OCLogs: 2016-05-06.log

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L3[00:00:25] <gamax92> mmm, good ol weird box like tearing

L4[00:00:41] <Trangar> Rocket launch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lYZLxr3L4E

L5[00:00:42] <MichiBot> JCSAT-14 Technical Webcast | length: 0 milliseconds | Likes: 407 Dislikes: 12 Views: 2912 | by SpaceX

L6[00:00:52] <Trangar> It's live!

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L12[00:20:24] <Trangar> Live rocket launch in 1 min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lYZLxr3L4E

L13[00:20:24] <MichiBot> JCSAT-14 Technical Webcast | length: 0 milliseconds | Likes: 545 Dislikes: 12 Views: 3871 | by SpaceX

L14[00:20:41] <gamax92> is gonna launch soon!

L15[00:20:57] <Trangar> is gonna boom soon!

L16[00:23:08] <gamax92> that speed though

L17[00:24:01] <Trangar> It's only 83k km/h

L18[00:26:37] <Trangar> Is it seriously only halfway to it's target speed?

L19[00:30:10] <Trangar> IT LANDED

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L22[00:31:20] <gamax92> Vexatos!

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L26[00:33:15] <Vexatos> Me!

L27[00:33:19] <Trangar> You!

L28[00:35:09] <asie> >length: 0 milliseconds

L29[00:35:11] <asie> ;_;

L30[00:35:47] <Trangar> It's live :P there's a different json response for that

L31[00:35:56] <asie> I know

L32[00:35:59] <asie> But still

L33[00:36:11] <Trangar> They landed a rocket, okay!

L34[00:43:12] <gamax92> dammit Steam ...

L35[00:43:20] <gamax92> Why do you want to revalidate every mod :P

L36[00:43:59] <Trangar> Because steam

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L41[00:49:22] <lperkins2> is there a shell for OC that can run inside a process?

L42[00:49:51] <lperkins2> I'd like to spawn a shell from a script and send commands to it

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L51[01:48:21] <Saphire> hi

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L53[01:51:01] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysxz5Ug70G0 heh

L54[01:51:02] <MichiBot> Julia Sweeney has "The Talk" | length: 9m 26s | Likes: 1482 Dislikes: 44 Views: 155571 | by TED

L55[01:51:08] <Inari> and hi

L56[01:52:48] <Skye> Morning.

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L72[03:05:13] <KittyKath> S3: Did you know that if you try really hard you can hear "USA" in morse in the battlefield 3 theme? (It sounds more like USUSUSUS but ya know.. makes for a better story :P)

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L76[03:22:02] <gamax92> grabbed the latest intel microcode file and unpacked it, found latest revision for my cpu was 0xA0B

L77[03:22:26] <gamax92> looked at dmesg in linux and see "microcode updated early to revision 0xa0b", good ...

L78[03:22:43] <gamax92> looked at the intel identification tool in Windows and see A0C

L79[03:22:58] <gamax92> but where does does this version come from.

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L90[05:15:55] <Inari> Vexatos: hmm whats a more accurate way of saying "it smells chemical" / "es riecht nach chemie"? :p i meanb everything is chemistry so that expression doesnt make much sense... what else to say? it smells of industrial chemicals?

L91[05:16:49] <Vexatos> It smells

L92[05:17:12] <Inari> that doesnt specify what it smells of

L93[05:17:25] <Vexatos> then specify

L94[05:17:32] <Inari> yeah.. but what to say :P

L95[05:17:34] <Vexatos> "It smells of solvents", "it smells of ammonia"

L96[05:17:40] <Vexatos> it depends on what you're smelling >_>

L97[05:17:42] <Inari> i have no clue how solvent smell

L98[05:17:43] <Inari> :D

L99[05:18:39] <Vexatos> if it's not ammonia and you aren't vomiting when you smell it and it's acrid, chances are high it's some sort of chemical solvent >_>

L100[05:19:05] <Inari> lol

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L111[06:41:17] * Lizzy has a pasty

L112[06:43:06] * Trangar has a glass of water :(

L113[06:48:19] * KittyKath still has some brownies left

L114[06:54:58] <Lizzy> :O

L115[06:55:53] * Lizzy steals some

L116[06:58:52] <Inari> so uhhhhhh

L117[06:59:03] <Inari> where do i find a good computer chair with the features i want

L118[06:59:04] <Inari> :D

L119[07:01:00] <Trangar> What's your budget?

L120[07:01:18] <Izaya> nowhere

L121[07:01:22] <Izaya> they all suck

L122[07:01:25] <Izaya> just steal one

L123[07:01:33] <Trangar> maxnomic is good but expensive as fuck

L124[07:02:20] <Inari> well

L125[07:02:26] <Inari> will take a look at those I guess

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L128[07:05:04] <Inari> hm

L129[07:05:10] <Inari> maxnomic has weird armrests

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L131[07:06:21] <Inari> meh, this is gointg to be another thing where i never find what i want I think haha

L132[07:07:23] <Inari> or at least noone seems to be doing stuff like armrests you can angle and that are filled and not like cutouts

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L134[07:08:09] <Inari> angle sideways, skewing to the back that is

L135[07:11:48] <Lizzy> :O is windows actually listening to it's route metrics properly?

L136[07:11:54] <Lizzy> it is

L137[07:11:56] <Lizzy> holy shit

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L141[07:33:45] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/LeopJbO.jpg

L142[07:41:44] * vifino groans and zombie-walks up to Lizzy

L143[07:44:46] * Izaya hits vifino with a wooden staff

L144[07:45:36] <vifino> oww

L145[07:45:40] <vifino> :<

L146[07:46:04] <Izaya> being a zombie near me is probably a bad idea atm

L147[07:46:45] <Inari> Izaya: wheres that from

L148[07:46:55] <Izaya> Elder Scrolls Online

L149[07:47:00] * Inari casts Heal on vifino, damagin him due to undead affinity

L150[07:47:14] <Inari> i miss ragnarok

L151[07:47:15] * Inari sighs

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L153[07:47:29] <Izaya> why is there so much undead stuff on this island

L154[07:47:36] <Izaya> zombies, yellow dudes, purple dudes

L155[07:47:41] <Inari> i never really got into ESO either haha

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L157[08:19:13] <vifino> Izaya: I am not a zombie.

L158[08:19:18] <vifino> Well, mostly.

L159[08:19:29] <Izaya> okay good

L160[08:19:30] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/HdjFcBj.jpg

L161[08:19:40] <vifino> Or at least not of the "eat your brains" type of guy. I'll have them served to me on a silber tablet.

L162[08:20:51] <Inari> silber, eh

L163[08:22:10] <vifino> silver.

L164[08:22:16] <vifino> darn kexboard.

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L166[08:51:49] <Mimiru> I think my fucking skull is going to explode

L167[08:51:50] <Mimiru> ¬_¬

L168[08:52:09] <Inari> > fucking skull > explode

L169[08:52:10] <Inari> lewd

L170[08:52:24] <Mimiru> I wish this was lewd

L171[08:52:57] <asie> Sangar: how 1.9 is OC so far?

L172[08:53:09] <Mimiru> 1.6.4ish

L173[08:53:09] <Mimiru> :P

L174[08:53:41] <asie> :P

L175[08:54:55] <vifino> What's up, Mimiru?

L176[08:55:09] <vifino> Why is your fucking skull going to be exploding?

L177[08:55:16] <Mimiru> vifino, headache from hell, but I'm off today at least

L178[08:55:25] <vifino> :/

L179[08:55:37] <vifino> Get better soon, Mimiru.

L180[08:55:49] <Mimiru> downside is 3 year old will be up soon... no rest for the wicked :P

L181[08:55:54] <Mimiru> hopefully I will heh

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L184[08:57:18] <Inari> aspirin!

L185[08:58:30] <Mimiru> I've taken 3 250mg aspirin/250mg acetaminophen/65mg caffeine

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L187[09:01:26] <Mimiru> Yay, ISP upgraded my speed

L188[09:01:30] <Mimiru> 30/3 up from 20/2

L189[09:01:52] <Mimiru> for free, none the less

L190[09:02:06] <Mimiru> why do I space that

L191[09:02:09] <Mimiru> nonetheless

L192[09:02:17] <Mimiru> it's like automatic, and it annoys the fuck out of me.

L193[09:03:04] * vifino is still stuck with "32/1" which is in reality 10/.5

L194[09:03:15] <KittyKath> Poor vifno

L195[09:03:23] <vifino> Poor me, yes.

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L197[09:03:51] <KittyKath> And I'm just sitting here doing my system updates with 12MB/s :P

L198[09:04:10] <vifino> ;_;

L199[09:04:35] <vifino> KATHY PLS STOP TRYING TO MAKE ME JELLY SO MUCH

L200[09:04:45] <KittyKath> Nope

L201[09:04:48] <Mimiru> "Great Deal Alert: For $30,000 You Can 3D-Print a Life-Size Clone of Yourself For Mother's Day"

L202[09:04:50] <Mimiru> o_O

L203[09:04:57] <KittyKath> Ew

L204[09:05:23] <Mimiru> http://michi.pc-logix.com/2016-05-06_09-05-05.png

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L206[09:06:09] <KittyKath> What's the next step? Customizable True Companions? *shudders*

L207[09:06:30] <S3> Morning

L208[09:06:40] <Trangar> My windows won't even update any more

L209[09:06:45] <Trangar> I think I broke it

L210[09:06:51] <Mimiru> http://gizmodo.com/great-deal-alert-for-30-000-you-can-3d-print-a-life-s-1775090941

L211[09:07:00] <KittyKath> It's windows. It's broken by design Trangar.

L212[09:07:15] <Trangar> True

L213[09:07:33] <Mimiru> I'd roll my eyes, but my head hurts enough as is

L214[09:07:48] <KittyKath> :x

L215[09:07:49] <vifino> KittyKath: you should totally get me a permanent place/room at your place. You'd get a Factory New Special Edition Life-Sized vifino in exchange.

L216[09:08:00] <KittyKath> <.<

L217[09:08:01] * vifino is so darn sick of slow internet ;_;

L218[09:08:20] <S3> vifino: 300 baud!

L219[09:08:25] <S3> so fast

L220[09:08:26] <vifino> S3: Get off.

L221[09:08:29] <vifino> Get out*

L222[09:08:31] <vifino> wtf brain

L223[09:08:51] <S3> vifino: I actually have my radio working a bit better with the TCP/IP stuff for sending sensitivity

L224[09:08:59] <vifino> KittyKath: pls? the internet, the brownies, all of this is driving me nuts

L225[09:09:40] <KittyKath> You don't even want to see me, do you? You just want to eat brownies and have fast internet? Jerk. <.<

L226[09:10:17] <Trangar> Well... yeah...

L227[09:10:58] <vifino> KittyKath: No, of course I want to see you. Who else will deliver brownies to me? ^.^

L228[09:11:00] <S3> frigging irccloud is annoying

L229[09:11:17] <S3> vifino: the pot man

L230[09:11:18] <S3> ?

L231[09:11:32] <vifino> Uh, no. Regular brownies.

L232[09:11:38] <S3> lol

L233[09:11:43] <vifino> I mean, maybe not, you never know what KittyKath is up to.

L234[09:12:04] <S3> Nope

L235[09:12:09] <S3> ebcause she's a cat

L236[09:13:49] <KittyKath> S3: Give me access to sufficient amounts of high enough quality marihuana and I will make you pot brownies too.

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L239[09:16:22] * Lizzy grabs vifino and snuggles

L240[09:17:44] <vifino> :3

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L242[09:18:03] <S3> KittyKath: I do not do drugs

L243[09:18:05] <S3> :P

L244[09:18:24] <S3> But now I know who does! ^^

L245[09:18:32] <S3> lololol

L246[09:19:52] <KittyKath> ?

L247[09:21:02] <S3> ?!

L248[09:22:02] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjY3eM7Ta7A ~

L249[09:22:03] <MichiBot> "How to Take Off Your Mask" OP /『貴方の仮面の外し方』OPムービー | length: 1m 11s | Likes: 71 Dislikes: 0 Views: 3716 | by roseVeRte

L250[09:22:06] <KittyKath> So many people are still stuck up in the "Drugs are bad and if you do drugs you are bad too" mentality. Shame

L251[09:22:08] <Trangar> Hey weed's legal over here

L252[09:22:17] <Trangar> I want to get some when I get back

L253[09:22:44] <KittyKath> Trangar: Decriminalized. Not legal

L254[09:23:15] <Trangar> It's not illegal if it's below 10 grams

L255[09:23:33] <KittyKath> You don't know what decriminalized means, do you?

L256[09:24:00] <Trangar> I do

L257[09:24:21] <Trangar> I just like my phrase better :P

L258[09:25:10] <S3> Oh hi Sangar

L259[09:25:13] <S3> er, damn it!

L260[09:25:17] <Trangar> Good job

L261[09:25:36] * Mimiru slowclap

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L263[09:25:41] <Inari> hi Trsangar

L264[09:25:55] <Trangar> My transgender friends also call me transgar

L265[09:25:58] <Inari> hmm Strangar would be easier to pronounce

L266[09:25:59] <Trangar> Or just tranny

L267[09:26:04] <Inari> o.o

L268[09:26:07] <Mimiru> ._.

L269[09:26:16] <Trangar> I'm the only cis person on their server :D

L270[09:26:21] <Trangar> It's funny because irony

L271[09:27:49] <Inari> cis: miami? *hides*

L272[09:28:01] <Mimiru> ¬_¬

L273[09:28:04] <Trangar> csigender

L274[09:28:16] <Mimiru> "-_-

L275[09:28:20] <Mimiru> damn enter key

L276[09:28:38] <KittyKath> THat's what she said.

L277[09:28:54] <Mimiru> Yes, that IS what I said... :P

L278[09:29:17] <Lizzy> KittyKath, vifino: http://www.speedtest.net/result/5305259857.png on my laptop, over wifi whilst all my traffic is routed out to Athar

L279[09:29:23] <Lizzy> (which is in france)

L280[09:29:30] <Trangar> sacre bleu

L281[09:29:36] <Inari> you enter hey turns ¬_¬ into -_-?

L282[09:29:50] <Inari> er, rather the other wayt around

L283[09:29:50] <Inari> :p

L284[09:29:55] <Mimiru> No, my enter key cause me to send that before I closed the quotes.. :P

L285[09:30:05] <Inari> ah :P

L286[09:30:16] <Inari> unbalanced quotes :3

L287[09:30:24] <KittyKath> Mimiru: Well that way it looked like a more pissed off version of -_- so it was fitting.

L288[09:30:25] <Mimiru> yes 1_1

L289[09:30:31] <Mimiru> lol..

L290[09:30:33] <Trangar> """"-_-

L291[09:30:34] <Mimiru> ffs

L292[09:30:36] <Mimiru> 1_1

L293[09:30:37] <Inari> kujibiki unbalance~

L294[09:30:43] <Mimiru> god damn, I can't type with these fucking migraines

L295[09:30:54] <Trangar> GET PAINKILLERS AND LAY DOWN

L296[09:31:06] <KittyKath> STOP YELLING SHE ALREADY HAS A HEADACHE

L297[09:31:12] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWiM-uhU6xk

L298[09:31:12] <MichiBot> Kujibiki Unbalance - UNDER17 | length: 4m 40s | Likes: 188 Dislikes: 1 Views: 18941 | by impureuphoria

L299[09:31:13] ⇦ Quits: brandon3055 (~Brandon@122.129.140.1) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L300[09:31:16] <Mimiru> I've taken painkillers, laying down involves entering a room with a sleeping 3 year old, let's NOT wake her up

L301[09:31:39] <Inari> morphine?

L302[09:31:46] <Mimiru> I wish

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L304[09:32:01] <S3> Mimiru: ITS WORKING!

L305[09:32:05] <S3> I'm so excited

L306[09:32:08] <Mimiru> o_O

L307[09:32:08] * S3 does a dance on his server

L308[09:32:14] <Trangar> STOP YELLING SHE HAS A MIGRAINE

L309[09:32:28] * Inari does a dance ona server next to S3

L310[09:32:28] <Mimiru> …

L311[09:32:43] * Mimiru dances on S3's server... in the rack

L312[09:32:44] <S3> Trangar: CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

L313[09:32:45] <S3> :)

L314[09:32:45] <Lizzy> technic shizzel?

L315[09:32:46] <Inari> WHO HAS A MIGRAINE?

L316[09:32:53] <Mimiru> <---

L317[09:32:57] <S3> Mimiru: that would be bad

L318[09:33:03] * Lizzy gives Mimiru some ear buds

L319[09:33:05] <S3> I can not get headaches

L320[09:33:18] <Inari> Mimiru: strawberry milku!

L321[09:33:20] <S3> ear buds can cause headaches to become worse

L322[09:33:35] <Mimiru> I need to see if I can get SuPeRMiNoR2 to have an optional flag for SSD to unpack configs

L323[09:33:37] <S3> because the ammount of bacteria in your ear increases several hundred percent in just 20 minutes

L324[09:34:00] <Lizzy> lol https://www.theender.net/shx/orlin/5d25-7e.png Windows 8.1 after an up-then-downgrade to/fromm windows 10

L325[09:34:00] <Corded> Lizzy: 5d25 = 64 ( 9, 19, 7, 18, 11 ) ~ 12.8

L326[09:34:03] <Mimiru> I'd do it, but my python sucks

L327[09:34:08] <Mimiru> wtf corded.. lol

L328[09:34:12] <Lizzy> wahh?

L329[09:34:18] <Mimiru> 5d25-7e.png

L330[09:34:18] <Corded> Mimiru: 5d25 = 85 ( 8, 15, 16, 24, 22 ) ~ 17

L331[09:34:39] <Inari> 1d1

L332[09:34:43] <Inari> :<

L333[09:34:46] <Lizzy> Hah

L334[09:34:47] <Mimiru> 1d2

L335[09:34:47] <Corded> Mimiru: 1d2 = 2

L336[09:34:53] <Inari> 1dNaN

L337[09:35:02] <Inari> 1d-2

L338[09:35:08] <S3> I'd do it, but python sucks

L339[09:35:09] <Mimiru> smfh

L340[09:35:14] <S3> :D

L341[09:35:17] <Inari> Mimiru: what

L342[09:35:41] <S3> Lizzy: whats what windows looks like these days?

