OCLogs: 2017-01-21.log

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L10[03:45:56] <Inari> %tell Vexatos Flamingo~ https://danbooru.donmai.us/data/__original_drawn_by_anmi__c6bfe8d3f73e2e2cc83eaa44fe095a7b.jpg

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L18[05:22:29] <Lizzy> ¬¬_¬¬ ffs windows

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L22[05:55:22] <g> Hey Michiyo / Mimiru, given the 10 speaker limit, what would happen if I added more radios playing the same stream with OpenFM?

L23[05:56:05] <g> that would be in range of the other radio/speakers to cover the whole area

L24[06:15:18] <Inari> Psh speakers limits

L25[06:15:23] <Inari> Whats this, 1965 on a NES?

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L27[06:19:47] <Forecaster> "In theory, theory and practice are the same thing, but in practice..."

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L29[06:32:08] <Inari> Theory and practice are mostly the same thing. Only that you can have a perfect theory, but it can be hard to control all variables to exact parameters in practice

L30[06:32:28] <Inari> Unless of course the theory plainly is wrong

L31[06:32:46] <Inari> Or did faulty assumptions

L32[06:33:22] <Forecaster> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/66864-in-theory-theory-and-practice-are-the-same-in-practice

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L34[06:35:18] <Izaya> Some interesting stats from me doing inventory of my gea

L35[06:35:20] <Izaya> r

L36[06:35:28] <Izaya> I have about 400 blank CDs and 8 WRT54GLs

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L39[07:07:50] <S3> Izaya: heh.

L40[07:08:08] <S3> Izaya: I cleaned out a lot of my stuff and brought it to the dump a few years back

L41[07:08:33] <S3> I found clountless floppy drives and a bunch of my old hard drives.. I found several hard drives that were < 200 MB in size.

L42[07:08:43] <S3> that I used to use

L43[07:09:21] <S3> I threw out a bunch of ISA cards that did things like parallel IO and sound cards, etc

L44[07:11:38] <Izaya> I'm yet to finish putting down my cards

L45[07:11:42] <Izaya> but I have at least 1 ISA card

L46[07:19:44] <S3> I hope it's a 16 bit creative labs sound blaster

L47[07:19:57] <S3> those are probably worth $$$ to the retro community

L48[07:20:34] <S3> 386 machines are getting harder to find now because a lot of people are building machines for their DOS nostalgia again

L49[07:20:50] <S3> particular college nerds with extra finaid probably

L50[07:20:59] <S3> particularly*

L51[07:23:21] <Skye> I wonder if it's possible for someone to make their own 386 motherobard from scratch

L52[07:27:33] <Izaya> S3: I have like 2 Creative SoundBlaster cards

L53[07:27:46] <Izaya> I think at least one is PCI though

L54[07:28:34] <Izaya> speaking of cards

L55[07:28:37] <Izaya> time to start on them

L56[07:29:32] <Izaya> AGP GeForce 4, nice

L57[07:29:35] <Izaya> MX440-8X

L58[07:30:13] <vifino> I still want a PCI-e soundblaster card with a synth. :v

L59[07:30:46] <vifino> All the new cards don't do shit in regards to midi. :V

L60[07:31:22] <Inari> Forecaster: I see now where you heard that quite :P

L61[07:31:23] <Inari> *quote

L62[07:31:32] <Forecaster> :P

L63[07:37:32] <Saphire> gcc, make, cmake or xbuild?

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L65[07:40:26] <S3> none.

L66[07:40:35] <S3> well

L67[07:40:41] <S3> just use make

L68[07:40:51] <S3> don't use autotools

L69[07:41:05] <S3> don't use cmake, xbuild...

L70[07:41:20] <S3> some of the best build systems out there were written 100% in a makefile

L71[07:41:25] <S3> Lua is an example

L72[07:42:00] <S3> also, if you can avoid itl; stop using gcc

L73[07:42:05] <S3> try clang instead.

L74[07:42:39] <S3> clang compiles to llvm tokens, which is a much more portable way of developing systems software

L75[07:43:05] <S3> It also seems to have much better error reporting from my experience, and be a little more strict about some things, which is nice.

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L78[07:43:46] <Saphire> and cmake is not good enough because..?

L79[07:43:56] <S3> cmake is a royal annoyance and pain in the ass

L80[07:44:05] <S3> I absolutely hate dealing with it.

L81[07:44:09] <Saphire> ...how so?

L82[07:44:57] <S3> It's supposed to be more portable, but I've had to fix more people's projects using cmake than I have with make to get them to build on my systems

L83[07:45:49] <S3> also, cmake isn't provided on ev ery system as part of any LSB

L84[07:45:56] <S3> in terms of Linux world

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L86[07:46:46] <S3> It is more reliable to expect GNU Make to be available, and in many cases, a working compiler (except in Ubuntu world because they're retarded)

L87[07:47:07] <S3> so you can expect more people to already have the software necessary to build your project, aside from any extra libraries.

L88[07:47:09] <Saphire> https://github.com/lua/lua/blob/master/makefile heh

L89[07:47:19] <Saphire> "do not edit generated by gcc -MM

L90[07:47:48] <S3> it is

L91[07:48:00] <Izaya> was a song with lyrics containing "Just call me Angel before you leave" in Black Mirror

L92[07:48:02] <Izaya> ?

L93[07:48:56] <S3> There is nothing wrong with using gcc to generate makefiles. It is gnu autotools that is evil

L94[07:50:02] <Izaya> oooooo

L95[07:50:15] <Izaya> "Intel Pro/1000 GT Desktop Adapter

L96[07:50:17] <Izaya> "

L97[07:50:42] <S3> Saphire: in reality, use what you want, but I really like it when things are easy to hack to get them working

L98[07:51:52] <Izaya> I have two motherboards boxes of cards

L99[07:53:03] <Izaya> what other goodies are hiding in here?

L100[07:54:52] <S3> hmmmm

L101[07:55:08] <S3> in lua if I return { a, b, c} I can be like local a, b, c = foo() right?

L102[07:55:24] <S3> I forget if that's how that worked or if you returned multiple values

L103[07:55:51]

<natan12_> return a,b,c

L104[07:56:25]

<natan12_> return a,b,c == local t = foo() local a,b,c = t[1],t[2],t[3]

L105[07:56:33]

<natan12_> {a,b,c} **

L106[07:57:10] <S3> interesting

L107[07:57:13] <Izaya> AGP Voodoo 3...

L108[07:58:22] <Izaya> Fuck I

L109[07:58:28] <Izaya> d kill for a barcode scanner today

L110[08:00:04] <Inari> Vodafone!

L111[08:00:54] <S3> I think this is kinda nice

L112[08:01:42] <S3> so a basic stream you can just put data in and it just sort of comes out to its watchers. but you can cap them with a "terminator"

L113[08:02:12] <S3> whcih protects a stream from being published to by unprivileged subscribers, by giving you a terminator that references that stream which you can't access (without stack manip)

L114[08:02:29] <S3> so you create a stream, you get a stream, and its terminator

L115[08:02:40] <S3> then you just pass out the terminator to people instead of the stream itself

L116[08:02:44] <S3> and theyt don't know the difference

L117[08:03:26] <S3> now I gotta make a bidirectional stream, which is literally two streams wrapped in an enclosure

L118[08:03:32] <S3> but with a two stage router

L119[08:04:01] <Saphire> http://llvm.org/docs/WritingAnLLVMBackend.html looks interesting

L120[08:05:04] <Izaya> Okay, I have a Creative SoundBlaster SB0680

L121[08:05:19] <S3> ooh

L122[08:05:54] <S3> those aren't worth as much

L123[08:05:57] <S3> but they're still nice cards

L124[08:06:07] <S3> soundblaster was nice because they have a built in amplifier.

L125[08:06:15] <Izaya> and an Ensoniq Audio PCI 3000 with a Creative chip on it

L126[08:06:45] <S3> they worked with passive speakers

L127[08:06:50] <S3> I see

L128[08:07:23] <Izaya> AW840 Cobra...

L129[08:09:08] <Saphire> https://github.com/llvm-dcpu16/llvm-dcpu16 O.o

L130[08:09:36] <S3> OMG

L131[08:10:05] <S3> local ISP just introduced a wireless 5gx option for residential

L132[08:10:18] <S3> $79.99/ month 100mbit down, 100mbit up

L133[08:10:50] <Izaya> fuck

L134[08:10:57] <Izaya> unlimited or capped?

L135[08:11:41] <S3> unlimiteed

L136[08:11:53] <Izaya> holy shit

L137[08:11:54] <S3> and I just found out it's 50 mbit down 10 mbit up, you pay more for the 100 / 100

L138[08:12:00] <S3> still not bad!

L139[08:12:01] <Izaya> ah

L140[08:12:05] <Izaya> that makes sense

L141[08:12:18] <Izaya> 100/100 would be worth more than $70 IMO

L142[08:12:20] <S3> it's... looks like its about 150 a month for the 100 100

L143[08:12:28] <Izaya> we paid more than that for 100/10 in Brisbane

L144[08:12:34] <S3> somewhere around that price range

L145[08:12:35] <Izaya> on cable

L146[08:12:51] <S3> with teh 100 / 100 they put an antenna on your roof with line of sight to the tower

L147[08:13:45] <S3> well this company is a local company trying to force local dsl / cable companies to up their bandwidth

L148[08:13:58] <S3> by making them mad

L149[08:13:59] <S3> XD

L150[08:14:11] <Izaya> oh fun

L151[08:15:55] <S3> they can't sue or tell them what to do because they're 100% over the air

L152[08:16:03] <S3> they aren't sharing the poles

L153[08:16:13] <S3> besides using the fiber backbone

L154[08:16:23] <S3> which isn't owned by them

L155[08:16:53] <S3> they're trying to get rid of asymetric bandwidth

L156[08:17:08] <S3> because everyone should have symetric full duplex

L157[08:17:54] <Izaya> Agreed

L158[08:17:59] <Izaya> also fun, found a no-name gigabit card

L159[08:18:06] <S3> ooh

L160[08:18:10] <S3> it's probably a realtek

L161[08:18:13] <S3> or ralink

L162[08:18:19] <S3> what's on the chip?

L163[08:19:16] <Izaya> There's a weird circular N

L164[08:20:13] <Izaya> NE112BYC4DP83861VQM-35

L165[08:20:26] <Izaya> VE112BYC4DP83861VQM-35 *

L166[08:20:47] <Izaya> P/N: E610 rev.NA

L167[08:21:45]

<20kdc> Hmm... *circular N*? Sounds like a conspiracy to bring gigabit to everybody or something!

L168[08:22:32] <S3> you sure its not one of those print servers instead?

L169[08:22:46] <S3> with an rj45

L170[08:23:07] <Izaya> I'm not 100%

L171[08:23:16] <Izaya> but it has a light for Gigabit and a light for Link/Act

L172[08:23:24] <S3> I can't find it heh

L173[08:23:33] <Izaya> neither can I

L174[08:23:38] <Izaya> mystery meat ethernet card

L175[08:23:46] <S3> I also don't recognize the N in the circle

L176[08:23:55] <S3> I dunno what company that could be

L177[08:24:12] <Skye> S3, I want to make a wireless ISP, but in the UK there's actually decent-ish internet

L178[08:24:27] <S3> I know! it's a nintendo switch gbit edition!

L179[08:24:33] <S3> lol..

L180[08:24:46] <S3> Skye: do it anyways?

L181[08:25:07] <Izaya> I'll take a photo of the mystery card

L182[08:25:57] <Skye> S3, I don't hagve the money

L183[08:26:30] <Izaya> phone camera is terrible at this

L184[08:26:39] <Izaya> never mind that then

L185[08:27:06] <Izaya> 128MB FX5200

L186[08:27:23] *** Saphire is now known as Saph

L187[08:27:25] *** Saph is now known as Saphire

L188[08:39:49] <Izaya> https://a.pomf.cat/ebigog.csv

L189[08:42:34] <S3> Izaya: "This file is dangerous, and chrome has blocked it"

L190[08:42:49] <Izaya> ...

L191[08:43:01] <Izaya> it blocked a plain-text file formatted to be used vaguely like a spreadsheet?

L192[08:43:11] <S3> I know right?

L193[08:43:31] <S3> chrome also is giving me no option to let it through

L194[08:43:35] <S3> its like nope its malware

L195[08:43:53] <Izaya> it's a non-Google Docs document

L196[08:43:58] <Izaya> you aren't allowed to see it

L197[08:44:05] <S3> hahaha

L198[08:45:36] <Izaya> oh

L199[08:45:43] <Izaya> I missed two cards hiding in the FX5500 box

L200[08:46:30] <Izaya> a FX5500 and an A6600GT

L201[08:46:37] <S3> Type: USB; Freaks out some USB controllers

L202[08:46:38] <S3> lol lol lol

L203[08:46:59] <Izaya> S3: yeah the interrupts fuck up on anything but Linux and Windows

L204[08:47:04] <Mimiru> g, there isn't a 10 speaker limit anymore, adjust the config

L205[08:47:12] <Izaya> actually it fucked up on Windows and I dunno about Linux because I didn't try

L206[08:47:12] <g> Ah, okay

L207[08:47:46] <S3> wait wat

L208[08:47:48] <Mimiru> as for multiple radios running the same stream... they might not perfectly sync but it shouldn't hurt anything as long as they don't overlap by much

L209[08:47:50] <S3> it's IEEE1394?

L210[08:47:54] <Izaya> COUNTDOWN

L211[08:47:56] <Izaya> yes it has that too

L212[08:48:14] <Izaya> so rage is running 70s and 80s COUNTDOWN episodes

L213[08:48:29] <Izaya> for once I'm happy I turned the TV on

L214[08:48:51] <S3> Izaya: they have TV where you live?

L215[08:48:54] <S3> that's amazing

L216[08:49:05] <S3> they haven't invented TV here yet

L217[08:49:33] <Izaya> yet you can get better internet than me

L218[08:49:58] <S3> Netflix killed TV

L219[08:50:13] <S3> almost nobody has TV anymore

L220[08:50:30] <Izaya> huh

L221[08:50:34] <Izaya> that hasn't happened here yet

L222[08:50:44] <Izaya> because buffering

L223[08:50:51] <Izaya> because most people have 100KB/s down

L224[08:50:54] <Izaya> tops

L225[08:50:57] <S3> wut.

L226[08:51:11] <Izaya> unless you're within 1km of an telephone exchange

L227[08:51:20] <Izaya> in which case you might double that

L228[08:51:24] <Izaya> or if you're really lucky

L229[08:51:26] <Izaya> really

L230[08:51:29] <Izaya> really lucky

L231[08:51:30] <S3> where the hell is this

L232[08:51:37] <Izaya> 2MB/s down

L233[08:51:45] <Izaya> rural australia

L234[08:51:49] <Izaya> well, a rural city in Australia

L235[08:51:50] <S3> oh yeah

L236[08:52:01] <S3> no sattelite?

