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<Forecaster>
I have a thing for producing calculators apparently
<Forecaster>
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L43[05:18:48] <20kdc>
TYKUHN2: "rm -r /" would have been caught, but the
trouble is that "rm -r /*" expands to "rm -r /bin
/usr /var"... which is a different thing
<20kdc>
TYKUHN2: "rm -r /" would have been caught, but the
trouble is that "rm -r /*" expands to "rm -r /bin
/usr /var"... which is a different thingL44[05:19:22] <20kdc>
...though I would like to note that you should be very careful
doing things as root
<20kdc>
...though I would like to note that you should be very careful
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L47[06:15:02] <DaMachinator> Forecaster:
where are these calculators?
L48[06:15:50] *
DaMachinator googles
L49[06:15:56] <DaMachinator> on your
website apparently
L50[06:16:16] *
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firewall
L51[06:16:22] <DaMachinator> guess i have
to wait until i get home
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L53[06:19:16] <DaMachinator> 15.4mil &
counting...~3hrs to go
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L61[07:33:46] <MGR>
DaMachinator, I'm on my work computer now
<MGR>
DaMachinator, I'm on my work computer nowL62[07:33:53] <MGR> Which
is further behind my main one
<MGR> Which
is further behind my main oneL63[07:34:04] <MGR> and
will only continue to fall behind as my main runs more than my
work
<MGR> and
will only continue to fall behind as my main runs more than my
workL64[07:34:27] <Caitlyn> I run the same save
at work and home
L65[07:34:34] <Caitlyn> cause I'm lazy..
and don't wanna double the work
L66[07:35:06] <MGR>
Caitlyn, that's what I will do
<MGR>
Caitlyn, that's what I will doL67[07:51:12] ⇦
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L69[07:58:30] <MGR>
@Mimiru what's your income/research?
<MGR>
@Mimiru what's your income/research?L70[07:58:37] <MGR> I
really need to re-do my work setup
<MGR> I
really need to re-do my work setupL71[07:58:41] <MGR>
density is bad
<MGR>
density is badL72[07:59:33] <MGR> or
maybe it isn't...
<MGR> or
maybe it isn't...L73[07:59:51] <MGR> I'm
fitting in 30 plastic makers, which was consistent with at home
before 1oil:2plastic upgrade
<MGR> I'm
fitting in 30 plastic makers, which was consistent with at home
before 1oil:2plastic upgradeL74[08:08:02] <Inari> payonel: https://i.reddituploads.com/44fac6ea302a467186e3cf7646dc7acf?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=ac55feaae3cc62a5a4b74c8b36d55710
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L76[08:09:58] <DaMachinator> My income is
$982/t, 76.5 science/t
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L78[08:10:34] <DaMachinator> I took a ~2k
hit to my income in return for not having to wait 12 hours to
accumulate 10m RP
L79[08:10:40] <MGR> yeah
?
<MGR> yeah
?L80[08:10:56] <MGR> at
work, my density is bad, and I am bad
<MGR> at
work, my density is bad, and I am badL81[08:11:16] <DaMachinator> at 17.64e6 RP,
~1.5hrs to go
L82[08:12:18] <Caitlyn> I've stopped
research ATM
L83[08:12:23] <DaMachinator> http://u.tylian.net/0IkX6P.png
L84[08:12:24] <Caitlyn> I'm making like
2.6m/t
L85[08:12:56] <MGR>
@Mimiru wow
<MGR>
@Mimiru wowL86[08:12:59] <MGR> you're
ahead of both of us
<MGR> you're
ahead of both of usL87[08:13:07] <MGR> FAR
ahead of both of us XD
<MGR> FAR
ahead of both of us XDL88[08:13:09] <DaMachinator> once i hit 20m
RP i'm buying semiconductors and switching to full money production
until I hit 1b funds to buy kilofactory
L89[08:13:12] <MGR> oh
yeah that's right you have engines
<MGR> oh
yeah that's right you have enginesL90[08:13:29] <MGR>
DaMachinator, on my main, I'm close to 1B for kilo
<MGR>
DaMachinator, on my main, I'm close to 1B for kiloL91[08:13:54] <DaMachinator> speaking of
which, i feel like the tier two research stuff should receive a
major buff
L92[08:14:04] <DaMachinator> 12 hours is a
lot, even for an idle game
L93[08:14:16] <MGR> I
don't think so
<MGR> I
don't think soL94[08:14:21] <Caitlyn> I'll admit.. I got
lucky...
L95[08:14:31] <Caitlyn> One day I logged in
and had a metric fuckton of research..
L96[08:14:31] <DaMachinator> how so
L97[08:14:33] <Caitlyn> http://michi.pc-logix.com/chrome_2016-12-16_08-14-06.png
L98[08:14:53] <DaMachinator> according to
time travel, I make 5.78mil RP per 3 hrs
L99[08:14:55] <MGR>
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Boot-and-Lockup/BIOS-Flashing-corrupted-BIOS/m-p/5894521#M102836
<MGR>
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Boot-and-Lockup/BIOS-Flashing-corrupted-BIOS/m-p/5894521#M102836L100[08:14:57] <Corded> * MGR sighs
L101[08:14:59] <MGR>
HP
<MGR>
HPL102[08:15:02] <DaMachinator> or 12 hrs to
accumulate ~22mil
L103[08:15:33] <MGR>
@Mimiru please don't take this the wrong way, but your density
sucks
<MGR>
@Mimiru please don't take this the wrong way, but your density
sucksL104[08:15:45] <Caitlyn> Wasn't going for
density
L105[08:15:47] <Caitlyn> thanks
though.
L106[08:15:48] <DaMachinator> MGR: is
there any kind of a small toggle switch on the motherboard
L107[08:16:02] <MGR>
DaMachinator, I don't think so
<MGR>
DaMachinator, I don't think soL108[08:16:14] <DaMachinator> I know my
home PC (which I built from parts) has a toggle switch on it.
L109[08:16:35] <MGR> also,
I'm not going to invest more significant quantities of time and
effort on my computer when HP broke it
<MGR> also,
I'm not going to invest more significant quantities of time and
effort on my computer when HP broke itL110[08:16:39] <DaMachinator> The
motherboard has redundant BIOS EEPROM's in case you screw up while
overclocking or similar.
L111[08:16:40] <Caitlyn> A lot of this was
built around existing shit that I removed
L112[08:16:46] <Caitlyn> and I don't feel
like redoing all of it
L113[08:17:10] <MGR>
DaMachinator, I'm pretty sure the motherboard doesn't have that
switch, and one of the display hinges is held together partly by
tape
<MGR>
DaMachinator, I'm pretty sure the motherboard doesn't have that
switch, and one of the display hinges is held together partly by
tapeL114[08:17:11] <Caitlyn> There were tank
lines in here
L115[08:17:17] <Caitlyn> which is why
stuff is a bit spread out
L116[08:17:23] <MGR> I
really don't want to open the chassis again because HP broke my
stuff
<MGR> I
really don't want to open the chassis again because HP broke my
stuffL117[08:17:26] <DaMachinator> I am
manually creating a test question bank by making entries in a JSON
file by hand :(
L118[08:17:30] <Caitlyn> but I kept going
negative
L119[08:18:17] <MGR>
Caitlyn, why would you need to pay money?
<MGR>
Caitlyn, why would you need to pay money?L120[08:18:20] <MGR> You
have tanks!
<MGR> You
have tanks!L121[08:18:25] <Caitlyn> I had 2 full tank
lines, and a pair of diesel refineries
L122[08:18:58] <Caitlyn> I'd swing from
+60 mil, to -3 mil
L123[08:19:09] <Caitlyn> But ended up
loosing more than I was making
L124[08:19:27] <Caitlyn> so I tossed
everything but engines til I felt like working on it more
L125[08:19:39] *
DaMachinator is barely breaking even with all he is spending on
research
L126[08:20:02] <Caitlyn> I've got 20
quadrillion, if I could offer you some I would
L127[08:20:02] <MGR> at
work I'm making $2.2k/t + 6 rp/t
<MGR> at
work I'm making $2.2k/t + 6 rp/tL128[08:21:26] <MGR> Either
EVGA is severely underrating this thing, or I got some kind of
magic unicorn retail unit that still works when you throw it into
the sun..
<MGR> Either
EVGA is severely underrating this thing, or I got some kind of
magic unicorn retail unit that still works when you throw it into
the sun..L129[08:21:34] <MGR> Please
throw more power supplies into the sun
<MGR> Please
throw more power supplies into the sunL130[08:22:49] <Mettaton_Fab> MGR, which
PSU exactly?
L132[08:23:19] <MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, the EVGA 400W
<MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, the EVGA 400WL133[08:24:10] <DaMachinator> 2 million to
go
L134[08:24:13] <DaMachinator> >1hr
remaining
L135[08:24:24] <MGR> I
would go with the EVGA 430W
<MGR> I
would go with the EVGA 430WL136[08:24:34] <MGR> It's
marginally more expensive, but higher quality
<MGR> It's
marginally more expensive, but higher qualityL137[08:24:55] <DaMachinator> I would go
with neither of those and buy a modular or semi-modular PSU
L138[08:25:31] <MGR>
DaMachinator, it's only good for a budget build
<MGR>
DaMachinator, it's only good for a budget buildL139[08:25:33] <Amerem>
there is documentation on how to add open computer support to a mod
right?
<Amerem>
there is documentation on how to add open computer support to a mod
right?L140[08:25:50] <MGR> I'm
going to (probably) be getting the EVGA Supernova P2 750W
<MGR> I'm
going to (probably) be getting the EVGA Supernova P2 750WL141[08:26:05] <MGR> Which
is glorious, and makes the frames fly out of my computer with
explosions
<MGR> Which
is glorious, and makes the frames fly out of my computer with
explosionsL142[08:26:06] <DaMachinator> which will
be considerably more expensive, but worth it in terms of
aesthetics, ease of install, and not having to find someplace to
stuff all the unneeded cables so they don't interfere with
airflow
L143[08:26:11] <MGR> and
lets me hurl other PSUs into it
<MGR> and
lets me hurl other PSUs into itL144[08:26:16] <Caitlyn> @Amerem there are
a few example mods, IIRC they're pretty well documented
L145[08:26:30] <MGR>
DaMachinator, modular is worth it, but budget
<MGR>
DaMachinator, modular is worth it, but budgetL146[08:26:43] <MGR>
Modular = more money, which some may not have
<MGR>
Modular = more money, which some may not haveL147[08:27:04] <Amerem> ok
cool just looking as I would like to add support for my next
mod
<Amerem> ok
cool just looking as I would like to add support for my next
modL148[08:27:24] <Caitlyn> It's pretty
straight forward
L149[08:27:25] <Amerem> ok
cool just checking....DERP as I would like to add support for my
next mod
<Amerem> ok
cool just checking....DERP as I would like to add support for my
next modL150[08:27:28] <DaMachinator> http://pcpartpicker.com/product/HvTmP6/evga-power-supply-100w10430kr
L151[08:27:50] <DaMachinator> I can vouch
for this. It has way more cables than you need, and you'll have to
find somewhere to put them
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L153[08:28:12] <Amerem> I
don't reccommend anything under 500w but w/e
<Amerem> I
don't reccommend anything under 500w but w/eL154[08:28:18] <MGR>
DaMachinator, that's not modular
<MGR>
DaMachinator, that's not modularL155[08:28:31] <DaMachinator> I
know.