L343[09:35:46] <Inari> i want a spaded tail and cat ears D:

L344[09:36:00] <Lizzy> S3, ?

L345[09:36:11] <S3> so evil

L346[09:36:16] <Mimiru> I have cat ears and a tail... it's not spaded though :P

L347[09:36:23] <Lizzy> :O

L348[09:36:28] * Lizzy should totally get some

L349[09:36:31] <S3> some humans have tails

L350[09:36:58] <S3> Lizzy: no you already have fins and scales, you're a siren

L351[09:37:06] <Inari> S3: yeah very ugly crippled tails :P

L352[09:37:11] <Lizzy> I'm not a sea siren!

L353[09:37:16] <S3> lol!

L354[09:37:20] <S3> then what-

L355[09:38:09] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2a30--j37Q o hlook lizzy's moaning again

L356[09:38:10] <MichiBot> Nuclear Alarm Siren - 10 minutes (World War III) | length: 10m 8s | Likes: 12536 Dislikes: 694 Views: 2866070 | by Prestigigator

L357[09:38:18] <Lizzy> .-.

L358[09:38:41] <S3> guys

L359[09:38:48] <S3> i REALLY miss the industrialcraft alarms

L360[09:39:02] <S3> I used those with WR-CBE along all the railroads and stuff

L361[09:39:11] <Mimiru> get the sounds, and use them with OpenSec

L362[09:39:17] <S3> so if the reactor blew up miles away we'd know it, and when morning came it rang 3 times

L363[09:39:19] <S3> :)

L364[09:39:31] <S3> so that us cave dwellers knew when to go outside

L365[09:39:31] <Inari> i usually built my reators to not blow up

L366[09:39:41] <S3> oh yes that's one thing

L367[09:39:53] <Mimiru> OpenSec can play any .ogg you throw in the proper directory

L368[09:39:55] <S3> but my friend set up the computer craft computer once and rebooted the server (years ago)

L369[09:40:02] <S3> and so the reactor just stayed on until it went bam

L370[09:40:10] <S3> and there went four fully loaded reactors

L371[09:40:20] <Inari> your control cricuitry isnt up to spec :3

L372[09:40:28] <S3> we put the reactor at the very bottom of the ocean near bedrock

L373[09:40:34] <S3> inside of where B C quarries dug

L374[09:40:35] <asie> Mimiru: idea - integrate OpenSecurity with Computronics

L375[09:40:37] <Mimiru> Yeah I had redstone control overrides for everything

L376[09:40:45] <asie> tapes for alarms

L377[09:40:56] <S3> Mimiru: Have you seen my redstone serial project?

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L379[09:41:25] <Inari> redstone cereal hmmm

L380[09:41:27] <Mimiru> S3, idk

L381[09:41:33] <Mimiru> asie, that sounds like a pain :p

L382[09:41:48] <S3> It's really slow but extremely easy to build with something like project red or so, and I was hoping you could share and save ICs but meh. it is slow, about 1 - 2 bps but it takes care of lag issues and latency of bits

L383[09:41:56] <Lizzy> S3, do you mean the Nuclear Control mod?

L384[09:42:03] <S3> nah

L385[09:42:21] <Mimiru> OpenSec totally stole the default NC klaxon :p

L386[09:42:41] <S3> with like, an extremely small ammount of components you can put together in just minutes, I designed a TX and RX circuit that can send 1 byte on a signal like so:

L387[09:43:01] <Inari> Lizzy: plase dont moan liek that btw

L388[09:43:03] <Inari> that would be scary

L389[09:43:08] <Lizzy> I think i have an archive somewhere with various alarms in it

L390[09:43:24] <Mimiru> Inari, scary awesome, right?

L391[09:43:29] <Inari> nah

L392[09:43:30] <Inari> scary scary

L393[09:43:31] <S3> --__--____--__--____--------__----------------____------____-----_---------

L394[09:43:36] <Inari> stop morsing

L395[09:43:40] <S3> which is 10101001

L396[09:43:54] <Lizzy> .../---/...

L397[09:44:00] <Temia> Ooh, Lizzy

L398[09:44:01] <S3> and the space between bits is not important and such

L399[09:44:03] <Temia> Can I have a copy?

L400[09:44:05] <S3> no clock required

L401[09:44:11] <Lizzy> Temia, of the alarms?

L402[09:44:15] <Temia> My shmup work could use some better alarms :>

L403[09:44:19] <S3> Inari: it's not morse, but it could be used for that

L404[09:44:25] <S3> if I was using morse I'd just use - and .

L405[09:44:43] <Lizzy> hmm, i'll see if i can find it later

L406[09:44:43] <S3> Inari: I was displaying a redstone signal

L407[09:44:50] <S3> (active low)

L408[09:45:47] <S3> either way, I can use it to send messages to many different systems easily and cheapily with just redstone and WR-CBE

L409[09:45:52] <S3> on one freq

L410[09:47:32] <Temia> Thank you~

L411[09:47:43] <Lizzy> Mimiru, can the OpenSec alarm block thingy do multiple different alarms or is it just a single one

L412[09:47:54] <Lizzy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQf8Mns_sK8

L413[09:47:54] <MichiBot> Silent Hill Siren (Zombie Outbreak Siren) **Long Edit** (Now with Download Link) | length: 4m 39s | Likes: 6209 Dislikes: 198 Views: 1402213 | by Jerome Harper

L414[09:48:18] <Mimiru> you can switch alarms on the fly, not sure if it'll change without you calling stop() then start() again though (IIRC you have to start/stop :P)

L415[09:48:32] <Lizzy> ah, that's good

L416[09:48:51] <Lizzy> don't mind the starting and stopping, just wasn't sure if you'd have to reload the game or something like that

L417[09:48:53] <S3> if I receive signals with my transmitter, I can use an and gate to connect to a redstone signal emitting from say a reactor

L418[09:49:03] <Mimiru> Any .ogg you put in mods\OpenSecurity\sounds\alarms should work, (If they're too long they can cause the game to hang while it buffers it)

L419[09:49:07] <S3> so if it blows up the receive signal line drops low and stays low indicating a problem :)

L420[09:49:35] <Lizzy> https://youtu.be/q5FwsIkJCXU?t=1m20s

L421[09:49:35] <MichiBot> WWII Carter Air Raid Siren | length: 4m 40s | Likes: 4368 Dislikes: 293 Views: 1335610 | by duprebs

L422[09:50:14] <Lizzy> i love those sirens

L423[09:50:31] <Inari> i love gas turbines :;

L424[09:50:31] <Lizzy> exspecially the spinup and spindown

L425[09:52:13] <Inari> i mean i dont usually like engines, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_BWFxhbWc4 how acn you not love that sound

L426[09:52:14] <MichiBot> Very Cool Turbine Start - Bell 206 Jet Ranger Startup | length: 2m 19s | Likes: 348 Dislikes: 20 Views: 207953 | by padtango

L427[09:53:02] <S3> I don't Inari

L428[09:53:08] <Inari> :<

L429[09:53:45] <Inari> its such a good goosebumps feeling though :D

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L431[09:54:18] <S3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj4Zg1ocCq4

L432[09:54:19] <MichiBot> Mooney M20 Bravo Engine Start-up at KFXE | N78875 | length: 48s | Likes: 7 Dislikes: 0 Views: 5403 | by Airforceproud95

L433[09:54:22] <S3> this sound is much better

L434[09:54:31] <S3> btw I flew one of those (a diff model though)

L435[09:54:42] <Inari> meh

L436[09:54:44] <Inari> that sounds like a car

L437[09:54:45] <Inari> :p

L438[09:55:44] <Inari> i love the pristine sound of jet engines~

L439[09:59:00] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/Hjincqj.jpg

L440[10:00:26] <Lizzy> Inari, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNcWwUUk5Vw

L441[10:00:27] <MichiBot> Boeing 767-300 engine startup.MOV | length: 1m 35s | Likes: 1741 Dislikes: 118 Views: 1116586 | by nandovision10

L442[10:04:23] <Trangar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySwuQhruBo

L443[10:04:24] <MichiBot> Beautiful wasp zombifies cockroach | length: 5m 23s | Likes: 507 Dislikes: 6 Views: 59541 | by Team Candiru

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L445[10:07:41] <Inari> Lizzy: way too quiet and badly recorded :p

L446[10:07:49] <Lizzy> yeah

L447[10:09:02] <Lizzy> https://youtu.be/RW-G7pF6gUQ?t=1m38s is interesting

L448[10:09:02] <MichiBot> Russischer Sternmotor - Russian Radial Engine Start and Run | length: 4m 13s | Likes: 10926 Dislikes: 655 Views: 5376992 | by Bidone1967

L449[10:10:22] <Lizzy> ecspecially when it kicks into life

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L451[10:20:18] <gamax92> Steam the fuck are you doing.

L452[10:20:25] *** amadornes[OFF] is now known as amadornes

L453[10:20:27] <gamax92> Stop opening another window for each page >_>

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L455[10:37:44] * Inari opens anohter gamax92 for each window

L456[10:38:06] <gamax92> What do you think I am, a chocolate egg?

L457[10:38:38] <Inari> kinder surprise

L458[10:38:59] <reinei> ooh Kinder überaschung, eh?

L459[10:39:15] <Inari> ye

L460[10:39:33] <Inari> hmm

L461[10:39:35] <Inari> what to do~

L462[10:40:02] <gamax92> bake brownies

L463[10:40:04] <Inari> :P

L464[10:40:05] <Trangar> Me

L465[10:40:07] <gamax92> and document doing so

L466[10:40:10] <Inari> Trangar: lewd

L467[10:40:16] <Trangar> <3

L468[10:40:25] <Inari> gamax92: am i a blogger now or what

L469[10:40:44] <gamax92> Inari: is KittyKath a blogger?

L470[10:40:45] <reinei> Trangar: last time I checked, Inari had a friend ...

L471[10:41:05] <Trangar> Hey I didn't know that!

L472[10:41:17] <gamax92> "I didn't know Inari had friends!"

L473[10:41:20] <gamax92> :P

L474[10:41:24] <reinei> which is why I told you now

L475[10:41:27] <Trangar> This is true

L476[10:41:43] <Trangar> reinei, should've told me BEFORE I offered myself to her

L477[10:42:13] <reinei> Trangar: how was I supposed to know you'd DO that?

L478[10:42:30] <Trangar> Well I'm a guy, all guys want sex all the time, this is a fact -Tumblr

L479[10:42:59] <Inari> lol

L480[10:43:16] <Inari> im bored~

L481[10:43:31] <Trangar> We should just give everyone nametags which also display their relationship status

L482[10:43:36] <Trangar> It'd help me with names IRL as well

L483[10:44:05] <Inari> Oo

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L486[10:44:38] <vifino> Gifuzie

L487[10:44:43] <gamax92> correct

L488[10:44:45] <reinei> Girlfriend and then?

L489[10:44:51] <reinei> or that

L490[10:44:53] <gamax92> incorrect

L491[10:46:19] <gamax92> 7zip does not support converting backslashes

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L504[11:17:07] <KittyKath> Why are there so many barely clothed women on Imgur's frontpage today? <.<

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L510[11:31:31] <malcom2073> More important question: Why are there so few any other day

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L518[11:53:44] <S3> what the hell minecraft

L519[11:53:56] <S3> disconnected: disconnect.genericReason

L520[11:54:02] <S3> whoever invented that error is a retard

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L522[11:54:37] <g> that's basically the "dunno lol"

L523[11:56:29] <Trangar> Error: no error

L524[11:59:29] <Inari> rhino nipple!

L525[12:00:27] <Trangar> lewd

L526[12:03:25] <S3> what the hell minecraft

L527[12:03:31] <S3> a 50,000 line traceback?

L528[12:04:54] <reinei> lol

L529[12:11:27] <CompanionCube> S3, surely

L530[12:11:30] <CompanionCube> it's what the hell Java

L531[12:12:45] <S3> that too though

L532[12:12:54] <S3> there shouldn't be function tracebacks that deep

L533[12:13:02] <S3> that's too much abstraction

L534[12:13:36] <S3> When I design large software I try not to make it ever any more than 15 - 20

L535[12:13:53] <S3> and that's pushing it

L536[12:13:56] <Lizzy> Urghh

L537[12:14:07] <Lizzy> Trains are being a cunt

L538[12:14:17] <S3> *LE GASP*

L539[12:14:36] <S3> That's like, the worst word ever :P

L540[12:14:50] <CompanionCube> it's the UK. The trains are always a cunt.

L541[12:15:17] * S3 will never say that word ever

L542[12:15:47] <Skye> S3, how is the documentation of OCraNet going?

L543[12:18:29] <S3> Meh. Finishing last minute IRL projects for class

L544[12:18:33] <S3> Don't got time

L545[12:18:44] <S3> we're having weird shit problems

L546[12:18:45] <S3> for example

L547[12:18:55] <CompanionCube> are they the ones about designing something for a FPGA

L548[12:19:05] <S3> turning the light on in the room causes the raspberry pi to tell the radio accross the room to transmit our IP packets

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L550[12:20:45] <Skye> S3, yeah

L551[12:21:01] <Skye> the RPi is quite sensitive to power strangeness

L552[12:21:22] <Skye> it randomly typed when I plugged in a USB keyboard without enough power

L553[12:27:07] <Dashkal> o/

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L555[12:29:28] <vifino> S3: Pi 2, yes?

L556[12:29:45] <vifino> Strong neon lighting?

L557[12:29:49] <scj643> hi S3

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L560[12:31:53] <Izaya> this is somewhat depressing

L561[12:32:06] <Izaya> in the last 10 hours I've played 10 hours of Elder Scrolls Online

L562[12:33:11] <Inari> hows that depressing

L563[12:33:54] <scj643> I've been hacking with iOS and python recently

L564[12:33:56] <Lizzy> Izaya: I once played 2 consecutive 12 hour sessions of garrys mod

L565[12:34:08] <scj643> https://github.com/scj643/iOS-Profile-Lib

L566[12:34:10] <reinei> Lizzy: aka one 24h session aka 1 day?

L567[12:34:28] <Lizzy> rikai:

L568[12:34:28] <Lizzy> Fuxk

L569[12:34:46] <Izaya> Inari: I am once again binging a game

L570[12:34:49] <Lizzy> reinei: no, I played 12 hours, slept then did another 12 hours

L571[12:35:02] <Inari> i wish i'd have a game worth binging

L572[12:35:03] <Inari> :P

L573[12:35:14] <Lizzy> Also holy shit train

L574[12:35:15] <reinei> Inari: you're not the only one

L575[12:36:14] <Inari> i need to try gmod someday again

L576[12:37:12] <Lizzy> I think that's my problem with gmod, I binge it hard for like, a weekend then get burnt out

L577[12:37:14] <scj643> Well copying the iOS sdk that I have will be a pain

L578[12:37:22] <scj643> Uploading 100mb to the UK fun fun

L579[12:37:28] <scj643> Actually 200

L580[12:39:11] <scj643> 800 KB/s

L581[12:39:13] <scj643> not bad

L582[12:39:37] <Izaya> scj643: you're back. huh.

L583[12:39:42] <scj643> YEah

L584[12:39:46] <scj643> But not for MC

L585[12:39:55] <g> I never really enjoyed gmod

L586[12:40:01] <scj643> Same

L587[12:40:15] <g> the only fun I got out of it was whacking everyone around the map with a big wrecking ball or something

L588[12:40:33] <Lizzy> I don't need a third monitor yet... I don't need a third monitor yet...

L589[12:40:44] <scj643> Well my life has mostly been Anime, Python, iOS, and irc

L590[12:40:46] * Lizzy wants a third monitor

L591[12:40:47] <g> but you want it

L592[12:40:47] <g> :v

L593[12:40:53] * Izaya gives Lizzy a cookie

L594[12:40:57] <Izaya> get a third monitor

L595[12:40:57] <g> I've been playing battleborn lately

L596[12:41:01] * Lizzy noms

L597[12:41:01] <Izaya> scj643: >not android

L598[12:41:04] <g> Getting annoyed at the people that keep only picking the maps from the beta

L599[12:41:07] <g> and none of the new ones

L600[12:41:08] <scj643> I'm jailbroken

L601[12:41:17] <scj643> and hoping to get an nvidia tablet k1 real soon

L602[12:41:21] <scj643> *hopeing

L603[12:41:26] <Izaya> yay actual decent stuff

L604[12:41:46] <Izaya> well, safe assumption anyway

L605[12:41:48] <scj643> The k1

L606[12:41:57] <CompanionCube> windowmaker's dockapps are very very tempting...but Enlightenment is comfy and has a kickass theming engine

L607[12:41:58] <Lizzy> Izaya: if o got a third I wouldn't be able to have my hi-fi speakers on my desk

L608[12:42:04] <scj643> It has android 6 which has an api for midi

L609[12:42:08] <CompanionCube> and actually has wayland suppport

L610[12:42:17] <scj643> which is one reason I use iOS is CoreMIDI

L611[12:42:17] <Vexatos> %tell Sangar OC 1.6 when

L612[12:42:18] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.

L613[12:42:19] <Izaya> my phone has android 6, it's nice but also a pain

L614[12:42:35] <Izaya> mainly because of the wake-screen-on-gyro stuff

L615[12:42:41] <Lizzy> Mine has 5 for now

L616[12:42:53] <Izaya> you don't need a battery, right?

L617[12:43:02] <Lizzy> Will probably have 6 by December

L618[12:43:04] <CompanionCube> mine has 5 too. Lollipop.

L619[12:43:04] <scj643> Uploaded yay

L620[12:43:06] <Izaya> >.> "features"

L621[12:44:06] <g> I'm on marshmallow but it's a touchwiz rom

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L623[12:44:22] <g> really, really great battery life with that and greenify

L624[12:44:39] <Izaya> I need to CM my phone... once the warranty runs out

L625[12:46:00] <Skye> Izaya, same

L626[12:46:07] <scj643> Ok got ios compilation enviornment setup on the vps

L627[12:48:18] <g> so valve isn't the only company that can't count now

L628[12:48:24] <g> can add EA to that list

L629[12:48:32] <g> battlefield, battlefield 2, 3, 4.. 1.

