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L1[00:13:05] <Izaya> %p
L2[00:13:06] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Izaya 0.56s
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L4[00:18:03] <Kodos> One little two little three little endians
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L6[00:47:34] <GreaseMonkey> SolraBizna: oh yeah it's definitely LE
L7[00:47:35] <GreaseMonkey> -EL
L8[00:47:38] <GreaseMonkey> that flag
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L10[00:55:25] <Forecaster> SolraBizna: any luck with the nightmare? :P
L11[01:05:12] <gamax92> "In Scala, when we want to invoke foo() on a type A which contains no foo() method, the compiler will check in the appropriate scopes for an implicit method that accepts an A and returns a type B which does have the foo() method."
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L14[01:07:59] <gamax92> 21 seconds!!
L15[01:15:54] <Izaya> GreaseMonkey: is that the origin of mipsel - mips little endian, but because little endian, mips endian little
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L17[01:21:42] <GreaseMonkey> something like that
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L23[02:12:41] <lperkins2> So what's it take to get access to the full debug library in OC? I've got a single player test world where I'd like to try some things
L24[02:14:20] <Forecaster> debug library?
L25[02:14:52] <lperkins2> yeah, as in debug.sethook
L26[02:15:22] <lperkins2> the only things allowed by default are debug.traceback and debug.getinfo
L27[02:15:46] <lperkins2> used to be you could set access to debug in the OC config, with it disabled by default due to the terrible security implications of enabling it
L28[02:15:54] <lperkins2> the option no longer appears to be there
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L31[02:38:14] <Izaya> you could?
L32[02:39:14] <lperkins2> about 2 years ago last time I used it
L33[02:39:22] <Izaya> ah
L34[02:41:02] <lperkins2> maybe 3 even
L35[02:49:29] <lperkins2> eh, I'll just spam os.clock calls all over the place and do some math
L36[02:49:35] <lperkins2> easier than recompiling OC
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L38[03:01:11] <gamax92> lperkins2: i mean you can just edit machine.lua, without doing a recompile
L39[03:02:50] <lperkins2> Oh so you can.
L40[03:03:02] <lperkins2> and debug.sethook is used there
L41[03:05:40] <lperkins2> looks like I can get access to what I need by just adding some stuff to the wrapped debug table, we'll see if the profiler is happy running that way
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L49[03:18:39] <lperkins2> hm, os.clock doesn't seem to give accurate information, I wonder if my server is lagging...
L50[03:23:19] <fingercomp> os.clock returns the cpu time that doesn't include sleeps
L51[03:23:35] <lperkins2> oh, that's unfortunate
L52[03:27:53] <lperkins2> is there a function to get the wall time?
L53[03:28:10] <lperkins2> with centisecond or better accuracy
L54[03:30:12] <fingercomp> afaik, no
L55[03:31:00] <lperkins2> hm, my keyboard handler reports taking 0.05 seconds per keystroke, which should be enough for about 200 wpm
L56[03:31:21] <lperkins2> but I only get like 20
L57[03:58:55] <g> I think Michiyo is going to hate me by the time the week is out
L58[03:58:56] <g> xD
L59[03:59:03] <g> I'm just finding all the crashes in OpenFM
L60[03:59:18] <g> currently have three tickets open
L61[04:03:41] <gamax92> it'll be short term hate
L62[04:03:58] <g> I hope so. :P
L63[04:04:37] <gamax92> g: I don't hate you for finding bugs in oclights2 that once upon a time
L64[04:04:40] <gamax92> :P
L65[04:04:49] <g> lol
L66[04:04:57] <g> yeah but you came onto the server and got a chance to show off
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L70[04:55:21] <Saphire> Raaaaaaaaaa!
L71[04:55:37] <Forecaster> Grommit
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L74[05:14:50] <Skye> %p
L75[05:15:26] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Skye 35.82s
L76[05:15:40] <Skye> oh no not again
L77[05:16:19] <Skye> %p
L78[05:16:42] <Izaya> nice ping
L79[05:17:04] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Skye 44.28s
L80[05:17:39] <Skye> Izaya, "edge"
L81[05:17:49] <Skye> I shudder to think that GPRS would be like
L82[05:20:06] <Skye> %p
L83[05:20:08] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Skye 0.3s
L84[05:21:00] <Skye> %p
L85[05:21:01] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Skye 0.3s
L86[05:41:57] <Izaya> much saner
L87[05:48:11] <Forecaster> I figured out why factoryidle was taking so long
L88[05:48:27] <Forecaster> turns out chromeos doesn't just turn off the screen, it actually goes to sleep
L89[05:48:34] <Forecaster> it it woke up so quickly I didn't notice
L90[05:48:47] <Skye> oops
L91[05:48:59] <Forecaster> so all processes were suspended when the screen turned off after about 6 minutes of inactivity...
L92[06:01:11] <Saphire> Hah
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L94[06:01:41] <20kdc> Forecaster: I would consider that a feature, not a bug, but I would also want a way to keep the processes running
L95[06:01:58] <Forecaster> well yeah, I just didn't expect it
L96[06:01:58] <20kdc> (think battery life)
L97[06:02:06] <Saintmare> Hello
L98[06:02:16] <Forecaster> there is a plugin that lets you tell it to just turn the screen of, not sleep
L99[06:02:20] <Forecaster> or do nothing at all
L100[06:04:05] <Lizzy> \o/ my jenkins is hosed
L101[06:04:11] <Forecaster> :O
L102[06:04:23] <20kdc> amazing! astounding!
L103[06:05:22] <Forecaster> why tho
L104[06:05:27] <Lizzy> ?
L105[06:05:35] <Forecaster> why is it hosed?
L106[06:05:40] <Lizzy> no fucking idea
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L111[06:06:07] <Lizzy> it was working fine one day then when i start it up now it doesn't have any of the configuration stuff i added to it
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L114[06:06:19] <Forecaster> ah
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L122[06:06:41] <Forecaster> spontaneous resets are always fun
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L125[06:08:02] <MGR> oh man
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L127[06:08:12] <Lizzy> oh well, i think the only thing that used it was a mod called vanityblocks, but the author isnt in their channel and also hasn't poked me about it
L128[06:08:27] <MGR> someone makes a USB stick that kills computers when you plug it in to them
L129[06:08:31] <Lizzy> only realised it was down because someone on twitter mentioned it to me
L130[06:08:34] <Forecaster> that's not new
L131[06:08:54] <MGR> Forecaster, it's new to me
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L133[06:10:07] <Forecaster> then I guess you have something new to worry about :P
L134[06:11:06] <MGR> test
L135[06:11:38] <MGR> huh
L136[06:11:48] <MGR> s /
L137[06:11:50] <MGR> s/
L138[06:11:57] <MGR> uhhh
L139[06:12:06] <MGR> something keeps munching my s/ stuff
L140[06:12:13] <MGR> is it showing up in IRC?
L141[06:12:26] <Forecaster> yes
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L143[06:12:46] <MGR> oh, well, ok
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L145[06:13:07] <MGR> Forecaster, I'm close to guns
L146[06:13:39] <Forecaster> I have 15 billion research points
L147[06:13:47] <MGR> noice
L148[06:13:55] <Forecaster> I need 5 more to advance
L149[06:15:02] * Lizzy snuggles her Vi
L150[06:15:06] <Lizzy> :@
L151[06:15:15] * Lizzy unsnuggles Vi
L152[06:15:19] * Lizzy snuggles vifino
L153[06:15:31] * Vi dies
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L155[06:26:01] <MGR> Forecaster, 140 million research points
L156[06:26:09] <Forecaster> woo
L157[06:26:22] <MGR> I should have guns in ~100 minutes
L158[06:26:25] <Forecaster> I have 1d13h to get to 20b
L159[06:26:35] <MGR> unless I can somehow increase research report production
L160[06:26:37] <MGR> which I could
L161[06:26:56] <Forecaster> at the current rate, it'll increase a bit soon, when I upgrade my labs
L162[06:26:59] <MGR> Forecaster, how much does a gun factory cost?
L163[06:27:29] <Forecaster> 1 billion for the maker
L164[06:27:41] <Forecaster> it needs steel and bullets
L165[06:27:55] <Forecaster> bullets use steel and explosives
L166[06:28:59] <MGR> how much are explosives?
L167[06:29:11] <Forecaster> 500 million
L168[06:29:15] <MGR> ok
L169[06:29:26] <Forecaster> I think with no upgrades you need like 4 of them
L170[06:29:28] <MGR> I have $6.7 billion, will that be enough for a gun factory?
L171[06:29:37] <Forecaster> should be
L172[06:29:44] <MGR> awesome, I'll speed up my research
L173[06:29:46] <Forecaster> I don't know the base ratios
L174[06:37:23] <MGR> http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-19
L175[06:41:30] <Skye> oh hey
L176[06:41:39] * Skye snuggles Vi
L177[06:42:12] <MGR> http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-07
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L179[06:49:08] <MGR> http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-08-16
L180[06:49:16] <MGR> I use the wrong kind of electricity too!
L181[06:50:11] <20kdc> Maybe I should switch from static to dynamic electricity.
L182[06:50:34] <MGR> @20kdc yeah
L183[06:50:39] <20kdc> I mean, I know the "heap of coal" startup cost is higher,
L184[06:50:44] <MGR> Pshh
L185[06:50:54] <20kdc> but it has benefits in allowing finer control over how much is actually used.
L186[06:51:35] <MGR> @20kdc one piece of coal costs $5
L187[06:52:29] <20kdc> Eh, I guess the overhead from the MALLOCoal implementation could be quite high, but I'm sure it'll work out.
L188[06:53:00] <MGR> @20kdc Live next to my factory
L189[06:53:04] <MGR> I can spare you some coal
L190[07:07:49] <20kdc> ...MGR: will you also spare me some toxic fumes
L191[07:07:52] <20kdc> of death?
L192[07:08:03] <MGR> @20kdc I researched clean plastic production
L193[07:08:09] <MGR> Now I'm not sure where the waste goes
L194[07:08:17] <20kdc> ...it goes into the coal, I'd bet
L195[07:08:35] <MGR> I think it builds up in the machines now, until months down the road, the factory explodes in a massive fireball
L196[07:08:52] <20kdc> that's nice
L197[07:08:54] <Forecaster> or it's released as fumes
L198[07:08:59] <Forecaster> slowly filling the factory
L199[07:09:00] <MGR> Forecaster, that too
L200[07:09:05] <Forecaster> while also leaking outside
L201[07:09:08] <MGR> 144 million research
L202[07:09:08] <20kdc> well, it's factoryidle
L203[07:09:14] <20kdc> so it's not like you have any humans in there
L204[07:09:18] <MGR> yeah
L205[07:09:22] <MGR> I use robots to cut costs
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L208[07:40:37] <MGR> Forecaster, 148 million RP
L209[07:40:40] <MGR> so close to guns
L210[07:42:17] <Forecaster> 10m until rs upgrade :D
L211[07:42:36] <MGR> ?
L212[07:42:46] <MGR> Forecaster, rockets?
L213[07:42:56] <Forecaster> no
L214[07:43:00] <Forecaster> research
L215[07:43:06] <MGR> ahhh
L216[07:43:12] <MGR> Research Center 3 unlock?