L237[08:52:07] <Izaya> you can get that

L238[08:52:09] <Izaya> if you want like

L239[08:52:16] <Izaya> 1MB of data for $500 a month

L240[08:52:27] <S3> that's ridiculous

L241[08:52:32] <S3> sattelite is much better here..

L242[08:52:32] <Izaya> mild exaggeration

L243[08:52:40] <Izaya> you can get 3/4G here

L244[08:52:44] <Izaya> fucking fast

L245[08:52:51] <Izaya> but the biggest data plan I've seen is 12GB

L246[08:53:04] <S3> enough for IRC

L247[08:53:17] <Izaya> I can do IRC over dialup if I must

L248[08:53:27] <Izaya> I'd much prefer unlimited 2MB/s

L249[08:53:41] <Izaya> (at 3AM on a monday)

L250[08:53:57] <S3> I have 15/1 right now

L251[08:54:22] <S3> for like 50 a month

L252[08:54:25] <S3> it's kind of a rip off

L253[08:55:39] <S3> hmm. If I switch to the coroutine method for streams, then I can do pull streams..

L254[08:55:41] <Izaya> we pay $100/month for 2MB/300KB unlimited plus unlimited landline phone calls which we never use

L255[08:55:46] <S3> and then all streams will be exactly the same

L256[08:56:23] <Izaya> which is the least bad we could do

L257[08:56:32] <S3> huh

L258[08:56:38] <S3> that's ridiculous

L259[08:56:55] <S3> hothat's $75 here.

L260[08:56:55] <Izaya> that's Australia

L261[08:57:02] <S3> that's $75 here*

L262[08:57:13] <S3> way too much

L263[08:57:17] <Izaya> yup

L264[08:57:32] <S3> lay down that fiber

L265[08:57:47] <Izaya> but Telstra (the owner of the phone network) will charge you $150/month for 150GB and shitty phone calls

L266[08:57:50] <Izaya> hahahahahaha

L267[08:57:52] <Izaya> ha

L268[08:57:53] <Izaya> ha

L269[08:57:59] <Izaya> we're like 300km from the nearest major city

L270[08:58:08] <S3> easy fix

L271[08:58:14] <S3> build a small tower

L272[08:58:24] <Izaya> once the rest of the world is using quantum entanglement for networking we might get fibre

L273[08:58:24] <S3> mount airfiber

L274[08:58:40] <Izaya> and it'll be shitty fibre

L275[08:58:46] <Izaya> no it'll be cable

L276[08:58:49] <S3> no it's not bad

L277[08:58:55] <Izaya> because obviously the best way to do networking is FTTN

L278[08:59:01] <S3> air fiber is a gbit+ wireless link

L279[08:59:01] <Izaya> fucking government

L280[08:59:09] <S3> you just need a friebnd on the other side to aim at

L281[08:59:27] <S3> some businesses here use airfiber to transmit between towns

L282[08:59:34] <S3> but mostly in the flatter side of the US..

L283[08:59:40] <Izaya> S3: did you hear about the National Broadband Network over here?

L284[08:59:42] <S3> Maine is .. very mountainous

L285[08:59:50] <S3> nope

L286[08:59:53] <Izaya> okay so

L287[08:59:58] <Izaya> when it was originally introduced

L288[09:00:06] <Izaya> fibre to 90% of premises

L289[09:00:17] <Izaya> next government comes in

L290[09:00:18] <Izaya> fuck you all

L291[09:00:20] <Izaya> you get FTTN

L292[09:00:28] <Izaya> and then the same shitty copper

L293[09:00:30] <Izaya> to the house

L294[09:00:33] <S3> ...

L295[09:00:35]

<None> Fibre to the... ?

L296[09:00:36] <Izaya> ie still tops of 2MB/s

L297[09:00:40] <Izaya> fibre to the node

L298[09:00:42] <Izaya> ie to the exchange

L299[09:00:46] <S3> hmm

L300[09:00:53] <Izaya> now the issue isn't the connection between exchanges

L301[09:00:54] <S3> copper can be much faster than that

L302[09:00:56] <S3> if they replaced it

L303[09:01:01] <Izaya> hahahahahahaha

L304[09:01:06] <Izaya> never gonna happen

L305[09:01:08] <S3> lol

L306[09:01:13] <S3> Maine is in a very similar situation

L307[09:01:22]

<None> I have FTTH I think

L308[09:01:25] <S3> the coper wiring here in Maine has been there since the 70s

L309[09:01:39] <S3> and it's not rated for data

L310[09:01:50] <Izaya> I'm pretty sure the copper here hasn't been replaced since telephones were introduced

L311[09:01:57] <S3> haha

L312[09:02:00]

<None> But that's probably because I live in an apartment in a large "estate" (building group) in the middle of the city

L313[09:02:29] <S3> Izaya: only because the wiring was only good enough for telegraphs? :P

L314[09:02:43] <S3> maybe you should just use a radio

L315[09:02:54] <Izaya> probably

L316[09:02:59]

<None> IP over semaphore is a thing already... Someone invent IP over morse

L317[09:03:03] <Izaya> but then who do I connect to?

L318[09:03:17] <S3> No idea

L319[09:03:25]

<None> The Illuminati

L320[09:03:29] <S3> you could connect to me, I can give you up to 300 baud

L321[09:03:36] <S3> itl be way faster than what you can get XD

L322[09:03:39]

<None> I can give you 1000

L323[09:03:55] <S3> I don't think I could get 1000 to australia

L324[09:03:57] <S3> MAUBE

L325[09:03:59] <S3> MAYBE*

L326[09:04:08]

<None> The problem is I'll/you'll have to find a radio strong enough to cross the pacific

L327[09:04:12] *** medsouz|offline is now known as medsouz

L328[09:04:15] <S3> do I have the equipment? yes.

L329[09:04:33] <S3> None: I am vice president of my universities Amateur radio club

L330[09:04:38]

<None> Maybe use hawaii as a relay, but even then...

L331[09:04:43] <S3> we have a yagi antenna for HF that is as big as your house.

L332[09:04:51] <S3> we transmitted to the bahamas from maine on 5 watts.

L333[09:04:51]

<None> 300sqft?

L334[09:05:10] <S3> plus we have linear amplifiers and shit all over

L335[09:05:17] <S3> we have the technology!

L336[09:05:26]

<None> Could it cross the pacific though

L337[09:05:37] <S3> yeah. but I don't think I could get 1200 baud that far

L338[09:05:40] <S3> 300 baud yes

L339[09:05:48] <S3> on 30 meter wavelengths

L340[09:06:05]

<None> Do I need special receivers

L341[09:06:38] <S3> not really.. you'd need a decoder for the data, which will probably be in PSK

L342[09:07:06] <Izaya> could I rig up a serial modem?

L343[09:07:17] <Izaya> I guess you'd need to turn the radio stuff into phone signals

L344[09:07:31] <S3> I'm still waiting for vifino to build his antenna

L345[09:07:34] <Izaya> ie like 50V

L346[09:07:36] <S3> we could form a network

L347[09:07:36] <S3> lol

L348[09:07:41] <S3> from germany to australia

L349[09:07:48]

<None> How big would the antenna be

L350[09:07:57] <Izaya> if I went out to the middle of the desert

L351[09:08:01] <S3> well for 30 meters it has to be relatively large

L352[09:08:02] <Izaya> I could build a huge antenna

L353[09:08:06] <Izaya> like

L354[09:08:09] <Izaya> 10 stories if I wanted

L355[09:08:18] <S3> that would be too big

L356[09:08:22]

<None> Any exact figures? Like sqft or m2

L357[09:08:22] <Izaya> not that I have the money or anything

L358[09:08:28] <Skye> sham you can't encrypt data. :p

L359[09:08:38] <Izaya> I'm just saying that in the desert I can build whatever the fuck I want

L360[09:08:56]

<None> I need to figure out how much the land alone would cost

L361[09:08:57] <vifino> S3: Hey, if you get me the equipment, I'll sure as hell set that stuff up, but since I don't have much of a steady income, you'll be waiting a long time.

L362[09:08:59] <Izaya> because it's Australia and you just have to avoid the wildlife and wild people

L363[09:09:15] <Izaya> and preferably avoid Mel Gibson too

L364[09:09:30] * Lizzy wonders if taking her windows hdd out of her laptop and defragging it on another machine will be faster

L365[09:09:33] <S3> this is basically the kind of antenna we have: http://lefars.org.uk/WPblog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/14mhz-yagi-222x300.jpg

L366[09:09:35]

<20kdc> Izaya: isn't Australia kind of, uh... a *literal* "tourist trap"?

L367[09:09:43] <S3> HOW DOES THAT GUY FIT THAT IN HIS VAN?!

L368[09:09:44] <vifino> like, oh man would i LOVE messing with HAM radio stuff, but i can't afford it.

L369[09:09:45]

<None> Just add a node in Hong Kong (where I live) and broadcast capitalist propaganda to China

L370[09:09:46]

<20kdc> In the sense of "Venus fly trap"?

L371[09:09:52] <S3> s/van/car/

L372[09:10:10] <Izaya> 20kdc: well apparently in the rest of the world, ie the uk, they don't have waves in the ocean

L373[09:10:15] <Izaya> more than we have ripples in baths

L374[09:10:23] <Izaya> so that kills at least a few tourists a year

L375[09:10:54] <Izaya> then there's the wildlife

L376[09:10:58] <Izaya> the people

L377[09:11:03] <Izaya> ... that's redundant

L378[09:11:23] <Izaya> the heat depending on the time of year

L379[09:11:25]

<None> Hmm... I can probably fit that in 1 or 2 parking space

L380[09:11:28] <Izaya> the plants on occasion

L381[09:11:35]

<None> *spaces

L382[09:12:01]

<None> Which would cost... 100K US where I live just for the lamd guess?

L383[09:12:03]

<20kdc> Izaya: what next, a thousand clones of Yuno Gasai wandering the place murdering anyone in sight?

L384[09:12:03] <S3> ROFL: http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/Radio/ant-titanex-lp5assembled.jpg

L385[09:12:08] <S3> WHAT THE HELL

L386[09:12:30] <S3> don't mind me while I just sit here beaming radiation at the neighbor

L387[09:12:32] <S3> ...

L388[09:12:46]

<20kdc> maybe it's a receiver?

L389[09:12:50] <S3> no.

L390[09:13:04] <S3> that's an HF Yagi, directional transmitting antenna.

L391[09:13:25] <S3> it basically forms a giant laser beam, similar to a dish

L392[09:13:25]

<20kdc> maybe it's not in use?

L393[09:13:39] <S3> it's not

L394[09:13:42] <S3> but it's still hilarious

L395[09:13:49] <Izaya> 20kdc: nah

L396[09:14:01] <Izaya> just mad max sorta stuff

L397[09:14:06]

<20kdc> S3: *how* high-frequency? Could microwaved neighbors be a thing?

L398[09:14:17] <S3> it it wouldn't hurt them

L399[09:14:18] <Izaya> yuno gasai is nothing compared to a convoy of weaponised vehicles

L400[09:14:29]

<None> I need to set one up in my apartment building

L401[09:14:30] <S3> 20kdc it's non ionized radiation

L402[09:14:36] <S3> even at 1.5 kilowatts it's fine

L403[09:14:37] <Izaya> or a convoy of bogans for that matter

L404[09:14:39] <S3> but

L405[09:14:50] <S3> still heh

L406[09:14:55]

<20kdc> Izaya: so basically, I should stay away from Australia if I want to live.

L407[09:14:57] <Izaya> MORE CARDS

L408[09:15:11] <Izaya> 20kdc: well, depends on your definition of live

L409[09:15:24] <S3> 20kdc it's not like itl give you cancer, but it is possible for the cells in your body to actually burn from high temperature...

L410[09:15:31] <Izaya> oooh oooh oooh

L411[09:15:39] <S3> which also isn't good

L412[09:15:41] <Izaya> Voodoo Banshee 16M

L413[09:16:07] <Izaya> and also a passively cooled 8600GT

L414[09:16:09]

<20kdc> S3: Let's just say someone was deliberately trying to use that thing as a death ray. Would I or would I not want to be avoiding the vicinity?

L415[09:16:15] <S3> yay I hooked up my speakers!

L416[09:16:17]

<None> Super strong radio antenna + High density residential building = ?

L417[09:16:57] <Izaya> once I start setting up again

L418[09:17:04] <Izaya> I'm gonna get out the big speaker system

L419[09:17:10] <Izaya> vaporise my neighbors with sound waves

L420[09:17:18] <Izaya> :D

L421[09:17:39] <Corded> * 20kdc writes down "S3, Izaya" as the list of people with death rays in #oc

L422[09:17:55]

<None> I wish I had a death ray

L423[09:18:31] <S3> None: Yeah.. don't stand in front of an active directional antenna, you can accidently cook yourself

L424[09:18:36] <S3> without even knowing it

L425[09:19:06] <Izaya> 20kdc: My interests are generally more in magnetic and kinetic weapons

L426[09:19:07] <S3> but it's non ionized :D

L427[09:19:08] <Izaya> ie coil guns

L428[09:19:08]

<None> I'm just going to build the antenna horizontally connecting to the block opposite from mine

L429[09:19:10] <Izaya> :D

L430[09:19:22] <Skye> S3, isn't that how someone invented the microwave

L431[09:19:25]

<20kdc> Izaya: "vaporise my neighbors with sound waves"

L432[09:19:27]

<20kdc> that's a deathray

L433[09:19:39] <Izaya> 20kdc, no that's the power of rock

L434[09:19:45] * Izaya laughs manically

L435[09:19:49]

<20kdc> *the power of deathray rock*

L436[09:19:51] * Saphire flails

L437[09:20:02]

<20kdc> does it vaporise neighbors: YES. is it a deathray: YES.

L438[09:20:17] <S3> Skye: yes. that's all a microwave is, non ionized electromagnetic radiation, it's not dangerous, what it does is just cause the molecules to move, which creates heat

L439[09:20:27] <S3> that doesn't mean you should stick your head in a microwave and turn it on

L440[09:20:40]

<None> *pits down "Wherever S3 is from, Australia" on places to never visit along with China

L441[09:20:45]

<None> *puts

L442[09:20:48] <S3> the original microwaves didn't even have a door.

L443[09:21:15] <S3> I will have to say though pressure cookers are way more fun

L444[09:21:46] <S3> however if you really want to burn yourself

L445[09:21:46] * Skye mails Saphire

L446[09:21:59] <S3> it's much more efficient to grab ahold of an active steel tower that has an antenna on it

L447[09:22:43]

<None> Let me visit my local signal station thing that broadcasts TV signals

L448[09:22:52] <S3> you know what's stupid though

L449[09:23:07] <S3> the definition of microwave is messed up

L450[09:23:14] <Saphire> meep?

L451[09:23:28] <S3> a real microwave is just a waveform with a frequency equal to or greater than 1Mhz

L452[09:23:34] <S3> but somehow that got mixed up

L453[09:23:40] <S3> and ended up having its own spectrum, wtf?