L630[12:48:33] <g> k

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L632[12:49:23] <scj643> Time to learn ObjC

L633[12:49:53] <reinei> scj643: go away, NOW!

L634[12:50:07] <reinei> ObjC is one of my most hated languages

L635[12:50:27] <reinei> that new language is a LOT better

L636[12:50:55] <CompanionCube> ObjC took two OK/nice languages

L637[12:51:03] <CompanionCube> but combined them in a horrifically crap way

L638[12:51:12] <reinei> thank you for sharing my perspective

L639[12:51:16] <scj643> I'm learning it just enough so i can hack at it

L640[12:51:20] <CompanionCube> one does not simply combine Smalltalk and C.

L641[12:52:54] <CompanionCube> Supposedly NeXTStep/OpenStep/Cocoa/GNUStep are nice APIs though.

L642[12:54:33] <CompanionCube> scj643, you using OSX for objc?

L643[12:55:20] <payonel> LUA

L644[12:55:20] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L645[12:55:37] <reinei> lUa

L646[12:56:02] <gamax92> lUA

L647[12:56:06] <gamax92> LuA

L648[12:56:12] <payonel> gAmax

L649[12:56:19] <Skye> lua

L650[12:56:20] <gamax92> ehhfaku

L651[12:56:23] <Skye> lUA

L652[12:56:24] <payonel> :)

L653[12:57:19] <Vexatos> The Language of Unwanted Acronyms

L654[12:57:20] <Vexatos> LUA.

L655[12:57:20] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L656[12:57:25] <Vexatos> ™

L657[12:57:47] <payonel> %flip ™

L658[12:57:47] <MichiBot> payonel: (╯°□°）╯︵™

L659[12:58:09] <payonel> :)

L660[12:58:12] <payonel> that's not flipped!

L661[12:59:22] <S3> damn it Mimiru you broke ity

L662[13:00:46] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/g23OtA8.jpg

L663[13:01:02] <Inari> Izaya: didnt you post that same pic earlier xD

L664[13:01:07] <Izaya> no

L665[13:01:10] <Izaya> different

L666[13:01:21] <Izaya> same place and almost same angle though

L667[13:02:30] <Mimiru> show me a flipped ™

L668[13:02:35] <Mimiru> Like... anywhere...

L669[13:02:45] <payonel> %flip my monitor

L670[13:02:45] <MichiBot> payonel: (╯°□°）╯︵ɹoʇıuoɯ ʎɯ

L671[13:02:46] <Izaya> %flip TM

L672[13:02:46] <MichiBot> Izaya: (╯°□°）╯︵W⊥

L673[13:02:55] <Skye> Izaya, wat?

L674[13:02:56] <Mimiru> Izaya, not the same.

L675[13:03:12] <Izaya> Skye, wat?

L676[13:05:46] <Skye> what's that random image?

L677[13:06:54] <Izaya> my ESO character

L678[13:08:07] <Skye> oh

L679[13:09:30] <CompanionCube> how good is the game

L680[13:09:59] <Izaya> It's not bad

L681[13:10:19] <Izaya> Storyline is a bit weak but there's plenty of side quests

L682[13:12:14] <CompanionCube> what do you think of objc

L683[13:12:27] <gamax92> S3: ℠

L684[13:13:24] <Skye> CompanionCube, there are better languages

L685[13:14:08] <gamax92> ಷ

L686[13:14:09] <CompanionCube> Skye, indeed

L687[13:14:52] <CompanionCube> It was one thing to attempt to combine the strongly object-oriented Smalltalk with the procedural/imperative C however

L688[13:15:09] <Skye> C++ isn't much better

L689[13:16:16] <gamax92> ? this symbol is called Green Heart

L690[13:17:51] <payonel> c++ is freaking awesome

L691[13:17:55] <KittyKath> CompanionCube: Objective C isn't *bad* per se, but I don't see it used outside of iOS very much. The "issues" it tackles in C aren't really the problem most people have.

L692[13:18:02] <KittyKath> Also with payo here.

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L694[13:18:23] <CompanionCube> yeah, C++ is awesome, especially the newer ones e.g C++11

L695[13:18:49] <xarses> can some one help me to understand why I can't do some things with the left and right sides on a robot, but up,down and forward are OK?

L696[13:18:49] <payonel> keep in mind that university books that teach C++ are backwards

L697[13:19:01] <payonel> like seriously, chapters 25-30 should be 1-5

L698[13:19:10] <payonel> etc

L699[13:19:20] <KittyKath> xarses: Because OC handles right/left differently than CC. try switching

L700[13:19:28] <CompanionCube> what chapters are those normally

L701[13:19:31] <xarses> I get why we shouldn't swing left,right. Place even, but detect. use the inventory controller

L702[13:20:56] <xarses> KittyKath: not to rude, but that's a not a response

L703[13:21:02] <payonel> CompanionCube: if you are honestly interested, this is a great presentation (I was there in person, too - though, not on camera)

L704[13:21:04] <payonel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnWhqhNdYyk

L705[13:21:05] <MichiBot> CppCon 2015: Kate Gregory “Stop Teaching C" | length: 1h 12s | Likes: 281 Dislikes: 56 Views: 23046 | by CppCon

L706[13:21:29] <CompanionCube> eh, I'm not a fan/frequent user of long youtube vids

L707[13:21:42] <payonel> but for example, reference objects and the move operators, smart memory management .. all of that should be taught before * and new/delete

L708[13:21:44] <greaser|q> C++11 actually has some pretty good stuff

L709[13:22:09] <payonel> i'm biased. i'm a serious c++ enthusiast

L710[13:22:11] <KittyKath> xarses: I don't have an excuse.

L711[13:22:18] <greaser|q> anyway if you're saying "stop teaching C++ like it's C" then i can understand that

L712[13:22:23] <CompanionCube> I read a book on C++ ages ago but that's it

L713[13:22:33] <KittyKath> payonel: Shush you, C is still very much awesome.

L714[13:22:42] <payonel> KittyKath: not saying it isn't!

L715[13:22:53] <KittyKath> "Stop teaching C"?

L716[13:22:58] <greaser|q> BUT much like java, if you code it like it's definitely not C, your code will definitely not be optimised for speed

L717[13:23:01] <Inari> cppcon

L718[13:23:04] <payonel> KittyKath: the context is cppcon

L719[13:23:14] <Inari> so likely "stop teaching C before C++ and have people take on bad habits for C++"

L720[13:23:15] <Inari> orso

L721[13:23:19] <greaser|q> if on the other hand it's just "stop teaching C altogether" then you can shove a vtable cactus up your arse

L722[13:23:25] <scj643> I know python

L723[13:23:26] <payonel> well, it is

L724[13:23:41] <payonel> stop teaching C++ in a C perspective, or with C features first

L725[13:23:43] <scj643> I still wish Computer mods in Minecraft could use it

L726[13:23:44] <greaser|q> hey, if you're a decent C coder then the C++ you code will probably be fast

L727[13:23:51] <scj643> and that it woud catch on

L728[13:24:19] <greaser|q> scj643: python's a shit of a thing to cross compile, which is why OCMIPS hasn't had a port of it yet

L729[13:24:21] <xarses> scj643: there is a python crosscompiler to lua somewhere

L730[13:24:25] <payonel> greaser|q: that's too broad a brush stroke, imo. C++ is awesomely fast unless you're doing things wrong

L731[13:24:46] <xarses> also, just learn lua

L732[13:24:46] <greaser|q> payonel: it could be awesomlier fasterer if you don't use too many C++isms

L733[13:24:57] <xarses> like every videogame with scripting will use lua

L734[13:25:11] <greaser|q> e.g. battlefield 2 OH WAIT THAT USES PYTHON

L735[13:25:16] <scj643> Lol

L736[13:25:24] <greaser|q> e.g. eversion OH WAIT THAT USES RUBY

L737[13:25:33] <scj643> The thing that I use to sync to the cloud uses python

L738[13:25:38] <greaser|q> lua is still pretty common but i don't like that word "every"

L739[13:25:50] <scj643> Two games that use lua Flatout 2 and Driver SanFansisco

L740[13:26:01] <scj643> THough Driver you can't modify it

L741[13:26:03] <payonel> greaser|q: if a "C++ism" is creating poor performance, then that is NOT a C++ism

L742[13:26:10] <CompanionCube> ....wait something actually uses Ruby as a scripting lang? That seems weird.

L743[13:26:17] <payonel> but a fruit of bad education in how to use c++

L744[13:26:22] <greaser|q> most of eversion is written in readable ruby

L745[13:26:25] <KittyKath> payonel: Given that I learned C++ that way, can you point me to a good book/tutorial/websomething that teaches C++ "top-down" (as in with C++ features first and then at the end getting into the nitty gritty pointer hunting)?

L746[13:26:30] <scj643> In Flatout 2 you can edit it once you decompress their files

L747[13:26:36] <CompanionCube> ah

L748[13:26:41] <CompanionCube> that does make sense then

L749[13:26:52] <payonel> KittyKath: to be honest, i'm still looking for such a resource :)

L750[13:27:00] <KittyKath> payonel: aw damn.

L751[13:27:04] <Izaya> Flatout 2 uses Lua?

L752[13:27:10] <Izaya> fuck I love that game

L753[13:27:11] <KittyKath> Sims and WoW use Lua.

L754[13:27:12] <payonel> KittyKath: but i am actively

L755[13:27:16] <Izaya> I'll need to poke at it

L756[13:27:28] <gamax92> Don't Starve uses Lua!

L757[13:27:31] <greaser|q> payonel: either you use an OO-heavy approach (which is atrocious for cache thrashing - degraded runtime performance) or you use a template-heavy approach (which slows down compile times notably more than the "dangerous" C preprocessor)

L758[13:28:02] <greaser|q> "hack n slash" uses lua but by the time you get up to that part, you don't get up to that part because you get bored before you get up to that part

L759[13:28:09] <greaser|q> and apparently the lua used isn't sandboxed

L760[13:28:43] <payonel> nothing wrong with OO for performance. if you have a method that has to be called a lot, make it a static call (vs vtbl). if you are copying objects unncessarily, then learn about move ops or the heap

L761[13:29:02] <payonel> honestly, ppl that write bad c++ could learn a lot more about how the language works

L762[13:29:10] <scj643> https://github.com/theos/theos/ is what I'm using to code for ios

L763[13:29:51] <CompanionCube> it's a build system?

L764[13:30:17] <greaser|q> "nothing wrong with OO for performance" there's a lot wrong with having no control over exactly how your memory is arranged... in which case you use arrays of structs

L765[13:30:35] <greaser|q> does C++11 have struct methods?

L766[13:30:36] <greaser|q> i think it does

L767[13:30:43] <Inari> payonel: im not sure her alraedy broud shoulders profit from those slightly puffy sleeves :P either that or her shoudlers arent braod but the things makes them look super much so xD

L768[13:31:09] <payonel> Inari: haha

L769[13:31:45] <greaser|q> but yeah if you take an OO- approach, you make mike acton sad ("why is the average case one? the average case is *many*" after seeing "doThings()" be a loop that calls "doThing()" each time)

L770[13:32:01] <payonel> greaser|q: if you're creating objects where memory alignment performance matters, obviousy you'd use structs with very specific rules

L771[13:32:22] <payonel> but that is an edge case

L772[13:32:24] <payonel> anywho, i have to run

L773[13:32:26] <payonel> o/

L774[13:32:34] <greaser|q> not an edge case if you're writing a game engine

L775[13:32:41] <greaser|q> but it's not necessarily alignment

L776[13:32:49] <greaser|q> it's got more to do with locality

L777[13:33:16] <greaser|q> but yeah, i'm with linus on the matter of C++

L778[13:33:34] <xarses> scj643: lua used in all of the recent CIV games, the last SimCity, 2 Mods for minecraft to allow programming, literally every recent indyish game that does mods: project zomboid, starmade, factorio, starbound

L779[13:33:40] <xarses> I think its in the new MOO

L780[13:33:43] <Skye> C is good for low level stuff

L781[13:34:06] <greaser|q> honestly, C++ fills the hole that stuff like python fill, if your code is sufficiently i/o bound then yeah

L782[13:34:13] <scj643> Well i'm not planing on making stuff for games

L783[13:34:25] <xarses> greaser|q: I'd say that the games using python for scripting are more outliers than in

L784[13:34:32] <Inari> void doThings(thingStructIn* thingIn, thingStructOut* thingOut) { /* loop through the array of thingStructIn that is the frist param and do stuff */ } ? something like that? :p

L785[13:34:47] <greaser|q> if you want to write a video codec you'll want to be heavily data-oriented

L786[13:35:05] <scj643> Most of my code involves 1. getting content from funimation 2. Making iOS profiles (since apple is a bitch with the guis for it)

L787[13:35:08] <greaser|q> Inari: something like that

L788[13:35:19] <greaser|q> although you don't necessarily need to output stuff

L789[13:35:28] <greaser|q> well, output to a new thing

L790[13:36:06] <Inari> i still find taht way of doing things pretty ugly and think there should be a better way to tell the compiler "hey, do these 30 things together even though its a sequential loop"

L791[13:36:19] <greaser|q> C++ can fill some of the C stuff too, but yeah, basically, what Linus Torvalds says (paraphrasing here) is C++ contains a lot of crap you not only don't need but also explicitly don't want, and what's left can be covered with C just fine

L792[13:36:54] <scj643> Fun fact the compiler apple uses is a modified version of clang

L793[13:36:56] <KittyKath> C++ Is horrible for writing OS. See Windows :P

L794[13:36:59] <greaser|q> and his second reason for making git (and i guess linux) C-only is so you can weed out most of the people who can't code for shit

L795[13:37:06] <xarses> games I currently have installed with lua in them Castle Story, dont_starve, Factorio, ProjectZomboid, Reassembly, Starbound, StarMade, TalesMajEyal, Transistor, Xenonauts

L796[13:37:21] <vifino> Darn. I need a tiny laptop to strap on my midi drum machine.

L797[13:37:27] <greaser|q> xarses: don't forget Escape From Monkey Island

L798[13:37:40] <xarses> games with python in them : dont_starve

L799[13:37:50] <xarses> =)

L800[13:38:09] <xarses> games installed: 63

L801[13:38:11] <greaser|q> and yeah, C's biggest advantage over C++ is its simplicity - namely, what it doesn't have gives it an advantage

L802[13:38:32] <greaser|q> because then it's easier to do horrible things to it at a lower level

L803[13:38:40] <greaser|q> and it also compiles much faster

L804[13:38:53] <Inari> i still fail to see how "here, code this stupid stuff a million times over, in an untested way" is an advantage over just using libs :f

L805[13:39:22] * CompanionCube should properly learn Lua

L806[13:39:30] <greaser|q> the main advantage is because if you code it yourself you know what the hell it does and you are comfortable with mangling it

L807[13:39:44] <Inari> thats what docs are for

L808[13:40:18] <greaser|q> that'

L809[13:40:28] <greaser|q> that's a redelegation of the time you'd spend writing code

L810[13:40:37] <KittyKath> payonel: how much (realistically) is C++20 gonna improve on compiling speed?

L811[13:40:37] <greaser|q> although i guess you'd cut out some of the bug testing

L812[13:41:06] <Inari> greaser|q: i'd alsso cut out writing the thing 50 times

L813[13:41:21] <greaser|q> yeah, if you don't want to write the thing 50 times, have your own base code ;)

L814[13:41:31] <Inari> that makes no sense to me

L815[13:41:46] <Inari> if everyone uses the std, everyoen knwos whats in the std. if a std function is called in some code you see you know what that is

L816[13:41:56] <greaser|q> oh right

L817[13:41:58] <Inari> you dont have to wade through code because everyone makes their own

L818[13:42:08] * Dashkal would prefer to avoid std...

L819[13:42:28] <greaser|q> there's probably some notion that people aren't aware of what's actually in the C standard library

L820[13:42:38] <greaser|q> e.g. qsort

L821[13:42:39] <KittyKath> YOu'd prefer to write Idris on bare metal, wouldn't you Dashkal ? :P

L822[13:42:51] <Inari> im saying there are many things that arent in it

L823[13:43:07] <Dashkal> Jury remains out on Idris.

L824[13:43:09] <Inari> Dashkal: just write machinecode already :3

L825[13:43:19] <Dashkal> ewwwww, I don't like robotics

L826[13:43:25] <Inari> ?

L827[13:43:37] <Dashkal> That... that was probably a four layer deep joke.

L828[13:43:43] <KittyKath> Dashkal: But idris has dependant types!

L829[13:44:14] <greaser|q> asm is good to know how to do, but these days when you use it it's not for improving speed, it's for gljue

L830[13:44:14] <greaser|q> *glue

L831[13:44:15] <Dashkal> Kath was much closer. I tend to hide in extreme abstraction. Express solutions as formulas and proofs. Machine is... well, it's programming the machine.

L832[13:44:41] *** amadornes[AFK] is now known as amadornes

L833[13:44:52] <Inari> well i have no clue what idris is :P just read "bare metal"

L834[13:45:14] <KittyKath> Kath does not trigger my hilight. I should really overhaul that regex. But I shoudl really not write regex right now. No idea what monster I would create

L835[13:45:17] <Dashkal> Idris is one of the extreme languages. You can write total programs there (Programs for which the halting problem is solved)

L836[13:45:22] <greaser|q> oh yeah, a fun thing that's in libm: j0, j1, jn are functions that do some math i'm not familiar with

L837[13:45:44] <greaser|q> same with y0, y1, yn - j* and y* do bessel functions

L838[13:45:47] <Inari> lets just go back to the roots

L839[13:45:50] <Inari> dartmouth basic \o/

L840[13:46:00] <greaser|q> 10 PRINT "LOOK AROUND YOU"

L841[13:46:02] <greaser|q> 20 GOTO 10

L842[13:46:08] <Dashkal> It took me over a decade to repair the damage Apple ][ BASIC did to my thinking.

L843[13:46:18] <greaser|q> i started with qbasic

L844[13:46:31] <Skye> I started with DOS Batch script files

L845[13:46:55] <vifino> I started with C.