L217[07:43:17] <Forecaster> I need 940 billion to buy the next Research paper bonus
L218[07:43:26] <Forecaster> level 7
L219[07:43:29] <MGR> ahh
L220[07:43:35] <MGR> bonus per paper, or more papers?
L221[07:43:47] <Forecaster> per paper
L222[07:43:52] <MGR> noice
L223[07:43:56] <MGR> what's the boost?
L224[07:44:06] <Forecaster> 20%
L225[07:44:26] <Forecaster> currently the factory produces 1647/t
L226[07:44:53] <Forecaster> it should go up to almost 2k
L227[07:45:09] <MGR> I'm doing 297/t
L228[07:45:24] <Forecaster> hopefully it'll shave a few hours off of the 1 and ½ day to reach tanks
L229[07:45:30] <MGR> yeah
L230[07:45:38] <MGR> Forecaster, rockets are the final item to make
L231[07:45:44] <Forecaster> yep
L232[07:45:49] <MGR> I wonder if they come right after tanks, or if there are intermediaries
L233[07:46:17] <Forecaster> no, it's tanks -> rockets
L234[07:47:48] <MGR> I looked up a rocket factory
L235[07:47:54] <MGR> It's incredible
L236[07:47:56] <MGR> so much stuff
L237[07:48:07] <Forecaster> I'm not spoiling it for myself :P
L238[07:48:36] <MGR> Forecaster, it looks really complicated
L239[07:48:47] <MGR> which makes it a good target for design density optimization though!
L240[07:49:57] <MGR> 149M RP
L241[07:57:34] <Forecaster> There!
L242[07:57:41] <MGR> same here
L243[07:57:44] <MGR> I have guns!
L244[07:57:46] <Forecaster> 940 billion spent in one click
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L246[07:58:09] <Forecaster> rp production went up to 1976 as predicted
L247[07:58:16] <Forecaster> new total is 4388
L248[07:58:22] <Forecaster> per tick
L249[07:58:35] <Forecaster> new eta is 1d 9h
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L251[07:58:40] <Forecaster> instead of 1d 12h
L252[07:58:57] <Forecaster> generating another 940b is going to take 24h
L253[07:59:42] <MGR> crappppp
L254[07:59:51] <Forecaster> ?
L255[07:59:52] <MGR> I forgot that I've run into the frequency wall with iron buyers
L256[08:00:08] <Forecaster> frequency?
L257[08:00:41] <MGR> it needs more than 1 out conveyor
L258[08:00:54] <MGR> Which reduces density due to increased routing requirements
L259[08:01:13] <Forecaster> ah, yeah
L260[08:01:21] <Forecaster> time to upgrade conveyors :P
L261[08:02:03] <Forecaster> it's only 1 trillion
L262[08:03:13] <MGR> Forecaster, gee whiz, so cheap
L263[08:03:28] <MGR> I also don't even see that upgrade
L264[08:04:08] <Forecaster> maybe you unlock it with engines
L265[08:04:23] <Forecaster> when it's unlocked it's in the top left of the upgrade screen
L266[08:04:45] <MGR> must be engines
L267[08:05:11] <MGR> In any event, bullets provide me $35k/t, and that's with almost all of my factory filled with research
L268[08:05:46] <Forecaster> guns*
L269[08:05:57] <Forecaster> you can't sell bullets :P
L270[08:06:11] <MGR> psh
L271[08:06:23] <MGR> Also, why are explosive buyers so expensive to upgrade?!
L272[08:06:31] <Forecaster> I dunno
L273[08:06:56] <MGR> all the gun stuff is super expensive
L274[08:07:04] <MGR> damn
L275[08:07:15] <MGR> alright, let's revise my design to drive density up
L276[08:07:23] <Forecaster> the engines are even more expensive :P
L277[08:07:36] <Forecaster> but slighly less complicated
L278[08:09:30] <MGR> well, I managed to get a 20% density boost
L279[08:09:31] <MGR> whoo
L280[08:14:50] <SolraBizna> GreaseMonkey: I now have what looks like a working config, the only remaining steps are checking if it targets your platform successfully, and the question of whether (like OC-ARM) OCMIPS has support for the opposite endianness
L281[08:16:31] <Caitlyn> g I'd love to test, but I'm running out of time, and I'm getting a class not found error sooooooo
L282[08:17:01] <Caitlyn> fun note... the fucking class IS there... forge is just being fucking retarded again
L283[08:17:32] <MGR> Forecaster, I somehow managed to fit 2 gun factories in my original room in my original factory
L284[08:17:34] <MGR> It's incredible
L285[08:17:40] <Forecaster> nice
L286[08:18:02] <SolraBizna> Forecaster: I totally forgot... link me again?
L287[08:18:20] <Forecaster> towerofawesome.org/calctwopointoh/
L288[08:19:59] <Caitlyn> ._. and it only happens on my locally built copy wtf
L289[08:20:21] <Forecaster> :O
L290[08:20:43] <SolraBizna> well, I can tell you right now it's the fuel_slot that's offset, but I'm not even sure how it's being positioned
L291[08:21:05] <SolraBizna> try deleting the newlines between the fuel_slots
L292[08:23:58] <Forecaster> there shouldn't be any line breaks
L293[08:24:35] <MGR> Forecaster, now that my factory doesn't have magically disappearing wastes, it's "safer"
L294[08:24:37] <SolraBizna> I'm looking at the source and they're there
L295[08:24:51] <MGR> It only has a chance of massive explosions from all the high-explosives I have lying around
L296[08:25:06] <Forecaster> SolraBizna: do you mean like <br> elements?
L297[08:25:19] <Forecaster> I don't know what you're seeing
L298[08:25:21] <SolraBizna> I mean line breaks within the source, not <br>
L299[08:26:18] <Forecaster> okay, I put all the slots on a single line, now it's broken for me
L300[08:26:48] <SolraBizna> now they're too close together for me
L301[08:27:03] <SolraBizna> but now you're also in complete control of their positioning, without rendered spaces interfering
L302[08:27:15] <SolraBizna> it looks like you just need a 2px margin between them
L303[08:27:22] <SolraBizna> or maybe to make the slot 2px wider
L304[08:27:25] <g> Caitlyn, forge is fucky like that way more than it should be
L305[08:27:29] <Forecaster> the code looks worse though
L306[08:27:29] <g> (sorry, I was out)
L307[08:27:34] <g> it's okay if you don't push fixes quickly
L308[08:27:40] <SolraBizna> yeah, but anywhere you have whitespace, it's text
L309[08:27:42] <g> we're kinda used to dealing with stuff like that by now
L310[08:27:45] <SolraBizna> and I don't know a way around that
L311[08:28:10] <Forecaster> it would be fine if browsers handled it the same way :|
L312[08:28:18] <SolraBizna> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2628050/ignore-whitespace-in-html#2629446 <-- here's an alternative to eating *all* the linebreaks
L313[08:28:42] <Caitlyn> the same exact source built on my CI works fine though...
L314[08:28:46] <Caitlyn> wut
L315[08:29:08] <Caitlyn> well.. now I have to setup a 1.10.2 server and crap so it'll have to be tonight
L316[08:29:36] <g> No problem, take your time
L317[08:29:46] <g> IRL comes first
L318[08:30:47] <Caitlyn> I've got forge and stuff setup FOR the server.. but it's 8:30 and work calls sadly
L319[08:31:17] <g> seriously, don't worry :P
L320[08:31:35] <Caitlyn> It's truck day and I have the plague... I'd MUCH rather stay home and mess with code
L321[08:31:49] <g> oh boy
L322[08:33:27] <g> yeah the radios are honestly super popular on the server
L323[08:33:39] <g> so we've been using them a lot
L324[08:33:52] <g> we have asie's tape drives as well (he isn't in here?), but nobody's tried those yet
L325[08:35:26] <Caitlyn> g, can't reproduce on 1.10.2 with the exact forge version you have on this test build with a few minor changes.. I'll try 18 tonight unless you wanna try exp 1 some time today
L326[08:35:26] <MGR> Forecaster, you know what guns doesn't do?
L327[08:35:32] <Izaya> So
L328[08:35:40] <Caitlyn> g http://ci.pc-logix.com/job/OpenFM-1.9.4-Exp/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/build/libs/OpenFM-1.9.4-0.1.0.1.jar <-- Exp 1
L329[08:35:42] <Izaya> I built a kernel from the stock config and kernel source
L330[08:35:45] <g> if you can't reproduce it may be foamfix
L331[08:35:46] <Izaya> It doesn't boot.
L332[08:35:46] <Forecaster> save lives?
L333[08:35:46] <MGR> hello Izaya, my friend ?
L334[08:35:46] <Caitlyn> anyway I'm running late :p
L335[08:35:47] <Caitlyn> afk
L336[08:35:48] <Izaya> ._.
L337[08:35:55] <MGR> Forecaster, make waste
L338[08:35:58] <g> o/
L339[08:36:03] <Forecaster> that they do not
L340[08:36:04] <MGR> bye Mimiru
L341[08:36:11] <Izaya> I can't decide whether to blame Motorola, Cyanogenmod or google
L342[08:36:23] <MGR> blame me
L343[08:36:35] <g> the answer is yes
L344[08:36:39] <g> that is to say, blame all of them
L345[08:36:39] <g> >:
L346[08:36:42] <g> :>*
L347[08:36:50] <Izaya> works for me
L348[08:36:52] <MGR> g, I secretly broke Izaya's stuff
L349[08:37:11] <Izaya> MGR, what's the address I'm building it on?
L350[08:37:23] <MGR> you know which one
L351[08:37:30] <MGR> 564646487
L352[08:37:36] <Izaya> wrong
L353[08:37:38] <Izaya> try again
L354[08:37:44] <MGR> 54654647897875481211.30131
L355[08:38:09] <Izaya> still wrong
L356[08:38:34] <MGR> 5465464789787548121130131
L357[08:38:56] <Izaya> hint
L358[08:39:05] <Izaya> it's somewhere in the 192.168.0.0/16 block
L359[08:39:16] <MGR> 192.168.10.158
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L362[08:39:55] <Izaya> no
L363[08:40:21] <MGR> is the 192.168.10.* right?
L364[08:41:54] <Izaya> no
L365[08:41:59] <MGR> ok
L366[08:42:09] <Izaya> ie the first 16 bits are the same
L367[08:42:16] <Izaya> do you even CIDR
L368[08:42:49] <MGR> Seeing as I don't want to write ~1 million messages in the chat, and the ops would get mad if I programmed a computer to type 1 million messages, I'm going to not keep guessing
L369[08:42:56] <MGR> Izaya, I GERT
L370[08:43:37] <Izaya> GERT?
L371[08:43:52] <MGR> one sec
L372[08:44:09] <MGR> gotta find the bookmark
L373[08:44:56] <MGR> here we go
L374[08:44:57] <MGR> https://gist.github.com/Gavle/ce05e8621d07e625274ad6a46c446b4f
L375[08:46:11] <Izaya> oh
L376[08:46:13] <Izaya> a
L377[08:46:15] <Izaya> pun
L378[08:46:17] <Izaya> wonderful
L379[08:46:19] <Izaya> kill me now
L380[08:46:31] <MGR> pun?
L381[08:49:05] * Lizzy kills Izaya
L382[08:49:16] <Izaya> thanks
L383[08:49:22] <MGR> Izaya, what's the pun?