L156[08:28:36] <MGR>
@Amerem if you don't have a dGPU in your system, your power
consumption will probably max at 100W
<MGR>
@Amerem if you don't have a dGPU in your system, your power
consumption will probably max at 100WL157[08:28:47] <Caitlyn> now running at
5.86 mil by dropping an engine maker and tossing an upgrade into
silicon for faster electronics
L158[08:28:52] <DaMachinator> I dislike it
because of that but in all other respects it is fine.
L159[08:29:25] <MGR>
DaMachinator, I read the review for that a few minutes ago
<MGR>
DaMachinator, I read the review for that a few minutes agoL160[08:29:29] <MGR> it is
pretty solid
<MGR> it is
pretty solidL161[08:29:41] <DaMachinator> A modular
PSU would not have been a great budget choice on my current PC as
it would probably cost more than the CPU
L162[08:29:49] <Caitlyn> 7.24.. nice
L163[08:30:06] <DaMachinator> it does
however have a higher reusability factor than the CPU, so there's
that
L164[08:30:29] <MGR>
DaMachinator, exactly
<MGR>
DaMachinator, exactlyL165[08:30:48] <MGR> If you
spend a little extra on a high quality PSU, it could serve you for
a decade
<MGR> If you
spend a little extra on a high quality PSU, it could serve you for
a decadeL166[08:30:49] <DaMachinator>
unfortunately i was broke soooooo
L167[08:32:22] <Mettaton_Fab> just get
some old workstations
L168[08:32:52] <MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, I prefer new stuff
<MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, I prefer new stuffL169[08:32:56] <MGR> even
if it is not as good
<MGR> even
if it is not as goodL170[08:33:24] <Mettaton_Fab> i use the
PSU from an old Workstation, and apparently my core2quad heats
itup
L171[08:33:58] <MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, model number of that PSU?
<MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, model number of that PSU?L172[08:34:03] <MGR> and
what's your hardware
<MGR> and
what's your hardwareL173[08:34:14] <MGR> also,
what does "heats it up" even mean?
<MGR> also,
what does "heats it up" even mean?L174[08:35:28] <Mettaton_Fab> i dunno,
seems to be an old Hipro PSU used in a Fujitsu-Siemens Celsius
R640
L175[08:35:57] <Mettaton_Fab> i can even
connect Powerhungry GPUs to it.
L176[08:36:10] <MGR> can !=
should
<MGR> can !=
shouldL177[08:36:59] <Mettaton_Fab> but my
current mobo doesnt allow good GPUs.
L178[08:37:11] <Mettaton_Fab> i am still
limited to AGP
L179[08:37:14] <MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, that literally makes no sense
<MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, that literally makes no senseL180[08:37:21] <MGR> does
it have a PCIe slot?
<MGR> does
it have a PCIe slot?L181[08:37:59] <Mettaton_Fab> no.
L182[08:38:10] <Mettaton_Fab> thats why i
want a better Mobo
L183[08:38:16] <MGR> and
CPU
<MGR> and
CPUL184[08:39:00] <MGR> not
just because of performance, but feature support too
<MGR> not
just because of performance, but feature support tooL185[08:39:07] <DaMachinator> I want more
money IRL.
L186[08:40:20] <Mettaton_Fab> MGR, that
COre2QUad would only be replaced by a Core2Extreme QXwhatever
L187[08:40:32] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fGwanAJk8c
L188[08:40:32] <MichiBot> We are number
one but with floppy drives | length: 2m 37s | Likes:
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| Published On 26/11/2016
L189[08:40:58] <MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, don't do it
<MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, don't do itL190[08:41:09] <MGR> just
buy a new CPU+Motherboard
<MGR> just
buy a new CPU+MotherboardL191[08:41:29] <MGR> It'll
cost ~$150
<MGR> It'll
cost ~$150L192[08:41:44] <Mettaton_Fab> in
euros?
L193[08:42:01] <MGR>
uhhhh
<MGR>
uhhhhL194[08:42:02] <MGR> one
sec
<MGR> one
secL195[08:43:12] <MGR>
Mettaton_Fab: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Skylake-3-7Ghz-Motherboard-2133Mhz-Crucial/dp/B01ALSKH76/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1481899341&sr=1-3&keywords=i3
<MGR>
Mettaton_Fab: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Skylake-3-7Ghz-Motherboard-2133Mhz-Crucial/dp/B01ALSKH76/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1481899341&sr=1-3&keywords=i3L196[08:43:16]
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L197[08:43:48] <Mettaton_Fab> found
something awesome: https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/gaming-mainboard-intel-core-2-extreme-processor-qx9650-12m-cache/552888230-225-9684
L198[08:44:59] <MGR> aside
from the fact I can't read German, any Core 2 product does not
equal awesome
<MGR> aside
from the fact I can't read German, any Core 2 product does not
equal awesomeL199[08:48:47] <Michiyo> We've tried
talking sense into him on his hardware choices...
L200[08:48:49] <Michiyo> it does no
good
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L202[08:49:48] <MGR>
@Mimiru they're bad
<MGR>
@Mimiru they're badL203[08:49:59] ***
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L204[08:50:01] <MGR> and
don't save a lot of money right now, and cost more long-term
<MGR> and
don't save a lot of money right now, and cost more long-termL205[08:50:05] <Mettaton_Fab> i want
LGA775 because i want an older system.
L206[08:50:36] ***
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L207[08:50:36] <Mettaton_Fab> also, i want
to build a custom case for my pc.
L208[08:50:51] <MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, the first sentence makes no sense
<MGR>
Mettaton_Fab, the first sentence makes no senseL209[08:51:01] <MGR> the
second sentence has nothing to do with your motherboard socket
choice
<MGR> the
second sentence has nothing to do with your motherboard socket
choiceL210[08:51:13] <LuMistry> Greetings
L211[08:51:33] <Mettaton_Fab> it somehow
does, because my custom case will make it be like a laptop.
L212[08:51:58] <MGR> then
choose a newer motherboard+CPU and get efficiency
<MGR> then
choose a newer motherboard+CPU and get efficiencyL213[08:52:06] <MGR> but
whatever
<MGR> but
whateverL214[08:52:09] <MGR> here
is my final word
<MGR> here
is my final wordL215[08:52:17] <MGR> Core 2
is bad, and you are bad if you keep choosing it
<MGR> Core 2
is bad, and you are bad if you keep choosing itL216[08:52:37] <LuMistry> Core 2 is older
than I am!
L217[08:52:41] <Lizzy> is fab saying dump
things again?
L218[08:52:48] <Lizzy> *dumb
L219[08:52:53] <Lizzy> can't fucking spell
it seems
L220[08:53:12] <MGR> Lizzy,
yes
<MGR> Lizzy,
yesL221[08:53:15] <Lizzy> lel
L222[08:53:17] <Mettaton_Fab> core2 is
younger than i am.
L223[08:53:41] <Mettaton_Fab> also MGR,
that mobo is too pricey for me.
L224[08:53:47] <LuMistry> Mettaton_Fab =
Chuck Norris?
L225[08:53:55] <MGR> it's a
kit
<MGR> it's a
kitL226[08:54:03] <MGR>
MB+CPU+RAM for 220 euros
<MGR>
MB+CPU+RAM for 220 eurosL227[08:54:08] <MGR> or
pounds
<MGR> or
poundsL228[08:54:13] <MGR> or
whatever, idk
<MGR> or
whatever, idkL229[08:54:23] <Mettaton_Fab> still too
pricey.
L230[08:54:41] <Mettaton_Fab> i want
something affordable for <100€
L231[08:54:55] <MGR>
No
<MGR>
NoL232[08:55:02] <Mettaton_Fab> either ddr2
or ddr3
L233[08:55:19] <Mettaton_Fab> i have some
RAM here.
L234[08:55:31] <Mettaton_Fab> both DDR2
and DDR3
L235[08:55:55] <MGR>
No
<MGR>
NoL236[08:56:06] <LuMistry> Mettaton_Fab =
Chuck Norris?
L237[08:56:15] <MGR>
?????????
<MGR>
?????????L238[08:56:30] <LuMistry> Mettaton_Fab's
"realname" is set to Chuck Norris
L239[08:56:30] <Mettaton_Fab> i am 15
years old.
L240[08:56:37] <MGR>
ah
<MGR>
ahL241[08:56:40] <DaMachinator> you must be
new here
L242[08:56:48] <Mettaton_Fab> also, i am
Chuck Norris.
L243[08:56:56] <MGR>
LuMistry, no, Chuck Norris is too smart to go C2
<MGR>
LuMistry, no, Chuck Norris is too smart to go C2L244[08:57:09] <DaMachinator> normal
people don't reveal their age on the internet
L245[08:57:27] <Mettaton_Fab> i could also
get an old AMD PC.
L246[08:57:35] <DaMachinator> how much do
you want to spend
L247[08:57:44] <Mettaton_Fab> just so i
can heat my room while playing games.
L248[08:58:00] <DaMachinator> buy a space
heater; it works better
L249[08:58:04] <Mettaton_Fab> <100 -
100€
L250[08:58:12] <MGR>
DaMachinator, old AMD > old Intel
<MGR>
DaMachinator, old AMD > old IntelL251[08:58:24] <DaMachinator> in freedom
money please
L252[08:58:34] <MGR> Athlon
64 > Pentium4
<MGR> Athlon
64 > Pentium4L253[08:58:54] <MGR> Ever
since AMD got Bulldozed (punz), it's been bad though
<MGR> Ever
since AMD got Bulldozed (punz), it's been bad thoughL254[08:58:55] <DaMachinator> i assume
that's euros
L255[08:59:13] <MGR> but
Zen may allow AMD to Ryzen from the ashes (even more punz)
<MGR> but
Zen may allow AMD to Ryzen from the ashes (even more punz)L256[08:59:15] <Mettaton_Fab> i also have
2 Pentium4 CPUs
L257[08:59:22] <Mettaton_Fab> both the
same type.