L846[13:46:56] <greaser|q> actually i think i really started with javascript but i consider qbasic my true starting lang

L847[13:46:57] <KittyKath> I started with C++. Yep, I was an as masochistic bitch back then as I am now. :D

L848[13:47:16] <greaser|q> i learnt asm before i learnt C because i couldn't get my head around having to put semicolons after every line

L849[13:47:17] <Skye> I then tried MS Basic on an old computer

L850[13:47:31] <Skye> like

L851[13:47:33] <greaser|q> yep, 16-bit real-mode x86 asm

L852[13:47:37] <Skye> EPSON HX-20

L853[13:47:43] <Skye> I didn't understand it

L854[13:47:50] <greaser|q> eventually i found out how to compile rocks'n'diamonds and then started messing with the code

L855[13:47:54] <Skye> then I learnt about C#

L856[13:47:56] <greaser|q> and then i felt i had to learn C

L857[13:48:34] <vifino> I think, if I wouldn't have started programming with C, I would've turned out far worse programmer-wise.

L858[13:48:41] <greaser|q> after doing a basic C tut from some random guy on a hacking forum i started learning how to write games in C using allegro 4 and the loomsoft allegro tutorial

L859[13:49:00] <greaser|q> eventually learnt how pointers worked from the dev-c++ manual

L860[13:49:26] <Skye> then I tried C++, didn't get past hello world, and gave up, then I tried C, same problem. Then I did some more C# stuff.

L861[13:49:31] *** Tiin57 is now known as Reaper57

L862[13:49:58] <KittyKath> I learned pointers from a dude called Dean. And about everything I know about assembly too :D

L863[13:49:59] <Skye> Some time later I discover minecraft and then minecraft mods and then tekkit and then computercraft and then Lua

L864[13:51:18] <xarses> does any one know if a microcontroller can talk to components?

L865[13:51:35] <xarses> on the cable network that is

L866[13:52:25] <Skye> xarses, nope

L867[13:52:35] <xarses> no, or you don't know?

L868[13:52:54] <Skye> no, as in you can;t

L869[13:53:05] <xarses> well, jeeze what use are they

L870[13:53:23] <vifino> killall a2jmidid

L871[13:53:25] <vifino> q_q

L872[13:53:37] <Skye> xarses, to control redstone and also for networking

L873[13:53:46] <xarses> so useless

L874[13:53:57] <xarses> got it

L875[13:55:07] <xarses> I see so much potential, then they are nailled into just being redstone proxies that you can talk to over the network

L876[13:55:14] <xarses> I wanted to make it proxy so much more

L877[13:55:24] <xarses> but I am now sad, since It cant

L878[13:55:39] <Skye> xarses, well

L879[13:55:43] <Skye> you can use a normal computer for that

L880[13:55:56] <gamax92> cpaainrgoo

L881[13:56:21] <xarses> yes, but It's not the same

L882[13:56:53] <xarses> the micro controller gives you the ability to package it so we can make single purpose devices

L883[13:57:08] <Skye> so you want packaged computers?

L884[13:57:17] <xarses> that we can place in world, and not worry about dragging all parts around all the time

L885[13:57:21] ⇨ Joins: AlexisMachina (uid57631@id-57631.charlton.irccloud.com)

L886[13:57:29] <xarses> and are sans hard-drive

L887[13:57:40] <xarses> (which makes you have to code better, I like this)

L888[13:57:59] <xarses> I guess I do, I thought that was the point of the microcontroller

L889[13:58:55] <Skye> xarses, make a github issue, Sangar is quite accepting of new ideas

L890[14:00:27] <xarses> Yes, I might get banned from there

L891[14:00:44] <Skye> what

L892[14:00:52] <Skye> you won't get banned.

L893[14:01:07] <xarses> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/created_by/xarses

L894[14:01:17] <Skye> so?

L895[14:01:18] <xarses> I'm noisy

L896[14:01:31] <Skye> you make issues that aren't stupid, though

L897[14:01:36] <Skye> people are more noisy

L898[14:01:51] <CompanionCube> Skye, *cough* soni *cough?

L899[14:02:10] <xarses> CompanionCube: you should get that cough looked at

L900[14:02:14] <xarses> sounds infected

L901[14:02:36] <Skye> xarses, seriously, make an issue. You're issues are not spam

L902[14:02:51] <xarses> yes, I'm writing up one currently to be annoying about robot sides

L903[14:02:59] <xarses> I'll add this to the pile

L904[14:03:19] <Skye> what's wrong with robot sides?

L905[14:04:55] <Vexatos> ^ exactly what I was about to ask

L906[14:05:01] <Vexatos> actually, word-by-word what I was about to ask

L907[14:05:17] <Inari> tahts what exactly tends to mean

L908[14:05:19] <Skye> if you're suggesting that they should be changed, well... they can't without breaking compatbility.

L909[14:05:38] <Vexatos> what about sides?

L910[14:05:49] <Inari> you asked

L911[14:05:52] <Inari> let the person answer sheesh

L912[14:05:53] <Inari> :P

L913[14:06:01] <Skye> don't be scared!

L914[14:06:07] <Vexatos> <xarses> so useless

L915[14:06:20] <Inari> ?

L916[14:06:26] <Vexatos> Forecaster over there *points* made a level indicator for his gasoline tank using MCUs

L917[14:06:33] <Vexatos> soooo.... not useless at all

L918[14:09:23] <xarses> my problem with sides, is that some functions that make sense to work on left and right sides don't

L919[14:09:34] <Vexatos> which ones?

L920[14:09:49] <xarses> I can stomach no place/swing on right left, and the moves im 100% on, turn first

L921[14:09:56] <xarses> but we can't detect

L922[14:10:02] <xarses> cant use the inventory controller

L923[14:10:12] <xarses> maybe not suck

L924[14:10:18] <xarses> but def scan the container

L925[14:10:35] <Vexatos> wait, doesn't the inv controller have a side parameter?

L926[14:10:52] <xarses> iirc it only accepts up down forward

L927[14:10:59] <Vexatos> ...you sure

L928[14:11:03] <xarses> no

L929[14:11:08] <xarses> most things do

L930[14:11:13] <Vexatos> detect also makes sense

L931[14:11:21] <Vexatos> the robot can detect anything it can "see"

L932[14:11:38] ⇦ Quits: Kimiro (~MobileDra@199-7-159-83.eng.wind.ca) (Ping timeout: 198 seconds)

L933[14:11:56] <xarses> no, if it can see forward and up and down, it can see enough left and right to know if there is something blocking you

L934[14:12:12] <Vexatos> up and down is only there because robots cannot be turned those ways

L935[14:12:23] <Vexatos> hence their ability to see those two directions as well

L936[14:12:45] <xarses> it makes checking sides for path calculation quite tedious

L937[14:13:26] <xarses> either that, or we should be able to see the blocks to the left and right of the forward square

L938[14:13:27] <reinei> xarses: afaik, its supposed to?

L939[14:13:29] <Vexatos> It does, but so what

L940[14:13:33] <Vexatos> it's not supposed to be easy

L941[14:13:41] <Vexatos> use a geolyzer if you want to be faster

L942[14:13:44] <Vexatos> but expect noise

L943[14:13:46] <xarses> the "optics" should have enough perpherial vision to see them for something

L944[14:13:50] <Vexatos> (geolyzers are robot upgrades)

L945[14:13:54] <xarses> yes, but thats alot of power

L946[14:13:55] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt

L947[14:13:58] <xarses> to see 1 block

L948[14:13:59] <Vexatos> power? no

L949[14:14:02] <Vexatos> well

L950[14:14:04] <Vexatos> again

L951[14:14:05] <Vexatos> so what

L952[14:14:19] <Vexatos> OC is not "easy". OC is good :P

L953[14:14:36] <xarses> also, it makes less general just to path find

L954[14:14:38] <reinei> ^

L955[14:14:49] <reinei> xarses: its SUPPOSED TO

L956[14:14:52] <xarses> reinei: in regard to what?

L957[14:15:04] <reinei> you are SUPPOSED to write GOOD code to make this stuff possible

L958[14:15:11] <xarses> thats fine

L959[14:15:13] <reinei> my ^ was to Vexatos comment

L960[14:15:32] <Vexatos> xarses, pathfinding isn't supposed to be easy

L961[14:15:33] <xarses> turning the robot to see the block next to you to check if it's solid or not, its absurd

L962[14:15:35] <Vexatos> or "general"

L963[14:15:44] <xarses> then two more times to see the other time

L964[14:15:52] <reinei> xarses: make a map and you are done

L965[14:15:56] <Vexatos> Go play with ComputerCraft if you find it absurd <3

L966[14:16:00] <xarses> plus how ever many to orientate it to the next path

L967[14:16:00] <reinei> ^

L968[14:16:04] <reinei> grr

L969[14:16:13] <Vexatos> Oh wait, turtles cannot detect sideways either!

L970[14:16:17] <Vexatos> NOT EVEN CC CAN DO THAT

L971[14:16:59] <xarses> Vexatos: thats bs, an response to a discussion should not be "go away"

L972[14:17:42] <reinei> you're right, but this isn't so much of a discussion though either

L973[14:17:44] <Inari> well

L974[14:17:48] <Inari> you could stay a bit further off

L975[14:17:56] <Inari> and use the computronics camera for free block finding

L976[14:17:59] <Vexatos> xarses, as I said

L977[14:18:01] <Vexatos> not even CC does it

L978[14:18:13] <xarses> So we are stuck with a weird implementation because CC doesn''t either?

L979[14:18:14] <Vexatos> And it never has

L980[14:18:20] <Vexatos> it is not weird

L981[14:18:21] <Sangar> hint: geolyzer

L982[14:18:22] <Vexatos> it makes sense

L983[14:18:25] <Vexatos> Sangar, EXACTLY

L984[14:18:28] <Inari> opr what sangar said

L985[14:18:28] <Vexatos> I told him already

L986[14:18:28] <Inari> :P

L987[14:18:31] <Vexatos> geolyzer, or camera

L988[14:18:33] <Inari> Sangar: but camera is all the more fun

L989[14:18:33] <Inari> :3

L990[14:18:41] <Inari> makes me recall that russian thingy

L991[14:18:44] <Sangar> i only read a few lines :P

L992[14:18:45] <Inari> where it made a distance image using the camera

L993[14:18:48] <Vexatos> yea

L994[14:18:51] <Vexatos> it was kewl

L995[14:19:00] <Vexatos> Sangar, you got my %tells? <3

L996[14:19:10] <Vexatos> also hi

L997[14:19:13] <Sangar> Vexatos, what tells [/s]

L998[14:19:16] <Sangar> also hi

L999[14:19:19] <Vexatos> %tell Sangar OC 1.6 when

L1000[14:19:20] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.

L1001[14:19:21] <Vexatos> Hi+

L1002[14:19:24] <Inari> anyone go the link for that

L1003[14:19:30] <Sangar> these are not the tells i'm looking for

L1004[14:19:32] * Sangar handwaves

L1005[14:19:37] * Vexatos wavehands

L1006[14:19:38] <xarses> no, its absurd, you would put a camera on a robot so that It can only see directly in front of it? no it would have peripheral vision. You would make it mimic your own ability to perceive the environment

L1007[14:19:43] <Inari> google wave died

L1008[14:19:44] <Inari> :<

L1009[14:19:49] <Vexatos> xarses, what?

L1010[14:19:52] <Sangar> again. geolyzer

L1011[14:19:53] <Vexatos> You put a camera into a robot

L1012[14:19:59] <Vexatos> then it can see 90° to either sire

L1013[14:20:00] <Vexatos> side*

L1014[14:20:01] <Inari> camera has pretty good vision

L1015[14:20:05] <Vexatos> unless someone changed that recently

L1016[14:20:09] <Vexatos> which wasn't me

L1017[14:20:12] <reinei> Inari: depends on your camera + lense

L1018[14:20:16] <xarses> computronix dosn't work with my pack

L1019[14:20:20] <Vexatos> "recently" being "today"

L1020[14:20:22] <Vexatos> It does

L1021[14:20:23] <reinei> what pack?

L1022[14:20:25] <Vexatos> I bet you it does

L1023[14:20:26] <Inari> reinei: last i checked computronics only had a single

L1024[14:20:41] <reinei> Inari: I meant RL camera + lens

L1025[14:20:41] <xarses> I stuck it in, and it blew up

L1026[14:20:42] <Vexatos> Computronics is rather good at finding bugs in other mods though

L1027[14:20:46] <Inari> reinei: :P

L1028[14:20:47] <Vexatos> thanks for never reporting that, then

L1029[14:20:54] <Vexatos> Because this way I am unable to fix it

L1030[14:21:00] <reinei> poor Vex

L1031[14:21:06] <Vexatos> do you happen to have the crash report?

L1032[14:21:16] <Vexatos> So I can do my damn job as its maintainer >_>

L1033[14:21:20] <xarses> I can't make sense of how to even collaborate on computronix

L1034[14:21:28] <Vexatos> what?

L1035[14:21:30] <xarses> so no, I didn't report it

L1036[14:21:48] <Sangar> but yeah, 1.6... then. ish. this weekend? probably? been contemplating what to do about 1.9 these days... porting is such a pain again :/ i might just push what i have soon and hope someone else can be found to fix the block rendering... again. ugh.

L1037[14:21:49] <Inari> you'd generally post an issue to https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/issues

L1038[14:21:52] <reinei> well, you sorta just did, but you did not append a crashlog

L1039[14:22:08] <Vexatos> What Inari said

L1040[14:22:11] <Vexatos> it's not that hard

L1041[14:22:18] <Inari> listen to your goddess

L1042[14:22:20] <xarses> Sangar: geolizer uses too much power to only scan 1 block, I don't need all 32 blocks in the column

L1043[14:22:24] <Inari> </goauld>

L1044[14:22:25] <Vexatos> it's the third entry on google, even

L1045[14:22:28] <Vexatos> the github repo

L1046[14:22:35] <Vexatos> xarses, what about the camera

L1047[14:22:57] <Inari> xarses: what are you making a path for?

L1048[14:23:01] * Sangar shrugs

L1049[14:23:06] <xarses> the second issue I have with the geo

L1050[14:23:08] <Vexatos> Also, xarses what about geolyzer.analyze(side)

L1051[14:23:18] <xarses> docs says it uses more power

L1052[14:23:19] <Vexatos> it returns info only about the block on one side

L1053[14:23:30] <Vexatos> exactly the info you need, actually

L1054[14:23:30] <Sangar> it uses the same as scan, but gives much more detailed info

L1055[14:23:33] <Vexatos> Yes

L1056[14:23:37] <Sangar> and was what i was thinking of yes

L1057[14:23:40] <Sangar> exactly because ^

L1058[14:23:56] <Inari> like

L1059[14:24:01] <Inari> whats your actual usecase for pathing

L1060[14:24:06] <Skye> Sangar, kidnap or bribe asie

L1061[14:24:29] <xarses> second issue i have with geo, and same as camera, and all the way back to why we should be able to see the sides, adding a component for basic sensing of the world seems quite off

L1062[14:24:31] * Sangar starts bulk buying old hardware to ship to asie

L1063[14:24:47] <Vexatos> The camera would be even better for bathfinding, actually (when you really need that toilet), since it can actually tell you how far you can go forward before having to do any further pathfinding? :P

L1064[14:24:57] <reinei> xarses: it does? What do all the robots in factories do? See the world and contemplate about god?

L1065[14:25:00] <xarses> we wouldn't build a IRL robot that can only see 40% Left to right and 180% up and down

L1066[14:25:21] <Vexatos> xarses, we wouldn't build floaty octahedral robots with a B/W screen IRL

L1067[14:25:30] <reinei> xarses: oh, we already build robots with 0% 0% vision

L1068[14:25:31] <Vexatos> and 150kB of RAM

L1069[14:25:56] <Vexatos> You can actually assemble a robot without screen in OC

L1070[14:25:58] <Vexatos> noone ever uses that

L1071[14:26:01] <Vexatos> but it is possible

L1072[14:26:05] <xarses> I do

L1073[14:26:06] <Vexatos> it won't render the screen on the block

L1074[14:26:09] <reinei> Vexatos: that actually makes for extremely good Jump Point Traversal!

L1075[14:26:10] <xarses> and sans hard drive

L1076[14:26:22] <Vexatos> so just a moving MCU?

L1077[14:26:28] <Vexatos> or boot-from-floppy

L1078[14:26:55] <xarses> if its single purpose, just code it into the rom

L1079[14:28:35] <Vexatos> so yea

L1080[14:28:37] <xarses> reinei: we build robots with the vision they need for the function they have, A robot in a factory will have the sesnors necessary to have the correct view of its purpose, I feel (as you all can tell) that we are wrong about the view angle on the robots

L1081[14:28:43] <Vexatos> there are two upgrades doing exactly what you want

L1082[14:28:47] <Vexatos> one actually being in OC

L1083[14:29:10] <xarses> yes but shouldn't we get this for free on the higher tier bots or something

L1084[14:29:17] <Vexatos> Sangar, so when will we be able to rotate robots upwards?

L1085[14:29:26] * xarses facepalms

L1086[14:29:29] <Sangar> Vexatos, when minecraft is in 4d?

L1087[14:29:30] <Vexatos> xarses, no because OC is ~modular~

L1088[14:29:34] <Vexatos> mo

L1089[14:29:34] <Vexatos> du

L1090[14:29:35] <Vexatos> lar

L1091[14:29:36] <Vexatos> that means

L1092[14:29:41] <Vexatos> you install the upgrades you need

L1093[14:29:46] <Vexatos> on the robots that need them

L1094[14:29:56] <Vexatos> you do not get a feature for free

L1095[14:29:58] <Vexatos> you use an upgrade

L1096[14:30:05] <xarses> to do something so basic as move around its world as it was designed to?