L384[08:51:55] <Lizzy> urghh, this backup has been stuck on 97% for the past 4 hours
L385[08:53:05] <20kdc> "GERT is copyright of Global Empire. All rights reserved until further notice (this will change)." *sighs*
L386[08:53:16] <20kdc> welp
L387[08:53:21] <20kdc> time to start openGERT
L388[08:53:33] <MGR> @20kdc openGERT is just going to be GERT
L389[08:53:50] <MGR> literally the second Gavle and I manage to make the first draft of an implementation in Lua, the license is going to be opened
L390[08:54:06] <Izaya> why not open it now?
L391[08:54:17] <Izaya> oh fuck I can't be bothered to argue this again
L392[08:54:40] <Izaya> 20kdc, I'll join the openGERT Alliance
L393[08:54:43] <Izaya> against the evil empire
L394[08:54:59] <MGR> Izaya, fine, I'll contact Gavle to change it
L395[08:55:06] <20kdc> Izaya: Actually, reading this, there's flaws in it
L396[08:55:13] <MGR> @20kdc what flaws?
L397[08:55:20] <Izaya> tbh I won't end up using it probably
L398[08:55:28] <20kdc> Well, the procedure says that it believes the first GENS server it can contact absolutely
L399[08:55:32] <20kdc> which means if one of them's missing entries
L400[08:55:33] <20kdc> welp
L401[08:55:42] <Izaya> actually I don't see why I couldn't connect this shit to Minetest
L402[08:56:07] <MGR> @20kdc yes, that's because the GENS servers update each other
L403[08:56:19] <MGR> there's behind-the-scenes efforts
L404[08:56:31] <MGR> Izaya, you can use GERT routing for anything the Ocranet can connect to
L405[08:56:39] <MGR> which is literally anything that can handle HTTP+TCP
L406[08:56:46] <Izaya> can I skip the HTTP part?
L407[08:56:50] <Izaya> I'm allergic to HTTP
L408[08:57:13] <Izaya> oooh it's compiling the kernel
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L410[08:57:43] <MGR> Izaya, it could...
L411[08:57:46] <MGR> but it would be more work
L412[08:58:09] <Izaya> MGR, or I could use someone else's thing that doesn't need HTTP
L413[08:58:20] <MGR> Izaya, I'll see what Gavle says
L414[08:58:42] <MGR> Izaya, also, why do you not like HTTP?
L415[08:58:52] <Izaya> http itself is okay
L416[08:59:01] <Izaya> http being used for stuff it shouldn't isn't
L417[08:59:16] <MGR> Izaya, HTTP is literally used to just download a list of GENS servers
L418[08:59:18] <MGR> that is all
L419[08:59:31] <Lizzy> what about stuff like softether that can use it to get around common firewall blocks?
L420[08:59:33] <Izaya> so I could have the user provide their own
L421[08:59:38] <Lizzy> or rather, https
L422[08:59:50] <Izaya> Lizzy: I can tunnel ssh over a http proxy
L423[08:59:55] <Izaya> pretending to be https
L424[08:59:56] <MGR> Lizzy, GERT does not rely on HTTP for outgoing communication
L425[09:00:07] * CompanionCube declines to comment at this time
L426[09:00:11] <MGR> Izaya, yes, but having a central list is more robust
L427[09:00:17] <20kdc> ..."enterprise grade failure tolerance"?
L428[09:00:21] <MGR> CompanionCube, comment on the GitHub page or PM Gavle
L429[09:00:21] <20kdc> uhoh.
L430[09:00:40] <CompanionCube> why not store a basic list locally
L431[09:00:45] <CompanionCube> a la the 'root hints file'
L432[09:00:46] <Izaya> MGR, perhaps so, but I'm not writing something to do http requests
L433[09:00:53] <MGR> CompanionCube, that was my idea to replace HTTP
L434[09:00:54] <Izaya> wget isn't hard to use
L435[09:00:59] <MGR> Izaya, then you won't
L436[09:01:03] <Lizzy> MGR i was asking Izaya the question, not talking about GERT
L437[09:01:20] <MGR> I'll have Gavle not use HTTP in his GERTe OC implementation
L438[09:01:21] <Lizzy> Izaya, i guess
L439[09:01:29] <MGR> Lizzy, ok
L440[09:01:39] <CompanionCube> or just broadcast a request for GENS servers.
L441[09:01:44] <Izaya> Lizzy: I argue what you're talking about is abuse, not misuse
L442[09:01:57] <Forecaster> SolraBizna: does it look correct now?
L443[09:02:20] <MGR> CompanionCube, I'll probably do a local list, and then connect to them and ask the GENS server for a list so that the GERTe gateway can update its local copy
L444[09:02:29] <CompanionCube> that's a good idea
L445[09:02:46] <Lizzy> although one thing which i found out recently is that Nginx has a 'stream core module' which can basically be set up to deal with stuff like openvpn or whatever over the same ports as web traffic
L446[09:02:49] <Izaya> so who else was doing external ocranet stuff?
L447[09:03:47] <Lizzy> in other news, 2 hours of my apprenticeship role left
L448[09:04:21] <g> I wish I knew about that when I used a vpn
L449[09:04:30] <MGR> Izaya, GERT is the official routing protocol of the ocranet
L450[09:04:36] <g> I used iptables to route cloudflare traffic to a different port to get around it
L451[09:04:37] <g> lol
L452[09:04:46] <MGR> and to my knowledge, it's the only external one, because it's simple and easy to use
L453[09:06:34] * CompanionCube prefers to avoid using HTTP as a generic network protocol
L454[09:06:39] <20kdc> Where is the Ocranet spec, anyway?
L455[09:06:51] <20kdc> As in, full specification. Not this stuff which doesn't actually give much detail.
L456[09:06:59] <CompanionCube> I don't think it exists yet :p
L457[09:07:13] <MGR> CompanionCube, and it will not be used in the GERT implementations
L458[09:07:23] <MGR> @20kdc what detail is lacking from the GERT whitepaper?
L459[09:08:01] <Izaya> MGR, NNR?
L460[09:08:43] <CompanionCube> Izaya: network-network something i believe
L461[09:09:06] <MGR> Izaya, that's intra-server only from what I believe
L462[09:09:13] <MGR> or maybe not, idk, ask Gavle
L463[09:09:16] <20kdc> MGR: everything needed to actually implement it, like message formats
L464[09:09:19] <MGR> @Gavle come on man
L465[09:09:45] <MGR> @20kdc Gavle and I are hard at work on a GERT implementation
L466[09:10:13] <Izaya> But where are the specs
L467[09:10:14] <MGR> That will serve as a reference doc
L468[09:10:16] <Izaya> Not the implementation
L469[09:10:18] <Izaya> the specs
L470[09:10:19] <MGR> Izaya, the specs for what?
L471[09:10:43] <Gavle> wargh
L472[09:10:44] <Gavle> I'm here
L473[09:10:51] <Izaya> oh now there's two of them
L474[09:10:58] <Izaya> I'm going to bed.
L475[09:11:14] <Gavle> Izaya, you want to know about NNR, right?
L476[09:11:30] <SolraBizna> Forecaster: yes
L477[09:11:36] <20kdc> Ok, if I was just sending raw packets, how would those packets be formatted?
L478[09:11:39] <Gavle> NNR is developed by S3 mainly for infra-server connections I believe
L479[09:12:06] <Gavle> I'm not fully up-to-date on it because I've been busy assisting MGR with modularizing+modernizing TACEATS2 and GERT
L480[09:12:26] <Gavle> @20kdc are you talking about the GERT routing packet, or the underlaying Ocranet signaling packet?
L481[09:12:38] <20kdc> Gavle: Underlying packets.
L482[09:12:47] <Gavle> not my domain
L483[09:12:52] <Gavle> S3 handles that
L484[09:13:00] <Gavle> I just work on making sure they show up at their destination
L485[09:13:03] <20kdc> Ah.
L486[09:13:28] <Gavle> @20kdc to my knowledge, there's very little detail on how Ocranet's signaling protocol is going to work
L487[09:13:42] <Gavle> I DO need to update the GERT whitepaper with GERT packet formatting though
L488[09:13:57] <Gavle> It's roughly destination, Ocranet packet, sender
L489[09:14:06] <Gavle> Subject to change at any time
L490[09:14:29] <Gavle> Izaya, did you go to bed?
L491[09:14:53] <Forecaster> wee
L492[09:14:55] <Lizzy> he most likely did
L493[09:14:58] <Gavle> Ok
L494[09:14:59] <Forecaster> I hate web development sometimes
L495[09:15:06] <Lizzy> lol?
L496[09:15:24] <Forecaster> or more specifically, browsers that don't follow the same standards as everyone else
L497[09:15:38] <Gavle> Does anyone else have any questions, complaints, issues, rages, etc. about GERT?
L498[09:16:04] <Forecaster> what is gert
L499[09:16:04] <CompanionCube> Forecaster: so, would that be IE?
L500[09:16:08] <TheCryptek> Forecaster: That's what 'hacks' is
L501[09:16:18] <TheCryptek> Or rather called workarounds :P
L502[09:16:21] <Gavle> Forecaster, https://gist.github.com/Gavle/ce05e8621d07e625274ad6a46c446b4f
L503[09:16:34] <Gavle> It's the official routing protocol for the Ocranet
L504[09:16:39] <Forecaster> ah
L505[09:16:55] <Gavle> Designed for ease-of-use, ease-of-setup, flexibility, and reliability
L506[09:17:05] <Lizzy> speaking of web dev, over the christmas break i need to get my site updated and shit
L507[09:17:23] <Gavle> Forecaster, and it is subdivided into 3 specifications
L508[09:17:36] <Gavle> GERTe v0.1, GERTi v0.1, and GENS v0.1
L509[09:17:41] <20kdc> ...I just found another flaw in GERT
L510[09:17:43] <Lizzy> 1.75 hours of work left
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L512[09:18:09] <20kdc> GERTe servers must *directly contact each other* by the looks of the spec
L513[09:18:16] <20kdc> which means that every server has to whitelist every other server
L514[09:18:51] * Lizzy wanders off to make a list of stuff she needs to work on over the christmas break
L515[09:19:36] <20kdc> there's no way to bounce a connection off of another GERT server, using the GENS servers to get information about which GERT servers can contact which
L516[09:20:03] <TheCryptek> Gavle: How do I get a hold of Gert?
L517[09:20:15] <Gavle> @20kdc um
L518[09:20:22] <Gavle> uh
L519[09:20:24] <Gavle> yeah
L520[09:20:32] <Lizzy> grasp it firmly, TheCryptek
L521[09:20:32] <Gavle> TheCryptek, GERT is not a person
L522[09:20:56] <TheCryptek> Gavle: I ment obtain the program/code etc :P
L523[09:20:57] <Gavle> @20kdc I designed it that way so there doesn't have to be servers that get flooded with TCP traffic
L524[09:21:03] * TheCryptek Grasp's lizzy firmly :o
L525[09:21:05] <Gavle> TheCryptek, that is forthcoming
L526[09:21:11] <Gavle> soon-ish
L527[09:21:18] <TheCryptek> Gavle: Oh okay still in development, gotcha
L528[09:21:18] <Gavle> I'm working on it when I can
L529[09:21:19] <20kdc> Gavle: Yes, it should contact directly *where possible*
L530[09:21:23] <Lizzy> :O
L531[09:21:28] <TheCryptek> :o
L532[09:21:28] * Lizzy whacks TheCryptek
L533[09:21:39] * TheCryptek laughs his buttocks off
L534[09:21:40] <20kdc> but it's likely that for adoption purposes you will *have* to allow bouncing a connection off of one server to another
L535[09:21:41] * Lizzy runs away and hides behind vifino
L536[09:22:04] <Gavle> @20kdc I suppose I could co-opt GENS servers for that...