L258[08:59:24] <DaMachinator> i hope you
have a monitor already
L259[08:59:29] <LuMistry> so, I'm going to
step in here
L260[08:59:38] <LuMistry> Normally, I like
people having more hardware
L261[08:59:39] <DaMachinator> let's put it
this way
L262[08:59:41] <LuMistry> It lets me
grow
L263[08:59:55] <LuMistry> but Pentium 4's
are trash, you are trash, and you need to remove those from
existence immediately
L264[08:59:59] <DaMachinator> no computer
you can afford is going to be able to run anything released after
Vista came out
L265[09:00:19] <MGR>
LuMistry with the beatdown
<MGR>
LuMistry with the beatdownL266[09:00:24] <DaMachinator> I had a
Windows XP computer with a P4
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L268[09:00:32] <Lizzy> right, lets go do
work stuff
L269[09:00:34] <DaMachinator> it was crap
and could run Office 2007
L270[09:00:35] <DaMachinator> badly
L271[09:00:38] <DaMachinator> and nothing
else
L272[09:00:43] <DaMachinator> it couldn't
even internet
L273[09:00:56] <DaMachinator> (well, it
could, but Chrome barely ran)
L274[09:01:08] <DaMachinator> it was so
old it had a floppy drive
L275[09:01:13] <Mettaton_Fab> how poopy
was that winxp p4 pc?
L276[09:01:24] <DaMachinator> absolutely
awful
L277[09:01:35] <Mettaton_Fab> never use
Chrome on a Pentium4.
L278[09:01:43] <DaMachinator> as i said,
if it was made after Vista, it won't run
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L280[09:02:12] <Mettaton_Fab> its like
trying to watch 1080p movies on an old Apple PowerMac G5
L281[09:03:38] <DaMachinator> did i say
1080p
L282[09:03:45] <DaMachinator> (I
didn't)
L283[09:03:50] <DaMachinator> It wouldn't
load AT ALL.
L284[09:04:42] <Michiyo> my rental
software runs on a P4 dell with XP..
L285[09:04:49] <Michiyo> it takes 2-4
minutes to start the damn software
L286[09:04:54] <Michiyo> and the fan goes
100% while doing so
L287[09:05:09] <Mettaton_Fab> if you watch
1080p movies on said mac, you would have a space heater from
Apple.
L288[09:06:38] <DaMachinator> In short,
you should save money until you can afford better hardware, and
then get a PC.
L289[09:06:56] <DaMachinator> 19.34
million RP
L290[09:08:21] <MGR>
^^^^^^^^^^
<MGR>
^^^^^^^^^^L291[09:11:55] <Inari> RP?
L292[09:12:27] <MGR> Inari,
research points
<MGR> Inari,
research pointsL293[09:12:30] <MGR> in
FactoryIdle
<MGR> in
FactoryIdleL294[09:12:36] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6KLeHuy_Q ~
L295[09:12:36] <MichiBot> K-ON LETS
GO!!!!!! | length: 4m 8s | Likes: 94 Dislikes: 1
Views: 20,086 | by Khrizia Rosales | Published On
15/6/2010
L296[09:16:06] <MGR> This
power supply requires diesel fuel alone. Do not try to gas up with
anything else, or you will get a scolding from your mechanic.
<MGR> This
power supply requires diesel fuel alone. Do not try to gas up with
anything else, or you will get a scolding from your mechanic.L297[09:26:37] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0izhXZTvGM
L298[09:26:37] <MichiBot> Skyrim Really
useful dragons mod | length: 3m 21s | Likes:
272 Dislikes: 12 Views: 44,616 | by Wylie Coon |
Published On 10/12/2013
L299[09:27:52] <MGR> Say,
are you like me? Anxious for 80 Plus Plutonium? That way, you can
get the power company to pay you to run your rig. It would help a
lot with the bills from fighting the ensuing radiation
sickness.
<MGR> Say,
are you like me? Anxious for 80 Plus Plutonium? That way, you can
get the power company to pay you to run your rig. It would help a
lot with the bills from fighting the ensuing radiation
sickness.L300[09:28:54] <MGR> You're
not going to find something like this over at Great Wee Juniper or
Fresh Moocow Electronics, or any other random company started last
night in the back of a van by fired ex Powmax engineers, no
sir.
<MGR> You're
not going to find something like this over at Great Wee Juniper or
Fresh Moocow Electronics, or any other random company started last
night in the back of a van by fired ex Powmax engineers, no
sir.L301[09:29:02] <20kdc> eh,
just keep your computer away from your desk
<20kdc> eh,
just keep your computer away from your deskL302[09:29:27] <MGR> or
underwater
<MGR> or
underwaterL303[09:29:28] <Skye> Eh, just keep your
power supply away from your computer
L304[09:39:51] *
vifino snuggles Lizzy
L305[09:42:36] <Inari> Michiyo: http://imgur.com/a/BR2hC
L306[09:52:31] *
Lizzy snuggles vifino
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L310[10:12:26] <Mettaton_Fab> https://soundcloud.com/vantagenoise/we-are-number-one-but-its-vaporwave
L311[10:19:49] <DaMachinator> no
L312[10:20:41] *
DaMachinator whacks Mettaton_Fab with a hard disk drive full of
overused memes
L313[10:21:25] <DaMachinator> in other
news i need like $380mil before i can buy a set of electronics
equipment
L314[10:24:08] <MGR>
DaMachinator, lol
<MGR>
DaMachinator, lolL315[10:24:57] <DaMachinator> that doesn't
include the cost of a pair of plastic makers (because i already
have way too many of those)
L316[10:25:11] <DaMachinator> i finally
did get to 20mil RP, though
L317[10:26:35] <Forecaster> woop home once
more
L318[10:26:42] <Forecaster> after an
entire day offline
L319[10:27:12] <SolraBizna> Forecaster: my
entire local community has collapsed into a bizarre FactoryIdle
themed cult
L320[10:27:33] <Forecaster>
mwahahaha
L321[10:27:47] <SolraBizna> even one
person who hasn't played video games in months has started
playing
L322[10:28:54] <DaMachinator> lol
L323[10:29:03] *
Lizzy will be hading home soon
L324[10:29:06] <Lizzy> *heading
L325[10:29:10] <DaMachinator> all of the
wasted time
L326[10:29:16] <DaMachinator> so
beautiful
L327[10:29:33] *
DaMachinator tries desperately to increase his production
density
L328[10:29:47] *
DaMachinator wishes for 15 million RP to get wasteless
plastic
L329[10:29:57] <DaMachinator> in my
dreams...
L330[10:30:03] <Forecaster> wasteless
plastic is great
L331[10:30:23] <MGR>
wasteless plastic is my god
<MGR>
wasteless plastic is my godL332[10:30:26] <Forecaster> also, playing
on my main computer is great
L333[10:30:31] <MGR> it
would increase density by 1000000%
<MGR> it
would increase density by 1000000%L334[10:30:40] <Forecaster> I can see the
entire factory #1 without panning
L335[10:30:48] <Forecaster> couldn't do
that on the laptop
L336[10:30:49] <MGR> what
screen res?
<MGR> what
screen res?L337[10:30:53] <Forecaster> 1080p
L338[10:31:14] <Forecaster> dunno what the
laptop was
L339[10:31:36] <Forecaster> no-waste
electronics is also great by the way
L340[10:32:15] <MGR>
wasteless anything is great
<MGR>
wasteless anything is greatL341[10:33:38] <Forecaster> SolraBizna:
have you kept the spreadsheet for yourself? :P
L342[10:35:22] <Lizzy> HOME TYIME
L343[10:35:25] <SolraBizna> I can't even
use it myself, having a Google Doc open renders my laptop unusable
:|
L344[10:35:34] <Forecaster> yay
lizzy
L345[10:35:38] <Forecaster> SolraBizna:
wut
L346[10:35:46] <SolraBizna> (but that does
remind me I should show it to them)
L347[10:35:54] <DaMachinator> wasteless
plastic would allow me to increase density by a small but
non-negligible amount
L348[10:35:58] <SolraBizna> I
"only" have 1.5GB of RAM and a dual-core CPU
L349[10:36:12] <DaMachinator> esp. in
certain tight spaces
L350[10:36:15] <Forecaster> ah
L351[10:36:23] <Forecaster> you could
download the sheet and run it locally?
L352[10:36:27] <SolraBizna> having now
been inside one of their hives, I can say with certainty that
Google has lost touch with what it means to not have infinite
computing resources
L353[10:36:40] <Forecaster> might be more
efficient
L354[10:36:43] <MGR>
DaMachinator, it's a routing decrease too
<MGR>
DaMachinator, it's a routing decrease tooL355[10:36:47] <MGR> Plus
headache resolution
<MGR> Plus
headache resolutionL356[10:36:59] <SolraBizna> the problem is
the giant pile of JavaScript
L357[10:37:05] <DaMachinator> MGR: i'm not
using sorters
L358[10:37:08] <SolraBizna> I'm planning
to recreate it in, I dunno, ClarisWorks
L359[10:37:12] <DaMachinator> and it isn't
hard
L360[10:37:15] <SolraBizna> that actually
sounds fun...
L361[10:37:22] <Forecaster> I don't know
what that is
L362[10:37:29] <DaMachinator> TO THE
INTERNETS!
L363[10:38:07] <SolraBizna> on my older
laptop, WriteNow running in a Mac emulator was faster than any
native text editor
L364[10:38:12] <DaMachinator> Forecaster:
it's the long-deceased predecessor to the also-deceased
AppleWorks
L365[10:38:48] <Forecaster> ah
L366[10:39:12] <SolraBizna> AppleWorks is
ClarisWorks with lots of giant RGBA icons and more memory usage and
two of the modules inexplicably missing
L367[10:39:26] <SolraBizna> while
ClarisWorks was a great piece of software, AppleWorks was nearly
unusable on contemporary hardware
L368[10:40:08] <MGR>
DaMachinator, I'm not using sorters either
<MGR>
DaMachinator, I'm not using sorters eitherL369[10:40:25] <MGR> but
it's less conveyors and thinking about what needs to come out
where, and stuff
<MGR> but
it's less conveyors and thinking about what needs to come out
where, and stuffL370[10:40:27] <DaMachinator> that's
because apple == form over function
L371[10:40:47] <DaMachinator> 80 million
to go
L372[10:41:00] <SolraBizna> the Apple I
remember were the genuises who wrote the old HIG
L373[10:41:08] <DaMachinator> but at 20mil
i can implement half of the setup
L374[10:41:11] <SolraBizna> they went away
somewhere around 1994 during the Pink vs Blue wars
L375[10:42:06] <DaMachinator> the
internets has no idea what you are talking about and neither do
i
L376[10:42:18] <DaMachinator> HIG == Human
Interface (something) ?