L1097[14:30:13] <Vexatos> you can mvoe

L1098[14:30:16] <Vexatos> move*

L1099[14:30:19] <Vexatos> no matter the tier

L1100[14:30:21] <xarses> and turn

L1101[14:30:23] <Vexatos> yes

L1102[14:30:26] <xarses> and turn

L1103[14:30:28] <xarses> and turn

L1104[14:30:29] <Vexatos> as it was designed to

L1105[14:30:30] <xarses> and turn

L1106[14:30:38] <xarses> look, its dancing

L1107[14:30:48] <xarses> no wait, its looking for a path home

L1108[14:31:00] <Vexatos> Call the bot "Dead Or Alive" and you win

L1109[14:31:05] <reinei> xarses: what pathfinding algortihm are you implementing right now?

L1110[14:31:05] <KittyKath> VR minecraft! :O

L1111[14:31:11] <xarses> A*

L1112[14:31:20] <reinei> Sangar: MC technically IS 4D

L1113[14:31:36] <reinei> xarses: make it jump point and use the geolyser

L1114[14:31:45] * xarses shakes his head

L1115[14:31:56] <Inari> well

L1116[14:32:00] <Inari> i found a way to check for blocks on the side

L1117[14:32:15] <reinei> try moving?

L1118[14:32:20] <gamax92> try spinning?

L1119[14:32:21] <Inari> nah

L1120[14:32:22] <Inari> wihtout turning

L1121[14:32:41] <reinei> can robots actually do goLeft() (or equivalent) without turning?

L1122[14:32:50] <xarses> no

L1123[14:32:58] <xarses> and I don't think they should

L1124[14:33:00] <Inari> it doesnt workw ith all blocks though

L1125[14:33:28] <Sangar> reinei, if you mean time, bleh, i meant a freely traversable 4th one ;)

L1126[14:33:43] <xarses> forward, backward, up and down

L1127[14:33:52] <Vexatos> geolyzer~

L1128[14:34:00] <Vexatos> Sangar, https://brorlandi.github.io/StarWarsIntroCreator/#!/KGz1rEZ-vZTiQawBnpL

L1129[14:34:02] <reinei> Vexatos: whatever

L1130[14:34:02] <xarses> >.<

L1131[14:34:24] <reinei> Sangar: then add a fourth dimension, maybe using additional dimensions?

L1132[14:34:50] <Vexatos> soo xarses, mind giving me the crash log?

L1133[14:35:25] *** alfw|Off is now known as alfw

L1134[14:35:28] <Vexatos> the worst people are those that complain about a mod crashing and never report the crash.

L1135[14:35:43] <xarses> Vexatos: a few min

L1136[14:36:14] <Sangar> Vexatos, mkay

L1137[14:36:19] <Vexatos> Sangar, it is glorious

L1138[14:36:20] <xarses> reinei: and robots should only be able to sense 10% of that dimension?

L1139[14:36:28] <Vexatos> xarses, actually

L1140[14:36:37] <Vexatos> it's 90° of roll

L1141[14:36:47] <Vexatos> you have three rotational axes

L1142[14:36:53] <Vexatos> 360° each

L1143[14:37:02] <Vexatos> 180° of roll means 1/6

L1144[14:37:08] <Vexatos> of everything

L1145[14:37:13] <Vexatos> that's more than 10%

L1146[14:37:19] <reinei> xarses: no, they shouldn't be able to sense it at all, unless upgraded

L1147[14:37:39] <Vexatos> yea, robots are OP

L1148[14:37:44] <Vexatos> Sangar, detection upgrade when

L1149[14:37:59] <Sangar> Vexatos, oc 2.0? :X

L1150[14:38:12] <Sangar> will also need a motion upgrade of course

L1151[14:38:13] <gamax92> when mc 2.0

L1152[14:38:13] <xarses> Vexatos: rofl

L1153[14:38:22] <reinei> so Sangar, when will you finish oc 1.x and jump to oc 2.0? :P

L1154[14:38:27] <Inari> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/Something%20%2848%29.mp4

L1155[14:38:30] <reinei> gamax92: MC 2 is already out

L1156[14:38:47] <reinei> it was just an april fools

L1157[14:39:06] <Vexatos> gamax92, that's like RAM in Minecraft

L1158[14:39:12] <Vexatos> Sangar, quick, remove RAM slots on robots

L1159[14:39:17] <Vexatos> they can use RS cards instead

L1160[14:39:24] <Sangar> reinei, idk. 1.9 maybe? i'm honestly tempted, since so much is broken again anyway :X

L1161[14:39:38] <Vexatos> Sangar, what would you want to rewrite

L1162[14:39:52] <Inari> doesnt work with glass though

L1163[14:39:53] <Sangar> cables probably

L1164[14:39:59] <gamax92> make it so that redstone becomes a robot management rail

L1165[14:40:01] <Vexatos> not worth a 2.0 :P

L1166[14:40:02] <Sangar> i.e. oc networking in general

L1167[14:40:06] <Vexatos> ah

L1168[14:40:10] <gamax92> and that you have to place it everywhere for the robot to be able to move

L1169[14:40:18] <Vexatos> the API does seem pretty solid to me though, Sangar

L1170[14:40:21] <Sangar> like split networking and power and component stuff

L1171[14:40:30] <Vexatos> huh?

L1172[14:40:30] <Vexatos> how

L1173[14:40:32] <Vexatos> like

L1174[14:40:35] <Vexatos> server racks?

L1175[14:40:56] <reinei> gamax92: so, like factorisation thingies, but programmable?

L1176[14:41:06] <gamax92> I dunoo

L1177[14:41:09] <xarses> Vexatos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16266611/

L1178[14:41:12] <Vexatos> servos are programmable D:

L1179[14:41:24] <reinei> servos that can be programmed in lua

L1180[14:41:30] <Sangar> i kinda want the component visibility to be more... routable, if that makes sense?

L1181[14:41:31] <Vexatos> must

L1182[14:41:32] <Vexatos> link

L1183[14:41:33] <Vexatos> http://i.imgur.com/yqCjJaR.png

L1184[14:41:45] <Inari> xarses: so, is that viable?

L1185[14:41:48] <gamax92> Sangar: oc visibility and reachability is terrible please fix.

L1186[14:41:48] <Sangar> anyway, haven't really put too much thought into it yet :X

L1187[14:41:50] <Vexatos> Sangar, isVisibleFrom? :P

L1188[14:42:09] <xarses> Inari: huh?

L1189[14:42:17] <Inari> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/Something%20%2848%29.mp4

L1190[14:42:19] <Inari> detecting blocks

L1191[14:42:20] <Inari> :f

L1192[14:42:38] <Vexatos> xarses, oh look

L1193[14:42:52] <Vexatos> I know how to solve that

L1194[14:42:57] <Vexatos> It's not an issue caused by computronics

L1195[14:43:06] <Vexatos> as I said, it's rather good at exposing bugs in other mods

L1196[14:43:07] <xarses> Inari: >.<

L1197[14:43:12] <Vexatos> step 1) learn how to github

L1198[14:43:16] <asie> Sangar: what

L1199[14:43:19] <Vexatos> step 2) search for this crash

L1200[14:43:21] <asie> what'd i miss

L1201[14:43:23] <Sangar> the idea i'm did start considering is having cables be the 'limiting factor' wrt component count. i.e. have them have channels, and devices be connected to a channel so to say (with a configurable number), but i'm not sure i really like that yet :X

L1202[14:43:32] <Vexatos> step 3) find out that this very crash had been reported four times already

L1203[14:43:35] <Sangar> asie, you have to update oc's block rendering for 1.9

L1204[14:43:38] <Inari> xarses: the restriction as said is that it doesnt work with blocks that dont conduct redstone

L1205[14:43:39] <Inari> such as glass

L1206[14:43:40] <Vexatos> Sorry, xarses

L1207[14:43:40] <asie> Sangar: Okay.

L1208[14:43:44] <asie> Can I rewrite the whole mod to Java for free?

L1209[14:43:52] <Vexatos> you could have found the solution through 5 minutes of google

L1210[14:43:53] <Sangar> sure

L1211[14:43:54] <Vexatos> if at all

L1212[14:43:55] <asie> Excellent

L1213[14:44:03] <asie> I'll get right to it after my exit exams end in 1.5 weeks

L1214[14:44:09] <Vexatos> Sangar, So I heard AE2

L1215[14:44:11] <Sangar> great!

L1216[14:44:18] <asie> Down with the Scala monster

L1217[14:44:21] <gamax92> everybody has exams

L1218[14:44:26] <Sangar> Vexatos, sorta like that i guess, somewhat

L1219[14:44:35] <asie> Sangar: ...and then I realized what I agreed to

L1220[14:44:38] <asie> okay, no, on a more serious note

L1221[14:44:43] <asie> 1.8->1.9 is ridiculously easy

L1222[14:44:43] <Sangar> :P

L1223[14:44:47] <asie> 1. WorldRenderer is now VertexBuffer

L1224[14:44:48] <Inari> cna the inv controller still throw items to arbirtrary sides?

L1225[14:44:50] <asie> 2. ISmartBlockModel is now IBakedModel

L1226[14:44:52] <xarses> Inari: sure that works, but I don't keep a redstone card in my bots, but at least that leaves me a component slot

L1227[14:44:59] <Dashkal> I have a habit of snapping up Scala devs. Just saying.

L1228[14:45:01] <asie> 3. for, ISmartItemModel override IBakedModel.ItemOverrideList

L1229[14:45:06] <asie> now get me old hardware

L1230[14:45:07] <Vexatos> xarses, could you give me fml-client-latest.log

L1231[14:45:10] <Vexatos> of that crash

L1232[14:45:15] <Sangar> i haven't quite figured out ibakedmodel yet

L1233[14:45:17] <Vexatos> then I can even tell you who the culprit is

L1234[14:45:20] <Inari> throwing an item to a side and checking where it lands was another idea if redstone hadnt owrked :P

L1235[14:45:25] <asie> Sangar: what is there to figure out

L1236[14:45:26] <Sangar> is there an example somewhere? :X

L1237[14:45:32] <asie> same with, just with IBlockState parameters

L1238[14:45:34] <asie> same thing*

L1239[14:45:39] <Sangar> huh

L1240[14:45:40] <Vexatos> xarses, I'd bet ten pennies it's ExtraUtilities again

L1241[14:45:45] <Vexatos> but give me that log to make sure

L1242[14:46:39] <Sangar> asie, where did handleBlockState go?

L1243[14:46:40] <xarses> Vexatos: I didn't bother because after fixing that I'd still have to bother my admin to get the mod added and all kinds of effort that if I added it and it breaks everything, then I'm not trusting its going to get promoted into the pack

L1244[14:46:45] <asie> Sangar: It's gone.

L1245[14:46:49] <asie> All methods now take an IBlockState instead.

L1246[14:46:51] <asie> Haven't you noticed?

L1247[14:47:08] <Sangar> ah. aaah. i hadn't >_>

L1248[14:47:09] <asie> If you want the old system you need to make your own wrapper

L1249[14:47:10] <Vexatos> xarses, TL;DR read https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/issues/182 and install CoFHLib (not CoFHCore), it doesn't modify the game in any way unlike the mentioned coremod

L1250[14:47:13] <Vexatos> and fixes your issue

L1251[14:47:19] <Sangar> welp

L1252[14:47:25] <Vexatos> which is caused by ExU shipping an API wrongly

L1253[14:47:33] <Vexatos> and as you can see in https://github.com/rwtema/extrautilities/issues/414

L1254[14:47:34] <xarses> have CoFHLib

L1255[14:47:37] <asie> Sangar: learn2read

L1256[14:47:39] <Vexatos> I reported it over a year ago

L1257[14:47:39] <reinei> how can you ship an API in a wrong way?

L1258[14:47:39] <Sangar> what's the getOverrides do?

L1259[14:47:45] <Vexatos> november 2014

L1260[14:47:46] <gamax92> Sangar: lrn2read

L1261[14:47:47] <asie> That's what you use for ISmartItemModel

L1262[14:47:48] <Vexatos> never fixed

L1263[14:47:51] <xarses> I think

L1264[14:47:51] <asie> it returns an ItemOverrideList

L1265[14:47:59] <asie> if you're happy with metadata-based item models, you can just use that

L1266[14:48:00] <asie> if you aren't

L1267[14:48:01] <Vexatos> Apparently you do not

L1268[14:48:04] <asie> extend the class and override the getter

L1269[14:48:06] <asie> it's the Official(tm) way

L1270[14:48:10] <asie> also, look at Charset source code

L1271[14:48:11] <Vexatos> reinei, only ship half the classes in that API

L1272[14:48:12] <Sangar> okeh

L1273[14:48:12] <asie> it's ported

L1274[14:48:14] <Vexatos> which is what ExU does

L1275[14:48:17] <asie> Sangar: now, get me an 8580R5

L1276[14:48:20] <Sangar> will do

L1277[14:48:22] <reinei> Lol

L1278[14:48:24] <asie> no, i'm serious

L1279[14:48:28] <asie> i've been looking for one for a year

L1280[14:48:29] <Sangar> the looking i mean >_>

L1281[14:48:30] <Vexatos> Engineer's Toolbox does the same

L1282[14:48:32] <asie> :|

L1283[14:48:47] <Vexatos> xarses, just try it. It fixed it the other 12 times it happened

L1284[14:48:53] <Vexatos> (and was reported)

L1285[14:48:57] <Vexatos> as I said, reported it in Nov 2014

L1286[14:48:58] <Vexatos> never fixed

L1287[14:49:52] <xarses> Sigh ya, I already went down that rabbit whole with Sangar over magneticraft doing the same, I would have expected to show up there too.

L1288[14:50:20] <xarses> I don't know why we keep having shit mod maintainers including other peoples API causing loading issues

L1289[14:50:24] <Vexatos> 'tronics seems to be the only mod using that API without shipping it

L1290[14:50:35] <gamax92> make tronics patch the other mods then

L1291[14:50:38] <Vexatos> It does that a lot

L1292[14:50:43] <Vexatos> with other APIs, too

L1293[14:50:45] <xarses> 'Greg it'?

L1294[14:50:48] <Vexatos> but this is the most prominent

L1295[14:50:58] <Sangar> asie, that thing? http://www.ebay.de/itm/Commodore-8580-R5-SID-Soundchip-NEU-NEW-Commodore-IC-/191209685438?hash=item2c84fc41be:g:xccAAOSwcnpTlwmD

L1296[14:50:59] <Vexatos> xarses, gregtech actually only modifies Vanilla and IC2

L1297[14:51:01] <Vexatos> no other mod

L1298[14:51:10] <Vexatos> And it adds support for Thaumcraft

L1299[14:51:11] <Vexatos> that's it

L1300[14:51:16] <gamax92> make tronics open up the mods, delete the apis in them

L1301[14:51:17] <xarses> You know what I mean

L1302[14:51:18] <asie> Sangar: Yes, but taken from an actual C64 board to save, like

L1303[14:51:20] <Vexatos> Anything else is added by other mods

L1304[14:51:21] <asie> 75%

L1305[14:51:23] <Vexatos> as GT integration

L1306[14:51:30] <Sangar> :P

L1307[14:51:38] <Vexatos> gamax92, then those would crash without CoFHLib present

L1308[14:51:52] <gamax92> salvaging SID's from boards is cheaper than the chip alone

L1309[14:52:12] <Vexatos> so yea, xarses. Next time, please report a crash. I'd rather have a crash reported the hundredth time than never. Before reporting, searching through old and closed issues is advised

L1310[14:52:19] <Vexatos> to save both of us some trouble. Thanks.

L1311[14:52:21] <gamax92> Vexatos: then also patch the bad broken jar that's unconditionally using it

L1312[14:52:34] <gamax92> come one, don't you ASM

L1313[14:52:35] <Lizzy> http://imgur.com/QfCsBNs

L1314[14:52:37] <Vexatos> (And install CoFHLib to fix it)

L1315[14:52:40] <Vexatos> gamax92, never

L1316[14:52:47] <gamax92> Vexatos: really?

L1317[14:52:52] <Lizzy> Piece of shit bag

L1318[14:52:53] <gamax92> it's pretty easy o.o

L1319[14:52:56] <Vexatos> gamax92, only TIS

L1320[14:52:57] <Vexatos> :>

L1321[14:52:59] <Skye> Vexatos, make a mod that patches buggy mods. :P

L1322[14:53:06] <Vexatos> Skye, BugFixMod?

L1323[14:53:17] <Skye> yes

L1324[14:53:17] <gamax92> yeah but Vexatos can't asm

L1325[14:53:38] <Vexatos> I can TIS :D

L1326[14:53:41] <xarses> Vexatos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16266893/

L1327[14:53:45] <Vexatos> Sangar, welp, OC 1.6 first

L1328[14:54:09] <Vexatos> xarses, [17:38:04] [Client thread/DEBUG] [FML/]: CoFHAPI|block(API: CoFHAPI|block:1.7.10R1.0.0): extrautilities-1.2.6.jar ()

L1329[14:54:11] <Vexatos> confirmed

L1330[14:54:22] <Vexatos> thanks

L1331[14:54:26] <Vexatos> so yea, CoFHLib to fix it

L1332[14:54:29] <Vexatos> doesn't modify game at all

L1333[14:54:36] <Vexatos> just contains a complete version of the API

L1334[14:55:08] <Vexatos> blame ExU

L1335[14:55:26] <Vexatos> damn being blamed for other mods being stupid is annoying :X

L1336[14:55:37] * Vexatos blames Sangar for Walri being stupid

L1337[14:56:38] * reinei blames Vexatos for TIS-3D having a stupid line limitation and probably still not pproviding code book scrolling

L1338[14:57:06] <xarses> Vexatos: not blaming you

L1339[14:57:06] <Skye> reinei, blame the maker of TIS-1000

L1340[14:57:29] <reinei> wasn't it TIS-100?