L537[09:22:11] <Gavle> I'll see what I can do
L538[09:22:29] <20kdc> GENS servers can simply be used for routing information. They don't have to be used as proxies.
L539[09:22:33] <CompanionCube> http://nonwhiteheterosexualmalelicense.org/
L540[09:22:41] <CompanionCube> the absolute fucking fuck is this garbage
L541[09:22:55] <Gavle> @20kdc then PM me with more details please
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L543[09:23:07] <Gavle> TheCryptek, yes GERT is in development, but so is Ocranet
L544[09:23:14] <Gavle> my goal is to release the 2 simultaneously
L545[09:23:27] <TheCryptek> Gavle: That should be a wonder of a time :P
L546[09:23:37] <CompanionCube> the link looks to serious to be satire
L547[09:24:01] <Lizzy> in that case i am not going to even bother looking at it
L548[09:24:08] <Gavle> TheCryptek, ?
L549[09:24:11] <Gavle> Lizzy, looking at what?
L550[09:24:28] <Lizzy> the link CC posted
L551[09:24:29] <TheCryptek> CompanionCube: LOL Sounds like something I would use just for the lulz
L552[09:24:49] <Gavle> ok
L553[09:26:23] <CompanionCube> because, licensing terms that differ on how far you are from the majority is totally a god idea
L554[09:26:40] <TheCryptek> CompanionCube: I said for the lulz I'd never enforce it xD
L555[09:27:33] <CompanionCube> TheCryptek: I know
L556[09:27:50] <CompanionCube> but i think the person behind this not only drank the kool-aid
L557[09:27:56] <CompanionCube> but has entirely replaced water with it
L558[09:28:05] <TheCryptek> CompanionCube: And possibly snorted it xD
L559[09:28:47] <CompanionCube> If a government or institution is not 51% female, 34% non-white and %4 LGBT it represents a boys club, not the people.' this is wrong on many levels
L560[09:29:37] <TheCryptek> Its funny
L561[09:29:44] <TheCryptek> I mean the idiocy of it is funny
L562[09:30:56] <TheCryptek> On a serious note... I will just stick with GNUv3
L563[09:31:58] <TheCryptek> AFK
L564[09:32:51] <CompanionCube> TheCryptek: I would hope no-one ever uses this
L565[09:33:11] <Forecaster> "Fight discrimination by discriminating"
L566[09:34:32] <Lizzy> Forecaster, i think that's every tumblr feminist's motto
L567[09:35:25] <CompanionCube> Forecaster: He who fights monsters may end up becoming one.
L568[09:37:39] <Forecaster> indeed
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L571[09:42:28] <Gavle> So, in new news, the GENS server portion of the GERT standard is going to be redone
L572[09:42:31] <Gavle> significantly
L573[09:43:05] <Gavle> GERTi will remain the same, GERTe will change in a small enough way to be basically the same, so it's just the GENS section that went out-of-date
L574[09:45:32] <Izaya> at which point I remember I can't sleep anyway
L575[09:45:34] <Izaya> so uh
L576[09:45:48] <Izaya> from the license on that document
L577[09:45:59] <Izaya> if I were to replicate it
L578[09:46:07] <Izaya> I'd be fucking with copyright, no?
L579[09:46:44] <Gavle> Izaya, if you can hold on to your pants for 24 hours, I can redo the license
L580[09:46:48] <Gavle> I'm supposed to be "working"
L581[09:47:29] <Gavle> I will make it more open Today or Tomorrow
L582[09:47:49] <TheCryptek> CompanionCube: Agreed
L583[09:47:58] <Gavle> Just exercise some patience, and I will try to stop having my head encounter my desk repeatedly
L584[09:49:01] <Izaya> https://lain.shadowkat.net/~izaya/gert.txt Sue me.
L585[09:49:36] <Izaya> What sort of fucked up thought process led to you having all rights reserved on documentation by default?
L586[09:49:41] <Gavle> Izaya, your lawsuit is in the mail
L587[09:49:50] <Gavle> Izaya, it went like this
L588[09:50:07] <Gavle> 1. I have a cool standard, but it isn't done yet because I've done 0 implementation testing
L589[09:50:15] <TheCryptek> WAIT
L590[09:50:22] <TheCryptek> You can make your own license that people have to follow?
L591[09:50:25] <Gavle> 2. Oh no, I've done 0 implementation testing, that means the standard could change
L592[09:50:46] <Gavle> 3. Let's publish the rough draft of the standard so people can comment on it
L593[09:51:17] <Gavle> 4. Let's copyright the document temporarily so people don't go trying to implement a standard that WILL (and is already confirmed to) change
L594[09:51:39] <Gavle> 5. Awesome, I've done implementation testing and the standard won't change before release
L595[09:51:44] <Gavle> 6. Time to open up that license
L596[09:52:09] <Gavle> TheCryptek, if people want to use your stuff, then yes
L597[09:52:14] <Izaya> Where's the issue if people want to implement older versions?
L598[09:52:26] <Gavle> Izaya, because I want to avoid fragmentation
L599[09:52:29] <Izaya> It gives them a head start for when the actual standard comes out
L600[09:52:46] <TheCryptek> Gavle: But I am saying I can set up my own license stating that it can only be used, not modified or re-distributed in any way and people have to follow that licence?
L601[09:52:49] <Gavle> This is so half-baked, it hasn't even hit the oven yet
L602[09:53:01] <Gavle> Izaya, I don't want them to have to re-write huge portions of code
L603[09:53:11] <Gavle> TheCryptek, if they want to use that code, yes
L604[09:53:22] <TheCryptek> Holy crap
L605[09:53:23] <Izaya> If they implement the pre-release standard that's their problem though
L606[09:53:34] <TheCryptek> I need to go work on my license
L607[09:53:58] <Gavle> Izaya, but I don't want people complaining to me because its my standard
L608[09:54:17] <Izaya> it's on them though
L609[09:54:58] <Gavle> yes
L610[09:55:09] <Gavle> Izaya, can you just wait please
L611[09:55:14] <Izaya> #### make completed successfully (01:24:02 (hh:mm:ss)) ####
L612[09:55:17] <Gavle> I swear I will try to come through as best I can
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L614[09:56:25] <Gavle> Izaya, if you have anything else to say, please PM A. my bouncer on IRC. B. Me on Discord
L615[09:56:37] <Gavle> I will try to answer as timely as I can
L616[09:56:38] <CompanionCube> TheCryptek: I'd advise against it
L617[09:56:54] <CompanionCube> the standard licenses are nearly always the better choice
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L619[09:57:13] <TheCryptek> CompanionCube: I usually just stick with GNUv3
L620[09:57:22] <CompanionCube> it's GPLv3 damnit
L621[09:57:23] * Izaya likes the MIT license
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L624[09:58:03] <CompanionCube> my favourite license is Artistic V2 but I usually use MIT because it's simpler
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L626[09:59:14] <TheCryptek> I only use GNUv3 because I know that license and I am too lazy to read the others :P
L627[09:59:56] <CompanionCube> TheCryptek: GNU is the project
L628[09:59:59] <CompanionCube> GPL is the licnese
L629[10:00:01] <Corded> * Gavle is afk
L630[10:00:09] <Corded> * Gavle is really far away from keyboard
L631[10:00:09] <TheCryptek> Well
L632[10:01:03] <TheCryptek> CompanionCube: I do stand corrected after checking a repo of mine on github its GPLv3 thank you for the correction :P
L633[10:01:36] <MGR> Gnu Public License
L634[10:01:40] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/TKDXLdr.png I'm gonna die of old age before this finishes >.>
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L636[10:02:03] <Izaya> GNU General Public License
L637[10:02:34] <MGR> ah
L638[10:02:36] <TheCryptek> Izaya: it's going faster then what my current build for my phone went :P
L639[10:02:37] <MGR> I stand corrected
L640[10:03:30] <Izaya> TheCryptek: the difference is, I dunno if this will actually boot.
L641[10:04:04] <TheCryptek> Izaya: Well, if anything, its trial and error, you will get more 'doesn't boot' then 'will boot'
L642[10:04:39] <TheCryptek> Learned that one the hard way and 3 bricked phones
L643[10:04:39] <Izaya> TheCryptek: okay but this is stock config and stuff
L644[10:04:46] <TheCryptek> Izaya: Oh
L645[10:04:59] <Izaya> it didn't boot before
L646[10:05:03] <Izaya> but I did a full clean build
L647[10:05:40] <TheCryptek> Izaya: I don't know why I thought you was building CM13 from scratch like I did with my phone because my phone wasn't supported, [and because I never uploaded my build for other CM users my phone is still technically not supported]
L648[10:05:53] <Izaya> literally mka clobber; brunch osprey
L649[10:08:25] <Izaya> righto
L650[10:08:30] <Izaya> that boot.img doesn't work
L651[10:10:33] <TheCryptek> Does it spit out an error?
L652[10:10:52] <Izaya> It hangs at the 'WARNING: BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED' screen
L653[10:11:07] <Izaya> apparently the way to debug this is to attach wires to the UART on the board on the phone
L654[10:11:12] <TheCryptek> Do you know how to use logcat?
L655[10:11:12] <Izaya> which I will not do
L656[10:11:36] <TheCryptek> Just logcat it.
L657[10:11:43] <Izaya> Uh
L658[10:11:46] <Izaya> that would be great
L659[10:11:48] <TheCryptek> For that all you need is a USB and ADB
L660[10:11:54] <Izaya> if it got to the point where it mounted filesystems
L661[10:11:56] <Izaya> Uh
L662[10:11:58] <TheCryptek> Oh
L663[10:12:01] <Izaya> I have fastboot/adb set up
L664[10:12:03] <TheCryptek> It's not mounting filesystems
L665[10:12:07] <Izaya> I'm not an idiot
L666[10:12:16] <TheCryptek> Didn't say ya was. :P
L667[10:12:55] <TheCryptek> I do agree with you on now using some wires to attach to the UART
L668[10:13:09] <TheCryptek> now -> not
L669[10:16:03] <Izaya> yeah uh
L670[10:16:05] <Izaya> I can't logcat
L671[10:16:10] <Izaya> because it doesn't even show up in adb
L672[10:16:45] <Izaya> while it's booting the custom kernel that is
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L674[10:17:18] <Izaya> and it doesn't have logs from that boot
L675[10:19:09] <Izaya> I'm assuming because it never even properly loads the kernel or initrd
L676[10:22:29] <Izaya> ETA: about an hour
L677[10:22:33] <Izaya> I'm gonna go take a nap
L678[10:35:13] <MGR> Forecaster, I'm going for analytics now
L679[10:35:33] <MGR> with guns providing more "bang" for the space unit, I can increase my research production
L680[10:35:34] <MGR> heh
L681[10:36:20] <Forecaster> :P
L682[10:36:37] <Lizzy> 20 minutes left, lets start packing
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L685[10:53:04] <Lizzy> On way home, work email sync on my phone has been disabled and won't be re-enabled until the new year
L686[11:04:53] <MGR> that's bad?