L377[10:42:25] <SolraBizna> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taligent <-- start
here for Pink vs Blue
L378[10:42:36] <SolraBizna> HIG = Human
Interface Guidelines
L379[10:43:03] <SolraBizna> in particular,
they warn against excessive usage of color, non-standard UI
widgets, and excessively detailed icons
L380[10:43:17] <SolraBizna> all of which
Apple has been doing regularly for a long time now
L381[10:43:26] <DaMachinator> what is
"standard"
L382[10:43:56] <SolraBizna> in the case of
the HIG, the Mac Toolbox widgets or similar widgets to them
L383[10:44:08] <SolraBizna> in the case of
general principles, whatever is in common use on your
platform
L384[10:44:35] <SolraBizna> the HIG (and
I) does acknowledge the occasional need for a non-standard widget,
mind you
L385[10:45:52] <SolraBizna> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Viewmax_screen_shot.png
<-- you have to remember, when those HIG were written, this kind
of interface was *common* on other platforms
L386[10:46:13] <DaMachinator> my
eyes
L387[10:47:14] <DaMachinator> words do not
begin to describe how ugly that is
L388[10:49:47] <MGR> BURN
IT WITH FIRE
<MGR> BURN
IT WITH FIREL389[10:51:08]
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L390[10:51:43] <SolraBizna> I recommend
anyone with an interest in UI design read the HIG
L391[10:51:58] <SolraBizna> I was
surprised at how much of it still applies
L392[10:54:06] <DaMachinator> "just
because every computer nowadays has 8gb ram doesn't mean a browser
should use 3gb idle"
L393[10:54:31] <DaMachinator> "but
mah baeutiful gradients and fancy custom windows"
L394[10:55:07] <SolraBizna> don't forget
the hundreds of megabytes of JavaScript transpiled from another
language, per tab
L395[10:55:09] <MGR>
DaMachinator, my computer will have 32GB of RAM
<MGR>
DaMachinator, my computer will have 32GB of RAML396[10:55:20] <MGR> maybe
64 if I can pull it off under budget
<MGR> maybe
64 if I can pull it off under budgetL397[10:55:28] <SolraBizna> my desktop
does now and I still had to use an extension to rein in Chrome's
memory usage
L398[10:55:44] <SolraBizna>
(<Chrome> 32GB? All for me?)
L399[10:56:10] <Forecaster> what extension
is that?
L400[10:56:23] <SolraBizna> I forget, the
one that suspends background tabs
L401[10:56:32] <Forecaster> "The
Great Suspender"?
L402[10:56:37] <SolraBizna> I don't think
so
L403[10:56:44] <Forecaster> that's what I
use
L404[10:57:04] <MGR>
SolraBizna, I want to host an MC server off a RAMdisk
<MGR>
SolraBizna, I want to host an MC server off a RAMdiskL405[10:57:08] *
DaMachinator uses firefox
L406[10:57:11] <MGR>
because I have poor sense and too much money
<MGR>
because I have poor sense and too much moneyL407[10:57:20] <DaMachinator> that sounds
like a horrible idea
L408[10:57:21] *
Forecaster uses FF too
L409[10:57:32] <DaMachinator> why isn't a
solid state drive good enough for you
L410[10:57:41] <SolraBizna> I only have
32GB of RAM because 32GB of ECC RAM at a higher speed was cheaper
than 16GB of non-ECC RAM at a lower speed
L411[10:57:51] <DaMachinator> #logic
L412[10:58:02] <DaMachinator> and anyways
that will probably only improve loading times, and that by a
marginal amount
L413[10:58:16] <SolraBizna> it'll also
improve world-saving-related lag
L414[10:58:35] <SolraBizna> (there
wouldn't be any improvement over an SSD there)
L415[10:58:36] *
DaMachinator has passed $10k/t
L416[10:59:17] <DaMachinator> running a
server off a RAMdisk will improve loading times by a negligible
amount over an SSD...
L417[10:59:33] <DaMachinator> since most
of loading time is mods doing stuff to get ready, not stuff
actually loading
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L419[10:59:59] <MGR>
DaMachinator, why not?
<MGR>
DaMachinator, why not?L420[11:00:09] <MGR> Unless
I run out of RAM, why NOT run it off a RAMdisk?
<MGR> Unless
I run out of RAM, why NOT run it off a RAMdisk?L421[11:00:12] <SolraBizna> Forecaster: I
lost the link to your calculator since I cloned it :(
L422[11:00:51] <DaMachinator> power
loss
L423[11:01:22] <Forecaster> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1thz84J4UX8f8dBSGbOmfr0OI9t4WN1fMWUTLOBtpsbY/edit?usp=sharing
L424[11:01:31] <DaMachinator> MGR: I hope
you have an UPS
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L426[11:03:39] <Forecaster> I'm trying to
made an addon to the interface to replace the spreadsheet, but it's
resiting my attempts to extend it
L427[11:04:18] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NhijmGTwwo
L428[11:04:18] <MichiBot> Could You
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L430[11:05:39] <DaMachinator> electronics
production does not have the desired effect on my income
L431[11:05:50] <Inari> How? electronics is
great
L432[11:06:20] <MGR>
DaMachinator, what?
<MGR>
DaMachinator, what?L433[11:06:24] <MGR> why
would I need a UPS?
<MGR> why
would I need a UPS?L434[11:06:42] <DaMachinator> RAM is
volatile memory.
L435[11:07:13] <MGR>
ok
<MGR>
okL436[11:07:19] <MGR>
OHHHHHHHHHH
<MGR>
OHHHHHHHHHHL437[11:07:24] <MGR> why
not to do the RAMdisk
<MGR> why
not to do the RAMdiskL438[11:07:29] <MGR> yeah
yeah yeah, good point
<MGR> yeah
yeah yeah, good pointL439[11:12:11] <MGR> my
complaint to HP is slowly making its way to wherever it needs to
be
<MGR> my
complaint to HP is slowly making its way to wherever it needs to
beL440[11:12:26] <MGR> first
an HP employee on the forum turned it over to support
<MGR> first
an HP employee on the forum turned it over to supportL441[11:12:36] <MGR> then
(global?) support turned it over to support for my country
<MGR> then
(global?) support turned it over to support for my countryL442[11:12:43] <MGR> and
we'll see where it goes from there
<MGR> and
we'll see where it goes from thereL443[11:24:20] <Forecaster> http://theworstthingsforsale.com/2016/12/16/the-sexsall-machine/
L444[11:24:29] <Forecaster> wut xD
L445[11:24:30] <SolraBizna> Forecaster: if
you do succeed in extending it, let me know
L446[11:24:54] <SolraBizna> MGR: what
complaint?
L447[11:26:48] <MGR>
SolraBizna, HP deleted the BIOS off my computer
<MGR>
SolraBizna, HP deleted the BIOS off my computerL448[11:27:02] <SolraBizna> that... would
be a problem
L449[11:27:05] <MGR>
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Boot-and-Lockup/BIOS-Flashing-corrupted-BIOS/m-p/5894498/highlight/false#M102835
<MGR>
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Boot-and-Lockup/BIOS-Flashing-corrupted-BIOS/m-p/5894498/highlight/false#M102835L450[11:28:38] <SolraBizna> that is way
too many smiles
L451[11:32:08] <MGR>
SolraBizna, my thoughts EXACTLY
<MGR>
SolraBizna, my thoughts EXACTLYL452[11:32:42] <MGR> I
understand a couple, but he had ~8
<MGR> I
understand a couple, but he had ~8L453[11:36:20] <DaMachinator> as i said
yesterday it is probably someone whose job depends on meeting inane
performance metrics
L454[11:38:11] <Corded> * MGR shrugs
L455[11:38:22] <MGR> Could
do it with slightly less smileys
<MGR> Could
do it with slightly less smileysL456[11:45:47] <Forecaster> ey,
progress
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L458[11:50:14]
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L459[12:02:17] <MGR> well,
I'm getting close to 300M on my work computer, which will radically
increase density
<MGR> well,
I'm getting close to 300M on my work computer, which will radically
increase densityL460[12:04:18] <SolraBizna> I didn't know
about the money rewards for getting money
L461[12:04:34] <SolraBizna> every power of
10 you reach grants you 1/4 of it in bonus cash (e.g. $250M for
reaching $1B)
L462[12:04:41] <Forecaster> yep
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L464[12:23:36] <Forecaster> SolraBizna:
first iteration is operational if you want to try it
L465[12:23:43] <Forecaster> it only does
money right now
L466[12:25:05] <Forecaster> actually
nevermind, found another issue
L467[12:28:18] <Forecaster> SolraBizna:
https://gist.github.com/Forecaster/bc045b4ef97f797aeebfcf9a4d8ae1dc
L468[12:32:48] <SolraBizna> use by loading
via JavaScript console?
L469[12:42:31] <Forecaster> or with
tampermonkey or the like if you want it auto-loaded when the page
loads
L470[12:42:41] <Forecaster> that's what I
do
L471[12:43:22] <Forecaster> oh, it only
works correctly on the overview screen also
L472[12:43:32] <Forecaster> when in a
factory it can't get the total income
L473[12:44:14] <Forecaster> but it's still
better than entering values into a spreadsheet manually :P
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L476[12:49:12] *
Michiyo blehs
L477[12:49:54] <Forecaster> :O
L478[12:49:57] <Vexatos> Forecaster,
tampermonkey? you mean greasemonkey :^)
L479[12:50:03] <Forecaster>
it'samichyo
L480[12:50:17] <Forecaster> except with
the name spelled correctly
L481[12:50:43] <Forecaster> Vexatos: not
if you're using chrome :P
L482[12:50:57] <Forecaster> then it's
tampermonkey
L483[12:51:00] <Vexatos> You mean, not if
I'm not intending to get greaser pinged
L484[12:51:20] <Forecaster> maybe that
oo
L485[12:51:21] <Forecaster> too*
L486[12:51:23] <Michiyo> lol
L487[12:51:59] <Michiyo> the first half of
my day consisted of taking 3 Ithaca 80 thermal printers, and making
one
L488[12:52:13] <Michiyo> I had one that
didn't feed, one that faded half the print, and one that didn't
cut.