L454[09:24:12]

<None> Random question: are radio waves basically just light/sound/whatever

L455[09:24:32]

<None> Or is it its own magical thing

L456[09:24:51] <S3> oh wait

L457[09:25:02] <S3> no I got it wrong, it's 300 tera hertz

L458[09:25:21] <S3> it's infared

L459[09:25:29] <S3> that's quite a bit of energy

L460[09:26:33]

<None> So... Are radio waves basically just light (I'm asking a really stupid question I know)

L461[09:26:55] <S3> yes

L462[09:27:06] <S3> radio waves and light share the same graph

L463[09:27:14] <S3> so

L464[09:27:58] <S3> the higher the frequency, the more and more directional your signal need to become, Colored light is in the terahertz, like somewhere between maybe 400 and 700 terahertz or something

L465[09:28:17] <Izaya> it could also be said that light is radio waves I believe

L466[09:28:24] <S3> right

L467[09:28:26] <S3> however

L468[09:28:37] <S3> light is special because you are dealing with photonic plasma

L469[09:28:57] <Izaya> that physics is beyond me atm though

L470[09:28:57]

<None> Actually, now that I think about it, radio transmissions across the pacific are probably very easy, I mean, they can receive data from the moon / mars / jupiter / whatever

L471[09:28:57] <S3> and radio waves have very low photonic energy

L472[09:28:58] <S3> yes.

L473[09:29:06] <Izaya> it's 0230 and I'm on my second can of energy drink and I've been inventorying for the last 5 hours or so

L474[09:29:14] <DaMachinator> i think a more accurate statement would be that light and radio waves are subclasses of electromagnetic radiation

L475[09:29:18] <S3> None like I said, with our great big giant HF yagi, we were able to transmit to the bahamas with 5 Watts.

L476[09:29:22] <S3> from Maine

L477[09:29:33] <S3> and that was on 20 meters iirc.

L478[09:29:40] <S3> 30 meters is an even lower frequency

L479[09:29:51] <S3> so it doesn't generally take as much power to go that distance.

L480[09:30:03] <S3> radio spectrum goes all the way down to say ELF

L481[09:30:04]

<None> Am I going to be able to do gigabit over it though

L482[09:30:07] <S3> which is what submarines use

L483[09:30:11] <S3> ELF is like 30 Hz

L484[09:30:20] <Izaya> NVIDIA trading card game

L485[09:30:24] <Izaya> collect them all

L486[09:30:25] <S3> and the waveform is physically about 8000 kilometers long

L487[09:30:46]

<None> Hey, my PS4 runs on 30Hz too! (I'm very, very sorry)

L488[09:30:48] <S3> if you want gbit you need a higher frequency to hold the bandwidth

L489[09:31:09] <Izaya> None: does it run Linux yet?

L490[09:31:25]

<None> I watched someone getting gentoo on PS4

L491[09:31:27] <Izaya> you can do Steam and games on Linux on the PS4 now

L492[09:31:32]

<None> *have seen

L493[09:31:37] <Izaya> making it almost not useless

L494[09:31:49] <Izaya> it's still shitty hardware but it's better than nothing I guess

L495[09:32:07]

<None> To be fair consoles are probably better for people who don't want to mess with drivers and all that

L496[09:32:36] <Izaya> They're slowly losing their advantages

L497[09:32:45] <Izaya> You can't stick the disk in and play a game any more

L498[09:32:55]

<None> Installing Windows is about as tedious as installing Arch for me

L499[09:33:00] <Izaya> you have to wait for a download most of the time now anyway

L500[09:33:01] <Izaya> fuck around with accounts

L501[09:33:03] <Izaya> etc etc

L502[09:33:37]

<None> The main reason I like linux is because I don't have to do the drivers thing

L503[09:34:11]

<None> Except for the graphics drivers which has a 90% chance of breaking if you use apt-get

L504[09:36:11] <XDjackieXD> what gpu do you have? xD

L505[09:36:37] <Izaya> hey

L506[09:36:40] <Izaya> guess what I found

L507[09:36:42] <Izaya> MORE CARDS

L508[09:38:26] <vifino> None: So have I. I was there at the talk.

L509[09:41:44]

<None> One of those 960s with 4GB VRAM

L510[09:42:22] <Izaya> any idea how much memory a stock 9800GT has anyone?

L511[09:42:24] <XDjackieXD> the only time my nvidia drivers fucked themselfes when I was still using ubuntu was during every single distupgrade

L512[09:42:51] <XDjackieXD> in Arch I only had problems once because nvidia pushed a broken driver version

L513[09:43:12] <Izaya> gonna go with 512M

L514[09:45:54] <Izaya> why do I have so many 8600GTs

L515[09:45:59] <Izaya> I have like 4 of them

L516[09:46:11] <XDjackieXD> lol

L517[09:46:27] <XDjackieXD> run boinc on them if they support cuda or opencl! :P

L518[09:46:47] <Izaya> I doubt they have either

L519[09:47:42] <S3> asrgh!

L520[09:47:55] <XDjackieXD> the 8600gt does support cuda according to the nvidia page :D

L521[09:48:00] <S3> okay so a one way stream is so easy to think about

L522[09:48:02] <Izaya> in a PSU box I found a floppy drive

L523[09:48:06] <S3> a two way stream is weird.

L524[09:48:35] <S3> I have a couple ways to do this

L525[09:48:45] <S3> the first way is to have a coroutine in every stream do a pull,push

L526[09:48:52] <S3> where it pulls from a buffer and pushes it somewhere.

L527[09:49:19] <S3> the second way is, when a process / service registers a watcher on a stream, it stores it in the service / process itself.

L528[09:49:45] <S3> and the coroutine for that stream is stored there

L529[09:49:53] <S3> nope that won't work

L530[09:50:11] <S3> because that expects only one process to be on each end

L531[09:50:12] <S3> not many

L532[09:50:51] <S3> the downside of the coroutine in the stream itself is, what if a process quits

L533[09:51:00] <S3> and doesn't clean up

L534[09:51:14] <Izaya> I need like

L535[09:51:17] <Izaya> a lot of hooks

L536[09:51:21] <S3> the pushing coroutine will try to run a function that doesn't exist

L537[09:51:27] <Izaya> because I have a lot of cables

L538[09:51:30] <S3> Izaya: lol

L539[09:51:42] <S3> vifino: what should I doooo!

L540[09:52:01] <S3> if I do local foo = bar

L541[09:52:06] <S3> and bar is a function(t) end

L542[09:52:10] <Izaya> S3: I have multiple bags of neatly sorted ethernet cables of different lengths

L543[09:52:13] <S3> then I undefine bar

L544[09:52:14] <Izaya> ranging from 10cm to 10m

L545[09:52:15] <vifino> S3: buy me ham radio stuff along with SAS 2.5" hdds for HP servers

L546[09:52:17] <S3> will foo point to nil?

L547[09:52:32] <S3> or will it still have a type of function that just will break

L548[09:52:36] <Izaya> I have like 500 RCA cables

L549[09:52:45] <Izaya> 20 or so VGA cables

L550[09:52:57] <Izaya> 4 DVI cables

L551[09:52:59] <Izaya> a HDMI cable

L552[09:53:19] <S3> %lua function bar() end local foo = bar bar = nil print(type(foo)

L553[09:53:19] <Izaya> a fair bit of coax

L554[09:53:24] <S3> :(

L555[09:53:36] <S3> oops

L556[09:53:39] <S3> %lua function bar() end local foo = bar bar = nil print(type(foo))

L557[09:53:45] <S3> %lua print(5 + 2)

L558[09:53:52] <S3> broke

L559[09:56:00] <Mimiru> yes |0xDEADBEEF| has been down for quiet awhile...

L560[09:56:10] <Izaya> I dunno where the cable ties arer

L561[09:56:12] <Izaya> \are

L562[09:56:14] <Izaya> fuck

L563[09:56:24] <S3> bad

L564[09:56:25] <Mimiru> I'd see about adding it to MichiBot but I have no idea where to even begin

L565[09:56:29] <S3> foo still points to function

L566[09:56:40] <S3> oh shit

L567[09:56:43] <Lizzy> #lua test

L568[09:56:44] <S3> and foo is still callable

L569[09:56:45] <S3> wtf?

L570[09:56:48] <Lizzy> ##

L571[09:56:54] <S3> how the hell do I handle that..

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L573[09:58:37] <S3> one way is to have processes deregister on quit

L574[09:58:43] <S3> the problem is, what if a process crashes?

L575[10:01:53] <Izaya> who wired this place

L576[10:01:55] <Izaya> what the fuck

L577[10:02:00] <Izaya> ...

L578[10:02:02] <Izaya> wait

L579[10:02:11] <Izaya> curse you, past me

L580[10:03:29] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/aigocf.jpg look at this bs

L581[10:04:22] <Izaya> gonna be so nice to rip all of this up

L582[10:04:23]

<20kdc> Needs more bubbling green glass tubes and pressure dials.

L583[10:04:28]

<20kdc> 8/10.

L584[10:05:14] <S3> so 20kdc

L585[10:05:18] <S3> got any genius ideas?

L586[10:12:54]

<20kdc> S3: I believe coroutine.resume gives some information if a process errors.

L587[10:13:02]

<20kdc> ...Or was it yield?

L588[10:13:56]

<20kdc> > a = coroutine.create(function() error("Out of memory") end)

L589[10:13:59]

<20kdc> > coroutine.resume(a)

L590[10:14:04]

<20kdc> false stdin:1: Out of memory

L591[10:14:16]

<20kdc> So presumably if you kept track of what a process was registering,

L592[10:14:31]

<20kdc> you could deregister it if the coroutine resume gave an error.

L593[10:16:56] <Izaya> oh thank fuck

L594[10:17:07] <Izaya> only two of these boxen have internals

L595[10:17:21] <Izaya> I don't want to document 3 shitboxes

L596[10:17:45] <Izaya> ... I have to anyway because my desktop is still there

L597[10:17:46] <Izaya> argh

L598[10:18:12] <Izaya> that is

L599[10:18:14] <Izaya> my old desktop

L600[10:18:20] <Izaya> Dell Optiplex GX270

L601[10:19:21] <Izaya> oh my fuck

L602[10:19:26] <Izaya> so

L603[10:19:39] <Izaya> I have an extension cable from the loungeroom coming into the computer room

L604[10:19:43] <Izaya> that goes into a power board

L605[10:19:45] <Izaya> from there

L606[10:19:58] <Izaya> there's a power board coming off that that goes to the server rack

L607[10:20:11] <Izaya> there's a power board going to my desktop and monitors and stuff

L608[10:20:24] <Izaya> and there's the laptop-charging power board

L609[10:20:31] <Izaya> what have I done

L610[10:20:36] <Izaya> this is more horrifying than usual

L611[10:21:37] <Izaya> ... this is "usual"

L612[10:21:46] <Izaya> it's been running like this for 2 years

L613[10:23:59]

<20kdc> nah, you need to figure out how to make it circular

L614[10:24:02]

<20kdc> *then* it's horrifying

L615[10:28:39]

<Kodos> https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/5p9c8o/a_tiny_little_sneak_peak_of_my_new_mod/

L616[10:29:53] <S3> 20kdc yes it does, but the stream service of the os kernel does not know what a thread is

L617[10:30:06] <S3> it only spawns streams and provides access to them

L618[10:30:14] <S3> and it itself, is a stream

L619[10:30:28] <S3> a stream that makes streams

L620[10:30:36] <S3> isnt that fucking genius? :D

L621[10:30:56]

<Kodos> Streamception

L622[10:31:22] <S3> Kodos knows what I'm talking about

L623[10:31:30] <S3> 20kdc so I could go for a pull method

L624[10:31:40] <S3> right now a coroutine in each stream pulls from a buffer

L625[10:31:47] <S3> which is fed by streamobj.put()

L626[10:31:54] <S3> and then pushes to callbacks.

L627[10:32:15] <S3> the problem with this model of a stream is that if a callback ceases to truly exist

L628[10:32:19] <S3> it will still run the code in Lua

L629[10:32:31] <S3> a process that doesn't exist anymore will still be in memory somehow.. wtf?

L630[10:32:40] <S3> or weird shit will happen anyways

L631[10:32:42]

<20kdc> yes, because callbacks are objects

L632[10:33:24] <S3> So maybe I should ifn a way to pull from a stream

L633[10:33:44] <S3> there's a limitation here: I don't want every damn process that watches the stream to have their own coroutine puller

L634[10:33:49] <S3> and I also don't want processes to be pulling

L635[10:35:17] <S3> I'd like a way for every stream to not know what a thread is, but somehow be attached to some pulling coroutine that pushes to processes, knowing wether its safe or not

L636[10:35:32] <S3> one extra requirement that makes this hard in my head: services are NOT processes.

L637[10:35:37] <S3> they are just flat segments of code

L638[10:35:52] <S3> there should be no coroutines running in services

L639[10:36:20] <S3> that is why I chose streams to have coroutines in the first place, so that they can actually have the streams do the threading stuff

L640[10:37:08] <S3> and this brings me to another thought, would it be sensible, if everytrhing, INCLUDING PROCESSES were streams.

L641[10:38:29] <S3> and would it help this problem

L642[10:46:25] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/ogrv2

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L645[10:53:55] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/aZp9B

L646[10:54:04] <Inari> "Figure & Gesture drawing" one haha

L647[10:59:11] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/nGRUj What even xD

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L649[11:23:43] <g> Mimiru / Michiyo, do I have to update the config on the client as well?

L650[11:23:51] <g> I set the limit to 100 on the server but I still can't link more

L651[11:24:58] <Inari> Vexatos: flamingo: <

L652[11:25:01] <Inari> ? :<

L653[11:26:24] <Vexatos> ?

L654[11:26:43] <Vexatos> . ___ .

L655[11:26:50] <Inari> :3

L656[11:27:19]

<TYKUHN2> Oh dear

L657[11:27:23] <Inari> Vexatos: They cute!

L658[11:27:25]

<TYKUHN2> These pictures

L659[11:28:15] <Inari> You lack an avatar tykuhn

L660[11:29:55]

<TYKUHN2> Draw me one Mr. Artclass!

L661[11:30:20] <Inari> I'm not in artcalss

L662[11:30:22] <Inari> and I suck at drawing

L663[11:30:31] <Inari> I'm also no Mr.

L664[11:30:38]

<TYKUHN2> Then you don't have much room to talk ?

L665[11:31:06]

<Inari> I have an avatar though

L666[11:31:07]

<Inari> :p

L667[11:33:10]

<TYKUHN2> This is hurting my head.

L668[11:33:51] <S3> 10, 11, 12, 13!

L669[11:33:54] <S3> queues work

L670[11:35:00]

<TYKUHN2> 14 15 16!

L671[11:35:08] <S3> lol

L672[11:35:10]

<TYKUHN2> Can I create an HTTP Queue now?