L1341[14:57:36] <xarses> All I said was I added it, and the powder keg went off

L1342[14:57:40] <xarses> yes, TIS-100

L1343[14:57:55] <xarses> http://store.steampowered.com/app/370360/

L1344[14:58:14] *** Keridos is now known as Keridos|away

L1345[15:00:52] *** Guest60558 is now known as Nadeko

L1346[15:02:02] * xarses bumps Vexatos

L1347[15:02:45] <asie> https://github.com/Darkhax-Minecraft/Tesla/issues/4#issuecomment-217544584

L1348[15:02:48] <asie> please support this cause

L1349[15:03:47] <Skye> asie, wut

L1350[15:07:00] <Forecaster> woo microcontrollers

L1351[15:07:40] * Skye controls Forecaster micro

L1352[15:08:04] <Vexatos> xarses, ExU 1.7.10 is abandoned

L1353[15:08:07] <Vexatos> won't ever be fixed, sorry

L1354[15:08:15] <xarses> eh, thats not ok

L1355[15:08:46] <Skye> Vexatos, make a mod bugfixer

L1356[15:09:06] <Vexatos> xarses, been abandoned months ago

L1357[15:09:12] <Vexatos> ever since it updated to 1.8

L1358[15:09:12] <reinei> Vexatos: just rewrite all the mods to be gud

L1359[15:09:20] <xarses> lol

L1360[15:09:23] <Skye> reinei, no, that's asie's job

L1361[15:09:28] <Skye> Vexatos's job is to maintain them

L1362[15:09:39] <Forecaster> Skye: my micro cannot be controlled, we are all doomed

L1363[15:09:51] <xarses> Vexatos: sounds like an opertunity to fix the the issue

L1364[15:09:51] <Forecaster> Doooomed

L1365[15:09:51] <CompanionCube> did you accidentally into skynet

L1366[15:10:04] <Vexatos> xarses, well I didn't test on 1.8

L1367[15:10:06] <Skye> CompanionCube, hum?

L1368[15:10:09] <xarses> Skye's net

L1369[15:10:10] <Vexatos> but I doubt RWTema got much smarter

L1370[15:10:10] <Vexatos> >_>

L1371[15:10:18] <Vexatos> that guy is generally a PITA

L1372[15:10:22] <Vexatos> with any of his mods

L1373[15:10:30] <Vexatos> code-wise

L1374[15:10:31] <Forecaster> he makes other mods?

L1375[15:10:40] <Vexatos> some

L1376[15:10:42] <Vexatos> few

L1377[15:10:44] <Vexatos> mostly abandoned

L1378[15:10:45] <Vexatos> all bad

L1379[15:10:51] <Vexatos> (badly coded)

L1380[15:10:53] <Vexatos> like ExU

L1381[15:11:21] <Forecaster> I see

L1382[15:17:29] <gamax92> ? bowling ball

L1383[15:18:07] <Forecaster> I love getting notifications what my domain will expire from someone who's not my registrar wanting me to pay $69 to renew it

L1384[15:18:16] <Forecaster> s/what/that/

L1385[15:18:16] <MichiBot> <Forecaster> I love getting notifications that my domain will expire from someone who's not my registrar wanting me to pay $69 to renew it

L1386[15:23:28] <gamax92> Forecaster: hey your domain is expiring, please pay me like I dunno $489 to go renew it

L1387[15:23:30] <gamax92> kthx

L1388[15:23:42] <Forecaster> seems legit :P

L1389[15:23:58] <Inari> Vexatos: aw :P i thougth funky locomotion was good because its coded by RWTema

L1390[15:24:25] <xarses> unif the source is closed

L1391[15:24:31] <xarses> >=(

L1392[15:24:49] <Vexatos> xarses, you're clearly not throwing sufficient amounts of fernflowers around

L1393[15:24:49] <xarses> otherwise we could do something useful, like fork and fix

L1394[15:25:00] <Vexatos> Sangar: When in doubt, use more fernflower.

L1395[15:25:07] <xarses> fernflower?

L1396[15:25:09] ⇦ Quits: S3 (~S3@coreos2.lobsternetworks.com) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)

L1397[15:25:14] <Vexatos> Yea

L1398[15:25:26] <Vexatos> a type of flower with the magical properties to make compiled code readable

L1399[15:25:38] <Vexatos> If you only supply the necessary amount

L1400[15:25:50] <xarses> I don't do java

L1401[15:26:01] <xarses> not standing up

L1402[15:26:05] <xarses> not lying down

L1403[15:26:09] <xarses> not with a book

L1404[15:26:11] <xarses> or in a boat

L1405[15:26:18] <Vexatos> Well

L1406[15:26:25] <Vexatos> Use more fernflowers

L1407[15:26:40] * xarses just opens the zip and removes the API folder

L1408[15:26:43] <Vexatos> You can't really make a mod like Computronics without it

L1409[15:26:47] <Vexatos> xarses, would crash ExU

L1410[15:26:54] <Vexatos> as it expects it to be there

L1411[15:27:38] <xarses> well, I wen't a bit suse there

L1412[15:27:56] <xarses> I'm not sure what that was about

L1413[15:28:39] ⇦ Quits: sciguyryan (~sciguyrya@5.79.74.233) (Remote host closed the connection)

L1414[15:37:24] <gamax92> Vexatos: eww, fernflower

L1415[15:40:18] <asie> https://github.com/Darkhax-Minecraft/Tesla/pull/9

L1416[15:40:19] * reinei sneezes

L1417[15:40:29] <reinei> I am alergic to fernflower(s)

L1418[15:41:05] <xarses> Sounds like Vexatos is alergic to ExU

L1419[15:56:49] <Lizzy> finally, am home

L1420[15:57:37] <Vexatos> overused and bad mod

L1421[15:57:38] <Vexatos> used to be good

L1422[15:58:42] <Lizzy> only things i use from ExU is the transfer nodes for quick item/fluid setups and the barrels when i want fancy fluid storage

L1423[15:59:55] <Vexatos> why not

L1424[15:59:55] <Vexatos> use

L1425[15:59:56] <Vexatos> the mod

L1426[16:00:00] <Vexatos> called Fancy Fluid Storage

L1427[16:00:19] <Forecaster> too obvious, it's probably a trap

L1428[16:02:10] <Forecaster> also railcraft tanks

L1429[16:02:43] <Inari> just pump it into the world

L1430[16:02:43] <Inari> :f

L1431[16:03:14] <Inari> "We want to let you know about some upcoming changes to OneDrive. On 10/08/2016, the amount of storage that comes with OneDrive will change from 15 GB to 5 GB." cute

L1432[16:03:42] <xarses> Admiral Ackbar: "It's a Trap!"

L1433[16:04:23] <Lizzy> Vexatos, maybe because i've never heard of that before?

L1434[16:04:35] <xarses> We use the drums (they are not barrels thats Jabba)

L1435[16:04:39] <xarses> mostly

L1436[16:04:45] <xarses> oh, and ender lilly

L1437[16:04:48] <CompanionCube> Inari, don't you get to keep the additional storage if you're using it

L1438[16:04:53] <Vexatos> Lizzy, http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/ffs-fancy-fluid-storage

L1439[16:04:54] <Vexatos> also Railcraft

L1440[16:05:01] <Lizzy> eh

L1441[16:05:08] <Inari> CompanionCube: dunno, im not using it so it just tells me i need to take no action because im bnelow the new limit

L1442[16:05:09] <Inari> so i doubt that

L1443[16:05:11] <xarses> railcraft its laggy and bad on its own

L1444[16:05:27] <Lizzy> RC is nice for big setups but gets a bit obnoxious for smaller spaces

L1445[16:05:33] <Lizzy> I don't have any issues with RC

L1446[16:05:55] <Forecaster> railcraft tanks certainly don't fir in one block :P

L1447[16:05:58] <Forecaster> fit*

L1448[16:06:13] <Lizzy> yeah

L1449[16:06:20] <xarses> not portable

L1450[16:06:27] <Forecaster> or that

L1451[16:06:35] <Forecaster> both by design

L1452[16:06:35] <Inari> thats what tankcarts are for

L1453[16:06:36] <xarses> like man reason we need um

L1454[16:06:45] <Lizzy> they're good for a central tank room or something but not a small "this train needs water" area

L1455[16:06:48] <xarses> ya, you're insane

L1456[16:06:53] <xarses> also requires buildcraft

L1457[16:07:00] <Inari> Lizzy: depends, you hav elike infinite space anyway

L1458[16:07:00] <Lizzy> BC is also nice

L1459[16:07:03] <xarses> which we finally ditched

L1460[16:07:14] <Inari> why would you ditch BC :f

L1461[16:07:17] * Lizzy probably wont ever ditch bc

L1462[16:07:18] <Forecaster> it does not require buildcraft

L1463[16:07:52] <xarses> the tank cart?

L1464[16:08:00] <xarses> they are also hardly portable

L1465[16:08:09] <Inari> they arel iterally moving things

L1466[16:08:12] <Inari> how are they not portable

L1467[16:08:14] <Forecaster> the tank cart what?

L1468[16:08:21] <xarses> if you lay a million miles of track

L1469[16:08:36] <Inari> theres a machine for that :p

L1470[16:08:40] <xarses> drum, like as in a drum of oil

L1471[16:08:51] <Inari> but yeah i prefer mods that arent magic

L1472[16:08:51] <xarses> as in the way we move fluids in real life

L1473[16:08:54] <Lizzy> you don't setup massive train networks? :O

L1474[16:09:02] <Lizzy> Forecaster, I FOUND A HEATHEN

L1475[16:09:15] <Forecaster> :P

L1476[16:09:50] <Forecaster> I'm more interesting in why they think railcraft requires buildcraft

L1477[16:10:03] <xarses> eh?

L1478[16:10:05] <Forecaster> because it hasn't for a handfull of versions now

L1479[16:10:07] <xarses> I didn't say that

L1480[16:10:18] <xarses> doesn't the tank cart require it tho

L1481[16:10:18] <Inari> [23:06:28] <xarses> also requires buildcraft

L1482[16:10:21] <Inari> ah

L1483[16:10:22] <Inari> :P

L1484[16:10:50] <xarses> So you don't have a problem with the fact that Steve can an obsene amount of volume, but you want not magic handeling of fluids?

L1485[16:11:11] <Forecaster> changing the subject I see :P

L1486[16:11:11] <Inari> theres a line of balance

L1487[16:11:16] <Lizzy> Forecaster, lol https://www.theender.net/shx/zion/chrome_2016-05-06_22-11-09.png

L1488[16:11:18] <Inari> if it removes interesting gameplay, i tend to not like it

L1489[16:11:26] <Inari> setting up fun train transports and such is interesting gameplay

L1490[16:11:35] <Lizzy> hmm

L1491[16:11:37] <xarses> I just need a tank that I can break and replace

L1492[16:11:42] <Forecaster> I play with blocks and items having weight, so I do have a problem with that actually :P

L1493[16:11:44] <reinei> and I still have to do it once

L1494[16:11:47] <xarses> I should correct

L1495[16:12:09] <xarses> I just need a tank that I can break, move, and replace, and it keeps its content, say like a drum

L1496[16:12:16] * Lizzy wonders what her and Forecaster could make if they were on the same server with RC,OC,Computronics and some other

L1497[16:12:18] <Inari> Forecaster: interesting, how does that work out?

L1498[16:12:19] <xarses> its not magic, its how we move fluids IRL

L1499[16:12:40] <Inari> xarses: its magic due to the sheer amounts of A fitting into B :P

L1500[16:12:42] <Lizzy> a monstrosity of efficiency most likely

L1501[16:12:44] <reinei> using magic IRL? gimme!

L1502[16:13:02] <xarses> Inari: yes, 256 buckets is a bit high for a single container

L1503[16:13:06] <Inari> xarses: whats wrong with like, buckets? :D

L1504[16:13:14] <xarses> >.<

L1505[16:13:22] * xarses jumps out the window

L1506[16:13:27] <Forecaster> I use ic2 cells, which lets you carry 64 buckets in a stack

L1507[16:13:30] * Lizzy celebrates

L1508[16:13:37] <xarses> Look, magic

L1509[16:13:40] <xarses> Shoot the witch

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L1511[16:13:46] <xarses> erm, Burn the Witch

L1512[16:13:49] * reinei shoots xarses

L1513[16:14:00] <Forecaster> I still think those drums are severely overpowered

L1514[16:14:01] <reinei> Witches cannot exist! Only god can perform magic!

L1515[16:14:01] * Lizzy burns xarses at the stake

L1516[16:14:12] <Forecaster> which is one of the reasons I don't use ExU

L1517[16:14:14] <Lizzy> please don't go religious

L1518[16:14:39] <reinei> Lizzy: I just explained to him why the first people to run to the church yelling 'witch' were the ones burned

L1519[16:14:53] * Lizzy mehs

L1520[16:14:53] <reinei> I am not really religious my self

L1521[16:15:06] <Lizzy> also i think the only time i've used the drums recently was when i was too lazy to set up a proper water source for a steam train

L1522[16:15:22] <Forecaster> Inari: I sure get lots of workouts carrying giant chunks of stone around :P

L1523[16:15:37] <Forecaster> I don't really mind the basic drum

L1524[16:15:54] <Forecaster> but last I checked the upgraded versions were riddiculous

L1525[16:16:12] <xarses> they do take several billion stone to make

L1526[16:16:28] <Temia> I tended to use drums a lot, mostly for gathering small amounts of oil or lava.

L1527[16:16:31] <Forecaster> oh no, stone, wherever will you find that? :P

L1528[16:16:49] <Lizzy> up my bum

L1529[16:16:52] * xarses looks

L1530[16:16:54] <Lizzy> speaking of which

L1531[16:16:54] <Temia> Anything more dedicated warranted an RC tank though.

L1532[16:16:57] <xarses> nothing around

L1533[16:16:59] * Lizzy should go see a specialist

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L1535[16:17:28] <xarses> yes, if you have a billion square meters of stone up there, that would be a problem

L1536[16:17:44] * xarses waits for jenkins to fail

L1537[16:18:23] * reinei slaps xarses. 'One does not simply look up the anus of a woman ...'

L1538[16:18:23] * EnderBot2 rulls on the floor laughing

L1539[16:18:41] <xarses> oh, I was looking for stone

L1540[16:18:46] <xarses> not up Liz's bum

L1541[16:18:56] <Forecaster> "rulls"?

L1542[16:19:10] <reinei> @Lizzy | up my bum * | xarses looks clearly states otherwise

L1543[16:19:22] <xarses> I was replying to Forecaster

L1544[16:19:24] <xarses> not Lizzy

L1545[16:19:43] <reinei> please be more descriptive next time to avoid confusion, also this is an apology for that slap then?

L1546[16:19:59] <xarses> you need to be more descriptive

L1547[16:20:05] <xarses> they landed within seconds

L1548[16:20:14] <xarses> they where clearly out of context

L1549[16:20:34] <Forecaster> quickly, everyone, use more words!

L1550[16:21:01] <xarses> words!

L1551[16:21:08] <reinei> 2 seconds on my side could be 5 seconds for someone else and a /me looks is VERY easily typed

L1552[16:21:31] <xarses> your problem, not mine

L1553[16:21:36] <Forecaster> reinei wins!

L1554[16:21:47] <Forecaster> the prize is some internet cookies

L1555[16:21:47] <reinei> yay, what have I won?

L1556[16:21:50] <reinei> yay

L1557[16:22:03] <reinei> then %+1 me my cookie xD

L1558[16:22:06] <xarses> I know what I was referring to, your failed a perception check

L1559[16:22:26] <Forecaster> %+1 reinei

L1560[16:22:28] <MichiBot> Forecaster: reinei now has 2 points

L1561[16:22:33] <reinei> xarses: it was a critical failure, you're lucky I didn't use a sword out of accident ...

L1562[16:24:31] * xarses goes back to codeing around the insane optics package every one is happy to have in their robots

L1563[16:24:50] <Forecaster> optics package?

L1564[16:24:56] <xarses> read the backlog

L1565[16:25:04] <Forecaster> meh

L1566[16:25:12] <reinei> Forecaster: the inability to see blocks to the side of robots

L1567[16:25:14] <xarses> I don't like that we can't see left or right (robot.detect

L1568[16:25:19] <xarses> )

L1569[16:25:19] <Forecaster> ah

L1570[16:25:25] <Lizzy> Forecaster, "rulls" was a typo i made and decided to leave in

L1571[16:25:34] <Forecaster> ah :P

L1572[16:25:46] <Forecaster> but the robot doesn't have eyes on the sides

L1573[16:25:58] <reinei> please don't start it again ...

L1574[16:26:05] <Forecaster> it makes sense that it has to turn to me :P

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L1577[16:31:46] <xarses> Well, it doesn't have eyes

L1578[16:34:03] <Forecaster> it has a visor thing on the front

L1579[16:34:49] <xarses> it still wouldn't contain eyes

L1580[16:35:25] <xarses> and I just checked, it has enough clearance that it should be resonable to see enough on the sides to preceive if the space is occupied

L1581[16:35:58] <Forecaster> I'm obviously using "eyes" as "thing it sees with"

L1582[16:36:17] <Forecaster> taking that litterally is really pointless

L1583[16:36:29] <xarses> =)

L1584[16:37:44] <Forecaster> and if there is a camera inside of that visor it would have to be able to see through the casing to be able to see to the sides

L1585[16:38:01] <Forecaster> it would at most have like a 170 degree field of vision or something

L1586[16:38:06] <Forecaster> :P

L1587[16:38:21] <xarses> which eyes would have

L1588[16:38:31] <xarses> which is why we aren't calling them eyes

L1589[16:39:02] * xarses reconfigures it to have a pair of visors

L1590[16:39:11] <Forecaster> again, pointlessly taking "eyes" literally

L1591[16:39:32] <Forecaster> it's a robot, it has a camera, presumably

L1592[16:39:33] <xarses> I am trolling you, the conversation is closed, no on agrees with me

L1593[16:41:12] <xarses> I just find it absurd some one would build a robot that would have to turn to face a direction just to determine that it can't move that way

L1594[16:42:35] <Forecaster> you would if you had technical or spatial limitations

L1595[16:43:45] <Inari> xarses: i partially do agree

L1596[16:43:51] <xarses> yay!

L1597[16:44:02] <Inari> however, the solution I woudl want, would be that robots become vastly more complex and modular

L1598[16:44:05] <Inari> and i dont think anyone wants that

L1599[16:44:06] <Inari> :P

L1600[16:44:33] <reinei> Inari: maybe

L1601[16:44:59] <Inari> that is, desinging a robot would become a matter of arranged components inside the actual space of the robots cube

L1602[16:45:09] <Inari> fi you arranged sensors the right way you could get a simple "is there" readout on the sides

L1603[16:45:11] <xarses> we can solve it with components, but what I'm frustrated about, is that my bots are already full with components they need, now I have to loose something else to give them decent navigation

L1604[16:45:30] <Inari> why do you rrobots needs indiviudal pathing?