L489[12:52:16] <MGR> Useful
for basketball games when Shaquille O'Neal is coming at you like a
freight train, I guess. You can use the power supply like a flail
and whack him with it before he runs over you.
<MGR> Useful
for basketball games when Shaquille O'Neal is coming at you like a
freight train, I guess. You can use the power supply like a flail
and whack him with it before he runs over you.L490[12:52:19] <Michiyo> I now have one
printer that does all 3 things
L491[12:52:33] <Michiyo> well...
L492[12:52:37] <Michiyo> it doesn't fade
the print :p
L493[12:52:43] <Michiyo> it prints
properly :P
L494[12:57:39] <Forecaster> hrm, it seems
it's getting something wrong unless you have "Use Total
Avg" on
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L499[13:30:38] <MGR> got my
oil upgrade
<MGR> got my
oil upgradeL500[13:30:55] <MGR> but it
doesn't matter, because I'm overwriting my work save with my home
save next workday anyways
<MGR> but it
doesn't matter, because I'm overwriting my work save with my home
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L507[14:20:47] <Forecaster> SolraBizna:
just so you know, not having "Use Total Avg" on displays
the wrong time
L508[14:21:09] <SolraBizna> good to
know
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L511[14:49:21] <Forecaster> SolraBizna:
updated, issue fixed
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L513[14:52:25] <SolraBizna> not gonna make
a proper repo for it?
L514[14:53:24] <Forecaster> it's just one
file, it doesn't need a repo does it?
L515[14:53:38] <SolraBizna> simple enough
to set up
L516[14:59:56] <Forecaster> but it's also
not really necessary
L517[15:13:44] <SolraBizna> can you fork /
submit issues on a gist?
L518[15:17:29] <Forecaster> you could just
tell me if you find any issues
L519[15:20:48] <GreaseMonkey> p sure the
greasemonkey firefox plugin predates chrome entirely
L520[15:21:02] <SolraBizna> but what if it
becomes Super Popular?
L521[15:24:36] <Forecaster> I might make
one once I've added support for research as well
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L532[16:16:08] <Forecaster> SolraBizna:
https://github.com/Forecaster/factoryidle_eta_plugin
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L541[16:26:37] <SolraBizna> :D
L542[16:30:01] <SolraBizna> It doesn't
accept M as a suffix for million
L543[16:30:13] <SolraBizna> otherwise (now
that I've finally gotten the chance to try it) it works great
L544[16:30:15] <Forecaster> it's case
sensitive
L545[16:30:22] <SolraBizna> M is the SI
suffix for million
L546[16:30:25] <Forecaster> and I only
check for m
L547[16:31:05] <Forecaster> not really
gonna be confused for meters
L548[16:31:21] <SolraBizna> but I
automatically type M when I mean million :(
L549[16:31:44] <SolraBizna> (and G for
billion)
L550[16:31:55] <g> I like SolraBizna for
billion better
L551[16:31:58] <g> :3
L552[16:32:04] <SolraBizna> lol
L553[16:32:05] <Forecaster> then type mil
instead for now
L554[16:32:36] <SolraBizna> to be clear, I
consider it a very minor issue
L555[16:33:28] <Forecaster> that's fine,
I'll fix it at some point
L556[16:33:34] <Forecaster> but for today
I'm done with it
L557[16:33:44] <SolraBizna> in the mean
time you've saved me however many megabytes GNUmeric uses
L558[16:34:59] <S3> you mean
zetabytes
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L564[16:58:59] <Forecaster> SolraBizna:
not to mention a bunch of typing :P
L565[16:59:04] <SolraBizna> indeed
L566[17:11:08] <MGR> I have
KiloFactory
<MGR> I have
KiloFactoryL567[17:22:43] <Kodos> What
does the research thinger mean, with each metal report?
<Kodos> What
does the research thinger mean, with each metal report?L568[17:23:30] <MGR> @Kodos
do you have the metal lab unlocked?
<MGR> @Kodos
do you have the metal lab unlocked?L569[17:23:38] <S3> oh hey kodos
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L571[17:24:04] <SolraBizna> It can hold a
certain number of Metal Reports. When it undergoes a processing
cycle, it will consume every Metal Report it holds, and each one of
them will increase the produced RP by the given amount.
L572[17:24:07] <Kodos> Not
yet, I just bought a research
<Kodos> Not
yet, I just bought a researchL573[17:24:13] <MGR>
because you can feed iron/steel into a metal lab and feed that into
the research lab for bonus research
<MGR>
because you can feed iron/steel into a metal lab and feed that into
the research lab for bonus researchL574[17:24:24] ⇦
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L576[17:25:06] <Kodos>
Wel
<Kodos>
WelL577[17:25:14] <Kodos> I
have this so far, plus some other stuff on other platforms http://puu.sh/sRYhq/d821057dbf.png
<Kodos> I
have this so far, plus some other stuff on other platforms http://puu.sh/sRYhq/d821057dbf.pngL578[17:27:22] <Forecaster> https://github.com/sidke/fimod
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L581[17:50:01] <MGR> @Kodos
do research and unlock the metal lab
<MGR> @Kodos
do research and unlock the metal labL582[17:50:16] <SolraBizna> if you want to
get any significant research output, anyway
L583[17:50:27] <MGR> feed
said lab iron/steel, and then pipe it into the research lab
<MGR> feed
said lab iron/steel, and then pipe it into the research labL584[17:50:32] <MGR> that
will boost your research a lot
<MGR> that
will boost your research a lotL585[17:52:12]
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L586[17:56:42] <gudenau>
Anyone mind? Is this all I need to implement an inventory now?
http://pastebin.com/HAX5Ud97
<gudenau>
Anyone mind? Is this all I need to implement an inventory now?
http://pastebin.com/HAX5Ud97L587[17:56:50] <gudenau>
L33tH4X
<gudenau>
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L606[19:20:52] <BlueZero> Hmm. Does the
Switch Block operate in the same manner as a switch IRL operates?
Or would it be better to make my own out of an OC Computer and
program designation of mac addresses and such?
L607[19:21:41] <BlueZero> Stupid to
re-invent the wheel considering there's already a switch block, but
it doesn't seem to have any information about whether or not it
assigns IDs to computers connected to it.
L608[19:23:19] <BlueZero> IF it kind of
just sends packets down the pipe all whilly-nilly like, then I
suppose I'd rather program a computer to assign Mac Addresses to
each computer connected to it.
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L610[19:23:40] <CompanionCube> why not
look on the wiki
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L612[19:24:00] <CompanionCube> also, every
computer already has the equivalent of a MAC address
L613[19:27:44] <MGR>
BlueZero, if you're looking for network routing GERTi may suit your
needs
<MGR>
BlueZero, if you're looking for network routing GERTi may suit your
needsL614[19:27:47] <MGR> once
it releases....
<MGR> once
it releases....L615[19:31:01] <BlueZero> I was looking
over ocdoc.cli.cli and the documentation it has there, but it
didn't seem to state anything to do with a MAC Address so I assume
then that it's incomplete?
L616[19:31:13] <BlueZero> cli.li,
rather.
L617[19:31:29] <BlueZero> I'll check out
the wiki and see what it has there to better understand.
L618[19:31:31] <SolraBizna> UUIDs
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L620[19:31:39] <SolraBizna> every
component has its own UUID
L621[19:31:46] <SolraBizna> the docs tend
to refer to it as an address
L622[19:32:50] <BlueZero> Ah, ok so then
the Switch logs the UUID from the computer sending the packet, then
routes it to the other computer attached to it if it's targeting a
specific computer?
L623[19:36:42] <BlueZero> Been trying to
figure out how I can create the OSI model in OC, which explains my
curiosity. I'll go over the wiki page instead.
L624[19:37:46] <BlueZero> Or...... Ok
never mind, I am.
L625[19:38:28] <SolraBizna> unfortunately
I haven't used Switches much myself
L626[19:39:58] <BlueZero> Ah, no worries.
I just got the idea of making an "internet backbone" kind
of equivilant in OC as just a little personal project. I don't
think I should start with the trunklines though.
L627[19:56:57] <S3> BlueZero: join the
Ocranet project
L628[19:58:11] <S3> BlueZero: if you've
studed anything about data networks at all, you would understand
that trunks are the most crucial part of your network design, and
everything should be built down from there..
L629[19:58:50] <BlueZero> Ah ok. I thought
a Tier 1 setup would be best dealt with last as programming TCP/IP
I haven't done yet.
L630[19:59:10] <BlueZero> And Ocranet
sounds interesting. Do you have a link? I can't find any results on
google.
L631[20:00:14] <S3> it's a project that
some of us are involved with. I have a few. It is a set of
standards actually.
L632[20:01:07] <S3> there's OCRS, OCRM,
GERT, and OCR-NNR (GERT and OCR-NNR are by far the best and only
ones you'd be interested in)
L633[20:01:34] <S3> OCRM is high bandwidth
and not suitable for the trunks you're talking about most likely,
it's for mega trunks.
L634[20:01:45] <S3> OCRM is similar to
SONET
L635[20:01:57] <S3> OCR-NNR is similar to
IPv6 without the fat
L636[20:02:32] <S3> GERT is another
Ocranet routing protocol, like OCR-NNR, which is to become the
defacto standard shipped "easy to use" protocol
L637[20:03:17] <S3> OCR-NNR is more OSPF
like
L638[20:03:36] <BlueZero> Hmm. This sounds
interesting.
L639[20:03:46] <S3> so the way this
works-
L640[20:03:54] <S3> Ocranet is a pun on
the term ARPANET
L641[20:04:07] <BlueZero> xD Shit.
L642[20:04:10] <S3> the term was invented
by CompanionCube himself, when I asked for a name.
L643[20:04:11] <BlueZero> Of course.
L644[20:04:33] <S3> I have been behind
Ocranet's development since day one.
L645[20:05:03] <S3> Ocranet is just the
term for the entire class of protocols, ok? it's all built on top
of a protocol I call "OCR"
L646[20:05:26] <S3> OCR, unlike modern IP
networking is a circuit switched, connection oriented protocol that
is independent of routing.