L687[11:06:11] <SolraBizna> this group was faster than the first one becaues ~40 pages are just for the slightly different encodings of load/store
L688[11:17:53] <TheCryptek> izaya: I don't know how to help ya with that issue, it sounds like a boot loop almost though.
L689[11:18:15] <Lizzy> @MGR ?
L690[11:19:27] <MGR> @Lizzy is the email sync being disabled bad?
L691[11:19:36] <Lizzy> no?
L692[11:19:42] <MGR> ok?
L693[11:20:21] <Lizzy> it's the christmas holidays so i just turned it all off since i'm not going to care about work till i go back on the 3rd
L694[11:20:30] <MGR> ahhh ok
L695[11:20:40] <MGR> I thought work turned it off
L696[11:20:46] <Lizzy> ah, no
L697[11:20:50] <MGR> my bad
L698[11:21:17] <Lizzy> though unless someone has extended my AD account it's gonna be disabled tomorrow anyway so i'd just start getting sync errors
L699[11:21:26] * TheCryptek dances around #oc floor
L700[11:21:29] <Lizzy> i'll get it reenabled in the new year
L701[11:21:54] <MGR> @Lizzy well, hooray for no errors
L702[11:23:17] <MGR> Meanwhile, I'm saving up for analytics research
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L711[12:21:00] <Mettaton_Fab> ooh, a Sangar!
L712[12:21:50] <Forecaster> his bouncer/client just reconnected
L713[12:28:34] <Lizzy> hexchat wtf
L714[12:35:32] <CompanionCube> hahah. appaarently, you can't use the license used earlier on github
L715[12:35:55] <Forecaster> ?
L716[12:36:33] <CompanionCube> Forecaster: someone tried to make a software license that discriminates against one race/gender/sex
L717[12:36:43] <Forecaster> I know
L718[12:36:46] <Forecaster> I commented on that
L719[12:36:50] <Forecaster> earlier
L720[12:36:51] <Forecaster> :P
L721[12:37:01] <CompanionCube> so
L722[12:37:05] <20kdc> wait... what? someone actually wrote a license like that?
L723[12:37:06] <CompanionCube> someone tried to use it
L724[12:37:20] <CompanionCube> then this happened: https://github.com/hannesm/jackline/commit/5e14dd6282e045140cef7a9d5bb86ad491a054c1
L725[12:38:51] <Lizzy> lol, what a fucktard
L726[12:40:23] <20kdc> After actually reading the license, I think the note that needs to be given is that discrimination is still discrimination. Putting it the "opposite way around from normal" doesn't balance anything.
L727[12:41:41] <Lizzy> also i like how the commit message said "decided to remove the license", lol no it was either you remove it or github will do it for you
L728[12:42:10] <Forecaster> s/do it for you/terminate the repo
L729[12:42:10] <MichiBot> <Lizzy> also i like how the commit message said "decided to remove the license", lol no it was either you remove it or github will terminate the repo
L730[12:42:37] <Forecaster> which I suppose also removes the license :P
L731[12:42:42] <Lizzy> yeah
L732[12:43:12] <Caitlyn> ...
L733[12:43:13] <Caitlyn> wow
L734[12:43:14] <Caitlyn> wat
L735[12:49:34] <Skye> that licence is trivially defeatable by getting someone who is allowed to relicence it to relicnce it
L736[12:49:56] <MGR> hah
L737[12:52:06] <Caitlyn> as a white non heterosexual non male.. I'd do so if needed.. :P
L738[12:52:32] <20kdc> Skye: And since history is immutable, that's still possible. It's the principle of the thing, though. I guess it *would* be a nice way to annoy the author of such a license...
L739[12:53:05] <20kdc> ...and prevent them from trying anything similar in future.
L740[12:53:09] <Skye> Caitlyn, exactly!
L741[12:55:07] <20kdc> (Additional note. Attempting to click on a laugh emoji to attempt to see who "gdude2002" is, will result in accidentally joining the laugh emoji. Beware the laugh emoji, for it is all-encompassing.)
L742[12:55:20] <MGR> @20kdc Depending on your interpretation of physics, history is not immutable
L743[12:55:53] <Skye> history is an illusion
L744[12:56:04] <20kdc> MGR: Maybe, but for the purposes of this (Git repository, which I presume people have cloned backups of), history *might as well* be immutable.
L745[12:56:22] <g> weird
L746[12:56:25] <MGR> Skye, what???
L747[12:56:27] <g> I mean, I'm gdude200 on discord
L748[12:56:29] <g> but I'm not on there
L749[12:56:30] <20kdc> The whole point of Git is to try and keep history immutable unless everybody agrees to change things, and they can compare their local copy to see where and how it has changed.
L750[12:56:32] <g> gdude2002*
L751[12:56:44] <MGR> @20kdc yes
L752[12:56:48] <20kdc> g: Well, I see emojis.
L753[12:57:02] <MGR> but, technically, time travel could change the Git repo
L754[12:57:03] <g> whaddayamean you see emoji
L755[12:57:04] <Caitlyn> g, the reactions show you as gdude2002 on github :P
L756[12:57:12] <MGR> I could go back in time and convince the author to not use that license
L757[12:57:12] <20kdc> g: Also, yay fluttershy!
L758[12:57:15] <g> oh he's talking about github
L759[12:57:17] <g> yeah
L760[12:57:18] <g> it me
L761[12:57:26] <MGR> I could go back further in time and convince the license author to not be dumb
L762[12:57:29] <g> also, yay \o/
L763[12:57:44] <MGR> I could go back even further in time and stop the Earth from forming, preventing this conversation from happening
L764[12:57:55] <20kdc> MGR: Ok, that's technically true, but that would require you had access to time travel,
L765[12:58:07] <20kdc> which would mean that every security measure on the planet is doomed from the start.
L766[12:58:25] <20kdc> Nothing protects against time-travel. Encryption? Get at the data before it's encrypted.
L767[12:58:43] <MGR> @20kdc Time travel protects against time travel
L768[12:58:50] <MGR> time travel police officers
L769[12:58:53] <MGR> everywhere, everywhen
L770[12:58:56] <CompanionCube> 20kdc: can that be done with FDE though
L771[12:59:04] <CompanionCube> unless you can extract the data fron the RAM
L772[12:59:20] <20kdc> CompanionCube: Bug the room with a camera before the FDE is set up.
L773[12:59:27] <MGR> ^^^^^^
L774[12:59:34] <MGR> or change the FDE algorithm to give you a backdoor
L775[12:59:45] <CompanionCube> screw it
L776[12:59:54] <20kdc> Even if you EMP the room you do it in, time-travel means you can backdoor anything, anywhen.
L777[12:59:55] <CompanionCube> just plant a bug/backdoor in Intel and AMD's CPU microcode
L778[12:59:59] <CompanionCube> then you're golden for everything.
L779[13:00:00] <20kdc> CompanionCube: too late
L780[13:00:11] <MGR> CompanionCube, yes
L781[13:00:28] <MGR> I just want to say, I think either A. Time travel doesn't exist B. There is time travel police
L782[13:00:28] <20kdc> did you know that processors actually have *second processors* in them nowadays
L783[13:00:32] <20kdc> for whatever screwy reason
L784[13:00:43] <MGR> Because history would be soooooooooo messed up if A is true and B is false
L785[13:00:55] <20kdc> MGR: How do you know history *isn't* messed up?
L786[13:01:05] <20kdc> Everything depends on the theory of time travel you're working on
L787[13:01:05] <MGR> @20kdc yep
L788[13:01:11] <MGR> also, multiverse theory
L789[13:01:27] <20kdc> In the "stable time loop" theory, anything any time traveller will do is already in the timeline
L790[13:01:43] <20kdc> Time travel will accomplish something, but you'll already have the results
L791[13:02:26] <20kdc> Paradoxes can't happen since then you simply just *won't* time travel
L792[13:02:48] <MGR> I would like 2 things. 1. Multiverse theory to be a thing. 2. A zetta-scale supercomputer to compute possible outcomes
L793[13:03:14] <MGR> and 3. The ability to switch Multiverses
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L795[13:04:54] <20kdc> ...that's 3 things
L796[13:05:13] <MGR> I can count
L797[13:05:33] <MGR> Maybe
L798[13:05:41] <20kdc> Also... I'd *like* a genie which executed my wishes according to my interpretation and had no restrictions, but unfortunately...
L799[13:06:46] <MGR> yeah
L800[13:06:48] <MGR> that's cool
L801[13:06:51] <20kdc> I only have computers which execute wishes according to the code I give them (Which thankfully is precise enough to allow it to be unambiguous, but mistakes happen. Never touch precedence order.) and have the restriction that everything done on them only matters from a virtual perspective.
L802[13:07:09] <MGR> @20kdc what if you created the Matrix
L803[13:07:13] <MGR> and put yourself in it
L804[13:07:19] <MGR> that would suit my purposes too
L805[13:07:41] <20kdc> I do not have the required biology knowledge. And I'm not sure, at the present time, anyone does.
L806[13:07:46] <20kdc> I'm also not a fan of biology.
L807[13:08:42] <MGR> @20kdc The Matrix requires both biology knowledge and a really fast computer
L808[13:08:57] <MGR> If you want an accurate simulation of course
L809[13:09:16] <20kdc> An accurate simulation is hardly an immediate concern.
L810[13:10:12] <MGR> @20kdc but if it's not accurate, why not just do VR
L811[13:11:03] <20kdc> Because there's a difference between accuracy and immersion.
L812[13:11:27] <MGR> but poor accuracy can break the immersion
L813[13:12:15] <20kdc> Extremely poor accuracy, yes.
L814[13:12:37] <MGR> But we're dealing with 2 situations
L815[13:12:55] <MGR> 1. A situation where I get what I wished for, in which case why would you wish for a poor Matrix simulator
L816[13:13:27] <MGR> 2. A real-world situation where the Matrix would almost certainly cost a lot more than an HTC Vive, in which case why would you pay more for poor accuracy?
L817[13:13:36] <MGR> why more for poor?
L818[13:13:39] <20kdc> If it was a situation in which you got the aforementioned multiversal access, I wouldn't need to.
L819[13:14:06] <20kdc> 2. Who knows how much the system would cost? Indeed, cost is the reason I avoid VR.
L820[13:14:25] <20kdc> At least, in the "goggles" sense.
L821[13:15:01] <Forecaster> it's new tech though
L822[13:15:06] <MGR> @20kdc I'm assuming that interfacing directly with your BRAIN would cost more than a headset
L823[13:15:10] <Forecaster> hopefully it'll get cheaper later
L824[13:15:19] <MGR> Forecaster, Matrix or VR
L825[13:15:20] <Forecaster> I wish I had money for it >:
L826[13:15:24] <Forecaster> VR
L827[13:15:28] <Forecaster> duh
L828[13:15:29] <MGR> ok
L829[13:15:35] <MGR> Forecaster, just needed to check
L830[13:15:45] <20kdc> MGR: It depends on if the brain primarily operates on electrical or chemical information transmission.
L831[13:15:45] <MGR> I don't have the money either, but maybe in a year
L832[13:15:58] <MGR> @20kdc there's a lot of both going on
L833[13:16:03] <20kdc> MGR: Electrical systems can be interfered with.