L673[11:35:19] <Inari> Nope

L674[11:35:22] <S3> well this is for OS streams

L675[11:35:23] <Inari> HTTP only counts to 11

L676[11:35:27] <Inari> 1.0

L677[11:35:28] <Inari> 1.1

L678[11:35:30] <Inari> :3

L679[11:35:35] <S3> LOL

L680[11:35:57] <Inari> Well I guess theres more than tha tnow

L681[11:35:59] <S3> the idea is to build streams on top of queues

L682[11:36:08] <S3> every queue has two functions, put and next()

L683[11:36:44]

<TYKUHN2> Can I build a stream on top of Twitch? ?

L684[11:36:51] <S3> wrong kind of stream

L685[11:36:58] <S3> this is a reactive data stream

L686[11:37:10]

<TYKUHN2> I'm reacting to screen changes? ?

L687[11:39:37]

<TYKUHN2> Inari I could just push an invalid unoffical release of HTTP 1.6 ?

L688[11:39:44]

<TYKUHN2> >:)

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L690[11:41:59] <S3> oooooh

L691[11:42:12] <S3> parenthesisless arguments for functions is not a 5.1 thing

L692[11:44:52]

<TYKUHN2> What?

L693[11:46:27] <S3> YEAH...

L694[11:46:30] <S3> that's okay

L695[11:47:47]

<TYKUHN2> Brachistocrone... I'll remember that.

L696[11:49:08] <Lizzy> oh what the fuck windows....

L697[11:49:16] <Lizzy> none of my usb devices are working

L698[11:49:19] <Lizzy> fs

L699[11:49:35]

<TYKUHN2> Universal System of Breaking?

L700[11:51:21] <fingercomp> https://i.imgur.com/n1aA1aW.png

L701[11:51:30] <fingercomp> that was supposed to be something about robot wars

L702[11:51:41] <fingercomp> but we've changed the idea, so now we don't have any wars

L703[11:51:45] <fingercomp> but we still have some robots

L704[11:52:05] <fingercomp> players set up their robots. During the game, chests with coins are spawned

L705[11:52:29] <fingercomp> robots should grab those coins and drop it at their team chest

L706[11:53:28]

<TYKUHN2> Must scan all the blocks!

L707[11:53:40]

<TYKUHN2> PLease tell me someone designed a robot-thief?

L708[11:54:14] <S3> I now face a new problem

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L710[11:54:19] <fingercomp> there were 4 players who participated the game

L711[11:54:24] <S3> with the new design, streams are based on queues, but quues are driven

L712[11:54:24] <fingercomp> and it turned out to be really fun

L713[11:54:41] <Totoro> yep, it was cool =)

L714[11:54:54] <S3> fingercomp: wat

L715[11:55:09] <fingercomp> uh

L716[11:55:31]

<TYKUHN2> Just hook a pump to the queue >:)

L717[11:57:44]

<TYKUHN2> I'm out of videos to watch. QUICK SOMEONE UPLOAD SOME OC

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L719[12:01:43] <Totoro> made a great use of OpenPeripheral glasses, by the way: http://i.imgur.com/0U4TzCo.png

L720[12:02:38]

<Kodos> Now do it with OpenGlasses

L721[12:03:24]

<TYKUHN2> Oh christ I forgot that was a thing! I'll have to implement security logs onto them

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L723[12:03:33] zsh sets mode: +v on Kodos

L724[12:03:45]

<TYKUHN2> *message appears on screen* Unidentified individual climbing west wall

L725[12:04:06]

<TYKUHN2> I mean I do have to implement anti-air afterall

L726[12:04:12] <fingercomp> OpenGlasses is a pain to use for me, and it can't capture clicks on objects

L727[12:04:44]

<Kodos> I still want TOB's comms towers in OC

L728[12:04:56] <Totoro> also, OpenGlasses glasses cannot be combined with a helm

L729[12:05:19]

<TYKUHN2> OpenComptuers has Radar right?

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L731[12:05:54]

<Kodos> It has a motion sensor

L732[12:05:59]

<Kodos> Computronics has Radar

L733[12:06:25]

<TYKUHN2> I'll download that then

L734[12:09:02]

<TYKUHN2> ICBM is the only one with automated AA no?

L735[12:10:02]

<Kodos> Is that even a thing yet? Last I tried it, it was unfinished

L736[12:10:22]

<TYKUHN2> Last updated this year

L737[12:10:39]

<Kodos> Well, I know the 'old' ICBM did

L738[12:10:55]

<Kodos> I don't know if DT ported it over

L739[12:11:08]

<Kodos> Or if that was one of the things Dark had a fit about

L740[12:12:08]

<TYKUHN2> Looks like the new one doesn't contain AA

L741[12:12:17]

<Kodos> I'd check DefenseTech

L742[12:12:21]

<Kodos> It requires Mekanism I think tho

L743[12:12:24]

<Kodos> So up to you

L744[12:12:25]

<Kodos> But it may

L745[12:13:30]

<TYKUHN2> I was actually tempted to add Mekanism anyways

L746[12:13:45]

<TYKUHN2> Whole point is I have Flans Mod

L747[12:14:17]

<Kodos> Ew

L748[12:14:19]

<Kodos> Why not MCHeli?

L749[12:14:30]

<TYKUHN2> I have MCHeli as well

L750[12:14:47]

<TYKUHN2> I needed guns from Flans and added some more smaller civilian planes

L751[12:14:57]

<TYKUHN2> MCHeli will probably make up the bulk of the aircraft

L752[12:15:05]

<TYKUHN2> Point still stands

L753[12:15:27]

<TYKUHN2> Uhh defensetech is basically ICBM ?

L754[12:15:45]

<Kodos> Yes, minus some bits that were the basis of a heated debate between DG and ACb

L755[12:16:45]

<TYKUHN2> DefenseTech is still developed? Because it links to the new ICBM mod

L756[12:16:54]

<Kodos> ICBM Classic?

L757[12:17:12]

<TYKUHN2> From BuiltBroken

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L759[12:17:35]

<Kodos> Ah, then aidan must've stopped development and just started linking to BBM's one

L760[12:18:14]

<TYKUHN2> Issue is it has no documentation

L761[12:18:33]

<TYKUHN2> Neither of them do

L762[12:18:34]

<Kodos> Indeed

L763[12:19:00]

<TYKUHN2> Also about Computronics, it seems to have a lot of fluff I don't want

L764[12:19:05] <Forecaster> what if the documentation was inside you all along

L765[12:19:05]

<Kodos> Such as?

L766[12:19:34]

<Kodos> I'd recommend keeping Computronics, there's a lot of stuff it provides behind the scenes wrt mod-computer interaction

L767[12:19:48]

<Kodos> It also has some decent rack mountables ;-D

L768[12:20:23]

<TYKUHN2> Does it remove blocks not needed such as EEPROM Reader? I don't have Nedo

L769[12:20:36]

<Kodos> EEPROM reader?

L770[12:20:40]

<Kodos> Is that new, Vex?

L771[12:20:52]

<TYKUHN2> Reads NedoComputer's EEPs

L772[12:21:12]

<Kodos> And you're sure it's from Computronics?

L773[12:21:17]

<TYKUHN2> I'll get it and maybe ban some blocks but I guess I need the radar

L774[12:21:26]

<TYKUHN2> http://wiki.vex.tty.sh/wiki:computronics:eeprom_reader

L775[12:21:42] <Totoro> and when Sangar was here last time?

L776[12:21:53]

<Kodos> That links to nothing

L777[12:21:56] <Forecaster> %seen Sangar

L778[12:21:56] <MichiBot> Sangar was last seen 24d 19h 15m 14s ago.

L779[12:22:05]

<TYKUHN2> It's not documented but it's on the wiki

L780[12:22:24] <Totoro> a loooong time ago

L781[12:22:31] <Totoro> Forecaster: thanks =)

L782[12:22:39] <Forecaster> I have computronics, I don't have an eeprom reader

L783[12:22:41]

<Kodos> I don't see it in my creative tab, so it likely only registers when Nedo is present

L784[12:22:47]

<TYKUHN2> K

L785[12:23:13]

<TYKUHN2> I was wondering why RSA cipher was a thing. Just remembered that data only supports sigs.

L786[12:23:20]

<Kodos> But honestly, the tape stuff, Radar, Chat, Railcraft, and Rack stuff alone makes 'Tronics worth it

L787[12:23:25]

<Kodos> Let alone the Cipher stuf

L788[12:23:41]

<Kodos> Nevermind things like the camera and colorful lamp

L789[12:24:15]

<Kodos> Not to mention http://wiki.vex.tty.sh/wiki:computronics#blocks_from_other_mods

L790[12:24:46]

<TYKUHN2> Is DefenseTech being updated or is it actually abandoned? There's no "Last Updated"

L791[12:25:09]

<Kodos> Let's put it this way

L792[12:25:14]

<Kodos> Aidan updates DefenseTech

L793[12:25:20]

<Kodos> And I haven't seen him all year ;-D

L794[12:25:46]

<TYKUHN2> Is it safer to go BBM or Defense is what I'm asking.

L795[12:26:13]

<Kodos> BBM, probably, but it's still indev, so keep that in mind.

L796[12:26:25]

<Kodos> You'd have to ask Dark if it's far enough along for general consumption

L797[12:26:28]

<TYKUHN2> Both need Mekanism no?

L798[12:26:33]

<Kodos> BBM doesn't, iirc

L799[12:26:38]

<Kodos> But it does have other deps

L800[12:26:51]

<Kodos> Voltz Engine is one of them.... I'd have sworn there was another, but I'm not sure

L801[12:27:00]

<Kodos> Curse should have deps listed

L802[12:27:04] <S3> ok guys

L803[12:27:07] <S3> I'm blind

L804[12:27:11]

<TYKUHN2> Requires Voltz

L805[12:27:20] <S3> anyone wanna tell me why I get thread printed when I hit run ? https://repl.it/FQZy/87

L806[12:27:47]

<Kodos> Nothing's there

L807[12:28:08] <S3> wut

L808[12:28:14] <Forecaster> I see it

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L810[12:28:31] <Forecaster> @Kodos: do you have noscript or something?

L811[12:28:44] <S3> repl.it is kinda cool

L812[12:28:46] <Kodos> I use a couple adblockers, they might be screwing with it

L813[12:28:48] <Kodos> http://puu.sh/tuCcr/360ecc82e0.png

L814[12:29:04] <S3> I'm just trying to get it to print Hello, World

L815[12:29:12] <Forecaster> I have a single adblocker and it works fine :P

L816[12:29:29] <S3> the idea here is that for my OS processes are just queue streams

L817[12:29:34] <S3> so I'm just testing that idea

L818[12:29:55] <Forecaster> weird, no idea

L819[12:31:47] <S3> this might be very fun because, in a process, if you're not creating a stream, you request it from the os, and it gives you a "terminal" that isn't the stream but is connected to it

L820[12:31:48]

<TYKUHN2> p1.next() is supposed to run queue.next right?

L821[12:31:56] <S3> (that part isnt implemented yet)

L822[12:32:04] <S3> TYKUHN2: No.

L823[12:32:17]

<TYKUHN2> Becuase proccess is a queue and you return process from create_process

L824[12:32:18] <S3> create_process overloads next() to handle stream callbacks.

L825[12:32:32]

<TYKUHN2> Oh I see

L826[12:32:35] <S3> soyeah

L827[12:32:35]

<TYKUHN2> I'll continue

L828[12:32:44] <S3> if that makes sense anyways

L829[12:32:57]

<TYKUHN2> Sorry I went step by step ignoring internal functions so I didn't notice that

L830[12:33:10] <S3> next() in a process will eventuall return coroutine status

L831[12:33:21] <S3> so that the process scheduler can handle it

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L833[12:33:38] <S3> other than that a process is just a queue yes

L834[12:33:49]

<TYKUHN2> Weird it should have no output

L835[12:34:29]

<TYKUHN2> process.next() doesn't have a return and it's the last thing ran

L836[12:34:36] <S3> right...

L837[12:34:58] <S3> I wonder if it would do the same on 5.2 or 5.3...

L838[12:35:28]

<TYKUHN2> p1.next is definately cuasing the output

L839[12:35:50]

<TYKUHN2> And it's definately inside p1.next

L840[12:35:53] <S3> WHAT THE

L841[12:36:01] <S3> http://ideone.com/vcfnTD

L842[12:36:07] <S3> it's repl.it

L843[12:36:09] <S3> ideone works..

L844[12:36:18] <S3> I was trying to debug that for like 25 mins LOL

L845[12:36:18]

<TYKUHN2> Yeah I just found it

L846[12:36:22] <S3> wtf

L847[12:36:32]

<TYKUHN2> coroutine.resume(co) outputs to terminal in repl.it

L848[12:36:39] <S3> haha

L849[12:36:40]

<TYKUHN2> Commenting it out removes it

L850[12:36:41] <S3> weird.

L851[12:36:46] <S3> well hello world printed

L852[12:36:50] <S3> on ideone that is

L853[12:37:04] <S3> so I am glad, I think this will be a great foundation for an OS

L854[12:37:18]

<TYKUHN2> No no I found it

L855[12:37:20] <S3> everything will be a stream, which are just overpowered queues

L856[12:37:25]

<TYKUHN2> repl.it doesn't handle different threads printing correctly

L857[12:37:34]

<TYKUHN2> Removing the print operation fixes it

L858[12:37:41] <S3> ...

L859[12:37:46]

<TYKUHN2> Removing anything else has no effect

L860[12:37:55] <S3> in print hello world?

L861[12:38:06]

<TYKUHN2> In the loadstring yeah

L862[12:38:09] <S3> LOL

L863[12:38:23]

<TYKUHN2> That's an error and a half

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L865[12:38:36] <S3> well then I will continue editing in ideone for now

L866[12:38:42] <S3> and then port it to OC

L867[12:38:42]

<TYKUHN2> Not a bad idea

L868[12:38:46] <S3> (which shouldn't take much)

L869[12:39:31] <S3> O changed it so that next() returns coroutine.status(co)

L870[12:39:36] <S3> which makes sense to me at least

L871[12:39:56] <S3> I*

L872[12:40:04]

<TYKUHN2> I suppose

L873[12:40:13]

<TYKUHN2> So you don't try to resume dead threads

L874[12:40:29] <S3> well the process manager will check that

L875[12:40:34] <S3> the one that contains these processes

L876[12:40:36]

<TYKUHN2> if dead then thing.next = function() return nil end

L877[12:40:47]

<TYKUHN2> ?

L878[12:41:05]

<TYKUHN2> gc will glide in and remove the old clunky function ?

L879[12:41:05] <S3> why would I do that if I can just set p1 to nil?

L880[12:41:23] <S3> is gc smart enough to fix all that if I just set p1 to nil?

L881[12:41:30]

<TYKUHN2> That way badly designed code won't crash is it attempts to call.

L882[12:41:55] <S3> fortunately only the process scheduler will be able to call next

L883[12:42:08]

<TYKUHN2> I think so. My guess is GC will go "Oh p1 is nil so this queue isn't referenced so this function isn't and this buffer isn't etc..."

L884[12:42:30]

<TYKUHN2> Atleast I'd make a gc like that ?