L647[20:05:37] <S3> and that's where it is
magical. "Routing protocol independent"
L648[20:05:52] <S3> this means that you
can build your own routing system on top of it
L649[20:06:09] <S3> because of this it is
very different than modern protocols today
L650[20:06:33] <S3> GERT uses Telephone
numbers to handle routing of infrastructure
L651[20:06:51] <S3> OCR-NNR uses Link
Local addresses similar to IPv6 that are based off of network card
UUIDs
L652[20:07:18] <S3> and it is critical to
OCR that these protocols are designed with
"compatability" in mind, so that they can cross
communicate.
L653[20:07:39] <S3> this means that you,
BlueZero can make your own IP routing for OCR if you want and
connect it to say a GERT or NNR backbone.
L654[20:08:05] <S3> also, both GERT and
OCR-NNR have support for inter-server communication, allowing you
to connect multiple MC servers together.
L655[20:08:48] <S3> BlueZero: it's a lot
of typing, but what do you think so far? my docs are on my other
laptop, just haven't dug it out yet
L656[20:09:14] <BlueZero> Hmm.
Interesting. I thought about trying to emulate how networking works
as closely as possible, but this seems more interesting as it's
focused on the MC infrastructure and communities.
L657[20:09:27] <S3> if you want to compare
OCR to an existing protocol you can compare it to ATM
L658[20:10:06] <BlueZero> Though as of
right now, I'm not quite sure what I'd be able to bring to the
table as far as that's concerned. Right now all I have is some
knowledge of how some things work.
L659[20:10:45] <S3> well I came up with it
because a) TCP has no purpose in Minecraft really. b) IP works but
is packet switched,circuit switching has a more old school feel to
it. c) jitter is a problem in packet switched networks under
load.
L660[20:11:05] <S3> however you can
circuit switch IP
L661[20:11:27] <S3> BlueZero: OCR packets
only have a two part header, very tiny.
L662[20:11:37] <S3> there's no source and
destination at all
L663[20:11:42] <S3> just a VPI and a
VCI
L664[20:12:20] <BlueZero> Virtual Path,
and Virtual Channel Identifiers?
L665[20:12:25] <S3> yes
L666[20:12:29] <S3> just like ATM
L667[20:12:37] <S3> and all of the packets
are fixed length
L668[20:12:52] <S3> all cells are the same
size, reducing jitter and allowing explicit QoS management
L669[20:13:30] <BlueZero> That's pretty
cool.
L670[20:13:45] <BlueZero> And a lot more
simplistic sounding when it comes to efficiency.
L671[20:15:29] <BlueZero> Yeah, I like the
sounds of this.
L672[20:15:32] <SolraBizna> BlueZero: OC
isn't about knowing stuff and using it to make Perfect Systems,
it's about learning and/or having fun
L673[20:15:40] <SolraBizna> so don't
worry
L674[20:16:37] <BlueZero> Fair enough. Not
gonna lie, something of this scale is a tad bit intimidating, but I
am interested in it.
L675[20:20:59] <S3> it's more sound scary
than is
L676[20:21:13] <S3> here, I can give an
example of NNR backboning
L677[20:22:20] <S3> I think itl make a lot
of sense
L678[20:22:54] <BlueZero> Alright,
sure.
L679[20:23:04] <S3> BlueZero: first of
all, do you know what a UUID is?
L680[20:23:14] <S3> every network card,
no, every component in OC has one even
L681[20:23:19] <S3> including the computer
itself
L682[20:24:33] <BlueZero> Looked it up. I
understand it's useage.
L683[20:24:54] <BlueZero> It's like
generating a hash for a checksum, kinda.
L684[20:25:55] <S3> yes
L685[20:26:02] <S3> it's a number that is
"potentially unique"
L686[20:26:20] <S3> if you were to
generate what was it an average of 1 million UUIDs per second
L687[20:26:22] <S3> for 100 years
L688[20:26:35] <S3> you only have like a
50% chance of having two that are identical
L689[20:26:58] <S3> for the general use
case, that chance is spread out over the time it will take until
the universe ends
L690[20:27:00] <S3> supposedly
L691[20:27:12] <BlueZero> Yeah, I
gotcha.
L692[20:27:33] <S3> yeah, the real
prediction is year 3000 something. Anyways-
L693[20:27:38] <S3> so here's a UUID:
bd7d8023-1115-4399-9292-817c27e070ed
L694[20:27:56] <S3> let's say that the
network card's UUID is that
L695[20:28:19] <vifino> looks like a fs
uuid too.
L696[20:28:28] <S3> same idea
L697[20:28:38] <vifino> exact same order
of numbers.
L698[20:28:47] <S3> BlueZero: so I need a
16 bit number in hexadecimal
L699[20:28:50] <S3> just give me something
random
L700[20:29:04] <S3> this will be your
local scope unique ID
L701[20:29:21]
⇨ Joins: Doty1154
(~Doty1154@2601:648:8000:134f:7d44:9156:9fb7:8582)
L702[20:29:30] <S3> (this is generated
automatically at random in an NNR network)
L703[20:30:01] <BlueZero> Hmm, ok give me
a second.
L704[20:30:07] <BlueZero> 16 bit?
L705[20:30:13] <S3> anywhere from 0 to
FFFF
L706[20:30:19] <S3> I don't need four
digits necessarily
L707[20:30:25] <S3> this number doesn't
matter
L708[20:30:46] <BlueZero> e9 d2 06 3e b7
0d 74 30
L709[20:30:47] <S3> it's what seperates
you from your network to the network you are directly connetced
against
L710[20:30:54] <BlueZero> I don't recall
if each individual was a bit.
L711[20:30:59] <BlueZero> Shit's a little
fuzzy.
L712[20:31:11] <S3> woah what
L713[20:31:16] <S3> that's 64 bit
L714[20:31:28] <BlueZero> Oh wiat.
L715[20:31:28] <S3> heheh
L716[20:31:29] <BlueZero> Lolwtf.
L717[20:31:34] <BlueZero> I'm retarded, my
bad.
L718[20:31:38] <S3> :)
L719[20:31:40] <S3> you're fine
L720[20:31:54] <BlueZero> I thought you
meant like 16 bit as in the line for some reason.
L721[20:32:04] <S3> itl be between 0 and
FFFF
L722[20:32:12] <S3> this number isn't very
important
L723[20:32:13] <BlueZero> So I'm like,
"Well if each letter representation equalling a bit, then it's
8 segments?"
L724[20:32:27] <S3> each letter is 4 bits
heh
L725[20:32:45] <BlueZero> Ah ok, I
gotcha.
L726[20:32:46] <S3> you can be
simple
L727[20:32:54] <S3> and give me say just
the number 7 I don't care
L728[20:33:03] <S3> it's still 16 bit at
that point
L729[20:33:35] <S3> I just need some
random number you want to use so that I can show you how simple it
is to create a network
L730[20:34:11] <S3> I'm going to randomly
assign one, here, I'll say it's 7F
L731[20:34:26] <S3> this is your link
local parameter, 7F
L732[20:34:43] <S3> in general as I said,
this is usually generated for you and you don't need to know it
unless something breaks
L733[20:34:48] <BlueZero> Can go with just
5e f3 then.
L734[20:34:53] <S3> okay
L735[20:34:57] <S3> fine 5EF3
L736[20:35:22] <S3> so we have two things
here, bd7d8023-1115-4399-9292-817c27e070ed for your network card's
UUID and 5EF3 for your link local parameter
L737[20:35:41] <S3> so what OCR-NNR
does
L738[20:35:48] <S3> is take your uuid and
create an address for you
L739[20:35:51] <S3> this is your
"LAN" address
L740[20:35:55] <S3> local only
L741[20:36:32] <S3> this address will be
0000:5EF3::817c27e070ed
L742[20:36:51] <S3> I didn't just make it
up, this is how I did that:
L743[20:37:08] <S3> the first 16 bits is
your address type. 0000 is "Link Local"
L744[20:37:38] <S3> the second 16 bits is
your paremeter field. for link local addresses, this is how
networks that are against eachother know they are different.
L745[20:37:39] <BlueZero> That's
cool.
L746[20:37:44] <BlueZero> That's a lot
more simple than I figured.
L747[20:37:47] <S3> yes.
L748[20:37:59] <S3> this only lets you
speak to your computers in your network
L749[20:38:21] <S3> so what do you do when
you want to talk to othernetworks? easy! you need another address.
and there's only two things you need:
L750[20:38:38] <S3> first, you need a
network id, and then a subnet id. the subnet id is OPTIONAL.
L751[20:39:04] <S3> let's say you just
want to be simple. so, you come up with a 32 bit network ID
L752[20:39:08] <S3> Got one in mind?
L753[20:39:26] <S3> 32 bit, that's 0 to
FFFFFFFF
L754[20:39:54] <BlueZero> Hmm.
L755[20:39:57] <S3> this one is not
generated, you have to make this one up on your own for your
network OR if you're part of somebody elses setup you may have to
ask for one
L756[20:40:10] <S3> I have a
recommendation BlueZero
L757[20:40:14] <S3> go with DEADBEEF
L758[20:40:16] <S3> XD
L759[20:40:26] <S3> that's hexadecimal lol
lol
L760[20:40:32] <BlueZero> Lol sure, we'll
go with that then.
L761[20:40:35] <S3> okay
L762[20:40:43] <S3> have you ever watched
dragon ball Z?
L763[20:40:51] <BlueZero> Yes.
L764[20:41:26] <S3> so the other type of
address is "Global Scope" a global scope address is
reachable by any other network connected to trhe backbone or
whatever.
L765[20:41:31] <S3> hence
"global"
L766[20:41:48] <S3> the address type for
global scope is 9001, because it's over 9000.
L767[20:41:57] <BlueZero> God
damnit.
L768[20:42:01] <S3> hahaha
L769[20:42:01] <SolraBizna> lol
L770[20:42:10] <S3> you guessed eh?
L771[20:42:17] <BlueZero> Bloody hell,
yeah ok.
L772[20:42:21] <S3> hah
L773[20:42:24] <BlueZero> Damn puns.
D:<
L774[20:42:43] <S3> so your computers
internet address , or global address will be the following:
L775[20:42:59] <BlueZero> So then it would
be 9001:5EF3::817c27e070ed?
L776[20:43:01] <S3>
9001::DEADBEEF:817c27e070ed
L777[20:43:12] <BlueZero> Oh wait, yeah
ok.
L778[20:43:15] <S3> yeah
L779[20:43:29] <S3> 5EF3 is a parameter,
global scope addresses have no parameters
L780[20:43:33] <S3> so the parameter is
always 0000
L781[20:43:47] <S3> the double colon
operator is for your simple use
L782[20:43:55] <S3> itr means "fill
in zeroes yntil I say otherwise"
L783[20:44:17] <SolraBizna> like in
IPv6?