L834[13:16:14] <20kdc> ...you'd just have to make sure not to kill the subject.
L835[13:16:20] <20kdc> And that's a risk in *any* system of that kind.
L836[13:16:24] <MGR> Glial-glial is chemical, glial-neuron is chemical, neuron-neuron is electrical+chemical
L837[13:16:45] <MGR> @20kdc but you would have to stick electrodes in their brain to get precise control
L838[13:18:13] <20kdc> You don't need precise control. You need to interfere with sensors, not the actual mind itself.
L839[13:18:38] <MGR> @20kdc that wouldn't increase the immersion much more than VR though
L840[13:18:50] <20kdc> Then the entire point would be moot,
L841[13:18:55] <20kdc> and there would be no reason to even bother.
L842[13:18:57] <MGR> True Matrix-level tech would let you BELIEVE you were in that situation
L843[13:19:51] <20kdc> Matrix-level tech only lets people believe they were in that situation because the simulation was highly accurate and because they were raised that way from birth. Plus a sufficiently high amount of bullshit fed by Agents.
L844[13:20:13] <20kdc> (Y'know, to cover up any potential flaws.)
L845[13:20:15] <MGR> @20kdc if you manipulate the brain, you could temporarily replace people's memories
L846[13:20:25] <MGR> that would make them think they lead that life the entire time
L847[13:20:56] <20kdc> Something that the Matrix-verse might consider, but nobody sane in any real-world situation.
L848[13:21:54] <MGR> If I knew going in that it was only temporary, I would try it
L849[13:22:01] <20kdc> Define "knew".
L850[13:22:06] <MGR> ??
L851[13:22:13] <MGR> was are of, had certainty
L852[13:22:14] <20kdc> If you were absolutely sure? Why would you be sure?
L853[13:22:24] <MGR> I'm not going to do that
L854[13:22:39] <MGR> So long as I had reasonable proof that the tech was safe and only temporary, I would try it
L855[13:22:45] <20kdc> Nobody would sign up to be the test-subject for such a thing,
L856[13:22:57] <20kdc> unless they really, really wanted to forget everything.
L857[13:24:00] <MGR> @20kdc if they could do animal tests, I bet some people would sign up
L858[13:24:12] <MGR> could do animal tests and they showed it was safe
L859[13:24:17] <20kdc> Animal tests wouldn't make sense for this kind of thing.
L860[13:24:25] <MGR> @20kdc It's better than nothing
L861[13:25:07] <20kdc> Not in this case. It's entirely possible that the architecture could vary somewhat from person to person, nevermind the difference between animals and humans.
L862[13:25:09] <MGR> Also, i think at least some people would volunteer
L863[13:25:18] <MGR> @20kdc good point
L864[13:25:35] <MGR> I don't think the lines would be out the door, but I bet they could get enough for small trials and work their way up
L865[13:25:52] <20kdc> Some people would volunteer, indeed, but see 1. potential variance (though you could iron this out with a sufficiently high number of volunteers, if you could find a pattern to it)
L866[13:26:12] <20kdc> and failing anything else, if you got the tech perfect, *why* would you sign up for a temporary mind-wipe?
L867[13:26:21] <20kdc> It's not like you'd get any enjoyment out of it.
L868[13:26:56] <MGR> @20kdc not necessarily true
L869[13:27:10] <20kdc> You get your memories back, and... if it's a happy simulation, there'd be no point to wiping the memories. If it's a scary one, you wouldn't feel thrill. You'd feel actual terror.
L870[13:27:17] <20kdc> And you'd remember that.
L871[13:27:27] <MGR> @20kdc this is all true
L872[13:27:34] <payonel> LUA
L873[13:27:43] <MGR> and when we get to the point where we have this stuff, I expect that these questions will be answered
L874[13:27:47] <payonel> #lua return the_matrix
L875[13:27:53] <20kdc> Noooo!
L876[13:27:54] <MGR> Like I said, if it was proven safe, I would try it
L877[13:27:57] <20kdc> Payonel, you have doomed us all!
L878[13:27:58] <MGR> just to say I did
L879[13:28:29] <payonel> #lua the_matrix = _G
L880[13:28:49] <20kdc> <error in C.S. programme 0. log date. ???. ???. year 2072. the_matrix is a table, not a mat4 as expected.>
L881[13:29:41] <MGR> hello payonel, how are you
L882[13:30:45] <payonel> i practised some game casting last night (not sure what to call just "testing video and audio recording")
L883[13:30:54] <payonel> nothing uploaded, nothing streamed
L884[13:31:15] <MGR> payonel, I did that once
L885[13:31:20] <MGR> it deleted my graphics drivers
L886[13:31:30] <MGR> Not sure why, not sure how, but it did
L887[13:31:40] <payonel> but i'm testing what needs to be tweaked. video quality and fps is great. i have a really great mic, but i'm looking for ways to cut out keyboard and mouse sounds
L888[13:31:47] <MGR> ahhh
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L890[13:33:24] <payonel> my new rig can run doom on ultra at 2k rez while recording and maintain 140-144 fps
L891[13:33:33] <payonel> so, that's really fun
L892[13:33:37] <MGR> noice
L893[13:33:40] <MGR> what's your hardware?
L894[13:34:21] <payonel> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KYFjRG
L895[13:34:54] <MGR> why the 840 evo?
L896[13:35:02] <payonel> because i already had it
L897[13:35:05] <MGR> ah
L898[13:35:06] <MGR> makes sense
L899[13:35:32] <payonel> i might upgrade later, i just haven't decided on the drive, besides - my performance really isn't suffering with the 840 evo
L900[13:35:42] <payonel> i can record in realtime no problem to it
L901[13:35:48] <payonel> i also tested with a ramdisk for kicks
L902[13:36:24] <MGR> payonel, https://pcpartpicker.com/user/majgenrelativity/saved/jHzBD3
L903[13:36:27] <Michiyo> I have 32GB of RAM.. and have yet to play with a ramdisk
L904[13:36:29] <Michiyo> huh..
L905[13:36:33] <MGR> that's what I'm going to do in January
L906[13:36:50] <MGR> unless Zen or Vega changes things up
L907[13:36:50] <payonel> Michiyo: it's so fun just to mount them :)
L908[13:37:11] <payonel> and then watch gigabits copy around in seconds
L909[13:37:32] <payonel> i was actually hoping the ssd would reduce the recording quality or cause delay or lag or anything
L910[13:37:37] <vifino> payonel: damn son, thats a nice rig.
L911[13:37:40] <payonel> to make the ramdisk have more value
L912[13:37:42] <payonel> :)
L913[13:37:44] <MGR> payonel, how did you get a 6900K for $550??
L914[13:38:41] <payonel> through private channels
L915[13:38:52] <MGR> ...
L916[13:38:56] <MGR> do you work at Intel?
L917[13:39:01] <payonel> i do not
L918[13:39:07] <MGR> If so, want to give me a Kaby Lake - E ?
L919[13:39:13] <payonel> haha, i cannot
L920[13:39:17] <payonel> would if i could, though
L921[13:39:19] <MGR> do you OWN Intel?
L922[13:39:24] <payonel> ha, no
L923[13:39:41] <20kdc> payonel's an OpenOS developer
L924[13:39:54] <20kdc> maybe someone at Intel mistook OpenOS for something x86-based
L925[13:39:59] <vifino> My i7-5960X oc'd to 4.2Ghz packs quite a punch, too. I run a 980ti and three 4k screens. Does everything I ever need to do. Gentoo runs damn fine on it. :)
L926[13:40:03] <20kdc> and wanted to make sure it would run efficiently on their latest hardware
L927[13:40:27] <payonel> mgr: i live in portland oregon, there is an intel center here. i know many ppl that work for intel
L928[13:40:53] <MGR> that was my more realistic guess payonel
L929[13:41:12] <vifino> task sync
L930[13:41:15] <vifino> dammit, wrong terminal
L931[13:41:20] <MGR> vifino, but can it run Crysis?
L932[13:41:25] <vifino> It can.
L933[13:41:32] <Corded> * MGR gives his seal of approval
L934[13:41:42] <vifino> It can also run DooM.
L935[13:41:44] <MGR> my build will have a 1080 or a 1080Ti
L936[13:41:45] <payonel> mgr: HEY the g633s! same ones i have
L937[13:41:47] <payonel> LOVE those
L938[13:41:52] <MGR> payonel, yep!
L939[13:41:59] <MGR> so comfy
L940[13:42:04] <MGR> and sound quality is good
L941[13:42:09] <payonel> hey, same monitor
L942[13:42:12] <payonel> no
L943[13:42:14] <payonel> yours is better
L944[13:42:15] <payonel> nice
L945[13:42:21] <MGR> unlike my phone speakers, which produce bass with the consistency of oatmeal
L946[13:42:39] <payonel> the PG278Q though is really really nice
L947[13:42:42] <payonel> love it
L948[13:42:43] <MGR> payonel, yep
L949[13:42:49] <vifino> lets see if my pc part picker lists are up to date.
L950[13:43:03] <MGR> I'm getting the 9Q for better colors and slightly higher refresh rate
L951[13:43:08] <payonel> ok i have to run, laters
L952[13:43:21] <MGR> bye payonel
L953[13:44:07] <vifino> oh, hell no, they are all wrong
L954[13:44:44] <vifino> well zen, my desktop, is mostly fine, but holy shit is my nas out of date, it doesn't have 4 cores, it has 24.
L955[13:44:52] <Michiyo> why isn't it Friday? It should really be friday...
L956[13:44:58] <Michiyo> I don't wanna work tomorrow.. :/
L957[13:45:01] <MGR> vifino, hit me up with your desktop parts list
L958[13:45:05] <Forecaster> it's not friday?!
L959[13:45:18] <MGR> @Mimiru just use some of that "don't show up and get fired" time you have building up!
L960[13:45:21] <Michiyo> no q_q it's 1:45 PM Thrusday
L961[13:45:50] <vifino> MGR: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/vifino/saved/cC8G3C
L962[13:46:02] <Michiyo> You know... I've only got one truck payment left... and it's not even a full one.. if I could get away without having insurance, I'd totally just quit
L963[13:46:32] <Michiyo> Oh... and my server I guess
L964[13:46:46] <MGR> having job > not having job when it comes to being able to spend money
L965[13:47:14] <MGR> vifino, nice case
L966[13:47:19] <vifino> yep.
L967[13:48:15] <Michiyo> though christmas has fucked me money wise.. next month is gonna suck, lol
L968[13:48:16] <MGR> If you can hit 4.2 GHz with your 5960X, I can probably do a little higher with a 6850K
L969[13:48:30] <vifino> i can hit 5ghz.
L970[13:48:40] <MGR> then why not run at that?
L971[13:48:44] <MGR> is it not stable?
L972[13:48:55] <vifino> of fucking course it is not stable.
L973[13:48:59] <vifino> are you out of your mind?
L974[13:49:14] <vifino> i dont run this on liquid nitrogen.
L975[13:49:20] <MGR> vifino, silicon lottery could have treated you well, how am I supposed to know?!
L976[13:49:26] <vifino> it did.
L977[13:49:34] <vifino> but that's just not happening.
L978[13:49:53] <vifino> i have a golden chip, basically running at stick voltage at 4.2Ghz.