L885[12:42:37] <S3> heh

L886[12:43:02]

<TYKUHN2> Or if you test it and it saves ram, make a single function that takes the process as an argument and use colon calling.

L887[12:43:15]

<TYKUHN2> Won't be removed as it's shared by all processes.

L888[12:43:49] <Corded> * TYKUHN2 <--- not actually sure how Lua handles that, might conserve 0 RAM

L889[12:43:57] <S3> lol

L890[12:44:11]

<TYKUHN2> Depends how upvalues are handled I suppose.

L891[12:46:56] <S3> if I do this right, I can set up a watcher for a queue stream like

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L893[12:48:28] <S3> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ptJSmdAi/

L894[12:48:38] <S3> this would be very useful for socket IO

L895[12:48:57] <S3> however, there are also temporary watchers for things like file IO

L896[12:49:43]

<TYKUHN2> How to kill a docile pig: Summon Zeus to glass everything Halo Style

L897[12:49:52] <S3> for example, read() calls put() on some stream terminal through the VFS, but it passes a wait argument, which causes the process to sit and wait until it gets a reply

L898[12:50:22] <S3> it will timeout, of course if it can

L899[12:50:25]

<TYKUHN2> What if it doesn't want to sit? What if it can't find a chair? ?

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L901[12:50:35] <S3> then you register a watcher

L902[12:50:39] <S3> like i did above

L903[12:50:45]

<20kdc> or it will use the nearest flamingo

L904[12:50:53]

<20kdc> there's an infinite supply behind you, down two flights of stairs.

L905[12:51:20] <S3> with sockets, you can use read() as normal, but you would probably prefer a watcher that calls some callback

L906[12:51:27] <S3> so you don't even have to read()

L907[12:51:39] <S3> this makes making background network services easy in OC

L908[12:51:55]

<TYKUHN2> How are you going to implement network protocols?

L909[12:52:05]

<TYKUHN2> As a network service?

L910[12:52:17] <S3> services. this is a microkernel

L911[12:52:21] <S3> so all drivers, etc are all services

L912[12:52:28] <S3> services are not processes though

L913[12:52:30]

<20kdc> S3: where can I get this microkernel? sounds fun

L914[12:52:34] <S3> they don't run periodically

L915[12:52:38] <S3> they are just collections of code

L916[12:52:49]

<TYKUHN2> You can get this microkernel from the corn section

L917[12:52:55]

<20kdc> ah, understood

L918[12:52:57] <S3> 20kdc you saw what I have for this write a bit ago

L919[12:53:04]

<TYKUHN2> It's under "Baby's First Corn"

L920[12:53:25] <S3> 20kdc for my current write up of this os, this is all it is so far: http://ideone.com/vcfnTD

L921[12:53:26] <S3> not much

L922[12:53:35] <S3> I'm writing the scheduler now

L923[12:54:25] <S3> but yeah services are just chunks of loaded code that can be callbacked into, there is a bottleneck where streams connect through to speak with services indirectly, this is to prevent you from talking to an unloaded service.

L924[12:55:26]

<TYKUHN2> I am reading the ICBM wiki, I can have a "football"

L925[12:57:02]

<20kdc> S3: How are things like timing handled?

L926[12:57:19]

<20kdc> At some point, something needs to actually kick an event into place to start the system.

L927[12:57:20] <Mimiru> g, I'm not really sure :D

L928[12:57:27] <gamax92> nothing says 'I love you' from a cat better then leaving dead mice in front of your door ...

L929[12:57:46]

<TYKUHN2> gamax it feels bad what did you do to it?

L930[12:57:59]

<20kdc> gamax92: *adding to list of potential dating tactics*...

L931[12:58:08] <Mimiru> gamax92, actually, it says "You're a bad hunter, here let me feed you"

L932[12:58:10] <Mimiru> :P

L933[12:58:12]

<20kdc> ...wait, ambiguity resolved, reverting that.

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L935[12:58:45] <g> I guess I'll try it then

L936[12:58:45] <g> xD

L937[12:58:57] <Mimiru> I'm not even 100% sure it works :D

L938[13:00:09] <g> it does not

L939[13:00:10] <g> xD

L940[13:00:22] <g> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2017/January/java_2017-01-21_19-00-19.png

L941[13:00:32] <g> was this a recent change?

L942[13:00:41] <g> wait nah, that wouldn't make sense, it's in my config

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L944[13:01:52] <S3> 10 is more than enough..

L945[13:01:58] <S3> Guys

L946[13:01:59] <S3> I have 2

L947[13:02:00] <g> that's what you'd think isn't it

L948[13:02:03] <g> but it's not

L949[13:02:04] <g> xD

L950[13:02:06] <S3> I have 2 speakers

L951[13:02:14] <S3> and that is more than anyone here could probably ever handle

L952[13:02:20] <g> I'm covering an entire settlement

L953[13:02:29] <g> there's 3 people living there

L954[13:02:29] <g> lol

L955[13:02:30] <S3> I could cover more than that

L956[13:02:34] <S3> hold on ill brb ill take a photo

L957[13:02:53]

<TYKUHN2> " Great for those specific three-block areas that you just can't stand. For example, your friend's house."

L958[13:03:06] <g> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2017/January/java_2017-01-21_19-03-00.png

L959[13:03:09] <g> this is the area I'm covering

L960[13:03:15] <g> note that there's a mine that goes down to y=9

L961[13:05:37] <Mimiru> g, that message is handled in the lang file, and I didn't change that

L962[13:05:38]

<TYKUHN2> Absolute pricks: "This missile will teleport blocks to a random location rather than destroying them. Great for "misplacing" a friend's chest."

L963[13:05:49] <g> Mimiru, it doesn't link the speaker anyway

L964[13:06:00] <Mimiru> MC ver?

L965[13:06:03] <g> 1.10.2

L966[13:06:33] <S3> I DONT HAVE ANY BANANAS FOR SCALE!

L967[13:06:42] <g> who needs bananas

L968[13:06:42] <g> :>

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L970[13:07:50] <S3> http://imgur.com/a/bZYdL

L971[13:07:52] <S3> I do

L972[13:07:53] <S3> for scale

L973[13:07:57] <S3> there.

L974[13:08:11]

<TYKUHN2> One question

L975[13:08:13] <S3> my speakers. I have two of them, and they are good enough for the whole town

L976[13:08:17] <g> that was a bad pun

L977[13:08:17] <g> lol

L978[13:08:29] <Mimiru> Shit...

L979[13:08:32] <Mimiru> I missed a fucking change

L980[13:08:40] <g> Wew, cherry pick'n

L981[13:08:52] <S3> TYKUHN2 what question?

L982[13:09:10]

<TYKUHN2> If you are playing with a firebomb missile, is it playing with fire or missiles?

L983[13:09:16] <S3> ...

L984[13:09:23] <S3> oh it had nothing to do with those speakers lol

L985[13:09:32] <S3> those speakers are massive, and I can fit inside of them

L986[13:10:12] <S3> for better scale, compare to the doorway: http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=48677&stc=1&d=1290519828

L987[13:10:36] <Skye> My dad has speakers he had to put away

L988[13:10:36] <Mimiru> time to kick off 3 OFM builds...

L989[13:10:47]

<20kdc> those look like the kind of speakers you'd use if you knew the world was about to end

L990[13:10:53]

<20kdc> and you had to play one song

L991[13:11:00] <S3> LOL

L992[13:11:03] <Skye> becaus ethe speakers were too loud.

L993[13:11:05]

<TYKUHN2> TUrn the speakers on. Wonder if I'll hear them.

L994[13:11:25] <S3> I do have neighbors...

L995[13:11:32]

<20kdc> maybe play that French music from Inception

L996[13:11:36]

<20kdc> at maximum

L997[13:11:38] <g> thanks Mimiru \o/

L998[13:11:55]

<20kdc> ...just make sure to wait until the announcement's made that Trump's firing the missiles, then nobody will blame you for it.

L999[13:11:55]

<TYKUHN2> Just besure you have ear protection

L1000[13:11:58] <S3> it's too cold to play them right now anyways

L1001[13:12:03]

<TYKUHN2> So that you only suffer major ear damage

L1002[13:12:30] <Mimiru> 1.8, and 1.9 are built...

L1003[13:12:30] <gamax92> tbh if I lost my hearing I'd rather die

L1004[13:12:35] <Mimiru> 1.7 is hung \o/

L1005[13:12:47]

<TYKUHN2> Wonderful

L1006[13:12:49] <g> How are you supporting so many versions?

L1007[13:12:54] <g> people keep complaining about how hard that is

L1008[13:12:55]

<TYKUHN2> Adfly sent me to a webpage that is difficult to escape from

L1009[13:13:03] * Mimiru shrugs

L1010[13:13:09] <Mimiru> I don't mind doing it..

L1011[13:13:21] <g> well, sure, but did you make the workflow easy, or..?

L1012[13:13:37]

<TYKUHN2> "Critical alert from Microsoft"

L1013[13:13:43] * Mimiru shrugs

L1014[13:13:51] <g> lol, okay then

L1015[13:13:51]

<TYKUHN2> Mimiru has monkeys

L1016[13:13:58] <g> honestly I can't wrap my head around the stuff you modders do

L1017[13:14:07] <g> and I have an oracle certification

L1018[13:14:10] <g> so, gg

L1019[13:14:10] <Mimiru> Theres nothing special.. I just replicate the changes across all the supported versions

L1020[13:14:31]

<TYKUHN2> So you have an abstraction layer where needed?

L1021[13:14:35] <Mimiru> yay 1.7 built

L1022[13:14:38] <Mimiru> no

L1023[13:15:56]

<TYKUHN2> Huh

L1024[13:16:03]

<TYKUHN2> Is adfly really that easy to bypass?

L1025[13:16:08] <g> just outright maintaining separate versions I guess

L1026[13:16:09] <g> yes it is

L1027[13:16:16] <g> I use an extension

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L1031[13:17:02] <S3> I would hope so

L1032[13:17:04] <Mimiru> Yeah... I'm too dumb to have an abstraction layer... I'm sure it'd be handy...

L1033[13:17:09] <S3> people who actually use adfly need to grow uop

L1034[13:17:11] <S3> up*

L1035[13:17:22] <S3> there's no damn reason for it

L1036[13:17:24]

<20kdc> g: one way to support multiple versions of Minecraft is to practice the art of Not Invented Here

L1037[13:17:25] <g> you would also need to figure out how to compile against like 5 versions of forge Mimiru

L1038[13:17:35] <g> yeah let's not do that

L1039[13:17:36] <g> xD

L1040[13:17:45] <gamax92> it's 5 different versions of the mod ...

L1041[13:17:54] <gamax92> all in their own branches

L1042[13:17:58]

<TYKUHN2> Quick question: Why is the skip ad button taking me to scam sites?

L1043[13:18:08] <g> because adfly is shit

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L1045[13:18:51]

<20kdc> g: What's wrong with not invented here? It's great when dealing with dependency hell: no dependencies, no hell! ?

L1046[13:18:57]

<TYKUHN2> I do have a WAC script for some reason installed I cannot remove that is forcing me to proxy over a advertising proxy

L1047[13:19:01] <g> you have to deal with a different kind of hell

L1048[13:19:03] <g> reinventing the wheel

L1049[13:19:04] <g> xD

L1050[13:19:17]

<20kdc> g: that sounds *fun*!

L1051[13:19:28] <g> if your time is worthless, sure!

L1052[13:19:43]

<TYKUHN2> Copy the changes over different branches of different abstractions?

L1053[13:20:15]

<TYKUHN2> You can do that automagically and then build automagically ?

L1054[13:20:30] <g> you have to update the abstraction for every version when you need something new, though

L1055[13:20:42] <g> it's probably going to be slightly more work if you do that

L1056[13:20:42] <g> lol

L1057[13:20:52]

<TYKUHN2> But wouldn't you have to do that regardless? ?

L1058[13:21:03] <g> well yeah, but then why write the abstraction?

L1059[13:21:45]

<TYKUHN2> Prevent differences in the different MC versions of impacting how you write

L1060[13:22:37] <Mimiru> one day I'll try to figure out how to get the turret and keypad working in 1.8+

L1061[13:22:39] <Mimiru> :(

L1062[13:22:44]

<TYKUHN2> You can just have one version that is "base" without a layer where other versions focus on emulating base.

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L1064[13:22:55]

<TYKUHN2> Mimiru what addon?

L1065[13:22:59]

<20kdc> you do realize that this has already been tried, right

L1066[13:23:01]

<20kdc> it was called "NOVA"

L1067[13:23:07] <Mimiru> OpenSecurity

L1068[13:23:08] <gamax92> rendering changes in MC don't exactly help this.

L1069[13:23:17]

<20kdc> Anyone heard of NOVA?

L1070[13:23:25]

<TYKUHN2> I added OpenSecurity today

L1071[13:23:36]

<TYKUHN2> Should I update already?

L1072[13:23:45] <Mimiru> I love OpenSec... but the rendering shit in 1.8+ sucks.

L1073[13:24:01]

<TYKUHN2> Also Mimiru... get out of that chair and DOCUMENT!

L1074[13:24:12]

<TYKUHN2> Jesus

L1075[13:24:14] <Mimiru> I use the tesselator a lot on the key pad, and I have NO IDEA how to even start on the turret

L1076[13:24:19]

<20kdc> ...ok, put your hand up *if* you've heard of NOVA. Even from that *one time* it was mentioned in, like, 2015 or something.

L1077[13:24:22] <Mimiru> theres a wiki, and most of it is there.

L1078[13:24:54]

<TYKUHN2> Oh no wait that was Computronics that needs documenting

L1079[13:25:00]

<TYKUHN2> Shhh I said nothing

L1080[13:25:22] <Mimiru> computronics has a OC Manual tab...

L1081[13:25:25] <Mimiru> I've never read it

L1082[13:25:27] <Mimiru> but it exists.

L1083[13:26:46]

<TYKUHN2> Computronics has atleast a 50% non-existance rating for it's wiki

L1084[13:27:24]

<TYKUHN2> What's the Computronics Radar range vs OpenSecurity entity detector range?

L1085[13:27:46] <Mimiru> entity detector can go to 64 (32) each direction

L1086[13:27:49] <Mimiru> no idea about the radar

L1087[13:29:18]

<TYKUHN2> Looks variable for radar based on supplied power

L1088[13:29:41]

<TYKUHN2> Although it doesn't supply X, Y, Z I think so uhh... yeah taking that one

L1089[13:30:02]

<TYKUHN2> Also spoofing card. Removes 40% of my issues with OC.

L1090[13:30:30]

<TYKUHN2> Over 60% is generally also networking

L1091[13:30:33]

<TYKUHN2> other*

L1092[13:31:00]

<TYKUHN2> Actually I take that back, 20% is security

L1093[13:32:41]

<TYKUHN2> Tempted... enable_bytecode... must resist...

L1094[13:34:06]

<20kdc> if you enable that option, you may be eaten by a grue.

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L1096[13:34:58]

<TYKUHN2> I assume bytecode is dangerous because upvalue functions are a thing?

L1097[13:35:04]

<TYKUHN2> What am I missing?

