me each time
xD
L1012[18:05:59] <Renari> Ah witchery
wasn't updated.
L1013[18:10:20] <Chaoschaot234> that is
bad :(
L1014[18:10:32] <Chaoschaot234> rly nice
mod
L1015[18:10:38] <Renari> Yeah
L1016[18:10:59] <Chaoschaot234> if it
will be updated in the feature?
L1017[18:11:12] <Renari> I don't know, I
haven't looked into it.
L1018[18:11:30] <Renari> Another mod that
apparently is being updated that a lot of my friends miss is
dimensional doors.
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L1020[18:16:51] <Chaoschaot234> ... ok,
an update of witchery will currently not happen - requests are made
but to be fullfilled the answere from a user was "first find
Emoniph"
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L1023[18:22:04] <Saphire> >makes it
easier without giving a new threat
L1024[18:22:07] <Saphire> ...
L1025[18:22:17] <Chaoschaot234> ?
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L1027[18:23:10] <Saphire> Uh..
L1028[18:24:46] <Saphire> You do realize
there never was much of a threat in Minecraft? Zombies and other
mobs, of you have diamond armor, aren't a threat to you unless you
do stupid things.. and for a long time they were only threat
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L1041[22:01:00] <Chaoschaot234> what lua
cmd can be used to filter all available methods for a connected
Block (e. g. ME-Controller)?
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L1046[22:48:11] <Kodos>
Chaos, in the main shell, do components -l
partialnameofcomponent
<Kodos>
Chaos, in the main shell, do components -l
partialnameofcomponentL1047[22:48:17] <Kodos>
-l is an L
<Kodos>
-l is an LL1048[22:48:29] <Antheus> llama
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L1051[23:01:55] <payonel> kodos: try
`components -l|less`
L1052[23:02:09] <Kodos>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Kodos>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯L1053[23:02:12] <Kodos>
I'm on Planetside atm
<Kodos>
I'm on Planetside atmL1054[23:02:59] <payonel> kodos: oh, you
were answering a question, not asking
L1055[23:03:00] <payonel> Chaoschaot234:
o/
L1056[23:03:03] <payonel> any other
questions?
L1057[23:03:52] <Chaoschaot234> currently
not, Kodos answered my last question ... but wait
L1058[23:04:26] <Chaoschaot234> yes,
there is still the problem that LogisticPipes seems not to be able
to use OC correctlya
L1059[23:04:59] <Chaoschaot234> either
the integration is false or OpenPeripherals destroys it
L1060[23:05:09] <Kodos>
It's LP's fault iirc
<Kodos>
It's LP's fault iircL1061[23:05:17] <Chaoschaot234> Yes it
is
L1062[23:05:49] <Kodos>
And good luck getting them to fix it, th ey insist it's OC's fault
iirc
<Kodos>
And good luck getting them to fix it, th ey insist it's OC's fault
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L1065[23:09:25] <Chaoschaot234> But since
they have changed smth. in there repro on git I can't rly do
anything about it so I'll fork it and will re-upload it in the fork
as branch from the last stable version (where I have sended a PR
from 2015 for another item). My idea is to rewrite the hole
integration but for this I either need some help or a well written
documentation.
L1066[23:10:29] <Chaoschaot234> My
intention is to create a module which should act as the adapter
providing the address so that I must not change the hole pipe/block
and then adding correct methodes to it
L1067[23:10:50] <Chaoschaot234> Should
work in theory or not Kodos?
L1068[23:11:11] <Kodos>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Kodos>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯L1069[23:11:30] <Chaoschaot234> I don't
know why but I like this ASCII :D
L1070[23:12:07] <Chaoschaot234> But it is
late so I'll take a sleep otherwise ... no, I won't think about
what can happen xD - see u later :)
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L1081[23:49:25] <Kodos>
I -really- wish there was a toggle for 3D prints to act like OC
cables
<Kodos>
I -really- wish there was a toggle for 3D prints to act like OC
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