L979[13:50:02] <MGR> well, that's good
L980[13:50:17] <MGR> if you increased the voltage a little bit, you could probably get closer to 5 GHz
L981[13:50:28] <MGR> but tank your efficiency
L982[13:50:47] <vifino> dude, i /know/.
L983[13:50:50] <MGR> I have OC'd 0 times, so I don't have experience to go by
L984[13:51:00] <vifino> then don't talk out of your ass.
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L986[13:51:12] <MGR> vifino, when did I do that?
L987[13:51:27] <MGR> I've read reviews and OC tutorials and stuff, so I'm not totally uneducated
L988[13:51:35] * vifino facepalms
L989[13:52:07] <vifino> thats like saying 'matey, i watch LinusTechTips, i am a computer expert'
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L991[13:52:21] <MGR> I DO WATCh LinusTechTips, but I'm not a computer expert
L992[13:52:30] <MGR> I do also build computers and do computer stuff
L993[13:52:37] <MGR> Just not OC'ing yet
L994[13:52:58] <vifino> then don't talk about it like you did it before.
L995[13:53:14] <MGR> vifino, I honestly don't see where I reached too far
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L997[13:53:37] <MGR> If you tell me though, I will remember and adjust accordingly
L998[13:54:23] <20kdc> Anyway! In other news. Who's hyped for 4.9?
L999[13:54:34] <20kdc> Of anything. Doesn't matter what.
L1000[13:54:37] <Forecaster> 4.9 cookies?
L1001[13:54:45] <vifino> linux 4.9 is already there.
L1002[13:54:50] <20kdc> Forecaster: Yes! 4.9 ~cookies~ biscuits!
L1003[13:54:53] <Forecaster> I'd like four and 9 tenths cookies
L1004[13:55:00] <Michiyo> Shit..
L1005[13:55:29] <Forecaster> the .1 cookie can be donated to Michiyo
L1006[13:55:46] <20kdc> vifino: Yep!
L1007[13:56:10] <20kdc> vifino: Now if only us Southern Islands people didn't have to deal with two columns of pink.
L1008[13:56:20] <vifino> hah.
L1009[13:56:37] <vifino> nvidia > amd \o/
L1010[13:56:40] <gamax92> yes
L1011[13:56:49] <MGR> vifino, we'll know when Vega comes out
L1012[13:56:55] <MGR> right now though, you are correct
L1013[13:57:03] <vifino> that won't change anything for me.
L1014[13:57:10] <vifino> because linux drivers will probably still suck.
L1015[13:57:19] <MGR> Linux drivers don't matter to me
L1016[13:57:24] <gamax92> and they do to me
L1017[13:57:25] <MGR> Performance and price does
L1018[13:57:29] <vifino> they do to me.
L1019[13:57:49] <20kdc> Hey, you NVIDIA people have even *worse* lives if you care about open-source drivers.
L1020[13:58:05] <MGR> vifino, I think I read in an Anandtech review that Crimson ReLive was supposed to improve Linux support or something
L1021[13:58:12] <vifino> true, but the proprietary one is great.
L1022[13:58:15] <gamax92> I don't care and when I did have nouveau on here it still ran stuff pretty great
L1023[13:59:34] <vifino> i had hoped that my new eeprom would be here today.
L1024[13:59:37] <vifino> but it is not.
L1025[13:59:55] <vifino> so either it arrives on the 23rd, or i am boned and won't have a laptop.
L1026[14:00:15] <MGR> what
L1027[14:00:16] <vifino> pretty sure i know which one i prefer.
L1028[14:00:29] <MGR> vifino, what does your laptop do with an EEPROM?
L1029[14:00:42] <vifino> what do you think?
L1030[14:00:48] <vifino> stare at it intensively?
L1031[14:00:55] <20kdc> vifino: If I used proprietary drivers, then I'd be doing fine here on AMD.
L1032[14:01:08] <MGR> vifino, I honestly don't know
L1033[14:01:14] <MGR> I'm not aware of laptops using EEPROMS
L1034[14:01:16] <vifino> bios chip
L1035[14:01:20] * vifino facepalms
L1036[14:01:26] <MGR> ohhhh
L1037[14:01:32] <MGR> you're going to solder a new one on
L1038[14:01:54] <gamax92> not all bios chips are soldered to board and even if it was, would probably install a socket first.
L1039[14:02:13] <vifino> gamax92: i dont have a sop8 socket
L1040[14:02:32] <MGR> gamax92, I don't think a laptop would have a socket
L1041[14:02:42] <MGR> because of size constraints
L1042[14:02:49] <vifino> he just said he'd install one -_-
L1043[14:03:06] <MGR> I'm aware of what he said, I was commenting on the first part
L1044[14:04:32] <Skye> it's a shame more components aren't in sockets
L1045[14:05:17] <vifino> Skye: if everything would have a socket, laptop would be two or three times the size
L1046[14:05:25] <MGR> ^^^^^^^^^^
L1047[14:05:39] <MGR> also, sockets probably cost more than just soldering the component down
L1048[14:05:45] <Skye> vifino, honestly I could live with that, though I'm not everyone.
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L1050[14:06:04] <vifino> see: desktop replacement laptops with desktop cpus, etc.. who have sockets for all major parts
L1051[14:06:14] <MGR> Skye, could you live with a higher price though?
L1052[14:06:26] <Skye> meh
L1053[14:06:36] <Ai> another cord.. heh
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L1056[14:09:13] <MGR> alright
L1057[14:09:18] <MGR> I'm away
L1058[14:09:27] <MGR> I'll be back, until then, have a good day!
L1059[14:10:33] <vifino> +
L1060[14:10:41] <Lizzy> -
L1061[14:10:54] <Nikky> *
L1062[14:11:03] <Michiyo> /
L1063[14:11:17] <Nikky> %
L1064[14:11:30] <vifino> keyboard kleaning.
L1065[14:12:35] <gamax92> heh ml
L1066[14:13:58] <Lizzy> heh
L1067[14:15:12] <Michiyo> So.. TIL, that when I pay my moms truck off, the title will come back in her name...
L1068[14:15:14] <FLORANA> hello :3
L1069[14:15:22] <Michiyo> and transfering the title to my name will be... expensive
L1070[14:15:44] <Michiyo> 6% of the purchase price + local taxes
L1071[14:16:10] <Michiyo> and her tags expire at the end of Jan.. which means I have to get the title transfered to register it to get new tags :/
L1072[14:16:11] <FLORANA> for those that didn't know the dominos a block from us exploaded...
L1073[14:16:19] <FLORANA> due to a gas leak
L1074[14:16:33] <FLORANA> and it was last night: http://www.10tv.com/article/columbus-fire-evacuating-building-west-broad-due-natural-gas-leak-fire-explosion
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L1076[14:22:40] <20kdc> Natural gas should really be phased out. It's too dangerous.
L1077[14:25:44] <Forecaster> title?
L1078[14:26:18] <FLORANA> title?
L1079[14:26:45] <Michiyo> Vehicle title, IDK why it's called a title, but it's basically the thing that says this person owns this vehicle
L1080[14:26:56] <Forecaster> ah
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L1086[15:10:39] <Mettaton_Fab> i read that you were tlking about SOP-8 sockets...
L1087[15:10:54] <Mettaton_Fab> i just used up all of mine.
L1088[15:27:10] <vifino> yeah, sure.
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L1090[15:28:37] <Mettaton_Fab> i also built an amp and ran out of LM386 Op-Amps.
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L1094[15:55:17] <MGR> Izaya, are you there?
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L1096[16:07:17] <Mettaton_Fab> queen of lewd, which anime has the most yuri kissing scenes?
L1097[16:11:10] <CompanionCube> Inari isn't around at the moment I believe
L1098[16:11:34] <Mettaton_Fab> fuck!
L1099[16:12:01] <Mettaton_Fab> its christmas on saturday!
L1100[16:12:14] <Mettaton_Fab> i finally get my other parts for me amp!
L1101[16:13:09] <20kdc> It's a bit concerning that you get the other parts for your amplifier, and then you ask about yuri kissing scenes.
L1102[16:13:43] <Gavle> ~w component
L1103[16:13:43] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component
L1104[16:13:48] <Gavle> ~w component API
L1105[16:13:49] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:component
L1106[16:14:04] <20kdc> Broadcasting to the entire neighborhood that you like yuri kissing scenes is all well and good until someone notices and questions if you thought things through, involving anyone going outside at the time who is not supposed to hear of it.
L1107[16:14:08] <MGR> @20kdc Mettaton_Fab is just concerning all around
L1108[16:14:35] <Mettaton_Fab> any questions about my brain?
L1109[16:14:53] <Forecaster> why is it oval?
L1110[16:15:42] <20kdc> MGR: Having a name that's a game reference isn't THAT bad...
L1111[16:15:47] <Temia> "Concerning" is one way to put it.
L1112[16:16:12] <Temia> 20kdc, Mettaton_Fab has been long enough for his general behavioura; patterns to emerge.
L1113[16:16:14] <MGR> @20kdc I wasn't talking about his name
L1114[16:16:15] <Temia> *behavioural
L1115[16:16:28] <Mettaton_Fab> i could just Rickroll my whole school, or loud nigra them.
L1116[16:16:33] <20kdc> ...
L1117[16:16:35] <Temia> Which also happens to be why I have him on /ignore.
L1118[16:16:47] <Temia> *been around
L1119[16:16:50] <Temia> Wow, I need more coffee.
L1120[16:16:51] <20kdc> Mettaton_Fab. That hole you're digging yourself. It is very expertly dug.
L1121[16:17:01] <Temia> See what I mean?
L1122[16:17:07] <Temia> I don't even have to guess what he's saying anymore.
L1123[16:17:16] <Temia> Because I know his foot will ALWAYS be in his mouth.
L1124[16:17:44] <20kdc> Mettaton_Fab: And I'm pretty sure the teachers would not appreciate the education on Rick Astley music.
L1125[16:18:00] <CompanionCube> also, be creative damnit
L1126[16:19:22] <Mettaton_Fab> maybe just annoy them with a 50KHz Saw Wave?
L1127[16:19:46] <Mettaton_Fab> or just being Blue (Daba Dee)
L1128[16:20:10] <20kdc> ...Temia, would you say that 50KHz is audible by humans, even if it is a sawtooth wave?
L1129[16:20:49] <Temia> Not really, no.
L1130[16:21:21] <20kdc> ...And the hole is proven to be deeper than I thought.
L1131[16:21:35] <Mettaton_Fab> it is audible.
L1132[16:22:01] <Mettaton_Fab> 50MHz is another thing.
L1133[16:22:04] <Temia> frankly I'm surprised we've even kept this clown around for as long as we have.
L1134[16:22:29] <20kdc> Mettaton_Fab: Hmm... we shall see... we shall see...
L1135[16:22:50] <20kdc> Also, you have to consider if it's *actually* audible, or if it's just sampling errors.
L1136[16:23:08] <MGR> Temai, you have my agreement
L1137[16:23:18] <20kdc> At 50KHz, most consumer sound systems *will not* successfully recreate the sound properly,
L1138[16:23:31] <20kdc> and thus you will hear something even though it's not actually the sound.
L1139[16:24:29] <20kdc> If I set the Project Rate in Audacity to 88200,
L1140[16:24:42] <20kdc> and then generate a 22050hz (22.05KHz) sound wave,
L1141[16:24:46] <20kdc> the result is not audible.