L1098[13:35:46]

<20kdc> Bytecode is dangerous because Lua's bytecode loader isn't very security-hardened, IIRC.

L1099[13:36:09]

<TYKUHN2> I want to know exploits ?

L1100[13:36:13] <gamax92> well the thing that runs bytecode usually has all of it's checks disabled for speed

L1101[13:36:34] <gamax92> the lua compiler doesn't generate malformed bytecode so the checks doesn't really matter there

L1102[13:37:01] <gamax92> but, you are always easilly capable of loading something into a register and then using the wrong opcode to access it, like trying to access table stuff where there's a string there

L1103[13:37:18]

<TYKUHN2> Fun

L1104[13:37:27]

<20kdc> gamax92: Shouldn't that throw an error?

L1105[13:37:36] <gamax92> no because the checks are disabled for speed

L1106[13:38:03]

<20kdc> So, does the Lua bytecode compiler add in additional checks in cases like ("blahblah")[123]?

L1107[13:38:39]

<TYKUHN2> So bytecode is assumes valid? That's evil!

L1108[13:38:51] <gamax92> @20kdc it's possible that I'm wrong :P

L1109[13:39:12] <gamax92> @TYKUHN2 lua used to have a bytecode verifier but it was dropped in 5.2

L1110[13:39:23] <gamax92> not that it was effective, people got around it all the time

L1111[13:39:55]

<TYKUHN2> What's the point of disabling Userdata? That really affects nothing but built-in components.

L1112[13:40:09]

<20kdc> Userdata causes serialization issues, IIRC

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L1114[13:45:30]

<TYKUHN2> Tempted to disable HTTP and allow TCP.

L1115[13:45:38] <Vexatos> Forecaster, https://redd.it/5paxqn :⁾

L1116[13:45:49]

<TYKUHN2> Seeing has how none of my friends are programers, if they figure that part out they would be so confused converting TCP to HTTP

L1117[13:46:32]

<TYKUHN2> Vexatos that's cheating! Use OC!

L1118[13:46:48] <Vexatos> Pretty much+

L1119[13:48:57]

<TYKUHN2> HideOwnSpecial cape?

L1120[13:49:15] <Vexatos> what?

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L1125[13:52:52]

<TYKUHN2> IDK. Aracnophobia

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L1129[14:04:55]

<TYKUHN2> Totally didn't use FTB just so I didn't have to manually remember mods, Totally didn't disable atleast 50% of the original modpack...

L1130[14:05:28]

<TYKUHN2> "How did they discover that ore? They would have had to fall in the volcano... THEY DID FALL INTO THE VOLCANO

L1131[14:10:05]

<Kodos> What are you even on about

L1132[14:10:39]

<TYKUHN2> A livestream of Dwarf Fortress

L1133[14:11:22] <Forecaster> boo computercraft

L1134[14:12:14] <gamax92> hack the wolf

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L1143[14:28:31]

<TYKUHN2> Engage maniacal laughing

L1144[14:29:14] <Forecaster> Throw new NotEnoughAirException()

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L1151[14:57:35]

<TYKUHN2> Throw new KidsStillAliveException()

L1152[14:58:11]

<TYKUHN2> I can't believe he failed that mission! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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L1163[15:55:15] <TangentDelta> I'm kind of annoyed by the slowness of the charger :(

L1164[15:55:35] <LuMistry> Greetings

L1165[15:55:52] <TangentDelta> Hi.

L1166[15:56:03] <LuMistry> How are you TangentDelta?

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L1168[15:56:09] <TangentDelta> Good. You?

L1169[15:56:19] <LuMistry> I am well

L1170[16:00:25] <CompanionCube> LuMistry: nice to see you

L1171[16:00:36] <LuMistry> CompanionCube: nice to see you too

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L1173[16:11:28]

<TYKUHN2> Dang charger (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

L1174[16:11:32]

<TYKUHN2> Atleast it charges ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

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L1176[16:17:16] <TangentDelta> Yay my server (actually just a headless laptop) has better airflow now.

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L1178[16:18:22] <TangentDelta> So my next challenge is to write an optimized trilateration algorithm for my drone army.

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L1180[16:19:49] <TangentDelta> Yes...I could use a navigation upgrade in them, but I don't like how the navigation upgrade works.

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L1182[16:20:20] <TangentDelta> I can work with a much larger, more flexible area with my GPS system.

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L1185[16:36:20] <Gavle> ~w internet

L1186[16:36:20] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:internet

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L1191[17:21:58] <DevonX|> hi

L1192[17:22:05]

<Kodos> lHowdy

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L1194[17:28:16] <TangentDelta> Lol, using my GPS system I managed to get a drone to follow me around.

L1195[17:28:28] <TangentDelta> For some reason the y coordinate bugs out when I walk around...

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L1197[17:31:20]

<TYKUHN2> @Flans why 404 man? ?

L1198[17:32:44] <DevonX|> where do i find what functions that can be called ?

L1199[17:34:05]

<TYKUHN2> In terms of...?

L1200[17:35:24] <TangentDelta> Ahhh...I found why my drones get funky. I'm using a modified version of the basic remote control drone BIOS. They keep getting themselves stuck in feedback loops send they send/receive on the same channel.

L1201[17:36:02]

<TYKUHN2> Time to split their channels

L1202[17:36:07] <TangentDelta> Oh, drones can pathfind. Nice.

L1203[17:36:27]

<TYKUHN2> Manus's website is SLOOOWWW

L1204[17:36:44]

<TYKUHN2> They can!!! That's OP must ban!

L1205[17:37:21]

<TYKUHN2> Must... overwrite... with... change velocity...

L1206[17:38:24] <TangentDelta> Hmm...maybe they can't?

L1207[17:38:57] <TangentDelta> I'll play with it. My stalker drone got stuck on a wall.

L1208[17:40:22]

<TYKUHN2> It's move by an offset

L1209[17:40:29]

<TYKUHN2> Not to a specific coord

L1210[17:40:45]

<TYKUHN2> Also drone.setAcceleration(math.huge) anyone?

L1211[17:41:02] <TangentDelta> lol

L1212[17:41:12]

<Kodos> Pretty sure there's a hard limit

L1213[17:41:12] <TangentDelta> Instantanious drone teleportation?

L1214[17:43:58] <TangentDelta> I wouldn't mind a drone.disableFlight() method.

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L1216[17:47:50] <DevonX|> dir

L1217[17:47:56] <DevonX|> ooops

L1218[17:47:58] <DevonX|> lol

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L1220[17:48:09] <TangentDelta> durr

L1221[17:51:09]

<TYKUHN2> Ugh

L1222[17:51:11]

<TYKUHN2> Forge errors

L1223[17:54:04] <Izaya> oooh

L1224[17:54:09] <Izaya> mystery socket AM2 CPU

L1225[17:54:26] <Izaya> because I cba to remove the thermal paste from the top

L1226[18:02:13] <TangentDelta> It's fun when the paste glues the cooler to the CPU and you pull the CPU right out of the socket.

L1227[18:02:53] <Izaya> oh that sounds wonderful

L1228[18:02:57] <Izaya> bonded well

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L1231[18:07:29] <TangentDelta> So...how insanely difficult would a pathfinding algorithm be to write?

L1232[18:08:04] <TangentDelta> I wrote one in the past for a game I made using a node based system.

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L1234[18:10:20]

<MGR> maybe pretty insane?

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<TYKUHN2> My modpack of about 168 take >1Gb of RAM and achieves 60FPS on my crappy underpowered (as in PSU is too weak) PC.

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L1239[18:28:21]

<TYKUHN2> I need something in my life

L1240[18:28:28]

<TYKUHN2> MCHeli OC support

L1241[18:28:37]

<Kodos> In what context?

L1242[18:29:16]

<TYKUHN2> Drone and maybe AA control

L1243[18:29:57]

<TYKUHN2> Atleast AA

L1244[18:30:02]

<TYKUHN2> Drones maybe harder

L1245[18:30:08]

<TYKUHN2> Harder to make it useful atleast

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L1247[18:35:02] <TangentDelta> Aww...why would you want that?

L1248[18:37:09]

<TYKUHN2> Automated guided missile the size of a battleship? Not sure.

L1249[18:37:30] <TangentDelta> Oh...that does sound fun.

L1250[18:38:08]

<TYKUHN2> Minechem took about 7 days to load

L1251[18:38:29]

<TYKUHN2> Maybe needs another 1/4 Gig

L1252[18:39:08] <Antheus> o/

L1253[18:39:27] <TangentDelta> :o

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L1255[18:40:28]

<TYKUHN2> I'm concerned that someone is playing "systemd"

L1256[18:45:05] <TangentDelta> Mmm? Why's that?

L1257[18:46:29]

<TYKUHN2> Why is Forge loading taking 90% CPU?

L1258[18:46:48] <TangentDelta> Oh, lol.

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L1260[18:49:36] <Antheus> Does anyone recommend 7 Days to Die?

L1261[18:51:09] <TangentDelta> I tried it early in its development.

L1262[18:51:28] <TangentDelta> I had a blast playing it with friends. Single player, it kind of fell short.

L1263[18:52:57]

<Kodos> Yeah, better with friends, but still decent in SP

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L1265[18:57:51] <Antheus> Well I just picked it up for $9.99 so yay

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L1267[18:59:28]

<Kodos> Enjoy!

L1268[19:00:06] <Antheus> I hope I do :3

L1269[19:00:34] <Antheus> in about 30-40 min ,_,

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L1271[19:00:56]

<TYKUHN2> Less memory to collect = more lag

L1272[19:00:58]

<TYKUHN2> Apparently

L1273[19:17:33] <S3> :(

L1274[19:17:47] <S3> so

L1275[19:18:00] <S3> one of my teachers has integrated a code on their website to do the homework

L1276[19:18:04] <S3> I have to pay $ to get the code

L1277[19:18:23] <S3> and well that can't happen until monday

L1278[19:18:38] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/ztmmgq.jpg

L1279[19:18:53] <Izaya> I think you'll like that one S3

L1280[19:19:10] <S3> hmm

L1281[19:19:14] <S3> the old slot pentium IIs

L1282[19:19:23] <S3> I have a server that takes 4 of those.

L1283[19:19:41] <Izaya> Pentium II 350Mhz, 3dfx Voodoo Banshee 16M and SoundBlaster SB0680

L1284[19:20:10] <S3> 350? that's a bit fast

L1285[19:20:21] <Izaya> This was a server once upon a time

L1286[19:20:27] <Izaya> also, 128M of RAM

L1287[19:20:36] <S3> doesn't really look like it but

L1288[19:20:53] <S3> I have a 4 cpu slot pentium 2 server that holds 16 RAM sticks

L1289[19:21:02] <Izaya> Well, it was used in a server

L1290[19:21:21] <S3> I dunno how much memory I had in it

L1291[19:21:24] <S3> it was quite a bit

L1292[19:21:34] <S3> definately less than 2GB

L1293[19:21:39] <Izaya> I only have the one stick of PC100

L1294[19:21:54] <S3> my pentium 3 server had two pentium IIIs and had 4GB of ram installed.

L1295[19:22:07] <S3> 2GB on each CPU

L1296[19:22:22] <Izaya> I have a P3 server with 2x 1133Mhz Pentium IIIs, 768M of RAM and 4 15kRPM HDDs

L1297[19:22:30] <Izaya> That machine's sorta nice :3

L1298[19:22:36] <S3> heh mine are 10Krpm

L1299[19:22:51] <S3> the p3 has 7 10K rpm hotswap ultra 120s

L1300[19:22:56] <S3> 160s*

L1301[19:23:01]

<TYKUHN2> Caesar is the monkey from PotA no?

L1302[19:23:07] <Izaya> This one is hotswap Ultra320

L1303[19:23:12] <S3> 320?!

L1304[19:23:14] <S3> you bastard

L1305[19:23:18] <Izaya> :3

L1306[19:23:20] <S3> I always wanted 320s

L1307[19:23:21]

<TYKUHN2> 320!?!?! Why not 420!?!?

L1308[19:23:24] <Izaya> Also has a tape drive

L1309[19:23:29] <S3> heh

L1310[19:23:31] <Izaya> Because the 420 is my laptop

L1311[19:23:34] <S3> I have a parallel port tape drive

L1312[19:24:36] <S3> Oh I dunno...

L1313[19:24:44] <S3> trying to think how a service will work

L1314[19:25:05] <S3> a service is a module that wraps a chunk of Lua code that registers callbacks for streams, and have privileged access to the stream service.

L1315[19:25:30] <S3> a service does not continuously run like a process; It doesn't enter some sort of coroutine loop

L1316[19:25:41] <S3> 100% passive

L1317[19:26:05] <Izaya> a hiss, a fizz and a pop from the PSU

L1318[19:26:09] <Izaya> that's ominous

L1319[19:26:21] <S3> kitty says hi

L1320[19:27:31] <Izaya> okay

L1321[19:27:34] <Izaya> there's the magic smoke

L1322[19:28:03]

<TYKUHN2> S3 you implementing annoying Java execution?

L1323[19:29:35]

<TYKUHN2> If data pushed on stream with some arg then run callback?

L1324[19:29:37] <Izaya> eugh

L1325[19:29:43] <Izaya> that magic smoke smells worse than usual

L1326[19:29:48] <Izaya> I think I just cooked a dead bug

L1327[19:29:52]

<TYKUHN2> Or just if data pushed in general

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L1329[19:31:50] <Antheus> I once cooked frozen squash that had expired like 3 years before

L1330[19:31:59] <Antheus> it looked disgusting

L1331[19:34:31] <S3> Antheus: refridgerating some vegetablees is wrong

L1332[19:34:37] <S3> same with some fruit

L1333[19:36:11] <Antheus> Speaking of fruit, I could kill for some Kiwis right now

L1334[19:38:29] <ping> fried kiwi birds

L1335[19:38:30] <ping> mm

L1336[19:42:43]

<Kodos> Now I want fried chicken, fuck you guys

L1337[19:52:34] <ping> when daddy

L1338[19:53:42] <Izaya> IT LIVES

L1339[19:55:12] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/pcxeza.jpg

L1340[19:58:03] <Izaya> Skye's gonna be jealous, I have a working slot CPU

L1341[19:58:38] <Skye> I'm not jealous... I'm insanely tired.

L1342[19:59:24] <Izaya> :P

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L1344[20:04:30]

<TYKUHN2> I'm jealous

L1345[20:04:34]

<TYKUHN2> I want to be insanely tired!

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L1348[20:12:06] <S3> OMG IM SO EXCITED

L1349[20:12:14] <S3> susy brought home a dvd

L1350[20:12:29]

<TYKUHN2> DVD

L1351[20:12:31]

<TYKUHN2> HOLY SHIT

L1352[20:13:03] <S3> ?

L1353[20:14:43] <S3> I'm excited because i's the brave little toaster

L1354[20:19:22] <S3> http://i.imgur.com/ORgDSyh.jpg

L1355[20:20:31]

<TYKUHN2> No! Don't hit me with that!