L1605[16:45:44] <xarses> because they go out and mine

L1606[16:45:56] <Forecaster> Inari: except a robot is diamond shaped :P

L1607[16:46:05] <Inari> hmm i dont see turning to be usch a huge issue since its automated mining

L1608[16:46:06] <Inari> but well

L1609[16:46:14] <Inari> Forecaster: then arranged components in the diamodn shaped space

L1610[16:46:16] <Inari> no different

L1611[16:46:16] <Inari> :P

L1612[16:46:37] <xarses> I'm probably just going to re-work them to work as a swarm in which case they will just hive most of the time

L1613[16:47:00] <xarses> But thats a bit more complext than I wanted for simple move to coding

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L1615[16:47:43] <reinei> xarses: A* is NOT simple

L1616[16:47:56] <reinei> there are reasons some games just SUCK at pathfinding

L1617[16:47:59] <xarses> It's simple enough

L1618[16:48:08] <xarses> most games

L1619[16:48:20] <gm|and> it is in some langs / with some libs

L1620[16:48:41] <gm|and> unless of course you use it for dynamic stuff

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L1622[16:49:11] <gm|and> as A* does assume everything else is static

L1623[16:49:44] <xarses> ya, I was going to work around that

L1624[16:49:47] <gm|and> you can use it for dynamic stuff but you do need to call it several times as conditions change

L1625[16:49:57] <xarses> Also we just re-compute when it's off

L1626[16:50:23] <xarses> also if we cant 'see' ahead, we have to recalculate every time anyway

L1627[16:50:54] <gm|and> D* could be worth investigating, ive yet to implement it though

L1628[16:52:11] <xarses> I barely understand A*

L1629[16:52:17] <xarses> is there a good tutorial?

L1630[16:52:28] <gm|and> i have done A* in C before, the hard bit is the prio queue

L1631[16:52:36] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/ZOxf8

L1632[16:52:48] <gm|and> what lang are you using?

L1633[16:54:04] <reinei> gm|and: I used a java lib when I implemented it thus making it really easy

L1634[16:54:05] <CompanionCube> 'Want to give special thanks to @asiekierka for his suggestion, it was very lit.'

L1635[16:54:05] <gm|and> basically at each node you track if you have visited the node (that is, you have popped it off the prio queue)

L1636[16:54:06] <CompanionCube> lol

L1637[16:54:39] <gm|and> and you track the node you came from

L1638[16:54:45] <Inari> features for a pc chair i want: able to recline, filled area below armrests (not just "cutouts"), cushioned, arm rests can be rotated sideways/backwards a bit, armrests can be taken off, height-adjustable, should be able to change its postioining angle to lean to the sides a bit and stay that way...

L1639[16:55:36] <gm|and> prio queue key is dist+heuristic, entries are (dist, cur node, prev node) i think

L1640[16:55:44] <Forecaster> Inari: that is weeeeird

L1641[16:56:20] <Forecaster> not your chair requirements, the previous thing

L1642[16:56:38] <gm|and> inari it sounds like you also need a monacle and a cat

L1643[16:57:08] <Inari> gm|and: lol why

L1644[16:58:19] <CompanionCube> for the stereotypical 'evil villain' look

L1645[16:58:38] <CompanionCube> gm|and, and the cat should be being repeatedly stroked

L1646[16:58:53] <gm|and> yes that is part of the plan

L1647[16:59:25] <Inari> but i dont want to look evil villain D:

L1648[16:59:34] <gm|and> it must also be facing directly away from the door by default, but must also be able to easily turn 180

L1649[16:59:40] <reinei> Inari wants to look innocent maiden xD

L1650[16:59:57] <Inari> thats even the name of some lolita brand iirc

L1651[17:00:04] <gm|and> als

L1652[17:00:14] <gm|and> almost sounds like a drink

L1653[17:00:27] <Inari> i just want a flexible chari :<

L1654[17:00:42] <Inari> ah no

L1655[17:00:49] <Inari> innocent world and victorian maiden exist

L1656[17:00:52] <Inari> but no innocent maiden

L1657[17:00:52] <Inari> :p

L1658[17:02:41] <CompanionCube> gm|and, there should also be a spinning globe nearby

L1659[17:02:57] <reinei> and some nuke starting buttons!

L1660[17:07:52] <xarses> why do robots charge at different rates than batteries?

L1661[17:08:03] <xarses> (and tablets)

L1662[17:09:27] <xarses> also, what is the green square for when you have a tablet in hand? is that the position reference?

L1663[17:11:11] <Forecaster> green square?

L1664[17:12:15] <Dashkal> It's caused by a module you stuffed in it. Targeting I believe.

L1665[17:12:24] <Dashkal> The docs on the module explain why it's there and exactly what it means.

L1666[17:12:35] <Forecaster> isn't that a nanomachine effect?

L1667[17:12:58] <Forecaster> I think the green square on blocks in the tablet appears if you have a piston upgrade in it

L1668[17:14:57] <Dashkal> IIRC the geolyzer does that too. I recall reading about it, just not the specifics.

L1669[17:15:59] <Forecaster> I believe all of them use the same visual to highlight a block

L1670[17:17:36] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HlgDj-dQpY ~

L1671[17:17:36] <MichiBot> [HD] Touhou - Purple Rain United: Alice's Unbelievable Assault (English Subtitles) | length: 4m 14s | Likes: 3048 Dislikes: 44 Views: 307287 | by Suika Ibuki

L1672[17:18:43] <Inari> oh

L1673[17:18:52] <Inari> i forgot adjustable seating area size in my list of chair features :x

L1674[17:24:08] <Lizzy> o/ LordFokas|out

L1675[17:24:37] <xarses> the green square appears regardless

L1676[17:24:42] <xarses> of upgrades

L1677[17:25:00] *** LordFokas|out is now known as LordFokas

L1678[17:25:11] <LordFokas> \o Lizzy

L1679[17:25:34] * LordFokas is finishing a Knowledge Engineering report. Not fun.

L1680[17:25:47] <LordFokas> (data mining, basically)

L1681[17:30:36] <Kodos> ~w redstone

L1682[17:30:36] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:redstone

L1683[17:31:09] <Kodos> is the redstone IO block basically T2 in a block?

L1684[17:31:09] * vifino carries the already sleeping Lizzy to bed

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L1687[17:42:49] <Shuudoushi> [17:19:01] <Inari> i forgot adjustable seating area size in my list of chair features :x <- Do i even want to know?

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L1690[17:47:52] <Inari> Shuudoushi: hm? well in general the seating area size (the part you sit on) is fine for my current chair, especially when leaning back.but when sitting uprigth for some sitting positions it can be kind of hard/uncomfortable to try and still sti upright against the backrest while sitting because the area is too big

L1691[17:48:28] <Shuudoushi> o.O

L1692[17:48:46] <Shuudoushi> how can a seating area be too big...

L1693[17:50:04] <Inari> because for some ways of seating too much of my leg will be on the seating area when im also wanting to sit against the backrest and make certain positions uncomfortable

L1694[17:50:14] <Kodos> Can someone link me to a simple example of a 'Y/n' prompt, with enter defaulting to Y

L1695[17:50:28] <Inari> thouygh ithink the most important feature is that i want the armrests to be filled/cuhsioned and able to angle them off sideways/to the back

L1696[17:50:44] <Shuudoushi> Kodos: /bin/install.lua

L1697[17:51:10] <Shuudoushi> Inari: you're a very strange girl huh...

L1698[17:51:16] <Inari> Shuudoushi: why :P

L1699[17:51:20] <reinei> Shuudoushi: I can relate ...

L1700[17:51:25] <Inari> arm rests get in the way sometimes :<

L1701[17:51:27] <Shuudoushi> that much thought in a fucking cjair lol

L1702[17:51:28] <reinei> to Inari that is

L1703[17:51:41] <Shuudoushi> chair*

L1704[17:51:54] <Shuudoushi> my fingers went all kinds of retard for a sec there...

L1705[17:52:12] <Inari> moved over 1 letter = all kinds of retard

L1706[17:52:16] <Skye> I need more RAM

L1707[17:52:47] <Skye> I'm going to upgrade to 20GB when I get the chance

L1708[17:54:17] <Inari> how much do ou have

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L1710[17:57:22] <Kodos> Shuudoushi, does this look like a valid, working function to you? http://puu.sh/oIPPh/e6a407694f.txt

L1711[17:57:53] <reinei> should be fine

L1712[17:57:53] <Dashkal> A friend of mine ignored my warnings... He's watching the star wars holiday special

L1713[17:58:08] <Shuudoushi> Kodos: looks good enough

L1714[17:58:28] <Shuudoushi> Dashkal: we shall build him a fine tomb

L1715[17:59:12] <Dashkal> For those of you suddenly curious. Yes, yes it is /that/ bad.

L1716[17:59:20] <Dashkal> It's not entertaining bad. It's soul crushingly bad.

L1717[17:59:50] <reinei> ~xkcd star wars

L1718[18:00:05] <reinei> no actually: bad movie night

L1719[18:00:27] <reinei> do these bots only resolve links to titles?

L1720[18:00:42] <Dashkal> This isn't "bad movie" night this is "oh fuck why did I do this to myself?" night.

L1721[18:00:49] <reinei> https://xkcd.com/653/

L1722[18:00:49] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: So Bad It's Worse Posted on: 10/23/2009

L1723[18:00:57] <Inari> anyone here german?

L1724[18:01:04] <reinei> me, why?

L1725[18:01:13] <Inari> whats the german term for dish chair

L1726[18:01:14] <Inari> :f

L1727[18:01:23] <reinei> dish chair?!

L1728[18:01:31] <Inari> https://www.google.de/search?q=dish+chair&biw=1280&bih=637&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjb_OyEx8bMAhUJPRQKHQdkDkkQ_AUIBygC

L1729[18:02:13] <reinei> I have no idea, lemme find it for you

L1730[18:02:14] <vifino> Man, I would love to have the top model of the Thinkpad P70.

L1731[18:02:17] <vifino> But... 5.439,00 €

L1732[18:02:20] <Inari> oh rihgt

L1733[18:02:22] <Inari> vif was german too

L1734[18:02:28] <vifino> q_q

L1735[18:02:39] <Inari> hey im pisces

L1736[18:02:44] <Inari> i have thememory of a goldfish

L1737[18:02:57] <vifino> More like a coconut.

L1738[18:03:12] <Inari> wat

L1739[18:04:00] <reinei> schalensessel is the closest I can come up with

L1740[18:04:52] <Inari> hmm

L1741[18:05:01] <Shuudoushi> saucer chair will more than likely give you a better result btw

L1742[18:05:13] <Inari> not for german produt son a german page

L1743[18:05:36] <reinei> Inari: why do you always shop on german sites?

L1744[18:05:38] <Shuudoushi> no, I mean using saucer chair as the base of the german term

L1745[18:05:53] <Shuudoushi> reinei: b/c she likes the abuse

L1746[18:05:53] <Inari> cause i live in gemrany and international shippping is slow and pricey

L1747[18:06:07] <Inari> haha!

L1748[18:06:09] <Inari> papasan sessel

L1749[18:06:19] <Shuudoushi> lol, there you go

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L1751[18:06:29] <reinei> Shuudoushi: I just picked words that narrowed my search results to be more like that

L1752[18:06:35] <Inari> https://www.google.de/search?q=papasansessel&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB0L6VyMbMAhUBPhQKHbd1CsMQ_AUICCgC&biw=1280&bih=637

L1753[18:06:37] <Inari> seems about right at least

L1754[18:07:07] <Inari> its nice when theres a wiki page about something because often it has ane quivalent wiki page in german and then i can just og there to find the name :f

L1755[18:07:14] <Inari> reinei: tahnks :3

L1756[18:07:17] <reinei> np

L1757[18:07:26] <S3> So

L1758[18:07:32] <Shuudoushi> this a horse shoes and hand grenades type thing Inari

L1759[18:07:40] <Shuudoushi> close enough, does indeed count

L1760[18:07:44] <Inari> Shuudoushi: ?

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L1762[18:08:08] <Inari> those dish chairs look super comfy for watching anime though

L1763[18:08:19] <Inari> and various other acitivties

L1764[18:08:25] <Shuudoushi> there ok

L1765[18:08:36] <Kodos> Anyone know how to get a 3D print to have the funky End Portal texture

L1766[18:08:42] <Kodos> Or is that not possible atm

L1767[18:08:52] <Inari> tried scanning and ned portal?

L1768[18:08:55] <Shuudoushi> Inari: just make sure yo get one with a full back, not a 'netted' back

L1769[18:09:13] <Inari> netted being http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8smj-9p.jpg ?

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L1771[18:09:14] <Kodos> Not yet, I'm not in game atm, was just curious if anyone knew how

L1772[18:09:28] <Shuudoushi> Kodos: end stone

L1773[18:09:40] <Kodos> Shuudoushi, no, the portal texture that moves as you move

L1774[18:09:45] <Kodos> The voidy bits

L1775[18:09:45] <Shuudoushi> ah

L1776[18:09:57] <Shuudoushi> I think it can be done

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L1778[18:10:22] <Inari> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61UQUYboStL._SL1063_.jpg i suppose thats full back?

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L1780[18:10:48] <Inari> also holy carp

L1781[18:10:51] <Inari> those things are pricey

L1782[18:11:01] <Inari> its literally a piece of crap witha pillow in it

L1783[18:11:06] <Inari> hwo does it costs like 250~400 euros

L1784[18:11:22] <Shuudoushi> XD

L1785[18:11:28] <Shuudoushi> and close enough Inari

L1786[18:11:45] <Inari> well cant seem to find any better

L1787[18:12:07] <Inari> shcalensessel is also a thing

L1788[18:12:10] <Inari> but the yseem less comfy

L1789[18:12:17] <Inari> data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAoHBwgHBgoICAgLCgoLDhgQDg0NDh0VFhEYIx8lJCIfIiEmKzcvJik0KSEiMEExNDk7Pj4+JS5ESUM8SDc9Pjv/2wBDAQoLCw4NDhwQEBw7KCIoOzs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozv/wAARCAEsASwDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHAAAAQUBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIDBAUGAQcI/8QAVRAAAQMCAwQFBgYOCAQFBQAAAQACAwQRBRIhBjFBURMiYXGBBxQykbHRFSNSocHhFhczNUJDVWJyc5KjsvAkRFNUk6LC0iWCg

L1790[18:12:19] <Inari> ...

L1791[18:12:20] <Inari> pls

L1792[18:12:24] <Inari> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71ISTx0GIXL._SL1500_.jpg

L1793[18:12:53] <Inari> like i dunno about you, but that looks like 50 pies less comfy tahn the other thing

L1794[18:12:56] <Shuudoushi> that's what I meant by full back Inari

L1795[18:13:22] <Inari> but it looks uncomfy and too narrow :s

L1796[18:13:45] <Shuudoushi> better than falling through one in 2 years right?

L1797[18:14:05] <Inari> well if its uncomfy i coudl just keep my seomwhat comfy chair though :P

L1798[18:14:33] <Inari> why do you suck, germany

L1799[18:15:09] <Shuudoushi> move to the US or canada

L1800[18:15:16] <Inari> yeah, no

L1801[18:15:21] <Inari> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/610r7wj9xDL._SL1000_.jpg like how does this cost 660 euros

L1802[18:15:50] <Shuudoushi> b/c it's fucking big and made out of metal and plastic

L1803[18:16:15] <Inari> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41yB5MHt-PL.jpg that seems like a good compromise

L1804[18:16:18] <Inari> not as narrow, full back

L1805[18:16:21] <Inari> and i can throw pillow in

L1806[18:16:37] <Shuudoushi> http://www.amazon.com/Coaster-102583-Round-Back-Swivel-Chair/dp/B007B71ZH2/ref=sr_1_27?s=furniture&ie=UTF8&qid=1462576576&sr=1-27&keywords=saucer+chair

L1807[18:16:53] <Inari> that looks like its going to break down :P

L1808[18:16:54] <Shuudoushi> look up the model number for that thing and you're set

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L1810[18:17:34] <Inari> also look too narrow

L1811[18:17:35] <Inari> and too small

L1812[18:17:45] <Shuudoushi> when the fuck did amazone start addng the tax thing? http://goo.gl/373WGL

L1813[18:18:12] <Inari> plus thatmodel number or ASIN doesnt finda aynthing on amazon.de

L1814[18:18:20] <Shuudoushi> Inari: it's 24.75 inches wide

L1815[18:18:27] <Shuudoushi> that's about 60cm

L1816[18:18:52] <Inari> they clearly lack a banana for scale there

L1817[18:19:10] <Inari> the others seem generally about 110cm wide though

L1818[18:19:11] <Inari> so...

L1819[18:19:37] <Inari> or 90 for the last i linked

L1820[18:19:47] <Shuudoushi> how tall are you again?

L1821[18:20:10] <Inari> doesnt amtter :P i want to be able to cuddle into it in a comfortable position when watching anime, or doing other stuff

L1822[18:20:23] <Shuudoushi> lol

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L1824[18:20:48] <Inari> what

L1825[18:21:17] <Inari> with that, its more like an actual chair

L1826[18:21:21] <Inari> i cant just freely position

L1827[18:21:52] * Shuudoushi sighs.

L1828[18:21:56] <Inari> what

L1829[18:21:57] <Inari> :P

L1830[18:22:05] <Shuudoushi> and the others that just rotate are better?

L1831[18:22:12] <Inari> hm?

L1832[18:22:24] <Shuudoushi> the egg you linked only rotated

L1833[18:22:35] <Inari> welll what else would it be doing?