L784[20:44:24] <S3> yes
L785[20:44:30] <S3> and shit I messed up
hold on
L786[20:44:45] <S3> your address is
9001:0000DEADBEEF::817c27e070ed
L787[20:44:47] <S3> there.
L788[20:44:49] <S3> oops
L789[20:44:51] <S3> GAH
L790[20:44:56] <S3> your address is
9001:0000:DEADBEEF::817c27e070ed
L791[20:44:58] <S3> I'm sorry about
that
L792[20:45:09] <S3> so betyween deadbeef
and the 817 number is your subnet id
L793[20:45:13] <S3> but you never chose a
subnet
L794[20:45:22] <S3> so it's just 0000, and
that's shortened to ::
L795[20:45:29] <S3> you can't use :: more
than once.
L796[20:45:49] <S3> (ipv6 is the same way
really)
L797[20:46:10] <BlueZero> Ah ok.
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L799[20:46:17] <S3> but BlueZero this
should seem fairly simple
L800[20:46:24] <S3> your network is
DEADBEEF
L801[20:46:32] <S3> everyone on your
network should have DEADBEEF in it
L802[20:46:39] <S3> your subnet is ignored
since you aren't using it
L803[20:46:46] <S3> and all global
addresses start with 9001:0000
L804[20:46:55] <BlueZero> That format's
global networks though only right? So the example of:
0000:5EF3::817c27e070ed Is only LAN oriented where as
9001:0000:DEADBEEF::817c27e070ed is meant for the global network
grid?
L805[20:46:59] ***
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L806[20:47:16] <S3> yes
L807[20:47:23] <S3> this gives us
benefits:
L808[20:47:32] <BlueZero> Ah ok,
cool.
L809[20:47:40] <S3> first of all, you can
create a LAN only network with machines that have global scope you
want connected to the grid
L810[20:47:53] <S3> security benefits
^
L811[20:48:04] <gamax92> https://twitter.com/klei/status/805926033413193728
L812[20:48:05] <MichiBot> Mon Dec 05
18:05:14 CST 2016 @klei: .@sonic_hedgehog it's beautiful. thanks
fam. Back at yah <3 https://t.co/FwwmUoZNym
L813[20:48:07] <S3> you can't route with a
link local, it just isn't possible
L814[20:48:14] <gamax92> hey S3 look at
that twitter link
L815[20:48:21] <S3> ok
L816[20:48:49] <S3> LOL gamax92
L817[20:49:40] <S3> BlueZero: you'll find
that all machines in a network use their link local addresses to
talk
L818[20:49:47] <S3> and all routes use the
link local to find the "next router"
L819[20:49:50] <S3> if that makes
sense
L820[20:50:50] <S3> but I find OCR-NNR to
be quite simple to set up. Implementation in the code? it's not so
bad. it uses a recursive routing table strategy.
L821[20:51:41] <gamax92> S3: make sure to
abuse tailcalls when possible
L822[20:51:46] <BlueZero> Yeah, it's not
so crazy. I'm starting to structure it in my head and it makes
better sense.
L823[20:51:46] <S3> BlueZero: also this
may blow your mind or maybe it won't but all routing is done at
connection time. after you're connected, the routers don't do
anything besides forward. your path is predetermined.
L824[20:51:49] <S3> gamax92: yes
L825[20:52:00] <S3> I was so happy when I
discovered that TCO exists in Lua
L826[20:52:16] <S3> also BlueZero
L827[20:52:31] <S3> you don't have to have
a network for the backbone seperately
L828[20:52:50] <S3> for examople, lets say
you have network a, and network b, seperate by a 1 kilometer long
wire backbone
L829[20:52:54] <BlueZero> Predetermined?
As in it figures out the best routing destination for the connected
system?
L830[20:53:09] <S3> with NNR, you do not
have to have a network seperately just for the backbone part, in
fact that is not recommended.
L831[20:53:14] <S3> yes it does
L832[20:53:37] <S3> when you connect to
sometrhin g, it builds a circuit recursively down the backbone for
you before ant data transmits
L833[20:53:45] <S3> when you disconnect,
it is torn down
L834[20:54:23] <BlueZero> Hmm. Does it
reroute if the path is interrupted?
L835[20:54:34] <BlueZero> Or actively find
better paths?
L836[20:54:58] <S3> yes. though it can be
slower than a packet switched reroute
L837[20:55:24] <S3> it will reroute after
a switch group has determined that the other is down when not
receiving any updates.
L838[20:55:43] <BlueZero> Ah ok, cool. I
like that.
L839[20:56:42] <S3> obviously I haven't
documented that part of it way too much yet
L840[20:56:50] <BlueZero> By the sounds of
that, each router is in constant communication between eachother,
not just simply routing data.
L841[20:57:00] <S3> so itl probably not be
implemented yet when it first rolls out soon
L842[20:57:16] <S3> yes they use a
signalling protocol
L843[20:57:20] <S3> it's similar to
PNNI
L844[20:57:24] <S3> which is based on the
idea of OSPF
L845[20:57:33] <S3> it has a
"Hello" message
L846[20:57:50] <S3> it's actually
useful
L847[20:58:03] <S3> becuase it is exactly
how your computer can automatically connect to a network
L848[20:58:07] <S3> without the need of
DHCP
L849[20:58:25] <S3> your computer can be
wired to just give itself an IP based on what the switches
say
L850[20:59:21] <gamax92> S3: what about a
rogue computer?
L851[20:59:37] <BlueZero> Ah ok, I see. I
thought about implementations of that sort of thing, so I was going
to model it after ICMP, but that sounds like that'll work.
L852[21:01:22] <BlueZero> A rogue
computer?
L853[21:01:40] <S3> gamax92: so, in the
case of a rogue computer worry
L854[21:01:59] <S3> you could have a list
of link local addresses which are allowed to be added to the
routing table.
L855[21:02:10] <S3> this is simular to mac
restricted DHCP
L856[21:02:27] <BlueZero> Aaahhhh, ok,
that sort of thing. Blacklisting and Whitelisting, then.
L857[21:02:31] <S3> there's only so much
you can do when somebody is tethered on your wire
L858[21:02:36] <S3> even in real
life
L859[21:02:41] <gamax92> true
L860[21:03:00] <BlueZero> Would you be
considering end to end encryption for that?
L861[21:03:49] <S3> I think that if you
wanted that you'd be more interested in doing it in another
layer
L862[21:03:52] <S3> not the routing
level
L863[21:04:07] <BlueZero> True.
L864[21:04:19] <S3> but maybe you
would
L865[21:04:28] <S3> what do we have for
options here
L866[21:05:24] <S3> we do have a data
card
L867[21:05:29] <S3> one concern is
this
L868[21:05:39] <S3> I'm using Izaya's tiny
kernel
L869[21:05:42] <S3> that fits on an
EEPROM
L870[21:05:50] <S3> I want this to work on
microcontrollers
L871[21:05:52] <S3> and fit
L872[21:06:41] <BlueZero> Yeah, that would
be a bit of an option adding an encryption mechanism onto a small
space such as that.
L873[21:06:45] <SolraBizna> authentication
of any kind is practically never done in the link layer
L874[21:07:32] <S3> you're right, there is
onion routing though which isn't far from it
L875[21:07:45] <BlueZero> I just thought
about whether or not one would want a closed, private system or
trunkline between a bunch of computers and networks.
L876[21:08:02] <SolraBizna> Such things
are generally done through physical security
L877[21:08:13] <SolraBizna> encase your
trunk line in obsidian, patrol constantly
L878[21:08:22] <SolraBizna> encase the
obsidian in lava, and encase that in furnaces!
L879[21:09:09] <BlueZero> Lol yeah, might
be a bit much and most likely slow the process down, too.
L880[21:09:17] <BlueZero> Especially if
there's a lot of data streaming back and forth.
L881[21:09:47] <S3> also, if you're
worried about people stealing your addressess..
L882[21:09:51] <S3> keep in mind
L883[21:09:59] <S3> you have 2 ^ 48
addresses per network
L884[21:09:59] <S3> lol
L885[21:11:00] <BlueZero> Naw, I mean
someone connecting their own computer to a trunkline and writing
software that'll allow for something similar to ARP
Poisoning.
L886[21:11:02] <S3> that's 281474976710656
addresses
L887[21:11:07] <S3> on each
L888[21:11:15] <S3> with 2 ^ 32
networks
L889[21:11:21] <S3> spread out over 2 ^ 16
subnets per network
L890[21:11:25] <BlueZero> But the
likelihood of that is next to none, considering who would do that
on a minecraft server.
L891[21:11:40] <S3> 6535 subnets per
network1
L892[21:11:42] <S3> :D
L893[21:12:02] <BlueZero> Lol pretty
robust then.
L894[21:12:21] <S3> your DoS vulnerability
would be bandwidth
L895[21:12:24] <S3> not addresses XD
L896[21:13:03] <S3> also keep in mind that
the length of the address part is 48 bits which is the lentth of a
MAC address
L897[21:13:07] <S3> not that -hard- to
remember
L898[21:13:13] <S3> and with a DNS setup
you wont' need to anyways
L899[21:13:31] <gamax92> just make it into
a song
L900[21:13:41] <S3> now this is my
protocol, the standard shipped protocol will be GERT
L901[21:13:57] <S3> GERT is much
different, and much more simple, it may do what you want out of the
box
L902[21:14:06] <S3> it uses telephone
numbers internally
L903[21:14:20] <S3> OCR-NNR suggests the
use of telephone numbers as a layer 1 DNS solution
L904[21:14:29] <S3> with a layer 2 DNS on
top to route to telephone numbers
L905[21:14:46] <S3> (for heiarchy design
on heiarcical networks)
L906[21:14:47] <gamax92> oh that is fairly
short
L907[21:14:51] <gamax92> 725c2fc515d4, 48
bits
L908[21:15:08] <S3> lol
L909[21:15:25] <S3> I may not memorize all
my MAC addresses gamax92, but I sure recognize them when I see
themn
L910[21:15:59] <gamax92> sounds like test
strategies
L911[21:16:29] <gamax92> Doesn't know the
answer and would fail if required to write, but can recognize it in
a multiple choice question
L912[21:17:25] <BlueZero> Hmm, and you say
you're on the verge of releasing it and putting up docs for
it?