L1356[20:21:41] <Izaya> is that a LART?

L1357[20:22:57] <S3> it's a hard reset

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L1359[20:24:27] <Izaya> also argh

L1360[20:24:37] <Izaya> computer refuses to look at the Banshee now

L1361[20:24:45] <Izaya> so I swapped it out for a Voodoo 3 3000 and it works

L1362[20:24:48] <Izaya> but argh anyway

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<TYKUHN2> I'm threatening a friend with a hard reset and he won't respond, he might need it.

L1367[20:50:10] <S3> voodoo 3? why not voodoo 5?!

L1368[20:50:15] <S3> voodoo 5 had SLI

L1369[20:50:16] <S3> :D

L1370[20:50:25] <S3> and was super rare

L1371[20:53:24] <Izaya> S3: because I have a voodoo 3

L1372[20:53:25] <Izaya> also

L1373[20:53:33] <S3> those weren't bad

L1374[20:53:36] <S3> I had a voodoo 2

L1375[20:53:41] <Izaya> is it just me or would it be great to have a computer with like 8 separate computers inside it

L1376[20:53:43] <S3> or something like that at one time

L1377[20:53:47] <Izaya> and a power switch and stuff for each

L1378[20:53:52] <S3> I also had a diamond card with 3DFX

L1379[20:54:01] <Izaya> so you could have like a mini server running when you're not actually using the computer

L1380[20:54:20] <S3> you should run multice on it

L1381[20:54:20] <S3> :D

L1382[20:55:33] <Izaya> definitely

L1383[20:55:42] <Izaya> I want a GA144

L1384[21:07:28]

<Kodos> I want a new game

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L1386[21:10:24] <SolraBizna> Kodos: play SCRAM

L1387[21:10:30]

<Kodos> Wat

L1388[21:11:03]

<TYKUHN2> I want a new game too

L1389[21:11:06]

<TYKUHN2> Let's make it!

L1390[21:11:22]

<TYKUHN2> You do code and art. I'll do the credit claiming.

L1391[21:11:34]

<Kodos> Sure, let me just make Lights Out! on Pico-8

L1392[21:15:14] <S3> I dunno...

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L1395[22:07:01] <IronOC> Heyo everyone

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L1399[22:26:50] <Dimensional> Good evening. Is there any tutorial for the various components, like the debug card? I've been trying to use it, and I can't get it to work right to use in place of command blocks.

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L1401[22:34:56] <S3> well components have wiki pages

L1402[22:35:03] <S3> I dunno about the debug card...

L1403[22:35:20] <S3> http://ocdoc.cil.li/component:debug?s[]=debug

L1404[22:35:24] <S3> here you go

L1405[22:45:24]

<TYKUHN2> Wow there is just one mod that DESTROYS my framerate and I have no clue what it is

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L1407[22:46:29]

<FLORANA> hello :3

L1408[22:49:06] <Dimensional> S3, I'm on that page, and it didn't help me at all when I was trying to use the debug card

L1409[22:49:21] <Dimensional> I couldn't get it to recognize any user entities or objects.

L1410[22:53:47] <S3> what are you trying to do?

L1411[22:56:19]

<FLORANA> hey um did enyone heard about the news of `gabe the dog`(a popular dog on youtube and a meme)?

L1412[22:56:38] <Dimensional> It's been a while. I need to load up the MC world I was testing on.

L1413[22:56:49] <S3> never heard of it

L1414[22:57:09]

<FLORANA> well doge died this year

L1415[22:57:09] <Dimensional> One was creating a program that would look for a specific person at a location, and determine what's in their inventory. If everything matches, would teleport them somewhere else. If not, wouldn't do a thing.

L1416[22:57:18]

<FLORANA> dang it

L1417[22:57:25] <S3> oh doge

L1418[22:57:26]

<FLORANA> i keep typing doge

L1419[22:57:35]

<FLORANA> dog i hate typing

L1420[22:57:39]

<FLORANA> gabe

L1421[22:57:41] <S3> ...

L1422[22:57:45] <S3> dog you hate typing?

L1423[22:57:53]

<FLORANA> gabe died this year

L1424[22:58:00] <S3> you need to slow down

L1425[22:58:06]

<FLORANA> sorry

L1426[22:58:24]

<FLORANA> ... i hate english

L1427[22:58:33] <S3> I meamn iI an typ9ing now can you reasdy this text because ifh you can pI ccan yty7uope like this tooo.

L1428[22:58:41] <S3> :)

L1429[22:58:48] <S3> What's your first language?

L1430[22:58:50]

<FLORANA> i keeps writing things backwords and wrong

L1431[22:59:00]

<FLORANA> english and i hate it

L1432[22:59:07] <S3> ...

L1433[22:59:13]

<FLORANA> XD

L1434[22:59:16] <S3> Wait a minute...

L1435[22:59:30] <S3> Your first language is english but you hate it

L1436[22:59:30]

<TYKUHN2> Anyone know what Feed the Beast's optimization Arguments are?

L1437[22:59:42] <S3> you can set them TYK...

L1438[22:59:45] <S3> in the java settings iirc

L1439[22:59:47] <turtledude01> English is also my first language and i hate it

L1440[22:59:57]

<TYKUHN2> What's it's optimization for fast computers though?

L1441[23:00:20] <S3> Maybe you should just speak Esperanto

L1442[23:00:32] <S3> Vi duvas parolis la Esperanton Lingvo

L1443[23:00:32]

<FLORANA> lol

L1444[23:00:36] <S3> :P

L1445[23:00:42] <S3> you know

L1446[23:00:53] <turtledude01> wat

L1447[23:00:56]

<FLORANA> i am working on my own language

L1448[23:00:57] <Saphire> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulator XD

L1449[23:01:00] <S3> La Esperanto Lingvo estas bela kaj tre bone

L1450[23:01:02] <Saphire> >Obstacles

L1451[23:01:27]

<TYKUHN2> Removing more and more mods

L1452[23:01:28] <S3> how are you working on your own language if you don't even understand your own?

L1453[23:01:30] <S3> :D

L1454[23:01:34] <Saphire> 1 - copyright, 2 - copyright, 3 - copyright, 4 - needs additional processing power

L1455[23:01:40]

<FLORANA> btw for thoses thats interested... gabe borks no more: http://www.inuth.com/trends/social-virals/dog-whose-videos-went-viral-passes-away-fans-express-grief/

L1456[23:02:02] <Saphire> Out of 4 obstacles only one is actual one, while other 3 are, well... meh

L1457[23:02:11] <S3> I do not remember this doggy

L1458[23:02:20] <S3> fluffy rat doggy

L1459[23:02:31] <S3> pretty cute though

L1460[23:02:54]

<FLORANA> hm... i still was gabe's videos :3

L1461[23:03:02] <S3> heh

L1462[23:03:47] <S3> But no really, Esperanto is a very nice, really easy language to learn.

L1463[23:03:49] <Saphire> damn, reading about old computer technologies...

L1464[23:03:58] <S3> Saphire: why?

L1465[23:04:07] <Izaya> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Emu_running_emu.jpg

L1466[23:04:09]

<FLORANA> gg then

L1467[23:04:12] <Saphire> Huh? Just interested

L1468[23:04:17] <Izaya> Saphire: I got a machine I might be able to run real BeOS on!

L1469[23:04:22] <S3> hmm..

L1470[23:04:35] <S3> Saphire: did you not live during these times?

L1471[23:04:44] <Saphire> S3: nope

L1472[23:04:50] <S3> that's awful

L1473[23:04:54] <S3> I do not understand

L1474[23:04:55] <Saphire> ikr

L1475[23:05:15] <S3> I had to explain to somebody the other day what an audio cassette tape was.

L1476[23:05:21] <Saphire> ...what

L1477[23:05:33] <S3> and that I used to save all my files on my computer to them

L1478[23:05:38] <S3> because hard drives were not a thing

L1479[23:05:44]

<FLORANA> is that image above win3.1?

L1480[23:05:48] <S3> only in $$$$$$$$$$$$ IBM mainframes.

L1481[23:05:49] <Saphire> Um..

L1482[23:05:56] <Saphire> Yeah, that's what i wanted to add

L1483[23:06:15] <S3> no its not

L1484[23:06:18] <S3> it's not 3.1

L1485[23:06:28]

<FLORANA> ok then

L1486[23:06:33] <Saphire> not even close, heh

L1487[23:07:09]

<FLORANA> windows 5? i have no idea

L1488[23:07:13] <Saphire> Uh

L1489[23:07:21] <Saphire> "Windows XP running an Acorn Archimedes emulator, which is in turn running a Sinclair ZX Spectrum emulator."

L1490[23:07:23] <S3> http://toastytech.com/guis/win31default.png

L1491[23:07:25] <S3> Saphire: ^

L1492[23:07:27] <S3> that is 3.1

L1493[23:07:31] <S3> I had 3.1

L1494[23:07:39] <S3> it was my primary system for a bit

L1495[23:07:46] <Saphire> S3: uh, i know how it looks like

L1496[23:07:47] <S3> before we upgraded to 95

L1497[23:07:51]

<FLORANA> i'ved used 3.1 before

L1498[23:07:51] <turtledude01> Earliest OS i used was XP

L1499[23:07:54] * Izaya had a C64 for quite a while

L1500[23:07:57] <Saphire> kinda was trying to run it once, in vm though

L1501[23:08:01] <S3> Izaya: WTF

L1502[23:08:03] <S3> you ass

L1503[23:08:07] <S3> I wanted a C64

L1504[23:08:12] <Izaya> it was my first computer :3

L1505[23:08:14] <S3> I was stuck with a TRS-80

L1506[23:08:15] <S3> :(

L1507[23:08:20] <Izaya> of course

L1508[23:08:21] <S3> My TRS-80 wa smy first

L1509[23:08:23]

<FLORANA> windowsXP is my favort windows OS

L1510[23:08:24] <Izaya> the rest of the world had Windows XP

L1511[23:08:27] <S3> I always wanted a C64

L1512[23:08:39] <Izaya> but my C64 was wonderful

L1513[23:08:40] <Saphire> i think my first one was either XP or 2000

L1514[23:08:42] <S3> Windows XP was horrible

L1515[23:08:54] <Saphire> S3: it was good enough for those times though?

L1516[23:08:59] <Saphire> hm

L1517[23:09:05] <turtledude01> I hate XP

L1518[23:09:12] <turtledude01> My favorite, before 7 was Vista

L1519[23:09:16]

<FLORANA> there is software that you can install for winXP- to run 7+ programs

L1520[23:09:23] <S3> I used 9x during the XP times when I wasn't using Linux actually

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L1522[23:09:29] <turtledude01> now 10 is my favorite due to the slight ubuntu terminal emulator

L1523[23:09:31] <S3> I had 98 at the time

L1524[23:09:36] <Saphire> turtledude01: uh

L1525[23:09:38] <Saphire> um

L1526[23:09:40] <S3> and a machine with Windows NT 4.0

L1527[23:09:54] <S3> XP was like NT 5.x

L1528[23:10:00] <Saphire> https://github.com/wishstudio/flinux - rip interesting thing

L1529[23:10:02]

<FLORANA> btw i've lived with windows XP for about 10-12 years

L1530[23:10:02] <turtledude01> Saphire, Yeah? i also like the layout and feel of 10 better

L1531[23:10:13]

<FLORANA> even when dead

L1532[23:10:26] <S3> you guys should just go back to frigging CP/M

L1533[23:10:29] <S3> or OS/2

L1534[23:10:32] <Saphire> So, reading about all those old systems...

L1535[23:10:35] * Izaya mumbles something about privacy, paranoia and paid shills

L1536[23:10:53] <Saphire> it's kinda amazing how, well, much stuff there was

L1537[23:10:59] <turtledude01> Izaya, I dont do anything that i care about ppl finding out about on my windows

L1538[23:11:04] <turtledude01> i do that on linux XD

L1539[23:11:11] <S3> in fact that screenshit Saphire looked very much like OS/2

L1540[23:11:13] <Saphire> (and sad that most of it is either sold at horribly huge price or is rotting)

L1541[23:11:31] <Saphire> S3: uh, why are you pinging me O.o

L1542[23:11:47] <S3> because I was responding to a much earlier thing you said

L1543[23:11:50] <Saphire> ah

L1544[23:12:00] <Saphire> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Archimedes - huh, ARM PC

L1545[23:12:11] <Izaya> Saphire: I want an Archimedes

L1546[23:12:13]

<FLORANA> hey guys look at RemixOS it's a windows OS but was built from scratch it can basicly run eny program

L1547[23:12:15] <Izaya> they had UNIX workstations

L1548[23:12:18] <S3> ACORN!

L1549[23:12:26] <Saphire> >By the early 1990s, the UK educational market began to turn away from the Archimedes. Apple Macintosh computers or IBM compatible PCs eclipsed the Archimedes in their multimedia capabilities, which led to an erosion of the Archimedes market share.

L1550[23:12:27] <Izaya> in the Archimedes line

L1551[23:12:28] <Saphire> well

L1552[23:12:40] <turtledude01> I love Ubuntu more than anything, except to run windows only programs... then i like 7 or 10

L1553[23:12:49] <Saphire> i guess we all can blame Apple and MS :v

L1554[23:12:49]

<FLORANA> lol

L1555[23:12:51] <S3> %quote turtledude01

L1556[23:12:51] <MichiBot> S3: No quotes found for turtledude01

L1557[23:12:58] <Saphire> %quote Saphire

L1558[23:12:58] <MichiBot> Quote #26: <Saphire> duh

L1559[23:13:04] <S3> Why would anyone like Ubuntu

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L1561[23:13:07]

<FLORANA> ubuntu is kinda trash

L1562[23:13:10] <Saphire> S3: no idea

L1563[23:13:12]

<FLORANA> i use arch

L1564[23:13:14] <S3> Ubuntu is depressing

L1565[23:13:18] <S3> arch is even worse atm

L1566[23:13:21] <oran_ge> What are you talking about?

L1567[23:13:23]

<FLORANA> lol

L1568[23:13:27] <S3> arch was great

L1569[23:13:31] <Saphire> S3: hm?

L1570[23:13:36] <S3> and then some idiot integrated systemd

L1571[23:13:37] <S3> lol

L1572[23:13:37] <turtledude01> I use Ubuntu for all my servers due to the extensive support in the programs i use

L1573[23:13:41] <Saphire> uhh

L1574[23:13:42]

<FLORANA> S3 i use antergos to easy install arch

L1575[23:13:54] <Saphire> >using installers

L1576[23:13:57] <Saphire> meh

L1577[23:14:03] <S3> Ubuntu for servers?!

L1578[23:14:04] <S3> ...

L1579[23:14:10]

<FLORANA> wow

L1580[23:14:12] <S3> what a waste of precious memory..

L1581[23:14:18] <Saphire> what's the problem with systemd though?

L1582[23:14:21] <turtledude01> lol i have sooo much memory though

L1583[23:14:30] <turtledude01> i have 13 servers with 16 GB ram each

L1584[23:14:47] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/pOBmcPo.jpg I do terrible things to get both Winderps and Loonix program

L1585[23:15:01] <Saphire> Izaya: lemme guess, gpu passtrough?