L1834[18:22:39] <S3> you're supposed to find eggs

L1835[18:22:43] <S3> not give them out

L1836[18:22:45] <Shuudoushi> XD

L1837[18:23:15] <Shuudoushi> brb, stepping out for a smoke

L1838[18:23:17] <Inari> its to relax, lean back, w#atch anime an such

L1839[18:23:23] <S3> DO NOT SMOKE

L1840[18:23:25] <S3> smoking is bad

L1841[18:23:31] <S3> my grandmother smoked 4 packs a day

L1842[18:23:40] <Shuudoushi> so is lead, but I've got plenty of that too

L1843[18:23:51] <Shuudoushi> I smoke less than a pack now

L1844[18:24:25] <S3> she quit 50 years later, all that tar dried out in less than 3 days and fell loose in her lungs and she had to be on oxygen for the rest of her life, and then her throad got a bacterial infection from the lack of tar covering her throat, and it ate her from the inside out

L1845[18:24:43] <S3> and she's dead now, unfortunately

L1846[18:25:11] * Shuudoushi is in the US Army.

L1847[18:25:13] <S3> quit now while you can

L1848[18:25:14] <S3> :)

L1849[18:25:17] <Inari> sounds like she shouldnt have quit :s

L1850[18:25:24] <Shuudoushi> smoking is the least likely way I'm going to die

L1851[18:25:44] <S3> I dunno

L1852[18:26:06] <Inari> well i will try to find an egg-shaped chair i can throw a dish chair pilolow in that can be height adjusted

L1853[18:26:08] <S3> even with a lot of deaths and scary shit, apparently death is of lower risk than injury in the US military

L1854[18:26:13] <Inari> need to save up money for it anyway

L1855[18:26:15] <Inari> so not like im in a hyurry

L1856[18:26:47] <Shuudoushi> S3: one term for you: De Oppresso Liber

L1857[18:27:14] <Shuudoushi> anywho, afk

L1858[18:27:38] <S3> lol

L1859[18:28:27] <S3> so I'm not advertising, but anyone is free to play on my new PC-Logix server, because I am lonely as shit

L1860[18:28:27] <S3> lol

L1861[18:28:32] <vifino> S3: I am gonna make an IRC bot that allows you to use a PDP-11 UNIX v7 system.

L1862[18:28:38] <vifino> Halleluja.

L1863[18:28:45] <S3> vifino: oh?

L1864[18:28:48] <vifino> Yes.

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L1866[18:29:36] <S3> vifino: is that similar to the way I abused Acme::6502 perl module and added an MMU and IRC so that you can give it 6502 machine code to run?

L1867[18:29:53] <vifino> wot.

L1868[18:30:02] <vifino> Uh, yeah, I guess

L1869[18:30:06] <S3> heh

L1870[18:30:13] <S3> yeah I used Tie::Array

L1871[18:30:30] <S3> every write to $cpu->{mem} gets callbacked first

L1872[18:30:41] <S3> and I can intercept and check for ranges of MMIO in the MMU module

L1873[18:30:44] <vifino> Time to learn to use ED.

L1874[18:30:57] <S3> and then do relative address writes / reads to a plugin "device" such as IRC

L1875[18:31:03] <S3> .....

L1876[18:31:05] <S3> ed is evil

L1877[18:31:09] <S3> ed is a line editor

L1878[18:31:20] <vifino> I am fully aware.

L1879[18:31:27] <S3> my TRS-80 has a line editor, they are NOT fun

L1880[18:31:31] <vifino> But that is all I have in the file system.

L1881[18:31:35] <S3> lol

L1882[18:32:02] <S3> I guess it's better than that time I had to fix fstab blindedly on FreeBSD with cat because it couldn't boot

L1883[18:32:09] <S3> so I used a heredoc to fix it

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L1885[18:33:04] <vifino> IT HAS SED

L1886[18:33:05] <vifino> YAY

L1887[18:33:21] <S3> lol!

L1888[18:34:37] <S3> I like how IRC Cloud says I got disconnected but I connect it through ZNC

L1889[18:34:44] <S3> so that I get nice buffers when I leave for 5 minutes

L1890[18:34:54] <S3> but if I leave for hours then I get znc's long term buffers

L1891[18:35:09] <S3> because with znc if I lose my connection to wifi or some shit it loses the buffer

L1892[18:35:28] <S3> because.. I like it wiped

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L1894[18:41:06] <vifino> Huh. ed isn't that hard.

L1895[18:41:35] <vifino> I successfully compiled a small tiny hello world on UNIX v7.

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L1897[18:43:57] <vifino> S3: http://pb.i0i0.me/p/raw/TvecEwjd

L1898[18:44:17] <S3> heh

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L1900[18:45:00] <vifino> I should rewrite apout sometime.

L1901[18:45:12] <vifino> Like, it works after I fixed it, but still.

L1902[18:45:40] <S3> vifino: if you ever get into fpgas, look into Lucid.

L1903[18:45:50] <S3> It's a new, C like programming language HDL

L1904[18:46:12] <vifino> I can't afford one.

L1905[18:46:19] <vifino> None that I like, anyhow.

L1906[18:46:31] <S3> I'm really liking this $70 Spartan 6 Mojo

L1907[18:46:32] <CompanionCube> couldn't you simulate one good enough

L1908[18:46:55] <S3> CompanionCube: I've been thinking of writing one in Lua

L1909[18:46:57] <S3> for OC

L1910[18:47:07] <S3> it would be extremely simple

L1911[18:47:08] <CompanionCube> ...writing an FPGA simulator in Lua? For OC?

L1912[18:47:13] <S3> the hardest part would be a compiler.

L1913[18:47:19] <S3> yeah why not?

L1914[18:47:31] <S3> FPGAs are amongst the simplest circuits you can make

L1915[18:47:34] <CompanionCube> that seems...difficult is being optimistic.

L1916[18:47:41] <vifino> S3: I want one which works with OpenCL.

L1917[18:47:49] <gamax92> I want a brownie

L1918[18:47:50] <vifino> Cause that is socooool.

L1919[18:47:51] <S3> vifino: ah does the spartan 6 do opencl?

L1920[18:47:55] <vifino> No idea.

L1921[18:48:00] <S3> CompanionCube: how do you think an fpga works?

L1922[18:48:07] <vifino> But the newer altera ones do.

L1923[18:48:19] <vifino> I don't have a browser open, sorry.

L1924[18:48:27] <CompanionCube> but, would you be able to run compiled Verilog/VHDL stuffs on your fpga

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L1926[18:48:35] <CompanionCube> that is, your lua fpga

L1927[18:49:16] <S3> CompanionCube: the thing is.. compiled verilog is very .. hmm

L1928[18:49:25] <S3> it's not really machine code

L1929[18:49:33] <S3> that's not quite how it works

L1930[18:50:21] <S3> Don't get me wrong, when you compile something to machine code, you are essentially compiling something into what your RAM will look like that holds that code

L1931[18:50:22] <S3> but

L1932[18:50:29] <S3> (at least in my example here)

L1933[18:50:45] <S3> with fpga code, you're literally compiling what the RAM bits will be

L1934[18:50:52] <S3> everywhere

L1935[18:51:15] <S3> an FPGA is usually made with LUTs

L1936[18:51:24] <S3> all an LUT is, is RAM

L1937[18:51:32] <S3> CompanionCube: this is why FPGAs are slower

L1938[18:52:13] <S3> CompanionCube: when you define a NAND gate, it doesn't "take a gate" from the FPGA. you should never EVER care about the gate count when buying an FPGA. It's inaccurate to an infinite scale.

L1939[18:52:57] <gamax92> S3: it's also hardware that's designed to use those LUT's efficiently rather than something trying to simulate efficient hardware with generic tools

L1940[18:53:08] <S3> if you define a nand gate that doesn't optimize down, you can consider the following, you have four addresses where that gate lives:

L1941[18:53:23] <S3> gamax92: yeah but believe it or not the control circuits and MUXs and flip flops are also- ram

L1942[18:53:27] <S3> which is like, LOL

L1943[18:53:36] <S3> there is obviously some control circuitry

L1944[18:53:50] <S3> but this is all the main reason why you can find FPGAs that are built on existing cpu cores such as PowerPC

L1945[18:54:02] <S3> (one of my FPGAs is in fact a PowerPC)

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L1947[18:54:12] <S3> It's a xilinx.. hmm

L1948[18:54:28] <S3> virtex 2

L1949[18:55:41] <S3> CompanionCube: but that gate, imagine the following RAM addresses and their data values they hold for a NAND gate: 0b00 => 1, 0b01 => 1, 0b10 => 1, 0b11 => 0

L1950[18:57:21] <S3> so those two bits of addressing represent four combinations of two inputs, A and B with one output Q. However, though this is a NAND gate, you can't prove that (imagine you never optimized your circuit but the HDL compiler did for you) there could be thousands of gates on your paper that represent this NAND gate

L1951[18:57:26] <S3> in between

L1952[18:57:53] <S3> making FPGAs ideal for combinational circuits

L1953[18:58:44] <S3> gamax92: yeah there's also the CLBs and the switch matrix, but those are all RAM.

L1954[18:59:12] <S3> which define how the LUTs all hook together

L1955[19:00:49] <S3> Oh, by the way, is anyone here really good at memory efficient lookup algorithms

L1956[19:01:24] <S3> I'm looking for a way to represent morse code in an array that isn't a binary tree. It's easy to fit in a binary tree but it would be neat to compact it.

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L1960[19:40:59] <CompanionCube> so, trying out OneStepBack.

L1961[19:41:19] <CompanionCube> So far with GTK2, it's dull but very functional.

L1962[19:42:09] <CompanionCube> Izaya, ^

L1963[19:42:54] <CompanionCube> and it's slightly enhancing the sharpness of my font.

L1964[19:55:45] <Shuudoushi> http://imgur.com/gallery/DzMg1bk

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L1968[20:27:56] <Mimiru> fucking shit

L1969[20:28:08] <Mimiru> I lost a 80+ GB backup of my old shared hosting account

L1970[20:33:29] <Shuudoushi> uh oh...

L1971[20:33:56] <Mimiru> databases, multiple users and sites

L1972[20:35:18] <S3> back

L1973[20:38:12] <S3> that game is hella hard CompanionCube

L1974[20:38:50] <CompanionCube> What game

L1975[20:39:39] <Shuudoushi> http://i.imgur.com/VM3rh65.jpg

L1976[20:40:54] <CompanionCube> S3: what game

L1977[20:40:59] <S3> one step back

L1978[20:41:06] <CompanionCube> ah

L1979[20:41:19] <CompanionCube> It's a GTK theme for me

L1980[20:41:26] <S3> ah

L1981[20:41:37] <S3> one step back is some stick man like ninja game

L1982[20:41:46] <S3> where you run to the door

L1983[20:42:11] <CompanionCube> emulating NeXTStep. It feels dull but functional. The scrollbars are maybe interesting too.

L1984[20:42:15] <S3> I forget what I have for a gtk theme..

L1985[20:42:25] <S3> ah

L1986[20:42:30] <S3> CompanionCube: I am using Dyne for a GTK theme

L1987[20:42:33] <S3> it's GTK2, take a look

L1988[20:42:40] <S3> it's very simple and sharp

L1989[20:42:44] <S3> and not too colorful

L1990[20:42:46] <CompanionCube> eh

L1991[20:42:52] <S3> looks super nice

L1992[20:43:10] <S3> http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/61936-1.jpg

L1993[20:43:23] <CompanionCube> I used to use e-gtk-theme

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L1995[20:43:59] <CompanionCube> it covered both GTK2 and GTK3....until GTK3.20 broke the GTK3 part badly.

L1996[20:45:16] <CompanionCube> OneStepBack isn't the prettist theme and does not fit in as good with my DE theme, but it works and doesn't look shitty.

L1997[20:46:30] <CompanionCube> S3: does BSD have much GTJ3

L1998[20:46:38] <CompanionCube> *GTK3 stuff

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L2000[20:47:16] <S3> apparently gtk3 is available as a port for FreeBSD so there you have it

L2001[20:47:26] <S3> I think I've heard of people using Gnome 3 on FreeBSD

L2002[20:47:47] <CompanionCube> must be quite difficult

L2003[20:48:06] <S3> and various gtk3 engines are in ports

L2004[20:48:08] <S3> why is that CompanionCube ?

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L2006[20:48:10] <CompanionCube> Either port systemd to freebsd or use something exposing the same interfaces

L2007[20:48:22] <S3> systemd is not a dependancy of gtk3 or gnome3

L2008[20:48:30] <S3> it is not required at all

L2009[20:48:49] <S3> gnome chose not to force dependency of systemd

L2010[20:48:53] <S3> it's optional.

L2011[20:51:16] <S3> CompanionCube: it's kind of like "it uses it if it's there, and/ or it is a compile time option" sort of things..

L2012[20:51:39] <CompanionCube> S3: but isn't it the only option for multiple things

L2013[20:52:36] <S3> Well you know, out of the vast majority of software available for Slackware, even into the world of slackbuilds too, we haven't had a single problem with the lack of systemd yet

L2014[20:52:57] <S3> I don't think a lot of software will lock down on systemd, because enough distributions refuse to implement it.

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L2016[20:53:22] <S3> And systemd is not portable

L2017[20:53:40] <S3> Writing software that requires systemd will prevent it from running on multiple operating systems.

L2018[20:54:21] <Codac> Sorry if I'm interrupting some sort of conversation, but I've got a question with plan9k. Is that broken? The install floppy doesn't appear to be working.

L2019[20:54:39] <S3> what version of OC?

L2020[20:54:46] <S3> exactly

L2021[20:54:50] <Codac> 1.5.22.46

L2022[20:55:45] <CompanionCube> S3: I have my doubts about that. Recently I've grown more of a distate for the GNOME/GTK projects due to compatbility

L2023[20:55:49] <S3> hmm. not sure if that's the same as MC1.7.10-1.6.0.882

L2024[20:56:06] <Codac> Currently running MC1.7.10 so I think so.

L2025[20:56:12] <S3> CompanionCube: the thing is, many distributions that handle software don't handle dependancies correctly.

L2026[20:56:29] <S3> CompanionCube: today i discovered people with ubuntu machines install terminus when they install fluxbox.

L2027[20:56:47] <CompanionCube> The debian family have really weird dependency trees.

L2028[20:57:15] <S3> I was so mad at the people who set that up that I stormed into #ubuntu and said "Excuse me. Terminus is a great font, but is not a dependancy of fluxbox nor any of its dependants. don't be a fucking idiot thank you.,"

L2029[20:57:24] <S3> then I left

L2030[20:57:25] <S3> eh

L2031[20:57:28] <S3> heh*

L2032[20:57:36] <Codac> Well then.

L2033[20:58:29] <CompanionCube> Codac: if you can't get it working

L2034[20:59:16] <CompanionCube> you can perbaps file an issue or wait until people who know more about that functionality are around

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L2036[20:59:52] <Codac> Doesn't matter too much to me. I'm just messing around with OpenComputers for the first time in a while.

L2037[21:00:09] <Codac> Not too experienced with it so it could be a me problem.

L2038[21:00:37] <CompanionCube> What do you think of it so far compared to say, CC.

L2039[21:00:59] <Codac> CC seems a bit easier than OpenComputer, but that doesn't necessarily make it better I would say.

L2040[21:01:07] <CompanionCube> Tb

L2041[21:01:46] <CompanionCube> The difficulty increase is noticable - Components and RAM limits mostly

L2042[21:01:47] <S3> CompanionCube: OC is a little more realistic

L2043[21:02:04] <S3> also OC computers are modular

L2044[21:02:12] <CompanionCube> but you get way more flexibility in terms of what you can do which is nice

L2045[21:02:32] <S3> Codac: oh yeah and finally, OC is open source.

L2046[21:02:40] <Codac> Yeah, from what I remember of CC there's not too much customization with it.

L2047[21:02:40] <S3> and the api is all there for making your own cpus, etc

L2048[21:03:03] <S3> and Lua 5.3 is available

L2049[21:03:16] <Codac> Might have to try and learn then since this seems interesting so far.

L2050[21:03:48] <S3> Codac: OC is also home to the birth of the Ocranet, coming soon! :D

L2051[21:04:07] <CompanionCube> A good example is CC's ROM - it's a substantial amount of Lua code that the user cannot modify or remove

L2052[21:04:49] <CompanionCube> anyway, brb

L2053[21:04:54] <S3> it can be shadowed thoug

L2054[21:04:56] <S3> though*

L2055[21:05:27] <Codac> So CC seems like the simpler path, but OC gives more usability and has more modular items.

L2056[21:07:00] <S3> Codac: OC can also communicate with CC peripherals.

L2057[21:07:18] <S3> I prefer to have both CC and OC in my modpacks

L2058[21:07:29] <S3> CC specifically for my turtle sattelites

L2059[21:07:29] <S3> :D

L2060[21:07:44] <S3> and turtle things

L2061[21:07:52] <S3> OC has drones, but I prefer turtles/

L2062[21:07:56] <Kodos> y u no drone satellite

L2063[21:08:05] <S3> because drones are "ok"

L2064[21:08:12] <Codac> The drones in OC seem a bit too confusing for me, but that's probably because I'm sorta new.

L2065[21:08:39] <Codac> Speaking of that type of stuff, accidently ate nanomachines and don't know what to do.

L2066[21:08:46] <Codac> Not dead yet at least

L2067[21:08:47] <Codac> soooooooo

L2068[21:09:37] <Codac> Huh. Looked at the code of what was giving me an error in plan9k. Some sort of arithmetic error.

L2069[21:09:44] <Codac> hnd = hnd * 2

L2070[21:09:50] <Codac> Probably just me being stupid, but that doesn't look right to me.

L2071[21:11:33] <S3> that just doubles the value in hnd

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L2073[21:15:14] <Codac> There was some sort of arithmetic error so I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be like that or something.

L2074[21:31:17] <Mimiru> it sounds like you have a version of OC after a breaking change to... fuck I can't remember what but it involved something with filesystems, but before the fix was applied to plan9k

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L2077[21:38:56] <Mimiru> I guess I need to port OpenPrinter to 1.8 so I can have some bit of work towards 1.9

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L2079[21:40:41] <S3> Law of conservation of creation: What is created must be destroyed.

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L2083[21:58:52] <Shuudoushi> http://imgur.com/a/LDxRg

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L2085[22:08:24] <S3> hmm

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L2094[23:06:03] <Temia> jeez, arch-security is just off the hook today.

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