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L914[21:18:00] <S3> yeah. Also there's one
more feature of NNR I didn't mention that may be useful to
you
L915[21:18:10] <S3> every switch has one
of two modes, "subnet" or "network"
L916[21:18:29] <S3> in network mode the
subnet is completely ignored in routing so it switches faster.
subnet mode is really , really cool
L917[21:18:52] <S3> I think you'll like
this
L918[21:18:59] <S3> let's say you have an
ISP in town A
L919[21:19:04] <S3> or I mean
L920[21:19:08] <S3> let's say you ARE an
ISP
L921[21:19:15] <S3> and you have a place
in town A and town C
L922[21:19:21] <S3> lets say town B owns
the backboe
L923[21:19:23] <S3> backbone*
L924[21:19:29] <S3> between A and C
L925[21:19:56] <S3> town B is owned by
some other ISP, which has the network of 12345678
L926[21:20:08] <S3> your network is
DEADBEEF
L927[21:20:28] <S3> so you, as an ISP have
FULL control over what goes in the subnet field
L928[21:20:43] <S3> it can be from 0000 to
FFFF, so let's say you just called them 0 and 1.
L929[21:20:50] <S3> er nah
L930[21:20:52] <S3> 1 and 2
L931[21:20:56] <S3> so in town A
L932[21:21:18] <S3> you have
9001:0000:DEADBEEF:1:some_address
L933[21:21:46] <S3> now in town 2, you do
not have to use a different network
L934[21:21:58] <S3> you can have
9001:000:DEADBEEF:2:some_address in town C
L935[21:22:03] <S3> and it just
works.
L936[21:22:17] <BlueZero> Aaaaah, ok,
that's cool.
L937[21:22:21] <BlueZero> Branching.
L938[21:22:25] <S3> the switches
automatically can handle subnetted addresses that are split
L939[21:22:27] <S3> yeah
L940[21:22:45] <S3> without creating a
heiarcical network
L941[21:23:19] <S3> I did this to reduce
the ammount of network addresses people used.
L942[21:23:37] <BlueZero> That's cool. I
like that.
L943[21:23:50] <S3> yeah, the problem is
it's slower upon initial connection
L944[21:23:55] <S3> the switches will
cache it
L945[21:24:29] <S3> but it needs to
"find" its neighboring networks, and if they are very far
away, it can really slow it down, so I recommend using different
network IDs when they are far apart
L946[21:24:44] <S3> like, 20 + hops, which
I doubt will ever happen
L947[21:25:22] <S3> it uses a method
similar to Ethernet switches where they spam for a route, but it's
"smart" in that it uses some info to guess which
difrections would most likely give them a good result
L948[21:25:30] <S3> or at least that's
planned.
L949[21:25:55] <S3> it's real intent
besides address saving is to allow ISPs to split their
networks.
L950[21:26:28] <S3> BlueZero: what's also
nice is that ISPs, besides being mean and blocking it, can't
control your address scope in your house in some MC village
L951[21:26:45] <S3> you, as a MC home
owner with your network can request a network ID that is routable
for global addresses
L952[21:26:51] <S3> regardless of your
provider
L953[21:27:11] <S3> and anyone who breaks
that expectation will hear from me :P
L954[21:27:24] <S3> because that is an
anti pattern
L955[21:29:31] <BlueZero> Ah ok, I
see.
L956[21:30:09] <BlueZero> You'd have to
have the network connected to the branch though for that,
right?
L957[21:30:40] <S3> likewise, if this
happens, you can actually put an internet card in and connect to
one of my outside of MC switches that form the big Ocranet trunk
for a Minecraft Internet
L958[21:30:58] <S3> right
L959[21:31:11] <S3> and nobody's going to
do that
L960[21:31:55] <BlueZero> Interesting. I
like this. How does it connect server to server, though?
L961[21:33:23] <S3> same protocol. You
have an OC machine with an Internet card, and connect it to an
external OCR switch
L962[21:33:49] <S3> somewhere on that
backbone you do it with a second OC machine which could be on
another server or in single player even
L963[21:34:21] <BlueZero> Hmm.
L964[21:34:40] <BlueZero> That's cool
then.
L965[21:34:48] <S3> BlueZero: unfinished
but: http://pb.i0i0.me/p/RGjRzQgx
L966[21:35:26] <BlueZero> Cool. I'll read
it over and get a better understanding of it.
L967[21:35:26] <S3> that details
OCR-NNR
L968[21:35:39] <S3> if you're interested,
GERT is documented here: https://gist.github.com/Gavle/ce05e8621d07e625274ad6a46c446b4f
L969[21:35:59] <S3> which is another
routing protocol, becoming the primary (because most people will
not want to use NNR)
L970[21:36:09] <S3> I am working with it
to make it compatible
L971[21:36:26] <S3> so you can have a GERT
network in between NNR or the other way around and the addressing
"just works"
L972[21:37:08] <BlueZero> Alright cool.
I'll give'm both a read over.
L973[21:37:16] <BlueZero> I gotta head out
now though, but thanks for the info dude!
L974[21:37:22] <BlueZero> I'll see if I
can't build applications off of this then.
L975[21:37:43] <S3> yeah
L976[21:37:55] <S3> well use what you
want
L977[21:38:03] <S3> if you want IP, I'd
love to see an OCR-IP
L978[21:38:19] <S3> as long as it could
connect to GERT and NNR networks
L979[21:38:57] <BlueZero> I donno, I'll
probably come up with something, or something separate. I'm not
sure exactly what I'd do, but at first I thought about emulation of
current world methods of networking.
L980[21:39:08] <BlueZero> I gotta do a lot
of digging to figure out how exactly it works by the sounds of that
though.
L981[21:39:27] <BlueZero> Right down to
the hardware programming level of it, I wanted to try and emulate
it.
L982[21:39:59] <BlueZero> Anyway, Talk to
ya later!
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L985[21:44:02] <SolraBizna> Forecaster /
other victims: http://i.imgur.com/myBTnOQ.png <--
my friends are better at this game than me
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L989[21:52:40] <S3> SolraBizna: Real world
networking emulation would be interesting but would not be
optimized for the MC environment and would probably be very
slow
L990[21:52:54] <S3> at least in larger
networks
L991[21:53:33] <SolraBizna> ?
L992[21:53:43] <SolraBizna> I am not
BlueZero, to my knowledge
L993[21:54:02] <SolraBizna> though I was
going to post OETF #3 as a standard for Ethernet-over-OC and
OC-over-Ethernet...
L994[21:55:08] <SolraBizna> (the former as
a way for emulated "real OSes" to talk to each other with
simple methods, the latter being for no good reason)
L995[21:57:53] <S3> lol
L996[22:03:01] <S3> SolraBizna: I sent
that to you since you were involved earlier
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L1003[22:43:38] <Kodos> o/
L1004[22:43:45] <Antheus> howdy
Kodos
L1005[22:43:52] <Antheus> %weather
76020
L1006[22:43:52] <MichiBot> Current
weather for Azle, TX Current Temp: 65.7°F/18.7°C Feels Like:
65.7°F/18.7°C Current Humidity: 77% Wind: From the South 3.0
Mph/4.8 Km/h Conditions: Clear
L1007[22:44:04] <Antheus> .-.
L1008[22:44:06] <Kodos> %weather
62012
L1009[22:44:07] <MichiBot> Current
weather for Brighton, IL Current Temp: 30.9°F/-0.6°C Feels Like:
31°F/-1°C Current Humidity: 89% Wind: From the SSE 0.0 Mph/0.0 Km/h
Conditions: Overcast
L1010[22:44:24] <Kodos> %weather
Pocatello ID
L1011[22:44:25] <MichiBot> Current
weather for Pocatello, ID Current Temp: 15.3°F/-9.3°C Feels Like:
15°F/-9°C Current Humidity: 91% Wind: From the NW 0.0 Mph/0.0 Km/h
Conditions: Snow
L1012[22:44:35] <Antheus> It's supposed
to get down to the teens on saturday night where I live :3
L1013[22:44:38] <Antheus> wind chill near
0
L1014[22:44:50] <Antheus> %weather
hell
L1015[22:44:51] <MichiBot> No data
returned
L1016[22:44:57] <Antheus> .-.
L1017[22:45:57] <Caitlyn> %weather Hell,
Norway
L1018[22:45:58] <MichiBot> Current
weather for Hell, Norway Current Temp: 45.1°F/7.3°C Feels Like:
45°F/7°C Current Humidity: 99% Wind: From the East 2.7 Mph/4.3 Km/h
Conditions: Overcast
L1019[22:46:10] <Caitlyn> %weather Hell,
Michigan
L1020[22:46:10] <MichiBot> Current
weather for Hell, MI Current Temp: 15.8°F/-9.0°C Feels Like:
7°F/-14°C Current Humidity: 93% Wind: From the ESE 5.8 Mph/9.3 Km/h
Conditions: Snow
L1021[22:46:16] <Temia> %weather
98122
L1022[22:46:16] <MichiBot> Current
weather for Seattle, WA Current Temp: 22.3°F/-5.4°C Feels Like:
22°F/-5°C Current Humidity: 83% Wind: From the North 0.0 Mph/0.0
Km/h Conditions: Clear
L1023[22:46:22] <Hovercraft> I like how hell is in norway
so it literally freezes over because norway
<Hovercraft> I like how hell is in norway
so it literally freezes over because norwayL1024[22:46:39] <Caitlyn> %weather Hell,
Cayman Islands
L1025[22:46:40] <MichiBot> Current
weather for Hell, Cayman Islands Current Temp: 80.5°F/26.9°C Feels
Like: 84°F/29°C Current Humidity: 70% Wind: From the ESE 16.0
Mph/25.7 Km/h Conditions: Partly Cloudy
L1026[22:46:55] <Caitlyn> %weather hell,
Netherlands
L1027[22:46:56] <MichiBot> Current
weather for Hell, Netherlands Current Temp: 39.6°F/4.2°C Feels
Like: 40°F/4°C Current Humidity: 89% Wind: From the East 0.6
Mph/1.0 Km/h Conditions: Mostly Cloudy
L1028[22:47:08] <Caitlyn> There Antheus
that's the weather in hell... it's a wide range today
L1029[22:47:19] <Hovercraft> %weather Hong Kong
<Hovercraft> %weather Hong KongL1030[22:47:19] <MichiBot> No data
returned
L1031[22:47:39] <Temia> Michigan probably
makes up the 9th level.
L1032[22:47:39] <Hovercraft> no data for the hell that
isn't named hell
<Hovercraft> no data for the hell that
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L1034[23:04:09] <Kodos> Bleh, Making
mineral veins for IE with CT is a pain
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L1037[23:19:12] <Kodos> Decided to swap
out AR and put Galacticraft back in, since it has a recent update
now
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