L1586[23:15:10] <Izaya> Nope.

L1587[23:15:12] <Saphire> oh, nevermind, ssh

L1588[23:15:22] <Saphire> and x server on win

L1589[23:15:29] <Izaya> I have a linux VM running on my Windows which I do X11 forwarding from/to/whatever

L1590[23:15:42] <S3> systemd is obtrusive, innovative! but absolutely unnecessary.. a pain in the butt to deal with. And the main developer of systemd is an idiot and an asshole/

L1591[23:16:16] <turtledude01> lol

L1592[23:16:35] <turtledude01> the only 2 linux distros i like are Ubuntu and Debian

L1593[23:16:35] <Saphire> well

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L1595[23:16:50] <Izaya> Debian's good for servers

L1596[23:16:52] <Izaya> Ubuntu is a pain

L1597[23:17:01] <Saphire> Ubuntu is... bulky and weird

L1598[23:17:02] <Izaya> Arch is what I use for personal machines

L1599[23:17:06] <S3> Linus may be preetty ridiculously hotheaded, but he was absolutely rightful for kicking the main developer of systemd out of the Linux kernel dev scene more than once.

L1600[23:17:07] <turtledude01> Ive not had a problem with ubuntu

L1601[23:17:26] <Saphire> also lacks good docs, other than what's available for any other distro

L1602[23:17:34] <turtledude01> Im also very used to ubuntus system and everything due to using it for the last 2 years on anywhere from 2 to 7 servers at a time

L1603[23:17:54] <Saphire> S3: something something adding terribly complex unneeded things to kernel?

L1604[23:18:22] * Saphire baps Izaya

L1605[23:18:31] <Saphire> delete ABP+

L1606[23:18:32]

<TYKUHN2> Just work on your streamos!

L1607[23:18:34] <S3> pretty much, but also he used to create a lot of bugs that were really dangerous to the kernel at runtime, and destructive and leave them like little cat poops in git

L1608[23:18:36]

<TYKUHN2> Gah!

L1609[23:18:40] <S3> and Linus was just fed up with it

L1610[23:18:41] <Saphire> s/+//

L1611[23:18:57] <Saphire> S3: ...wat

L1612[23:19:11] <Saphire> is that guy that irresponsible? O.o

L1613[23:19:16] <S3> and what the heck is up with systemd mounting the efi eeprom firmware as read/write

L1614[23:19:28] <Saphire> ...wat?

L1615[23:19:32] <S3> Saphire: that's why Linus kicked him off a few times.

L1616[23:19:37] <S3> well, one reason why

L1617[23:19:43] <S3> said gtfo of my kernel

L1618[23:20:07] <Saphire> pretty sure you don't need (and shouldn't) write things into epprom normally

L1619[23:20:20]

<TYKUHN2> Unless you're using OC ?

L1620[23:20:27] <S3> the integration of systemd in distributions has been so contraversal, that it caused the entire debian team to split into two projects..

L1621[23:20:30] <Saphire> TYKUHN2: well

L1622[23:20:39] <S3> a version of debian with systemd, and a version without, XD

L1623[23:20:47] <S3> called devuan I think..

L1624[23:21:00] <S3> Saphire: you're right

L1625[23:21:13] <Saphire> there's difference between a modern PC with EEPROM BIOS?EFI and a very limited (compared to PC) computer in OC

L1626[23:21:27] <S3> Saphire: but the problem with the read/write thing is that if some jackass does a recursive rm on / by force, it would wipe the firmware on chip

L1627[23:21:44] <Saphire> S3: uh, i see at least two problems in that statement

L1628[23:21:55] <S3> and the only way to fix that, is to reflash the chip with a programmer by removing teh chip from your board.

L1629[23:21:55] <Saphire> rw of firmware and rm /

L1630[23:22:04] <S3> yes.

L1631[23:22:24] <Saphire> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402

L1632[23:22:40] <Saphire> ...can't you just fucking remount in that case?

L1633[23:23:06] <S3> no.

L1634[23:23:24] <S3> you have to remove the chip and reprogram it.

L1635[23:23:32] <Saphire> S3: uh

L1636[23:23:32] <S3> and it's usually a surface mounyt

L1637[23:23:33] <S3> mount*

L1638[23:23:48] <Saphire> i meant to his "reson to mount it rw"

L1639[23:23:54] <S3> oh

L1640[23:24:01] <S3> you could, but it's a default setting

L1641[23:24:12] <S3> and that's a horrible thing to do

L1642[23:24:23] <S3> people literally lost their machines because of it

L1643[23:24:30] <S3> because mean people would play jokes on them

L1644[23:26:10] <Saphire> "

L1645[23:26:13] <Saphire> We haven't seen anything like... Oh wait... When I need a clean /usr I just install bumblebee...

L1646[23:26:15] <Saphire> "

L1647[23:26:17] <Saphire> hah

L1648[23:26:25] <S3> heh

L1649[23:26:48] <S3> It may sound quite elitist, but I don't use things because they're simple or easy

L1650[23:27:56] <Saphire> Hmmm..

L1651[23:28:00] <S3> I started with Slackware, and I stayed with Slackware all these years, even though I've played around with distributions like Ubuntu, etc, I've always stuck close to Slackware, for Linux, but my primary operating system is FreeBSD. I do have a windows machine though with 10 on it just for something to do

L1652[23:28:25] <Saphire> Maybe one day i'll manage to configure the emulated mainframe running on hercules... eh, later

L1653[23:28:27] <S3> I'm not going to try and force everyone to use what I use, etc, but I do have pretty strong opinions of them XD

L1654[23:28:54] <Saphire> How many emulators like hercules are there?

L1655[23:30:01] <S3> Ideally use what you want and I won't complain. It's lazy programmers that really make me angry. The ones that always choose the easiest path using as much work written by somebody else as possible in the most horribly abstracted way...

L1656[23:30:25] <S3> people who religiously adopt "never reinvent the wheel" tactics.. they make me so mad..

L1657[23:31:15] <S3> but abstraction itself is not bad

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L1659[23:32:56] <S3> it's no wonder why I'm not in computer science

L1660[23:32:58] <S3> lol

L1661[23:33:15] <Saphire> "Do not submit bug reports about anything but the two most recently released systemd versions upstream!"

L1662[23:33:17] <S3> the classes I've taken in the CS department were loaded with bad practices..

L1663[23:33:18] <Saphire> really

L1664[23:33:30] <S3> Saphire: dafuq

L1665[23:34:01] <Saphire> I like reinventing wheel because I don't want to carry the whole OS with one little program :v

L1666[23:34:02] <S3> they really want you to use an updated version I guess

L1667[23:34:17] <S3> reinventing the wheel is great

L1668[23:34:21] <S3> there is a balance

L1669[23:34:54] <Saphire> yup

L1670[23:35:01] * Saphire glares at electron apps

L1671[23:35:06] <Saphire> actually..

L1672[23:35:13] * Saphire glares at node.js apps

L1673[23:35:17] <S3> nobody wants to reinvent an XML parser, but if you need a reactive event socket library that does exactly what you need it to do? go fo rit.

L1674[23:35:33] <Saphire> heh

L1675[23:35:39] <S3> node.js is a great example of WTF

L1676[23:35:42] <Saphire> node.js and pad-left fail

L1677[23:36:16] <S3> I guess I'm just getting old and cranky

L1678[23:36:23] <Saphire> seriosly, just create a "utils.js/c/cpp/java/..." and put the thing inside, not REQUIRE FUCKING LIBRARY TO DO THAT

L1679[23:36:40] <S3> because I grew up when if you didn't have a program you had to write it yourself, because picking it up at the store wasn't really an option

L1680[23:36:57] <SolraBizna> software today angers me

L1681[23:37:18] <SolraBizna> "want to check your email? let me just compile 300MB of JavaScript for you"

L1682[23:37:18] <S3> the overal quality of software has flattened

L1683[23:37:24] <Saphire> S3: afaik it was at best "type in the hex/basic/etc code"

L1684[23:37:42] <S3> heh

L1685[23:38:08] <S3> Saphire: my TRS-80 had extended color basic, so I could dump data into memory

L1686[23:38:19] <S3> allowing you to create an assembler

L1687[23:38:31] <S3> and then you could just write Motorola 6800 assembly for ity

L1688[23:38:34] <Saphire> huh

L1689[23:38:39] <S3> since mine didn't have a z80

L1690[23:38:56] <SolraBizna> my father did that too

L1691[23:38:57] <S3> problem is, then you needed some sort of editor to use it

L1692[23:39:06] <SolraBizna> he was going to write a window system for it... but then he bought an Atari ST instead

L1693[23:39:21] <S3> I wish I knew as much as I do now back then

L1694[23:39:26] <S3> because I would have been super smart

L1695[23:39:31] <S3> and wrote a FORTH interpreter for it

L1696[23:39:39] <S3> I could have used it for anything

L1697[23:39:54] <SolraBizna> lol

L1698[23:40:04] <S3> it had quite a bit of free memory after boot

L1699[23:40:30] <S3> 64K in all, but most of it was allocated to memory mapped IO at locations other than RAM that wasn't being reserved by BASIC or something

L1700[23:40:42] <Saphire> meanwhile i'm waiting for some microcontrolelrs to arrive

L1701[23:40:58] <S3> ever used an MSP430?

L1702[23:41:06] <Saphire> because, hey, low-level programming is fun, especially when you don't have to worry with fucking up too much

L1703[23:41:10] <Saphire> uh.. googling

L1704[23:41:10] <S3> I have a couple. they're what I'm playing with now. they're amazing..

L1705[23:41:29] <S3> theyr'e these little low power Texas Instruments chips that have 128 - 512 bytes of ram

L1706[23:41:34] <S3> RISC

L1707[23:41:50] <S3> you can run them off of a little battery for years

L1708[23:42:14] <Izaya> So

L1709[23:42:20] <Saphire> heh

L1710[23:42:24] <Izaya> 350Mhz Pentium II box. What should I throw at it?

L1711[23:42:40] <turtledude01> damn, this chat gets serious about pc stuff late at night

L1712[23:42:42] <Saphire> kinda reminds me about those tiny little bank one-time pass devices

L1713[23:42:42] <S3> Izaya: prime95?

L1714[23:42:45] <S3> loooool

L1715[23:43:05] <S3> Izaya: depends what you want

L1716[23:43:10] <Saphire> Though one i have is unmarked and i have no idea how to start poking it...

L1717[23:43:20] <Izaya> I'm thinking NetBSD perhaps

L1718[23:43:31] <Izaya> Maybe FreeDOS, NetBSD and BeOS?

L1719[23:43:34] <S3> Izaya: 386BSD?

L1720[23:43:40] <S3> that'd be a fun project

L1721[23:43:45] <Izaya> Been there, done that

L1722[23:43:50] <S3> Put Jolix on it

L1723[23:43:51] <Saphire> also... you need so much to do barebones coding on rpi

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L1725[23:44:18] <S3> rpi is a proprietary hunk of crap

L1726[23:44:30] <S3> they're proprietary little ARM computers

L1727[23:44:31] <S3> bout it

L1728[23:44:41] <S3> with very scarily sensitive crappy GPIO

L1729[23:44:53] <S3> that will reboot the pi with the sudden change of 1 microvolt

L1730[23:44:55] <S3> XD

L1731[23:45:08] <Saphire> I kinda ,well, dislike arduino

L1732[23:45:16] <S3> seriously besides the chip computer, I have never seen something so sensitive

L1733[23:45:18] <Saphire> for selling a thing 10 times its actual cost .-.

L1734[23:45:23] <Saphire> S3: uh

L1735[23:45:33] <Saphire> because it IS SOC computer?

L1736[23:45:39] <S3> no

L1737[23:45:57] <S3> I have some SOC machines that have taken serious damage

L1738[23:45:58] <turtledude01> I hate pi tbh, its so unusable for anything larger than small electronic components

L1739[23:45:59] <S3> and work fine

L1740[23:46:02] <S3> never had a problem

L1741[23:46:08] <Saphire> hm

L1742[23:46:19] <S3> my STM32 for example

L1743[23:46:19] <Saphire> How much do you need to run a SOC?

L1744[23:46:31] <S3> the time I fed 240 volts through my STM32

L1745[23:46:36] <Izaya> fun idea

L1746[23:46:38] <S3> right into the damn SPI porty

L1747[23:46:42] <Izaya> install gentoo on a 350Mhz Pentium II

L1748[23:46:43] <Saphire> ...

L1749[23:46:48] <Saphire> Izaya: pffft, sec

L1750[23:46:49] <S3> don't do that btw

L1751[23:46:58] <S3> there's a huge black mark on the pcb

L1752[23:47:00] <S3> but it still works

L1753[23:47:09] <Saphire> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit

L1754[23:47:26] <Izaya> that was on hackaday I think

L1755[23:47:27] <Saphire> S3: fire hazard?

L1756[23:47:35] <S3> not at all

L1757[23:47:45] <S3> as for an arduino, I have one but I don't really use them

L1758[23:47:51] <S3> I use the chips that arduino puts on thei rboards

L1759[23:48:07] <Saphire> "cheapest, slowest, simplest to hand assemble, lowest part count, and lowest-end Linux PC"

L1760[23:48:09] <S3> the ATMega chips, I have an AVR ATMega 324 in my drawer of chips

L1761[23:48:10] <Saphire> xD

L1762[23:48:13] <S3> but I don't like AVR much

L1763[23:48:21] <Saphire> S3: because proprioretary?

L1764[23:48:25] <S3> no

L1765[23:48:31] <S3> they're quite open actually

L1766[23:48:43] <Saphire> iirc they bricked non-genuine chips or something?

L1767[23:48:49] <S3> I mean, MSP430 is the same way but I don't like port based IO

L1768[23:48:50] <Saphire> or was it arduino that did that?

L1769[23:48:57] <S3> an ATMega chip has unidirectional port based IO

L1770[23:49:26] <Saphire> huh?

L1771[23:49:52] <S3> what that means is that if you want to do bidirectional IO, you have to call an instruction to flip the direction of the IO and then set your pullup/pull down (if you wire it right you wont have to), and THEN send data out / input data.

L1772[23:49:56] <S3> it's a waste of cycles

L1773[23:50:27] <Saphire> ah, i see

L1774[23:50:32] <Saphire> sounds complicated :V

L1775[23:50:37] <S3> unlike something like a 6502, which is 100% external memory mapped IO, the IO is half duplex bidirectional but you don't have to wait. This makes it easy to perform bidirectional parallel EEPROM IO, etc

L1776[23:51:04] <S3> but the 6502 is obviously a simpler chip and lacks features

L1777[23:51:13] <S3> not that that is a bad thing

L1778[23:52:03] <Saphire> you can do amazing things with even simple looping, increment/decrement and moving a pointer

L1779[23:52:25] <Izaya> 6502 is great

L1780[23:52:29] <Saphire> aka brainfuck