L1142[16:24:58] <Mettaton_Fab> i just use a phone and my dangerous amp.
L1143[16:25:13] <20kdc> (I'm not entirely sure if it's being downsamples to 44100hz, at which rate it doesn't appear at all...)
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L1145[16:25:23] <20kdc> A phone is likely going to give you awful sound quality.
L1146[16:25:59] <20kdc> And though I'm not an audiophile, we're talking about studying high frequencies here. It has to be done correctly.
L1147[16:26:43] <MGR> @20kdc my phone produces bass with the consistency of oatmeal
L1148[16:26:48] <Mettaton_Fab> i could also just use it to watch Druaga1 videos.
L1149[16:26:50] <MGR> phone speakers are NOT that great
L1150[16:27:07] <Mettaton_Fab> thats why there will be an amp.
L1151[16:27:08] <20kdc> MGR: If you haven't noticed, I'm agreeing with you.
L1152[16:27:14] <MGR> ye
L1153[16:27:32] <Mettaton_Fab> and some 8 ohm 0.5W speakers with a transformer.
L1154[16:27:54] <Mettaton_Fab> whyever there has to be a transformer
L1155[16:28:45] <20kdc> 19KHz at 44.1KHz sampling rate is not audible but shows a visible signal. Either my hardware's at 22.05KHz, or it's simply not an audible frequency.
L1156[16:30:05] <20kdc> However, this is for a sine wave.
L1157[16:30:30] <20kdc> For a sawtooth wave, something is definitely audible. Checking spectrogram thingy...
L1158[16:31:21] <20kdc> ...the gist of it is that a 19KHz sawtooth wave is a bit more than that.
L1159[16:31:47] <MGR> I wonder what frequencies my headphones can reproduce
L1160[16:33:06] <20kdc> Hmm... 17.5KHz, use against annoying dogs.
L1161[16:33:16] <20kdc> Or cats, but cats are usually nice.
L1162[16:33:58] <Mettaton_Fab> i really like messing with my classmates with high frequencies.
L1163[16:34:11] <Mettaton_Fab> but they are not doggos.
L1164[16:35:24] <MGR> So, I need some help
L1165[16:35:29] <MGR> My code is: https://gist.github.com/MajorGeneralRelativity/10b9482819135d049177219b111fe8c1
L1166[16:35:53] <MGR> It gives me an error on line 22, saying string expected, got nil
L1167[16:36:43] <Ai> unserialize is a function that takes a serialized table as a string i guess
L1168[16:36:50] <Ai> and turns it into a table
L1169[16:36:59] <MGR> yeah
L1170[16:37:08] <MGR> I didn't declare pTable earlier, so that's a start
L1171[16:37:09] <Ai> and what do you pass to it ?
L1172[16:37:18] <MGR> now it's erroring on something else, one second
L1173[16:39:16] <MGR> Alright, I updated the Gist
L1174[16:39:26] <MGR> It's now erroring on line 25, saying the length of pTable is nil
L1175[16:39:34] <MGR> but here's the thing
L1176[16:39:39] <MGR> the function shouldn't even have been called
L1177[16:40:26] <MGR> I just typed its name in the shell to trigger the event.listen, and it calls the function
L1178[16:40:33] <MGR> but nothing's pushing events to it
L1179[16:40:55] <MGR> so the function errors out because pTable is nil because there is nothing for pTable to be yet
L1180[16:40:58] <MGR> what gives?
L1181[16:45:24] <Michiyo> Cause that's not how event.listen works.
L1182[16:45:47] <Michiyo> event.listen("event", function) not function() not function(arg), function.
L1183[16:46:16] <Michiyo> IIRC anyway, I might be talking out of my ass... :P but calling function(arg) will call the function when you register it.
L1184[16:46:18] <MGR> @Mimiru but it will still pass the args to the function, right?
L1185[16:46:30] <Michiyo> it'll pass whatever args that event gets to the function
L1186[16:46:35] <Michiyo> *all* of them
L1187[16:46:47] <MGR> awesome
L1188[16:46:59] <Michiyo> for touch that's shit like eventname, address, player name, x, y, whatever
L1189[16:47:37] <Michiyo> I wish I had my code handy... I've used event.listens before but I've not lua'd in ages
L1190[16:48:13] <MGR> @Mimiru well, it fixed that error
L1191[16:48:18] <MGR> so I'm at least making progress!
L1192[16:48:35] <Michiyo> \o/ I'm not a total dumb ass
L1193[16:48:54] <MGR> Right now, you're right above total
L1194[16:49:03] <MGR> Let's see if you can make it completely above dumbassery!
L1195[16:49:33] <Ai> if you think about how stupid the average person is..
L1196[16:49:44] <Mettaton_Fab> so apparently my amp charges the capacitor which makes for a smooth audio output, but it starts ticking at a frequency i dont know.
L1197[16:49:46] <Ai> half of the people around you are dumber than that
L1198[16:49:57] <MGR> Ai, I know
L1199[16:50:03] <MGR> it depresses me
L1200[16:50:32] <MGR> also, Ai, are you new?
L1201[16:50:36] <MGR> I don't think I've met you before
L1202[16:50:47] <Ai> NikkyAi every heard that name ?
L1203[16:50:53] <MGR> ah
L1204[16:50:56] <Ai> hai
L1205[16:50:57] <MGR> I have not
L1206[16:51:01] <Skye> Nikky
L1207[16:51:08] <Ai> well i do know you
L1208[16:51:30] <MGR> and I know you now
L1209[16:51:38] <Michiyo> Staaaalker :p
L1210[16:52:26] <MGR> @Mimiru not quite
L1211[16:52:39] <Michiyo> Shush
L1212[16:53:28] <MGR> @Mimiru ????
L1213[16:53:33] <Michiyo> Shhhhhhhhhhhh
L1214[16:53:40] <MGR> @Mimiru ????????????????
L1215[16:53:45] <MGR> Nikky, so why the name change/
L1216[16:53:46] <MGR> ?*
L1217[16:53:48] <Michiyo> SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
L1218[16:53:56] <Michiyo> I'll come to discord and mute you.. :P
L1219[16:54:06] <Michiyo> lol
L1220[16:54:08] <MGR> SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
L1221[16:54:38] <Michiyo> I just want the day to be over with, so I can go get mexican with @Naomi for her Birthday
L1222[16:55:07] <MGR> @Mimiru well, I can at least help speed up your day a little with my witty banter ?
L1223[16:55:10] <Michiyo> (That's right I just told on you @Naomi :P) Assuming she's even watching discord
L1224[16:55:34] <MGR> it shows her as away
L1225[16:55:40] <Michiyo> @status @Naomi
L1226[16:55:41] <Corded> Michiyo: Naomi is currently AWAY
L1227[16:56:44] <MGR> Didn't trust me? ?
L1228[16:56:53] <Michiyo> Just wanted to see if it still worked
L1229[16:56:57] <Michiyo> Code rot and all
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L1231[16:57:44] <MGR> ah
L1232[16:57:51] <MGR> so, got another issue
L1233[16:57:52] <MGR> https://gist.github.com/MajorGeneralRelativity/f051bccca63d6dea8340f01cb622f398
L1234[16:57:59] <MGR> players always shows up as nil
L1235[16:58:02] <Michiyo> Ebay email... "This might make all the difference, FirstName! Don't lose out on these new finds."
L1236[16:58:25] <MGR> lol
L1237[16:59:05] <Michiyo> hmm...
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L1239[17:00:06] <Michiyo> if (entity instanceof EntityPlayerMP)
L1240[17:00:06] <Michiyo> name = ((EntityPlayer) entity).getDisplayName();
L1241[17:00:10] <Michiyo> that should work fine...
L1242[17:00:27] <Kodos> wat are you doing
L1243[17:00:27] <MGR> ???
L1244[17:00:36] <Michiyo> waterudoin?
L1245[17:01:06] <MGR> @Kodos I'm trying to get TACEATS2 publicized
L1246[17:01:13] <MGR> Not sure what @Mimiru is doing
L1247[17:01:40] <Michiyo> @MajGenRelativity Hmm.. EntityPlayerMP :/ Are you in SP or MP? IDK if those are split anymore
L1248[17:01:49] <Michiyo> I was quoting the code for getting the player name in the entity detector
L1249[17:01:52] <MGR> Multiplayer
L1250[17:02:05] <MGR> I'm trying right now, but I WAS using a computronics radar
L1251[17:02:16] <Michiyo> https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenSecurity/blob/1.7.10/src/main/java/pcl/opensecurity/tileentity/TileEntityEntityDetector.java#L100-L101
L1252[17:02:19] <Michiyo> Oh
L1253[17:02:28] <Michiyo> I thought... nvm :D
L1254[17:02:31] <MGR> just tried with the entity detector
L1255[17:02:33] <Michiyo> customer afk
L1256[17:02:34] <MGR> same results
L1257[17:03:21] <MGR> right after line 33, players remains nil
L1258[17:03:25] <MGR> with radar or entity detector
L1259[17:04:48] <Michiyo> then you've broken something
L1260[17:04:50] <Michiyo> GJ!
L1261[17:05:33] <MGR> @Mimiru that's obvious
L1262[17:05:43] <MGR> but what
L1263[17:06:59] <Michiyo> EVERYTHING
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L1266[17:08:08] <Michiyo> put prints after lines 19 and 21 to check if either of those are even getting fired
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L1268[17:08:24] <Michiyo> I've gotta start counting and getting ready to wrap up
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L1272[17:12:08] <MGR> @Mimiru so, line 19 is firing, and tempP is not nil
L1273[17:12:49] <Michiyo> Ok now.. I want you to REALLY look at your return in that function
L1274[17:12:53] <Michiyo> like look VERY hard at it
L1275[17:13:10] <Mimiru> @MGR ^
L1276[17:13:19] <MGR> I'm looking at it
L1277[17:13:29] <MGR> OH COME ON
L1278[17:13:46] <MGR> kaj;lkdj;lk
L1279[17:13:53] <Michiyo> lmfao... we've ALL been there man
L1280[17:13:55] <MGR> IT IS tempP, not temP!
L1281[17:13:56] <Michiyo> trust me...
L1282[17:14:20] <Kodos> Working with LSL, I cannot tell you how many times I've forgotten a ;
L1283[17:14:31] <Michiyo> I spent HOURS poking at some PHP a long as time ago I was SOOOOO PISSED OFF...
L1284[17:14:50] <Michiyo> @Naomi comes by and I ask her what I'm doing wrong.. she points to a random line and says "You forgot a "." there"
L1285[17:14:56] <Michiyo> I laughed.. added it saved...
L1286[17:15:02] <MGR> yeah
L1287[17:15:02] <Michiyo> and I'll be fucking damned if it didn't work
L1288[17:15:22] <MGR> I feel like computers should just KNOW when you've made a type or forgotton a ; or anything like that
L1289[17:15:26] <Michiyo> lol
L1290[17:15:35] <Michiyo> anyway gotta finish counting out the day
L1291[17:15:42] <Michiyo> I'll be late as it's birthday dinner
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L1293[17:19:40] <MGR> now, of course, another module is broken
L1294[17:19:41] <MGR> but dinner
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L1310[19:39:23] <MGR> well, have a good night everyone!
L1311[19:39:37] <MGR> My programming lack of prowess will continue tomorrow ?
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